>> A PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION.
THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF
OUR "HERE AND NOW" 2020 ELECTION
COVERAGE.
>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW,"
SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC
SCHULTZ HITS THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
HE CATCHES UP WITH THE PRIMARY
CANDIDATES IN THE STATE'S 7TH
CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
WE HEAR FROM A LEADER IN THE
STATE HMONG COMMUNITY ABOUT NEW
FEARS OVER DEPORTATIONS.
AND A LOOK AHEAD TO RESEARCH AT
THE UW TO COMBAT THE
CORONAVIRUS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
FEBRUARY 14.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR
JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
WISCONSIN.
>> IN OUR FIRST LOOK TONIGHT,
NEXT TUESDAY IS THE SPRING
PRIMARY.
STATEWIDE, VOTERS WILL CHOOSE
WHICH TWO SUPREME COURT
CANDIDATES ADVANCE TO THE
APRIL ELECTION.
ALSO ON THE BALLOT IN NORTHERN
WISCONSIN'S 7TH CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT IS THE PRIMARY FOR A
SPECIAL ELECTION TO REPLACE
CONGRESSMAN SEAN DUFFY, WHO
RESIGNED LAST FALL.
"HERE AND NOW" REPORTER ZAC
SCHULTZ MET WITH ALL FAWR FOUR
CANDIDATES AND HAS THIS REPORT.
>> CONGRESSIONAL SEATS DON'T
COME OPEN VERY NAWRCH WISCONSIN,
SO IT'S NO WISCONSIN A SPECIAL
ELECTION IN THE 7TH BROUGHT OUT
TWO REPUBLICANS AND TWO
DEMOCRATS.
THE MAN WITH THE MOST NAME
RECOGNITION IS REPUBLICAN STATE
SENATOR TOM TOM TIFFANY.
>> I'VE BEEN PUTTING 50,000
MILES A YEAR ON REPRESENTING THE
12TH DISTRICT, SO IT'S JUST MORE
TERRITORY TO COVER.
>> TIFFANY IS CAMPAIGNING ON HIS
RECORD IN MADISON, ADVANCING
FORMER GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER'S
CONSERVATIVE AGENDA.
>> I'VE HELPED DRAIN THE SWAMP
IN MADISON.
I WILL DO THE SAME IN WASHINGTON
D.C.
I HAVE THE TRACK RECORD TO PROVE
IT.
MADISON DID NOT CHANGE ME.
WASHINGTON D.C. WILL NOT EITHER.
>> I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY I'VE
NEVER LEFT WISCONSIN
VOLUNTARILY.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON ORDERS.
>> JASON CHURCH IS A VETERAN,
ALSO RUNNING AS A REPUBLICAN.
HE'S WITHINBEEN WORKING IN SENATOR RON
JOHNSON'S OFFICE.
>> I WAS INJURED AS A PLATOON
LEADER, LOST BOTH MY LEGS.
I CAME BACK AND RECOVERED AT
WALTER REED.
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY RECOVER I
MET SENATOR RON JOHNSON.
>> HE'S RUNNING AS AN OUTSIDER
AND A SUPPORTER OF TERM LIMITS.
>> I CAN BRING THE FIGHT FOR US.
>> WE NEED A NEW GENERATION OF
LEADERSHIP.
>> THERE ARE NO POLICY
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TOM TIFFANY
AND JASON CHURCH.
TIFFANY HAS ENDORSEMENTS FROM
SCOTT WALKER AND SAWN SEAN DUFFY.
BUT IN AN ERA OF
ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES,
HE HAS TO MAKE SURE THOSE
ENDORSEMENTS DON'T MAKE HIM THE
ESTABLISHMENT.
>> I'M PROUD OF THE ENDORSEMENTS
I'VE GOTTEN BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN
TRUE REFORMERS.
>> CHURCH'S SUPPORTERS COME FROM
MILITARY BACKGROUND.
>> THE PEOPLE WHO ENDORSED ME,
THEY HE DIDN'T KNOW MIGHT BE
FROM WORKING IN THE LEGISLATURE
IN TEN YEARS OR TRYING TO RUN
FOR OFFICE FOR A DECADE AND A
HALF.
>> I GREW UP IN A STRONG UNION
HOUSEHOLD.
>> ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE,
TRICIA ZUNKER IS ENDORSED BY THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF WISCONSIN.
>> I'M AN ENROLLED MEMBER OF
HO-CHUNK
HO-CHUNK NATION AND I COME FROM
GENERATIONS OF DAIRY FARMERS.
>> SHE'S A JUSTICE ON THE
HO-CHUNK SUPREME COURT AND ON
THE WAUSAU SCHOOL BOARD.
>> WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GET
REPRESENTATION FOR THE PEOPLE OF
WISCONSIN.
>> A DEMOCRAT HAS NOT WON THE
7TH IN MORE THAN A DECADE.
IN A DIFFERENT POLITICAL ERA AND
UNDER DIFFERENT MAPS.
BUT ZUNKER SAYS SHE'S REACHING
OUT TO POPULATIONS THAT HAVE
BEEN OVERLOOKED, LIKE NATIVE
AMERICAN TRIBES.
>> I MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE
SOMALI COMMUNITY, MALE HMONG
COMMUNITY LEADERS.
I DID SOME HISPANIC OUTREACH FOR
THE COMMUNITY IN ABBOTSFORD.
THERE ARE SO MANY COMMUNITIES
THAT HAVE BEEN OVER OVERLOOKED AND
HAVE SAID TO ME THIS IS THE
FIRST TIME A CANDIDATE HAS COME
TO US.
>> LAWRENCE DALE IS ALSO RUNNING
AS A DEMOCRAT AND SAYS HE'S
UNAFRAID TO CRITICIZE HIS OWN
PARTY LEADERS.
>> I'M NOT A ZEALOT FOR ANY
PARTY.
I SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS.
AND I SUPPORT JUSTICE FOR
WORKING PEOPLE GENERALLY AND
CERTAINLY JUSTICE FOR THE SMALL
FARMERS IN OUR DISTRICT.
>> DALE SAYS HIS BIGGEST
CONCERNS INCLUDE THE THREAT FROM
MINING OPERATIONS AND INDUSTRIAL
FARMS.
>> AS YOUR CONGRESSMAN WHAT I'M
GOING TO DO IS PRESENT
LEGISLATION THAT WILL PUT A
MORATORIUM ON CAFOs.
>> HE SAYS HE'S NOT IMPRESSED
WITH ZUNKER.
>> SHE TALKS A LOT ABOUT
HERSELF.
THAT TURNS ME OFF RIGHT AWAY.
SHE WENT ON AND ON.
IT JUST ABOUT DROVE ME NUTS.
SO I WAITED FOR THE SECOND HALF
OF HER PRESENTATION AND THERE
WAS NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.
>> FOR HER PART, ZUNKER HAS
NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT LAWRENCE
DALE.
>> I'M NOT REALLY FOCUSED ON ANY
OPPONENT IN THE PRIMARY.
I'M FOCUS ODD FOCUSED ON THIS CAMPAIGN,
LISTENING TO THE VOTERS.
>> TURNOUT IS OFTEN QUITE LOW IN
THE SPRING PRIMARY.
ADD IN ONE OF THE LARGEST
DISTRICTS EAST OF THE MISS
MISSISSIPPI AND CAMPAIGNING IN
WINTER AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF
UNKNOWNS.
>> A WINTER CAMPAIGN IS A WHOLE
DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
IT'S A LOUD OF GROUND TO COVER.
EIGHT HOURS ROUND TRIP FROM
HUDSON TO THE OTHER END AND
BACK.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AS
IT ALWAYS IS.
USUALLY THE CANDIDATE THAT
OUTSPENDS THE OTHER BY A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT WINS.
>> THIS IS A 26-COUNTY DISTRICT,
ONE-THIRD OF THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN, AND WE HAVE TO TRY
ALL DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT
THE DISTRICT.
>> REPORTING FROM WAUSAU, I'M
ZAC SCHULTZ.
>> THE SPECIAL PRIMARY ELECTION
IN THE 7TH CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT IS NEXT TUESDAY,
FEBRUARY 18.
AS WE REPORTED LAST WEEK, FOR
ABSENTEE VOTERS IN THAT
DISTRICT, THERE ARE TWO BALLOTS
FOR THAT ELECTION, ONE FOR THE
FEDERAL ELECTION AND ANOTHER FOR
STATE SUPREME COURT AND LOCAL
RACES.
THIS WEEK, HOWEVER, THE
WISCONSIN ELECTIONS COMMISSION
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SEND ONLY
ONE BALLOT TO MOST ABSENTEE
VOTERS FOR THE APRIL 7
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND SUPREME
COURT GENERAL.
COMMISSIONERS WORRIED TWO
BALLOTS COULD CAUSE CHAOS.
>> FOR A REGULAR VOTER IN
WISCONSIN THAT'S NOT OVERSEAS,
THAT'S NOT SERVE SERVING IN THE
MILITARY, YOU WILL ONE BALLOT
WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE
ELECTION AND THE STATE AND LOCAL
CONTEST THAT YOU WILL RETURN TO
YOUR CLERK BY ELECTION DAY.
>> NEXT TUESDAY VOTERS STATEWIDE
WILL NARROW THE FIELD OF
CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE
WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT DOWN TO
TWO.
INCUMBENT JUSTICE DANIEL KELLY
IS CHALLENGED BY MARQUETTE LAW
PROFESSOR ED FALLONE AND DANE
COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE JILL
KAROFSKY.
ALL THREE HAVE APPEARED ON "HERE
AND NOW."
HERE THEY ARE SPEAKING ABOUT
THEIR JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY IN THE
ORDER OF THEIR APPEARANCES ON
OUR PROGRAM.
>> OUR ROLE IN THAT IS TO SIMPLY
APPLY THE LAW AS IT EXISTS.
WE'RE THERE TO EXERCISE THE
JUDICIAL POWER, TO APPLY THE LAW
TO THE CASE IN FRONT OF US.
PEOPLE HAVE NOT ASKED US TO
LEGISLATURE SLAIJ FROM THE
BUNCH.
THEY'VE GOT A LEDGE
ARCHITECTURE.
SO WE DON'T MAKE THE LAW, WE
DON'T IGNORE THE LAW, WE DON'T
PLAY FAVORITES WITH THE LAW.
WE SIMPLY APPLY THE LAW WITH
NEITHER FEAR NOR FAVOR FOR ANY
PERSON OR PARTY.
>> I HAVE STOOD FOR THINGS LIKE
FIGHTING FOR OUR EQUAL
PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW,
FIGHTING FOR OUR FREE SPEECH,
PRINCIPLES GROUNDED IN OUR
CONSTITUTION.
THEY'RE NOT PARTISAN PRINCIPLES.
THEY'RE THE SAME PRINCIPLES I'LL
FIGHT FOR WHEN I TAKE THE OATH
OF OFFICE ON THE BENCH.
>> I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS
RACE WHO HAS BEEN A TRIAL COURT
JUDGE, PRESIDING OVER MORE THAN
1700 CASES LAST YEAR.
I WILL SEE HOW THE LAW IMPACTS
REAL PEOPLE.
I ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE AS A
PROSECUTOR.
I KNOW HOW TO BE SMART ON CRIME.
I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF
PROTECTING INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF
VICTIMS, WITNESSES, OF
DEFENDANTS, OF MEMBERS OF OUR
COMMUNITY.
>> FOR INFORMATION ON VOTING,
HEAD TO OUR ELECTION RESOURCES
WEBSITE, WISCONSIN VOTE wisconsinvote.org.
>> A POLICY SHIFT IN WASHINGTON
LEAVES THOUSANDS OF HMONG
RESIDENTS WORRIED THEY COULD BE
SENT BACK TO LAOS.
