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Tonight it's my pleasure to introduce to you Luke Zoet.
He's an assistant professor
in the Department of Geosciences here.
He's a Glaciologist.
He was born in Grand Rapids, Michigan
and went to high school in Caledonia, Michigan.
Then he went to Michigan State for his undergrad in Geophysics,
moved over to Penn State to get his Master's and PhD,
both in Geophysics.
Then he went to Iowa State for a postdoc
for about three years.
And then he came here to the UW-Madison in 2015.
In addition to his appointments in Geoscience,
he also has appointments with the American Indian Studies Program
and the Geologic Engineering Program.
Tonight he gets to talk to us about something
very appropriate for the snow we just had
and the ice we will soon have.
He's going to talk with us about the mysteries
of glacier slip and land form development.
Glaciers are pretty important to those of us
here in Wisconsin.
They came, they left, and they left behind
a good chunk of what our landform is like now,
and so I'm interested in hearing what he has to say.
He's also gone to Antarctica and Switzerland,
which are more exotic places than Wisconsin,
so I hope we get to see more about
stuff like that.
Please join me in welcoming Luke Zoet
to Wednesday Nite @ the Lab.
(audience applauds)
- Well, thanks for having me here.
I'm really excited to talk about some of the work
we've been doing.
I thought I'd start out just talking a little bit about
this picture I have on my opening slide here.
So, this is a picture of the glacier
called Aletsch Glacier in Switzerland.
And what you're looking at is basically
a big chunk of ice.
It has a high part sort of
in the upper right here and the ice
sort of slopes down to the left,
where it where it moves downhill.
If you were to go out and look at this glacier,
you would probably not really see anything.
It's basically sitting there.
But if you watched it for a long enough time,
sort of years or decades,
you'd see that it actually is moving
at a really slow rate.
The reason it's moving
is because of that slope at the surface.
So, a river, a glacier in a lot of ways
is like a river.
There's a slope at it, along it,
and gravity is sort of pulling the glacier downhill.
Down the slope.
The mechanics that sort of govern how a glacier moves
are quite a bit, in some ways quite a bit similar
to how a river works, but in other ways they're
quite a bit more complicated.
If we were to look at a glacier like this from space,
for a long enough period of time,
you could begin to see sort of similarities
between the motion of a glacier and a river.
So you have sort of--
This is a glacier in the Karakoram region in India.
And we're sort of looking at it for about 30 years
and you can see ice is sort of being
advected from this region that's
in a higher elevation to regions that are lower elevation.
The ice is grinding up the material that it's sitting on.
It's sort of incorporating it into the ice
and it's advecting it down ice.
Eventually, when it gets to the end,
what we call the terminus,
the material that it sort of collected is being deposited
and just dumped out in these big piles called moraines.
When you look at this picture, though,
you get a sense that it's moving,
that at least the top of it is moving,
but how is it moving And, why is it moving?
What are the processes that are allowing it to move
and what is it doing to the rocks that it's sitting on
when it's moving, because this glacier,
it might be a couple hundred meters thick,
but at the bottom of it, it's sitting on
just rocks like you might see on the sides.
When people first started to look into this,
the field was in the early fifties,
so glaciology, with the respect
to most sciences, is really young science.
It's only been sort of developed since the fifties.
And it was started by sort of physicists and mathematicians
that also just liked to go climb on glaciers,
so they said, "Wow, we could study these."
You know, it's a relatively open field.
And the real sort of pioneer that started working on it
was a physicist by the name of John Nye.
And he did some seminal work in the early fifties
to try to explain why the ice would flow
down a hill like we see there.
And this is a figure from his original paper.
And what you're seeing here is a schematic
if we cut the glacier in half and we looked at the side of it.
So what this layer at the top would be the surface,
if you were to stand on it, you'd be up here.
Then this below is all ice,
and then this lower line would be the bed.
So this is ice and below it is rock.
And so they're at some slope,
and so the glacier started moving down the slope with time.
If you came here, at some point,
and you drilled a vertical hole from the surface
all the way down to the base,
and then you waited some period of time,
say you waited 10 years, you'd come back
and what you'd find is that hole
had moved down the hill a little bit,
and it had been bent a little bit.
Well, what John Nye did, was used some experiments
that people had done very early on to look at how ice forms.
And based on how the ice deforms
he was able to calculate how much of the total motion
of the glacier moving down the hill should be from deformation of the ice.
Just like how a river, in a river, the water moves because it's deforming,
and the water at the bottom's basically not moving at all,
and as you move farther and farther up the river,
the water deforms more and more.
And when they did that, they back projected it,
and they said, "Well, only this component of
forward motion, this small part,
is actually from deformation of the ice itself.
In reality, the majority of the motion
was from the ice sliding over the bed.
So there's this extra component
that people didn't really realize existed
until John Nye started to sort of apply
a mathematical, a theory to this.
And that's this use of B component.
So the forward motion that we see
from the surface in that first image,
from the air, from the satellite photos,
is composed of two things.
It's composed of this basal sliding,
and then also deformation of the ice.
This is sort of akin to if you took an ice cube
and you put it on a board, and you lifted the board up
and it was on a slant.
The ice cube would deform a little bit.
You probably wouldn't even see it, but it would deform a little bit,
but the ice cube would slide down the board over time.
That's basically what these glaciers are doing
in response to the ground being slanted and the surface being slanted,
they're sliding down the mountain over time
at a really slow rate of speed.
And the thing that's holding them back
from just shooting off the board
is also the bed, so there's this balance
between the bed holding the glacier back
and gravity trying to pull it down in and,
as a result of those,
there's some motion of the glacier moving forward.
So, why is this important?
Well, one reason it's important
is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
has listed our lack of knowledge
of basal processes as one of the key uncertainties
in our ability to understand and project
how ice flow will occur.
So if we look at the large glaciers in Antarctica and things like that,
they're sort of moving ice from the interior
of the ice sheet, out towards the coast,
where it then gets dropped into the water.
