1 13:31:57,317 --> 13:31:58,352 been a week since the 2 13:31:58,418 --> 13:31:59,353 budget surplus deal fell 3 13:31:59,419 --> 13:32:01,421 apart at the Capitol, and 4 13:32:01,488 --> 13:32:02,022 we're still making 5 13:32:02,089 --> 13:32:02,823 sense of the 6 13:32:02,890 --> 13:32:03,824 fallout. Today, 7 13:32:03,891 --> 13:32:04,758 we talk about 8 13:32:04,825 --> 13:32:06,026 how int's playing out 9 13:32:06,093 --> 13:32:06,927 the governor's race. More 10 13:32:06,994 --> 13:32:07,761 insight on the talks 11 13:32:07,828 --> 13:32:08,729 that failed 12 13:32:08,795 --> 13:32:09,796 and more information about 13 13:32:09,863 --> 13:32:11,365 what it would mean for the 14 13:32:11,431 --> 13:32:12,733 state's Thism line. 15 13:32:12,799 --> 13:32:15,035 is Wisconsin politics. 16 13:32:18,205 --> 13:32:19,339 I'm Shawn 17 13:32:19,406 --> 13:32:20,274 Johnson here with my 18 13:32:20,340 --> 13:32:22,376 colleagues Wagtendonk and 19 13:32:22,442 --> 13:32:23,410 Zac Schultz. Hey, you 20 13:32:23,477 --> 13:32:24,611 two. >> So,lo. 21 13:32:24,678 --> 13:32:25,746 Zac, we pretty 22 13:32:25,812 --> 13:32:26,480 much ran 23 13:32:26,547 --> 13:32:28,015 out of time last 24 13:32:28,081 --> 13:32:29,716 week because there ares 25 13:32:29,783 --> 13:32:31,718 so many it and so many 26 13:32:31,785 --> 13:32:32,920 players, so many motivations to 27 13:32:32,986 --> 13:32:34,321 discuss. We 28 13:32:34,388 --> 13:32:35,422 barely touched 29 13:32:35,489 --> 13:32:36,123 on part of 30 13:32:36,190 --> 13:32:37,257 it, which is how 31 13:32:37,324 --> 13:32:38,258 it's being ineived 32 13:32:38,325 --> 13:32:38,692 the Democratic primary 33 13:32:38,759 --> 13:32:39,526 for governor, 34 13:32:39,593 --> 13:32:40,227 which just 35 13:32:40,294 --> 13:32:41,161 as well, because we 36 13:32:41,228 --> 13:32:41,862 had more reactions 37 13:32:41,929 --> 13:32:42,596 since that 38 13:32:42,663 --> 13:32:43,497 show and 39 13:32:43,564 --> 13:32:44,431 since the fell 40 13:32:44,498 --> 13:32:45,299 apart. I 41 13:32:45,365 --> 13:32:45,799 guess if you had to 42 13:32:45,866 --> 13:32:46,967 sum it up, 43 13:32:47,034 --> 13:32:47,801 this big 44 13:32:47,868 --> 13:32:48,702 Democratic primary, 45 13:32:48,769 --> 13:32:49,903 how are the 46 13:32:49,970 --> 13:32:50,470 candidates dealing 47 13:32:50,537 --> 13:32:51,171 with this 48 13:32:51,238 --> 13:32:52,072 big deal 49 13:32:52,139 --> 13:32:52,906 that weren't 50 13:32:52,973 --> 13:32:53,407 really expecting to 51 13:32:53,473 --> 13:32:54,608 come along? 52 13:32:54,675 --> 13:32:56,176 >> Well, it was to watch the 53 13:32:56,243 --> 13:32:56,677 reactions its 54 13:32:56,743 --> 13:32:57,377 was unfolding 55 13:32:57,444 --> 13:32:58,612 when I think 56 13:32:58,679 --> 13:32:59,580 most people thought this was 57 13:32:59,646 --> 13:33:00,614 going to pass 58 13:33:00,681 --> 13:33:01,315 in the days 59 13:33:01,381 --> 13:33:01,715 leading u 60 13:33:01,782 --> 13:33:02,883 p it. 61 13:33:02,950 --> 13:33:03,851 We saw kind of 62 13:33:03,917 --> 13:33:04,651 I three 63 13:33:04,718 --> 13:33:05,686 different responses. 64 13:33:05,752 --> 13:33:06,320 There were two 65 13:33:06,386 --> 13:33:07,387 very clear 66 13:33:07,454 --> 13:33:08,889 no's from 67 13:33:08,956 --> 13:33:09,990 Francesca and 68 13:33:10,057 --> 13:33:10,858 Hong and from 69 13:33:10,924 --> 13:33:11,491 Kelda Roys, 70 13:33:11,558 --> 13:33:12,259 both running in 71 13:33:12,326 --> 13:33:12,926 a more progressive 72 13:33:12,993 --> 13:33:13,760 stance. The two 73 13:33:13,827 --> 13:33:15,562 only that voteually got to 74 13:33:15,629 --> 13:33:17,164 on this because still in the 75 13:33:17,231 --> 13:33:18,232 legislature. Then we saw Missy 76 13:33:18,298 --> 13:33:19,399 Hughes come out. 77 13:33:19,466 --> 13:33:20,000 Absolutely all for 78 13:33:20,067 --> 13:33:20,767 it. ofne 79 13:33:20,834 --> 13:33:21,468 the only 80 13:33:21,535 --> 13:33:22,336 ones to to 81 13:33:22,402 --> 13:33:23,904 say this is a good 82 13:33:23,971 --> 13:33:25,939 deal and it sense to try and 83 13:33:26,006 --> 13:33:28,008 get tryway to, perhaps 84 13:33:28,075 --> 13:33:29,977 and give herself a little attention in a 85 13:33:30,043 --> 13:33:31,879 crowded race where struggle for 86 13:33:31,945 --> 13:33:34,047 oxygen. And saw kind of a 87 13:33:34,114 --> 13:33:36,049 muddled middle of a candidates that 88 13:33:36,116 --> 13:33:37,951 really were theally don't like 89 13:33:38,018 --> 13:33:39,920 process. And this may not be the best 90 13:33:39,987 --> 13:33:41,955 deal, but clear they were not 91 13:33:42,022 --> 13:33:44,124 ready to come out it. And then 92 13:33:44,191 --> 13:33:46,093 it failed. And comingnives started 93 13:33:46,159 --> 13:33:48,061 out afterwards. And we've seen since then 94 13:33:48,128 --> 13:33:49,997 has been different, but felt like those 95 13:33:50,063 --> 13:33:52,065 lanes were decided in the lead 96 13:33:52,132 --> 13:33:53,967 up to it. And afterwards they exposed 97 13:33:54,034 --> 13:33:55,702 a were feelingof 98 13:33:56,003 --> 13:33:58,071 about it and they were ready to 99 13:33:58,138 --> 13:33:59,973 blame more specifically for how it went apart. 100 13:34:00,040 --> 13:34:01,441 >> Anna, how are processing this? You 101 13:34:01,508 --> 13:34:02,242 know, I 102 13:34:02,309 --> 13:34:04,011 guess variety of 103 13:34:04,077 --> 13:34:04,778 reactions all 104 13:34:04,845 --> 13:34:05,445 coming from these 105 13:34:05,512 --> 13:34:05,812 candidates at 106 13:34:05,879 --> 13:34:07,080 once. >> Yeah. 107 13:34:07,147 --> 13:34:09,416 Well, in some ways, I think the bill 108 13:34:09,483 --> 13:34:11,185 was an tool anyways, right. 109 13:34:11,251 --> 13:34:12,920 For it. And sodwho 110 13:34:13,287 --> 13:34:14,788 all of a sudden it presented an opportunity 111 13:34:14,855 --> 13:34:15,756 for people in this 112 13:34:15,822 --> 13:34:16,256 crowded primary 113 13:34:16,323 --> 13:34:17,691 who are not 114 13:34:17,758 --> 13:34:18,358 really distinguished. 115 13:34:18,425 --> 13:34:19,259 I still 116 13:34:19,326 --> 13:34:20,561 run into people who 117 13:34:20,627 --> 13:34:22,529 do not know that governor'sa 118 13:34:22,596 --> 13:34:24,031 race this year, So this is a 119 13:34:24,097 --> 13:34:25,766 way and 120 13:34:25,832 --> 13:34:27,534 most people are not watching our show. 121 13:34:27,601 --> 13:34:28,335 Apparently they will, they'll 122 13:34:28,402 --> 13:34:29,136 start. Yeah, 123 13:34:29,203 --> 13:34:29,870 but so 124 13:34:29,937 --> 13:34:31,138 this is an 125 13:34:31,205 --> 13:34:31,738 opportunity for those 126 13:34:31,805 --> 13:34:32,372 Democrats to try 127 13:34:32,439 --> 13:34:33,574 to message 128 13:34:33,640 --> 13:34:35,042 around school 129 13:34:35,108 --> 13:34:36,143 funding property 130 13:34:36,210 --> 13:34:37,144 taxes, electionlly big 131 13:34:37,211 --> 13:34:37,811 year issues, and 132 13:34:37,878 --> 13:34:38,979 to try to 133 13:34:39,046 --> 13:34:40,013 stand out a little 134 13:34:40,080 --> 13:34:41,415 bit. >> Yeah. Talk 135 13:34:41,481 --> 13:34:42,950 about trying sort. There are 136 13:34:43,016 --> 13:34:44,117 of degrees of no 137 13:34:44,184 --> 13:34:44,985 and degrees of yes, 138 13:34:45,052 --> 13:34:45,686 like on on 139 13:34:45,752 --> 13:34:46,053 degrees of 140 13:34:46,119 --> 13:34:46,787 no. Kelda 141 13:34:46,854 --> 13:34:47,187 Roys. I 142 13:34:47,254 --> 13:34:48,088 think we were 143 13:34:48,155 --> 13:34:48,589 just checking out 144 13:34:48,655 --> 13:34:49,289 our emails 145 13:34:49,356 --> 13:34:50,958 and she 146 13:34:51,024 --> 13:34:51,725 came out against this 147 13:34:51,792 --> 13:34:52,993 deal in 148 13:34:53,060 --> 13:34:54,328 less than two hours 149 13:34:54,394 --> 13:34:55,095 after it was 150 13:34:55,162 --> 13:34:55,762 made public. 151 13:34:55,829 --> 13:34:56,964 So there's 152 13:34:57,030 --> 13:34:58,065 somebody trying to let 153 13:34:58,131 --> 13:34:59,299 people know I'm 154 13:34:59,366 --> 13:34:59,967 definitely against this, 155 13:35:00,033 --> 13:35:01,535 and she's got to vote 156 13:35:01,602 --> 13:35:03,637 on it mightnother, so 157 13:35:03,704 --> 13:35:05,706 as well take a position Francesca Hong the 158 13:35:05,772 --> 13:35:07,741 same day. And then got the candidates, 159 13:35:07,808 --> 13:35:09,142 as you who workednan 160 13:35:09,209 --> 13:35:09,710 for Tony Evers 161 13:35:09,776 --> 13:35:11,278 saying, I didn't like the 162 13:35:11,345 --> 13:35:12,279 process and then some. 163 13:35:12,346 --> 13:35:13,413 I exactlyow 164 13:35:13,480 --> 13:35:14,481 where the deald on 165 13:35:14,548 --> 13:35:15,682 where, you 166 13:35:15,749 --> 13:35:16,416 know, they're just 167 13:35:16,483 --> 13:35:18,018 basically saying 168 13:35:18,085 --> 13:35:19,219 it failed. We got to move 169 13:35:19,286 --> 13:35:20,954 on. You know, 170 13:35:21,021 --> 13:35:21,822 why is why 171 13:35:21,889 --> 13:35:22,456 would they give 172 13:35:22,523 --> 13:35:23,657 such a a 173 13:35:23,724 --> 13:35:24,291 muddled answer, as 174 13:35:24,358 --> 13:35:24,992 you called it? 175 13:35:25,058 --> 13:35:25,959 Why not take a 176 13:35:26,026 --> 13:35:27,094 position this thing? 177 13:35:27,160 --> 13:35:27,561 >> I think 178 13:35:27,628 --> 13:35:28,729 because there 179 13:35:28,795 --> 13:35:30,731 was a lot to knowing how 180 13:35:30,797 --> 13:35:32,866 it was going to come out. Most of 181 13:35:32,933 --> 13:35:34,701 these any ofved innot 182 13:35:34,768 --> 13:35:35,502 the discussions. probably 183 13:35:35,569 --> 13:35:36,637 did not know that 184 13:35:36,703 --> 13:35:37,437 they were even happening 185 13:35:37,504 --> 13:35:38,272 at this time. And 186 13:35:38,338 --> 13:35:39,473 I think 187 13:35:39,540 --> 13:35:40,073 it probably was 188 13:35:40,140 --> 13:35:41,141 true that Kelda 189 13:35:41,208 --> 13:35:42,676 may not have known they were 190 13:35:42,743 --> 13:35:43,777 happening, given how quickly 191 13:35:43,844 --> 13:35:44,578 she responded, 192 13:35:44,645 --> 13:35:45,112 it have 193 13:35:45,179 --> 13:35:45,812 known that, 194 13:35:45,879 --> 13:35:46,947 hey, Senate 195 13:35:47,014 --> 13:35:47,714 Dems were not 196 13:35:47,781 --> 13:35:48,815 in the which 197 13:35:48,882 --> 13:35:49,516 is ultimately killed 198 13:35:49,583 --> 13:35:50,217 this. And 199 13:35:50,284 --> 13:35:50,918 she the 200 13:35:50,984 --> 13:35:52,052 most distinct 201 13:35:52,119 --> 13:35:53,053 opportunity to put her 202 13:35:53,120 --> 13:35:54,755 stamp on this entire 203 13:35:54,821 --> 13:35:55,889 process . Because no matter 204 13:35:55,956 --> 13:35:57,891 what, she was the that wase 205 13:35:57,958 --> 13:35:59,059 in the chamber it could have 206 13:35:59,126 --> 13:36:00,494 passed that said, no, that 207 13:36:00,561 --> 13:36:01,428 was thet 208 13:36:01,495 --> 13:36:01,895 deciding vote, 209 13:36:01,962 --> 13:36:03,297 but a 210 13:36:03,363 --> 13:36:04,398 deciding vote adjacent in 211 13:36:04,464 --> 13:36:05,432 terms of being able 212 13:36:05,499 --> 13:36:06,400 to say, this is 213 13:36:06,466 --> 13:36:07,668 going down, I will 214 13:36:07,734 --> 13:36:09,770 not vote for it. stand with 215 13:36:09,837 --> 13:36:11,805 the rest of my colleagues. So there are 216 13:36:11,872 --> 13:36:13,774 definitely a lot of to be gained 217 13:36:13,841 --> 13:36:15,742 for some of people and being very 218 13:36:15,809 --> 13:36:17,711 clear, and there's a lose. And 219 13:36:17,778 --> 13:36:19,913 so some of that is just the approach 220 13:36:19,980 --> 13:36:21,648 that have taken in 221 13:36:22,049 --> 13:36:23,951 this primary assumedrunner or 222 13:36:24,017 --> 13:36:25,953 frontrunner. And Governory to 223 13:36:26,019 --> 13:36:27,855 Evers to begin people got multiple 224 13:36:27,921 --> 13:36:28,989 who've worked in his staff, two lieutenant 225 13:36:29,056 --> 13:36:29,790 ors, and then 226 13:36:29,857 --> 13:36:30,557 other people 227 13:36:30,624 --> 13:36:31,692 that are not close 228 13:36:31,758 --> 13:36:32,793 to the Evers administration 229 13:36:32,860 --> 13:36:35,095 at all. So they littlee a 230 13:36:35,162 --> 13:36:35,896 more freewheeling for, hoping're 231 13:36:35,963 --> 13:36:36,864 you know, the 232 13:36:36,930 --> 13:36:39,066 if they win a primary or 233 13:36:39,132 --> 13:36:40,634 come close, know, anyg, you 234 13:36:40,701 --> 13:36:42,035 blessings upon them at 235 13:36:42,102 --> 13:36:43,604 the last minute, can be farther apart. 236 13:36:43,670 --> 13:36:44,972 >> Yeah. He has said 237 13:36:45,038 --> 13:36:45,606 repeatedly he's not 238 13:36:45,672 --> 13:36:46,740 going endorse in 239 13:36:46,807 --> 13:36:47,341 this campaign. 240 13:36:47,407 --> 13:36:49,076 And he seems 241 13:36:49,776 --> 13:36:51,445 like with the 242 13:36:51,912 --> 13:36:53,514 candidates increasingly, especially as 243 13:36:53,580 --> 13:36:54,281 they kind 244 13:36:54,348 --> 13:36:55,382 of trash his 245 13:36:55,449 --> 13:36:56,216 deal as as 246 13:36:56,283 --> 13:36:57,150 they did this time 247 13:36:57,217 --> 13:36:58,218 around. Ana. 248 13:36:58,285 --> 13:36:59,019 I think what 249 13:36:59,086 --> 13:37:00,587 strikes me is that 250 13:37:00,654 --> 13:37:01,922 these campaign and theyt 251 13:37:01,989 --> 13:37:02,589 had a plan. 252 13:37:02,656 --> 13:37:03,257 They want to 253 13:37:03,323 --> 13:37:04,491 talk about 254 13:37:04,558 --> 13:37:05,092 certain Theysages. 255 13:37:05,158 --> 13:37:05,492 want to talk 256 13:37:05,559 --> 13:37:06,460 about Donald 257 13:37:06,527 --> 13:37:07,561 Trump. They want to 258 13:37:07,628 --> 13:37:08,562 define themselves on their 259 13:37:08,629 --> 13:37:10,197 terms. And 260 13:37:10,264 --> 13:37:11,498 when the governor 261 13:37:11,565 --> 13:37:12,432 negotiates an 262 13:37:12,499 --> 13:37:13,734 agreement with Republican 263 13:37:13,800 --> 13:37:15,102 leaders, it kind 264 13:37:15,169 --> 13:37:16,937 of throws a wrench in those 265 13:37:17,004 --> 13:37:18,939 plans, Well, right. I mean, 266 13:37:19,006 --> 13:37:20,807 there's sort of policy issues, and then 267 13:37:20,874 --> 13:37:22,476 there's was acs. And this 268 13:37:22,543 --> 13:37:23,310 political week, right? 269 13:37:23,377 --> 13:37:24,545 This all about these 270 13:37:24,611 --> 13:37:25,245 negotiations and 271 13:37:25,312 --> 13:37:27,014 kind of the 272 13:37:27,080 --> 13:37:28,615 powerful, the 273 13:37:28,682 --> 13:37:30,050 negotiations of power that were taking 274 13:37:30,117 --> 13:37:31,218 place. And that's really different 275 13:37:31,285 --> 13:37:32,619 than the issue of 276 13:37:32,686 --> 13:37:33,420 property taxes, which 277 13:37:33,487 --> 13:37:34,221 nobody is 278 13:37:34,288 --> 13:37:34,788 going to go 279 13:37:34,855 --> 13:37:35,389 on record 280 13:37:35,455 --> 13:37:36,056 supporting high 281 13:37:36,123 --> 13:37:37,291 property taxes. 282 13:37:37,357 --> 13:37:38,325 Nobody, in theially 283 13:37:38,392 --> 13:37:39,126 Democratic Party, is going 284 13:37:39,193 --> 13:37:40,294 to go on record 285 13:37:40,360 --> 13:37:41,528 not fundng to fully 286 13:37:41,595 --> 13:37:42,129 public schools. 287 13:37:42,196 --> 13:37:43,063 And doo how 288 13:37:43,130 --> 13:37:43,497 you kind 289 13:37:43,564 --> 13:37:44,264 of take a 290 13:37:44,331 --> 13:37:45,065 stance that 291 13:37:45,132 --> 13:37:45,866 allows you to 292 13:37:45,933 --> 13:37:46,967 be on sort of the 293 13:37:47,034 --> 13:37:48,068 right side of that 294 13:37:48,135 --> 13:37:48,936 politically? Well, then 295 13:37:49,002 --> 13:37:50,337 also taking 296 13:37:50,404 --> 13:37:51,405 part the 297 13:37:51,471 --> 13:37:52,506 political maneuverings in the 298 13:37:52,573 --> 13:37:53,674 capital, which again, like 299 13:37:53,740 --> 13:37:54,441 normal people 300 13:37:54,508 --> 13:37:55,843 don't follow, don't 301 13:37:55,909 --> 13:37:57,344 really just goingd. They're 302 13:37:57,411 --> 13:37:58,846 to see what's on 303 13:37:58,912 --> 13:38:00,280 their mailers in a of months saying 304 13:38:00,347 --> 13:38:00,914 voted for or 305 13:38:00,981 --> 13:38:01,782 against money 306 13:38:01,849 --> 13:38:02,716 in your pocket or 307 13:38:02,783 --> 13:38:04,218 money for your 308 13:38:04,284 --> 13:38:05,586 schools. And so really kind 309 13:38:05,652 --> 13:38:06,386 of complicated toce 310 13:38:06,453 --> 13:38:07,120 be doing right 311 13:38:07,187 --> 13:38:08,488 now. >> And do 312 13:38:08,555 --> 13:38:09,456 you think that, 313 13:38:09,523 --> 13:38:10,357 you know, 314 13:38:10,424 --> 13:38:11,191 coming out favor 315 13:38:11,258 --> 13:38:12,059 of the deal 316 13:38:12,125 --> 13:38:13,360 is Hughes did, for 317 13:38:13,427 --> 13:38:14,294 example, going to 318 13:38:14,361 --> 13:38:15,362 help you stand out 319 13:38:15,429 --> 13:38:16,263 in this crowded primary 320 13:38:16,330 --> 13:38:16,964 in a 321 13:38:17,030 --> 13:38:17,798 time when 322 13:38:17,865 --> 13:38:19,266 people are not 323 13:38:19,333 --> 13:38:20,667 necessarily paying attention to this 324 13:38:20,734 --> 13:38:21,668 race. >> Well, I 325 13:38:21,735 --> 13:38:23,403 will probablys is 326 13:38:23,704 --> 13:38:25,572 the only time that we've talked about Missy 327 13:38:25,639 --> 13:38:27,574 Hughes and said her more than once 328 13:38:27,641 --> 13:38:29,643 in a podcast. for someone who has 329 13:38:29,710 --> 13:38:31,645 been polling in the single digits, that 330 13:38:31,712 --> 13:38:33,680 matters. sway theowe're 331 13:38:33,747 --> 13:38:35,215 the voting public, getting your name out 332 13:38:35,282 --> 13:38:36,149 and taking a stance, 333 13:38:36,216 --> 13:38:37,484 I was a 334 13:38:37,551 --> 13:38:39,319 move for her to say, no, I will 335 13:38:39,386 --> 13:38:40,153 stand up something 336 13:38:40,220 --> 13:38:40,787 as opposed to 337 13:38:40,854 --> 13:38:41,622 like David 338 13:38:41,688 --> 13:38:42,890 Crowley, whose name 339 13:38:42,956 --> 13:38:44,658 we haven't mentioned He's running right in 340 13:38:44,725 --> 13:38:46,793 the middle of that We saw the 341 13:38:46,860 --> 13:38:48,662 releases he put about this bill before 342 13:38:48,729 --> 13:38:50,664 and after, and I don't know 100% 343 13:38:50,731 --> 13:38:52,599 whether he or didn't like it 344 13:38:52,666 --> 13:38:54,635 or was just kind in thetting 345 13:38:54,701 --> 13:38:56,803 middle on it, but Shawn, I want 346 13:38:56,870 --> 13:38:59,006 to ask you becauseney thing, 347 13:38:59,072 --> 13:39:00,841 we've seen the numbers. Thatu 348 13:39:00,908 --> 13:39:02,910 was something therecrats put out 349 13:39:02,976 --> 13:39:04,645 right away saying wasn'tnsustainable. It 350 13:39:04,711 --> 13:39:06,680 real money. It would have set us up 351 13:39:06,747 --> 13:39:08,715 for a really budget. How much do 352 13:39:08,782 --> 13:39:10,784 you time forat worked 353 13:39:10,851 --> 13:39:12,920 them, versus how Was it a convenient 354 13:39:12,986 --> 13:39:14,354 excuse for them afterwards when they really voted 355 13:39:14,421 --> 13:39:15,322 it ofn because 356 13:39:15,389 --> 13:39:16,723 power maneuvers? 357 13:39:16,790 --> 13:39:18,792 >> Oh, it could be a mix of 358 13:39:18,859 --> 13:39:20,961 both. I mean, if at theook 359 13:39:21,028 --> 13:39:21,895 fiscal Bureau Oneida did ah 360 13:39:21,962 --> 13:39:23,463 great story on 361 13:39:23,530 --> 13:39:24,665 yesterday, that's a 362 13:39:24,731 --> 13:39:26,567 pretty real 363 13:39:26,633 --> 13:39:27,568 concern. You 364 13:39:27,634 --> 13:39:29,002 know, or not that 365 13:39:29,069 --> 13:39:30,137 was their concern for 366 13:39:30,204 --> 13:39:30,971 voting this 367 13:39:31,038 --> 13:39:32,039 thing down or what 368 13:39:32,105 --> 13:39:32,706 political calculations 369 13:39:32,773 --> 13:39:33,841 they made. 370 13:39:33,907 --> 13:39:34,541 I think when you're 371 13:39:34,608 --> 13:39:36,276 looking at a 372 13:39:36,844 --> 13:39:38,579 2.95 billion projected 373 13:39:38,645 --> 13:39:39,746 budget deficit at 374 13:39:39,813 --> 13:39:41,648 the end of the next two 375 13:39:41,715 --> 13:39:43,417 year budget, not the we're in now, 376 13:39:43,483 --> 13:39:44,618 but the one that 377 13:39:44,685 --> 13:39:45,319 feels real to 378 13:39:45,385 --> 13:39:46,954 me on you. I 379 13:39:47,020 --> 13:39:47,988 mean, just numbers, right. 380 13:39:48,055 --> 13:39:49,890 >> And, you know, the 381 13:39:49,957 --> 13:39:52,059 sort that numbert caveat 382 13:39:52,125 --> 13:39:53,660 from the doesn't take intol 383 13:39:53,727 --> 13:39:55,529 account we are in at 384 13:39:55,796 --> 13:39:57,197 period of sort of remarkable economic 385 13:39:57,264 --> 13:39:58,832 nty right so it And 386 13:39:58,899 --> 13:40:00,367 says that we would have that deficit, that 387 13:40:00,434 --> 13:40:01,568 sort of almost $3 388 13:40:01,635 --> 13:40:02,436 billion thisit were 389 13:40:02,503 --> 13:40:03,537 to have passed. And 390 13:40:03,604 --> 13:40:04,538 that's not accounting for 391 13:40:04,605 --> 13:40:05,072 potential changes to 392 13:40:05,138 --> 13:40:06,139 tax revenue, 393 13:40:06,206 --> 13:40:07,274 to fact 394 13:40:07,341 --> 13:40:09,309 that there's like war going on right 395 13:40:09,376 --> 13:40:11,345 now gas prices,ecting 396 13:40:11,411 --> 13:40:13,313 all these from allt things. 397 13:40:13,380 --> 13:40:15,249 of the Democrats voted against it, and 398 13:40:15,315 --> 13:40:16,583 then also from the Republicans who voted 399 13:40:16,650 --> 13:40:18,285 t it, there was this 400 13:40:18,352 --> 13:40:20,220 concern about the cost this thing, which 401 13:40:20,287 --> 13:40:22,155 was kind with so even 402 13:40:22,222 --> 13:40:23,223 those kind of firmer numbers, it, 403 13:40:23,290 --> 13:40:24,157 you know, justifies, 404 13:40:24,224 --> 13:40:24,892 I think, what 405 13:40:24,958 --> 13:40:25,826 some of those 406 13:40:25,893 --> 13:40:27,361 lawmakers were saying on the 407 13:40:27,427 --> 13:40:28,896 floor. toind of points 408 13:40:28,962 --> 13:40:29,830 this place, 409 13:40:29,897 --> 13:40:30,998 again, political 410 13:40:31,064 --> 13:40:31,598 gamesmanship wehat 411 13:40:31,665 --> 13:40:32,466 often see when it 412 13:40:32,533 --> 13:40:34,134 comes to 413 13:40:34,201 --> 13:40:35,235 appropriations, which is ist 414 13:40:35,302 --> 13:40:36,036 what is our 415 13:40:36,103 --> 13:40:37,104 money for? What is 416 13:40:37,171 --> 13:40:38,272 our state for?us 417 13:40:38,338 --> 13:40:40,374 Is it for like this? Is it 418 13:40:40,440 --> 13:40:42,109 to pockets?back 419 13:40:42,409 --> 13:40:44,311 And so there was that was really the 420 13:40:44,378 --> 13:40:46,580 contours of the fight. >> You know, I 421 13:40:46,647 --> 13:40:48,015 think. office and theyome 422 13:40:48,081 --> 13:40:48,849 want to do things 423 13:40:48,916 --> 13:40:49,550 and they 424 13:40:49,616 --> 13:40:50,384 can just 425 13:40:50,450 --> 13:40:51,051 imagine how nice 426 13:40:51,118 --> 13:40:51,485 it beould 427 13:40:51,552 --> 13:40:52,619 to do things if 428 13:40:52,686 --> 13:40:53,453 everything goes their 429 13:40:53,520 --> 13:40:55,355 way in 430 13:40:55,422 --> 13:40:56,557 2027 and 431 13:40:56,623 --> 13:40:57,624 their inarty was 432 13:40:57,691 --> 13:40:58,458 control of the Senate, 433 13:40:58,525 --> 13:40:59,459 and who knows 434 13:40:59,526 --> 13:41:00,928 what And so 435 13:41:00,994 --> 13:41:01,929 probably they would 436 13:41:01,995 --> 13:41:03,330 like that money to 437 13:41:03,397 --> 13:41:04,464 spend on wantorities and don't 438 13:41:04,531 --> 13:41:05,532 to come into that 439 13:41:05,599 --> 13:41:06,166 situation running a 440 13:41:06,233 --> 13:41:07,467 deficit. So, 441 13:41:07,534 --> 13:41:08,735 you know, 442 13:41:08,802 --> 13:41:09,336 people become more 443 13:41:09,403 --> 13:41:10,470 budget hawks 444 13:41:10,537 --> 13:41:11,572 kind of depending on the 445 13:41:11,638 --> 13:41:12,739 circumstances. I time tofrom 446 13:41:12,806 --> 13:41:14,208 time, I will 447 13:41:14,274 --> 13:41:15,375 say thing that 448 13:41:15,442 --> 13:41:16,677 stood out to this week is 449 13:41:16,743 --> 13:41:17,778 Tony did an 450 13:41:17,845 --> 13:41:18,712 interview with 451 13:41:18,779 --> 13:41:20,247 Wisn TV 452 13:41:20,314 --> 13:41:20,948 where, and 453 13:41:21,014 --> 13:41:21,815 we alluded to 454 13:41:21,882 --> 13:41:22,916 this a bit last week 455 13:41:22,983 --> 13:41:24,651 in terms of the way 456 13:41:24,918 --> 13:41:26,086 that the theseursuednd 457 13:41:26,153 --> 13:41:26,787 negotiations, but he 458 13:41:26,854 --> 13:41:27,254 was straight 459 13:41:27,321 --> 13:41:27,721 up asked 460 13:41:27,788 --> 13:41:29,323 if he 461 13:41:29,389 --> 13:41:30,224 sought out Democratic 462 13:41:30,290 --> 13:41:30,924 votes on 463 13:41:30,991 --> 13:41:31,792 this bill, 464 13:41:31,859 --> 13:41:32,492 and he said, 465 13:41:32,559 --> 13:41:34,228 no, Zac, how 466 13:41:34,828 --> 13:41:36,496 do you in theat 467 13:41:36,897 --> 13:41:37,831 Senate, given the, know, political 468 13:41:37,898 --> 13:41:38,966 breakdown there? 469 13:41:39,032 --> 13:41:40,200 >> I mean, I 470 13:41:40,267 --> 13:41:41,201 would call it political 471 13:41:41,268 --> 13:41:41,935 malpractice the 472 13:41:42,002 --> 13:41:42,469 sense that anyone 473 13:41:42,536 --> 13:41:43,136 who looks 474 13:41:43,203 --> 13:41:44,071 at that, 475 13:41:44,137 --> 13:41:44,805 apparently he was 476 13:41:44,872 --> 13:41:46,106 told that he had the 477 13:41:46,173 --> 13:41:47,441 Republican passes alone to 478 13:41:47,508 --> 13:41:48,442 it in that chamber. 479 13:41:48,509 --> 13:41:49,343 1 surprising that 480 13:41:49,409 --> 13:41:50,277 he count 481 13:41:50,344 --> 13:41:51,278 just But those. 482 13:41:51,345 --> 13:41:52,412 especially given 483 13:41:52,479 --> 13:41:53,080 the senators 484 13:41:53,146 --> 13:41:53,747 that we've talked 485 13:41:53,814 --> 13:41:54,281 about repeatedly 486 13:41:54,348 --> 13:41:55,315 in that 487 13:41:55,382 --> 13:41:56,717 chamber that have voted 488 13:41:56,783 --> 13:41:57,684 against every one of these proposals, including 489 13:41:57,751 --> 13:41:58,385 e last 490 13:41:58,452 --> 13:41:59,419 three budgets, 491 13:41:59,486 --> 13:42:00,254 and Senators 492 13:42:00,320 --> 13:42:01,722 Soros and Kapenga 493 13:42:01,788 --> 13:42:02,956 Nosse is leaving. We 494 13:42:03,023 --> 13:42:03,957 talked it last week. 495 13:42:04,024 --> 13:42:05,659 There's no way he's going 496 13:42:05,726 --> 13:42:07,794 to be a vote on this. No 497 13:42:07,861 --> 13:42:09,830 one I don't.er believe 498 13:42:09,897 --> 13:42:11,865 care who you're to. But then that 499 13:42:11,932 --> 13:42:13,767 assumes that you're going to get Kapenga as 500 13:42:13,834 --> 13:42:15,936 well. And not to count Senator 501 13:42:16,003 --> 13:42:17,804 Hutten, who's also leaving the chamber, who voted 502 13:42:17,871 --> 13:42:19,540 no. thoughtk they 503 13:42:19,973 --> 13:42:21,808 maybe more likely could have gotten him. 504 13:42:21,875 --> 13:42:24,011 But. CapEx Bongino in last couple of 505 13:42:24,077 --> 13:42:25,779 budgets. So assumptions. At 506 13:42:25,846 --> 13:42:27,014 a time when have Democrats over 507 13:42:27,080 --> 13:42:28,749 there, why not reach out 508 13:42:28,815 --> 13:42:30,918 and say, hey, if you, will 509 13:42:30,984 --> 13:42:32,553 you be there? couplentioned a 510 13:42:32,619 --> 13:42:33,754 of names for Democrats, 511 13:42:33,820 --> 13:42:34,988 vulnerable Democrats that are up for 512 13:42:35,055 --> 13:42:35,789 election this Jeffsion and 513 13:42:35,856 --> 13:42:36,857 Smith, and 514 13:42:36,924 --> 13:42:38,725 why would not reach out and 515 13:42:38,792 --> 13:42:40,727 say, count on you if 516 13:42:40,794 --> 13:42:43,030 we need to? You have toeven 517 13:42:43,096 --> 13:42:44,798 necessarily offer them inuehing, 518 13:42:44,865 --> 13:42:46,733 and make them feel like they're part of 519 13:42:46,800 --> 13:42:48,468 the saidt that he 520 13:42:48,802 --> 13:42:50,938 he didn't, it seems really strange. 521 13:42:51,004 --> 13:42:52,306 shaky ground to go into negotiations, counting 522 13:42:52,372 --> 13:42:53,273 on one of those 523 13:42:53,340 --> 13:42:54,608 two lawmakers you just 524 13:42:54,675 --> 13:42:55,576 mentioned to vote 525 13:42:55,642 --> 13:42:56,910 for your deal. 526 13:42:56,977 --> 13:42:57,611 We did 527 13:42:57,678 --> 13:42:58,478 get a 528 13:42:58,545 --> 13:42:59,179 question from 529 13:42:59,246 --> 13:43:00,047 someone in our 530 13:43:00,113 --> 13:43:01,815 audience that feels 531 13:43:01,882 --> 13:43:02,449 timely now. 532 13:43:02,516 --> 13:43:02,983 This came from 533 13:43:03,050 --> 13:43:04,251 a student 534 13:43:04,318 --> 13:43:06,520 at the of Wisconsin, La 535 13:43:06,587 --> 13:43:08,422 Crosse, in theirwy watch 536 13:43:08,488 --> 13:43:09,556 legislative Here's herss. 537 13:43:09,623 --> 13:43:10,524 question about 538 13:43:10,591 --> 13:43:12,392 special sessions. 539 13:43:12,960 --> 13:43:14,061 >> My name is 540 13:43:14,127 --> 13:43:14,962 Katie and I'm studying 541 13:43:15,028 --> 13:43:15,495 political science 542 13:43:15,562 --> 13:43:16,830 at UW-La Crosse. 543 13:43:16,897 --> 13:43:17,464 My question 544 13:43:17,531 --> 13:43:18,498 is, why 545 13:43:18,565 --> 13:43:19,132 have there been so 546 13:43:19,199 --> 13:43:19,833 many special 547 13:43:19,900 --> 13:43:20,634 sessions called by 548 13:43:20,701 --> 13:43:21,768 Governor Evers? And 549 13:43:21,835 --> 13:43:22,603 does this signal 550 13:43:22,669 --> 13:43:23,470 breakdown in 551 13:43:23,537 --> 13:43:24,471 normal legislative 552 13:43:24,538 --> 13:43:25,072 compromise, isr 553 13:43:25,138 --> 13:43:25,772 it simply 554 13:43:25,839 --> 13:43:26,573 a strategic 555 13:43:26,640 --> 13:43:27,975 political tool? 556 13:43:28,041 --> 13:43:28,609 >> All right. 557 13:43:28,675 --> 13:43:29,042 Well, we 558 13:43:29,109 --> 13:43:29,776 have all 559 13:43:29,843 --> 13:43:30,210 covered our 560 13:43:30,277 --> 13:43:31,278 share of special 561 13:43:31,345 --> 13:43:32,346 sessions now. 562 13:43:32,412 --> 13:43:33,213 And so let's 563 13:43:33,280 --> 13:43:34,581 all onust chime in 564 13:43:34,648 --> 13:43:35,983 this. But Anya, you first, 565 13:43:36,049 --> 13:43:36,917 how would you answer 566 13:43:36,984 --> 13:43:37,784 this question about special 567 13:43:37,851 --> 13:43:38,519 sessions? >> I 568 13:43:38,585 --> 13:43:39,853 mean, again, I think 569 13:43:39,920 --> 13:43:41,622 that they are often messaging tool and 570 13:43:41,688 --> 13:43:42,389 especially in divided ment, 571 13:43:42,456 --> 13:43:43,156 right? Where 572 13:43:43,223 --> 13:43:44,191 Democrats are never 573 13:43:44,258 --> 13:43:45,759 going get their bills on 574 13:43:45,826 --> 13:43:46,460 the Republicans 575 13:43:46,527 --> 13:43:47,394 control it, 576 13:43:47,461 --> 13:43:48,161 or at they're sort 577 13:43:48,228 --> 13:43:49,263 of values 578 13:43:49,329 --> 13:43:50,097 first, their top 579 13:43:50,163 --> 13:43:50,664 priorities on the 580 13:43:50,731 --> 13:43:51,465 floor. This 581 13:43:51,532 --> 13:43:52,666 is a way for the 582 13:43:52,733 --> 13:43:53,267 Democratic toovernor 583 13:43:53,333 --> 13:43:54,201 signal what is 584 13:43:54,268 --> 13:43:55,135 most important to him 585 13:43:55,202 --> 13:43:55,869 by calling these 586 13:43:55,936 --> 13:43:56,637 special sessions, 587 13:43:56,703 --> 13:43:57,137 and ifn also, 588 13:43:57,204 --> 13:43:58,639 he does it 589 13:43:58,705 --> 13:44:00,174 on kind of widelygain, 590 13:44:00,240 --> 13:44:00,574 popular no matter 591 13:44:00,641 --> 13:44:01,408 how you 592 13:44:01,475 --> 13:44:02,142 vote, he can 593 13:44:02,209 --> 13:44:03,177 force votes 594 13:44:03,243 --> 13:44:04,378 on issues. So he 595 13:44:04,444 --> 13:44:05,078 can for example, 596 13:44:05,145 --> 13:44:05,546 he he 597 13:44:05,612 --> 13:44:06,413 called a special 598 13:44:06,480 --> 13:44:07,381 session a few years 599 13:44:07,447 --> 13:44:08,415 ago on child care, 600 13:44:08,482 --> 13:44:09,950 trying force 601 13:44:10,017 --> 13:44:11,218 Republicans to vote in 602 13:44:11,285 --> 13:44:13,086 a way that could then get messaged as 603 13:44:13,153 --> 13:44:13,754 Republicans don't care whether 604 13:44:13,820 --> 13:44:14,588 you get child 605 13:44:14,655 --> 13:44:15,122 care. And so that's 606 13:44:15,189 --> 13:44:15,856 one use of 607 13:44:15,923 --> 13:44:17,157 it. But 608 13:44:17,224 --> 13:44:19,493 I will say I ever covered 609 13:44:19,560 --> 13:44:20,827 special government. I have only 610 13:44:20,894 --> 13:44:21,728 ever covered Evers 611 13:44:21,795 --> 13:44:22,262 special sessions. So 612 13:44:22,329 --> 13:44:22,996 I'm curious 613 13:44:23,063 --> 13:44:23,964 for you guys who 614 13:44:24,031 --> 13:44:24,498 have covered 615 13:44:24,565 --> 13:44:25,966 when Republicans 616 13:44:26,033 --> 13:44:27,167 controlled the 617 13:44:27,234 --> 13:44:28,602 legislature and the 618 13:44:28,669 --> 13:44:29,636 governor's office, worked in 619 13:44:29,703 --> 13:44:30,704 tandem, Walker 620 13:44:30,771 --> 13:44:31,405 years, what did 621 13:44:31,471 --> 13:44:32,039 special sessions look 622 13:44:32,105 --> 13:44:33,307 like then? 623 13:44:33,373 --> 13:44:34,341 >> Derrick. I seem to 624 13:44:34,408 --> 13:44:34,942 remember a pretty big 625 13:44:35,008 --> 13:44:36,043 special session 626 13:44:36,109 --> 13:44:37,144 when Governor 627 13:44:37,211 --> 13:44:37,744 Scott Walker was 628 13:44:37,811 --> 13:44:38,912 sworn in, 629 13:44:38,979 --> 13:44:39,880 actually, the 630 13:44:39,947 --> 13:44:40,714 day inauguration. 631 13:44:40,781 --> 13:44:42,149 He. He 632 13:44:42,216 --> 13:44:43,050 declared a 633 13:44:43,116 --> 13:44:44,484 special on jobs. I 634 13:44:44,551 --> 13:44:45,485 think he called it. 635 13:44:45,552 --> 13:44:46,620 >> Yeah, that seemed 636 13:44:46,687 --> 13:44:47,588 to be big.y, pretty 637 13:44:47,654 --> 13:44:48,422 Some acts came 638 13:44:48,488 --> 13:44:49,823 out of that that 639 13:44:49,890 --> 13:44:51,925 still resonate with a of the public 640 13:44:51,992 --> 13:44:53,794 and may bring forme traumatic memories 641 13:44:53,861 --> 13:44:55,929 a lot of people marched around the 642 13:44:55,996 --> 13:44:56,897 Capitol protests. Yeah,t 643 13:44:56,964 --> 13:44:57,731 in that 644 13:44:57,798 --> 13:44:58,599 era, mean, 645 13:44:58,665 --> 13:44:59,766 we have to look back in 646 13:44:59,833 --> 13:45:00,334 25 years 647 13:45:00,400 --> 13:45:00,834 of my time 648 13:45:00,901 --> 13:45:02,169 covering this 649 13:45:02,236 --> 13:45:02,970 legislature, has been 650 13:45:03,036 --> 13:45:03,704 one session 651 13:45:03,770 --> 13:45:04,505 in which there 652 13:45:04,571 --> 13:45:05,339 was truly 653 13:45:05,405 --> 13:45:06,373 divided government in the 654 13:45:06,440 --> 13:45:07,341 legislature, in which 655 13:45:07,407 --> 13:45:08,876 Republicans held and theber, 656 13:45:08,942 --> 13:45:10,344 Democrats held a Somber. 