>> 10 DEMOCRATS ON ONE STAGE,
EACH SEEKING THE ATTENTION AND
THE VOTE TO MOVE AHEAD TO
NUMBER ONE.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM
KNOWS WISCONSIN IS MOST
IMPORTANT IN THE 2020 ELECTION
FOR PRESIDENT.
SO HOW DID THEY FARE IN THE
EYES OF THE WISCONSIN
ELECTORATE?
FOR THAT WE TURN TO POLITICAL
ANALYST FORMER POLITICIAN
HIMSELF UW MILWAUKEE PROFESSOR
EMERITUS MORDECAI LEE.
THANKS A LOT FOR BEING HERE.
WHO WOULD YOU DECLARE AS THE
WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THE THIRD
DEMOCRATIC DEBATE?
>> WELL, AS A WISCONSINITE I
ROOT FOR THE UNDERDOG FOR THE
MAVERICK.
I THINK IF WE SET ASIDE THE BIG
THAOE -- THREE THAT SOME HAD
GOOD NIGHTS.
BOOKER, KLOBUCHAR WERE THE
STAND-OUTS IF WE MOVE AWAY FROM
THE NOISE OF THE BIG THREE.
>> LET'S LOOK AT ONE EXCHANGE
FROM LAST NIGHT THAT FOCUSED ON
HEALTHCARE.
BERNIE SANDERS AND AMY
KLOBUCHAR ON THE PROS AND CONS
OF A MEDICARE FOR HEALTH PLAN.
>> I WROTE THE DAMN BILL IF I
MAY SAY SO.
INTEND TO ELIMINATE ALL
OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES.
>> WHILE BERNIE WROTE THE BILL,
I READ THE BILL.
AND ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE BILL
IT SAYS THAT WE WILL NO LONGER
HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE AS WE
KNOW IT.
>> SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN OUCH
MOMENT.
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
>> WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING IN
POLITICS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE
WILL YOU GO FOR INCREMENTALISM.
MODEST CHANGE OR RADICAL CHANGE.
BERNIE SANDERS IS THE ULTIMATE
EXAMPLE OF RADICAL CHANGE.
KLOBUCHAR IS TRYING TO RUN IN
THE MIDDLE BUT NOT GET KILLED
IN THE PRIMARIES.
HARD TO GET ENTHUSIASTIC FROM
THE VOTERS FOR BEING MODERATE.
I THINK SHE HAD A GOOD MOMENT
THERE BUT STILL A TOUGH PLACE
TO BE POLITICALLY.
>> IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT
INTERACTION AMONGST THE
CANDIDATES ON MEDICARE FOR ALL
DELINEATES THE SPLIT BETWEEN
THE HARD LEFT AND MORE MODERATE
DEMOCRATS.
IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> IT DOES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST LOOKING
FORWARD, I THINK MEDICARE FOR
ALL MIGHT BE POLITICAL
QUICKSAND.
I CAN IMAGINE A REPUBLICAN
ATTACK COMMERCIAL THAT SAYS TO
PEOPLE DO YOU WANT TO HAVE
TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU YOUR
EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE?
AND GIVEN THAT MOST AMERICANS
HAVE EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE,
I THINK THAT WOULD RADICALLY
CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION.
AND SO THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH
STANCE.
THAT'S WHY SHE WAS TRYING TO
SAY AND BIDEN WAS TRYING TO SAY
LET'S GO FOR INCREMENTISM.
POLLING HAS JOE BIDEN FAVORED
BY 51% AND PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP BY 42% AMONG WISCONSIN
REGISTERED VOTERS.
WHAT COULD UPSET THAT KIND OF
LEAD IN WISCONSIN IN THE COMING
MONTHS?
>> I THINK MOST OF THOSE
RESULTS ARE NAME RECOGNITION.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS PERSON?
DO YOU KNOW THIS PERSON?
AS SOON AS WE START GETTING
RESULTS FROM IOWA AND NEW
HAMPSHIRE, I THINK THOSE POLL
RESULTS WILL FADE INTO THE PAST
BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE WILL BE
CONCENTRATING ON THE VIABLE
CANDIDATES OF THOSE 10.
BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE
STAND-OUTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
>> NOW, YOU HAVE A PREDICTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.
>> OKAY.
I'M GOING TO PREDICT THAT IT
WILL NEITHER BE SANDERS OR
BIDEN.
I JUST HAVE A FEELING THEY
AREN'T GOING TO WEAR WELL.
