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>> The
Democratic

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primary
for

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governor
starts to

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get
negative,

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and one
candidate

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turns
to

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national
live

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streams to
raise

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money.
Not

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everyone
is happy

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about
it.

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This
is

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inside Wisconsin
I'mtics.

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Shawn
Johnson

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here with
Wagtendonk and Rich

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Kremer
Eau Claire.

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Hey, gang.
>> Hey,

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Shawn.
>> So I

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want to start
this

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discussion with
a

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simple
question.

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I think a
peoplef

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probably
associate

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political
campaigns

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with
negative

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attacks.
Candidates

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run for
they attack their

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opponents.
So,

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Anya, I'm
wondering

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why
is it

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noteworthy that
inere

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the middle of summer,
we

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have
overt

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negative
in thiss

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Democratic
primary?

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>> Yeah. You
forow, I think

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the last couple
weeks,

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months, there have
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some
snipes, what I

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might
sort of

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a
Midwestern,

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nice
approach to

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trying
to

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get
negative. This

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was
the

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first week that
we got,

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you
a press

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release
from

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a candidate
explicitly

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saying,
my

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opponent has
done

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something
bad. I am

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going
to do something great.

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And that was Mandela
calling out

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Sara Rodriguez,
former

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lieutenant
calling out

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a
lieutenant

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governor
over

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donations that
she

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received
while she

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was
the

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Assembly and
essentially

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trying
to to

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suggest that she
is

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viable,
not. Sois

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making
an

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issue of this in
moreuch

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explicit
littleSo a

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bit of a shot
the bow, six

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weeks out from
midterm to really kind

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of start to make
explicit points.

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>> Rich,
I

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think
this kind

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of
pales

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by
comparison

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from
attacks you

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would
see

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in
national

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politics right
now,

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for
sure. And

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in
past

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Wisconsin campaigns.
you seen

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anything
like

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this
yet

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this
summer?

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>> Not
really.

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I
mean, it's

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it's
as

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Anya
mentioned,

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these these have been
pretty

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mild. And I
we'res if

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thinking
about,

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you
know,

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boneless
buffalo

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wings,
these would

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be
the

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ranch
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the,
the

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blue
cheese type

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of
attacks that

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we've
seen

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thus
far. We're

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starting
to get

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into
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actual, you
know,

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Frank's
redhot

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kind of
territory.

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But
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still, it's
pretty

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tame.
And what

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I was
thinking about

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is the
earlier

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veiled
thatticisms

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we heard,
like

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during
Democratic

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convention
or

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something,
most

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people
really

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tuned in
to

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this
race

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yet.
That is

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your
regular

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voter.
But

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the
people

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that
might

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be
getting

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these
communications from

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the
candidates

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could
be,

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you
know,

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fellow
politicians

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looking
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endorse
one of

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the
six

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candidates in
the

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race
could

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also
be

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messaging
out

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to
money

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groups
or

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donors.
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that's
speculation.

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But
really, unless you're

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really
tuned

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in, you
wouldn't

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be
able to

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connect
the dots between some

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of
until thiss we've

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moment
between

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the
candidates

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when they're
talking

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about
orlectability

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first time
politician,

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etc.
You'd really

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have
do some

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homework
to find

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out.
And

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now
it's,

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it's a
little more

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blatant,
>> So you

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would have to
like a convention, for

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example, when
Kelda

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Roys
says,

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we
can't

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have
anybody

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without
experience

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stepping
here at

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this
time,

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she's,
you know, we

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kind of
whoow

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she's referring
to, but

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she's not
saying

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it.
Francesca Hong

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saying, you
know,

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voters can
detect

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BS.
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don't know, I
suppose

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she
everybody butng

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her.
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this
is

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like
a

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candidate
against

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another
candidate.

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So I
guess

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I'm
wondering, what

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does
it

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say
about

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Mandela
andes

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Sara Rodriguez
that now

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the
isttack

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coming
from

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Mandela
Rodriguez? And by

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the way,
responded

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in
kind.

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>> Absolutely
kindht. It was

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of a forceful
exchange

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of words. So then
response was,

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essentially,
you

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ran for
Senate

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and
Ilost.

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ran
for

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lieutenant
governor and

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won. And
so

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again,
them's

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fightin words.
That's a

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little
bit

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not
Midwest

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nice. So I
think

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it tells us a
of things. One,

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it says
considered to

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be a
serious

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contender, right? You don't
need to

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take
down

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somebody
nowhere

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to
come

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down
from.

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Another
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that
Mandela Barnes

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is
really

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trying to make
utility

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rates a
kind of

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central
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And so
using this

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particular
thing,

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donations
around

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utility
rates is

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also
a way to kind

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of draw attention to
himself. And then I

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think
know,youd thing

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voters
checked out,

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even though,
are less than six

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weeks away from the
absentee ballots have

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already started being sent
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But
there's

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like
a

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way
these

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candidates
to be

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drawing
contrast

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between
themselves

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in a
crowded race

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where there's
super

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strong
distinctions, right? On

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the
the of

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major
issues,

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they're
relatively

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unified.
And so this

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is
oflso a way

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like
distinguishing

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in
ofms

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lanes. So he
didn't go after, for

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example,
Francesca Hong,

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who
is

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a little
bit

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more
on

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his
wing of

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the
Democratic

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Party, he
went after

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somebody who's a little
more moderate. And

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so it's
of, I think, again,

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trying to draw starker
distinctions

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between
inanes

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this
race,

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not just
individual

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candidates.
to maketrying

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sense of the lanes
in this race. I

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mean, I
have a sense of

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it,
feelingy are

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it out too. And
that is kind of

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the way I
it too, is that

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Mandela Barnes probably
s

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like I'm not going
win over the

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Francesca Hong
rily,rters necessa

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but
those

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Rodriguez
supporters,

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they might
be

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my
people.

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>> 1
in a

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crowded
primary,

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you're fighting
over the

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same
voters. You're

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fighting
over

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Democrats,
right? And

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so
you

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also,
it's

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the kind of
where a few

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thousand votes
between winning

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13:29:31,738 --> 13:29:33,540
and not.
certain ways in

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than a general.
so like the contours

289
13:29:35,676 --> 13:29:37,511
of
in the primaryon looks

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13:29:37,578 --> 13:29:39,913
is also
>> Rich.fferent.

291
13:29:40,380 --> 13:29:41,381
>> And
this kind

292
13:29:41,448 --> 13:29:42,616
of
me ofnds

293
13:29:42,683 --> 13:29:44,551
something I heard
a campaign

294
13:29:44,618 --> 13:29:45,919
strategist
2022.n

295
13:29:45,986 --> 13:29:47,254
This was the
Senate race

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13:29:47,321 --> 13:29:47,855
between
Mandela

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13:29:47,921 --> 13:29:48,956
Barnes
and Ron

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13:29:49,022 --> 13:29:50,190
Johnson.
Ron

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13:29:50,257 --> 13:29:51,225
Johnson's
polling

300
13:29:51,291 --> 13:29:51,859
numbers,
you

301
13:29:51,925 --> 13:29:52,659
know,
approval

302
13:29:52,726 --> 13:29:53,327
ratings
weren't

303
13:29:53,393 --> 13:29:53,961
super
high. And

304
13:29:54,027 --> 13:29:54,761
this
this

305
13:29:54,828 --> 13:29:55,929
person who
was a

306
13:29:55,996 --> 13:29:56,930
Republican
campaign

307
13:29:56,997 --> 13:29:58,699
consultant,
said

308
13:29:58,765 --> 13:29:59,333
Johnson
doesn't

309
13:29:59,399 --> 13:30:00,601
need
to

310
13:30:00,667 --> 13:30:01,168
improve his
numbers. He

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13:30:01,235 --> 13:30:01,869
just
needs

312
13:30:01,935 --> 13:30:03,136
to
hurt

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13:30:03,203 --> 13:30:04,137
and bring
down the

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13:30:04,204 --> 13:30:05,072
numbers of
Barnes.

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13:30:05,138 --> 13:30:05,873
So
in a

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13:30:05,939 --> 13:30:06,740
primary
like

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13:30:06,807 --> 13:30:07,374
this,
might

318
13:30:07,441 --> 13:30:08,408
be part of
the

319
13:30:08,475 --> 13:30:09,576
calculus.
Like if

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13:30:09,643 --> 13:30:10,077
someone
seems

321
13:30:10,143 --> 13:30:10,944
to
be

322
13:30:11,011 --> 13:30:11,678
whether it
be

323
13:30:11,745 --> 13:30:12,379
from
internal

324
13:30:12,446 --> 13:30:13,614
polling
or

325
13:30:13,680 --> 13:30:15,682
whatever,
getting some

326
13:30:15,749 --> 13:30:16,316
ground in
your campaign

327
13:30:16,383 --> 13:30:17,117
doesn't
like

328
13:30:17,184 --> 13:30:17,851
that.
Try to

329
13:30:17,918 --> 13:30:18,519
knock
them down a

330
13:30:18,585 --> 13:30:20,053
bit.
>> So

331
13:30:20,120 --> 13:30:20,954
I guess
I wonder if

332
13:30:21,021 --> 13:30:21,755
this
is

333
13:30:21,822 --> 13:30:23,223
kind of
uncorking

334
13:30:23,290 --> 13:30:23,991
the
bottle, so

335
13:30:24,057 --> 13:30:24,992
to speak,
you know,

336
13:30:25,058 --> 13:30:25,759
like,
is this

337
13:30:25,826 --> 13:30:27,227
going
to be the new

338
13:30:27,294 --> 13:30:28,295
norm
fightat a

339
13:30:28,362 --> 13:30:29,263
started?
it

340
13:30:29,329 --> 13:30:30,430
okay
for

341
13:30:30,497 --> 13:30:31,532
Democrats to
say,

342
13:30:31,598 --> 13:30:32,266
well,
you know,

343
13:30:32,332 --> 13:30:32,933
I
didn't start

344
13:30:33,000 --> 13:30:34,201
it,
but but

345
13:30:34,268 --> 13:30:35,903
I
to finish it now,

346
13:30:35,969 --> 13:30:37,004
or
see sorthey

347
13:30:37,070 --> 13:30:37,871
of
urgency of

348
13:30:37,938 --> 13:30:38,772
the
primary

349
13:30:38,839 --> 13:30:39,540
coming
up. And,

350
13:30:39,606 --> 13:30:40,841
and
want toy

351
13:30:40,908 --> 13:30:42,009
stand out,
do they

352
13:30:42,075 --> 13:30:42,876
have to
attack? Is

353
13:30:42,943 --> 13:30:43,243
there
any

354
13:30:43,310 --> 13:30:44,011
signs
that

355
13:30:44,077 --> 13:30:44,912
that's
happening?

356
13:30:44,978 --> 13:30:45,412
>> Well, it's
a little

357
13:30:45,479 --> 13:30:46,680
bit
of a

358
13:30:46,747 --> 13:30:47,648
calculation
because,

359
13:30:47,714 --> 13:30:48,248
you
know, on

360
13:30:48,315 --> 13:30:49,082
the
one hand,

361
13:30:49,149 --> 13:30:50,617
negative
attacks

362
13:30:50,684 --> 13:30:51,952
can get
you more

363
13:30:52,019 --> 13:30:52,953
attention if
of're kind

364
13:30:53,020 --> 13:30:53,520
sassy on
social

365
13:30:53,587 --> 13:30:54,321
media, that
tends

366
13:30:54,388 --> 13:30:55,222
to
resonate a little

367
13:30:55,289 --> 13:30:56,657
bit more.
But at

368
13:30:56,723 --> 13:30:58,258
the same time, you
don't want to weaken

369
13:30:58,325 --> 13:30:59,193
fellow
Democrats

370
13:30:59,259 --> 13:31:00,561
terribly
because

371
13:31:00,627 --> 13:31:01,895
ultimately
gohey're going to

372
13:31:01,962 --> 13:31:02,763
up against,
Tomesumably,

373
13:31:02,829 --> 13:31:03,730
Tiffany in
November

374
13:31:03,797 --> 13:31:04,598
for
what

375
13:31:04,665 --> 13:31:04,865
is going
to

376
13:31:04,932 --> 13:31:05,899
be a
close

377
13:31:05,966 --> 13:31:06,767
race, like a
general

378
13:31:06,834 --> 13:31:08,302
election
in

379
13:31:08,368 --> 13:31:09,436
Wisconsin is
Andose.going to be

380
13:31:09,503 --> 13:31:11,238
so you
want to kind of

381
13:31:11,305 --> 13:31:13,273
weaken your opponents
that you can get

382
13:31:13,340 --> 13:31:15,275
across the finish line,
not so much

383
13:31:15,342 --> 13:31:17,344
that you kind
leave your entire party

384
13:31:17,411 --> 13:31:18,579
susceptible to
Tom Tiffany,.

385
13:31:18,645 --> 13:31:19,213
picking
up

386
13:31:19,279 --> 13:31:19,980
what
you've

387
13:31:20,047 --> 13:31:20,814
already
said

388
13:31:20,881 --> 13:31:21,448
and running
with

389
13:31:21,515 --> 13:31:23,183
it.
>> Rich,

390
13:31:23,617 --> 13:31:24,952
what do
>> Yeah,nk?

391
13:31:25,018 --> 13:31:26,720
it's it's,
I agree

392
13:31:26,787 --> 13:31:27,921
100%.
And

393
13:31:27,988 --> 13:31:28,989
I mean,
no matter

394
13:31:29,056 --> 13:31:30,090
who the
Democratic

395
13:31:30,157 --> 13:31:31,124
candidate
is,

396
13:31:31,191 --> 13:31:32,326
it would
be

397
13:31:32,392 --> 13:31:33,393
surprising
if the

398
13:31:33,460 --> 13:31:34,094
entirety
the

399
13:31:34,161 --> 13:31:34,628
party
doesn't

400
13:31:34,695 --> 13:31:35,495
try
to

401
13:31:35,562 --> 13:31:36,396
rally
around

402
13:31:36,463 --> 13:31:37,264
them,
this race

403
13:31:37,331 --> 13:31:38,065
is
pretty

404
13:31:38,131 --> 13:31:38,799
critical for
them

405
13:31:38,866 --> 13:31:39,466
as
they're

406
13:31:39,533 --> 13:31:40,300
they're
hoping,

407
13:31:40,367 --> 13:31:41,301
you
the best

408
13:31:41,368 --> 13:31:41,835
case
wouldio

409
13:31:41,902 --> 13:31:42,769
be
a

410
13:31:42,836 --> 13:31:43,437
trifecta
where they

411
13:31:43,504 --> 13:31:44,505
win
state

412
13:31:44,571 --> 13:31:45,138
assembly,
state

413
13:31:45,205 --> 13:31:46,073
Senate
and

414
13:31:46,139 --> 13:31:47,307
keep the
governorship.

415
13:31:47,374 --> 13:31:49,009
So
maybe

416
13:31:49,076 --> 13:31:49,910
that's also why
the

417
13:31:49,977 --> 13:31:50,644
attacks
have

418
13:31:50,711 --> 13:31:51,311
been
kind of

419
13:31:51,378 --> 13:31:53,046
mild.
But

420
13:31:54,314 --> 13:31:55,382
whoever it
is,

421
13:31:55,449 --> 13:31:56,016
that bad
blood

422
13:31:56,083 --> 13:31:57,718
will
likely

423
13:31:57,784 --> 13:31:58,318
magically
disappear, at

424
13:31:58,385 --> 13:32:00,053
least
publicly

425
13:32:00,587 --> 13:32:01,455
after the
August

426
13:32:01,522 --> 13:32:02,823
primary.
>> So,

427
13:32:02,890 --> 13:32:03,824
Anya,
there

428
13:32:03,891 --> 13:32:05,158
was
a

429
13:32:05,225 --> 13:32:05,792
story that you
covered

430
13:32:05,859 --> 13:32:07,394
this
week

431
13:32:07,461 --> 13:32:08,829
involving
Hongncesca

432
13:32:08,896 --> 13:32:09,496
fundraising
strategy

433
13:32:09,563 --> 13:32:10,464
here. It
was at the

434
13:32:10,531 --> 13:32:11,932
end
the fundraising period,

435
13:32:11,999 --> 13:32:12,799
by
wherey,

436
13:32:12,866 --> 13:32:13,734
she
awent on

437
13:32:13,800 --> 13:32:14,902
couple
of

438
13:32:14,968 --> 13:32:15,769
national
livestreams

439
13:32:15,836 --> 13:32:16,603
to
raise

440
13:32:16,670 --> 13:32:17,771
money.
Tell us

441
13:32:17,838 --> 13:32:19,006
about who
talked

442
13:32:19,072 --> 13:32:21,008
to and why is
significant?

443
13:32:21,074 --> 13:32:22,743
so she went on
on Monday. One

444
13:32:22,809 --> 13:32:23,911
was Mike
PA,

445
13:32:23,977 --> 13:32:25,846
who's sort of a
progressive

446
13:32:25,913 --> 13:32:26,880
streamer
aligned with the

447
13:32:26,947 --> 13:32:27,814
Democratic
Socialists of

448
13:32:27,881 --> 13:32:28,448
America.
has

449
13:32:28,515 --> 13:32:29,316
a pretty
big

450
13:32:29,383 --> 13:32:30,450
following.
And then

451
13:32:30,517 --> 13:32:32,085
she went on with
Hasan Piker, who's

452
13:32:32,152 --> 13:32:32,753
arguably
one of

453
13:32:32,819 --> 13:32:33,921
the
biggest

454
13:32:33,987 --> 13:32:35,322
political
streamers

455
13:32:35,389 --> 13:32:35,989
online,
and

456
13:32:36,056 --> 13:32:36,690
he's
become

457
13:32:36,757 --> 13:32:37,391
something
of

458
13:32:37,457 --> 13:32:38,091
a
kingmaker

459
13:32:38,158 --> 13:32:38,959
or
perhaps

460
13:32:39,026 --> 13:32:40,327
attempted
kingmaker on

461
13:32:40,394 --> 13:32:42,229
the
oft

462
13:32:42,296 --> 13:32:42,896
American politics.
appeared

463
13:32:42,963 --> 13:32:43,463
with a
number

464
13:32:43,530 --> 13:32:45,065
of
DSA

465
13:32:45,132 --> 13:32:45,599
aligned or
sort

466
13:32:45,666 --> 13:32:47,334
of
leftist

467
13:32:47,835 --> 13:32:48,669
politicians.
And so she

468
13:32:48,735 --> 13:32:49,870
went on with
him.

469
13:32:49,937 --> 13:32:51,839
It was about an
halfr and a

470
13:32:51,905 --> 13:32:52,840
appearance. It was a
sort of

471
13:32:52,906 --> 13:32:53,607
fun
and

472
13:32:53,674 --> 13:32:54,308
chatty.
They

473
13:32:54,374 --> 13:32:55,509
talked
about

474
13:32:55,576 --> 13:32:56,109
politics,
but they

475
13:32:56,176 --> 13:32:57,077
also
ate

476
13:32:57,144 --> 13:32:58,145
Korean
food and they

477
13:32:58,212 --> 13:32:58,612
talked about
merchandise,

478
13:32:58,679 --> 13:32:59,046
and
they

479
13:32:59,112 --> 13:32:59,713
talked
about

480
13:32:59,780 --> 13:33:00,047
whether
they

481
13:33:00,113 --> 13:33:00,781
should
erect

482
13:33:00,848 --> 13:33:02,216
a
statue of

483
13:33:02,282 --> 13:33:03,250
Scott Walker for people to
walk

484
13:33:03,317 --> 13:33:03,684
around
and slap

485
13:33:03,750 --> 13:33:04,852
when
they

486
13:33:04,918 --> 13:33:05,819
have big
feelings.

487
13:33:05,886 --> 13:33:06,520
So
was

488
13:33:06,587 --> 13:33:06,987
this
really, you

489
13:33:07,054 --> 13:33:07,788
know,
it's a very

490
13:33:07,855 --> 13:33:08,789
different
kind of

491
13:33:08,856 --> 13:33:09,523
appearance
than

492
13:33:09,590 --> 13:33:10,257
might
occur

493
13:33:10,324 --> 13:33:11,325
sort of
here on

494
13:33:11,391 --> 13:33:13,060
PBS
Wisconsin or.

495
13:33:14,228 --> 13:33:14,895
But
wasat

496
13:33:14,962 --> 13:33:15,629
this
kind of

497
13:33:15,696 --> 13:33:16,930
approach
to,

498
13:33:16,997 --> 13:33:18,232
according to
Hongncesca

499
13:33:18,298 --> 13:33:18,966
meeting,
different

500
13:33:19,032 --> 13:33:20,100
types of
voters, more

501
13:33:20,167 --> 13:33:20,734
disaffected
voters, the

502
13:33:20,801 --> 13:33:21,468
type
of people who

503
13:33:21,535 --> 13:33:22,469
keep
these streams

504
13:33:22,536 --> 13:33:23,570
going,
again,

505
13:33:23,637 --> 13:33:24,271
perhaps
very

506
13:33:24,338 --> 13:33:24,938
different
voters

507
13:33:25,005 --> 13:33:25,572
than
our,

508
13:33:25,639 --> 13:33:27,274
our,
our

509
13:33:27,341 --> 13:33:28,208
audience.
But at the

510
13:33:28,275 --> 13:33:29,343
same
time,

511
13:33:29,409 --> 13:33:30,477
Hasan
Piker has

512
13:33:30,544 --> 13:33:32,112
said
numerous very

513
13:33:32,179 --> 13:33:33,280
controversial
past, in the

514
13:33:33,347 --> 13:33:34,248
things
about

515
13:33:34,314 --> 13:33:35,716
Israel
in

516
13:33:35,782 --> 13:33:37,084
particular
offended

517
13:33:37,150 --> 13:33:37,985
some
communities.

518
13:33:38,051 --> 13:33:38,685
And so
there's

519
13:33:38,752 --> 13:33:40,153
also
been a

520
13:33:40,220 --> 13:33:41,321
response.
havingnded the day

521
13:33:41,388 --> 13:33:42,890
raised about
$92,000

522
13:33:42,956 --> 13:33:43,724
from those two
different

523
13:33:43,790 --> 13:33:44,424
streams.
Hasan

524
13:33:44,491 --> 13:33:45,425
Piker
said

525
13:33:45,492 --> 13:33:47,294
now he's
outing to come

526
13:33:47,361 --> 13:33:49,263
to Wisconsin and
with her. But at

527
13:33:49,329 --> 13:33:51,064
the same time, there's
this kind of

528
13:33:51,131 --> 13:33:51,732
pushback from
Democrats

529
13:33:51,798 --> 13:33:52,332
and
others

530
13:33:52,399 --> 13:33:52,833
saying,
why

531
13:33:52,900 --> 13:33:53,567
would you
appear

532
13:33:53,634 --> 13:33:54,268
with
somebody who

533
13:33:54,334 --> 13:33:55,936
has said
X, Y, Z in

534
13:33:56,003 --> 13:33:57,538
the
>> And and

535
13:33:57,604 --> 13:33:59,239
so
seeke you did

536
13:33:59,306 --> 13:34:00,307
some attack there
from

537
13:34:00,374 --> 13:34:01,341
David
Crowley kind

538
13:34:01,408 --> 13:34:02,809
of like
saying

539
13:34:02,876 --> 13:34:03,577
you
should just

540
13:34:03,644 --> 13:34:04,511
you
shouldn't go

541
13:34:04,578 --> 13:34:06,013
on here.
I mean,

542
13:34:06,079 --> 13:34:07,147
essentially, yeah.
>> He said

543
13:34:07,214 --> 13:34:08,015
those comments
beyond

544
13:34:08,081 --> 13:34:09,049
the pale.
youd,

545
13:34:09,116 --> 13:34:10,350
know, I should
perhaps

546
13:34:10,417 --> 13:34:12,386
specify what they were.
he has said,

547
13:34:12,452 --> 13:34:13,654
for example,
11 was deserved.

548
13:34:13,720 --> 13:34:14,454
And
he says that

549
13:34:14,521 --> 13:34:15,422
he
referring to

550
13:34:15,489 --> 13:34:16,690
this
idea that

551
13:34:16,757 --> 13:34:17,558
America's foreign
policy

552
13:34:17,624 --> 13:34:18,926
actions
have

553
13:34:18,992 --> 13:34:19,660
consequences.
again,n

554
13:34:19,726 --> 13:34:20,627
a
hismber of

555
13:34:20,694 --> 13:34:21,128
comments
about

556
13:34:21,195 --> 13:34:22,563
Israel
and

557
13:34:22,629 --> 13:34:23,564
Zionism
has

558
13:34:23,630 --> 13:34:24,364
has
sort of

559
13:34:24,431 --> 13:34:25,532
been
seen as

560
13:34:25,599 --> 13:34:27,167
conflating
Jewish

561
13:34:27,234 --> 13:34:27,868
American Zionists,
this kind

562
13:34:27,935 --> 13:34:28,836
of thing.
And

563
13:34:28,902 --> 13:34:29,369
so
I spoke with,

564
13:34:29,436 --> 13:34:30,170
for
example,

565
13:34:30,237 --> 13:34:30,871
Ann Jacobs,
who's

566
13:34:30,938 --> 13:34:31,805
the
co-chair

567
13:34:31,872 --> 13:34:32,673
of
the

568
13:34:32,739 --> 13:34:33,207
Jewish
Caucus

569
13:34:33,273 --> 13:34:34,741
of
the

570
13:34:34,808 --> 13:34:35,576
Wisconsin
Party,tic

571
13:34:35,642 --> 13:34:36,143
who was
really

572
13:34:36,210 --> 13:34:36,977
kind
of

573
13:34:37,044 --> 13:34:37,978
appalled by
the

574
13:34:38,045 --> 13:34:39,246
fact that
Hong would

575
13:34:39,313 --> 13:34:40,514
go
thisngside

576
13:34:40,581 --> 13:34:41,715
person
and

577
13:34:41,782 --> 13:34:42,516
said
youat,

578
13:34:42,583 --> 13:34:43,116
know,
should Hong

579
13:34:43,183 --> 13:34:44,651
received
the

580
13:34:44,718 --> 13:34:46,253
nomination in
November, she feels like

581
13:34:46,320 --> 13:34:48,322
she's going to have
of work

582
13:34:48,388 --> 13:34:49,556
to do to bring
Jewish Democrats kind

583
13:34:49,623 --> 13:34:50,557
of
into the

584
13:34:50,624 --> 13:34:51,391
ballot
box

585
13:34:51,458 --> 13:34:52,226
to make
sure that

586
13:34:52,292 --> 13:34:52,759
a
Democrat

587
13:34:52,826 --> 13:34:53,493
can
still

588
13:34:53,560 --> 13:34:54,761
win.
And

589
13:34:54,828 --> 13:34:56,196
again,
know, I

590
13:34:56,263 --> 13:34:58,198
reached out to the
Hong campaign for comment

591
13:34:58,265 --> 13:35:00,133
and they said, essentially,
we are willing to

592
13:35:00,200 --> 13:35:02,069
meet with
ouryone to share

593
13:35:02,135 --> 13:35:04,338
vision if we don't
on these types

594
13:35:04,404 --> 13:35:05,973
of platforms,
conservativeat

595
13:35:06,039 --> 13:35:06,940
messaging can
to. So go

596
13:35:07,007 --> 13:35:08,008
they're
trying

597
13:35:08,075 --> 13:35:09,243
to create this sort
of big tent.

598
13:35:09,309 --> 13:35:10,844
Some
concern from

599
13:35:10,911 --> 13:35:11,712
other
whocrats is

600
13:35:11,778 --> 13:35:12,679
all should
be in

601
13:35:12,746 --> 13:35:13,981
the big
>>ent.

602
13:35:14,047 --> 13:35:15,716
And how much did
raise in a

603
13:35:15,782 --> 13:35:16,550
day?
>> $92,000,

604
13:35:16,617 --> 13:35:17,317
$57,000
from

605
13:35:17,384 --> 13:35:18,018
Hasan
Piker

606
13:35:18,085 --> 13:35:19,119
or
from that

607
13:35:19,186 --> 13:35:20,254
stream.
>> And,

608
13:35:20,320 --> 13:35:21,355
you know,
for

609
13:35:21,421 --> 13:35:22,022
somebody who's
watched

610
13:35:22,089 --> 13:35:22,890
those
streams, they

611
13:35:22,956 --> 13:35:24,091
kind of
know what to

612
13:35:24,157 --> 13:35:24,458
expect
for

613
13:35:24,525 --> 13:35:25,726
somebody
who

614
13:35:25,792 --> 13:35:27,094
doesn't.
a bit

615
13:35:27,160 --> 13:35:28,929
it's a little busy
those streams, is

616
13:35:28,996 --> 13:35:30,998
it not?
As a, you know,

617
13:35:31,064 --> 13:35:33,066
a
say itlradio girly,

618
13:35:33,133 --> 13:35:35,002
was a little bit
stimulating to have that

619
13:35:35,068 --> 13:35:37,004
kind of thing going.
think people

620
13:35:37,070 --> 13:35:39,006
who are
ise like this

621
13:35:39,072 --> 13:35:41,208
how they are getting
lot of their,

622
13:35:41,275 --> 13:35:43,110
their news
in thisain,tion.

623
13:35:43,177 --> 13:35:45,012
kind of funny,
>> All right.

624
13:35:45,078 --> 13:35:46,980
What do you
Chad? I don't know.

625
13:35:47,047 --> 13:35:49,216
Is that how it's
>> Right, fam?

626
13:35:49,283 --> 13:35:51,151
>> Rich, rich Kremer,
are Republicans saying

627
13:35:51,218 --> 13:35:53,787
about this appearance there
by Francesca Hong?

628
13:35:53,854 --> 13:35:54,855
>> They're
saying a

629
13:35:54,922 --> 13:35:56,590
lot.
they're

630
13:35:56,657 --> 13:35:57,658
framing it.
As

631
13:35:57,724 --> 13:35:58,192
you
know, this

632
13:35:58,258 --> 13:35:59,126
is
the

633
13:35:59,193 --> 13:35:59,826
entire
Democratic

634
13:35:59,893 --> 13:36:00,794
Party
lurching to

635
13:36:00,861 --> 13:36:01,562
the
left

636
13:36:01,628 --> 13:36:02,396
towards
these

637
13:36:02,462 --> 13:36:03,430
what they
call

638
13:36:03,497 --> 13:36:04,131
dangerous
ideas

639
13:36:04,198 --> 13:36:05,799
and
comments.

640
13:36:05,866 --> 13:36:06,600
So
they've

641
13:36:06,667 --> 13:36:07,768
they've
been

642
13:36:07,835 --> 13:36:08,335
very
critical

643
13:36:08,402 --> 13:36:09,002
of
Hong.

644
13:36:09,069 --> 13:36:10,270
But
again,

645
13:36:10,337 --> 13:36:11,238
they're
conflating

646
13:36:11,305 --> 13:36:12,973
this
to

647
13:36:13,574 --> 13:36:14,575
to try
to say

648
13:36:14,641 --> 13:36:15,275
that all
Democrats

649
13:36:15,342 --> 13:36:16,310
are
essentially

650
13:36:16,376 --> 13:36:18,111
Hasan
Piker

651
13:36:18,178 --> 13:36:19,012
fans and
they

652
13:36:19,079 --> 13:36:19,513
support
everything that

653
13:36:19,580 --> 13:36:20,247
he's
ever

654
13:36:20,314 --> 13:36:21,381
said,
which

655
13:36:21,448 --> 13:36:23,116
is
obviously an

656
13:36:23,183 --> 13:36:23,851
exaggeration, but that
seems

657
13:36:23,917 --> 13:36:25,352
to be
the way

658
13:36:25,419 --> 13:36:27,120
you do
tryingics when you're

659
13:36:27,187 --> 13:36:28,455
to bring down the
other side.

660
13:36:28,522 --> 13:36:29,223
>> And
we'll

661
13:36:29,289 --> 13:36:30,390
get a
sense

662
13:36:30,457 --> 13:36:30,891
in
middle

663
13:36:30,958 --> 13:36:32,226
of
July,

664
13:36:32,292 --> 13:36:32,860
July
fundraisingn

665
13:36:32,926 --> 13:36:33,594
reports
are

666
13:36:33,660 --> 13:36:34,394
due
for the

667
13:36:34,461 --> 13:36:35,429
first half of
this

668
13:36:35,495 --> 13:36:36,296
year. So
seell

669
13:36:36,363 --> 13:36:37,364
not
only that

670
13:36:37,431 --> 13:36:37,998
fundraising, but
everybody

671
13:36:38,065 --> 13:36:39,099
else's
fundraising

672
13:36:39,166 --> 13:36:40,033
up
thatgh

673
13:36:40,100 --> 13:36:40,834
point.
And,

674
13:36:40,901 --> 13:36:41,668
you
know, you'll

675
13:36:41,735 --> 13:36:42,803
get a
sense of

676
13:36:42,870 --> 13:36:44,671
who's
formidable

677
13:36:44,738 --> 13:36:45,205
campaign
before

678
13:36:45,272 --> 13:36:46,073
the
campaign

679
13:36:46,139 --> 13:36:46,673
wraps
Essentially,

680
13:36:46,740 --> 13:36:47,574
we're
to be

681
13:36:47,641 --> 13:36:48,842
in a
very

682
13:36:48,909 --> 13:36:50,244
compressed
primary

683
13:36:50,310 --> 13:36:51,712
campaign
here.

684
13:36:51,778 --> 13:36:52,346
Rich
Tom Tiffany,

685
13:36:52,412 --> 13:36:53,313
the
Republican

686
13:36:53,380 --> 13:36:54,781
candidate for
governor, is

687
13:36:54,848 --> 13:36:55,549
had
the

688
13:36:55,616 --> 13:36:56,283
benefit of
not

689
13:36:56,350 --> 13:36:57,484
having a
real

690
13:36:57,551 --> 13:36:58,385
contested
primary on

691
13:36:58,452 --> 13:37:00,187
his
side.

692
13:37:00,254 --> 13:37:00,921
And
he's

693
13:37:00,988 --> 13:37:02,656
getting
a

694
13:37:03,257 --> 13:37:04,858
correspondence now from
president of the United

695
13:37:04,925 --> 13:37:06,460
States about disaster
declaration.

696
13:37:06,527 --> 13:37:07,160
What
happened

697
13:37:07,227 --> 13:37:08,896
there?
>> It was

698
13:37:09,496 --> 13:37:11,732
really
interesting. So

699
13:37:12,065 --> 13:37:13,066
President
Trump used

700
13:37:13,133 --> 13:37:14,234
his
his

701
13:37:14,301 --> 13:37:15,002
personal
social

702
13:37:15,068 --> 13:37:16,069
media
site,

703
13:37:16,136 --> 13:37:17,938
Truth
Social

704
13:37:18,005 --> 13:37:19,540
to
thatounce

705
13:37:19,606 --> 13:37:20,407
Wisconsin has been
approved

706
13:37:20,474 --> 13:37:22,142
for
around

707
13:37:23,644 --> 13:37:24,645
$22.5
disastern

708
13:37:24,711 --> 13:37:25,646
relief
aid.

709
13:37:25,712 --> 13:37:27,214
This
is

710
13:37:27,281 --> 13:37:28,081
tied to
the

711
13:37:28,148 --> 13:37:28,782
storms
that we saw

712
13:37:28,849 --> 13:37:29,650
earlier
this year,

713
13:37:29,716 --> 13:37:30,484
big
time

714
13:37:30,551 --> 13:37:31,952
flooding,
other

715
13:37:32,019 --> 13:37:33,086
kinds of
damage that really hit

716
13:37:33,153 --> 13:37:34,154
local
governments

717
13:37:34,221 --> 13:37:34,721
pretty
hard.

718
13:37:34,788 --> 13:37:35,656
So
he made

719
13:37:35,722 --> 13:37:36,557
this
announcement,

720
13:37:36,623 --> 13:37:38,458
which is
not

721
13:37:38,525 --> 13:37:39,459
unusual,
but he

722
13:37:39,526 --> 13:37:40,194
didn't
mention

723
13:37:40,260 --> 13:37:40,961
Governor
Evers

724
13:37:41,028 --> 13:37:41,795
once.
In fact,

725
13:37:41,862 --> 13:37:42,396
he
said that the

726
13:37:42,462 --> 13:37:43,363
first
call that he

727
13:37:43,430 --> 13:37:43,997
made
was

728
13:37:44,064 --> 13:37:45,232
to
Tom

729
13:37:45,299 --> 13:37:45,832
Tiffany,
who

730
13:37:45,899 --> 13:37:46,733
he
also

731
13:37:46,800 --> 13:37:47,835
mentioned
I

732
13:37:47,901 --> 13:37:48,435
endorsed,
and

733
13:37:48,502 --> 13:37:49,236
he
kind of

734
13:37:49,303 --> 13:37:50,671
re-upped
that

735
13:37:50,737 --> 13:37:52,406
.
also

736
13:37:52,739 --> 13:37:53,240
essentially
applauded

737
13:37:53,307 --> 13:37:54,041
every
Republican

738
13:37:54,107 --> 13:37:55,742
in the
congressional

739
13:37:55,809 --> 13:37:56,944
delegation
and

740
13:37:57,010 --> 13:37:58,445
didn't
mention a single

741
13:37:58,512 --> 13:37:59,613
Democrat
Wisconsin,

742
13:37:59,680 --> 13:38:00,414
even
though

743
13:38:00,480 --> 13:38:01,415
Governor
Tony

744
13:38:01,481 --> 13:38:02,850
Evers
and

745
13:38:02,916 --> 13:38:03,750
people
like

746
13:38:03,817 --> 13:38:04,952
Tammy
andldwin

747
13:38:05,018 --> 13:38:05,786
the rest
delegation

748
13:38:05,853 --> 13:38:06,453
sent
letters

749
13:38:06,520 --> 13:38:07,554
in
May

750
13:38:07,621 --> 13:38:08,422
asking
for

751
13:38:08,488 --> 13:38:09,056
this
assistance,

752
13:38:09,122 --> 13:38:09,723
they were
asking

753
13:38:09,790 --> 13:38:11,425
for
$27 million.

754
13:38:11,491 --> 13:38:13,026
So
it

755
13:38:13,093 --> 13:38:13,927
almost
seemed

756
13:38:13,994 --> 13:38:15,295
like the
president was

757
13:38:15,362 --> 13:38:16,430
treating
Tiffany like

758
13:38:16,496 --> 13:38:17,431
he's
theready

759
13:38:17,497 --> 13:38:18,799
governor.
And that

760
13:38:18,866 --> 13:38:19,533
that
Evers is

761
13:38:19,600 --> 13:38:20,701
already
kind of an

762
13:38:20,767 --> 13:38:21,802
afterthought.
So that

763
13:38:21,869 --> 13:38:22,736
was
was pretty

764
13:38:22,803 --> 13:38:23,437
interesting
to

765
13:38:23,504 --> 13:38:24,104
see.
>> And

766
13:38:24,171 --> 13:38:25,305
the
Evers

767
13:38:25,372 --> 13:38:26,206
administration essentially
doesn't know

768
13:38:26,273 --> 13:38:28,075
the details,
at least when you

769
13:38:28,141 --> 13:38:29,977
talk to
details know the

770
13:38:30,043 --> 13:38:31,912
of the funding. You
reached out to the

771
13:38:31,979 --> 13:38:32,746
white
and hadess office

772
13:38:32,813 --> 13:38:34,248
a
series of

773
13:38:34,314 --> 13:38:35,048
questions
for

774
13:38:35,115 --> 13:38:36,016
them about the
details, and

775
13:38:36,083 --> 13:38:36,950
they had
a

776
13:38:37,017 --> 13:38:37,384
very brief
response

777
13:38:37,451 --> 13:38:39,119
to
you.

778
13:38:39,720 --> 13:38:40,754
>> That's right. I
to Ited

779
13:38:40,821 --> 13:38:42,022
asked,
you know,

780
13:38:42,089 --> 13:38:43,023
when
this money

781
13:38:43,090 --> 13:38:44,091
be
What type of

782
13:38:44,157 --> 13:38:45,058
aid?
there'se

783
13:38:45,125 --> 13:38:45,759
aid from
the

784
13:38:45,826 --> 13:38:46,627
from
FEMA that

785
13:38:46,693 --> 13:38:48,595
goes to
businesses or

786
13:38:48,662 --> 13:38:49,596
governments
individuals.

787
13:38:49,663 --> 13:38:50,430
I
so

788
13:38:50,497 --> 13:38:51,265
those
the

789
13:38:51,331 --> 13:38:52,165
questions I
andked,

790
13:38:52,232 --> 13:38:53,667
they just said,
we

791
13:38:53,734 --> 13:38:54,735
refer you to
the

792
13:38:54,801 --> 13:38:55,402
truth,
which

793
13:38:55,469 --> 13:38:56,303
means to
the

794
13:38:56,370 --> 13:38:57,905
president's
post.