And when we hear climate change is occurring,
and things are warming up, and glaciers are melting,
well, the primary way the glaciers are losing mass,
is not actually through the ice melting
up on the surface of the glacier,
it's because more ice is being dumped into the ocean
and it's melting in the ocean as it's floating around.
And so if we want to know how much ice gets dumped into the ocean,
we really have to know how fast the ice is moving
towards the ocean.
This is a map of ice velocity in Antarctica.
So, the color scale on the continent here
corresponds to the velocity where
the purples and the reds mean
it's going quite a bit faster, and these sort of darker colors
means it's not moving very fast at all.
And what you see is there's some areas, like here and here,
where the ice is moving exceptionally fast,
sort of up to tens of kilometers a year, 10 kilometers a year.
And it's in those areas where the ice is moving really fast
that it's be able to discharge a lot of the ice to the ocean.
These circles represent the mass balance of the region,
so is that sector of Antarctica losing mass or is it gaining mass?
If it's losing mass, that means all that mass
that's lost is going into the ocean
and contributing to sea level rise.
And so this sector over here has this big red circle,
meaning it's losing mass.
The reason it's losing mass is 'cause the ice
is quickly flowing into the ocean
and being deposited and breaking off in the ocean
as icebergs and then it melts, around in the ocean.
So to understand how much future sea level rise we might get,
we have to have really good predictions
of how fast glaciers will slide.
Because that's the main thing that contributes to them
adding ice to the ocean and leading to sea level rise.
If you had a sector like this of West Antarctica and Greenland,
which are areas that are really susceptible
to high rates of glacial,
glaciers transporting ice into the ocean,
you could have potentially a collapse of these areas
which would lead to quite a bit of sea level rise.
In West Antarctica and Greenland combined,
there's something like 12 meters of potential sea level rise.
So this is just a really simple treatment.
All I've done is take a map of
the Southeast of the United States
and colored everywhere that was below 12 meters in red.
So these are areas that are particularly vulnerable
if sort of areas of West Antarctica or Greenland
started contributing more and more
ice into the ocean.
If you were to take into account all of East Antarctica
and the Greenland ice sheet,
you're looking at a much greater number.
68 meters of sea level rise.
Now this, this is highly unlikely to happen
because East Antarctica is really stable,
but the point is to be able to make projections
about when things like this might happen,
or how likely they are to happen.
We have to have the physics of how the ice is moving
down the hill, down the slope, very accurate.
Otherwise, we're not going to be able to make
very accurate predictions about how likely
stuff like that is to happen.
So, if we go back to this simple diagram,
the basic problem is this component,
how much the ice slides down the hill
is really hard to figure out.
You know, you could tell me,
if you could tell me you had an ice,
a glacier that was a certain thickness
and had a certain slope,
and you asked me, "Okay, will you tell me
"how much it's going to move in a given year."
That's a hard question to answer because
we don't know the physics
of these basal processes very well.
One reason is because in a lot of cases,
they're under kilometers of ice,
and it's really hard to study them directly.
And another is just because it's a very complicated area.
You have ice with water sitting on rocks,
and all the things are interacting together
in a very sort of complicated manner.
So, the whole talk is basically going to focus
on this small area right here.
Right where the ice sits on the bed that's beneath it,
and what happens when the ice moves
or slides over the bed beneath it.
We're only going to be concerned with a couple feet above that,
and a couple feet below it, 'cause frankly,
that's where all of the action is,
and that's where our big lack in knowledge at
being able to predict how glaciers work stems from.
So, the main question of this talk is
how does ice slip over glacier bed and how does,
and how does that affect the bed?
So, there's a sort of reciprocal relationship
as the glacier's sliding over the bed,
it can also do things to the bed.
It can break it up, it can pick up dirt from one area
and deposit it in another area.
It can sort of conveyor-belt material
out of the area entirely.
So, there's this sort of
feedback between the two.
This is a glacier in Norway called Engabreen.
Just for your reference, this is actually
the glacier up here and this is a region
in front of the glacier called the forefield.
And the forefield is the area in front of the glacier
but behind, sort of the maximal extent of the glacier,
so that area, the forefield used to be under the glacier,
and the bed under the glacier right now
probably looks a lot like the forefield.
Probably the pretty much the exact same.
If you look at it, it doesn't look perfectly smooth.
It doesn't look like a board.
It has all these bumps on it.
So the one question is, why does it look like that?
You know what are the processes
that occurred at the bottom of the glacier
that caused whatever there was before underneath it
to be shaped into something like this?
Well a glacier has sort of two primary ways
that it shapes the bed that it's over-riding.
The first is a pretty simple concept but it's very powerful,
it's something called abrasion.
And all it is, is if you think of the bed of a glacier
and the ice above it,
the ice above it can have rocks embedded in it.
It's not always perfectly clean ice.
A lot of the times there's big clasts
and things like that in the ice.
Sometimes they're up in the ice column,
but sometimes those clasts are in direct contact
with the bedrock below.
And when they're in direct contact with the bed below,
they can be pressed onto the bed.
Once they're pressed on the bed,
as the ice slides or moves forward,
it sort of drags the rocks along the bed
and it creates these sort of scratches,
or they're called striations, is the term we'll use,
in the bedrock as a result of the bed being scratched
by the material that's in the bed.
This is basically akin to sandpaper, so if you had,
think if you had a block of sandpaper and a piece of wood.
If I put the sandpaper on the piece of wood,
and I rub it, it's going to sort of scratch up the wood.
It's going to smooth it out over time.
If I move it really fast,
I'm going to be able to sort of sand the wood at a greater rate.
If I push really hard,
I'm going to be able to sand the wood at a greater rate.
Or if I have sort of more little grains of sand
in the sandpaper I'm going to be able to sand the wood really fast.
