>> THE RELENTLESS SURGE ORDERS
THE GOVERNOR TO HAVE A 25% CAP
ON ESTABLISHMENTS AND OPEN THE
FIRST OVERFLOW ALTERNATE CARE
FACILITY IN WEST ALLIS.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW" THE
LATEST ON THE CORONAVIRUS
INCLUDING THE ONGOING POLITICS
OF THE PANDEMIC.
POLL RESULTS SHOW LITTLE SHIFT
IN PEOPLE'S CHOICE FOR
PRESIDENT.
SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC
SCHULTZ REPORTS FROM THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
HOW RACES ARE TAKING SHAPE
AMONG SUBURBAN VOTERS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR OCTOBER
9th.
>> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS HOPES
NEW STATEWIDE RESTRICTIONS ON
PUBLIC INDOOR GATHERINGS WILL
HELP BRING DOWN THE RECORD
BREAKING SURGE IN COVID-19
CASES IN WISCONSIN.
THE RESTRICTIONS WENT INTO
EFFECT THURSDAY AND WILL LAST
UNTIL NOVEMBER 6th.
THE ORDER REDUCES INDOOR
GATHERINGS TO 25% CAPACITY OF
AN ESTABLISHMENT.
PLACES LIKE RETAIL STORES,
BARS, RESTAURANTS.
IT MAKES EXCEPTIONS FOR SCHOOL,
CHILDCARE SERVICES, HEALTHCARE
FACILITIES, AND GOVERNMENT
OFFICES, INCLUDING POLLING
PLACES AND ALSO EXCLUDES
CHURCHES AND POLITICAL RALLIES.
>> WE NEED EVERYONE TOGETHER TO
TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO KEEP OUR
NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES SAFE.
IT IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TO ONLY
WEAR A MASK.
WE NEED FOLKS TO TAKE FURTHER
ACTION TO HELP STOP THE SPREAD
OF THIS VIRUS.
AND FLATTEN THE CURVE.
BECAUSE HERE IS THE DEAL, FOLKS.
OUR HOSPITALS SYSTEMS ARE NOT
INVULNERABLE, EITHER.
OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS ARE
TEETERING.
>> REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP
BLASTED THE ORDER CALLING IT
ILLEGAL BECAUSE OF THE STATE
SUPREME COURT RULING THAT
INVALIDATED THE GOVERNOR'S
EARLIER SAFER ADD HOME ORDER.
WE INVITED ROBIN VOS TO JOIN US
ON THIS MATTER AND HE DECLINED
AS DID THE ASSEMBLY MAJORITY
LEADER.
HE DID SAY THIS TO THE
EMERGENCY ORDER.
WITH CASES ONCE AGAIN RISING IT
IS CLEAR THE GOVERNOR'S GO IT
ALONE GRAB BAG APPROACH RESPOND
THAN TO THE CORONAVIRUS HAS
BEEN A FAILURE.
WE MUST WORK TOGETHER, HE SAYS,
IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR BUSINESSES
OPEN AND OUR CITIZENS SAFE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A
MEETING WITH THE GOVERNOR AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE TO DISCUSS
ANSWERS TO DEAL WITH THE VIRUS,
ESPECIALLY SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T
RESULT IN FAMILIES GOING
BANKRUPT AND THOUSANDESQUE S --
THOUSANDS BEING ADDED TO THE
UNEMPLOYMENT LINES.
THE STATE LEGISLATURE HASN'T
BEEN IN SESSION TO PUT ITS OWN
RULES IN PLACE IN RESPONSE TO
THE PANDEMIC AND THE REPUBLICAN
MAJORITY IS SUING TO OVERTOOURN
THE GOVERNOR'S STATEWIDE MASK
MANDATE.
A JOINT LEGISLATIVE RULES
COMMITTEE WILL MEET MONDAY TO
TRY TO OVERTURN THE MASK
GATHERING ORDER IN THE GRIPS OF
A SURGE IN COVID CASES AND THE
STATE WILL OPEN A FIELD
HOSPITAL AT STATE PARK.
THE ALTERNATIVE CARE FACILITY
OPENS WEDNESDAY AS OVERFLOWS
FOR HOSPITALS ACROSS THE STATE.
OUR NEXT GUEST SAYS
UNFORTUNATELY MORE PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO DIE BEFORE
POLICYMAKERS ACCEPT WE NEED
LAWS TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY OF OUR STATE.
