to Milwaukee. Host city for the Republican National Convention.
This is a special presentation of Here and Now, 2024 election
coverage. We're coming to you live from Panther Arena media
row in downtown Milwaukee. I'm Zach Schultz, senior political
reporter for here and Now. And I am joined yet again. Bill
McCoshen Scot Ross, thank you again for coming back. It is day
four. ale. Yeah.
>> All right. Last night, day three. Usually the night. How do
you think JD Vance did introducing himself to a new
audience to watch him for the first time.
>> He's, I think he did. Well, he's not a rah rah speaker. He
gave his back story. Very matter of fact, some today have called
it workmanlike. I would agree with that, his job was to
connect with working people and people who think that their
government has forgotten about them. And I think he did an
excellent job last night. His position will be clearly a Big
Ten candidate. He's to go after Pennsylvania, Michigan and
sconsin. I think most of your viewers know the Penn State, the
Big Ten now runs from New York City all the way to Washington,
the state of Washington and California. So, I think he's
going to add to the ticket. He's going to have to continue to
introduce himself. Folks don't know him, even if they've read
Hillbilly Elegy or seen the movie. Last night was their
first real chance to get to hear him speak, and I think the next
110 days will prove whether or not he's going to add or not.
>> So is this a the further reinvention of JD Vance, because
his story has changed in his time in the public's eye?
>> Yeah, I mean, you know, the fact is and first I just want to
say the University of Pittsburgh, my alma mater, is in
that band and we're in the ACC, the what I saw last night was a
guy who should have been introducing himself to the to
the country, and instead he spent the first third of his
speech basically apologizing for Donald for his talk about Donald
Trump, the over and over kissing up to Trump. But I guess that's
what Trump wants. And, you know, once in a vice president, you
know, I joked that, you know, Trump's the big dog. And JD
Vance rolled over, sat, fetched and spoke.
>> So one thing that struck me is whether this speech could
have been delivered at a Republican National Convention.
Two decades ago. No chance. Because attacking NAFTA,
attacking the Iraq War, I mean, does he expect that most people
in the building were probably cheering for George W Bush in
2000 and 2004, and he's the one that well, he didn't pass NAFTA.
That was Clinton, but in Republicans but also brought us
into the Iraq war, >> surprisingly, the party has
changed quite a bit in the last 20 years. The people in the
building responded phenomenally well to JD Vance last night, and
mmonitors, responded reasonably
the party has changed those who
attended the convention 20 years ago, there's probably a lot
fewer of them than one might expect, you know, I went to a
convention 20 years ago and Houston, Texas, in 1992, and I
think the party has changed. I think it's more welcoming to
working people and to the middle class. And I think that's a good
thing. We're not we're not the country club Republicans
ymore. It's more of the meat and potatoes working class
party. o talking
about NAFTA, I mean, how much of this is a complete reinvention
is fair in this political party in this era?
>> I mean, you know, again, truth went out the window, you
know, in 2015 when Donald Trump went down the escalator in his
hotel. The fact is, the Republican Party has never been
more anti-union, anti-worker. And they got a guy who's, you
know, lipstick on a pig, basically, because this guy, you
know, has been an ardent, you know, in the year he's been in
elected office, he's been always supporting of the Republicans
anti-union stuff. The guys who financed him, Peter Thiel, the
billionaire who put $15 million into his Senate race, is one of
the most rabid anti-union people in the country. And in fact,
unions are what made Peter Thiel say he doesn't necessarily think
democracy is going to work anymore. So it is complete
fabrication. When they get out on the trail, it's very clear
Democrats stand up for working families. Republicans are in the
pocket of the billionaires, which is why they gave $2
trillion in tax cuts to rich people. And corporations with
the first Trump tax cuts, and now they're promising $5
trillion more that our viewers are all going to be paying for.
>> Let's not forget, Donald Trump ran against NAFTA in 2016
and he won. And working people understand what NAFTA is. They
were sold a bill of goods back in the early 90s that somehow
this was going to be good for them. It wasn't good for them.
Donald Trump renegotiated a dea. It's now called the Canada
Mexico Agreement, which is far better for working people in the
United States. But there's more work to be done. And Trump is
already talking about that, whether it's China thinking
about opening a auto manufacturing plant in Mexico,
We're going to put tariffs onk.
those cars. If you if you try and take those jobs away from
our people. So, this is an American America First party.
It's an America First agenda, and the party has changed
changed dramatically. And I think that's one of the reasons
they're doing so well. >> Ironically, in 2016, Russ
Feingold also was talking about NAFTA. And that didn't help him
in the fall, even though it helped Donald Trump.
>> Right. Well, Feingold lost in ten, but he also ran again in
16. >> That's true, you know, I
think people believe something different would happen with
NAFTA 20 years ago, including your former boss, Ron Kind. It
was a bipartisan agreement to do it at the end of the day, it did
ship jobs overseas. >> So one of the other issues
that came up a lot last night was immigration. We saw posters
that were handed out by the Trump campaign that said mass
deportation. That's also a different interesting stance to
see at a Republican National Convention to see in the public
spotlight, because those aren't words that most political
parties wanted to be connected to in the past.
>> Yeah, I mean, it's repellent, you know, it is the worst. It is
the worst in our politic. You know, we are all human beings.
And we had a guy on stage last night with, with, you know, the,
the governor from, from Texas who, you know, who was who, you
know, literally put razor wire in the, in the, in the Rio
Grande, which caused the deaths of children. Like, that's just
beyond, you know, and the rhetoric has continued again.
Build the wall, build the wall. Mexico is going to pay for it.
You know, that was eight years ago. Still don't have a wall.
Good Mexico is certainly not paying for it. They told us, you
know, to go pound salt. >> Greg Abbott may be the most
responsible and individual for making immigration a national
issue. You had cities like New York City, Chicago, San
Francisco who are sanctuary cities. He started bussing
migrants there. All of a sudden, their position started to change
right when they were busting at the seams with migrants. They
didn't care when they were in Texas or Arizona. Once they were
on their doorstep, things started to change. So I give
Greg Abbott a lot of credit for making this a national issue.
>> When are people going to make a connection, though, between
immigration as a policy issue about border versus the economy?
Because just yesterday I was walking by and there was one of
the big hospitality party tents set up for Republicans right
outside the Fiserv was being torn down by a group of Hispanic
laborers, and they provide a lot of the work that goes completely
unnoticed by the majority of Americans. And many of them are
not here legally doing this work for lower wages. That is what's
needed to produce our economy. >> Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I
mean, you know, the hypocrisy knows no bounds. And again, when
you're talking about human beings, you know, just the use
of the term illegal, for instance, nobody is illegal. You
know, nobody's illegal. They're human beings. And we have to
have a rational and reasonable immigration policy because
immigrants have built America immigrant. You know, I mean,
we're a country of immigrants, you know, we a lot of us, you
know, if we're not Native American, weren't born. You
know, our ancestors came here. So it is incredibly important
that we're, you know, cognizant of the fact of the impact of
immigrants on our on our economy and that we're standing up for
them, and not that grotesque display yesterday.
is something that is a campaign issue but won't be a
policy issue in your eyes? Once we get in? If Trump makes it
back into office, no, it'll be a policy, no question about that.
>> Trump's been very clear that he will deport you know,
migrants mass deportation illegally.
e a mass deportation.
en out in the same hide and seek kind of
thing. He says that publicly. >> Are the people ready to
actually see that as opposed to see it on a sign board or talk
about it? eading in all
the national polls, and he's leading in all the seven swing
points. So it appears that
people are responding to what he has to say.
>> One other thing about J.D. Vance and the issue of
immigration. We were introduced to his wife last night, who he
met at Yale. She is for everyone who doesn't know. She was born
in the United States, but she is of Indian descent, and it was
just a couple days ago that a lot of Trump supporters found
out for the first time that J.D. Vance's wife is not a white
woman, and Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist who has dined with
Donald Trump, went on his show and talked about how can J.D.
Vance define white Christian nationalism when he's not
married to a white woman? Is that an internal conflict the
Republican Party has to deal with, or is that just something
that gets shoved aside? >> No. And we probably will get
to this at some point today. But this whole project 2025, Chris
Lacivita, the campaign manager, was interviewed by Politico
today on a panel. He got asked about that and he said it was
BS. That's not our platform. Our platform is agenda 47. I would
say the same thing about this. There are people that may have
different views than Donald Trump about this issue. Donald
Trump has no issue about Usha, Vance. And I thought she was
extremely eloquent last night, very impressive. And I think a
lot of female voters across the country are going to relate to
her. whether
why is it that these white nationalists are attracted to
the Republican Party and not the Democratic Party? Is that
something we should be looking at more closely?
>> I think it's something we should. Democrats should be very
proud of. You know, the fact that, you know, we're not
attracting that sort of I mean, again, remember Trump's speech
when he came down June 2015 about rapists and immigrants?
It's just disgusting. And it's normally the problem with it is
it keeps normalizing because of the echo chambers, which exist,
you know, amongst a lot of media outlets. And we're in the midst
of a bunch here that the fact that you can act as though
hating other people because of who they are, you know, whether
it's immigrants, whether it's you know, LGBT, trans, I mean,
we know how much anti-trans stuff has gone on in the
Republican Party in the last year. And a half. Our school
boards are inundated with the moms for Liberty who want to ban
books. You know, particularly here in Wisconsin, where 481
books have been banned since this movement started. And so my
point is this racism has no place in politics. It certainly
has no place in the Democratic Party. And I hope that one day
it won't have any place in the Republican Party.
Trump has made this the most welcoming party in my
lifetime. >> And the optics show that from
the stage. But what about the policy that is being proposed by
the politicians? is policy will match
his rhetoric and people will be. Does he have a track record of
having his policy match his rhetoric when he can get it done
right? I mean, at the end of the day, you still have a Congress.
You have to get things done. Sadly, our presidents can do too
much with executive order, and I say that to either party. I
don't agree with that part of the system, and I'm sure
there'll be executive orders on day one, when Donald Trump's in
in place. But if Republicans get both houses of the Congress,
which if the election were today, they would, I think
they'll pass his agenda. >> Republicans had control of
the Congress with Donald Trump in in the white House for two
years. They passed a $2 trillion tax cut for rich people and
corporations. You know, and just back to the project, 2025 thing,
240 people are affiliated with the Trump campaign, who are also
affiliated with the creation of project 2025.
ioned polling just a little while ago, and there
was an Emerson poll that WisPolitics reported about that
showed Trump up. But to me, the more interesting thing was that
53% of people polled said they want Joe Biden out of the race,
but 45% of people said they want Trump out of the race as well.
Is that is it? You think it's that accurate that that much
that higher percentage of people just want a whole new slate of
candidates? can't always
give what you want. I mean, as of today, if you try sometimes
we have Trump's theme song, we have, binary choice, you know,
beef or chicken? Beef being Donald Trump, chicken being Joe
Biden. You can order dessert if you want, but you're going to go
to bed hungry. You're not getting it. So these are the
choices we have today. I think, Zach, that you opened up a
bigger topic, which is the disarray on the Democratic side.
We now have reports this morning that former President Barack
Obama is asking Joe Biden to reconsider whether or not he's
the strongest candidate for the Democrats. This is this is
unbelievable. We are 110 days from a general election. We have
never in our lifetime or in the history of this great country,
seen a party who claims to be for democracy, pushing their guy
over the cliff with 110 days to go karts on democracy that it is
air quotes on democracy because this party will not be able to
say for the next 110 days, if they short 14 million Democratic
voters and take away their voice, and they do a backroom
deal to push Joe Biden out of the way and replace him with
somebody else, they will never be able to talk about democracy
again. we will
do. We're going to make sure that we have the best candidate
to defeat Donald Trump and defeat Republicans in the fall.
And the one thing we won't do if things don't go our way is storm
the capital. You know, cause the death of five law enforcement
officers and injure 140 others while trying to overrun, undo
the results of a democratically decided election, which top
Republicans were involved in, including our Congressman Derek
Van Orton. And top to bottom, Trump has said he's going to
pardon them if he gets in there. So people who broke the law,
that's a change of position. >> Yesterday he said Biden's the
nominee today he's not ruling out a backroom deal to push him
over the side. >> So is it I mean, if this is
the backroom deal, because everything in politics is a
backroom deal, there's no such thing as just stepping down.
>> They are publicly humiliating this man who spent 55 years in
public life. He knows that. And he holds that also includes
Republicans, no, it doesn't think they want him out. I think
the Democrats want him out. We'll take him. We'll take,
Harris doesn't matter to us. Doesn't matter to us. But the
notion that they set up this process to protect him from any
primary opponents. And now realize after they chose to have
an early debate, that that was the biggest campaign mistake in
the past 248 years in the United States of America. Now they're
trying to get rid of the guy that's not democracy, that's
influence peddling. >> So how much of this got comes
from pressure from the media and Democrats in higher positions,
being pressured and feeling that pressure, then therefore
pressuring Biden versus a groundswell that's legitimate
from the people? >> I mean, the thing that I
can't understand is, you know, Democrats get to vote and they
get to choose a candidate. And I don't understand why they
suddenly can't do that. You know, this these are tough
times. They did these are imaries. These are tough times
for the for the for the president, that's for sure. And
again, you know, layer on, layer on layer on yesterday, Covid
these are challenging times. The best thing that Democrats have
going for us is that the country has lived through a Donald Trump
administration, and it was a disaster top to bottom. We lost
3 million jobs under Biden. We gained 16 million. Under Biden,
we gained 21 million more people got health care. We had, you
know, infrastructure here in here in the state of Wisconsin,
$7 billion in infrastructure. You know that all Republicans
opposed you know so that's where you know, that's where I that's
where I come down on this I come down on this as the people know
what the record is of both of both of these candidates, they
intently know what the record is. And they're going to choose
the side that both stands up for them and has results. And it's
the Democrats. >> Your viewers will get this.
This is like a wedding. Democrats sent out the
invitations. They paid the deposits Joe Biden was going to
be they were going to marry Joe Biden. Now they are leaving him
at the altar and they have no answer as to where this goes
next. My advice to Democrats is be careful what you wish for,
right? This could turn out a lot worse than going with Joe Biden.
>> I am for sure going to let the Republican Party, you know,
whose top guy you know has three spouses and you know, was
convicted of 34 felonies related to hush money illegally paid to
a star. He had sex with while his third wife was recovering
from her having his fifth child. I will let the Republicans talk
about marriage for sure. >> Let's talk about Trump,
because that is the keynote for tonight. He is the final speaker
according to the schedule, he's listed for an hour and a half.
Are we going to get sharks and batteries, or are we going to
get unity? >> Trump I think we're going to
get unity, but we'll see. Right. There's got to be some a few
razor blades in there. It's Donald Trump, right. And the
party loves that. So he has said that he rewrote the speech, that
it'll be more about uniting the party and the country. I expect
that to be the case mostly. But will there be some sharp barbs
in there? Sure. You know, and that's when the place will
explode. I think that Donald Trump's going to blow the roof
off the Fiserv forum tonight, and I'm looking forward to it.
>> I mean, listen, they promised unity. And by the second
speaker, on day one, they had broken that promise, you know,
what are the themes for them? The themes are you know, make
America wealthy again. Well, their plan is $5 trillion in tax
cuts for rich people, including Diane Hendricks, who's speaking
tonight, the everyday American. >> We'll get to that.
>> We'll get to that. They want a safe, but they assault
democracy. They attack our rights. They want to undo the
Constitution. And they want one man, Donald Trump, to be above
the law. And then the third thing is they want us to be
strong and they want us to be strong by capitulating to
Vladimir Putin and doing what he wants, which both Donald Trump
and JD Vance will do if they are in power.
