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>>> A PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION.
THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF
OUR HERE AND NOW 2020 ELECTION
COVERAGE.
>>> I'M ZAC SCHULTZ, FILLING IN
FOR FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT, ON HERE AND NOW,
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY CANDIDATE
MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG, IS HERE.
HE WILL TOUT THE BIDEN/HARRIS
TICKET THIS AWAITS NOMINATION
NEXT WEEK.
MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL LAW SCHOOL
CHARLES FRANKLIN HAS THE LATEST
STATE NUMBERS ON THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND THE RETURN
TO THE HERE AND NOW POLITICAL
PANEL ON THE EVE OF THE
CONVENTIONS WE WELCOME BACK BILL
MCCOSHEN AND SCOT ROSS.
IT'S HERE AND NOW FOR AUGUST 14th.
>>> FUNDING FOR HERE AND NOW IS
PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
WISCONSIN.
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>>> YOUR NEXT VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, KAMALA
HARRIS.
KAMALA.
>> ITS OFFICIAL CALIFORNIA U.S.
SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS WILL BE
THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR VICE
PRESIDENT.
JOE BIDEN INTRODUCED HER FROM
THE WILMINGTON, DELAWARE HIGH
SCHOOL.
WHILE THE CANDIDATES AND
CONVENTION SPEAKERS WILL NOT
TAKE THE PODIUM NEXT WEEK CONVEX
CONVENTION SPEAKERS WILL APPEAR
NIGHTLY INCLUDING MAYOR PETE
BUTTIGIEG.
MAYOR BUTTIGIEG JOINS US FROM
SOUTH BEND.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> WHAT YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF
KAMALA HARRIS AS JOE BIDEN'S
RUNNING MATE?
>> I THINK SHE'S BE A GREAT
RUNNING MATE AND A GREAT VICE
PRESIDENT.
YOU LEARN A LOT ABOUT SOMEONE
WHEN YOU ARE COMPETING OVER THE
COURSE OF A YEAR.
I HAVE SEEN HER INTELLECT, I
HAVE SEEN HER COMPASSION.
SHE'S SOMEBODY THAT REALLY
UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S AT STAKE AND
BEEN SO EFFECTIVE IN THE SENATE
ITS A GREAT CHOICE ON THE VICE
PRESIDENT'S PART.
>> WE'RE ON THE EVE OF A VIRTUAL
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.
THE PEOPLE OF MILWAUKEE ARE
CRUSHED THAT NO ONE WILL BE
HERE.
IS THERE STILL ANYTHING IN THIS
CONVENTION FOR THEM?
>> I KNOW WHAT OF COURSE I FEEL
THE SAME WAY.
I WAS DELIGHTED BY THE DECISION
TO HOST OUR DEMOCRATIC
CONVENTION IN THE MIDWEST.
BECAUSE I THINK IT SENDS AN
IMPORTANT MESSAGE. I DO THINK
THAT YOU KNOW THE NAME OF
MILWAUKEE, AND THE THEMES OF
THAT REALLY PROPELLED THE PARTY
TO HOST THE CONVENTION
>> THERE THAT'S GOING TO
CONTINUE TO BE HEARD AND ON OUR
HEARTS ALL WEEK.
OF COURSE WE WISH WE WERE
GATHERING IN PERSON.
THIS IS A DECISION, A TOUGH ONE
MADE OUT OF THE RESPECT FOR THE
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF PEOPLE FROM
AROUND THE COUNTRY AND CERTAINLY
IN MILWAUKEE.
WITH CONTRAST THAT WITH THE
DECISION TO REALLY ENDANGER THE
LIVES OF OKLAHOMANS.
WHEN THE PRESIDENT THOUGHT IT
WAS OKAY TO HOST AN INDOOR RALLY
AS CORONA VIRUS CASES WERE
SPIKING.
THIS IS THESE ARE THE TIMES WE
LIVE IN AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE,
BUT, I DON'T THINK IT TAKES A
WAY FROM THE SYMBOLIC RESPONSE
OF REACHING OUT TO WISCONSIN, TO
OUR PART OF THE COUNTRY OVERALL
AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT
REFLECTED IN MANY WAYS
THROUGHOUT THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
>> NOW YOU MENTIONED THIS WHILE
THE DEMOCRATS AREN'T COMING
REPUBLICANS ARE.
DONALD TRUMP HAS ANNOUNCED PLANS
TO BE IN OSHKOSH, WISCONSIN ON
MONDAY NIGHT.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL VOTERS
HERE?
>> WELL AGAIN, IF HE'S PLANNING
TO GATHER IN A WAY THAT'S
UNSAFE, THEN WHAT IT TELLS
VOTERS IS THAT HE DOESN'T
RESPECT THEM.
YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS, THAT I
THINK THERE'S A BASIC LEVEL OF
REGARD THAT THIS PRESIDENT JUST
DOESN'T HAVE FOR THE SAFETY OF
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND EVEN FOR
HIS OWN SUPPORT.
YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT THEY
INSISTED THAT PEOPLE GO TO HIS
RALLIES SIGNED A WAIVER IN CASE
THEY GET INFECTED EVEN WHILE HE
IS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BE
SAFE TELLS YOU JUST THE
MENTALITY HERE.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, OF COURSE
THE PRESIDENT ALSO RECOGNIZES
THAT HIS RELEX REELECTION
DEPENDS IN PART ON VOTES IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT
FOR US TO CONTINUE REACHING OUT
WITH THE MESSAGE THAT JOE BIDEN
IS THE PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY
CARES ABOUT US.
HE'S SOMEBODY THAT UNDERSTANDS
WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO GET OUR
ECONOMY BACK ON ITS FEET.
SOMEBODY THAT WILL LISTEN TO
DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS IN ORDER
TO GET US OUT FROM THIS PANDEMIC
AND SOMEBODY WHO WILL REVERSE
THE DISASTROUS DECISIONS THAT
THIS PRESIDENT HAS MADE THAT
HAVE BROUGHT AGRICULTURE IN OUR
COUNTRY TO ITS KNEES.
WOE JUST CAN'T TAKE FOUR MORE
YEARS OF THIS.
>> YOU ARE ON THE DNC TO SPEAK.
CAN AN ONLINE CONVENTION STILL
INSPIRE AND ENERGIZE VOTERS.
>> OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE
DIFFERENT THIS YEAR.
I THINK MOST OF US IF WE'RE
BEING HONEST KNOW THAT YOU KNOW
THE FORMAT OF THE POLITICAL
CONVENTION, IT WAS DUE TO THE
CHANGE TO REFRESH ANYWAY.
THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS IT'S
COME TO FEEL MORE AND MORE
STAGED, MORE AND MORE
PREDICTABLE AND SO, YOU KNOW
THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE
ANOTHER ONE LIKE WHAT WE'RE
DOING IN 2020.
AT LEAST I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT
BECAUSE THERE WILL ONLY BE
CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THIS, BUT I
ALSO THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT
CONVENTIONS WILL NEVER GO SWEET
QUITE BACK TO THE OLD WAY AND
MAYBE THAT'S NOT SUCH A BAD
THING.
>> HOW WILL WISCONSIN
SPECIFICALLY BE BETTER OFF WITH
THE JOE BIDEN PRESIDENCY?
>> WELL YOU KNOW MANUFACTURING
WAS IN A RECESSION EVEN BEFORE
THE PANDEMIC HIT.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU
KNOW PARTS OF THE COUNTRY LIKE
INDIANA, LIKE WISCONSIN HAVE
REALLY PAID THE PRICE FOR THE
RECKLESS TRADE WARS, BACKWARD
POLICIES, CONSOLIDATION GOING ON
IN AGRICULTURE.
WHETHER YOU LIVE IN A CITY,
INDUSTRIAL AREA OR RURAL AREAS,
WE NEED BETTER LEADERSHIP IN
THIS COUNTRY AND I THINK
COMMUNITIES AROUND WISCONSIN ARE
PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY WE NEED A
LEADER WHO REALLY GETS WHAT IT'S
LIKE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS
BECAUSE HE'S FROM THE MIDDLE
CLASS.
YOU KNOW THE CURRENT PRESIDENT,
HE ONLY VIEWS OUR PART OF THE
COUNTRY AS SCENERY WHEN HE'S
GOING BETWEEN GOLF COURSES WITH
HIS NAME ON IT AND IT SHOWS IN
POLICY CHOICES THAT AGAIN AND
AGAIN HAVE PUT AMERICAN WORKERS
AND AMERICAN FARMERS LAST.
WE'VE GOT A A CHANCE TO CHANGE
THAT.
THIS IS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO
CHANGE THAT AND WISCONSIN
COMMUNITIES, WHETHER WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT FARMS OR WHETHER
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE
CHANGE ARE UNIQUELY VULNERABLE
TO THE THREATS OF THIS MOMENT.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS BEFORE
IT'S TOO LATE.
>> WE HAVE JUST A FEW SECONDS
LEFT, BUT RECENT POLLING HAS
SHOWN PEOPLE ARE EITHER VOTING
FOR TRUMP OR AGAINST TRUMP.
DOES JOE BIDEN NEED TO INSPIRE
VOTERS OR IS HE BETTER OFF JUST
LETTING TRUMP DO ALL OF THE
TALKING?
>> I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO
BOTH.
LOOK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THE
DISASTROUS BEHAVIOR OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE SHOULD BE MOTIVATION
ENOUGH.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT WE'RE FOR.
