I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON HERE AND NOW.
WHISTLE BLOWERS AND IMPEACHMENT.
WE GET THE LATEST WASHINGTON
NEWS FROM
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DEBATE OVER
EFFORTS TO LAND F-35 JETS IN
MADISON.
AND OUR POLITICAL PANEL PROVIDES
AN INSIDE LOOK AT THE WILD WEEK
IN WASHINGTON.
IT'S HERE AND NOW FOR SEPTEMBER
27.
FUNDING FOR HERE AND NOW IS
FUNDED BY FRIENDS OF WISCONSIN
PUBLIC TELEVISION.
A FIRST LOOK TONIGHT AT
WASHINGTON IN DISARRAY.
DEMOCRATS EXCORIATING PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP OVER WHAT THEY CALL
DAMNING ALLEGATIONS OF USING HIS
POWER TO SOLICIT INTERFERENCE IN
THE 2020 U.S. ELECTION.
ALLEGATIONS IN A WHISTLE-BLOWER
COMPLAINT ALLEGE THE PRESIDENT
PRESSURED UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT TO
INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN'S SON,
USING U.S. AID TO UKRAINE AS
LEVERAGE.
THE COMPLAINT ALSO ALLEGES AN
ATTEMPTED WHITE HOUSE COVER-UP.
ON THE FLIP SIDE: REPUBLICANS
CALL IT A HOAX, FAKE NEWS AND A
CHARADE PERPETRATED BY DEMOCRATS
STILL ANGRY OVER DONALD TRUMP'S
ELECTION.
WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN, BUT FIRST,
A CHECK IN WITH ONE MEMBER OF
WISCONSIN'S CONGRESSIONAL
DELEGATION:
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE MARK POCAN,
DEMOCRAT FROM THE 2ND DISTRICT.
HE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO.
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE
PHONE CALL TRANSCRIPT AND THE
WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT?
>> IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF A BOMB
SHELL.
WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE
MUELLER REPORT ABOUT ANOTHER
FOREIGN COUNTRY TRYING TO GET
INVOLVED IN OUR ELECTIONS AND
THE PRESIDENT DENYING
ALLEGATIONS.
IN THIS CASE, HE'S ESSENTIALLY
CONFESSING.
HE SAID HE ASKED THEM TO DO A
PERSONAL FAVOR OF INVESTIGATING
A POLITICAL OPPONENT'S FAMILY
AND BLOCKED FUNDING TO GO TO THE
SAME COUNTRY AND WE HAVE THE
WHISTLE BLOWER REPORT.
THIS CUTS OUT THE MIDDLE MAN
BECAUSE HE'S ESSENTIALLY
CONFESSED TO IT.
THAT'S WHY THE REACTION HAS BEEN
SO STRONG FROM THE PUBLIC AND
CONGRESS.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD
HAPPEN NOW?
WE HAVE TO DO THE PROPER
CONFERENCE.
THE WHISTLE BLOWER, HE OR SHE
WILL COME IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT
THEY WROTE IN THE REPORT, WHICH
IS A VERY STRONG REPORT AND ANY
OTHER WITNESSES THAT MAY BE
INVOLVED WILL BE BROUGHT THERE.
IF THE WHITE HOUSE TRIES TO PLAY
THE SAME GAME NOT LETTING
WITNESSES COME TO CONGRESS.
THE SMOKING GUN'S NAME IS DONALD
TRUMP AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD
EXPEDITIOUSLY.
>> WHAT STANDS OUT MOST TO YOU
IN THE WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT?
>> JUST THE BRAZENNESS FROM THE
CALL.
HE'S ASKING FOR A PERSONAL
FAVOR, HE BROUGHT IT UP A FEW
TIMES ABOUT GOING AFTER THE VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SON.
GETTING INFORMATION.
HE BROUGHT UP A WEIRD EXPERIENCE
THEORY ABOUT SOMEHOW HOW UKRAINE
AND NOT RUSSIA INTERJECTED IN
OUR ELECTIONS AND WE KNOW HE
TRIED TO HOLDUP AID TO THE
COUNTRY.
WHEN YOU HEAR THE WHISTLE BLOWER
REPORT, RUDY GIULIANI, THIS
WHOLE THING IS A MESS AND REALLY
SHORT OF PUTTING I DID IT TATTOO
ON YOUR FOREHEAD, THE PRESIDENT
HAS CLEARLY EXPLAINED WHAT HE'S
DONE AND I THINK THAT CLEARLY IS
A VIOLATION OF HIS OATH OF
OFFICE.
>> THE RANKING REPUBLICAN ON THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CALLS
THIS PROCESS A GROTESQUE,
SPECTACLE AND A HOST.
TO RE-LITIGATE RESULTS OF THE
2016 ELECTION, WHAT IS YOUR
RESPONSE TO THAT.
>> THEY TRY TO SPIN AND THEY
JUST LOOK DIZZY AND IT'S NOT
MAKING SENSE.
THE PUBLIC IS WAY SMARTER THAN
POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON.
HE ASKED FOR THIS LEADER OF A
FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS.
THIS IS REALLY IN MANY WAYS WHAT
THE MUELLER REPORT WAS ABOUT AND
NOW HE'S FESSING UP TO IT.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOB AND MAKE
SURE WE HOLD THE WHITE HOUSE
ACCOUNTABLE.
>> WHY WOULD THE PRESIDENT
HIMSELF RELEASE THE CALL
TRANSCRIPT AND THE COMPLAINT IF
HE WERE WORRIED ABOUT
>> BECAUSE I DON'T TRY TO FIGURE
ANYTHING THIS WHITE HOUSE DOES.
NOTHING SEEMS RATIONAL.
YOU GET THE TWEETS WHEN YOU DO.
THAT'S HOW WE GET THE
INFORMATION FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE.
THERE WAS A CONTROVERSY WHETHER
TO RELIEF IT.
THIS WAS PUT IN A SPECIAL SAFE
FOR HIGHLY CLASSIFIED.
INSTEAD, THIS WAS POLITICAL
STUFF HE DID THAT IS A VIOLATION
OF OFFICE.
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE WE'RE GOING
TO FIND OUT.
JUST THE INFORMATION WE HAVE
THIS WEEK IS REALLY DAMMING FOR
THE PRESIDENT
>> IN TERMS OF THE SECRET
PLACE, ACCORDING TO WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIALS, THIS IS IN THE
WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT.
THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME
UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION
SOMETHING HAD BEEN PLACED INTO
THE CODE LEVEL AREA.
PROTECTING POLITICALLY SENSITIVE
CONCERN.
HOW CONCERNING IS THAT?
>> MANY OF US REMEMBER WHEN
PRESIDENT NIXON WAS PRESIDENT.
THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT DOES
IT SO BRAZENLY AND A DAY AFTER
MR. MUELLER TESTIFIED ON
CONGRESS AND DIDN'T DELIVER A
BROADWAY PLAY PERFORMANCE.
THE PRESIDENT THOUGHT HE COULD
GET AWAY WITH MORE.
THIS TIME HIS BRAZENNESS WENT
TOO FAR AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
CAN SEE THE FACT OF WHAT'S GOING
ON WHAT I THINK MANY OF US HAS
KNOWN HAS BEEN GOING ON.
>> REPRESENTATIVE, MARK POCAN
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> GLEN GROWTH MAN PROVIDED A
STATEMENT SAYING A BROAD
DISCUSSION WITH THE UKRAINE
PRESIDENT IS IMPORTANT.
I DO THINK HE SAYS THERE ARE
LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS TO BE
RAISED AS TO WHY HUNTER BIDEN
WAS EMPLOYED BY A UKRAINIAN
OWNED COMPANY AT THE SAME TIME
HIS FATHER OVER SAW UKRAINIAN
RELATIONS WITH OBAMA.
>> OUR NEXT GUEST HAS BEEN
TEACHING HIS POLITICAL SCIENCE
STUDENTS THIS WEEK ABOUT THE
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.
DAVID CANNON IS HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHAT STOOD OUT
TO IN THIS WHISTLE BLOWER
COMPLAINT?
>> WE HEARD THE PHONE CALL AND
THE DETAILS OF THE TRANSCRIPT
AND ONE THING THAT BROKE OUT TO
ME WAS THE COVER UP ANGLE.
THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE
RIGHT AFTER THE CONVERSATION
WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
CONTENT OF THAT PHONE CALL.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY PUT IT INTO
LOCK DOWN MODE ON THIS SERVER
THAT WAS PASSWORD PROTECTED THAT
ONLY TOP-LEVEL PEOPLE HAD ACCESS
TO.
THAT WAS A STRONG INDICATION
THEY KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING
PROBLEMATIC IN THE PHONE CALL.
CALLING IT A COVER UP IS
BASICALLY ACCURATE IN TERMS OF
HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH THIS.
>> IS WHAT IS HAPPENING
UNPRECEDENTED.
>> IT REALLY IS.
A PRESIDENT ASKING A FOREIGN
COUNTRY TO DIG UP DIRT ON A
RIVAL.
BASICALLY USING THE POWER OF THE
PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND
POTENTIALLY UNDERMINING FOREIGN
POLICY AND SECURITY BY WITH
HOLDING $400 MILLION IN AID TO A
CRITICAL COUNTRY WHILE THIS
WHOLE PROCESS UNFOLDS IN TERMS
OF WILL UKRAINE DO HIS BIDDING
AND DO THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT
HE'S ASKING FOR IN THIS PHONE
CALL.
THAT REALLY IS UNPRECEDENTED.
>> CAN IT NO, THOUGH, BE
DESCRIBED AS THE PRESIDENT
DESCRIBES IT AS A WITCH HUNT?
I DON'T THINK SO, BASED ON THE
FACTS WE KNOW ALREADY AND THE
FACTS THE PRESIDENT ADMITTED TO,
HE DID BRING UP VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN IN THIS
PHONE CALL, THAT I THINK IS
UNCONTESTED IN TERMS OF THE
FACTS HOW PEOPLE DIFFER, IS
WHETHER OR NOT THERE NEEDS TO BE
AN EXPLICIT QUID PRO QUO AND
HELP YOU OUT.
OR IS JUST THE ASKING ENOUGH?
YOU DO GET DIFFERENCES OF
OPINION THERE.
WHERE AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING
WITHOUT THE EVIDENCE OF QUID PRO
QUO BUT ASKING IS ENOUGH.
ONE THING THAT I THINK REALLY
HAS COME OUT IN LAST 24 HOURS IS
THE CIA OPERATIVE, SOMEONE WHO
HAS INSIDE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
UKRAINE HAS INSIDE INFORMATION
AND POLICY IN THE AREA.
IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO
BRING UP IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS
THIS ALL FIRST HAND INFORMATION?
I WASN'T ON THE PHONE CALLS BUT
FROM OTHER THINGS I HEARD FROM
PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED.
GIVEN THE PERSON'S POSITION AS
THE CENTER OF DIGESTING ALL OF
THE CRITICAL INFORMATION FROM
THAT REGION, IT REALLY IS VERY
WELL SITUATED FOR MAKING THIS
WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THE STRATEGIC
QUESTIONS INVOLVED.
>> IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, YOU
HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTING YOUR
POLY-SCI STUDENTS ON
IMPEACHMENT.
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE THE WORD
IMPEACHMENT AS REMOVAL OF
OFFICE.
IT'S A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
THE FIRST IS THE HOUSE
IMPEACHING WITH A MAJORITY VOTE.
THAT'S THE CHARGES AGAINST THE
PERSON AND THE TRIAL GOES TO THE
SENATE.
THAT'S WHERE BY A TWO-THIRDS
VOTE THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE
REMOVED IF CONVICTED.
BILL CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED BUT
NOT REMOVED.
HE MAY BE IMPEACHED BUT NOT
REMOVED IF REPUBLICANS DON'T GET
ON BOARD.
YOU NEED 20 REPUBLICANS TO VOTE
FOR CONVICTION IN ORDER TO
REMOVE THE PRESIDENT.
THAT'S THE FIRST POINT.
THE SECOND IS WHAT IT TAKES TO
GET IMPEACHMENT CHARGE AND THE
CONSTITUTION IS VERY SPARSE IN
ITS LANGUAGE.
BRIBERY AND MISDEMEANORS.
IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT A GIVEN
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SAYS IT
IS AT A GIVEN POINT IN TIME.
THERE'S NO CRIME THAT HAS TO BE
INVOLVED.
IT'S JUST IF THERE IS A
VIOLATION OF PUBLIC TRUST.
DAVID CANNON.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
IN TONIGHT'S CLOSER LOOK, THE
U.S. AIR FORCE IS DECIDING
WHETHER TO DECIDE MADISON'S
TRUAX LOCATION.
IT'S ONE TO THE 115TH FIGHTER
WING AND THE CURRENT COMPLEMENT
OF F-16S.
FOUR OTHER AREAS ARE IN THE
RUNNING ARE FOR 18, F-16
FIGHTERS.
THE AIR FORCE IS RUNNING INTO
CONTROVERSY BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
THAT FOUNDED THE CHANGE IN THE
NOISE ENVIRONMENT ASSOCIATED
WITH THE F-35S WOULD BE
CONSIDERED "SIGNIFICANT IN THE
AREA SURROUNDING THE AIR FIELD
AND THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT
DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS TO LOW
INCOME AND MINORITY POPULATIONS
AS WELL AS CHILDREN.
BUT SUPPORTERS OF LOCATING THE
F-35S SAY THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF
HAVING THEM HERE WOULD BE
SIGNIFICANT TOO.
AND THE BASE COULD CLOSE WHEN
ITS AGING FLEET OF F-16S RETIRE.
THIS WEEK THE AIR FORCE
ANNOUNCED IT WOULD EXTEND PUBLIC
COMMENT FOR 30 MORE DAYS.
WE HEAR NOW FROM BOTH SIDES OF
THE DEBATE, CHRIS AERNS AND
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
>> FIRST TO YOU, CHRIS, WHAT IS
YOUR OPINION?
>> THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS
$100 MILLION.
SUPPORTING 1200 JOBS AND THE
F-35 WOULD SECURE THAT MISSION
FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 40 YEARS.
ABSENT OF THIS MISSION, I CAN
TELL YOU FIRST HAND HAVING
THROWN THE CURRENT F-16S, THEIR
SHELF LIFE IS COMING TO AN END.
IF WE DON'T GET A NEW MISSION
SUCH AS THE F-35, THAT PUTS THE
BASE IN JEOPARDY OF CLOSURE.
>> AND REPRESENTATIVE TAYLOR,
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
>> THE AIR FORCE PUT OUT 2200
INDIVIDUALS AND 1000 RESIDENCES
ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THESE
ARE VERY LOUD JETS.
THIS IS, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY
LOUDER AND THAT'S WHAT THE AIR
FORCE SAID.
THEY WILL RUN APPROXIMATELY 2300
ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS AND WE
KNOW THE AIR FORCE IS ALSO
TELLING US THIS HAS A DISPARATE
IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
AND CHILDREN.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT RACIAL INEQUITIES.
WE ALREADY KNOW SCHOOLS ARE
RIGHT AROUND THIS ZONE OF NOISE.
WE KNOW THE AIR FORCE IS TELLING
US KIDS ARE IMPACTED BY THIS
TYPE OF NOISE.
NO ONE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL
STATEMENT DOES IT SAY TRUAX WILL
CLOSE.
THEIR OWN ANALYSIS SAY
OPERATIONS WILL CONTINUE.
THEY POINT TO A NEGLIGIBLE
IMPACT.
>> WE WILL GET 6400 JOBS.
WHAT ABOUT THIS WHOLE CONCERN IS
THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
STATEMENT THAT DID SAY THAT THE
NOISE WOULD CAUSE SIGNIFICANT
ISSUES?
>> WE BELIEVE THAT THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT
IS OVERSTATING THE NUMBER OF
OPERATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO
OCCUR.
IT EVEN SAYS THIS IS A MAXIMUM
POTENTIAL IMPACT.
WORSE CASE SCENARIO.
AS AN OPERATOR, I CAN BREAK DOWN
ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS, THE 6200
OPERATIONS.
PART OF THAT ASSUMPTION IS ALL
FLIGHTS WILL FLIGHT OUT OF
MADISON.
IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
IN FACT RIGHT NOW, OUR F-16S ARE
DEPLOYED TO AFGHANISTAN AND WILL
REDUCE 20% OFF THE BAT.
WE ASKED OUR INPUT TO THE
COMMENTARY TO GIVE US A MOST
LIKELY SCENARIO.
I THINK WITH OVERSTATING THE
NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN THERE, I
AGREE, IT DOES WORRY I THINK
UNDULY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE NEED A BETTER IDEA OF THE
NOISE.
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE
OF AFTERBURNERS?
THEY TAKE OFF AND IT'S THIS
SUPER POWERED BURNER AND THAT'S
EVEN LOUDER.
IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> THAT IS.
CURRENT OPERATIONS WITH THE F-16
USE 60% OF THE TIME.
THAT INCREASES THEIR SPEED FOR
TAKE OFF.
THAT'S REALLY DUE TO WEATHER
CONDITIONS, ESSENTIALLY THE
HOTTER IT IS, THE MORE THEY HAVE
TO USE IT.
WITH THE F-35S, IT HAS A MORE
POWERFUL ENGINE AND ONLY
REQUIRES 5% FOR AFTER BURNER
TAKE OFF.
>> WHEN CHRIS ARENZ SAYS THESE
PLANES WON'T BE OPERATING AT
THAT LEVEL, WHAT ABOUT THAT?
DOES THAT SOFTEN THE BLOW FOR
YOU?
>> NO.
THE AIR FORCE WAS JUST ASKED
THIS QUESTION AND HE WAS ASKED,
IS THIS SIMILAR TO CURRENT
OPERATIONS AND THEY CAME BACK TO
SAY THIS IS THE NUMBER OF
OPERATIONS.
THEY DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF
OPERATIONS.
THEY HAVE REAFFIRMED THE NUMBER
OF OPERATIONS PREDICTED ARE AS
WHAT THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE.
>> NOW IN TERMS OF THE NOISE
LEVELS, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, OR
NEIGHBORHOODS, AREN'T THEY
ALREADY AFFECTED BY TRUAX AND
THE F-16S.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THESE JETS ARE NOT A LITTLE BIT
NOISIER BUT MORE.
IT'S ESTIMATED IT'S AT 10
DECIBEL INCREASE.
TO THE HUMAN EAR, THAT'S TWICE
AS LOUD.
>> HOW LOUD IS IT?
WHAT IS YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU
SUGGEST PEOPLE IN SCHOOLS AND
CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES, WHAT
ARE THEY GOING TO HEAR?
>> IN MY DISTRICT, CARP PENTER
RIDGE WAY.
THE PEEK TO GET TO 114 DECIBELS.
THAT'S A ROCK CONCERT.
HAWTHORNE SCHOOL HAS 68% OF THE
KIDS ARE LOW INCOME.
74% ARE KIDS ARE COLOR.
THEY ALREADY DO HEAR NOISE.
I HAVE HEARD THAT FROM THE
TEACHERS.
THIS TYPE OF JET IS GOING TO FLY
OVER THEIR SCHOOL.
THEY DON'T HAVE AIR
CONDITIONING.
YOU CAN'T MITIGATE A PLAY GROUND
AND THE AIR FORCE'S OWN STUDY
SAYS CHILDREN CAN BE ADVERSELY
AFFECTED BY AIRPORT NOISE.
IT DECREASES THEIR READING.
>> HOW MUCH DOES THAT RESONATE
WITH SUPPORTERS BRINGING IN THE
F-35S IN HERE?
>> ABSOLUTELY, WHAT I WANT TO
RETURN TO.
WE'RE NOT DISPUTING THE NUMBER
OF OPERATIONS BUT SAYING THOSE
OPERATIONS WON'T OCCUR HERE IN
MADISON.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT IMPACT
THAT IS SHOWN IN THE NOISE
CONTOURS WHICH IS A DIRECT
RELATION TO HOW MANY IS
INACCURATE AND IS MUCH SMALLER.
SO WHAT WE SAY IS, WE DO NOT
THINK IT WILL HAVE THE IMPACT
THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
SAYS.
>> REPRESENTATIVE TAYLOR DOESN'T
BELIEVE IT'S ACCURATE.
IF THE F-35S DON'T COME HERE,
THAT AIR FIELD WOULD CLOSE.
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE
CONCLUSION THAT WILL HAPPEN.
IN FACT IT'S BEEN STATED BY
FORMER SECRETARY OF THE AIR
FORCE, WILSON IN REGARD TO
BURLINGTON, VERMONT IF THE
MISSION DIDN'T COME THERE, THEY
WOULD LOSE THE BASE.
>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER
FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
CHRIS AERNZ AND REPRESENTATIVE
TAYLOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WE RETURN TO BILL MCCOSHEN
AND SCOTT ROSS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU EACH
RIGHT OFF THE TOP, THE OPINION
OF THE WHISTLE BLOWER COMPLAINT?
>> IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE MUELLER
REPORT.
THAT WAS JAMES COMEY WHO WANTED
TO CREATE A SPECIAL COUNCIL.
THIS WHISTLE BLOWER DIDN'T SIT
IN THE ROOM OR READ THE
TRANSCRIPT OR HAVE FIRST-HAND
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS SAID OR
DONE.
THIS WAS ALL HEARSAY AND THAT
ALL LED TO A BIG NATIONAL STORY.
THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, NANCY
PELOSI FINALLY SAYS THEY'RE
GOING TO OPEN AN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY BEFORE SHE READ THE
TRANSCRIPT OR THE WHISTLE
BLOWER.
>> THE PRESIDENT SOLICITED A
FOREIGN CURRENT TO INTERFERE IN
OUR 2020 ELECTIONS AND UTILIZED
THE PROMISE OF A MEETING AND
FINANCIAL AID IN ORDER TO DO
THAT.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY ONE OF MOST, THE
GROSSEST APPALLING DISPLAYS OF
LAWLESSNESS WE HAVE SEEN COME
OUT OF POLITICS OR GOVERNMENT.
THE FACT IS, I APPRECIATE WHERE
BILL IS COMING FROM.
HE'S GOT THE TALKING POINTS.
THE FACT IS --
>> I'M GOT THE FACTS.
>> THE FACT IS, THE WHISTLE
BLOWER CAME FORWARD.
SPOKE TO THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE'S INSPECT GENERAL, THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL SAYS THIS IS
CREDIBLE.
DID THE INVESTIGATION AND CAME
BACK WITH THAT.
IT'S NOT SIMPLY A HE SAID SHE
SAID.
HE HAD DIRECT AND INDIRECT
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
CORROBORATED BY NUMEROUS
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND I THINK
THE CASE IS INCREDIBLY STRONG
AND WE'RE SEEING IT BECAUSE THE
PRESIDENT IS REACTING HARSHLY.
>> I THINK THIS IS THE FLIMSIEST
EVIDENCE FOR IMPEACHMENT.
THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY FORM AN
IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE.
IT GIVES THEM THINGS THE
PRESIDENT COULDN'T BLOCK WITH
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.
THE REASON IS, ALL POLITICS
AGAIN.
NANCY PELOSI DID NOT WANT THOSE
35 DEMOCRATS WHO WON SEAT WON BY
DONALD TRUMP IN 2016, THESE WON
THE SEATS IN 2018, WHICH HELPED
DEMOCRATS TAKE THE HOUSE.
