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%

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Another
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shake
up inthe

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Democratic
primary for

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governor
as

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Mandela
Barnes

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drops
out.

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How
does this

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change
the

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race,
and

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what
are the remaining

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candidates saying as they
make

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their
closing

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pitches
to voters?

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This
is

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inside
Wisconsin politics. I'm

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Shawn
Johnson

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here with my
colleagues

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Anya van
Wagtendonk Zac

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Schultz and
Rich Kremer

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in
Eau Claire.

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Hey,
everyone.

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Hello.
So

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just when it
seemed likethis

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Democratic
primary for

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governor
couldn't

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get
any

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Wilder.
Let's

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see. Let's
gothrough the

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candidates
here.David

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Crowley
drops

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out.
Sarah

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Rodriguez
drops out.

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David
Crowley

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drops
back

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in.
We now

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have
Mandela

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Barnes
dropping

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out of
the

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race.
Some pretty

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big
names

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there.
Anya

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what
happened?

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>> I mean,
I

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will give a
little behind

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the
scenes

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intrigue for our
viewers.

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We
taped a

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whole
different

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show right
before

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this
talking about the debate.And we will

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get into that
later. And we got the

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news
in our earpieces thatMandela Barnes had

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dropped
out, so he

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released a video
on

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social
media and

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interestingly, you know,
doesn't

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endorse
another

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candidate
, looked

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pretty
dejected

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and
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said, we
all

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can
tell the

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writing
is on the

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wall
ofwho the nominee

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is going to
be. I assume he is

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alluding
to Francesca Hong, who isjust carrying

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all these
polls. And

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he
said,

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you
know, the

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number one thing
to do is to

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beat
TomTiffany. So

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it was not
a

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ringing endorsement. It did
not seem

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like
an

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impassioned
sort of

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choice
to

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to
step

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down, but
certainly

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some
some

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breaking
news. You

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know,
we're

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less than two
weeks

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out from primary
day.

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>> Yeah. We got
to tell you,we're

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recording this on a
Thursday afternoon. So by

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the time you watch
it orhear it,

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you may know more
about this story than

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we do
right at this moment. Wecan

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tell you right now
fromthe Journal Sentinel,

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the
decisions by the Barnescamp, they said,

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came amid
reporting

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into
allegationsthat

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Barnes
was

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taking
advantage of

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his role
in

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the party to
have

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sexual
encounters

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with
young

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adult
women.

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We
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read
from

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Politico.
The

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announcement
comes

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as
Democratic

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officials
in the

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state
brace

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for
damaging

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media
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So,
I mean,

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Zac,
there

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are
different

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circumstances
under

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which a
candidate

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can
drop

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out.
Itcan be

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received
indifferent

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ways.
How

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would
you characterize

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this
one?

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>> Well,
this is

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different
from past

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episodes,
including

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the flip
side ofthis, when

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Ben
MandelaBarnes took

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advantage of
this in 2022 in his

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Senate
run Senate

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run,
when

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the
other

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opponents in
that

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primary
dropped

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out and
they dropped

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out
gracefully,

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saying the
only way

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at that
time for them to

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win the
nomination would be to gonegative

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and hurt the party.
And they decided not

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to do
that. And they wererewarded for

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that as being
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Sarah Godlewski was
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treasurer. We've
seen examples of this.Almost two

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decades ago,
Scott Walker was going torun

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for governor in 2006,
party officials said, hey,

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why don't you clear
thefield for Mark

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green? He
did. And then he was the

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nominee in 2010 when
partyofficials remembered he

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was
graceful about that.

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So on
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it could be seen
as Mandela Barnes seeing

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the writing on the
wall. Hewasn't going

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to win. But he
has a future in

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Democratic
politics in Wisconsin. Thatwould be the

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normal way to
look at this as saying,

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well, there's lots of
future races he could

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run
for. But then when youcombine this

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with the
reporting that we'rehearing in the

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rumors that
have been running aroundcircles for

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quite a while
now, it

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doesn't have
that

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same
tone

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to it.
So this

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looks more
of getting aheadof

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the damaging news
that

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could be dropping
less.

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Graham
Platner

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in
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East
Coast

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Senate
race and

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more
of.

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Just keep
your headdown

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and
get out of the

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way
so it becomes less of adistraction.

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And he's
forced to bow outdisgracefully as

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opposed to
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>> Yeah. You know,
youalluded to there.

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But in
his message,

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he did
not

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say
Francesca Hong name. He

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didn't say, I'm
dropping

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out because
she's

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the
frontrunner, and that's

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good.
He

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didn't
say,

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I'm
dropping out

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. And
I

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support
a

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challenger
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he's
kind of

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had some
fights

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with
them

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recently.
Rich,

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you
reported

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on
MandelaBarnes this

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campaign,
andin

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2022, he
entered

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this
race

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and
presented

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himself
as the frontrunner.

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And it
seemed

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like
that sort

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of
slowly,

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slowly
slipped

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away
during this

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campaign.
And

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now
this

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quite
a

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shocking
arc to

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his
story

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this
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>> Yeah,
it's

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been
something

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else.
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mean,
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terms of
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recognition,
he did enter the

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race
with

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more than
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of
the other

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candidates,
including

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Republican
Congressman Tom

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Tiffany.
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that was
because of

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the
2022

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Senate
loss

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to
Ron

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Johnson. It
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close
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but
and

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there
was a lot of

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advertising.
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his name
got

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around.
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that
race

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really
hurt him

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also
, beyond

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whatever is
going to

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be
reported

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or is
being

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reported at
this

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moment
about any

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improprieties.
He

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he was
damaged

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from
that

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Senate
loss to

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Ron
Johnson among

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Democrats.
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before he
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the race for
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there was
an op

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ed that
had

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former
Lieutenant

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Governor
Barbara

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Lawton,
a

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Democrat
that

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is
very

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involved in the
party,

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said
that

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he
shouldn't getin

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the
race, that he's a

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proven he's proven that
hehe

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can't
win

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statewide,
etc.

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So there
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that.
And

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then
we

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started
seeing

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in
the earlier

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days
of

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this,
you

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know,
gubernatorial

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primary
among the

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Democrats
where

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people were
droppingout.

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They weren't
endorsing

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Barnes
like they

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did
in

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2022.
So that

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was
a

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signal.
Then

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Governor
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endorsed
someone

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besides
Barnes,

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who, you
know,

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Barnes and
Evers

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served
together,

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for
years.

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So
that was

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a
sign.

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And
now

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here we
are.

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It's
really

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been
just

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a,
a

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really
interesting

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ride
for

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Barnes.
>> So

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his
departure

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kind
ofleaves

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the
race

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in some
ways

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where it
was,

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14:31:22,000 --> 14:31:23,000
where
there seems to

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14:31:23,000 --> 14:31:24,000
be this
growing consensus

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14:31:24,000 --> 14:31:24,667
out
therethat

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this
is

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Francesca Hong
race

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14:31:26,375 --> 14:31:27,417
to
lose.