>> So the unity thing to me seemed to the on the first day
it was unity for America. But by that first night or the second
day, for sure, it was unity within the GOP. Do you think
that's more important for Donald Trump than unity for America?
No. the
GOP. I've never seen anything like it now. Now, I think the
next challenge is uniting America. And honestly, if I were
giving him advice, you know, sort of that stretch goal, that
thing you might not want to say I'd, I'd tonight consider saying
I'll pardon Joe Biden on day one for what crime. Crimes that, the
business dealings with his son Hunter. I would say tonight that
we're going to put partisan differences behind us and I'm
going to pardon Joe Biden on day one.
>> Do you think Donald Trump pardons himself in his children
before he pardons Joe Biden? No I don't think it'll be necessar.
Why is that? upreme Court
changed the law to make him immune from prosecution because
it's corrupt. >> Yeah. And I think the hush
money case is going to go away in September.
already seen Miami being thrown out, but it's being
appealed. There's still other cases that are pending appeal.
Yeah. But you think he won't even need to pardon himself I
don't I don't. >> Trump promised he would be a
dictator on day one. And you are seeing the foundation for that
being laid. >> So one of the other things
that we heard a number of speakers this week say is
talking kind of the 2016 version of Donald Trump. If he didn't
have to run, he didn't have to run. Well, there were a lot of
people saying he did need to run to avoid prison, to avoid
prosecution. In some of these cases. Is that fair to say? He
didn't need to run, that he could just, you know, safely
retire in golf. All he wanted to.
>> Yeah. Do you think all of these things would have happened
if he hadn't run? I mean, do you think he would have some of
these cases started years ago? >> Oh, no.
>> These cases all happened in the last 18 months. They had
three years or in some cases, the one in New York that goes
all the way back to 2016. And they had to do some mental
gymnastics just to overcome the statute of limitations on that.
So these things have been sitting around cold cases for a
very long time. They all came together in the last 18, 24
months. So he did not need to do any of this.
cold cases, why wouldn't they get them
prosecuted early? So then he because they had a convicted
felon, he could. >> So the FEC, for example, on
the stupid case in New York said there is no crime here. So Alvin
Bragg had to make some some unbelievable mental gymnastics
and then convince a jury of Trump haters that he was guilty
of it. >> Will the convictions matter
in the fall? Even if they are thrown out? Will people still be
thinking of them? It will. Democrats, moderates,
ndents, those who are not already attracted to Donald
Trump in that way. >> I think swing voters don't
want somebody in the white House who has 34 felonies. As simple
as that. You know, it is as simple as that. Talk about
crime. And you got a guy who's got 34 felonies and would be
facing prison if not for a Supreme Court, where he put, you
know, half of the members who decided to allow him to have a
lifetime immunity, get out of jail, free card.
>> One of the things that's been overlooked in my opinion, is
foreign policy. We have not heard very much other than J.D.
Vance saying he now opposes the Iraq war, that talking about
Ukraine, talking about Putin, even talking too much about
Israel and their their war in the Gaza Strip, does that need
to be brought up tonight? Do you think Donald Trump will address
that? are huge
differences on the Israel issue with Gaza, on the Ukraine issue.
Absolutely. I think Donald Trump's going to show the
differences between his vision and whomever the Democrats
ultimately nominate as their party, because at the end of the
day, Democrats agree on Biden's agenda. So it really doesn't
matter if he's the guy or not. >> Yeah, I think when it comes
down, I think when it comes down to it is we know that Donald
Trump has been in the pocket of Vladimir Putin. You know,
there's no doubt about it. And the fact is, is that Democrats
under Joe Biden and his leadership have charted a path
that respects foreign policy that allows us to be respected
in the world again, that allows us to be respected in the world
again. You know, and the reason that we're in this mess is
because Donald Trump can't say no to attention. That's why he's
running commander in chief, who can't even stay awake long
enough to go to meetings with German Chancellor.