AND I'M NOT JUST AGAINST DONALD
TRUMP I'M FOR THE BIDEN HARRIS
TICKET BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT
WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATION OF
COMPASSION, OF COMPETENCE, OF
INTEGRITY AND THAT SHOULD BE
ENERGIZING FOR THE PARTY AS WE
LOOK AHEAD TO NOVEMBER.
>> MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG THANKS
FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THANKS
FOR HAVING ME.
>>> WE ARE JUST 80 DAYS AWAY
FROM THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, BUT
IF THE ELECTION WAS HELD TODAY,
THE LATEST MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL
POLL WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US
WHO WOULD WIN.
WE'RE JOINED NOW BY POLL
DIRECTOR CHARLES FRANKLIN.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY
CHARLES.
>> THANK YOU.
THE ONE THING WE KNOW THIS YEAR
IS THE ELECTION WON'T BE TODAY.
SO THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL.
>> YES.
>> NOW LET'S START WITH THE
BIGGEST RACE AND JOE BIDEN'S
LEAD OVER DONALD TRUMP REMAINS
ABOUT THE SAME WITH LIKELY
VOTERS.
>> WITH LIKELY VOTERS WE SEE A
FIVE POINT BIDEN LEAD IN JUNE
WITH LIKELY VOTERS IT WAS A SIX
POINT MARGIN SO JUST THE
SMALLEST OF CHANGE FROM LAST
MONTH TO THIS MONTH.
I THINK WE'VE SEEN A FAIRLY
STABLE RACE, THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR.
FOLLOWING OVER THE LAST 12
MONTHS AS AVERAGE TO BIDEN LEAD
OF ABOUT FOUR POINTS OR SO, IT'S
INCREASED JUST A LITTLE BIT IN
JUNE AND NOW IN THIS FALLING
BACK A TAD TO THE FIVE POINT
MARGIN.
>> NOW ONE OF THE REASONS WE
TALK ABOUT LIKELY VOTERS INSTEAD
OF REGISTERED VOTERS THIS TIME
OF YEAR IS THAT NOT ALL
REGISTERED VOTERS ARE CERTAIN TO
VOTE OR VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT
VOTING IN NOVEMBER.
IN YOUR POLLING SHOWS THAT'S
ABOUT THE SAME FOR DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS, BUT THERE'S A
DROPOFF FOR INDEPENDENTS.
>> THAT IS RIGHT.
THIS IS CHARACTERISTIC,
INDEPENDENTS WHO ARE NOT
PARTISAN ARE ALSO OFTEN AT LEAST
SOME WHAT, LESS INVOLVED
POLITICALLY, LESS SURE THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE.
WHAT'S INTERESTING THIS TIME IS
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE
ALMOST IDENTICAL IN CERTAINTY TO
VOTE, AND IN MEASURED ENTHUSIASM
THAT WASN'T TRUE IN 2018 WHEN
DEMOCRATS HAD A BIT OF AN
ADVANTAGE.
BUT IT'S THE INDEPENDENTS WHO
ARE LESS THAN 10% OF THE
ELECTORATE, BUT STILL THE GROUP
MOST LIKELY TO SWING ONE WAY OR
ANOTHER THAT ARE INTERESTING TO
WATCH HERE.
>> IN THE SWING STATE LIKE
WISCONSIN WHERE THE MARGIN OF
VICTORY IS ALWAYS JUST A FEW
PERCENTAGE POINTS INDEPENDENTS
ARE OF SOLID PERCENTAGE OVER THE
LAST THREE POLLS YOU SHOW
INDEPENDENTS MOVING TOWARDS JOE
BIDEN IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
DONALD TRUMP HAD AN ADVANTAGE
WITH INDEPENDENTS EARLIER IN THE
YEAR, AND THEN IN JUNE, WE SAW
BIDEN TAKE A LEAD WITH
INDEPENDENTS AND CONTINUE THAT
IN THIS AUGUST POLL.
THE MARGINS ARE NOT LARGE, AND
THE OTHER THING STRIKING ABOUT
INDEPENDENTS IS HOW MANY OF THEM
SAY, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PLANNING
TO VOTE FOR NEITHER CANDIDATE OR
DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'LL VOTE.
>> AMONG INDEPENDENTS THERE IS
STILL THAT SOLID PERCENTAGE THAT
ARE UNDECIDED THAT WAS UP TO 18%
IN THE AUGUST POLL.
WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE LARGER
MARGIN OF ERROR FOR THE NEXT SET
OF NUMBERS, BUT FOR ALL OF 2020
THE REASON THOSE INDEPENDENTS
ARE UNDECIDED IT SEEMS LIKE THEY
JUST DON'T LIKE EITHER
CANDIDATE.
>> THAT REALLY STANDS OUT IN
THESE DATA.
THE REASON WE PUT SEVERAL MONTHS
TOGETHER IS PRECISELY SO WE CAN
ZOOM IN ON THIS SMALL PART OF
THE ELECTORATE, BUT A FAIRLY
IMPORTANT ONE.
SOMETIMES THIS GROUP HAS REAL
LOPSIDED VIEWS OF CANDIDATES,
BUT THIS TIME YOU SEE, THEY'RE
NOT FANS OF DONALD TRUMP, BUT
ALSO NOT FANS OF BIDEN.
IN BIDEN'S CASE, THERE'S A LOT
OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DON'T
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT BIDEN TO HAVE
AN OPINION YET.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE CASE THAT
NEITHER OF THEM HAVE FAVOR
ABILITY NUMBERS THAT EVEN REACH
20%.
NOW, THE RACE IS JUST KICKING
OFF YOU KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE THE
CONVENTIONS YET WHICH IS USUALLY
THE POINT AT WHICH PEOPLE START
TO TUNE IN IF THOUGH ARE NOT
CHRONICLEY PAYING ATTENTION TO
CAMPAIGN NEWS.
AND, WE HAVE THE ENTIRE FALL TO
RUN.
SO, YOU KNOW IT'S UNLIKELY THAT
AS MANY AS WE'RE SEEING HERE,
WILL ULTIMATELY NOT VOTE OR VOTE
FOR A THIRD PARTY.
BUT, IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT
FOR WHERE WE STAND TODAY.
>> WE'LL NEVER ESCAPE THE SHADOW
OF THE 2016 ELECTION SO LET'S
LOOK BACK FOUR YEARS AGO THESE
ARE THE RESULTS FROM YOUR POLL
AUGUST 25, 2016.
HILLARY CLINTON LED DONALD TRUMP
BY JUST THREE POINTS, BUT AT
THAT TIME 21% OF VOTERS WERE
UNDECIDED OR VOTING THIRD
PARTY.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T POLLED THIRD
PARTY CANDIDATES BY NAME AT THIS
POINT, BUT IS IT FAIR TO SAY THE
NUMBER OF UNDECIDED OR THIRD
PARTY VOTERS IS MUCH SMALLER
THIS TIME AROUND?
>> YES.
IT DOES SEEM TO BE AT THIS
POINT.
AND WHEN WE ADD THIRD PARTY
CANDIDATES IS WHEN THEY ARE
OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED ON THE
BALLOT SO THAT WILL HAPPEN SOON
AND WE WILL START ASKING ABOUT
THEM BY NAME.
BUT, WHAT YOU SAW IN 2016 WAS A
PRETTY NEGATIVE ELECTORATE THAT
HAD STRONGLY NEGATIVE VIEWS OF
BOTH TRUMP AND OF CLINTON.
DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR THE MOST
PART.
BUT, ABOUT 20% WERE NEGATIVE
TOWARDS BOTH CLINTON AND TRUMP.
AND THAT HELPED DRIVE UP THE
THIRD PARTY VOTE IN 2016, TO
ABOUT 5 OR 6% STATEWIDE WHICH IS
UNUSUALLY LARGE FOR US IN A
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THIS YEAR, THERE'S A VERY SPLIT
ELECTORATE ON DONALD TRUMP, BUT
THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT
ARE INDIFFERENT TO HIM.
AS YOU JUST SAW, JOE BIDEN HAS
MORE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A
STRONG OPINION OF HIM.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL
SHAPE UP AS THE CAMPAIGN
DEVELOPS.
BUT AT THE MOMENT, THERE ARE
FEWER UNDECIDED AND FEWER PEOPLE
LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE THAN
I THINK WE SAW IN LATE AUGUST OF
2016.
>> NOW MOVING TO STATE POLITICS
GOVERNOR TONY EVERS RECENTLY
ISSUED A STATEWIDE MASK ORDER.
REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE
HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO
REPEAL IT, BUT THESE NUMBERS MAY
SHOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T CORRECT?
>> I THINK THEY SHOW THAT THE
MASK ORDER ITSELF IS QUITE
POPULAR.
69% FAVOR THAT ORDER.
ONLY 29% OPPOSED IT.
DEMOCRATS WERE VERY LOPSIDED 93%
IN FAVOR, BUT EVEN AMONG
REPUBLICANS THERE WAS A SPLIT 43
IN FAVOR, 54 OPPOSED SO A
MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS OPPOSED,
BUT NOT A LARGE MAJORITY IN A
BIG GROUP OF REPUBLICANS IN
FAVOR.
WE ALSO SAW THAT ACROSS THE
REGIONS OF THE STATE, THE ORDER
WAS APPROVED BY MAJORITIES IN
EVERY REGION OF THE STATE.
AND THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE
ON SCHOOL REOPENINGS WE DID SEE
REGIONAL DIFFERENCES, BUT ON THE
MASKS, NO DIFFERENCE MAJORITY IN
ALL CASES IN FAVOR OF MASKS IN
PUBLIC PLACES.
>> WE JUST HAVE A FEW SECONDS
LEFT I WANT TO PUT OUT THIS LAST
POLL ABOUT STUDENTS HEADING BACK
TO SCHOOL.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARENTS
WITH SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND
THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS THERE.
>> YES IT IS, FRANKLY SURPRISED
ME.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS 45
COMFORTABLE, 48 UNCOMFORTABLE,
BUT WHEN WE MOVE TO PEOPLE WHO
HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN IN
THEIR HOME, 53 FEEL COMFORTABLE,
45 UNCOMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO
MAKE OF THAT.
IT MAY BE THAT PARENTS HAVE MORE
COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE SCHOOLS.
>> ALL RIGHT WELL PROFESSOR
CHARLES FRANKLIN THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHT THIS TIME
AROUND WE'LL SEE YOU THE NEXT
TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
>>> TUESDAY WAS THE FALL PRIMARY
ELECTION.
THE PRIMARY EFFECTIVELY DECIDES
THE WINNER AND THE RESULTS SHOW
THE STATE LEGISLATURE WILL BE
MORE DIVERSE NEXT YEAR.
IN DANE COUNTY, MELISSA SARGENT
AND KELDA HELEN ROYS EACH WON
PRIMARIES FOR THE SENATE AND
WILL REPLACE TWO RETIRING WHITE
MEN.
IN MADISON AN AFRICAN IMMIGRANT,
SAMBA BALDEH, AND FRANCESCA HONG
WON COMPETITIVE PRIMARIES IN
HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS.
THERE THE MILWAUKEE SUBURBS
JULIAN BRADLEY A BLACK MAN WON
THE PRIMARY IN THE HEAVILY
REPUBLICAN 28th SENATE
DISTRICT.
>>> MILWAUKEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
THE CENTER OF THE POLITICAL
WORLD WHEN IT HOSTED THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.
NOW IT'S BEEN VIRTUALLY HOLLOWED
OUT, ANOTHER VICTIM OF THE
COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN
WISCONSIN'S POLITICIANS WON'T
TRY TO SALVAGE SOMETHING FROM
THIS WEEK.
I SPOKE WITH GOVERNOR TONY EVERS
AND LT. GOVERNOR MANDELA BARNES,
TO SEE IF THERE IS STILL
SOMETHING TO BE GAINED FROM THE
MILWAUKEE DNC.
>> GOVERNOR TONY EVERS IS TRYING
TO LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE.
>> CERTAINLY HAS CHANGED, BUT
IT'S STILL REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> IF NOTHING ELSE, THE
SYMBOLISM OF THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL CONVENTION COMING TO
MILWAUKEE IS STILL THERE.
THE REASON THE DNC CHOSE
MILWAUKEE IS STILL RELEVANT.
>> ONE THING THAT HASN'T CHANGED
IS THAT THE ELECTION GOES
THROUGH WISCONSIN.
>> IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE
WON'T HAVE THE SAME IMPACT THAT
WE INTENDED A YEAR AGO.
THAT BREAKS MY HEART
ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S HARDER FOR LT. GOVERNOR
MANDELA BARNES TO HIDE HIS
DISAPPOINTMENT.
>> LOOKING FORWARD TO SHOWING
OFF HIS CITY AND STATE TO TENS
OF THOUSANDS OF MY CLOSEST
FRIENDS, NOT BEING ABLE TO DO
THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, ITS
GOING TO BE A LITTLE
FRUSTRATING, BUT AT THE SAME
TIME, WE ARE STILL GOING TO TELL
THE MILWAUKEE STORY.
>> AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY STORY
TO TELL, MAY BE ONE OF
PROTESTS.
>> THAT'S NATURAL FOR PEOPLE TO
WANT TO PROTEST AT AN EVENT AS
LARGE SCALE AS THE DNC WAS GOING
TO BE OR AT THE SCALE IT WILL
BE.
>> CERTAINLY THERE ARE GOING TO
BE PROTESTS AND I FRANKLY HOPE
THOSE PROTESTERS ARE WEARING
MASKS AND DOING THE THINGS THEY
NEED TO DO TO BE SAFE THAT'S
REALLY CRITICAL, BUT PEOPLE NEED
AN OUTLET AND, UM, I'M SURE THAT
WILL HAPPEN IN MILWAUKEE.
>> PBS PLANS NIGHTLY COVERAGE OF
THE VIRTUAL CONVENTION NEXT
WEEK.
I WILL APPEAR FROM MILWAUKEE ON
THE PBS NEWSHOUR CONVENTION
PROGRAM DURING THE 8:00 HOUR
MONDAY NIGHT.
AFTER NEWSHOUR'S COVERAGE, STAY
WITH PBS WISCONSIN AT
10:00 THAT'S WHEN DNC MILWAUKEE,
WILL APPEAR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
THEN TO GET GREAT POLITICAL
ANALYSIS.
WE'RE JOINED NOW BY REPUBLICAN
STRATEGIST AND MANAGING PARTNER
OF CAPITOL CONSULTANTS, BILL
MCCOSHEN AND DEMOCRATIC
STRATEGIST SCOT ROSS THANK YOU
BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
>> LET'S START WITH YOU SCOT,
DOES A VIRTUAL DEMOCRATIC
CONVENTION STILL HAVE VALUES FOR
WISCONSIN AND MILWAUKEE?
>> WELL ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, DEMOCRATS ARE CERTAINLY
SAD THAT THE CONVENTION WON'T BE
IN PERSON HERE IN MILWAUKEE, BUT
I THINK WITH THE GLOBAL
PANDEMIC, THAT THE BUNDLING OF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS
RESULTED IN 160,000 AMERICANS
AND 1,000 WISCONSINITES DYING
FROM THIS PANDEMIC, I THINK THAT
THE DEMOCRATS YOU KNOW ARE GOING
TO PUT THIS ALL IN PERSPECTIVE.
THEY WILL BE SHOWING VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN THEY WILL BE
SHOWING SENATOR HARRIS, AND THEY
WILL BE SHOWING WHAT THEY WILL
DO TO RESTORE, HONOR, DECENCY
AND INTEGRITY TO AMERICAN
GOVERNMENT SO MUCH THAT HAS BEEN
LOST UNDER TRUMP.
AND, YOU KNOW THE THING IS THAT,
IT'S A SET BACK, BUT NOT REALLY
BECAUSE YOU KNOW SINCE TRUMP GOT
INAUGURATED REPUBLICANS HAVE
LOST SEVEN OF THE EIGHT
STATEWIDE ELECTIONS IN WISCONSIN
IN WHICH THEY'VE PARTICIPATED
IN.
THAT AIN'T A CANARY IN THE COAL
MINE.
THAT'S THE STATE OF WISCONSIN
GIVING THE BIRD TO DONALD
TRUMP.
>> BILL, TRUMP'S GOING TO BE
HERE IS HE FILLING IN A
POLITICAL ADVANTAGE?
>> WELL HE'S DOING WHAT BIDEN
ISN'T DOING.
SO, LET ME PICK UP ON SOME
THINGS SCOT SAID.
FIRST OF ALL I THINK IT'S A
TRAGEDY THAT MILWAUKEE'S NOT
GETTING THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A
NATIONAL CONVENTION.
NOT JUST MILWAUKEE AND SOUTHEAST
WISCONSIN THE ENTIRE STATE.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE 50,000
VISITORS COMING HERE SPENDING
LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY, OVER A
FIVE TO SEVEN DAY PERIOD OF TIME
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY
OF THAT ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
SO THAT'S A TRAGEDY IN AND OF
ITSELF.
THE SECOND PART THAT IS A
TACTICAL MISTAKE BY THE BIDEN
CAMPAIGN IS NOT ACCEPTING THE
NOMINATION IN MILWAUKEE.
THAT'S A MISTAKE.
REGARDLESS OF THE GLOBAL
PANDEMIC, THE CANDIDATE AND THE
VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE COULD
EASILY HAVE COME TO MILWAUKEE,
ACCEPTED THE NOMINATION HERE, AT
LEAST FOR THE SYMBOLIC VALUE OF
IT, MY GUESS IS OVERALL ZAC,
BOTH ON THE DNC AND ON THE RNC
THESE WILL BE THE LEAST WATCHED
NATIONAL CONVENTIONS EVER.
BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SICK OF ZOOM
CALLS.
>> THAT IS ACCURATE.
NOW WHAT IMPACT DOES KAMALA
HARRIS HAVE ON THE TICKET BILL
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> YOU KNOW LISTEN THERE'S TWO
THINGS YOU WANT IN A VP YOU WANT
THE DO NO HARM AND YOU WANT AT
LEAST APPEAL TO A KEY COALITION
A VOTING COALITION OR A
GEOGRAPHY.
I THINK SHE CHECKS BOTH OF THOSE
BOXES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'S GOING TO
BE A DIFFERENCE MAKER HERE IN
THE STATE OF WISCONSIN LET'S
FACE IT, PAUL RYAN WAS ON THE
TICKET WITH MITT ROMNEY IN 2012
AND THEY LOST WISCONSIN FAIRLY
HANDLEY.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE THE
DIFFERENCE YOU THINK IT MIGHT.
IF ANYTHING IT MIGHT HAVE A
SLIGHT BENEFIT IN THE CITY OF
MILWAUKEE WHEREABOUT 50,000
DEMOCRATS DID NOT VOTE IN 2016.
>> SCOT DOES THAT MAKE THE
DIFFERENCE HARRIS ON THE TICKET
IN MILWAUKEE?
>> I THINK SENATOR HARRIS IS
GOING TO BE A, IS A OUTSTANDING
CHOICE AND IS GOING TO BE A
OUTSTANDING VICE PRESIDENT.
SHE HAS FOCUSED HER CAREER ON
BRINGING EQUALITY AND JUSTICE TO
PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA AND SHE'S
GOING TO DO THAT WITH THE UNITED
STATES.
AND WE COULDN'T BE AT A MORE
IMPORTANT TIME WHEN WE HAD A
REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS
ESSENTIALLY RUN BY A WHILE
SUPREMACIST IN DONALD TRUMP.
I MEAN DAILY THE DAILY ATTACKS,
THAT GO ON ARE UNPRECEDENTED AND
I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE JUST
WE'RE JUST ALL READY TO SEE
WHETHER OR NOT REPUBLICANS AND
TRUMP GO AFTER SENATOR HARRIS
FOR BEING A WOMAN OR BEING A
PERSON OF COLOR.
RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF
BOTH.
>> NOW, DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN
TALKING AND TWEETING A LOT ABOUT
DEFENDING THE SUBURBS AND
SPEAKING OF WISCONSIN GEOGRAPHY,
SAYING DEMOCRATS WANT TO FILL
THEM WITH LOW INCOME HOUSING.
SCOT IS THIS JUST GOOD OLD
FASHIONED DOG WHISTLE POLITICS O
OR IS THERE A REALITY HERE ABOUT
HOUSING AND THE SUBURBS.
>> IT'S NOT A DOG WHISTLE ITS A
BLOW HORN.
TRUMP HAS ONLY ONE CHANCE THAT
IS IF HE IS CHEAT IN ORDER TO
WIN THIS ELECTION.
AND HE IS TRYING TO, HE IS
TRYING TO BRING EVERY RACIST
ALONG WITH HIM.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE
WISCONSIN IS BETTER THAN THAT.
YOU KNOW ARE WE BETTER THAN THAT
WHETHER YOU ARE REPUBLICAN,
DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, WE
CAN'T CONTINUE TO FUNCTION THIS
WAY.
WE NEED ADULT LEADERSHIP.
THAT'S WHAT JOE BIDEN IS GOING
IT BRING.
HE'S GOING TO BRING AGAIN THAT
YOU KNOW THAT IDEA OF LISTENING
OF LEARNING AND ACTING LIKE AN
ADULT.
>> BILL HOW DOES THIS PLAY IN
MILWAUKEE SUBURBS?
>> WELL, IN THE MOST RECENT
MARQUETTE POLL TRUMP'S NUMBERS
IN THE SUBURBS ARE ACTUALLY UP.
AND THE ISSUE IS THAT VOTERS
CARE ABOUT LIKE DEFUNDING THE
POLICE, IS OVERWHELMINGLY
NEGATIVE FOR DEMOCRATS.
SO, I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE
ACTUALLY BETTER POSITIONED IN
THE SUBURBS TODAY THAN THEY WERE
TWO MONTHS AGO ON MARQUETTE
UNIVERSITY POLL.
THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.
I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT
NEEDS TO CALL OUT HEY SUBURBS
I'M TALKS TO YOU ON A TWEET THAT
IS AN UNFORCED ERROR, BUT IF HE
KEEPS TALKING ABOUT LAW AND
ORDER, DEFENDING THE COPS, SAFE
NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORHOODS
NEIGHBORHOOD HE'S GOING TO DO
WELL IN THE SUBURBS.
>>> REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN
WORKING TO GET KANYE WEST ON THE
BALLOT IS THIS FROM THE DIRTY
TRICKS BOOK?
>> I THINK HE WILL GET ON THE
BALLOT A LITTLE DIRTY TRICKS.
OUR ELECTIONS COMMISSION
GENERALLY TENDS TO LEAN TOWARDS
THE CANDIDATE IF THEY CAME CLOSE
UNLESS THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT
ERRORS IN THE NOMINATIONS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY ZAC HE'S
PROBABLY A PROTEST VOTE, BUT SO
IS JILL STEIN.
REMEMBER JILL STEIN GOT 2 1/2
PERCENT HERE AND THAT WAS THE
DIFFERENCE IN 2016.
SO, DEPENDING ON WHERE KANYE
GETS HIS VOTES FROM AND IF HE
DOES ANY ADVERTISING
PARTICULARLY IN THE CENTER CITY
OF MILWAUKEE HE COULD GET THAT 2
OR 3%.
>> SCOT DOES KANYE TAKE BLACK
VOTES AWAY FROM JOE BIDEN IN
MILWAUKEE?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT'S A GOOD INDICATION OF HOW
OUT OF TOUCH THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY IS WITH BLACK VOTERS THAT
THEY WOULD THINK IN THE MIDST A
ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, GLOBAL
PANDEMIC AND A WHITE SUPREMACIST
IN THE WHITE HOUSE THERE ARE
PEOPLE THAT WOULD FLIP THEIR
VOTE BECAUSE KANYE WEST IS ON
THE BALLOT SIMPLY NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
I THINK THE INTERESTING THING
THAT WILL HAPPEN AS BILL SAID,
WHAT THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION IS
GOING TO DO AND YOU HAVE TWO
MEMBERS THE TWO REPUBLICAN, TWO
OF THE THREE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS
WHO ARE ON THE RECORD SAYING A
DEADLINE IS A DEADLINE.
SO IT SEEMS PRETTY HARD FOR THEM
TO REVERSE ON THAT WE'LL SEE IF
THOUGH DO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
DEMOCRATS SHOULD IGNORE IT
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEIR
STRATEGY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH
CATCHING A VOTER, WHO WOULD FLIP
TO KANYE WEST BECAUSE HE'S ON
THE BALLOT.
>> THE ELECTIONS COMMISSION
BOUNCES SOMEBODY FOR BEING 14
SECONDS LATE IT WILL BE THE
FIRST TIME THEY FOLLOWED THEIR
OWN RULES.
>> THIS WEEK WE'VE HEARD A
NUMBER OF STORIES ABOUT TRUMP'S
POST MASTER GENERAL REORGANIZING
THE POSTAL SERVICE RESULTING IN
SHUT DOWNS AND SLOW DOWNS IN
MAIL DELIVERY.
TRUMP HIMSELF SAID HE WON'T
SUPPORT ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE
POST OFFICE TO HELP WITH ALL OF
THE MAIL IN BALLOTS SCOT, THE
MARQUETTE POLL SHOWS MOST
DEMOCRATS PLAN TO VOTE BY MAIL
SHOULD THE PARTY RETHINK THAT
PLAN?
>> WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THE
DEMOCRATS NEED TO RISE UP IN
CONGRESS AND TRY TO WORK WITH
REPUBLICANS TO STOP WHAT IS
GOING TO BE WHAT IS AN ATTEMPTED
STEALING OF OUR ELECTION.
I MEAN IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE ELECTION I
MEAN, SENIORS, VETERANS, --
INTERNATIONALLY SYNDICATED FILM
CRITIC
>>
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>> WISCONSIN THEY DON'T DO
ANYTHING.
GOVERNOR EVERS HAS BEEN TRYING
TO GET THEM TO THE TABLE FOR 120
DAYS THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING.
DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO
PREVENT PEOPLE FROM VOTING.
>> BILL DOES THE POST OFFICE
FACTOR INTO THIS RACE IN
WISCONSIN?
>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES.
YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A ISSUE
THAT VOTERS VOTE ABOUT.
IT'S NOT A TOP TIER ISSUE FOR
SURE AND I THINK IT WILL
ULTIMATELY GET RESOLVED BEFORE
THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR WHICH
IS SEPTEMBER.
I THINK IT WILL GET RESOLVED BY
THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY IT'S
NOT RESOLVED BECAUSE THEY ARE
LITERALLY TAKING OUT SORTING
EQUIPMENT TO THWART THE POST
OFFICE FROM DOING IT'S JOB.
>> A COUPLE SECONDS LOST FOR
EACH OF YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK
THE IMPACT OF THESE CONVENTIONS
WILL BE?
BILL WE'LL START WITH YOU A FEW
SECONDS.
>> I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW LOOK FOR
THE THURSDAY NIGHTS WHERE THE
TWO NOMINEES GET THEIR
NOMINATION TO BE THE BIGGEST
NIGHTS.
LOOK FOR TRUMP TO PUT ON A SHOW
HE IS A SHOWMAN, AND YOU KNOW I
WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A PRETTY
GOOD TURNOUT ON THE THURSDAY
NIGHTS, BUT THESE WILL BE THE
LEAST WATCHED CONVENTIONS IN OUR
LIFETIME AND THE NEXT TIME YOU
WILL TALK ABOUT THESE CANDIDATES
IS AFTER THE FIRST DEBATE.
>> SCOT WHAT ABOUT YOU?
>> I'M INCREDIBLY SADDENED THAT
WE WON'T SEE A SEA OF CHEESE
HEADS IN THE FISERV FORUM, BUT I
THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT
OF REASONS AND DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE DOMES AND
REPUBLICANS AND I THINK THE
DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE IS WHAT IS
GOING TO RESONATE WITH THE
PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
APPRECIATE IT.
>> PBS NEWSHOUR COVERAGE OF THE
DEMOCRAT'S VIRTUAL CONVENTION IN
MILWAUKEE STARTS MONDAY AT
7:00.
AT 10:00 P.M. MONDAY MILWAUKEE
PBS AND HERE AND NOW PREVENTS
DNC MILWAUKEE A 10/36.
FREDERICA FREYBERG APPEARS NEXT
FRIDAY NIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE WRAPUP OF
THE DNC.
I'M ZAC SCHULTZ HAVE A GREAT
WEEKEND.
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