>> AS YOU JUST HEARD, IF
REPUBLICANS WIN A VETO-PROOF
MAJORITY AND DEMOCRAT TONY
EVERS WINS RE-ELECTION, HIS
DAYS OF EASILY OVERTURNING
BILLS WOULD BE OVER.
BUT IF REPUBLICAN TIM MICHELS
WINS THE ELECTION, WHAT BILLS
THAT EVERS VETOED WOULD LIKELY
BECOME LAW?
TO LOOK AT THESE POSSIBLE
ELECTION OUTCOMES, WE TURN TO
SHAWN JOHNSON, CAPITOL BUREAU
CHIEF FOR WISCONSIN PUBLIC
RADIO.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> OKAY, SO HOW DOES GOVERNOR
TONY EVERS' VETO RECORD STACK
UP IN HISTORY?
IT TURNS OUT, OVER A TWO-YEAR
SESSION.
EVER SINCE WISCONSIN HAS BEEN
A STATE.
NO GOVERNOR HAS VETOED NOR
BILLS THAN HE HAS.
126.
THE NEXT CLOSEST IS 90s.
EVERS HAS IT BY A MILE.
IF YOU ARE THINKING THEY ARE
NOT GETTING ALONG TOO WELL.
YOU ARE FACTUALLY, OBJECTIVELY
CORRECT.
IN HIS 126 VETOES IN A SINGLE
IT COVERED EVERYTHING FROM
ELECTION LAW CHANGES, COVID
BILLS, K-12 LAW CHANGES,
LEGISLATION ON
GUNS, ABORTION, AND CHILD
LABOR LAWS.
WHICH STAND OUT HEADING INTO
THE ELECTION?
IF YOU ASK WHICH STANDS OUT IN
TERMS OF THE CAMPAIGN WE ARE
WATCHING RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD SAY NOT VERY MANY OF
THEM.
REALLY.
IT FEELS LIKE THE CANDIDATES
ARE RUNNING ON THEMES THAT YOU
SEE FROM REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS EVERYWHERE.
TIM MICHELS IS RUNNING AGAINST
EVERS AS, TALKING ABOUT HIS
PAROLE COMMISSION.
EVERS IS TALKING ABOUT TIM
MIKE ELLS ON ABORTION GOING
BACK TO 2004.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
THEY WERE NOT REALLY TALKING
ABOUT THESE VETOES.
THAT SAID, THERE IS
SIGNIFICANT STUFF IN THERE.
THERE IS AROUND 20 BILTZ THAT
REPUBLICANS PASSED RELATED TO
ELECTION LAW CHANGES,
INCLUDING THEN ON PRIVATE
PLANTS TO HELP RUN ELECTIONS.
THERE ARE SOME PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO
EDUCATION IN WISCONSIN.
PROPOSED IN THESE BILLS.
INCLUDING ONE THAT WOULD LIFT
ALL CAPS ON THE PRIVATE SCHOOL
VOUCHER PROGRAM, NO MORE
ENROLLMENT CAPS OR LIMITS TO
THE PROGRAM.
THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
TO WISCONSIN LAW.
SO THERE IS A LOT IN THERE IN
ALL OF THESE BILLS.
SOME OF IT IS GETTING TALKS
ABOUT, JUST NOT AS MUCH AS THE
LARGER THEMES.
DO THESE BILLS THAT ARE VETOED
REPRESENT A BLUEPRINT FOR
REPUBLICANS?
>> IN A WAY, I THINK THEY DO.
WE MENTIONED IT'S REFERRED TO
AS THE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL
CHOICE PLAN.
HISTORICALLY IN WISCONSIN, THE
SCHOOL CHOICE LOBBY IS KIND OF
MOVED INCREMENTALLY.
RAISE THE INCOME LIMITATIONS
FOR THE CHOICE PROGRAM A
LITTLE BIT THIS SESSION.
A LITTLE BIT THIS SESSION.
EXPANDS IT TO RECEIVE, THEN
STATE-WIDE.
KIND OF STEP BY STEP.
THIS IS LIKE EVERYTHING HERE.
AND I THINK BYPASSING IT,
GETTING THE LEGISLATURE ON
RECORD TO SUPPORT THIS BILL,
EVEN IF THEY KNEW THE GOVERNOR
WAS GOING TO VETO IT.
THEY MAY HAVE TIM MIKE ELLS
TALKING ABOUT IT.
EVERYBODY IS ON THE RECORD IN
REPUBLICAN POLITICS SAYING
"LET'S DO THIS."
IT DOES SET A BLUEPRINT FOR
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR SHOULD TIM
MICHELS WIN TO STAKE SWEEPING
STEPS QUICKLY.
>> WHAT ELSE WILL BE FIRST OUT
OF THE BLOCKS?
I THINK THE ELECTION BILLS
WOULD BE COMING PRETTY FAST.
BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN BASE
SAYS THEY WANT THEM.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS
PROBABLY NOT ALL THE CHANGES
REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE
DOING WHEN IT COMES TO
ELECTION LAW.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A PUSH TO
POSSIBLY ELIMINATE THE
WISCONSIN ELECTIONS
COMMISSION.
THERE A WHOLE BUNCH THAT
REPUBLICANS TALKED ABOUT IN
THEIR PRIMARY COMPLAIN THAT
THE BASE WANTS.
WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN 2024
THAT WILL BE CLOSE HERE IN
WISCONSIN.
>> WITH ALL OF THESE BILLS
CONCEIVABLY COME BACK OR IS
SOME OF IT REPUBLICANS TRYING
TO DRAW THE VETO TO MESSAGE
THE BASE?
I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID
THERE IS A VERY GOOD
POSSIBILITY FOR SOME OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER.
THIS WEAPON HAD A TALK LIKE
THIS IN 2010.
WHEN WE HAD A DEMOCRAT
GOVERNOR WHO VETOED REPUBLICAN
BILLS.
SUDDENLY REPUBLICANS HAD ALL
THE POWER.
WE WENT THROUGH A LIST OF WHAT
MIGHT THEY PASS.
THEY DID PASS SOME OF THAT
STUFF THAT THEY SENT TO GET
VETOED.
BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
THERE WAS OTHER STUFF THAT WAS
NOT ON THE LIST.
I DON'T KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK
YOU CAN LOOK TELL VETO LIST
AND SAY THAT'S EVERYTHING THEY
WILL DO NEXT YEAR.
THERE ARE SOME BILLS ON THERE,
FOR EXAMPLE ONE THAT WOULD
EXEMPT ALL GUNS MADE IN
WISCONSIN FROM ANY FEDERAL
FIREARM LAWS.
IT WOULD PROHIBIT FEDERAL BANS
ON ASSAULT WEAPONS.
THAT'S PRETTY BROAD STUFF.
THEY MIGHT MASS IT AGAIN.
BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
>> IT DOES SUFFICE TO SAY IT
POINTS TO HIGH STAKES IN THIS
ELECTION, FOR SURE.
SHAWN JOHNSON MUCH
>> NEXT WEEK, ZAC SCHULTZ IS
ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WITH THE
CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR.
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