And so abrasion works the same way, it's basically clasts in the bed,
in the basal ice being scratched against the bed.
People have noticed these for a long time.
Some of the seminal work was done by T.C. Chamberlin.
He was a glacial geology in the Geo-Science department here.
He then went on to become the president of the university,
even though I'm sort of filling his shoes,
I can assure you I'm not going to become the president of the university,
but we do have a long tradition of geologists at Wisconsin
becoming president of the university.
But one thing he realized is that these glaciers,
these scratches in the terrain, these striations,
give some indication of where the ice is flowing from.
So he went around the upper Midwest
and he figured out where all the striations were,
and he was able to reconstruct
the origin of the glaciers and how big the ice sheet was.
And that's where he got the idea of this
continental-scale glacier called the Laurentide Ice Sheet.
But abrasion will take a bumpy terrain
and just and smooth it out, just like if you had a bumpy
piece of wood and sandpaper would smooth it out.
If you zoom into one of these abrasions, they look something like this,
so at the end of my finger here is a really fresh abrasion.
This is something that probably was covered by the glacier just the year before.
And so this was one big rock
pushed into this limestone and drug across it.
The limestone has the benefit of it's black,
but when you scratch it up, it turns white,
so it looks really dramatic,
and you can sort of see
this rock as it was pulled across
and there's a lot of other different striations in there.
Here's another set of striations.
You can see the ice side of the boulder to the left here
has been sort of smoothed out as the ice
has flown around it and the glaciers have scraped,
scratched it away.
Here are sort of newly born,
or newly exposed striations.
This is the actual base of a glacier
and these are the rocks that are under it.
So these striations are probably caused by these rocks sitting right here.
This is, this is sort of as fresh of a striation
as you can get from a glacier up in the Canadian Rockies.
So one mechanism for eroding the bed of a glacier
and shaping it to look like that is this abrasion process.
The second mechanism that really is effective
is something called quarrying.
So quarrying depends on
there already being bumps in the bedrock.
So before the glacier gets there, or for some other mechanism,
the glacier already has bumps in it.
And you can imagine if you are ice
and you're sliding over the bed,
and you come off of a bump,
you might be able to sort of ramp off it.
And that's effectively what happens
with a glacier, is if there's a bump here,
the ice is pretty stiff,
and so if it's moving,
if it's flowing faster this way,
than the ice can flow into the gap behind the bump,
you get actually a cavity.
A pocket that forms where there's no ice.
A lot of the times, the pocket fills up with water,
most of the time it does.
But what happens is, you have these sort of cavities
that irregularly form behind,
or what we say, in the lee, or behind bumps in the bed.
This is an interesting phenomenon because
the presence of cavities at the bed of the glacier
basically means that the region underneath the cavity
cannot support any of the weight or hold the glacier back at all,
and that all of the weight and all of the resistance
to sliding has to be loaded on this small piece right here,
where the bed is actually in contact with the glacier.
And so you have an area with a lot of stress
with a lot of weight on it where the ice is in contact
immediately adjacent to an area where there's very little stress
because this cavity has formed and basically
stress can't be imparted on the bed
by the weight of the overlying glacier.
And that big contrast in stress
can cause a fracture to occur.
And the fracture will grow a little bit
and then it'll grow a little bit more, and then it'll grow a little bit more,
but eventually, it might intercept
sort of a bedding plane, or a weak plane,
that already exists in the rocks that are already there.
And this block will be plucked away
or quarried away.
You can imagine that this same process might be happening up here
so you'd have this sort of stair-step pattern
that just moves back over time.
This quarrying pattern can leave something like this.
So the ice is flowing from the top of the screen
down to the bottom.
These joints here, you can see already might exist,
or they might be generated by sort of cavities.
And these blocks are just being plucked away
as the ice is moving back over time.
So these are areas that might experience quarrying.
Quarrying, as opposed to abrasion,
tends to roughen the terrain.
So you have abrasion that smooths things out, if that occurs,
if quarrying occurs, the terrain gets really rough
and sort of jagged looking.
This is that previous rock I showed you that had abrasion
but it's also got a signature of quarrying behind it.
And these types of features, you can find all over
glaciated terrains where there's bedrock exposed
so in northern Wisconsin, there's good examples of lees
and sort of red granite.
In a ton of red granite, there's a lot of exposures
of these types of features found throughout the state.
Okay, so erosion, these two erosion processes
acting sort of simultaneously,
when the glacier was over this region,
is what made this bed so bumpy.
It's what made it have this shape.
And these processes are still going on back behind this region
and they're causing the region behind here
to also become more and more bumpy.
The bumps are good.
Because if you think back to this analogy
of an ice cube sitting on a board that you lift up.
What happens in that case? You lift the board up high enough
and the ice cube basically just shoots off the board.
There's nothing sort of-- The board isn't bumpy enough.
It doesn't have any sort of obstacles
for the ice cube to get around so it just slides off.
And in fact, if a glacier had a perfectly flat bed,
like a board, and you lifted it up like that,
and it had some slope, we wouldn't really have glaciers
'cause the ice would just immediately accelerate
and shoot right off the side of the cliff.
Or side of the mountain.
It's these bumps, these small-scale bumps
at the bottom of the bed that hold the glacier back.
Because if the ice wants to advance,
it has to get around the bumps.
And so however fast
the ice at the bottom of the glacier
can get around these bumps,
is how fast the glacier will flow.
If it can get around the bumps really quick, then the glacier will go really fast.
If it can't get around it very quick, the glacier won't go very fast.
So we have to figure out how a glacier gets around the bumps at the bottom
if we want to know how these large-scale ice models should work, right?
The physics of them is tied to what the physics
of how ice gets around smaller features like this.
So, that sort of rule, that sort of
relationship between how fast the ice
gets around bumps versus how hard you push on the ice
to get around the bumps
is something called the sliding rule.
So it's how much resistive stress or drag,
how hard those bumps push back against the bed,
how much resistive stress or drag the bed of the glacier
can provide over a range of sliding speeds.
So if you go faster and faster, does the bed push harder,
or does it not push as hard?
So, the objective is to try to determine
a sliding rule for these hard bed glaciers.
So by hard bed, I mean the bed is made up of bedrock.
It doesn't yield, it's sort of always,
it's always there, the ice has to move around it.
So in the fifties, late fifties and sixties,
the first sort of attempt was made at this by
a material scientist named Jan Weertman from Northwestern.
And what he did was, he idealized the bed of a glacier
to something like these cubes. He called them tombstones.
So this is called Weertman's Tombstone Sliding Model.
And the ice is sliding from the bottom left
to the upper right and however fast
the ice can get around these bumps
is how fast the glacier will slide.
And what he said was, well the upstream side of these bumps
have to have a high, have to be under a lot of pressure,
because they're actually the thing pushing the glacier back.
They're the thing holding it up.
And the backside of these bumps have to have low pressure.
And so the ice can actually flow around the bumps.
You've probably all seen this in a different context.
If you went out to a river and you threw a big rock in it,
the water would move around the rock,
'cause there's a lot of pressure on the upstream side of the rock in the river,
but there's not a lot on the back, so the water deforms around the rock,
and then rejoins on the back.
And so that's the same model that Weertman
sort of proposed for these tombstones,
was that the high-pressure side would cause the ice to creep,
flow around the back,
and then where it would essentially close back up.
And the rate at which that happened
is how fast the glacier slides.
His sliding rule produced
a form of a function that looks sort of like this.
And you're going to see this type of axis a lot,
where this is sliding velocity versus shear stress.
So you could think of this as how fast the ice is able to get around the bump,
versus how hard the bump is able to push back against the bed.
So what this is saying is the faster and faster
the ice tries to get around the bump,
the harder and harder, the glacier is able to
sort of resist that moving.
And this is kind of like driving down the window--
driving down the street and sticking your hand
out the window and there was air pressing on your hand.
And then you double your speed, and the air is pressing on your hand twice as hard.
And then you triple your speed and the air is pressing on your hand three times as hard.
That's effectively what this relationship is saying is,
No matter how fast the ice goes,
the bed can always push back harder and harder and harder
to sort of resist it from a sliding, from accelerating,
and shooting off the mountain.
Another type of sliding law takes into account
these cavities that I talked about before.
So the ice flows and cavities form
in sort of the lee in the area behind the cavity.
The cavities are often filled with water.
If we look at a bed that we can sort of idealize
as a two-dimensional bed, as a stepped staircase,
just like the other picture I drew that for quarrying,
this rule predicts that you should have a resistance
to sliding that's essentially flat.
So essentially as the glacier starts to speed up,
it pretty quickly jumps up to some maximum
stress that it can hold the glacier back,
and then it can't do anymore.
It reaches this maximum level
and then it's sort of flat.
This is a different set of ideas about a sliding law,
if we take into account this idea of a cavity.
Another sort of variation of this,
of this cavity-type sliding law
is if we had a bed that looks a sinusoidal wave.
You know, you saw that forefield that I showed
and there's different shapes in it,
and you might be able to idealize it to
a sinusoidal wave, or sort of a step geometry,
or maybe the tombstone-type geometry,
but if you had a sinusoidal step geometry,
again, the cavity grows as the ice starts to speed up,
and you get some sort of resistance to sliding.
This response is quite a bit different.
It says that the glacier can push back as you're speeding up.
This gets going up, it can push back harder and harder. Harder and harder.
But then it reaches a point where it can't push back
any harder and it actually starts to
get smaller and smaller resistance.
This would be akin to if you were driving down the road
and you put your hand out the window and the wind is pushing on it
and you're feeling some resistance and you're going 10.
You go 20, it's pushing back harder.
Then you go 30 and it actually gets easier, right?
There's some mechanism, something else that's going on,
that the wind isn't even pushing on your hand.
And then you go 50, and it's basically
not pushing on your hand at all.
So, this would say that these cavities
at the bottom of the glacier
are really sort of affecting the glacier's ability
to hold back the entire weight of the glacier
from the glacier shooting off the mountain.
Okay, so we have these different ideas.
These are all derived by sort of physicists,
and mathematicians in the fifties.
They're very hard to test in the field
because you can't separate the variables in the field.
Plus it's very hard to access the bottom of the glacier.
So we went essentially 50 years with all these different ideas
and nobody, and nobody ever being able to test them.
You can imagine that's problematic
because the first one, the Weertman Sliding Law
is sort of the main parameter that's
put into all ice flow models, so everything you see
that's predict sea level rise,
directly depends on that sliding law,
and that sliding law being correct, right.
That's everything we've seen for sea level rise
that is one of the main equations
that it's predicated on.
So, how do you answer this?
How do you answer this part that's hard to figure out?
Well, we go to the lab.
We've only been able to do this in the last five years
because it's only really in the last five years
that we've been able to make machines
complicated enough to actually simulate
the bottom of a glacier.
This is a large-scale ring shear device.
It's housed at Iowa State University.
And it basically can mimic the bottom of a glacier.
So what you do is you load up this big ring
apparatus right here with ice.
Well, first you put a bed in the bottom of it,
so we put a bed that looks like a stair step,
or a bed that looks like a sinusoidal wave,
or something we want to put in to test those various theories.
Then you load it up with ice, and then you close the lid down.
And the top grabs the upper surface of the ice
and it rotates it while the bottom is stationary fixed
and so it basically forces the ice
to slide over a bed just like we have in those
models that we sort of were testing.
This whole thing is
sunk in a giant tub of antifreeze and then,
and then that whole thing is in a giant
walk-in freezer like you might see
behind McDonald's or something like that,
to sort of really get the temperature regulated.
And then this thing spins at the actual rate a glacier moves.
