>> LAST WEEK, WE TALKED WITH WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN SENATOR RON
JOHNSON, WHO TOLD US HE WAS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO BIPARTISAN
IMMIGRATION REFORM MEASURES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN A BILL TO FUND
EMERGENCY AID TO UKRAINE AND ISRAEL.
THAT BILL ULTIMATELY TANKED IN THE SENATE.
THE AID FUNDING WAS SEPARATED OUT AND JOHNSON ALSO VOTED
AGAINST THAT. THIS WEEK, WE HEAR FROM
DEMOCRATIC U.S. REPRESENTATIVE GWEN MOORE FROM MILWAUKEE FOR
HER TAKE ON ALL OF THIS. CONGRESSWOMAN, THANK YOU FOR
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> SO AT THIS TIME, AS YOU WELL
KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN CALLED TO THE HOUSE FLOOR, BUT WHAT IS
YOUR POSITION ON THE 95-BILLION-DOLLAR EMERGENCY AID
BILL PASSED OUT OF THE U.S. SENATE?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT WAS GIFT WRAPPED REPUBLICAN BILL, IN
MY OPINION. MANY OF THE IMMIGRATION REFORM
ADVOCATES WERE OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE IT WAS VERY, VERY
STRIDENT. ENFORCEMENT.
IT GAVE THE PRESIDENT -- NOT JUST PRESIDENT BIDEN, BUT ANY
PRESIDENT, A GREAT DEAL OF ENFORCEMENT POWERS, THE ABILITY
TO SHUT THE BORDER DOWN COMPLETELY AFTER 5,000 FOLKS HAD
CROSSED DURING -- IN A DAY'S PERIOD OF TIME AND KEEP IT SHUT
DOWN. IT LIMITED ASYLUM CLAIMS,
PROHIBITED PEOPLE FROM SEEKING ASYLUM A THIRD TIME, AND IT
SEEMED TO REALLY DISREGARD THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN, WHICH I
THOUGHT WAS QUITE DISTURBING. AND YET, IT WAS A BILL THAT
PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID HE WAS WILLING TO SIGN.
IT ALSO REENGAGED THE UNITED STATES IN THE MEXICO -- STAY IN
MEXICO POLICY, AND IT WAS A GIFT.
HAD WANTED IN THEIR HR2 BILL, AND YET THEY REFUSED TO MOVE IT
FORWARD. MORE ABOUT THAT IN A BIT, BUT I
ALSO WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THE EMERGENCY AID BILL THAT
WOULD GIVE $95 BILLION TO UKRAINE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND ISRAEL
AND HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA. WHAT ABOUT THIS MATTER OF GIVING
THIS FUNDING TO UKRAINE AT THIS TIME?
>> SO I THINK THAT WHAT'S REALLY AT STAKE IS PRESERVING DEMOCRACY
IN EUROPE. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO FUND THE INITIATIVES IN UKRAINE.
THEY'RE NOT A N.A.T.O. PARTNER SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOOTS ON
THE GROUND. AND THE LEAST WE COULD DO IS TO
PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT AID. I JUST DON'T GET IT, WHY SENATOR
JOHNSON DOES NOT SEE THAT, DOES NOT LEAN INTO THAT.
IT'S VERY PUZZLING. >> WHAT ABOUT --
>> YOU KNOW, AND TODAY, WE JUST HAD THE RUSSIAN OPPOSITION
LEADER DIE. WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT
DURING THE BREAK. IT'S HARD TO DIE OF NATURAL
CAUSES WHEN YOU'RE 47 YEARS OLD. >> INDEED.
WHAT ABOUT GIVING MONEY TO ISRAEL AT THIS TIME?
WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON THAT? >> OH, I THINK IT WAS PART OF
THE LARGER PACKAGE. THERE WERE DEFENSIVE WEAPONRY
THERE. ISRAEL IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR
AND IT'S BEING ATTACKED ON ALL SIDES OF ITS BORDERS BY THE
HOUTHIS AND HEZBOLLAH AND ISIS, AS WELL AS HAMAS.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DENY YOUR ALLY
ASSISTANCE AND AID WHILE THEY'RE AT WAR.
BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT INK JOE BIDEN HAS REALLY INDICATED
VERY CLEARLY THAT HE WANTS BENJAMIN NETANYAHU TO SORT OF
LISTEN TO OUR COUNSEL A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND IF WE PROVIDE THEM
WITH WEAPONS, THEY OUGHT TO BE USED DEFENSIVELY AND THAT WE
OUGHT TO BE MORE STRATEGIC IN SEEKING OUT HAMAS MILITANTS AS
OPPOSED TO CARPET BOMBING THE ENTIRE POPULATION.
YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION IS VERY DIRE.
BEEN FORCED INTO THE SOUTHERN PART OF ISRAEL.
RAFAH, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE CAN FIGURE -- SEE THE MAP IN
THEIR MIND, BUT THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO EXCEPT THE SINAI
DESERT. CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR -- SAYING
THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY RETREAT FROM THE THAT THEY HAVE HAD WITH
ISRAEL. I'M VERY DISTURBED THAT THIS HAS
TURNED INTO A REGIONAL WAR AND VERY, VERY CONCERNED, AS WE ALL
OUGHT TO BE. SO I DO THINK THAT ISRAEL IS OUR
ALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE OUR FRIENDSHIP FOR
GRANTED. VERY, VERY CLOSE TO SAYING THE
QUIET PART OUT LOUD, THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO START
CONDITIONING OUR SUPPORT BECAUSE THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REVENGE
CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE GAZA PEOPLE.
>> TURNING BACK DOMESTIC, CONGRESSWOMAN.
CONGRESSMAN FROM WISCONSIN, MIKE GALLAGHER, VOTED AGAINST THE
IMPEACHMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY MAYORKAS, AS DID YOU.
WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT ON HIS HOUSE IMPEACHMENT, THE SECRETARY'S?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, ON T.V., I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT I WOULD
LIKE TO SAY, BUT I THINK MIKE GALLAGHER'S VOTE REALLY IS
INDICATIVE OF THE PRESSURE THAT ALL OF REPUBLICANS ARE
EXPERIENCING TO DO WHAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS THEM TO DO, AND MIKE
GALLAGHER IS SOMEONE WHO APPARENTLY HAS AMBITIONS BEYOND
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECIDED TO JUST TAKE AN EXIT.
HE VOTED AGAINST THE BIG LIE IN NOT CERTIFYING THE ELECTION.
I NOTED THAT EARLIER IN THE 118th CONGRESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S THOUGHTFUL AND HE HAS COURAGE AND I THINK
THAT IT DEMONSTRATES THAT GREAT COWARDICE THAT WE'RE
EXPERIENCING HERE IN THE HOUSE. >> ALL RIGHT.
GWEN MOORE, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR GWEN MOORE, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR