TEMPERS FLARED AS FORMER SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE MICHAEL GABLEMAN
PROVIDED ANOTHER UPDATE ON HIS
ELECTION INVESTIGATION.
>> I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
OVERTURNING ANY ELECTION.
STOP MAKING THINGS UP, MARK.
>> DEMOCRATS CRITICIZED GABLEMAN
FOR NEW HIRES ON HIS STAFF WHICH
INCLUDE A LAWYER WHO WORKED TO
OVERTURN THE STATE ELECTION
RESULTS.
>> IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT
THIS, COULDN'T WE BRING IN
SOMEBODY WHO IS ABOVE
PARTISANSHIP AND REPROACH?
>> GABLEMAN ALSO ANNOUNCED HE IS
SEEKING A COURT ORDER TO COMPEL
TESTIMONY FROM THE MAYORS OF
MADISON AND GREEN BAY.
>> OF ALL THE CLERKS AND MAJORS,
THOSE TWO SIMPLY FAILED WITHOUT
REASON OR EXCUSE TO APPEAR FOR
THEIR DEPOSITIONS.
>> MADISON CITY ATTORNEY SAID
THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING SINCE
OCTOBER UNDER AN AGREEMENT THAT
WOULD PREVENT OFFICIALS FROM
TESTIFYING.
THE CITY HAS NOT RECEIVED AN
UPDATED FORMAL REQUEST FOR
ANYONE TO TESTIFY.
A COURT WILL HEAR THE ISSUE
DECEMBER 22.
>> FORMER JUSTICE GABLEMAN'S
LATEST FILINGS THREATENED TO
JAIL THE MAYORS OF MADISON AND
GREEN BAY IF THEY DON'T APPEAR
TO TESTIFY.
FIRST, AS THE GABLEMAN
INVESTIGATION WAS GETTING A
HEARING IN THE CAPITOL, THE
STATE ELECTIONS COMMISSION WAS
MEETING TO REVIEW THE
LEGISLATIVE AUDIT BUREAU REPORT
ON THE 2020 ELECTION.
COMMISSIONERS UNANIMOUSLILY
APPROVED SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS
MADE FOR CONDUCTING ELECTIONS,
INCLUDING PROMULGATING RULES ON
BALLOT DROP BOXES AND WHAT
INFORMATION CLERKS CAN FILL IN
ON ABSENTEE BALLOT ENVELOPES.
BUT THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED
ANGER THAT THE AUDIT BUREAU WENT
PUBLIC BEFORE INACCURACIES IN
ITS REPORT COULD BE CORRECTED
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>> I THINK THEY FELL INTO THE
TRAP OF SUCCUMBING TO POLITICAL
PRESSURE THAT THEY WOULD NOT
ALLOW A REVIEW AND A SIMPLE
REVIEW LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO HELPS
PREVENT THIS KIND OF INACCURACY
SEEPING INTO THE FINAL REPORT.
>> REPUBLICAN COMMISSIONER DEAN
KNUDSON SAID THE BUREAU ACTED IN
AN UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER.
ALSO RELATED TO THE 2020
ELECTION, THERE'S A LONGSTANDING
COMPLAINT ALLEGING CRIMINAL
WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF TEN
REPUBLICANS IN WISCONSIN WHO,
FOLLOWING JOE BIDEN'S VICTORY,
CONVENED AS PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTORS FOR DONALD TRUMP.
FRAUDULENT ELECTORS CAST THEIR
VOTES FOR TRUMP FOR WISCONSIN'S
ELECTORAL VOTES TO BE COUNTED ON
JANUARY 6 FOR THE LOSING
CANDIDATE.
THE COMPLAINT IS SITTING WITH
THE WISCONSIN ELECTIONS ELECTIOS
COMMISSION.
ATTORNEY JEFF MANDELL IS LEAD
COUNSEL AT LAW FORWARD AND
BROUGHT THIS COMPLAINT.
HE'S ALSO REPRESENTING THE CITY
OF GREEN BAY IN THE GABLEMANúPR.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE START.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO FORMER JUSTICE GABLEMAN'S
INVESTIGATION INTO THE WISCONSIN
2020 ELECTION HAS A KEY FOCUS ON
THE NEARLY $9 MILLION IN GRANTS
THE CENTER FOR TECH AND CIVIC
LIFE GAVE TO THE STATE'S LARGEST
AND DEMOCRATIC-LEANING CITIES,
INCLUDING GREEN BAY AND MADISON.
YOU REPRESENT GREEN BAY AS
OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
NOW JUSTICE GABLEMAN IS GOING TO
COURT AND THREATENING JAIL TO
COMPEL TESTIMONY FROM THOSE
MAYORS AS HE ALLEGES A COVER-UP.
WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS?
>> THE LATEST GAMBIT IS THAT
MR. GABLEMAN HAS FILED PAPERS IN
WAUKESHA COUNTY TRYING TO HAVE
THE MAYORS OF GREEN BAY AND
MADISON ARRESTED FOR FAILING TO
PROVIDE TESTIMONY.
BUT THIS IS COMPLETELY CRAZY.
THIS IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF
MR. GABLEMAN THROWING AROUND BIG
LEGAL WORDS BUT NOT FOLLOWING
WISCONSIN LAW.
THIS IS NOT A REMEDY THAT IS
AVAILABLE, AND THE FACTS ARE
SIMPLY NOT WITH HIM.
NO ONE HAS REFUSED TO GIVE
TESTIMONY.
THE CITY OF GREEN BAY PROVIDED
20,000 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS TO THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE, AND
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE
EXPRESSLY AGREED THAT BECAUSE WE
PROVIDED THOSE DOCUMENTS, THERE
WAS NO NEED FOR TESTIMONY AT
THIS POINT AND THEY WOULD LET
THE CITY KNOW IF THERE WAS GOING
TO BE A REQUEST LATER.
WE NEVER HEARD FROM THEM UNTIL
ON WEDNESDAY MR. GABLEMAN, IN A
PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON CAMPAIGNS
AND ELECTIONS, SAID THAT HE WAS
HAVING THESE PEOPLE ARRESTED AND
THAT HE HAD FILED COURT PAPERS
TO DO SO.
HE NEVER EVEN NOTIFIED THE CITY
OR HAD US SERVED WITH THOSE
COURT PAPERS.
>> THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE
AND THE REPORTING ON THAT
CONTINUES, INCLUDING BY US.
BUT I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE
REPUBLICAN ELECTORS.
WHY ADDRESS THIS SO LONG AFTER
THE CERTIFICATION OF THE
ELECTION WITH PARENTHETICALLY
THE INSURRECTION THAT IT CAUSED
ON JANUARY 6?
>> WELL, TO BE FAIR, THE DELAY
HERE IS ENTIRELY ON THE PART OF
THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION.
WE FILED OUR COMPLAINT IN
FEBRUARY.
IT'S BEEN PENDING FOR NEARLY TEN
MONTHS.
WE FILED IT IN MID FEBRUARY ON
PRESIDENT'S DAY.
BUT REGARDLESS, WHAT IS SO
IMPORTANT IS THAT THIS DOES GET
RESOLVED.
WE CAN'T ALLOW THE DELAY IN
ADJUDICATING THIS TO MAKE PEOPLE
DISMISS IT AS ANCIENT HISTORY.
BECAUSE AS YOU HAVE EXPLAINED,
WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS A
DELIBERATE EFFORT TO DEFRAUD THE
PEOPLE OF THE CHOICE THAT THEY
MADE THROUGH THEIR VOTE HERE IN
WISCONSIN AND TO DEFRAUD THE
CONGRESS BY FOOLING THEM.
AND THAT -- IT IS EXACTLY THAT
EFFORT, THESE FRAUDULENT PAPERS
THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO CONGRESS,
THAT FUELED THE JANUARY 6
INSURRECTION.
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO
INSURRECTION IF PEOPLE DID NOT
BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A BASIS
FOR ASKING VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
TO CHOOSE ONE SLATE OF ELECTORS
OVER THE OTHER.
THESE PAPERS CREATED THAT
POSSIBILITY.
>> ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS ON THE
WISCONSIN ELECTIONS COMMISSION,
BOB SPINDELL, WAS AMONG THOSE
ELECTORS.
LAST MONTH HE DEFENDED HIMSELF
FOR HIS AND OTHERS' ACTIONS.
LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
>> THIS WAS MANDATORY AND
NECESSARY ACCORDING TO THE LEGAL
OPINIONS TO PRESERVE THE RECORD
AND THE RPW POSITION AND THESE
MANY FEDERAL AND STATE CASES
THAT WERE SWIRLING AROUND
WISCONSIN AT THIS TIME.
SHOULD A CASE OR TWO BE FOUND IN
FAVOR OF TRUMP, IT WAS NECESSARY
TO HAVE NOT TO HAVE FORFEITED
HIS RIGHTS FOR AN APPEAL.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MALPRACTICE
NOT TO HAVE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
TAKE ALL STEPS TO PRESERVE ITS
RECORDS AND OPTIONS.
>> COMMISSIONER SPINDELL SAID
THEY WERE ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT
THEIR OPTIONS SHOULD TRUMP
PREVAIL IN ANY CHALLENGE TO
ELECTION RESULTS.
WHAT ABOUT THAT?
>> THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE AND
THAT'S TRUE FOR SEVERAL REASONS,
FREDERICA.
FIRST, THERE WERE NOT AS HE SAYS
MANY FEDERAL AND STATE LAWSUITS
SWIRLING AROUND.
THE COURTS HAD TAKEN GREAT PAINS
TO ASSURE BEFORE THE COLLEGE MET
THAT THOSE CASES WERE RESOLVED.
THE PARTIAL RECOUNT HERE IN
WISCONSIN HAS BEEN RESOLVED ALL
THE WAY THROUGH THE WISCONSIN
SUPREME COURT.
THE CASES IN FEDERAL COURT HAD
BEEN RESOLVED.
THERE WAS NO FURTHER LITIGATION
THAT WAS NECESSARY.
NUMBER TWO, AND PERHAPS EVEN
MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT THE
FRAUDULENT ELECTORS HERE IN
WISCONSIN DID DIFFERS IN KIND
FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN OTHER
STATES.
IN SOME OTHER STATES, THE
ELECTORS MET AND THEY PUT AT THE
BEGINNING OF THEIR PAPERS WORDS
THAT SAID IN THE EVENT THAT A
COURT DECIDES THAT THERE WAS
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE
ELECTION, THIS IS HOW OUR STATE
WOULD CAST ITS ELECTORAL VOTES.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED
HERE IN WISCONSIN.
THERE WAS NO SUCH IN CASE OF
EMERGENCY BREAK GLASS CLAUSE AT
THE BEGINNING OF THESE PAPERS.
THESE PAPERS WERE DELIBERATELY
DESIGNED TO BE IDENTICAL IN
EVERY RESPECT TO THE ACTUAL
PAPERS CASTING THE ACTUAL
ELECTORAL VOTES THAT REFLECTED
THE WILL OF THE VOTERS IN
WISCONSIN.
THEY WERE DESIGNED TO DEFRAUD
THE PEOPLE, TO CONFUSE THE
CONGRESS AND TO CREATE EXACTLY
THE SITUATION THAT LED TO THE
JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION.
THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM.
>> WE WILL WATCH WHERE THIS
GOES.
WE APPRECIATE YOU DESCRIBING IT
FOR US.
JEFF MANDELL, THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, FREDERICA.