IN TONIGHT'S INSIDE LOOK,
WISCONSIN IS HOME TO NEARLY
50,000 PEOPLE WHO CAME AS
REFUGEES AFTER FIGHTING FOR THE
U.S. IN THE VIETNAM WAR.
BECAUSE OF A LONG RECORD OF
HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AGAINST
HMONG PEOPLE BY THE COMMUNIST
COUNTRY.
VUE IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND
JOINS US FROM MENASHA.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WHAT IS THE REACTION AMONG
HMONG PEOPLE HERE IN WISCONSIN
TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU
HAVE HEARD?
>> WELL, IT'S A MIXED MESSAGE.
SOME ARE VERY CONFUSED WHY IT'S
HAPPENING NOW.
SOME SAY, WELL, IT STARTED A
LONG TIME AGO.
BUT I GUESS THE BIGGEST ISSUE,
EVEN THOUGH THE IMMIGRATION LAW
PASSED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION
IN 1996, WELL, THERE'S NO FORMAL
AGREEMENT WITH LAOTIANS TO SEND
HMONG OR WHOEVER, CONVICTION OF
A CRIERNLINGS BACK CRIME, BACK TO LAOS.
IT'S ALMOST 24 YEARS NOW AND
THIS ISSUE RESURFACE AGAIN.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD IT
AFFECT IN WISCONSIN, TO YOUR
UNDERSTANDING?
>> TO MY ANYTHING, WE HAD ABOUT
300 INDIVIDUALS IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
IN THIS DISTRICT WE COMBINE HERE
WITH CHICAGO AS WELL, TOO, SO
PRETTY CLOSE TO 300 INDIVIDUALS.
>> NOW, I UNDERSTAND AGAIN THAT
THIS WOULD AFFECT PEOPLE WHO ARE
NOT U.S. CITIZENS, BUT LEGAL
RESIDENTS NOW UNDER DEPORTATION
ORDER.
HOW DO PEOPLE GET DEPORTATION
ORDERS AGAINST THEM?
>> THEY SERVED THEIR TIME
ALREADY AND HAVE TIME IN THIS
COUNTRY NOW.
>> SO THE DEPORTATION ORDER
WOULD COME, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE
SOMEONE WAS CONVICTED OF A
CRIME.
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO A HMONG
PERSON DEPORTED BACK TO LAOS?
>> WELL, THE HMONG, 24 YEARS
NOW, THE HMONG BEING IN THIS
COUNTRY 45 YEARS NOW, THE HMONG
IN GENERAL
FLEE LAOS BECAUSE OF
BEING FRIENDS WITH THE UNITED
STATES.
GOING BACK IS NOT AN OPTION.
LAOS DOES NOT LEGALLY RECOGNIZE
HMONG AS CITIZENS OF LAY LAOS.
HMONGING IS AN ETHNIC GROUP IN
LAOS.
SO NOT A CITIZEN OF LAOS.
THEY WILL NOT TAKE A NONLAOTIAN
BACK, AS WELL AS THIS INDIVIDUAL
ESCAPE LAOS.
WHY WOULD THEY WANT THOSE
INDIVIDUAL BACK?
THEY ER THE ARE THE ONE THAT WANT TO
GET RID OF THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
>> WOULD IT BE DANGEROUS IN YOUR
MIND FOR A HMONG PERSON TO
RETURN TO LAOS?
>> IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS, THOSE
INDIVIDUALS ON THE LIST.
THEY COMMIT THIS CRIME WHEN THEY
WERE YOUNG.
THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN BACK TO
LAOS.
THEY CANNOT SPEAK THE LAOTIAN
LANGUAGE.
THEY HAVE NO FAMILIES OVER
THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR
THEM TO GO BACK TO A SOCIETY
THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME,
BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS WERE NOT
WELCOME IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO FOR THEM TO GO BACK IS
UNIMAGINABLE.
>> WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD FROM
WISCONSIN'S CONGRESSIONAL
DELEGATION ABOUT THIS?
