need to go. >> Finally, tonight, we end with
an excerpt of an interview. Special projects journalist Murv
Seymour conducted with the famed white House photographer Pete
Souza. Souza lived in Madison following his time covering the
Obama administration, and was back in Wisconsin when he sat
down in our studio for this in Focus with Murv Seymour
interview. >> This is this is the day of
the bin laden raid, and this would have been when, Seal
team was making the raid on bin Laden's.
>> You've got the most powerful people in the
executive branch of our government decision makers
in that room. But for those 40 minutes, they were, there
was nothing they could do to affect the outcome. Right? It
was completely up to those guys on the ground when you're
framing this photograph, are you thinking, I'm going to take a
photograph that shows how powerless, powerless they are, I
mean, I guess I wasn't inherently thinking that thought
at the time. What I was thinking is, what's what's what's the
mood that I, I see in front of me? What's and trying to trying
to capture that in a single frame.
period of time, or is that just a moment in that space, no. That
that that mood lasted for the I think the entire 40 minutes
we were in that room. And so when I'm going through my
photographs, trying to choose the best one,
obviously photography in many ways is subjective
medium, right. But it was, I think initially myself and a
photo editor. We zeroed in on maybe four frames from the 40
minutes in this room, and we just try to compare one to
another. Tries like, which do you think is the best? And this
just seemed to work the best, the way everybody's faces, sort
of expressed what I felt. I think what they all felt.
>> Yeah. Next photo here. I think this gets into the
transition, what was that like for you in terms of not, not
just a different president coming in, but for your, you
know, position to kind of I was concerned that the country had
voted this guy in, you know, I didn't feel he understood what
it meant to respect the office of the presidency, and so I've
got to kind of put those feelings aside. But I'm also a
human being. And so, I, you know, I tried to, as best I
could, take the high road as President Obama had taken by
inviting him to the white House two days after the election,
because he wanted to try to like, you know, calm people down
as best he could. But it was very unsettling feeling for me
that this is the guy that was going to succeed Barack Obama,
and this we didn't make this picture public, but I thought it
was a good picture to include in my book as, you know, not having
to necessarily show his face. You know who that is? Just by
looking at him? >> What's he peeking? What?
>> So this is just, there's a little hallway, off the Oval
Office that leads into the private dining room. And to the
left is like what's called the presidential study, which
President Obama hardly ever used. That little room. So it
had mostly mementos in there. There was a little desk with a
computer, but it was mostly pictures of the family on the
wall. And it was a picture of Thurgood Marshall on the wall.
And he was just giving President Obama actually inside the study.
And he's just showing, the president elect, you know, the
study, the dining room. And so this was on their little tour.
>> So President Obama is actually doing the tour. Yeah,
yeah. >> Now, what's this one here?
>> And then this is on January 20th, 2017, I'm inside the
helicopter tour just before President Obama and Michelle
board the helicopter, and he's saying goodbye to, to now,
President Trump. This would have President Trump. This would have