RON IS ON THAT LIST.
>> THERE IS 12 DEMOCRATS THAT
HAVEN'T FORMALLY SAID I THINK HE
SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.
THEY ARE TIRED OF THE
RECKLESSNESS.
O.J.'S BOOK WAS IF I DID IT.
TRUMP WAS WHEN I DID IT.
>> HE GAVE UP THE TRANSCRIPT.
I READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
IT IS, THERE'S NO THERE.
IT'S THE FLIMSIEST EVIDENCE IN
HISTORY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SO SPEAKING OF THIS, DOES THIS
TRICKLE DOWN TO THE SEVENTH
CONGRESSIONAL RACE WE'RE ABOUT
TO EMBARK UPON?
DO YOU THINK IT DOES?
>> IF IT DOES, IT'S A POSITIVE
WAY.
THAT'S TRUMP COUNTRY.
DONALD TRUMP DID BETTER IN THE
SEVENTH DISTRICT.
THE MOST RECENT MARQUETTE POLLS
SHOW HIM.
I EXPECT TOM TIFFANY AND JASON
CHURCH TO BE STRONG WANTERS OF
TRUMP AND THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS
WILL TURN OUT ON DECEMBER 30TH
>> WHO DO YOU THINK ABOUT
VOTERS IN THAT DISTRICT?
>> COUPLE THINGS.
FOR ONE, FOR 40 YEARS, THE MAPS
WERE RIGGED IN THAT PLACE.
THAT WAS SOLID PROGRESS COUNTRY.
THE FACT IS THAT TOM TIFFANY HAS
BEEN A NONSTOP ADVOCATE FOR
POLICIES THAT ARE HURTING THE
PEOPLE OF THE SEVENTH CD AND
BOTH OF THEM ARE GOING TO THE,
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
OUT-TRUMP EACH OTHER.
>> HE IS A SAFE BET IN THE
SEVENTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT
AND THE DULUTH DISTRICT.
HE TURNED THAT REPUBLICAN.
MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, THAT WAS AS
DEMOCRATIC AS A GOD.
>> THE DATE FOR PRIMARY WAS
ASKED TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE
GOVERNOR EVERS SET IT FOR
HANUKKAH.
>> LET ME SAY THIS, THE IDEA
THAT ROBIN VOSS IS NOW PIOUS IN
TERMS OF RELIGION WHEN WE'RE
THINKING ABOUT, SORRY WHEN WE
THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THIS
ELECTION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THE
GOVERNOR EVERS WANTS THE
ELECTION TO HAPPEN AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PUT
DEMOCRACY IN THE HANDS OF
VOTERS.
THE FACT IS THE LEGISLATURE IS
SCHEDULED TO BE IN SESSION ON
THE TWO ACTUAL HIGHEST HOLIDAYS
FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
ROSH HASHANAH AND YOM KIPPUR.
>> I DON'T AGREE WITH THE
GOVERNOR'S DATES HERE.
HE MADE A POLITICAL CALCULATION
ON DECEMBER 30TH.
HAD HE WAITED AND CALLED THAT
PRIMARY IN MOVED IT INTO NEXT
CALENDAR YEAR, IT WOULD HAVE HAD
TO HAVE LINED UP WITH THE
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND
GENERAL.
IN FEBRUARY AND APRIL WHEN
CLERKS ARE WORKING ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK VOSS' POINT IS THE
RIGHT ONE TO MAKE.
THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE MADE A
CONSCIOUS DECISION TO HAVE THE
PRIMARY IN DECEMBER SO THE DATES
DIDN'T HAVE TO LINE UP WITH THE
SUPREME COURT AND PRESIDENTIAL
PRIMARY IN APRIL.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THAT'S ALL FOR TONIGHT'S
PROGRAM.
NEXT WEEK, ZACH SCHULTZ TELLS
THE STARTY OF ONE MILWAUKEE
FAMILY'S ON GOING RECOVERY FROM
GUN VIOLENCE.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GREAT EVENING.