795
13:38:57,971 --> 13:38:58,705
So
they

796
13:38:58,772 --> 13:38:59,573
didn't have
any

797
13:38:59,640 --> 13:39:00,507
additional
information.

798
13:39:00,574 --> 13:39:01,175
>> All
right.

799
13:39:01,241 --> 13:39:01,842
So we
had

800
13:39:01,909 --> 13:39:02,543
two
very

801
13:39:02,609 --> 13:39:03,443
big
Supreme

802
13:39:03,510 --> 13:39:04,011
Court
decisions,

803
13:39:04,077 --> 13:39:04,878
US
Supreme

804
13:39:04,945 --> 13:39:05,579
Court
decisions

805
13:39:05,646 --> 13:39:06,580
this
week, which

806
13:39:06,647 --> 13:39:07,814
were
national

807
13:39:07,881 --> 13:39:09,049
news. But I
think

808
13:39:09,116 --> 13:39:10,817
it's fair to say
there are some

809
13:39:10,884 --> 13:39:12,186
Wisconsin
there.in

810
13:39:12,252 --> 13:39:13,353
First,
this this

811
13:39:13,420 --> 13:39:14,521
birthright
citizenship

812
13:39:14,588 --> 13:39:15,255
decision.
Rich,

813
13:39:15,322 --> 13:39:15,989
I
think this

814
13:39:16,056 --> 13:39:17,558
was
widely

815
13:39:17,624 --> 13:39:18,258
expected
that the

816
13:39:18,325 --> 13:39:19,259
court
would rule

817
13:39:19,326 --> 13:39:20,394
against
President

818
13:39:20,460 --> 13:39:21,061
Trump's
executive

819
13:39:21,128 --> 13:39:21,862
order
and say

820
13:39:21,929 --> 13:39:23,263
that
birthright

821
13:39:23,330 --> 13:39:23,997
citizenship
is

822
13:39:24,064 --> 13:39:24,765
protected
by the

823
13:39:24,831 --> 13:39:26,533
US
Constitution. But

824
13:39:26,600 --> 13:39:27,501
there are
Republicans,

825
13:39:27,568 --> 13:39:28,802
and I
mean

826
13:39:28,869 --> 13:39:30,237
noteworthy
Republicans in

827
13:39:30,304 --> 13:39:30,938
Wisconsin who are
weaying,

828
13:39:31,004 --> 13:39:32,339
got
abouto something

829
13:39:32,406 --> 13:39:34,074
this.
>> Yeah.

830
13:39:34,374 --> 13:39:35,042
To
to

831
13:39:35,108 --> 13:39:36,109
to
borrow

832
13:39:36,176 --> 13:39:37,444
Ange's
term,

833
13:39:37,511 --> 13:39:38,412
big
There were

834
13:39:38,478 --> 13:39:39,546
big feelings
from some

835
13:39:39,613 --> 13:39:41,048
Republicans in
Wisconsin.

836
13:39:41,114 --> 13:39:42,783
Congressman
Derrick Van Orden

837
13:39:42,850 --> 13:39:44,117
basically
said that the

838
13:39:44,184 --> 13:39:45,185
Constitution's
14th

839
13:39:45,252 --> 13:39:46,286
amendment
was aimed

840
13:39:46,353 --> 13:39:47,287
at
guaranteeing

841
13:39:47,354 --> 13:39:47,988
citizenship
to

842
13:39:48,055 --> 13:39:48,655
freed
slaves

843
13:39:48,722 --> 13:39:49,756
and
not

844
13:39:49,823 --> 13:39:50,490
for
children

845
13:39:50,557 --> 13:39:51,258
of
illegal

846
13:39:51,325 --> 13:39:51,892
immigrants.
He

847
13:39:51,959 --> 13:39:52,759
said
the

848
13:39:52,826 --> 13:39:54,661
ruling
undermines the

849
13:39:54,728 --> 13:39:56,597
integrity of
citizenship, and that

850
13:39:56,663 --> 13:39:57,664
Congress has
to do

851
13:39:57,731 --> 13:39:59,366
something about
it,

852
13:39:59,433 --> 13:40:00,934
with it
being declared

853
13:40:01,001 --> 13:40:01,802
unconstitutional, at least
the

854
13:40:01,869 --> 13:40:02,302
executive order.
It's

855
13:40:02,369 --> 13:40:03,537
kind
of

856
13:40:03,604 --> 13:40:04,171
unclear
what that

857
13:40:04,238 --> 13:40:05,072
would
look

858
13:40:05,138 --> 13:40:06,874
like.
Congressman

859
13:40:06,940 --> 13:40:07,875
Toni WHEDA,
another

860
13:40:07,941 --> 13:40:08,442
Republican,
said

861
13:40:08,509 --> 13:40:09,576
that,
you

862
13:40:09,643 --> 13:40:10,377
know,
this

863
13:40:10,444 --> 13:40:11,512
amendment
wasn't

864
13:40:11,578 --> 13:40:12,246
intended
for

865
13:40:12,312 --> 13:40:12,779
what it's
being used

866
13:40:12,846 --> 13:40:13,647
for
today.

867
13:40:13,714 --> 13:40:14,181
There's all
this

868
13:40:14,248 --> 13:40:14,982
talk
of

869
13:40:15,048 --> 13:40:16,850
birth
tourism,

870
13:40:16,917 --> 13:40:17,684
where the
idea

871
13:40:17,751 --> 13:40:18,585
is that
people that

872
13:40:18,652 --> 13:40:19,386
are
pregnant,

873
13:40:19,453 --> 13:40:20,921
you know, women
that

874
13:40:20,988 --> 13:40:22,356
are
countries come here, have

875
13:40:22,422 --> 13:40:23,290
a
strictly so

876
13:40:23,357 --> 13:40:23,957
that they
can

877
13:40:24,024 --> 13:40:24,791
get
that

878
13:40:24,858 --> 13:40:26,793
child
citizenship

879
13:40:26,860 --> 13:40:29,196
automatically.
One of the more,

880
13:40:29,263 --> 13:40:30,564
I guess,
aggressive

881
13:40:30,631 --> 13:40:31,398
comments
frome

882
13:40:31,465 --> 13:40:33,433
seventh
Congressional

883
13:40:33,500 --> 13:40:34,535
District
Republican

884
13:40:34,601 --> 13:40:35,602
candidate
Michael

885
13:40:35,669 --> 13:40:36,103
Alfonso.
He's the

886
13:40:36,170 --> 13:40:36,670
son
in

887
13:40:36,737 --> 13:40:37,871
law of
Shawn

888
13:40:37,938 --> 13:40:39,239
Duffy, the U.S.
transportation

889
13:40:39,306 --> 13:40:40,440
secretary.
He talked

890
13:40:40,507 --> 13:40:41,208
about
how

891
13:40:41,275 --> 13:40:42,009
his
newborn

892
13:40:42,075 --> 13:40:43,210
baby
can

893
13:40:43,277 --> 13:40:44,211
trace her
ancestry,

894
13:40:44,278 --> 13:40:44,845
quote,
back to

895
13:40:44,912 --> 13:40:46,213
before
the

896
13:40:46,280 --> 13:40:48,081
Revolutionary
and

897
13:40:48,348 --> 13:40:49,249
that the
ruling

898
13:40:49,316 --> 13:40:50,317
essentially
is

899
13:40:50,384 --> 13:40:51,084
telling
people

900
13:40:51,151 --> 13:40:52,452
that
children

901
13:40:52,519 --> 13:40:53,120
like
his

902
13:40:53,187 --> 13:40:54,221
are
not

903
13:40:54,288 --> 13:40:55,122
equally
as

904
13:40:55,189 --> 13:40:56,423
American. To
quote

905
13:40:56,490 --> 13:40:57,858
Chinese
spies,

906
13:40:57,925 --> 13:40:58,959
anchor
babies.

907
13:40:59,026 --> 13:40:59,593
So
lot

908
13:40:59,660 --> 13:41:00,360
of
a

909
13:41:00,427 --> 13:41:01,995
lot
of

910
13:41:02,062 --> 13:41:02,696
thoughts
coming

911
13:41:02,763 --> 13:41:03,197
from
some on

912
13:41:03,263 --> 13:41:04,364
the
right.

913
13:41:04,431 --> 13:41:05,365
>> And
Ana there

914
13:41:05,432 --> 13:41:05,832
was this
other

915
13:41:05,899 --> 13:41:06,567
Supreme
Court

916
13:41:06,633 --> 13:41:07,634
decision
involving

917
13:41:07,701 --> 13:41:08,669
national
parties

918
13:41:08,735 --> 13:41:09,303
and
how much

919
13:41:09,369 --> 13:41:10,037
they
can

920
13:41:10,103 --> 13:41:11,271
raise
and

921
13:41:11,338 --> 13:41:12,206
spend.
said it

922
13:41:12,272 --> 13:41:13,473
would
export the

923
13:41:13,540 --> 13:41:14,441
Wisconsin model.
What do

924
13:41:14,508 --> 13:41:16,076
you mean?
so here in

925
13:41:16,143 --> 13:41:17,444
Wisconsin,
since about

926
13:41:17,511 --> 13:41:18,679
2015,
have had

927
13:41:18,745 --> 13:41:20,581
a rule on the
books that says that

928
13:41:20,647 --> 13:41:21,348
our
partieslitical

929
13:41:21,415 --> 13:41:22,115
can
ande

930
13:41:22,182 --> 13:41:22,816
spend
moneyuch

931
13:41:22,883 --> 13:41:24,184
as
they want in

932
13:41:24,251 --> 13:41:24,952
political
races.

933
13:41:25,018 --> 13:41:25,752
You've
actually

934
13:41:25,819 --> 13:41:27,054
reported on the
fact

935
13:41:27,120 --> 13:41:28,222
that this was a
Republican law, that

936
13:41:28,288 --> 13:41:29,356
in
recent years,

937
13:41:29,423 --> 13:41:29,890
Democrats
made

938
13:41:29,957 --> 13:41:30,791
very good
use

939
13:41:30,858 --> 13:41:31,658
of,
particular, in

940
13:41:31,725 --> 13:41:33,393
our
enormous

941
13:41:33,827 --> 13:41:35,362
Supreme Court
races. Right?

942
13:41:35,429 --> 13:41:36,496
Democrats,
for

943
13:41:36,563 --> 13:41:37,231
example, for
the

944
13:41:37,297 --> 13:41:38,232
election
of Janet

945
13:41:38,298 --> 13:41:39,833
Protasiewicz,
spent

946
13:41:39,900 --> 13:41:40,901
$10
and thatnn that

947
13:41:40,968 --> 13:41:42,269
sort of
theseashed

948
13:41:42,336 --> 13:41:42,903
floodgates.
Well,

949
13:41:42,970 --> 13:41:44,037
now,
as of

950
13:41:44,104 --> 13:41:45,539
this
Supreme Court

951
13:41:45,606 --> 13:41:46,473
decision, this
will be

952
13:41:46,540 --> 13:41:47,975
the
the at

953
13:41:48,041 --> 13:41:49,743
national level,
thederal level. So

954
13:41:49,810 --> 13:41:50,744
national political
RNCies

955
13:41:50,811 --> 13:41:52,112
see
these

956
13:41:52,179 --> 13:41:53,013
kinds
organizations.

957
13:41:53,080 --> 13:41:53,747
They can
spend

958
13:41:53,814 --> 13:41:54,481
as
much as they

959
13:41:54,548 --> 13:41:55,349
want
on these

960
13:41:55,415 --> 13:41:57,084
races
in

961
13:41:57,384 --> 13:41:58,352
coordination
with

962
13:41:58,418 --> 13:41:59,286
campaigns.
And

963
13:41:59,353 --> 13:41:59,853
so
essentially,

964
13:41:59,920 --> 13:42:00,420
it's
away

965
13:42:00,487 --> 13:42:01,121
with
a

966
13:42:01,188 --> 13:42:01,889
major
cap

967
13:42:01,955 --> 13:42:03,156
on
campaign

968
13:42:03,223 --> 13:42:05,392
finance
regulations

969
13:42:05,459 --> 13:42:06,560
that, you
people

970
13:42:06,627 --> 13:42:08,195
I've spoken to have
said, as in

971
13:42:08,262 --> 13:42:08,762
Wisconsin.
So

972
13:42:08,829 --> 13:42:09,596
now
we'll

973
13:42:09,663 --> 13:42:10,297
go the
nation.

974
13:42:10,364 --> 13:42:12,199
>>
Yeah. And I know

975
13:42:12,266 --> 13:42:14,101
the
thought for sure thisody

976
13:42:14,168 --> 13:42:15,836
is
It ended ups.

977
13:42:16,236 --> 13:42:17,638
being helpful
see whate'll

978
13:42:17,704 --> 13:42:18,805
happens with
this

979
13:42:18,872 --> 13:42:19,640
change at the national
level.

980
13:42:19,706 --> 13:42:21,074
>> And opened
the

981
13:42:21,141 --> 13:42:22,843
floodgates for us to
record breaking,

982
13:42:22,910 --> 13:42:24,478
expensive
elections. It seems like

983
13:42:24,545 --> 13:42:25,979
every year.
certainly did.

984
13:42:26,046 --> 13:42:26,747
That's
the time we

985
13:42:26,813 --> 13:42:28,482
have
today. Thanks for

986
13:42:28,549 --> 13:42:29,683
joining
colleague

987
13:42:29,750 --> 13:42:30,851
Zac
week. nextll be

988
13:42:30,918 --> 13:42:32,586
This
has been

989
13:42:33,654 --> 13:42:35,122
inside
to follow uslitics. Be

990
13:42:35,189 --> 13:42:36,623
on PBS
wisconsin.org.

991
13:42:36,690 --> 13:42:37,724
WPR.org,
YouTube, or

992
13:42:37,791 --> 13:42:38,358
wherever
getu

993
13:42:38,425 --> 13:42:40,093
your
podcasts.