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- Emcee: You know him from "The Daily Show."
You guys, let's get a huge Madison welcoming going
right now for Mr. Roy Wood, Jr. [audience cheers and applauds]
- Murv Seymour: Roy Wood, Jr. - Roy Wood, Jr.: How you been?
- Good, man, good to see you.
- Good to see you, man, been a minute.
- So full disclosure, you and I do know each other.
- Yeah, yeah. - And I had to do this.
I was looking through my archives, I pulled up this.
Take a look at that.
- Wow, bro.
- Do you remember that? - Hang on, don't tell me.
I already know from this shirt,
this is before I moved to Los Angeles.
This is before, this is pre-2007.
- I wanna say that's 2008, Great American Comedy.
- Great American, that was in Omaha, Nebraska.
- Johnny Carson. - Johnny Carson.
Outside of Omaha, Norfolk.
- Lincoln, was it Lincoln?
- No, it's Norfolk, it was Norfolk, Nebraska.
- Of all the places you could be, Comedy on State,
how'd you end up here?
- Comedy on State is legendary club.
You start learning the markets that have the rooms
that really curate comedy in the right way
and create an environment that's conducive to laughter.
It's a basement, the ceiling's low, the lights are all low.
It's just a great place for comedy.
Just walking around downtown Madison,
all I saw was college students
and grownups looking like they looking
for their college students.
[audience laughs]
Is that what downtown is, just kids
and just parents saying, "Where are they?
They said they would be here."
Madison and this club, it's a legendary town,
and a lot of big names come through here.
- And when we talk Wisconsin, we know that there are
other good clubs in the state.
We talk Skyline, we talk about the old Comedy Cafe.
There's an improv over in Milwaukee now.
So what do you look at in terms of,
how do you determine what a good club is,
and what's the difference
between these clubs across the state?
- This club is still, to me, the best of that whole lot.
They're big laughers here.
Also, this is a college town.
Because it's a college town,
there's also a higher level of intelligence.
In the business, we call it comedy IQ.
And this city has a high comedy IQ.
Also because it's a capital city, it is a different feel.
So you can come in and address certain topics
that are relevant here that connect
to the rest of the world.
The morning of my aunt's funeral,
three hours before it's to start,
the entire family finds out
that Uncle Derek still has a flip phone.
[audience laughs]
- What's funny about Wisconsin?
- For me, what's funny about Wisconsin has always been
y'all just act like it's not cold.
Even on the way in, it's just people ice fishing.
Why do you have to think of stuff to do outside
when it's cold?
Just inside, find inside things to do.
Go inside, Madison.
There's heat in the house.
[audience laughs]
Standing on the lake looking for fish.
There's fish at the grocery store already on ice.
[audience laughs]
How much fresher do you need your fish to be?
[audience laughs]
- What comes to mind when you talk Wisconsin politics?
Anything stick out?
- Well, Wisconsin is a different place
when you talk about politics.
I'm not overly familiar with everything on a local level,
just on a day to day.
But it has been interesting with "The Daily Show"
to be able to look at issues that have happened here
and as they connect to the bigger conversation.
To see it in action, we headed
to the Madison Wisconsin Police Department,
one of the few in the country
that has an extensive anti-bias program.
My first-ever "Daily Show" piece we shot in Madison,
we spoke with the Chief of Police, Mike Koval,
about the police bias training
that they're putting Madison police through
and with regards to the horrible, horrible tragedy
where an officer shot an unarmed Black man.
And so, I don't think that Wisconsin is
that different from anywhere else in the world,
where you have issues that are happening
at a local and state level
that can still be used to help have a conversation
about what's happening nationally.
- How difficult is it for you to joke about politics
in this new environment?
- I don't find it difficult to joke about politics.
I just think some people find it difficult
to laugh about it.
The comedian's job has never changed.
We love to act like all of a sudden the difficulty level
of the occupation of comedian has been turned up to 10 now.
Like, "Oh, no, I can't play it."
It's like they put it on All Madden
and now you can't beat the computer.
The job is the same.
My job is to talk about things hopefully
from a perspective that you may not have considered
or make light of it all together with no solutions in hand.
And either you laugh or you don't.
I live in New York now,
and people have noise-canceling headphones.
How do you live like this? [audience laughs]
In this world, you don't need to hear none of the noise?
[audience laughs]
At the end of the day, we're living in a society now
where people have opportunities.
People don't live in vacuums, opinion vacuums anymore.
They can say that they don't like something.
That's the only difference.
Comedy's not harder, it's just everybody has a phone,
they have a social media account.
There's people that are willing to listen.
There are groups that organize against people who go,
"Hey, I don't like the way that joke made me feel.
"I don't like the way
what you're talking about makes me feel."
And those people have every right in the world
to say and position themselves as such.
And I think as a comedian,
we've always been saying these things.
- Does it matter to you who you poke fun at?
- For me, funny is funny.
I'm just more of a policy person when it comes
to the things that I choose to talk about on stage.
I don't really talk about people specifically.
If you go through my three hour specials,
there's not a lot of indictments of persons.
It's an indictment of systems and policies,
because the people change, the policies stay the same.
The policies are what are the standing racist legacies
of our forefathers, this country's forefathers, rather.
So I'd rather poke at that and needle at that.
And when you do that, it tends
to rest a little bit more in the middle ground.
I don't know how many good cops we need either,
'cause good cops still doing their job,
which mean giving tickets.
My cousin ain't pulled nobody over since 2008.
That's a good cop. [audience laughs]
If you're talking police reform,
there's always gonna be somebody in the audience
who feels like you're talking bad about the police.
But if you just calm down for a second
and listen to what I'm saying, I think you'll find
that there is a little bit of a middle ground in my POV.
So I can't go on stage to talk about that
and concern myself with what someone
who's opposed to any type of reform.
I can't care what you think about that.
- Speaking of what people think,
how has the cancel culture affected
how you approach the things you joke about?
- Cancel culture hasn't affected
how I put anything together.
And I really push back against this concept
that cancel culture exists.
There isn't a comedian that has told a joke
in the last five to seven years who is in jail.
There isn't a comedian who has lost the opportunity
or the space to perform.
And there are tons of people lining up to pay money
to see all of their favorite comedians say the things
that they enjoy hearing.
So if you still have a place to come
and do this as an occupation,
I don't believe there's a concept of being canceled.
- Is it just about a laugh, or does everything
you talk about have to have some sort of a point?
- I don't feel like every joke I make has to have a point.
But it's good if it does.
I'm not here to lecture people.
My last special, "Imperfect Messenger,"
there was police reform stuff,
but then there was also prison reform.
And at the core of it, that story was more about me
and what I was going through than it was about,
"Hey, not everybody should go to jail forever."
That's implied and it's understood.
And if you leave with that, great.
If not, hopefully you leave with a better understanding of
how you choose to discard people who've made mistakes.
If you're talking about things that are relatable
and things that people can connect with
on an emotional level, inherently, it's gonna be worth
more than just a laugh to a lot of folks.
- In the work you do on "The Daily Show,"
do you feel like that has an impact on voters?
Does it move the needle?
- I'd say yeah, in some regards, I think so.
I don't think that's the goal of the show.
The goal of the show is to make you laugh
and make sense of this so you're not yelling
at a wall every day; that's it.
Did you laugh?
Yes, all right, great, see you tomorrow night at 11:00.
That's the goal of the show.
But it would be in disrespect to the people
that watch the show if I didn't acknowledge that sometimes...
Here's what's weird about working at "The Daily Show."
When I started, I was just a comedian, road comic,
a little bit of sitcom stuff,
but for the most part, I was a road comedian.
I didn't do a lot of acting, I wasn't cast in a lot of stuff.
So people would know me from TV appearances doing comedy
and they would go, "Hey, you're very funny."
When I started at "The Daily Show"
and as things matriculated year after year,
people would come up to me who saw me on "The Daily Show,"
who knew me from "The Daily Show,"
and they would say, "Hey, thank you."
And that's a different type of compliment.
And there's a level of appreciation
from a lot of people
for what we do and the things that we talk about
and that we're able to kind of bring a little bit
of a light to.
Whether or not these things affect policy
every single day or every single year,
that's a metric that's hard to measure based
on one news package or whatever.
