>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION.
>> THE CONTENTIOUS WOLF HUNT,
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
DNR'S POLITICAL POWER STRUGGLE
TAKES TO THE COURTS.
THE GOVERNOR WANTS MILLIONS TO
GO TOWARD VIOLENCE PREVENTION
AND VICTIM AID AS THE PANDEMIC
FUELS GUN VIOLENCE AND
HOMICIDES.
COVID LONG-HAULERS STRUGGLE TO
HEAL FROM THE DISEASE LONG AFTER
FIRST BEING INFECTED.
AND A COUNTY ELECTION CLERK
EXPLAINS BALLOT SECURITY,
INVITING THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR
TO GIVE HER TO CALL WITH HIS
QUESTIONS.
>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," WE'LL
HEAR FROM THE GREAT LAKES INDIAN
AND FISH WILDLIFE COMMISSION.
MARISA WOJCIK SPEAKS WITH THE
MILWAUKEE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S
OFFICE OF VIOLENCE PREVENTION.
THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF A MAYO
CLINIC REHAB PROGRAM DESCRIBES
HIS WORK.
AND WILL KENNEALLY GIVES US THE
LATEST ON THE GOP-LED 2020
INVESTIGATION.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
OCTOBER 15.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
WISCONSIN.
>> WISCONSIN'S WOLF HUNT IS SET
TO BEGIN IN A LITTLE MORE THAN
THREE WEEKS, ON NOVEMBER 6.
BUT JUST DAYS BEFORE THAT, A
FEDERAL JUDGE IN MADISON WILL
CONSIDER A LAWSUIT FROM SIX
CHIPPEWA TRIBES CALLING TO HALT
THE HUNT.
WE INVITED HUNTER NATION, WHICH
SUED TO HOLD FEBRUARY'S WOLF
HUNT, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO
JOIN US TONIGHT.
WE ARE JOINED BY PETER DAVID,
BIOLOGIST WITH THE GREAT LAKES
INDIAN FISH & WILDLIFE
COMMISSION AND THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
>> IT'S A PLEASURE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
>> SO LET'S UNPACK THE REASONS
THE OJIBWA TRIBES WANT TO
PREVENT THE WOLF HUNT FROM
HAPPENING.
WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
WOLF POPULATION IN WISCONSIN,
ESPECIALLY AFTER THAT FEBRUARY
HUNT?
>> WELL, THE FEBRUARY HUNT WAS
CERTAINLY AN UNPRECEDENTED EVENT
COMPARED TO WOLF HUNTING IN
HISTORY.
THAT IMPACT WAS ENTIRELY NESTED
INTO THE HEART OF THE WOLVES'
BREEDING SEASON, SO WE'RE FAR
FROM UNDERSTANDING THE
BIOLOGICAL IMPACT OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY AND YET
WE'RE PROCEEDING HERE WITH
ANOTHER HUNT.
THAT'S REALLY UNCONSCIONABLE I
THINK TO THE TRIBES.
THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS CONNECTIONS
TO THE WOLF AND THEY ALSO VALUE
THE INCREDIBLY ECOLOGICALLY AND
RELY ON THEM TO KEEP THE DEER
HEALTHY, WHICH THE TRIBES DEPEND
ON VERY MUCH.
SO THE TRIBES' REAL GOAL IS TO
LET THE WOLVES REACH THEIR
NATURAL LEVEL, WHICH THEY WERE
CLOSE TO DOING BEFORE THE
FEBRUARY HUNT.
>> THE TRIBES' LAWSUIT DAT STATS
THE DNR VIOLATED TREATY HUNTS
SAYING THE QUOTA SHOULDN'T BE
300 OR 130, BUT ZERO.
HOW WERE TREATIES VIOLATED?
>> WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
WAYS, FRANKLY.
THE QUO ATHERE'S A REAL QUESTIOR
THERE'S A NEED FOR A QUOTA AT
ALL.
IS THERE A LEGITIMATE REASON TO
HUNT WOLVES?