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She is
a

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democratic
socialist, which

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is sort
of

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defined
this

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14:31:30,999 --> 14:31:32,041
campaign.
She was

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asked
about her

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views
at

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this
week's

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debate.
Let's give

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a
listen to what

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she
had tosay.

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>> What
democratic

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socialism
is,

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14:31:41,041 --> 14:31:42,041
is a form
of

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14:31:42,041 --> 14:31:42,999
government that
puts

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working
class

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people
first.That

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14:31:44,750 --> 14:31:45,834
puts
work

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first. The
policies that

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we
have been

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14:31:47,625 --> 14:31:48,792
working
on,

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permanent
affordability

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, has
broad

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bipartisan
support

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in
everycorner

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14:31:52,999 --> 14:31:55,166
of the
state.

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14:31:55,166 --> 14:31:56,208
>> Ana
you've

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14:31:56,208 --> 14:31:57,250
covered
her

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14:31:57,250 --> 14:31:59,000
campaign. You
profiled herfor

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14:31:59,000 --> 14:32:00,667
Wisconsin Public
Radio.

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14:32:00,667 --> 14:32:01,999
How
is she

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14:32:01,999 --> 14:32:02,875
presenting
her

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14:32:02,875 --> 14:32:04,083
brand of
politics

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14:32:04,083 --> 14:32:05,250
to
primary

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14:32:05,250 --> 14:32:07,000
voters and
also

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14:32:07,000 --> 14:32:08,083
potentially
critics

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14:32:08,083 --> 14:32:09,208
as this
primary

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14:32:09,208 --> 14:32:09,999
closes
out?

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14:32:09,999 --> 14:32:11,208
>> Yeah,
I think she's been

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14:32:11,208 --> 14:32:12,208
really consistent,
not just

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14:32:12,208 --> 14:32:13,166
throughout this
campaign,

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but
throughout her

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14:32:14,250 --> 14:32:15,333
political
career.

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14:32:15,333 --> 14:32:15,999
She was
a

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14:32:15,999 --> 14:32:16,999
member of the
Democratic

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14:32:16,999 --> 14:32:18,166
Socialist
Caucus in the

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14:32:18,166 --> 14:32:19,208
Assembly. She's running
as

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14:32:19,208 --> 14:32:20,834
a democratic
socialist onthe

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14:32:20,834 --> 14:32:21,542
Democratic
ticket.

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14:32:21,542 --> 14:32:22,125
And
so you've

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14:32:22,125 --> 14:32:23,542
seen
that a lotin

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14:32:23,542 --> 14:32:24,542
her policy
positions. I

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14:32:24,542 --> 14:32:26,542
think a little bit
what wesaw on

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14:32:26,542 --> 14:32:28,291
the debate stage was
her trying to

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14:32:28,291 --> 14:32:28,999
nuance
someof

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14:32:28,999 --> 14:32:30,041
that,
perhaps

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14:32:30,041 --> 14:32:31,542
for a more
general election, again,

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14:32:31,542 --> 14:32:32,250
as
she is this

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14:32:32,250 --> 14:32:33,291
kind
of

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14:32:33,291 --> 14:32:33,999
runaway
favorite

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14:32:33,999 --> 14:32:35,500
at the
moment.

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14:32:35,500 --> 14:32:36,208
I
saw some

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14:32:36,208 --> 14:32:37,250
criticism
actually

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14:32:37,250 --> 14:32:37,999
from
national

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14:32:37,999 --> 14:32:39,000
DSA
members

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14:32:39,000 --> 14:32:39,917
on
social

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14:32:39,917 --> 14:32:41,208
media who
weresaying

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14:32:41,208 --> 14:32:42,291
essentially, oh,
she's not

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14:32:42,291 --> 14:32:42,999
socialist
enough,but

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14:32:42,999 --> 14:32:44,542
I
think she

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14:32:44,542 --> 14:32:45,999
understands
that there is going to

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14:32:45,999 --> 14:32:46,750
be
a

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14:32:46,750 --> 14:32:47,291
pretty
ready

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14:32:47,291 --> 14:32:48,041
made line
of

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14:32:48,041 --> 14:32:49,166
attack
from

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14:32:49,166 --> 14:32:49,999
Republicans
based on

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14:32:49,999 --> 14:32:50,625
some
of her past

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14:32:50,625 --> 14:32:51,709
statements
based on calling

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14:32:51,709 --> 14:32:52,875
for
defunding the

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14:32:52,875 --> 14:32:53,917
police,
based on

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14:32:53,917 --> 14:32:55,709
aligning with
certain, you know, sort

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14:32:55,709 --> 14:32:57,458
of
far left, more likeagitated

390
14:32:57,458 --> 14:32:58,583
sort of
online

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14:32:58,583 --> 14:32:59,208
figures
that that

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14:32:59,208 --> 14:33:00,375
gives
them easy

393
14:33:00,375 --> 14:33:02,166
things to
kind ofclip,

394
14:33:02,166 --> 14:33:02,999
which
can

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14:33:02,999 --> 14:33:03,667
really
kindof

396
14:33:03,667 --> 14:33:04,750
be
hard to

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14:33:04,750 --> 14:33:05,375
oppose
from

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14:33:05,375 --> 14:33:06,625
a
more kind of nuanced

399
14:33:06,625 --> 14:33:08,375
position. And so
I think wesaw

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14:33:08,375 --> 14:33:10,375
her on the debate
stage,kind of trying

401
14:33:10,375 --> 14:33:11,999
out some of
these more,

402
14:33:11,999 --> 14:33:13,208
bitable
,clippable ways of

403
14:33:13,208 --> 14:33:13,999
approaching
her

404
14:33:13,999 --> 14:33:15,000
politics.
>> Yeah.

405
14:33:15,000 --> 14:33:15,959
Part of
the

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14:33:15,959 --> 14:33:16,999
question that led
to

407
14:33:16,999 --> 14:33:18,375
that
answer there was, hey,

408
14:33:18,375 --> 14:33:18,999
the
Democratic

409
14:33:18,999 --> 14:33:19,875
Socialists
of

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14:33:19,875 --> 14:33:20,999
America
stand

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14:33:20,999 --> 14:33:21,667
for
gettingrid

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14:33:21,667 --> 14:33:22,250
of
prisons,

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14:33:22,250 --> 14:33:23,250
getting rid
of the

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14:33:23,250 --> 14:33:24,000
Senate.
Are you

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14:33:24,000 --> 14:33:24,917
with
them?

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14:33:24,917 --> 14:33:26,250
And she said
shedidn't agree with

417
14:33:26,250 --> 14:33:27,750
them on
everything.

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14:33:27,750 --> 14:33:28,917
But
I

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14:33:28,917 --> 14:33:29,583
do kind
of

420
14:33:29,583 --> 14:33:30,166
sense
from

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14:33:30,166 --> 14:33:31,375
her
a

422
14:33:31,375 --> 14:33:32,375
pivot
toward the

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14:33:32,375 --> 14:33:33,500
general
electionin

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14:33:33,500 --> 14:33:35,083
terms of
the way thatshe's

425
14:33:35,083 --> 14:33:36,999
answering these
questions.

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14:33:36,999 --> 14:33:37,917
You
know,

427
14:33:37,917 --> 14:33:38,542
on, I
don't

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14:33:38,542 --> 14:33:39,542
know, you
name it,

429
14:33:39,542 --> 14:33:40,709
tax
policy

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14:33:40,709 --> 14:33:41,792
on
defund the

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14:33:41,792 --> 14:33:42,500
police.
You know,

432
14:33:42,500 --> 14:33:43,125
what
stood out to

433
14:33:43,125 --> 14:33:44,166
you?
>> She's

434
14:33:44,166 --> 14:33:45,291
definitely
nuancing

435
14:33:45,291 --> 14:33:46,000
those
positions

436
14:33:46,000 --> 14:33:46,917
because
in,

437
14:33:46,917 --> 14:33:48,125
in
politics, ifyou're

438
14:33:48,125 --> 14:33:49,375
explaining,
you're

439
14:33:49,375 --> 14:33:50,667
losing that that
phrase hasbeen

440
14:33:50,667 --> 14:33:52,667
around for a long
time.So she's trying

441
14:33:52,667 --> 14:33:53,999
to explain
to general election

442
14:33:53,999 --> 14:33:54,750
voters
that she's

443
14:33:54,750 --> 14:33:55,375
not that
kind

444
14:33:55,375 --> 14:33:56,125
of
socialist.

445
14:33:56,125 --> 14:33:57,667
She's a
democratic

446
14:33:57,667 --> 14:33:58,625
socialist
because

447
14:33:58,625 --> 14:33:59,375
Republicans are
comparing

448
14:33:59,375 --> 14:34:00,959
her to
Venezuela.I mean,

449
14:34:00,959 --> 14:34:01,999
that's
that's Tom

450
14:34:01,999 --> 14:34:02,834
Tiffany's
line of

451
14:34:02,834 --> 14:34:04,333
attack
that I heard on Tuesday

452
14:34:04,333 --> 14:34:06,333
night during the debate.
Iwas covering one

453
14:34:06,333 --> 14:34:08,333
of his
events, and he's saying,well, if

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14:34:08,333 --> 14:34:10,333
you want to know
about socialism, you just

455
14:34:10,333 --> 14:34:12,333
have to look at
Venezuelawhen they're eating

456
14:34:12,333 --> 14:34:14,333
the
animals and they're eatingtheir shirts and

457
14:34:14,333 --> 14:34:16,333
there's
nothing available foranybody. And that's what's

458
14:34:16,333 --> 14:34:18,333
coming to Wisconsin. If
youlook at Francesca

459
14:34:18,333 --> 14:34:20,333
Hong,
that's what you're going tohear from

460
14:34:20,333 --> 14:34:22,333
them. So her
trying to go more in

461
14:34:22,333 --> 14:34:24,333
the
lines of the old MilwaukeeSocialists, like

462
14:34:24,333 --> 14:34:26,333
the sewer
socialists, they werecalled of like,

463
14:34:26,333 --> 14:34:28,333
let's work
on infrastructure andpublic schools and

464
14:34:28,333 --> 14:34:30,333
the
public good, the publicwelfare. She's trying

465
14:34:30,333 --> 14:34:32,291
to
get ahead of some of thoseattacks

466
14:34:32,291 --> 14:34:34,291
and explain that's
where her socialistpolicies lie

467
14:34:34,291 --> 14:34:35,834
less in the
international

468
14:34:35,834 --> 14:34:36,500
communist
socialist

469
14:34:36,500 --> 14:34:37,125
stuff that
we

470
14:34:37,125 --> 14:34:37,999
hear
from the

471
14:34:37,999 --> 14:34:38,709
countries
that fall

472
14:34:38,709 --> 14:34:39,333
apart,
that claim

473
14:34:39,333 --> 14:34:40,834
to be
socialist.

474
14:34:40,834 --> 14:34:41,999
>> And
rich. You

475
14:34:41,999 --> 14:34:43,291
covered
the debate

476
14:34:43,291 --> 14:34:43,999
she
was

477
14:34:43,999 --> 14:34:44,875
asked
about. I mean,

478
14:34:44,875 --> 14:34:45,667
everybody
there on

479
14:34:45,667 --> 14:34:46,041
that debate
stage

480
14:34:46,041 --> 14:34:46,999
was
saying, let's

481
14:34:46,999 --> 14:34:48,333
tax
millionaires to pay for

482
14:34:48,333 --> 14:34:49,417
stuff
in state

483
14:34:49,417 --> 14:34:51,625
government.
She got

484
14:34:51,625 --> 14:34:52,750
a little
morespecific

485
14:34:52,750 --> 14:34:53,792
than
others,

486
14:34:53,792 --> 14:34:54,458
and
yet

487
14:34:54,458 --> 14:34:55,583
it seemed
like

488
14:34:55,583 --> 14:34:56,667
potentially an
incomplete

489
14:34:56,667 --> 14:34:59,417
answer based on her
record.

490
14:34:59,417 --> 14:35:00,250
>> Yeah.
That's

491
14:35:00,250 --> 14:35:01,750
right.
Her

492
14:35:01,750 --> 14:35:03,041
her
website

493
14:35:03,041 --> 14:35:03,875
has all
kindsof

494
14:35:03,875 --> 14:35:04,583
very
specific

495
14:35:04,583 --> 14:35:05,291
numbers.
And

496
14:35:05,291 --> 14:35:06,333
also she's
been in

497
14:35:06,333 --> 14:35:07,083
the
assembly

498
14:35:07,083 --> 14:35:07,999
for
some time

499
14:35:07,999 --> 14:35:08,999
now,
and

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14:35:08,999 --> 14:35:09,999
she's
taken a

501
14:35:09,999 --> 14:35:11,000
lot of
votes.

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14:35:11,000 --> 14:35:11,875
She's
introduced a

503
14:35:11,875 --> 14:35:12,999
lot of
legislation.

504
14:35:12,999 --> 14:35:13,583
So
on

505
14:35:13,583 --> 14:35:14,291
the
debate

506
14:35:14,291 --> 14:35:16,542
stage,
essentially she was

507
14:35:16,542 --> 14:35:17,583
saying,
well, for

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14:35:17,583 --> 14:35:19,709
millionaires,
it'd be a 1%

509
14:35:19,709 --> 14:35:20,792
tax
increase

510
14:35:20,792 --> 14:35:22,583
to
something like

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14:35:22,583 --> 14:35:24,792
8.6%
versus,

512
14:35:24,792 --> 14:35:25,792
you know,
whateverit

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14:35:25,792 --> 14:35:26,959
is now.
So

514
14:35:26,959 --> 14:35:27,709
she
said

515
14:35:27,709 --> 14:35:28,709
that,
but

516
14:35:28,709 --> 14:35:30,458
right away
online

517
14:35:30,458 --> 14:35:31,583
Democrats even were
saying,

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14:35:31,583 --> 14:35:32,250
well,
you

519
14:35:32,250 --> 14:35:33,250
know,
actually

520
14:35:33,250 --> 14:35:34,041
she's got
a

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14:35:34,041 --> 14:35:35,041
plan
to,

522
14:35:35,041 --> 14:35:35,999
create
a new

523
14:35:35,999 --> 14:35:36,625
tax
bracket and

524
14:35:36,625 --> 14:35:37,999
set
it at 17

525
14:35:37,999 --> 14:35:39,000
point
something

526
14:35:39,000 --> 14:35:40,500
percent.
Which

527
14:35:40,500 --> 14:35:41,250
is
true.

528
14:35:41,250 --> 14:35:42,000
That
was

529
14:35:42,000 --> 14:35:42,750
part
of

530
14:35:42,750 --> 14:35:43,458
a
plan she

531
14:35:43,458 --> 14:35:44,000
put out
in,

532
14:35:44,000 --> 14:35:45,667
in
the

533
14:35:45,667 --> 14:35:47,999
legislature. So
she,

534
14:35:47,999 --> 14:35:49,999
she
talked

535
14:35:49,999 --> 14:35:50,667
really
generally

536
14:35:50,667 --> 14:35:51,709
about
it.

537
14:35:51,709 --> 14:35:52,834
And,
so

538
14:35:52,834 --> 14:35:53,583
then
others

539
14:35:53,583 --> 14:35:54,166
had to
go and

540
14:35:54,166 --> 14:35:54,999
dig
up

541
14:35:54,999 --> 14:35:55,999
what she
said in

542
14:35:55,999 --> 14:35:56,999
the past.
>> Yeah.

543
14:35:56,999 --> 14:35:57,959
We
did

544
14:35:57,959 --> 14:35:58,542
mention
last

545
14:35:58,542 --> 14:35:59,083
week
that we

546
14:35:59,083 --> 14:36:00,166
were
going to wait

547
14:36:00,166 --> 14:36:01,500
for
another

548
14:36:01,500 --> 14:36:02,500
story to
develop

549
14:36:02,500 --> 14:36:03,625
this
police

550
14:36:03,625 --> 14:36:04,750
shooting
in

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14:36:04,750 --> 14:36:06,917
Madison.
And you've heard all

552
14:36:06,917 --> 14:36:08,917
the
candidates for governorcome out and say,

553
14:36:08,917 --> 14:36:10,041
you know,
we need to have

554
14:36:10,041 --> 14:36:11,125
a
swift

555
14:36:11,125 --> 14:36:12,999
investigation of
that.

556
14:36:12,999 --> 14:36:13,709
Zac,
I think it's

557
14:36:13,709 --> 14:36:14,875
fair to
saythat

558
14:36:14,875 --> 14:36:16,166
Francesca Hong
response to

559
14:36:16,166 --> 14:36:16,999
the
shooting

560
14:36:16,999 --> 14:36:17,750
was certainly
the

561
14:36:17,750 --> 14:36:18,333
most
attention

562
14:36:18,333 --> 14:36:18,999
getting.
She went

563
14:36:18,999 --> 14:36:20,125
out to the
site

564
14:36:20,125 --> 14:36:20,999
of the
shooting

565
14:36:20,999 --> 14:36:21,208
with
a

566
14:36:21,208 --> 14:36:23,041
bullhorn
and called it an

567
14:36:23,041 --> 14:36:24,041
execution.
What is

568
14:36:24,041 --> 14:36:24,959
she
saying

569
14:36:24,959 --> 14:36:25,583
now?
And,

570
14:36:25,583 --> 14:36:25,999
you know,
why

571
14:36:25,999 --> 14:36:26,959
did she
use

572
14:36:26,959 --> 14:36:28,458
that word in her
words?

573
14:36:28,458 --> 14:36:29,083
>> Well, she
was asked

574
14:36:29,083 --> 14:36:30,208
during the
debate, would

575
14:36:30,208 --> 14:36:30,959
you
use

576
14:36:30,959 --> 14:36:31,999
would you make the
same

577
14:36:31,999 --> 14:36:33,000
statement as
governor?And

578
14:36:33,000 --> 14:36:34,083
her
answer was

579
14:36:34,083 --> 14:36:35,250
no,
because the governor

580
14:36:35,250 --> 14:36:35,999
has a
bigger,

581
14:36:35,999 --> 14:36:36,999
bigger
megaphone

582
14:36:36,999 --> 14:36:37,875
and
essentially

583
14:36:37,875 --> 14:36:38,999
alluding
that wouldn't be

584
14:36:38,999 --> 14:36:39,625
appropriate for
the

585
14:36:39,625 --> 14:36:40,750
governor
to make that

586
14:36:40,750 --> 14:36:41,792
statement.
What's

587
14:36:41,792 --> 14:36:42,417
interesting is
you're

588
14:36:42,417 --> 14:36:43,542
supposed to
campaign

589
14:36:43,542 --> 14:36:44,583
how
you would

590
14:36:44,583 --> 14:36:45,291
govern.
And

591
14:36:45,291 --> 14:36:46,375
she
did make

592
14:36:46,375 --> 14:36:47,999
that
statement asa

593
14:36:47,999 --> 14:36:48,625
candidate
only a

594
14:36:48,625 --> 14:36:49,999
few
weeks away from a

595
14:36:49,999 --> 14:36:50,834
primary.
And

596
14:36:50,834 --> 14:36:51,375
the video
of

597
14:36:51,375 --> 14:36:52,375
her doing
it, the

598
14:36:52,375 --> 14:36:52,999
crowd is
clearly

599
14:36:52,999 --> 14:36:53,625
trying
to goad

600
14:36:53,625 --> 14:36:55,375
her into
using the word murder.

601
14:36:55,375 --> 14:36:56,375
And
she at that

602
14:36:56,375 --> 14:36:57,333
moment takes
apause

603
14:36:57,333 --> 14:36:57,999
and
then

604
14:36:57,999 --> 14:36:59,999
says,
execution. So she was

605
14:36:59,999 --> 14:37:00,999
even
calibrating what she

606
14:37:00,999 --> 14:37:01,999
was
saying in

607
14:37:01,999 --> 14:37:02,999
that
moment.

608
14:37:02,999 --> 14:37:03,834
This
wasn't as

609
14:37:03,834 --> 14:37:04,834
much of
an off

610
14:37:04,834 --> 14:37:06,208
the cuff statement as
youmight think.

611
14:37:06,208 --> 14:37:07,834
When
you coverher in

612
14:37:07,834 --> 14:37:08,834
speeches. She is
very

613
14:37:08,834 --> 14:37:09,834
measured in
her in

614
14:37:09,834 --> 14:37:10,834
her
thought and her

615
14:37:10,834 --> 14:37:11,250
speech.
Shepauses

616
14:37:11,250 --> 14:37:12,000
before
she

617
14:37:12,000 --> 14:37:13,041
answers a
question

618
14:37:13,041 --> 14:37:13,959
she's
thinking

619
14:37:13,959 --> 14:37:14,999
about. It's
not

620
14:37:14,999 --> 14:37:15,999
just
letting the words

621
14:37:15,999 --> 14:37:16,999
fly like
we see

622
14:37:16,999 --> 14:37:17,999
on social media
sometimes

623
14:37:17,999 --> 14:37:18,999
with some
politicians, and

624
14:37:18,999 --> 14:37:19,999
then
worryabout

625
14:37:19,999 --> 14:37:20,999
retracting it
later.

626
14:37:20,999 --> 14:37:21,999
So for
her to

627
14:37:21,999 --> 14:37:22,999
use that word
was

628
14:37:22,999 --> 14:37:24,250
a deliberate,
intentional thing.

629
14:37:24,250 --> 14:37:25,250
And then
to say,

630
14:37:25,250 --> 14:37:26,542
well, I wouldn't,
as

631
14:37:26,542 --> 14:37:27,083
governor
does, call

632
14:37:27,083 --> 14:37:28,625
into
question like, what is

633
14:37:28,625 --> 14:37:29,625
the
line, then why

634
14:37:29,625 --> 14:37:31,625
use it now
in this case and not?

635
14:37:31,625 --> 14:37:33,625
And
we know it will be usedagainst

636
14:37:33,625 --> 14:37:35,625
her. Tom Tiffany is
already talking about that.

637
14:37:35,625 --> 14:37:36,625
They're attacking the
atic

638
14:37:36,625 --> 14:37:38,625
candidate simply
because the street wherethe shooting

639
14:37:38,625 --> 14:37:39,625
took place is
still

640
14:37:39,625 --> 14:37:41,208
shut down by
protesters saying

641
14:37:41,208 --> 14:37:42,291
that
Madison needs to get

642
14:37:42,291 --> 14:37:43,999
control of
the streets andthat

643
14:37:43,999 --> 14:37:45,999
as governor, he would
obviously have that street

644
14:37:45,999 --> 14:37:47,999
open by now. So
they'regoing to use

645
14:37:47,999 --> 14:37:49,999
this against
her as a candidate,assuming that

646
14:37:49,999 --> 14:37:50,999
she wins this
primary.

647
14:37:50,999 --> 14:37:52,999
And the question
is, how does she continue

648
14:37:52,999 --> 14:37:53,999
explaining those statements
and

649
14:37:53,999 --> 14:37:54,458
those votes
to

650
14:37:54,458 --> 14:37:55,583
general
election

651
14:37:55,583 --> 14:37:56,999
voters?
>> Let's

652
14:37:56,999 --> 14:37:57,834
talk
about

653
14:37:57,834 --> 14:37:58,500
David
Crowley,

654
14:37:58,500 --> 14:37:59,500
Milwaukee
County's

655
14:37:59,500 --> 14:38:00,291
executive
who

656
14:38:00,291 --> 14:38:00,999
got back
in

657
14:38:00,999 --> 14:38:02,083
this
race

658
14:38:02,083 --> 14:38:03,999
as the
FrancescaHong

659
14:38:03,999 --> 14:38:04,999
alternative.
And I

660
14:38:04,999 --> 14:38:06,375
got
to think that

661
14:38:06,375 --> 14:38:07,542
Mandela
Barnes departure

662
14:38:07,542 --> 14:38:08,625
from
this

663
14:38:08,625 --> 14:38:10,375
race
potentially

664
14:38:10,375 --> 14:38:11,458
changes
the

665
14:38:11,458 --> 14:38:12,542
calculus
for

666
14:38:12,542 --> 14:38:13,999
him.
You

667
14:38:13,999 --> 14:38:14,750
know,
Rich, what

668
14:38:14,750 --> 14:38:15,792
were we
hearing

669
14:38:15,792 --> 14:38:16,500
from, you
know,

670
14:38:16,500 --> 14:38:17,999
David
Crowley

671
14:38:17,999 --> 14:38:19,291
as it
relatesto

672
14:38:19,291 --> 14:38:21,291
Francesca Hong up to
this point in the

673
14:38:21,291 --> 14:38:21,999
race?
And,you

674
14:38:21,999 --> 14:38:22,625
know,
has it

675
14:38:22,625 --> 14:38:23,291
been
catching

676
14:38:23,291 --> 14:38:23,999
on?
Is there

677
14:38:23,999 --> 14:38:24,834
is
there a sign

678
14:38:24,834 --> 14:38:25,917
that
this

679
14:38:25,917 --> 14:38:26,500
theory
that

680
14:38:26,500 --> 14:38:27,208
Crowley
supporters

681
14:38:27,208 --> 14:38:28,333
had is
actually

682
14:38:28,333 --> 14:38:31,625
working?
>> Well,

683
14:38:31,625 --> 14:38:32,291
yeah,
the,

684
14:38:32,291 --> 14:38:33,417
the
claim

685
14:38:33,417 --> 14:38:34,041
that
we've heard

686
14:38:34,041 --> 14:38:34,875
from
David

687
14:38:34,875 --> 14:38:35,583
Crowley
and some of

688
14:38:35,583 --> 14:38:36,250
the
other

689
14:38:36,250 --> 14:38:36,999
Democratic
candidates

690
14:38:36,999 --> 14:38:37,875
is
that

691
14:38:37,875 --> 14:38:38,999
the
Republican

692
14:38:38,999 --> 14:38:40,500
Governors
Association is

693
14:38:40,500 --> 14:38:41,959
essentially
trying

694
14:38:41,959 --> 14:38:42,999
to
get

695
14:38:42,999 --> 14:38:44,917
hang
elected,

696
14:38:44,917 --> 14:38:45,959
during the
primary so

697
14:38:45,959 --> 14:38:46,999
that
it would be easier

698
14:38:46,999 --> 14:38:47,999
for
TomTiffany

699
14:38:47,999 --> 14:38:49,041
to
defeat her.

700
14:38:49,041 --> 14:38:49,917
So
that was

701
14:38:49,917 --> 14:38:50,500
the
line

702
14:38:50,500 --> 14:38:51,166
going
into

703
14:38:51,166 --> 14:38:55,125
it.
And

704
14:38:55,125 --> 14:39:00,750
they,
the.

705
14:39:00,750 --> 14:39:01,750
I
lost it. I'm

706
14:39:01,750 --> 14:39:02,750
sorry.
>> Yeah, yeah.

707
14:39:02,750 --> 14:39:04,750
I mean, I, I
will say one thing

708
14:39:04,750 --> 14:39:06,750
about
those, those ads that youmentioned, the

709
14:39:06,750 --> 14:39:07,959
Republican
ads, I

710
14:39:07,959 --> 14:39:08,667
think
they are

711
14:39:08,667 --> 14:39:10,000
kind
of

712
14:39:10,000 --> 14:39:10,834
doing
their,

713
14:39:10,834 --> 14:39:11,959
their
serving two goals right

714
14:39:11,959 --> 14:39:12,667
now
for

715
14:39:12,667 --> 14:39:13,709
Republicans.
They'rekind of getting

716
14:39:13,709 --> 14:39:15,250
bang for
their buck in a

717
14:39:15,250 --> 14:39:16,250
couple of
ways. I

718
14:39:16,250 --> 14:39:18,250
do think there's a
pretty strong case to

719
14:39:18,250 --> 14:39:19,250
be
made that they

720
14:39:19,250 --> 14:39:20,500
were there
to

721
14:39:20,500 --> 14:39:22,709
prop
up.

722
14:39:22,709 --> 14:39:24,041
Francesca Hong,
they're

723
14:39:24,041 --> 14:39:25,041
saying that
she's a

724
14:39:25,041 --> 14:39:25,959
very liberal
candidate

725
14:39:25,959 --> 14:39:26,667
in
these liberal

726
14:39:26,667 --> 14:39:27,291
media
markets,

727
14:39:27,291 --> 14:39:28,000
but I
think

728
14:39:28,000 --> 14:39:29,500
now
Republicans

729
14:39:29,500 --> 14:39:30,125
do
view

730
14:39:30,125 --> 14:39:30,999
her
as

731
14:39:30,999 --> 14:39:31,667
the
general

732
14:39:31,667 --> 14:39:32,375
election
candidate in

733
14:39:32,375 --> 14:39:33,375
the
way that they're

734
14:39:33,375 --> 14:39:35,375
talking
about her. So they are kindof

735
14:39:35,375 --> 14:39:36,792
getting a head start
on

736
14:39:36,792 --> 14:39:37,375
these
attacks

737
14:39:37,375 --> 14:39:39,041
in some
way.

738
14:39:39,041 --> 14:39:40,999
Ana
, David

739
14:39:40,999 --> 14:39:41,999
Crowley,
and

740
14:39:41,999 --> 14:39:42,999
Mandela Barnes were
kind

741
14:39:42,999 --> 14:39:43,917
of
going at

742
14:39:43,917 --> 14:39:44,999
it
in

743
14:39:44,999 --> 14:39:46,999
as
their

744
14:39:46,999 --> 14:39:48,083
candidacies
progressed

745
14:39:48,083 --> 14:39:49,166
in
this race,

746
14:39:49,166 --> 14:39:50,375
as
MandelaBarnes

747
14:39:50,375 --> 14:39:50,999
kind of
felt

748
14:39:50,999 --> 14:39:52,000
like
David

749
14:39:52,000 --> 14:39:53,083
Crowley
had

750
14:39:53,083 --> 14:39:54,208
blocked
his path.

751
14:39:54,208 --> 14:39:54,999
Now
that

752
14:39:54,999 --> 14:39:55,792
Mandela
Barnes is out

753
14:39:55,792 --> 14:39:56,417
of the
w

754
14:39:56,417 --> 14:39:57,458
ay,
is

755
14:39:57,458 --> 14:39:58,166
there
a

756
14:39:58,166 --> 14:39:59,250
boost
coming for

757
14:39:59,250 --> 14:40:00,041
Crowley?
>> Yeah. I

758
14:40:00,041 --> 14:40:01,750
mean,
you know,it is

759
14:40:01,750 --> 14:40:02,999
possible that, among
other

760
14:40:02,999 --> 14:40:03,999
concerns,
MandelaBarnes

761
14:40:03,999 --> 14:40:04,750
felt
snubbed by

762
14:40:04,750 --> 14:40:05,500
the
fact

763
14:40:05,500 --> 14:40:06,500
that
Governor Tony

764
14:40:06,500 --> 14:40:07,166
Evers
backed

765
14:40:07,166 --> 14:40:07,999
Crowley
and

766
14:40:07,999 --> 14:40:08,625
not him.
He

767
14:40:08,625 --> 14:40:09,375
was
his

768
14:40:09,375 --> 14:40:10,458
lieutenant
governor.

769
14:40:10,458 --> 14:40:11,083
And so
we

770
14:40:11,083 --> 14:40:12,709
saw
barbs, I mean,

771
14:40:12,709 --> 14:40:13,709
like
almost

772
14:40:13,709 --> 14:40:14,375
schoolyard
barbs

773
14:40:14,375 --> 14:40:15,041
on
social

774
14:40:15,041 --> 14:40:16,208
media,
primarily

775
14:40:16,208 --> 14:40:17,999
coming
from,

776
14:40:17,999 --> 14:40:18,999
Barnes
towardsCrowley. But

777
14:40:18,999 --> 14:40:19,999
then Crowley
would sort

778
14:40:19,999 --> 14:40:20,999
of respond in
kind.

779
14:40:20,999 --> 14:40:21,583
So
really

780
14:40:21,583 --> 14:40:22,291
like a
really

781
14:40:22,291 --> 14:40:22,999
kind
of,

782
14:40:22,999 --> 14:40:23,999
it felt
like bad

783
14:40:23,999 --> 14:40:24,999
blood between
them.

784
14:40:24,999 --> 14:40:25,999
One of the
arguments

785
14:40:25,999 --> 14:40:26,667
that
the Barnes camp

786
14:40:26,667 --> 14:40:27,834
has
beenmaking as

787
14:40:27,834 --> 14:40:28,917
other
candidateshave

788
14:40:28,917 --> 14:40:29,999
dropped out
is we

789
14:40:29,999 --> 14:40:30,999
will
absorb

790
14:40:30,999 --> 14:40:31,999
those
votes. And

791
14:40:31,999 --> 14:40:33,041
so
now part of the

792
14:40:33,041 --> 14:40:34,083
question
is,

793
14:40:34,083 --> 14:40:34,999
where
will

794
14:40:34,999 --> 14:40:36,333
these
remainingsort of Barnes

795
14:40:36,333 --> 14:40:36,999
votes go?
Will

796
14:40:36,999 --> 14:40:37,834
they go
further

797
14:40:37,834 --> 14:40:38,542
left
towards

798
14:40:38,542 --> 14:40:39,208
Hong? Will they
go

799
14:40:39,208 --> 14:40:39,999
further
towards the

800
14:40:39,999 --> 14:40:40,999
center,
towards

801
14:40:40,999 --> 14:40:41,875
Crowley?
And of

802
14:40:41,875 --> 14:40:43,333
course, I
haven't checkedthe numbers

803
14:40:43,333 --> 14:40:44,999
recently, but
as of last week,

804
14:40:44,999 --> 14:40:45,750
100,000
absentee

805
14:40:45,750 --> 14:40:46,375
ballots
hadalready

806
14:40:46,375 --> 14:40:47,041
been
turned in. I

807
14:40:47,041 --> 14:40:48,750
imagine
that number is much

808
14:40:48,750 --> 14:40:49,999
higher now. So there's
alsothe

809
14:40:49,999 --> 14:40:51,917
question of
like of the

810
14:40:51,917 --> 14:40:52,583
remaining
voters who

811
14:40:52,583 --> 14:40:53,208
haven't
cast

812
14:40:53,208 --> 14:40:54,999
their
ballots.Some of them

813
14:40:54,999 --> 14:40:56,000
are undecided.
But

814
14:40:56,000 --> 14:40:56,959
those who
were

815
14:40:56,959 --> 14:40:58,083
leaning
towards

816
14:40:58,083 --> 14:40:59,208
Barnes now were are
they going

817
14:40:59,208 --> 14:40:59,999
to go,
especially

818
14:40:59,999 --> 14:41:00,999
if,
you

819
14:41:00,999 --> 14:41:01,999
know,
these allegations

820
14:41:01,999 --> 14:41:02,999
start to
come out and it

821
14:41:02,999 --> 14:41:04,041
becomes
aneven more

822
14:41:04,041 --> 14:41:05,083
chaotic
newscycle that

823
14:41:05,083 --> 14:41:06,208
distracts
fromthe

824
14:41:06,208 --> 14:41:06,999
actual sort
of

825
14:41:06,999 --> 14:41:09,583
meat of
the campaign,

826
14:41:09,583 --> 14:41:10,208
>> Rich,
you

827
14:41:10,208 --> 14:41:10,999
know,
realquick on

828
14:41:10,999 --> 14:41:11,999
that
law, on

829
14:41:11,999 --> 14:41:13,000
those
ballots,

830
14:41:13,000 --> 14:41:13,917
there
was a

831
14:41:13,917 --> 14:41:14,999
lawsuit
filed to

832
14:41:14,999 --> 14:41:15,625
try to
get

833
14:41:15,625 --> 14:41:16,999
them
counted.

834
14:41:16,999 --> 14:41:17,834
A
judge

835
14:41:17,834 --> 14:41:18,458
ruled
on

836
14:41:18,458 --> 14:41:19,125
that this
week.

837
14:41:19,125 --> 14:41:19,999
What
does that

838
14:41:19,999 --> 14:41:20,999
mean
for

839
14:41:20,999 --> 14:41:21,999
those
absentee

840
14:41:21,999 --> 14:41:24,166
ballots?
>> Well,

841
14:41:24,166 --> 14:41:27,041
yeah, the
judge,

842
14:41:27,041 --> 14:41:27,875
dismissed
or

843
14:41:27,875 --> 14:41:28,583
denied
to

844
14:41:28,583 --> 14:41:29,625
issue an
injunction,

845
14:41:29,625 --> 14:41:30,333
essentially
blocking

846
14:41:30,333 --> 14:41:31,917
the
Wisconsin Elections

847
14:41:31,917 --> 14:41:32,625
Commission
guidance

848
14:41:32,625 --> 14:41:33,208
, saying
that

849
14:41:33,208 --> 14:41:34,709
you
cannot,

850
14:41:34,709 --> 14:41:35,333
if
you

851
14:41:35,333 --> 14:41:36,333
have sent
in your

852
14:41:36,333 --> 14:41:37,583
absentee
ballot, you

853
14:41:37,583 --> 14:41:38,208
cannot
ask

854
14:41:38,208 --> 14:41:38,999
for
it to be

855
14:41:38,999 --> 14:41:39,583
spoiled
and

856
14:41:39,583 --> 14:41:40,500
get
anew

857
14:41:40,500 --> 14:41:41,000
one. So
essentially

858
14:41:41,000 --> 14:41:41,959
what
that

859
14:41:41,959 --> 14:41:42,583
means is
that

860
14:41:42,583 --> 14:41:42,999
people
who

861
14:41:42,999 --> 14:41:43,999
have already
cast

862
14:41:43,999 --> 14:41:46,125
ballots
for,

863
14:41:46,125 --> 14:41:47,250
you
know,

864
14:41:47,250 --> 14:41:49,834
Lieutenant Governor
SaraRodriguez Mandela

865
14:41:49,834 --> 14:41:52,291
Barnes,
Missy Hughes,

866
14:41:52,291 --> 14:41:53,417
they're
essentially out

867
14:41:53,417 --> 14:41:54,458
of
luck,

868
14:41:54,458 --> 14:41:55,542
at
this

869
14:41:55,542 --> 14:41:56,667
point.
So

870
14:41:56,667 --> 14:41:57,333
unless
that

871
14:41:57,333 --> 14:41:58,000
changes,
unless

872
14:41:58,000 --> 14:41:59,083
this is
rushed through

873
14:41:59,083 --> 14:42:00,999
an appeal
process up to the

874
14:42:00,999 --> 14:42:02,999
Supreme
Court, and the SupremeCourt makes a

875
14:42:02,999 --> 14:42:05,208
ruling before
August 11th, it kind

876
14:42:05,208 --> 14:42:06,792
of
seems like those

877
14:42:06,792 --> 14:42:07,917
votes
willbe

878
14:42:07,917 --> 14:42:08,959
counted,
but

879
14:42:08,959 --> 14:42:09,667
they
won't

880
14:42:09,667 --> 14:42:10,999
go
anywhere.

881
14:42:10,999 --> 14:42:12,999
>> Zac, we had
a couplepolls out

882
14:42:12,999 --> 14:42:13,667
this
week.

883
14:42:13,667 --> 14:42:14,208
They
both

884
14:42:14,208 --> 14:42:15,792
showed
Francesca Hong

885
14:42:15,792 --> 14:42:16,333
with
at

886
14:42:16,333 --> 14:42:16,917
least
a

887
14:42:16,917 --> 14:42:17,542
20
point

888
14:42:17,542 --> 14:42:18,999
lead.
You

889
14:42:18,999 --> 14:42:19,667
know, one
of

890
14:42:19,667 --> 14:42:20,458
them
showed Mandela

891
14:42:20,458 --> 14:42:21,041
Barnes
Marquette

892
14:42:21,041 --> 14:42:21,917
showed
Mandela,

893
14:42:21,917 --> 14:42:22,917
Barnes and
second David

894
14:42:22,917 --> 14:42:23,999
Crowley down at
about

895
14:42:23,999 --> 14:42:24,999
7%.
But

896
14:42:24,999 --> 14:42:26,041
in the
Marquette

897
14:42:26,041 --> 14:42:26,959
poll,
we're

898
14:42:26,959 --> 14:42:27,542
looking
at a

899
14:42:27,542 --> 14:42:28,750
third of
voters

900
14:42:28,750 --> 14:42:30,458
still
undecided. Now,

901
14:42:30,458 --> 14:42:31,999
Mandela Barnes
is out ofthe

902
14:42:31,999 --> 14:42:33,999
race. You got all
thoseundecided voters. David

903
14:42:33,999 --> 14:42:35,500
Crowley is still
there.

904
14:42:35,500 --> 14:42:36,583
Could
this

905
14:42:36,583 --> 14:42:37,291
race
shake

906
14:42:37,291 --> 14:42:37,999
up
and

907
14:42:37,999 --> 14:42:38,792
change
in the

908
14:42:38,792 --> 14:42:40,166
closing
days?

909
14:42:40,166 --> 14:42:40,999
>> Well,
every

910
14:42:40,999 --> 14:42:41,291
time
we

911
14:42:41,291 --> 14:42:41,999
say
no,

912
14:42:41,999 --> 14:42:43,125
we're
proven

913
14:42:43,125 --> 14:42:43,875
wrong. It
does

914
14:42:43,875 --> 14:42:44,875
get
shaken up

915
14:42:44,875 --> 14:42:45,625
by
larger

916
14:42:45,625 --> 14:42:46,250
events than what
we

917
14:42:46,250 --> 14:42:47,000
probably could
have

918
14:42:47,000 --> 14:42:48,041
predicted on this
show.

919
14:42:48,041 --> 14:42:48,917
But
the

920
14:42:48,917 --> 14:42:49,500
question
is,

921
14:42:49,500 --> 14:42:50,583
is there
enough

922
14:42:50,583 --> 14:42:51,792
room
for

923
14:42:51,792 --> 14:42:52,375
anyone to
gain

924
14:42:52,375 --> 14:42:53,083
enough
ground to

925
14:42:53,083 --> 14:42:54,667
catch
the lead that

926
14:42:54,667 --> 14:42:55,792
Francesca
Hong looks like she

927
14:42:55,792 --> 14:42:56,834
has?
Just talking

928
14:42:56,834 --> 14:42:57,917
about
those

929
14:42:57,917 --> 14:42:58,583
absentee
ballots

930
14:42:58,583 --> 14:43:00,792
that have
been cast, they're notgetting counted

931
14:43:00,792 --> 14:43:01,458
back.
The

932
14:43:01,458 --> 14:43:02,166
question
will be,

933
14:43:02,166 --> 14:43:03,667
once this
race is all

934
14:43:03,667 --> 14:43:04,333
over,
will the

935
14:43:04,333 --> 14:43:04,999
margin
of

936
14:43:04,999 --> 14:43:06,500
votes
that

937
14:43:06,500 --> 14:43:08,250
Mandela Barnes and
Rodriguez

938
14:43:08,250 --> 14:43:08,999
received add
up

939
14:43:08,999 --> 14:43:10,000
to
the

940
14:43:10,000 --> 14:43:10,917
amount
that

941
14:43:10,917 --> 14:43:11,583
the
second place

942
14:43:11,583 --> 14:43:12,166
person
took?

943
14:43:12,166 --> 14:43:12,999
Or will
they

944
14:43:12,999 --> 14:43:13,999
have made a
difference

945
14:43:13,999 --> 14:43:14,875
in some
spoiling

946
14:43:14,875 --> 14:43:15,999
manner?
That will be

947
14:43:15,999 --> 14:43:17,041
interesting math to see,
t

948
14:43:17,041 --> 14:43:19,041
by then we'll have
awinner.

949
14:43:19,041 --> 14:43:20,999
we're either going
to have a

950
14:43:20,999 --> 14:43:21,999
a
massive

951
14:43:21,999 --> 14:43:22,750
comeback
here by

952
14:43:22,750 --> 14:43:23,917
one of
these

953
14:43:23,917 --> 14:43:24,500
candidates
coming

954
14:43:24,500 --> 14:43:25,999
back
to,

955
14:43:25,999 --> 14:43:26,709
I
guess, edge

956
14:43:26,709 --> 14:43:28,792
out
Francesca Hong at the

957
14:43:28,792 --> 14:43:30,792
end,
or else we're going to havethe

958
14:43:30,792 --> 14:43:32,000
most interesting
governor's race in the

959
14:43:32,000 --> 14:43:32,834
country
this

960
14:43:32,834 --> 14:43:33,959
November
between

961
14:43:33,959 --> 14:43:34,583
a
democratic

962
14:43:34,583 --> 14:43:35,291
socialist
and

963
14:43:35,291 --> 14:43:36,375
somebody
that

964
14:43:36,375 --> 14:43:37,417
Democrats will
paint

965
14:43:37,417 --> 14:43:38,500
as an
election denier

966
14:43:38,500 --> 14:43:39,667
in
TomTiffany.

967
14:43:39,667 --> 14:43:40,291
So
get

968
14:43:40,291 --> 14:43:40,999
ready for
alot of

969
14:43:40,999 --> 14:43:42,750
money
and ads tocome

970
14:43:42,750 --> 14:43:44,750
to your state of
Wisconsin, which we are

971
14:43:44,750 --> 14:43:45,750
very used to.
That's

972
14:43:45,750 --> 14:43:47,750
all
the time we have for today.Thanks

973
14:43:47,750 --> 14:43:49,999
for joining us. This
has been

974
14:43:49,999 --> 14:43:51,999
inside Wisconsin
politics. Be sure to followus

975
14:43:51,999 --> 14:43:53,999
on PBS Wisconsin.
Org

976
14:43:53,999 --> 14:43:55,375
WPR.org,
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977
14:43:55,375 --> 14:43:56,000
or
wherever you

978
14:43:56,000 --> 14:43:56,000
get your
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