Slower, way slower than the hour hand on a clock,
and it spins for like three or four months.
You just push go, you sit there and you go
and you look at it every day and you make sure
something's not broken.
And you do whatever else for three months
while this thing is slowly moving
and simulating a glacial, glacier sliding,
in a cornfield in Iowa essentially.
So, we're building one of these at Wisconsin. It's almost done.
There's only one of these in the world. It's at Iowa State.
The second one's being built at Wisconsin.
It's got some more bells and whistles,
but for most purposes, it's very similar to this one.
This is a cutaway.
So the bed, it can be placed sort of in the bottom here.
This is a picture of it with the top up and so,
it's a very large impressive device
that, you know, took many a decade
to sort of work out the bugs.
This sort of huge thing is a giant gearbox
and this little thing is the motor.
You have to really gear the thing down
to get it to spin the rate of a glacier sliding, right.
So, here's a cutaway.
This is a picture of it with a sinusoidal bed.
The ice is held right at that
what we call the pressure melting point. You can think of that as zero,
'cause the ice at the bottom of the glaciers
is 0 degrees Celsius.
It's right where it melts.
There's stepped and sinusoidal rigid beds
made of this material called Delrin.
And so we can begin to test these height ideas.
So for a sinusoidal bed, we have these two predictions.
We have this prediction Weertman made
that's in most ice sheet models.
And this other prediction of something called
double-valued sliding law that goes up
and then the resistance gets slower and slower.
And the results we find are pretty interesting.
They basically perfectly match
this black line and the black line is the theory
from behind the double valued sliding law.
They don't fit the Weertman sliding law really at all.
So it's a bit interesting, right?
That this sort of primary constitutive equation
that we use in ice sheet models doesn't really bear out,
the basic physics behind it don't bear out
when it's actually tested.
So what about for a stepped bed?
We have this idea of a functioning going up,
a Weertman's sliding law, or something that's completely flat.
Well, we actually see a reduction in sliding speed.
So something that's sort of
contrary to what both theories predicted.
So the primary findings from sort of testing
these things in the lab are that
Weertman's sliding doesn't fit any type of the bumpy beds
that we tested and that this rate-weakening,
meaning that as you go faster,
you actually get less resistance,
seems to dominate for both bumpy beds.
But, if I took you back to the field,
and I said, "Okay, there's the forefield.
"That's what the glacier is probably sliding over."
And I said, "Which one of those three things does it look like?"
You'd probably say, "Well, it doesn't really look
"like any of them, right?"
We've had to sort of make these
simplified beds to make the complicated math work.
And we tested the physics behind the math
and now we have a really good understanding of the physics,
but how do we apply it to a bed that looks like this?
It's not sort of typical, you know.
It's a combination of all these things and then,
and then a bunch of other things.
So if we want to actually figure out how glaciers really
slide over beds like this,
what we need to do is be able to simulate
sliding over a bed that has a sort of really complicated geometry,
like something like the geology would produce,
with all these bumps and smoothed areas
and stepped areas and things like that.
And so, what we do, is we want to take
a piece of that bed and simulate sliding over it.
But now that we know the physics really well,
from the first set of experiments,
we're actually going to simulate sliding over it
with a computer model, right?
That has all the physics in it that work properly.
But we have to put into the model
a bed that has all the characteristics
of that thing that we saw in the field.
And so we use a new technique
to try to generate sort of a replica
of the beds that we see in the field.
Something called Structure for Motion.
And it's based on a pretty simple concept.
If you, say I, say if you have two functioning eyes,
and you look out at something, your eyes are offset
so you can get some sort of depth perception, right?
One of my grad students showed me this trick
which was very interesting.
It was like if you hold one finger out
and you try to bring one finger in and touch it,
you can do it, but if you close one of your eyes,
it's a lot harder to line it up
because you lose the depth perception.
It's the ability for both your eyes
to be offset to allow you to figure out
distances to things.
And so we can take, if you take a lot of photos
of something, for example, this room,
from all different angles,
you could reconstruct what the whole room looks like
in three dimensions just by looking at
the different sort of angles to everything
in the photos from a lot of different places.
And then if you knew, like exactly that this chair
was at this place in space,
then you could put the whole model that you've made
of the 3-D bed back into space.
And so, to do this, the best way to do this,
is to actually take a drone and just fly it
over the region and take hundreds of pictures.
Like a little quad copter from the air,
and then use all those to reconstruct
what the area looks like in three dimensions.
So this is a cartoon of this drone; it's just flying over
in this case, it's a bluff on Lake Michigan,
but we can preprogram in a flight.
We can say, all right, drone, this is the area
we're interested in, you fly over it
and you take a picture every 10 feet.
And then when we do that, we can use all those photos
that are looking at different aspects
of the forefield, or whatever you want,
from different angles and we can reconstruct
what they look like at three dimensions.
And so this is a picture of one of my grad students, Jacob Woodard.
He's on one of these forefields where we did this project.
We went to Switzerland and we went to Canada
and we picked nine different forefields
because they have different geology.
And we think the geology controls what the bumps look like.
And we built really high-resolution models
of how the forefields look.
All right, so here's him, standing here.
He's got this control thing.
And here's the little drone.
So the drone takes off and it flies around
and then we scatter these little like targets around.
They're basically bases from a kickball game.
And while he sits there and flies the drone,
I run around like a madman and try to survey
them all in with another grad student.
So he's got the easier job but he's sort of
got more liability than the rest of us, too.
So this is a picture looking down from the drone.
So this is the edge of the glacier.
And here's sort of the part of the forefield.
And we have thousands of these images.
We take thousands of these things every day
where the drone flies for five or six hours,
and we're able to map an area that's basically
a half a kilometer by half a kilometer.
One of the benefits though, of not just flying the drone
and walking on the ground, is you get to see some interesting things.
You're in really remote places
at really high altitudes, not a lot of people are up there,
so sometimes you'll come across stuff like this.
So these, I don't know if you call them a herd of ibex,
or a group of them.
So you come across the edge and you'll see these types of creatures.
They're not always the happiest to see you
if you surprise them, they'll-- I learned this the hard way.
They'll start to hiss at you and sort of
tell you to get out of their terrain, which you should do,
because they're much more agile up there than we are.
This is actually a real photo.
We hiked up this incredibly steep terrain
carrying all this gear and we got up there,
this guy was playing an Alpenhorn at the top.
And you think it could go either way.
You could be climbing up the hill and you can be like, "Oh, this is horrible.
"I'm carrying all this stuff and this guy's up here
"playing this horn. I wish he'd be done," but in reality,
it's actually pretty delightful.
It really motivates you to get up to the hill when you see him
and then he'll keep playing it.
Of course, he's sort of used to this,
so he packs up his Alpenhorn and just flies up the hill
while you're standing there waiting for him,
or we're standing there watching him, but it's really nice.
So actually sometimes you find something like this.
And so, this is an unexploded ordinance.
So the Swiss government uses a lot of these
really remote areas as target practice
for their military and sometimes
the bombs they drop don't blow up,
and you'll come across them in addition
to other missiles and things like that.
So, there's some benefit to going around
and surveying in these pieces in addition to
I guess the exercise you get from it.
You also get to see really interesting landforms
that the glacier has made in these areas.
So this is a landform called a whaleback.
You can see these glaciers are,
or these rocks, are incredibly smooth like,
a glacial geologist will love to see things like this
because they're so like, sort of,
beautiful in a lot of ways.
And these whaleback features are dominated by
abrasion in multiple places, so in this photo,
ice is flowing from the left to the right,
and you're getting abrasion on the upstream side of the bump,
as well as on the downstream side of the bump.
And it's sort of polishing the glacier up, polishing the rocks up,
You can see right here this sort of really shiny area.
That's a thing called glacial polish.
Another landform that you see a lot
is called a roche moutonnée.
This is a landform where the ice is again flowing
from left to right and you get a lot of abrasion on the upstream side,
whereas you get a lot of quarrying on the downstream side.
So this tells you that there was cavities here,
there are sort of quarrying away the rocks
on the matching side of this, over time.
So we can use these "structure for motion"
to build these maps that look something like this.
So that scale up there is 160 meters.
And if you walk through here, what every 10 centimeters,
so every sort of three or four inches, we have a data point.
So every three or four inches, we know how high the ground is.
We're able to reconstruct this from all these different
photos we've taken.
And we can look through this to find an area
that's really representative of the whole region.
Maybe something like this, and pull it out.
And you can see it's sort of--
These are individual sort of rocks on the ground
that might be a few centimeters across,
so it's incredibly high-resolution imagery.
And remember the whole point of this is to take these types of maps
and put them into these numeric models
so we can simulate the glacier sliding over them
to see do we still get this rate weakening effect
even if we have a three-dimensional bed
where there's bumps sort of interacting with each other in more natural ways.
And so we've done that. We've taken these models in a postdoc at out of state
that simulated sliding over them with a really sort of
complicated numeric model,
but I'll try to explain just this figure.
Basically this lower region right here,
this sort of brown color, is the bed of the glacier.
This light blue is the-- Sorry, this is the bedrock.
Where this light blue is the bottom of the glacier.
So in some areas, the bottom of the glacier isn't touching the bedrock,
and that's where one of these cavities is present.
But in other areas, the bottom of the glacier
is in direct contact with the bedrock
and there's no cavity present.
And so this, this second sort of layer here,
details where cavities are present
and where cavities are not present and how big they are.
So this area that's sort of this brown color means zero,
means the ice is in direct contact,
whereas these other areas have big cavities.
So we begin to be able to simulate sliding
over three-dimensional models
of a bed that actually has shape
to see what this effect is.
Is the glacier sort of
still producing this rate weakening effect?
In somewhat to our surprise, it still is.
We still have this process of rate weakening occurring,
so initially this sliding resistance goes up,
but then as the cavity starts to develop,
you get again this severe rate weakening.
Now, we still have to put the really sort of
complicated models of what the bedrock
looks like in these things, but at least for simpler models,
even in three dimensions, it still seems to be
a prevalent finding or something we find.
So our new finding is that rate weakening slip
still occurs over three-dimensional beds.
All right, so if we go back to this original idea
that Nye had.
Nye and a lot of the original glaciologists
were climbing glaciers in the Alps,
where we were in Switzerland.
And glaciers in the Alps, they slide over
a bedrock bed, the rock is really rigid.
But we live in Wisconsin,
and Wisconsin was covered with big glaciers.
And we know that if we walk around out here, and you dig a hole,
you're not going to really find bedrock until you go down a ways.
There's something else on top of it.
There's a sort of loose dirt.
And this was this big conundrum,
because people had formulated all these ideas
for sliding in terms of hard beds,
but in reality, there's another piece.
There's oftentimes, a glacier will sit
on a layer of sediment that can be deformed
and then the bedrock is way deeper than that.
And so there's something else we have to take into consideration,
is like the glaciers that look like in Wisconsin,
where they're sliding over what we call the till,
the sort of deformed material that's at the bottom of them.
In fact, initially, this was sort of--
People were sort of confused by this
because we knew that places like Wisconsin,
which basically looked like the bottom of Antarctica,
have till everywhere, but they were like,
"Why is there no till at the bottom of Antarctica?"
And so then in the mid-80s, early 80s,
a group of geophysicists from the University of Wisconsin
started to use different techniques
where they'd light off explosives
on the ice sheets, the explosives would go down,
bounce off the bed and come back up,
and they were like, "No, this technique
"is telling us that the bed of Antarctica
"is actually made up of this deformable material.
"It's made up of till."
And so then in the 90s, they actually drilled holes
through the whole ice sheet of Antarctica,
all the way to the bed, and it was; it was made of till.
So Antarctica, in reality, looks more like Wisconsin,
than it does like the Swiss Alps.
So we have to figure out something to explain how
ice slips over a deformable bed in addition to the hard bed.
And so a deformable bed might look something like this.
This is a glacier in Iceland called Myrdalsjökull.
These sort of ridges between these dark green things
are lakes, sort of right here,
and these ridges between them are actually drumlins.
These features called drumlins that we'll talk a little more about.
And they been shaped by the bottom of the glacier.
The glacier has sort of built these mounds up
and it's dug out other areas.
But if you were to look at this, this dirt, this material,
it's not rock, it's sort of unconsolidated material.
And this is probably what Wisconsin looked like 15,000 years ago.
There was no plants or anything.
It was just sort of a bunch of lakes
with debris and stuff like that right after
the glaciers retreated out of the area.
In fact, Antarctica, when you look at the surface of it,
you'd have no idea, but when they drill through,
they do see the bed is made up of it.
This is just a reconstruction by Dave Michaelson.
It's a field from the Wisconsin Geologic and Natural History
survey of how the ice advanced
throughout Wisconsin through time.
So you can see that this is the Driftless Area down here.
This is the Green Bay lobe.
Madison is basically right around here.
We built this big glacial Lake Wisconsin,
it's going to drain.
But the point of this is that as the ice advanced
and retreated over Wisconsin, it wasn't sliding over a hard bed.
It was sliding over this loose sort of debris at the base of the glacier.
We needed to think about this problem, not only in terms of hardbedded glaciers,
like we've done all this work and that a lot of theoreticians been working on,
but deformable bedded glaciers that have sort of sediment at the bottom of them
that can be deformed in addition to the glacier sliding.
So we have sort of multiple possibilities
for how a glacier might slide over a bed
made up of deformable till.
The first one here on the left is that the till is deforming
as the ice moves over the top of it.
And the ice just kind of rides atop the deforming layer.
A second possibility, like the one in the middle,
is that the till is deforming,
but the ice is also sliding at the interface.
So both of the things we talked about
are till deformation, but all of the things we talked about
with respect to sliding before are still relevant.
And the third possibility, is that the till
is actually rigid.
It's not moving at all
and that the ice is just sliding atop it.
Alright, so this would be very similar
to the hard-bedded glacier that we talked about before.
Now, we know from laboratory experiments
that if it's a till-dominated system,
if the glacier's riding atop a till,
that material behaves as something called a Coulomb.
It has a "coulombreology."
Whereas the ice just sliding over the till,
like in the third example there,
would obey essentially like a Weertman type sliding law.
So we have these two possibilities
of a Weertman-type sliding law,
as the ice slides around little bumps
at the ice till interface.
Or something that's a Coulomb,
which is a little more sort of complicated to think about.
Basically, a Coulomb material, you push on it,
nothing happens, you push on it a little harder,
nothing happens, you push on it a little bit harder, and it breaks.
And then once it breaks, you can no longer predict
how fast it'll slide based on how hard you're pushing on it
'cause you can't exceed its strengthening.
It's sort of-- It's like a plastic material,
so as soon as you break the plastic,
it no longer has any strength behind it.
So, the objective, also, is to try to determine
the sliding rule for these deforming bed glaciers.
Things like we know they're in Antarctica.
And like what happened in Wisconsin
during the last glaciation.
So we can use the same general type of deformational rig.
Instead of putting a hard bed at the bottom,
that has a sinusoidal shape or a step bed,
we can put till in the bottom.
This is a Horicon till; this is actually the till
that we're sitting, we're standing on right now.
But we run these experiments all over the world.
I used to drive to Madison before I worked here
to dig five-gallon pails full of dirt
and put them in my car then drive
10 hours back to sort of run the experiments,
because this till that we're sitting on here
is so unique that it's perfect for these types
of experiments and it sort of,
it's sort of ideal so,
I've been coming to Madison for years
even before I worked here just to dig things
from roadside ditches and whatnot.
So this is the apparatus, and that's this,
this Wisconsin till poured in the bottom of it.
And in addition to putting the till in there,
we put vertical strings of plastic beads.
And the reason we do that is because when,
after we put the till in, we fill it up with ice like last time,
and we twist the ice over the till.
We want to see is the till actually deforming?
Or is all of the slip occurring right at the ice till interface?
Or is it something else that we can't imagine?
So after they're done, we can pull it out and this is a chunk of the till
that had a string of beads that were originally vertical in them.
You can see something interesting here.
First, the beads at the bottom have a little bit
of a tilt to them, but then there's some gap.
There's some missing between the bottom of the ice,
at the ice till interface and the top of the bead string.
That's because there was beads there.
But that till has been deformed so much
that those beads have been swept completely
out of the picture.
And so if I had to sort of draw a cartoon
of what the till, the deformation in the till looked like
as the ice was slid atop this thing in our experiments, it looks something like this.
So the beads are still in the till,
they're just a long ways away.
And so in addition, you can flip this thing over,
you pull it out and flip it over, so now we're looking at the bottom of it,
and you could spend days and days in this freezer
that's negative 10,
chiseling it out trying to find
these little plastic beads and then measuring
where they are really accurately
to get the full deformation profile,
to actually figure out how much deformation
is occurring in the till.
So I did that, a couple of times.
And you come up with this pretty simple graph
which represents a lot of sort of pain on my behalf,
which is this bead you see right here,
are the things that were at the bottom of the ice.
These are the things that were in that picture.
These beads were ones that couldn't be in the picture
because they had slid too much, too far away.
This red dot represents how far the ice moved totally.
And so what you're seeing is that
this amount of deformation right here, up until this point,
occurred from the till actually deforming,
and the rest of this gap, between this point and this point,
is from the ice actually sliding over the till.
We can look at the till and something,
we see some interesting things so,
you can probably see a break right here,
between the till above it looks sort of
has these linear fissure cracks in it,
and the till below looks normal.