657 13:45:10,410 --> 13:45:11,645 most of the time, the 658 13:45:11,712 --> 13:45:13,447 past two half decades, 659 13:45:13,514 --> 13:45:15,182 we've looked there hasn't been 660 13:45:15,249 --> 13:45:16,850 compromised thecessary in 661 13:45:16,917 --> 13:45:17,518 legislature. It's come 662 13:45:17,584 --> 13:45:18,619 between the executive 663 13:45:18,685 --> 13:45:19,920 and legislative 664 13:45:19,987 --> 13:45:20,821 branches. So 665 13:45:20,888 --> 13:45:21,688 special sessions are 666 13:45:21,755 --> 13:45:22,523 one way 667 13:45:22,589 --> 13:45:23,557 for a governor 668 13:45:23,624 --> 13:45:24,358 to draw 669 13:45:24,424 --> 13:45:25,158 attention to what they 670 13:45:25,225 --> 13:45:26,393 need And I asked 671 13:45:26,460 --> 13:45:28,195 Governor Evers about this a 672 13:45:28,262 --> 13:45:30,097 couple callinge was 673 13:45:30,163 --> 13:45:32,499 him left and right, and he only has 674 13:45:32,566 --> 13:45:34,134 a couple bring attention to 675 13:45:34,201 --> 13:45:36,236 what he budgetrite a 676 13:45:36,303 --> 13:45:38,172 which he knows will get immediately trashed, 677 13:45:38,238 --> 13:45:39,973 at least he can and introduce his 678 13:45:40,040 --> 13:45:41,108 values, principles, and 679 13:45:41,175 --> 13:45:42,843 say, to would like 680 13:45:43,277 --> 13:45:45,279 see happen. And then can call special 681 13:45:45,345 --> 13:45:46,747 sessions. his onlyan that, 682 13:45:46,813 --> 13:45:47,581 legal power to 683 13:45:47,648 --> 13:45:49,149 do something in the Capitol. 684 13:45:49,216 --> 13:45:51,251 The rest of the the bully's 685 13:45:51,318 --> 13:45:52,886 pulpit and going and talking to the 686 13:45:52,953 --> 13:45:54,621 media. wouldink I 687 13:45:55,489 --> 13:45:56,990 have answered Katie's weekserently a few 688 13:45:57,057 --> 13:45:58,058 ago than I would Andw. 689 13:45:58,125 --> 13:45:59,026 and that 690 13:45:59,092 --> 13:46:01,295 is to say that a few weeks ago 691 13:46:01,361 --> 13:46:02,963 I would sessions from 692 13:46:03,030 --> 13:46:03,630 this governor basically 693 13:46:03,697 --> 13:46:04,865 all about 694 13:46:04,932 --> 13:46:05,699 messaging, that they are all 695 13:46:05,766 --> 13:46:07,234 about forcing 696 13:46:07,301 --> 13:46:08,202 Republicans to take a 697 13:46:08,268 --> 13:46:09,303 position against 698 13:46:09,369 --> 13:46:10,003 his priorities 699 13:46:10,070 --> 13:46:11,371 or to get his 700 13:46:11,438 --> 13:46:12,706 priorities on the record. would 701 13:46:12,773 --> 13:46:13,974 say this last special 702 13:46:14,041 --> 13:46:15,342 session that where heed, 703 13:46:15,409 --> 13:46:16,009 brought Republicans in 704 13:46:16,076 --> 13:46:16,777 to pass 705 13:46:16,844 --> 13:46:17,544 a deal, 706 13:46:17,611 --> 13:46:18,545 he thought 707 13:46:18,612 --> 13:46:20,147 that they negotiated. 708 13:46:20,214 --> 13:46:20,747 That's kind of a 709 13:46:20,814 --> 13:46:21,348 special session, 710 13:46:21,415 --> 13:46:22,449 as the 711 13:46:22,516 --> 13:46:23,217 founders intended, or the 712 13:46:23,283 --> 13:46:24,218 framers of 713 13:46:24,284 --> 13:46:25,319 the state constitution 714 13:46:25,385 --> 13:46:26,987 would have intended, 715 13:46:27,054 --> 13:46:28,088 where, look, the 716 13:46:28,155 --> 13:46:29,423 regular sessions 717 13:46:29,489 --> 13:46:30,224 done or are 718 13:46:30,290 --> 13:46:31,191 calendar days are 719 13:46:31,258 --> 13:46:32,025 done. We 720 13:46:32,092 --> 13:46:32,893 have this big issue 721 13:46:32,960 --> 13:46:34,728 we to deal with, and 722 13:46:34,795 --> 13:46:36,463 we let'sime with, 723 13:46:36,730 --> 13:46:38,465 let's agree to come back in for a 724 13:46:38,532 --> 13:46:39,566 special session of the 725 13:46:39,633 --> 13:46:40,400 legislature. moret's 726 13:46:40,467 --> 13:46:40,901 ceremonial. you 727 13:46:40,968 --> 13:46:41,969 had everybody 728 13:46:42,035 --> 13:46:43,070 actually building 729 13:46:43,136 --> 13:46:43,904 versus most 730 13:46:43,971 --> 13:46:44,471 special sessions 731 13:46:44,538 --> 13:46:45,506 like the 732 13:46:45,572 --> 13:46:46,840 one on gerrymandering, for 733 13:46:46,907 --> 13:46:47,641 example, that was 734 13:46:47,708 --> 13:46:48,509 for show. 735 13:46:48,575 --> 13:46:49,476 And by the way, 736 13:46:49,543 --> 13:46:49,977 they gaveled 737 13:46:50,043 --> 13:46:51,111 that out last 738 13:46:51,178 --> 13:46:52,212 Thursday, kind of 739 13:46:52,279 --> 13:46:53,113 when nobody was 740 13:46:53,180 --> 13:46:53,947 paying attention. 741 13:46:54,014 --> 13:46:54,815 That was 742 13:46:54,882 --> 13:46:56,350 done. That was one 743 13:46:56,416 --> 13:46:58,318 where the governor wanted to highlight an issue, 744 13:46:58,385 --> 13:47:00,020 said, gerrymandering. And 745 13:47:00,087 --> 13:47:01,021 Republicans said, we'll consider 746 13:47:01,088 --> 13:47:02,656 it and 747 13:47:02,723 --> 13:47:03,290 not anymore. It's 748 13:47:03,357 --> 13:47:04,157 gaveled out. 749 13:47:04,224 --> 13:47:05,592 >> Yeah. And Republicansat 750 13:47:05,659 --> 13:47:06,560 can respond to 751 13:47:06,627 --> 13:47:07,494 the governor trying 752 13:47:07,561 --> 13:47:08,662 to call attention to something 753 13:47:08,729 --> 13:47:10,030 h is special session 754 13:47:10,097 --> 13:47:10,898 what's called a skeletal 755 13:47:10,964 --> 13:47:11,665 session. Which two 756 13:47:11,732 --> 13:47:12,466 of come in, 757 13:47:12,533 --> 13:47:14,268 they theyel it in, 758 13:47:14,334 --> 13:47:16,370 gavel it out. They don't even have to 759 13:47:16,436 --> 13:47:18,338 bring So that'sg. do 760 13:47:18,405 --> 13:47:20,374 the response to want attention on this. 761 13:47:20,440 --> 13:47:22,509 You want attention, we'll give you an empty 762 13:47:22,576 --> 13:47:24,411 dark turn the lightserally 763 13:47:24,478 --> 13:47:26,246 on. That's pay totion we'll 764 13:47:26,313 --> 13:47:28,415 it. But it is about politics. It 765 13:47:28,482 --> 13:47:30,350 all. It This lasttics. 766 13:47:30,417 --> 13:47:32,452 one was a little different, and the thing 767 13:47:32,519 --> 13:47:34,021 that's probably deceiving most people is they're 768 13:47:34,087 --> 13:47:35,622 legally called special ns 769 13:47:35,689 --> 13:47:37,457 when the governor extraordinary sessions 770 13:47:37,524 --> 13:47:39,359 in Those are juste calls 771 13:47:39,426 --> 13:47:41,662 names. All outsidehappens 772 13:47:41,728 --> 13:47:43,263 the regular years ago declaredans 773 13:47:43,330 --> 13:47:45,232 the done inr was going 774 13:47:45,299 --> 13:47:46,500 March. So nine to campaign. 