I can't prove that we change policy,
but I do prove that we make people's lives a little better.
- And as a comedian, what do you think your role is
in the conversation on race?
How do you think you're impacting race?
- I don't know what my role is when it comes
to solving racism.
I'm just here to talk about it a little bit
and hopefully we laugh about it
and somebody's able to take a deep breath
and go out to work the next day and endure it.
And hopefully, together we all come up with policies
or to give you a little bit of energy to keep fighting
to try and make the world a better place.
But I've never written a joke about race and been like,
"Oh, yeah, this the one.
Now the white folks gonna stop hating us."
I've never written that.
I don't know if that joke exists.
I've always enjoyed just being on stage
and being able to talk about things that are difficult
and make people uncomfortable.
And, hopefully, you know...
For me, the perfect joke is the one
that a Black person hears and goes,
"That's what I've been trying to tell you."
And a white person goes, "Wow, I never knew that."
You don't have the same degree of freedom of expression
as you may have had 20 years ago in standup comedy
at a lot of traditional venues.
That again, if this is about commerce culture,
and we're talking about a club wanting
to keep the doors open and not being pressured
by local groups who don't like the style of performers
that they're booking, sooner or later, the club has to decide
whether they want to stand for free speech or stay open.
And most businesses are gonna choose to remain open.
So if you wanna do something that stirs the pot,
you're gonna have to find different pots to go
and perform that stuff in.
I think that's inevitable.
- Is anything off limits to you comedically?
- I try not to do jokes at the expense
of any marginalized communities.
In middle school, we made fun of some special needs kids
and the principal put us in the special needs class
with those children for two weeks,
and we did all of our schoolwork in the special needs class.
That moment lives with me forever.
I appreciate you coming out
and risking COVID in the basement.
[audience laughs]
- Have you noticed a difference in the audiences since COVID?
- You know what's wild about comedy since COVID is
that I feel like the audiences are more electric.
I think that the people that are out really want to be out
and they really want to laugh.
Comedy is a release.
Comedy is about, when you think about the idea of comedy,
just as an occupation, you have made a decision
that "I need to laugh.
"I need to laugh so bad, I need a professional.
"The TV can't help me, TikTok is not enough.
"I need to go to a room where there is a laugh man,
a laugh person on the stage."
I caught COVID two times.
I caught Omicron, and then way back when,
I caught original recipe.
[audience laughs]
I don't know if that's the name of it, but the first wave.
[audience laughs]
Yeah, no, not Delta, Delta was the upgrade.
There was one before Delta.
[audience laughs]
I'm not gonna say that comedy, that doing comedy now feels
like 2019 again, but it definitely is close
and it's definitely, we're in a time
where people are dealing with a lot of pain,
a lot of suffering.
Everyone has lost someone to COVID.
So at this point, it really does feel like the people
who are coming out to laugh are coming
because they need to laugh, not because they just,
it was either this or bowling.
It doesn't feel like that anymore.
It feels like they specifically came for laughter.
- What do you like most about Wisconsin?
- What do I like most about Wisconsin?
Cheese curds, that burrito place in Appleton.
I can't remember the name of it, La Bamba.
- Hm, La Bamba, I do not remember--
- I don't know if they're still open.
I hope they survived COVID, but La Bamba was amazing.
- Yeah, it was good.
Other than yourself, who makes you laugh?
- My son makes me laugh.
My son and my mother, easily the two funniest people I know.
- You've got a chance to have a 30-minute conversation
with anyone, who's that gonna be?
- Charles S. Dutton.
- What actor plays you in a movie?
- Kenan Thompson. [both laugh]
- That's a good one.
At least you didn't say Denzel.
[Roy laughs]
And last question, if you weren't in the business
of making people laugh, what do you think you'd be doing?
- Firefighter.
That's where I was headed.
Either firefighting or "Sports Center."
Firefighters get the same hero love as cops.
They get none of the public scrutiny.
You've never looked at a firefighter
and wondered to yourself if he's one of the good ones.
[audience laughs]
- Roy Wood, Jr., thank you for being here, man.
- Man, thank you, brother, good to see you.
- Murv: Good to see you too, man.
- Always a pleasure, man. - Murv: Good stuff.