DR. PATRICK REMINGTON IS
PROFESSOR AT THE DEPARTMENT OF
POPULATION HEALTH SCIENCES AT
UW-MADISON.
HE JOINS US NOW AND THANKS VERY
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE, THANKS.
>> HOW SHOCKING TO YOU ARE THE
NUMBERS OF POSITIVE CASES
WISCONSIN IS NOW SEEING TOPPING
3,000 DAY OVER DAY?
>> WELL, WHEN I LOOKED AT
MODELS IN THE EARLY PART OF THE
YEAR IN APRIL AND MAY PEOPLE
WERE NOT PREDICTING SUCH A HIGH
NUMBER OF DEATHS BUT OVER THE
SUMMER AS BUSINESSES OPENED UP
AND PEOPLE RESUMED WHAT MIGHT
BE CONSIDERED NORMAL
ACTIVITIES, BUT ARE NOW KNOWN
AS HIGH-RISK ACTIVITIES, MODELS
BEGAN TO PREDICT THIS.
SO REALLY PEOPLE WHO STUDY
COVID-19 AND TRANSMISSION SAW
THIS COMING AND I DON'T THINK
THEY SAW THAT WISCONSIN WOULD
BE ONE OF THE TOP STATES FOR
THE INCIDENCE BUT THEY
CERTAINLY SAW THAT THERE WOULD
BE CONTINUED COMMUNITY
TRANSMISSION AND INCREASING
NUMBERS OF DEATHS.
>> THE SECRETARY DESIGNATED THE
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES
SAID SHE BELIEVES IT WILL GET
WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER.
IS THAT YOUR SUPPOSITION AS
WELL?
>> YEAH.
THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT THE
TRANSMISSION THAT WE'RE SEEING
IS SUSTAINED.
IT IS GETTING COLDER.
PEOPLE ARE MOVING INDOORS TO
PLACES IN WISCONSIN THAT ARE
QUITE POPULAR FOR GATHERING
INDOORS.
PLACES LIKE TAVERNS AND BARS.
AND THOSE PLACES ARE REALLY
HIGH RISK.
THEY HAVE OFTEN POOR
VENTILATION WITH PEOPLE IN
CLOSE CRAMPED QUARTERS AND ALSO
SPEAKING LOUDLY AND DOING
THINGS THAT WE KNOW INCREASE
THE RISK OF TRANSMISSION.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE
WORST OF IT AS EVIDENCED OVER
THE WEEKEND.
THE GREATEST NUMBER OF CASES
REPORTED AND OUR NEW AVERAGE
NUMBER OF DEATHS IS THE HIGHEST
IT'S EVER BEEN.
>> HOW FEARFUL SHOULD WE BE
ABOUT THIS?
>> WELL, I THINK TWO ANSWERS.
ONE IS INDIVIDUALLY I THINK YOU
CAN CONTROL YOUR OWN RISK.
CERTAINLY IF YOU ARE ABLE TO
STAY AT HOME FOR MOST OF THE
TIME, THEN YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE
MADE A SAFE DECISION AND YOU
HAVE ELIMINATED THE RISK OF
BECOMING INFECTED.
MANY OF US CAN'T DO THAT,
ESPECIALLY ESSENTIAL WORKERS
AND SO I THINK SAFE PRACTICES,
BEING OUTDOORS AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE.
WHEN YOU ARE INDOORS OR CAN'T
KEEP SIX FEET OF DISTANCE
BETWEEN YOU AND OTHERS, WEARING
A MASK.
NOT JUST TO PROTECT YOURSELF
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO PROTECT
OTHERS IN CASE YOU ARE SICK AND
DON'T KNOW IT.
MANY PEOPLE -- MOST PEOPLE, IN
FACT, TRANSMIT THE VIRUS BEFORE
THEY HAVE SYMPTOMS AND MANY
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SYMPTOMS AT
ALL.
SO THE KEY PART OF THE MASK IS
PROTECTING OTHERS IN CASE YOU
ARE SICK AND DON'T KNOW IT.
