i Pyle: Ralph, in Mamie's eyes,
started to get too... comfortabl
e with his expression as a man.
Coarse in his habits, going out
with other men after work.
Eventually, they split.
And a little while later,
Mamie discovered that Ralph wa
s seeing Dorothy Kleinowski
and that they were, in fact, get
ting married.
- Hurt and angry at Kerwineo,
White showed up at his workpla
ce
under the guise of applying
for a job.
Told they had no work suit
ed for women,
White revealed they already had
a female employee
nand uncovered Kerwineo's secret.
- Kai Pyle: This blew up all over t
he papers.
- Kerwineo was arrested.
In 1914, it was against the l
aw
to wear the clothes of ano
ther gender.
- Kai Pyle: I can't imagine be
ing incarcerated
and then paraded through newspape
rs,
having your name dragged all over
the place.
- The name being dragged was
Cora Anderson,
the identity Kerwineo had
long left behind.
His effort to live honestly
as he saw himself
would be called dishonest and
deceptive.
- Kai Pyle: It's a story that tells
us a lot
about the way gender-variant p
eople
have been criminalized in the p
ast.
- Kerwineo was forced into
a dress
as part of a sensational pub
lic trial.
[judge banging gavel]
The overflowed crowd laughed
when, under oath,
he had no choice but to say h
e was a woman.
- Kai Pyle: He was released as
long as he promised
that he "would return to wearing sk
irts," as they put it.
- At the end of the trial,
Kerwineo was quoted:
"When we leave this court,
Kerwineo will be dead.
My name when I leave here wi
ll be Cora Anderson."
[dramatic orchestra]
But Ralph Kerwineo would no
t die.
- Kai Pyle: After his arrest,
he went around with some vaudev
ille circuits.
He would start off the show dr
essed as a woman,
then show up as a man, vice ver
sa.
n- And he kept presenting as male
for long after the infamous
trial.
- Kai Pyle: I think it shows
a lot of resilience on Ralph's p
art.
It was 1914,
and we can't necessarily apply la
bels from today
to somebody who lived a hundre
d years ago.
But he said his woman's soul h
ad died,
and a man's soul had taken its pl
ace.
Ralph was going to do whatever
Ralph wanted.
Whoever he was,
he had a strong spirit and free
will.
- Despite his strong spirit
and free will,
mainstream America was not
ready
for Ralph Kerwineo to live
his full life
freely among them.
Society had rejected him.
In this same era, another
Wisconsin man
found his solution to living
freely
by building his own personal
oasis,
removed from society and ev
en time.
- Dick Wagner: Ralph Warner of
Cooksville,
I call Wisconsin's first out ga
y man.
[acoustic guitar]
- An eccentric,
living a lifestyle nfrom a cen
tury before his time,
Ralph Warner entertained gu
ests
at his home and personal pre
servation project,
which he named 'The House N
ext Door.'
The old building on a small plot
in rural Wisconsin
was Warner's very own gateway,
transporting him from nthe 19
20s back to the mid-1800s.
- Larry Reed: He was an unusua
l character
and doing an unusual thing,
sort of liking old stuff.
People were tossing that stuff a
way.
- Warner's interests ran counter
to the mood of his times,
as 1920s America became more
urban and less rural.
His deliberate effort to slow
the increasingly frenetic
pace of life
caught the attention of mag
azines and newspapers.
- Larry Reed: The word was out.
Good Housekeeping,
House and Garden.
Ralph Warner put Cooksville on
the map.
- Warner's land of long ago
promised more than a collecti
on of antiques
and old-fashioned meals.
It was a place where none coul
d live a different life.
- Will Fellows: Warner was reall
y, in some ways,
ministering to certain people
who were looking for something
to soothe their angst
about the ways
in which American life was chan
ging.
[engine rumbles]
But then, ironically, the automo
bile,
which in some ways was the bane
of preservation,
was also the lifeline that brou
ght people to Cooksville
to find their hours of respite
in Warner's creation of The Hou
se Next Door.
- Larry Reed: Ralph Warner's Ho
use Next Door was charming,
just a charming little place.
People called it "a wee bit of E
ngland in Wisconsin."
- Will Fellows: Summer evenings wi
th the windows open,
the sound of song and piano from
the House Next Door
traveling through this little vi
llage.
- But the main attraction
was Ralph Warner himself.
- Dick Wagner: He tells one lady wh
o comes to look at his curios:
"Well, you should look at me.
I'm the most curious thing here
."
So, he had just sort of created
this persona for himself.
And they gave fairly good clues
about who he was.
- Warner defied the strict
gender norms of the 1920s.
He entertained his visitors
by cooking and serving the
meals himself.
He designed and curated the
interior of his home,
and tended nhis traditional En
glish garden.
- Will Fellows: It's represent
ative
of a certain strain of the gay
sensibility.
It includes that love of things
related to the home and decor,
things related to hospitality
and caregiving.
- Dick Wagner: By presenting hi
mself as who he was, he was,
in his own way, for his own ti
me, coming out,
which is really quite remarkable
for the 1920s.
- Through the House Next Door,
Warner had created his own pe
rsonal haven.
A place removed from time,
where people could be who
they wanted to be.
- Will Fellows: He really viewed it
as a sacred little space
that he would share with peopl
e,
like-minded, kindred spirit typ
e people.
- Ralph Warner's the 'House N
ext Door'
was a predecessor to the coming
heritage tourism movement
in Wisconsin.
The next generation to undertake
historical preservation
often looked to Warner as a
n inspiration.
Such was the case for Ed
gar Hellum,
nwho still remembered Warner well
when interviewed in his ninetie
s.
- Edgar Hellum: Mr. Warner, Ralph
Warner,
had an old house that he had rest
ored,
and he served meals.
That's what gave me the bug.
♪ ♪
- In 1934, Hellum met Bob N
eal.
Through a shared passion for
old buildings,
a life partnership would de
velop.
In a letter sent right after
their meeting, Hellum gushed,
"Bob Neal,
just the name makes the weekend
seem like make-believe!"
The two men lived at a time
when they needed to keep their
love for each other a secret.
However, the life's work they
built together
would draw attention nand admi
ration for generations.
[elegant piano]
In the early 1800s,
prospectors swarmed Southw
estern Wisconsin
in search of lead ore.
They dug caves into the h
illsides,
reminiscent of badger holes,
earning the namesake the 'Wis
consin Badgers.'
In the 1830s, Cornish immigr
ant miners
settled in the boomtown of M
ineral Point,
building tiny stone cottages
for their family homes.
- Will Fellows: These were ve
ry small, modest dwellings,
some of which
seemed to almost grow out of t
he bluff behind them.
- By the mid-1930s,
the cottages had been long ab
andoned.
They were being torn down
for their materials.
But where others saw ruin,
Edgar Hellum and Bob Neal
saw beauty.
- Edgar Hellum: Bob said, "I've fo
und a house,"
but he said, "It's so decrepit.
"
He said, "I don't know whether
it can be fixed or not.
Can you come over and take a look?
"
And he had found Pendarvis House.
Oh, God, it was awful! [chuckle
s heartily]
- So, for ten dollars and
a dream,
the two men purchased the
cottage
and set about restoring it
.
- Will Fellows: People thought
they were kind of nuts.
These two young men
down on the slummiest street in
town
living together in one of these
rundown stone cottages
a lot of people thought should
just be knocked down.
- Dick Wagner: It was an unu
sual thing to happen
in a small Wisconsin town.
They were often described as art
istic young men,
and it probably was true in that
you had to have some sense of wha
t could be,
which is what artists do
is they create something out of a
lmost nothing.
- After many months of wor
king sixteen-hour days,
Hellum and Neal had restored n
the home to its 1800s aesthetic.
They gave it nthe Cornish surn
ame 'Pendarvis.'
- Will Fellows: Bob and Edgar
were thrilled
but needed to make some sort of
a living from it.
- They started with opening
a small tea room at Pendarvis.
But it soon evolved into a
quaint restaurant,
embracing the historic identity
of the locale.
For their signature dish,
Bob Neal turned to nhis family
's old Cornish recipes
and landed on the pasty.
- Will Fellows: Even though the
food itself was very basic,
almost kind of like a peasant fo
od in a way,
there was a touch of finesse to
the meal.
- Edgar Hellum: We made the be
st pasty
that anybody made in Mineral Point
.
We used top-grade beef.
We had a good crust recipe,
and then, it had to come right
from the oven to the table.
Simple farm fare, but we did it
with a touch of class.
- Will Fellows: The focus was not
fine dining.
The focus was the experience.
- A pasty was served with a f
lourish
for the table to share
while Bob Neal told tales
of the Cornish miners
who had settled old Mineral
Point.
- Dick Wagner: Bob Neal clearl
y had a vision
for what heritage tourism could be
.
- By the late 1940s, Pendar
vis House restaurant
had become a niche destinat
ion.
The tiny operation received
national visibility
after being included in an
influential travel guide
written by food critic and
later cake-box celebrity
Duncan Hines.
- Edgar Hellum: Duncan Hines,
he said, "Don't change a thing,
don't change a thing."
[laughs warmly]
n- Over the next several decades,
Neal and Hellum acquired addi
tional stone cottages
in Mineral Point.
A restoration project that
became their life's work,
and one of Wisconsin's most
-visited historic sites.
- Dick Wagner: Pendarvis really spa
rked and grew historic tourism
here in Wisconsin.
- Will Fellows: Gay men made an
extraordinary contribution
in preservation.
Both Warner and Bob Neal and E
dgar Hellum,
they were really early advocates
for cultural tourism.
- The two men complemented e
ach other.
Neal handled the food and
championed Cornish lore,
while Hellum brought nthe old
buildings back to life.
Though it was an age
when they needed to keep their
love for each other a secret,
their shared vision and ar
tistic endeavor
endures to this day.
- Dick Wagner: It's a remarka
ble story
of how two gay men led their li
ves
to create this artistic and hi
storic place.
It's not just part of the Corni
sh lore,
but it's part of the gay history
of the state.
- While Pendarvis was a passion
to preserve,
another couple was embracing ch
ange,
exploring a new and radical ar
t movement
through their school in Milwauk
ee.
- Josie Osborne: The Layton School
of Art
was started by two women in 1920,
Miss Partridge and Miss Frink.
- Charlotte Partridge and
Miriam Frink
met at Downer College for Women
in Milwaukee
in 1915.
Historically, women's colleges
were a place where
romantic female relationships
could safely thrive.
For Partridge and Frink,
their love and commitment
for each other
thrived for more than 50 years
.
- Josie Osborne: Charlotte Part
ridge was charismatic.
She was just sort of lovable,
right?
She smiled a lot.
She was the gregarious one.
Miriam Frink, she was much more
serious
and let Charlotte be the front p
erson.
- The two made friends with
Milwaukee businessman
Frederick Layton, the meat
packing millionaire
who had opened the Layton G
allery in 1888,
and filled it with grand works
purchased on his travels.
In 1920, Layton offered th
e gallery basement
to Partridge and Frink to hol
d classes.
But the art they would ins
pire
would be radically different
from the old works that filled
the gallery's walls.
- Josie Osborne: Charlotte Part
ridge and Miriam Frink
were more aligned
with what was happening in ter
ms of
the European avant-garde.
n- European avant-garde movements
like Cubism and Dadaism
nchallenged artistic conventions,
shocked some,
and spoke deeply to others.
- Josie Osborne: For Charlotte
Partridge and Miriam Frink,
they brought these avant-garde
ideas into their teaching,
into their own art collection i
n their home,
and embraced it.
[piano]
- In the house the couple nha
d designed and built together,
they hung modern works of art
at home among bold creativ
e expressions.
- Josie Osborne: There's a pret
ty strong connection
between queer identity and avan
t-garde movements.
There's something about growing up
knowing you're different
from what the rest of society
says people should be,
just makes you more open to new
ideas.
- New ideas fueled
Partridge and Frink's avant-
garde art school.
- Josie Osborne: The Layton School
of Art
was basically an incubator for cr
eative expression.
- Like Europe's Bauhaus, the
Layton School
put art and design on equal
footing.
Nude drawing classes
were attended by students
of both sexes,
something previously unheard of
in Milwaukee.
Generations of graduates would
contribute
to the city's art scene and
design of its products.
- Josie Osborne: They're develo
ping these creative minds,
really sent a lot of people ou
t into the community
with this training and this und
erstanding
of what was possible.
- All things seemed possible
for the Layton School.
Through the Great Depression,
the two leaders took no salary
to stay open.
During World War II, they hel
d free art shows
intended to build public support
for the war effort.
After the war, enrollment b
oomed.
Partridge and Frink would
greet the 1950s
with a bold plan for a new
modern home for the school.
But times were changing.
- Josie Osborne: The 1950s were
not, not a good time to be a woman.
Definitely not a good time to b
e a queer woman.
They had just raised all the m
oney
to build this amazing building.
Then it was determined that it
wasn't appropriate
for two women to be leading a sc
hool of national reputation.
- The Layton School's male
-dominated board
forced Charlotte Partridge and
nMiriam Frink to leave the school
they founded and nurtured f
or decades.
Their last work
was scratching a pencil edit
to the board's resolution,
making it crystal clear
that their retirement was
not voluntary.
Without their leadership,
the Layton School ultimate
ly struggled.
Its sleek headquarters were n
condemned for a highway project
in the late '60s.
A few short years later, the
Layton School closed.
The doors shut on a life's
endeavor.
The couple remained involved
in Milwaukee's community,
with Partridge leading efforts
in building senior housing.
Their impact on the city's ar
t scene would live on.
In 1974, a group of former
Layton School instructors
started the Milwaukee Institute
of Art and Design (MIAD).
MIAD continues today
as a world-class art and desi
gn school,
training students in unders
tanding what's possible.
A legacy sparked by Charlotte
Partridge and Miriam Frink.
- Josie: I discovered what bad--
[whispers] Can I say 'badass?' [l
aughs]
I discovered what total badasse
s they were!
These stories are beginning to
emerge
that gay and lesbian people
are making a huge difference in
our culture.
They're people who blazed a tra
il
for me to be able to be who I am
.
But they're also people who di
d great things.
- Throughout the early 20th c
entury,
the LGBTQ+ community
made significant, yet unsung
contributions
to Wisconsin history.
They were also there to con
tribute,
to step up nwhen world history
turned dark.
As Nazi Germany swept across
Europe,
Americans joined the fight
for the free world,
including gay men,
hoping their commitment to t
he war effort
would lead nto greater inclusi
on back home.
But gay soldiers nwould have to
serve in silence.
- Dick Wagner: Gay men were fig
hting in the service,
even though the service didn't
want them.
Unwanted yet undeterred, gay
men answered the call.
- Dick Wagner: They not only ha
d to fight the homophobia
of the military system,
but then, they had to fight fasc
ism, too.
- Motivated by the prospect of
a freer society after the war,
this was especially true for a
nyoung soldier from Rhinelander,
Wally Jordan.
- Dick Wagner: During the war,
Wally Jordan
was having gay pen pals
that he was keeping a correspo
ndence with.
- Jordan's letters provided
personal insight
into gay men who communicat
ed frankly,
despite the risk of discovery,
sharing their thoughts on
the war, hopes for the future.
- Dick Wagner: He writes in the
se letters
that he has a vision that after
the war,
there will be a big national con
ference of gay men,
where they will proudly proclaim
their rights
and demand that they be respect
ed.
After World War II, there coul
d be a better world,
and that better world ought to
encompass
the gay men who had been fighting
to win the war
for the Allies.
- But a hero's welcome woul
d not be waiting,
even for those who put it a
ll on the line.
[propellers rotating]
- Lieutenant Kenneth Palmer
from Edgerton, Wisconsin,
was a decorated war hero,
surviving over 50 dangerou
s missions,
including a harrowing bombin
g run over Munich.
As he navigated his B-24 bomber
over his target,
the plane took on heavy an
ti-aircraft fire.
A piece of flak ripped through
the nose of his plane,
sending shrapnel flying towar
d Palmer.
His jacket took the brunt,
shredding into pieces.
But the young navigator miracu
lously walked away
with little more than a few b
ruises
and a story for the ages.
He quipped, "If they can come
that close and not get me,
I'm safe."
[bell ringing]
After the war, Kenneth Palmer
returned to college
at the University of Wiscon
sin-Madison.
He and so many of his fellow
veterans
were looking to catch up
on the years and opportunities
lost to the war.
Palmer studied commerce and se
rved as secretary
and also performer
in the extracurricular theater
troupe, the Haresfoot Club.
[applause]
[band plays rousing music]
- Scott Seyforth: Haresfoot wa
s a theatrical organization
that formed on campus in the l
ate 1890s.
- Singers: ♪ Have you ever bee
n to a picture show? No! ♪
- Scott Seyforth: And they were
very popular at the time.
They would perform six, seven,
eight sold-out shows.
And they would get on the train,
and they would do a tour.
They thought it was good publicit
y for the University,
but they didn't like the idea
of sending men and women outtoge
theron the road.
It turned into one of these all
-male companies
where men played the women's role
s.
- Haresfoot Cast: ♪ Follow the
girls ♪
♪ [inaudible] ♪
♪ Follow the girls ♪
- The Haresfoot motto beca
me
"All our girls are men, yet ev
eryone's a lady."
- Scott Seyforth: They'd go to
Eau Claire and La Crosse,
sometimes to St. Paul,
and do their shows.
[men singing]
It was the Wisconsin Idea
in drag.
[applause]
- Dick Wagner: Though the company
was predominantly heterosexual,
there were a lot of gay men who
were attracted to Haresfoot.
- The theater was a sanctuary.
- Dick Wagner: You have both se
xuality and gender identity
all mixed up together.
- The element of drag allo
wed performers
to experiment with gender roles
publicly.
To be expressive about sexualit
y
under the protection of the
atrical satire.
- Dick Wagner: Haresfoot was wi
lling
to push those boundaries.
- In 1948, the Haresfoot Cl
ub was ncelebrating its 50th anniversa
ry
with an original show, Big as
Life,
a send-up of nthe legendary Pa
ul Bunyan myth.
The cast included senior K
enneth Palmer,
donning a red wig to portray
the female role of Mabel.
The group's 50th year would
be a fateful one.
- Scott Seyforth: A University
police officer
found two men making out in a car
on campus,
and he arrested them.
In their car was an invitation
to a party at a private home.
- Police raided the Adams St
reet house party
and made arrests on morals an
d sodomy charges.
- Scott Seyforth: Two of the men in
volved in that sting operation
were members of Haresfoot.
- Kenneth Palmer was arrested,
his name and address printe
d in the newspaper.
The press called the home
"a den for lewd activities."
- Dick Wagner: On campus, there
was concern
about this growing outbreak of h
omosexuality.
And so, there was an investigation
launched
of the Haresfoot theater troupe.
- The investigative committee
called upon psychiatrist Dr.
Annette Washburne
for guidance.
- Scott Seyforth: Dr. Washburne ha
d
a classification of homosexuals.
She believed that there were 'ps
eudo homosexuals'
that could be treated.
'True homosexuals' were a danger
on campus,
and she really believed
that the University needed to g
et rid of those people.
- Kenneth Palmer completed nhi
s requirements for graduation.
But at the highest levels
of the University,
his degree was denied.
- Scott Seyforth: There's a belief
that to graduate gay men into soc
iety
is a stain on the University.
It's appalling.
It's regrettable.
It's unfathomable.
- In 1950, Cold War tensions we
re brewing in Korea.
War hero Kenneth Palmer anticipa
ted a return to service.
He pleaded with the University
to have his degree granted,
emphasizing that it would be unli
kely for him
to rise through the officer rank
s without a diploma.
Once again, he was denied.
- Fallout from the Haresfoo
t Scandal
would not end with Palmer.
A silent force would push
the next generation of gay s
tudents
deeper into hiding.
- Lewis Bosworth: I was at hom
e in my apartment
one day in 1962,
and the phone rang.
[rotary phone rings]
It was one of my friends.
He explained to me that there
was this purge going on
to rid the University of gay m
ale students.
- Scott Seyforth: Lewis Bosworth,
he is one of only two former stu
dents
that has ever spoken publicly
about their involvement in the
purge.
- The purge was a systematic
effort
to identify gay students a
nd staff
and discretely remove them
from the University of Wis
consin-Madison.
The policy was a carryover nfr
om the paranoia of the 1950s,
starting with the Red Scar
e.
- Joseph McCarthy: Even if ther
e were only one communist
in the State Department,
that would still be one commun
ist too many.
- Which led to the Lavende
r Scare,
a campaign to ban homosexua
ls
from working in the federal
government.
- Ashley Brown: Gays and lesbians
really became the scapegoats.
It is assumed that gay men and l
esbians
are actually threats to nationa
l security
and that they can be blackmailed.
- The hunt for homosexuals
at the University
began as a response to the
Haresfoot scandal.
Fourteen years later, in 196
2,
the purge pressed on.
- Dick Wagner: The Dean of men,
Dean Zillman,
started to compile a list
of hundreds of male homosexuals
on campus.
And he would call people in an
d ask them to name names,
which was clearly a McCarthy-typ
e tactic.
- Theodore Zillman had be
en an attorney
and personally questioned
suspected homosexuals.
Heavy consequences awaited
those who confessed.
- Dick Wagner: The University
would inform parents,
basically, would force the kids
to come out.
- Scott Seyforth: They were ru
ining people's lives.
Kicking out people right before g
raduation.
There are cases of students at
tempting suicide.
You read these transcripts.
It's heartbreaking.
- One name on Zillman's list
was sophomore Lewis Bosworth.
- Lewis Bosworth: I was getting
calls from the Dean's office
to come in,
and I ignored it as long as I cou
ld,
simply on the grounds that it wasn'
t any of their business.
- Scott Seyforth: Dean Zillman
didn't like it
when people didn't respond to h
is request.
- Lewis Bosworth: A detective
from the University Police
came to my place of employment and
threatened me.
And so, I finally did go to the D
ean of Men's office.
They certainly were a whole lo
t worried
about gay men, young men.
- Scott Seyforth: Dean Zillman
interrogated him.
It must have been terrifying to
be on the receiving end
of an interrogation about your
sexuality
in the 1960s.
- Lewis Bosworth: I was afraid
that I might be expelled.
Well, I lied through my teeth
when he asked me if I was homosex
ual.
Since I denied everything,
there wasn't anything they cou
ld do with me.
- But Dean Zillman had other
plans.
- Lewis Bosworth: I had been a
ccepted
to a program abroad, a junior y
ear abroad program.
Well, they reneged on that.
They took away the scholarship.
I graduated in '64.
There were other people involved
in that
who fared less well than I did
.
- Hunted, harassed,
the University's years-long pur
ge
ensured that hundreds of gay
students
would never make it to gra
duation.
- Lewis Bosworth: It was important
to their quote-unquote investig
ation
to get as many names on their l
ist as they could,
and I refused to do that.
I didn't give them any names.
- Defiant in the face of bi
gotry,
Lewis Bosworth went on nto bec
ome an outspoken activist.
He later returned to UW-Madis
on
and built a career ncentered o
n welcoming students,
helping them navigate the
college experience
rather than kicking them o
ut.
[birds chirping]
- Scott Seyforth: It was sprin
g of 2013.
I went into the LGBTQ+ graduat
ion ceremony.
And sitting at one of the tabl
es
was Lewis Bosworth, sitting by
himself.
I was stunned.
I said, "Lewis, what is it like
for you to be at this?"
He says, "Scott, it's unimaginabl
e.
"When I was this age,
this would have been unimaginab
le."
- Dick Wagner: One of the amaz
ing things about Wisconsin
is that early on, gay and lesbia
n people
found ways to affirm their own
identity.
In their own way,
they could achieve a certain am
ount of liberation.
- Kai Pyle: You can learn to under
stand people
if you know their history.
- A history often hidden.
But history would soon be mad
e out in the open.
- Ashley Brown: Well, the batt
les never end.
There are forces really that c
ome together
that try to turn the tide.
- A movement to be part of
the American story.
To no longer live a hidden
life.
- Dick Wagner: People were libe
rating themselves,
knowing that their lives were som
ething
that they had to live and were
valid to live.
%
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SUPPORT - Dick Wagner: Wisconsin has been a
trailblazer
in ways that very few people un
derstand.
And that's an important story t
o tell.
[crowd shouting]
- The 1960s sparked a sea
of social change
across America.
With it, the gay rights movemen
t.
- Judy Greenspan: We often hea
r about what happened in San Francisc
o,
what happened in New York City.
But we don't hear about what h
appened in Wisconsin.
- In Wisconsin, LGBTQ+ peopl
e
were ready to make a statement
about freedom,
to live openly,
and to change American his
tory.
But it all began
with a distinctly Wisconsin
institution--
the neighborhood bar.
♪ ♪
- Dick Wagner: Taverns are ubiq
uitous in Wisconsin.
- Michail Takach: Wisconsin re
ally was a breeding ground
for bars of all different kinds.
There were bars that were Serb
ian.
There were bars that were Afri
can American.
There were bars that were Polish
.
So, the idea of there being bars
dedicated to gay people
shouldn't be surprising to anyo
ne.
n- In the post-World War II era,
gay bars began to find a footing
among a booming population.
Though intense secrecy
surrounded their existence,
they started to play na pivota
l role in LGBTQ+ lives.
- Michail Takach: They went th
ere to find community.
They went there to find love.
They went there to find hope.
- Víctor Macías-González: You make
friends, develop networks,
and gradually begin to develop
knowledge of what the gay world
is.
- Dick Wagner: About the only pla
ce you could actually be gay
since you had to be straight at
work and in your family
was at a gay bar.
- The bars themselves kept
a low profile,
hoping to avoid attention fr
om the police.
- Víctor Macías-González: It's alm
ost like
a holdover from the speakeasy c
ulture.
It won't be marked. Right?
The entrance is in the back.
If they don't recognize you,
they won't let you in sort of a
thing.
- Dick Wagner: It was not uncommon
for police raids to occur
in gay bars. [police sirens]
The enforcement of norms and h
omophobia
was a routine activity in those
days.
- The police could carry out
genital searches.
Same-sex dancing could lead to
an arrest.
And bar owners could lose the
ir license
if caught serving homosexu
als.
- Michail Takach: The conseque
nces were really extreme,
and people still dared to live th
eir best life.
They still went out looking fo
r each other,
eager to find each other in a wor
ld
that was actively trying to shut t
hem down.
- In the summer of 1969, in N
ew York City,
six days of protests
and clashes with law enfor
cement
nerupted following a police raid
of The Stonewall Inn,
a local gay club.
The Stonewall Uprising would
become famous as the catalyst
for the gay rights movement
in America.
But anger had been brewing
across the country
well before Stonewall beca
me a flash point.
[rumbling skies]
- Michail Takach: Eight years be
fore Stonewall,
the Black Nite Bar was the scen
e
of the first LGBTQ uprising in
Wisconsin history.
[thunder claps]
- A rainy August 5, 1961.
After a night out on the town,
three sailors found themselves
outside the Milwaukee gay bar,
The Black Nite.
The servicemen had been sen
t there on a dare.
When asked to show their ID
at the door, they panicked,
dragged the bouncer outside,
and attacked him.
A nearby bar patron
refused to stand by and do n
othing.
- Michail Takach: The heroine of
The Black Nite was Josie Carter,
an African American
gender non-conforming queen of
color.
- Josie Carter: I'm Josie Carter.
And, oh gosh, look out! [shrieks
warmly]
- Michail Takach: Josie ran
out there with a beer bottle in each
hand
and knocked one of the sailors
unconscious
and hit the other one over the
head.
[glass shattering, shouting]
They dragged their friends out
of there
and said they'd be coming back
to teach gay people a lesson.
- Bullied as a child,
a survivor of sexual violen
ce,
Josie Carter refused to be
harassed any longer.
- Josie Carter: I have to be me.
If I can't be me, what the hell?
- Michail Takach: Josie really
was everyone's best friend.
- For Josie Carter and her fr
iends,
The Black Nite Bar was a se
cond home,
a place worth fighting for.
- Josie Carter: Just let me live my
life, and you live yours.
And we'll get along beautifully.
- She warned the others in t
he bar about the attack,
rallying them to stand the
ir ground.
- Michail Takach: People got r
eally mad
because they were like, "We have
this one space.
"We have this one space in Mil
waukee
"we can go and be ourselves
"and dress however we want and
express however we want.
And now, they're coming in here
and harassing us."
And Josie's response was, "We do
n't run from a fight."
- Josie Carter: I'm not a runner.
I mean, the high heels... I'm so
rry.
I do not run.
- The sailors returned
with about a dozen others in
reinforcements,
but were in for a surprise.
- Michail Takach: The sailors
were met by 74 bar patrons
who were mad as hell and not ta
king it anymore.
[angry shouting]
- The two sides clashed.
- Michail Takach: The brawl li
terally destroyed the bar.
All the windows were broken.
All the glass in the bar was brok
en.
Everything was just destroyed.
[police siren]
- The police broke up the f
ight
and arrested the three sail
ors.
The violence that night drov
e the headlines.
But a larger message was se
nt.
- Michail Takach: Other gay people
saw news clippings about "The B
lack Nite Brawl"
and said, "Oh, my gosh, there ar
e people like me.
"And they're not putting up wit
h it.
And they are fighting back."
This was a big deal in 1961.
- Beyond a place of refuge,
the gay bar became a symbol o
f liberation,
galvanizing a community.
- Víctor Macías-González: There
wouldn't be a gay movement without gay
bars.
- Michail Takach: The Black Nite
was the first in a series of dom
inoes that fell
that really advanced Wisconsin
on the national landscape
in terms of gay rights, gay prot
ections,
and gay awareness.
- But the fight for equality
was only just beginning.
And an age of activism woul
d soon follow.
[angry crowd]
- Dick Wagner: The '60s had seen a
whole range of activism
here in Wisconsin.
You had the anti-war movement,
which was very strong on the M
adison campus.
In Milwaukee, you had a push f
or Black Civil Rights.
There was a sense that there was
this activism,
which was a way to change things
.
- Protester: Sisterhood is powe
rful!
- A generation began to rise
up
during a time nof political a
nd social strife.
Advancing a variety of movem
ents,
including gay rights.
- Dick Wagner: There was this i
mpetus
that it was time to do something.
Stonewall sent that signal, an
d people responded to it.
- In 1969, TIMEmagazine's c
over story,
"The Homosexual in America,"
put gay life ninto the nationa
l conversation.
This inspired an anonymous
writer
at the University of Wisco
nsin-Madison
to publish an open letter
in the campus paper
calling for homosexuals to b
and together.
- Scott Seyforth: They started
by calling themselves
the Madison Alliance for Homosexu
al Equality.
♪ ♪
- Dick Wagner: The Madison Alli
ance for Homosexuality Equality
was recognized as the first ga
y organization in Wisconsin.
- Scott Seyforth: Just months
after Stonewall,
they were on the local news cha
nnel.
You know, out queers are on telev
ision
in the state of Wisconsin.
In March, they hold the first
publicly announced gay dance.
They had the first protest.
- The group protested outs
ide a Madison theater
playing the film The Boys in th
e Band.
- Dick Wagner: They felt it dep
icted self-loathing homosexuals.
The early activists particularly
found that despicable as a por
trayal.
- Film: You're a sad and pathetic
man.
You're a homosexual, and you don'
t want to be.
But there's nothing you can do t
o change it.
- Dick Wagner: While they were
picketing,
they heard shouts of "faggots"
from young kids in cars drivin
g by.
But it was very brave to do
that kind of public action.
To go out and be visible homosexu
als in the community.
You found other people who were
willing to be out,
and that gave you strength.
- By 1971, the group had ad
opted the name
"the Gay Liberation Front"
and had been attracting new
members across campus,
including an anti-war activist
named Judy Greenspan.
- Judy Greenspan: I can't coun
t the number of times I was tear gass
ed.
[explosion, shouting]
There was, like, a revolutionary sp
irit on campus.
We were all part of this progre
ssive movement,
and it was a massive movement.
- A New Jersey native,
Judy Greenspan came to scho
ol at UW-Madison
drawn by the anti-war movemen
t.
Finding like-minded people
fighting for a cause,
Greenspan was still looking
for something more.
Searching for other lesbia
ns...
- Judy Greenspan: So, I found out
where the Gay Liberation Front
was meeting.
I went to a meeting, and they w
ere literally
about forty-five young men...
and one woman.
I just said, "This is ridiculou
s."
- Determined to build a sis
terhood,
Judy Greenspan and a friend
began to post fliers on cam
pus,
calling for lesbians to com
e together.
What Greenspan did not expe
ct
was the reaction from comrade
s
in the anti-war movement
when they saw the fliers.
- Judy Greenspan: People would
say, "Oh, what are you organizing?"
And they'd look at it, and their
jaw would drop.
And then, they'd sort of walk
away.
The amount of homophobia in the ant
i-war movement
was, I thought was pretty deep.
I don't see the dichotomy
between being a political pers
on fighting for social change
and being queer.
I don't; I think they're-- they'r
e together.
- Greenspan's grassroots o
rganizing
helped form the group
that would become known as
Madison Lesbians.
- Judy Greenspan: We didn't ha
ve the community.
We had to build the community.
And we just did it the best tha
t we could.
You know, could somebody have
done it better?
Probably. [laughs]
But we did it; We did it.
[laughs]
- Together, Madison Lesbia
ns and the Gay Liberation Front
traveled around the state,
working with emerging gay o
rganizations
at other college campuses
on LGBTQ+ issues.
But at home,
they would find themselves
locked out
when students at Madison E
ast High
invited Greenspan to speak.
- Dick Wagner: The principal ru
led that "No,
out lesbian Judy Greenspan couldn
't come and speak."
In fact, the Madison Principals'
Council ruled
that they wouldn't allow any homo
sexual speakers
in the high schools.
- Judy Greenspan: And the scho
ol board totally backed him up on it.
Everybody would say, "Oh, yeah.
"I mean, that's a no-brainer.
"Gay people are sick; They're
ill.
"It's illegal.
Can't let them into schools."
- The ban not only kept gays
and lesbians out,
but also put any closeted
students or teachers at risk.
The Madison Lesbians and activi
st Judy Greenspan
decided to take a stand for ga
y rights.
- Judy Greenspan: We fought back
by running an openly lesbian ca
ndidate
for school board.
And I said, "Oh, yeah, I'll do
it."
So, as a lesbian, I could not go i
nto the schools.
I couldn't speak to the students.
I couldn't get through the door
.
But as a candidate,
they would not be able to deny
me entrance.
- Dick Wagner: As a candidate,
she would appear on forums
that were in the high school
and be able to debate.
It was a very inventive way
to challenge the ruling of the
principal.
- Judy Greenspan: We were not ru
nning to be part of the political syste
m.
But we really ran as a way to pr
otest
what we thought is a horrible in
justice.
- Greenspan would not win nth
e 1973 school board election.
But would make history
as the first out lesbian to run
for public office in America.
And the first nin a long line
of LGBTQ+ people
who sought office in Wisco
nsin.
- Dick Wagner: Wisconsin is the onl
y state
to have elected three out congre
sspeople.
Steve Gunderson, a Republican.
Mark Pocan, a Democrat.
And the first U.S. out Senator,
Tammy Baldwin.
- For Judy Greenspan, it
was about seeking justice.
Taking a public stance for th
ose who couldn't.
- Judy Greenspan: It was definitel
y
one of the proudest things that
I have done in my life.
%
>>
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AND
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the radio voice of Gay People'
s Union.
We're going to be interviewing
a young lady
who happens to be a homosexual
.
But first, let's have a little
music.
♪ ♪
[cue ball strikes]
- The nation's first LGBTQ+
radio program,
Gay Perspective, hit the airwav
es in 1971.
- Host: This program will discuss a
gay perspective.
- Produced in Milwaukee by t
he activist organization
Gay People's Union to serve
a community finding its voice.
- Host: Today, throughout the coun
try, homosexuals
are clamoring for their rights.
- Michail Takach: Within 10 years
of the Black Nite Brawl,
Milwaukee had really come together
as a community of LGBT people loo
king to
not just find each other socially
but to socially activate and orga
nize.
One of the organizations
that came out of this era was Ga
y People's Union.
- Gay People's Union was fo
unded in 1971
by two openly gay men,
Eldon Murray and Alyn Hess.
- Brice Smith: Being able to be
openly gay,
they were able to do so much wo
rk
for the community and for the Ga
y Liberation Movement.
- Michail Takach: This was a t
ime where
people could be fired from the
ir job
just for being gay.
- Eldon Murray, who served i
n Korea,
then worked as a stockbrok
er,
was quoted, "My clients didn
't care
"as long as I made money for
them.
"I could stand up and be o
penly gay
when few people could."
- Standing alongside him was
gay rights crusader Alyn Hess,
a landscape architect turned
social activist.
- Michail Takach: They estab
lished the first gay crisis hotline
in Milwaukee.
They opened the first gay comm
unity center.
And they also fought with local
newspapers
about printing the names
of people arrested for disorder
ly conduct
and got them to end that policy
,
which was a lifesaver for many
, many gay people.
- Dick Wagner: They were remarkable
pioneers
in the fight for gay rights.
- Michail Takach: They really chan
ged Milwaukee for the better.
- Along with their radio pr
ogram,
Gay People's Union establis
hedGPU News,
A newspaper written by and
for LGBTQ+ people.
The publication found a nati
onal audience
and introduced readers to s
ingular voices,
like columnist nand trans pion
eer Lou Sullivan.
- Brice Smith: Lou Sullivan w
rote articles on historical figures.
People with whom he identified.
People who are assigned female at
birth
but had lived as men.
He very much recognized and ap
preciated
how important history is
to an individual's identity.
- Lou Sullivan grew up in Wau
watosa, Wisconsin.
His fourth birthday party
was a memorable day.
- Brice Smith: It was a Davy Cr
ockett-themed birthday party.
Lou always remembered
that when he put on that Davy
Crockett costume,
he really felt like he was Dav
y Crockett.
His life intersected with so
many of the key moments
in the Baby Boomer generation.
He liked to brag that
he was the most "Beatled" kid at
his school
'cause he knew more about The Beat
les than anyone.
His idol became Bob Dylan.
And he would wear these cowboy bo
ots, bell-bottom jeans.
As he moved into his early twen
ties then, his idol became,
incidentally, his namesake.
[laughs] The rock star Lou Reed.
- Lou Sullivan donned a leather
jacket,
embraced a new identity,
and began to live life as a
gay trans man.
- Brice Smith: A lot of people
assigned female at birth
were really into these pop culture
icons:
the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Lou Ree
d.
But what was different with Lou
is that he both wantedthes
e men,
and also wanted to be them simu
ltaneously.
So, the lines between desire a
nd identification
were very blurred for him.
- Sullivan underwent a mast
ectomy
and received hormone therapy
while considering
a gender-affirming surgery
for years.
And although the surgery
was an established medical
practice by the 1970s,
Lou Sullivan's unique reque
st was denied.
- Lou Sullivan: I was told t
hat my case was too unusual,
that they had never heard of a
female-to-male
who wanted to be a gay man,
that they did not want to be th
e first to operate
and deal with such a person.
- Brice Smith: His youngest
brother, Patrick,
died in a motorcycle accident.
This is when he realized, "You k
now what?
"We don't have that long.
"If I were lying on my deathbed,
"I would regret not transition
ing.
This is something I've got to do."
- For nearly a decade,
Sullivan pleaded the case to
medical professionals
that someone could be a tr
ans man and also a homosexual.
And in 1986, he finally pre
vailed.
A doctor in San Francisco
agreed to perform the gend
er-affirming surgery,
charting new territory in t
he medical field.
- Brice Smith: As soon as he fo
und someone willing to help him,
then he just shouted from the roo
ftops
and spread the word.
It spread like wildfire throug
h the trans community.
- Lou Sullivan published a gr
oundbreaking guidebook
to help both doctors and tran
s people
bridge the gap between sexual
norientation and gender identity.
Sullivan also shared first-
hand experiences
with the trans community through
his female-to-male newsletter.
- Lou Sullivan: As long as no
one else is talking about it,
it's going to be forever silent,
and no one is going to hear ab
out it.
I wanted to connect with peopl
e
in feeling like an honest pers
on with people.
I just don't see any reason to hi
de it.
- Brice Smith: Lou was able to be
there for countless trans men.
There's just nothing like moving
in the world
and having everyone see you as
you know you should be seen,
as you have known yourself to b
e for so long.
- Lou Sullivan: I spent so man
y years
trying to figure out a place in
society.
Finally, I could breathe.
It felt so good.
- Dick Wagner: People who had d
ecided
to lead their authentic lives
in Wisconsin
had a sense that there were po
ssibilities,
[cheering]
including making marriage equali
ty a national reality.
- Patrick Farabaugh: Before marriag
e equality
became a big national movement,
one of the first places
to actually challenge for the
right to marry
was Milwaukee in the '70s.
[disco music]
- In 1971,
Milwaukee natives nDonna Burk
ett and Manonia Evans
went to the county clerk's o
ffice
to apply for a marriage license
.
The young lesbian couple was
promptly denied.
- Reporter: When did you decide
to take these steps,
and how did you come about that
decision?
- Manonia Evans: Well, we decid
ed this summer
that we would like to get marr
ied,
and there shouldn't be any reas
on
why we shouldn't be able to get a l
icense.
- A preacher's daughter,
Manonia Evans was a junior i
n college
when she met housing rights
activist Donna Burkett
in a gay bar in Milwaukee's
north side.
Two years later, they would mak
e history.
- Kristen Whitson: The act of
applying for a marriage license
as two women
got a lot of media attention.
- Jetmagazine ran a feature
on the young Milwaukee couple.
Their story was also picke
d up
by lesbian and gay publicat
ions
from around the country.
- Patrick Farabaugh: They were
at the front of the movement
at that period in time.
- Dick Wagner: The couple
was willing to be public about thei
r wish to be married,
which was significant.
- Kristen Whitson: It really wa
s a big part of the public understand
ing
of what same-sex couples wanted,
which was really just what everyb
ody else had.
- Radio Host: Donna and Manoni
a,
welcome to Gay Perspective.
And we welcome you to our progra
m to express your views.
- Manonia Evans: We're people
just like anybody else.
And we have feelings, too.
- Donna Burkett: I love her, an
d I don't care who knows.
It's not something that I want
to hide.
Love is not meant to be hidden,
and I won't hide it.
- Patrick Farabaugh: Donna Burk
ett was like, "Yeah, well,
"that's what you do when you l
ove somebody.
You go, and you marry them."
- Dick Wagner: She felt that
she had this right
and that she wasn't about to acc
ept being denied it.
- Burkett and Evans challenged
for the right to marry.
They filed a federal lawsui
t
on the grounds that the de
nial of marital benefits
did not afford the couple eq
ual protection
under the Constitution,
a legal argument ahead of its
time.
- Donna Burkett: They shouldn't
have any laws
on who you can marry
or who you can't marry.
That's none of their business.
If we're living together, we're sh
aring our money,
then we should have some protect
ion.
- Kristen Whitson: Donna and Ma
nonia said
that they felt they were missing
out on tax benefits
by not being allowed to marry,
which is true.
That was a significant part of
the fight for marriage equality
was to have the same civil rig
hts
that every other married couple h
ad.
- The young couple's vision
ary legal challenge
regarding marital benefits
was a predecessor for legalizing
same-sex marriage nationally
44 years later in 2015.
[cheering]
A landmark civil rights case
granting equal protection
to same-sex couples.
And though Burkett and Evan
s' lawsuit
was eventually dismissed on t
echnical grounds,
and the couple was refused
a legal marriage,
their love for each other
would not be denied.
- Reporter: Whether or not they obt
ain a marriage license,
they will be married
Christmas Day at St. Nicholas
Church in Milwaukee.
[cheering]
- Pastor: Well, God loves all
people.
Here are two people,
and He blesses their love for ea
ch other.
And so, that's what His church
is about
is blessing this union, which
is sacred of itself.
- Burkett and Evans' story
would ultimately draw national
attention
to marriage equality,
making a statement not only
about love,
but also a statement about nci
vil rights for LGBTQ+ people.
- Kristen Whitson: Queer people wh
o have had to struggle
with fewer rights than their he
terosexual counterparts
had never thought of even trying
to apply for a marriage license
before they read about Donna an
d Manonia trying to do it.
And that was an idea planted in
their heads
as something that they could fi
ght for in the future.
- Dick Wagner: It was something
that would have been unthinkable be
fore Stonewall.
- Manonia Evans: We want more out o
f life.
This is something really worth fi
ghting for.
[delicate piano]
[poignant piano music]
- Dick Wagner: In Wisconsin,
you repeatedly had lesbian and
gay publishers and editors
who felt the need to have these
gay publications here.
Gay Endeavor, Escape, In Step,
Hag Rag, Wisconsin Light.
They were an important part
of building community in this
state.
- These publications ofte
n reflected and spoke to
specific groups within the
growing LGBTQ+ community.
- Kristen Whitson: "Bi" quest
ion mark, "Shy" question mark, "W
hy" question mark,
as in "Why are you shy to be b
i?"
It was an organization
to recognize visibility and ad
vocacy for bisexuals.
They published a newsletter call
edBi-Lines.
- Dick Wagner: It had a little fun
in its pages in that regard.
But again, it was an example
of the need for an expression
of the community
and a physical manifestation of
the community in a publication.
- Patrick Farabaugh: You needed so
mething in community
that could take care of and pr
ioritize queer voices
in a way that supported them,
created space for them to explo
re their identity,
and just educate them around c
ultural issues
as basic as literally just findi
ng each other.
[electronic pop music]
- Dick Wagner: Leaping La Cross
e News was a smaller newsletter
that was published by the lesbia
n community in La Crosse.
It was published for decades in tha
t area.
- The Leaping La Crosse News
was established in 1979,
and became an ongoing record
of vibrant lesbian life
outside of Wisconsin's larg
er cities.
- Mary O'Sullivan: It was the way
a lot of women found us.
And they'd say, "Holy smoke!
I didn't know there were any lesb
ians in La Crosse."
They were just astonished that
there could be anything happeni
ng
in this little town of 50,000 pe
ople.
- The editor of the newsletter,
Mary O'Sullivan,
was a college instructor
who grew up in a supportive
family.
In La Crosse, she hoped to
build
that same support for other
women.
- Mary O'Sullivan: Pretty soon,
we had a thriving community of wome
n
who all knew each other and so
cialized.
- The Leaping La Crosse News
opened a whole new world
for fellow lesbians,
revealing an underground culture
that stretched well beyond the
bar scene.
- Mary O'Sullivan: If you get l
esbians together,
the first thing they are going
to do
is organize potlucks and group
s.
[chuckles]
- The monthly newsletter
connected the women with s
ocial events,
ran news stories nimpacting the
lesbian community,
and even covered entertainmen
t and sports.
- Mary O'Sullivan: Just being a
ble to pick up an eight-page newslett
er
that talked about people like
them and with like interests,
that was a huge thing.
- In 1979, Mary O'Sullivan an
d some of her friends
discovered that a local formal
wear shop
had been stockpiling ndisconti
nued tuxedos for years.
Inspiration soon struck!
- Mary O'Sullivan: We could buy the
se tuxes
for like five bucks for the wh
ole thing,
and we could have a formal wear
party.
- For some, it was the prom t
hat never was.
For others, a great night out,
akin to a costume party.
But for all, a celebration,
a place of acceptance.
- Mary O'Sullivan: We weren't t
rying to be men or masculine.
We were just trying to question
the every day and the accepted.
It was an outrageous thing to d
o.
But that was a really empowering
kind of experience.
- The annual tux party contin
ued for a decade,
helping La Crosse to later
be named
the fifth best place in the U.S.
for lesbians to live,
according toGirlfriends magazi
nein 2002.
The tight-knit group nin the s
mall Wisconsin community
had created a place all th
eir own.
- Mary O'Sullivan: It was like a bi
g family.
And for some women,
wewere their family because
they got kicked out.
The world wasn't all that safe t
hen.
- Kristen Whitson: Queer people
often feel more comfortable
with other queer people.
They didn't have to worry about be
ing bullied or harassed.
They know that their experiences ar
e not singular,
that they are not alone.
- Often closeted,
people all across Wisconsin
were finding each other.
Connecting in a world that
had marginalized them.
Persevering
in building meaningful and
enriching lives.
- Mary O'Sullivan: We had a real wo
rld, too.
- Yet, by the 1970s,
there were still no laws in A
merica
that protected those lives.
Homosexuals were often regarded
as criminals.
In Wisconsin, the pursuit
of equal rights
would bring together an unl
ikely group
on the cusp of making hist
ory.
- Dick Wagner: It was time to speak
out for homosexuals.
- Assemblyman Lloyd Barbee
was an ally to the gay rig
hts movement.
Before his time in the Legis
lature,
Barbee was a civil rights att
orney
who fought housing discrimi
nation
and led the effort
to desegregate Milwaukee's
public schools.
Elected to the Wisconsin State
Assembly in 1964,
he was the only African Ame
rican
in either house of the Legis
lature.
- Dick Wagner: Barbee felt deep
ly about the American promise
that should be extended to all
who were a part of society.
In his view, not only African A
mericans,
but homosexuals deserved rights,
as well.
- Barbee was a bold pioneer
for social reform
and was the first legislator
to challenge
the sex laws in Wisconsin,
calling to decriminalize ho
mosexuality
and legalize gay marriage.
- David Clarenbach: He was fre
quently referred to in the press
as "The Outrageous Mr. Barbee"
because he introduced these bi
lls that were
way, way before their time.
But thank goodness he did.
- Dick Wagner: He believed in
introducing legislation to educa
te folks.
And he was not shy about this.
- David Clarenbach: He stuck t
o his principles and objectives.
And he took a lot of flak because
of that.
- Lloyd Barbee: I think that homos
exuals
should not be harassed and beat
en down
and brutalized and insulted.
And we should not tolerate it.
- Morality laws
that had been on the books si
nce the 1800s
criminalized a variety of s
exual acts;
applying to everyone, not
just homosexuals.
- David Clarenbach: Most peopl
e didn't recognize
how restrictive Wisconsin stat
utes were
in criminalizing sex acts that w
ere pretty commonplace.
Things like oral sex,
even between a man and a woman
who were legally, lawfully married
,
was a criminal offense in Wisco
nsin.
- Yet, these morality laws
were selectively enforced;
a means to target and pros
ecute homosexuals.
- David Clarenbach: It was an ex
cuse
for rooting out gays and lesbia
ns and bisexuals
in the state.
- In 1974, at the age of 21
,
David Clarenbach was the younge
st member
elected to the Wisconsin St
ate Assembly.
- David Clarenbach: I certainl
y had known that I was gay
before I was elected to public of
fice.
But it wasn't a time when I felt
comfortable to come out,
especially as an extraordinarily yo
ung candidate.
n- Clarenbach grew up in Madison,
his family heavily involved
in social reform movements.
His mother, Kathryn, was a co
-founder
of the National Organization
for Women,
the largest feminist group
in America.
In the Legislature,
David Clarenbach teamed up
with Lloyd Barbee.
- David Clarenbach: Lloyd Barb
ee was not just my role model
and my mentor, but he really wa
s a prophet.
- Together, they drove leg
islation
to completely overhaul
the sex laws in Wisconsin.
But the two men were unsucce
ssful
in gaining enough support
from their fellow lawmakers
to advance such broad refor
m.
- Lloyd Barbee: It's not the job
of the state...
- In 1977, Lloyd Barbee left the
Legislature.
- Dick Wagner: Barbee passed the ba
ton on sex reform leadership
to David.
N- Rather than introducing bills
calling for sweeping change,
Clarenbach instead
focused on single-issue leg
islation.
He would land on the Conse
nting Adults Bill,
a law which would repeal
the morality laws nthat crimi
nalized homosexuality.
- David Clarenbach: They want
those
in violation of those statutes
put in jail.
- Dick Wagner: The basic premise
of homophobia
is that homosexuals are crimin
als.
- The Consenting Adults Bill
faced an uphill battle,
taking Clarenbach years to
advance it.
- David Clarenbach: Each ses
sion, it gained a little more tracti
on.
It kept moving forward.
And then, finally, in 1981,
the Consenting Adults Law
came to a vote in the Assembly,
and we lost it by one vote.
- A narrow defeat.
But with bipartisan support,
hope was still alive.
- David Clarenbach: This was a que
stion of momentum.
- Dick Wagner: The bill had
both Republicans and Democrats
supporting it.
- David Clarenbach: It proved
a legislator
could cast a vote for gay rights
,
and not feel that they're jeopar
dizing
their own reelection campaign.
- In Wisconsin, an opportunity
was within reach.
[pounds gavel]
Clarenbach signed on to co-
sponsor
a nondiscrimination gay righ
ts bill,
which would add sexual orien
tation
to protected nondiscriminat
ion categories
such as race, age, and reli
gion,
ensuring someone could not be
fired
from their job
or denied a mortgage for be
ing homosexual.
For the bill to succeed,
an expansive coalition of s
upport
would need to be built from
the ground up.
- David Clarenbach: The gay ri
ghts movement would not have advance
d
if it weren't for gay bars and
a gay press.
- The gay press kept people
informed,
tracking the progress of the
bill through the Legislature,
while gay bars became a place
for people to organize,
creating an outreach effort
to build public support for
the bill.
However, to convince some nla
wmakers who were on the fence,
the gay rights movement nneeded
to gain an unlikely ally:
one that had condemned homo
sexuality for centuries.
- David Clarenbach: We neede
d to get religious support
from the mainstream religious
community.
[nuns praying]
- The leader in the outreach
effort was Leon Rouse,
a UW-Milwaukee student activi
st
who organized a supportive group
of pastors and rabbis.
- Dick Wagner: You had to knock on
doors and say,
"Tell us what you think
about homosexuals and about homo
sexual issues."
It took some bravery to start kn
ocking on those doors.
- Rouse was short of a vital
endorsement.
The head nof Milwaukee's Catholi
c Church,
Archbishop Rembert Weakland.
After weeks of attending m
ass,
Rouse finally approached the
archbishop with his pitch.
- Dick Wagner: It's not whether ho
mosexuality is being approved.
It's whether discrimination is
tolerable.
- David Clarenbach: Could discrimi
nation and bigotry be tolerated
against any group in our society
?
That question turned the tide.
- Archbishop Weakland pl
edged his support.
- Dick Wagner: Archbishop Weakland
said that
"We have to see gay people
"not as an enemy to be battered d
own,
but as persons worthy of respe
ct and friendship."
- David Clarenbach: It was decis
ive.
Earth-shattering that a Catholic
Archbishop
would advocate in such a public
way.
- In December of 1981,
the gay rights nondiscrimination
bill
passed in the Wisconsin Asse
mbly.
Moving on to the state Senate
for a final vote.
- David Clarenbach: It was goi
ng to be close,
and we had one shot at this.
- On that fateful day,
the LGBTQ+ community would
not stand alone.
- David Clarenbach: Well, to b
e able to sit in the Senate chambers
and see the galleries packed wi
th nuns and priests
and other religious leaders
sent the message that it was a m
oral statement
to oppose discrimination and big
otry
against any group in our society
.
- The nondiscrimination bill
passed in the Senate
with religious backing and bi
partisan support.
On February 25, 1982,
the nation's first gay righ
ts legislation
was signed into law
by Wisconsin Republican gove
rnor Lee Sherman Dreyfus.
- Dick Wagner: It was an exciti
ng moment.
- David Clarenbach: We accomplishe
d something
that no one thought was possib
le.
No one would have guessed in 198
2
that of all states,
Wisconsin would be the first st
ate in the nation
to enact civil rights protections
for gays and lesbians.
But Wisconsin became known as "
the gay rights state."
- Crowd chanting: Wis-con-sin,
gay rights state, Wis-con-sin, gay r
ights state,
- Within a year,
Wisconsin passed the Consenti
ng Adults Bill,
followed by three additional
landmark pieces of legislation
protecting civil rights.
All starting with a visio
n for the future,
the courage to bridge a gap,
and the belief in equality.
- David Clarenbach: You did not ha
ve to be a female
to believe in equal rights for wo
men
any more than you needed to be L
GBT or Q
to be supportive of gay and lesbian
civil rights.
Civil rights are for everyone.
[poignant piano]
[heart monitor beeping]
- Dave Iverson: Wisconsin register
ed its first official case of AIDS,
an epidemic that has resulted i
n nearly 500 deaths,
mostly among homosexual men.
- David Clarenbach: The AIDS crisi
s hit like a bolt of lightning.
- Dick Wagner: We just felt th
at we were under siege.
Seeing our community dying around
us.
- Among that community was
Alyn Hess,
co-founder of Gay People's
Union.
And in San Francisco,
Wisconsin native nand trans pion
eer Lou Sullivan.
- Lou Sullivan: I discovered t
hat I had AIDS.
I was diagnosed with AIDS.
- Brice Smith: It was just hear
tbreaking,
gut-wrenching.
So many obstacles to overcome
in order to transition,
only to be diagnosed as having
AIDS.
- Dick Wagner: They tried to deny
him to live as a homosexual,
but he would die as a homosexual.
- From the outset of the A
IDS crisis,
a second epidemic was born
;
one of fear.
- We got a lot of homophobia fl
oating around,
and it doesn't surprise me.
- It's almost like being a leper
in olden times.
You go put them in the dirtiest
parts of the village
and keep them away from society
.
[heart monitor beeping]
- Person with AIDS: I wouldn't eve
n feel free to hug somebody.
Just because they got the scar
e in you, I guess.
I don't know.
[monitor beeping]
- As the disease spread throu
ghout the country,
Wisconsin remained committed
as the "gay rights state."
In 1983, newly-elected governor,
Tony Earl,
formed the Council on Gay a
nd Lesbian Issues.
A group that helped lay th
e groundwork
for a public health response
to the deadly disease.
- David Clarenbach: Governor E
arl was such an outspoken supporter
of the gay and lesbian communit
y
- By 1985,
he signed legislation that
protected the confidentiality
of people who tested for t
he virus.
And in 1990,
the state's next governor, To
mmy Thompson,
nsigned the AIDS Bill of Rights,
which prohibited insurance co
mpanies
from discriminating agains
t people with AIDS.
- Anchor: The bill is believed
to be the first of its kind in
the country.
- David Clarenbach: People wer
en't going to be fired from their job
s
or denied health insurance coverag
e
because of their HIV status.
- Legal protections were g
uaranteed in Wisconsin.
But with no cure,
the deadly crisis ncontinued
into a second decade.
- Dave Iverson: Reporting on AIDS
is a little like reporting on war:
a grim listing of the latest stat
istics.
- David Clarenbach: Unfortunat
ely, ongoing, continuing crises
are easily forgotten.
- Protester: We're here today t
o protest
the city of Milwaukee's
callous indifference to the AID
S crisis.
- The next generation of a
ctivists
fought public fatigue
with confrontational nand atte
ntion-grabbing actions.
- Anchor: AIDS activists passed ou
t
more condoms and pamphlets
at a Milwaukee high school this
morning.
- David Clarenbach: Organizati
ons like ACT UP
kept the spotlight focused on
the AIDS Crisis
and how it was affecting the real
lives of real people.
- In Madison,
ACT UP led a massive protest
over conditions for inmates
with AIDS.
The event brought hundreds to
the Capitol,
including future advice colum
nist Dan Savage
and longtime activist Judy G
reenspan.
- Judy Greenspan: AIDS in pris
on is a death sentence.
I visited a lot of prisons.
I met with a lot of prisoners wi
th HIV.
They were not getting medications.
They were being segregated.
- Dick Wagner: All they got
for lunch and dinner
was peanut butter and jelly sa
ndwiches
that would be shoved at them.
- ACT UP responded with a spe
cial delivery
to the State Capitol.
Hundreds of peanut butter sa
ndwiches
and a series of public prot
ests.
[protester calls out on megapho
ne]
- Judy Greenspan: It was an in-
your-face action to say,
"Look, stop this.
It's outrageous".
How they were treating
prisoners with HIV was absolutely
horrible.
[crowd chanting "Shame, shame,
shame!"]
- Dick Wagner: The activism
and the legislative victories
were an effort to try and do some
thing positive
in the face of what was still
a terrible epidemic
for the state to face.
- Kristen Whitson: There's not
a silver lining to it.
But if there was one,
it's that the LGBTQ+ community
was united, galvanized, and mo
tivated.
- The spirit of activism co
ntinued into the 1990s.
Protestors in Wisconsin led a
nationwide effort
to push back
against the military's refusal
to accept gays and lesbians.
In 2011, LGBTQ+ people coul
d finally serve openly.
And in 2022, Senator Tammy
Baldwin
guided federal legislation
that was signed into law,
protecting same-sex marriage,
part of the ongoing pursuit
of civil rights.
- Kristen Whitson: People have
fought for it,
have overcome the obstacles.
But LGBTQ+ rights are not static
.
- Kai Pyle: That fight is still
incredibly real and ongoing,
but there's hope.
- Dick Wagner: The progress ha
s just been amazing.
- Mary O'Sullivan: Being able t
o publicly say
the most important person in my
life
is this person right next to me,
and we're going to have a wond
erful damn life
for all the years that we've got
.
- Brice Smith: Times have changed
dramatically.
[laughs]
- Through the struggles,
through the victories,
Wisconsin history was writ
ten.
- David Clarenbach: History is
made by individuals.
- Ashley Brown: The individuals,
they come out of,
they reflect Wisconsin history.
- Michail Takach: Wisconsin is
fortunate
to have a lot of LGBTQ heroes
throughout its history.
- Dick Wagner: They had refused to
be ashamed of who they were.
It was just powerful.
They were remarkable people.
Brave people.
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- [Narrator] "All Creatures Grea
t and Small" has
lovingly captivated readers, v
iewers,
and animal lovers for the past
half century.
The pages of James Herriot's belo
ved memoirs
of his colorful life as a rural vet
erinarian
in the English countryside transp
ort us back
to a simpler time and place,
a pastoral setting where the lives
of villagers,
farmers, and animals are intert
wined.
- I'm sorry to drag you all the
way up here
on Christmas Eve.
- [Narrator] In true British tr
adition,
each season of "All Creatures Gr
eat and Small"
on MASTERPIECE culminates
with a heartwarming Christmas
special,
and captures the warmth, down-to-
earth wit,
and generosity of spirit of the Yor
kshire Dales
and its hardworking residents.
- Merry Christmas, everyone.
- [Group] Merry Christmas!
- [Narrator] Grab a blanket and
a cup of hot cocoa
as we spend Christmas in the Dales
with James,
Helen, Siegfried, Tristan, Mrs
. Hall,
and all the colorful characters o
f these stories.
The special holiday episodes
that conclude each season are fill
ed with wonder,
romance, mischief, and cheer.
We'll explore a behind the sce
nes look
at the magical, unforgettable wo
rld
of the series' Christmas specials
as the cast and creators share th
eir thoughts
and stories in this special pr
esentation,
"All Creatures Great and Small: C
hristmas in the Dales."
(upbeat orchestral music)
- [Eva] It's Christmas, it's C
hristmas!
(upbeat orchestral music continues)
- Merry Christmas.
- [Melissa] Christmas is such
a big deal.
It's a celebration, I think, o
f the values
at the heart of the show.
- [Mrs. Dobson] Happy Christma
s, James.
- Merry Christmas, Mrs. Dobson.
- [Rachel] Christmas is a great
opportunity
to perfectly encapsulate all the
things
that are "All Creatures."
Love, community, togetherness.
I think Christmas is a great ti
me to celebrate that.
- I've got a magic mask and when I
put it on,
I can be anyone I like.
(slow orchestral music)
Do you want to try it on?
(slow orchestral music continues)
Now, doesn't that feel better?
- It's a Christmas special, it f
eels a bit special,
you know, you feel warm and fu
zzy when you watch it.
(group laughs)
- [Tristan] Yes.
- Christmas heightens all of tha
t.
It brings everyone together,
it heightens everyone's emotions
and relationships,
and there's a lot of hijinks at
Christmas, as well.
- What's all this bloody mistletoe
?
It looks like Kew Gardens.
- Tristan's playing the odds.
- [Melissa] There's always a bit
of romance.
It's an important aspect to the Chr
istmas special.
- [Gerald] When does the party st
art tonight?
- [Mrs. Hall] Oh, anytime afte
r 7:30.
- Well, I look forward to it.
- See you then.
(crowd noise)
- Make sure your lipstick's on
and the mistletoe is up.
- We're very fortunate here that
it looks and feels lovely.
It's like walking into a tradit
ional Christmas card.
- It was a really magical time f
or us kids.
Christmas was totally magic.
- [Child] I can see Santa.
- [Nicholas] In Britain, the Ch
ristmas Special is something
that is quite timeless.
You know, I remember watching
them as kids with my parents,
and to be a part of that kind
of history
and that legacy, it's just wond
erful.
- Are those presents?
- I think they might be,
but I'm not sure there's any here
for you.
- [Helen] I'll put them under t
he tree.
- [Samuel] I've always been pa
rticularly proud
of the Christmas episodes
because they always seem to em
body exactly
what Christmas is, about a communit
y being together
and looking after each other.
- It's only been the three of us
at Christmas since Mom died,
so we're quite excited, aren't we
?
- You'd better wear loose trouser
s
because we have got a hell of a goo
se in this year.
- [Nicholas] It's about people h
elping one another,
their own community coming tog
ether,
and the dusting of snow and all th
at good stuff
that we associate with Christmas
and that time spent with friends, w
ith family.
- [Siegfried] Trying to make yo
u into
someone you're not is a waste of
the person you are.
Let's just attempt
to enjoy one another's company
this year, shall we?
- Sounds delightful.
- [Narrator] At the end of Sea
son One,
Helen is scheduled to marry Hugh
on December 25th,
but that plan is complicated by a
litter
of Christmas Eve puppies.
- [Tristan] Staying for the we
dding,
or is it all too heartbreaking?
- I couldn't be happier for Hele
n and Hugh.
- Don't you just sound it.
- By the end of Season One, he
's pretty much brokenhearted
after finding out that Helen has ju
st accepted
to marry Hugh.
- This time tomorrow, we'll be
married.
- [Hugh] I know, and then the rest
of our lives.
(kissing noise)
(slow orchestral music)
- [Rachel] Christmas Day wedding
in Darrowby,
everybody's out, it's a big deal,
and of course Helen feels a bit
overwhelmed.
- Everybody wants to talk about the
wedding.
I'd just rather talk about anyt
hing but.
- [Melissa] It's a gorgeous st
ory from the Herriot books
about a sort of Christmas animal
emergency
up in the High Dales.
- You being called out?
- Going up to the Chapman's.
Susie's having trouble with her
pups.
- Do you mind if I come with you?
- [Nicholas] Everything inside
him is bursting to go,
"Yes, yes, come, come," and he
swallows that and says.
- I think you should probably
stay and enjoy the party.
- [Helen] Please, James,
anything to take me mind off it a
ll.
- [Melissa] Ben Vanstone wanted
to get James and Helen,
as they do in the books, actually,
to a location that is quite a
long way away
and get them stuck there overnight.
- Come in.
Oh, well. - Evening.
- Evening, Bert, Anne.
- We were actually filming in J
anuary,
and the Dales in January are really
unforgiving,
and we were really isolated
in this sort of little cottage
in the middle of nowhere,
so you kind of felt it a bit.
It felt like it was real, we wer
e really there.
- [Nicholas] It was really smal
l, it was a bit rundown,
but it made the whole thing that
much more intimate
and cozy and that Christmas feel.
- All right, Susie, just going
to check how you're doing.
(Susie whines)
- [James] Good girl, good girl.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Rachel] As actors, you're so i
nvested in it,
you know, we read the scripts
like fans.
You know, I read the script, I'
m like,
you know, and Nick and I will t
ext each other
and be like, "Have you read tha
t bit yet?
It's really exciting."
- I can feel it coming towards me.
(Susie whines)
Oh, she's starting to push.
- Good girl, good girl. (Susie w
hines)
- Oh, I've got it.
- The interesting bits happened
in the bits that weren't dialogue,
their standing together, their clos
e proximity,
looking after the puppies and
sort of really realizing
that their missions were aligned
, actually.
- Well done.
- You too.
- [Nicholas] It's just a special
moment in the journey
of those two characters, and al
most seems kind of fateful,
you know, that they would end up
at that place
and the fog would come in.
(mysterious music)
- I can't drive home in this.
- [Rachel] As the fog fell on the
little house
where Susie and the puppies were,
it was almost like the clarity
did, as well, in her life.
- [Nicholas] You don't need so
much material things.
It's about the people that you
're with.
You have this lovely couple in An
ne and Bert.
- [Anne] By rights, Bert should
have
wanted naught to do with me,
but love don't see with the eyes.
It comes from in here.
In the end, there's no fighting
it.
- [Nicholas] She can see the co
nnection
between James and Helen,
even if they're both not willing
to admit it at the time.
(slow orchestral music)
- She's marrying Hugh tomorrow.
- [Anne] Yet here she is, night
before her wedding,
up in the High Dales with your sor
ry looking face.
- [Nicholas] So of course Bert
and Anne have gone to bed,
and they stay up, and, you know,
they have this chat and get to kno
w each other,
even a slightly a bit better.
- There's a few things I'd change.
- Like what?
- I might have told you.
- What?
What might you have told me?
- That going up to a farm in t
he High Dales the night
before your wedding was a very bad
idea. (laughs)
(slow orchestral music)
- [Rachel] It really dawned on
her,
I think she probably knew in he
r head
that marrying Hugh and doing th
at wasn't 100% right,
but I think in that moment, it f
ell into her body,
you know, and you have that, like,
"Oh, right, God, I've really got
to do this now."
- You should probably get some
rest.
Big day tomorrow.
- G'night, James.
- Good night.
- [Nicholas] Two people realiz
ing that they actually
genuinely are interested in one a
nother,
and, you know, very much attracted
to one another.
(slow oboe music)
(slow oboe music crescendoes)
(slow orchestral music)
- [Narrator] You might want to gr
ab a sausage roll
or a piece of cake as we take a loo
k
at the food of Christmas.
- Anything I can do to help?
- Hmm, stay out the way and don't
touch anything.
- Understood.
- Food has got real currency in
our show and world,
and at Christmas even more so.
- [Mrs. Hall] I just hope our Chri
stmas party guests
are hungry.
- [Anna] Mrs. Hall loves to feed
everybody,
so I think creating those big
feasts is
an absolute joy for her.
(crowd noise)
- How do we feel about Brussels
sprouts?
Edward likes them, but you can't no
t have sprouts.
I'll get a pound.
- I feel honored you even asked.
- [Melissa] It's a wonderful mo
ment for
Mrs. Hall to whip up a feast,
and there's a lot of tradition
al foods
that British Christmas would in
clude.
- [Tristan] I had trouble findin
g red currants.
- You know, they don't sell them
at The Drovers.
- How do you know, how do you a
lways know?
- Because I'm a mother we've a
sixth sense.
(Tristan laughs)
- I think home for Tristan mean
s being
very well fed by Mrs. Hall.
- [Anna] It's quite traditiona
l cooking.
A lot of what's in those spreads
is not in living memory,
but is sort of, you feel connec
ted to it in some way.
- [Mrs.Hall] Paws off.
- Saving them for someone special?
- We have little nibbles every no
w and then.
Like, some of this stuff has be
en cooked and preserved,
so you don't go near it, but so
me of the stuff you can eat.
At the end of the day,
we'll come over and, like, pinch
little bits.
- [Callum] When the scene is c
ompleted,
all the cast and crew just descend
upon the table,
and they're just grabbing bits
of whatever they can get their
hands on.
- Anything I can do, Mrs. Hall?
- Well, you can take them saus
age rolls through for me,
would you, James?
There's a good lad.
- [Anna] The work and effort t
hat goes
into that is her expression of l
ove to that family
and to everybody, anyone who wa
nts to come. (laughs)
The more the merrier.
- Gerald, you simply have to he
ar this.
- Diana?
Oh.
- What's so interesting?
- Nutmeg, I put it in the sausa
ge rolls.
Gives them an extra bit of pep.
- Oh, your secret's safe with me
.
- It's a really universal idea
and universal picture of wonde
rful food
with people gathered around, eati
ng together.
- Let's eat, and don't be naughty.
- [Anna] Whatever brings people
to the table together
I think is what ultimately makes
her happy.
- It's times like this which re
mind me how grateful I am
for everything I have.
Not the practice or the house
or the beautiful countryside,
or any other thing,
(slow orchestral music)
it's the people.
(slow orchestral music grows)
Infuriating as you all are, I'm
rather fond of you,
and,
well, there's that.
So...
Well...
Merry bloody Christmas.
- [Group] Merry bloody Christmas!
- [Narrator] As we say cheers to
"All Creatures,"
it wouldn't be a proper celebration
without an appearance by Father Ch
ristmas at Skeldale House.
- If these kids don't see Father C
hristmas soon,
there'll be murder, so who's i
t to be?
- [Nicholas] Who's gonna play
Santa is
always there between the cast,
"I wonder who's gonna play San
ta this year?"
Siegfried, you look very festive.
- [Tristan] He's St. Nick.
Every year he hands out oranges to
the kids.
- I thought you wore red and whi
te.
- Only since some blasted
American drinks company told us
so.
The real Father Christmas, St. N
icholas,
wears green and white and so s
hall I.
- [Thomas] Green and white is
sort of how it used to be,
and then adapted to be red and
white,
and gone on from there.
(children gasping)
- [Tristan] I'm seeing a lot of
evidence
of children being naughty and
not a whole lot being nice.
- The first Christmas where Tr
istan dressed up as an elf,
well, (laughs) I'll always feel
fond of that.
I've got lovely pictures of Cal
out
by the trailer doing lots
of Zoolander in his elf gear.
(laughs)
- All right, King Herod's best
behaved, he goes first.
- Hello, hold on.
Father Christmas just needs to oil
his pipes.
- Being Santa, that's got to be,
that's a pretty special moment
to don the green and white suit.
- [James] Hello, children.
- Who wants to see Father Christmas
?
- [Children] Me! - Merry Christmas.
- Come on, then. - Ho, ho, ho.
- Then James did his turn, a va
liant effort, I thought.
Ho, ho, ho.
- Hello, Father Christmas.
- Hello.
Have an orange.
- Thank you.
- [James] Merry Christmas.
- Merry Christmas. - Merry Christma
s.
- [Narrator] With all the differen
t Santa hats worn
over the years, we asked the cast,
who is your favorite Skeldale
House Father Christmas?
- How dare you ask?
There is only one original, it
's got to be me.
- My favorite Skeldale House Father
Christmas,
this is so easy for me to answ
er, is Richard Alderson.
- Richard Alderson. (laughs)
- Richard Alderson as Santa, th
e grumpiest Santa around.
(group chattering)
- [Maggie] Not got many takers
this year?
- Father Christmas is lacking his
usual charm.
(child cries)
- How many more of these buggers do
I have to see?
- The scene where he looks entire
ly displeased
to be Father Christmas,
and the reaction of that girl
did make me laugh out loud.
- [Richard] Well, come in, then.
(Richard sighs)
- He was kind of miserable,
didn't really want to be there.
The kids are a bit scared of him.
His whole demeanor was really
disconcerting for a Santa.
- He looks funny.
- [Richard] Right, are you coming
in or not?
- [Helen] Dad, be nice.
- From reading the script, I kn
ew that would be funny,
but it was funnier than I even
imagined.
- [Nicholas] I was lucky because
the camera wasn't on me.
I was, like, holding back tears
in my eyes
from watching and listening to
him being Santa.
I thought it was absolutely bri
lliant.
- Here.
- Do you not have any sweets?
- [Richard] No, I've got an oran
ge.
- Christmas is strange.
- [Narrator] We broke the news
to Sam West
that Richard Alderson, who was play
ed by Tony Pitts,
was the unanimous winner, but
he didn't seem to agree.
- No, I think, accept no subst
itutes.
All else is imitation.
- [Narrator] Missing loved ones
at Christmas is something
everyone has experienced, but
in the case of Mrs. Hall
at the end of Season One,
it's even more emotional and comp
licated.
She desperately wants to see he
r son Edward at Christmas,
but they've been estranged since sh
e felt obligated
to report him to the police for
stealing
from her former employer.
- [Melissa] This tonal space is
truthful, painful, funny,
and we don't like to leave an
audience
in one place for too long.
- [Rachel] Although it's beautifu
l,
Christmas for a lot of people,
is also really lonely and can
be a reminder
of the people that are missing
or, you know,
things that aren't the same anymore
.
- You're allowed to be upset,
you know.
- About Edward? (sighs) No, I'm pl
eased for him,
probably got something much mor
e exciting
to do on Christmas Day than hang
ing around with his mother.
- [Anna] With Edward, she hasn't
necessarily handled the situation
perfectly.
She knows that and wants to be able
to resolve that
with him, but she needs to be able
to do it with him.
- [Dorothy] No news of Edward?
- [Mrs. Hall] It said in his le
tter
he'd be here Christmas Eve.
- [Dorothy] After what he put
you through,
he'd better be groveling on bende
d knee.
- That's in past, I'm putting
all of that behind us.
- Well, just make sure you hide the
silverware.
I'm sorry, Aud, once but-
- He wants to come, that's eno
ugh for me.
(bell rings)
That could be him now.
- Her son's made empty promises
to come and meet her.
He doesn't come at Christmas.
(phone rings)
- Darrowby 2297.
Hello, how can I help?
- Is it Edward?
- Bert Chapman.
(slow orchestral music) -
[Anna] Siegfried understands exactly
what's going on.
- Still no word from Edward? (gro
up chattering)
- [Samuel] Mrs. Hall is deeply
sad and disappointed
that her only son is not home f
or Christmas
and has managed to mask that,
which of course Anna does so be
autifully,
until singing at midnight mass
at a particular carol.
♪ Let every heart prepare him room
♪
♪ And heaven and nature sing,
and heaven and nature sing ♪
♪ And heaven, and heaven and nat
ure sing ♪
- [Anna] What Ben Vanstone does
brilliantly,
our lead writer, is find a really s
imple gesture
that spoke more than any words woul
d have done.
- [Samuel] In the middle of midn
ight mass
while we're singing a carol,
I just reach across and hold h
er hand.
♪ He rules the world with tru
th and grace ♪
♪ And makes the nations prove
- [Melissa] In this show, the
small things
are the big things,
small moments for our characte
rs are sort of
hugely sometimes profound and
impactful and emotional,
so that's got to be a really sp
ecial Christmas moment.
- The idea of your friend being ab
le to help you
through something difficult, help
you keep going,
is such a gesture of true friends
hip and love.
♪ And wonders, wonders of his
love ♪
- [Anna] To share that moment is qu
ite bonding.
You can just quietly absorb th
at that moment happened,
and I think a lot of people will
probably connect with that.
- [Samuel] It's not always pur
ely happy.
People have sadnesses, people have
difficulties.
People have absences and things
don't go according to plan,
but we pull together and we hel
p each other
through these times, and whethe
r they're happy or sad.
- [Mrs. Hall] You took me in,
no reference or explanation
as to why I left my previous job.
I should have told you before,
but I couldn't stand the thought
of you disapproving of me.
- Oh, Mrs. Hall, I don't think I
ever could.
Of course I had no real choice
about offering you the job.
- What, no one else could put
up with you?
- Exactly.
(slow orchestral music)
(Mrs. Hall laughs)
- [Narrator] When we return,
we'll look at more magical moments,
including James's decision
to turn his car around on Chris
tmas Day,
and the holiday kindness shown to M
rs. Pumphrey
in "All Creatures Great and Smal
l: Christmas in the Dales."
(slow orchestral music)
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to"All Creatures Great and Small :
Christmas in the Dales."
Coming up, we'll look
at the playful way mistletoe is
incorporated into the show,
but first, let's take a look
at how making the season finales
sometimes feels like Christmas
in June.
(birds chirping)
(sweeping angelic orchestral m
usic)
- [Samuel] Season one shot from Sep
tember to January,
which meant that we did our Christ
mas episode
at Christmas, which was nice a
nd cold.
Now we're doing our Christmas
episode
in June, (laughs) and we're al
l boiling.
- Mrs. Hall, might there be a secre
t
you've been keeping from me?
- I'm sure there are many.
- [Melissa] It's always a very
warming experience,
both sort of in our hearts and
actually with the weather.
Last year, we were filming Christma
s inside the house
with the fire on, old thick wool,
felt dressing gowns, the cast w
ere boiling.
- Are you the real Father Christmas
?
Your beard doesn't look real,
and I don't think it's very nice
to pretend to be someone you're
not.
- [Richard] Ah, well, he's a pa
l of mine
and he says it's all right.
- [Nicholas] We film these Chri
stmas specials in June,
and a lot of the time, it's roa
sting hot
under the dusting of snow, and
I'm in a three piece suit
with a jacket and gloves on.
- There's a good witch and a ba
d witch.
- And a little man who lives behind
a curtain.
He's called Oz and he's a wizard.
- Wow.
- The only thing I'd like to do
again
is the boys tiptoeing across a
cold floor
without their slippers,
because if it really was mid-Dece
mber in North Yorkshire,
they'd do that a lot quicker
than they did in mid June when
we shot it.
- [Tristan] Merry Christmas, Jim.
- [Anna] You do have the harsh
reality of,
you've got ice packs shoved
down inside your costume (laughs)
so that you're not sweating on set.
- [Melissa] It's always a very
particular experience,
when they have to pretend to be
cold outside when it isn't.
- [Helen] Merry Christmas.
- [James] Merry Christmas. (lau
ghs)
- How's Tricki?
- Woke up and tucked straight int
o a bowl of food.
He's gonna be fine, thanks to yo
u.
- Obviously filming the "All Cr
eatures Great and Small"
Christmas Special is a little bit c
hallenging.
There's grass growing everywhere
,
which there shouldn't be at Ch
ristmastime,
and there's flowers everywhere,
and there's leaves on the tree
s everywhere.
But they are very clever in th
e way that they operate,
and they also sometimes bring
all the white snow effect stuff an
d scut it around.
- [Thomas] There's definitely
limitations
to shooting Christmas in summer.
We'll be transforming it with
a bit of frost
and hopefully a bit of snow if
possible.
- I used to sit for hours watchi
ng it fall past my window
when I was a kid.
- [Narrator] One of the larger
locations
to transform into Christmastime
is Mrs. Pumphrey's estate,
which in real life is named Br
oughton Hall.
- They put fake snow everywhere,
and the Christmas tree invariably
droops a little bit.
So if you're watching
and the Christmas tree isn't a
s perky,
perhaps as it might be,
it's because it's actually filmed
in summer.
- She's a little underweight.
The poor girl's exhausted.
- Can I examine him?
- Here you are.
(slow orchestral music)
- You feel Christmas-y when you wal
k onto set.
- [Thomas] It sort of puts a goo
d vibe not only
to the sort of crew and cast m
embers,
but the art department has a good t
ime doing it.
- [Speaker On Radio] And so to
all of you,
we send our Christmas greeting.
- [Narrator] At the end of Sea
son One,
we experience an important Christ
mas decision.
James returns after
that long night delivering puppie
s with Helen.
- Thank you.
- Happy Christmas.
- [Narrator] He's tired and upset,
and everyone in Skeldale is concern
ed about James.
- You should get home to be with y
our mother.
- I was considering staying.
- Don't.
- It's for the best.
Sorry, love.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Melissa] Because the Christ
mas Special
is the season finale,
we've often built up to quite b
ig moments
for our characters.
(bells ringing)
(slow orchestral music swells)
(slow piano music)
- I just remember being so investe
d in the story,
but also understanding the weig
ht of it.
(piano music)
- It'll be all right,
no matter what.
(piano music)
- I had a spot that I found ve
ry early
before we'd even started filming th
at I just loved,
it was a road that dipped down,
and then when we got that turna
round spot
in the Christmas special, we th
ought, "We know the spot."
(slow piano and orchestral music)
- It was intense, you know, in
that moment,
there is a literal crossroads,
and he has a decision to make.
(slow orchestral music continues)
(piano theme swells)
- [Nicholas] I remember even,
like, my friends telling me
they were there watching it, goi
ng,
"Turn around, turn around. (laughs)
You've got to turn around!"
- [Gary] I remember watching it
with my daughter at home
and she went, "Turn 'round."
She's 14, "Turn 'round, James."
(slow orchestral music)
(lush string music swells)
(piano crescendoes with orchestr
al music)
- [Nicholas] The U-turn in the car,
the racing back to the church.
(door rattles)
(slow piano music)
He thinks he's missed the wedd
ing and it's gone ahead,
but it hasn't and he finds her
alone there in the church.
- [Rachel] What I love about He
len is she
always does what's right
and not what's easy, and in tha
t moment,
it was a, "Right, well, I know wha
t I've got to do."
- [Helen] I thought you were g
oing home.
- [James] Something inside said I
should be here.
- Told you I'd make a fool of
meself.
- [Rachel] Backing out of a we
dding now
is a hugely plucky thing to do,
but to do it in 1937,
that takes some guts.
- Oh, James, (cries) what have I do
ne?
Hugh didn't deserve this. (cries
)
How am I gonna face anyone?
- I really admire that that was
her decision
because her life would have bee
n easier
if she'd have married Hugh Hul
ton.
That's the truth, and then James co
mes on the scene
andt kind of illuminates anothe
r path for her,
and she has that really hard de
cision.
- You didn't do this because yo
u're cruel or unkind.
You did it because you're the
opposite of those things.
- I think he's just so happy to b
e there with her
at that moment and be there kind
of just for her.
(slow piano music)
(slow piano music and orchestr
al swell)
(whimsical flute music)
- [Narrator] One way or another,
mistletoe in Darrowby finds a way
into the Christmas special.
- Hello, is that you over there
, Maggie?
- Aye, and I'll be having none o
f your blather,
Tristan Farnon, so either buy s
omething
or get a wriggle on.
(group chattering) (donkey brays)
Don't know why you're looking a
t me.
It's you pair that are under it.
- I'll, I'll take the whole lot,
every last sprig.
It'll be put to good use tonight, d
on't you worry.
- [Melissa] If you're standing
under the mistletoe
with someone, you have to kiss the
m,
so of course that was a very b
ig opportunity
for the writers to have some fun w
ith Tristan.
- I blame Tristan entirely for th
e occurrence
of mistletoe (laughs) every year.
- You're incorrigible.
- James, if you are to win at this
game of life,
you must play many hands.
- [Nicholas] We have those awkw
ard moments
when two characters do bump
into each other underneath the m
istletoe,
and for whatever reason maybe c
an't,
shouldn't want to, maybe not (lau
ghs) kiss.
- Night before a wedding,
you don't want to wish her bad luc
k.
- Oh, right, sorry.
Merry Christmas.
- You too.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Nicholas] With the mistletoe in
the house,
it always just leads to opportu
nities
for all the characters.
- That boy just is blooming inc
orrigible.
- [Anna] I think Mrs. Hall slig
htly dreads it, (laughs)
at the same time as it's rathe
r lovely
and it's part of Christmas trad
ition.
So I'm sure it's a point of great c
onflict for her.
- [Tristan] This is the only one,
so you know where to say your goodb
yes with Gerald.
- [Nicholas] As long as it's up,
who knows what could happen? (l
aughs)
(door opens)
(slow orchestral music)
- You made it.
- [Gerald] I said I would.
- [Anna] The arrival of Gerald
makes Mrs. Hall think a little
bit
about a side of herself that she h
asn't engaged
with in a long time.
(Mrs. Hall sighs) - Look at that,
it's sort of fun...
- Audrey, there's really no need
to panic.
- [Anna] It's exciting to think
that there are new paths ahead
that she perhaps hadn't consider
ed before.
♪ There is nothing for me but
to love ♪
- That were for earlier, the mis
tletoe.
Bad luck otherwise.
- The doors are open for new advent
ures. (laughs)
(closing door)
(slow orchestral music)
(slow orchestral music swells)
- [Anna] It's so lovely seeing
them finally have that moment
'cause there's so much in the worl
d
that feels like it's going wrong,
that you almost shed all of that
and just go,
"What I just want to do is kiss yo
u," (laughs)
so she does it, and it's just reall
y gorgeous.
- You came back.
- I picked up the wrong coat.
- Oh.
(slow orchestral music continues)
- Well, I'm glad I did.
- [Narrator] "All Creatures" r
eminds us
of many important ideas about life
,
and one is, you should always
call home on Christmas.
- You have a few Christmas cards.
- Oh, this is from Dad.
- Your mom must be upset you're
not back for Christmas.
- Well, they've got Uncle Alf
and the kids coming over,
I'm sure she'll be fine.
- Oh, James, your mother won't
be fine,
which is why she's got people c
oming to stay,
take her mind off it.
- Being together is a really wo
nderful, happy thing,
but actually the truth of Chris
tmas is,
people are missing people.
It sort of exaggerates difficul
ties within families.
- He wants me to call tomorrow
at five.
- Well, that's good, isn't it?
It means you get to speak to y
our mom.
- Oh, I hope so.
- She's your mother, of course
she wants
to talk to you on Christmas Day.
- [Nicholas] They made a time
to call
because they don't have a phone in
the house,
so they are stuck inside a pho
ne box.
- It's good to hear your voice.
- [Mrs. Herriot] How are you ke
eping,
are you having a nice time?
- I'm fine, Mom, everything's fine.
How are you getting on?
- [Mrs. Herriot] Oh, you know,
Christmas doesn't change much
from one year to the next, but we'r
e happy enough.
- Merry Christmas, son.
- He's in such a great place at
that time,
he's engaged to this incredible
woman
that he's madly in love with,
and he's found this surrogate
family,
but at the same time, his fami
ly isn't.
- [Mrs. Herriot] We miss you, love,
I know you have to be there, b
ut we still miss you.
(slow orchestral music)
- Aye, I miss you, too.
- [Melissa] It's always import
ant to get that balance
of love and celebration and comm
unity,
but also reflecting the truth of t
hat season
for a lot of people and the challe
nges of it.
- [Nicholas] Having not spoken
to them for so long,
he has that moment where he jus
t wants
to thank them, really.
- [James] Mom, I never said tha
nk you.
- For what?
- If it wasn't for you and Dad payi
ng
for me to go to college,
I wouldn't be here doing the jo
b I love.
- It's the right thing to say o
ut loud,
and it's Christmas, and you sh
ould say,
"If I haven't done before, than
k you very much for that."
- I'll always, always be so grat
eful
for everything you did for me.
- Don't be daft, you're our boy.
(slow orchestral music continues)
- [Narrator] Nothing captures
the spirit of Darrowby more
than when we see the kindness o
f Christmas.
(slow orchestral music)
(car noises)
- [Roger] Christmas at Broughton
is a special time
because it's made for those so
rt of events,
so it's a time for happiness, it
's the best time.
- This is a big house for one
person.
- Yes, it is,
which is why I like it when pe
ople come to visit me.
- [Narrator] But one Christmas
at the end of Season Two,
Mrs. Pumphrey was alone for th
e holiday.
- [Mrs. Pumphrey] Oh, look, Tr
icki, it's Mr. Farnon.
- Morning, Mrs. Pumphrey, hello,
Tricki.
- [Mrs. Pumphrey] Please excuse
the state of things.
I've sent my staff home.
It's only right people should be
with their families at Christmas
.
- [Melissa] The truth of Christma
s is
people are often really lonely
and Christmas can be a really c
hallenging
and difficult and lonely time fo
r people.
(phone rings)
- Pumphrey residence.
- [Narrator] Meanwhile, Helen an
d James
are having the opposite problem.
They don't know which house to
go to for Christmas lunch.
- James and Helen have this dilemm
a
of where they're gonna have Chr
istmas,
you know, now that they're engaged.
I didn't realize you'd be inviti
ng me to Christmas lunch.
- Where did you think we'd be?
- Skeldale House, Mrs. Hall's e
xpecting us.
- Certainly at Christmas, let's
try
and manage the stress levels an
d keep everybody happy.
I think that's something that's sti
ll relevant now.
- [Mrs. Hall] I hope you told
James not
to bring anything for lunch to
morrow.
- Actually-
- I'm so pleased we're having you f
or Christmas,
and a crowd helps you forget th
e ones you're missing.
- We're really looking forward to i
t, aren't we?
- Oh, yes, aye.
- They obviously have the tricky d
ecision of,
well, where do we spend it?
- And then James ends up, up visit
ing Mrs. Pumphrey,
I think a Tricki related issue.
She is just there by herself.
- We couldn't persuade you in
for a glass of sherry by the fire
?
- I, I would love to, but-
- Oh, no, you're expected elsew
here.
That was unfair of me, I shouldn't
have asked.
- I'm sorry.
- No, go and be with your family,
as it should be.
Merry Christmas.
- Merry Christmas.
- [Nicholas] And then he catche
s himself and he's like,
"No, actually, I'll, yeah,
I will come in for a sherry."
- You know what, Mrs. Pumphrey
, why not?
- [Nicholas] And I think that
sparks the
idea then to rally the troops,
and instead of going to either
the farm or Skeldale,
bring everyone, bring Christma
s and fun,
laughter, company to Mrs. Pump
hrey's.
(car engine revs)
(slow orchestral music)
(car doors closing outside)
(group chattering)
- [Nicholas] Yes, I've got it.
(slow orchestral music)
(slow orchestral music swells)
- [Samuel] We sort of all end
up there,
without thinking about it too much.
It just feels like a spontaneou
s thing, where we go,
"Right, let's move the tree, let'
s move the food."
- [Siegfried] Allow me, Mrs. Pumphr
ey, let's get these open,
let some Christmas light into t
he house.
There we are.
- [Mrs. Pumphrey] Oh, this is
too much, having you all here.
- [Rachel] Everybody is togeth
er, and
we look after Mrs. Pumphrey,
as well, which is beautiful.
- [Callum] We've all just had a bl
ast making it,
and I think hopefully if that
bleeds
across onto the screen, then it
'll be a real joy to watch.
- [Melissa] It's about community.
It's about reaching out and br
inging people together.
(slow orchestral music)
- Here.
- I said to Alexandra Harwood,
our composer,
"Could you compose a four-hande
d version
of 'Ding Dong Merrily on High' in a
bout 48 hours?"
And she did it in 24.
(upbeat piano music)
- When I heard that Sam West wa
s going to play the piano,
I was delighted because it gave
us a really good excuse
to get it tuned.
When the piano was being played i
n the red drawing room,
it's just magical, it made it
so special.
♪ E'en so here below
♪ Let steeple bells be swungen
♪ And E oh, E oh, E oh
♪ By priest and people sungen
- Rather than being very kind of in
ward focusing,
it's always important
that our characters are more outwa
rd focusing
and looking around them to those wh
o need to be sort
of scooped up or brought in for C
hristmas.
- The onus is about that communi
ty
and kindness to one another and
compassion,
not only for the animals,
but for one another and for th
e people.
It ended up being the perfect way
to spend Christmas, really.
♪ Hosannah in excelsis
(slow orchestral music)
- I shall never forget your ki
ndness.
- Merry Christmas, everyone.
- [Group] Merry Christmas!
- [Narrator] When was return, we
'll take a look
at the always popular Skeldale C
hristmas party,
and we'll also explore some holiday
traditions
in "All Creatures Great and Smal
l: Christmas in the Dales."
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Welcome back to "All Creatures Gr
eat and Small:
Christmas in the Dales."
Coming up, we'll explore the ho
liday traditions included
in the Christmas specials, but
first,
let's take a look at the Skeldale C
hristmas party.
- [Mrs. Hall] Hello, merry Chri
stmas.
- Merry Christmas.
- [Melissa] Every year, Mrs. Hall
and Siegfried
and the house have a party,
a kind of community party, reall
y,
for their farmer clients and th
eir friends in the village,
and that is used as a space
to do different things every year.
(hat jingles)
- Oh, no, no, absolutely not.
(Siegfried chuckles softly.)
- [Stuart] When I was a child,
we used to have the Christmas
parties,
and they were all on different
days around Christmas,
and there were all different ki
ds that were going to it.
- All right, King Herod's best
behaved, he goes first.
- I'm not Herod, I'm a wise man.
(children laughing)
- We do normally transform the
interior
of Skeldale House into full Ch
ristmas.
They'll have the Santa Claus,
a bit of the North Pole,
and Christmas trees and things
like that.
- Come say hello.
- [Samuel] I think at its heart,
this story is a celebration of c
ommunity.
- [Melissa] It's about celebration
and community
and the veterinary house being real
ly
at the heart of that community.
So the Christmas party,
you can imagine everyone comin
g around
with a pint of ale.
- Sloe gin, I'd go steady on it.
I hear you don't hold your dri
nk so well.
- From who?
- Anytime you see a call sheet
and there's just heaps of actor
s down,
it's always really exciting to ge
t onto set,
'cause, you know, if the green
room's full,
it's buzzing, you're catching up
with people,
"What have you been up to? what hav
e you been up to?"
You bring that atmosphere from
the green room onto set.
- I heard there was a party going.
I thought I'd come for it.
- Well, it's more of a gatherin
g, really.
- Well, so long as there's ale,
you can call it what you like.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Narrator] But when World War II
breaks out
in Season Three, Mrs. Hall origina
lly decides
to not have the party.
- Slim pickings for Christmas
this year.
- We'll manage somehow.
- It wasn't, you know, the big
party that we're used to,
but we still rallied around
when Mrs. Hall wanted to have
the party.
- [James] I didn't think we we
re having a party this year.
- [Mrs. Hall] Well, we're not.
It's just a few people coming
around
for food and drinks, carols aroun
d the piano.
- That sounds like a party.
- [Melissa] Mrs. Hall saying we
weren't doing a Christmas
party, and then very quickly reve
rsing that idea
so that she could invite Gerald.
- Jenny, would you mind taking
this to Gerald for me?
And...
don't let him leave.
- What'll you have me do, hobble hi
m?
- If that's what it takes.
- [Samuel] Darrowby is a small, div
erse place,
and I've always thought
that the way the Christmas episod
e reflects
that is a real distillation of
what Christmas is or can be.
- I've been practicing the whole da
y to get it right.
- Oh. (laughs)
(slow piano music, !The Firs
t Noel! )
- [Nicholas] It's lovely to see
this
surrogate family come together,
and the wider community and celebr
ate Christmas.
- Merry Christmas. (group chatterin
g)
- Merry Christmas, Maisie, enjoy
your orange.
- Merry Christmas. - Thank you.
- [Mrs. Hall] Nighty night, merry C
hristmas.
- See you later.
- [Narrator] But even though t
here are fun parties
to attend, the season doesn't
stop the vets
of Skeldale House from helping
animals on Christmas.
- Sorry about that, sick animal
, occupational hazard.
- [Melissa] Animals don't know i
t's Christmas.
Animals don't know that it's the
holidays,
and so there are always those
Christmas emergencies.
Jim Wight, who is Alf Wight's son,
who's a retired vet himself us
ed to work with his dad.
He has talked about what Christ
mas was like growing up
with his vet as a dad and then
when he himself was a vet.
- I got called out from my Chris
tmas dinner
to see a scratching dog.
He wanted me to see it straigh
taway,
this person in the town.
The customer's always right,
that's what my father used to say
.
- Okay, Bert, I'll be up right away
.
- The party's only just getting
going.
- I'm sorry, but I really can't sta
y.
- [Narrator] But James isn't the on
ly one called
to work on Christmas.
In Season One, Tristan helps a
young boy with his donkey.
- What's his name?
- Bob.
- And has Bob been eating somethin
g he shouldn't?
(slow orchestral music)
- Mistletoe.
(slow orchestral music continues)
- Mistletoe.
Well, let's see if we can help him
then, shall we?
- [Narrator] Tristan is able to
help,
and brings peace to Bob's owners o
n Christmas Eve.
- What have you got to look so
happy about?
- Tristan made Bob better.
- Did he?
- I think we all loved and prob
ably wept
over dear Tricki being very poorly
at the end of the Christmas spec
ial in Season Two.
- I'm seeing signs of dehydration.
I'm afraid we'll have to take him i
n for treatment.
- Oh, dear.
I won't be with my little man for
Christmas.
- [Siegfried] Rest assured we'll
do everything in our power
to have him right and back with yo
u tomorrow.
- Thank you, Mr. Farnon.
(Tricki panting)
You are so kind.
- [Melissa] I think the story re
ally crystallized
what dogs mean to their owners,
and our characters knew and unders
tood that,
and understood quite what was
at stake for Mrs. Pumphrey.
- He may be small, but he fills
every room
of that house with such love and l
ife. (laughs)
- The stakes are high,
and we all know this is Mrs. Pumph
rey's child.
- You must remember I don't ha
ve children
or grandchildren to lavish gifts on
or sneak chocolates to at Chri
stmastime.
- [Melissa] Mrs. Pumphrey whis
pering her last goodbyes
in Tricki's ear probably had the na
tion in tears.
- May I?
- Yeah, of course.
(slow orchestral music)
(slow orchestral music continues)
- Would you mind if I hold his paw?
- I'm sure he would like that.
- Because he's such a big characte
r in the world
and for all these people, it mea
ns a lot.
- The fate of a character like
Tricki
as beautifully embodied by somebo
dy as sensitive as Derek.
It matters, and we're pulling
for him.
- [Narrator] Thanks to their e
xpertise,
Siegfried, James, and Tristan
wake up
to a Christmas miracle when Tr
icki Woo feels much better.
- [Tristan] Honey, come and eat.
Yes.
(whimsical orchestral music)
Good.
(group chattering)
- [James] Merry Christmas, litt
le man.
- Oh, yea, Lord, we greet thee.
(group laughs)
- Good morning.
- Get stuck in.
(group laughs)
(Tricki chewing loudly)
- Well done, well done.
Mrs. Pumphrey will have her Tr
icki home for Christmas.
- [Narrator] As much as we love the
parties,
decorations, and the food,
we mostly love all the holiday
traditions.
- I don't want Christmas ruined w
ith an unholy argument.
- I thought that was the point
of it,
that and the silly hats.
- The Christmas crackers are a big
British thing,
which you would traditionally
pull with someone else,
and inside is always a paper hat
.
- [Siegfried] A hat, who needs
a hat?
Here.
(cracker snaps)
- Christmas sort of got brough
t to the UK with, like,
through the Germanic element, s
o our hats
and things like that come throug
h that lineage.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Narrator] In Season Two,
James brings one of his Scottish
traditions
to Skeldale House, the Cailleach,
a wooden carving of Old Woman
Winter.
- The wood carving and wood whittli
ng
that James does is a Scottish t
radition.
- [Helen] What's this?
- [James] It's a Cailleach, Ol
d Woman Winter.
My dad carves one every year.
- What would you do with it?
- We'd burn it Christmas Day.
You've got to keep the fire going a
ll night long
for good luck and to ward off e
vil spirits.
- [Nicholas] It was something
I came across.
It wasn't something that my fami
ly would do
or something, but I'd then spo
ken to people
and they'd go, "Oh, yeah, we'd
do that.
That's one of the traditions in
our family."
And I've seen people, people h
ave sent me pictures
of their whittlings, (laughs)
(wisftul orchestral music)
It's something that James's dad
does in our world,
so it's, again, that legacy of
James then,
"Right, well, I'll do this for my s
urrogate family."
- Every year we burn a Christm
as log
to bring prosperity and good lu
ck for the year to come.
- We could all do with a bit o
f that.
- Thank you.
- He whittles it himself and places
it on the fire
and recites the Robert Burns poem
that he's learned for this moment.
- [James] "For auld lang syne,
my dear,
for auld lang syne.
We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet,
for auld lang syne."
(slow music)
- [Narrator] In Season Three,
a war evacuee named Eva comes to S
keldale House
and learns about Christmas.
- It's interesting, kind of th
inking back
through your family, as well,
of the traditions that you stil
l know today,
because in some ways, the '30s isn
't that long ago.
- [Eva] When do we put the socks
out?
- [Jenny] The stockings go up
tonight right by the fire
so Father Christmas can find the
m
when he goes down the chimney.
- [Mrs. Hall] We have midnight m
ass before then,
and we all go to the church and s
ing together.
- [Tristan] And when we get back,
we'll put a mince pie and sher
ry out,
and a carrot for the reindeer.
- One of the brilliant things
about Skeldale House is
that it meets the needs of the
characters who live there.
- Have you never been caroling
before, Eva?
- I'm Jewish, we have Hanukkah
instead.
It goes for eight whole days, you
light a candle
on the menorah and say a blessing,
and you get presents and chocolate
coins every day.
- [Mrs. Hall] That sounds like a
lovely thing.
Why don't we do that here, what d
id you call it?
- Hanukkah.
- We've got the evacuees in Da
rrowby,
so we've got little Eva.
A lot of fun, as well, was learning
about different religious trad
itions.
- [Eva] (in Hebrew) Asher kid'sh
anu b'mitzvotav
v'tsivanu l'hadlik ner shel Ha
nnukah.
Now you say "Amen."
- [Group] Amen.
- [Nicholas] So we found out abou
t
Judaism and what they do,
and she has her first Christmas.
- He's been!
- [Siegfried] Now, Eva, it's tr
aditional
in this house to wait until-
- [Tristan] Let's forget about
tradition this year, shall we?
- [Helen] Oh, what have you got
, then?
- [Narrator] Siegfried and Tris
tan sit down
for a serious conversation
during the Season Three Christ
mas party,
and this leads to Tristan's Ch
ristmas goodbye.
- [Siegfried] This came for yo
u this morning.
You're still in a reserved occ
upation.
You don't have to go.
- Yes, I do.
- [Callum] As the series progress
es,
Tristan's thoughts and opinions
also progress
to a much more mature place.
- I have to go.
I need to go.
- He thinks he needs to go and ser
ve his country
and do his country proud.
(slow orchestral music)
- [Melissa] In the end of Series
Three,
we have Tristan saying his goo
dbyes.
I think there wasn't a dry eye
on set.
- [Mrs. Hall] Make sure you do writ
e
to let us know how you're getting o
n.
- I will.
Take care of my brother for me,
won't you?
- Well, as much as he'll allow.
(slow orchestral music continues)
- [Nicholas] James is incredibly p
roud of him
for becoming his own man, spreadi
ng his wings.
(slow orchestral music continues)
(car doors slamming)
- Siegfried is always on the lookou
t for Tristan.
He's always keeping him safe,
and he thinks that's what Trist
an needs,
and Tristan doesn't need that.
He wants to be free to make his
own mistakes,
like any young man.
- Don't do anything stupid.
Do you hear?
Promise me.
(slow piano music)
- And break the habit of a lif
etime?
- [Callum] What comes out is final
ly their true true
feelings to each other,
which are of course nothing bu
t love.
- I suppose this is it.
Are we huggers now?
- [Siegfried] Yes, we bloody we
ll are.
I'm so damn proud of you.
(slow orchestral music crescend
oes)
(train whistles)
- [Tristan] I've got to go.
- Go, go on, go.
You got your ticket?
- I don't need one.
- What do you mean, you don't
need one?
Tristan?
Tristan!
(whistle tweets)
(Siegfried laughs)
(train chugs)
(slow orchestral music continues)
- [Narrator] In the end, what
we love most
about these specials is all the fe
elings we get
from the Skeldale family at Ch
ristmas.
- [Eva narrates] "Dear Mom and Dad,
Darrowby is very different from
home.
The family I'm staying with are
nice.
I'll write again soon.
Lots of love, Eva."
- This series is so much about fami
ly and community
and warmth and coming together
, and the house itself
and the Skeldale family are so
rt of a microcosm of that.
And so the Christmas episode,
it's kind of a big celebration,
really,
of people and character and fami
ly.
- [Mrs. Hall] A little something fr
om all of us.
- Thank you.
(slow orchestral music)
(slow orchestral music continues)
- [Mrs. Hall] They're not exac
tly like
Dorothy's magic shoes,
but I've done me best.
- [Anna] When Eva gets her ruby
slippers on
and tries to click them, that did g
et everybody.
Everybody had a bit of a tear i
n their eye.
- [Eva] There's no place like home.
(shoes clicking)
(group laughs)
- They don't work.
Why are you all looking at me?
- [Rachel] Our story highlights
those really important things,
and Christmas is a time where we
feel more of that.
- It's all right to be upset.
You're allowed to miss home.
You're allowed to cry.
- [Eva] You're all so nice.
- But we're not them.
- [Eva] You're allowed to cry,
too,
even though you're grown up.
(slow orchestral music)
- Thank you for reminding me.
- The real skill of Ben Vansto
ne's writing
and our other writers is
that he brings you back around
from those places that feel dif
ficult and sad
to something joyful.
(group laughs)
- Yes, good girl, we'll never know
who won now.
- [Melissa] No Christmas specia
l would be complete
without a proper Christmas dinner
and the gathering of that family a
round the table.
- I'd like to say a few words.
Don't roll your eyes, Tristan.
- I didn't.
- You bloody did, I just saw you.
- And there's always a comedy Chris
tmas toast,
as well, often from Siegfried,
or Tristan in Season Three's Chri
stmas Special,
which was especially moving.
- [Tristan] Christmas is a time
for family,
those that are here and especi
ally those who are not.
I want to remember them and giv
e thanks
to those who filled the hole they
left behind,
especially my brother, who made
a promise
to our dying father that he would t
ake care of me.
Lesser men would have thrown in
the towel, but he didn't,
and I want to thank him for it.
I love you, Siegfried.
So I guess the only thing left
to say is merry bloody Christmas.
- [Group] Merry bloody Christmas.
- [Narrator] And of course we
toast you
for spending this time with us
to celebrate
"All Creatures Great and Small" on
MASTERPIECE.
Thank you for joining us for t
his look back
at the engaging and magical Ch
ristmas Specials.
The heartwarming cast, lovable
animals,
and charming stories from the
breathtaking Yorkshire Dales
will be back in your homes ver
y soon.
Until next time, this has been
"All Creatures Great and Small: C
hristmas in the Dales."
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