1 13:30:41,008 --> 13:30:41,842 >> David Crowley pulls 2 13:30:41,909 --> 13:30:42,743 off political 3 13:30:42,809 --> 13:30:43,677 comeback ther 4 13:30:43,744 --> 13:30:44,945 ages. How did 5 13:30:45,012 --> 13:30:45,946 he do and what 6 13:30:46,013 --> 13:30:47,381 does it mean for 7 13:30:47,447 --> 13:30:49,116 November? This is 8 13:30:50,684 --> 13:30:53,353 inside Shawnnsin politics. 9 13:30:56,890 --> 13:30:57,491 Johnson here with my 10 13:30:57,558 --> 13:30:58,392 colleague Zac Schultz 11 13:30:58,458 --> 13:30:59,159 and Rich 12 13:30:59,226 --> 13:30:59,893 Kremer in Eau 13 13:30:59,960 --> 13:31:00,694 Claire. Hey, 14 13:31:00,761 --> 13:31:02,429 guys. >> Hello. 15 13:31:02,796 --> 13:31:03,564 >> So let's 16 13:31:03,630 --> 13:31:04,498 go back just 17 13:31:04,565 --> 13:31:05,232 one month 18 13:31:05,299 --> 13:31:06,700 here. David 19 13:31:06,767 --> 13:31:07,768 Crowley was 20 13:31:07,835 --> 13:31:08,802 not a for governor. 21 13:31:08,869 --> 13:31:09,770 He had 22 13:31:09,837 --> 13:31:10,737 ended campaign, 23 13:31:10,804 --> 13:31:11,939 told its that 24 13:31:12,005 --> 13:31:13,774 was because he knew he 25 13:31:13,841 --> 13:31:15,242 was not going to nominee. 26 13:31:15,309 --> 13:31:16,410 Yesterday, received 27 13:31:16,476 --> 13:31:17,544 315 000 28 13:31:17,611 --> 13:31:18,278 plus votes. 29 13:31:18,345 --> 13:31:19,546 Sorry. Tuesday 30 13:31:19,613 --> 13:31:21,215 he received 315,000 31 13:31:21,281 --> 13:31:22,950 votes. Around 32 13:31:23,750 --> 13:31:24,852 40% of the 33 13:31:24,918 --> 13:31:25,886 Democratic voting 34 13:31:25,953 --> 13:31:27,221 electorate. Zac, 35 13:31:27,287 --> 13:31:27,855 I want to 36 13:31:27,921 --> 13:31:29,122 hear how 37 13:31:29,189 --> 13:31:30,090 he did this. How 38 13:31:30,157 --> 13:31:30,958 did he pull off 39 13:31:31,024 --> 13:31:32,059 this one 40 13:31:32,125 --> 13:31:32,993 month comeback? 41 13:31:33,060 --> 13:31:33,627 >> Well, I 42 13:31:33,694 --> 13:31:34,261 think most 43 13:31:34,328 --> 13:31:34,895 importantly is he didn't 44 13:31:34,962 --> 13:31:35,996 do alone. He 45 13:31:36,063 --> 13:31:36,930 did this with 46 13:31:36,997 --> 13:31:37,865 all of the 47 13:31:37,931 --> 13:31:38,832 team And Iers. 48 13:31:38,899 --> 13:31:39,900 know he doesn't like 49 13:31:39,967 --> 13:31:41,301 the idea of being the 50 13:31:41,368 --> 13:31:42,970 establishment, but the Democratic 51 13:31:43,036 --> 13:31:43,403 establishment what 52 13:31:43,470 --> 13:31:44,271 pushed him 53 13:31:44,338 --> 13:31:45,506 over the line and 54 13:31:45,572 --> 13:31:46,807 pulled him all the way to this 55 13:31:46,874 --> 13:31:47,541 nomination. He 56 13:31:47,608 --> 13:31:48,141 certainly worked for 57 13:31:48,208 --> 13:31:49,343 it. But 58 13:31:49,409 --> 13:31:50,177 Tony Evers coming back 59 13:31:50,244 --> 13:31:51,245 with his endorsement, and 60 13:31:51,311 --> 13:31:52,179 we talked before on this 61 13:31:52,246 --> 13:31:53,413 podcast about how 62 13:31:53,480 --> 13:31:55,048 endorsements aren't everything. But then he 63 13:31:55,115 --> 13:31:56,250 followed up by doing 64 13:31:56,316 --> 13:31:57,885 the Tony Eversim. 65 13:31:57,951 --> 13:31:59,119 campaigning, bringing the media 66 13:31:59,186 --> 13:31:59,653 attention to every 67 13:31:59,720 --> 13:32:00,420 one of David 68 13:32:00,487 --> 13:32:01,722 Crowley stops 69 13:32:01,788 --> 13:32:03,390 along the way was because it got 70 13:32:03,457 --> 13:32:04,391 him on more television 71 13:32:04,458 --> 13:32:05,092 sets, more newscasts, 72 13:32:05,158 --> 13:32:06,326 got people 73 13:32:06,393 --> 13:32:07,694 aware that there were 74 13:32:07,761 --> 13:32:08,595 contrasts in this 75 13:32:08,662 --> 13:32:09,696 race, that wasn't a 76 13:32:09,763 --> 13:32:11,532 runaway, if Crowley 77 13:32:11,598 --> 13:32:13,367 had a chance, thinkingto be 78 13:32:13,433 --> 13:32:15,402 about it. I can't tell you how many 79 13:32:15,469 --> 13:32:17,371 people I in just the last 80 13:32:17,437 --> 13:32:19,573 week who said they made upt 81 13:32:19,640 --> 13:32:20,874 their minds. They were still undecided 82 13:32:20,941 --> 13:32:21,642 going into 83 13:32:21,708 --> 13:32:22,543 the final few 84 13:32:22,609 --> 13:32:23,644 days, where they had 85 13:32:23,710 --> 13:32:24,945 a decide this 86 13:32:25,012 --> 13:32:25,579 election. And it's 87 13:32:25,646 --> 13:32:26,446 clear a lot 88 13:32:26,513 --> 13:32:27,748 of them went to 89 13:32:27,814 --> 13:32:29,550 David >> Rich, what's 90 13:32:29,616 --> 13:32:30,617 your onake 91 13:32:30,684 --> 13:32:32,119 this dramatic 92 13:32:32,186 --> 13:32:33,220 comeback here by 93 13:32:33,287 --> 13:32:34,955 Crowley? >> Well, 94 13:32:35,422 --> 13:32:36,290 it was remarkable. 95 13:32:36,356 --> 13:32:37,157 It was 96 13:32:37,224 --> 13:32:38,158 not expected. 97 13:32:38,225 --> 13:32:38,792 I mean, I 98 13:32:38,859 --> 13:32:39,660 was I 99 13:32:39,726 --> 13:32:40,494 was fully on 100 13:32:40,561 --> 13:32:41,161 board with these 101 13:32:41,228 --> 13:32:42,162 polls weret we 102 13:32:42,229 --> 13:32:43,897 seeing showing 103 13:32:44,598 --> 13:32:45,365 Francesca Hong way ahead. 104 13:32:45,432 --> 13:32:46,567 But I do 105 13:32:46,633 --> 13:32:47,134 remember, you know, 106 13:32:47,201 --> 13:32:48,001 what Zac just 107 13:32:48,068 --> 13:32:48,435 mentioned reminded 108 13:32:48,502 --> 13:32:50,204 me of 109 13:32:50,270 --> 13:32:51,205 talking with Charles 110 13:32:51,271 --> 13:32:51,939 Franklin, and he 111 13:32:52,005 --> 13:32:52,639 essentially said, 112 13:32:52,706 --> 13:32:53,173 well, there are 113 13:32:53,240 --> 13:32:54,508 a lot of 114 13:32:54,575 --> 13:32:55,175 undecided people 115 13:32:55,242 --> 13:32:56,210 out there. But, 116 13:32:56,276 --> 13:32:57,177 you know, with 117 13:32:57,244 --> 13:32:58,011 hung at 118 13:32:58,078 --> 13:32:58,612 the, you know, 119 13:32:58,679 --> 13:32:59,513 20, 30 120 13:32:59,580 --> 13:33:00,247 points ahead that 121 13:33:00,314 --> 13:33:01,348 we'd seen in some 122 13:33:01,415 --> 13:33:02,349 polls, it takeld 123 13:33:02,416 --> 13:33:03,183 essentially every 124 13:33:03,250 --> 13:33:04,151 undecided person, you 125 13:33:04,218 --> 13:33:04,751 know, rallying 126 13:33:04,818 --> 13:33:05,586 behind one 127 13:33:05,652 --> 13:33:06,453 candidate when he 128 13:33:06,520 --> 13:33:07,721 told me that it 129 13:33:07,788 --> 13:33:08,555 wasn't, you 130 13:33:08,622 --> 13:33:09,256 know, we still had 131 13:33:09,323 --> 13:33:10,057 other candidates 132 13:33:10,123 --> 13:33:11,158 like the race.n 133 13:33:11,225 --> 13:33:12,392 So it 134 13:33:12,459 --> 13:33:13,427 does appear 135 13:33:13,493 --> 13:33:14,161 that the end 136 13:33:14,228 --> 13:33:15,963 of undecided 137 13:33:16,029 --> 13:33:17,698 voters did make 138 13:33:17,764 --> 13:33:18,432 a decision 139 13:33:18,498 --> 13:33:20,300 and went out. 140 13:33:20,367 --> 13:33:21,835 So it was it 141 13:33:21,902 --> 13:33:22,769 was just something else. And being at 142 13:33:22,836 --> 13:33:23,904 a Republican 143 13:33:23,971 --> 13:33:24,571 event on Tuesday 144 13:33:24,638 --> 13:33:26,139 night was 145 13:33:26,206 --> 13:33:27,074 interesting because of the reactions 146 13:33:27,140 --> 13:33:27,908 that I saw 147 13:33:27,975 --> 13:33:29,076 from people. 148 13:33:29,142 --> 13:33:30,310 talk about those polls 149 13:33:30,377 --> 13:33:31,945 just a little bit more, because I can 150 13:33:32,012 --> 13:33:32,579 imagine somebody 151 13:33:32,646 --> 13:33:33,280 sitting at home 152 13:33:33,347 --> 13:33:34,348 and thinking, 153 13:33:34,414 --> 13:33:35,048 hey, you 154 13:33:35,115 --> 13:33:35,949 know, the 155 13:33:36,016 --> 13:33:37,084 news presented this to 156 13:33:37,150 --> 13:33:38,819 me as 157 13:33:39,319 --> 13:33:40,787 Francesca Hong victory, you 158 13:33:40,854 --> 13:33:41,555 know, weeks 159 13:33:41,622 --> 13:33:42,689 ago essentially, that 160 13:33:42,756 --> 13:33:43,557 there these 161 13:33:43,624 --> 13:33:44,024 repeated thatls 162 13:33:44,091 --> 13:33:45,292 showed her 163 13:33:45,359 --> 13:33:46,260 leading and that gave 164 13:33:46,326 --> 13:33:47,461 the clear impression 165 13:33:47,528 --> 13:33:48,595 that, you sheow, 166 13:33:48,662 --> 13:33:49,730 was going to win thing. 167 13:33:49,796 --> 13:33:51,031 Zac. I 168 13:33:51,098 --> 13:33:51,598 mean, what would 169 13:33:51,665 --> 13:33:53,467 you say to someone 170 13:33:53,534 --> 13:33:54,234 with with those 171 13:33:54,301 --> 13:33:55,369 qualms about the 172 13:33:55,435 --> 13:33:56,103 information they were 173 13:33:56,170 --> 13:33:56,703 receiving? >> They are 174 13:33:56,770 --> 13:33:57,671 right to have 175 13:33:57,738 --> 13:33:58,505 qualms about polling. 176 13:33:58,572 --> 13:33:59,173 Everyone should 177 13:33:59,239 --> 13:33:59,973 always take 178 13:34:00,040 --> 13:34:01,375 polling with a grain 179 13:34:01,441 --> 13:34:02,376 of say that.s the 180 13:34:02,442 --> 13:34:03,110 But the thing 181 13:34:03,177 --> 13:34:04,011 that most 182 13:34:04,077 --> 13:34:05,045 people I think get 183 13:34:05,112 --> 13:34:05,913 wrong about what polls 184 13:34:05,979 --> 13:34:07,247 are is 185 13:34:07,314 --> 13:34:07,748 even Charles Franklin 186 13:34:07,814 --> 13:34:08,482 will say 187 13:34:08,549 --> 13:34:09,616 it. They a snapshot of 188 13:34:09,683 --> 13:34:10,617 that moment. 189 13:34:10,684 --> 13:34:11,518 So the 190 13:34:11,585 --> 13:34:12,753 mistake I think some 191 13:34:12,819 --> 13:34:13,554 people make is think polling 192 13:34:13,620 --> 13:34:14,288 is like 193 13:34:14,354 --> 13:34:14,988 the the 194 13:34:15,055 --> 13:34:15,455 score of a 195 13:34:15,522 --> 13:34:16,423 game in the 196 13:34:16,490 --> 13:34:16,823 third quarter. 197 13:34:16,890 --> 13:34:17,324 They say, 198 13:34:17,391 --> 13:34:17,925 oh, well, 199 13:34:17,991 --> 13:34:19,126 hangs up 21 200 13:34:19,193 --> 13:34:19,860 points. It's like the 201 13:34:19,927 --> 13:34:21,128 Packers being up 21 202 13:34:21,195 --> 13:34:22,796 points. should have this in 203 13:34:22,863 --> 13:34:24,598 the bag. If they a complete 204 13:34:24,665 --> 13:34:25,566 colossal failure. But 205 13:34:25,632 --> 13:34:26,433 you have to think 206 13:34:26,500 --> 13:34:27,167 of those 207 13:34:27,234 --> 13:34:28,902 polls that fewme out a 208 13:34:28,969 --> 13:34:30,971 weeks ago as more like a preseason 209 13:34:31,038 --> 13:34:32,940 game. They theapshot of where 210 13:34:33,006 --> 13:34:34,675 race looked at that time. The real game 211 13:34:34,741 --> 13:34:35,609 was on night,n 212 13:34:35,676 --> 13:34:36,210 and at that 213 13:34:36,276 --> 13:34:36,944 point , it 214 13:34:37,010 --> 13:34:37,711 was a toss 215 13:34:37,778 --> 13:34:38,445 up because 216 13:34:38,512 --> 13:34:39,279 so many more 217 13:34:39,346 --> 13:34:40,414 people been 218 13:34:40,480 --> 13:34:41,081 changing their minds 219 13:34:41,148 --> 13:34:42,015 and moving to Crowley, 220 13:34:42,082 --> 13:34:42,916 and the polls 221 13:34:42,983 --> 13:34:43,584 weren't updated to be 222 13:34:43,650 --> 13:34:44,518 able reflect 223 13:34:44,585 --> 13:34:45,185 that. So 224 13:34:45,252 --> 13:34:46,453 if you think of 225 13:34:46,520 --> 13:34:47,821 the polls as a snapshot and not 226 13:34:47,888 --> 13:34:48,488 reality and not a 227 13:34:48,555 --> 13:34:49,523 score on the 228 13:34:49,590 --> 13:34:50,657 board, they 229 13:34:50,724 --> 13:34:51,391 are a little 230 13:34:51,458 --> 13:34:52,092 better guide 231 13:34:52,159 --> 13:34:53,026 Pfaff to 232 13:34:53,093 --> 13:34:53,827 what situation may 233 13:34:53,894 --> 13:34:54,761 be, and 234 13:34:54,828 --> 13:34:55,295 I everyone 235 13:34:55,362 --> 13:34:57,130 should note 236 13:34:57,197 --> 13:34:58,599 Francesca Hong she wasg said 237 13:34:58,665 --> 13:34:59,666 going to get 40%, 238 13:34:59,733 --> 13:35:00,667 she got 40%. And that 239 13:35:00,734 --> 13:35:01,902 was, you 240 13:35:01,969 --> 13:35:02,569 know, considering 241 13:35:02,636 --> 13:35:03,303 that primary 242 13:35:03,370 --> 13:35:03,971 polling has an 243 13:35:04,037 --> 13:35:04,638 even larger 244 13:35:04,705 --> 13:35:05,472 margin of 245 13:35:05,539 --> 13:35:06,540 error, thee 246 13:35:06,607 --> 13:35:07,040 polls really 247 13:35:07,107 --> 13:35:08,008 got her 248 13:35:08,075 --> 13:35:08,709 support correct. 249 13:35:08,775 --> 13:35:09,510 And they did 250 13:35:09,576 --> 13:35:10,878 reflect the amount of 251 13:35:10,944 --> 13:35:11,578 undecideds. It is 252 13:35:11,645 --> 13:35:12,346 rare see 253 13:35:12,412 --> 13:35:13,580 all the undecideds 254 13:35:13,647 --> 13:35:14,915 go second place 255 13:35:14,982 --> 13:35:15,749 candidate, but I think 256 13:35:15,816 --> 13:35:17,751 that goes more to what we 257 13:35:17,818 --> 13:35:19,186 were establishment telling 258 13:35:19,253 --> 13:35:20,187 everyone this has to 259 13:35:20,254 --> 13:35:20,921 happen in the 260 13:35:20,988 --> 13:35:21,955 context of what 261 13:35:22,022 --> 13:35:22,623 had in the Michigan 262 13:35:22,689 --> 13:35:23,423 Senate race 263 13:35:23,490 --> 13:35:24,558 and all these 264 13:35:24,625 --> 13:35:25,425 national figureheads 265 13:35:25,492 --> 13:35:26,827 coming Wisconsin. It 266 13:35:26,894 --> 13:35:27,361 really a lot 267 13:35:27,427 --> 13:35:28,462 of people 268 13:35:28,529 --> 13:35:29,429 thinking, this ist, 269 13:35:29,496 --> 13:35:31,498 not just about who I like 270 13:35:31,565 --> 13:35:33,233 the most abouting. This is 271 13:35:33,300 --> 13:35:33,734 electability. >> Yeah. 272 13:35:33,800 --> 13:35:34,568 I think 273 13:35:34,635 --> 13:35:35,235 the youint 274 13:35:35,302 --> 13:35:36,103 made, there 275 13:35:36,170 --> 13:35:37,437 is something 276 13:35:37,504 --> 13:35:38,205 I want to 277 13:35:38,272 --> 13:35:39,239 impress upon 278 13:35:39,306 --> 13:35:40,007 myself and all 279 13:35:40,073 --> 13:35:41,175 reporters for 280 13:35:41,241 --> 13:35:42,910 future elections 281 13:35:43,243 --> 13:35:44,845 that the 282 13:35:44,912 --> 13:35:45,779 undecided number is pretty significant. 283 13:35:45,846 --> 13:35:46,513 I think, even 284 13:35:46,580 --> 13:35:47,414 looking back and 285 13:35:47,481 --> 13:35:48,715 we're going to talk about 286 13:35:48,782 --> 13:35:49,983 today, 2016, there 287 13:35:50,050 --> 13:35:51,852 was a of talk about where 288 13:35:51,919 --> 13:35:53,720 the werong. I think 289 13:35:54,121 --> 13:35:56,089 didn't talk about the undecided voters or the 290 13:35:56,156 --> 13:35:58,025 people who wouldn't commit in the presidential race 291 13:35:58,091 --> 13:36:00,060 that year. That's another one that sticks out 292 13:36:00,127 --> 13:36:01,528 in our underscores that 293 13:36:01,595 --> 13:36:02,229 a candidate 294 13:36:02,296 --> 13:36:03,430 can win all 295 13:36:03,497 --> 13:36:04,097 those, David 296 13:36:04,164 --> 13:36:05,566 Crowley did. 297 13:36:05,632 --> 13:36:06,133 But him to 298 13:36:06,200 --> 13:36:07,868 do that, 299 13:36:08,435 --> 13:36:09,036 Rich, you 300 13:36:09,102 --> 13:36:10,137 just do not 301 13:36:10,204 --> 13:36:11,572 see that 302 13:36:11,638 --> 13:36:12,773 level of 303 13:36:12,840 --> 13:36:13,340 surge at the end 304 13:36:13,407 --> 13:36:14,575 by one 305 13:36:14,641 --> 13:36:16,009 candidate. How 306 13:36:16,076 --> 13:36:17,044 big think 307 13:36:17,110 --> 13:36:17,711 was Governor Tony 308 13:36:17,778 --> 13:36:18,946 Evers in this 309 13:36:19,012 --> 13:36:20,814 instance? >> Well, 310 13:36:21,648 --> 13:36:22,449 obviously it bigs a 311 13:36:22,516 --> 13:36:23,984 deal, which is 312 13:36:24,051 --> 13:36:24,585 interesting because 313 13:36:24,651 --> 13:36:25,419 looking back 314 13:36:25,485 --> 13:36:25,919 to a poll that 315 13:36:25,986 --> 13:36:26,687 we had 316 13:36:26,753 --> 13:36:27,855 before the 317 13:36:27,921 --> 13:36:28,856 primary, you 318 13:36:28,922 --> 13:36:29,823 know, the 319 13:36:29,890 --> 13:36:30,757 Marquette University Law 320 13:36:30,824 --> 13:36:31,491 School asked 321 13:36:31,558 --> 13:36:32,559 people, how much 322 13:36:32,626 --> 13:36:33,227 does Governor 323 13:36:33,293 --> 13:36:34,328 Evers endorsement 324 13:36:34,394 --> 13:36:35,395 of David Crowley 325 13:36:35,462 --> 13:36:36,463 impact your 326 13:36:36,530 --> 13:36:37,564 decision? And 327 13:36:37,631 --> 13:36:38,665 majority said 328 13:36:38,732 --> 13:36:39,700 it didn't, but 329 13:36:39,766 --> 13:36:40,567 clearly it 330 13:36:40,634 --> 13:36:41,902 did. But what 331 13:36:41,969 --> 13:36:42,970 also might 332 13:36:43,036 --> 13:36:43,804 have impacted 333 13:36:43,871 --> 13:36:45,172 and didobably 334 13:36:45,239 --> 13:36:45,906 impact those 335 13:36:45,973 --> 13:36:47,441 undecided voters 336 13:36:47,508 --> 13:36:48,408 decision to get 337 13:36:48,475 --> 13:36:49,309 behind Crowley 338 13:36:49,376 --> 13:36:50,177 was a 339 13:36:50,244 --> 13:36:51,211 big surge 340 13:36:51,278 --> 13:36:52,513 of campaign 341 13:36:52,579 --> 13:36:53,981 TV advertising. 342 13:36:54,047 --> 13:36:55,716 So ad which is a 343 13:36:56,116 --> 13:36:57,451 great service, and 344 13:36:57,518 --> 13:36:57,885 they put out 345 13:36:57,951 --> 13:36:58,752 a tweet 346 13:36:58,819 --> 13:36:59,653 and it 347 13:36:59,720 --> 13:37:00,087 showed, you know, 348 13:37:00,153 --> 13:37:00,888 a line 349 13:37:00,954 --> 13:37:01,788 graph of different 350 13:37:01,855 --> 13:37:02,356 candidates and 351 13:37:02,422 --> 13:37:03,156 what they 352 13:37:03,223 --> 13:37:03,824 were spending 353 13:37:03,891 --> 13:37:04,725 on ads 354 13:37:04,791 --> 13:37:05,692 right up to the 355 13:37:05,759 --> 13:37:06,426 election. And 356 13:37:06,493 --> 13:37:07,127 there's just 357 13:37:07,194 --> 13:37:07,828 one blue line 358 13:37:07,895 --> 13:37:08,629 that that 359 13:37:08,695 --> 13:37:09,563 goes straight up 360 13:37:09,630 --> 13:37:10,364 like Mount Everest and 361 13:37:10,430 --> 13:37:11,098 then crashes 362 13:37:11,164 --> 13:37:11,899 back down. Well, that 363 13:37:11,965 --> 13:37:13,600 is David 364 13:37:13,667 --> 13:37:14,268 Crowley. So it 365 13:37:14,334 --> 13:37:15,068 looked like 366 13:37:15,135 --> 13:37:15,869 something maybe 367 13:37:15,936 --> 13:37:17,171 upwards of $1 million 368 13:37:17,237 --> 13:37:18,438 in that 369 13:37:18,505 --> 13:37:19,373 last those final 370 13:37:19,439 --> 13:37:20,073 days. And I 371 13:37:20,140 --> 13:37:20,707 was talking 372 13:37:20,774 --> 13:37:21,642 with a 373 13:37:21,708 --> 13:37:23,043 friend of the podcast, 374 13:37:23,110 --> 13:37:24,044 Anthony Chergosky, 375 13:37:24,111 --> 13:37:24,678 today, he 376 13:37:24,745 --> 13:37:26,480 said, TV, 377 13:37:26,547 --> 13:37:28,215 ad TV 378 13:37:28,815 --> 13:37:29,516 advertising does 379 13:37:29,583 --> 13:37:30,150 matter. still 380 13:37:30,217 --> 13:37:31,084 matters because 381 13:37:31,151 --> 13:37:31,652 there discussions 382 13:37:31,718 --> 13:37:32,319 about whether or 383 13:37:32,386 --> 13:37:32,986 not, you 384 13:37:33,053 --> 13:37:34,288 know, Hong's 385 13:37:34,354 --> 13:37:35,622 success in the polls 386 13:37:35,689 --> 13:37:36,590 without spending 387 13:37:36,657 --> 13:37:37,324 any ononey 388 13:37:37,391 --> 13:37:38,425 TV ads. 389 13:37:38,492 --> 13:37:39,326 I was seeing 390 13:37:39,393 --> 13:37:40,494 people saying, well, maybe 391 13:37:40,561 --> 13:37:42,129 this is the new the oldaybe 392 13:37:42,196 --> 13:37:43,397 model is dead. 393 13:37:43,463 --> 13:37:44,631 Chergosky doesn't see it 394 13:37:44,698 --> 13:37:46,166 that way. And he ad impactat 395 13:37:46,233 --> 13:37:46,700 graph proves 396 13:37:46,767 --> 13:37:48,035 it. >> And 397 13:37:48,101 --> 13:37:48,936 I think 398 13:37:49,002 --> 13:37:49,970 that those ads 399 13:37:50,037 --> 13:37:51,271 come at a time, 400 13:37:51,338 --> 13:37:53,507 or they a time when all 401 13:37:53,574 --> 13:37:55,175 these people who were paying attention to 402 13:37:55,242 --> 13:37:57,177 this started paying 403 13:37:57,244 --> 13:37:58,145 attention. They came righthe 404 13:37:58,212 --> 13:37:59,313 time for David 405 13:37:59,379 --> 13:38:01,048 Crowley, >> So, Shawn, 406 13:38:01,114 --> 13:38:02,416 I want to get your feedback here. 407 13:38:02,482 --> 13:38:03,684 So we've talked on this 408 13:38:03,750 --> 13:38:05,352 podcast about 409 13:38:05,419 --> 13:38:06,687 Francesca Thanksgiving 410 13:38:06,753 --> 13:38:08,589 tweets were things that 411 13:38:08,655 --> 13:38:10,490 coming up out of past. Give me 412 13:38:10,557 --> 13:38:11,525 your Crowley's of 413 13:38:11,592 --> 13:38:12,459 ascent with 414 13:38:12,526 --> 13:38:12,960 everyone rallying 415 13:38:13,026 --> 13:38:13,961 behind him, 416 13:38:14,027 --> 13:38:15,095 including the money, and 417 13:38:15,162 --> 13:38:16,463 then the way 418 13:38:16,530 --> 13:38:17,397 Francesca Hong handled the 419 13:38:17,464 --> 13:38:18,165 amount of 420 13:38:18,232 --> 13:38:19,032 national attention she 421 13:38:19,099 --> 13:38:19,800 was getting, 422 13:38:19,867 --> 13:38:20,501 questions about 423 13:38:20,567 --> 13:38:21,268 her past 424 13:38:21,335 --> 13:38:22,002 that really 425 13:38:22,069 --> 13:38:22,703 hadn't been 426 13:38:22,769 --> 13:38:23,470 pushed on her 427 13:38:23,537 --> 13:38:24,705 early in the 428 13:38:24,771 --> 13:38:25,305 campaign, and certainly 429 13:38:25,372 --> 13:38:26,206 not by the other 430 13:38:26,273 --> 13:38:27,774 campaigns, as we saw a 431 13:38:27,841 --> 13:38:28,909 very friendly debate. 432 13:38:28,976 --> 13:38:30,344 So how much of 433 13:38:30,410 --> 13:38:32,412 an impact do you played with 434 13:38:32,479 --> 13:38:34,181 those undecided the last week or 435 13:38:34,248 --> 13:38:36,116 two? national window 436 13:38:36,183 --> 13:38:37,117 for our just so 437 13:38:37,184 --> 13:38:37,918 brief. There 438 13:38:37,985 --> 13:38:39,086 were national 439 13:38:39,152 --> 13:38:39,686 media paying 440 13:38:39,753 --> 13:38:40,420 attention to 441 13:38:40,487 --> 13:38:41,121 Michigan before 442 13:38:41,188 --> 13:38:42,456 us, and all 443 13:38:42,523 --> 13:38:44,124 of a sudden we were the next big 444 13:38:44,191 --> 13:38:44,725 thing. I think 445 13:38:44,791 --> 13:38:45,425 it's fair to 446 13:38:45,492 --> 13:38:46,159 argue about 447 13:38:46,226 --> 13:38:46,894 whether or not 448 13:38:46,960 --> 13:38:48,462 people should 449 13:38:48,529 --> 13:38:49,329 focus on a fromet 450 13:38:49,396 --> 13:38:50,030 2020, but 451 13:38:50,097 --> 13:38:51,198 they did. 452 13:38:51,265 --> 13:38:51,798 I visiting 453 13:38:51,865 --> 13:38:53,233 my dad the 454 13:38:53,300 --> 13:38:54,168 weekend before the Helection. 455 13:38:54,234 --> 13:38:54,801 lives in Illinois. 456 13:38:54,868 --> 13:38:55,469 He watches all 457 13:38:55,536 --> 13:38:56,303 the Sunday 458 13:38:56,370 --> 13:38:58,005 shows religiously, 459 13:38:58,071 --> 13:38:58,739 and every one 460 13:38:58,805 --> 13:38:59,573 of them 461 13:38:59,640 --> 13:39:00,707 talked about that 462 13:39:00,774 --> 13:39:01,808 Thanksgiving tweet. 463 13:39:01,875 --> 13:39:02,809 My dad doesn't know 464 13:39:02,876 --> 13:39:03,844 who Francesca Hong is 465 13:39:03,911 --> 13:39:05,078 or orid Crowley 466 13:39:05,145 --> 13:39:05,913 much about race inrnor's 467 13:39:05,979 --> 13:39:06,713 Wisconsin, but 468 13:39:06,780 --> 13:39:07,748 he got an earful 469 13:39:07,814 --> 13:39:08,782 about that tweet 470 13:39:08,849 --> 13:39:09,983 that weekend. 471 13:39:10,050 --> 13:39:11,084 And if he'd been 472 13:39:11,151 --> 13:39:12,319 watching those inhows 473 13:39:12,386 --> 13:39:13,187 Wisconsin, he would have 474 13:39:13,253 --> 13:39:14,454 been seeing ads in 475 13:39:14,521 --> 13:39:15,656 between saying to vote for 476 13:39:15,722 --> 13:39:16,723 David Crowley. 477 13:39:16,790 --> 13:39:17,457 So that stuff 478 13:39:17,524 --> 13:39:18,258 matters and the 479 13:39:18,325 --> 13:39:19,326 timing matters. 480 13:39:19,393 --> 13:39:20,127 And she did 481 13:39:20,194 --> 13:39:21,094 have aboutwer 482 13:39:21,161 --> 13:39:22,396 that tweet came 483 13:39:22,462 --> 13:39:24,064 later that kind shrugged it off and 484 13:39:24,131 --> 13:39:25,032 said, I'll be 485 13:39:25,098 --> 13:39:26,300 I'll be I'mank. 486 13:39:26,366 --> 13:39:27,668 a curmudgeon when it comes to the 487 13:39:27,734 --> 13:39:28,735 holidays. butt 488 13:39:28,802 --> 13:39:30,070 I love Thanksgiving. 489 13:39:30,137 --> 13:39:30,771 It's not what 490 13:39:30,838 --> 13:39:31,505 she said at 491 13:39:31,572 --> 13:39:32,472 first. At first 492 13:39:32,539 --> 13:39:33,307 she kind stood by 493 13:39:33,373 --> 13:39:35,042 it. And, 494 13:39:35,542 --> 13:39:36,210 you know, I 495 13:39:36,276 --> 13:39:36,810 know this stuff 496 13:39:36,877 --> 13:39:37,578 is is sort 497 13:39:37,644 --> 13:39:39,313 of dumb, 498 13:39:39,913 --> 13:39:40,514 arguably, but it's 499 13:39:40,581 --> 13:39:41,215 how elections 500 13:39:41,281 --> 13:39:42,182 are andn 501 13:39:42,249 --> 13:39:43,283 lost. And 502 13:39:43,350 --> 13:39:44,151 so in 503 13:39:44,218 --> 13:39:45,152 a race that was 504 13:39:45,219 --> 13:39:46,053 won in this 505 13:39:46,119 --> 13:39:46,854 case David Crowley 506 13:39:46,920 --> 13:39:48,422 by 4000 507 13:39:48,488 --> 13:39:49,456 votes, a little 508 13:39:49,523 --> 13:39:50,591 less stuff 509 13:39:50,657 --> 13:39:51,291 like that can 510 13:39:51,358 --> 13:39:53,026 matter. Rich. 511 13:39:53,527 --> 13:39:54,494 >> If I could 512 13:39:54,561 --> 13:39:55,229 chime in, I've 513 13:39:55,295 --> 13:39:56,430 seen some 514 13:39:56,496 --> 13:39:57,764 pundits online 515 13:39:57,831 --> 13:39:58,432 talking about, 516 13:39:58,498 --> 13:39:59,933 well, Hong's 517 13:40:00,000 --> 13:40:00,701 campaign collapsed 518 13:40:00,767 --> 13:40:01,869 at the very final 519 13:40:01,935 --> 13:40:03,003 moments because of the 520 13:40:03,070 --> 13:40:04,137 way handled those 521 13:40:04,204 --> 13:40:05,572 media interviews at the 522 13:40:05,639 --> 13:40:06,240 national level. I want 523 13:40:06,306 --> 13:40:07,608 to of you,th 524 13:40:07,674 --> 13:40:08,175 Shawn and Zac, 525 13:40:08,242 --> 13:40:09,009 did you see 526 13:40:09,076 --> 13:40:10,110 her campaign, you 527 13:40:10,177 --> 13:40:10,978 know, at the very final 528 13:40:11,044 --> 13:40:12,179 stages as 529 13:40:12,246 --> 13:40:13,614 a collapse or an 530 13:40:13,680 --> 13:40:15,349 implosion? >> I 531 13:40:16,016 --> 13:40:17,017 think it's say,der to 532 13:40:17,084 --> 13:40:18,852 because thee did hit 533 13:40:18,919 --> 13:40:20,554 polling mark that she was at. If she 534 13:40:20,621 --> 13:40:21,288 came in significant 535 13:40:21,355 --> 13:40:23,023 below, significantly 536 13:40:23,090 --> 13:40:23,657 below people 537 13:40:23,724 --> 13:40:24,458 were talking 538 13:40:24,525 --> 13:40:25,225 that would 539 13:40:25,292 --> 13:40:26,193 receive, then you 540 13:40:26,260 --> 13:40:26,793 could wonder, 541 13:40:26,860 --> 13:40:27,194 did some of 542 13:40:27,261 --> 13:40:28,095 those soft 543 13:40:28,161 --> 13:40:28,795 Hong supporters 544 13:40:28,862 --> 13:40:29,630 disappear and leave 545 13:40:29,696 --> 13:40:31,565 her at the end? But we 546 13:40:31,632 --> 13:40:33,534 didn't see hit the marks that 547 13:40:33,600 --> 13:40:35,302 all the polling said had along the 548 13:40:35,369 --> 13:40:36,670 way. The isference 549 13:40:36,737 --> 13:40:38,338 the people minds up their 550 13:40:38,405 --> 13:40:39,173 chose thinkwhere. I 551 13:40:39,239 --> 13:40:40,340 those were about 552 13:40:40,407 --> 13:40:40,941 electability concerns. 553 13:40:41,008 --> 13:40:41,675 I there 554 13:40:41,742 --> 13:40:43,210 are legitimate 555 13:40:43,277 --> 13:40:44,778 questions about how she answered those 556 13:40:44,845 --> 13:40:45,712 questions national 557 13:40:45,779 --> 13:40:46,313 spotlight on 558 13:40:46,380 --> 13:40:47,414 her, and 559 13:40:47,481 --> 13:40:48,549 whether the 560 13:40:48,615 --> 13:40:50,584 people in had beenin that 561 13:40:50,651 --> 13:40:52,085 paying attention abouthink more 562 13:40:52,152 --> 13:40:53,554 electability than about 563 13:40:53,620 --> 13:40:54,321 policy. But I 564 13:40:54,388 --> 13:40:55,489 don't know if 565 13:40:55,556 --> 13:40:56,356 collapse is right 566 13:40:56,423 --> 13:40:57,157 word when gote's still 567 13:40:57,224 --> 13:40:58,292 40% of the 568 13:40:58,358 --> 13:41:00,494 vote or thereabouts. And that's a 569 13:41:00,561 --> 13:41:01,528 really strong showing from any candidate, especially 570 13:41:01,595 --> 13:41:02,329 someone from 571 13:41:02,396 --> 13:41:02,963 her whockground 572 13:41:03,030 --> 13:41:03,630 doesn't have a 573 13:41:03,697 --> 13:41:04,364 long track 574 13:41:04,431 --> 13:41:05,933 record of 575 13:41:05,999 --> 13:41:07,734 politics in Wisconsin and hasn't spent 576 13:41:07,801 --> 13:41:08,569 a long time developing 577 13:41:08,635 --> 13:41:09,236 those relations 578 13:41:09,303 --> 13:41:10,170 around the state. So 579 13:41:10,237 --> 13:41:10,904 she had a very 580 13:41:10,971 --> 13:41:11,705 impressive showing 581 13:41:11,772 --> 13:41:13,040 from context. 582 13:41:13,106 --> 13:41:14,474 >> And I think 583 13:41:14,541 --> 13:41:15,242 there are just 584 13:41:15,309 --> 13:41:15,876 choices in the way 585 13:41:15,943 --> 13:41:16,877 that she ran 586 13:41:16,944 --> 13:41:17,711 her race 587 13:41:17,778 --> 13:41:18,879 in days.osing 588 13:41:18,946 --> 13:41:20,147 I mean, on television 589 13:41:20,214 --> 13:41:20,981 was a 590 13:41:21,048 --> 13:41:21,715 choice. I know 591 13:41:21,782 --> 13:41:23,050 TV is free, 592 13:41:23,116 --> 13:41:25,219 and she didn't have ton of money. 593 13:41:25,285 --> 13:41:26,987 And the money Crowley to David 594 13:41:27,054 --> 13:41:29,156 there at the end. So it's not like 595 13:41:29,223 --> 13:41:31,024 she could runr fingers and 596 13:41:31,091 --> 13:41:33,260 TV ads. But she a campaign 597 13:41:33,327 --> 13:41:35,262 in different you'renow, when 598 13:41:35,329 --> 13:41:37,130 trying to reach primaryf casual 599 13:41:37,197 --> 13:41:38,198 voters, maybe older in the closing 600 13:41:38,265 --> 13:41:39,099 days, she 601 13:41:39,166 --> 13:41:40,234 didn't have a strategy 602 13:41:40,300 --> 13:41:41,268 for that or the resources 603 13:41:41,335 --> 13:41:42,870 for that in the way that 604 13:41:42,936 --> 13:41:44,137 Crowley did. It's also a 605 13:41:44,204 --> 13:41:45,138 choice. I know it's her 606 13:41:45,205 --> 13:41:46,273 community and she 607 13:41:46,340 --> 13:41:47,007 felt passionate about 608 13:41:47,074 --> 13:41:48,041 it, but ist 609 13:41:48,108 --> 13:41:49,443 a choice to go 610 13:41:49,510 --> 13:41:51,111 to the a shooting and call 611 13:41:51,178 --> 13:41:51,945 it an execution over 612 13:41:52,012 --> 13:41:52,613 a bullhorn, 613 13:41:52,679 --> 13:41:53,614 as she did in 614 13:41:53,680 --> 13:41:55,115 the days of the race. 615 13:41:55,182 --> 13:41:55,749 That gets attention. 616 13:41:55,816 --> 13:41:56,149 And she 617 13:41:56,216 --> 13:41:57,184 said in a 618 13:41:57,251 --> 13:41:58,085 debate, she wouldn't do 619 13:41:58,151 --> 13:41:59,453 that as governor. 620 13:41:59,520 --> 13:42:00,721 She did it as 621 13:42:00,787 --> 13:42:01,588 a governor,for 622 13:42:01,655 --> 13:42:03,457 though. So those are 623 13:42:03,524 --> 13:42:04,258 choices. I think 624 13:42:04,324 --> 13:42:05,192 another debatable 625 13:42:05,259 --> 13:42:06,660 thing in this 626 13:42:06,727 --> 13:42:08,095 campaign is the role these 627 13:42:08,161 --> 13:42:09,229 Republican ads 628 13:42:09,296 --> 13:42:10,664 attacking Hong 629 13:42:10,731 --> 13:42:12,699 played. These were 630 13:42:12,766 --> 13:42:13,967 run the Republican 631 13:42:14,034 --> 13:42:15,903 Governors Association 632 13:42:15,969 --> 13:42:16,670 and the 633 13:42:16,737 --> 13:42:17,471 going theory 634 13:42:17,538 --> 13:42:19,206 among Democrats, 635 13:42:20,574 --> 13:42:21,441 Democrats who didn't want 636 13:42:21,508 --> 13:42:22,576 Hong to be the 637 13:42:22,643 --> 13:42:23,544 nominee was these 638 13:42:23,610 --> 13:42:24,311 were there to prop 639 13:42:24,378 --> 13:42:25,512 her up, 640 13:42:25,579 --> 13:42:26,246 that they going to 641 13:42:26,313 --> 13:42:27,848 run thesee ads in 642 13:42:27,915 --> 13:42:29,116 Milwaukee and Madison 643 13:42:29,183 --> 13:42:30,150 media markets where all 644 13:42:30,217 --> 13:42:30,651 these Democratic voters 645 13:42:30,717 --> 13:42:31,852 are and 646 13:42:31,919 --> 13:42:32,719 say she's too 647 13:42:32,786 --> 13:42:34,221 liberal Wisconsin, 648 13:42:34,288 --> 13:42:35,422 and that Democratic voters 649 13:42:35,489 --> 13:42:36,590 would see That'sliberal. 650 13:42:36,657 --> 13:42:38,559 my that's my choice. 651 13:42:39,393 --> 13:42:40,027 Zac, would you 652 13:42:40,093 --> 13:42:40,727 say theat's 653 13:42:40,794 --> 13:42:41,361 effect that 654 13:42:41,428 --> 13:42:41,695 it had, 655 13:42:41,762 --> 13:42:42,462 or did 656 13:42:42,529 --> 13:42:42,930 they backfire 657 13:42:42,996 --> 13:42:44,398 on Republicans? 658 13:42:44,464 --> 13:42:45,732 >> I think, well, 659 13:42:45,799 --> 13:42:46,834 Republicans saw those as a 660 13:42:46,900 --> 13:42:48,001 twofer. One, 661 13:42:48,068 --> 13:42:48,936 they did boost 662 13:42:49,002 --> 13:42:50,304 her with 663 13:42:50,370 --> 13:42:50,871 liberals letting 664 13:42:50,938 --> 13:42:51,972 by giving her 665 13:42:52,039 --> 13:42:53,340 more wouldgnition than she 666 13:42:53,407 --> 13:42:54,007 have otherwise had. 667 13:42:54,074 --> 13:42:55,442 And two, 668 13:42:55,509 --> 13:42:56,577 even in the 669 13:42:56,643 --> 13:42:57,678 Madison and Milwaukee television 670 13:42:57,744 --> 13:42:58,478 viewing areas, 671 13:42:58,545 --> 13:42:59,813 there are a lot 672 13:42:59,880 --> 13:43:00,480 of there.can voters out 673 13:43:00,547 --> 13:43:01,415 So it was 674 13:43:01,481 --> 13:43:02,516 working towards 675 13:43:02,583 --> 13:43:03,283 the election. That's 676 13:43:03,350 --> 13:43:04,785 still come. If she was 677 13:43:04,852 --> 13:43:05,686 the wasnee, it 678 13:43:05,752 --> 13:43:06,353 weakening her 679 13:43:06,420 --> 13:43:07,087 and tarnishing her 680 13:43:07,154 --> 13:43:07,688 name, attaching 681 13:43:07,754 --> 13:43:08,422 her to these 682 13:43:08,488 --> 13:43:09,423 issues with 683 13:43:09,489 --> 13:43:10,390 Republicans vote,ould 684 13:43:10,457 --> 13:43:10,958 getting them aware 685 13:43:11,024 --> 13:43:11,658 of who she 686 13:43:11,725 --> 13:43:12,492 was. So 687 13:43:12,559 --> 13:43:13,160 they definitely 688 13:43:13,227 --> 13:43:14,261 saw that as a 689 13:43:14,328 --> 13:43:14,928 great double 690 13:43:14,995 --> 13:43:15,662 by doing two 691 13:43:15,729 --> 13:43:16,797 things at once. 692 13:43:16,864 --> 13:43:17,531 It backfired 693 13:43:17,598 --> 13:43:18,398 in the sense that 694 13:43:18,465 --> 13:43:19,900 it really did 695 13:43:19,967 --> 13:43:20,667 alarm a lot 696 13:43:20,734 --> 13:43:21,802 of Democrats, 697 13:43:21,869 --> 13:43:22,536 and it made 698 13:43:22,603 --> 13:43:23,203 it easier for 699 13:43:23,270 --> 13:43:23,637 Crowley to 700 13:43:23,704 --> 13:43:24,738 say, this is 701 13:43:24,805 --> 13:43:25,672 who Republicans want to 702 13:43:25,739 --> 13:43:26,607 face, should 703 13:43:26,673 --> 13:43:27,474 talk more about 704 13:43:27,541 --> 13:43:28,542 why and 705 13:43:28,609 --> 13:43:29,676 the vulnerabilities that lie 706 13:43:29,743 --> 13:43:31,211 within their 707 13:43:31,278 --> 13:43:32,546 boosting his credibility. When it came 708 13:43:32,613 --> 13:43:33,247 to electability. 709 13:43:33,313 --> 13:43:34,281 >> It was 710 13:43:34,348 --> 13:43:35,015 kind of his opening. I mean, 711 13:43:35,082 --> 13:43:36,316 it let him 712 13:43:36,383 --> 13:43:37,417 attack her without 713 13:43:37,484 --> 13:43:38,485 really attacking 714 13:43:38,552 --> 13:43:39,553 her because Democrats had been hands 715 13:43:39,620 --> 13:43:40,621 off at that point. 716 13:43:40,687 --> 13:43:41,555 And David Crowley 717 13:43:41,622 --> 13:43:42,623 is going to want her voters 718 13:43:42,689 --> 13:43:43,423 in November, 719 13:43:43,490 --> 13:43:44,525 so he doesn't 720 13:43:44,591 --> 13:43:45,893 want to attack her too aggressively 721 13:43:45,959 --> 13:43:46,693 and say Democratic 722 13:43:46,760 --> 13:43:47,261 socialists have no 723 13:43:47,327 --> 13:43:48,028 place in 724 13:43:48,095 --> 13:43:49,229 our party. 725 13:43:49,296 --> 13:43:50,230 Of course, he's 726 13:43:50,297 --> 13:43:52,032 not going to say that. He's 727 13:43:52,099 --> 13:43:53,834 going to want those Francesca Hong supporters 728 13:43:53,901 --> 13:43:55,369 support him. But the were 729 13:43:55,435 --> 13:43:56,370 definitely the opening 730 13:43:56,436 --> 13:43:58,105 for him. 731 13:43:59,306 --> 13:44:00,440 Rich, I know a 732 13:44:00,507 --> 13:44:01,808 lot observersal 733 13:44:01,875 --> 13:44:03,777 nationally were looking to Wisconsin. 734 13:44:03,844 --> 13:44:05,445 As for a 735 13:44:05,512 --> 13:44:06,046 lesson terms 736 13:44:06,113 --> 13:44:07,648 of whether 737 13:44:07,714 --> 13:44:08,882 democratic socialism that 738 13:44:08,949 --> 13:44:09,616 has played 739 13:44:09,683 --> 13:44:10,684 well in other 740 13:44:10,751 --> 13:44:11,318 states can 741 13:44:11,385 --> 13:44:12,186 play in 742 13:44:12,252 --> 13:44:13,220 a Midwest 743 13:44:13,287 --> 13:44:14,955 swing state, 744 13:44:15,289 --> 13:44:16,123 what lesson can they 745 13:44:16,190 --> 13:44:17,024 take away our 746 13:44:17,090 --> 13:44:18,759 race? >> Oh 747 13:44:19,059 --> 13:44:19,793 boy, that's 748 13:44:19,860 --> 13:44:20,527 such a question. 749 13:44:20,594 --> 13:44:21,795 I feel 750 13:44:21,862 --> 13:44:23,230 a little 751 13:44:23,297 --> 13:44:23,597 unqualified in answering, 752 13:44:23,664 --> 13:44:24,498 but I you 753 13:44:24,565 --> 13:44:25,866 know, obvious 754 13:44:25,933 --> 13:44:26,834 takeaway is it 755 13:44:26,900 --> 13:44:27,701 didn't it 756 13:44:27,768 --> 13:44:28,335 didn't work this 757 13:44:28,402 --> 13:44:29,803 time. But 758 13:44:29,870 --> 13:44:31,171 all the caveats 759 13:44:31,238 --> 13:44:32,906 being the 760 13:44:33,207 --> 13:44:33,841 coordinated effort 761 13:44:33,907 --> 13:44:35,275 by establishment 762 13:44:35,342 --> 13:44:36,343 Democrats, moderate 763 13:44:36,410 --> 13:44:36,910 Democrats to make 764 13:44:36,977 --> 13:44:38,111 it make 765 13:44:38,178 --> 13:44:38,912 sure that it 766 13:44:38,979 --> 13:44:39,646 doesn't happen. 767 13:44:39,713 --> 13:44:40,314 So I would say at 768 13:44:40,380 --> 13:44:41,315 face value, 769 13:44:41,381 --> 13:44:42,516 yeah, I guess 770 13:44:42,583 --> 13:44:43,183 it workt 771 13:44:43,250 --> 13:44:44,251 out. And it came 772 13:44:44,318 --> 13:44:45,352 pretty close in in 773 13:44:45,419 --> 13:44:46,353 the effort to 774 13:44:46,420 --> 13:44:47,855 stop the 775 13:44:47,921 --> 13:44:48,655 far youft, 776 13:44:48,722 --> 13:44:49,356 know, progressive 777 13:44:49,423 --> 13:44:49,957 candidate in the 778 13:44:50,023 --> 13:44:50,624 Senate race 779 13:44:50,691 --> 13:44:51,925 in Michigan, 780 13:44:51,992 --> 13:44:53,360 the closeness of that, 781 13:44:53,427 --> 13:44:54,528 plus maybe it 782 13:44:54,595 --> 13:44:56,830 changed the conversation. 783 13:44:56,897 --> 13:44:58,065 >> And I guess 784 13:44:58,131 --> 13:44:58,832 the counterpoint to that 785 13:44:58,899 --> 13:44:59,800 would if if 786 13:44:59,867 --> 13:45:00,901 she picks up 787 13:45:00,968 --> 13:45:01,735 5000 votes, 788 13:45:01,802 --> 13:45:02,703 then, you 789 13:45:02,769 --> 13:45:03,504 know, we're 790 13:45:03,570 --> 13:45:04,171 having a different 791 13:45:04,238 --> 13:45:05,839 discussion today. 792 13:45:05,906 --> 13:45:06,507 What does this 793 13:45:06,573 --> 13:45:07,207 mean for 794 13:45:07,274 --> 13:45:07,875 November? I 795 13:45:07,941 --> 13:45:09,009 mean, I 796 13:45:09,076 --> 13:45:10,344 think that 797 13:45:10,410 --> 13:45:11,211 Republicans starting 798 13:45:11,278 --> 13:45:12,045 to expect 799 13:45:12,112 --> 13:45:13,013 it was going to be 800 13:45:13,080 --> 13:45:13,847 Tom Tiffany 801 13:45:13,914 --> 13:45:15,582 versus Francesca Hong. 802 13:45:15,649 --> 13:45:16,250 What its 803 13:45:16,316 --> 13:45:17,284 mean that 804 13:45:17,351 --> 13:45:18,519 it is 805 13:45:18,585 --> 13:45:19,553 Tom versus 806 13:45:19,620 --> 13:45:20,187 David Crowley you 807 13:45:20,254 --> 13:45:20,654 were at 808 13:45:20,721 --> 13:45:21,555 the Tiffany 809 13:45:21,622 --> 13:45:22,723 campaign headquarters 810 13:45:22,789 --> 13:45:23,390 on election 811 13:45:23,457 --> 13:45:25,092 night. Rich, 812 13:45:25,158 --> 13:45:27,394 what's your impression? 813 13:45:27,461 --> 13:45:28,595 >> Oh, man. It 814 13:45:28,662 --> 13:45:29,563 was this is I was 815 13:45:29,630 --> 13:45:30,531 alluding to 816 13:45:30,597 --> 13:45:31,298 in beginning. 817 13:45:31,365 --> 13:45:32,132 It was 818 13:45:32,199 --> 13:45:33,000 really interesting. 819 13:45:33,066 --> 13:45:33,667 So the spirits 820 13:45:33,734 --> 13:45:34,768 were high the whole 821 13:45:34,835 --> 13:45:36,270 night, because there 822 13:45:36,336 --> 13:45:37,371 was no doubt that Tiffany 823 13:45:37,437 --> 13:45:38,772 was going to be the 824 13:45:38,839 --> 13:45:40,507 nominee. And 825 13:45:41,208 --> 13:45:42,209 the other thing 826 13:45:42,276 --> 13:45:42,876 was, before 827 13:45:42,943 --> 13:45:43,744 the polls 828 13:45:43,810 --> 13:45:44,678 closed, I talked to 829 13:45:44,745 --> 13:45:45,712 a few people that 830 13:45:45,779 --> 13:45:46,580 were there and they 831 13:45:46,647 --> 13:45:48,015 said, well, 832 13:45:48,081 --> 13:45:49,383 hang. Being the 833 13:45:49,449 --> 13:45:50,517 nominee easierusly makes it 834 13:45:50,584 --> 13:45:51,752 for Tiffany. And 835 13:45:51,818 --> 13:45:52,653 people were telling me 836 13:45:52,719 --> 13:45:53,720 they hang, 837 13:45:53,787 --> 13:45:54,755 scares them, 838 13:45:54,821 --> 13:45:55,455 etc. and 839 13:45:55,522 --> 13:45:56,190 then what I 840 13:45:56,256 --> 13:45:57,357 noticed was 841 13:45:57,424 --> 13:45:57,858 spirits were still 842 13:45:57,925 --> 13:45:58,825 high, but 843 13:45:58,892 --> 13:45:59,493 people became 844 13:45:59,560 --> 13:46:00,227 more and more 845 13:46:00,294 --> 13:46:00,827 glued to the 846 13:46:00,894 --> 13:46:02,362 big screen 847 13:46:02,429 --> 13:46:03,797 showing cable 848 13:46:03,864 --> 13:46:04,865 news their 849 13:46:04,932 --> 13:46:05,599 phones. And 850 13:46:05,666 --> 13:46:06,300 I outside 851 13:46:06,366 --> 13:46:07,134 a couple times 852 13:46:07,201 --> 13:46:07,634 and there was some 853 13:46:07,701 --> 13:46:08,869 young guys 854 13:46:08,936 --> 13:46:09,503 that are like, 855 13:46:09,570 --> 13:46:10,337 I could 856 13:46:10,404 --> 13:46:11,538 overhear them talking 857 13:46:11,605 --> 13:46:12,806 Crow Crowley's being 858 13:46:12,873 --> 13:46:13,440 hung this 859 13:46:13,507 --> 13:46:14,174 county, but 860 13:46:14,241 --> 13:46:15,342 Crowley is, 861 13:46:15,409 --> 13:46:16,310 you know, they were not expecting 862 13:46:16,376 --> 13:46:17,544 that. And 863 13:46:17,611 --> 13:46:18,579 when Tiffany 864 13:46:18,645 --> 13:46:19,279 came and he 865 13:46:19,346 --> 13:46:19,880 he hisve 866 13:46:19,947 --> 13:46:21,215 speech at 867 13:46:21,281 --> 13:46:22,583 about right around 868 13:46:22,649 --> 13:46:23,517 10 p.m. and he 869 13:46:23,584 --> 13:46:24,718 talked with 870 13:46:24,785 --> 13:46:25,853 reporters And the first 871 13:46:25,919 --> 13:46:26,386 question was, 872 13:46:26,453 --> 13:46:27,120 If Crowley 873 13:46:27,187 --> 13:46:27,988 wins, does 874 13:46:28,055 --> 13:46:29,356 that youre 875 13:46:29,423 --> 13:46:30,457 strategy since beene 876 13:46:30,524 --> 13:46:31,525 spending so much 877 13:46:31,592 --> 13:46:32,492 time attacking 878 13:46:32,559 --> 13:46:33,994 hang and 879 13:46:34,061 --> 13:46:34,862 he he's been 880 13:46:34,928 --> 13:46:35,729 using a line where 881 13:46:35,796 --> 13:46:36,563 he says 882 13:46:36,630 --> 13:46:37,231 there's at 883 13:46:37,297 --> 13:46:38,131 dime's worth of 884 13:46:38,198 --> 13:46:39,132 difference between the 885 13:46:39,199 --> 13:46:40,133 Democrats. Okay. And 886 13:46:40,200 --> 13:46:41,034 then next 887 13:46:41,101 --> 13:46:42,102 line mouthof his 888 13:46:42,169 --> 13:46:43,036 was, David 889 13:46:43,103 --> 13:46:44,471 Crowley never 890 13:46:44,538 --> 13:46:45,839 called out 891 13:46:45,906 --> 13:46:46,673 Francesca thoseor all 892 13:46:46,740 --> 13:46:47,374 crazy things she 893 13:46:47,441 --> 13:46:49,209 said, which 894 13:46:49,276 --> 13:46:49,810 is, it's 895 13:46:49,877 --> 13:46:50,477 an answer, 896 13:46:50,544 --> 13:46:51,645 but you 897 13:46:51,712 --> 13:46:52,846 it just 898 13:46:52,913 --> 13:46:53,380 seemed like he might 899 13:46:53,447 --> 13:46:54,181 not have 900 13:46:54,248 --> 13:46:54,781 had a whole 901 13:46:54,848 --> 13:46:55,849 list of 902 13:46:55,916 --> 13:46:56,717 talking points 903 13:46:56,783 --> 13:46:58,151 against Crowley ready to go, 904 13:46:58,218 --> 13:46:58,919 because it was a 905 13:46:58,986 --> 13:46:59,520 surprise for 906 13:46:59,586 --> 13:47:00,420 a lot of people 907 13:47:00,487 --> 13:47:01,455 that has 908 13:47:01,522 --> 13:47:03,524 happened. Tiffany's 909 13:47:04,324 --> 13:47:04,958 campaign put out 910 13:47:05,025 --> 13:47:06,660 a first 911 13:47:06,727 --> 13:47:07,227 campaign attack ad 912 13:47:07,294 --> 13:47:08,328 against Crowley, 913 13:47:08,395 --> 13:47:08,929 trying to, 914 13:47:08,996 --> 13:47:10,597 you know, 915 13:47:10,664 --> 13:47:11,698 identify him the 916 13:47:11,765 --> 13:47:12,900 rest of the state. still 917 13:47:12,966 --> 13:47:13,967 , on a campaign 918 13:47:14,034 --> 13:47:15,702 election night, 919 13:47:16,036 --> 13:47:16,970 unexpected. >> So what 920 13:47:17,037 --> 13:47:17,738 are you watching for, 921 13:47:17,804 --> 13:47:19,039 Zac, as 922 13:47:19,106 --> 13:47:19,740 the campaign 923 13:47:19,806 --> 13:47:20,774 gets going 924 13:47:20,841 --> 13:47:21,542 here? Week 925 13:47:21,608 --> 13:47:22,209 one the 926 13:47:22,276 --> 13:47:23,043 of the general 927 13:47:23,110 --> 13:47:23,844 election campaign 928 13:47:23,911 --> 13:47:25,412 between Tiffany and 929 13:47:25,479 --> 13:47:25,846 Crowley. now, it's 930 13:47:25,913 --> 13:47:26,980 about money. 931 13:47:27,047 --> 13:47:27,681 Tom. Tiffany 932 13:47:27,748 --> 13:47:29,049 has got lot 933 13:47:29,116 --> 13:47:31,218 of money in the and he's already 934 13:47:31,285 --> 13:47:33,287 spending already.ng out 935 13:47:33,353 --> 13:47:34,154 He's got money through theeling 936 13:47:34,221 --> 13:47:34,821 party him, 937 13:47:34,888 --> 13:47:36,223 so he 938 13:47:36,290 --> 13:47:37,724 looks like he'll well financed, at least 939 13:47:37,791 --> 13:47:38,725 for now. Crowley did 940 13:47:38,792 --> 13:47:39,293 release a statement 941 13:47:39,359 --> 13:47:40,127 saying he raised 942 13:47:40,194 --> 13:47:41,862 a million half in 943 13:47:42,196 --> 13:47:44,097 the first 24 hours. The big question is, 944 13:47:44,164 --> 13:47:45,933 can he havet? That might 945 13:47:45,999 --> 13:47:48,435 been a lot of transfers from the 946 13:47:48,502 --> 13:47:50,137 Governors Democratic Party waiting 947 13:47:50,204 --> 13:47:52,039 to So theominee. 948 13:47:52,105 --> 13:47:54,074 question is, how can he get out 949 13:47:54,141 --> 13:47:55,375 and beforedsnning his 950 13:47:55,442 --> 13:47:55,843 Tiffany is 951 13:47:55,909 --> 13:47:56,944 able to define 952 13:47:57,010 --> 13:47:57,778 him? Among the 953 13:47:57,845 --> 13:47:59,580 voters in the state that 954 13:47:59,646 --> 13:48:01,215 haven't heard much about him because they've heard 955 13:48:01,281 --> 13:48:03,584 so much about Francesca Hong. 956 13:48:03,650 --> 13:48:05,586 mentioned the lines, andou, 957 13:48:05,652 --> 13:48:07,254 Diane Hendricks. around aunited 958 13:48:07,321 --> 13:48:07,855 Republican backinge or 959 13:48:07,921 --> 13:48:08,388 the state 960 13:48:08,455 --> 13:48:09,122 party. They 961 13:48:09,189 --> 13:48:10,224 are this time. 962 13:48:10,290 --> 13:48:11,325 >> For >>ow. 963 13:48:11,391 --> 13:48:12,526 I think one question 964 13:48:12,593 --> 13:48:14,261 you is that this is 965 13:48:14,595 --> 13:48:15,863 the first year we've really 966 13:48:15,929 --> 13:48:17,598 rich. You this ind to 967 13:48:17,664 --> 13:48:19,166 a story you did. But the first year 968 13:48:19,233 --> 13:48:20,167 since 2010, 969 13:48:20,234 --> 13:48:20,868 when you could 970 13:48:20,934 --> 13:48:22,069 say the 971 13:48:22,135 --> 13:48:23,770 Assembly and the 972 13:48:23,837 --> 13:48:24,605 Senate governor's 973 13:48:24,671 --> 13:48:25,439 office are all 974 13:48:25,506 --> 13:48:26,373 kind of up for 975 13:48:26,440 --> 13:48:27,074 grabs, either 976 13:48:27,140 --> 13:48:28,208 party could 977 13:48:28,275 --> 13:48:29,243 win, you know, 978 13:48:29,309 --> 13:48:30,177 all three. 979 13:48:30,244 --> 13:48:31,211 And so 980 13:48:31,278 --> 13:48:31,945 big donors are going 981 13:48:32,012 --> 13:48:33,680 to have to decide, do we 982 13:48:33,747 --> 13:48:35,249 want to spread this orround 983 13:48:35,315 --> 13:48:35,849 focus on where we think 984 13:48:35,916 --> 13:48:37,584 our money will go the 985 13:48:37,651 --> 13:48:38,886 farthest? 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