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,
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Y
% DISCUSS "SKIN DEEP IN
% WISCONSIN."
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I
THOUGHT THAT VIDEO WAS KIND
OF
BUNK.
I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS BECAUSE
I
THOUGHT THEY DID A LOT TO
REINFORCE STEREOTYPES.
THEY HAD THE ASIAN LADY PLAY
ING
THE PIANO.
(laughter)
THEY HAD THE ANGRY BLACK WOM
AN
TALKING.
AND THEN, THEY HAD LIKE A
CONFEDERATE WHITE GUY.
AND WHAT WAS WITH THAT WHITE
PERSONS' CAUCUS ?
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT ?
WHY WERE THEY JUST REINFORCI
NG
GROUP--
WHY WEREN'T THEY HAVING
INTER-GROUP TALKS.
WHY DID THEY SELF-SEGREGATE
THEMSELVES ?
>> I WAS LOOKING AT THE NAME
S
AND THE PLACES.
AND I KNOW THEY--
I'M SURE THEY TRIED TO MAKE
IT--
YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY SIMILA
R
GROUP, IN TERMS OF THE
COMPOSITION OF THE GROUP, AS
THIS ONE.
BUT FOR TRYING TO BE NATIONW
IDE,
I DON'T THINK THEY DID SUCH
A
GREAT JOB WITH THAT AT ALL.
I WAS WONDERING, LIKE, WHAT
HAPPENED TO OTHER UNIVERSITI
ES
IN THE SOUTH, IN THE MIDWEST
?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MIDWEST
?
>> RACE ISN'T EVENLY DISTRIB
UTED
THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES
.
SO, I MEAN THOSE PEOPLE IN T
HE
SOUTH--
I MEAN, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE
MUCH
TO CONTRIBUTE, BECAUSE THEY
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN--
I THINK THEY NEED TO--
IN ORDER TO HAVE A REAL
DIALOGUE, THEY NEED TO HAVE
PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T TOTALLY
IGNORANT, YOU KNOW.
>> BUT THEN, YOU HAVE THAT G
UY,
THE BLOND-HAIRED, BLUE-EYED
GUY,
THE "CONFEDERACY GUY,"
WHO "A," DIDN'T REALLY KNOW
MUCH ABOUT THE WHOLE RACE
CONCEPT, AND "B," SEEMED ALM
OST
PROUD OF IT.
SO, YOU CAN DEFINITELY HAVE
THAT.
LIKE, ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF
IGNORANCE, I THINK, YOU CAN
HAVE
THE DIALOGUE THERE.
BECAUSE, HE'S SURROUNDED BY
PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, "HEY
LOOK, HOLD ON A SEC, WAKE UP
,
YOU CAN'T JUST SURROUND YOUR
SELF
WITH THIS IDEA THAT YOU CAN
GO
TO FOOTBALL GAMES AND TRY TO
THINK UP HOW MANY DIFFERENT
WAYS
YOU CAN CALL AFRICAN AMERICA
NS
DIFFERENT," YOU KNOW.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IGNORANC
E
CAN ALMOST BE--
NOT ENHANCED--
q■q■q■q■q■
I MEAN, DEALT WITH BY THE FA
CT
THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH
DIFFERENT TYPES OF RACISM AN
D
DIFFERENT--
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A
DIFFERENT CULTURE ON EVERY
CAMPUS.
BUT IT SEEMED TO BE ME THAT
THEY
WERE REALLY, REALLY LIMITED
FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
THEY HAD THERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK THEY DID THAT
PURPOSELY, BECAUSE THEY WANT
ED
TO DRAW STRONG REACTIONS.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, WE HAVE NO
T
BEEN AS EMOTIONAL AS THEY WE
RE.
(laughter)
WE'RE SO MUCH MORE CENTRALIZ
ED.
>> YOU NOTICE WE'RE GETTING
THERE NOW, THOUGH.
LIKE, AFTER WATCHING THAT, I
F
YOU NOTICE HOW THE DIALOGUE
IS
GOING, WHEW !
>> BUT DON'T YOU THINK THAT
THEY REALLY BROUGHT UP A LOT
OF
GOOD ISSUES, REALLY, YOU KNO
W,
MEATY-- ?
>> I WANT TO SHIFT THE FOCUS
AND TALK ABOUT MINORITIES AN
D
PARTICIPATING IN SCHOOL
ACTIVITIES AND LIKE SCHOOL
SPIRIT ACTIVITIES.
AND LIKE, ONE OF THE GIRLS
SAID THAT SHE DOESN'T SEE A
LOT OF--
WHY DON'T MINORITIES COME TO
THEIR FUNCTIONS ?
AND WHY DON'T WE DO THIS OR
WHY DON'T WE DO THAT ?
>> WELL, I THINK SOMETIMES,
IF
THINGS ARE FORCEFUL, THAT--
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, SOMETIME
S
I THINK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
SE
QUOTAS AND STUFF, LIKE, IF Y
OU
FORCE PEOPLE TOGETHER, LIKE,
THERE'S GONNA TO BE CLASHING
MORE.
WHEREAS, IF YOU LIKE, JUST L
ET
THEM, LIKE--
I THINK WE GET ALONG JUST
GREAT, BECAUSE, LIKE, WE'RE
ALL LIKE, YOU KNOW, "I WANT
TO
DO THIS" AND LIKE, WILLING T
O
DO IT.
BUT WHEREAS, IF YOU FORCE
PEOPLE TOGETHER, IT'S LIKE..
.
>> BUT WHY ARE WE HERE ?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
>> BECAUSE WE'RE MULTI-RACIA
L.
WE'RE A MULTI-RACIAL GROUP.
I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT
THIS GROUP WOULD HAVE ASSEMB
LED
BY ITSELF.
(laughter)
>> NO, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE TH
E
PARTICIPATION AND STUFF--
MY, LIKE, MILITANT, ALSO,
REACTION WOULD BE, WE HAVE T
O
PARTICIPATE IN YOUR ACTIVITI
ES
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING ?
BY ATTENDING CLASS, BY EATIN
G
IN THE CAFETERIA, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S THE ACTIVITIES RIGHT
THERE.
NOW, A QUICK CASE IN POINT,
ON
THIS CAMPUS RIGHT HERE AND J
UST
WITH THIS COMMUNITY, HOW MAN
Y
OF YOU ALL KNEW THAT THE
HOMECOMING QUEEN WAS AFRICAN
AMERICAN ?
>> I FOUND THAT OUT BECAUSE
THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
>> EXACTLY.
SHE'S LIKE THE SECOND ONE.
IN THE PAST, THEY'VE
PUBLICIZED THAT STUFF, LIKE,
SO MUCH.
AND EVEN, I'M A DELTA, OKAY
?
IT'S A BLACK SORORITY.
THERE ARE 12 OF US ON THIS
CAMPUS RIGHT NOW--
WELL, UNDERGRAD.
AND WE PARTICIPATED IN THAT
"YELL LIKE HELL" THING.
NOW, YOU CAN ARGUE, YEAH,
THAT'S A WHOLE FOOTBALL SPOR
TS
THINGS, YOU KNOW-- DA, DA, D
A,
DA.
BUT THAT IS A PRIMARILY WHIT
E
ACTIVITY.
THERE WERE 12 OF US.
YOU GO ON UP STAGE, WHATEVER
,
YOU YELL LIKE HELL, AND THEN
YOU SEE WHO WINS.
WE GOT UP THERE--
AND GRANTED, THERE WERE GROU
PS
OF LIKE 150 PEOPLE DOING IT.
AND WE, LIKE, JUST KICKED IT
,
WE WON.
THEY HAD A TWO-MINUTE SEGMEN
T
ON CHANNEL 15--
SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN
SAY THAT--
AT THAT NIGHT, A TWO-MINUTE
SEGMENT, WHICH IS LONG FOR
TELEVISION--
NOT A WORD.
NOT THAT WE WON, NOT THAT WE
EVEN PARTICIPATED.
THEY CUT BACK TO THE SAME
PEOPLE, THEY PANNED OUT OF
EVERYTHING, NOT A WORD.
AND WHO EVEN HEARD THAT
MARKESHA WON ?
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOU
T.
WHEN WE DO PARTICIPATE, WHAT
?
WHAT ?
>> I SORT OF LIKE THE IDEA O
F
BLACK GRADUATION SO MUCH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ON
E
HERE.
BUT ALL OF THE SCHOOLS THAT
MY
FAMILY--
THAT RELATIVES OF MY FAMILY
HAVE GRADUATED FROM, THEY'VE
ALL HAD BLACK GRADUATIONS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, GRADUATIONS
ARE SO HUGE ANYWAY, YOU DON'
T
GET INDIVIDUAL--
THEY DON'T CALL OUT YOUR NAM
E,
BECAUSE THERE ARE LIKE
THOUSANDS OF Y'ALL SITTING
THERE IN THE HOT SUN, WAITIN
G
TO GET YOUR DIPLOMA.
SO, BLACK GRADUATION--
THEY CELEBRATE.
WE KNOW HOW HARD OUR STRUGGL
E
WAS AND CELEBRATE THOSE WHO
HAVE MADE IT.
AND I MEAN...
>> DON'T YOU THINK THAT SORT
OF PERPETUATES THINGS ?
I MEAN, I THROW THAT OUT.
>> I THINK, FOR ME PERSONALL
Y,
AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR
MYSELF, THE REASON WHY I GO
TO
MINORITY--
MAJORITY BLACK FUNCTIONS OR
BLACK STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS,
IS BECAUSE IT GIVES ME A SEN
SE
OF BELONGINGNESS.
I FEEL LIKE I BELONG THERE,
BECAUSE WHEN I WALK IN THERE
,
I DON'T BE LOOKED AT FUNNY.
LIKE, OKAY, "WHAT IS THIS
BLACK MAN," OR SOME MAY
EVEN BE THINKING "NIGGER"
DOING HERE ?
OR, I FEEL I CAN RELATE TO M
Y
BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS,
YOU KNOW.
>> I HAVE TO DEFINITELY AGRE
E
WITH THAT.
AND ESPECIALLY, I THINK, IT
WAS SOMEWHAT THE MAIN POINT
OF
THE EPILOGUE THAT WAS SAID
AFTER THAT.
IN THAT, THE ONE GENTLEMAN W
AS
SAYING HOW HE MADE A POINT T
O
GO TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
PLACES, EVEN IF IT WAS OUT O
F
HIS WAY, BECAUSE HE FELT LIK
E
HE OWED IT TO THAT GENTLEMAN
,
BRIAN.
I THINK, TO AN EXTENT, THAT
MIGHT HAPPEN WITH US.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE NO
LONGER COMING HERE A FEW
MONTHS FROM NOW, WILL WE GO
OFF BACK INTO OUR OWN SEPARA
TE
GROUPS--
NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THE POI
NT
TO GO TO THE VARIOUS RACIAL
SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW FOR ONE THING, FROM M
Y
FRATERNITY A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO, WE DID SOMETHING WITH A
N
AFRICAN-AMERICAN FRATERNITY.
IT WAS ALL GREAT.
WE ALL HAD A GREAT TIME, FRO
M
WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
I WASN'T ON CAMPUS AT THE TI
ME.
AND AFTERWARD, WE SEPARATED.
I DON'T THINK THOSE GUYS EVE
R
SAW EACH OTHER AGAIN, 'CAUSE
WE WENT BACK TO OUR OWN
SEPARATE PARTS OF CAMPUS.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE
NOTICED TONIGHT--
BUT FIRST OF ALL, I CAN'T TE
LL
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWIS
H
AND WHITE.
I THINK THEY'RE THE SAME THI
NG.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT T
HE
REST OF YOU, BUT TO ME THEY'
RE
THE SAME DARN PERSON.
AND THEN, IT SHOWS TONIGHT,
ALSO, THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A
WHITE AND BLACK ISSUE, BECAU
SE
WHO'S MAKING MOST OF THE
COMMENTS HERE.
EITHER THE JEWISH/WHITE PEOP
LE
OR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T MAD
E
A COMMENT, YOU HAVEN'T MADE
A
COMMENT.
I MEAN, I'M THE ONLY ONE TAL
KING
RIGHT NOW.
SPEAK UP !
(laughter)
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE
.
I THINK HE HAS MADE SOME
POINTS...
>> I DO.
AND ALSO, ABOUT THE AFRICAN
AMERICAN THING...
>> I THINK YOU'RE FORGETTING
THAT HISAM IS NOT JEWISH.
>> YOU'RE NOT ?
WELL, EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKIN
G
ABOUT JEWISH.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THI
NK.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S THE SAME
.
>> I ALSO THINK THAT YOU'RE
NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RACE AND
CULTURE.
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.
>> THIS IS CALLED "SKIN DEEP
."
>> BUT THEN, WHY ARE WE HERE
?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
>> GOOD POINT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MO
RE
PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN YE
T
ABOUT WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT WH
AT
SHE SAID.
AND IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN AS
K
LAURA TO BRING IT UP.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT YOU
HAVE TO AGREE WITH HER.
>> NO, YOU DON'T.
IN FACT, THAT'S KIND OF MY
PROBLEM WITH ALL YOU PEOPLE,
IS YOU'RE TOO P.C.
>> PEOPLE, I'M SURE, LOOK AT
YOU AND THINK YOU'RE WHITE,
YOU KNOW.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
>> RIGHT.
>> ONE OF THE GIRLS WAS SAYI
NG
ON THERE--
YOU KNOW, THE JEWISH GIRL.
I WOULD CALL HER THE "TOKEN
JEWISH GIRL," TO MAKE IT BE
A
NICE, DIVERSE GROUP.
SHE SAID IT PERFECTLY, WE
DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
SAME PROBLEMS THAT SOMEBODY
AFRICAN AMERICAN, THAT--
YOU KNOW, THAT'S PURELY
AFRICAN AMERICAN WOULD HAVE
TO
DEAL WITH, BECAUSE WE CAN JU
ST
RETREAT.
NOBODY HAS TO EVER KNOW THAT
I'M JEWISH, EXCEPT FOR THAT
I'M PROUD OF IT.
I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE FACT
THAT I'M JEWISH.
AND I'M PROUD OF THE FACT TH
AT
I'M NOT ONLY JEWISH, I'M
ISRAELI.
>> I GUESS I WANTED TO KIND
OF
SEE WHERE THIS WAS GOING.
BUT WHEN THAT GIRL HAD SPOKE
N
ON "SKIN DEEP" AND HAD SAID
THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHY SHE
WAS THROWN INTO THE WHITE CA
UCUS
GROUP--
AND I'M TRYING TO TIE THIS I
N
TO YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER--
WHETHER SHE DIDN'T RELATE TO
THEM OR NOT, I THINK IT WAS
APPROPRIATE TO PUT HER IN TH
E
DISCUSSION WITH THE GROUP.
BECAUSE, IF WE'RE TALKING AB
OUT
RACE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TH
IS
SYSTEMATIC DIVISION OF GROUP
S
OF PEOPLE BASED ON PIGMENT.
AND WHETHER WE KNOW IF SHE I
S
JEWISH OR NOT, SHE STILL HAS
POWER BECAUSE OF HER LIGHT S
KIN.
AND THAT'S--
I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WER
E
TRYING TO TIE IT IN...
>> YEAH, AND YOU DID IT SO W
ELL.
>> 'CAUSE I KIND OF SAW WHER
E
YOU WERE COMING FROM.
(laughter)
I DIDN'T TAKE ANY OFFENSE TO
YOUR COMMENT.
I'M SURE THAT MAYBE YOU HAVE
N'T
EITHER.
BUT THERE'S STILL THAT.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT Y
OU
WERE JEWISH UNTIL YOU TOLD U
S,
YOU
OW.
AND SO, YOU STILL HAVE THE P
OWER
OF BEING WHITE, OF HAVING LI
GHT
SKIN, AND NOT THE SAME AS CA
T
MAY OR AS PRIMA MAY, BECAUSE
THEY HAVE DARK SKIN.
>> BUT BEHIND THAT, IS A STO
RY
THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERE
NT
FROM SAY, SOMEBODY LIKE THAT
GUY, THE CONFEDERACY GUY.
I FEEL BAD FOR NOT EVEN
REMEMBERING THESE PEOPLE'S
NAMES.
BUT THE CONFEDERACY GUY,
YOU KNOW, TO ME, HE REPRESEN
TS
THE CLASSIC AMERICAN BOY BRO
UGHT
UP IN, YOU KNOW, YOUR PERFEC
T
FAMILY THAT JUST HAD THE
ALL-AMERICAN VALUES, AND THE
N
SUDDENLY COMES TO COLLEGE AN
D
IS HIT WITH THE WORLD.
