>> THANK YOU.
>> SO WHAT IS THE SITUATION ON
THE GROUND WITH PRACTICING COPS,
THOSE STILL RESPONDING AND
ENGAGING AND MAKING DECISIONS?
FOR THAT WE GO TO GREEN BAY AND
úCHECK IN THERE WITH THE CHIEF OF
POLICE, ANDREW SMITH.
AND, CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
GLAD TO BE HERE.
>> SO I HAVE READ THAT YOU
INTEND A REFRESHER COURSE FOR
YOUR OFFICERS IN THE USE OF
FORCE IN THE WAKE OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS.
HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT KIND OF REGULAR TRAINING IS
FOR YOUR OFFICERS?
>> I THINK IT'S CRITICAL.
I THINK OUR OFFICERS NEED TO
KNOW WHAT THEIR JOB IS.
THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES
ARE FOR THEIR JOB.
WE ALREADY STARTED THAT.
WE MET WITH ALL OF OUR
SUPERVISORS JUST LAST WEEK AND
WE ALL SAT DOWN, WENT OVER THE
MINNESOTA INCIDENT.
WE HAD OUR USE OF FORCE TRAINERS
THERE AND THE EXPECTATION IS
EVERY OFFICER WILL RECEIVE A
REFRESHER ON WHAT HAPPENED IN
MINNEAPOLIS AND WHAT OUR
EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR OUR
OFFICERS.
>> DO YOUR OFFICERS USE METHODS
LIKE HOLDING HANDCUFFED SUSPECTS
DOWN ON THEIR NECKS?
>> NO.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED
BOY OUR POLICY.
WE DO NOT DO THAT.
>> AND SO IF YOU HAD A REFRESHER
ON USE OF FORCE, WHAT WERE THE
MOST COGENT TAKE-AWAYS FROM THAT
FOR YOUR OFFICERS?
>> WELL, WE GAVE THEM KIND OF A
LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW ABOUT
WHY WE'RE ABLE TO USE FORCE,
UNDER WHAT SITUATIONS FORCE IS
APPROPRIATE.
BUT ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT THE
OFFICER OVERRIDE.
IF YOU SEE ANOTHER OFFICER USING
FORCE THAT'S UNAUTHORIZED OR
MISAPPLYING FORCE, WE BELIEVE
IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THOSE
OFFICERS TO STOP THAT FROM
HAPPENING.
AND THAT WAS REITERATED ALONG
WITH THE BASIC RULES OF YOU
DON'T PUT YOUR KNEE ON SOMEONE'S
NECK.
YOU DON'T PUT THEM DOWN TO THE
GROUND AND HOLD THEM DOWN PINNED
LIKE THAT.
IF SOMEONE'S GASPING FOR AIR OR
CALLING FOR HELP, YOU TAKE THAT
AS A SERIOUS INCIDENT THAT NEEDS
TO BE ACTED ON.
>> YOU SAY LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS A
LONG WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF
ACCOUNTABILITY.
HOW SO?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S A TOUGH
JOB OUT THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT
OF GREAT OFFICERS DOING GREAT
WORK EVERY DAY.
BUT I THINK WE ALL COME ACROSS
THE BAD APPLE THAT YOU HEAR
ABOUT.
WE COME ACROSS OFFICERS WHO HAVE
A LONG HISTORY OF GETTING IN
TROUBLE.
AND I THINK IT'S AWFUL TOUGH TO
FIRE SOMEONE, QUITE FRANKLY,
THAT NEEDS TO BE FIRED HERE IN
WISCONSIN.
SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON
THE CHIEFS OF POLICE TO MAKE
SURE THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR
OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE.
WE HAVE A CIVILIAN POLICE AND
FIRE COMMISSION IN GREEN BAY
THAT HOLDS ME ACCOUNTABLE.
I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD AND
ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
ACCOUNTABILITY IS LACKING AND
IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO FIRE A BAD
OFFICER.
>> YOU MARCHED WITH PROTESTERS
IN YOUR CITY LAST WEEKEND.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
>> WELL, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME
I'VE MARCHED WITH PROTESTERS.
COMING FROM LOS ANGELES, I'VE
DONE THAT MANY TIMES.
BUT I WAS QUITE HAPPY TO BE
INVITED INTO THE PROTEST WHEN
THEY ASKED ME TO MARCH WITH
THEM.
AND OF COURSE I DID.
AND WHAT REALLY I WANTED TO DO
WAS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
LISTEN TO PEOPLE, TO HEAR WHAT
THEY SAY, TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE
CONCERNED ABOUT.
I UNDERSTAND THEIR ANGER AND
FRUSTRATION, BUT I WANTED TO
HEAR IT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
MARCHING.
WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER AS A
POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN GREEN
BAY.
>> BEFORE THAT YOU COMMENTED
ABOUT HOW GEORGE FLOYD DIED
SAYING IT SICKENED YOU AND IT
WAS ONE OF THE MOST HORRIBLE
THINGS YOU HAD EVER SEEN.
WHILE READING YOUR ABOUT HOW YOU
MARCHED WITH THE PROTESTERS, WE
ALSO CAME UPON AN ARTICLE AND IT
GIVES ME NO PLEASURE TO RAISE
THIS, ABOUT A FAMILY WHOSE LOVED
ONE WAS KILLED BY POLICE BULLETS
IN YOUR CITY AND THEY CALLED YOU
OUT FOR YOUR HYPOCRISY, SAYING
WE'RE OUTRAGED AND DEEPLY
OFFENDED THAT YOU WOULD USE THIS
TIME OF TRAGEDY TO MAKE THOSE
STATEMENTS, SAYING THAT YOUR
DEPARTMENT IS NOT AT FAULT, THEY
SAID, FOR THE SAME UNJUST
ACTIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED TO
GEORGE FLOYD'S FAMILY.
WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT ON THAT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A
LAWSUIT PENDING, SO I CAN'T
SPEAK ABOUT ANY OF THE SPECIFICS
OF THAT CASE.
BUT THESE WERE TWO COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT CASES.
THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN
REVIEWED.
THE ONE IN GREEN BAY HAS ALREADY
BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO DECLINED
TO PRESS ANY CHARGES, OF COURSE.
SO THEY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT
CASES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT FAMILY IS VERY
UPSET.
BUT, AGAIN, THERE'S A LAWSUIT
PENDING.
I REALLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT ANY
SPECIFICS OF THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, CHIEF, WE REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US AND WE
WISH YOU AND YOUR CITY WELL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH