2NEXP0000HDPL_REV20200919_Transcript.rtf

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- The following program is a PBS Wisconsin original production. 
[studio garage door whirring]
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- Mary Mulari: I don't think that Nancy, at age two or three, stood in front of a mirror with something pretending to be a microphone. I don't believe she envisioned herself that way at all. But it developed that way and very successfully developed that way. 

- Nancy: I'm Nancy Zieman, and welcome to Sewing With Nancy.

- Eileen Roche: People would not ever expect her to be the television personality for 35 years that she was.

- Ben White: She always saw herself as a teacher, and public television was that avenue to be the classroom in your own home. 

- Nancy: Obviously, I'm not symmetrical.

- Tom Zieman: She never let the paralysis in her face define who she was.

- Kathy Gittus: That was the least of who she was. What she really was, was a great educator, had a passion for sewing, and was able to relate that to people. What she really was was just who you saw on TV.

- Nancy: You just need to practice. Have fun and be an artist.

- Laurie Gorman: She was trying to encourage people. She was trying to give them confidence.

- Eileen Roche: You could learn an awful lot from Nancy Zieman about many things. 

- Marjorie Russell: She was a teacher.

- Nancy: You did it all with your sewing machine.

- Marjorie Russell: And she showed us how it could be done.

- Nancy: That's what's coming up next on Sewing With Nancy. 
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- Funding for Nancy Zieman: Extraordinary Grace is provided by John W. and Lenore L. Landry Endowment Fund, Eleanor and Thomas Wildrick Family, Stanley J. Cottrill Fund, Diane Dempsey, Elizabeth Olson, Ruth Ann Potts, Focus Fund for Wisconsin Programming, and Friends of PBS Wisconsin. 

[cassette player clicking]
[cassette player rolling]
- Nancy: I was more determined to make something of myself, to show people that I could. Not because I was a woman, but because I was a woman who had physical limitations. I wanted to prove that I was beyond that. 
[cassette recorder clicks off] 
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- Marjorie Russell: There's a creativity in each one of us that we need to foster. And for many women, it came out in sewing. The sewing world has changed tremendously in the last 40 years.

- Deanna Springer: The sewing industry has really changed from a necessity in the '50s and '60s of garment sewing into more of a hobby and an art form. 
[sewing machine stitching]

- Russell: It's been just an interest in expressing ourselves through the creativity of our hands. 
[scissors snipping]

- Nancy: I have to take it out.

- Russell: Nancy Zieman started the Sewing With Nancy TV show in 1982.

- Nancy: Welcome to another program of Sewing With Nancy, Today...

- Kathy Gittus: There was nothing like this on TV. It was a brand-new thing, you know. Something that nobody had ever tried to do before.

- Marjorie Russell: Entire channels are devoted to do-it-yourself projects now. Nancy was a forerunner for that.

- Nancy: When working with thread, choose one shade darker than the fashion fabric. That's right, one shade darker.

- Eileen Roche: I looked at Sewing With Nancy as Julia Child was for cooking. I mean, she really ignited sewing across the nation. 
[sewing machine chugging]

- Viewer: I loved Sewing With Nancy. Nancy inspired me to do more.

- Viewer: She's always had the ability to make you think you could do it too. 

- Viewer: All you have to do is sit down and watch her, and you learn how to sew. 

- Nancy: Today, we have an exciting program. It's time to discover the joy of sewing and quilting. That's what's next on Sewing With Nancy. 

[sewing machine stitching]

- Nancy: We start the A-to-Z sewing process by working with one of the simplest of all techniques.

- Ben White: Sewing With Nancy was a how-to educational sewing show that aired on public television from coast to coast, border to border. By the time it was done, we finished with over 900 episodes.

- Nancy: And you pin the section together, that 7-inch section.

- Laurie Gorman: Sewing With Nancy was a project-based show. Nancy would take a project, show you what it would become in the end, and then take you step-by-step through the process of creating that.

- Nancy: And then, just line these two up, five inches down.

- Ben White: The show was very simplistic. We didn't use flashy graphics. We didn't use all these effects.

- Eileen Roche: It wasn't sexy. You know, it didn't have to have lots of glitz and shine. It let her really teach methodically and explain to the viewers how to do it.

- Laurie Gorman: She gave you the confidence to feel like, "Well, if Nancy can do that, I can do that too."

- Nancy: It isn't difficult. We'll take a logical, simplified approach. A little practice, so it's kind of fun to do.

- Laurie Gorman: I think the reason she was so popular for so many years was because she was like a familiar friend.

- Ted Zieman: My mom, she didn't try to be somebody different. She is who she was on TV. 

- Marjorie Russell: She was a friendly, welcoming person, like the girl next door.

- Tom Zieman: People saw her as a really down to earth, realistic person that they enjoyed, quite literally, inviting into their homes. They were able to more closely relate to my mom because she wasn't this picturesque, perfect figure on TV telling you how to make something. 

- Rich Zieman: People enjoyed watching it. She didn't try to be flamboyant. She didn't try to be anybody other than who she was. 

- Nancy: You know that the inside is equally as important as what's on the outside. One of the main foundations we have... 

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: Well, she was really, really pretty little girl. She had pretty hair and those beautiful big eyes. 

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And the Bell's palsy struck when Nancy was only 14 months. One morning, woke up, she woke up, and there it was. § [somber piano music]
 
§ And that was hard. She had to carry on always, you know. Ah... People would say, even in front of her, "Oh, isn't that too bad," you know. That... hurt. 

[cassette tape rolling]

- Nancy: The question that you most want to ask me has nothing to do with sewing or quilting. It has to do about my face. What you first see is not really what you get, or your first impression is not really who I am. 

[cassette recorder clicks off] 
[crowd laughing]

- Marjorie Russell: Of course, Bell's palsy was a big concern of Nancy's because she didn't see herself as television material. She saw herself as having a crooked face that people might look at and see first before they saw who she was.

- Gina Crispell: To think that she ended up doing a TV show with a paralysis of her face is really ironic. But I also think that that's why people gravitated to her. I think it just made her more human.

- Kathy Gittus: And there were, obviously, lots of trials that she had to go through. But it didn't make her bitter. It just made her stronger.

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy developed grit that was beyond what most people ever see.

- Kathy Gittus: It made her say, "You know, I think I can do about anything." And... she did. She did! 
[studio audience applauding]
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[tape recorder playing]
- Nancy: Bell's palsy, probably is the most significant shaper in my life. There were times in my life that my face just... I get humbled easily by seeing a picture or seeing that look that people give me and... 
[inhales sharply]
um, it's... I wish I didn't have this. But in all things, give thanks. Not for all things, but in all things. 
[birds chirping]

- Gina Crispell: Nancy grew up on a dairy farm in Wisconsin, handed down generation to generation.

- Marjorie Russell: There were three families that lived off the Luedtke farm: Nancy's family, Nancy's grandfather, and Nancy's uncle's family.

- Gina Crispell: She was my sister, first and foremost. 
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Nancy was the oldest. I have a brother, John, and a brother, Dean. And then, 18 years after Nancy, I came along. Even with the age difference, family was everything. That's what you are on a farm. 
[birds chirping]

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy grew up in that rural environment where everything revolved around farming. And after farming, everything revolved around church.

- Gina Crispell: We all went to a tiny little church in the country. Absolutely quintessential country church, which you would imagine. Small, little, white, with a steeple in the middle of nowhere.

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: Going to Sunday school, going to church, that was every Sunday. That was just part of life. 

[cassette playing]
- Nancy: In my childhood, your family and your church was it. It is my foundation. But school was... Oh, boy. 
[Nancy exhales]

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- Marjorie Russell: In addition to Bell's palsy, when Nancy was in middle school, she developed problems with her knees. And she had multiple surgeries on her knees. And it was just one thing after another in middle school and high school, both. She was struggling physically, and she was struggling emotionally as well.

- Luedtke Eckstein: She would walk the hallways with her, you know, her books like this and her head down. So it was, it was tough.

- Gina Crispell: My parents hurt for her. I mean, when you have a child with a disability, your heart breaks for them, especially when it's physical, and you're getting teased about it. But there wasn't... there wasn't a pity party for her at all. It was just, get her involved in things that she enjoyed so... And she did.

- Marjorie Russell: She kept on going and I think 4-H was the catalyst that helped her keep on going. 

[cassette playing]

- Nancy: Winchester 4-H Club, it was huge! It was huge to me. My mother was one of the 4-H leaders. I owe, you know, a tremendous amount to her. To my mother's credit, she pushed me, in a nurturing way, in a loving way. 1963, girls took sewing and cooking and home furnishings, and you learned so much.

- Marjorie Russell: In Nancy's case, she learned how to take a sewing project step-by-step and to present it to a group of people. Nancy's first demonstration in 4-H was how to sew on a waistband. And with Barbara's help, she prepared her step-by-step instructions. And when she was done with that demonstration, she came away from that table knowing that she had found something for herself. 

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: And then, she knew. She said, "I can do this," you know. She could just... teach. 

- Marjorie Russell: That was the day that she discovered where the direction her life would take. She didn't at that point envision a television show, but she was doing the projects and the demonstrations that eventually led to Sewing With Nancy. 

- Rich Zieman: Nancy went to Stout University and majored in clothing and textiles and journalism.

- Kathy Gittus: When she went to college, I think she made the decision at that point, that, "I'm gonna do something special." "I don't know what it is, but I'm gonna do something special."

- Laurie Gorman: So, she moved to a suburb of Chicago and started to work. 
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When Nancy started working for Minnesota Fabrics, she was hired as a home economist to help demonstrate to people how to create garments. 

- Marjorie Russell: She made the samples, she made the actual garments, and then she presented. When she was done holding a class, then she would take it all down and do another one the next day. So, she worked hard in that store. And the manager of that store's name was Rich Zieman.

- Rich Zieman: She was a person you just liked, right from the beginning. Nancy was intelligent, spoke kindly. She really was phenomenal. 

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy's life was obviously changing and changing rapidly. 
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- Rich Zieman: We just kept moving forward, piece by piece. And it kept coming together. 

- Marjorie Russell: After Rich and Nancy married, Rich accepted a managerial job with a department store in Virginia, Minnesota. 
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During that time, Nancy traveled extensively doing freelance seminars. 

- Kathy Gittus: And she would demonstrate sewing techniques. And she had some devices or notions that she was using at the time. And people would ask her, "Where'd you get that?" 

- Mary Mulari: Nancy realized that people wanted to have the tools and materials to do the work that she was showing. 

- Rich Zieman: And then, being the entrepreneurial spirit that she is, she said, "Gosh, maybe we start a mail-order business." That's when Nancy's Notions was created. 

- Mary Mulari: Nancy started her business at her kitchen table, with a very simple order sheet.

- Kathy Gittus: So then, she started with this 8 1/2 by 11 sheet of paper with these ten notions, and then handed them out, and people started sending in orders. 

- Eileen Roche: She always found the hole. What was missing for the consumer? And that is what really made her successful. And it worked. 

- Mary Mulari: She started her business in Virginia, Minnesota on her kitchen table, and then moved it to her kitchen table in Beaver Dam, Wisconsin.

- Rich Zieman: Which is my hometown, which my mom was very happy about that. 
[laughs happily]

- Marjorie Russell: In the course of doing her seminars, Nancy came in contact with a man who owned a sewing machine store. 
[sewing machine whirring]

But he produced instructional videos for sewing machines. And after meeting Nancy, he saw the possibilities of doing a TV program that was broader than just instructional videos. It showed people how to actually do sewing projects. 

§ § 

[one kHz TV test tone]
[TV countdown beeps]

And Sewing With Nancy was born.

- Hi, I'm Nancy Zieman. Welcome to another program of Sewing With Nancy. Today, we start our third...

- Deanna Springer: Her mission in life was teaching sewing, and another tool that came along was television.

- Nancy: Today we're going to start a new four-part series “Contemporary Tailoring.”
 
[tape recorder playing]

- Nancy: We taped 11 shows of Sewing With Nancy in my house. The first show took 13 hours. Our ceilings were low, and the lights-- I got sunburn. Early 1982, cable television was just in its infancy. Goodness! I mean, where this is airing, I don't know. But television was just an extension of teaching a seminar. And here you can see the grain of the roll line. It follows...

- Eileen Roche: Nancy was definitely not born a TV star. Nancy was born an educator. And she fell in love with sewing and those two things blended together beautifully. And it just so happened that her classroom was on television. 

- Deanna Springer: Nancy loved to sew, and she loved sharing the love of sewing through television. 

- Nancy: We'll start by tailoring the lining, using, of course, the contemporary techniques.

- Rich Zieman: Well, it was an exciting time. We had a business growing, and now we were gonna have a child. In November of 1983, our son Ted was born. And then in December of '83, the producer called Nancy. 
[rotary phone 'brrring']

[tape recorder playing]
- Nancy: It was a Sunday afternoon and I was feeding Ted and the phone rang. 
['brrring', picks up phone]

And he said, "Nancy, this isn't working." Sewing With Nancy wasn't profitable for him. So, I thought, "Well, that was short-lived." 
[phone clunks into receiver cradle]
[TV static]

Welcome to another program of Sewing With Nancy. And a couple of nights later, I sat up in bed, in a sweat. And I thought, "If you don't do this television program now, you'll never have another opportunity." 
[TV static]
 
- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: I often wonder, I often wonder if she'd become this successful if she had been just another pretty girl with a perfect smile. But, no, she had to succeed. 
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- Marjorie Russell: When Nancy sat up in the middle of the night and decided that she was going to do Sewing With Nancy herself, what she was taking on was the production at her own expense. Plus, cable television was not free. She had to pay for airtime. And it was foreign territory to her. So it was a great leap of faith to do that. 

- Nancy: Welcome to Sewing With Nancy. Today we have an exciting program.

- Marjorie Russell: She also managed to work it out so she could be on Saturday mornings. She wanted a Saturday morning when there was a little bit more time for working women to sit down and watch her program.

- Nancy: It may take a little time, but it's well worth it because you're going to...

- Marjorie Russell: And viewership increased. Nancy had an instinct for what she was doing, whether she had the knowledge or not. She had an instinct for it. 
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[TV button clicks]
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[cassette player rolling]
- Nancy: In 1985, I received a call from Nebraska Public Television. 
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How can we get Sewing With Nancy on Nebraska Public Television? I was thinking, "It's time to advance. Time to improve." My goal? Having the seal of approval of public television. 

- Ben White: Her show, to her, was education. It was 'how-to.' It was so important to her not only what the finished project was, but how they got there with the process. She always saw herself as a teacher and public television was that avenue to be the classroom in your own home.

- Nancy: And let it tie off, about an inch or so.

- Marjorie Russell: She had to produce a pilot that was to public television specs. And that gave them the opportunity to go on to not just Nebraska Public Television, but public television stations all over the United States. Initially, almost 30% were interested in carrying Nancy's program.

- Rich Zieman: It had been her dream to be on public television, so now it was gonna happen. 

- Nancy: I hope you've enjoyed this series on "Successful Sewing Basics.” It was a pleasure to present for you. Bye for now. 

§ Nancy's Notions § 
§ Oh, oh, oh, what a great idea §

- Tom Zieman: When Nancy's Notions was probably at its most active with my parents, everybody that worked there was like extended family.

- Nancy: Recycle these boxes... 
[group laughing]

- Tom Zieman: I think it's fundamental to how my mom thought a business should be run. 
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- Rich Zieman: My parents, they were our first two employees. I can't say they were our first two paid employees. 

[laughter]
[cutlery rattling]
It was just, it was fun. 

- Russell: Nancy's Notions started in her little apartment. Then, in her new home, took over the basement. And when the basement became too small, her father-in-law offered his former chicken house and they converted that into the warehouse for Nancy's Notions. 

- Rich Zieman: In 1984, '85, everything was really, really booming. We bought about a 6,000-square foot building. We moved in mid-1985. And we were wondering, "Gosh, what we're gonna do with all this space?" And about two years later, we had outgrown that. 
[laughs heartily]

So, we constructed a 14,000-square foot warehouse.

- Kathy Gittus: We're sending out more catalogs. We're sending out more notions. It's like we couldn't do anything wrong. You know, we... 
[chuckles]

We'd put products in, they would sell. It was like, we put more products in, they'd sell. And it was amazing. It was just strictly amazing. 
[Nancy howls with laughter]

- Rich Zieman: Nancy and I, we really love this community because of the people who live here. 
[all laughing and clapping]

- Kathy Gittus: Nancy's Notions wasn't just, you know, Nancy Zieman, President, and then everybody else. It was a family organization from the very beginning.

- Deanna Springer: We were a family. We're a family. Some of the best friends I have now are people that I met working at Nancy's Notions. 

- Kathy Gittus: When Nancy first started out in her business, it was literally on their kitchen table. 
[Nancy's Notions team cheering and applauding]

I was so proud of her. 
[cheering]

I was so proud of the fact that she had done this. 
[cheers and applause]

 Nancy's Notions was a kitchen table story that comes true. 
[applause]

 § [soft piano music] § 

[tape recorder playing]
- Nancy: I'm very thankful that if I had to have Bell's palsy, I had it from square one. But I struggled with that. I was a year and a half old, and my doctor said, "Well, you have Bell's palsy, and it'll get better by the time she's 13." But… not so much. 
§ [contemplative music] § 

- So, having Bell's palsy was something that was part of Nancy's life.

- Marjorie Russell: Frequently, she had to remind herself that she was not about her face. 

- Director: Stand by. Five, four, three... 

- With her facial paralysis, she felt she doesn't have a face for TV.

- Laurie Gorman: She had moments of self-doubt when she had to step in front of that television camera, knowing that her face was front and center. 

- Marjorie Russell: She had to push harder than most people do. And pushing through when she didn't feel comfortable. A lot of times, we tend to choose the easiest path. I doubt if Nancy ever saw an easy path. 

- Nancy: Here's the rundown. 

- Laurie Gorman: But I think knowing the bigger mission that she was on, which was to educate, which was to share her knowledge with people to help them on their journey. I think that's what helped her overcome those moments of self-doubt. 

- Nancy: That's what next on Sewing With Nancy. 
§ [Sewing With Nancy theme music] §
 
- Marjorie Russell: By the early '90s, Nancy's program was being produced by Wisconsin Public Television.

- Announcer: Welcome to Sewing With Nancy, TV's how-to sewing program with your host, Nancy Zieman. 

- Nancy: Welcome to our second program on "Stitch-Again Wardrobe." In this program...

- Laurie Gorman: She knew all her sewing stuff, but she had to know all the TV stuff, too, to really make that show work.

- Nancy: You just need to practice.

- Ted Zieman: My mom's TV show, it was a lot of work. But I think she liked the team that she had.

- Nancy: Set those here.

- Ted: The team that could help her sew, the team that could help her get it all together. And then, team of PBS, where they would make it all happen.

- Director: Three, two, and cue. 
§ [bouncy upbeat music] §

- Ben White: The cameras actually became her students. And she had great rapport with the crew, where Nancy was teaching us how to do everything.

- Cassie Kienert: When we would get done with a take, we'd often get to a point where we'd be like, "Oh, we got that" as a crew. And that was kind of the baseline of, "Did the crew understand it?" Then we knew the audience would understand it because we kind of figured that we were the lowest common denominator of her audience. 
[both laugh]

- Nancy: Make it look the way you'd like it to be when it's completed.

- Mary Mulari: Nancy's presentation was key. Her audience could envision themselves doing what she's doing.

- Nancy: Here's a close-up, and just straight stitching down the front of the jacket.

- Eileen Roche: She really wanted the viewer to know how to do it. She wanted them to see what they would see when they sit at the machine. 

- Laurie Gorman: Now, because of that, she would often say that her sewing on TV was not her best work, because of the way she had to angle herself for the camera to see what she was doing.

- Nancy: Sometimes when I'm talking, I don't always sew the straightest.

- Cassie Kienert: She would sew completely side-angle and have to do this so this the camera could get the shot. So, your body isn't in the correct placement to actually guide the machine like you would at home.

- Leslie Fitzsimmons: She was always canted a certain way and just like contorting her body.

- Ben White: But Nancy really wanted to make sure the viewer was seeing it how they needed to see it so they could replicate it at home. 

- Nancy: It's really easy. Then, on your foot, you'll find that there are toes, You have a foot, you gotta have toes.
[laughs]
 
So, there's a single toe in the back. And sometimes, there's a triple toe in the front.

- Eileen Roche: Oh, I think it was Nancy's life's purpose, to teach America how to sew. 
§ [soft piano music] §

Eileen Roche: Her viewers really felt that she was in their sewing room. And they really felt that it was a personal lesson with Nancy.

- Mary Mulari: And in doing that, Nancy certainly created a community. 

- Viewer: Just a creative lady, and she would make things that look challenging and difficult, easy.

- Viewer: And just giving you the confidence to go ahead and do it.

- Viewer: And Nancy does that on her show. 
§ [soft piano music] § 

[cassette tape playing]
- The scope of the TV show is beyond sewing and quilting. Because people take from it, what they need. Hi, I'm Nancy Zieman. Thank you for joining me. Welcome to Sewing With Nancy. I teach sewing, but if they need companionship, that's what they get from it. If they need a connection from the past, that's what they get from it. If they need encouragement, that's what they pull. 

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy understood early on that people love to create, and they love to have the confidence to create. 

- Nancy: Just a little touch of creativity.

- Viewer: Her love of sewing, and her love of teaching, it makes your heart just so warm.

- Viewer: You can tell she loved what she was doing.

- Viewer: And she inspired that in a lot of people. 
§ [gentle piano music] §

- Ben White: People tuned in to watch Nancy because she was a person. She was real.

- Nancy: Sewing takes patience and practice.

- Gina Crispell: Her viewers considered her a friend. Like your sister, your neighbor, your aunt, teaching you how to sew, because that's who she was. She was a mom.

- Nancy: Patty cake, patty cake, there.

- Gina Crispell: A wife, a daughter, a sister. That was her.
 
[blowing raspberries, smooches baby Tom]

- Rich Zieman: Oh, who is it?

- Nancy: I'm Fozzie Bear.

- Rich Zieman: Oh, hi, Fozzie.

- Nancy [as Fozzie]: Night, night!

- Ted Zieman: She was always to me a mom, not Sewing With Nancy. She was my mom. § [tender instrumental music] § 
[Nancy speaks indistinctly]

- Tom Zieman: My mom was exactly the person off-screen, as on-screen, that she comes off to be.

- Where are the balloons? Oh.

- Tom Zieman: Growing up on the farm is foundationally what set up my mom's character for everything. Everything can be traced back to that experience.

- Gina Crispell: Salt of the earth values, I mean, what you saw with Nancy is what you get. Just kind and humble and generous. 

- Ted Zieman: Everything she did, she liked to create. She liked to bake: that's creating something. Sewing: she liked to create something. Gardening: creating something. 

- Tom Zieman: My mother was also a second- and third-grade Sunday school teacher for as long as I can remember.

- Rich Zieman: So again, teacher, she's a teacher. She taught for 25 years.

- Ted Zieman: She did it because she was so blessed with what she has, and that's her way to give back.

- Tom Zieman: Faith is a fundamental tenement to my mom and my family. Faith in God and the importance of faith and family. 

- Nancy: You know what Teddy said yesterday? 
[speaking dramatically] Yesterday was the most wonderful day of his life. Wasn't it, Ted? 
[laughing warmly]

There we are!
[Nancy and Rich laughing]

- Rich Zieman: She was a very good role model and mom to the boys. 
[birds chirping]

- Ted Zieman: She really tried to live her life to be a good example. That was the biggest way she would teach. 
§ [gentle guitar music] § 

- Tom Zieman: When both my brother and I started having kids, just being a grandma, you know, that was definitely a priority. 
[Nancy rasping]

- Nancy: One more time. 
[sewing machine whirring]
Now, cut the threads. 
[sewing machine beeps]

- Ted Zieman: Watching her read with the kids, she loved doing it. And then, the kids would just snuggle into her and they all loved it. 
[Rich Zieman laughs warmly]

- Rich Zieman: She couldn't have been a better grandmother. She just loved them to death. 
[Tom 'whooshes', baby emulates]

- Tom Zieman: Her real talent was in embracing people. My mother experienced early on of being prejudged. And I think my mom's ability to take the time to get to know people was really her God-given talent.

- Gina Crispell: She had a lot of perspective. And she just was so caring for everybody because I think she had hurt a lot in her life. And so that made her care for others. 

- Ted Zieman: That's just, I guess, a life lesson, a motto to live by. "Never forget about kindness."
§ [dramatic guitar music] §

- Nancy: Perhaps the question that most of you would like to ask me but are a little afraid to do so has nothing to do with fabric and thread. The topic, my face. 
§ [soft piano music] §

- Gina Crispell: She always said to me, "If you are on TV, don't Google yourself."

- Tom Zieman: Anytime you would start to Google my mom's name, the recommended search result was "Nancy Zieman stroke face."

- Gina Crispell: "Nancy Zieman, what's wrong with her face?" 

- Nancy: Obviously, I'm not symmetrical. My eye and mouth on my right side have a partial paralysis called Bell's palsy. 

- Rich Zieman: Seeing that on the Internet, it really set her back. After all the things she's dealt with on it throughout life, this moment affected her the most. She decided, "Well then, let me open up about it."

- Nancy: To address your curiosity and also answer some of those questions, I've invited a special guest. I'd like you to meet Dr. Justin Sattin.

- Marjorie Russell: She brought a neurologist on her show, who spoke about Bell's palsy.

- Dr. Justin Sattin: Which is, by definition, a facial nerve weakness of uncertain cause. 

- Gina Crispell: She wanted those questions answered for her viewers.

- Dr. Justin Sattin: Like an inner ear infection, as is likely when it occurs in a young child.

- Nancy: That was what caused onset of mine.

- Laurie Gorman: That episode generated a huge response. There was a tremendous outpouring of support for Nancy. But it was also a moment where she realized her show could bring something beyond sewing to her viewers.

- Rich Zieman: It led to her continuing on with not always having the closing of the show dealing with sewing but dealing with other topics that would benefit people. § § - Laurie Gorman: It wasn't just a sewing show anymore. It was a show that was reaching out across the globe with people who had things to give in service of others.

- Ben White: Nancy was connecting these places of cause with people that wanted to give back.

- Gorman: The bulk of the topics dealt with charitable sewing, which would be, for example, making comfort caps for people who have lost their hair due to chemotherapy, or making and donating quilts to the homeless.

- Nancy: This tireless group of volunteers has made a difference.

- Ben White: People would immediately want to give to that cause. The items would roll in not by like the tens or hundreds but by the thousands.

- Cassie Kienert: The community came out for Nancy. 
§ [dramatic instrumental] § 

[playing tape recording]
- Nancy: Sewing With Nancy is more than just teaching people how to sew. It gives people a vehicle to be creative and to help those who need. 
§ [uplifting instrumental] §

- Deanna Springer: Charity sewing and community service sewing is really another way of sharing your love of sewing. 

- Ben White: Sewers and quilters want to give and they want to help. 
[sewers conversing]

- Viewer: It's just heartwarming. 

- Viewer: People have helped me so much through my life. It's my turn to give back now. 

- Viewer: The feeling that you get, when you've put work into something and then give it to someone of your own free will, you get something in your heart, that just is very important for your soul and for other people that you touch with what you've made for them. And that's just a feeling that you don't get otherwise. 

- Eileen Roche: Sewers are givers, yeah. Mm-hmm, absolutely. 

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy was constantly looking for ways to connect people, not just to present projects. The core of her success was connecting people. 
§ [joyful instrumental] §

- Nancy: I was just a conduit for this. It was very touching what people were doing for others. The gift is in the giving. 
§ [hopeful instrumental] § 

- Laurie Gorman: Nancy was... was many things. Obviously, she was an entrepreneur, a television host, but she was also an artist. She was designing patterns for the McCall Pattern Company and she was making a lot of landscape quilts. 

- Nancy: Now we do this messy cutting along the edges to make it ragged and, Natalie, you're pro at that.

- Natalie Sewell: Let me just show you how I do this.

- Deanna Springer: Natalie Sewell taught Nancy how to landscape quilt.

- Sewell: The leaf fabric is boring, Nancy.

- Nancy: It is.

- Don't you think that's really boring? So, let's paint it. Now you don't have to be a graduate in an art course for this because watch us. 
[highlighter scratching]

- Laurie Gorman: This was all new to Nancy, somebody who came from a very rule-oriented approach to sewing. Landscape quilting was nothing like that. 

- Eileen Roche: It's not very rigid... at all. You know, it's cutting and it's rough cutting.

- Laurie Gorman: Natalie would take highlighters and color in some of the fabric. She would take sharpies and make new detail that didn't exist before.

- Eileen Roche: And they used glue! I mean, how many rules were they breaking there, right? 
[laughs]

- Oil pastel is the hint for adding sunshine.

- Natalie Sewall: Right.

- Tom Zieman: When you look at her landscape quilts, a lot of them are actually inspired by growing up on the farm. 

[cassette player clicking]
- Nancy: In the summer, I'd pick the flowers. Trilliums, May flowers, and I would spend lots of time in the woods. Just a walk in the woods is so, so wonderful. § [peaceful instrumental] § 

- Tom Zieman: Learning landscape quilting later on in her career reinvigorated what she was doing.

- Nancy: So I think you'll get the hang of this.

- Marjorie Russell: And it was just something that spoke to her at a time in her life when she really needed it. 
[birds chirping]

Rich and Nancy decided that perhaps it was time to look for a buyer for Nancy's Notions.

- Rich Zieman: We had reached a point where we had 120 employees and we had great sales and a rather large facility.

- Ted Zieman: Financially, it was a smart move. I mean, small business, you're growing and growing, and it's a lot of responsibility.

- Russell: And in the end, the Tacony Corporation purchased it. 

- Ted Zieman: For my parents, ultimately, it wasn't their company anymore. But she was under contract to work there, I believe, for five years, and I think that was the most stressful five years of her life.
§ [solemn music] §

- Tom Zieman: Like many purchases and mergers, I'm sure in business, the transition doesn't always go as smoothly as it's planned. There were some issues with fulfillment and computer systems and things that didn't quite mesh when two businesses combined. And that was a very hard thing for my mom. 

[cassette player clicks]
- Nancy: From the warehouse to the order entry to purchasing, there was nothing that worked. Things were all... askew. I was so frustrated. So frustrated, I got the shingles. 

- Kathy Gittus: I think she felt it was all on her to make this acquisition work for everybody.

- Marjorie Russell: There was an internal conflict constantly for Nancy at that point.

- Kathy Gittus: It kept her up at night trying to figure out how to make it better, how to make it more efficient, how to keep this family together and keeping this family going. 

[recording]
- Nancy: I feel like I am strapped to a sleigh, with all of the troubles behind me, and I am trying to pull this sleigh up the hill. I felt I couldn't do it, and I couldn't.
§ [dramatic instrumental] §
But going through this, I was just thinking, "Trust, trust, trust. "You are making the right decision, and you will be guided." 

- Rich Zieman: Through that whole process, her faith and trust, trust in the Lord, was her foundation.

- Tom Zieman: Never losing sight of that gave her the reassurance to know, this will be fine.

- Marjorie Russell: And she just was able to let go of what she couldn't control.

- Gittus: After five years, she was able to walk away. She was burnt out, needed to be refreshed, needed to try some new things. 

- Nancy: I'm ready, are you ready?

- Crew: We are.

- Places.

- Deb Piper: Three, two, and cue her.

- Nancy: This is a special day on Sewing With Nancy. It's our 30th-anniversary special.
[studio audience applauds]
Thank you, thank you!

- Ben White: In 2012, Nancy filmed her 30th-anniversary episode.

- Nancy: I thought it best to...

- Eileen Roche: Well, 30 years on television, I mean, who does that?

- Leslie Fitzsimmons: Thirty years is a lot. That's a lot of TV she made.

- Laurie Gorman: It was an opportunity for Nancy to look back through the years, to share some special moments, and to give fans a look at the series in its entirety. § [warm instrumental music] §

- Viewer: Nancy, happy 30th!

- Laurie Gorman: Nancy also brought back her regular guests that she had had throughout the years.

- Deanna Springer: Guests like Gail Brown and Mary Mulari and Eileen Roche. 
[audience laughing]

- Laurie Gorman: More importantly, she was able to have some of her family there. 

- Nancy: Pay special attention to a cute little blond boy who is holding a kitty.

- Ted Zieman: Yeah, I was on a couple. I was a very rambunctious little boy on that show. 
[laughs]

- Gina Crispell: He was a wild child, and he was jumping all over. He was, he was something. 
[laughs]

- Ted Zieman: I don't think she ever wanted to do another show after that with a kid on. 
[Ted laughs jovially]

- Mary Mulari: It was a really nice time of celebration and acknowledgement of all the work needed to produce a show for that many years.

- Nancy: This became my classroom.

- Rich Zieman: Well, you think it's all Nancy. No, it's about 40 other people too, so. 
[laughs]

- Nancy: Most of you know this program as Sewing With Nancy, but really it should be called Sewing With Nancy, Donna, Pat, Kate, Diane, Lois, Deanna... You get the idea. 
§ [bright instrumental] § 

- Gorman: Sewing With Nancy through the years became more than just a production, it became more than just working on a TV show. 

- Ben White: She was our friend. Wasn't just a TV host, wasn't just the host of Sewing With Nancy. She was Nancy Zieman, our friend. 

- You really wanted to do your best for Nancy because she just brought out the best in you.

- Ben White: You know, there's not many times in life or people that you meet that do that.

- Cassie Kienert: Nancy was special in that way. 

- Nancy: It's humbling to be here after 30 years. So many people to help me. I'm just one small part of it.

- Marjorie Russell: She was not only recapping 30 years of having been on television. She was celebrating the people who had been there with her, who had helped make Sewing With Nancy what it was. 
[studio audience applauding]

- Nancy: Thanks!

- Laurie Gorman: She realized at that moment how much the show and how much she meant to the people around her. 

- Ted Zieman: It was pretty amazing. And that's right before pretty much everything started kinda... tumbling. 
[birds chirping]

- Rich Zieman: After the 30th-anniversary show, Nancy was at home, and she loved to hang laundry out to dry, but she just stumbled, fell on her side and broke her, broke her femur. 
[birds chirping]

- Ted Zieman: From that, the next three to four years were just tough on her. The pain would just not go away.

- Tom Zieman: It never felt like after 2012, that she was ever really healthy again. § [dramatic instrumental] §

- Rich Zieman: Early in 2015, her leg cracked. The tumor in her bone that had grown about to the size of about six or seven inches and had actually physically cracked the bone and it was cancerous. She had osteosarcoma bone cancer. 

- Tom Zieman: It results in a surgery. And we got into a period of remission where things were looking really good.

- Ted Zieman: But three months after all this happened, she had a checkup and she has triple-negative breast cancer. She decided to go through chemotherapy and radiation, and that was hell for her. 

- Marjorie Russell: Nancy Zieman is no quitter. And something called cancer was not going to stop her. 
§ [insistent instrumental] §

- Nancy: So, preparation is first and I have a single motif up here.

- Ben White: Nancy was sick, but she still wanted to continue with Sewing With Nancy.

- Eileen Roche: With a vengeance. She really went back to work with a vengeance.

- Nancy: I call it "Change-Up Patchwork."

- Ben White: She wasn't done teaching.

- Leslie Fitzsimmons: I think ultimately it was her purpose, right? Like that was what she was here to contribute, here to do, and if she was still capable of doing it, she would.

- Good to have you back, Eileen.

- Eileen Roche: They were very difficult days and Nancy was in so much pain. 

- Deanna Springer: Oh, yeah, it was really, really tough. It was really to keep her mind off of it. 

- Eileen Roche: She felt if she stopped, she would lose her battle right then. 

- Leslie Fitzsimmons: But if there was any wallowing, we never saw it. If there was any sort of pity party, we were not invited. 

- Mary Mulari: When the camera rolled, she would step up and be Nancy.

- Nancy: Fabric that is great for projects.

- Mary Mulari: We can certainly use lots of that, Nancy. She, she was tough. 
[conversation in background]

- Nancy: Hello.

- Richard Zieman: She ended the chemotherapy and got healthier. Forty years.

- Forty years.

- All right, so!

- Ted Zieman: Yeah, it seemed like she beat it.

- Rich Zieman: It was a wonderful time. Nancy was feeling good. Life appeared to be getting back to normal. We've said that many times, but we really felt it. 

- Ted Zieman: Memorial Day weekend 2017. My parents came up. 
[laughs]

And so, it was fun. They were leaving and she had her cane, and they're walking out the front door. And I was walking out, and something just told me, "All right, turn around and take a picture." So I did. Two weeks later, she found out she had cancer again.
§ [somber music] §

- Kathy Gittus: Here's another hill that she has to climb. And I don't know how many times you climb that hill.

- Tom Zieman: My mom called me and basically choked out the words that she had cancer again, and there won't be any heroics this time.

- Rich Zieman: That was her decision, that I'm not-- I can't do chemotherapy after the chemo I went through. 

