>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION. >> POLLS ALLOW DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
ABUSERS TO ACCESS FIREARMS AND A BIPARTISAN PUSH AND PULL ENDS IN
A DEAL TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BREWERS STADIUM.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG. TONIGHT ON "HERE & NOW,"
CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN MOORE ON THE LETHAL CONNECTION BETWEEN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND GUNS. THEN, WE CONTINUE REPORTING ON
WISCONSIN FAMILIES WITH CLOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE WAR IN GAZA.
THE SENATE MINORITY LEADER DISCUSSES GETTING THE BREWERS
STADIUM FUNDING TO HOME PLATE. AND THE LAST IN OUR SERIES,
WISCONSIN IN BLACK AND WHITE. IT'S "HERE & NOW" FOR NOVEMBER
17. >> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS
JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS WISCOVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
ONSIN.
>> THIS WEEK, WISCONSIN ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH KAUL ANNOUNCED HE
IS GOING AFTER A LOOPHOLE IN STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE
CONVICTED OF DISORDERLY CONDUCT INVOLVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO
POSSESS A FIREMEN. >> THE DATA IS -- POSSESS A
FIREARM. >> THE DATA IS CLEAR WHEN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND ACCESS TO FIREARMS ARE LINKED, THE
DANGEROUSNESS OF THE SITUATION DECREASES DRAMATICALLY.
IN SOME INSTANCES, ACCESS TO A FIREARM CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN WHETHER A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE RESULTS IN
SOMEBODY'S DEATH OR NOT. >> MEANWHILE, THE U.S. SUPREME
COURT IS NOW CONSIDERING THE CASE OF A TEXAS MAN WHO ARGUED
HIS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED BECAUSE A 1994 FEDERAL
LAW PROHIBITED HIM FROM HAVING A GUN AS THE SUBJECT OF A DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE RESTRAINING ORDER. AS THE COURT WAS POISED TO HEAR
THE CASE, WISCONSIN U.S. REPRESENTATIVE GWEN MOORE
INTRODUCED A RESOLUTION IN CONGRESS CALLING ATTENTION TO
THE, QUOTE, RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN FIREARM VIOLENCE,
MISOGYNY, AND FROM ACCESSING GUNS.
REPRESENTATIVE MOOR JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON.
CONGRESSWOMAN MOORE, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> OH. IT IS SO WONDERFUL ALWAYS TO BE
WITH YOU, FREDERICA. >> SO YOUR RESOLUTION SAYS
LEGISLATION IS NEEDED TO PREVENT INDIVIDUALS WITH A HISTORY OF
VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN FROM PURCHASING OR POSSESSING A
FIREARM. >> WELL, WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW
IN THE SUPREME COURT A DECISION THAT WAS MADE AT THE LOWER
COURT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT A
YEAR FROM NOW TO SEE WHAT THE COURT DOES.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE REALLY PREEMPTIVE NOW SO THAT THERE
WON'T BE ANY GAP IN SUPPORT OR SERVICES. I MEAN, FOR 20 YEA
RS OR MORE, IT'S SORT OF BEEN THE LAW OF THE
LAND THAT IF PEOPLE GO OUT AND GET RESTRAINING ORDERS, IF
THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
THAT YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE ACTUALLY
PULLS THE TRIGGER, AND WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, FIREARMS IS THE,
YOU KNOW, 88, ALMOST 90% OF THE CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE SITUATION, THAT THOSE INTERVENTIONS CAN BE MADE,
BECAUSE WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY LAPSE IN THE
ABILITY FOR THE COURT TO DENY, YOU KNOW, A GUN TO A KNOWN
BATTERER, AND SO WE THINK THAT THIS -- THIS CIRCUIT COURT
DECISION COULD CREATE A LOT OF CONFUSION AND REALLY PUT WOMEN'S
LIVES AT RISK. SO WE DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY
TIME TO WASTE. >> SO THIS IS PERSONAL FOR YOU
AND YOU EXPRESSED THAT IN INTRODUCING YOUR RESOLUTION.
WHAT HAPPENED THAT DRIVES YOU? >> WELL, FREDERICA, YOU KNOW,
I'M 72 YEARS OLD, SO I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, AND, YOU
KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN MY EARLY 20s, LONG BEFORE THERE WAS THE
VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT, LONG BEFORE THERE WERE ANY HOT LINES
TO CALL OR ANYTHING, A THEN BOYFRIEND PULLED A GUN OUT TO MY
HEAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, WAS TOO SASSY OR WHATEVER,
AND THREATENED TO SHOOT ME AND I, BEING VERY FOOLISH, YOU KNOW,
TOLD HIM, JUST GO ON AND SHOOT IT OR EAT IT, YOU KNOW, AND SO
HE JUST SAID I WAS CRAZY, WHICH I PROBABLY WAS BECAUSE HE COULD
HAVE SHOT AND KILLED ME. BUT I GUESS I'M GRATEFUL THAT HE
DIDN'T, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON LUCK,
BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY WOMEN WHO ARE NOT LUCKY.
THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BY END ABUSE WISCONSIN THAT I FOUND
VERY, VERY DISTRESSING, TO BE FRANK WITH YOU.
WE HAD SEEN A DECLINE IN DOMESTIC ABUSE, THANKS TO THE
WORK OF A LOT OF AGENCIES ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, BUT IN THE
LAST -- LAST YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE UPTICK AND IN 2021, 2022,
WE SAW A HUGE UPTICK IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND PARTICULARLY WITH
THE USE OF GUNS IN WISCONSIN. WE'VE SEEN A DISPARATE IMPACT IN
MINORITY COMMUNITIES. WITH REGARD TO THE SPLIT BETWEEN
URBAN AND RURAL COMMUNITIES, IT'S JUST ABOUT HALF-AND-HALF.
SO IT'S NOT JUST AN URBAN PROBLEM; AS IT'S A RURAL PROBLE,
AND, OF COURSE, THE VICTIMS DISPROPORTIONATELY SEEM TO BE
WOMEN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PRETEND
THAT IT'S NOT A SOCIAL PROBLEM THAT WOMEN, CHILDREN, OTHER
FAMILY MEMBERS, THAT ARE NEARBY AREN'T AFFECTED BY THIS SCOURGE
AND THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE UPTICK IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. >> THOSE ARE EXTREMELY ALARMING
STATISTICS, AS YOU POINT OUT. WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT, THOUGH,
TO KIND OF TRANSLATE THOSE STATISTICS INTO MEANINGFUL
PROTECTIVE POLICY. >> WELL, FREDERICA, QUITE
FRANKLY, I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, THE
QUOTE/UNQUOTE SECOND AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR
VALUE FOR LIFE, BY FAR. THESE HOMICIDES OCCUR BECAUSE
THERE'S AN AVAILABLE FIREARM. >> WHAT IS THE CONNECTION
BETWEEN MISOGYNY, VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN, AND FIREARM
VIOLENCE, EVEN THE INCREASE IN MASS SHOOTINGS?
>> LET ME TAKE THAT LAST PART FIRST. IT WAS STUNNING TO M
E TO LEARN THAT MANY OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS
THAT WE SEE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAD PRIOR BEHAVIOR AS DOMESTIC
ABUSERS. SO, YOU KNOW, SURPRISE,
SURPRISE. HERE'S A MASS KILLER, BUT THEY
HAD BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN ENGAGED IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
BEFORE THE ACT OF BEING A MASS KILLER, SO THERE'S VERY CLEARLY
A CONNECTION. AND, OF COURSE, MISOGYNY, ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED DURING COVID, WHEN WE HAD ALL OF THESE
COMMERCIALS SAYING "YOU'RE SAFER AT HOME," IS WHEN WE STARTED
SEEING REALLY A HUGE UPTICK IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND I REALLY
HAD TO COME OUT AND SAY, MY GOD, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE
NOT SAFER AT HOME. BUT I THINK WHAT REALLY
CONTRIBUTES TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS THE PRESENCE OF A
GUN. >> CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN MOORE, WE
LEAVE IT THERE. THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. BE WELL.
>> TURNING TO INTERNATIONAL NEWS, IT'S NOW MORE THAN FIVE
WEEKS SINCE THE HAMAS TERRORIST ATTACK ON ISRAEL.
WITH THE DEATH TOLL IN GAZA TOPPING 11,000 AND GROWING.
"HERE & NOW" REPORTER ADITI DEBNATH CONTINUES THAT REPORTING
ON HOW THE ESCALATING WAR CONTINUES TO TORMENT THESE
WISCONSIN FAMILIES. >> THERE ARE NO POSITIVE WAYS TO
SPIN WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> I JUST WANT THIS THING TO BE
END. >> THIS WISCONSINITES HAVE CLOSE
TEXAS CITY TO THE WAR. LIKE HAMA, A NATIVE OF GAZA,
WHOSE FAMILY THERE DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS TO TELL HER IF
THEY'RE ALIVE. FOR NOW, PICTURES OF HER FAMILY
ARE ALL SHE AND HER MOTHER HAVE. >> SHE JUST HAVE OUR HOUSE WITH
US AND THE CRYING. THAT'S THE ONLY THING SHE'S
DOING RIGHT NOW. >> HAMA RECENTLY APPLIED FOR
U.S. CITIZEN AND FEARS PALESTINIAN BACKLASH IF SHE
SPEAKS TO THE MEDIA. SHE ALSO WORRIES THAT HER FAMILY
IN GAZA WILL BE TARGETED. >> I HAVE ZERO HOPE TO SEE THEM
AGAIN. >> THIS WAR IS IN A DECADES-LONG
CONFLICT. SHE FEARED FOR HER FAMILY IN
2014 ALSO. >> THAT WAR, I LOST MY AUNT
FAMILY, EIGHT PEOPLE DIED, KILLED IN THAT ONE.
>> WHO LIVE UNDER THE CONSTANT THREAT OF MISSILE ATTACKS AND
DEATH. >> THE FATE OF ALL PEOPLE IN
GAZA AND ISRAEL READS RABBI BET SID FORESTER TO PRAY FOR THEM
MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. >> TO HOLD IT TOGETHER I BELIEVE
IS WHAT MY JOB IS. >> BUT IT WAS HARDER FOR HER TO
HOLD IT TOGETHER WHEN HER HUSBAND, SCOTT, WAS IN ISRAEL
WITH THEIR DAUGHTER, AND ISRAEL DECLARED WAR.
>> I FELT VERY HELPLESS HERE. >> SCOTT IS BACK HOME NOW BUT
STILL UNSETTLED. >> EVERYBODY IS WALKING AROUND
WITH A CLOUD HANGING, YOU KNOW, A CLOUD OF UNCERTAINTY.
>> FOLLOWING HAMAS' ATTACK KILLING AN ESTIMATED 1,200
ISRAELIS, THE UNRELENTING RETALIATION BY ISRAEL HAS SO FAR
KILLED MORE THAN 11,000 PEOPLE IN THE GAZA STRIP, AND THAT
NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW DAILY. UW-MADISON PROFESSOR SAMER
ALATOUT, IS A NATIVE OF PALESTINE AND A GEOPOLITICAL
EXPERT OF THE REGION. HE SAYS AT ISSUE IS ZIONISM.
THE MOVEMENT TO ESTABLISH A JEWISH NATION ON PALESTINIAN
LAND. >> THE PEOPLE WHO PAID THE PRICE
FOR THE ZIONIST PROJECT ARE THE PALESTINIANS, AND THEY PAID A
HEAVY PRICE. >> THAT HEAVY PRICE IS WHAT
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL DEEMS APARTHEID.
DECADES OF ISRAELI LAWS AND POLICIES DESIGNED TO, QUOTE,
MAINTAIN A CRUEL SYSTEM OF CONTROL OVER PALESTINIANS.
EVEN IN ISRAEL, MOST CITIZENS DON'T SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT'S
LEADERS, ACCORDING TO A STUDY BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER.
>> SO IT'S A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TIME TO BE AN ISRAELI.
>> MARC KORNBLATT LIVED IN MADISON FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS
BEFORE HE AND HIS WIFE MOVED TO ISRAEL IN 2019.
NOW IN TEL AVIV, HE SAYS MOST ISRAELIS DO SUPPORT PALESTINIAN
LIBERATION. >> I'VE NOT BECO ME MORE
ZIONISTIC OR MORE RIGHT WING OR MORE RELIGIOUS.
I'VE BECOME MORE JEWISH. >> KORNBLATT SAYS IT'S IMPORTANT
TO SHOW HIS COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE NOT ALONE.
HE VOLUNTEERS AT A CLOTHING DONATION CENTER AND PARTICIPATES
IN A CITIZEN PATROL. >> I WOULD RATHER IS THE VITAL
LIFE THAT I HAVE HERE WHERE I MIGHT MAKE A SMALL DIFFERENCE,
THAN THE QUIET LIFE THAT I COULD CHOOSE BY LEAVING.
>> KORNBLATT SAYS THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IS A SMALL ONE.
.2% OF THE WORLD POPULATION, ACCORDING TO PEW, AND MANY OF
HIS NEIGHBORS KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN TORTURED OR KILLED
NOTICES WAR. >> ONE OF THE BIG CALLS THAT
COMES OUT TO THE PLACE WHERE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE
DONATED CLOTHES IS FOR SOCIAL WORKERS, TO BE ABLE TO SIT WITH
PEOPLE AND LET THEM TRY AND BREATHE AND TALK.
>> OVER IN GAZA, A WISCONSIN MAN'S SISTER WAS KILLED IN A
BOMBARDMENT WHILE AT A MARKETPLACE THERE SOON AFTER THE
OCTOBER 7th ATTACK. SHE WAS A PALESTINIAN SOCIAL
WORKER AND HER BROTHER, MOHAMMED HAMAD, LIVES IN BROOKFIELD.
>> AND SHE WORKED ALL HER LIFE. HER KIDS ARE GOING THROUGH
TRAUMA. >> HAMAD SAYS HE'S LIVED THROUGH
NUMEROUS WARS AND HOPES FOR AN IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE.
BETSY SAYS THE CURRENT WAR IS ONLY SETTING PALESTINIAN
LIBERATION BACK. >> LARGE SWATHS OF THE ISRAELI
POPULATION AND THE AMERICAN JEWISH POPULATION HAVE BEEN
WORKING HARD FOR A TWO-STATE SOLUTION AND AN END TO THE
OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK. >> PROFESSOR ALATOUT BELIEVES IN
ONE STATE, FROM THE JORDAN RIVER TO THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA THAT
EQUALLY INCLUDES PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS.
>> THE SOLUTION IS ONE DEMOCRATIC STATE BETWEEN THE
RIVER AND THE SEA WITH A STATE OF ITS CITIZENS AND FOR ITS
CITIZENS AND WITH EQUAL RIGHTS TO EVERYBODY.
>> NO MATTER THE SOLUTION, HAMAD SAID THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OUT OF
THIS WAR. >> THERE WILL BE END FOR THIS
FIGHTING BY AGREEING, BY PEOPLE AGREEING THAT THEY WILL LIVE
SIDE BY SIDE IN PEACEFUL SITUATION. >> UNTIL THEN, THE
CLOUD OF UNCERTAINTY AND THE FOR A OF
DEATH REMAINS FOR THESE WISCONSIN FAMILIES AND HANGS
HEAVY. FOR "HERE & NOW," I'M ADITI
DEBNATH. >> GOVERNOR TONY EVE RS IS
EXPECTED TO SIGN THE NEW BREWERS STADIUM FUNDING PACKAGE, KEEPING
THE TEAM IN MILWAUKEE UNTIL 2050, OR ANOTHER 27 YEARS.
THE SLIM DOWNED STATE CONTRIBUTION OF AN ESTIMATED
NEARLY 366 MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE HELP OF TICKET SURCHARGES
HELPED PUSH BIPARTISAN APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.
STILL, THERE WAS ALSO BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION TO SIGNING ON TO SUCH
PUBLIC FUNDING OF A MAJOR LEAGUE BALLPARK.
SENATE MINORITY LEADER, MELISSA GARD, HELPED NEGOTIATE THE
TERMS. SHE JOINS US NOW. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> SO WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU
TO KEEP THE MILWAUKEE BREWERS IN MILWAUKEE? >> WELL, IT'S IMPO
RTANT TO ME THAT THE MILWAUKEE BREWERS ARE
HERE IN WISCONSIN AND IN MILWAUKEE. THEY'RE PART OF OU
R CULTURE AND AS A STATE THAT IS SUFFERING
FROM AN AWFUL LOT OF OUT MIGRATION OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE,
TO ME, IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE IMPACTS
OF OUR CULTURE LEAVING OUR STATE, MAKING SURE THAT THE
BREWERS STAY HERE IN WISCONSIN, NOT ONLY IS GOOD FOR THE TALKING
POINTS AND, YOU KNOW, THE VISION OF WHAT WISCONSIN IS GOING TO
LOOK LIKE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S GOOD-PAYING JOBS FOR THE
PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE STADIUM, THAT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL
REVENUE TO COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE OF WISCONSIN BECAUSE WE
WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A DECREASE IN SALES TAX FEES THAT
THE STATE WILL COLLECT FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES, THAT WE KNOW
THAT THERE ARE GOOD JOBS THAT WILL GO INTO THE RENOVATIONS
THAT NEED TO HAPPEN AT THE STADIUM.
ULTIMATELY, IT HITS A LOT OF MARKS ON HOW IT IS THAT
WISCONSIN WILL BENEFIT FROM KEEPING THE BREWERS HERE.
>> WAS THE THREAT OF THEM LEAVING REAL?
>> ABSOLUTELY, YES. IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO ME
THAT THE BREWERS HAD RECEIVED MULTIPLE OFFERS FROM OTHER TEAMS
ACROSS THE NATION -- OR OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE NATION AND
THAT, IN JANUARY, THEY WERE GOING TO BE TAKING VERY
SERIOUSLY COMMUNICATING WITH THOSE LOCATIONS.
>> WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED FOR IT OR UND URGED YOUR MEMBERS TO IFN
THE END THE BILL DID NOT REDUCE THE STATE'S FINANCIAL
CONTRIBUTION? >> I BELIEVE T HAT GOOD WORK WAS
DONE EARLY ON BY GOVERNOR TONY EVERS AND MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
ASSEMBLY TO GET THE BILL TO A BETTER PLACE THAN WHEN IT WAS
FIRST INTRODUCED, BUT I WAS ALSO VERY CONFIDENT THAT I WAS ABLE
TO BRING THE VOICES OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THE CONSTITUENTS
WHO WE REPRESENT TO THE TABLE IN THE SENATE AND MAKE IT EVEN
BETTER, SO I'M GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE SALES OR THE STATE REVENUE NUMBERS DOWN
FOR THE INVESTMENT AND ALSO NEGOTIATE SEATS AT THE TABLE FOR
THE LOCALS, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, AND THAT WAS VERY
IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY CAUCUS AS WELL. >> TELL ME ABOUT THE I
MPORTANCE OF THAT.
>> THERE'S AN OLD SAYING. IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE TABLE,
YOU'RE ON THE TABLE, AND KNOWING THAT THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE AND
THE COUNTY OF MILWAUKEE ARE TWO PARTNERS IN DELIVERING FUNDS TO
KEEP THE BREWERS HERE IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, I THINK IT'S
VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY ALSO ARE SITTING AT THE TABLE IN PART
OF THE NEGOTIATIONS. >> STILL, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE
WAS OPPOSITION TO THIS FROM THOSE SAYING THAT IT'S A
WINDFALL FOR THE BREWERS, TOO MUCH PUBLIC FUNDING FOR A
PROFITABLE SPORTS TEAM. WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THOSE
CONCERNS AND CRITICISMS? >> CERTAINLY THAT IS A MORAL
ISSUE NATIONWIDE WHEN IT COMES TO PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAMS,
BUT THIS IS THE TREND AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THOSE
CONVERSATIONS AND WORK WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAMS AND
THEIR ASSOCIATIONS TO CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE BREWERS IN WISCONSIN,
THERE HAD TO BE A STATE CONTRIBUTION. WE DO HAVE A $
7 BILLION SURPLUS, AND FRANKLY, I WOULD HAVE
PREFERRED THAT WE HAD GONE DOWN THE PATH THAT WAS PROPP PROPOSEY
GOVERNOR EVERS BUT THE REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE
WE WERE ABLE TO BRING DOWN
CONTRIBUTIONS BY TAX DOLLARS AND TAKE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE OFF,
ADD MORE VOICE TO THE TABLE FOR OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ALSO
NEGOTIATE BENEFITS FOR OUR COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN THROUGH THIS DEAL. IS IT EXACTLY PERFECT IN NO.
BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THE BREWERS HERE IN
THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AND I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GET THERE.
>> WHAT ABOUT OTHER PRIORITIES OF YOURS THAT COULD USE AN
INFUSION OF CASH, PARTICULARLY AS WE SPEAK ABOUT THAT SURPLUS,
THOSE THAT YOU'VE ENUMERATED INCLUDE EDUCATION, THE UW,
INCREASING WAGES AND CHILDCARE FUNDING. THIS BREWERS PACKAGE
WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL AND A LOT OF STATE MONEY WENT TOWARD IT.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER PRIORITIES OF YOURS?
>> SO ABSOLUTELY. WE KNOW THAT IN THE LEGISLATURE,
WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WE CAN WORK HARD
ON MULTIPLE DIFFERENT POLICIES. PROTECTING OUR TEAR AND WATER,
ADDRESSING PO P.F.O.S. CONTAMINATION, FUNDING OUR
SCHOOLS AT ALL LEVELS, WHETHER IT'S OUR K THROUGH 12 SCHOOLS,
OUR UNIVERSITY SYSTEMS, UNSTICKING THE BLOCK THAT IS
PREVENTING WORKERS AT OUR UNIVERSITY SYSTEMS FROM
RECEIVING THE WAGES THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THROUGH OUR
BUDGET. THESE ARE ALL PRIORI TIES OF
DEMOCRATS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE PUSHING
FOR THEM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT
NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND THAT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE BREWERS.
>> JUST VERY BRIEFLY, WITH LESS THAN HALF A MINUTE LEFT, THERE
WAS BIPARTISAN NEGOTIATION HERE. DO YOU THINK THAT BODES WELL
GOING FORWARD? >> WE'VE HAD BIPARTISAN
NEGOTIATIONS ON A NUMBER OF BIG BILLS THIS SESSION, AND I DO
MAINTAIN HOPE. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN
WANT. THEY WANT US TO WORK WITH EACH
OTHER. >> ALL RIGHT. SENATOR AGARD, THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> WE TURN NOW TO OUR SERIES OF
SPECIAL REPORTS ON RACE, WITH WISCONSIN IN BLACK AND WHITE, IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NEHEMIAH CENTER FOR URBAN LEADERSHIP
DEVELOPMENT. LAST WEEK, REPOR TER NATHAN
DENZIN BROUGHT US THE STORY OF ONE MAN'S HEALTH JOURNEY AS HE
WORKS TO IMPROVE HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR ALL BLACK MEN.
TONIGHT WE LOOK AT GENERATIONAL TRAUMA AND ITS IMPACT ON MENTAL
HEALTH OF HERE'S THE FINAL INSTALLMENT OF WISCONSIN IN
BLACK AND WHITE, HEALTH DIVIDES.
- If I'm talking about it and I'm not embarrassed about it,
then you don't have to be embarrassed either.
The mental health of so many people, you know,
myself included, are just being, I mean,
it feels like you're just being constantly attacked.
- Nathan: Reverend Everett Mitchell
is a pastor at Christ the Solid Rock Baptist Church
in Madison, and also a Dane County judge.
- I don't know what it is,
but people are feeling darker now.
- Mental health is so, so extremely important,
especially in the aftermath of COVID.
- Nathan: Dr. Jasmine Zapata is the
chief medical officer for community health
at the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.
- Younger people, and in particular our Black youth,
where we see increases in overdoses,
mental health concerns, adverse childhood experiences.
- I grew up, there was a lot of trauma,
but nobody talked about it.
There was a lot of pain; nobody expressed it.
We saw cycles of people, you know,
alcoholism and drug abuse,
just kind of going through the same cycles.
- Nathan: Repeating cycles in families that go way back.
For Lilada Gee, many of the mental health issues
facing the Black community today can be attributed
to the generational trauma they hold.
- I think there is not a Black American
that is not touched by generational trauma.
- Nathan: Gee is the founder of Defending Black Girlhood,
a nonprofit that works with Black girls and women
to unpack and heal their trauma.
As part of that work,
she creates art depicting resiliency.
She is also a lecturer at the Madison-based Nehemiah's
Justified Anger: Black History for a New Day course.
The nine-week course teaches the community about race,
history, and justice.
- In the way I would define it is something
has happened to an ancestor that was so devastating
that the impact reverberates to today.
- Nathan: Even if you aren't aware
of the trauma you carry,
Reggie Jackson says it can affect your life.
- It teaches you to see yourself in a very specific way.
It teaches you that somehow, you can't think
of yourself in a positive way.
- Nathan: Jackson is a community leader in Milwaukee.
- You are going to be told by society,
generation after generation,
even after slavery ends, that you are an inferior species,
that you are not deserving of being treated
as a first-class citizen in America.
- If you don't have the experience to be able to heal,
then that trauma remains there.
- It passes down in terms of the way that you interact
with your family members, your children,
your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren.
All of those things are impacted by the people
that came before you.
- Nathan: Generations of people being treated
as second-class citizens,
often expressed by what are known as microaggressions.
- Microaggressions from my definition, are these small,
insidious experiences that happen on a regular basis.
- Nathan: Some are small and insidious; others are overt,
and they can happen in every facet of life,
like trying to schedule appointments.
- The lady I'm talking to,
she puts her hand over the phone and says to somebody
in the background, "I don't mean to be racist,
but I think I'm talking to an angry Black woman here."
- Everett: We thank you, God, for all these blessings...
- Nathan: At Christ the Solid Rock, Mitchell says
the trauma his parishioners carry is always on his mind.
- I prioritize not only education about the faith,
but also your mental health,
mental well-being as a spiritual priority.
- Nathan: While church attendance is declining,
nearly 70% of Black Americans still go to church
at least once a month.
- The Black church is essential because it speaks
to the issues that people experience.
- Nathan: The Black church has been part of American life
before America was even founded.
The first Black church was founded in 1773 during slavery.
- In many ways, the Black church is a response to the,
you know, the brutality of slavery in our American history.
- Nathan: Mitchell says the Black church differs
from most white churches
because they often talk about religious practicality.
- What you experience on the outside of the world
should be brought in here so we can better understand
how we deal with it, how we talk about it.
- Nathan: To help his congregation
through the trauma they may have,
Mitchell gives a five-week sermon every year to help define
and heal from trauma and resulting problems
with mental health.
- You don't have to pray it away.
It is something we identify and we live with,
and it's the living with it that gives us the courage
to be able to transform it into something that can be useful
for us and for our families that we serve.
- Nathan: He says the sermons have had
a tremendous impact on his congregation.
- But it's something within us.
That in and of itself has given people permission to move in
and out of the space of trauma without thinking that this
is something that they need to get rid of or that one sermon
or one prayer is gonna just release it.
- Nathan: For Lilada Gee,
the most important healing work is with Black women.
- It's hard for the Black community to move forward
if Black women are not healed,
and if Black women are not healed,
then they continue to pass that pain on
to generation to generation.
- Nathan: But she says that healing is possible
if you're willing to put in the work and lean into joy.
- Joy is something that you feel, you just get to feel
when you lean in, and comes from gratitude,
and it comes from hope and the belief
that your life can be better.
- Our messages have to become brighter,
and the only way that we can do that is to give people
a demonstrated experience in our local community
to offset all of the crazy stuff that they're hearing about.
- The trauma that we've experienced is not something
we have to carry for a lifetime.
- Nathan: For Here & Now, I'm Nathan Denzin.
>> FOR MORE ON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES FACING WISCONSIN, VISIT
OUR WEBSITE AT PBSWISCONSIN.ORG
AND THEN LICK CLICK ON THE NEW. THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG. HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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