NOW, I MIGHT BE WRONG AND IF
I'M WRONG I HOPE YOU WILL ERASE
THIS TAPE.
I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS
WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE THEY
WANT A NEW FACE AND A YOUNGER
FACE.
>> SO YOU MAKE THAT PREDICTION
THAT IT WILL BE NEITHER BIDEN
NOR SANDERS AND YOU SAY A NEW
FACE.
LIKE WHO?
>> OH GOSH, HOW ABOUT ANY OF
THE OTHER EIGHT OR THE OTHER
SEVEN, IT SEEMS TO ME.
I THINK THEY ALL SHOWED
THEMSELVES TO BE ARTICULATE AND
POLICY -- THEY KNEW WHAT THEY
WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M GUESSING 7 OF THOSE 10 WILL
BE ATTRACTIVE CANDIDATES.
>> ALL EYES ARE ON WISCONSIN AS
THE CRUCIAL BATTLEGROUND STATE
OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
WHAT IN YOUR MIND IS GOING TO
WIN THE VOTE OF WISCONSIN
INDEPENDENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE
FLIPPED SAY FROM BARACK OBAMA
TO DONALD TRUMP?
>> WISCONSIN IS SUCH A DIVIDED
STATE.
WHEN IN THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION IT WAS WON BY ABOUT
22,000 VOTES OVER I THINK IT
WAS 2 1/2 MILLION VOTES CAST.
IN THE LAST SUPREME COURT
ELECTION WON BY 6,000 VOTES.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A
STATISTICIAN THAT'S A RANDOM
RESULT.
THAT'S JUST SO UNPREDICTABLE.
SO I GUESS THE LESSON HERE SAYS
THAT EVERY VOTE COUNTS.
YOU CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR
GRANTED.
AND IN PARTICULAR WHAT HAPPENED
WITH CLINTON IS SHE DID NOT
EXCITE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS
IN MILWAUKEE.
AND SO YOU NEED A CANDIDATE WHO
WOULD DO THAT.
CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO LIKE TRUMP
ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
BUT WISCONSIN HAS SUCH A NEW
CATEGORY OF FLIP VOTERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, COLLEGE
EDUCATED WOMEN.
THAT IS THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC.
WHOEVER WINS THEM WILL WIN
WISCONSIN.
>> FOR A POLITICAL JUNKIE LIKE
YOURSELF HOW EXCITING IS THIS
RACE AND WISCONSIN'S PLACE IN
IT?
>> YOU KNOW, FREDERICA, I'VE
BEEN FOLLOWING WISCONSIN
POLITICS SINCE THE 1960s.
I NEVER IMAGINED THAT WISCONSIN
WOULD BE THE CENTER OF THE
POLITICAL UNIVERSE.
I THINK IT'S NOT AN
EXAGGERATION TO SAY THAT WE IN
WISCONSIN WILL ELECT THE NEXT
PRESIDENT.
THAT'S ASTONISHING FOR SUCH A
SMALL STATE.
WE HAVE 10 ELECTORAL COLLEGE
VOTES.
THERE ARE SO FEW STATES THAT
CAN FLIP.
IN FACT, AT THE BEGINNING OF A
STATEMENT YESTERDAY LISTED HALF
A DOZEN STATES THAT WERE
TARGETS FOR DEMOCRATS.
WISCONSIN WAS ON IT.
SO I THINK WE CAN SORT OF SIT
BACK AND ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE'RE
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE OR IN IOWA.
THAT'S HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE HERE.
>> ALL RIGHT, MORDECAI LEE
WE'LL SPEAK WITH YOU AS THE
MONTHS GO BY.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
EVEN AS DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT DEBATED IN TEXAS, THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN PAID A VISIT TO
WISCONSIN.
SENIOR CAMPAIGN ADVISOR
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE APPEARED AT
UW-MADISON AND SPOKE AT A RALLY
SPONSORED BY THE CAMPUS COLLEGE
REPUBLICANS.
>> THEIR POLITICS AND IDEOLOGY,
WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT FORWARD
IS REALLY SOCIALISM.
IT WILL CREATE STAGNANT WAGES
AND LESS JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WHY WOULD WE LET THEM
SQUANDER THE 6 MILLION NEW JOBS
ALREADY CREATED?
I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, THE
UNITED STATES, PRESIDENT TRUMP
IS REELECTED IN 2020, AMERICA
WILL NEVER BE