. This is we are not. There was video on the first day
of Donald Trump nodding off at the RNC.
>> I know you don't understand that, but he was praying.
>> Yeah. I'm sorry. >> There were a lot of camera
shots of him praying. Then >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> And in the courtroom, a lot of praying. A lot of praying.
>> So what is your thought then on Ukraine? Because it was
Biden, whether he was awake or not, Biden is the one who got
all the aid passed that is allowed Ukraine to fight back
against Vladimir Putin in Russia. Does that continue under
Trump, who has been very cozy with Vladimir Putin in the past?
>> I would say, there's going to need to be some answers for all
the money that's going to Ukraine. Where is that money
going? How is it being used? I mean, that's where our party is
today. There are deeply concerned about, blank checks,
for foreign wars. Donald Trump didn't start to get us into any
conflict. He got us out of conflict. Joe Biden's got us in
at least two right now, possibly more coming. So, I would say
Zelensky is going to have to explain how he's using that
money. I think the United States will do their part. There's no
question in my mind we'll continue to be a leader in NATO,
but Donald Trump is going to force those other countries to
pay their fair share. >> You know, I think this is
where the influence of the vice presidential pick comes in on
this, because there has not been a bigger champion for getting
out of, you know, for us, taking our assistance away from Ukraine
than J.D. Vance. You know, he's been at the top tip of the spear
on that, like he's been with abortion, you know, which is,
you know, which is remains a top issue in this election. He's the
most extreme when it comes to that issue of anybody who's ever
been on a national ticket. You know, he wants a national
abortion ban. He wants women to be second class citizens and if
Donald Trump is reelected with this guy, that's what's going to
happen. We're going to have a nationwide abortion ban.
>> Is sticking with foreign policy, though.
r to say that Donald Trump is an isolationist? Are we
reverting back? Is that where the populist message is in
America? t to take
care of our people first. You can call that isolationist if
you want, or you can call it a leader for the people in this
country. I mean, at the end of the day, some have said since
Saturday that the Secret Service budget, is too low. They don't
have enough resources. Now, why then are we sending money to
Ukraine instead of taking care of something as important as
that here in the in the United States? Why is our education
system, especially in urban areas, falling apart when we're
sending all this foreign aid away? I mean, yeah, there are
priorities. ublicans in
Congress that want to send more federal dollars to local
schools. No I don't
think they want more federal dollars. I think they view
education as a as a local issue. >> But education then wouldn't
be competing with federal reign aid.
>> Well, it does though. There are. Whether it's the student
loan forgiveness. That's $160 billion. Whose money did that
come. Where did that come from? Right. It came from came it came
from the same place that the $867 billion in PPE loans that
were forgiven. >> Let me just say this forgave
loans for doctors and lawyers. Let me just say this. The you
know, when you're talking about, not being able to finance the
Secret Service, which I heard the same thing, I think, I think
people are talking about the fact that this is a this is a
challenge with the Secret Service sunset, the $2 trillion
in tax cuts for the rich that Trump wants to extend to five, 5
trillion or make it a priority. >> How can it not be a priority?
Right. Let's do a little prioritization of the federal
budget be a good idea? >> Speaking of Secret Service,
President Biden did authorize Secret Service protection for
RFK Jr, who was the third party candidate. What is his impact?
If anything, in this race in November?
>> Well, he's financed by Republicans. He's supposed to be
a spoiler in in states. But I think Democrats and swing voters
are a little smarter than RFK Jr. You know, they support
vaccines. And I think that they'll not support RFK.
>> I think his impact is less and less every day. I think
after he chose his running mate, who I can't even name, I know
it's a female from California. His campaign sort of ended, he's
still out there. He's still polls at 6 to 10, depending on
the state. But I think over the next 110 days, he'll have less
of an impact. >> I mean, we've seen
historically that third party candidates do pull well over the
spring and the summer and up to the conventions, and then they
end up getting, at best, 2 to 3% going back to 2016.
>> The third, which was enough in Wisconsin. Jill Stein getting
2% was enough to prohibit Hillary Clinton from winning
here. Jr. We saw
the phone call that he had with Donald Trump. Do you think he
is? >> Guys leaked?
t of a Republican plot to try and know who does he
take voters from? >> the polling would say both
the polling would say both maybe, one and a half to one for
Joe Biden versus Trump. >> But he, the polling says it's
fairly even any other third party candidates that we need to
think about. are more on the
ballot this time than in 2020. The green Party has one.
>> There's some other names out there we're interested in who
the Democrat nominee is going to be.
hat first.
. Let the coup finish.
e Democratic side, we have a candidate.
>> Right now. It is the president of the United States
who's been incredibly successful. He's done the job.
If he is, if he wins in November, he'll do the job great
as well. We know what we got with Donald Trump.
>> All right. There is one other topic you guys already teased,
and that is Diane Hendricks giving a speaking slot. She's
not in prime time, for those that don't know, she is, the
owner of ABC supply. She is a billionaire from Beloit. She is
listed as an everyday American, and I've already I know what
your response is, Scott, to her being listed as that, but
doesn't she deserve a bigger title than that? Because she's a
very successful businesswoman and an entrepreneur and a
philanthropist? >> I think she'll talk about
that tonight and her story literally is they her and her
husband Ken, her late husband, Ken started with nothing and
they the story as the story goes, they couldn't get a loan
from a bank in for any from any bank in Janesville. They
ultimately got a loan from a bank in in Beloit. And which is
why ABC supply is in Beloit and why Diane is invested so much in
revitalizing that city over the last 20 years. But they had they
had nothing. They literally had nothing. Ken, out of high school
degree, I believe she did at the time, too. She's now got
advanced degrees, but she's now one of the richest women in the
world. So that is a true American story that you can
start from zero and be this mega success. I think it's great and
deeply connected to Wisconsin Republican politics.
>> Yep. Absolutely, absolutely. >> And Bill has said something
correct. She is one of the richest women in the world.
She's the richest woman in Wisconsin. And what has she done
with that money? She is Scott Walker's biggest donor. Simple.
We also know you know, again, when we're talking about like
the Republican outreach to labor, you know, she was the
architect of Walker's takeover or his dropping the bomb on
unions. We knew from the leaked video where she he talked to her
about divide and conquer. That led not only to the canceling of
union rights for public employees, but then with right
to work of private sector employees. And then the last
thing is, you know, the last thing and this is, you know, she
and the two billionaire lines spend about 30 to $40 million
for Ron Johnson in racist ads to put Ron Johnson back in office
after he publicly extorted a tax break out of the Trump tax cuts
that benefited himself. And those three, I don't know, it
was an S Corp C Corp, I'm not. But it was that.
>> But she uses her money, to make her voice heard. No doubt
about that. And thankfully for us, it's on the conservative
side. pact that
George Soros on your side. That the impact that any everyday
American would have. ight. We have just a
couple of seconds left. Give me your quick wrap up of what you
are hoping to hear from tonight. >> Well, first of all, I want to
get a t shirt that says mama on it, which is J.D. Vance's
grandma. I thought that those stories were phenomenal, I want
to hear Donald Trump give his vision for the next four years.
That's what I'm looking forward to. Whether it takes him 60 or
80 or 90 minutes to get all the way through it, we couldn't be
more excited. My whole family is going to be here tonight, and,
should be an awesome night for the Republican Party and for the
state of Wisconsin. >> What are you listening for?
most concerned of is that heI'm
would be as aggressive as he has been out on the campaign trail
and say those things. They're not just false, but incendiary.
You know, certainly some of the calls for violence that he's
done, I don't want to see that it has no place in politics. We
talked about that on Monday. So I'm going to be looking for
that. I'm going to be looking for what's he saying? And, you
know, will any of these dog whistles that he, you know, does
to the to the white nationalists be actual, you know, loud
calling card. >> Bill Scott, thank you for the
week. It's been a pleasure. Really appreciated having you
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