THE BOMB SHELTER. I'M ADITI DEBNATH FOR "HERE &
NOW.">> IT'S A YEAR OUT FRO M THE 2024
GENERAL ELECTIONS AND WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE SHOWING
SIGNS OF INCREASED SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP, BUT ALSO FOR NIKKI
HALEY. THE LATEST MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY
POLL TOOK THE POLITICAL PULSE OF THE STATE ELECTORATE.
CHARLES FRANKLIN IS HERE TO TELL US ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
WITH THIS WEEK'S REPUBLICAN DEBATE AND DONALD TRUMP'S HIGHLY
VISIBLE COURT CASES, VOTERS HAVE THEIR EYES ON THE PRESIDENTIAL
RACE.IN YOUR POLL THAT WAS IN THE
FIELD LAST WEEK, IT SHOWS THAT BIDEN TOPS TRUMP BY TWO POINTS
RIGHT NOW IN WISCONSIN, BUT IF TRUMP WERE OUT OF THE MIX,
INTERESTINGLY, IT SHOWS THAT RON DeSANTIS TOPS JOE BIDEN BY 2
POINTS AND THEN EVEN MORE INTERESTINGLY, IT SHOWS THAT
NIKKI HALEY TOPS BIDEN BY NINE POINTS.SO WHAT IS THAT ABOU
T IN A STATE AND IN ALL THE STATES WHERE
TRUMP HAS THIS HUGE LEAD AGAINST BOTH THOSE PEOPLE?
>> WELL, IN THE PRIMARY, TRUMP'S LEAD IS HUGE, IT'S 20 POINTS IN
OUR POLL THIS TIME FOR REPUBLICANS, BUT THE TWO-POINT
MARGINS FOR TRUMP OR FOR DESCENDANTS, MARGIN OF ERROR IS
FOUR POINTS, SO THOSE ARE TOSS-UPS, BUT YOU CAN SAY
DESCENDANTS IS DOING A LITTLE BETTER THAN TRUMP DOES WHEN
PAIRED AGAINST BIDEN. WHAT'S INTERESTING, AS YOU SAY,
IS THE NIKKI HALEY PERFORMANCE, PLUS NINE LEAD FOR HER, THAT'S
PHENOMENAL AND NOT REALISTIC IF WE WERE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
BUT WHAT WE SEE IN THE DATA IS, FIRST, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE
PUBLIC SAY THEY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT NIKKI HALEY.
AND WHEN SHE'S PAIRED AGAINST BIDEN, I THINK THAT LACK OF
KNOWLEDGE AND THE FACT THAT SHE'S IN THE CLOSELY IDENTIFIED
WITH THE TRUMP WING OF THE PARTY, ALLOWS INDEPENDENTS AND
SOME DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT BIDEN FOR
VARIOUS REASONS, THE ECONOMY, HIS AGE AND SO ON, IT ALLOWS
THEM TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD VOTE FOR THAT REPUBLICAN WHO IS NOT
FROM THE TRUMP-Y WING OF THE PARTY.
CONVERSELY, PEOPLE'S OPINIONS OF TRUMP AND BIDEN ARE SO SET IN
STONE THAT WE "DUP" WITH THIS NEAR TIE THERE AND, INDEED,
INDEPENDENTS SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN TRUMP AND BIDEN, BUT
INDEPENDENTS GIVE 58% OF THEIR VOTE TO NIKKI HALEY.
>> SO COULD YOU HAVE CONCEIVED A RACE WHERE THE FRONTRUNNER, THAT
BEING DONALD TRUMP, JUST DOESN'T DO DEBATES, NOT TO MENTION HE'S
UNDER INDICTMENT AND IS STILL GAINING IN THE POLLS?
>> YEAH. HIS HOLD ON THE PARTY IS VERY
STRONG TO BEGIN WITH, BUT NOT AS STRONG AS MAYBE MYTH WOULD HAVE
IT. WE FIND ABOUT 70% OF REPUBLICANS
WITH A FAVORABLE VIEW OF TRUMP AND ABOUT 30 WITH AN UNFAVORABLE
VIEW OF HIM AMONG REPUBLICANS. THAT 30% ALMOST NONE OF THEM
SUPPORT TRUMP IN THE PRIMARY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T COALESCED
AROUND ANYBODY ELSE. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR,
DESCENDANTS WAS ACTUALLY DRAWING ABOUT 30% OF THE VOTE AMONG
PEOPLE WHO LIKED TRUMP, AMONG REPUBLICANS WHO LIKED TRUMP, BUT
THAT HAS PLUMMETED SINCE THEN. SO THE PRO-TRUMP WING OF THE
PARTY REALLY HAS COALESCED AROUND HIM AND ABANDONED
THINKING ABOUT DESCENDANTS, BUT NONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES
HAVE REALLY COALESCED THAT 30% OR SO THAT DON'T LIKE TRUMP, AND
SO IT'S SCATTERED BETWEEN DESCENDANTS AND HAYLEY AND VERY
SMALL PERCENTAGES FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR SURVEY FOUND IN THE STATE
OF WISCONSIN. POLL SHOWS THAT TONY EVERS IS
RIGHT SIDE UP WITH APPROVAL RATINGS WHILE THE LEGISLATURE IS
WAY UPSIDE DOWN, AND THE STATE SUPREME COURT IS ALSO ENJOYING
SOME FIRM APPROVAL. WHAT DO THESE NUMBERS TELL YOU?
>> TONY EVERS FELL JUST BELOW 50% APPROVAL BEFORE HE WAS
RE-ELECTED LAST NOVEMBER. HE BUMPED UP IN JUNE AND HAS
COME DOWN ABOUT THREE POINTS NOW, BUT HE'S A NET POSITIVE.
THE LEGISLATURE, ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN WE LAST ASKED, WHICH
WAS BACK IN 2022, HAD BEEN PRETTY CLOSE TO EVEN, SO THEY
SEEMED TO HAVE SLIPPED CONSIDERABLY IN THE MEANTIME AND
WE HAVEN'T ASKED ABOUT THE STATE SUPREME COURT BEFORE, THIS IS
OUR FIRST TIME, THEY'RE AT 51% APPROVAL, WHICH IS FINE, BUT,
YOU KNOW, THE COURT WILL BE IN THE NEWS IN COMING MONTHS AND
WE'LL SEE HOW THE PUBLIC REACTS TO THAT AS THE COURT BECOMES
MORE VISIBLE IN THE NEWS. >> I FOUND YOUR SURVEY RESULTS
ON THE REDISTRICTING INTERESTING.YOUR POLL SHOWS
THAT 51% WANT TO KEEP THE CURRENT MAPS UNTIL
2031. NOW, THOSE MAPS ARE THE OBJECT
OF SO MUCH VOCAL DISFAVOR. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE
RESULTS? >> TWO THINGS.
FIRST, WE DID NOT MENTION GERRYMANDERING OR PARTISAN
DISTRICTING IN THE QUESTION. THAT WAS DELIBERATE.
WE WANT TO KNOW, IF YOU JUST DESCRIBE THE SITUATION BEFORE
THE COURT AND WHAT THE OPTION OF PUTTING OFF REDISTRICTING UNTIL
2031 IS, WHAT DO PEOPLE RESPOND TO THAT?
HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT? WHEN WE'VE PREVIOUSLY ASKED
ABOUT NON-PARTISAN SAN REDISTRICTING A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO, IT WAS VERY POPULAR, AND SO THE POINT HERE IS REPUBLICANS,
ABOUT 75%, SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO REDISTRICT.
ABOUT 72% OF DEMOCRATS SAY THEY DO.
INDEPENDENTS, A LITTLE MORE DON'T.BUT THE MESSAGING ON
REDISTRICTING SIMPLY HAS NOT PENETRATED TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT
WITH A NEUTRAL QUESTION, THEY AUTOMATICALLY THINK OF IT IN
TERMS OF PARTISANSHIP AND GERRYMANDERING. IF THEY DI
D, WE'D PROBABLY SEE MORE REPUBLICAN OPPOSED, BUT
WE'D ALSO SEE MORE DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS OPPOSED.
THAT MESSAGING JUST HASN'T GOTTEN THROUGH YET.
>> WE HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE WITH A BIG TOPIC THAT IS
ABORTION. DOES THIS TOPIC CONTINUE TO SAY
RESONANT?>> I THINK IT DOES .
WHAT WE SEE IS ABOUT 57% FAVOR ABORTION RIGHTS, ABOUT 35
OPPOSED. THAT'S THE DEEP PARTISAN DIVIDE
AND ALSO THE PARTY DIVIDE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE.