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So

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that big
budget

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deal that
got

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voted
down in the

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Wisconsin legislature.
Turns

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out
it's

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really
popular.

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What can
we makeof

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that
finding? In the

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latest
poll by

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Marquette
University?

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And
Tom,

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Tiffany has
the

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Republican
field

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largely
to

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himself
ashe

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runs for
governor.

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We
talk about his

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approach.
This

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is
inside Wisconsinpolitics.

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I'm
Shawn

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Johnson
here with

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my
colleagues,

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Zac Schultz
Anya vanWagtendonk and

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Rich
Kremer

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in Eau
Claire. Hey,

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everyone.
>> Hello,

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Shawn.
>> Hey,

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Shawn.
>> So

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we have
used

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the word
rare to

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describe
this

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budget
surplus

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deal
morethan

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once in the
last

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few
weeks. I mean, it's rare tosee

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a Democratic governor
and Republican leaders cometogether

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to negotiate
something like this in anelection

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year. Rare to see
this kind of bipartisan

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opposition
kind of

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backstabbing
after

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the
vote.

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Rich,
I'd say

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it's
rare

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to
see

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this
kind of a

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poll
from

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Marquette
University,where you have

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such
lopsided

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support
in favor

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of
any

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issue.
What did

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Marquette
find?

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>> So they
found

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that
among

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the
454

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Wisconsin residents
that they

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surveyed,
80%

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said that
the

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legislature
should have passed

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the
surplus

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spending
deal.

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And
what's

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really
striking, to

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your
point,

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is
that

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when
you break that

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down by
partisanship, the

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numbers
don't

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vary
that

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much.
Among

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Republicans, it
was

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77% who
said

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that
it should

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have
passed. Independents

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81%.
Democrats

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80%.
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that
is

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a
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that's a
strong

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majority
of

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people
cutting

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across all
partisan

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demographics
who

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wanted to
see

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this
thing

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get
passed.

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And
the

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poll
also

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asked
questions

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about,
you know,

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are you
going to remember

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this
in the

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fall? ET
cetera.ET

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cetera.
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some
people

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said they
will.

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And
it'sjust really

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fascinating. I
talked to

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Charles
Franklin,who's

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Marquette's
pollster,

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and
he said

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he
wanted

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to do
this

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poll,
which is

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different than
others,

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because
it was

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really
interesting

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to
him to

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see
the

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bipartisan
birth

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of
this legislation and the

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bipartisan
death of

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it.
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he wanted to
see

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where the
public stood.

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>> When you
saw

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those
numbers come out,

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Zac
Ana,

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what
stood out

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to
you?

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I
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to
me, I

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think the
obvious top line

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number
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is,
is sort of

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eye
popping. I would

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not
have

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imagined that level
ofsupport for any

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bill that
comes out of

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Wisconsin
legislature.l, I

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would
thinkthere are two

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things that
jumped out at me. The first

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is we talked about
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beginning. This
was the definition of abipartisan

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bill that the
public has repeatedly

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said
they want their

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lawmakers
to do.

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two,

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this is
why

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we
do

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not
legislate by

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referendum.
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public will
always

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support
something

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that
gives

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them money,
no

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matter the
fiscal

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complications down the
road.

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And
they hate

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nuance.
Most

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people in the
state

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just
want things

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done
in a

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sane
fashion. They

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don't like
toget into the

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details of
what will it mean for the

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structural deficit in two
years that they're worried

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about their gas tank
today?So it's not.

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If anything,
it's surprising thereweren't more people

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that
wanted this deal

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done
closer to

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90%
because it

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looked
like

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a win win
for

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everybody.
But it

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is
those

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little
nitty

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details that
the

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Democrats
and some

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Republicans
jumped on to

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say why
this

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didn't get
passed.

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>> Ana
how about

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you? I
mean, to me,

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this
finding

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sort
of

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puts
the way

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that
people

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reacted to
this

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bill
in

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kind of
a new light. You

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know, I remember asking
youlast week,

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why
would

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some
Democrats

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not want
to

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come
out against

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this
when

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other
Democrats

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are.
Well,

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maybe
we have

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a
pretty good

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answer
here.

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>> Well, yeah,
I think, youknow,

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we've talked about it
as a messaging tool

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as well.
And there is to Zach'spoint,

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there's like the
nuanced messaging and theunnuanced

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messaging. And
one of

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those, excuse
me,one

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of those
is

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Moore
is

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easier to
resonate with

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voters. And so you can
kind

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of
say,

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do you want
money

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in your pocket or
not? Doyou want

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money for your
schools or not? And most

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people, I think, are
goingto say, yes,

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I would like
money in my pocket. I

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would
like money in my schoolshaving the

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more complicated
messaging. You know, theopponents of

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the deal are,
are the ones who are

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going
to really have their workcut out

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for them because
they have to kind of

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prove
a negative and say, well,but if

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we had done this,
there would have been

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this
deficit. We would have hadto live

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under, you know,
austerity measures goingforward. That's

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a much more
complicated thing than, doyou

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want 300 bucks in
yourbank account or

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not?
>> Yeah, I will say thatwhen

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I saw this poll,
myimmediate thought was,

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well,
you didn't tell them aboutthe other

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side of this,
that if you do this

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thing,
you're going to blow a $2.9billion

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hole in the budget.
Actually, the Marquette did

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ask about that, rich.
Theythey said in

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so many words,
you

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know, that this could
create budget issues down

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the road. And,
you

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know, do
you really want to do this

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now? And the public
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>> They
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don't
care.I

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mean,
they might care,

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but
they said

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that
we

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still
think

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that it would
bebetter to get

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this
money to

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schools
and

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to
ourselves in

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the
form

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of property
tax

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relief
and

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rebate
checks,

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$300
for

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single
adults

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and
tax

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filers
and

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600 for
married

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couples. So
theysaid

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it'd be better
now

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than
next

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year, even
considering

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the
potential

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for a
nearly

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a
$3 billion

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budget
deficit

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going
into

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the
next

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state
budget.

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And
I also wanted

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to mention
that

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it has
been

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really
interesting seeing

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the
opposition.

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Almost
every

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major
candidate

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in the
racefor

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governor was
against

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it.
Tom Tiffany

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on the
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side
and

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on the
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side, the
only

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Democrat
who

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came out
andsaid

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we should
besupporting

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this
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former
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Corporation

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director,
CEO

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Missy Hughes.
And

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so
after

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the
vote

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failed and
especially

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after
this

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poll
came

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out, she
said,

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see,
you

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know,
thisis

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why,
you

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know, I want
toget things done.

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People
want

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to get
things

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done.
Soit's

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going to be
interesting

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to see
what,

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if
any,

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ads,
campaign

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attack
ads

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come from
this

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because
essentially, you know,

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Tiffany
would have to

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say
they

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didn't pass
the

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thing
that

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I
didn't

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support
or

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vice
versa,

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you know?
So

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it'll be
really

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interesting
to see if it if it

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plays
into

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the
campaigns

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much.
>> I

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also wonder
if thiswas just

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another window
into

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an
issue that we

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already
know is, is

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big
and

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that
is the

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cost
of

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living.
People

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feel
that cost

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of
living. And

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when you
ask

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them,
would

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you like a
little

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help might
sound

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like
a

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little in
terms

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of
the state budget and 300

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bucks, you
know, you cansay

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that's not going to
solve all their problems,

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but
the answer

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is
a

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resounding
yes

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when
you

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ask
that question.

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13:31:16,250 --> 13:31:18,250
>> Well, it's the
numberone issue that

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people have
been talking about for morethan

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a year now.
Affordability

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has been an
issue. It was an issue

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13:31:23,250 --> 13:31:25,291
in
the 24 presidentialcampaign. So in some

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13:31:25,291 --> 13:31:26,375
ways,
it's surprising that

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13:31:26,375 --> 13:31:27,000
all
these

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major
candidates

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dropped the
ball.

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And,
Shawn, I'll turn around

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13:31:29,999 --> 13:31:30,709
the
point that

353
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Rick
brought and

354
13:31:31,375 --> 13:31:32,709
brought
back to you, which

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is it seems like
a lot ofthese

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13:31:34,709 --> 13:31:36,709
major candidates
other than Missy Hugheshave flubbed

357
13:31:36,709 --> 13:31:38,750
their chance
to have themselves a reallynice

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13:31:38,750 --> 13:31:40,375
issue to campaign on
in the fall.

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13:31:40,375 --> 13:31:41,083
If
there'sanyone

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13:31:41,083 --> 13:31:41,917
that would
take

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13:31:41,917 --> 13:31:43,250
back
their

362
13:31:43,250 --> 13:31:44,750
opposition, do you
think there's

363
13:31:44,750 --> 13:31:45,875
1 or 2
candidates that would

364
13:31:45,875 --> 13:31:46,999
be
better off if

365
13:31:46,999 --> 13:31:47,583
they'd
been

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13:31:47,583 --> 13:31:49,792
supportive?
>> Maybe.

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13:31:49,792 --> 13:31:50,875
Maybe. I
thinkfor

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13:31:50,875 --> 13:31:51,500
Democrats, they
have to

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13:31:51,500 --> 13:31:52,999
focus on
winning that

370
13:31:52,999 --> 13:31:53,709
primary.
And

371
13:31:53,709 --> 13:31:54,375
so in
the

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13:31:54,375 --> 13:31:55,000
moments
after

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13:31:55,000 --> 13:31:55,875
this
thing

374
13:31:55,875 --> 13:31:57,750
was made
public,

375
13:31:57,750 --> 13:31:58,792
they had
to

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13:31:58,792 --> 13:31:59,875
decide
what is

377
13:31:59,875 --> 13:32:01,291
the left
position

378
13:32:01,291 --> 13:32:01,999
and how
close

379
13:32:01,999 --> 13:32:02,999
do I
want to

380
13:32:02,999 --> 13:32:03,999
get to that?
And

381
13:32:03,999 --> 13:32:04,999
they
made those

382
13:32:04,999 --> 13:32:05,625
calculations.
You

383
13:32:05,625 --> 13:32:06,250
know, I
think

384
13:32:06,250 --> 13:32:07,375
in
hindsight, seeingan

385
13:32:07,375 --> 13:32:08,542
80%
issue,

386
13:32:08,542 --> 13:32:09,583
maybe
youwould want

387
13:32:09,583 --> 13:32:11,542
to be on the
side of the 80%,

388
13:32:11,542 --> 13:32:12,417
especially
when Democrats

389
13:32:12,417 --> 13:32:13,999
and
independents basically

390
13:32:13,999 --> 13:32:14,667
feel
the same way

391
13:32:14,667 --> 13:32:15,291
about
that

392
13:32:15,291 --> 13:32:16,041
stuff.
I

393
13:32:16,041 --> 13:32:17,291
think it's an open
question, though,

394
13:32:17,291 --> 13:32:17,959
about
whether

395
13:32:17,959 --> 13:32:18,542
or
not

396
13:32:18,542 --> 13:32:20,542
when we've
talked about this before,but whether

397
13:32:20,542 --> 13:32:22,542
or not they'll
pay the price for this

398
13:32:22,542 --> 13:32:23,999
in
November, I

399
13:32:23,999 --> 13:32:24,999
should
say,

400
13:32:24,999 --> 13:32:26,000
you
know, voters were

401
13:32:26,000 --> 13:32:26,834
asked
about

402
13:32:26,834 --> 13:32:27,999
that
Rich

403
13:32:27,999 --> 13:32:28,999
and
whetheror not they'll be

404
13:32:28,999 --> 13:32:29,999
thinking
about

405
13:32:29,999 --> 13:32:30,875
this
as

406
13:32:30,875 --> 13:32:31,875
they vote in
November.

407
13:32:31,875 --> 13:32:32,834
How
important isit

408
13:32:32,834 --> 13:32:33,667
to
them?

409
13:32:33,667 --> 13:32:34,375
Would they
say

410
13:32:34,375 --> 13:32:37,999
they're.
>> So

411
13:32:37,999 --> 13:32:39,458
73% of the
respondents

412
13:32:39,458 --> 13:32:40,917
said
that

413
13:32:40,917 --> 13:32:41,999
this
you know,

414
13:32:41,999 --> 13:32:42,999
where
candidates

415
13:32:42,999 --> 13:32:43,834
stood
on

416
13:32:43,834 --> 13:32:44,875
this
. Them

417
13:32:44,875 --> 13:32:46,166
opposing
this

418
13:32:46,166 --> 13:32:47,291
legislation
will be

419
13:32:47,291 --> 13:32:47,999
either
somewhat or

420
13:32:47,999 --> 13:32:49,083
very
important

421
13:32:49,083 --> 13:32:49,999
to
them

422
13:32:49,999 --> 13:32:50,667
come
November. And

423
13:32:50,667 --> 13:32:51,208
I
asked

424
13:32:51,208 --> 13:32:52,333
Charles
Franklin about

425
13:32:52,333 --> 13:32:52,999
this,
you

426
13:32:52,999 --> 13:32:53,458
know,
because

427
13:32:53,458 --> 13:32:54,125
in in
our

428
13:32:54,125 --> 13:32:55,999
world
in

429
13:32:55,999 --> 13:32:56,750
November,
might as

430
13:32:56,750 --> 13:32:57,375
well
be three

431
13:32:57,375 --> 13:32:57,999
years
away in

432
13:32:57,999 --> 13:32:58,959
terms of
how

433
13:32:58,959 --> 13:32:59,750
fast
thingscan

434
13:32:59,750 --> 13:33:00,250
change on
the

435
13:33:00,250 --> 13:33:01,834
campaign
trail.