>> IN A PERFECT PUBLIC HEALTH
WORLD, WHAT SHOULD WISCONSIN BE
DOING TO CONTROL THIS
UNCONTROLLABLE SPREAD OF
COVID-19 RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, I THINK UNIVERSAL MASK
USE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN
RESEARCH STUDIES AND LOOKING
AROUND THE WORLD AS BEING ABLE
TO CUT IN HALF THE NUMBER OF
INFECTIONS THAT WE'RE PREDICTED
TO SEE.
THE FIRST THING IS JUST ACCEPT
THIS AS THE NEW SOCIAL NORM.
I HOPE IT WON'T LAST FOREVER
BUT IT IS GOING TO LAST FOR
MONTHS AND MAYBE YEARS.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST BECOME
ACCUSTOMED TO WEARING MASKS
WHEN INDOORS.
CERTAINLY.
I EVEN SEE PEOPLE MORE AND MORE
WEARING MASKS OUTDOORS ALTHOUGH
THAT MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY.
IF YOU ARE MORE THAN SIX FEET
AWAY AND OUTDOORS.
I THINK IT'S BECOMING NORMAL.
BECOMING THE NORMAL THING TO DO.
SO THAT ALONE CAN REDUCE THE
RISK OF TRANSMISSION.
>> WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO
POLICYMAKERS?
>> WELL FIRST OF ALL, LOOK TO
THE SIGNS.
I THINK THERE IS GOOD RESEARCH
HAPPENING.
DON'T DOUBT WHEN SCIENCE
EVOLVES AND WE LEARN MORE
THINGS.
PEOPLE ARE DOUBTING MASKS
BECAUSE AT ONE TIME IN FEBRUARY
AND MARCH THE GENERAL
ASSESSMENT WAS THAT MASKS
WEREN'T VERY EFFECTIVE.
BUT WE'VE LEARNED MORE SINCE.
I THINK INFORMED POLICY BY THE
BEST AVAILABLE RESEARCH, LISTEN
TO YOUR SCIENTISTS AND
EPIDEMIOLOGISTS.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
SERVICES HAS AMAZING STAFF BOTH
STATE AND PUBLIC HEALTH
DEPARTMENT LEVEL.
LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS AND
RESPOND WITH A POLICY THAT IS
EVIDENCE-BASED.
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE
SUPER SPREADER EVENTS IN
WASHINGTON EVEN AS WISCONSIN
FACES ITS OWN UNCONTROLLED
SPREAD?
>> WELL, THERE IS AN ATLANTIC
MONTHLY ARTICLE THAT TALKS
ABOUT 80/20.
80% OF THE INFECTIONS ARE
SPREAD BY 20% OF THE PEOPLE.
CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY
TO SPREAD THE DISEASE AND THERE
ARE HIGH RISK INDOOR
ENVIRONMENTS POORLY VENTILATED
LIKE A BAR OR TAVERN.
WE NEED TO AVOID THOSE SETTINGS.
THOSE BECOME SUPER SPREADER
EVENTS AND I THINK WE'RE HAVING
THOSE IN WISCONSIN.
IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE
STATE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE
HIGHEST RATES OF INFECTION IN
THE COUNTRY.
WE JUST NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT
AVOIDING THOSE SETTINGS AND
INDIVIDUALLY ENGAGING IN SAFE
PRACTICES.
>> WHERE DO THE POLITICS OF
THIS PANDEMIC LEAVE THE AVERAGE
CITIZEN?
>> I THINK POLITICS GENERALLY,
THE REPUBLICANS AND
CONSERVATIVES LIKE SMALL
GOVERNMENT AND DEMOCRATS AND
LIBERALS ARE IN FAVOR OF
GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.
I THINK THIS IS A PLACE WHERE
IN PUBLIC HEALTH WE UNDERSTAND
THAT WE DO NEED SOME RULES.
WE BANNED SMOKING INDOORS IN
RESTAURANTS AND BARS ALMOST A
DECADE AGO AND THAT NOW SEEMS
VERY REASONABLE.
IT IS A GOVERNMENT LAW.
IT DID INFRINGE ON INDIVIDUAL'S
RIGHTS TO SMOKE IN INDOOR
ENVIRONMENTS BUT NOW WE CAN'T
EVEN IMAGINE A TIME WHEN PEOPLE
SMOKED FREELY IN BARS AND
RESTAURANTS.
I THINK THE SAME APPLIES TO
GOING INDOORS WITHOUT A MASK.
IT IS ALMOST LIKE SMOKING
INDOORS.
BY NOT WEARING A MASK INDOORS
YOU ARE INCREASING THE RISK TO
OTHERS.
SO I THINK RULES THAT FOLLOW
THAT MODEL OF CLEAN INDOOR AIR
ARE VERY REASONABLE AND
SHOULDN'T BE A PARTISAN ISSUE.
>> WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE.
DR. PAT REMINGTON, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> ELECTION NEWS THIS WEEK'S
MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL
RESULTS.
THE SURVEY WAS TAKEN AFTER THE
FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND
WHILE WISCONSINITES CONSIDERED
THE NEWS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
CORONAVIRUS INFECTION.
CHARLES FRANKLIN JOINS US NOW
TO GO OVER THE RESULT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
SO YOUR POLLING SHOWS A 1 POINT
SHIFT IN MARGIN SINCE EARLY
SEPTEMBER.
>> WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE SHIFT.
IT IS A FIVE POINT BIDEN LEAD
THIS MONTH.
IT WAS FOUR POINTS IN SEPTEMBER.
IF YOU GO BACK TO MAY, THE
BIDEN HAS LED IN ALL OF THEM
BUT BY FOUR, SIX, FIVE, FOUR,
AND NOW FIVE AGAIN.
EASY SUMMARY WOULD BE FIVE
PERCENT PLUS OR MINUS ONE.
>> YOU SAID IT'S THE PHENOMENAL
STORY OF THIS ADMINISTRATION
THAT THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE
GIGANTIC IMPACTS DON'T.
WHY IS THIS EVEN AFTER THE
DEBATE AND THE COVID DIAGNOSIS?
>> I THINK ONE PART OF THE
STORY, OF COURSE, IS PARTISAN
POLARIZATION AND WE HAVE SUCH
STRONG VIEWS OF TRUMP.
30 TO 35% SAY THEY STRONGLY
APPROVE OF THE JOB HE IS DOING.
45 TO 48% SAY THEY STRONGLY
DISAPPROVE.
SO THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
BUT I DO THINK THE OTHER THING
IS AS WE'VE SEEN MAJOR EVENT
AFTER MAJOR EVENT, NONE OF THEM
HAVE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED THE
VIEWS OF THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE
THE PRESIDENT HASN'T CHANGED
MUCH IN RESPONSE TO THOSE.
AND SO TRUMP IS TRUMP.
THE CONSISTENCY OF THE IMAGE HE
PRESENTS, THE STYLE HE ADOPTS,
AND THE THINGS HE SAYS HAVE
BEEN CONSISTENT AS WE'VE GONE
THROUGH ALL THE VARIOUS EVENTS
AND CRISES OF THE LAST FOUR
YEARS.
AND SO IN THAT SENSE THERE HAS
BEEN NO MOMENT WHEN HE LOOKS
LIKE A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN HE
HAD BEEN BEFORE.
INCLUDING HIS ILLNESS THIS
WEEKEND.
>> TRUE ENOUGH.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THAT
UNDECIDED NUMBER OF 8%?
>> IT'S HALF OR LESS OF WHAT IT
WAS FOUR YEARS AGO.
SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACT
THAT IT IS A LESS VOLATILE
ELECTORATE AND LESS UNDECIDED
ELECTORATE THAN FOUR YEARS AGO.
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHO THOSE FOLKS
ARE, THEY THE END TO BE
NONPARTISAN, DON'T LEAN TO
EITHER PARTY.
THEY THE END TO NOT APPROVE OF
THE JOB TRUMP IS DOING BUT THEY
ALSO THE END TO NOT LIKE JOE
BIDEN VERY MUCH.
AND SO THAT IS A QUESTION OF
WILL THEY STAY HOME, WILL THEY
VOTE THIRD PARTY, OR WILL IN
THE END THEY COME BACK TO ONE
CANDIDATE OR THE OTHER?
BUT AS OF NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE
THEY ARE FAIRLY EVENLY DIVIDED.
A LOT OF THEM SIMPLY REFUSE TO
BE PUSHED TOWARDS ONE CANDIDATE
OR ANOTHER.
ABOUT 60% OF THOSE UNDECIDED
FOLKS WHEN WE PUSHED THEM SAY
NO I REALLY AM UNDECIDED.
>> YOU SPOKE TO THIS A MOMENT
AGO BUT THE PRESIDENT'S OVERALL
JOB APPROVAL NUMBERS ARE UNDER
WATER, 52% DISPROVING TO 44%
APPROVING AND YET HE HAS GOOD
APPROVAL ON THE ECONOMY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'VE SEEN THIS CONSISTENTLY
THROUGHOUT HIS TERM AND
CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST SIX
MONTHS HE HAS BEEN ABOUT 8%
MORE DISAPPROVE THAN APPROVE AS
WE ARE NOW OR SOMETIMES 10 BUT
THE ECONOMY DOES REMAIN THE
STRONG SUIT.
51% APPROVE OF THE JOB HE IS
DOING THERE.
COMPARED TO JUST 41% ON THE
CORONAVIRUS AND 37% ON HANDLING
PROTESTS.
SO THE ECONOMY IS THE TRONG
SUIT.
>> LET'S LOOK AT TONY EVERS
CORONAVIRUS APPROVAL AND
DISAPPROVAL NUMBERS.
56% APPROVE OF HOW HE IS
HANDLING THE PANDEMIC.
WHAT DO YOU THINK EXPLAINS
THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIS
LOWEST APPROVAL SINCE MARCH?
>> YOU'RE RIGHT.
IN MARCH HE SHOT UP TO A
PHENOMENAL 76% ON HANDLING
COVID.
THIS WAS A PHENOMENON WE SAW
ACROSS THE COUNTRIES.
GOVERNORS IN MOST STATES GOT
REALLY HIGH MARKS FOR THEIR
INITIAL RESPONSE.
THAT SUPPORT HAS FALLEN OFF IN
THE MONTHS SINCE.
THOUGH WITH EVERS IT'S STILL
SOLIDLY NET POSITIVE.
I THINK PART OF IT IS SIMPLY
THAT GOVERNORS WERE PROACTIVE
IN DEALING WITH THE VIRUS BUT
THERE HAVE BEEN DISAGREEMENTS
WITH THEM OVER THAT.
WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP HE ONLY
HIT A HIGH OF 51% APPROVAL ON
CORONAVIRUS IN MARCH.
AND HAS FALLEN OFF, AS I SAID,
DOWN TO 41% NOW.
NEVER AS HIGH AS THE GOVERNORS
GOT.
>> SPEAKING OF BEING PROACTIVE,
THE MASK MANDATE HAS 72%
SUPPORT.
A BIG NUMBER EVEN AS
REPUBLICANS ARE IN COURT TRYING
TO OVERTURN IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE
POLITICAL SCIENCE OF TURNING A
PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS PARTISAN
IN THIS WAY?
>> IT IS SORT OF STRIKING THAT
IT HAS BECOME AS PARTISAN AS IT
IS.
IN THIS MONTH'S POLL, THOUGH,
WE SAW NEAR UNANIMITY AMONG
DEMOCRATS.
98% SUPPORTED THE MASKS.
66% OF INDEPENDENTS.
BUT AMONG REPUBLICANS IT WAS AN
EVEN SPLIT 47 TO 48 OR 49.
SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF POLITICAL
ISSUES WILL SEE 80% OF ONE
PARTY GOING THE OTHER BUT
REPUBLICANS EVENLY DIVIDED HERE.
SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A BALANCE
WITHIN THE GOP THAN WHAT YOU
SEE IN COURT.
AND THE ARGUMENTS THAT ELECTED
REPUBLICANS MAKE IN A MUCH MORE
CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNOR'S MASK
MANDATE.
VERY FEW ELECTED REPUBLICANS
THAT I'VE HEARD ARE SUPPORTING
THAT MANDATE.
BUT THEIR RANK AND FILE ARE
EVENLY SPLIT ON THE ISSUE.
>> YOU KNOW YOUR NUMBERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAD MORE SLIDES WE WANTED TO
GET TO BUT WE CAN'T DO IT TODAY.
CHARLES FRANKLIN, YOU WILL BE
BACK THE LAST WEEK OF THIS
MONTH WITH YOUR FINAL POLL
BEFORE THE ELECTION.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
>> IN THIS NEWS ON ELECTION
RETURNS A FEDERAL APPEALS COURT
LATE THIS WEEK RULED THAT
ABSENTEE BALLOTS MUST BE
DELIVERED TO WISCONSIN ELECTION
CLERKS BY 8:00 P.M. ON ELECTION
DAY TO BE COUNTED.
THEY PUT ON HOLD AN EARLIER
RULING THAT EXTENDED THE
DEADLINE BY SIX DAYS.
WISCONSIN ELECTIONS COMMISSION
SAYS ELECTION CLERKS ARE USED
TO LAST-MINUTE CHANGES BY NOW.
>> WE'RE A WELL-OILED MACHINE
WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE WE
HAVE TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO
OUR LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS.
AGAIN, SOMETHING WE HAVE HAD A
LOT OF PRACTICE IN AND ARE ABLE
TO PULL TOGETHER THAT GROUP OF
PEOPLE.
>> THE MILWAUKEE COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY THIS WEEK
DECIDED NOT TO CRIMINALLY
CHARGE A WAUWATOSA POLICE
OFFICER WITH SHOOTING AND
KILLING 17-YEAR-OLD ALVIN COLE
OUTSIDE MAYFAIR MALL IN
FEBRUARY.
THE OFFICER HAS SHOT AND KILLED
THREE PEOPLE IN THE LINE OF
DUTY IN FIVE YEARS.
D.A. CHRIS HOME STATED COLE DID
NOT SURRENDER A WEAPON AND SHOT
ABOUT THE OFFICER.
CHISHOLM SAID THERE IS
SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THE OFFICER
HAD AN ACTUAL SUBJECTIVE BELIEF
THAT DEADLY FORCE WAS NECESSARY
AND IT WAS REASONABLE.
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR HIRED
BY THE CITY SAID THE OFFICER
SHOULD BE FIRED.
MARISSA REPORTS ON REACTIONS
OPPOSED TO CHISHOLMS DECISION.
>> THE FAMILY CALLED FOR THE
OFFICER TO BE FIRED AND
CRIMINALLY CHARGE.
>> AT THIS TIME CHISHOLM DID
NOT JUSTIFY MY SON'S MURDER BY
JOSEPH MENSAH.
CHISHOLM DID NOT SAY THE
SHOOTING WAS JUSTIFIED AND
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE NORMALLY FOR THESE
THINGS IF HE BELIEVES THAT HE
WILL SAY THAT.
>> PROTESTORS IN MILWAUKEE
WALKED THE STREETS THURSDAY FOR
WHAT THEY SAY IS ANOTHER
MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE.
>> WHEN IS FACTS HAVE BEEN PUT
IN NOT IN POLICY AND PROCEDURE
OF WAUWATOSA POLICE DEPARTMENT
OR EVEN IN THE BEST INTEGRITY
OF A POLICE OFFICER.
I'M CONCERNED FOR US TO HAVE A
DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN
IN PLACE FOR 20 YEARS WHO IS
SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXPERT AT
THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
TO RENDER NO CRIMINAL CHARGES
AND HE IS STILL FINDS THE
SHOOTING UNJUSTIFIED.
IT IS NOT JUSTICE.
>> WHEN YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR
SYSTEMIC CHANGE YOU SHOULD
EXPECT THAT SYSTEM TO GIVE YOU
EVERY BIT OF RESISTANCE AND
OPPOSITION, TO REALLY SHIFT THE
FOUNDATION OF THAT SYSTEM AND
WE KNOW THAT CURRENTLY OUR
SYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND
POLICING IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO
BLACK LIVES OR ACCOUNTABLE TO
THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND WE'RE
DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN THE
MAKE THAT SHIFT.
>> I THINK THAT OFFICER MENSAH
WAS NOT FIT FOR DUTY AFTER THE
FIRST SHOOTING.
AND NOW THERE HAS BEEN TWO MORE
SINCE THEN AND IT IS JUST TIME.
IT'S TIME.
THE PEOPLE ARE TIRED AND THEY
WILL MAKE THEIR VOICES KNOWN
AND NOT STOP UNTIL OUR
OFFICIALS LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
>> THE NIGHT OF THE CHARGING
DECISION BROUGHT DEMONSTRATIONS
AND PROTESTS TO WAUWATOSA.
THE GOVERNOR ACTIVATED THE
NATIONAL GUARD TO HELP LOCAL
POLICE IN THEIR RESPONSE.
POLICE LINES AND TEAR GAS MET
PEOPLE PROTESTING THE DEATH OF
ALVIN COLE.
STARK LINES BETWEEN THE CALLS
FOR LAW AND ORDER AND PEOPLE
CALLING FOR RACIAL JUSTICE.
THIS HAPPENING IN A MILWAUKEE
SUBURB GRAPPLING WITH THOSE
VERY ISSUES IN AN ELECTION RACE
FOR THE STATE ASSEMBLY WHERE
REDISTRICTING DREW IT UP AS A
REPUBLICAN SEAT BUT A DEMOCRAT
WON THERE TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE CITY OF WAUWATOSA MAKES UP
A SWING PART OF THE DISTRICT.
THE REPUBLICAN HOPING TO WIN
THE SEAT MAKES PLAIN HER LAW
AND ORDER PLATFORM.
>> DEMOCRAT BURST ONTO
WISCONSIN EAST POLITICAL SCENE
IN 2018 WHEN SHE ONE THE
GENERALLY REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.
>> PEOPLE MATTER.
THAT'S AT THE CORE.
IN 2018 WE BROKE THE RECORD OF
NUMBERS OF DOORS KNOCKED.
>> THE 14th RUNS EAST/WEST AND
CONTAINS PARTS OF THE MILWAUKEE
SUMMERS OF WAUWATOSA AND
BROOKFIELD.
SHE WON THE SEAT BY 138 VOTES
AND SHE HAD TO APPEAL TO ALL
VOTERS.
>> WE RAN A CAMPAIGN LAST TIME
FOCUSED ON PEOPLE.
DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR ME.
INDEPENDENTS VOTED FOR ME.
REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR ME.
>> THE QUESTION FOR VINEING IS
WHETHER THEY CAN KEEP THE
COALITION TOGETHER.
>> HOW DID I DO MY JOB FOR THE
FIRST 15 MONTHS BEFORE THERE
WAS A PANDEMIC?
HOW HAVE I DONE MY JOB AS A
LEGISLATOR DURING THE PANDEMIC?
BONNIE LEE.
RUNNING FOR STATE ASSEMBLY.
>> BONNIE LEE SAYS SHE RESPECTS
THE WORK ROBIN PUT IN TO GET
ELECTED BUT SHE NEEDS TO BE
REPLACED.
>> I BELIEVE THAT I REPRESENT
THIS DISTRICT ACTUALLY A LITTLE
BIT MORE ACCURATELY.
>> LEE SAYS THERE IS ONE CORE
ISSUE THAT VOTERS IN THE
SUBURBS ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> REALLY, AFTER ABOUT THE LAST
COUPLE OF MONTHS THIS ISSUE HAS
COME TO THE TOP.
THERE IS NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY
THAT I DON'T TALK WITH SOMEBODY
WHO SAYS WE ARE THINKING OF
LEAVING.
IN PARTICULAR WAUWATOSA,
MILWAUKEE.
THAT'S HOW COMMUNITIES DIE.
WE CAN'T HAVE THAT HAPPEN HERE.
>> BONNIE LEE IS NOT THE ONLY
REPUBLICAN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
DONALD TRUMP SPENT THE SUMMER
CAMPAIGNING ON LAW AND ORDER IN
RESPONSE TO THE PROTESTS
AGAINST POLICE SHOOTINGS THAT
POPPED UP AROUND THE COUNTRY.
>> WE ARE TOW FOR LAW AND ORDER.
EVERYBODY WANTS LAW AND ORDER.
>> PUBLIC SAFETY, LAW AND ORDER
AS THE PRESIDENT WOULD SAY IS
SORT OF GOING TO BE FRONT AND
CENTER ON THE BALLOT IN
NOVEMBER.
>> ANDREW IS CHAIRMAN OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY OF WISCONSIN
AND SAYS THE SHOOTING OF JACOB
BLAKE IN KENOSHA AND SUBSEQUENT
PROTESTS AND THE FIRES AND THE
KILLING OF TWO PEOPLE WERE A
TURNING POINT IN THE STATE.
>> WHAT HAPPENED IN KENOSHA IS
UNFORTUNATE BUT IT DID REFOCUS
A LITTLE BIT THIS RACE, AT
LEAST FOR WISCONSIN.
>> TRUMP HAS FUELED THE
VIOLENCE AND CHEERED ON
VIGILANTE WHO CAME TO KENOSHA
AND SHOT TOO PEOPLE DID.
>> THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY OF WISCONSIN.
>> I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE
FOOLING THEMSELVES IF THEY
THINK THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE CAST
THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING UNDER
DONALD TRUMP.
>> DONALD TRUMP IS NOT RUNNING
FOR STATE ASSEMBLY IN WAUWATOSA
BUT HIS PRESENCE LOOMS OVER
EVERY RACE DOWN THE BALLOT.
>> WE HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN GOING ON THAT'S PRETTY
POLARIZING ON BOTH SIDES.
>> ACROSS THE COUNTRY 2018 SAW
SUBURBS THAT WERE ONCE
REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS TURN
BLUE.
IN WISCONSIN, ROBIN VINEING WAS
THE ONLY DEMOCRAT TO ACCOMPLISH
THAT.
>> THE SUBURBS HAVE CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY.
>> THE ASSEMBLY MINORITY LEADER
HOPES TO EXPAND ON HEROIN. --
HER WIN.
>> I THINK THERE IS A ROADMAP
AND WE HAVE CANDIDATES THAT
REFLECT THE MODEL AND THE STYLE
THAT REPRESENTATIVE VINEING HAS
DEMONSTRATED IS SUCCESSFUL.
>> FOR HER PART SHE SAYS THERE
IS NO MAGIC FORMULA.
>> THE FORMULA THAT MATTERS IS
THAT THE COMMUNITY RISES UP AND
CLAIMS THE SEAT.
HOW THAT HAPPENS IS GOING TO BE
DIFFERENT IN EVERY COMMUNITY,
RIGHT?
I'M RUNNING FOR STATE ASSEMBLY
IN THIS DISTRICT.
>> BONNIE LEE SAYS THE DISTRICT
DIDN'T RISE UP AGAINST
REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE DIDN'T
CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
SHE SAID THE 14th STARTED
VOTING DEMOCRATIC WHEN
DEMOCRATS MOVED OUT OF
MILWAUKEE.
>> I SEE THAT HERE IN WAUWATOSA.
IT USED TO BE THAT IF YOU WERE
A CITY WORKER YOU MUST LIVE IN
THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE.
AND THEN THAT WAS LIFTED AND
PLENTY OF PEOPLE MOVED IN TO
WAUWATOSA.
QUITE A FEW OF THOSE WERE
EDUCATORS WITH THE TEACHERS
UNION.
>> NOT ALWAYS ABOUT
PARTISANSHIP.
PEOPLE VOTE FOR PEOPLE VERSUS
PARTY.
I THINK HONESTLY, I THINK
THAT'S THE TRENDS.
>> WHETHER SHE HAS MADE THE
14th A TRUE SWING DISTRICT
REMAINS TO BE SEEN IN NOVEMBER.
THE FACT IS, THE 14th WAS
CREATED TO ELECT REPUBLICANS.
COURT DOCUMENTS FROM
REDISTRICTING LAWSUITS SHOW
REPUBLICANS DREW THE 14th
ASSEMBLY LINES SO THE VOTER
MAKEUP WAS BETWEEN 57 AND 59%
REPUBLICAN.
IN THE YEARS DEMOCRATS PUT UP A
CHALLENGER THE REPUBLICAN
RECEIVED 57% AND 59% OF THE
VOTE.
BUT IN 2018 THE REPUBLICAN
RECEIVED 48% OF THE VOTES AND
ROBIN VINEING RECEIVED 138 MORE
THAN THAT.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE AS
POLARIZED AS WE THINK WE ARE.
THAT DEMOCRATS LIVE IN ONE AREA
AND REPUBLICANS LIVE IN ONE
AREA.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE VOTE FOR
BOTH PARTIES.
>> REPORTING FROM WAUWATOSA,
I'M ZAC SCHULTZ FOR "HERE AND
NOW."
>> COMING UP NEXT WEEK ZAC
SHOWS YOU WHY REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS HAVE SUCH DIFFERENT
APPROACHES TO CAMPAIGNING IN
THE COVID ERA AND WHAT THAT
MIGHT MEAN FOR TURNING OUT THE
VOTE.
YOU'LL FIND MORE REPORTING ON
COVID DEVELOPMENTS IN WISCONSIN
BY VISITING OUR PARTNERS.
THAT IS OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
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