>>> WELCOME TO "NO ""NOON
WEDNESDAY"," I'M MARISA WOJCIK
WITH "HERE & NOW" ON PBS
WISCONSIN.
TODAY IS OCTOBER 20.
WISCONSIN IS IN THE THROES OF
REDISTRICTING, DONE ONCE EVERY
TEN YEARS.
THE PROCESS IC USES THE LATEST
CENSUS DATA TO REDRAW STATE
SENATE DISTRICTS AND ASSEMBLY
AND COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL LINES
AS WELL.
A GROUP OF RESIDENTS IS
PARTICULARLY LEFT BEHIND IN THE
PROCESS, PEOPLE WHO ARE
INCARCERATED AND LOST THEIR
RIGHT TO VOTE, BUT THEY ARE
COUNTED -- BUT THE WAY THEY ARE
COUNTED STILL HAS BIG IMPACTS.
WE ARE JOINED JEROME DILLARD AND
PATTY WEST-SCHRODER, THANK YOU
BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> JEROME, I WANT TO START WITH
YOU.
A NEW REPORT RELEASED THIS PAST
WEEK SAYS WISCONSIN INCARCERATES
BLACK ADULTS AT A RATE MORE THAN
DOUBLE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
WISCONSIN IS THE WORST FOR THE
RATES.
ROUGHLY 1 OUT OF EVERY 36 BLACK
RESIDENTS ARE INCARCERATED.
DID THIS COME AS A SURPRISE TO
YOU, AND HOW DID THIS STATE GET
TO THIS POINT?
>> WELL, IT DID NOT COME AS A
SURPRISE TO ME, AND ALTHOUGH IT
IS A NEW REPORT, I BELIEVE THAT,
TRULY, THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN THE
SAME FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES FOR
THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
WE'VE WITH ALWAYS LINGERED IN
THE TOP TIER OF ONE OF THE WORST
STATES IN THE COUNTRY TO BE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND RACIAL
DISPARITIES WITHIN THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM.
SO --
>> AND, AGAIN, HOW DID WE GET
HERE?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW,
IT IS NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE
INCARCERATED BECAUSE I WANT TO
SAY THAT CORRECTIONS ONLY
RECEIVE THOSE THAT THE COURTS
SENT TO THEM.
THE COURTS ONLY RECEIVE THOSE
WHO ARE ADJUDICATED BY THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ONLY IS
CHARGING VOLITION, DOING
ARRESTS.
SO IT STARTS EARLY ON.
IT STARTS WITH POLICING ALL THE
WAY UP TO THOSE WHO ARE
SUPERVISED UNDER WHAT WE CALL
"COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS," WHICH
IS A DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS.
I FEEL THAT THE SCHOOL TO PRISON
PIPELINE IS STILL ALIVE AND
GOING HERE IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
I ALSO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE
RACIAL DISPARITIES ARE SOMETHING
WE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS, AND ON
SEVERAL OCCASIONS, AROUND THE
STATE, THERE WERE RACIAL
DISPARITIES TASK FORCE WHO DID
PLANNING, LOOKING AT THE
DISPARITIES IN THEIR COUNTIES,
AND THE MUNICIPALITIES, AND I'M
IN DANE COUNTY, AN WE CAME UP
WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER 18
MONTHS OF MEETING AS THE DANE
COUNTY RACIAL DISPARITIES TASK
FORCE, AND WE CAME UP WITH MANY
RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT VERY FEW
WERE IMPLEMENTED.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE
MISSING THE BOAT HERE AS
IMPLEMENTING THOSE RESULTS THAT
COME OUT OF THEE PARTICULAR WORK
GROUPS.
>> AND, PEGGY, WHY DOES THE
CENSUS COUNTING THE HOME ADDRESS
OF SOMEONE WHO IS CURRENTLY
INCARCERATED AT THE ADDRESS OF
WHERE THE PRISON OR JAIL IS
LOCATED AND NOT WHERE THEY LAST
LIVED?
WHY DOES THAT HAPPEN?
>> --
>> PEGGY, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> OH, YEAH, I CAN.
SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS
DIRECTED TOWARDS ME.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN, YOU ARE COUNTED AS --
YOU ARE COUNTED IF YOU ARE
INCARCERATED IN THE FACILITY
THAT YOU ARE INCARCERATED IN.
SO THAT BOTH HAS FINANCIAL AND
POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS TO THOSE
COMMUNITIES.
SO YOU GET MONEY ACCORDING TO
HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU'RE COUNTING
IN YOUR CENSUS, WHICH IS THE
MOTIVATION, OBVIOUSLY, FOR
COUNTING THEM THERE, BUT
POLITICALLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING,
AND THIS CENSUS IS A GREAT
EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO MILWAUKEE COUNTY HAS LOST
17,000 PEOPLE FROM ITS CENSUS.
ALL OF THOSE 17,000 PEOPLE,
MAJORITY OF THEM, ARE INCOURSE
RATED IN OTHER PART --
INCARCERATED IN OTHER PARTS OF
THE STATE.
MY HUSBAND IS AN EXAMPLE.
HE'S INCARCERATED IN RED GRANITE
AND COUNTED IN THE CENSUS IN RED
GRANITE, RETURNED HOME TO
MILWAUKEE COUNTY IN APRIL.
HE'S ONLY LITERALLY LIVED IN RED
GRANITE FOR FOUR MONTHS, AND NOW
THAT MONEY AND THOSE RESOURCES
THAT COME WITH THAT MONEY AND
HIS POLITICAL, YOU KNOW -- THE
POLITICAL CLUB THAT COMES WITH
THAT MONEY OR WITH THAT COUNT
ALSO STAYED IN RED GRANITE, AND
SO WE ARE IN A SITUATION, AGAIN,
HERE IN MILWAUKEE COUNTY, WHERE
WE WITH ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO
LOSE PEOPLE OF COLOR
REPRESENTATION, DISTRICTS OF
COLOR BECAUSE OUR NUMBERS NO
LONGER SUPPORT WHAT, YOU KNOW,
WHAT OUR POPULATION IS.
SO OUR POPULATION NO LONGER
SUPPORTS OR GIVES US THIS
NUMBERS, BUT, AGAIN, WE KNOW THE
PEOPLE WILL BE RETURNING AND
MOST LIKELY BEFORE THE TEN YEARS
ARE UP TO AN ADDRESS IN
MILWAUKEE COUNTY, AND THIS
HAPPENS ACROSS THE STATE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT THEN
SKIES YOUR RACIAL DISPARITY
NUMBERS.
IF YOU LOOK AT 28%
AFRICAN-AMERICAN, WELL, THE
MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE COMING
BECAUSE THEY COUNTED PEOPLE IN
THE PRISON, AND NOT BECAUSE IT
IS ORGANIC TO THE COUNTY.
SO IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY
AVAILABLE, RESOURCES AVAILABLE,
FOR COMMUNITY OF COLOR, YOU CAN
PICK OUT A DISTRICT, LIKE, OH,
YEAH, THERE'S PEOPLE OF COLOR
HERE, AND THEY SHOULD THEN HAVE
ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES, WHEN,
IN REALITY, THEY DON'T HAVE
ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES BECAUSE
THEY ARE INCARCERATED.
>> AND, PEGGY, WHAT IS THE
DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHERE THESE
PRISONS ARE LOCATED IN THE
STATE?
WHAT IMPACTS DOES IT HAVE IN
THAT COMMUNITY THAT LIES WITHIN
TO COUNT INCARCERATED PEOPLE IN
THAT DISTRICT?
>> YOU'RE TALKING VERY SMALL
COMMUNITIES.
MOST PRISONS IN THE STATE OTHER
THAN MILWAUKEE SECURE DETENTION
FACILITY AND RACINE CORRECTIONAL
FACILITY ARE IN VERY SMALL
COMMUNITIES.
GREEN BAY'S A LITTLE BIGGER
VISIBILITY, BUT YOU HAVE GORDON
UP NORTH WHERE PEOPLE, A LOT OF
TIMES, DO NOT KNOW WHERE THAT
IS.
CHIPPEWA.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CREATING A
FALSE POPULATION THERE BECAUSE
YOU ARE COUNTING PEOPLE THAT ARE
INCARCERATED THERE.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE THE ROADS.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T, YOU KNOW, SHOP
IN THOSE LOCAL -- THEY DO GET
AMBULANCE SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY,
BUT THEY, FOR THE MOST PART
DON'T GO TO THE HOSPITALS IN
THOSE AREAS.
THEY ARE TRANSPORTED TO
HOSPITALS THAT ARE CONFIGURED TO
SERVE THEM, AND SO YOU HAVE
RESOURCES, AGAIN, THAT ARE BEING
ALLOCATED THROUGH THE CENSUS,
THROUGH THIS COUNT, BUT IT IS A
FALSE COUNT.
SO PART OF WHAT UNLOCK THE VOTE
LEGISLATION ASKS IS IT ASKS FOR
THE STATE OF WISCONSIN TO CHANGE
THE WAY THAT WE COUNT PEOPLE,
AND TO ACTUALLY COUNT PEOPLE
FROM THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY
HAVE TO RETURN TO WHEN THEY ARE
RELEASED VERSUS WHERE THEY ARE
PHYSICALLY LOCATED AT THIS
MOMENT.
>> JEROME, ONE STATISTIC
REPORTED BY THE "JOURNAL SENT
KNOLL" SAID IT IS EQUIVALENT TO
THE ADULT POPULATION OF A
TYPICAL ASSEMBLY DISTRICT.
DOES THIS POPULATION HAVE ANY
VOICE OR ABILITY FOR THEIR
INTEREST TO BE REPRESENTED IN
THAT DISTRICT?
>> FORTUNATELY, NO, WE DO NOT
HAVE ANY VOICE IN THOSE
DISTRICTS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN OUR
COMMUNITY, PAYING TAXES,
WORKING, TAKING CARE OF THEIR
FAMILIES, BUT YET STILL HAVE NO
SAY IN SCHOOL, WHO IS ON THE
CHILDREN'S SCHOOL BOARD, WHO
REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY THAT
THEY LIVE IN.
YOU KNOW, TAXATION WITHOUT
REPRESENTATION HAS BEEN MY PET
PEEVE.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE
STARTED UNLOCK THE VOTE CAMPAIGN
IN 2019 -- 2017, WE ACTUALLY
LOOKED AT IT, AND 2019, WE WERE
ABLE TO GET SOME LEGISLATION
WRITTEN ON THAT, BUT IT DID NOT
GET ANYWHERE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT
MANY INDIVIDUALS IN WISCONSIN
ARE ROUGHLY 47,000, BETWEEN
44,000 AND 47,000 INDIVIDUALS
UNDER THE CONTROL OF COMMUNITY
CORRECTIONS IN WISCONSIN, AND AS
LONG AS YOU'RE ON SUPERVISION,
PAROLE, OR PROBATION, YOU CANNOT
CAST A BALLOT.
YOU HAVE NOT GAINED YOUR
CITIZENSHIP, BUT THERE'S BEEN A
TREND AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE
WE ARE SEEING WHEN INDIVIDUALS
LEAVE CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES,
AUTOMATICALLY THEIR VOTING
RIGHTS ARE REINSTATED, AND OVER
THE YEARS, I'VE JUST SEEN STATE
AFTER STATE GRANT THESE RIGHTS,
AND, RECENTLY, WE JUST HAD THE
GOVERNOR OF IOWA, WHO DID AN
EXECUTIVE ORDER TO GET GRANT
VOTING RIGHTS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE PAYING TAXES, WHO ARE IN THE
COMMUNITY, AND TAKING CARE OF
THEIR FAMILIES, AND SO I THINK
IT IS A THE RIGHT THING TO DO,
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND WE
SHOULD NEVER LOSE OUR VOTING
RIGHTS, BUT WE ARE MAKING THAT
COMPROMISE TO SAY, LET US VOTE
ONCE WE ARE BACK IN THE
COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T THINK
THAT'S ASKING TOO MUCH, BUT I
KNOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
THEY HAVE NO SAY.
>> AND, JEROME, WHAT ABOUT THOSE
WHO SAY, WELL, SOMEONE IN PRISON
HAS FORFEITED THEIR RIGHT TO
VOTE, AND TECHNICALLY, THEY DO
HAVE REPRESENTATION IF THEY ARE
ABLE TO CONTACT THE
REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT DISTRICT
IS THAT ENOUGH OF AN ABILITY TO
CONNECT WITH A REPRESENTATIVE IN
THE AREA?
>> WELL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE HOUSED,
OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA
WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM?
YOU KNOW, THERE'S --
>> WHERE THEY ARE HOUSED.
>> THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE.
DOCTOR YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
NOUN WHATSOEVER.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU ARE SERVING
TIME IN DODGE COUNTY, WHICH HAS
SEVERAL PRISONS THERE, IT REALLY
BOOSTS NUMBERS OF COUNTY
RESIDENTS IN DODGE COUNTY
BECAUSE THEY HAVE FOUR ACTIVE
PRISONS IN THAT COUNTY.
YET, STILL, THEY CAN -- IF THEY
CONTACT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE
FROM ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA, THEY
ARE NOT GOING TO GET A RESPONSE.
THEY ARE LOOKED AT, BUT
PRISONERS, TEMPORARY RESIDENTS,
THEY COULD BE LOOKED AT FROM
MANY DIFFERENT VIEWS, BUT, NO,
THEY WILL NOT GET A RESPONSE.
WE HAVE NO SAY.
>> PEGGY, WHAT EFFECT DOES THIS
HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY FROM WHICH
THOSE WHO ARE INCARCERATED
ACTUALLY CALL THEIR HOME?
>> WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE
WERE LOSING REPRESENTATION, AND
SO IF YOU'RE NOT BEING COUNTED
WHERE YOU ARE FROM, THEN YOU --
YOUR REPRESENTATION STAYS WHERE
YOU WERE INCARCERATED, AND AS
JEROME JUST STATED, YOU KNOW, WE
HAVE VERY ABYSMAL DOESN'TS TO
GET A RESPONSE -- ABYSMAL
OPPORTUNITIES TO GET A RESPONSE
FROM OUR STATE SENATORS.
THEY HAVE HIRED SOMEONE TO
DIRECTLY IMPACT WORK IN HER
OFFICE, AND SHE RETURNS PHONE
CALLS.
SHE'S ONE OF THE ONLY STATE
REPRESENTATIVES THAT WE HAVE
HEARD OF WHO DO THIS, AND THEN,
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE LITERALLY IN
A SITUATION WHERE YOU COULD --
WE COULD LOSE CONGRESSIONAL
SEATS.
THE WAY THAT THE CONGRESSIONAL
MAPS ARE DRAWN IN WISCONSIN
LEAVES A LOT TO QUESTION HOW
EXACTLY THAT HAPPENS, BUT IF YOU
TAKE A LOOK, AGAIN, YOU HAVE
MILWAUKEE, WHICH IS THE
LARGEST -- THE ECONOMIC ENGINE
OF THE STATE, BUT YET WE HAVE
THE SMALLEST CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT, AND THEN YOU TAKE A
LOOK AT THE OTHER PLACES IN THE
STATE WHERE THERE ARE PRISONS,
AND THEIR DISTRICTS ARE MUCH
LARGER, AND, YOU KNOW, IT BEGS
TO QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HOW DID
THIS HAPPEN?
AND, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER, PART
OF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION
IS, IS THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING
COUNTED IN PLACES THAT THEY DO
NOT LIVE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE TERRIBLE IF WE
WERE NOT -- THEY WERE NOT
BENEFITING FROM BEING COUNTED IN
THE DISTRICTS BOTH POLITICALLY
AND FINANCIALLY.
>> AND, SO, IS IT AN ISSUE OF
THE CENSUS NEEDS TO CHANGE WHAT
INFORMATION THEY ARE GATHERING?
DOES IT NEED TO SAY WHEREAS IF
YOU ARE INCARCERATED, WHERE IS
YOUR PERMANENT RESIDENCE?
WHAT IS THE LOCATION?
>> YES.
>> WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF YOUR
PRISON OR DOES IT HAVE TO COME
IN THE FORM OF MORE LEGISLATION
FROM THE STATE SIDE OF WHAT THEY
THEN DO WITH THE CENSUS DATA?
>> WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM COUNT
PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE
COUNTED.
AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IN THE STATE
OF WISCONSIN, YOU HAVE TO RETURN
TO THE DISTRICT THAT YOU WERE
CHARGED IN.
SO IT IS NOT AS IF SOMEONE HAS
THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY.
WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN THE
COMMUNITY, HAVE JOBS THERE, AND
THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STAY
THERE.
THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY THAT THEY COME FROM.
YET, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY
AND RESOURCES THAT COME FROM
THEM BEING COUNTED IN THAT
CENSUS STAY THERE.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE,
YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT
PROCESS CHANGED.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IT SET
IN STONE THROUGH SOME
LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
>> JEROME, HOW MUCH OF THIS
KINDS OF -- KIND OF ENDS UP
BEING A FEEDBACK LOOP?
THESE DISTRICTS LOSE
REPRESENTATION THAT COULD LEAD
TO REPRESENTATION IN THEIR
DISTRICTS AND ENACTING POLICIES,
OR IT COULD MEAN FUNDING, AND
THEN WE GO BACK TO WISCONSIN
HAVING SOME OF THE HIGHEST RATES
OF DISPARITIES IN MANY DIFFERENT
WAYS.
IS IT DIFFICULT WHEN LAWMAKERS
ARE IN CHARGE OF PASSING THESE
MAPS TO ACTUALLY MAKE ANY END
ROADS ON THIS ISSUE?
>> WELL, I FEEL THAT, NO,
THERE'S -- THEY REALLY DON'T
WANT TO MAKE ANY END ROADS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE
CENSUS IS TAKING EVERY TEN
YEARS.
SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THAT FOX LAKE
ARE DOING A CENSUS, DURING A
YEAR THEY TAKE THE CENSUS, I'LL
REMAIN ON THAT COUNT FOR THE
NEXT TEN YEARS, ALTHOUGH I,
THREE MONTHS LATER, I GET OUT,
AND I HEAD BACK TO MILWAUKEE OR
MADISON OR RACINE.
I AM STILL COUNTED AS A RESIDENT
FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS OF THAT
COUNTY.
SO, NO, YOU KNOW, DRAWING THE
MAPS AND EVERYTHING IS JUST
ANOTHER ADVANTAGE.
I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF
GERRYMANDERING.
THE COUNT ON INDIVIDUALS
INCARCERATED.
>> JEROME, WHAT DOES Z THIS MEAN
FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE THE
CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY AND
GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF REDRAWING
THESE MAPS WHERE ONE PERSON
EQUALS ONE VOTE?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WITH THE WAY
MAPS ARE DRAWN AND THE CENSUS
COUNTS THIS INFORMATION, THAT WE
ARE TRULY HAVING ONE PERSON
EQUALS ONE VOTE?
>> OH, WELL, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE
EVEN HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES, AGAIN, WHO ARE TAX
PAYING CITIZENS, WHO CANNOT
VOTE.
I THINK IT'S BEEN DESIGNED TO
IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES THIS WAY,
AND THERE'S NO WILL TO CHANGE
THINGS IN OUR STATE.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOTHING NEW.
YOU KNOW, I CAN RECALL, YOU
KNOW, GETTING OUT OF PRISON AND
SPENDING FIVE YEARS IN THE
COMMUNITY NOT FEELING THAT I WAS
A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE
SIMPLE FACT THAT I COULD NOT
CAST A BALLOT.
THAT BOTHERED ME.
AND I'VE SEEN INDIVIDUALS WHO
ARE ABLE TO CAST A BALLOT FOR
THE FIRST TIME, HOW THAT
REJUVENATES THEM AND FEEL THEY
ARE A PART OF SOMETHING.
OFTENTIMES, WE FEEL WE ARE NOT A
PART OF AMERICA BECAUSE WE HAVE
NO SAY.
WE HAVE NO VOTING RIGHTS.
WE HAVE NO SAY IN ANYTHING AS
FAR AS REPRESENTATION GOES, AND
I -- IT HAS TO CHANGE.
I FEEL THAT REHABILITATION,
BEING ABLE TO CAST A BALLOT,
GETTING YOUR VOTING RIGHTS BACK,
IT IS A HUGE PART OF THAT
REHABILITATION, THAT REENTRY
PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT THIS
IS AN UPHILL CLIMB, BUT WE'RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT AND
DEMAND THAT CITIZENS GET THEIR
RIGHTS TO VOTE BECAUSE WE ARE
CITIZENS.
>> PEGGY, AS JEROME MENTIONED
EARLIER, OTHER STATES HAVE MADE
MOVES TO CHANGE THIS CYCLE.
THIS HAS BEEN A PART OF HOW THE
CENSUS COUNTS PEOPLE FOR A VERY,
VERY LONG TIME.
IS YOUR ORGANIZATION LOOKING TO
GO THE ROUTE OF HOW OTHER STATES
HAVE ADDRESSED THIS?
WHAT ARE THE IMMEDIATE STEPS
THAT EXPO IS LOOKING TO TAKE?
>> WE HAVE LEGISLATION BEING
DRAFTED AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND
SO WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE
PUSHING THIS.
THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE DOING
A TON OF EDUCATION LETTING
PEOPLE KNOW SO THEY ARE AWARE OF
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE
THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT
COUNTED IN THE DISTRICTS THEY
LIVE IN, BUT INSTEAD THEY ARE
BEING COUNTED IN OTHER PLACES,
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S
HAPPENING AND CAN SUPPORT THE
LEGISLATION WHEN IT COMES UP.
WE'LL DEFINITELY CONTINUE.
WE HAVE A GOVERNOR'S ELECTION IN
2022, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY
CONTINUE HAVING, YOU KNOW,
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POWERS
THAT BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO
HAVE FAIR MAPS IN WISCONSIN, AND
THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HOLD ON TO
REPRESENTATION IN COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR.
WE ALL WANT TO HAVE
REPRESENTATION THAT LOOKS LIKE
US.
IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT,
WE HAVE TO FAIRLY BE COUNTED
PEOPLE WHERE THEY BELONG.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE,
JEROME DILLARD AND PEGGY
WEST-SCHRODER, THANK YOU BOTH
VERY, VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US
TODAY.
>> THANK YOU.
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