436
13:33:01,834 --> 13:33:02,417
And
he

437
13:33:02,417 --> 13:33:03,125
said,
well,

438
13:33:03,125 --> 13:33:04,208
people
might not

439
13:33:04,208 --> 13:33:05,333
remember
individual

440
13:33:05,333 --> 13:33:06,375
votes on
this

441
13:33:06,375 --> 13:33:07,041
specific
bill,

442
13:33:07,041 --> 13:33:07,917
but
to

443
13:33:07,917 --> 13:33:08,999
Zach's
point,

444
13:33:08,999 --> 13:33:09,709
Franklin
said

445
13:33:09,709 --> 13:33:11,000
that
cost of

446
13:33:11,000 --> 13:33:12,999
living
affordability, property

447
13:33:12,999 --> 13:33:13,625
taxes,
school

448
13:33:13,625 --> 13:33:14,291
funding
have

449
13:33:14,291 --> 13:33:14,999
been
and

450
13:33:14,999 --> 13:33:17,208
will
likely

451
13:33:17,208 --> 13:33:19,208
continue to be top
of mindfor them.

452
13:33:19,208 --> 13:33:20,208
>> Yeah, I'm
tempted

453
13:33:20,208 --> 13:33:20,917
to say
I

454
13:33:20,917 --> 13:33:21,583
don't
believe

455
13:33:21,583 --> 13:33:22,291
you
voters.You

456
13:33:22,291 --> 13:33:23,291
know,
something else is

457
13:33:23,291 --> 13:33:24,917
going to come along
betweennow and

458
13:33:24,917 --> 13:33:25,959
November.
But

459
13:33:25,959 --> 13:33:26,625
still,
that is

460
13:33:26,625 --> 13:33:27,792
a
pretty

461
13:33:27,792 --> 13:33:28,333
overwhelming
finding

462
13:33:28,333 --> 13:33:29,083
from
people right

463
13:33:29,083 --> 13:33:30,583
now
saying,

464
13:33:30,583 --> 13:33:31,250
yeah, I'm
going to

465
13:33:31,250 --> 13:33:31,999
remember
this.

466
13:33:31,999 --> 13:33:32,834
How
about the

467
13:33:32,834 --> 13:33:33,917
candidates
for governor

468
13:33:33,917 --> 13:33:34,917
specifically, though?
Because

469
13:33:34,917 --> 13:33:35,750
that was
one where

470
13:33:35,750 --> 13:33:36,333
I thought
the

471
13:33:36,333 --> 13:33:36,999
findings
were

472
13:33:36,999 --> 13:33:37,999
a
little

473
13:33:37,999 --> 13:33:38,875
squishier
more.

474
13:33:38,875 --> 13:33:39,999
This is more
the

475
13:33:39,999 --> 13:33:40,999
Wisconsin
I know

476
13:33:40,999 --> 13:33:41,750
when people
are

477
13:33:41,750 --> 13:33:42,542
presented
with this

478
13:33:42,542 --> 13:33:43,041
idea
of

479
13:33:43,041 --> 13:33:43,917
whether
or

480
13:33:43,917 --> 13:33:44,709
not
they thought

481
13:33:44,709 --> 13:33:45,999
it was
wrong for

482
13:33:45,999 --> 13:33:47,041
Tom
Tiffany to take a

483
13:33:47,041 --> 13:33:47,917
stand
against this,

484
13:33:47,917 --> 13:33:49,166
or for
otherDemocratic

485
13:33:49,166 --> 13:33:49,999
candidates to
take a stand

486
13:33:49,999 --> 13:33:52,000
against
this

487
13:33:52,000 --> 13:33:53,041
as more
as closer

488
13:33:53,041 --> 13:33:53,999
to
50/50.

489
13:33:53,999 --> 13:33:54,667
Right.
You

490
13:33:54,667 --> 13:33:56,542
had
it seems

491
13:33:56,542 --> 13:33:56,999
like
Democrats

492
13:33:56,999 --> 13:33:58,625
and
Republicans may be

493
13:33:58,625 --> 13:33:59,417
willing
to

494
13:33:59,417 --> 13:34:00,583
give their
candidate

495
13:34:00,583 --> 13:34:01,125
the
benefit of

496
13:34:01,125 --> 13:34:01,999
the
doubt.

497
13:34:01,999 --> 13:34:02,667
If
you hear

498
13:34:02,667 --> 13:34:03,834
the right
messaging

499
13:34:03,834 --> 13:34:04,458
between
now

500
13:34:04,458 --> 13:34:06,166
and
November on you.

501
13:34:06,166 --> 13:34:06,999
>> Yeah.
You know,

502
13:34:06,999 --> 13:34:08,750
one of
the sort of

503
13:34:08,750 --> 13:34:09,458
upsetting
truths

504
13:34:09,458 --> 13:34:09,917
for those
of

505
13:34:09,917 --> 13:34:10,750
us who
really

506
13:34:10,750 --> 13:34:11,166
care about
facts

507
13:34:11,166 --> 13:34:11,999
and
details in

508
13:34:11,999 --> 13:34:12,792
the
public,

509
13:34:12,792 --> 13:34:13,375
you
know, media

510
13:34:13,375 --> 13:34:13,917
world
is

511
13:34:13,917 --> 13:34:14,500
that
voters

512
13:34:14,500 --> 13:34:15,166
don't
really care

513
13:34:15,166 --> 13:34:15,917
about
those

514
13:34:15,917 --> 13:34:16,917
things, right?
They care

515
13:34:16,917 --> 13:34:17,875
about sort of
feeling

516
13:34:17,875 --> 13:34:18,458
heard and
feeling

517
13:34:18,458 --> 13:34:19,041
considered.
And

518
13:34:19,041 --> 13:34:19,959
so one
of

519
13:34:19,959 --> 13:34:20,999
the things
that

520
13:34:20,999 --> 13:34:21,750
candidates
need to

521
13:34:21,750 --> 13:34:22,417
do
right

522
13:34:22,417 --> 13:34:23,500
now
is

523
13:34:23,500 --> 13:34:24,125
present, that
they

524
13:34:24,125 --> 13:34:24,999
take
people's

525
13:34:24,999 --> 13:34:25,709
concerns
seriously.

526
13:34:25,709 --> 13:34:26,333
They take
the

527
13:34:26,333 --> 13:34:27,542
affordability
concerns

528
13:34:27,542 --> 13:34:28,875
seriously, they
take the school funding

529
13:34:28,875 --> 13:34:29,999
concerns
seriously.

530
13:34:29,999 --> 13:34:30,999
And the
kind of

531
13:34:30,999 --> 13:34:31,917
details of
it

532
13:34:31,917 --> 13:34:32,041
are
a

533
13:34:32,041 --> 13:34:32,959
lot
less

534
13:34:32,959 --> 13:34:33,583
important
to

535
13:34:33,583 --> 13:34:34,250
your
everyday

536
13:34:34,250 --> 13:34:35,208
voter. And
so how

537
13:34:35,208 --> 13:34:37,250
do you kind of
message thatin a

538
13:34:37,250 --> 13:34:39,208
way that makes people
feel heard and understood

539
13:34:39,208 --> 13:34:41,208
enough to want to
checkthat box at

540
13:34:41,208 --> 13:34:43,208
the ballot box,
rather than kind of getting

541
13:34:43,208 --> 13:34:45,208
into some of this
infighting around the

542
13:34:45,208 --> 13:34:46,208
mechanisms at the
capital

543
13:34:46,208 --> 13:34:46,999
by which
it

544
13:34:46,999 --> 13:34:48,208
could
have or could have

545
13:34:48,208 --> 13:34:48,999
not
occurred.

546
13:34:48,999 --> 13:34:49,875
>> I
think you've

547
13:34:49,875 --> 13:34:50,333
brought
up

548
13:34:50,333 --> 13:34:50,875
a
really

549
13:34:50,875 --> 13:34:51,999
important
element,

550
13:34:51,999 --> 13:34:52,667
and that
is

551
13:34:52,667 --> 13:34:53,750
that
feeds into the

552
13:34:53,750 --> 13:34:54,875
cynicism of
some people out

553
13:34:54,875 --> 13:34:56,166
there. And
the question for every

554
13:34:56,166 --> 13:34:56,999
midterm
is

555
13:34:56,999 --> 13:34:58,834
turnout.
Presidential

556
13:34:58,834 --> 13:34:59,458
elections will
always

557
13:34:59,458 --> 13:35:00,166
have high
turnout

558
13:35:00,166 --> 13:35:01,208
just because
there's so

559
13:35:01,208 --> 13:35:02,291
much
attention.

560
13:35:02,291 --> 13:35:03,458
Midterms,
the candidate

561
13:35:03,458 --> 13:35:04,125
success
risesand

562
13:35:04,125 --> 13:35:04,999
falls
with who

563
13:35:04,999 --> 13:35:05,667
shows
up

564
13:35:05,667 --> 13:35:06,250
and which
party

565
13:35:06,250 --> 13:35:06,999
can
gettheir

566
13:35:06,999 --> 13:35:07,917
people
out.

567
13:35:07,917 --> 13:35:08,625
So if
there

568
13:35:08,625 --> 13:35:09,999
are
voters,

569
13:35:09,999 --> 13:35:10,709
independents,
or

570
13:35:10,709 --> 13:35:11,875
moderates
on either

571
13:35:11,875 --> 13:35:12,500
side
who

572
13:35:12,500 --> 13:35:13,083
feel
like they're

573
13:35:13,083 --> 13:35:13,999
not
beingheard

574
13:35:13,999 --> 13:35:14,999
by their
politicians

575
13:35:14,999 --> 13:35:15,999
because
both

576
13:35:15,999 --> 13:35:17,000
sides,
all the

577
13:35:17,000 --> 13:35:17,959
candidates
in front

578
13:35:17,959 --> 13:35:18,208
of
them,

579
13:35:18,208 --> 13:35:18,959
said,
no,

580
13:35:18,959 --> 13:35:19,750
I'd
rather do it

581
13:35:19,750 --> 13:35:20,834
my
way later

582
13:35:20,834 --> 13:35:22,250
on. You
don'tneed anything right

583
13:35:22,250 --> 13:35:23,709
now.
You can just wait.

584
13:35:23,709 --> 13:35:24,250
That
mayfeed

585
13:35:24,250 --> 13:35:25,000
into
them saying,

586
13:35:25,000 --> 13:35:25,917
well,
forget it, I'm

587
13:35:25,917 --> 13:35:27,375
just
goingto tune out.

588
13:35:27,375 --> 13:35:29,375
None of you
deserve my vote. And that

589
13:35:29,375 --> 13:35:30,875
could impact turnout.
Whowere

590
13:35:30,875 --> 13:35:31,375
those
voters

591
13:35:31,375 --> 13:35:32,709
more
likely to be

592
13:35:32,709 --> 13:35:33,375
persuadable?
By which

593
13:35:33,375 --> 13:35:33,999
side
could they

594
13:35:33,999 --> 13:35:35,125
have gone
to if they

595
13:35:35,125 --> 13:35:35,959
vote
at

596
13:35:35,959 --> 13:35:37,750
all? That is
a bigfactor. When

597
13:35:37,750 --> 13:35:39,000
you see the
potential of this

598
13:35:39,000 --> 13:35:40,125
midterm
with wave

599
13:35:40,125 --> 13:35:40,999
elections
and

600
13:35:40,999 --> 13:35:41,667
people
feeling

601
13:35:41,667 --> 13:35:42,792
upset and
angry, some

602
13:35:42,792 --> 13:35:44,333
of them
justtune out and

603
13:35:44,333 --> 13:35:46,291
they are votes
that are not even counted

604
13:35:46,291 --> 13:35:48,333
at all because they
nevershow up.

605
13:35:48,333 --> 13:35:50,291
So let's talk about
oneof the candidates

606
13:35:50,291 --> 13:35:52,333
for
governor in a little moredetail here.

607
13:35:52,333 --> 13:35:53,000
Tom Tiffany
had

608
13:35:53,000 --> 13:35:53,999
a
forum

609
13:35:53,999 --> 13:35:54,999
in
Madison

610
13:35:54,999 --> 13:35:55,667
on
the day

611
13:35:55,667 --> 13:35:56,709
that this poll
came

612
13:35:56,709 --> 13:35:57,667
out. So it
was

613
13:35:57,667 --> 13:35:58,999
a few hours
after the the poll

614
13:35:58,999 --> 13:36:00,750
had
beenout there. Essentially,

615
13:36:00,750 --> 13:36:01,750
he'd seen the
answers

616
13:36:01,750 --> 13:36:02,750
to
the test by

617
13:36:02,750 --> 13:36:03,750
then, and he
knew

618
13:36:03,750 --> 13:36:04,333
where the
public

619
13:36:04,333 --> 13:36:04,999
stood
on this

620
13:36:04,999 --> 13:36:06,083
issue.
Tom

621
13:36:06,083 --> 13:36:06,917
Tiffany
was

622
13:36:06,917 --> 13:36:07,583
asked
Ana at

623
13:36:07,583 --> 13:36:08,999
this
forum,

624
13:36:08,999 --> 13:36:09,750
you know,
do you

625
13:36:09,750 --> 13:36:10,875
stand
by

626
13:36:10,875 --> 13:36:12,625
your
comments

627
13:36:12,625 --> 13:36:13,333
earlier that
you

628
13:36:13,333 --> 13:36:13,999
oppose
this

629
13:36:13,999 --> 13:36:15,041
deal? What
did he have to

630
13:36:15,041 --> 13:36:15,999
say?
>> He

631
13:36:15,999 --> 13:36:16,750
stands
by

632
13:36:16,750 --> 13:36:17,750
those.
But

633
13:36:17,750 --> 13:36:18,333
again,
you know,

634
13:36:18,333 --> 13:36:19,083
like
needing to

635
13:36:19,083 --> 13:36:19,917
thread
that

636
13:36:19,917 --> 13:36:20,583
needle
of.

637
13:36:20,583 --> 13:36:21,250
But
yes, I

638
13:36:21,250 --> 13:36:21,999
want
to fund

639
13:36:21,999 --> 13:36:22,917
schools.
Yes, I

640
13:36:22,917 --> 13:36:24,000
think that
people need

641
13:36:24,000 --> 13:36:25,166
more
money in their

642
13:36:25,166 --> 13:36:26,166
pockets. I
just don't

643
13:36:26,166 --> 13:36:27,166
think that this
was

644
13:36:27,166 --> 13:36:28,166
the right
deal for

645
13:36:28,166 --> 13:36:28,917
that.
And so

646
13:36:28,917 --> 13:36:30,166
again,
he got kindof

647
13:36:30,166 --> 13:36:31,208
squishy on
details. So

648
13:36:31,208 --> 13:36:32,333
he talked
about he

649
13:36:32,333 --> 13:36:33,458
believes
basically

650
13:36:33,458 --> 13:36:34,542
every
penny ofthe

651
13:36:34,542 --> 13:36:35,542
surplus needs to
go

652
13:36:35,542 --> 13:36:36,792
back into
people's

653
13:36:36,792 --> 13:36:37,375
pockets.
This would

654
13:36:37,375 --> 13:36:38,583
have
obviously

655
13:36:38,583 --> 13:36:39,125
split
the

656
13:36:39,125 --> 13:36:40,250
the
surplus

657
13:36:40,250 --> 13:36:40,999
between
school

658
13:36:40,999 --> 13:36:41,875
funding
andsome of

659
13:36:41,875 --> 13:36:42,875
those
rebates. Andthen

660
13:36:42,875 --> 13:36:43,667
things
like no tax

661
13:36:43,667 --> 13:36:44,792
on
tips. He

662
13:36:44,792 --> 13:36:45,333
then
didn't

663
13:36:45,333 --> 13:36:46,000
really
have a

664
13:36:46,000 --> 13:36:46,875
proposal
for

665
13:36:46,875 --> 13:36:47,500
how he
would

666
13:36:47,500 --> 13:36:48,542
return that
money to

667
13:36:48,542 --> 13:36:49,500
the
taxpayers, and he

668
13:36:49,500 --> 13:36:50,417
didn't really
have

669
13:36:50,417 --> 13:36:50,999
details
on

670
13:36:50,999 --> 13:36:51,917
how
he

671
13:36:51,917 --> 13:36:52,625
would
then

672
13:36:52,625 --> 13:36:53,750
boost
school funding, because, of

673
13:36:53,750 --> 13:36:55,999
course, that is the other
kind of half of

674
13:36:55,999 --> 13:36:56,959
the deal.
But he

675
13:36:56,959 --> 13:36:58,208
said he really cares
about that.

676
13:36:58,208 --> 13:36:58,959
And,
you

677
13:36:58,959 --> 13:36:59,375
know,
stay tuned

678
13:36:59,375 --> 13:36:59,999
for
his first

679
13:36:59,999 --> 13:37:00,999
budget
as

680
13:37:00,999 --> 13:37:01,999
governor. So it
was

681
13:37:01,999 --> 13:37:03,999
a way of, I
think,trying to thread

682
13:37:03,999 --> 13:37:05,999
that
needle of I didn't supportit because

683
13:37:05,999 --> 13:37:07,333
it didn't do
enough for you, the

684
13:37:07,333 --> 13:37:08,417
voter
vote for me

685
13:37:08,417 --> 13:37:09,083
and
I'll

686
13:37:09,083 --> 13:37:09,999
make
it happen.

687
13:37:09,999 --> 13:37:11,999
I will find a
way to balance the

688
13:37:11,999 --> 13:37:13,999
budget
and find a way to put money

689
13:37:13,999 --> 13:37:15,999
in your pockets.
What did he describe

690
13:37:15,999 --> 13:37:17,999
the
projected surplus as atthis forum?

691
13:37:17,999 --> 13:37:19,999
I believe he said
it wasMadison math

692
13:37:19,999 --> 13:37:21,999
to try to to
if there was going

693
13:37:21,999 --> 13:37:23,999
to be a
deficit because of how you

694
13:37:23,999 --> 13:37:25,999
spend money, that that
isMadison math. And

695
13:37:25,999 --> 13:37:27,999
he's
going to do sort of familycheckbook

696
13:37:27,999 --> 13:37:29,999
math, which is
how you balance a budget.

697
13:37:29,999 --> 13:37:31,999
So again, a lot
of sort oftalking

698
13:37:31,999 --> 13:37:33,999
points, not a lot
of specifics.

699
13:37:33,999 --> 13:37:35,999
I would say in
terms of the Madison

700
13:37:35,999 --> 13:37:37,999
math
versus the family math, itis, it

701
13:37:37,999 --> 13:37:39,999
is basically like
assuming your family is not

702
13:37:39,999 --> 13:37:41,999
going to get a
raise in thenext

703
13:37:41,999 --> 13:37:43,999
couple of years. And
this is what would

704
13:37:43,999 --> 13:37:45,999
happen
if you didn't, you wouldrun out

705
13:37:45,999 --> 13:37:47,959
of money at this
forum hosted by WisPolitics

706
13:37:47,959 --> 13:37:48,999
in Madison, Tom
Tiffany

707
13:37:48,999 --> 13:37:49,834
was
also

708
13:37:49,834 --> 13:37:51,166
given an
open

709
13:37:51,166 --> 13:37:51,999
invitation
to show

710
13:37:51,999 --> 13:37:52,709
where
he

711
13:37:52,709 --> 13:37:53,417
disagrees
with

712
13:37:53,417 --> 13:37:54,458
President
Donald

713
13:37:54,458 --> 13:37:55,083
Trump.
One of

714
13:37:55,083 --> 13:37:55,959
those
questions

715
13:37:55,959 --> 13:37:56,667
was
about

716
13:37:56,667 --> 13:37:57,250
whether
he'd

717
13:37:57,250 --> 13:37:59,041
support
this

718
13:37:59,041 --> 13:37:59,875
$1.8
billion pot

719
13:37:59,875 --> 13:38:00,667
of
money that

720
13:38:00,667 --> 13:38:02,000
Trump's
administration hasdubbed

721
13:38:02,000 --> 13:38:03,500
the
Anti

722
13:38:03,500 --> 13:38:04,166
Weaponization
Fund.

723
13:38:04,166 --> 13:38:04,999
That's
the one the

724
13:38:04,999 --> 13:38:05,667
Democrats
worry

725
13:38:05,667 --> 13:38:06,750
could be
used to

726
13:38:06,750 --> 13:38:07,417
compensate
people like

727
13:38:07,417 --> 13:38:08,999
the
January 6th

728
13:38:08,999 --> 13:38:09,999
defendants.
Here's

729
13:38:09,999 --> 13:38:11,333
what Tom
Tiffany had to

730
13:38:11,333 --> 13:38:12,458
say.
>> So

731
13:38:12,458 --> 13:38:13,999
I'm still
studyingthe

732
13:38:13,999 --> 13:38:14,667
details
in regards

733
13:38:14,667 --> 13:38:15,834
to
that. I haven't

734
13:38:15,834 --> 13:38:16,208
I'm
asking

735
13:38:16,208 --> 13:38:17,542
the
administration to

736
13:38:17,542 --> 13:38:18,166
give
us more

737
13:38:18,166 --> 13:38:19,250
as
far as

738
13:38:19,250 --> 13:38:19,999
how
exactly

739
13:38:19,999 --> 13:38:21,041
they
expect

740
13:38:21,041 --> 13:38:22,999
to
implement

741
13:38:22,999 --> 13:38:24,333
this.
I'd say

742
13:38:24,333 --> 13:38:25,917
one
of the

743
13:38:25,917 --> 13:38:26,542
just
one thought

744
13:38:26,542 --> 13:38:27,625
that I
have in

745
13:38:27,625 --> 13:38:28,709
regards to
it is

746
13:38:28,709 --> 13:38:30,458
that,
you

747
13:38:30,458 --> 13:38:31,208
know, maybe
some

748
13:38:31,208 --> 13:38:32,375
people are
due

749
13:38:32,375 --> 13:38:33,999
compensation.
>> So,

750
13:38:33,999 --> 13:38:34,875
Zac, this
is

751
13:38:34,875 --> 13:38:35,999
a
5050

752
13:38:35,999 --> 13:38:36,625
state.
And Tom

753
13:38:36,625 --> 13:38:37,709
Tiffany
hasthe

754
13:38:37,709 --> 13:38:38,375
luxury of
not

755
13:38:38,375 --> 13:38:39,000
running
in

756
13:38:39,000 --> 13:38:40,125
a
big

757
13:38:40,125 --> 13:38:41,166
competitive
Republican

758
13:38:41,166 --> 13:38:42,834
primary right
now.

759
13:38:42,834 --> 13:38:43,458
One
could

760
13:38:43,458 --> 13:38:44,041
argue
thatthis

761
13:38:44,041 --> 13:38:45,917
would be
a chance forhim

762
13:38:45,917 --> 13:38:47,917
to say, this is
where Idiffer from

763
13:38:47,917 --> 13:38:48,917
the president.
Why didn't

764
13:38:48,917 --> 13:38:49,917
we hear that
from

765
13:38:49,917 --> 13:38:50,917
him?
>> Because he

766
13:38:50,917 --> 13:38:51,375
really
hasn'tdiffered

767
13:38:51,375 --> 13:38:52,000
from
the president

768
13:38:52,000 --> 13:38:52,917
on
most

769
13:38:52,917 --> 13:38:53,500
issues
since the

770
13:38:53,500 --> 13:38:54,166
president
has

771
13:38:54,166 --> 13:38:54,999
come into
power.

772
13:38:54,999 --> 13:38:55,667
And since
Tom

773
13:38:55,667 --> 13:38:55,999
Tiffany's
been

774
13:38:55,999 --> 13:38:56,792
in
Congress,

775
13:38:56,792 --> 13:38:57,917
they've
been

776
13:38:57,917 --> 13:38:58,999
very
closely

777
13:38:58,999 --> 13:38:59,999
associated.
And that's

778
13:38:59,999 --> 13:39:00,834
not
just Tom

779
13:39:00,834 --> 13:39:01,542
Tiffany's
personal

780
13:39:01,542 --> 13:39:02,125
belief.
That's him

781
13:39:02,125 --> 13:39:03,208
representing
his

782
13:39:03,208 --> 13:39:04,375
congressional
district. The

783
13:39:04,375 --> 13:39:05,000
seventh
is the

784
13:39:05,000 --> 13:39:06,458
most
Maga

785
13:39:06,458 --> 13:39:07,208
red
of all

786
13:39:07,208 --> 13:39:07,999
the
Republican

787
13:39:07,999 --> 13:39:08,999
districts
throughout the

788
13:39:08,999 --> 13:39:09,875
state.
So,

789
13:39:09,875 --> 13:39:10,999
yes,
there's a

790
13:39:10,999 --> 13:39:11,667
political
logic that

791
13:39:11,667 --> 13:39:13,166
comes
with, well, he doesn't have

792
13:39:13,166 --> 13:39:15,166
a Republican primary to
worry about. So he

793
13:39:15,166 --> 13:39:16,999
already
has Trump's endorsement,the party's

794
13:39:16,999 --> 13:39:17,750
endorsement, so
he can

795
13:39:17,750 --> 13:39:18,750
afford to
split from

796
13:39:18,750 --> 13:39:20,291
Trump. It's
not the same as

797
13:39:20,291 --> 13:39:22,291
some of these primaries
we've seen around the

798
13:39:22,291 --> 13:39:23,417
country, where
everyone's

799
13:39:23,417 --> 13:39:24,417
desperately clinging to
try

800
13:39:24,417 --> 13:39:25,375
and get Trump
to

801
13:39:25,375 --> 13:39:25,999
give
him

802
13:39:25,999 --> 13:39:27,417
their
blessing so they canwin

803
13:39:27,417 --> 13:39:28,041
a primary.
He's

804
13:39:28,041 --> 13:39:28,999
already
got

805
13:39:28,999 --> 13:39:29,625
that. So I
think

806
13:39:29,625 --> 13:39:30,166
this
clearly

807
13:39:30,166 --> 13:39:30,667
shows
and

808
13:39:30,667 --> 13:39:31,291
his
prior

809
13:39:31,291 --> 13:39:32,458
statements in a
lot of

810
13:39:32,458 --> 13:39:33,458
these similar issues
about

811
13:39:33,458 --> 13:39:35,291
the
2020 election and

812
13:39:35,291 --> 13:39:37,000
election
fraud and

813
13:39:37,000 --> 13:39:37,917
conspiracies
clearly

814
13:39:37,917 --> 13:39:38,625
shows
this is who

815
13:39:38,625 --> 13:39:39,667
he
is, and

816
13:39:39,667 --> 13:39:40,333
this
has

817
13:39:40,333 --> 13:39:40,999
been
who he

818
13:39:40,999 --> 13:39:41,834
is
allalong

819
13:39:41,834 --> 13:39:42,917
in
Congress. This

820
13:39:42,917 --> 13:39:43,542
really
isn't

821
13:39:43,542 --> 13:39:44,500
any different
from the

822
13:39:44,500 --> 13:39:44,999
Tom
Tiffany we've

823
13:39:44,999 --> 13:39:46,542
been
covering for all these

824
13:39:46,542 --> 13:39:47,542
years. I
think there

825
13:39:47,542 --> 13:39:48,500
may be
some Republicans

826
13:39:48,500 --> 13:39:50,417
who wish
it was different, becausenow

827
13:39:50,417 --> 13:39:51,917
he's in a
more

828
13:39:51,917 --> 13:39:52,500
widespread
political

829
13:39:52,500 --> 13:39:53,166
spotlight
and the

830
13:39:53,166 --> 13:39:53,999
little
higher

831
13:39:53,999 --> 13:39:55,375
stakes with the
gubernatorial

832
13:39:55,375 --> 13:39:56,083
election.
Butit's

833
13:39:56,083 --> 13:39:56,875
not
really a

834
13:39:56,875 --> 13:39:57,999
change
from who he's

835
13:39:57,999 --> 13:39:59,333
always
been

836
13:39:59,333 --> 13:40:00,834
rich.
>> We've

837
13:40:00,834 --> 13:40:01,667
had
the

838
13:40:01,667 --> 13:40:02,250
benefit
ofa few

839
13:40:02,250 --> 13:40:03,250
days
since that

840
13:40:03,250 --> 13:40:04,000
forum,
but

841
13:40:04,000 --> 13:40:04,792
he was
he

842
13:40:04,792 --> 13:40:05,041
covered
a

843
13:40:05,041 --> 13:40:05,999
lot
there in

844
13:40:05,999 --> 13:40:07,417
this
forum by

845
13:40:07,417 --> 13:40:08,750
WisPolitics.
What

846
13:40:08,750 --> 13:40:09,417
were
some

847
13:40:09,417 --> 13:40:10,125
people in his
own

848
13:40:10,125 --> 13:40:10,999
party
saying about

849
13:40:10,999 --> 13:40:11,750
how that
went

850
13:40:11,750 --> 13:40:12,999
for him, and kind
of how he

851
13:40:12,999 --> 13:40:14,083
maneuvered
around these

852
13:40:14,083 --> 13:40:16,999
questions.
>> So

853
13:40:16,999 --> 13:40:17,999
through
my

854
13:40:17,999 --> 13:40:18,999
trolling
of

855
13:40:18,999 --> 13:40:20,625
social
media

856
13:40:20,625 --> 13:40:21,208
trolling.
Its

857
13:40:21,208 --> 13:40:21,999
research,
trolling

858
13:40:21,999 --> 13:40:22,834
is
something

859
13:40:22,834 --> 13:40:23,959
else.
That'sright.

860
13:40:23,959 --> 13:40:25,667
Research.
I,

861
13:40:25,667 --> 13:40:26,792
I
saw

862
13:40:26,792 --> 13:40:28,542
a
few

863
13:40:28,542 --> 13:40:30,291
conservatives,
Republicans,

864
13:40:30,291 --> 13:40:31,375
and
even one

865
13:40:31,375 --> 13:40:33,999
conservative
website

866
13:40:33,999 --> 13:40:34,667
say
this

867
13:40:34,667 --> 13:40:35,333
was an
unforced

868
13:40:35,333 --> 13:40:36,041
error.
He doesn't

869
13:40:36,041 --> 13:40:36,917
he shouldn't
be

870
13:40:36,917 --> 13:40:37,959
talking
about

871
13:40:37,959 --> 13:40:38,667
2020.
He

872
13:40:38,667 --> 13:40:40,250
needs to talk
about thefuture and

873
13:40:40,250 --> 13:40:41,500
what he's going
to do,

874
13:40:41,500 --> 13:40:42,083
and
also

875
13:40:42,083 --> 13:40:43,667
to
the

876
13:40:43,667 --> 13:40:44,333
surplus
bill

877
13:40:44,333 --> 13:40:45,500
and his
opposition to

878
13:40:45,500 --> 13:40:45,999
that,
they

879
13:40:45,999 --> 13:40:47,999
said. A lot of
people saidthat was

880
13:40:47,999 --> 13:40:49,834
another
unforced

881
13:40:49,834 --> 13:40:50,875
error.
And,

882
13:40:50,875 --> 13:40:51,500
you
know,

883
13:40:51,500 --> 13:40:52,166
there's
this

884
13:40:52,166 --> 13:40:53,709
race on
to

885
13:40:53,709 --> 13:40:54,375
for
every candidate

886
13:40:54,375 --> 13:40:55,709
to
definethemselves before they're

887
13:40:55,709 --> 13:40:56,709
defined by the
other

888
13:40:56,709 --> 13:40:57,041
party.
So

889
13:40:57,041 --> 13:40:58,709
some
Republicans

890
13:40:58,709 --> 13:40:59,166
think
that

891
13:40:59,166 --> 13:41:00,250
Tiffany
needs to do

892
13:41:00,250 --> 13:41:02,083
a
better job of that.

