>> I'M ZAC SCHULTZ FILLING IN
FOR FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," THE
STORY OF ONE MILWAUKEE FAMILY'S
ONGOING RECOVERY FROM GUN
VIOLENCE.
WE'LL HEAR FROM A CITY LEADER ON
HOW GUN VIOLENCE CREATES TRAUMA
FOR AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR EVERS ISSUED
THE FIRST PARDONS IN WISCONSIN
IN NINE YEARS.
I'LL TALK WITH A MEMBER OF THE
GOVERNOR'S PARDON ADVISORY
BOARD.
AND A LOOK AT THE UNITED STATES'
SHIFTING ALLIANCE IN THE MIDDLE
EAST.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
OCTOBER # 1.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
>> FOUR PEOPLE WERE SHOT IN
MILWAUKEE YESTERDAY, TWO ADULTS
AND TWO CHILDREN.
POLICE SAY ONE OF THE ADULTS WAS
KILLED.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT RARE.
LAST YEAR IN MILWAUKEE, 100
PEOPLE WERE VICTIMS OF HOMICIDE.
ANOTHER 475 WERE VICTIMS OF
NONFATAL SHOOTINGS.
WHILE MURDERS DRAW MORE
ATTENTION, THE EFFECTS OF A
NONFATAL SHOOTING CAN BE LIFE
ALTERING AND RIPPLE JUST AS FAR
INTO THE COMMUNITY.
>> IN AUGUST OF 2018, TYRESE
MOSBEY WAS LOOKING TO START A
NEW CHAPTER IN HIS LIFE.
HE HAD ENROLLED IN AN
ALTERNATIVE SCHOOL HOPING TO
CATCH UP WITH HIS STUDIES.
>> IT WAS GOOD.
I CAME TO SCHOOL ON TIME.
>> TYRESE STOOD OUT.
>> HIS ENGLISH TEACHER.
>> HE WASN'T A FOLLOWER.
HE WAS ONE OF THE ONES IN THE
CLASSROOM THAT WHEN I GAVE AN
ASSIGNMENT, HE FINISHED IT ON
TIME.
>> ON AUGUST 29 TYRESE FINISHED
HIS LATEST ASSIGNMENT.
>> I WILL ACHIEVE AND REACH MY
GOAL BY ATTENDING SCHOOL ON
TIME, STAYING IN MY OWN LANE AND
BY STAYING OUT OF TROUBLE.
[APPLAUSE]
>> THAT AFTERNOON, THERE WAS A
FIGHT AT SCHOOL THAT SPILLED
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UNINVOLVED, TYRESE ENDED UP AT
THE BUS STOP DOWN THE BLOCK.
>> AND THEN IT WAS ME AND SOME
OTHER FRIENDS AT THE BUS STOP.
AND I GUESS THE MAN CAME BACK
AND THREW A PASS.
AND HE LOOKED AT ME.
AND I LOOKED AT HIM.
THEN AS I WAS ABOUT TO RUN, YOU
KNOW, HE UP AND SHOOT ME.
HE SHOT TEN TIMES.
HIT ME ONCE.
I FELT IT RIGHT HERE IN MY HEAD.
I FELL TO THE GROUND ON MY LEFT
SIDE.
>> HIS TEACHER HEARD THE SHOTS
AND RAN OUTSIDE.
>> AND WE SEE A POLICE OFFICER
GIVING CPR.
>> AND I SAW HIM.
I SEEN A POLICE.
I THINK I'M CHECKING OUT.
I THOUGHT I WAS DYING.
>> THE DAY I GOT THE CALL, --
>> TYRESE'S MOTHER GOT THE CALL
AT WORK.
>> I'M CRYING HAPPY TEARS AND
SAD TEARS.
BUT WHEN I GOT THAT CALL, I
DIDN'T -- NOT ONE SOUL IN MY
BODY, MY BABY WAS GONE.
>> TYRESE WAS IN A COMA.
>> A COMA LIKE IS A LONG, LONG
NIGHTMARE.
>> HE CAME OUT OF IT, BUT
REMAINED HOSPITALIZED.
FOUR MONTHS LATER, TYRESE
SURVIVED BRAIN SURGERY.