775 13:47:46,567 --> 13:47:48,001 That's only reason. It's not 776 13:47:48,068 --> 13:47:48,802 regular session. It's l. 777 13:47:48,869 --> 13:47:49,536 But it was 778 13:47:49,603 --> 13:47:51,438 a special time in the 779 13:47:51,505 --> 13:47:52,973 Capitol >> Yeah. Yeswill 780 13:47:53,040 --> 13:47:54,041 they will. you 781 13:47:54,107 --> 13:47:55,175 want to ask us 782 13:47:55,242 --> 13:47:56,243 a stateon about 783 13:47:56,310 --> 13:47:57,344 government or senditics, 784 13:47:57,411 --> 13:47:57,945 us an email 785 13:47:58,011 --> 13:47:59,680 at Inside 786 13:47:59,947 --> 13:48:00,814 Wisconsin Politics at 787 13:48:00,881 --> 13:48:02,549 wpri dot 788 13:48:03,483 --> 13:48:04,017 before we wrap 789 13:48:04,084 --> 13:48:04,852 up here, 790 13:48:04,918 --> 13:48:05,619 I did want 791 13:48:05,686 --> 13:48:07,020 to talk about the 792 13:48:07,087 --> 13:48:07,754 campaign for 793 13:48:07,821 --> 13:48:08,589 governor. the 794 13:48:08,655 --> 13:48:08,956 Republican side. We 795 13:48:09,022 --> 13:48:09,790 had a 796 13:48:09,857 --> 13:48:11,258 state GOP 797 13:48:11,325 --> 13:48:12,359 convention pastthis 798 13:48:12,426 --> 13:48:14,094 weekend. Tom 799 13:48:14,161 --> 13:48:15,929 Tiffany is now the candidate. He doesn't 800 13:48:15,996 --> 13:48:17,698 have the wayarybout 801 13:48:17,764 --> 13:48:18,465 that the hadndidates 802 13:48:18,532 --> 13:48:20,234 to in 2022, 803 13:48:20,300 --> 13:48:20,968 so he can 804 13:48:21,034 --> 13:48:21,802 focus on the 805 13:48:21,869 --> 13:48:23,237 general election 806 13:48:23,303 --> 13:48:24,538 now. And yet, 807 13:48:24,605 --> 13:48:26,139 Zac, we're 808 13:48:26,206 --> 13:48:27,407 talking about the 2020 election here. 809 13:48:27,474 --> 13:48:27,875 What is 810 13:48:27,941 --> 13:48:28,609 Tom Tiffany 811 13:48:28,675 --> 13:48:29,676 talking about? 812 13:48:29,743 --> 13:48:30,310 >> He cannot get 813 13:48:30,377 --> 13:48:31,512 away from 814 13:48:31,578 --> 13:48:33,146 Trump's main 815 13:48:33,213 --> 13:48:34,715 grievance, lostt that he 816 13:48:34,781 --> 13:48:35,782 to Joe Biden in 2020. 817 13:48:35,849 --> 13:48:36,517 And because 818 13:48:36,583 --> 13:48:37,050 he still has 819 13:48:37,117 --> 13:48:38,151 such a 820 13:48:38,218 --> 13:48:39,253 powerful grip theer 821 13:48:39,319 --> 13:48:40,087 Republican Party nationally, 822 13:48:40,153 --> 13:48:40,687 which we just 823 13:48:40,754 --> 13:48:41,755 saw in 824 13:48:41,822 --> 13:48:42,222 Republican primaries 825 13:48:42,289 --> 13:48:43,023 in Kentucky 826 13:48:43,090 --> 13:48:44,091 and in Louisiana 827 13:48:44,157 --> 13:48:45,492 Senate races, 828 13:48:45,559 --> 13:48:46,159 that his people 829 13:48:46,226 --> 13:48:46,927 have to fall 830 13:48:46,994 --> 13:48:48,295 in line on his 831 13:48:48,362 --> 13:48:49,096 beliefs incorrect 832 13:48:49,162 --> 13:48:50,264 beliefs that 833 13:48:50,330 --> 13:48:51,331 the 2020 election 834 13:48:51,398 --> 13:48:51,999 was stolen. So 835 13:48:52,065 --> 13:48:52,733 Tom Tiffany is 836 13:48:52,799 --> 13:48:53,867 still answering 837 13:48:53,934 --> 13:48:54,902 questions about 838 13:48:54,968 --> 13:48:56,203 election fraud 839 13:48:56,270 --> 13:48:57,070 investigations and whether 840 13:48:57,137 --> 13:48:57,804 Joe Biden won 841 13:48:57,871 --> 13:48:58,539 the election 842 13:48:58,605 --> 13:48:59,239 with, you know, 843 13:48:59,306 --> 13:49:00,307 kind of diffusing 844 13:49:00,374 --> 13:49:01,074 or deferring 845 13:49:01,141 --> 13:49:01,742 and to get 846 13:49:01,808 --> 13:49:02,509 away from it 847 13:49:02,576 --> 13:49:03,343 because he can't 848 13:49:03,410 --> 13:49:04,044 come out and 849 13:49:04,111 --> 13:49:04,845 honestly say, no, of 850 13:49:04,912 --> 13:49:05,846 course Trump lost. That's 851 13:49:05,913 --> 13:49:07,014 been warranted over and 852 13:49:07,080 --> 13:49:07,881 over. Every Republican 853 13:49:07,948 --> 13:49:08,415 group out there, 854 13:49:08,482 --> 13:49:09,583 from Vos 855 13:49:09,650 --> 13:49:11,885 to the for Lawsin Institute 856 13:49:11,952 --> 13:49:13,987 and Liberty has said so. And that 857 13:49:14,054 --> 13:49:15,923 is something that Democrats love to hear, because 858 13:49:15,989 --> 13:49:17,791 they around hisnue to 859 13:49:17,858 --> 13:49:19,893 neck all the way to November as much 860 13:49:19,960 --> 13:49:21,962 as they they tiesern, 861 13:49:22,029 --> 13:49:23,797 him to Donald from these grievances 862 13:49:23,864 --> 13:49:25,766 four years, six years ago now that the 863 13:49:25,832 --> 13:49:27,801 better off >> Andhem. 864 13:49:27,868 --> 13:49:29,770 Ana just real quick, I mean, it seems 865 13:49:29,837 --> 13:49:31,772 like this issue where as much 866 13:49:31,839 --> 13:49:33,807 as he wants to handful those 867 13:49:33,874 --> 13:49:35,742 of voters who are in the middle, this 868 13:49:35,809 --> 13:49:37,711 is a he can't cross as 869 13:49:37,778 --> 13:49:39,780 far as Republicans are concerned. 870 13:49:39,847 --> 13:49:41,882 mean, I think of the lessons from 871 13:49:41,949 --> 13:49:43,784 this week is that politics, it's 872 13:49:43,851 --> 13:49:45,786 not the time you are a Republican 873 13:49:45,853 --> 13:49:47,821 to ared so we Trump. 874 13:49:47,888 --> 13:49:49,923 seeing him sort of himself again to 875 13:49:49,990 --> 13:49:51,892 this issue. see interesting to 876 13:49:51,959 --> 13:49:53,160 how much does that motivate his Republican 877 13:49:53,227 --> 13:49:54,828 rs, and how much does 878 13:49:54,895 --> 13:49:57,097 that turn off those moderate voters and 879 13:49:57,164 --> 13:49:58,866 Democratic voters? the timeallly. 880 13:49:58,932 --> 13:50:01,134 we have for today. 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