893
13:41:02,083 --> 13:41:02,999
>> Ana
one

894
13:41:02,999 --> 13:41:03,667
thing that
stood

895
13:41:03,667 --> 13:41:04,667
out to you,
I

896
13:41:04,667 --> 13:41:06,667
remember when
we were talking about whatwent

897
13:41:06,667 --> 13:41:08,667
on at this forum
isyou said

898
13:41:08,667 --> 13:41:10,041
he
basically

899
13:41:10,041 --> 13:41:10,875
covered a
lot

900
13:41:10,875 --> 13:41:12,667
of ground and
said

901
13:41:12,667 --> 13:41:13,333
very
little about

902
13:41:13,333 --> 13:41:14,417
the
details.

903
13:41:14,417 --> 13:41:15,041
Would that be
an

904
13:41:15,041 --> 13:41:15,959
accurate
summation of

905
13:41:15,959 --> 13:41:16,959
what
you saw?>>

906
13:41:16,959 --> 13:41:18,959
I think that's right.
And, you know, to

907
13:41:18,959 --> 13:41:20,583
be clear,
it's not unusual for a

908
13:41:20,583 --> 13:41:20,999
politician
in

909
13:41:20,999 --> 13:41:21,959
an
electionyear

910
13:41:21,959 --> 13:41:22,959
to kind of
go

911
13:41:22,959 --> 13:41:23,417
broad
strokes, big

912
13:41:23,417 --> 13:41:24,542
picture
andnot

913
13:41:24,542 --> 13:41:25,125
necessarily
settle on

914
13:41:25,125 --> 13:41:26,333
the
details. But

915
13:41:26,333 --> 13:41:27,500
I think,
again, it speaks

916
13:41:27,500 --> 13:41:28,999
to
thisthing that we've

917
13:41:28,999 --> 13:41:30,999
been
talking about, this wholeshow about how

918
13:41:30,999 --> 13:41:32,999
do you kind
of land a message without

919
13:41:32,999 --> 13:41:34,999
getting caught up in
thesedetails? And I

920
13:41:34,999 --> 13:41:36,999
wonder to
what extent, because hedoesn't have

921
13:41:36,999 --> 13:41:37,999
to distinguish
himself in

922
13:41:37,999 --> 13:41:38,999
a
primary theway

923
13:41:38,999 --> 13:41:39,667
that the
Democratic

924
13:41:39,667 --> 13:41:40,375
candidates
do,

925
13:41:40,375 --> 13:41:40,999
whether
he

926
13:41:40,999 --> 13:41:42,458
just
kind of

927
13:41:42,458 --> 13:41:43,208
wants
to

928
13:41:43,208 --> 13:41:43,999
appeal
to

929
13:41:43,999 --> 13:41:44,750
people who
just

930
13:41:44,750 --> 13:41:45,417
want a
more

931
13:41:45,417 --> 13:41:46,417
conservative
person in

932
13:41:46,417 --> 13:41:47,458
office,
people

933
13:41:47,458 --> 13:41:48,166
who, you
know,

934
13:41:48,166 --> 13:41:48,709
for
whom

935
13:41:48,709 --> 13:41:49,999
his
sort of Northwoods

936
13:41:49,999 --> 13:41:51,041
background
is more

937
13:41:51,041 --> 13:41:52,166
appealing
and,

938
13:41:52,166 --> 13:41:52,999
and is
maybe

939
13:41:52,999 --> 13:41:53,709
relying
on

940
13:41:53,709 --> 13:41:54,792
some
level of

941
13:41:54,792 --> 13:41:56,083
infighting from the
Democrats.

942
13:41:56,083 --> 13:41:56,999
And therefore,
he

943
13:41:56,999 --> 13:41:57,999
doesn't really
need to

944
13:41:57,999 --> 13:41:58,999
make a case
in

945
13:41:58,999 --> 13:42:00,583
that
traditional sense. Hedoesn't need to

946
13:42:00,583 --> 13:42:01,709
explain
ingreat

947
13:42:01,709 --> 13:42:02,333
detail how
he would

948
13:42:02,333 --> 13:42:03,000
balance
that

949
13:42:03,000 --> 13:42:04,125
budget.
He can

950
13:42:04,125 --> 13:42:04,959
kind
of

951
13:42:04,959 --> 13:42:05,625
go a
little bit

952
13:42:05,625 --> 13:42:06,709
on
on vibes and

953
13:42:06,709 --> 13:42:07,875
hope that
that'll carry him

954
13:42:07,875 --> 13:42:09,291
through
November.

955
13:42:09,291 --> 13:42:10,291
a forum in
Madison,

956
13:42:10,291 --> 13:42:12,291
he has that luxury.
I did check before

957
13:42:12,291 --> 13:42:13,291
we
recorded today, and

958
13:42:13,291 --> 13:42:14,999
he has
a couple campaign ads on

959
13:42:14,999 --> 13:42:16,875
YouTube.
Zac,

960
13:42:16,875 --> 13:42:17,500
7 million
views

961
13:42:17,500 --> 13:42:18,083
and
4 million

962
13:42:18,083 --> 13:42:18,959
views
where

963
13:42:18,959 --> 13:42:19,667
he
talks about

964
13:42:19,667 --> 13:42:20,999
basically
being a

965
13:42:20,999 --> 13:42:22,999
Wisconsin
guy and a damn tender. Itseems

966
13:42:22,999 --> 13:42:24,291
like that may reach
more

967
13:42:24,291 --> 13:42:24,999
people.
>> And

968
13:42:24,999 --> 13:42:25,999
that is his
background.

969
13:42:25,999 --> 13:42:26,999
He started out
running

970
13:42:26,999 --> 13:42:27,999
a small business.
He's

971
13:42:27,999 --> 13:42:28,583
tended
the

972
13:42:28,583 --> 13:42:29,291
dam
andthat's

973
13:42:29,291 --> 13:42:30,999
what he's going
torun on. Is

974
13:42:30,999 --> 13:42:33,999
that folksy,
Northwoods attitudewidespread the

975
13:42:33,999 --> 13:42:34,999
inside
Wisconsin politics? That's

976
13:42:34,999 --> 13:42:36,999
the Madison math he's
notworried about.

977
13:42:36,999 --> 13:42:37,999
>> Well,
that's all the

978
13:42:37,999 --> 13:42:39,999
time we have for
today.Thanks for joining

979
13:42:39,999 --> 13:42:40,500
us.
Thishas

980
13:42:40,500 --> 13:42:43,291
been
inside Wisconsinpolitics. Be

981
13:42:43,291 --> 13:42:44,917
sure to follow
us on PBS

982
13:42:44,917 --> 13:42:46,542
wisconsin.org.
WPR.org,

983
13:42:46,542 --> 13:42:47,208
YouTube,
or

984
13:42:47,208 --> 13:42:47,959
wherever you
get

985
13:42:47,959 --> 13:42:52,417
your
podcasts.