[CAPTIONS PROVIDED BY WISCONSINPUBLIC TELEVISION] >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO "WEEKEND". >> A SPECIAL 90-MINUTE EDITION OF "WEEKEND" AS WE TAKE AN ELECTION EVE LOOK AT WISCONSIN'S CANDIDATES AND ISSUES. >> IN A MOMENT SOME FINAL CAMPAIGN THOUGHTS FROM RUSS FEINGOLD AND MARK NEUMANN. >> WE'LL HAVE THE LAST WORD FROM THE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR , TOMMY THOMPSON AND ED GARVEY. >> AND THEN WITHOUT STOPPING TO CATCH OUR BREATH WE'LL JUMP INTO A FINAL APPEARANCE OF PAUL RYAN AND LYDIA SPOTTSWOOD.>> AND SECOND DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES TAMMY BALDWIN AND J O PLUSER ARE ALSO HERE. THEY WILL APPEAR TOGETHER LATER. >> AND THEN LATER ON , ART HACKETT SPENT THE LAST WEEK OF THE ELECTION TOURING THE STATE IN SEARCH OF WHAT THE VOTERS' POSITIONS ARE. WE'LL HEAR THAT. >> STAY WITH US FOR TONIGHT'S SPECIAL ELECTION EDITION OF "WEEKEND." >> IT'S "WEEKEND" FOR OCTOBER 30TH. ALSO TONIGHT , "WEEKEND'S" POLITICAL PANELIST , KRAUS , DIXON AND KING, PUT FINAL SPIN ON THE '98 CAMPAIGN. COVERAGE OF POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS ON "WEEKEND" IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE DEMOCRACY PROJECT AND THECORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING. PRODUCTION OF "WEEKEND" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY LASERTECH OF MADISON , PROVIDING LASER , PRINTDING AND MAILING SERVICES TO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS , HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS, UTILITY AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES. >> WISCONSIN'S U.S. SENATE RACE IS BEING WATCHED A S CLOSELY NATIONALLY AS WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE STATE. >> PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE RACE IS SO TIGHT , CAUSING A FLOOD OF BOTH SPECIAL INTEREST PLOIN AND NETWORK NEWS CREWS. THE OTHER REASON IS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES' POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES.>> WE ASKED THE SENATE CANDIDATES TO JOIN US IN THE STUDIO. DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION AND WE'LL TALK WITH HIM IN A MOMENT. BUT REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER CONGRESSMAN MARK NEUMANN DECLINED.>> SO, IN HIS ABSENCE W E CLIMBED INTO OUR TAPE ARCHIVES AND PREPARED A COUPLE O F CLIPS OF MR. NEUMANN SPEAKING ON THE ISSUES. HERE HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT A VARIETY OF SUBJECTS AS RECORDED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN. >> THERE'S FOUR DISTINCT THINGS THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE. FIRST THE 1993 TAX CHOICE. RUSS SUPPORTED AND I OPPOSED. SECOND IS THE RECENTLY PASSED TAX CUT PACKAGE WHICH RUSS WAS ONLY ONE OF EIGHT SENATORS TO OPPOSE AND I OF COURSE WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF. 550,000 FAMILIES WILL KEEP MORE IN THEIR HOME BECAUSE OF THIS PACKAGE. BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT FAILED THREE TIMES BY A SINGLE VOTE IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES AND RUSS IS OPPOSED TO THAT. I SUPPORT IT. AND OF COURSE THE PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION ISSUE IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING WISCONSIN VOTERS TODAY. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE I N CONTROL OF THE LOCAL EDUCATION. WE HAVE GREAT TEACHERS HERE IN WISCONSIN.WE HAVE GREAT SCHOOL BOARDS IN WISCONSIN AND GREAT PARENTS HERE IN WISCONSIN. IT SEEMS TO ME MY ROLE AS AN ELECTED FEDERAL OFFICIAL IS GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUT OFTHE WAY AND LET THE PARENTS, THE TEACHERS, AND THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES ONCE AGAIN BE I N CONTROL OF EDUCATION. LAST YEAR WE PASSED A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP PLAN THAT PROVIDES A TAX REFUND TO MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES TO HELP PAY COLLECTION TUITION.MARK NEUMANN BELIEVES WE CURTAIL THE GROWTH OF WASHINGTON SPENDING.WHEN YOU CURTAIL THE GROWTH OF WASHINGTON SPENDING YOU CAN HAVE BOTH A BALANCED BUDGET AND LOWER TAXES.THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US. MORE TAXES AND MORE WASHINGTON OR LOWER TAXES AND LESS WASHINGTON.THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US. WE LOWERED SPENDING , WE ELIMINATED WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND THEN WE LOWERED THE TAX BURDEN ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. TODAY WE PUT I.O.U.'S IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM. WE COLLECT MORE OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECKS THAN WHAT WE PAY OUT TO SENIORS. WHEN WE GIVE THE MONEY TO WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON SPENDS IT ON PROGRAMS AND THEY PUT A NON-NEGOTIABLE TREASURY BOND INTO THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND. THAT'S GOT TO STOP OR SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE BANKRUPT. >> REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR U.S. SENATE MARK NEUMANN. WE RECORDED HIS COMMENTS AT VARIOUS EVENTS DURING THE CAMPAIGN. >> INCUMBENT SENATOR RUSS FEINGOLD IS HERE LIVE IN THE STUDIO. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM AND HE JOINS US NOW. WELCOME.>> ALWAYS GOOD TO BE ON THIS SHOW.I KNOW THE CAMPAIGN IS ALMOST OVER. >> THAT'S RIGHT.IT DOES IN FACT SIGNAL THAT. IN 1992 , SENATOR , YOU TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO DEFINE THE CAMPAIGN.IT SEEMS THIS TIME THE CHALLENGER HAS DONE A BIT OF THE SAME, FOCUSING ON EMOTIONAL ISSUES LIKE THE FLAG , AND PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION. HOW COME THE DIFFERENCE? >> HE TRIED AND HE TRIED BUT H E FAILED.THE ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN , BOTH IN THIS STATE AND NATIONALLY, IS WHETHER OUT OF STATE MONEY IS GOING TO BUY THE SENATE SEAT THAT WISCONSIN HAS. AND THAT OF COURSE HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE I'VE DONE SOMETHING THAT NO U.S. SENATOR HAS DONE. I VOLUNTARILY LIMITED HOW MUCH I WOULD SPEND TO GET RE-ELECTED. I ALSO MADE SURE THAT SOFT MONEY ISSUE ADS FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULDN'T COME IN. AND I TOLD THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY THAT THIS IS A GREAT HONOR , BUT TO GET THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DISHONORABLE ENTERPRISE. THAT IS REALLY THE ISSUE IN THE RACE AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE AGREE.>> ARE YOU CONSCIENTIOUS SHUSLY IN A SENSE THEN SETTING THIS UP AS THE SORT OF TEMPLATE AND INDICATOR OF WHERE CAMPAIGNS INTHIS COUNTRY ARE? >> I AM. DAVE , MY FATHER BROUGHT ME UP TO BELIEVE THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL , WHATEVER HAPPENS TO YOU , WHATEVER CAREER YOU ARE IN , WHEREVER YOU GO IS THAT YOU KEEP YOUR INTEGRITY. I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROCESS IS NOW A SYSTEM OF LEGALIZED BRIBERY WHERE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN ARE BEING FORCED TO RAISE MONEY I N AMOUNTS AND IN MANNERS THAT IS CORRUPT. I DON'T WANT T O SAY IT TOO EMOTIONALLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE AN EXAGGERATER. BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS REACHED THE POINT IF I HAD GONE AND RAISED THAT KIND OF SOFT MONEY I HONESTLY COULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT I'M LIVING UP TO THE TRADITION THAT MY FATHER BROUGHT ME UP TO BELIEVE IN IN THIS STATE. >> SOME PEOPLE CALLED THIS POLITICAL SUICIDE. >> WELL, WE'RE GOING T O WIN . SO -- >> TWO MONTHS AGO YOU WERE 15 POINTS AHEAD IN THE POLLS. AND NOW IT'S A DEA D HEAT. >> YEAH. THIS IS ALL WHAT I EXPECTED T O HAPPEN. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT ALL THE POLLS WHEN THEY CAME OUT , EVERY TIME WE PUT OUT A STATEMENT THAT SAID PLEASE, THIS IS GOING T O BE CLOSE BECAUSE I'M LIMITING MY SPENDING AND I WANT TO MAKE A POINT. I DON'T WANT TO JUST WIN AN ELECTION TO STAY IN POWER. I WANT TO MAKE A POINT. THAT IS THIS ISN'T WORTH DOING IF YOU HAVE TO CO-OP YOURSELF. YES, IT'S CLOSE T.REASON IT IS CLOSE IS THE RIGHT REASON AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO WIN. BECAUSE PEOPLE, NOT MONEY , IS GOING TO DETERMINE WHO THE NEX T SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN IS. >> MR. NEUMANN COMMENTED ON A COUPLE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN FOREMOST IN THE CAMPAIGN. LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE. ONE OF THEM BEING THE BUDGET SURPLUS, WHAT TO DO WITH I T , AND SOCIAL SECURITY. MR. NEUMANN ISN'T HERE, BUT DEFINE FOR US HOW YOU DIFFER FROM HIM. >> WELL VERY SHARPLY. I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST DOLLAR HAS TO GO TO SOCIAL SECURITY. THE CONGRESSMAN LAST YEAR H AD A CHANCE TO VOTE AGAINST THE 1997 TAX BILL.OF COURSE HE CRITICIZES ME FOR VOTING AGAINST IT.IF WE HAD NOT DONE THAT $135 BILLION WHICH REALLY CAME OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY, I'M TOLD WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET BY THE YEAR 2002. NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE YEAR 2006 OR LONGER. YOU CAN'T SPEND A DOLLAR MORE THAN ONCE.YOU CAN'T SPEND IT ON DEFENSE AND TAX CUTS AND SAY YOU ARE FOR SOCIAL SECURITY. I PUT SOCIAL SECURITY FIRST. HE PUTS IT SECOND OR THIRD AT BEST. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. >> BOTH OF YOU HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING AS YOUR TOP PRIORITIES. WHAT ARE THE TOP THREE ITEMS YOU WOULD ELIMINATE FROM THE FEDERAL BUDGET?>> WELL, I WOULD GET RID O F THE B-2 BOMBER. THIS THING ISN'T EVEN WANTED BY THE PENTAGON. APPARENTLY DOESN'T WORK RIGHT. WHEN IT GETS WET , THE CONGRESSMAN IS THE ONLY MEMBER THAT IS FOR IT. IT'S A $ 2 BILLION ITEM. I THINK THERE IS A PLANE THAT THE NAVY WANT , THE F-18 E AND F THAT IS $17 BILLION MORE. THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE SAYS IT'S NOT NEEDED. I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY POLITICAL APPOINTEES. IT HAS GROWN AND CREATED SOME OF THE BUREAUCRACY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE.THOSE ARE EXAMPLES.I HAVE SCORES. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THOSE ARE THREE.>> ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE REPUBLICANS FREQUENTLY POINT TO IS THE FEDERAL ROLE IN EDUCATION. MANY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES INCLUDING MR. NEUMANN A S W E HEARD HAVE SAID THAT FEDERAL MONEY OUGHT TO BE SENT BACK TO DISTRICTS.IN EFFECT THE OLD LOCAL BLOCK GRANT APPROACH. WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO TAKING THAT APPROACH TO THE FEDERAL ROLE OF EDUCATION? >> I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE STATE AND LOCAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE GOALS LIKE SMALLER CLASS SIZES. I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO SIMPLY LEAVE IT UP TO THE LOCAL PROPERTY TAX TO FUND THE GOAL OF SMALLER CLASS SIZES O R EVEN LEAVE IT UP TO THE STATES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALLOW GRANTS TO STATES SUCH AS WISCONSIN TO TAKE THE LEAD WITH THE SAGE PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THE FUNDING YOU NEED IF YOU PUT IT ON THE OVERBURDENED TAXPAYER. A BALANCE. NO MANDATES FROM WASHINGTON. BUT A BALANCE OF FUNDING BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AS A TEAM , AS A PARTNERSHIP TO ME IS THE WISEST AND MOST MODERATE COURSE. >> ON THE TOPIC OF UNFUNDED MANDATES, I SPOKE T O THE FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT HAS COME DOWN FROM THE E.P.A. REGARDING FEDERAL AIR EMISSION STANDARDS WHICH HAVE JUST BEEN HANDED DOWN BY THE E.P.A. WHAT IS YOUR POSITION , HOW STRONGLY SHOULD THE STATE OF WISCONSIN WORK TO IMPLEMENT THESE FEDERAL CLEAN AIR STANDARDS IN SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN MONEY TO DO SO? >> I HAVE, I'M TOLD, THE BEST ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD IN THE SENATE. NONETHELESS, IT'S NOT FAIR THOSE STANDARDS DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT O F THE AIR POLLUTION WE HAVE IN WISCONSIN ISN'T FROM WISCONSIN SOURCES. IT ISN'T EVEN FROM GARY , INDIANA. IT'S FROM AS FAR AWAY AS OHIO AND KENTUCKY. I BELIEVE BEFORE THOSE ARE FAIR WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RECOGNITION OF THE FACT WE DON'T DO IT. I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT I NEED TO FIGHT TO DEAL WITH AS A SENATOR FROM WISCONSIN EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY AIR QUALITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. >> SENATOR, A S WE WRAP U P THIS LAST INTERVIEW AS THE CAMPAIGN AS YOU SUGGESTED , RETURN THEN TO THE ISSUE THAT CLEARLY MATTERS MOST TO YOU , HAS IN YOUR FIRST TERM AND IS NOW IN THESE FINAL HOURS OF THE CAMPAIGN. BECAUSE AS PATTY SUGGESTED , IT MAY BE THA T WISCONSIN MIGHT WANT SOMETHING OTHER THAN SOMEONE WHO IS THE WHITE KNIGHT ON THIS ISSUE. MAKE THE CASE , AGAIN , IF YOU WOULD, WHY THAT MATTERS SO MUCH MORE THAN ANY NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE MAY LOOK FOR IN A SENATOR. >> I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT MY TOP PRIORITY I S CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM.I SAID DEFICIT REDUCTION IS. HOWEVER, I DISCOVERED IN WASHINGTON THAT WITHOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM , WITHOUT STOPPING THE INFLUENCE OF BIG PLOIN THAT WE HAVE WASTEFUL SPENDING , THAT WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE SAFE WATER STANDARD S. THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS. IT UNDERLIES EVERYTHING. THE ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT, THE ISSUES THAT WISCONSIN FAMILIES CARE ABOUT ARE NOT ATTENDED TO BECAUSE THE ATTENTION OF WASHINGTON PEOPLE AND POLITICIANS IS ON RAISING MONEY, NOT THE ISSUES THAT WE CARE ABOUT.THAT'S THE ISSUE. >> SO YOU WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT UNLESS THAT ISSUE IS DEALT WITH , NOTHING ELSE WILL BE? >> NOT NOTHING , BUT TERRIBLY LITTLE. BECAUSE OF BIG MONEY WE DIDN'T DEAL WITH TOBACCO. WE DIDN'T DO A PATIENTS BILL O F RIGHTS. BECAUSE OF BIG MONEY WE DIDN'T DO THE ADEQUATE HEALTH REFORM. IT I S STIFLING THE AGENDA IN WASHINGTON.>> SENATOR, THANK YOU. WE JUST WANT T O MENTION AGAIN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY HAVE JOINED US LATE , WE DID INVITE CONGRESSMAN NEUMANN TO JOIN US FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT HE DECLINED.WE THANK YOU , SENATOR FEINGOLD, FOR JOINING US. >> IT WAS A PLEASURE. >> TRYING TO GET IN THE MOOD TO VOTE NEXT TUESDAY? WE HAVE TWO TICKETS TO THE WISCONSIN-MINNESOTA FOOTBALLGAME TO HELP MOTIVATE YOU. THE TICKETS WERE DONATED BY A FRIEND O F WHA. HOW CAN YOU GET THEM? IT'S EASY. GUESS HOW MANY WISCONSIN VOTERS YOU THINK WILL CAST BALLOTS NEXT TUESDAY.AND THE PERSON WITH THE CLOSEST GUESS WITHOUT GOING OVER WINS THE TICKETS. NO IDEA? HERE'S A REFERENCE POINT. IN 1994 , ALSO A YEAR WE ELECTED A GOVERNOR AND U.S. SENATOR , OVER ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND VOTED. IT MUST BE POSTMARKED BY MONDAY , NOVEMBER TWOXT WE'LL GIVE YOU THESE ADDRESSES AGAIN LATER IN THE BROADCAST. COMING UP NEXT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE INCLUDING A VISIT WITH DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER ED GARVEY WHO JOINS US LIVE FOR A FINAL STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN PITCH. THAT'S NEXT ON "WEEKEND." >> RETURN NOW TO THE FINAL HOURS IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR. WE ASKED THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR TO JOIN US THIS EVENING. DEMOCRAT ED GARVEY ACCEPTED. HE'S HERE. WE'LL HEAR FROM HIM . REPUBLICAN TOMMY THOMPSON DECLINED.>> BEFORE WE TALK WITH MR. GARVEY HERE ARE CLIPS REPORTED OF GOVERNOR TOMMY THOMPSON SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE ISSUES. >> YOU KNOW , I LOVE THIS STATE. AND I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET WISCONSIN READY FOR THE 21st CENTURY. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS LEFT TO BE DONE THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND I'M JUST ON THE CUTTING EDGE.AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OVER THAT EDGE AND GET IT IMPLEMENTED.>> I WANT TO CUT TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY MAN , WOMAN AND CHILD. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXEMPT ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAKE LESS THAN $18,000 THAT DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES AT ALL. WE WANT T O PUT INDEXING IN. IF YOU MAKE MORE MONEY YOU DON'T JUST GO IN A HIGHER BRACKET. WE WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE MARRIAGE PENALTY. IF YOU ARE A MARRIED COUPLE , YOU PAY THE SAME AS A SINGLE PERSON. WASHINGTON TALKS ABOUT IT. WE ELIMINATE IT IN WISCONSIN. THEN WE'RE GOING TO CUT ALL THE INCOME TAXES. OVER $1 BILLION BY 10%. 95% -- 90% OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE LESS THAN $95,000. WE'RE ALSO INVESTING $100 MILLION IN THE CENTRAL CITY , IN MILWAUKEE. $100 MILLION FOR NEW HOUSES. TO REBUILD THE CENTRAL CITY. WE PUT IN A BROWN FIELDS INITIATIVE TO BE ABLE TO RECYCLE LAND THAT IS JUST VACANT AND BARE AND GET COMPANIES T O COME BACK INTO THE CENTRAL CITY. I PUT THE CENTRAL CITY INITIATIVE, PUT IN STATE GOVERNMENT BACK INTO THE CENTRAL CITY, TO GIVE MINORITY !IES A NEW VOICE AND A BETTER VOICE. WE'RETAKING INDIVIDUALS BY THE HAND , TAKING THEM I N TO WORK , SHOWING THEM HOW TO WORK , GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES , TRAINING THEM THROUGH EDUCATION , THROUGH OTHER KIND O F JOB TRAINING. AND WE GOT ALL 10,500 INDIVIDUALS PLACED RIGHT NOW. AND IN ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES. SO WE'RE DOING INDIVIDUALIZED COUNSELING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE THOSE 10,500 OFF. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF POVERTY WITHOUT WORKING. >> GOVERNOR TOMMY THOMPSON'S COMMENTS WERE RECORDED A T SEVERAL EVENTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN. >> AND NOW , DEMOCRAT ED GARVEY WHO ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION AND JOINS US NOW LIVE IN THE STUDIO. MR. GARVEY, HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. >> NICE TO BE HERE. >> YOU REACTED QUITE STRONGLY AS THOSE COMMENTS WERE BEING AIRED , ESPECIALLY THE COMMENTS -- THE GOVERNOR'S COMMENTS ABOUT CENTRAL CITIES. >> WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I REACT THAT WAY IS THAT WE HAVE TRIED FOR 14 MONTHS TO ENGAGE THE GOVERNOR I N DEBATE. HE WON'T COM E HERE , HE WON'T -- WOULD NOT EVEN RESPOND TO THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS' REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.I WAS AT A FORUM LAST NIGHT HE WAS -- HE WOULDN'T SHOW UP THERE. HE HAS NOW TURNED TO USING THE MOST SCURRILOUS ACTIVITY , OR POSITIONS.HE SAID HIS -- HE HAS ONE SHOWING SOMEONE BEING MUGGED AND SAYING THAT ED GARVEY ADVANCES THIS SORT OF THING. SOMEHOW OR OTHER WHAT HAPPENED TO POLITICS IN THIS STATE IS DAMAGING NOT ONLY TO THE CANDIDATES, BUT TO THOSE WHO THINK ABOUT RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF , IF THE GOVERNOR IS AHEAD IN THE POLLS , WHY WOULD HE TURN TO THIS SORT OF ATTACK AND TO SEND THINGS OUT TO THE HOMES OF PEOPLE IN THE STATE OR FALSE TELEVISION ADS? >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. THE ECONOMY IS STRONG , UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW , INTEREST RATES ARE LOW. WHY SHOULD PEOPLE VOTE FROM THE STATUS QUO? >> FOR ONE THING IT'S GOOD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT IF YOU ARE A DAIRY FARM E WE LOST 22,000 FARMS SINCE TOMMY THOMPSON BECAME GOVERNOR. WE HAVE THE LOWEST WAGES IN THE GREAT LAKES AREA. WE DROPPED 4.5% IN OUR WAGES. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE A LOW WAGE STATE WITH HIGH TAXES BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN GIVING TAX BREAKS TO THE BIG CONTRIBUTORS. YOU HEARD WHAT RUSS FEINGOLD WAS SAYING HOW MONEY INFLUENCES THE SYSTEM. GOVERNOR THOMPSON HAS TAKEN I T TO NEW HEIGHTS. HE WILL PROBABLY END UP SPENDING ABOUT $9 MILLION IN THIS CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR. AND MOST OF IT ON ADS , ON TELEVISION, THAT REALLY DO NOT TRY TO CLARIFY ISSUES BUT TO ATTACK ME AND THOSE WHO I REPRESENT. >> CONNECT THE DOTS , THOUGH, ON THAT IF YOU WOULD. YOU MADE THAT CHARGE OFTEN , THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS IN THIS CAMPAIGN , AND THE WAY IN WHICH H E COLLECTS IT, HAVE A SPECIFIC INFLUENCE O N PUBLIC POLICY. GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU WOULD HOW A CONTRIBUTION HAS CHANGED POLICY AT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. >> FOR ONE IT WAS IN THE PAPER YESTERDAY, THREE LAW FIRMS CONTRIBUTED THOUSANDS TO THE GOVERNOR. HE, WITHOUT ASKING ATTORNEYS FOR ANY BIDS OR HAVING ANYONE REVIEW THE QUALIFICATION OF THE ATTORNEYS, TURNED TO THOSE THREE LAW FIRMS AND NOW HAS OFFERED -- SIGNED A CONTRACT GIVING THEM 20% OF ANY SETTLEMENT WE WOULD GET FROM THE TOBACCO COMPANIES. THAT COULD BE A BILLION IF WE GET THE SAME AMOUNT AS MINNESOTA. IT'S JUST WRONG TO BE GIVING THESE CONTRACTS TO YOUR OWN LAW FIRM. IT'S WRONG TO DO THAT SORT OF THING TO CONTRIBUTORS. WE ASKED THE GOVERNOR , STOP ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS WITH THOSE WHO GIVE MONEY T O YOUR RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE GARVEY-LAWTON ADMINISTRATION WE'LL SAY THIS. IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS OR INDIVIDUAL OR UNION AND YOU DO BUSINESS WITH THE STATE, YOU MAY NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE GOVERNOR OR TO THE LEGISLATURE. >> BUT ON THAT POINT IF I MAY , IS IT NOT ALSO TRUE THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL , A DEMOCRAT , AGREES THAT THOSE LAW FIRMS GHT TO REPRESENT THE STATE ON THAT CASE? >> NOT REALLY. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WANTED TO GET OUTSIDE COUNSEL. THE GOVERNOR REFUSED. ALSO WHILE HE WAS TAKING LOTS O F MONEY FROM PHILIP MORRIS IN HIS CAMPAIGNS, AND ULTIMATELY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID WELL , WE'LL GO ALONG WITH YOUR LAW FIRM IF YOU GIVE US ONE OF THE OTHER LAW FIRMS. BUT IT IS THE GOVERNOR'S SOLE RESPONSIBILITY UNDER OUR STATUTE TO SELECT THE LAW FIRM. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION POLICY, LOOK AT THE MONEY THAT HAS COME I N FROM THE HIGHWAY CONTRACTORS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHY THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY HIGHWAY PROJECTS AND ALMOST NO MONEY SPENT ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND THE GOVERNOR TRIED TO TAKE THE $240 MILLION OUT THAT HAVE SET ASIDE FOR MILWAUKEE. IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT THE DOTS WE COULD BE HERE FOR THE WHOLE 90 MINUTES.>> LET'S TALK ABOUT TAXES.MUCH OF YOUR TAX PLAN RELIES ON A CHANGE IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT VOTERS HAVE ALREADY TURNED DOWN TWICE. REALISTICALLY, CAN YOU TRULY DELIVER THE KIND OF TAX CHANGES THAT YOU PROPOSED? >> I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THE UNIFORMITY CLAUS HAS BEEN CHANGED SIX TIMES. WHEN WE ANNOUNCED THIS PLAN WE SAID YOU PUT THE MONEY IN ESCROW WHILE WE ASK THE PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. HAVE I NO DOUBT WHEN THEY SEE IF YOU CAN REMOVE THE FIRST $100,000 OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF YOUR HOME FROM THE SCHOOL PROPERTY TAX IT WILL PASS BY 80%. IF IT DOESN'T IT WILL INCREASE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, PAY FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE ALL SORTS O F WAYS TO DO IT. BUT IT WOULD STOP GIVING TAX BREAKS TO THE WEALTHY. THAT'S WHAT TOMMY THOMPSON HAS DONE.HE HAS NEVER SEEN A TAX BREAK FOR BIG BUSINESS THAT HE DIDN'T THINK WAS A GOOD IDEA. >> YOU ALSO MADE THE POINT THAT IT IS THAT TAX , THE PROPERTY TAX THAT IS THE FOCUS O F YOUR ATTENTION AND YOUR SCRUTINY AND REFORM EFFORT. WE HEARD THE GOVERNOR IN THE CLIP WE PLAYED TALK ABOUT INCOME TAX REDUCTION. COMPARE THAT, IF YOU WOULD , FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND WHY YOU ARE FOCUSING ON ONE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS. >> OUR S WOULD CUT TAXES FOR WORKING FAMILIES AND SENIOR CITIZENS. THE PROPERTY TAX IS THE CRUELEST OF ALL. THE INCOME TAX HELPS THOSE AT THE TOP OF THE ECONOMIC LADDER. SO , YOU KNOW , SOMEBODY MAKING $5 MILLION WOULD GET A LOT BACK UNDER HIS PLAN. BUT THOSE AVERAGE FAMILIES GET ABOUT $30 OR $40 AS THEY DID WHEN THEY RETURNED THE MONEY THIS PAST YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SERIOUS TAX CUTS FOR THE WORKING FAMILIES. YOU KNOW, WE WORK HARDER IN THIS STATE THAN PEOPLE IN ANY OTHER STATE ACCORDING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN. AND WE'RE AT THE SECOND HIGHEST TAX LEVEL IN THE COUNTRY. UNDER TOMMY THOMPSON. SO, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE FAMILIES. >> ON THE TOPIC OF WORKING FAMILIES, DAYCARE COSTS ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST EXPENSE FOR FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. AT THE SAME TIME DAYCARE PROVIDERS ARE TRADITIONALLY SOME OF THE -- VERY POORLY PAID PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES. DOES THE STATE GOVERNMENT HAVE A ROLE IN PROVIDING RELIEF ON THE ONE HAND AND A LIVING WAGE ON THE OTHER? >> THEY CERTAINLY DO ON THE LIVING WAGE. WE SAID THIS. ANY COMPANY THAT IS DOING BUSINESS WITH THE STATE SHOULD PAY EMPLOYEES A LIVING WAGE. IF THEY DON'T WANT T O D O BUSINESS WITH THE STATE THAT'S UP TO THEM. IF THEY DO , THEY SHOULD PAY AT LEAST $8 AN HOUR. THERE SHOULD BE BREAKS GIVEN TO COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE DAYCARE. IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHO WE ARE. I MEAN , TODAY , BOTH SPOUSES ARE WORKING OR OFTENTIMES YOU HAVE A SINGLE PARENT. THE CHILD IS LEFT INTO A SITUATION WHERE IF IT'S NOT A NURTURING ATMOSPHERE , THAT CHILD WILL NOT ARRIVE AT KINDERGARTEN READY TO LEARN. AND BARBARA LAWTON AND I HAVE BEEN MAKING THIS CLEAR.ONE OF OUR PRIMARY GOALS IS MAKE SURE EVERY CHILD ARRIVES AT SCHOOL WITH THE ABILITY AND THE WILLINGNESS AND THE ENERGY T O LEARN. AND ALSO THAT THEY GO INTO CLASS SIZES THAT WILL ALLOW THE TEACHERS TO TEACH.THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM WITH EDUCATION THAT WE HAVE CONFRONTED AS WELL. >> LAST QUESTION. AND IT REALLY IS A RETURN IN A SENSE TO WHAT PATTY RAISED EARLIER ABOUT PEOPLE SEEMING SATISFACTION WITH THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY IN THIS STATE. AND THE FACT IN THIS ELECTION IT SEEMS IN SOME WAYS IT'S GREETED WITH MORE THAN A ONTHAN WITH ANGER. FINALLY AGAIN, ED GARVEY , MAKE THE CASE FOR CHANGE. >> I THINK IT'S A QUESTION O F CHARACTER.WHEN YOU GET THE GOVERNOR ENTERING INTO CONTRACTS TO THOSE THAT ARE LARGE CONTRIBUTORS, SENDING OUT FALSE ADS TO EVERY HOME ON OUR TAX PLAN AND SUGGESTING THAT I WANT TO RELEASE CRIMINALS INTO OUR SOCIETY, WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO REFUSES TO DEBATE THE ISSUES , REFUSES TO COME ON THIS PROGRAM , REFUSES TO ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS THAT LAFOLLETTE AND NELSON AND TONY EARL AND OTHERS HAVE ALWAYS ENGAGED IN , INSTEAD TURNS TO THE DEMAGOGUERY I THINK CHARACTER IS AN ISSUE. BILL LORJ OPPOSED THE GOVERNOR. JEFF HIGH SLOP RAN AGAINST HIM. HE WOULD NOT DEBATE WITH HIM. THE REPUBLICAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY BROUGHT CHARGES AGAINST HIS BROTHER. A REPUBLICAN. THEY WENT OUT AND DEFEATED HIM. Y I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN EFFORT TO SORT OF INTIMIDATE PEOPLE WHO CHALLENGE THE GOVERNOR.AND THE BAD PART IS IT SAYS TO YOUNG PEOPLE IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO POLITICS, YOU DON'T JUST NEED A THICK SKIN BUT YOU NEED TO GO AFTER THOSE HUGE CONTRIBUTIONS SO YOU CAN RESPOND TO SCURRILOUS ADS. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AGAIN, IF YOU JOINED US MID CONVERSATION, WE DID EXTEND AN INVITATION TO THE GOVERNOR T O JOIN US FOR THIS DISCUSSION. HE DECLINED AND MR. GARVEY , WE'RE HAPPY THAT YOU JOINED US. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT "WEEKEND'S" ELECTION COVERAGE THIS YEAR. LET US KNOW BY CALLING OUR TOLL-FREE NUMBER. UP NEXT ON "WEEKEND," ART HACKETT GOES COAST-TO-COAST IN WISCONSIN TO TALK TO STATE VOTERS. PLUS, WE'LL HEAR FROM FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CANDIDATES LYDIA SPOTTSWOOD AND PAUL RYAN. THAT'S COMING UP ON "WEEKEND." >> IT'S TRADITIONAL FOR CANDIDATES TO END CAMPAIGNS WITH A QUICK SWEEP AROUND THE STATE TO TOUCH BASE IN ALL O F THE VARIOUS TELEVISION MARKETS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND OUR STATE. THIS WEEK "WEEKEND" REPORTER ART HACKETT AND WENDY WOODARD DID THEIR OWN WHISTLE STOP TOUR OF WISCONSIN. DON'T TAKE THIS AS A SCIENTIFIC POLL BUT WITH THE ELECTION ONLY FOUR DAYS AWAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD TIME T O LET VOTERS AND NON-VOTERS ALIKE HAVE A SAY ABOUT THE LAST DAYS OF CAMPAIGN '98. >> WE SET OUT ON THIS TRIP WITH ONLY A COUPLE O F RULES. AVOID THE CANDIDATES. WE HEARD ENOUGH FROM THEM ALREADY. AND, BE AS OPEN-ENDED AS POSSIBLE. WE DIDN'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT WHO PEOPLE WERE VOTING FOR AS MUCH AS WHY. THE OPENING QUESTION WAS ALWAYS , WHAT ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO? THE FIRST STOP -- RICHLAND CENTER.>> I'M INTERESTED IN THE KIND OF POSITIONS PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT CLINTON-LEWINSKY UPROAR. I THINK THAT THE REPUBLICAN RIGHT HAS DRIVEN ME BACK INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. >> COMING AT THE SAME TIME FROM DIFFERENT PARTS, FROM WAY OVER ON LEFT AND WAY OVER ON RIGHT. IT USED TO BE IT WAS KIND OF CLOSE.>> WHO'S GOING T O BE THE BEST PERSON TO -- FURTHER THE EDUCATION FOR THE YOUNG KIDS , FOR A START. >> I'M THINKING ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. IT'S KIND O F SHOCKING WHEN YOU STOP AND THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE LEGALIZED BRIBERY IN OUR COUNTRY.TO ME THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> GOVERNOR THOMPSON HAS BEEN USING TEACHERS , IN MY OPINION , AS HIS SCAPEGOAT , FOR RELIEVING THE TAX BURDEN ON PEOPLE UNJUSTIFIABLY WHILE GIVING CREDITS TO BIG BUSINESS. >> AS FAR AS EDUCATION IS CONCERNED WISCONSIN IS -- HAS A WONDERFUL EDUCATION SYSTEM. PERHAPS THERE IS AN ISSUE ABOUT THE TEACH ERS' UNION. THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. I THINK PROPERTY TAXES KIND OF PRESH SPENDING CAPS. PRIOR TO SPENDING CAPS , A LOT OF EDUCATION, LOCAL EDUCATION BUDGETS WERE GOING UP DOUBLE-DIGIT RATES WHILE INFLATION WAS AT A RELATIVELY LOW LEVEL. >> WE'RE TRYING T O GET A SPANISH PROGRAM IN OUR SCHOOL HERE , BUT THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT. FOR THE FIRST , SECOND , THIRD-GRADERS.SO , WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS.>> I'M KIND OF TORN BETWEEN A GOVERNOR WHO MAY LOWER MY TAXES AND ONE WHO IS GOING TO BE A BETTER FRIEND TO EDUCATION.>> BUT SUE SAYS LA CROSSE VOTERS ARE TORN U P ABOUT WHETHER TO BUILD ANOTHER ROAD BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND THE INTERSTATE. >> WE HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN LA CROSSE. AND NORTH OF LA CROSSE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH TAKING 24 ACRES ARE MARSH LAND FOR IT.>> IN LA CROSSE WE FOUND SOME PEOPLE ANXIOUS TO SEND A MESSAGE. >> OBVIOUSLY I WANT -- I'M A REPUBLICAN AND I'M AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. >> AND A TATOO PARLOR FILLED WITH PEOPLE WITH NO DESIRE TO NEEDLE PUBLIC OFFICIALS. I'M JUST NOT INTERESTED IN POLITICS OR THE ISSUES , ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT DOESN'T CONCERN ME REALLY. YOU KNOW. SO, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE NEXT TUESDAY.>> MOST PEOPLE MY AGE OR YOUNGER FEEL IT'S USELESS. POLITICIANS LIE TO US. TELL US WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, AND THEN WHEN THEY GET IN THEY DON'T. >> STEVENS POINT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CAMPUS. ENVIRONMENT IS A BIG THING O N THE MINDS OF ALL THE STUDENTS AND FACULTY HERE. >> I THINK THAT FEINGOLD SEEMS TO SUPPORT A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THE COW FLATULATION THING. I THINK THAT HE WAS WRONG FOR DOING THAT. I LIKE HOW NEUMANN IS KIND OF ATTACKING HIM FOR IT. >> THE GUY RUNNING AROUND WITH THE JAR AND TESTING THE COW GAS , WE LEARNED IN CLASS THAT THAT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE OZONE. THE GUY WHO CUT IT OFF IS NOT VERY EDUCATED ON IT. >> THE CLASSES RIGHT NOW , THEY ARE OVERFILLED. THEY NEED MORE CLASSROOMS. >> WEYAUWEGA I S ANOTHER TOWN WHERE IT'S A LOCAL ISSUE THAT HAS VOTERS MOTIVATED. >> WE WANT TO EXPAND IT. IS THAT WHAT -- THEY WANT T O BUILD ON. AND THE SCHOOL I S PRETTY BRAND NEW. >> ASK ABOUT NATIONAL ISSUES AND THERE ONLY SEEMED TO BE ONE ISSUE. >> I STRONGLY GO FOR THE ONES THAT ARE DEFINITELY AGAINST PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION. I DON'T BELIEVE IN ABORTION. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT PROCEDURE IS NECESSARY. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS SAYING WHAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTRADICTORY THINGS.THE COMMERCIALS ARE CONFUSING. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO IS LYING. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S TOUCHED BASE WITH ME I S THIS PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION ISSUE. I'M DEFINITELY GOING T O VOTE TOWARD GETTING RID OF THAT. >> PROBABLY ABORTION ISSUES. ANTI-ABORTION ISSUES. >> I'LL BE FOCUSED ON THE SENATORIAL RACE. I'M INTERESTED IN THE PRO CHOICE ISSUES.>> AND THE ONES THAT VOTED FOR W-2, I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THEM. IT'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS I N MILWAUKEE NOW WITH THIS WITH-2. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS WOMEN. PEOPLE LIVING TWO AND THREE FAMILIES IN ONE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS. IT'S LIKE AN ATTACK O N FAMILIES. >> I THINK TOMMY THOMPSON HAS DONE A GOOD THING WITH THE WELFARE REFORM, THOUGH. SO , I'VE HAD A FEW FRIENDS THAT HE'S BOOTED T O G O TO WORK AND THEY HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER OFF SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING NOW. >> MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT'S ALL WE WANT. BY PRIVATIZING IT IN SOME WAYS WILL HELP THE SYSTEM RATHER THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW WHERE THEY TAKE THE MONEY AND IT ALL GOES INTO ONE FUND , AND THE GOVERNMENT PUTS I.O.U.'S INTO IT.>> I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS PAYING INTO IT WHAT THEY WILL BE HAVING. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, REALLY. >> TELL ME WHO IS HONEST. TELL ME WHO IS A GOOD GUY. >> CAN YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? BASED ON WHAT YOU HEAR? >> IT'S PRETTY HARD. SEEMS LIKE THEY KNOCK ONE ANOTHER SO BAD , TOO. THAT I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW. >> NEGATIVE ADS. THOSE CANDIDATES WHO HAVEN'T HAD NEGATIVE ADS I AM MOST LIKELY TO STROT FOR.>> WE RETURN TO MADISON TO FIND PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE BUT MADISON.>> I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES IS EDUCATION AND SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. >> EDUCATION IS M Y BIGGEST ISSUE. >> THE STATE'S TEACHERS WERE IN TOWN MAKING A DEMOCRATIC CITY EVEN MORE DEMOCRATIC. AND SO ENDS OUR ONE-WEEK WHIRLWIND TOUR OF WISCONSIN.A WEEK THAT TOLD US , WELL , NOTHING OFFICIAL SINCE THIS WAS NOT A SCIENTIFIC SAMPLE. WE DO KNOW ONE MEASURE IS PROBABLY WAY OFF. NEARLY EVERYONE WE APPROACHED SAID THEY PLANNED ON VOTING NEXT TUESDAY. ACCORDING TO THE STATE ELECTIONS BOARD, THE REALITY IS NEARLY 60% OF THE STATE'S ELIGIBLE VOTERS WILL STAY HOME. >> IT DISAPPEARED. >> ART HACKETT REPORTING , WENDY WOODARD EDITED THE STORY. WE MOVE FROM THE VIEWS OF LIVE VOTERS BACK TO THE VIEWS OF REAL LIVE CANDIDATES. EARLIER TODAY PATTY SPOKE WITH THE CANDIDATES FOR THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SEAT. >> THE FIRST DISTRICT RUNS AKRS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE STATE. THE CURRENT REPRESENTATIVE , REPUBLICAN MARK NEUMANN , STEPPED DOWN TO RUN FOR U.S. SENATE. THE OPEN SEAT IS SOUGHT BY DEMOCRAT LYDIA SPOTTSWOOD. PLIS SPOTTSWOOD JOINS US FROM MILWAUKEE.>> HELLO.>> HELLO. AND REPUBLICAN PAUL RYAN WHO JOINS US HERE IN MADISON. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. MISS SPOTTSWOOD, THE FIRST QUESTION IS FOR YOU. AN ESTIMATED 40 MILLION AMERICANS ARE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. WHAT SPECIFIC PROPOSALS DO YOU HAVE TO CORRECT THIS? >> I THINK THERE ARE A VARIETY OF IDEAS OUT THERE. BY THE WAY THE NUMBER IS NOW 43 MILLION AMERICANS OVER 16% OF OUR POPULATION IS CURRENTLY UNINSURED. AND THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. LAST YEAR ALONE 1.7 MILLION AMERICANS LOST COVERAGE. MORE THAN HALF OF THEM EARN OVER $75,000 A YEAR. I THINK ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT HOLDS PROMISE IS THE IDEA OF EXPANDING PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND BREAKING DOWN SOME OF THE FIRE WALLS THAT EXIST IN THE LAW TODAY SO THAT MORE AND MORE COMPANIES CAN COMBINE PURCHASING POWER. EXAMPLES OUT THERE SUCH AS CALPERS WHERE MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT THE STATEOF CALIFORNIA WERE ABLE TO ENJOY JOINT PURCHASING POWER AND MAKE HEALTH INSURANCE MORE AFFORDABLE.I THINK THAT'S AN IDEA THAT HOLDS PROMISE.WE USE THAT KIND OF IDEA IN KENOSHA THROUGH THE HEALTH CARE PARTNERS PLAN. WE LEVERAGE PUBLIC PURCHASING OF HEALTH INSURANCE WITH PRIVATE SECTOR PURCHASING. THAT BRINGS DOWN COSTS OVERALL AND I THINK WOULD MAKE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR MORE AMERICANS. >> MR. RYAN? >> I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THINGS YOU CAN DO. WE HAVE TO IMPROVE ACCESSIBILITY AFFORDABILITY AND CHOICE.I D O BELIEVE THAT WE OUGHT TO MAKE HEALTH INSURANCE DEDUCTIBLE AT THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL. I THINK SELF-EMPLOYED PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE 100% DEDUCTIBILITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 43 MILLION NUMBER THAT LYDIA REFERRED TO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED BY SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. I DO AGREE THAT POOLING , ALLOWING SMALL BUSINESSES TO POOL RESOURCES TO REPRESENT LARGE BUYING CLOUT IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE MARKET WILL HELP US GET TO ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYED BY SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET HEALTH CARE PLANS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE.IN MY HOMETOWN OF JANESVILLE, THE GAZ ZET , PUT TOGETHER A POOL THAT REPRESENTS 20,000 LIVES. THEY WENT T O MERCY HOSPITAL WITH A GREAT AMOUNT O F BUYING CLOUT AND GOT TOGETHER A GOOD DEAL FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. A DEAL THAT ANY SMALL BUSINESS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. >> AND I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF MY CAMPAIGN I HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING ALL HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS 100% DEDUCTIBLE FOR EVERYONE PURCHASING PREMIUMS. I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP THAT WE NEED T O TAKE. >> BOTH OF YOU SEEM TO AGREE AT LEAST ON THIS ONE ISSUE. BOTH OF YOUR CAMPAIGNS ATTRACTED NATIONAL ATTENTION AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS SPENT CONSIDER SUMS ON BOTH OF YOUR BEHALFS. THIS IS THE SO-CALLED SOFT MONEY THAT HAS MANY VOTERS CONCERNED. ARE YOU CONCERNED, MR. RYAN? WHAT WOULD DO YOU ABOUT IT?>> I AM CONCERNED. I THINK LYDIA, WE PROBABLY SHARE THIS. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM SHARING YOUR MESSAGE WHEN YOU HAVE OUTSIDE GROUPS TELLING THE VOTERS WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. I WOULD RATHER TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL MY MESSAGE. I'M SURE LYDIA WOULD RATHER CONTROL HER MESSAGE. MANY TIMES WE CAN'T CONTROL THE MESSAGE. ESPECIALLY IN THE WANING DAYS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO BRING ELECTIONS CLOSER TO HOME , ASK PEOPLE TO RAISE A MAJORITY OF THE MONEY IN THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY REPRESENT. ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT IS TRY TO GET A HANDLE ON THESE SOFT MONEY DOLLARS. I THINK THIS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND SO WE CAN CONTROL OUR OWN CAMPAIGNS. >> WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED FOR THE MCCAIN-FEINGOLD BILL?>> I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOME PROVISIONS. THE FREE TV TIME IS SOMETHING I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH. I KNOW LYDIA AND I DISAGREE O N THIS.I SEE THAT AS A CONFISCATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. BROADCASTERS PAY FOR THELICENSES TO BROADCAST THAT TIME. CONFISCATING THAT PROPERTY IS A TAKING.I DO SEE THAT AS BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THAT'S THE PROVISION IN THE MCCAIN-FEINGOLD BILL THAT I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH.I THOUGHT THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE BILL WERE PRETTY GOOD PROVISIONS.>> MISS SPOTTSWOOD? >> I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE PAUL AND I HAVE VERY SHARP DIFFERENCES. THE ANSWER TO THIS TO M E SEEMS CLEAR. FIRST W E BAN SOFT MONEY IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS.I THINK THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL REFORM WE NEED TO EMBARK ON IMMEDIATELY.THE SECOND IS WE NEED TO REFORM WHAT WE DEFINE AS INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES SO THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL OR A GROUP OUT THERE WANTS TO USE THE NAME O R IMAGE OF A CANDIDATE DURING THE PERIOD OF AN ELECTION , THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME HARD DOLLAR RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO CANDIDATES, INCLUDING FULL DISCLOSURE. AGAIN, THAT WILL HELP TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND BRING THE MESSAGE BACK HOME INTO THE DISTRICT WITH REAL INTEGRITY IN THE WAY THE INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES ARE FINANCED. THE THIRD DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAVE IS I DO BELIEVE THAT WHEN SOMEONE HOLDS AN FCC LICENSE THEY ARE A PUBLIC TRUSTEE AND HAVE A PUBLIC OBLIGATION TO THE COMMON GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STEPS THAT WE COULD TAKE AS A NATION IS TO ALLOW A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF FREE TELEVISION TIME FOR CANDIDATES. AS LONG AS THIS APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD, THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL.BUT I THINK THIS WOULD OPEN UP THE POLITICAL PROCESS. I THINK IT'S WRONG THAT IT CAN COST $1 MILLION OR MORE TO RUN A CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN IN THE FIRST DISTRICT O F WISCONSIN , AND IT WILL KEEP A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM EVER EVEN CONSIDERING SUCH AN ATTEMPT. >> LET'S GIVE YOUR OPPONENT A CHANCE TO RESPOND. >> ON THE FREE TV TIME , REQUIRING TELEVISION STATIONS TO GIVE FREE AIR TIME , WHERE DOES IT END? THAT'S MY QUESTION. THERE IS TODD DUCKWORTH IN JANESVILLE WHO DOES OUR BUMPER STICKERS.DOES HE HAVE TO GIVE ME FREE -- >> PAUL, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AND YOU KNOW IT. YOU KNOW BETTER. >> LYDIA , THESE BROADCASTERS ACTUALLY DO PAY FOR THESE LICENSES. THIS IS TAKING PRIVATE PROPERTY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE THINGS . BROADCASTERS PAY FOR THE LICENSES THIS IS A BUSINESS. IT'S LIKE ASKING A RADIO STATION TO GIVE YOU FREE AIR TIME. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DISAGREE. >> PAUL , I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU. WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS. CHARLIE SOOIKS GIVES YOU FREE AIR TIME EVERY DAY. WE LOOK AT THESE LNLSS AS A PUBLIC TRUSTEE. IT'S A STEWARDSHIP RESPONSIBILITY.I THINK THAT , AGAIN , WE WOULD OPEN UP THE POLITICAL PROCESS AND INVITE MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS PROCESS IF THEY WEREN'T FACED WITH THIS ENORMOUS FUNDRAISING CHALLENGE. IT TAKES UP A GREAT DEAL O F TIME. PAUL, I DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO THIS AS WELL. AND WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO ALLOWMORE AMERICANS TO REALLY MAKE A RUN AT NATIONAL OFFICE? >> WE'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AND THEN MOVE ON. >> I DON'T WANT TO CONFISCATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION.>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO LET YOURSELF OFF THE HOOK. >> LET'S MOVE ON. AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS ALL OF US. SOUTHEASTERN WISCONSIN SOFRN OUT OF COMPLIANCE AS YOU KNOW WITH FEDERAL CLEAN AIR STANDARDS. THE E.P.A. HAS COME U P WITH NEW EMISSION STANDARDS , AND GIVEN WISCONSIN ONE YEAR TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THEM. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU FAVOR STRONG IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE FEDERAL STANDARDS , AND ADHERING TO THE DEADLINE THE STATE IS UNDER? >> FIRST AND FOREMOST , I'M OPPOSED TO UNFUNDED FEDERAL MANDATES. THIS IS AN ARENA I LOOK AT AS TYPICAL OF AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE COMPANIES A STRICT DEADLINE FORCOMPLIANCE YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMPANIES SO THEY CAN COMPLY. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE FINANCIAL WHERE WITH ALL OR MAYBE EVEN TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN BE OVERWHELMING. THAT REGULATIONS CAN REALLY BECOME DIFFICULT FOR LARGE OR SMALL BUSINESSES.WHEN YOU PUT THOSE DEADLINES IN PLACE I THINK THERE IS AN OLD PRINCIPLE I BELIEVE IN AND IS WHY I PASSED A RESOLUTION, MY OWN CITY COUNCIL , OPPOSING UNFUNDED MANDATES. I BELIEVE HE WHO PASSES THE LAW SHOULD PAY FOR IT. >> MR. RYAN.>> WE NEED A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND CLEAN AIR. MY CONCERN WITH THIS REGULATION IS THIS. IN MY HOME COUNTY OF ROCK COUNTY WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. BUT WE'RE NOT PRODUCING THE POLLUTION IN THE AIR. >> AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ILLINOIS , INDIANA A , MISSOURI AND KENTUCKY ARE UNDER THE SAME ORDERS AND THEIR STANDARDS ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER.>> LET'S FOCUS ON THE SOURCE , NOT THE RECIPIENTS OF THE POLLUTION. THE IMPORTANT POINT IS , LET'S MAKE SURE THESE THINGS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY BASED. THIS PARTICULAR REGULATION WAS DONE BASED ON ONE STUDY CONDUCTED AT HARVARD WHERE THEY WOULD NOT RELEASE THE EVIDENCE OR THE FINDINGS BACKING UP THE STUDY.I WANT T O MAKE SLUR IF WE'RE GOING T O REGULATE SOUND ENVIRONMENTAL PRACTICES, WHICH IS A NECESSARY FUNCTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IT HAS TO BE BASED IN SOUND SCIENCE. I THINK SINCE A LOT -- IN JANESVILLE WE'RE GETTING WINDS ACROSS LAKE MICHIGAN , WINDS FROM ILLINOIS, BRINGING POLLUTION UP. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GO AT THE SOURCE, NOT THE RECIPIENTS. IF YOU GO OUT TO THE RECIPIENTS YOU ARE STILL NOT GOING T O TAKE CARE OF THE SOURCE. >> AND AGAIN , I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WHEN YOU SET DEADLINES, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO WORK WITH BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE CAN BE ACHIEVED. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO IS SHUT DOWN COMPANIES AND LOSE JOBS.I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED T O KEEP I N MIND IN DEALING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. IN WISCONSIN WE'RE SEEING A GREATER INCREASE IN ASTHMA THAN WE HAVE EVER SEEN, A BYPRODUCT OF THIS LOSS OF AIR QUALITY, IF YOU WILL. >> BOTH OF YOU HAVE SAID YOU WOULD CUT WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING. CAN YOU GIVE US THREE EXAMPLES OF PROGRAMS THAT YOU CONSIDER WASTEFUL YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEEENDED.>> SURE.I WOULD GO TO THE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM.WHICH IS A PROGRAM WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE HANDS OUT BILLION-DOLLAR GRANTS TO LARGE KOPTIONS, GENERAL ELECTRIC , BELL SOUTH, FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF APPLIED TECHNOLOGIES.THIS IS INDUSTRIAL POLICY OR KNOWN AS CORPORATE WELFARE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE LARGE COMPANIES WHO HAVE VAST RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PRODUCTS, TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOOT THE BILL RATHER THAN GETTING COLLECTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT FOR PRODUCTS THAT ARE GOING TO B E SOLD AS PROFIT-MAKING GOODS.I THINK THERE'S A LOT O F CORPORATE WELFARE IN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUBSIDIZED. OUR GOVERNMENT IS PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THE MARKETPLACE. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE IN THAT BUSINESS.>> YOU HAVE TWO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO -- >> REGIONAL COMMISSION. I WOULD ELIMINATE THE $83 WASTE PAPER BASKETS. >> PLIS SPOTTSWOOD , THREE PROGRAMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF. >> WELL, I'M NOT FOCUSED ON $83 ITEMS. I'M CONSIDERING STAR WARS TO BE ENORMOUS BOONDOGLE , OVER $40 BILLION PROJECTED. I THINK WE COULD GET RID OF THAT. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY TANGIBLE EVIDENCE THERE IS ANYTHING OF REAL BENEFIT BACK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THAT MONEY. I WOULD AT THIS POINT STOP PRODUCTION OF B-2 BOMBERS. WHY? BECAUSE THESE ARE PLANES THAT DON'T FLY WELL WHEN IT'S RAINING OR WHEN THEY ARE DEALING WITH HOT WEATHER. AND THE PENTAGON HAS NEVER ACTUALLY REQUESTED THESE FUNDS CONTINUE. I LOOK AT PROGRAMS SUCH AS $750,000 THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN THIS LAST BUDGET TO STUDY GRASSHOPPERS IN ALASKA OR $250,000 TO STUDY DECAFFEINATED GUM IN ILLINOIS. THERE I S ENORMOUS WASTE. AND PART OF THE REASON THIS OCCURS IS THE KIND OF BUDGET PROCESS WE JUST SAW WHERE THEY WAIT UNTIL EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE GOING HOME FOR RE-ELECTION, THEY HAVE A MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BUDGET THEY PUT TOGETHER , 4,000 PAGES LONG , PAUL. YOU PROBABLY KNOW HOW FEW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS GOT TO READ THAT BUDGET BEFORE THEY VOTED ON IT. AND THAT IS SO WRONG. >> NES GUYS GOT THIS BILL ABOUT 18 HOURS BEFORE THEY WERE VOTING. IT WAS ABOUT THIS BIG , 40 POUNDS.I D O BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET LAW , THE BUDGET ACT OF 1974, HAS TO B E REWRITTEN SO THAT BILLS ARE UNBUNDLED. SO PORK CANNOT BE HIDDEN INTO THE BILLS SO YOU CAN'T FIND THEM. I BELIEVE UNBUNDLING MEANING VOTE ON THESE PROJECTS ONE AT A TIME. SURE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME IN CONGRESS. BUT I THINK YOU WILL EXPOSE THESE THINGS TO THE LIGHT OF DAY AND ELIMINATE A LOT OF PORK BARREL SPENDING. THE REAL SWAY CHANGE THE BUDGET PROCESS.>> IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO GET BACK TO ALSO. IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU CAN ADOPT A BUDGET.>> WE HAVE RUN OUT O F TIME. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU BOTH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ONE LAST PLEA TO THE VOTERS. YOU EACH HAVE 30 SECONDS. MR. RYAN, YOU LOST THE COIN TOSS ASSOCIATION THAT MEANS YOU G O FIRST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE. THIS HAS BEEN A CAMPAIGN WHERE FRANKLY, VOTERS HAVE BEEN SCARED AND INTIMIDATED T O VOTE FOR MY OPPONENT. BUT I WANT TO BRING THIS DOWN TO IDEAS.WE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS. WE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS WHICH DIRECTION OUR COUNTRY SHOULD GO. I BELIEVE IN LOCAL CONTROL. I BELIEVE IN IMPORTANT AREAS , WE OUGHT TO BRING CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS BACK TO WISCONSIN, BACK TO OUR COMMUNITIES.I BELIEVE IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE THAT GOVERNMENT WHICH GOVERNS CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE GOVERNS BEST.I BELIEVE WE'RE SENDING TOO MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS TO WASHINGTON. WE'RE WORKING TO MAY 17TH TO PAY OUR TAXES. MY OPPONENT CALLED FOR DIFFERENT TAX INCREASES IN THIS CAMPAIGN. I BELIEVE W E NEED TO PAY LESS TAXES, REFORM OUR TAX SYSTEM. AND NUMBER ONE , LET'S STOP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM RAIDING THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZING OR THE STOCK MARKET. PUT IT IN THE TRUST FUND. STOP CONGRESS FROM RAIDING IT. >> MISS SPOTTSWOOD. >> I THINK THERE ARE VERY CLEAR DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN PAUL AND MYSELF IN THIS CAMPAIGN. I HAD THAT LOCAL EXPERIENCE THAT PAUL LIKES TO TALK ABOUT , AND YET HE'S ATTACKED ME FOR THE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG. I THINK THAT THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SHARED WITH ME THAT THEY ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT ARE THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING OURCHILDREN AND PREPARING THEM FOR THE FUTURE , GIVING ALL OF OUR CHILDREN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GREAT EDUCATION AND GREAT SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT OUR STATE. THE IMPORTANCE OF EXPANDING ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE , QUALITY HEALTH CARE , MAKING SURE DOCTORS NOT INSURANCE COMPANIES , MAKE OUR HEALTH CARE DECISIONS. AND SAVING SOCIAL SECURITY. EVEN AS LATE AS YESTERDAY MY OPPONENT, ONCE AGAIN , INDICATED HE WOULD BE WILLING TO USE SURPLUSES -- FOR TAX BREAKS. >> THE AUTHORS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY MISQUOTED ME. >> MISS SPOTTSWOOD , THANK YOU , AND MR. RYAN , THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.GOOD LUCK TO BOTH O F YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> BE SURE TO ENTER OUR "WEEKEND" ELECTION DAY CONTEST. THE WINNER GETS TWO TICKETS TO SEE THE MINNESOTA-WISCONSIN FOOTBALL GAME SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 7. THE TICKETS WERE DONATED BY A FRIEND OF WHA. THE PERSON WITH THE CLOSEST GUESS TO THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF VOTERS NEXTS TO WITHOUT GOING OVER WINS TWO TICKETS. THE ADDRESS -- HERE'S A LINT THAT MY HELP . OVER ONE MILLION VOTERS CAST BALLOTS IN WISCONSIN IN 1994. COMING UP, WE'LL TALK WITH SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT CANDIDATES JO MUSSER AND TAMMY BALDWIN. THAT'S NEXT ON "WEEKEND." >> AND AS OUR 90-MINUTE ELECTION SPECIAL CONTINUES WE WANT TO TURN ATTENTION TO THE STATE'S SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTWHICH IS ALSO AN OPEN SEAT. CURRENT U.S. REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT KLUG IS RETIRING SO IT'S TIME FOR ONE MORE ROUNDTABLE WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE SEAT. JOINING US FORMER INSURANCE COMMISSIONER AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE JO MUSSER AND HER DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT STATE REPRESENTATIVE TAMMY BALDWIN. I WANT TO TURN IF I MIGHT TO SOMETHING YOU WERE BOTH TELLING ME DURING THAT LAST INTERVIEW, WHICH IS YOU BOTH SAID THAT YOU ENJOY THE RETAIL ASPECTS OF CAMPAIGNING. YET YOURS IS A CAMPAIGN THAT HAS BEEN DOMINATED BY ADS IN WHICH APPARENTLY $2 MILLION WILL BE SPENT. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE DIFFERENCES? WHAT COULD YOU DO T O MAKE A DIFFERENCE? JO MUSSER FIRST. >> WELL, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST MY GOAL IN THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN TO LITERALLY REACH OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. IT'S SAID THAT 60% OF THE VOTERS WILL NEVER MEET EITHER ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.I WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THAT. >> PERHAPS THAT MANY WON'T VOTE. >> I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE T O CHANGE THAT ASPECT O F IT. MY FRIENDS ARE HERE FROM SWEDEN THIS WEEK VISITING. THEY ARE VERY DISTRESSED THAT ONLY 90% OF THE SWEDES VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION. WE SHOULD BE SO FORTUNATE. THE FACT IS THAT GETTING OUT AND TALKING DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE, WHAT CAN THEY LEARN IN 30 SECONDS ON TV ABOUT US. A PRODUCED A D AT THAT. >> YET , I HEARD EVERY CANDIDATE SORT OF DECRY THE TERRIBLE 30-SECOND SPOT YET YOU ALL DO IT AND SPEND MILLIONS DOING IT. WHY CAN'T YOU STOP? >> WELL, I THINK IT'S THE CLASSIC PARADOX. ONE IS UP AND ON TV , THE OTHER ONE NECESSARILY HAS TO BE U P AND RESPONDING. AND IF IN FACT 60% OF THE PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THE SERVICE CLUB MEETINGS OR THE COFFEE SHOPS OR THE CHURCH SUPPERS OR THE SENIOR CENTERS, WE DO HAVE TO REACH THEM SOME WAY. WE HAVE TO GET OUR MESSAGE OUT SOME WAY. >> WELL, AS FAR AS THE T V COMMERCIALS ARE CONCERNED , I'M PROUD THAT THE ONE WE HAVE UP RUNNING RIGHT NOW IS A POSITIVE, A YOUNG WOMAN TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE JUST BY GOING OUT AND VOTING AND TALKING ABOUT HOW SHE SUPPORTS MY CANDIDACY. WHEN I SEE THE ATTACK ADS THAT ARE UP AND THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT ATTACK ADS UP AGAINST ME RIGHT NOW, I THINK THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO SUPPRESS VOTE. SO BACK TO THE FORMER PART OF YOUR QUESTION, WHAT I A M MOST PROUD OF , WIN OR LOSE ON ELECTION DAY, IS HAVING SPENT THE LAST YEAR WORKING TO REBUILD A GRASS ROOTS NETWORK OF ACTIVISTS, VOTERS , PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO B E OUT IN VAST NUMBERS ON ELECTION DAY , PERSONALLY REACHING OUT. A CANDIDATE AS MY OPPONENT SAID , CAN'T REACH EVERY VOTER. WHEN YOU HAVE 1,000 VOLUNTEERS ON ELECTION DAY YOU CAN. >> I WANT TO GIVE JO MUSSER A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE SPECIFIC CHARGE YOU MADE. BE SPECIFIC IF YOU WOULD, TAMMY BALDWIN, WHICH SPECIFIC AD DO YOU FIND OFFENSIVE, DO YOU FIND -- DO YOU BELIEVE IS DESIGNED TO LOWER VOTER TURNOUT. >> I AM AWARE THERE ARE FOUR ADS THAT ARE BEING BROADCAST RIGHT NOW RELATING TO MY CANDIDACY. I BELIEVE THAT A COUPLE OF THEM ARE PAID FOR BY M Y OPPONENT AND A COUPLE BY THE PARTY , OR I'M SORRY, ONE BY THE PARTY AND ONE BY A TERM LIMITS GROUP. SO THE TERM LIMIT AD, THERE'S ONE ADDRESSING HEALTH CARE REFORM, THERE'S ONE ON CRIME POLICY, AND I ACTUALLY FORGET WHAT THE FOURTH IS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. I HAVEN'T TURNED ON MY TELEVISION FOR QUITE SOMETIME. >> ON THE CRIME A D SPECIFIC PLI JO MUSSER , THAT'S AN AD THAT HAS BEEN OUT JUST IN THE LAST 24 OR 48 HOURS WHICH CLOSES WITH AN ACTER PLAYING THE ROLE AFTER PRISONER SAYING GEE , I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE FOR TAMMY BALDWIN BUT I'M BEHIND BARS. THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE COMMERCIAL. WHY RUN THAT? >> WELL , I'M NOT CERTAIN MY OPPONENT UNDERSTANDS HOW HER VOTES REALLY FRIGHT AT ANY VOTERS IN THIS DISTRICT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE RECORD GET TOLD. AND SHE'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO TELL IT. SO, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TELL ABOUT THESE VOTES. THESE ARE CONTRAST ADS. I THINK ADS THAT DRAW THE VIEWER TO SOME KIND OF CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS A BAD PERSON , THOSE ARE TRULY NEGATIVE ADS. ALL OF US HAVE TO RUN ON OUR RECORD.AND THE RECORD IS VERY CLEAR, THE VOTES ARE DATED AND SOURCED AND TIMED.