>> A PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION.
THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF
OUR "HERE AND NOW" 2020 ELECTION
COVERAGE.
>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," STATE
ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH KAUL
RESPONDS TO THIS WEEK'S MASS
SHOOTING IN MILWAUKEE.
THE STATE DEPUTY HEALTH
ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE.
HE'LL GO OVER PREPAREDNESS FOR A
POSSIBLE COVID-19 PAN DEM NICK.
A LOOK AT RESULTS FROM THE
LATEST MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL
POLL.
AND MCCOSHEN AND ROSS LOOK AHEAD
TO SUPER TUESDAY.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
FEBRUARY 28.
>> FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY THE
FUND FOR JOURNALISM AND PBS
WISCONSIN.
>> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS ORDERED
FLAGS TO BE FLOWN AT HALF STAFF
IN HONOR OF THE SHOOTINGS
VICTIMS IN MILWAUKEE.
SIX PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE
GUNMAN, 51-YEAR-OLD ANTHONY
FERRILL, DIED IN THE RAMPAGE.
THE CEO OF MOLSON COORS
DESCRIBED THE FIVE VICTIMS AS
OPERATORS, MACHINISTS AND
ELECTRICIANS.
THE SHOOTER WAS A CURRENT
EMPLOYEE OF THE COMPANY.
THE WISCONSIN DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE IS ASSISTING MILWAUKEE
AUTHORITIES FROM.
WE ARE JOINED NOW BY ATTORNEY
GENERAL JOSH KAUL AND THANKS
VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> FIRST, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE
AND REACTION TO THE SHOOTING IN
MILWAUKEE?
>> WELL, THESE MASS SHOOTINGS
THAT WE KEEP SEEING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL AWFUL
AND TRAGIC.
BUT IT'S PARTICULARLY BEGUN
WRENCHING WHEN ANOTHER SHOOTING
HAS HAPPENED IN WISCONSIN.
OUR DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS
BEEN INVOLVED IN THE RESPONSE TO
THIS SHOOTING.
OUR DIVISION OF CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION RESPONDED SHORTLY
AFTER THE SHOOTING AND OUR
OFFICE OF CRIME VICTIM SERVICES
IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST
THOSE IMPACTED.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO EMPLOYEES
AT MOLSON COORS AND EVERYBODY
IMPACTED BY THIS.
>> WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
THE ONGOING INVESTIGATION INTO
SUCH THINGS AS MOTIVE OR WHERE
THE GUN CAME FROM OR WHETHER
THERE WERE ANY RED FLAGS ABOUT
THE GUNMAN?
>> AS YOU SAID, THE
INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING, BUT
THERE ARE A LOT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL WHO
RESPONDED TO THE SCENE AND WHO
ARE INVOLVED IN THE RESPONSE TO
THIS, INCLUDING INVESTIGATING
SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST
TALKED ABOUT.
AS WE LEARN MORE, WE'RE GOING TO
MAKE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE
TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT PEOPLE
KNOW AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ABOUT
WHAT LED TO THIS TRAGIC
INCIDENT.
>> ON OTHER MATTERS, YOUR
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS JUST
SIGNED ON TO AN AGREEMENT WITH
THE LARGEST AGAIN NER AGAIN NER AGAIN NER RICK
OPIOID MANUFACTURER IN
WISCONSIN.
>> WE WANT TO HOLD THOSE
RESPONSIBLE ACCOUNTABLE.
THAT INCLUDES DRUG COMPANIES
THAT ENGAGED IN FALSE MARKETING
PRACTICES.
THIS AGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE
PART OF THAT EFFORT.
IT'S GOING TO MEAN THAT MORE
RESOURCES ARE COMING TO THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN AND I'M GOING
TO DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE SURE
THAT THOSE RESOURCES GO WHERE
THEY SHOULD, WHICH IS TO HELP
FIGHT THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC WITH
SUPPORT FOR TREATMENT,
PREVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT
EFFORTS.
>> ANY UNDERSTANDING YET AS TO
HOW MUCH OF THE SETTLEMENT UNDER
THE AGREEMENT WOULD COME TO
WISCONSIN?
>> WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS YET.
THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE AGREEMENT
IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT $1.6
BILLION NATIONWIDE.
SO THERE WILL BE MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS COMING TO WISCONSIN AS A
RESULT OF THAT AGREEMENT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT
THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT
WAS INVOLVED IN OPIOID
MANUFACTURE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER
COMPANIES THAT WERE INVOLVED AND
DISTRIBUTORS THAT WERE INVOLVED
AND IN MY VIEW IN CONTRIBUTING
TO THIS EPIDEMIC.
SO THIS IS ONE PART OF HOLDING
THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>> ONE WITH ONE OF THOSE MIGHT BE PURDUE
PHARMA, THE MANUFACTURER OF
OXYCONTIN.
>> LAST YEAR WE FILED SUIT
AGAINST TWO COMPANIES AS WELL AS
THE PRESIDENT AND CO-CHAIR OF
THE BOARD.
PURDUE PHARMA HAS DECLARED
BANKRUPTCY.
SOME STATES ENTERED INTO A
PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
WISCONSIN DID NOT JOIN THAT
PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH
TO HOLD MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY
ACCOUNTABLE.
WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE
RECOVERY FOR THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN SO THAT WE CAN GET
RESOURCES TO COMMUNITIES TO HELP
THEM FIGHT THIS EPIDEMIC.
>> YOU'VE ALSO JOINED A
MULTISTATE INVESTIGATION OF JUUL
LABS, WHICH MAKES E-CIGARETTES
FOR VAPING.
WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING
INVESTIGATED?
>> WE'VE SEEN A DRAMATIC
INCREASE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS
IN e-CIGARETTE USE AMONG YOUNG
PEOPLE.
I THINK IF YOU TALK TO MOST
PARENTS OF KIDS WHO ARE IN HIGH
SCHOOL AND EVEN SOME MIDDLE
SCHOOL STUDENTS, CERTAINLY
TEACHERS AT HIGH SCHOOLS AND
MIDDLE SCHOOLS, YOU'LL HEAR
ABOUT JUST HOW WIDESPREAD THIS
HAS BECOME.
THAT'S A REAL DANGER FOR THE
HEALTH OF KIDS HERE IN WISCONSIN
AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS
LOOKING IN TO SEE WHETHER THERE
WERE ANY FALSE OR DECEPTIVE
MARKETING OR SALES PRACTICES,
ALSO TO SEE WHETHER THERE WAS
TARGETING OF YOUNG PEOPLE
THROUGH THE ADVERTISING THAT
JUUL WAS DOING.
IF WE DO FIND THAT THAT SORT OF
IMPROPER MARKETING AND SALES
PROCESS WAS GOING ON, WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE STEPS TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE.
>> LASTLY AND BRIEFLY, WITH
ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, WHAT IS
YOUR RESPONSE TO THE STATE
LEGISLATURE NOT PASSING THE
SEXUAL ASSAULT BACKLOG BILL?
>> IT WAS DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
HOW THE LEGISLATURE RESPONDED TO
THAT.
YEARS AGO, WISCONSIN IDENTIFIED
THOUSANDS OF UNTESTED SEXUAL
ASSAULT KITS.
WHAT THAT BACK LOCK HAS BACKLOG HAS MEANT IS
JUSTICE WAS DELAYED AND PEOPLE
WHO COMMITTED A DANGEROUS
OFFENSE REMAINED ON THE STREETS
LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE.
WE ANNOUNCEED A CONVICTION OF
SOMEBODY WHO THERE WAS A KIT
COLLECTED IN HIS CASE ABOUT 20
YEARS AGO AND HE WENT ON TO
COMMIT TWO MORE ASSAULTS BECAUSE
THAT KIT WASN'T TESTED.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURES THERE'S
NEVER ANOTHER BACKLOG OF KITS IN
WISCONSIN AGAIN.
WE HAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IN THE
SENATE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY POLITICS GOT
IN THE WAY OF IT GETTING PASSED
IN THE ASSEMBLY.
I'M GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING TO
GET THAT PASSED.
>> JOSH KAUL, THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME,
FREDERICA.
>> DISRUPTION TO EVERYDAY LIFE
MAY BE SEVERE.
THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE CENTERS
FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND
PREVENTION THIS WEEK
DECLARING THAT THE NOVEL
CORONAVIRUS OR COVID-19, HAS
POTENTIAL TO SPREAD WIDELY IN
THE U.S.
IN TONIGHT'S CLOSER LOOK,
FEDERAL HEALTH OFFICIALS WARN
THAT SCHOOLS COULD BE CLOSED,
MASS PUBLIC GATHERINGS SUSPENDED
OR BUSINESSES FORCED TO HAVE
EMPLOYEES WORK REMOTELY.
WHAT IS WISCONSIN DOING TO
PREPARE IN WE TURN TO THE DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR OF THE STATE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES
CHUCK WARZECHA.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> THE CBC FURTHER SAYS THAT NOW
IS THE TIME FOR BUSINESSES,
HOSPITALS, COMMUNITIES, SCHOOLS
AND EVERYDAY PEOPLE, THEY SAY,
TO BEGIN PREPARING.
SO WHAT DOES ALL OF THAT LOOK
LIKE IN WISCONSIN?
>> SO I THINK THE KEY MOMENT
THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT
THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS DISEASE
TO BECOME TRANSMITTED WIDELY IN
OUR COMMUNITIES, WE'VE SHIFTED
TO BECOMING PREPARED FOR THAT
FROM JUST WATCHING IT AND TRYING
TO PREVENT IT FROM COMING INTO
OUR COMMUNITIES, WE'RE REACHING
A POINT WHERE THE POTENTIAL AND
THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT IT COULD.
SO WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE THINK
THROUGH WHAT THEY WOULD DO, HOW
THEY MIGHT SOCIALLY ISOLATE, HOW
WE MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
THINK ABOUT WHAT KINDS OF MASS
GATHERINGS ARE HAPPENING WHERE
TRANSMISSION COULD BE A PROBLEM
AND THEN AGAIN MAKING SURE WE'RE
MAKING GOOD DECISIONS BASED ON
RISK.
WE KNOW THAT SOME FOLKS HAVE
ALREADY SIGNALED THAT THEY'RE
MAKING THOSE DECISIONS EVEN
WITHOUT THAT RISK IN THE
COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE GET AHEAD OF THAT
AS WELL.
>> AND SO IF PEOPLE WERE MAKING
THOSE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN NOT
TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, BIG
CONCERTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
SHOULD THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY
EXPECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH
INFRASTRUCTURE TO TELL US WHEN
THE POINT HAS COME?
>> YES.
IN FACT, WHEN PEOPLE MAKE THOSE
DECISIONS, IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE
THEY DON'T KNOW THERE IS HELP.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN FOLKS
WONDER WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, MAKE
THAT CONTACT WITH THEIR LOCAL
PUBLIC HEALTH AGENCY.
IN WISCONSIN WE'VE GOT REALLY
STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH SUPPORT AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL.
>> NOW, WITH WISCONSIN HAVING
JUST A SINGLE POSITIVE CASE, IT
SEEMS HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW A
WILD SPREAD OF COVID-19 COULD
HAPPEN HERE.
HOW COULD IT?
>> IT'S LIKE THE H1N1 VIRUS IF
YOU REMEMBER FROM ABOUT TEN
YEARS AGO.
WHEN THAT FIRST ARRIVED ON THE
SCENE, BUT LIKE INFLUENZA, THIS
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SPREAD
RAPIDLY.
WE WATCHED THAT HAPPEN IN CHINA
FROM THE EARLY OUTBREAK TO
BROADER COMMUNITY SPREAD.
THAT CAN HAPPEN QUICKLY WITH ANY
VIRUS THAT COMMUNICATES IN THE
COMMUNITY.
>> ARE THERE NEW GUIDANCES FROM
PEOPLE GETTING IT FROM OTHER
PEOPLE IN TERMS OF TESTING?
DO YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE COME
FROM A PLACE LIKE CHINA WHERE IT
IS WIDESPREAD TO BE TESTED OR IS
THAT BEING EXPANDED AS WELL?
>> THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.
WE'RE GETTING UPDATED GUIDANCE
ON THAT.
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS ARE
MONITORING WHAT'S HAPPENING
AROUND THE GLOBE AND THAT'S
CHANGING WHAT WE'RE GIVING OUT
IN ADD ADVICE AND CONSIDERING RISK
LEVELS WHEN PEOPLE COME BACK
INTO THE COUNTRY, WHETHER
THEY'VE HAD CONTACT WITH PEOPLE
FROM THE HIGHER-RISK REGIONS.
WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE TO
CHANGE AS THIS DEVELOPS AND
EVOLVES AT THE GLOBAL LEVEL.
>> ARE CASES UNDER INVESTIGATION
IN WISCONSIN AT THIS MOMENT
EXPANDING?
>> NO.
ACTUALLY, WE CURRENTLY HAVE HAD
17 CASES UNDER -- PERSONS UNDER
INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S BEEN THE CASE FOR SOME
TIME.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO PENDING
CASES.
SO ALL BUT ONE OF THOSE WAS
NEGATIVE AND THEN THAT ONE CASE
YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IS OUR
ONLY POSITIVE CASE THAT WE'VE
HAD.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CDC
SAYS IT HAS NOW KIND OF FIXED
THE TEST KITS THAT CAN BE SENT
OUT TO STATES.
HAS WISCONSIN RECEIVED ITS TEST
KITS?
AND WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO
HAPPEN?
>> SO I KNOW OUR STATE
LABORATORY OF HYGIENE HAS BEEN
WORKING WITH THE CDC ON GETTING
THAT TEST UP AND RUNNING.
I CAN'T FORECAST WHEN THAT WILL
HAPPEN.
I EXPECT IT WILL BE RELATIVELY
SOON, WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO AT
THE VERY LONGEST.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE IN
WISCONSIN TO HAVE A VERY
HIGH-QUALITY STATE LABORATORY OF
HYGIENE.
>> GIVEN THE ISSUES IN CHINA
WITH THIS, ARE THERE SUPPLY
CHAIN PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF
GETTING EVEN PHARMACEUTICALS OR
EQUIPMENT OR THE PROTECTIVE GEAR
THAT WE NEED HERE?
>> SO FROM A PERSONAL PROTECTIVE
EQUIPMENT STANDPOINT, YES.
FDA SUS SENT A MESSAGE OUT I
THINK THIS MORNING ANNOUNCING
THEY DON'T HAVE AN ONGOING
SHORTAGE OF PHARMACEUTICALS AT
THIS POINT, SO I'M NOT SURE I'VE
HEARD AN UPDATE ON THAT.
BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, FACE
MASKS, GOWNS, THINGS LIKE THAT,
YEAH, WE DEFINITELY ARE SEEING
CHALLENGES IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN
AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON GUIDANCE ON AS WELL
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GIVE
PEOPLE ALTERNATIVE
RECOMMENDATIONS, WE CAN GIVE
GUIDANCE ON CONSERVATION UNTIL
THE SUPPLY CHAIN CAN BE
RESTABILIZED AND ALSO MAKE A
PITCH THAT EVERYONE GET THEIR
FLU SHOT, BECAUSE THAT IS
CIRCULATING IN THE COMMUNITY AT
A HIGH LEVEL AND THAT PUTS
STRESS ON THE SAME HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM THAT WE NEED TO BE
PREPARED FOR THIS VIRUS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
CHUCK WARZECHA, THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR JOINING US WITH YOUR
INFORMATION.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> NOW TO STATE POLITICS AND THE
FATE OF A REPUBLICAN TAX CUT
PLAN THAT PASSED BOTH HOUSES OF
THE LEGISLATURE LAST WEEK.
THE BILL USED STATE SURPLUS
DOLLARS TO LOWER INCOME TAXES
WHILE BRINGING DOWN THE DEATH.
IT HAD A SHORT LIFE SPAN BECAUSE
GOVERNOR EVERS KILLED THE BILL
WITH A VETO ON TUESDAY.
APPEARING AT A SCHOOL, EVERS
SAID THE BILL SHOULD HAVE USED
SURPLUS MONEY TO BOOST SCHOOL
AID.
>> FOLKS, THIS IS -- THE
SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS IS NOT
POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE TO START INVESTING IN
OUR KIDS AND OUR SCHOOLS.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE
TO CHOOSE BETWEEN INVESTING IN
OUR KIDS AND REDUCING PROPERTY
TAXES.
WE CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
>> REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP FIRED
BACK AT GOVERNOR EVERS AFTER HIS
TAX CUT VETO.
SENATE MAJORITY LEADER SCOTT
FITZGERALD SAID IN A STATEMENT,
WHILE I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE
GOVERNOR'S ACTIONS, I'M NOT
SURPRISED.
THIS IS THE SECOND INCOME TAX
CUT HE'S VETOED AS GOVERNOR.
HIS BUDGET PROPOSAL LAST SUMMER
INCLUDED OVER $1 BILLION IN TAX
HIKES.
REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE
WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD THE LINE
AGAINST HIS FAR LEFT AGENDA, HE
SAID.
A WISCONSIN APPEALS COURT TODAY
STRUCK DOWN AN OWE OZAUKEE JUDGE'S
RULING THAT PURGED THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE FROM STATE VOTER ROLLS
BECAUSE THEY CHANGED ADDRESS.
IT ALSO REVERSED THE LOWER COURT
RULING FINDING STATE OFFICIALS
IN CONTEMPT.
SPEAKING OF STATE ELECTION
OFFICIALS, IN TRYING TO MAKE
SURE THE WISCONSIN ELECTION
COMING UP IN A LITTLE MORE THAN
A MONTH IS SECURE, THE WISCONSIN
ELECTIONS COMMISSION LATE THIS
WEEK THREATENED TO PUBLICLY
SHAME SIX UNNAMED COMMUNITIES IF
THEY DON'T UPDATE OUTDATED
COMPUTER SYSTEMS THAT COULD PUT
THEM AT RISK FOR HACKING.
THE COMMISSION MADE MORE THAN $1
MILLION AVAILABLE TO CLERKS TO
UPGRADE THEIR COMPUTERS BUT NOT
ALL OF THEM TOOK ADVANTAGE OF
THE MONEY.
>> I SAID THIS BEFORE.
I DO NOT LIKE THE WAY ADDRESS
OUR WEAKNESSES.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW WHO THEY
ARE.
WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT AND WE
HAVE TO GET OVER THIS MYTH THAT
SOMEHOW KEEPING THAT A SECRET
ACTUALLY CREATES SECURITY.
>> THE COMMISSION WANTS THE
UPGRADES TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE
APRIL 7 PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND
SUPREME COURT ELECTION OR THE
COMMUNITIES WILL BE PUBLICLY
NAMED.
FOR MORE ON THIS STORY AND
OTHERS, GO TO pbswisconsin.org
AND CLICK ON NEWS.
>> MEANWHILE, WISCONSIN IS
FEELING THE BERN.
IN TONIGHT'S INSIDE LOOK, THE
NEW MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL
HAS BERNIE SANDERS IN A DOUBLE
DIGIT LEAD AGAINST DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY CHALLENGERS IN
WISCONSIN.
WE CHECK IN WITH POLL DIRECTOR
CHARLES FRANKLIN.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE.
>> WELL, SO YOUR POLLING SHOWS A
29% FAVOR SANDERS, 13 BUTTIGIEG,
11 KLOBUCHAR AND 9% WARREN.
THINGS REALLY HAVE CHANGED SINCE
YOUR LAST POLL FOR JOE BIDEN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENED BETWEEN
THOSE TWO IS IOWA AND NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
WE WERE FINISHING UP POLLING
AFTER KNEE VA NEVADA VOTED.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME SANDERS HAS
LED IN THE POLLS WE'VE BEEN
DOING ALMOST MONTHLY SINCE
AUGUST.
IT'S ALSO A FALL FOR BIDEN.
HE HAD LED EACH PREVIOUS POLL
AND NOW FALLS NOT EVEN TO
SECOND, BUT TO THIRD PLACE.
MIKE BLOOMBERG, WHO HAS BEEN
DOWN IN SINGLE DIGITS, BUMPS UP
INTO SECOND PLACE.
AND FINALLY ELIZABETH WARREN,
WHO HAD BEEN IN THE TOP TIER OF
CANDIDATES, HAS FALLEN OFF TO
NOW SIXTH PLACE.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION IN YOUR POLL
SHOWED THAT THE THREE TOP
DEMOCRATIC PICKS ALSO HAVE LIKE
THESE REALLY HIGH UNFAVORABLES.
IS THIS LIKE HOLDING YOUR NOSE
AND VOTING?
>> WELL, THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO
THIS.
AMONG JUST DEMOCRATIC VOTERS,
MOST OF THEM ARE SEEN PRETTY
FAVORABLE.
THE ONE EXCEPTION IS BLOOMBERG.
BUT AMONG THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE,
ALL OF THEM, WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF AMY KLOBUCHAR, ARE MORE
NEGATIVELY VIEWED THAN DONALD
TRUMP IS, WHICH IS SUPPORT OF A
SURPRISE.
BUT THE REASON IS THAT
REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLETELY
UNITED IN LIKING TRUMP AND
DISLIKING ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS.
BUT WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
BETWEEN 20% AND 25% HAVE
UNFAVORABLE VIEWS OF THEIR OWN
CANDIDATES.
THE REASON IS THAT THEY HAVE A
FIRST CHOICE AND THAT PERSON
GETS 90% FAVORABILITY, BUT THEN
THEY HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE
OTHER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.
IT WILL PROBABLY COME TOGETHER
ONCE THERE'S A NOMINEE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S HOLDING DOWN
DEMOCRATIC FAVORABILITY.
>> SO ANOTHER QUESTION YOU ASKED
WAS WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE HAD
MADE UP THEIR MINDS, AND YOU
FOUND THAT 56% OF DEMOCRATIC
RESPONDENTS SAY THEY MIGHT
CHANGE THEIR MIND.
IS THAT A HIGH NUMBER AT THIS
TIME?
>> IT'S KIND OF HIGH.
IT'S BEEN COMING DOWN GRADUALLY
OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS.
SO IT MAY BE HIGH, BUT IT'S LESS
HIGH THAN IT WAS A LITTLE WHILE
AGO.
ALSO, REMEMBER, WE ARE SO EARLY
IN THE PROCESS REALLY OF VOTING.
SOUTH CAROLINA AND THEN SUPER
TUESDAY AND THEN MORE MARCH
EVENTS WILL ALL AFFECT WHO IS
STILL A CANDIDATE BY THE TIME WE
VOTE IN APRIL.
SO IN THAT SENSE, IT MAY BE
REALISTIC FOR DEMOCRATS TO SAY I
COULD CHANGE MY MIND BECAUSE I
DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO WILL
STILL BE A VIABLE CANDIDATE.
>> WOULD A BIG WIN FOR BIDEN IN
SOUTH CAROLINA CHANGE THE
TRAJECTORY OF THIS THING?
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.
IT'S CLEAR THAT IF HE LOSES
SOUTH CAROLINA OR JUST BARELY
EKES OUT A WIN, THAT PUTS HIS
CAMPAIGN IN REAL TROUBLE FOR
DOING WELL ON SUPER TUESDAY.
A STRONGING FINISH, THOUGH,
GIVES HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO
WELL.
BUT IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER IT
WOULD PROPEL VICTORY ON SUPER
TUESDAY.
SO MORE OF A RISK ON THE
DOWNSIDE.
>> THE AGE OF BERNIE SANDERS'
BACKERS HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT
IN THIS LATEST SURVEY.
18 TO 29-YEAR-OLDS STILL BY FAR
THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS.
BUT THE OLDER SET IS KIND OF
WARMING UP TO HIM.
>> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
POINT.
HE HAS ALWAYS, IN 2016 AS WELL
AS THIS YEAR, DONE WAY BETTER
WITH YOUNGER VOTERS AND FALLEN
OFF QUITE A BIT WITH OLDER
VOTERS.
BUT IN THIS FEBRUARY POLL WE SEE
HIM CRACKING 20% SUPPORT AND
ABOVE WITH SOME OF THE OLDER
VOTERS.
THAT'S SOMETHING HE HAD NOT DONE
BEFORE.
AND IT SHOWS THAT HIS RISE THIS
MONTH IS COMING ACROSS THE AGE
SPECTRUM IN EVERY GROUP THAT'S
MORE SUPPORT THAN IT WAS A MONTH
AGO.
>> AS FOR REPUBLICAN
RESPONDENTS, THEY THINK
BLOOMBERG IS THE BIGGEST THREAT
TO TRUMP.
YOU ALSO FOUND 10% OF
REPUBLICANS EXPECT TO CROSS OVER
IN THE PRIMARY AND VOTE FOR WHO?
>> WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION.
WITH JUST 10%, IT'S HARD TO
KNOW.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CASES TO HAVE
MUCH OF AN IDEA.
SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE
ANTI-TRUMP REPUBLICANS WHO ARE
CROSSING OVER.