>> NO, THAT GUY, THERE WAS S
O
MUCH ANGER AND HATE THAT HE
WAS
LIKE, HE WAS LIKE THE TYPICA
L--
LIKE, I WOULD SAY THE TYPICA
L
SOUTHERN--
LIKE, OH MY GOSH, HE RAISED
IN
THE MOST RACIST FAMILY I'VE
EVER SEEN.
LIKE, I'M EMBARRASSED.
THERE'S SO MANY TIMES, LIKE-
-
THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MOV
IES,
YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE BEEN OUT
,
AND I'M SO EMBARRASSED TO BE
WHITE.
I JUST SIT THERE AND I'M LIK
E,
"OH MY GOSH, PLEASE TELL ME
I'M
NOT WHITE.
TELL ME I'M NOT WHITE."
THESE PEOPLE JUST EMBARRASS
ME.
AND SO, NO, HE'S NOT TYPICAL
,
STANDARD, LIKE, NO.
(laughter)
>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD, THO
UGH,
I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE
COMING FROM, BECAUSE I GUESS
I
WOULD PROBABLY FEEL THE SAME
.
BUT WE CAN'T REALLY--
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO CONDEM
N
HIM FOR HAVING THOSE THOUGHT
S,
BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
HIS FAMILY, YOU KNOW.
AND I'M LIKE, PROUD OF MY FA
MILY
AND THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
AND I CAN'T--
WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY FOUG
HT
IN THE CONFEDERACY, AND
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T AGREE WIT
H
WHAT THE CONFEDERACY WAS ABO
UT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S
HIS FAMILY.
AND I KIND OF WAS LIKE--
I DIDN'T SEE HIM AS A TOTAL
RACIST.
I DID, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
I SAW HIM AS, WELL, THAT'S H
IS
FAMILY.
I WOULD FEED BAD IF SOMEBODY
TOLD ME NOT TO BE PROUD OF M
Y
FAMILY, YOU KNOW.
>> THEY TALK A LOT ABOUT
INDIVIDUAL CHOICE IN THERE
ABOUT CHOOSING YOUR OWN APPR
OACH
TO THINGS.
AND I THINK, IF YOU'RE TOO
RELIANT ON YOUR FAMILY
BACKGROUND, IF YOU PLACE TOO
MUCH EMPHASIS ON IT, THEN YO
U'RE
SACRIFICING SOME OF YOUR
INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, AND YOU'R
E
JUST PERPETUATING OLD IDEAS.
>> I DON'T THINK IT HURTS US
AT ALL TO BE PROUD OF WHO YO
U
ARE, TO BE PROUD OF YOUR
FAMILY, TO BE PROUD OF YOUR
CULTURE OR YOUR BACKGROUND.
BUT I THINK WHERE RACIST COM
ES
IN, IS WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU
R
RACE IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER
RACE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CO
LOR
OF YOUR SKIN.
THAT'S RACISM.
BUT IT'S NO PROBLEM BEING
PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE.
AND I THINK ENCOURAGE--
HE CAME FROM A FAMILY WHERE
HE
HAD HIS GRANDPARENTS FOUGHT
IN
THE CONFEDERACY--
I DON'T THINK I'M GETTING TH
IS
RIGHT--
AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO LEA
RN
ABOUT THAT.
YOU LEARN ABOUT HISTORY, YOU
WON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES
TWICE.
BUT THEN, YOU HAVE TO ALSO
SAY, "I'M LIVING IN A NEW TI
ME."
AND IT'S TIME, YOU KNOW, IF
YOU
WANT TO BE EQUAL, AND WE WAN
T TO
MAKE THIS CHANGE AND WE WANT
TO
MAKE THIS, I GUESS, EGALITAR
IAN
OR WHATEVER, THEN WE NEED TO
START, YOU KNOW--
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REALIZE T
HAT
OUR FATE IS ALL TIED TOGETHE
R.
AND THAT'S WHEN I REALIZED--
'CAUSE I READ THE BOOK,
THE FIRE NEXT TIME,
BY JAMES BALDWIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS, WE'
RE
NOT SEPARATE, WE'RE NOT.
AND WE'RE LIVING--
WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IF I
GO
DOWN, WE ALL GO DOWN.
>> JUST BEFORE THAT, THE
"CONFEDERATE GUY."
NO ONE KNOWS HIS NAME, HUH ?
HE COULDN'T TAKE HIS BEST FR
IEND
OVER TO HIS GRANDFATHER'S
OR GRANDPARENTS' HOUSE.
AND THAT WAS JUST AMAZING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE GU
Y
FROM BOSTON OR WHEREVER HE W
AS
FROM, HE DIDN'T TELL HIS DAD
THAT HE WAS IN THE GOSPEL CH
OIR.
SO, THEY BOTH HAVE THAT, TOO
.
I CAN'T EVER IMAGINE NEVER
TAKING MY FRIENDS OVER, HOME
.
I'M SO PROUD OF MY FAMILY,
THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW ME, YO
U
KNOW MY FAMILY.
SO, I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK ANOTHER THING THA
T
WAS INTERESTING IS THAT HOW
THERE WAS--
ONE OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN
PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY GREW U
P,
THOUGH, WITH THEIR GRANDFATH
ER
OR SOMETHING SAYING HOW MUCH
HE HATED WHITE PEOPLE.
AND LIKE, THAT'S ONE THING T
HAT
I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS, LIKE,
TALKED ABOUT.
LIKE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALK
ED
ABOUT THAT A LOT, IS LIKE, H
OW
RACISM IS TWO WAYS, YOU KNOW
.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE WHITE PEO
PLE
SAYING, "OH, PEOPLE OF COLOR
ARE
BAD."
IT'S ALSO LIKE, THERE'S LOTS
OF, LIKE, MINORITIES HATING
WHITE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.