- Tom Zieman: The fallout from that was so severe on her body that I think she figured, I would rather spend the rest of the time I have being comfortable and having the rest of my days than actively trying to fight this and ultimately losing out anyway. 
§ [somber music] §

- Nancy: You want to find what you like?

- Avery: This one!

- Oh, okay, that's good.

- Nancy: I sew for fun with my granddaughters, Avery and Luella. My guess is that there are kids in your life that will enjoy the sewing experience. "I Sew for Fun," that what's next on Sewing With Nancy. 

- Ben White: The last program of Sewing With Nancy is called "I Sew for Fun."

- Laurie Gorman: "I Sew for Fun" was gonna be a series of three Sewing With Nancy episodes that focused on sharing your love of sewing with others in your life.

- Deanna Springer: We were to record segments with Nancy's grandchildren, and some friends and their children. 

- Gorman: So, the first thing that was shot was the footage at Nancy's house, with her granddaughters and with the other sewing pairs. 
[sewing machine whirring]

- Nancy: Okay.

- Ben White: You could kind of see it in Nancy, that she was in a little bit more pain than usual.

- Ted Zieman: Her head just hurt so bad and then she would get up and all she wanted to do was just do this show with these kids because she knew she needed to do it. 
[Nancy laughing]

- Laurie Gorman: So we're gonna spend one day capturing all that footage, and then spend another day back at the studio and Nancy would do all the sewing segments that we need for a Sewing With Nancy program. 

- Ben White: But Nancy wasn't able to come back to the studio.
§ [somber music] §

- Deanna Springer: After that record day, Nancy had received her terminal diagnosis. The pain was so, so bad that Nancy wanted to cancel the in-studio record. 

- Laurie Gorman: She called me and she kind of fell apart on the phone. And said that she couldn't, she wasn't gonna be able to finish a show. That was devastating because that episode meant so much to her. It was with her grandkids.

- Rich Zieman: So, Laurie called her and said, "Nancy, let's get one half-hour show done." "We won't get three done, but I'm bringing the crew and we're coming to your house." She just knew how much Nancy wanted to do this. 

- Laurie Gorman: We found a time that worked for Nancy, when she thought she'd be having a good day. All we would need from her was to have her sitting in a chair, reading some lines of script that would help lead us through this episode.

- Nancy: I think I have about as much gas in the tank to do this.

- Gina Crispell: She never didn't finish what she started.

- Ted Zieman: When you're that passionate about something, you want to make it happen, you're gonna get it done. 
[Nancy exhales painfully, sniffs]

- Ben White: Five, four, three.

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: She did it.

- Nancy: I sew for fun with my granddaughters, Avery and Luella. Lots of rules are disregarded with a big dose of fun encouraged.

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: It was just a miracle that she pulled it off.

- That's what's next on Sewing With Nancy.

- Marjorie Russell: That episode represented everything that Nancy had ever worked for. 

- Laurie Gorman: It really was a culmination of the entire series and what it was about, which was sharing your love of sewing. That's all Nancy was about. 

- Marjorie Russell: She did it with a great deal of grace. 

- Ben White: That's what she showed in that episode. That's what she showed by being able to do one more day.

- Nancy: That's good, that's good.

- White: It was the right episode to end on with her grandchildren.

- Rich Zieman: Was just wonderful for her and really helped bring the closure to be able to take a deep breath and say, "Okay, yeah, that's it." 

- Nancy: It's great to have them part of my show. It's just kind of makes everything so fun and nice!

- Rich Zieman: Her phrase at the end of the show, 'Bye for now,' she got to say it one more time. 
[inhales]
 So.

- Nancy: ...this enriching experience. 
[Baby Adeline cooing]

- And, Adeline, should we say, "Thanks for joining us. Bye for now." 
[Nancy laughs affectionately]

§ [gentle piano music] § 
§ § 

- Tom Zieman: Her most rewarding moments with the TV show was when would come up to her and say, "You know, your show got me through cancer treatments." "Your show got me through a really rough divorce." 

- Rich Zieman: Nancy would just say to people, "I'm just a teacher," but it's how she taught that connected them.

- Nancy: You just need to practice.

- Viewer: She was huge for so many of us.

- Viewer: Her warm low-key style invited the viewer to try something new and inspired us. 
[Natalie Sewell and Nancy laugh]

- Viewer: She made you feel as if you were the only one there.

- Viewer: She makes everybody just feel like you're part of a family. It's a treasured memory. 
[studio audience applauds]

- Nancy: Thank you to our audience and especially to you, our viewers, for inviting me into your homes, and I will forever be grateful for that. And as I end each program, thanks for joining me, bye for now. 
[applause]

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: I always prayed that she wouldn't become an introvert. God answered that prayer. Introvert?!?

- Nancy: Hi, I'm Nancy Zieman, welcome to Sewing With Nancy.

- Barbara Luedtke Eckstein: That was just amazing. 
[laughs warmly]

[cassette player clicks]

- Nancy: I find it just fascinating. I didn't plan on this. But when the opportunity was there... Nancy: Now comes the moment of truth! ...I took it. 
§ § 
§ [gentle music] §
§ §

- Funding for Nancy Zieman: Extraordinary Grace is provided by John W. and Lenore L. Landry Endowment Fund, Eleanor and Thomas Wildrick Family, Stanley J. Cottrill Fund, Diane Dempsey, Elizabeth Olson, Ruth Ann Potts, Focus Fund for Wisconsin Programming, and Friends of PBS Wisconsin.