>> GIVE US A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT SEEN THE AD, MAKE A POINT ABOUT MISS BALDWIN'S CRIME RECORD THATYOU THINK IS FAIR. >> SHE VOTED AGAINST TRUTH IN SENTENCING.>> TAMMY BALDWIN. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AD BRINGS UP IS A VOTE CAST RELATING TO CHECKING BACKGROUND RECORDS FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN CHILDCARE CENTERS. SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY FRIGHTENING TO A PARENT. I AM CO-SPONSOR OF THE MEASURE THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AND WENT INTO EFFECT THIS MONTH REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR CHILDCARE WORKERS. AND BECAUSE AT ONE POINT I VOTED AGAINST A N ILL-CRAFTED THING IN FAVOR OF VOTING IN FAVOR OF LEGISLATION THAT GOT THE JOB DONE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE , THIS TYPE OF DISTORTION CAN HAPPEN.NOW THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO SAY WITH REGARD TO THIS , IS THAT I THINK IF WE TALK ABOUT THESE ATTACK ADS WE ALSO MAKE THIS CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE ATTACK ADS. WHAT I WANT TO RETURN TO I S A DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS DISTRICT , THE EDUCATIONAL NEEDS OF OUR YOUNG CHILDREN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO PROTECT OUR YOUNG CHILDREN. BUT CONTINUE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE ADS MAKES THIS CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE ADS. >> MY OPPONENT CHANGED THE RULES. WE SAID AND I AGREED , I RATHER NAIVELY BELIEVED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO NEGATIVE ADS. ALL OF THE SCRIPTS I HAD WRITTEN WERE POSITIVE ADS. ONE MORNING WE'RE ON IN THE MORNING AND SHE'S SAYING WE'RE NOT RUNNING NEGATIVE ADS. THAT DAY IT COMES UP SAYING I'M A REGISTERED INSURANCE LOBBYIST. I NEVER HAVE BEEN A REGISTERED INSURANCE LOBBYIST. WHEN YOU MOVE THE GOA L POSTS THE RULES CHANGE. YOU KANTS -- IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THEN TO GO BACK TO ALL POSITIVE ADS. >> IT'S INTERESTING LISTENING TO YOU BOTH. AGAIN, TAKING US BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD BEFORE THE RED LIGHTS CAME ON, THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE A CERTAINCAMPAIGN.YET YOU BOTH SEEM TO SAY YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF. >> WELL, I THINK WE CAN TALK RIGHT NOW ABOUT HEALTH CARE AND ABOUT EDUCATION AND ABOUT SOM E OF THE DIFFERENCES . AND TO REALLY SHOW BY EXAMPLE THAT WE WON'T MAKE THIS ABOUT THE -- >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION IF I MIGHT. LET'S PRETEND THAT I'M UNINSURED. EACH OF YOU TELL ME WHY YOU ARE THE BETTER PERSON TO HAVE IN CONGRESS TO IMPROVE M Y HEALTH CARE SITUATION. JO MUSSER. >> WELL , I WOULD HAVE -- I WOULD GO TO WASHINGTON AND CONTINUE TO WORK VERY HARD ON THE PIECES AND THE STEPS OF HEALTH CARE REFORM THAT WE KNOW ARE NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS OF INSURED PEOPLE EACH GO-ROUND. WISCONSIN HAS THE LOWEST RATE OF UNINSURED IN THE COUNTRY , AND THE SECOND DISTRICT IS AMONG THE LOWEST IF NOT THE LOWEST IN THE STATE. WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHY IS THAT? THAT IS BECAUSE , IN FACT , WE HAVE A SAFETY NET PROGRAM THAT WORKS PRETTY WELL. WE NEED TO DO MORE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WE NEED TO PROVIDE INSURANCE FOR THE CHILDREN IN THIS SECOND DISTRICT AND IN THE STATE AND IN THE COUNTRY THAT AREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR OTHER PROGRAMS. I WILL GO TO WASHINGTON AND WORK TO ENSURE THE CHILDREN HAVE A PROGRAM THAT THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT'S AFFORDABLE. BUT THE REAL PROBLEM IN HEALTH CARE IS THAT IT COSTS TOO MUCH. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S NOT PAYING. OR THAT YOU AND I ARE PAYING. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY W E PAY. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE COSTS ARE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE COST. MY OPPONENT WOULD TELL YOU SHE'S GOING TO USE THE 25% ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS IN HEALTH CARE TO COVER THE $43 MILLION UNINSURED. I HAVE RUN THE NUMBERS. IT DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT RAISING TAXES. RATHER SIGNIFICANTLY. >> MISS BALDWIN. >> DAVE, IF YOU WERE UNINSURED I WOULD HOPE THAT I COULD GET YOUR VOTE BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A CENTRAL PART OF MY CAMPAIGN AND MY PLANS WHEN I GET I N CONGRESS. I AM NOT SATISFIED TO GO THERE AND JUST FIGHT FOR THE REFORMS THAT ARE PENDING RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO G O THERE AND START RENEWING THE DEBATE AND SETTING THE VISION FOR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. NOW , IT MAY BE THAT MY OPPONENT HAS RUN THE NUMBERS ON THE PLANS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT TO GET TO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE. BUT S O HAS THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE AND THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE. AND BOTH SAY IT IS OUR MOST COST EFFECTIVE OPTION. >> LET ME ASK YOU IN TURN SOMETHING ABOUT ANOTHER WANT AND ONE YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT. THAT'S EDUCATION. SOMETIMES I THINK THAT ALL CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES ARE REALLY SECRETLY RUNNING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THAT A GREAT DEAL. TELL ME WHY AS A PARENT OF TWO CHILDREN, LET'S SAY , IN THE LOCAL SCHOOLS , WHY YOU WOULD BE THE BEST CONGRESSWOMAN FOR MY CONCERNS AS A PARENT WITH KIDS IN SCHOOL.>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL , I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT IN THE EDUCATION AGENDA FOR A CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE IS WERECOGNIZE THAT A LOT OF THE SCHOOL K-12 DECISIONS ARE DRINK BY THE LOCAL AND STATE LEGISLATORS.SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD.WHAT I WANT T O DO IS EXPAND OUR VISION OF -- BECAUSE I THINK THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE BY THE TIME A CHILD GETS TO KINLDER GARTEN THEY ARE READY TO LEARN. THE TEACHERS WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH ALL SORTS OF OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE CLASSROOM.DEALING WITH NUTRITION PROBLEMS , HEALTH PROBLEMS AND OFTEN A LACK OF SOCIALIZATION.WE NEED TO INVEST IN HEAD START, A FEDERAL PROGRAM , EARLY HEAD START. WE NEED TO HAVE NATIONAL STANDARDS IN CHILDCARE. >> WELL , LET ME FINISH ALONG THAT THOUGHT ABOUT HOW I WOULD DO THAT SAME GOAL DIFFERENTLY. THEN LET ME GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT KIDS IN PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. I BELIEVE -- RIGHT NOW A TWO-INCOME FAMILY EARNING $50,000 A YEAR, ONE PERSON WORKS FOR TAXES AND DAYCARE. I WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE TAXES FOR YOUNG FAMILIES SO IT'S NOT A DREAM BUT A REAL OPTION THAT ONE OF THOSE PARENTS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE T O STAY HOME THOSE FIRST THREE OR FIVE YEARS OF LIFE. THAT'S THE BEST NUTRITION , HEALTH CARE AND ENRICHED ENVIRONMENT WE CAN PROVIDE. PARENTS NEED MORE INVOLVEMENT. WE NEED TO REDUCE THE BARRIERS TO PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH KIDS. I THINK THE TAX BURDEN IS TOO HIGH.TO THE OTHER POINT ABOUT KIDS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM ONCE THEY DO REACH AGE 5 OR 6 , I BELIEVE VERY MUCH THAT I'M NOT RUNNING FOR LOCAL DECISION-MAKING. THAT THE DECISIONS IN THE SCHOOL CURRICULUM AND STRUCTURE AND -- EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE MADE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BY THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS, TEACHERS AND PARENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE PRIVATE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND SAY WHAT ARE THEY DOING REALLY WELL? ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO SWELL THEY DEMAND PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.I WANT TO REDUCE BARRIERS AND I WANT ALL OF THE MONEY THAT GOES TO WASHINGTON AND COMES BACK SO WE CAN SPEND I T , I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT STAY RIGHT HERE UNDER LOCAL CONTROL. AND THAT MEANS LOCALLY IN LOUISIANA AND IN CALIFORNIA TOO BECAUSE PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS ARE DIFFERENT. >> ONE OF THE BARRIERS T O PARENTAL ACCESS, THOUGH , FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IS THE FACT WE FAILED TO EXPAND THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL TO REALLY PERMIT PARENTS TO PLAY A GREATER ROLE IN TEACHER-PARENT CONFERENCES AND BRINGING THEIR CHILDREN TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, ET CETERA. THAT'S ONE OF THE DICHKSS BETWEEN US AS CANDIDATES. >> WE JUST HAVE A MOMENT LEFT. LET ME ASK YOU EACH T O DEFINE LASTLY THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YOU. AND WHY 96 HOURS OR SO FROM NOW PEOPLE OUGHT TO GO INTO THAT LITTLE BALLOT SPACE AND VOTE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER. TAMMY BALDWIN FIRST. >> YOU KNOW , I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CAMPAIGN, NOT ABOUT REPUBLICAN VERSUS DEMOCRAT, OR CONSERVATIVE VERSUS LIBERAL, BUT ABOUT CYNICAL VERSUS HOPEFUL. ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO. I HAVE TREMENDOUS FAITH IN OUR DEMOCRACY.AND THE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE. AND CHANGE THINGS. AND I PRESENT A VISION OF HOPEFULNESS THAT'S BOLD AND VISIONARY.BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT. >> WELL , I'M CERTAINLY KNOWN FOR MY VISION AND LEADERSHIP, PARTICULARLY AS IT'S COME TO HEALTH CARE REFORM. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR MANY YEARS. I THINK THAT THIS IS ABOUT HOPEFULNESS VERSUS WHAT WE CAN REALLY ACCOMPLISH.I WANT TO GO TO WASHINGTON AND ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING HEALTH CARE FOR ALL OF OUR CHILDREN IN THE VERY NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I DON'T WANT TO GO IN AND THROW OUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE JUST T O SOLVE ONE PROBLEM. SECONDLY, AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES. VERSUS PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITIES.AND THAT MIGHT SOUND LIKE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN FARE BUT FRANKLY, I BELIEVE THAT THE SINGLE BEST THING I CAN DO WHEN I GO TO WASHINGTON IS FREE UP PEOPLE'S TAX BURDEN AND OTHER THINGS SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES. WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. JO MUSSER , TAMMY BALDWIN , GO SHAKE A FEW HANDS. >> THANK YOU, DAVE. >> CAST YOUR VOTE ON THE QUALITY OF WEEKEND'S ELECTION COVERAGE. GIVE US A CALL TO LET U S KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF OUR POLITICAL REPORTING. UP NEXT , YOU WILL BE VOTING FOR MORE THAN JUST CANDIDATES NEXT TUESDAY. A CONTROVERSIAL AMENDMENT HAS MANY UP IN ARMS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AMENDMENT NEXT. PLUS , ATTORNEY GENERAL CANDIDATES SOUND OFF ONE LAST TIME IN OUR CANDIDATE COMMENTARIES. THAT'S NEXT ON "WEEKEND." >> VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE CASTING BALLOTS ON TUESDAY O N SOMETHING CALLED THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AMENDMENT. OPPONENTS SAY THE AMENDMENT IS MOOT BECAUSE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION ALREADY GUARANTEES THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS , BUT SUPPORTERS SAY THE AMENDMENT WILL PUT GUN CONTROL BACK IN THE HANDS OF THE STATE. AND IT MIGHT EVEN WORK TOWARD ABOLISHING THE BAN O N CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS. HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE AMENDMENT IS BOB SEITZ O F THE SPORTING HERITAGE COALITION AND ALSO WITH US SENATOR FRED RISSER WHO OPPOSES THE LEGISLATION. THANK YOU , GENTLEMEN, FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. MR. SITES , THE BILL O F RIGHTS GUARANTEES US THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. WHY DO WE NEED THIS? >> THE RIGHTS IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS HAVE BEEN CLIPPED AWAY BY COURTS OVER THE YEARS. THE FOUNDING FATHERS IN ADDITIONTO PLACING THIS IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS WENT BACK TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL STATES AND PLACED THIS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTIONS. SO IT WAS THEIR INTENT THA T THIS BE PROTECTED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THE STATE LEVEL. 43 STATES HAVE ADOPTED THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTIONS. IT ALSO BRINGS IT HOME TO THE STATE SO THESE THINGS CAN BE DECIDED IN WISCONSIN, I N WISCONSIN COURTS, WISCONSIN -- BY WISCONSIN LAWMAKERS RATHER THAN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. >> MR. RISSER. >> WELL, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS IN WISCONSIN RIGHT NOW. NO ONE HAS TOLD ME OR HAS CONVINCED ME WE NEED THIS AMENDMENT. IT'S TRUE THAT A NUMBER OF OTHER STATES HAVE PASSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS , BUT NOT A SINGLE STATE HAS PASSED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WORDED LIKE OURS. IF WE TAKE OURS LITERALLY , I WOULD BE QUITE AFRAID BECAUSE IT MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN FELONS AND NON-FELONS, BETWEEN MENTALLY ILL AND INCOMPETENT PEOPLE. MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN DOMESTIC ABUSERS. IT SAYS ALL PEOPLE HAVE THIS RIGHT. EVEN MORE SO -- ONE STEP FURTHER.I THINK THAT IF THIS WERE PASSED IT WOULD IN EFFECT MAKE NULL AND VOID ALL OUR RESTRICTIVE GUN LEGISLATION. >> WE LOOKED AT THE AMENDMENTS IN EVERY OTHER STATE, SENATOR, AND THERE IS NO STATE THAT SAYS THAT FELONS CAN'T CARRY GUNS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION. THERE IS N O STATE THAT SAYS THAT CHILDREN CAN'T CARRY GUNS IN THEIR STATE CONSTITUTION. BUT 43 STATES HAVE THIS PROVISION, NOT ONE STATE HAS EVER HAD A LAW BANNING FELONS FROM CARRYING FIREARMS , SHOT DOWN, NULLIFIED IN COURT. NOR CHILDREN NOR MENTALLY ILL , NOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS , NONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES. >> FOR A GUN OWNER , HOW WILL THIS CHANGE? I MEAN, I F THI S AMENDMENT PASSES WHAT WILL BE DIFFERENT? >> THIS REQUIRES THE SAME THINGS THAT EVERY OTHER CIVIL RIGHT THAT WE HAVE REQUIRES. AND THAT IS , THAT BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT CAN INFRINGE ON A RIGHT, THEY HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY I T IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY , POLICE POWERS. SO FOR INSTANCE , BEFORE YOU CAN INFRINGE ON THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH , CRYING FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE HAVE TO D O THIS FOR THIS REASON. FELONS CAN'T CARRY GUN S BECAUSE THEY PRESENT A DANGER. BUT YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING LIKE MADISON SAID A FEW YEARS AGO , WE'RE JUST BANNING GUNS , WE DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT. THE VOTERS DEFEATED IT IN A REFERENDUM AND YET WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE BAN WITHOUT HAVING TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING. >> WELL , LET ME RESPOND TO ALL THOSE. BECAUSE FRANKLY , TH E LEGISLATURE PREEMPTED MADISON, MILWAUKEE , SHEBOYGAN AND A NUMBER OF STATES AND SAID YOU CAN'T PASS ORDINANCES, WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT ON A STATEWIDE BASIS. THAT HAS BEEN HANDLED. LET ME TAL K ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS. TAKE A LOOK AT ILLINOIS. THEY SAY SUBJECT TO THE POLICE POWERS OF THE STATE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. AT 1 0 STATES , SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT YOU COULD NOT CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS O R ELSE THEY PROVIDE THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS THE POWER.A NUMBER OF STATES IN THE AMENDMENTS SPELL OUT THAT EVENTHOUGH YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CARRY ARMS , THE STATE'S LEGISLATURE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS TO WHO CAN AND WHO CAN'T. IN OTHER WORDS -- >> DO YOU FEEL ANY LESS SAFE GOING INTO THE STATES THAT HAVE THIS AMENDMENT IN THEIR CONSTITUTION AS OPPOSED TO THE ONES THAT DON'T? I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHICH SEVEN STATES DON'T HAVE THIS AND WHICH 43 HAVE IT. OR WHICH STATES SAY YOU CAN'T CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON OR WHICH WORD IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND YET WE'RE SAFE IN EACH STATE.>> WHAT ARGUMENT WOULD YOU MAKE TO THE STATE'S 700,000 HUNTERS WHO -- AND WHAT ARGUMENT WOULD YOU MAKE TO THEM TO TELL THEM NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS AMENDMENT? >> THERE IS N O NEED. 700,000 HUNTERS CAN HUNT. THEY HAVE GUNS , PERMITS , THEY CAN HUNT. WE NEVER -- THE STATE IN 150 YEARS HAS NEVER PASSED RESTRICTIVE LEGISLATION UNREASONABLE LEGISLATIONLIMITING THE RIGHT TO HUNT. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS , IT MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN COMPETENT INCOMPETENT PEOPLE. IT COULD VERY WELL BE ARGUED IF THIS PASSES , IF ALL OUR LAWS RESTRICTING THE USE OF GUNS IN SCHOOLS, CONCEALED WEAPONS , ARE -- OUR PROGRAMS FOR TRAINING PEOPLE HOW TO USE GUNS , ALL THOSE COULD BE NULL AND VOID. >> THAT'S NOT THE CASE. >> LET ME ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION PHRASED DIFFERENTLY. GIVE YOUR BEST ARGUMENT TO THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NERVOUS ABOUT CONCEALED WEAPONS OR SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS OR HANDGUNS. WISCONSIN HAS A HERITAGE OF -- A SPORTING HERITAGE. AND WE'VE GOT THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO HUNT, TO PROTECT THEIR HOMES , HAS BEEN A FOUNDATION. THAT'S BEEN CHIPPED AWAY IN PLACES LIKE MADISON WHERE IT , MYSELF AS A HUNTER , LIVING SOUTH OF MADISON , BELONG TO A GUN CLUB NORTH OF MADISON , WHEN I DROVE THROUGH, IF I HAD AMMUNITION FOR THE GUN I WAS GOING TO SHOOT A T THE RANGE , I WAS A CRIMINAL UNDER MADISON'S ORDINANCE. NOW, YES , WE PREEMPTED IT. BUT SENATOR RISSER ARGUED ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE WHEN THE BILL PASSED THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE WILD WEST SHOOTOUTS AND NONE OF THAT HAS COME TO PASS. >> PERHAPS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER THE VOTE , MR. SEITZ. I APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US AND SENATOR FRED RISSER. >> I THINK THE AMENDMENT I S SCARY. >> WELL, IF THE GUN AMENDMENT PASSES, THE NEW LAW WILL BE ENFORCED BY THE STATE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL. SO LET'S TURN TO THAT RACE. IN THE LAST OF OUR CANDIDATE COMMENTARIES SERIES HERE ARE REPUBLICAN LINDA VAN DE WATER AND DEMOCRAT JAMES DOYLE EXPLAINING THEIR CREDENTIALS TO BE THE STATE'S NUMBER ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. >> THE FIRST PRIORITY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MUST BE TO FIGHT CRIME. WISCONSIN TAXPAYERS EXPECT NOTHING LESS FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES THAN TO BE PROTECTED FROM CRIMINALS. THEY EXPECT THEIR CHILDREN TO BE SAFE A T SCHOOL. THEY EXPECT THEIR STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE SAFE PLACES IN WHICH TO WORK AND TO RAISE FAMILIES. I HAVE MADE A CAREER O F FIGHTING CRIME.AS A PROSECUTOR IN WAUKESHA COUNTY, I SPENT THE LAST DECADE AGGRESSIVELY PROSECUTING CRIMINALS AND PUTTING THEM BEHIND BARS. DURING THAT TIME I SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED MORE THAN 3,000 CASES. CRIMES INVOLVING JUVENILES AND ADULTS. CRIMES RANGING FROM MURDER TO TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS. FIGHTING CRIME IS WHAT I KNOW BEST. FIGHTING CRIME IS WHAT I DO BEST. ALL AROUND THIS GREAT STATE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD M E THEY WANT AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO WILL MAKE FIGHTING CRIME THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. THE PEOPLE OF WISCONSIN DESERVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHOSE TOP PRIORITY IT IS TO BE AN ACTIVE AND AGGRESSIVE LEADER IN THE WAR AGAINST CRIME. I WILL BE THAT LEADER. I WILL PROVIDE THE VISION TO LEAD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE INTO THE NEXT CENTURY AND BUILD THE PARTNERSHIPS TO HELP ENSURE WISCONSIN'S SAFETY. >> I N SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS AS THE STATE'S TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER I SET THE AGENDA ON FIGHTING CRIME.I SPEARHEADED THE EFFORT T O PASS TRUTH I N SENTENCING, LED THE FIGHT TO REFORM THE STATE'S JUVENILE CODE , FOUGHT FOR PASSAGE OF A STRONG SEXUAL PREDATOR LAW AND DEFENDED IT IN COURT AND AUTHORED THE STRONGEST LAW TO PROTECT CRIME VICTIMS. WE ESTABLISHED A HOT LINE TO PROVIDE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ON HANDGUN BUYERS. AS A FORMER DISTRICT ATTORNEY I UNDERSTAND WHAT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO DO ITS JOB. IN THE 20 YEARS SINCE I BECAME INVOLVED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN WISCONSIN, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A STRONGER POSITION. THAT EXPLAINS WHY FRONT LINE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS ARE SUPPORTING ME. I'M PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE WISCONSIN PROFESSIONAL POLICE ASSOCIATION, THE MILWAUKEE POLICE ASSOCIATION , AND 5 2 SHERIFFS INCLUDING 31 REPUBLICAN SHERIFFS WHO CROSSED PARTY LINES TO ENDORSE ME. THOSE ARE MY CREDENTIALS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL. >> HERE'S SOME LAST-MINUTE VOTING INFORMATION FOR YOU. MOST POLLS IN WISCONSIN WILL BE OPEN FROM 7:00 A.M. UNTIL 8:00 P.M. CALL YOUR CITY CLERK IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF THE HOURS. ALSO , ANYONE 18 YEARS OR OLDER WHO HAS LIVED IN THE DISTRICTFOR 10 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION CAN VOTE. YOU CAN REGISTER AT THE POLLS. COMING UP , THE "WEEKEND" POLITICAL PANEL. BILL DIXON, STEVE KING AND BILL KRAUS GIVE THEIR FINAL WORDS ON THE ELECTION. THE FINAL "WEEKEND" POLITICAL PANEL OF THE '98 CAMPAIGN IS NEXT ON "WEEKEND." >> 77 MINUTES AND SIX CANDIDATES LATER, HERE WE ARE. TIME TO WRAP UP OUR SPECIAL EDITION OF "WEEKEND" AND PUT THE FINAL TOUCH ON CAMPAIGN '98. WE DRAFTED THE THREE SENIORS. SENIOR ANALYSTS , BILL KRAUS , BILL DIXON AND STEVE KING. WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE KEY RACES IN A MOMENT. FIRST HERE IS WHAT THEY EACH HAD TO SAY ABOUT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND LOWLIGHTS OF CAMPAIGN '98. FIRST THE HIGHS. BILL DIXON SAYS -- WE'LL GIVE STEVE KING THE FIRST THOUGHT ON THAT. >> WELL, WE'RE ALL VETERANS AROUND THE TABLE.I THINK WE LIVED THROUGH THE '86 -- >> I WAS A DRAFT DODGER. I WOULDN'T GO TO VIETNAM. NO WAY. >> YOU'RE A VETERAN. THE GAR VERY-KASTEN CAMPAIGN OF '86. SOME OF THE RACES , NEUMANN. I'M SURPRISED YOU ALL THINK THIS IS A HIGHLY NEGATIVE YEAR. I THINK IT'S IN THE EYES OF THE VIEWER. IT HASN'T BEEN LINEAR. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN LESS PERSONAL ATTACKS THAN IN THE PAST.>> HERE IS WHY I CHOSE THAT. I SAW THE POLL NUMBERS THAT RUSS FEINGOLD'S NEGATIVES WENT FROM 20% TO 45%. WHATEVER YOU CAN SAY ABOUT RUSS FEINGOLD'S STANDS , RUSS FEINGOLD MAY LOSE THIS ELECTION BECAUSE OF -- BECAUSE ALTAR BOY STANCE FOR WHAT'S BEST IN WISCONSIN'S TRADITION. IF PEOPLE THINK HE'S A BAD PERSON BASED ON TELEVISION ADS , I HOPE THEY ARE SO DUMB THEY CAN'T FIND THE VOTING BOOTH ON TUESDAY. >> I THINK WITH THE YEAR , TELEVISION IS THE LSD O F POLITICS. IT FRIES THE BRAIN. VERY NICE PEOPLE HAVE TURNED MEAN AND UGLY DURING THE COURSE OF THIS CAMPAIGN. THERE'S TWO WOMEN WHO WERE ON MOST RECENTLY , FIRST TIME THEY WERE ON RIGHT AFTER THE PRIMARY , POLITE TO EACH OTHER , TALKING ABOUT RUNNING A CIVIL CAMPAIGN. AND IT WENT BAD ON THEM. IT WAS LIKE -- IT -- STOP ME BEFORE I SAY SOMETHING NASTY. AGAIN, TELEVISION TURNS OUT TO BE THE CULPRIT. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT CAMPAIGN -- LET'S LOOK AT THEIR CAMPAIGN LOWLIGHTS. BILL DIXON CITES THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THE CHARACTERS. KRAUS SAYS EVERYTHING NEGATIVE OF WHICH I'M UP TO MY ARMPITS. STEVE KING ADDS SIMPLY , THE MONEY. >> TOMMY THOMPSON SAID THAT ED GARVEY DOES NOT SHARE THE MAINSTREAM VALUES OF WISCONSIN FAMILIES. WENT RIGHT INTO THE KITCHEN OF THE GARVEY HOME AND ATTACKED THIS WONDERFUL FAMILY. SHAME ON THE GOVERNOR. >> SLAM ON EVERYBODY . TOMMY HAD NO BUSINESS GOING ON THE ATTACK OF ED GARVEY.HE DOESN'T NEED TO GO ON THE ATTACK OF ED GARVEY. TOMMY COULD HAVE RUN A CAMPAIGN WITHOUT COMMERCIALS. HE COULD SAY HEY , YOU KNOW ME , I HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. >>LY COULD HAVE RUN A PROXMIRE. >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M NOT GOING T O RUN ANY KMERGS , RUN ON MY RECORD. AND HE CHOSE -- I THINK H E GOT CONFLICTING ADVICE AND FOLLOWED ALL OF IT. >> THE ROOT OF EVIL. MONEY. AND I THINK WE ALL SAW THE OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNTS FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE , MULTIMILLIONS FOR CONGRESSIONAL RACES , A MILLION FOR STATE SENATE. INCREDIBLE. SOMETHING HAS TO STOP THAT. WE EITHER HAVE TO LIFT EVERYTHING AND LET THE MONEY POUR IN , WHICH I THINK WILL HAVE A DILUTING EFFECT OR REALLY RESTRICT IT.>> LET'S WALK THROUGH THESE RACE KEEPING THOSE THINGS IN MIND AND WHAT YOU SEE. BILL DIXON FIRST , PAINT THE BROAD PICTURE ON THESE THREE KEY CONGRESSIONAL RACES THAT NOT ONLY PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN ARE FOCUSING ON BUT PEOPLE AROUNDTHE COUNTRY.THE FIRST AND THE SECOND AND THE EIGHTH DISTRICT UP IN GREEN BAY. >> I'LL DO THAT. FIRST, SINCE I'M A GUEST INVITED I WANT TO SAY T O THE PRODUCTION CREW AND ANDY MOORE THE PRODUCER AND YOU , THANK YOU T O "WEEKEND" FOR THE WAY YOU COVERED THESE RACES. IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I HAVE SEEN SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES EXCEPT WHEN THESE TWO FELLOWS ARE TALKING. I THINK THE CONGRESSIONAL RACE -- >> DITTO. >> -- AT LEAST IN THE FIRST AND SECOND DISTRICT REMAIN CLOSE. I'M GOING TO BE THRILLED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR FIRST FEMALE MEMBER O F CONGRESS. AND YOU'VE GOT SOME VERY GOOD CANDIDATES RUNNING. WE WERE TALKING BEFORE WE CAME TO THIS TABLE TONIGHT. AND I THINK ALL O F U S ARE KIND OF AFRAID TO MAKE PREDICTIONS. MAYBE UP IN THE GREEN BAY AREA , THAT RACE MIGHT NOT BE AS CLOSE AS THE OTHER TWO. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ME TONIGHT ON TAPE SAYING WHO I THINK IS GOING TO WIN THESE RACES. >> I'M NOT AFRAID. I THINK THE STATE IS GOING TO RETURN TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL 5-4 SPLIT. FIVE DEMOCRATS , FOUR REPUBLICANS.I THINK PAUL RYAN WILL WIN IN THE FIRST DISTRICT. I THINK THAT MARK GREEN WILL WIN IN THE EIGHTH. AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WILL REGAIN CONTROL OF THE SECOND. >> BILL KRAUS , YOUR OVERALL PICTURE OF THESE RACES AND WHAT YOU SEE.>> THE THING THAT DISTURBS ME THE MOST ABOUT ALL THREE CAMPAIGNS, AND I HAVE SEEN -- I WAS UP IN GREEN BAY SO I SAW SOME OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE , IS EVERY CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON EMOTIONS. AND IT'S TRIGGER PHRASES AND EMOTIONAL APPEALS. THE INTELLECTUAL CONTENT OF THE CAMPAIGNS HAS DISAPPEARED EXCEPT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND YOU PRESS FOR A DEEPER EXPLANATION OF THE SLOGAN. WE HAVE BECOME VICTIMS OF SLOGANS. I ALMOST PLIS ROSS PEROT. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO THE GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN. THE GOVERNOR DECLINED OUR INVITATION TONIGHT, THOUGH IN FAIRNESS WE SHOULD POINT OUT H E HAS PARTICIPATED IN OUR "WE THE PEOPLE" DEBATE AND OUR COMMENTARIES. ED GARVEY WAS HERE , MADE HIS CASE. BILL DIXON , YOUR VIEW. >> ED GARVEY IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE I CONTRIBUTED TO. A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN I SAW THE WAY MONEY WAS COMING IN I SAID I WILL NEVER CONTRIBUTE TO ANOTHER CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE TO GO T O PUBLIC FINANCING.I DID GIVE THAT DEAR FRIEND MONEY.THE VOTERS SHOULD KNOW THAT. I THINK THE GOVERNOR HAS INSULTED US BY HIS FAILURE TO FILL OUT THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS' QUESTIONNAIRE, BY HIS FAILURE TO ENGAGE IN DEBATES. I UNDERSTAND WHY HE HAS DONE IT BUT I THINK IT'S WRONG AND I THINK IT'S THE REASON WHY ALONG WITH OTHERS THAT BILL HAS MENTIONED PARTICULARLY , WHY WE'LL HAVE THE LOWEST TURNOUT IN HISTORY ON TUESDAY. >> BILL KRAUS. >> WELL , I DON'T DISAGREE WITH TOMMY ON DEBATES. I DON'T LIKE DEBATE. I DON'T LIKE THE FORMAT. I THINK YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DEBATES. OTHER THAN THAT, I SEE -- I'M DISAPPOINTED IN TOMMY'S REVERSION TO ATTACK POLITICS WHICH IS TOTALLY GRATUITOUS AND UNNECESSARY.HE IS GOING T O WIN. I THINK HE I S GOING TO WIN B Y LESS THAN HE SHOULD , AND THOUGHT HE WOULD BECAUSE OF THAT. >> THIS IS A POINT WHERE WE SHOULD SUPER IMPOSE ON THE GREEN BILL KRAUS. HE REALLY IS A REPUBLICAN. STEVE KING? >> TOMMY HAS BEEN GOVERNOR FOR WHAT , 12 YEARS NOW? AND YOU COULD ARGUE , I THINK SUCCESSFULLY, THAT THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE STATE , IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS. IF BILL CLINTON GIVEN HIS TROUBLES, AND IF THE POLLS ARE TO BE BELIEVED IS THAT 68% APPROVAL , CERTAINLY TOMMY THOMPSON IS GOING T O GET 68%. I WANT TO CLARIFY. I DIDN'T SAY TOMMY THOMPSON. HIS CAMPAIGN TACTICS. I WAS WITH THE GOVERNOR A WEEK AGO, HE REMAINS A CHARMING MAN. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE CAMPAIGN IS BEING RUN. >> FINALLY THE U.S. SENATE RACE, THE RACE WHICH EVERYONE HAS LOOKED AT AND PAID ATTENTION TO AROUND THE COUNTRY A S WELL A S HERE IN WISCONSIN. PARTICIPATION, PARTICIPATION, PARTICIPATION, VOTER TURNOUT , IS WHAT EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT IN TERMS OF THIS RACE. WALK US THROUGH HOW YOU SEE IT AND HOW CLOSE IT MAY BE. STEVE? >> WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE. I MEAN , AN INCUMBENT HAS A N ADVANTAGE AND WE HAVE SEEN RUSS'S LEAD VIRTUALLY EVAPORATE. I THINK THAT MARK NEUMANN -- I THINK THE STATE IS KIND OF A 50-50.I THINK ONE REPUBLICAN SENATOR , ONE U.S. SENATOR. THE STATE KIND OF LIKES HIM. RUSS STARTED OUT THAT WAY IN '92.I THINK MARK NEUMANN HAS OUT-MA VERICED HIM. I THINK IT WILL ABLOW TURNOUT YEAR.>> ON THE TURNOUT QUESTION , BILL DIXON , IT'S NOT ONLY A QUESTION OF TURNOUT. IT'S WHO TURNS OUT. HOW DO YOU VIEW THAT? >> WE HAVE THREE GROUPS THAT ALWAYS TURN OUT. THAT'S THOSE 60 AND OVER AND HOMEOWNERS AND THE WEALTHY. ONE THIRD OF THE VOTERS ARE OVER 60 BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T VOTE. WE'RE GOING OVER THE NUMBERS BEFORE THE SHOW. FOUR YEARS AGO WE HAD 41% OF THE PEOPLE TURN OUT.I THINK I COULD WIN THAT CONTEST YOU'RE RUNNING, DAVE , WHEN THEY TELL ME THAT I'M NOT ELIGIBLE. YOU HAVE THREE VARIABLES. THIS GUN CONTROL ISSUE. WILL THOSE PEOPLE TURN OUT. THEY ARE NOT TRADITIONAL VOTERS. WILL PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUTSOCIAL SECURITY AND ABORTION. AND THE NEUMANN ADS ARE TARGETED AT SOCIAL SECURITY AND ABORTION. DAVE, WE USED TO LOOK AT AND STANDS ON ISSUES AS A WAY TO LOOK THROUGH A WEB TO GET TO A CANDIDATE'S CHARACTER, THEIR INTEGRITY, THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS. THE WAY IT SEEMS TO BE GOING NOW IS THEY ARE PUTTING UP THOSE ADS ON ABORTION , AND FLAG BURNING AND SAYING STOP RIGHT THERE AND VOTE ON THE BASIS OF THE AD. NOT ON THE BASIS OF THE CANDIDATE BEHIND THEM. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TURN LOWER VOTER TURNOUT. >> THE NATIONAL PRESS , AS EVIDENCED BY THE LEHRER REPORT EARLIER TONIGHT, IS REGARDING THE RACE AS A REFERENDUM O N CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. I THINK THAT'S BALONEY. I THINK I F RUSS MADE A MISTAKE HE MADE THAT HIS ISSUE , NOBODY CARES. FOR SOME REASON W E DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. >> SO HE'S A NIGHT IN -- KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR RIDING A HORSE THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT. >> HE'S TILTING AT A WIND MILL THAT ISN'T TURNING. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. >> AND COMMITTING HIS -- MAYBE POLITICAL SUICIDE. IF HE WINS HE MAY SET AN INTERESTING PRECEDENT IN GOING FORWARD.IF HE LOSES , THERE IS THE SAME REALISTIC LESSON NOT LOST O N FUTURE CANDIDATES. >> LET ME RETURN FINALLY THEN IN THE JUST 45 SECONDS OR SO WE HAVE LEFT, TO WHAT WE ALL STARTED OUT TALKING , WHICH WAS ALL OF YOU DECRYING THE NATURE OF CAMPAIGNS , THE ROLE OF TELEVISION AND MONEY. AND YET YOU TWO , BILL AND STEVE , SEEM TO BE SAYING RUSS HAS MADE A MISTAKE. THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S A PROBLEM. >> THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RACE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR THE U.S. SENATE. IF RUSS, WITH ALL THIS MONEY FROM BANKING AND MINING AND TOBACCO IN THERE, THERE'S GOT T O BE ONE PERSON THAT CAN COME BACK TO WASHINGTON AND SAY I STOOD UP AGAINST IT AND I WON. BECAUSE IF RUSS DOESN'T DO THAT , OUR DEMOCRACY -- >> GOOD POINT. >> HE'S SPENDING $3.7 MILLION. THIS IS NOT POPCORN. >> THE ONLY VOTE THAT COUNTS IS THE ORGANIZEAL VOTE IN JANUARY. TO BE THERE YOU HAVE TO WIN. >> STEVE KING , BILL DIXON , BILL KRAUS , SENIOR PANELISTS ALL. THANKS.PATTY? >> REMEMBER TO GET YOUR ENTRIES IN FOR OUR "WEEKEND" ELECTION DAY CONTEST. JUST SEND YOUR GUESS AS TO HOW MANY ACTUAL VOTERS YOU THINK WILL CAST BALLOTS ON TUESDAY. IF YOU ARE THE CLOSEST WITHOUT GOING OVER, YOU WILL WIN TWO TICKETS TO THE U.W.-MINNESOTA FOOTBALL GAME.ALL ENTRIES MUST BE POSTMARKED BY MONDAY. WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE WINNER OF OUR CONTEST IN OUR TRADITIONAL "WEEKEND" ELECTION HANGOVER SHOW NEXT FRIDAY. THAT'S WHEN WE PARTY WITH WINNERS, LOSERS , CAMPAIGN STAFFERS, POLITICAL PANELISTS , RECORDERS AND ANYONE ELSE WE CAN THINK OF. MUSIC IS BY THE LEO SIDRAN TRY YO. NEXT FRIDAY AT 7:00 P.M. SEE YOU THEN. IN THE MEANTIME, BE SURE TO GET OUT AND VOTE ON TUESDAY. THANKS FOR JOINING US. GOOD NIGHT. - Realtime Captioning by - WISCONSIN CAPTIONING COMPANY Ph. 920-451-7822 TTY 920-451-1892