>> NO, I MEAN--
SURE, IT DOES FEEL.
YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU HAVE
SOMEONE NOT LIKE YOU BASED O
N
YOUR SKIN ?
BUT YOU'RE NOT BEING DENIED
GOING TO CERTAIN SCHOOLS.
YOU'RE NOT BEING DENIED
GETTING CERTAIN PROMOTIONS.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW--
BECAUSE SOMEONE OF COLOR DOE
SN'T
LIKE YOU OR FEELS YOU'RE
INFERIOR, BECAUSE THE POWER
DYNAMIC THERE IS...
>> THERE ARE WHITE PEOPLE BE
ING
DENIED POSITIONS BECAUSE OF
THEIR RACE.
SO, I WOULDN'T OVERLOOK THAT
.
>> WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS ?
THEY'RE GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW
.
WE HAVE A LARGE NATIVE AMERI
CAN
POPULATION HERE.
WHERE ARE THEY ?
EVEN MY OWN PEOPLE, PEOPLE O
F
MY OWN BACKGROUND,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS KE
EP
GOING DOWN.
EVERYBODY'S FROM--
ANYONE WHO IS LATINO IS FROM
"ANOTHER COUNTRY."
AND THEY OUTNUMBER STUDENTS
WHO
LIVE HERE.
I GREW UP IN WISCONSIN AND
NOBODY ELSE IS HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUDENTS I
KNOW
THAT SHOULD BE HERE AND THEY
'RE
NOT.
% >> LET'S TAKE JUST A MOMENT
TO
% VISIT WISCONSIN PUBLIC
% TELEVISION'S "SKIN DEEP IN
% WISCONSIN" WEB SITE.
% OUR WEB DESIGNER HAS CREATED
% AN EXCITING SOURCE FOR YOU T
O
% LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROJEC
T.
% CLICK TO: WWW.WPT.ORG/SKINDE
EP
% YOU'LL BE ON THE HOME PAGE O
F
% "SKIN DEEP IN WISCONSIN."
% CATCH THAT PHOTO OF THE U.W.
% STUDENTS.
% GO BEHIND THE SCENES TO SEE
% HOW IT ALL BEGAN.
% READ WHAT THE STUDENTS THINK
.
% CHECK OUT THE NATIONAL
% "SKIN DEEP" WEB SITE.
% JOIN THE CHAT AREA,
% EXCHANGING IDEAS ABOUT RACE.
% AGAIN, OUR WEB SITE ADDRESS
IS:
% WWW.WPT.ORG/SKINDEEP
% AND NOW, LET'S REJOIN THE
% STUDENTS FOR MORE "SKIN DEEP
% IN WISCONSIN."
>> UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY HA
VE
A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME LEFT.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET.
LIKE, JAMES, WHAT WERE SOME
OF
THE ISSUES THAT REALLY JUMPE
D
OUT AT YOU IN THE VIDEO THAT
YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LIT
TLE
BIT ABOUT FROM THE GROUP ?
>> WELL, I WROTE DOWN A FEW
THINGS--
"RUGGED INDIVIDUALISM," THAT
KIND OF STUCK IN MY MIND.
BECAUSE, FOR NATIVE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S MORE
GROWING UP ON A RESERVATION,
WE'RE MORE COMMUNITY BASED.
COMING TO A UNIVERSITY IS MO
RE--
I LOOK AT IT AS--
OR, IT'S LOOKED UPON AS GOIN
G
OUT IN THE WHITE MAN'S WORLD
.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LEAVING THE
RESERVATION AND YOU'RE GOING
OUT IN THE WHITE MAN'S WORLD
.
THAT'S HOW I GREW UP SEEING
IT.
THAT'S HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT IT
,
I THINK.
THAT JUST STUCK OUT IN MY MI
ND,
BECAUSE BACK HOME ON THE
RESERVATION, WE'RE MORE
COMMUNITY BASED.
COMING HERE, IT'S MORE "RUGG
ED
INDIVIDUALISM."
AND THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE
cccc
o
TWO, I GUESS, IS TRYING TO M
AKE
IT, I DON'T KNOW.
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD
COMPARISON, JAMES.
I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
I CAUGHT THE RUGGED
INDIVIDUALISM THING.
I KIND OF THOUGHT TO MYSELF,
"GOD, AM I DOING THAT ?"
BUT IT'S TRUE, THOUGH.
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS TRUE.
I COME FROM THE RESERVATION,
TOO.
AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE
FEELINGS, THE BELIEFS THAT W
E
HAVE ARE ON A COMMUNITY-BASE
D
LEVEL.
AND IT'S HARD TO COME HERE A
ND
TRY TO CHANGE YOURSELF
INDIVIDUALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE
THAT TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILI
TY
TO REFLECT AND TRY TO CHANGE
THINGS ON A COMMUNITY LEVEL,
AS WELL.
>> AND I THINK THAT MIGHT GO
BACK AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, ABOU
T
RACE AND CULTURE AND ETHNICI
TY.
BECAUSE, I FIND THAT IN ASIA
N
CULTURES, TOO.
IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT THE
COMMUNITY.
IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUALISM
.
I HEAR IN AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITIES, IT'S ABOUT "IF
YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, YOU
TURN BACK AND YOU HELP YOUR
PEOPLE BACK UP THERE..."
>> AND ALSO CULTURALLY, TOO.
YOU NOTICED THE WHITE FAMILI
ES
IN THERE THAT WERE BEING
"CULTURATED"--
WERE GOING BACK TO THEIR
FAMILIES, RUNNING AND SAYING
,
"OH, THIS IS GREAT !"
I WAS IN THIS BLACK AWARENES
S
WEEK."
YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T,
YOU KNOW, BRAGGING THESE NEW
CULTURATED THINGS THAT MADE
THEM
A BETTER PERSON--
AND I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF
THOUGHT--
AND ACTUALLY, FROM THE
NATIVE-AMERICAN CULTURE, THO
UGH,
I DO RUN BACK HOME AND SAY,
"WOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TEL
L ME
TO BE HOMOPHOBIC, BUT I MET
A
TON OF GAY PEOPLE AND THEY'R
E
JUST AWESOME !"
(laughter)
"AND THEY HAVE THE BEST MUSI
C
AND THE DANCE CLUBS EVER,"
YOU KNOW.
(laughter)
I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO
COME BACK AND SHARE NEW CULT
URE
THINGS THAT THEY ARE NOT EXP
OSED
TO.
AND THEY COME TO MADISON,
AND THEY'RE FREAKED TO GO
DOWN STATE STREET.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE VAMPIRES
ALL OVER THE PLACE TO THEM.
(laughter)
IT REALLY IS.
IT SOUNDS FUNNY.
I LOVE OBSERVING MY FAMILY
WALKING AROUND HERE, JUST IN
MADISON, WISCONSIN.
AND IT'S NICE TO SHARE THAT
CULTURE WITH THEM, BECAUSE T
HEY
ENJOY IT.
AND IT'S A PRIORITY FOR ME T
O
SHARE THAT WITH THEM, NOT TO
HIDE IT FROM THEM AND DO THI
S
INDIVIDUALLY, LIKE YOU SAID.
PEOPLE TRY TO GO AND DO THIN
GS
TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL SUCCESSE
S,
GO, YOU KNOW, LIVE OFF IN PA
RIS,
OR GO DOWN BY THE EQUATOR AN
D DO
SOME PHENOMENAL THING THAT'S
GOING MAKE A BIG DENT IN OUR
WORLD TODAY, YOU KNOW.
WE DON'T FIND THAT.
AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH A
LITTLE THING WE HAVE, "YOU'L
L
NEVER SEE A RICH INDIAN."
WHICH IS THE TRUTH, YOU WILL
NEVER SEE--
I HAVEN'T, YET--
A RICH INDIAN.
BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO,
IS THEY'RE SO COMMUNITY BASE
D,
THEIR SUCCESSES ARE SO EQUAL
LY
DISTRIBUTED TO THE REST OF T
HE
COMMUNITY, THE RESERVATION,
THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR PEOPLE
,
THAT THEY NEVER FIND THEMSEL
VES,
YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE ARE
A.
AND I ALWAYS THINK OF FROGS
JUMPING OUT OF A BUCKET, WHE
RE
EVERYBODY'S STEPPING ON
EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO GET
OUT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TO AN
EXTENT, YOU KNOW, IN MODERN
DAYS, I'M STARTING TO SEE TH
AT
IN TRIBAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S
NOT
LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL.
>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT
I
THINK WHEN WE DO THAT, IT AL
SO
GOES TO FINDING A SAFE SPACE
.
AND IT JUST MADE ME REMEMBER
TAMMY'S COMMENT IN THE BEGIN
NING
OF THE SEGMENT.
AND I'VE HEARD THIS ECHOED O
UT
FROM STUDENTS, WHO I KNOW AR
E
SATISFYING THEIR ETHNIC STUD
IES
REQUIREMENT, WHEN THEY SAY T
HAT
THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE.
AND IT'S IN ETHNIC STUDIES
CLASS, WHICH IS WHERE I USUA
LLY
FEEL SAFE AND WHERE I FINALL
Y
CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS I
WANT.
BECAUSE I CAN NEVER DO THAT
IN THE REST OF MY CLASSES,
THE REST OF THE DAY,
THE REST OF THE YEAR.
I MEAN, AND I JUST WANTED
TO TIE THAT TO WHEN WE DO GO
AND SEEK OUT EACH OTHER,
BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY NET.
IT'S A WAY OF FEELING SAFE
FROM A CAMPUS THAT--
WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR GUARD A
LL
THE TIME.
AND IT ALSO MADE ME THINK OF
THE OTHER COMMENT--
ONE OF THE BLACK WOMEN HAD S
AID
ON THE VIDEO, "THAT IT FINAL
LY
GIVES US TIME TO REST," YOU
KNOW.
>> WHEN, FOR ME, I GET TO,
MAYBE, IN THE POSITION OF
GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO
KNOW SO MANY DIFFERENT THING
S,
AND GETTING TO KNOW, LIKE, H
OW
DIFFERENT EACH DIFFERENT
CULTURE--
LIKE DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM T
HE
INDIVIDUAL CULTURE.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE WO
RLD
IS NEVER FAIR AND IT NEVER W
ILL,
JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO DIFFERE
NT.
I MEAN, DIFFERENT IN A SENSE
--
IT'S NOT DIFFERENT IN GOOD O
R
BAD, IT'S JUST--
WE'RE JUST DIFFERENT.
REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TALKIN
G
ABOUT, LIKE WE HAVE DIFFEREN
T
FOOD, CULTURE, MUSIC, DANCIN
G,
LITERATURE, POEM ?
EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S HOW IT MAKE THE W
ORLD
SO FUN.
>> ARE YOU FROM THE MILWAUKE
E
AREA ?
>> YEAH, I AM...
>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING.
I MEAN, EVERY TIME YOU GET
PEOPLE TOGETHER TO DISCUSS
DIVERSITY, YOU'RE BUILDING
THOSE BRIDGES, YOU'RE TRYING
TO REACH OUT FROM THOSE
COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF
WHAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOU
T.
YES, YOU HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY
,
AND YOU HAVE YOUR INDIVIDUAL
LIFE.