>> WHAT WE HAVE ARE WISCONSIN
CONGRESSIONAL FROM BOTH THE
SENATORS AND CONGRESSIONAL AS
WELL AS THE GOVERNOR TO HAVE
WRITTEN LETTER TO THE STATE
DEPARTMENT ASKING FOR
EXPLANATION.
AND ONE, THE STATE DEPARTMENT
STOP NEGOTIATING WITH THIS
PROCESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD SO FAR.
JUST THIS WEEK, WE HAD A
TREMENDOUS REPORT AS FAR AS THE
ELECTED OFFICIALS.
>> WHAT IS YOUR FAMILY'S STORY
OF FLEEING LAOS?
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE BUT A
MINUTE LEFT.
>> WELL WITH, I'M, WE WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE
LAOS EARLY IN 1975.
BUT FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THROUGH
THIS FLEEING THE COUNTRY, HMONG,
THOUSAND AND THOUSAND HAD DIED
ALONG THIS TRAIL AND CROSSING
THE MEKONG RIVER IS NOT AN EASY
TASK.
SO THEY WANT THE ONES THAT MADE IT TO THIS
COUNTRY ARE THE LUCKY ONES.
IN THE '80s, '90s, THEY
COMMIT SOME CRIME, BUT WHEN THEY
WERE YOUNGER AND SERVING THEIR
TIME, THEY ARE BEING DEPORTED TO
A COUNTRY THEY DON'T EVEN CALL
HOME.
SO IT'S A POLICY, WHY WOULD WE
WASTE OUR RESOURCE SENDING
INDIVIDUALS BACK TO A COUNTRY
THAT IS NOT WELCOME FOR THEM?
WE COULD USE THAT RESOURCE FOR
OTHER REASONS.
>> WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE,
BUT OF COURSE WE WILL BE
WATCHING THIS.
LONG VUE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, TOO.
>> LATE THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS RELEASED A LETTER HE WROTE
TO SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE
POMPEO SAYING, IN PART, THE
POTENTIAL DEPORTATION OF HMONG
WISCONSINITES IS YET ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION'S
PROBLEMATIC DISPOSITION AND
POLICIES TOWARD IMMIGRANT
POPULATIONS.
I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER AND
REITERATE MY OPPOSITION TO ANY
AGREEMENT THAT RESULTS IN THE
DEPORTATION OF HMONG PEOPLE
LIVING IN WISCONSIN.
>> MORE NOW ON IMMIGRATION
POLICY.
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT RECENTLY
LIFTED AN INJUNCTION AND ALLOWED
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RULE
REGARDING IMMIGRANTS TO SOON
TAKE EFFECT.
IT IS A RULE DESIGNED TO
CONSTRAIN LEGAL IMMIGRATION BY
REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR GREEN CARDS
AND OTHER VISAS.
IT'S CALLED THE PUBLIC CHARGE
RULE AND IT DETERMINES HOW MANY
PUBLIC BENEFITS IMMIGRANT CAN
USE BEFORE THEIR APPLICATION FOR
LEGAL STATUS IS DENIED.
FOR MORE ON THE IMPLICATIONS OF
THIS RULE CHANGE, WE TURN TO
WILLIAM PARKE SUTHERLAND, THE
COORDINATOR AT THE MADISON-BASED
KIDS FORWARD, PART OF THE
WISCONSIN COLLABORATION ON
IMMIGRANTS AND PUBLIC BENEFITS.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
>> WHO DOES THIS RULE AFFECT?
>> I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING TO REALIZE IS THAT THE
VAST MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS IT
DOES NOT AFFECT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS
ARE SAFE FROM THIS RULE.
SO PEOPLE WITH HUMANITARIAN
VISAS, PEOPLE WHO ARE REFUGEES,
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE SORT OF AS A
-- WHO ARE VICTIMS OF CRIMES OR
VICTIMS OF TRAFFICKING.
SO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE SAFE
AND ARE NOT IMPACTED.
THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING IS
THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR GREEN
CARDS ALREADY, AS LONG AS THEY
DON'T LEAVE THE U.S. FOR SIX
MONTHS, THEY ARE ALSO SAFE.
SO THIS DOES NOT AFFECT
CITIZENSHIP.
>> OF THE PEOPLE IT DOES AFFECT,
THOUGH YOU SAY IT IS A SMALL
KIND OF SLICE, WHAT KINDS OF
PUBLIC BENEFITS FALL UNDER THIS
NEW DEFINITION?
>> YEAH.
SO THAT IS ALSO FAIRLY NARROW.
I MEAN, PEOPLE SORT OF THINK
THAT THERE'S A WHOLE SCOPE OF
BENEFITS THAT IS INCLUDED.
AND IT'S MEDICAID, SO MEDICAID
AND LONG-TERM CARE, SO
BADGERCARE IN WISCONSIN.
THE HOUSING ASSISTANCE,
FOODSHARE OR SNAP, AND THEN CASH
ASSISTANCE, SO LIKE W-2.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF
PROGRAMS THAT ARE NOT IMPACTED,
LIKE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,
MARKETPLACE CREDIT, SO IF YOU
GET HEALTH INSURANCE THEN, AND
THE WOMEN, INFANTS AND CHILDREN
PROGRAM IS ALSO NOT IMPACTED.
>> SO SOME IMPORTANT PROGRAMS
ARE NOT IMPACTED, BUT THIS IS
CAUSING A LOT OF FEAR AND
ANXIETY AMONG PEOPLE THESE
COMMUNITIES.
FOR AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, WE WANT
TO LISTEN TO CAROLINE GOMEZ-TOM
FROM THE 16TH STREET COMMUNITY
HEALTH CENTER IN MILWAUKEE, WHO
DESCRIBES PEOPLE WORRYING THAT
THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY MONEY BACK
THAT THEIR CHILDREN HAVE
RECEIVED.
>> YEAH.
>> WE'VE ALSO SEEN WOMEN WHO ARE
PREGNANT THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR
THE PRENATAL PROGRAM, BADGERCARE
PROGRAM THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN
THE PUBLIC CHARGE RULE NOT WANT
PRENATAL SERVICES AND CARE AT
OUR CLINIC AS WELL OR JUST AT
COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS
GENERALLY.
>> SO IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT
YOU'RE HEARING?
>> YEAH.
AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH
CAROLINE AND WE'VE HAD HEARD
FROM PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
THAT, YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE
DECLINING PRENATAL SERVICES OR
ENROLLMENT FOR WOMEN, INFANTS
AND CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THAT
THAT'S GOING DOWN.
AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT
IMPACTED BY THE RULE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THIS IS
KIND OF YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION KIND OF
WRONGLY DISCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM
ACCESSING BENEFITS THAT HELP
THEIR FAMILIES MEET BASIC NEEDS
AND SO MANY OF THOSE BENEFITS
AREN'T INCLUDED AND SO MANY OF
THOSE PEOPLE ARE EXEMPT FROM
THIS PUBLIC CHARGE RULE.
>> SO WHAT IS YOUR ORGANIZATION
AND OTHERS DOING TO KIND OF
REACH OUT TO IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE WORRIED
ABOUT THIS?
WE WITH UNDERSTAND THE WORRY HAS
RIPPLED ACROSS THE COUNTRY?
>> YEAH.
THE CHILLING EFFECT, IT'S A FAR
WORSE CONSEQUENCE THAN WHO'S
DIRECTLY ACTUALLY IMPACTED BY
THE RULE.
SO THE COLLABORATION ON
IMMIGRANTS AND PUBLIC BENEFITS
HAVE PUT TOGETHER
EASY-TO-UNDERSTAND FACT SHEETS
ABOUT WHO THE RULE IMPACTS,
WHO'S SAFE FROM THE RULE.
WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF PROGRAMS
THAT PEOPLE CAN SAFELY USE.
WE HAVE A FACT SHEET
SPECIFICALLY ON CHILDREN AND HOW
THIS RULE IMPACTS THEM AND IT
IMPACTS THEM MUCH LESS THAN
ADULTS.