SOME MAY BE CROSSING OVER TO
MAKE MISCHIEF IN THE OTHER
PARTY.
AND FINALLY LET'S REMEMBER, WE
HAVE AN OPEN PRIMARY LAW HERE.
>> RIGHT.
>> IT'S EVERY CITIZEN'S RIGHT TO
VOTE IN WHICHEVER PRIMARY THEY
WANT TO VOTE IN.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PRE
PREDECLARED AS A DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICAN.
>> SANDERS SLIGHTLY EDGES TRUMP,
BUT BIDEN HAS A NINE-POINT LEAD
LAST TIME.
>> YEAH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHIFTED
HERE IS THAT HE, BIDEN, HAD LED
AGAINST TRUMP IN ALL BUT ONE OF
OUR POLLS THIS FALL.
SOMETIMES CLOSE, SOMETIMES NOT
SO CLOSE.
BUT NOW TIED.
SANDERS HAS BEEN JUST BARELY
AHEAD OF TRUMP IN MOST AND
BEHIND IN ONE AND THAT'S
BASICALLY WHERE HE IS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE, THOUGH,
IS THAT THE NOVEMBER RACE IS
SUPER CLOSE.
>> EP WHY.
>> ALL OF THESE ARE INSIDE THE
MARGIN OF ERROR.
IT'S A LONG, LONG WAYS TO
NOVEMBER.
>> ALL RIGHT.
CHARLES FRANKLIN, THANKS VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THIS AM PRACTICING NOTE.
STATE SUPREME COURT CANDIDATES
WILL FACE OFF IN A PBS,
WISCONSIN PUBLIC RADIO DEBATE ON
FRIDAY NIGHT, MARCH 27.
WPR'S SHAWN JOHNSON WILL JOIN ME
TO CO-MODERATE THE ONE-HOUR LIVE
EVENT.
THAT'S FRIDAY NIGHT, MARCH 27.
>> IT'S THE MARCH MADNESS OF THE
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY RACE.
AS WE MENTIONED, SUPER TUESDAY
IS NEXT WEEK.
THAT'S WHEN 14 STATES, INCLUDING
OUR NEIGHBORS IN MINNESOTA, PUT
WELL OVER 1,000 DELEGATES ON THE
LINE.
IT CAN BE EITHER A GAME-CHANGER
OR A DEAL-BREAKER FOR DEMOCRATS
RUNNING TO BE THEIR PARTY'S
NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.
OUR POLITICAL PANELISTS ALREADY
KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND THAT'S
WHY WE INVITED THEM ON THE SHOW
TONIGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AHEAD.
>> WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOWERING
EXPECTATIONS SO YOU'RE BOUND TO
SUCCEED.
>> PRIMARIES ARE ALL ABOUT
EXPECTATIONS.
>> YOU FIRST, SCOT.
PREDICTION ON FIRST SOUTH
CAROLINA AND THEN SUPER TUESDAY.
>> I THINK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
TAKES SOUTH CAROLINA.
IT WILL BE TIGHTER THAN WE HAD
EXPECTED IT TO BE.
SUPER TUESDAY, AGAIN, LIKE YOU
SAID, 40% OF 1300 DELEGATES OUT,
I THINK IT'S NOT UNREALISTIC
THAT SENATOR SANDERS TAKES 40%
OF THOSE.
A COUPLE THINGS AFTER THAT.
PETE AND AMY ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY CAN GO
ON.
IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ROAD
FOR ELIZABETH WARREN IF SHE
DOESN'T MAKE SOME PROGRESS.
BLOOMBERG CAN SPEND ALL OF HIS
MONEY UNTIL THE END.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING
TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>> BILL?
>> SO PRIMARY IS ABOUT
EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT?
BIDEN IS EXPECTED TO WIN
TOMORROW.
BUT THE SIZE OF THE VICTORY IS
GOING TO MATTER.
IF HE WINS BY TWO, THREE, FOUR
POINTS HE MIGHT AS WELL LOSE.
HE'SGOING TO GET A DOUBLE-DIGIT
VICTORY.
HE WENT ALL IN ON SOUTH
CAROLINA.
HE LEFT NEW HAMPSHIRE EARLY.
I DON'T SEE HIS PATH ON SUPER
TUESDAY.
THERE'S 14 STATES UP.