BUT PART OF AMERICA--
THIS WHOLE GREAT EXPERIMENT,
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO C
ALL
IT--
IS REACHING OUT AND TRYING T
O
BRING ALL THOSE CULTURES
TOGETHER, AND REALLY TRYING
TO
GET PEOPLE TO FOCUS AND BE A
BLE
TO SHARE.
>> I THINK THAT IN THIS PROC
ESS
THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, MO
RE
THAN ANYTHING, IT'S EXPRESSI
NG
YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE FRO
M
YOUR PERSONAL BACKGROUND--
NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT, L
IKE
IN MY CASE, THE WHOLE MEXICA
N
COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE, MY BACKGROUND IS VE
RY
DIFFERENT FROM THE SAME PERS
ON
FROM MEXICO THAT LIVES IN A
WHOLE DIFFERENT STATE.
AND I THINK IT HAPPENS THE S
AME
THING IN THE UNITED STATES F
OR
ALL THOSE WHITE, CAUCASIAN
PEOPLE.
EVEN THOUGH THEY LIVE IN THE
UNITED STATES, THEY AREN'T
NECESSARILY THE PROTOTYPE OF
EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> AND I WALK IN AND EVERYBO
DY
IS SPEAKING SPANISH.
AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, "WOW
."
WOW, YOU KNOW.
SHE KIND OF PREPPED ME LIKE
IT
WAS GOING TO BE LIKE THIS,
BUT NOT TOTALLY.
AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JU
ST
AMAZING.
I MET A BUNCH OF NEW PEOPLE.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY THERE
BUT THE PERSON I WAS WITH.
AND THEY GOT THIS BIG CIRCLE
GOING.
AND THEY WERE DANCING, THEY
WERE DOING ALL THESE--
THEY WERE DOING DIFFERENT LA
TIN
DANCES.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
AND I'M JUST SITTING BACK AN
D
I'M SOAKING IT IN.
AND THE PERSON I'M WITH
IS KIND OF LIKE WORRIED THAT
I WASN'T GONNA--
YOU KNOW, I WASN'T FITTING I
N.
AND I'M LIKE, "NO,
THIS IS GREAT !"
I'M JUST LOVING IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I START
ED
DANCING WITH THIS OTHER GUY
NEXT
TO ME, AND I SAW THAT THIS G
IRL
LOOKED AT HIM.
AND I KIND OF NUDGED HIM TO
GO
DANCE WITH HIM--
WITH THE GIRL--
AND HE GOES, "NO, NO, NO,
IT'S YOUR COUNTRY."
AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR
A
COUNTRY THAT'S SUPPOSE TO BE
ON
THE CUTTING EDGE, WE STILL C
AN'T
FEEL COMFORTABLE IN A SETTIN
G
LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
LIKE, MAYBE WE DO, BECAUSE W
E
KNOW EACH OTHER.
BUT FIRST THING YOU WALKED I
N,
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT YOU WERE
ALL
ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE WITH
ONE
ANOTHER.
>> I SORT OF WAS REFLECTING
OVER
THE POINTS MADE ABOUT SOCIET
Y'S
CULTURE, YOUR FAMILY CULTURE
AND
YOUR INDIVIDUAL CULTURE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
CONFLICT IN BETWEEN THAT, IN
HAVING TO DEAL DIRECTLY WITH
YOUR FAMILY, DIRECTLY WITH
SOCIETY AND THEN, INTERTWINI
NG
ALL OF THAT TO TRY TO FORM T
HE
IDEAL SELF.
>> I MEAN, FROM MY EXPERIENC
E,
I MEAN, I EXPRESSED MYSELF T
HE
WAY I WANTED TO EXPRESS MYSE
LF.
I MEAN, I SAID WHAT I WANTED
TO
SAY.
BUT I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE WH
O
WALKED OUT AND THEY'RE LIKE,
"SO, I'M THE BAD GUY, BECAUS
E
I'M THE WHITE MALE.
AND I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING IN
THIS
CLASS, BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GOI
NG
TO JUMP ALL OVER MY CASE THE
MINUTE I OPEN MY MOUTH."
AND THAT WAS--
I MEAN, IT WAS HARD TO HEAR
THAT.
BECAUSE, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNO
W,
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY
,
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IT
.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT
WAS, BUT SHE WAS SPEAKING
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WHEN SH
E'S
WITH HER FAMILY, SHE WASN'T
LIKE
BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, TALKIN
G
ABOUT DIFFERENT RACES AND ST
UFF
WITH HER FAMILY.
UP UNTIL I WAS LIKE 14 YEARS
OF
AGE, I WAS THAT GIRL.
I MEAN, I LIVED IN A BLACK
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAD BLACK FRIENDS.
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ALL
BLACK AND LATINOS.
I MEAN, I WENT TO A BLACK
CHURCH.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING--
BLACK CORNER STORES.
THE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE I SAW
WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE WHIT
E
PEOPLE FROM THE TENNIS TEAM
THAT
I PLAYED TENNIS ON, OR UNLES
S WE
WENT IN TO LIKE A PICK 'N SA
VE,
OR SOMETHING.
I THINK IT ALSO KIND OF HELP
ED
ME ONCE WHEN ME AND MY FAMIL
Y
DID GET TO THE POINT WE COUL
D
TALK ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN TH
IS
WORLD.
I THINK IT HELPS ME NOW, BEC
AUSE
NOW, THERE'S NOBODY ON THIS
EARTH THAT I CAN'T GET ALONG
WITH OR THAT I CAN'T RELATE
TO,
YOU KNOW.
IF I HAVE TO STEP DOWN FOR Y
OU,
I WILL.
IF I HAVE TO MOVE UP FOR YOU
,
I CAN, YOU KNOW.
