>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS A
PBS WISCONSIN ORIGINAL
PRODUCTION.
>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE & NOW," A
POLICE REFORM PROTEST IN MADISON
TURNS VIOLENT.
WHAT LED US HERE?
AN INTERVIEW WITH UW-MADISON'S
DR. SAMI SCHALK.
PLUS, WISCONSIN VIEWS ON THE
PROTEST MOVEMENT, THE COVID
PANDEMIC AND THIS YEAR'S
ELECTION.
CHARLES FRANKLIN JOINS US FOR A
LOOK AT THE POLL NUMBERS.
FINALLY, A CLOSER LOOK AT
PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS, AS BOTH
THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
MADE STOPS IN WISCONSIN.
IT'S "HERE & NOW" FOR JUNE 26.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS
PROVIDED FOR THE FOCUS FUND FOR
JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
WISCONSIN.
>> THIS WEEK THE ARREST OF A
BLACK ACTIVIST IN MADISON
SPARKED A PROTEST THAT TURNED
VIOLENT.
STATE BUILDINGS WERE TARGETED,
STATUES TOPPLED AND A DEMOCRATIC
STATE SENATOR ATTACKED.
REPORTER TREVOR KELLER TAKES A
CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND
THE FALLOUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF
THE VIOLENCE.
>> WEDNESDAY MORNING SAW WORKERS
CLEANING UP DAMAGE ON THE
CAPITOL GROUNDS AFTER A NIGHT OF
VIOLENT PROTESTS.
THE PROTESTS FOLLOWED THE ARREST
OF ACTIVIST DEVONERE JOHNSON ON
TUESDAY.
>> YOU'RE RACIST!
>> VIDEO SHOWS JOHNSON ENTERING
THE COOPERS TAVERN WITH A BAT
AND A MEGAPHONE.
>> I WOULDN'T BE IN HERE RIGHT
NOW IF THIS TOWN WASN'T RACIST!
>> VIDEO SHOWS SEVERAL OFFICERS
DETAINING AND ARRESTING JOHNSON.
>> WHAT AM I BEING ARRESTED FOR?
>> HE WAS CHARGED WITH
DISORDERLY CONDUCT WHILE ARMED,
RESISTING ARREST AND ATTEMPTED
ESCAPE.
>> BLACK LIVES MATTER!
BLACK LIVES MATTER!
>> PEACEFUL PROTESTS FOR RACIAL
JUSTICE AND POLICE REFORM HAVE
BEEN A COMMON SIGHT AROUND THE
CAPITOL FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
HOWEVER, FOLLOWING JOHNSON'S
ARREST A GROUP OF PROTESTERS
TOOK A MORE AGGRESSIVE TONE.
A FIREBOMB WAS THROWN THROUGH
THE CITY-COUNTY BUILDING.
TWO STATUES NEAR THE CAPITOL
WERE TORN DOWN.
STATE SENATOR TIM CARPENTER SAYS
HE WAS ATTACKED WHILE TAKING
VIDEO OF PROTESTERS.
>> LEAVE MY PHONE ALONE.
>> HE WAS TREATED BY MEDICS AND
LATER TWEETED HE WAS SORE AND
MAY HAVE SUFFERED A CONCUSSION.
GOVERNOR TONY EVERS ISSUED A
RESPONSE EARLY WEDNESDAY,
SAYING, QUOTE, "I WANT TO BE
CLEAR.
VIOLENCE AGAINST ANY PERSON,
WHETHER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
STREET IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, AT
HOME TRYING TO SLEEP, GOING FOR
A RUN OR HAPPENING UPON A
PROTEST AS WAS THE CASE LAST
NIGHT, IS WRONG."
ASSEMBLY REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP
CALLED FOR MADISON MAJOR SATYA
RHODES-CONWAY AND GOVERNOR EVERS
TO TAKE MORE FORCEFUL ACTION
AGAINST VIOLENT PROTESTERS.
>> HOW ABOUT WITHIN A MATTER OF
HOURS WE'RE ABLE TO DEPLOY THE
POLICE?
IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIORITIES ARE
UPSIDE DOWN.
WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE
TAXPAYERS MONEY JUST CLEANING
UP.
>> ACTIVIST EBONY
ANDERSON-CARTER SPOKE NEAR THE
STATUE TITLED "FORWARD."
>> WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS.
>> REPORTING IN MADISON FOR
"HERE & NOW," I'M TREVOR
KELLER.
>> TUESDAY'S PROTESTS IN MADISON
IS SPARKING A DEEPER DEBATE
ABOUT HOW FAR IS TOO FAR.
DR. SAMI SCHALK IS AN ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
GENDER AND WOMEN'S STUDIES AT
THE UW-MADISON.
HER SPECIALTY IS THE
INTERSECTION OF RACE, GENDER AND
DISABILITY.
SHE TALKED TO MARISA WOJCIK THIS
WEEK.
AS AN ACTIVIST HERSELF, SHE ALSO
SPOKE TO WHAT LIKELY SPARKED
THEM.
>> IN RESPONSE TO THE PROTEST
LAST NIGHT AT THE CAPITOL YOU
TWEETED THIS MORNING PEOPLE IN
MADISON CLUTCHING THEIR PEARLS
AS IF FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN
PROTESTING AND MARCHING IN THE
STREETS SHOUTING "NO JUSTICE, NO
PEACE."
YOU DON'T SEEM SURPRISED BY THE
EVENTS LAST NIGHT, AND YOU SPOKE
TO THIS A BIT.
WHAT DO YOU KIND OF EXPECT GOING
FORWARD?
>> YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, I ANTICIPATE THAT
THERE WILL BE A WAVE OF
REPRESSION, SO I ANTICIPATE --
GOVERNOR EVERS ALREADY SAID THAT
HE'S PREPARED TO PUT OUT THE
NATIONAL GUARD.
ANYTIME THE STATE KIND OF TRIES
TO PUSH BACK, PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO PUSH BACK MORE.
SO RATHER THAN SAYING WE HEAR
YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO DO
SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM
THAT YOU ARE SO UPSET ABOUT,
THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SO HARMED BY,
INSTEAD THERE'S THIS MASS
SUPPRESSION.
AND WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS,
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACT OUT EVEN
MORE.
WHEN YOU PUT MORE VIOLENCE ON
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT
VIOLENCE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET
VIOLENCE BACK.
AND I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE
THAT PROPERTY DESTRUCTION IS
VIOLENCE.
I THINK THAT IT IS A WAY THAT
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
DISEMPOWERED AND HAVE NO OTHER
WAY TO EXPRESS THEIR POWER OTHER
THAN TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN
EXPRESS THEIR POWER.
RIGHT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE
MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR COULD BE
DOING, BUT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE,
THESE LIKE 17 TO 25-YEAR-OLDS
FOLKS OUT IN THE STREETS, WHAT
POWER DO THEY HAVE BESIDES TO
STREAM THE STREETS AND PULL DOWN
A STATUE TO SAY WE'RE HERE AND
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO US.
SO I ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S
GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING UNTIL
THINGS SHIFT IN TERMS OF THE WAY
THAT THE CITY RESPONDS AND THE
CITY HAS REALLY BEEN RESPONDING
WITH THESE PLACATING MEASURES
AND THEN GOING BEHIND OUR BACK.
THAT VIDEO THAT CAME OUT OF THE
MAYOR SPEAKING TO THE POLICE, NO
ONE TRUSTS HER NOW.
NO ONE BELIEVES SHE'S ON OUR
SIDE IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
AND, SO, YEAH, THE TRUST HAS
REALLY BEEN BROKEN BETWEEN FOLKS
WHO REALLY WANTED TO BELIEVE IN
THE LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE ETHOS OF
MADISON THAT REALLY THINKS OF
ITSELF AS THIS SPECIAL LITTLE
GEM, SO DIFFERENT THAN THE REST
OF WISCONSIN.
AND WE SEE THAT IT'S ALL JUST A
FACADE.
SO FOLKS ARE REALLY FED UP.
SO YEAH.
I ANTICIPATE THAT WHAT WE SAW
LAST NIGHT IS NOT THE END OF
THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE
MORE PUSHBACK FROM THE POLICE
AND FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD.
I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL PROBABLY
BE GASSING OCCURRING AGAIN AND
RUBBER BULLETS, BECAUSE THIS IS
THE WAY THEY RESPOND TO PEOPLE
EXERCISING THE LITTLE BIT OF
POWER THAT THEY HAVE.
>> YOU ARE HOPING FOR REAL,
SUBSTANTIVE, LONG-TERM CHANGE AS
AN OUTCOME OF ALL OF THIS.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE
SPECIFICALLY TO YOU?
>> YEP.
THAT LOOKS LIKE GETTING COPS OUT
OF SCHOOLS IMMEDIATELY.
THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE THING THAT
WE CAN DO.
IT'S SUMMER.
BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS,
WE FIND NO COPS, ABSOLUTELY NO
COPS IN SCHOOLS.
IT MEANS DEFUNDING THE POLICE IN
THIS CITY AND REDIRECTING THOSE
RESOURCES TO OTHER AREAS TO
PROVIDE THE KINDS OF SUPPORT
THAT WE NEED.
WE UNDERSTAND IN THE MOVEMENT
THAT SOME OF THE JOBS THAT COPS
DO ARE NECESSARY, RIGHT?
LIKE WE NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN
BLOCK TRAFFIC SOMETIMES WHEN
THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A POLICE
OFFICER WITH A GUN.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.
WE'RE DOING IT OURSELVES WITH
OUR CARS.
IT'S FINE.
RIGHT?
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE
RESOURCES, SOME OF THOSE
RESOURCES NEED TO BE REDIRECTED
INTO SAFETY AND TO MAKING SURE
THAT THERE ARE THINGS TO HELP
FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING MENTAL
HEALTH CRISES.
ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE POLICING
WITH GUNS AND THEY HAVE WAY TOO
MUCH POWER AND CONTROL.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFUNDING OF
POLICE AND REDIRECTING THOSE
RESOURCES INTO THE SPACES WE
ACTUALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS CITY
SAFE AND USABLE FOR A WHOLE LOT
OF FOLKS.
SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS.
AND THEN COMMUNITY CONTROL.
THAT EVEN WHEN WE DEVELOP THOSE
SAFETY COMMITTEES TO CREATE
SAFETY, IT HAS TO BE UNDER
COMMUNITY CONTROL, MEANING THAT
INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, NOT PAID
MEMBERS WHO ARE LIKE WORKING FOR
THE STATE, BUT INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE
ABLE TO SAY WE FIRE YOU OR WE
REPRIMAND YOU OR WHATEVER, THAT
THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO
THE COMMUNITY, NOT TO
THEMSELVES.
WITH THE POLICE UNION, THE ONLY
PEOPLE THAT CAN REPRIMAND POLICE
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE POLICE.
THAT MAKES NO SENSE, MAKES NO
SENSE FOR THEM TO BE THE ONES
THAT ARE SO-CALLED KEEPING
THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
THIS IS NO WAY TO HOLD PEOPLE
ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY'RE JUST
DOING IT WITHIN A GROUP.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY
CONTROL OF POLICE.
THEY NEED TO BE OUT OF SCHOOLS.
AND THEY NEED TO BE DEFUNDED.
THAT'S OUR FIRST KIND OF MAJOR
THING.
BUT OF COURSE THERE ARE ALL
KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE
WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE
PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE, INCLUDING
MIGHT WHITE FOLKS, INCLUDING
STRAIGHT FOLKS LIKE Y'ALL, WE
WANT Y'ALL TO BE OKAY, TOO.
BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN,
WE HAVE TO BE OKAY.
THAT'S WHY WE STRESS FOLKS WHO
ARE MOST MARGINALIZED AND
OPPRESSED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
NEEDS TO CHANGE.
>> GOVERNOR EVERS ONCE AGAIN
DEPLOYED THE WISCONSIN NATIONAL
GUARD TO PROTECT STATE PROPERTY.
WE INVITED THE GOVERNOR TO JOIN
US THIS WEEK, BUT WERE TOLD IT
DID NOT FIT INTO HIS SCHEDULE.
THE MORNING AFTER TUESDAY'S
PROTEST IN MADISON, EVERS
RELEASED THE FOLLOWING
STATEMENT:
"ANY SINGLE ACT OF INJUSTICE
AGAINST ONE PERSON IS LESS
JUSTICE FOR ALL OF US AND PEOPLE
WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH SENATOR
CARPENTER AND WISH HIM A QUICK
RECOVERY."
>> THIS WEEK, U.S. SENATE
REPUBLICANS AND HOUSE DEMOCRATS
COULD NOT FIND COMMON GROUND ON
COMPETING POLICE REFORM BILLS.
DEMOCRATS CHARGE REPUBLICAN
POLICY PROPOSALS DON'T GO FAR
ENOUGH.
IT LOOKS LIKELY THE TWO SIDES
WILL NEED TO CAUCUS TO RECONCILE
DIFFERENCES.
LAST WEEK, WE HEARD FROM
DEMOCRAT REPRESENTATIVE MARK
POCAN.
THIS WEEK, ZAC SCHULTZ CAUGHT UP
WITH REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN
GLENN GROTHMAN FOR HIS REACTION.
>> WELL, THE BILL NANCY PELOSI
IS GOING TO PUT ON THE FLOOR IS
A DANGEROUS BILL.
WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE QUALIFIED
IMMUNITY FOR POLICE OFFICERS,
YOU ARE PUTTING THEM AT RISK BIG
TIME.
YOU WOULDN'T BE SHUTTING DOWN
THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, BUT YOU
COULD MAKE THEM VERY
INEFFECTIVE.
YOU LOOK AT THE HUGE INCREASE IN
MURDERS HERE IN MILWAUKEE, THE
INCREASE IN MURDERS IN CHICAGO.
THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO
RIGHT NOW IS HAMSTRING THE
POLICE.
AND I'M SAYING THAT FROM
SOMEBODY WHO DID TRY TO MAKE IT
EASIER TO FIRE THE POLICE AROUND
2008.
AND THERE ARE NO QUESTION IT
SHOULD BE EASIER TO REMOVE A BAD
POLICE OFFICER.
BUT TO PUNISH ALL THE POLICE
OFFICERS IS GOING TOO FAR.
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ON
THURSDAY MADE A STOP AT
MARINETTE MARINE.
TRUMP TOURED THE SHIPYARD IN
MARINETTE THAT WAS AWARDED A
$5.5 BILLION NAVY CONTRACT TO
BUILD NEW FRIGATES.
IT IS EXPECTED TO CREATE 1,000
JOBS AT THE SHIPYARD AS A RESULT
OF THAT CONTRACT.
>> BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT
RIGHT HERE IN THE AMERICAN
HEARTLAND AND IT'S GOING TO BE
BUILT BY YOU AND IT'S GOING TO
GO ON FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE
IT'S UP TO 20 SHIPS AND IT MIGHT
BE EXTENDED AND THEY'RE WORKING
ON EXTENSION RIGHT NOW AND WE'LL
SEE.
BUT JUST GO.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING YOUR
HEARTS AWAY.
>> THAT VISIT COMES JUST TWO
DAYS AFTER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE
PENCE STOPPED IN WAUKESHA COUNTY
TO KICK OFF HIS "FAITH IN
AMERICA" TOUR.
SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER ZAC
SCHULTZ WAS THERE.
>> MIKE PENCE'S OPENING WORDS
WERE NOTHING NEW FOR A
POLITICIAN.
>> WELL, HELLO, WISCONSIN!
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> YOU ALL LOOK GREAT.
THANKS FOR COMING OUT TODAY.
>> BUT "YOU LOOK GREAT, THANKS
FOR COMING OUT" CARRIES
ADDITIONAL MEANING AS THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN RENEWS IN-PERSON
RALLIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
OVER THE WEEKEND DONALD TRUMP
MET LACKLUSTER CROWDS IN TULSA,
OKLAHOMA, SO PENCE HAD TO FEEL
GOOD ABOUT THE 200 THAT
REPRESENTED A CAPACITY CROWD IN
WISCONSIN.
>> I COME TO WISCONSIN TODAY FOR
ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.
AND THAT IS THAT WISCONSIN AND
AMERICA NEED FOUR MORE YEARS OF
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP!
>> THE THREAT FROM THE
CORONAVIRUS HUNG OVER THE WHOLE
EVENT.
EVEN IF MOST OF THE ATTENDEES
CLAIMED NOT TO WORRY.
>> I HAVEN'T WORN A MASK AT ALL,
EVER.
THERE'S 350 MILLION PEOPLE IN
THIS COUNTRY, SO THE ODDS ARE
350 MILLION TO ONE.
>> TICKETS TO THE RALLY REQUIRED
A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT SAYING NO
ONE WOULD SUE THE CAMPAIGN IF
THEY BECAME AFFECTED.
ATTENDEES HAD THEIR TEMPERATURES
CHECKED AS THEY WALKED IN AND
VOLUNTEERS ACTED AGENCY USHERS,
ADJUSTING SOCIALLY-DISTANCED
CHAIRS TO THE SIZE OF THE GROUP.
MASKS WERE AVAILABLE AND WHILE
SOME WORE THEM ON THE WAY IN,
MOST TOOK THEM OFF ONCE INSIDE.
>> THEY GAVE ME ONE.
I WORE IT FOR ABOUT HALF A
MINUTE.
>> A WOMAN WHO WOULD ONLY
IDENTIFY HERSELF AS LORI SAYS
SHE'S HAD HER TRUMP-THEMED MASK
FOR MONTHS EVEN THOUGH TRUMP
HIMSELF WON'T WEAR ONE.
>> I'M NOT WEARING IT IN HERE
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO AND
WE'RE SOCIAL DISTANCING, SO I'M
GOOD.
>> COVID-19 HAS KILLED AT LEAST
119,000 PEOPLE IN THE U.S. IN
JUST A FEW MONTHS AND NEW CASES
ARE ON THE RISE IN MANY SOUTHERN
STATES.
BUT IT'S CLEAR PENCE WOULD
RATHER TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
ELSE.
HE SPENT FIVE MINUTES TALKING
ABOUT COVID-19 AND PENCE BROUGHT
UP THE CORONAVIRUS IN TERMS OF
THE ECONOMY.
>> AND THE ECONOMY ALONE WAS ON
AN INCREDIBLE ROLL.
AND THEN CAME THE WORST PANDEMIC
IN 100 YEARS.
>> THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS SAID
THE ECONOMY IS THE KEY TO
REELECTION AND PENCE HIGHLIGHTED
THAT IN HIS REMARKS.
>> WE SEE CASES THAT ARE STABLE
OR EVEN DECLINING IN 40 STATES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE SOME OUTBREAKS IN THE
SOUTH AND WE'RE FOCUSING ENERGY
ON THOSE.
BUT ALL 50 STATES ARE OPENING UP
AGAIN.
>> REPORTING FROM PEWAUKEE, I'M
ZAC SCHULTZ FOR "HERE & NOW."
>> THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION IN
MILWAUKEE WILL MOVE FROM THE
FISERV ARENA TO A SMALLER VENUE
AND BE MOSTLY REMOTE, WITH
DELEGATES BEING TOLD NOT TO
COME.
CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN AND HIS
RUNNING MATE, HOWEVER, ARE
SLATED TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION
IN MILWAUKEE.