HE'S NOT LEADING IN ANY OF THEM.
IF HE GETS A SMALL BUMP ON
SATURDAY NIGHT, CAN THAT REALLY
CATAPULT HIM ONTO SUNDAY OR P
SEWER TUESDAY?
I DON'T SEE IT.
THIS IS BERNIE'S RACE TO LOSE.
>> DO WE FORESEE A BROKERED
CONVENTION?
>> WE MAY.
THAT'S THE FIRST DAY BLOOMBERG
WILL BE ON THE BALLOT.
BERNIE SANDERS HAS SPENT THE
SECOND MOST.
AMY KLOBUCHAR BELIEVE IT OR NOT
HAS SPENT THE THIRD MOST IN THE
SUPER TUESDAY STATES.
BIDEN IS FOUR TIMES LESS THAN
AMY KLOBUCHAR ON THOSE STATES.
I'M WITH SCOT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW AMY OR LYBS
ELIZABETH OR EVEN PETE GO ON
AFTER THOSE STATES.
>> THE DEMOCRATS WILL MAKE THE
DECISION AND WHOEVER IT IS WILL
GO ON TO DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.
ALL THE LEADING DEMOCRATS CAN
DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP.
>> IS IT TRUE THAT THE DEMOCRATS
DO NOT LIKE BERNIE SANDERS?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE HARD FEELINGS ABOUT 2016.
BUT LISTEN.
THIS IS A PRIMARY WITH A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN IT.
THEY CAN BE NASTY FIGHTS.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS DO
YOU COME TOGETHER AT THE END.
I THINK ALL SIGNALS ARE
DEMOCRATS WILL REUNITE AT THE
END BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DEFEAT
DONALD TRUMP.
>> DO YOU THINK IT'S REAL THAT
BERNIE SANDERS MIGHT PICK TAMMY
BALDWIN AS HIS RUNNING MATE?
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE AN
EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR WHOEVER IS
THE NOMINEE.
SHE HASN'T LOST.
WISCONSIN IS GOING TO DECIDE
THIS ELECTION.
AND SHE'S A TERRIFIC, TERRIFIC
POLITICIAN AND A TERRIFIC
SENATOR.
IT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE WIN FOR
THE TICKET.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE
QUESTION.
I DON'T.
SHE FITS THE BILL.
SHE'S PROGRESSIVE.
SHE'S DONE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL
HERE IN WISCONSIN.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRUCIAL
STATE.
I THINK SHE HAS APPEAL IN
MINNESOTA, IOWA AND MICHIGAN.
I WOULDN'T RULE HER OUT, THAT'S
FOR SURE.
>> IS IT TRUE THAT THE
REPUBLICANS MOST FEAR BLOOMBERG?
>> I THINK THEY FEAR A CENTRIST
AND THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE
THE DIRECTION THE DEMOCRATS ARE
GOING UNLESS THEY CAN COALESCE
AROUND BIDEN AND SAVE HIS
CAMPAIGN OR AROUND BLOOMBERG
WHICH WAS FATALLY HURT DURING
THE NEVADA DEBATE.
THAT MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST
TACTICAL MISTAKE, WAS PUTTING
HIM IN A POSITION TO GET
SLAUGHTERED.
I WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.
>> AND WHO PROSECUTED THAT?
ELIZABETH WARREN.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENED TO ELIZABETH
WARREN IN ALL OF THIS?
>> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
FOLKS WHO ARE IN FINANCIAL
INDUSTRY WHO KNOW THAT ELIZABETH
WARREN COULD TAKE THEM APART
PIECE BY PIECE IF SHE IS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING.
I ALSO THINK SEXISM.
I WORKED FOR SEVERAL WOMEN WHO
RAN FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE ONLY 15
YEARS AGO AND SEXISM WAS
RAMPANT.
I THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY PLAYS
INTO IT.
>> YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S
ABOUT?
>> I THINK SHE LACKS
AUTHENTICITY.
SHE HIT HER CEILING IN
OCTOBER WHEN SHE WAS IN THE LEAD
IN A LOT OF NATIONAL POLLS.
I DON'T SEE A PATH FOR HER AND
SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET WINS
TOMORROW OR ON SUPER TUESDAY.
>> WE WILL BE WATCHING.
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
THAT IS OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
I'M FI'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
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