>>> WELCOME TO "NOON WEDNESDAY,"
I'M MARISA WOJCIK, MULL EVER
MULTIMEDIA JOURNALIST, AND TODAY
IS SEPTEMBER 29.
RECENTLY RELEASED ON POVERTY IN
THE PANDEMIC SHEDS LIGHT ON HOW
THE IMPACT OF SAFETY NET
PROGRAMS AND HOW SOME LAWMAKERS
ARE SHAPING FUTURE POLICIES.
JOINING ME TODAY TO DISCUSS THIS
FURTHER IS TAMARINE CORNELIUS,
RESEARCH ANALYST FOR CHILDREN'S
ADVOCACY NONPROFIT, KIDS
FORWARD, AND TAMARINE, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO, TO START, THE CENSUS
BUREAU REPORTS THAT EVEN DURING
THIS VOLATILE ECONOMIC TIME, THE
STIMULUS CHECKS, FOR EXAMPLE,
SENT TO PEOPLE DURING 2020
BROUGHT 11.7 MILLION PEOPLE OUT
OF POVERTY NATIONWIDE.
SO DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO IN
WISCONSIN?
>> SO THE CENSUS BUREAU JUST
RELEASED SOME NEW NUMBERS ON
POVERTY NATIONWIDE.
THIS PARTICULAR DATA RELEASE
DOESN'T HAVE GOOD STATEWIDE
NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF
THE SURVEY, BUT WE STILL KNOW
WHAT THE NATIONAL NUMBERS LOOK
LIKE, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO
THINK THAT WISCONSIN WOULD LOOK
DIFFERENT IN TRENDS THAN THE
NATIONAL TREND, AND SO THE
NATIONAL TREND IS THAT THE%
VIGOROUS AND EXTENSIVE
GOVERNMENT SUPPORT THAT WAS
PROVIDED IN 2020 TO CUSHION THE
WORST ECONOMIC EFFECTS OF THE
PANDEMIC MADE A REALLY
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN
PEOPLE'S LIVES AND WELL BEING.
WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW IS THAT
GOVERNMENT AIDE, INCLUDING
THINGS LIKE THE STIMULUS CHECKS
AND REFUNDABLE CREDITS AND SNAP
AND HOUSING ASSISTANCE, THEY
LIFTED 53 MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF
POVERTY LAST YEAR, AND, IN FACT,
WHEN YOU COUNT THESE TYPES OF
GOVERNMENT SUPPORT THAT WERE PUT
IN PLACE DURING THE PANDEMIC,
THE POVERTY RATE ACTUALLY
DECREASED FROM 2019 TO 2020.
IF YOU DON'T COUNT ALL OF THAT
AIDE, THEN THE POVERTY RATE
REALLY INCREASED, AND, YOU KNOW,
WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THAT
THESE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS
THAT THE GOVERNMENT MADE LIFTED
PEOPLE UP OUT OF POVERTY.
>> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS
TECHNICALLY THE NUMBERS DO SHOW,
IN SOME WAYS, THAT POVERTY
INCREASED, BUT THOSE RATES DON'T
REFLECT AIDE INCLUDED FROM THE
TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS
ENACTED IN THE WAKE OF THE
PANDEMIC, SO OVERALL, MILLIONS
WERE LIFTED OUT OF POVERTY WHEN
THOSE PROGRAMS WERE FACTORED IN,
IS THAT RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
THE OFFICIAL POVERTY MEASURE,
WHICH IS PRETTY FLAWED, IT
DOESN'T COUNT A LOT OF TYPES OF
GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE, AND SO IN
2020, THAT MEANT IT WAS, YOU
KNOW, ALMOST IRRELEVANT BECAUSE
IT DIDN'T -- IT -- OR LESS
RELEVANT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T COUNT
THESE VERY IMPORTANT LIFELINES
FOR FAMILIES, SO WHEN WE DO
INCLUDE THOSE, THERE'S AN
ALTERNATE WAYS OF MEASURING
POVERTY THAT INCLUDES THOSE, AND
WHEN WE DO INCLUDE THOSE, WE CAN
SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT
TRANSLATED, AND SO YOU MENTIONED
THAT BETWEEN 11 MILLION AND
12 MILLION PEOPLE WERE LIFTED
OUT OF POVERTY THROUGH THE
STIMULUS TAX, AND ANOTHER
5 MILLION TO 6 MILLION PEOPLE
LIFTED OUT OF POVERTY BASED ON
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, SO THOSE
POLICIES THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE
IN 2020 TRANSLATED INTO, YOU
KNOW, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DOING
BETTER LAST YEAR.
>> AND ADDITIONALLY, HUNGER DID
NOT RISE IN 2020, WHICH SOME SAY
IS ANOTHER MARKER.
SO ALL OF THIS SEEMS TO IMPLY
THAT THESE SHORT TERM SAFETY NET
PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE NOW
EXPIRING, WERE EFFECTIVE FOR
THEIR PURPOSES OF KEEPING THE
ECONOMY STABLE, SO NOW DEMOCRATS
IN CONGRESS ARE CURRENTLY TRYING
TO PASS PERMANENT VERSIONS OF
THESE PROGRAMS.
DO THESE PERMANENT PROGRAMS MAKE
SENSE GIVEN THAT EVEN JUST FOR
ONE YEAR, THEY HAD TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN PRICE TAGS?
>> LET ME ACTUALLY GO BACK ONE
SECOND FIRST AND THEN ANSWER
THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS THE
OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT
THESE POVERTY RATES IS THEY ARE
ONE ANNUAL FIGURE, AND THEY DO
NOT REFLECT THE ROLLERCOASTER OF
A YEAR THAT A LOT OF FAMILIES
HAD.
YOU KNOW, WAITING MAYBE MONTHS
TO SEE IF THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT
CHECKS WOULD CLEAR OR IF THEIR
STIMULUS CHECKS WERE GOING TO
COME.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE WAS NOT
HARDSHIP.
THERE WAS A LOT OF HARDSHIP IN
2020.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT EVEN
THOUGH THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORT
LIFTED A LOT OF FAMILIES OUT OF
POVERTY, WE STILL HAVE MUCH
HIGHER RATES OF POVERTY FOR
BLACK AND LATINO FAMILIES DUE TO
HISTORIC AND CURRENT
DISCRIMINATION IN OUR WORKPLACES
AND OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR
COMMUNITIES ALSO.
FOR THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, DOES
THE PRICE TAG MAKE SENSE?
IS IT WORTH IT, BASICALLY, AS WE
GO FORWARD, TO TRY TO MAKE SOME
OF THESE POLICIES PERMANENT.
SO I THINK THERE'S TWO ANSWERS
TO THAT.
ONE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE
LOOK FOR OFFSETS TO LOWER THE
COSTS?
SO IN THE BUILD BACK BETTER
PACKAGE, WHICH IS BEFORE
CONGRESS RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS
A PACKAGE OF INVESTMENTS IN THE
WORK FORCE AND IN OUR SCHOOLS
AND COMMUNITIES AND FAMILIES,
AND IT INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, A
LONG-TERM EXTENSION OF THE
EXPANDED CHILD TAX CREDIT THAT
MANY OF US ARE BENEFITING FROM
RIGHT NOW.
THAT PACKAGE WOULDN'T ADD TO THE
DEFICIT VERY MUCH, EVEN THOUGH
IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT, BECAUSE
IT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS THAT
REDUCE THE COSTS BY INCREASING
TAXES ON THE VERY WEALTH AND
PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS, ASKING
THEM TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE IN
TAXES.
THAT'S A WAY TO LOWER THE COST,
BUT I THINK THE BIGGER ANSWER TO
THE QUESTION, IS IT WORTH IT,
IS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE NOT DO
IT ALMOST?
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT GROWING --
THESE -- ESPECIALLY WHEN IT
COMES TO INVESTMENTS IN
CHILDREN.
IF A KID GROWS UP IN POVERTY,
THAT IS STRESSFUL, AND THAT
STRESS HAS LONG-TERM EFFECTS ON
THAT KID'S LIFE, AND IF WE MAKE
A TARGET INVESTMENT THAT LIFTS
THAT KID UP OUT OF POVERTY,
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF POSITIVE
BENEFITS THE KID IS MORE LIKELY
TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL,
GET BETTER GRADES, GO TO
COLLEGE, HOLD DOWN A BETTER
PAYING JOB AS AN ADULT, BE
HEALTHY, CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR
COMMUNITY IN OTHER WAYS, AND SO
WHEN WE SAY, "IS IT WORTH IT TO
MAKE THIS INVESTMENT," THE
INVESTMENT THAT WE MAKE,
ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN IN
LIFTING THEM UP OUT OF POVERTY,
IT REALLY HAS FABULOUS
LONG-TERM, POSITIVE RETURNS, AND
SO IF WE DON'T MAKE THAT, THEN
WE'RE REALLY CHEATING OURSELF
OUT OF A BETTER FUTURE.
>> AND THAT PART ABOUT TAXING
PEOPLE WHO ARE WEALTHIER, TAXING
CORPORATIONS, THAT IS
CONTROVERSIAL AND WHY MANY
CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS
ARE PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT
WAY OF BALANCING THAT BUDGET.
OVERALL, MEDIAN INCOME FELL AS
MANY JOBS WERE LOST.
REPUBLICANS, INCOMING WISCONSIN
LAWMAKERS, ARE ARGUING THAT
ECONOMIC AIDE AND EXTENSIONS OF
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, FOR
EXAMPLE, ARE DEINCENTIVIZING
PEOPLE FROM WORKING, INCLUDING
NOW, AND IS THAT TRUE, AND CAN
WE EXPECT INCOME LEVELS TO RISE
AS JOBS ARE COMING BACK?
>> SO WE HAVE A NATURAL
EXPERIMENT HERE BECAUSE SOME
STATES -- SO DURING THE PANDE
PANDEMIC, THERE WERE THREE WAYS
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXPANDED
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
NUMBER ONE, THEY PUT MORE IN
EACH CHECK SO YOU GOT MORE MONEY
IN YOUR POCKET.
THEY ADDED MORE WEEKS, LONGER
DURATION, AND THEY ALSO EXPANDED
THE TYPE OF WORKERS WHO COULD
GET UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
MANY -- SOME STATES ENDED THEIR
EXPANDED BENEFITS EARLY.
SO RESEARCHERS HAVE LOOKED AT
STATES THAT ENDED THEIR EXPANDED
BENEFITS EARLY AND STATES THAT
DIDN'T END THEIR EXPANDED
BENEFITS EARLY TO SEE WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IS IN TERMS OF
WHETHER IT MADE A SIGNIFICANT
DIFFERENCE IN THE LABOR FORCE,
AND IT MADE ONLY A SMALL
DIFFERENCE.
IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT -- IT
WAS NOT THE BIGGEST FACTOR.
SO I THINK THAT -- AND WE CAN
SEE THAT IN WISCONSIN BECAUSE
OUR EXPANDED BENEFITS HAVE ENDED
NOW AS WELL, AND WE'RE NOT -- I
DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY
TRANSLATING TO EMPLOYERS HAVING
AN EASIER TIME FINDING PEOPLE
RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT?
SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT
WE CAN DO TO HELP EASE THAT
PINCH.
I MEAN, ONE IS TO BEAT THE
PANDEMIC.
WE'RE STILL IN A PANDEMIC, AND
THERE'S STILL DANGEROUS JOBS
THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO.
ANOTHER THING IS TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE STRENGTHEN OUR CHILDCARE
SYSTEM BECAUSE A LOT OF
PEOPLE -- THE CHILDCARE SYSTEM
WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DISRUPTED
DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND IF
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CHILDCARE,
PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO WORK, AND
ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE,
LIKE, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEMS THAT CAN CONNECT PEOPLE
TO WORK.
IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OUR --
WHERE OUR INCOMES WILL BE
PROBABLY OVER TIME, I THINK THAT
IS STILL SHAKING OUT IN TERMS OF
WHAT THE RECOVERY OF THE
PANDEMIC IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
TO SOME EXTENT, YOU KNOW, THE
JOB LOSSES WERE AMONG LOWER PAID
WORKERS, AND THEY -- THOSE HAVE
BEEN A LITTLE SLOWER TO RECOVER,
AND SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF,
LIKE, A K-SHAPED RECOVERY
HAPPENING WHERE THE PEOPLE AT
THE TOP, INCOMES CONTINUE TO GO
UP, AND THE PEOPLE ON THE
BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT
MAKING THE SAME TYPE OF
RECOVERY, AND SO -- AND WITH SO
MUCH UNCERTAINTY STILL ABOUT
WHERE -- HOW THE PANDEMIC --
WHERE THE PANDEMIC IS GOING, I
DON'T THINK THERE'S A SOLID
ANSWER ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN
EXPECT PEOPLE'S INCOMES TO LOOK
LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
>> WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, IT WAS
ABOUT THE EXPANDED CHILD TAX
CREDIT UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE
PLAN, AND DEMOCRATS WANT TO MAKE
THAT PERMANENT.
THIS IS A POPULAR ADDITION TO
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, AND
REPEATEDLY, DEMOCRATS SAID THIS
WOULD LIFT CHILDREN OUT OF
POVERTY SIGNIFICANTLY, AND WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
NOT BEING ABLE TO GO BACK TO
WORK BECAUSE OF CHILDCARE ISSUES
OR BLACK AND LATINO POPULATIONS
BEING IMPACTED
DISPROPORTIONALLY, WOULD THINGS
LIKE AN EXPANDED CHILD TAX
CREDIT OR MORE SUPPORT FOR
CHILDREN MAKE A LONGER-TERM
IMPACT AND ALSO HELP PEOPLE MORE
AT THE BOTTOM LEVELS OF THE
INCOME SCALE?
>> THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS
WOULD HELP EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS
CHILDCARE, AND NEARLY EVERYONE
IS BENEFITING -- OR MANY PEOPLE
ARE BENEFITING FROM THE CHILD
TAX CREDIT EXPANSION.
IT ALSO ESPECIALLY HELPS PEOPLE
WITH LOWEST INCOMES.
THERE WAS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE
CHILD TAX CREDIT IN ADDITION TO
THE PART WHERE YOU ACTUALLY GET
THE CHECKS, THAT IT USED TO BE
THAT PEOPLE WITH THE LOWEST
INCOMES ACTUALLY DID NOT QUALIFY
FOR THE CHILD TAX CREDIT AT ALL,
AND SO -- AND THAT WAS CHANGED
AS PART OF THIS IMPROVEMENT, AND
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MAKE
THAT CHANGE PERMANENT, THEN WE
CAN HELP FAMILIES GET FOOD ON
THE TABLE, AND WHILE IT BENEFITS
EVERYBODY, IT ESPECIALLY
BENEFITS THOSE WHO NEED IT THE
MOST.
>> SO OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S
IN THE RECONCILIATION BILL, THIS
BUILDING BACK BETTER BILL, IT
DOES HAVE A LOT OF EXTREMELY
PROGRESSIVE POLICIES, WHICH IS
MAKING SOME MORE MODERATE
DEMOCRATS AND ESPECIALLY
CONSERVATIVES A LITTLE LESS
INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING OR
VOTING FOR IT.
IS SOMETHING LIKE SUPPORTING
EXPANDED CHILD TAX CREDIT OR
OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO
HELP CHILD CARE, CHILD
LONGEVITY, ARE THOSE THINGS A
LITTLE BIT MORE POLITICALLY
VIABLE?
>> WELL, THE BUILD BACK BETTER
IS DEFINITELY A BOLD MOVE,
RIGHT?
I MEAN, IT'S A BOLD, AMBITIOUS
PACKAGE.
YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL
OUT PIECES?
I MEAN, I HAVE NOT HEARD A LOT
OF REPUBLICAN SUPPORT FOR THIS
EXPANDED CHILD TAX CREDIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF PULLING THINGS
OUT WOULD REALLY BE A SUCCESSFUL
STRATEGY BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED
SUPPORT SO I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT
OF EFFORT TO DO THAT, AND I
DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD
WORK.
YEAH.
>> ALSO, IN THE CONGRESSIONAL
SIGHT LINE IS WAYS TO FILL GAP
FOR STATES THAT HAVE NOT
EXPANNED MEDICAID, AND THIS
INCLUDES WISCONSIN.
THERE'S 12 G.O.P. CONTROLLED
STATES THAT HAVE NOT EXPANDED
MEDICAID, AND SO THIS BILL WOULD
TRY TO BRIDGE THOSE GAPS WITH
MAYBE EXPANDING MEDICARE.
COULD THIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON
LONG-TERM RATES OF POVERTY?
>> WELL, IT COULD DEFINITELY
REDUCE HARDSHIP IN WISCONSIN AND
IN OTHER STATES THAT HAVE AN
EXPANDED MEDICAID.
SO CONGRESS IS LOOKING AT
CREATING A FEDERALLY RUN
MEDICAID-LIKE INSURANCE PROGRAM
THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN STATES
THAT HAVEN'T EXPANDED MEDICAID
COULD ACCESS.
THAT'S STATES LIKE WISCONSIN,
WHICH DESPITE BILLIONS IN
FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND ALSO
THE ABILITY TO GIVE MORE PEOPLE
ACCESS TO HEALTH INSURANCE, HAVE
DECLINED THAT OPTION.
WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD DO
WOULD GIVE PEOPLE WHO, THROUGH
THE ACTIONS OF THE STATE
LEGISLATURE, HAVE BEEN DENIED
ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE, QUALITY
INSURANCE A NEW ROUTE TO GET
THERE, AND THAT COULD HELP
THEIR, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC WELL
BEING BY REDUCING MEDICAL COSTS
BY JUST GIVING THEM BETTER
ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.
>> AND IN THE MIDST OF A
PANDEMIC, HAVE WE LEARNED ABOUT
HOW MUCH THAT IS NEEDED GIVEN
GREATER NEED FOR ACCESS TO
HEALTHCARE?
>> RIGHT.
I THINK THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW,
SHOWED THE LIMITATIONS OF A LOT
OF OUR SYSTEMS, INCLUDING OUR
HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS SO THAT YOU
HAD TO BE WORKING, OR FOR MANY
PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING
TO GET ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.
THAT'S THE PRIMARY WAY PEOPLE
GET ACCESS TO HEALTH INSURANCE,
AND IF YOU'RE NOT WORKING, THEN
THAT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO GET
ACCESS TO THAT.
AND, ALSO, OUR LACK OF PAID
LEAVE, ALTHOUGH WE TEMPORARILY
HAD PAID LEAVE DURING THE
PANDEMIC, BUT LACK OF PERMANENT
PAID LEAVE, SO WHEN PEOPLE WERE
OUT OF WORK BECAUSE THEY HAD
COVID OR, YOU KNOW, CARING FOR
SOMEBODY WITH COVID, WITHOUT A
PERMANENT PAID LEAVE, YOU KNOW,
POLICY IN PLACE, THOSE PEOPLE
RISK LOSING THEIR JOBS AND RISK
FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AS WELL.
>> SO WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT
THE DATA, AND AS A RESEARCH
ANALYST WHEN YOU LOOK AT MORE
DATA THAT WILL BE COMING, IN
TERMS OF TRENDS AND HOW THIS
WILL ILLUMINATE POLICY CHOICES
AND POLICY APPROACHES, WHAT ARE
YOU SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR,
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KIND OF
CONSIDER THE VERY UNIQUE TIME OF
THE PANDEMIC AND WAYS IT HAS
SHOWED US HOW THESE SYSTEMS
INTERACT WITH DIFFERENT
CIRCUMSTANCES?
>> WELL, THE PANDEMIC THROUGHOUT
THE DATA COLLECTION PROCESSES
TIMELINE FOR THESE SURVEYS FOR
THE CENSUS BUREAU, SO THAT'S A
LITTLE OUT OF WHACK.
HOPEFULLY, TEMPORARILY, BUT I
THINK THAT WE'LL KNOW -- WE'LL
HAVE WISCONSIN SPECIFIC FIGURES,
HOPEFULLY, LATER THIS FALL,
WHICH WE USUALLY GET RIGHT NOW,
SO THAT WILL -- THAT COULD SHOW
US WHAT -- HOW WISCONSIN IS
FAIRING, AND THEN I THINK
ANOTHER THING TO KEEP AN EYE ON
IS THE CHANGES IN WELL BEING FOR
BLACK AND LATINO AND NATIVE
AMERICAN AND WHITE AND ASIAN
FAMILIES COMPARED TO EACH OTHER
SO WE CAN BE SURE AS WE PUT
POLICIES INTO PLACE, IT IS
GETTING TO WHO NEEDS IT THE
MOST.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN HELP
EVERYBODY, BUT MAKE SURE WE ARE
ALSO TARGETED, AND THEN THE
OTHER THING IS THAT WE -- THE
CHILD TAX CREDIT REALLY HAS BEEN
AN ENORMOUS SUCCESS IN LIFTING
KIDS OUT OF POVERTY, AND IN
WISCONSIN ALONE, WE LIFTED MORE
THAN 40,000 KIDS OUT OF POVERTY,
AND SO THAT'S MORE -- YOU COULD
FILL EVERY SEAT IN AMERICAN
FAMILY FIELD AND MORE WITH THE
NUMBER OF KIDS LIFTED OUT OF
POVERTY IN WISCONSIN,
TEMPORARILY, AND SO, YOU KNOW,
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT
INFORMATION?
THAT WE TEMPORARILY MADE A
REALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN
THE LIVES OF THESE CHILDREN AND
THESE FAMILIES THAT'S VERY
POSITIVE, BUT THAT CHANGE IS
GOING TO END, AND HOW DO WE TAKE
THAT INFORMATION AND USE IT TO
SHAPE OUR FUTURE POLICIES?
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE.
TAMARINE CORNELIUS OF KIDS
FORWARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
>> THANKS.
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