And this is something glacial geologists have used
for hundreds of years to try to denote
till has been highly deformed
from till that just wasn't deformed.
And they were just more or less
sort of using intuition or guessing about it,
but these laboratory experiments confirmed
that was a good assumption.
They were making a good assumption and their observation
in the field are probably accurate for the time,
the time they were doing it.
But if we step back to the thousand dollar question here,
is so how does the ice slide over a till bed?
'Cause this is really the thing that needs to go in ice sheet models.
This is the sliding law that those models need to
start to incorporate if they want to
be able to do a good job to predict it,
because we know Antarctica's sitting on a till bed.
We had these two possibilities
of a Coulomb sliding bed
and a rate strengthening Weertman-type sliding bed.
And what our experiments show
is that it's actually sort of a combination of both, right?
That there's some amount of rate strengthening
that occurs up into a point where it reaches
the actual strength of that till and the till
can't withstand it anymore, and then the till breaks,
and then the till governs everything else.
So just to sort of put this in a more of a
schematic type version, we started with these two.
It's actually something like that, right.
It's a combination of both of them.
And at these slower-sliding speeds,
before we exert enough stress on the till to break it,
were occurring by just slip right over the top of the till.
Right, there's nothing going on inside the till.
But once we reach this sort of threshold sliding speed,
then the till breaks and the deformation
is a response of things occurring in the till
and things occurring as they slide along the till.
But not only does this have repercussions
for ice sheets sliding, ice sheet models,
but it also describes how a lot of land forms
that we see that glaciers build underneath the bottom of them
from the dirt that's sort of laying around are built.
So if you go back to this photo.
If you think of this upper layer right here,
right above these beads,
this till is being deformed.
It's being advected out of the screen.
But in the experimental setup,
just as much till is coming in from the back.
So it's staying just fine.
But, say we weren't advecting till into this situation.
The till was just going out.
Well, this chunk of till would go out,
and then the whole surface would lower down.
And this would be the new ice bed surface.
And then this would advect out. And it would go down.
And so through that process, you can actually erode the till.
You can lower the surface of the till over time.
And the other side of the coin is there might be areas
where the till's coming in, but it's not going out.
So you put till in, it stays there.
Then you put more till in, it piles on top.
Piles on top, piles on top, so there's starting to be
some areas where you're piling up till,
and other areas where you're eroding till.
So you can, imagine some areas are building up,
and other areas are lowering down.
And this is a good explanation for how we form sort of
Wisconsin's most famous land form, the drumlin, all right?
Wisconsin has these features all over the landscape.
They're called the drumlin field.
And these features form at the bottom of a glacier.
So in this picture, ice is flowing from left to right,
the ice is building up this mound and then it flows around it
and it shapes it into this sort of cigar shape.
So this is what the Capitol sits on.
Bascom Hill is one of these things.
And as the ice flows around it, it's sort of
depositing material near the drumlin
and it's eroding material in between the drumlin.
They come in various forms. This is another one.
The ice is flowing from the upper right to the lower left.
This farmer was nice enough to plow it
in a way that made it look picturesque,
or mowed it picturesque for us,
but it sort of is building up over time.
And if you zoom out and you look at a map
of this entire region, you can see that there's
literally almost 15,000 of these things we've mapped
in this sort of area.
It's called the Madison Drumlin Field.
There's only one other drumlin field in the US
that's even close to this scale,
and I'm told in places like Russia
they actually call drumlins Madison drumlin-type,
because like this is like the most famous site
for them in the world is the one we have around here.
And so they form this whole plain and so
likely what happened was the ground surface is quite
a bit higher originally,
and through this deformation process we're talking about,
ice was advected out of the areas
in between the drumlins and a little bit was plastered on the drumlins,
and it sort of was dug down over time
as the glacier eroded and eroded its bed.
This is the area we are now, so you know we have
the big drumlin here the Capitol sits on. We have Bascom Hill.
This is the drumlin I used to live on.
That was a great claim to fame in my field
if you could say you lived on a drumlin.
I moved out here now so I'm no longer on the drumlin,
but it was a big disappointment to my drumlin friends.
But Madison has a bunch of them. Monona has a lot.
If you go to Google Maps, you can switch to the terrain view,
there's a button on there and you can see it, this type of feature.
And so you might imagine evolution of a drumlin field sort of like this.
So we're looking at it from the side and the ice is flowing out of the screen at us
as we start with something originally that's pretty flat.
And then at a later time,
there's been a lot of till deformation here
and the material's been advected out,
and the land surface has lowered.
This dotted line represents the original land surface.
More and more time passes and you get deeper and deeper
pockets in between drumlins and the drumlins look taller and taller.
They may not actually be going up in elevation from where they originally started.
It may just be that the area in between is getting lower and lower over time.
And that's probably the most likely explanation
for the drumlins that we have in Wisconsin.
So you get something like this.
As if you drew a line across here and you measured the elevation,
it would sort of look like that wavy pattern I drew.
So some of the overall conclusions I have
about glacier sliding is that drag does not
respond like the Weertman style sliding law predicts
for a hard bed.
That this rate-weakening response.
It's been verified for hard beds in the lab,
and for three dimensional,
more complicated, beds in the field.
Deformable beds like we have in Wisconsin behave like
a Coulomb material after you get to the point
where that deformation occurs.
And that these glacial slip processes
are responsible for a broad range of landforms that we see.
They shape most of the sort of landscape
we see in Wisconsin and things like the Alps
and whatnot are a response to this.
So, I want to say Neal Iverson has been my primary
collaborator on all these projects.
Jacob Woodard's aa grad student of mine, and Christian Helanow's a postdoc
who's does all the math for us.
The funding for all this was provided by
NSF Geomorphology and Land Use Dynamics Program.
So I'm happy to take any questions if we have any,
and that's it.
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