SO CHILDREN CAN SAFELY USE
MEDICAID PROGRAMS.
SO CHILDREN CAN BE ON
BADGERCARE.
WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO COUNTER
THIS YEAR.
AND THE BEST WAY TO COUNTER THAT
FEAR IS THROUGH ACTS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE LEAVE IT THERE.
WILLIAM PARKE SUTHERLAND, KIDS
FORWARD, THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> IN MEDICAL NEWS, AN UPDATE ON
THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK
AND THE STATUS OF WISCONSIN
CASES.
AS OF TODAY, THERE REMAINS JUST
ONE POSITIVE TEST RESULT IN THE
STATE.
THAT PERSON HAS BEEN RECOVERING
AT HOME.
14 OTHER CASES PENDING FOR TEST
OUTCOMES HAVE COME BACK
NEGATIVE.
THIS WEEK UW-MADISON ANNOUNCED
SCIENTISTS ON CAMPUS WILL BE AT
THE LEADING EDGE OF RESEARCH TO
UNDERSTAND THE NEW VIRUS.
A SAMPLE OF THE CORONAVIRUS
BEING USED CAME FROM THE UW
HOSPITAL WHERE THE DANE COUNTY
PATIENT WHO TESTED POSITIVE WAS
SEEN.
THOMAS FRIEDRICH IS A PROFESSOR
AT THE UW SCHOOL OF VETERINARIAN
MEDICINE.
HE JOINS US NOW.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> I READ AND SEE THAT THE
DISEASE IS NOW BEING CALLED
COVID-19.
WHY IS THAT?
>> SO THE VIRUS NEEDS A NAME.
COVID-19 STANDS FOR CORONAVIRUS
DISEASE, 2019.
JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, THE GLOBAL
RESEARCH COMMUNITY DECIDED THAT
THAT'S THE NAME WE SHOULD CALL
IT.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS MUCH MORE
SCIENTIFIC THAN THAT.
WHAT IN PARTICULAR ARE YOU
LOOKING TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS?
>> WEMENT WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE
SORT OF EVENTS HAPPEN.
ABOUT 75% OF MAJOR HUMAN
INFECTIOUS DISEASES COME
ORIGINALLY FROM ANIMALS, LIKE
THIS VIRUS IS THOUGHT TO DO, BUT
THERE ARE MILLIONS OF VIRUSES
AND PARA SITES INFECTING ANIMALS
THAT NEVER BECOME MAJOR HUMAN
DISEASES.
SO WE LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT
CAME TO BE.
>> AND WHAT IS THE END GOAL THEN
OF THAT RESEARCH?
>> SO THE END GOAL IS TO
UNDERSTAND HOW VIRUSES EVOLVE
AND THE PATHWAYS THEY NEED TO
TAKE TO GET FROM ANIMALS TO
HUMANS AND THEN BECOME SOMETHING
THAT CAN BE TRANSMITTED FROM ONE
HUMAN TO ANOTHER.
THEY HAVE TO OVERCOME A LOT OF
EVOLUTIONARY BARRIERS TO DO THAT
AND I THINK THAT THE MORE
EXAMPLES WE HAVE OF PATHOGENS
THAT DO THIS, THE BETTER WE CAN
DEFINE WHAT THOSE BARRIERS ARE
AND HOW THEY OVERCOME THEM AND
THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOPEFULLY
HOW TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING.
>> HOW WELL-POISED IS U.S.
MADISON TO REALLY CRACK THIS
CASE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD
ON THIS AND OTHER KIND OF
EMERGING ILLNESSES?
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSCORE THAT THIS IS TRULY A
GLOBAL EFFORT, THAT THERE ARE SO
MANY PIECES TO THE PUZZLE THAT
NO ONE TEAM IS LIKELY GOING TO
BE ABLE TO CRACK THE CASE FOR
EVERYONE.
SO I THINK WE ALL ARE TRYING TO
CONTRIBUTE IN THE WAY THAT WE
CAN.
ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THE
GROUP I'M WORKING WITH IS TRYING
TO DO IS GET RESEARCHERS TO BE
MORE OPEN ABOUT THE DATA THAT
THEY ARE GENERATING.
SO IN A TIME LIKE THIS, IT'S
DIFFICULT TO KNOW EVEN THE MOST
BASIC THINGS ABOUT THE BIOLOGY
OF THE NEW VIRUS AND THE
DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE IN
LABORATORIES AROUND THE WORLD AS
WE START TO STUDY THESE VIRUSES
WILL AFFECT HOW WELL AND HOW
QUICKLY WE CAN HAVE ANSWERS TO
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW
THE VIRUS GROWS AND WHAT CELLS
IT INFECTS AND HOW IT'S
TRANSMITTED AND SO FORTH.
AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
THINGS I THINK IS THAT EARLY ON
THERE MAY BE FAILURES IN
RESEARCH.
SO WE MAY TRY SOMETHING IN OUR
LAB AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND THERE'S REALLY TRADITIONALLY
NOT A GOOD MECHANISM TO
COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE OUTSIDE
WORLD.
OR IF WE FIND SOMETHING AND IT
DOES WORK, THERE'S NOT A GOOD
WAY TO MAKE THAT INFORMATION
AVAILABLE RAPIDLY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SHARE OUR
DATA AS QUICKLY AS WE GET IT SO
OTHER GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD
CAN BUILD ON OUR SUCCESSES OR
LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.
>> IS IT TRUE THAT OTHER
RESEARCHERS, SCIENTISTS ACROSS
THE WORLD, PERHAPS AREN'T BEING
AS OPEN AS YOUR TEAM WOULD LIKE
TO SEE?
>> I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE
NATURALLY CAUTIOUS.
SO, NOW RESEARCH IS A HUMAN
ENTERPRISE AND SOMETIMES WE MAKE
MISTAKES.
SOMETIMES WE MAY JUMP TO
CONCLUSIONS BASED ON A FEW
INITIAL FINDINGS AND THOSE DON'T
PAN OUT.
AND SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE WARY,
ESPECIALLY IN A VERY POLITICALLY
CHARGED SITUATION WHERE THERE'S
A LOT OF CONCERN AND WORRY THAT
IF THEY INTERPRET THEIR FIRST
FEW FINDINGS INCORRECTLY, THAT
THAT MAY UNNECESSARILY WORRY
SOMEONE.
OR THAT IT MAY UNNECESSARILY
CALM THINGS.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
BUT I THINK THE NEED TO RAPIDLY
STAND UP, RESEARCH ENTERPRISE OF
THIS SIZE, MAKES IT IMPORTANT
THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENT.
>> LRT.
WE NEED TO LEAVE IT THERE.
DR. FRIEDRICH, THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> NOW FOR AN UPDATE ON THE
STATE'S JUVENILE CORRECTIONAL
INSTITUTIONS.
WEDNESDAY THE JOINT FINANCE
COMMITTEE VOTED AGAINST FUNDING
FOR TWO FACILITIES MEANT TO
REPLACE LINCOLN HILLS AND COPPER
HILLS.
THE FACILITIES WERE SLATED FOR
PEOPLE AND HORTONIA NEAR
APPLETON.
BUT THE COMMITTEE BLOCKED
BUILDINGS APPROVALS FOR BOTH
SIDES, WITH REPUBLICANS SAYING
THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO
FUND THEM.
PLANS CALLED FOR CLOSING THE
TROUBLED STATE-RUN YOUTH PRISONS
JUST NORTH OF WAUSAU BY 2021.
THE PARTY-LINE DECISION TO
DECLINE $73 MILLION FOR THE NEW
IMPROVED FACILITIES HAS PUT
THOSE PLANS IN QUESTION.
>> THAT IS OUR PROGRAM FOR
TONIGHT.
PRIMARY ELECTION NEWS ON NEXT
FRIDAY NIGHT'S PROGRAM.
I'M F FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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