BUT HIS LEFT SIDE WAS PARALYZED
AND HE COULDN'T TALK.
>> WHEN I WOKE UP THE COMA, I
COULDN'T REALLY TALK.
I COULDN'T EVEN MOVE MY WHOLE
LEFT SIDE.
I STILL CAN'T MOVE MY ARM YET.
BUT I COULDN'T MOVE MY LEFT LEG.
I'M WORKING ON GETTING STRONGER.
>> HE WAS FACING MONTHS OF
REHAB.
SUDDENLY HIS ACADEMIC GOALS TOOK
ON A NEW MEANING.
>> I WILL LEAD MYSELF IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION AND PUSH MYSELF
TO DO BETTER.
>> WHILE TEE REESE TYRESE STRUGGLED IN
REHAB, HIS MOTHER STRUGGLED
TAKING CARE OF HIS SIBLINGS
WHILE VISITING TYRESE AND TRY TO
KEEP HER JOB.
>> THAT'S WHAT KEEP ME STRONG,
THE KIDS.
HE AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.
WITH ALL THE BAD NEWS AND GOOD
NEWS, I CRY HAPPY TEARS, SAD
TEARS.
>> SHE MOVED OUT OF HER
APARTMENT, FEARING MORE VIOLENCE
AND ENDED UP HOMELESS.
>> I'VE BEEN STRESSED.
>> NOW HIS TEACHER IS HOPING THE
COMMUNITY STEPS UP TO HELP THEM.
>> WHAT I NOTICE IN OUR
COMMUNITY IS WHEN A PERSON THAT
WE RAISE SO MUCH MONEY FOR THE
FUNERAL, BUT THEN WHEN THE
CHILDREN DO SURVIVE, THEY'RE BY
THEMSELVES.
>> TYRESE SPENT MOST OF HIS
REHAB AN HOUR AWAY FROM
MILWAUKEE, SO HIS MOTHER COULD
ONLY SEE HIM ONCE A WEEK.
OR WHEN HE HAD APPOINTMENTS IN
THE CITY.
STRANGERS WHO HEARD HIS STORY
OFFERED THEIR PRAYERS.
>> WE THANK YOU FOR BRINGING
TYRESE FROM A MIGHTY, MIGHTY,
MIGHTY LONG WAYS.
>> WE PRAY.
LET'S PRAY THAT THEY SURVIVE.
WHEN THEY DO SURVIVE, THEY'RE
LEFT BY THEMSELVES.
>> WITH NEW GLASSES IN HANDS,
IT'S TIME TO HEAD BACK TO REHAB.
>> EVERY TIME IT HAPPEN, MAKE ME
WANNA CRY.
I BE DOWN, BUT IT BRING ME UP
KNOWING THAT HE'S NOT CRYING
AND, YOU KNOW.
SO I FEEL BETTER NOW.
BUT I BE HATE LEAVING HIM.
>> TYRESE HAD TO RELEARN SKILLS
HE HAD MASTERED LONG AGO.
BUT HE NEVER GAVE UP.
>> YOU NEVER LOSE HOPE OR FAITH.
EVEN THOUGH MY ARM IS NOT, YOU
KNOW, FULLY THERE YET, I HAVEN'T
GAVE UP, BECAUSE ONE DAY MY ARM
MIGHT MOVE.
>> GOOD.
PICK IT UP.
>> HIS GOAL WAS TO GET HOME, TO
BE A BIG BROTHER TO HIS BROTHER
AND SISTER.
>> MY MOTHER, MY TWO LITTLE SYB
INKS,SIBLINGS, THEY MY HEART.
>> LOOK AT HIM.
LOOK AT HIM.
>> HE GETTING UP.
>> TEN MONTHS AFTER HE WAS SHOT,
TYRESE WAS HOME.
>> IT IS LIKE A BLESSING FOR HIM
TO BE HOME.
SOMETIMES I WAKE UP AND I JUST
GO IN THE ROOM AND I KNOW HE BE
TALKING.
KEEP COMING UP HERE.
THAT'S MY -- HE'S 18 AND STILL
MY BABY.
>> IT'S HAPPY.
BUT IT CAN'T BE BE A HAPPY
ENDING.
BECAUSE TYRESE AND HIS FAMILY
WILL DEAL WITH THE IMPACT OF HIS
SHOOTING FOR THE REST OF THEIR
LIVES.
>> SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S HARD,
LIKE WHEN A CHILD LIKE THIS,
HE'S STILL A BLESSING.
>> I THINK HE IS HOPE AND ALSO
AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT GUN VIOLENCE
DOES TO A COMMUNITY, TO A
FAMILY, TO A SCHOOL.
>> IT'S TOO MUCH.
THEY BE OUT THERE SHOOTING.
WHO YOU SHOOTING AT?
THAT'S NOT EVEN THE PERSON.
Y'ALL SHOOTING AT THE WRONG
PERSON.
>> IT'S EMOTIONALLY DRAINING, IT
IS.
HOW MANY TYRESES DO WE HAVE IN
MILWAUKEE?
>> THE IMPACT OF GUN VIOLENCE
DOES NOT STOP WITH TYRESE OR HIS
FAMILY.
FRIENDS, CLASSMATES AND TEACHERS
ALL CARRY THAT TRAUMA WITH THEM.
JOINING US NOW IS REGGIE MOORE,
WHO RUNS THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE
PREVENTION THROUGH THE CITY OF
MILWAUKEE'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> REGGIE, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION
TO TYRESE'S STORY?
>> THE FIRST THING I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE IS HIS RESILIENCE
AND RECOVERY AND JUST HOW PROUD
I AM OF HIM.
HIS TEACHER REACHED OUT TO THE
OFFICE LAST YEAR.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE
BEEN FOLLOWING.
BUT ALSO I WANT TO UNDERSCORE
THE FACT THAT IN MILWAUKEE OVER
500 PEOPLE ARE SHOT EVERY YEAR.
AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THE
STORY UNDERSCORES THE FACT THAT
THIS POPULATION OFTEN GOES
INVISIBLE.
WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE NUMBER
OF HOMICIDES.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY RALLIES
AROUND THOSE FAMILIES, AS THEY
SHOULD.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEGLECT
TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE
GRAVITY OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE SUFFERING AND SURVIVING
AFTER BEING SHOT IN THE CITY.
>> WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON
CLASSMATES OF TYRESE WHEN THEY
SEE HIM SHOT OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL
AND THEN HAVE TO CARRY ON THE
NEXT DAY?
>> AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT FROM
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BOTH IN MY
OWN LIFE, BUT ALSO IN MY WORK
WITH YOUNG PEOPLE THROUGHOUT OUR
COMMUNITY.
IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY TRAUMATIC.
IT IS HARD TO OBVIOUSLY
CONCENTRATE OR FOCUS OR BE ABLE
TO MOVE ON AFTER SOMETHING HAS
HAPPENED TO SOMEBODY YOU CARE
ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, HOW
IMPORTANT EDUCATORS AND FOLKS
WHO HAVE DIRECT AND TRUSTED
RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE
ARE IN THAT HEALING PROCESS.
>> NOW, WE JUST HAD ANOTHER
EPISODE OF GUN VIOLENCE IN
MILWAUKEE.
IS THAT REOCCURRING TRAUMA GOING
TO AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW
TYRESE A YEAR AGO?
EVERYONE WHO SUFFERED, DO THEY
SUFFER AGAIN WHEN THEY HEAR OF
ANOTHER EPISODE?
>> EVERY TIME THESE THINGS
HAPPEN, IT NOT ONLY AFFECTS THE
PEOPLE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, BUT IT
IMPACTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S BEEN A SERIES OF
SHOOTINGS OVER THE PAST TWO
WEEKS, INCREASING INCIDENCE OF
WOMEN AND GIRLS SHOULD HAVE BEEN
SHOT.
THIS SHOCKS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF
OUR COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE ARE WORKING EVERY DAY
TRYING TO PREVENT IT ON THE
FRONT END AND SUPPORT AND
PROVIDE HEALING ON THE BACK END.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
TO TAKE SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THE
TRAUMA THAT'S NOT TRANSFORMED
OFTEN GETS TRANSFERRED.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT DECADES OF
PAIN IN THIS COMMUNITY OF YOUNG
PEOPLE WHO GROW INTO ADULTS, WHO
CARRY A LOT OF PAIN, THAT MAY
EVENTUALLY OR COULD RESULT IN
RAGE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
HAVE TO DO TO REALLY STOP THE
PRODUCTION OF TRAUMA, BOACT BOTH FROM
A SYSTEMIC LEVEL, BUT ALSO ON A
PERSONAL LEVEL.
IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT HEALING, COMMUNITY
RESILIENCE, WHAT THAT MEANS ON
THE GROUND LEVEL.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT NEIGHBOR TO
NEIGHBOR, FAMILY TO FAMILY,
FRIEND TO FRIEND AND BEING
REALLY COMMITTED TO BEING HERE
FOR EACH OTHER AND NOT -- THE
SILENCE CAN BE DEAFENING.
IF SOMEBODY GETS SHOT IN A
COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THERE'S NO OUTRAGE, NO RESPONSE,
NO OUTREACH FOLLOWING THAT, IT
BECOMES NORMALIZED.
WE CAN NEVER NORMALIZE THIS
LEVEL OF VIOLENCE AND TRAUMA IN
ANY COMMUNITY.
>> BESIDES THE OFFICE OF
VIOLENCE PREVENTION YOU'RE ALSO
INVOLVED WITH SCALING WELLNESS
IN MILWAUKEE OR WOMEN.
WHAT ARE THESE ORGANIZATIONS
DOING TO PROMOTE HEALING?
>> RIGHT.
WE HAVE A TRAUMA RESPONSE
PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WORK WITH,
FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL AS
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DIVISION.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE
2015 WHERE WE'VE TRAINED FIRST
RESPONDERS TO UNDERSTAND TRAUMA
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ENSURING
THAT CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN
EXPOSED TO VIOLENCE GET
IMMEDIATE AND CONSISTENT SUPPORT
AND COUNSELING AS NEEDED.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
CONTINUOUSLY DO.
WE'RE AT OVER 200 REFERRALS FOR
THIS YEAR ALONE.
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SWIM,
WE'RING ATWE'RELOOKING AT HOW WE IMPROVE
COORDINATION, WORKING
COLLECTIVELY AS A COMMUNITY TO
ADDRESS THE AFTERMATH OF TRAUMA.
HOW DO WE BUILD COMMUNITY
CAPACITY TO PREVENT TRAUMA IN
THE FIRST PLACE?
>> WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF
MILWAUKEE, BUT ISN'T THE TRAUMA
DIFFERENT AND DEEPER WHEN WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR WITHIN MILWAUKEE?
>> I THINK YOU HAVE INCIDENTS OF
CONCENTRATED TRAUMA.
WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE
HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
WE DIDN'T GET HERE OVERNIGHT.
THERE WERE POLICIES AND
PRACTICES THAT HAVE CREATED
CONDITIONS WHERE POVERTY AND
TRAUMA THRIVE.
SO WE HAVE TO UNDO THAT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO UNDO
THAT.
BUT WHILE WE DO THAT, WE ALSO
HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF TRIAGING
THE TRAUMA THAT'S HAPPENING.
THIS IS GOING TO TAKE AN ALL
HANDS ON DECK EFFORT FROM
POLICYMAKERS AND EVERYDAY
RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALL COGNIZANT
OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE GOT HERE
AND HOW LONG OF THE EFFORT THAT
IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO TRANSFORM
THIS COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT EK EQUITABLE
INVESTMENT, WE HAVE NOT DONE
THAT.
WHAT WE'RE SUFFERING FROM RIGHT
NOW IS LACK OF INVESTMENT AND
PREVENTION OVER THE PAST TWO TO
THREE DECADES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
MILWAUKEE IS NOT ALONE.
WE HAVE OVER-RELIED ON THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO SOLVE
SYSTEMATIC ISSUES THAT BASICALLY
PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR THE PAIN
THAT THEY'VE SUFFERED AND
ENDURED.