I THINK BOTH IN THE SPORT
HUNTING ETHIC I GREW UP IN AND
IN THE OJIBWA WORLDVIEW, WE
APPLY ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS TO
HUNTING ANY ANIMAL, ESPECIALLY
SOMETHING THAT'S AS SOCIAL AND
CULTURAL SIGNIFICANT AS THE
WOLF.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
THEN THE STATE UNFORTUNATELY HAS
A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE A
LAW THAT REQUIRES A HUNT TO TAKE
PLACE.
IF YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT,
IT AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE APPLIED
WITH THE BEST AVAILABLE SCIENCE.
IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE ACTIONS
THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD
WAS TAKING WERE AN EFFORT TO GET
AROUND THE TRIBES' RIGHT TO
PROTECT THE WOLF.
AND SO THAT'S A TREMENDOUS
CONCERN.
AND THEN THE LACK OF SOUND
SCIENCE BEHIND THE PROCESS THAT
WAS USED TO REACH THIS QUOTA IS
ANOTHER TREMENDOUS CONCERN OF
THE TRIBES.
AND THE MANY PEOPLE IN THE
NONTRIBAL COMMUNITY.
>> THERE ARE THOSE AS WELL.
NOW, SUPPORTERS OF A ROBUST WOLF
HUNT SAY THAT THE ANIMALS PREY
ON LIVESTOCK AND THEIR NUMBERS
NEED TO BE REDUCED.
WHAT ABOUT THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
INSTRUCTIVE TO LOOK AT OUR
NEIGHBORING STATES.
THERE ARE WOLVES OBVIOUSLY IN
THE UPPER PENINSULA OF MICHIGAN
AND MINNESOTA.
NEITHER RUSHES TO KILL WOLVES.
THE POPULATION IS SIMILAR TO
WISCONSIN.
THEY HAVE A LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY
AS WELL.
HUNTING HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO
WITH ADDRESSING LIVESTOCK
DEPREDATION CONCERNS.
WE LOOK AT THE FEBRUARY HUNT.
NINE OUT OF TEN WOLVES KILLED IN
THAT HUNT WERE TAKEN MORE THAN
TEN MILES FROM THE NEAREST
DEPREDATION EVENT.
SO WHILE THERE ARE LIVESTOCK
CONCERNS, WE KNOW THAT HUNTING
IS NOT A LEGITIMATE WAY TO
ADDRESS THEM.
AND WISCONSIN I THINK NEEDS TO
EMULATE THE OTHER TWO STATES AND
TAKE A THOUGHTFUL AND PRACTICAL
PATH FORWARD.
THOSE STATES ARE DOING SOCIAL
SURVEYS.
THEY'RE TALKING TO THEIR
CONSTITUENTS.
THEY'RE CONSULTING WITH THE
TRIBES.
THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A
LEGITIMATE AND SCIENCE-BASED AND
DEFENSIBLE PATH FORWARD AND
THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK
WISCONSIN NEEDS TO CATCH UP TO.
>> AS TO THE CULTURAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF WOLVES FOR THE
OJIBWA, WOLVES ARE SACRED.
FOR THEM, WHAT KIND OF A
VIOLATION IS KILLING THEM?
>> IN THE OJIBWA WORLD VIEW IT'S
UNDERSTOOD THAT WOLF IS AN
ANIMAL THAT THE TRIBES' FATE IS
INTERTWINED WITH AND THE
RELATIONSHIP IS REALLY ONE OF A
BROTHERHOOD.
THIS IS LITERALLY LIKE COMING
INTO YOUR FAMILY AND KILLING
FAMILY MEMBERS TO TRADITIONAL
OJIBWA PEOPLE.
SO IT'S THAT WRONG AND IT'S THAT
CLOSE TO HOME AND YOU CAN
IMAGINE HOW THIS FEELS TO TRIBAL
PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE
JUSTIFICATIONS GIVEN FOR THIS
EVENT REALLY DON'T HOLD UP TO
ANY SCIENTIFIC SCRUTINY.
>> SO WE WILL BE LOOKING TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENS IN FEDERAL COURT
JUST DAYS BEFORE THE HUNT IS SET
TO BEGIN.
PETER DAVID, THANKS VERY MUCH.
THANKS FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
>> IT WAS A PLEASURE.
TAKE CARE.
BE WELL.
>> THANK YOU.
>> SPEAKING OF LAWSUITS, THE
GROUP THAT SUED TO GET THE
FEBRUARY WOLF HUNT ON THE BOOKS
MAY GO TO COURT AGAIN, THIS TIME
OVER DUELING DUELING QUOTA NUM.
LUKE HILGEMANN OFFERED A
STATEMENT ABOUT THE LOWER QUOTA
SET BY THE DNR SAYING, QUOTE,
THE NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD IS
THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE
DEPARTMENT AND WE BELIEVE THIS
MAY BE ANOTHER ILLEGAL MOVE BY
THE DNR AND THE EVERS
ADMINISTRATION TO OVERRIDE THE
WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
HUNTER NATION IS ACTIVELY
REVIEWING THIS MOVE WITH OUR
LEGAL TEAM AND WILL CONTINUE TO
LEAD THE FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THIS SEASON'S WOLF HUNT
CONTINUES AT THE 300 QUOTA
APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
>> AT THE STATE CAPITOL THIS
WEEK, ASSEMBLY AND SENATE
REPUBLICANS RELEASED A SLATE OF
PRO-HUNTING BILLS THEY'RE
CALLING THE WISCONSIN SPORTING
FREEDOM PACKAGE.
PROPOSALS INCLUDE LEGALIZING THE
HUNTING OF SANDHILL CRANES,
EASING OR ELIMINATING DNR
HUNTING REGULATIONS AND A BILL
TO ALLOW GUN OWNERS TO CONCEAL
AND FIREARM, A MEASURE TONY
EVERS IS LIKELY TO VETO.
THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED $45
MILLION IN AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN
FUNDS WILL GO TO PUBLIC
SAFETYING, INCLUDING GUN
VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND VICTIM
AID, THIS AS CITIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY ARE SEEING SHARP
INCREASES IN VIOLENT BEHAVIOR,
INCLUDING GUN VIOLENCE AND
HOMICIDES.
SO FAR IN 2021, MILWAUKEE IS ON
PACE TO SEE AN HISTORIC NUMBER
OF SHOOTING DEATHS, WITH 142
VICTIMS REPORTED THROUGH
SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
ANOTHER 671 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
INJURED IN GUN VIOLENCE.
THE GOVERNOR SAID HE IS
ALLOCATING $8 MILLION OF THE
FUNDS TO THE MILWAUKEE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT.
HE SAYS THE FUNDS WILL BE TO
RESPOND TO THE PANDEMIC-RELATED
UPTICK IN VIOLENCE AND TRAUMA T,
WITH PROJECTS THAT TAKE A PUBLIC
HEALTH APPROACH.
MARISA WOJCIK SPOKE WITH TWO
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT'S OFFICE OF VIOLENCE
PREVENTION.
>> JAMAAL, WHY EXACTLY IS THIS
PANDEMIC, WITH 2021 SET TO REACH
HISTORIC LEVELS OF HOMICIDE?
HOW EXACTLY DO WE GET FROM A
PANDEMIC TO HOMICIDE?
WHAT ARE ALL OF THE LINKAGES IN
BETWEEN?
>> THERE WAS AN EPIDEMIC OF GUN
VIOLENCE EVEN BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC HIT.
GUN VIOLENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A
DISCUSSION.
VIOLENCE AS A WHOLE HAS ALWAYS
BEEN A DISCUSSION.
AND STRATEGIES ABOUT PREVENTION
HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DISCUSSION AS
WELL.
NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD
LIKE TO SEE AS WORKING IN
PREVENTION, BUT IT HAS BEEN
THERE.
SO THEN WHEN YOU BRING ABOUT A
PANDEMIC THAT ACTUALLY
ESSENTIALLY CHANGES THE WAY OF
LIFE, RIGHT?
THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
WERE SWITCHED, A LOT OF THINGS
THAT WERE ENDED.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS THAT
PEOPLE HAD DIRECT ACCESS TO
PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC WERE TAKEN
AWAY, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT
THAT PEOPLE LOST JOBS, LOST
INCOME.
YOU KNOW, DESPERATION INCREASED,
RIGHT?
THAT IS WHAT THEN INCREASES THE
LIKELIHOOD FOR THE ANGER AND THE
FRUSTRATION THAT COMES ALONG
WITH THE ENGAGEMENT OF VIOLENCE.
SO THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE
INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT, YOU
KNOW, TRAUMA IS A VERY BIG ISSUE
THAT IS NOT DISCUSSED ON A GRAND
LEVEL, RIGHT?
THE LEVELS OF TRAUMA THAT EXIST,
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN
GUN VIOLENCE HAVE BEEN VICTIMS
DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY OF GUN
VIOLENCE, RIGHT, WHETHER THAT'S
YOU'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN OR IT'S
HAPPENED TO YOU, RIGHT?
SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE
GENERATIONAL ASPECTS OF TRAUMA
THAT A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS
EXPERIENCE, PLUS THE IMPACT OF
COMMUNITY TRAUMA AND TALKING
ABOUT THE LACK THAT IS EXISTING
WITHIN THESE COMMUNITIES THAT
ARE HIGHLY IMPACTED BY THAT GUN
VIOLENCE, RIGHT?
SO IT'S JUST SEEING THIS IS A
COMPLEX WEB THAT'S BEEN WOVEN.
WE MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE
COMPLEXITY IS THERE.
AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A HIGH
LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT FROM
MULTIPLE -- LIKE A
MULTIDISCIPLINARY ENGAGEMENT IN
ORDER FOR THIS TO REALLY BE
ADDRESSED.
THIS CAN'T JUST COME FROM ONE
ENTITY.
IT HAS TO BE MULTIDISCIPLINARY
APPROACH.
>> AND KWEKU TEANGELO, WHY ARE
MORE AND MORE OF THESE TRAGEDIES
HAPPENING TO YOUNG PEOPLE,
PARTICULARLY THOSE UNDER THE AGE
OF 18?
>> IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT AN ACCESS ISSUE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESOURCE
ISSUE FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT IDLE TIME
IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE
OPPORTUNITY FOR RECKLESS
DECISIONS TO BE MADE.
AND DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, THERE'S
BEEN A LOT OF IDLE TIME FOR OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING MORE
RISKY DECISIONS DURING THAT
TIME.
AND IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, A LOT
OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE PROBABLY
WOULD HAVE BEEN IN AGENCIES THAT
WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THEM AND
RESOURCED THEM.
AND THE REALITY IS DUE TO THE
SEVERITY OF OUR PANDEMIC THAT
WE'RE STILL IN NOW, A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES IT'S GOING TO BE
REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO
TRANSITION OUT OF UNLESS WE
REALLY START TO THINK OUT OF THE
BOX.
WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THE LARGE SPACES THAT WE HAVE
THAT WE CAN SAFELY BRING IN
GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS,
PARTICULARLY YOUNG PEOPLE, TO
ENGAGE WITH EACH OTHER IN A SAFE
WAY.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT
LEVEL OF INVESTMENT HAS NOT
OCCURRED FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, OH, OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS, OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT, WE
ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN WHAT ARE
WE NOT DOING FOR OUR YOUNG
PEOPLE.
AND IN REALITY THERE'S A LOT
THAT WE'RE NOT DOING.
>> YOU CAN WATCH THAT EXTENDED
INTERVIEW ON THE NEWS PAGE OF
OUR WEBSITE AT
pbswisconsin.org.
EVEN AS THERE COULD BE SIGNS THE
PANDEMIC IS SLOWING, SOME PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN INFECTED ARE NOW
COPING WITH POST-COVID SYNDROME,
OR LONG COVID.
WHAT IS IT?
WHO'S AT RISK?
AND WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.
FOR ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS
AND MORE, WE TURN TO DR. GREG
VANICHKACHORN, WITH A MAYO
CLINIC HEALTH SYSTEM AND THE
MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF THEIR
COVID-19 ACTIVITY REHABILITATION
PROGRAM.
HE HAS WORKED WITH MANY PATIENTS
DIAGNOSED WITH LONG COVID
SYNDROME.
HE JOINS US NOW FROM ROCHESTER,
MINNESOTA, AND, DOCTOR, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> SO HOW COMMON IS IT FOR
PEOPLE TO GET THIS LONG COVID?
>> YOU KNOW, IT IS FAIRLY
COMMON.
I WISH I COULD SAY THAT THIS IS
A RARE THING, BUT ACCORDING TO
OUR RESEARCH, ANYWHERE BETWEEN
10% AND 30% OF INDIVIDUALS WITH
COVID CAN EXPECT TO COME DOWN
WITH POST-COVID SYNDROME.
AND THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE
MEASUREMENT, UNFORTUNATELY.
>> WOW.
THAT IS A REALLY BIG NUMBER,
BIGGER THAN I DEFINITELY
UNDERSTOOD.
CAN A PERSON DEVELOP IT EVEN IF
THEY DIDN'T INITIALLY HAVE
SYMPTOMS, LIKE SAY A CHILD?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T SEE A
RELATIONSHIP NECESSARILY BETWEEN
LONG HAUL COVID SYMPTOMS AND HOW
SEVERE THE ACUTE INFECTION WAS.
IN FACT, SOME OF OUR PATIENTS
HAVEN'T HAD REALLY ANY SYMPTOMS
AND JUST FOUND OUT AFTER THE
CONTACT THROUGH THINGS LIKE
CONTACT TRACING.
AND, YES, WE HAVE SEEN THIS ALSO
OCCUR IN PEDIATRIC POPULATION AS
WELL.
>> SO WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF
THIS SYNDROME?
>> IT CAN BE QUITE NEBULOUS, BUT
THE TWO THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE
THINK ABOUT ARE FATIGUE THAT IS
QUITE PROFOUND.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, PATIENTS WILL
SAY THEY HAVE TO TAKE A THREE TO
FOUR-HOUR NAP AFTER DOING
SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS TAKING
OUT THE TRASH OR HOUSEHOLD
CHORES.
THE OTHER THING WE HEAR ABOUT IS
ONGOING SHORTNESS OF BREATH AND
IT'S NOT JUST WHEN PEOPLE ARE
DOING ACTIVITIES, BUT EVEN AT
REST.
WE SEE A LOT OF OTHER SYMPTOMS,
INCLUDING HEADACHES AND BRAIN
FOG, WHICH IS OFTEN MANIFEST
WITH THINGS LIKE TROUBLES WITH
SHORT-TERM MEMORY?
>> CAN IT BE HARD TO DIAGNOSE OR
IS IT PRETTY CLEAR TO PEOPLE
LIKE YOU, BUT WHAT ABOUT ACROSS
THE BOARD WITH PRIMARY CARE
PHYSICIANS OR SOMETHING?
>> YES.
THIS REMAINS A CHALLENGE FOR A
LOT OF PROVIDERS AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
THERE STILL ISN'T A LOT KNOWN
ABOUT THIS CONDITION.
THERE'S ALSO NO SPECIFIC
DIAGNOSTIC TEST CAN BE DONE TO
IDENTIFY THIS CONDITION.
MANY PROVIDERS ARE AT A LOSS TO
ACCURATELY DIAGNOSE THIS.
>> CAN A PERSON DEVELOP
POST-COVID SYMPTOMS AFTER A
BREAKTHROUGH CASE, EVEN AFTER A
VACCINE?
>> YES.
WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
I'VE HAD A FEW PATIENTS WHERE
PATIENTS HAVE HAD BREAKTHROUGH
INFECTIONS AND GONE ON TO HAVE
LONG COVID SYMPTOMS.
BUT FORTUNATELY THAT'S FAIR SO
FAR IN OUR EXPERIENCE HERE.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PATIENTS
THAT DO HAVE A MORE PROLONGED
CORCORCOURSE SEEM TO BE GETTING
BETTER.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY WHETHER
THE VACCINE IS WHAT'S PREVENTING
PEOPLE FROM GETTING LONG COVID.
THE AVERAGE TIME LAST YEAR WAS
ABOUT THREE MONTHS AFTER THE
INFECTION WHEN SOMEONE WOULD
COME FOR CARE.
BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP
TWO TO THREE WEEKS OUT AFTER
THEIR INFECTION TO KIND OF GET
AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM.
>> DOES IT EVER GO AWAY?
>> SOME IT DOES.
ABSOLUTELY WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE
HOPE.
WE DO SEE A GROUP OF PATIENTS
THAT GET BETTER AFTER FOUR TO
SIX MONTHS AND ABLE TO BOUNCE
BACK TO THEIR NORMAL LIVES.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO HAVE
SOME PATIENTS NOW WHO ARE A YEAR
OR MORE OUT FROM THEIR INFECTION
AND THEY'RE STILL EXPERIENCING
SYMPTOMS.
THEY ARE BETTER THAN WHEN THEY
FIRST STARTED TREATMENT, BUT IT
REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE THIS LONG
COVID ISSUE CAN BE A CHRONIC
PROBLEM.
>> WHAT IS THE TREATMENT FOR
LONG COVID?
>> WELL, THE FIRST THING THAT WE
DO FOR TREATMENT HERE IS TO MAKE
SURE THAT NOTHING ELSE IS GOING
ON THAT COULD EXPLAIN A
PATIENT'S SYMPTOMS.
THERE CAN BE SOME VERY SERIOUS
COMPCOMPLICATIONS, LIKE A BLOOD
CLOT.
SO WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE
EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
AFTER THAT IT'S MORE ABOUT
RECONDITIONING THE BODY
APPROPRIATELY AND HELPING MANAGE
THE SYMPTOMS ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS SO THAT PATIENTS CAN
PARTICIPATE IN THAT
REHABILITATION, SO TAKING CARE
OF HEADACHES, FOR EXAMPLE,
TREATING POOR SLEEP, TREATING
PAINS IN THE BODIES, ALL OF
THOSE THINGS TO MINIMIZE SO
PATIENTS CAN APPROPRIATELY
RECOVER.
WE'LL INVOLVE OUR PHYSICAL AND
OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY GROUPS TO
HELP WITH THAT.
>> THIS HAS GOT TO BE VERY
DIFFICULT FOR THE PATIENTS.
WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO PEOPLE
WHO MIGHT BE SUFFERING THESE
KINDS OF SYMPTOMS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING IS THAT IF PATIENTS ARE
SUFFERING THIS CONDITION, DON'T
BE AFRAID TO SELF-ADVOCATE FOR
YOURSELF.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE
ARE A LOT OF BARRIERS TO
INDIVIDUALS GETTING CARE.
DON'T SETTLE WITH NO FOR AN
ANSWER OR THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN
DO OUT THERE.
THERE ARE OTHER CLINICS OUT
THERE THAT ARE READY TO HELP
PATIENTS WHO ARE IN NEED.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS FOR THIS INFORMATION.
VERY IMPORTANT, DOCTOR.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME
AGAIN.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> IN POST-ELECTION NEWS, TODAY
WAS THE DAY CLERKS WERE TO HAVE
APPEARED BEFORE THE SPECIAL
COUNCIL.
BUT AFTER ISSUING SUBPOENAS,
FORMER STATE SUPREME COURT
JUSTICE MICHAEL GABLEMAN BACKED
OFF THE REQUEST FOR NOW.
THERE HAS BEEN CONFUSION OVER
THE PROCESS AND STILL THE FORMER
JUSTICE IS PRESSING AHEAD AND
LATE THIS WEEK ISSUED HIS LATEST
YOUTUBE STATEMENT.
"HERE AND NOW" REPORTER WILL
KENNEALLY HAS BEEN COVERING THE
TWISTS AND RETURNS OF THIS
REPUBLICAN RESPONSI SPONSORED P.
HE JOINS US NOW.
SO MICHAEL GABLEMAN SAYS HE WILL
DEPOSE PEOPLE NEXT FRIDAY.
IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP.
WHAT DID HE SAY?
>> WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY
TESTIMONY NEXT FRIDAY, BUT HE
SAID HE WAS GOING TO TAKE SOME
DEPOSITIONS.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
>> WHAT WAS HIS PRIMARY MESSAGE
IN HIS LATEST YOUTUBE STATEMENT?
>> HIS YOUTUBE STATEMENT CAME
OUT A FEW DAYS AGO AND THAT LAYS
OUT THE STEPS HE HAS BEEN TAKING
IN THE SUBPOENA PROCESS.
LARGELY THAT HE'S BEEN USING TO
SOLICIT DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY
FROM THE MAYORS AND ELECTION
OFFICIALS.
HE'S RECEIVED CRITICISM FROM
ATTORNEY JOURNAL JOSH KAUL WHO'S
REPRESENTING THE WISCONSIN
ELECTION COMMISSION IN THE
SUBPOENA PROCESS AND HE TOOK
GABLEMAN TO TASK OVER WHAT HE
CALLED A FLAWED SUBPOENA
PROCESS.
>> THE ONE THAT WAS ISSUED,
HOWEVER, IS DRASTICALLY OVER
OVERBROAD AND IT'S REQUESTING
HER TESTIMONY AT A SECRET
HEARING AND THAT IS IMPROPER.
IT'S OUR HOPE THAT WE WILL BE
ABLE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE AND
REACH AN AGREEMENT.
>> SO AS TO REACH AN AGREEMENT,
IT APPEARS THEY HAVE.
TO WHAT EXTENT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
SO LAWYERS WORKING WITH THE
MAYORS AND THE ELECTIONS
OFFICIALS HAVE REACHED AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE INVESTIGATORS
TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW,
BUT TO DELAY TESTIMONY TO A
FUTURE DATE.
SO TESTIMONY WILL COME.
DOCUMENTS ARE IN HAND THIS WEEK.
>> YEAH.
WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES NEXT.
BUT THE FORMER JUSTICE WANTED TO
HEAR FROM THOSE MAYORS BECAUSE
HE'S PARTICULARLY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE FACEBOOK NONPROFIT
WHICH GAVE MONEY TO WISCONSIN'S
FIVE LARGEST CITIES.
>> WHILE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
PRIVATE FUNDS MAY HAVE BEEN USED
IN THE PUBLIC MANAGEMENT OF
ELECTIONS TO ACHIEVE A PREFERRED
OUTCOME AT THE EXPENSE OF
ELECTION INTEGRITY IF INDEED
THIS OCCURRED WOULD BE THE
DEFINITION OF A BOONDOGGLE AND
MARK THE BEGINNING OF TYRANNY
AND THE END OF THE AMERICAN
EXPERIMENT IN DEMOCRACY.
>> THAT'S SOME PRETTY SOARING
RHETORIC.
HE'S SAYING THE MONEY MAY HAVE
BEEN USED FOR, QUOTE, A
PREFERRED OUTCOME.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT STEMS FROM A CONSERVATIVE
CONCERN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
DRUM UP DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT.
THIS WAS TAKEN TO COURT LAST
OCTOBER AND A FEDERAL JUDGE
RULED THAT BECAUSE THE FUNDS ARE
GOING TO ALL VOTERS, NOT
TARGETING DEMOCRATS
SPECIFICALLY, THAT IT WAS OKAY
TO GO FORWARD.
IT'S ANOTHER LEVEL OF A CONCERN
ABOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCE BEING
IMBUED INTO ELECTIONS THAT ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE LOCALLY RUN.
THE IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW HERE
IS WHILE THESE FIVE CITIES
RECEIVED AN INITIAL ROUND OF
FUNDING, A SECOND ROUND OF
FUNDING WENT TO MORE THAN 200
WISCONSIN CITIES, TOWNS AND
VILLAGES, INCLUDING CONSERVATIVE
BASTIONS LIKE WAUKESHA.
>> PITCHES PARTISAN, BUT THERE
IS A NONPARTISAN AUDIT UNDERWAY.
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE STATE'S
LEGISLATIVE AUDIT BUREAU, A
NONPARTISAN AGENCY THAT'S BEEN
WORKING FOR THE BETTER PART OF
THIS YEAR ON THE AUDIT.
THAT'S EXPECTED SOMETIME THIS
FALL, IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.
>> WILL KENNEALLY, THANKS FOR
FOLLOWING THIS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> CONNECTED TO THIS STORY, WE
UNPACKED SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN
GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION.
FORMER JUSTICE GABLEMAN GRABBED
A BLARING HEADLINE LAST WEEK
THAT READ "HEAD OF REPUBLICAN
REVIEW OF WISCONSIN ELECTIONS
SAYS HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HOW
ELECTIONS WORK."
>> DAYS LATER, ON A MILWAUKEE
RADIO PROGRAM, HE DOUBLED DOWN,
BOTH PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT
REPORTING AND REITERATING HIS
LACK OF UNDERSTANDING.
>> I, LIKE MOST PEOPLE, DO NOT
HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE
MECHANICS OF AN ELECTION WORK.
WHEN I PUT MY PAPER BALLOT INTO
THE MACHINE, I'M LEFT WITH NO
OTHER THING TO DO EXCEPT SORT OF
HOPE FOR THE BEST.
>> PLENTY OF PEOPLE DO KNOW HOW
THE MECHANICS OF AN ELECTION
WORK.
WE ASKED ONE OF THEM, ROCK
COUNTY CLERK LISA TOLLEFSON.
>> SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING,
YOU KNOW, WATCHING BALLOTS GO IN
AND CROSSING YOUR FINGERS?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE HAVE SO MANY CHECKS AND
BALANCES IN PLACE TO VERIFY THE
NUMBER OF BALLOTS MATCHES THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED.
>> BUT TO THAT DIRECT QUESTION
ABOUT BALLOTS INTO THE MACHINE.
WHAT LITERALLY HAPPENS THEN TO
THAT BALLOT?
>> SO AN IMAGE IS TAKEN OF THAT
BALLOT AND IT'S STORED UNDER THE
POLLS CLOSE ON ELECTION NIGHT.
THEY VERIFY THAT ALL OF THE
VOTERS HAVE VOTED WHO WERE IN
LINE AT 8:00.
THEY MAKE SURE ALL THE ABSENTEE
BALLOTS HAVE BEEN PROCESSED.
THEY HIT THE CLOSE POLL BUTTON
AND IT TABULATES EVERYTHING AND
CALCULATES THE VOTE.
IT RANDOMIZES THE IMAGES SO THAT
YOUR VOTE REMAINS ANONYMOUS AND
IT PRINTS OUT A REPORT.
THOSE REPORTS THAT PRINT OUT ARE
WHAT WE CERTIFY THE ELECTION OFF
OF AFTER THE ELECTION AT OUR
BOARD OF CANVASSERS.
>> THE ELECTION PROCESS BIMEDZ S
IN MULTIPLE LAYERS OF PRECISION.
IT'S BEING DESCRIBED AS KIND OF
A MYSTERY, RIGHT?
AND IT'S NOT.
>> IT'S NOT A MYSTERY.
EVERYTHING IS DONE IN THE OPEN.
>> LIKE ALL CLERKS IN WISCONSIN,
TOLLEFSON RECEIVED THIS LETTER
FROM GABLEMAN'S OFFICE OF
SPECIAL COUNSEL, REQUESTING
PRESERVATION OF ELECTION
RECORDS, WHICH SHE SAYS CLERKS
ALREADY DO.
AND, LIKE OTHERS, THE LETTER
LANDED IN HER SPAM FOLDER
BECAUSE IT CAME FROM A GMAIL
ACCOUNT.
AS TO FORMER JUSTICE GABLEMAN'S
LACK OF COMPREHENSIVE KNOWLEDGE
OF THE MECHANICS OF AN ELECTION,
TOLLEFSON SAYS HE'S WELCOME TO
GIVE HER A CALL.
>> I CAN GO ON FOR HOURS ON OUR
ELECTION PROCESS.
IN FACT, I DO.
I TEACH LOTS OF CLASSES ON IT.
SO IF HE'S GOT QUESTIONS, PLEASE
ASK.
>> AND FINALLY TONIGHT,
UW-MADISON CHANCELLOR REBECCA
BLANK ANNOUNCED THAT SHE WAS
LEAVING HER POSITION AS
CHANCELLOR AT UW-MADISON TO
BECOME THE FIRST FEMALE
PRESIDENT OF ANOTHER BIG TEN
SCHOOL, NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY,
WHERE SHE WAS ONCE AN ECONOMICS
PROFESSOR.
BLANK HAS SERVED AS CHANCELLOR
SINCE 2013.
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UW-MADISON.
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