SO, I FOUND MYSELF RELATING
TO
THAT POINT IN THE MOVIE.
>> I DIDN'T HATE COMING HERE
,
'CAUSE I LIKE TALKING ABOUT
THINGS LIKE THIS, 'CAUSE YOU
GET TO GET OTHER PEOPLE'S
PERCEPTIONS.
BUT WHEN I CAME TO WISCONSIN
,
I HATED IT.
I HATED COMING TO WISCONSIN.
I DIDN'T WANT TO COME, BECAU
SE
IT'S NOT AS DIVERSE AS I WAS
USED TO.
WHEN I CAME HERE, I HATED IT
.
'CAUSE, I DON'T SEE THAT MAN
Y
MINORITIES, AND I'VE EXPERIE
NCED
SO MUCH MORE RACISM HERE THA
N IN
A SETTING WHERE I'M NOT THE
MINORITY, PER SE.
AND I THINK IT'S SO HARD FOR
--
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, PERSONAL
LY--
BUT FOR WHITES TO SEE THAT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY--
I MEAN, THAT GIRL EVEN SAID
IT
HERSELF, WHEN SHE WENT TO AN
ALL
BLACK FUNCTION, SHE FELT THE
WAY
WE FEEL GOING INTO CLASSES E
VERY
DAY.
SHE FELT LIKE SHE DIDN'T BEL
ONG
THERE.
PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO SIT NE
XT
TO HER.
THAT'S THE WAY WE FEEL EVERY
DAY.
THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL EVERY
DAY
WALKING INTO A CLASSROOM.
LIKE, WHO AM I GOING TO SIT
NEXT
TO, WHO IS GOING TO WORK WIT
H ME
WHEN THE TEACHER SAYS,
"GROUP UP ?"
AND LIKE, I TALKED TO ONE OF
MY
PROFESSORS TODAY, AND HE ASK
ED
ME ABOUT THAT.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHEN YOU SAY
,
"GROUP UP," YOU HAVE TO THIN
K--
THE MINORITY STUDENTS IN THE
RE
ARE LIKE, GROUP UP--
EVERYBODY TURNS THIS WAY, AN
D
YOU'RE SITTING THERE LIKE--
(laughter)
OKAY ?
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK,
ESPECIALLY IN WISCONSIN...
(laughter)
WE JUST NEED TO COME--
WE NEED TO PUSH MORE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, COMING TO
WISCONSIN--
MAN, I'M FROM MADISON, AND
I'VE HATED--
SINCE I'VE GOTTEN HERE,
I'VE HATED COMING DOWN THE
STREET TO THIS CAMPUS IN SO
MANY
RESPECTS.
BUT WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYIN
G,
LIKE--
AND ALSO, WHAT YOU WERE SAYI
NG
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REFLECTION
OF
YOUR WHOLE RACE, OR WHATNOT-
-
THE THING IS, IF YOU TAKE WH
AT
EACH OF US HAS SAID, AND THE
N
TAKE IT AND PASS IT ON TO
SOMEONE ELSE--
TO ME, THE ONE-ON-ONE IS EXA
CTLY
WHERE YOU LEARN.
AND IF YOU ONE-ON-ONE IT ENO
UGH,
YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT SIX DEG
REES
OF SEPARATION, OR WHATNOT,
SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE ON THE WH
OLE,
LIKE, IN THE LARGER SCALE, H
AS
TO HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND A
BOUT
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.
AND SOME KIND OF CHANGE HAS
TO
OCCUR OUT OF THAT.
IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, AN
D
IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE B
IG--
AND I HATE DIALOGUES AND
DISCUSSIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW,
WE TALK, WE LAY DOWN OUR BEE
FS
AND THEN NOTHING COMES OUT O
F
IT.
IF YOU JUST LEAVE HERE AND
CONTINUE HAVING ONE-ON-ONES,
AND CONTINUE BEING TRUE TO
YOURSELF AND CONTINUE BEING
TRUE
WITH OTHER PEOPLE--
EVEN IF YOU HAVE A BIASED ID
EA,
OR WHATEVER, MAYBE THEY'LL C
ALL
YOU ON IT.
BUT THEN, LISTEN TO THEM WHE
N
THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU.
HELP CHANGE THEM AND HELP TH
EM
CHANGE YOU.
AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW,
HOPEFULLY ON A LARGE SCALE,
LIKE I SAID, THE CHANGE WILL
HAVE BEEN MADE.
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>> RACE IS AN IMPORTANT PART
OF EVERYONE'S LIFE.
BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
DEFINE WHO OR WHAT THAT PERS
ON
IS.
>> IT'S ALL ABOUT BUILDING
BRIDGES, AND LISTENING AND
COMMUNICATING.
AND YEAH, JUST--
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY,
DREAM BIG, REACH HIGH.
>> I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE
NATIVE VOICES ARE HEARD.
>> I'M WHITE.
I'M SPOILED.
I'M PRIVILEGED.
AND I HATE IT.
>> EVERY PERSON'S AN INDIVID
UAL.
AND THAT, ALTHOUGH THINGS MA
Y
HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST,
WE CAN ONLY TRY TO BUILD ON
THE
FUTURE.
>> I'M VERY CAPABLE, DESPITE
WHAT YOU MAY THINK OF ME BEC
AUSE
OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.
AND IF YOU DON'T WATCH OUT,
I'M COMING UP !
(laughter)
>> I REALLY WANT TO COMMIT
MYSELF TO BEING OPEN.
>> I AM WILLING TO SHARE MY
CULTURE AND MY PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE WITH ANYBODY WHO'
S
INTERESTED.
>> AND I'VE GAINED 19 NEW
FRIENDS.