SO AGAIN WE HAVE TO HAVE A
PARADIGM SHIFT IN HOW AS A
COMMUNITY WE BUILD A COMMUNITY
THAT CAN THRIVE AND NOT
CONSTANTLY REACTING TO TRAUMA ON
THE BACK END.
>> YOU MENTIONED NORMALIZING
THIS TRAUMA.
IS IT DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE EVEN
AFFECTED BY TRAUMA IN THE FIRST
PLACE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY ADVERSE
EVENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY RESULT
IN TRAUMA.
WHEN I TOOK THE ASSIST SURVEY I
SCORED PRETTY HIGH.
SO MY EXPOSURE AS AN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN IN THIS
COMMUNITY AND THE THINGS THAT I
EXPERIENCED AND WERE EXPOSED TO
WERE QUITE A FEW IN TERMS OF
ADVERSE EXPERIENCES, SOME MORE
TRAUMATIC THAN OTHERS.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT PEOPLE
ARE SELF-AWARE AND RECOGNIZE.
WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN, THAT
PARENTS ARE AWARE AND RECOGNIZE
THE EFFECTS OF PTSD AND TRAUMA
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, YES,
PRAYER WORKS.
THERE ARE OTHER TRADITIONAL
PRACTICES THAT DIFFERENT FAITH
COMMUNITIES OR INDIVIDUALS MAY
ENGAGE IN.
BUT ALSO DESTIGMATIZING MENTAL
HEALTH.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
SEEKING COUNSELING OR TALKING TO
SOMEBODY ABOUT HOW YOU'RE
FEELING OR WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR
CHILD TO SAY MY CHILD IS WAKING
UP TWO, THREE TIMES A NIGHT
SCREAMING AS A RESULT OF THEIR
EXPOSURE TO SEEING THEIR FRIENDS
SHOT MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO OR A
YEAR AGO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY NOT TO
BE OKAY.
MEANING IT IS OKAY TO SEEK HELP.
WE HAVE STIGMATIZED MENTAL
ILLNESS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT
ALL OF US STRUGGLE WITH ONE
THING OR ANOTHER AND THAT IT'S
NOT HUMAN NATURE TO BE EXPOSED
TO SOMETHING THAT IS TRAUMATIC
AND THAT EFL WILL LEVEL OF EVIL AND FEEL
YOU CAN GO ON WITHOUT ANY LEVEL
OF SUPPORT.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERY
COMMUNITY TO TAKE MENTAL HEALTH
SERIOUSLY.
>> REGGIE MOORE FROM MILWAUKEE,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NOW TO STATE CAPITOL NEWS.
EARLIER THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR
EVERS ISSUED THE FIRST PARDONS
OF HIS TIME IN OFFICE AND THE
FIRST IN WISCONSIN IN NINE
YEARS, SINCE FORMER GOVERNOR
SCOTT WALKER DISBANDED THE BOARD
AND REFUSED TO ISSUE ANY AT ALL.
JOINING US NOW IS NOBLE WRAY, A
MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> FIRST OFF, LET'S EXPLAIN WHAT
A PARDON IS AND IS NOT.
IT DOESN'T ERASE THE EXISTENCE
OF A CRIME, CORRECT?
>> NO, IT DOES NOT.
IT COMES FROM THE WORD CLEMENCY
IS.
IT IS A GOVERNOR GIVING SOMEONE
RELIEF OF THEIR SENTENCE.
SO THAT IS ERASED.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
EXPLORE TO GET ERASED.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WORK
FOR.
>> NOW, THE PARDON ADVISORY
BOARD RECEIVED MORE THAN 200
REQUESTS OFF THE TOP OF GOVERNOR
EVERS BEING ELECTED.
WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT IN
GOING THROUGH THOSE
APPLICATIONS?
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF
THINGS.
GOVERNOR EVERS HAS LAID OUT A
VERY BALANCED APPROACH AND THAT
IS LOOKING AT THE PERSON'S CRIME
THAT THEY COMMITTED, THE
SERIOUSNESS, LOOKING AT
OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE COMPLETED IT
IN A PERIOD OF TIME THAT HAS
GONE BY, ROUGHLY FIVE OR MORE
YEARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ALONG WITH THAT, WHAT THEY HAVE
DONE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU
KNOW, ARE THEY CONNECTED BACK IN
SOCIETY?
ARE THEY GOING TO SCHOOL?
WHAT ARE THEY CONTRIBUTING?
HOW ARE THINGS GOING IN THEIR
LIVES IN GENERAL, WHICH IS
REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE ALSO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S
ALSO IMPORTANT AND KEY HERE, IS
WE CAN'T FORGET THE VICTIM THAT
WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE
CRIMES THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE
CONSIDERED WHEN THE ADVISORY
BOARD IS MEETING AND
DELIBERATING WHAT
RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE GOING TO
PROVIDE TO THE GOVERNOR.
>> IN A STATEMENT, THE GOVERNOR
USED THE TERM "FORGIVENESS."
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THOSE WHO
DON'T RECEIVE A PARDON ARE NOT
FORGIVEN?
>> IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN I'M
PERSONALLY GLAD THAT THE
GOVERNOR SOUGHT THIS OUT, TO
REINSTITUTE THE PARDON BOARD.
THIS IDEA OF REDEMPTION, THAT
SOMEONE GETS A SECOND CHANCE.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT CREATES AN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE THAT
HAVE HAD A -- MADE A MISTAKE IN
THEIR LIFE, THAT THEY KNOW THAT
IF THEY GET BACK, THEY GET
CONNECTED, THEY DO A PERIOD OF
TIME WHERE THEY'RE NOT
CRIMINALLY INVOLVED, THEY'RE
PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAMILY AND
FRIENDS AND REALLY ENGAGING BACK
INTO SOCIETY, THAT THEY GET A
SECOND CHANCE.
AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND
IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE
THAT APPLY.
>> NOW, GOVERNORS USUALLY ISSUE
MOST OF THEIR PARDONS NEAR THE
END OF THEIR TIME IN OFFICE.
IS THERE A POLITICAL DANGER OR
RISK IN PARDONING SOMEONE
BECAUSE IF THEY REOFFEND THEN
THAT IMPLIES SOMETHING ABOUT THE
GOVERNOR OR THE CHOICE IN THE
FIRST PLACE?
>> THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY
THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD
HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK THAT GOVERNOR EVERS
HAS REALLY LAID OUT SOME NICE
STEPS IN THERE, SOME NICE
CONSIDERATIONS.
AND THAT IS, AGAIN, THAT PERIOD
OF TIME, HOW CONNECTED ARE THEY,
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THEIR
LIVES?
ARE THEY GOING TO SCHOOL?
ARE THEY GOING TO WORK?
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CERTAIN
INDICATIONS THAT THIS PERSON HAS
ADJUSTED BACK PROPERLY INTO
SOCIETY.
>> ONE OF THE BIGGER QUESTIONS
THAT CAME UP IN GOVERNOR EVERS'
ELECTION WAS ABOUT DRUG CRIMES
OR THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT
DIFFERENTLY TODAY THAN WE DID
WHEN SOMEONE WAS SENTENCED.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE TAKING
UNDER ADVISEMENT?
>> ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN
UNDER ADVISEMENT, THE EVOLUTION
OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH LAWS AND
CHANGES WITH LAWS HAVE REALLY
CHANGED.
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
HOW THEY LOOK AT CRACK COCAINE
AND COCAINE BASE, THAT HAS
CHANGED.
OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE WERE 10 TO 15
YEARSING AGO IN THIS COUNTRY
WITH MARIJUANA, YOU SEE THAT
EVOLUTION THAT HAS CHANGED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO,
IS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE
TIMES, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WE
MAY HAVE OVERSHOT WHAT WE DID
WITH THAT WHOLE DRUG WAR.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A
SECOND LOOK AT THAT.
>> SOME OF OUR VIEWERS MAY
REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE THE CHIEF
OF POLICE FOR THE MADISON POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
HOW DOES YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT
BACKGROUND COME INTO YOUR
CHOICES ON THIS ADVISORY BOARD?
>> I THINK IT ADDS TO THE
RICHNESS OF OUR DELIBERATION.
THERE'S A NICE MIX, A DIVERSE
MIX OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE
BOARD THAT BRING DIFFERENT
INSIGHTS, EVERYTHING FROM, YOU
KNOW, JUDGES TO, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE OF FAITH TALKING ABOUT
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE, TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUES OF VICTIMS IN
THIS WHOLE THING, THE BALANCE OF
ENSURING THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE
THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GIVEN
PARDONS, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU
KNOW, SAFETY AND PUBLIC SAFETY
IS AN ISSUE.
SO IT IS A VERY NICE MIX.
>> NOBLE WRAY, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> TURNING NOW TO INTERNATIONAL
NEWS, THE UNITED STATES IS
WATCHING AS AN ARMY FROM TURKEY
IS ATTACKING OUR ALLIES, THE
KURDS.
TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY AND
WHAT IF ANYTHING OUR
CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION CAN DO
ABOUT IT, WE'RE JOINED BY ANDREW
KYDD, PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL
SCIENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN.
WELCOME.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
AS OF LAST WEEK THE KURDS WERE
OUR ALLIES GUARDING THE REMNANTS
OF ISIS.
WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE FOR US
TO BACK UP AND LET THEM BE
BOMBED BY TURKEY?
>> WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
CRITICAL OF THAT MOVE AND THINK
IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.
THE RATIONALE FROM THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN THAT THE
PRESIDENT WANTS TO GET AMERICAN
TROOPS OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST IN
GENERAL.
HE THINKS OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE
MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN A MISTAKE.
SO HE HAS WANTED OVER THE YEARS
EVER SINCE HE STARTED IN OFFICE
TO WITHDRAW U.S. FORCES FROM THE
REGION AND IN PARTICULAR FROM
SYRIA, WHICH HE THREATENED TO DO
BACK IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR
AND NOW HAS GONE AHEAD WITH IN
THE PAST COUPLE DAYS.
>> TRADITIONALLY, CONGRESS PLAYS
A ROLE IN ACTS OF WAR AND WE
HAVE HEARD DENUNCIATIONS FROM
DEMOCRATS, A LOT OF SILENCE FROM
REPUBLICANS.
GREEN BAY REPUBLICAN MIKE
GALLAGHER WROTE THIS UNDERMINES
OUR CREDIBILITY IN THE REGION.
WHAT ROLE DOES CONGRESS HAVE TO
PLAY?
CAN THEY STOP HIM FROM DOING
ANYTHING LIKE THIS?
>> THEY PROBABLY CAN'T STOP HIM
FROM DOING IT.
WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AT
THIS POINT IS TO PASS A BILL, A
RESOLUTION AT LEAST, IMPOSING
SANCTIONS ON TURKEY FOR DOING
THIS AND TRY TO CONFRONT THE
PRESIDENT WITH HIS CHOICE OF
VETOING A BILL THAT WOULD
PROBABLY GET BIPARTISAN SUPPORT
IN THE SENATE, INCLUDING FROM
REPUBLICANS, OR NOT.
AND IF HE WERE TO SIGN IT, THEN
THE UNITED STATES WOULD BE
IMPOSING SANCTIONS ON TURKEY FOR
DOING SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAD GIVEN THEM THE GREEN
LIGHT TO DO, TO INVADE NORTHERN
SYRIA.
SO THAT WOULD POSE A DILEMMA FOR
THE PRESIDENT.
>> WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM
CONSEQUENCES OF ABANDONING AN
ALLY LIKE THE KURDS?
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
THAT THIS WILL UNDERMINE
AMERICAN CREDIBILITY, NOT JUST
IN SYRIA, BUT AROUND THE WORLD
IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL.
IF THE UNITED STATES CAN -- JUST
AS A RESULT OF A PHONE CALL WITH
A PARTICULAR LEADER REVERSE
YEARS OF POLICY IN THIS CASE,
WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING THIS
PARTICULAR KURDISH GROUP EVER
SINCE 2015 IN THE STRUGGLE
AGAINST THE ISLAMIC STATE.
IF WE SPIN ON A DIME AND ABANDON
ANYONE WHO HAS FOUGHT WITH US,
LOST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES,
THAT'S CREATING WORRIES IN OTHER
COUNTRIES AS WELL, OTHER ALLIES
WHO DEPEND ON US SUCH AS ISRAEL,
TAIWAN TO SOME EXTENT, SOUTH
KOREA ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT
AND BE REALLY SCARED IN SOME
SENSE BY THE IN CONSTANCY OF
AMERICAN POLICY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
>> ISN'T THAT TO BE EXPECTED IN
A DEMOCRACY WHERE WE CHANGE
LEADERS?
COULD THIS SHIFT AGAIN IF
THERE'S A NEW LEADER IN THE
WHITE HOUSE, CHANGE HOW WE'RE
INTERACTING WITH THESE ALLIES?
CAN WE GET THESE RELATIONSHIPS
BACK?
>> WE COULD.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD
TRUST AND IT CAN BE DESTROYED IN
A MOMENT.
SO IT MAY PROVE MORE DIFFICULT
TO RESTORE THAT TRUST IF IT IS
DAMAGED THROUGH THESE INCIDENTS.
AND OTHER COUNTRIES I THINK WILL
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE UNITED
STATES FROM NOW ON AND WONDER
WHAT IS THE SORT OF RANGE OF
AMERICAN POLICY GOING TO BE.
PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A CERTAIN
CONSENSUS ABOUT CERTAIN
COMMITMENT ON THE PART OF THE
UNITED STATES, CERTAINLY TO
ISRAEL, TO SOUTH KOREA, AND THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN REALLY
QUESTIONING THOSE COMMITMENTS
AND COMPLAINING THAT THE
EUROPEANS ARE FREE RIDING OFF OF
US AND GENERALLY SEEMS TO HAVE A
PRETTY STRONG ANTIAPPLIANCE
POINT OF VIEW.
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE BECOME
DOMINANT, THAT'S A BIG SHIFT.
>> ANDREW KYDD, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> MY PLEASURE.
THANKS.
>> NOW FOR AN UPDATE ON STORIES
WE'VE BEEN COVERING OVER THE
PAST FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS.
>> IT TOOK TEN MONTHS, BUT THE
REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED STATE
SENATE CONFIRMED THE FIRST OF
GOVERNOR EVERS' CABINET MEMBERS
THIS WEEK.
THE FIRST FIVE CONFIRMED
SECRETARIES INCLUDE REVENUE
SECRETARY PETER BARCA, FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS SECRETARY KATHY
BLUMENFELD, ADMINISTRATION
SECRETARY JOEL BRENNAN,
CORRECTIONS SECRETARY KEVIN CARR
AND VETERAN AFFAIRS SECRETARY
MARY KOLAR.
THE SENATE HAS YET TO CONFIRM 11
OF EVERS' DES DESIGNEES.
IN OTHER STATE NEWS, A REPORT
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL
RESOURCES FOUND HIGH LEVELS OF
UNSAFE CHEMICALS KNOWN AS PFAS
IN MADISON'S STARKWEATHER CREEK.
THE HIGHEST LEVELS REACHED 13
TIMES THE RECOMMENDED STANDARD.
ONE KNOWN SOURCE OF THE
CHEMICALS ARE FIREFIGHTING FOAMS
USED ON THE TRUAX FIELD NATIONAL
GUARD AIRBASE NEAR THE CREEK.
THE DNR IS WORKING WITH LOCAL
PARTNERS TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST
THE CONTAMINATION.
SPEAKING OF TRUAX FIELD, THE
STATE SENATE PASSED A RESOLUTION
IN SUPPORT OF BRINGING NEW P35
FIGHTER JETS TO MADISON.
SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE RAISED
CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF
NOISE ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
OTHERS BELIEVE THE JETS ARE AN
ECONOMIC ASSET TO MADISON.
A LOOK AHEAD TO NEXT WEEK, WHEN
MARISA WOJCIK REPORTS FROM A
NORTHWEST WISCONSIN COMMUNITY AT
ODDS OVER A PROPOSED 26,000-HEAD
HOG FARM.
SOMEWHAT SOME SEE AS PROMISING
GROWTH FOR THE AREA OTHERS SEE
AS A POTENTIAL POLLUTER.
I'M ZAC SCHULTZ.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.