THIS WEEK THE TRUMP AND PENCE
VISITS TO WISCONSIN COME AS
THEIR REELECTION BID HEATS UP
AGAINST FORMER VICE PRESIDENT
JOE BIDEN.
BOTH CANDIDATES HOPE TO CLAIM
WISCONSIN AFTER TRUMP NARROWLY
WON THE STATE IN 2016.
A MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL
GIVES US AN INDICATION OF HOW
THAT RACE IS TAKING SHAPE.
POLLSTER CHARLES FRANKLIN JOINS
US WITH THOSE RESULTS, AND THANK
YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE.
THANKS.
>> SO AS TO THE RACE FOR
PRESIDENT IN WISCONSIN, YOUR
POLLING FOUND THAT 49% FAVOR JOE
BIDEN TO 41% FOR DONALD TRUMP.
HOW HAVE THESE NUMBERS TRENDED?
>> THIS IS A BUMP UP FOR BIDEN
THIS MONTH.
THAT EIGHT-POINT MARGIN THIS
MONTH COMPARES TO THREE POINTS
IN MARCH AND IN MAY AND A DEAD
TIE IN FEBRUARY.
SO WE'VE SEEN SOME MOVEMENT UP.
BUT THIS MONTH A SPECIAL BUMP-UP
FOR BIDEN.
>> AND THIS IS TRENDING THAT WAY
IN POLLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> WE'VE SEEN IT IN POLLING
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE'VE SEEN IT IN A NUMBER OF
STATE POLLS AS WELL, NOT JUST
NATIONAL POLLS.
IF YOU THINK OF THE LAST SIX
WEEKS, TWO MONTHS, THEY HAVE NOT
BEEN FILLED WITH GOOD NEWS FOR
THE INCUMBENT ADMINISTRATION,
WHETHER IT'S THE PROTESTS OR THE
VIRUS OR THE ECONOMY.
AND SO THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD
TIME FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> YOU MENTIONED IT JUST A BIT
AGO, BUT HIS APPROVAL FOR HIS
HANDLING OF THE DEATH OF GEORGE
FLOYD AND CORONAVIRUS IS UPSIDE
DOWN RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE UPSIDE
DOWN ON THE HANDLING OF THE
PROTESTS.
THERE ARE THREE CRISIS ISSUES
THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
IN HANDLING THE PROTESTS, ONLY
30% APPROVE OF THE JOB PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS DOING.
58% DISAPPROVE.
ON HANDLING THE VIRUS, 44%
APPROVE.
THAT'S UNCHANGED FROM LAST
MONTH.
AND ON THE ECONOMY, 50%
APPROVES.
THAT'S STILL HIS STRONG SUIT.
BUT THAT 50% IS DOWN FOUR POINTS
FROM A MONTH AGO.
SO ACROSS THESE THREE CRISES,
YOU SEE HIS RELATIVE WEAKNESS
AND HIS DECLINING STRENGTH ON
THE ECONOMY, AND WITH THE NEWEST
ISSUE, THE PROTESTS, A KIND OF
REMARKABLY STRONG NET NEGATIVE,
30 APPROVE, 58 DISAPPROVE,
BASICALLY TWO-TO-ONE NEGATIVE.
>> WELL, IN THAT REGARD, YOUR
POLLING SHOWS ON RACE AND
POLICE, SHOWS THAT OVERALL 61%
OF RESPONDENTS APPROVE OF MASS
PROTESTS, WHILE 36% DISAPPROVE.
IS THAT A SURPRISING NUMBER TO
YOU?
>> I THINK IT'S A VERY
INTERESTING NUMBER.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE
MENTION THE COMPARISON OF 1968
WITH TODAY.
BUT THE REACTION TO THE 1968
UNREST AND RIOTS AND CIVIL
DISTURBANCES IN THE WAKE OF
ASSASSINATIONS WAS VASTLY MORE
NEGATIVE.
TODAY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING
IN THIS 60% APPROVAL NUMBER IS
THE SYMPATHY FOR THE SITUATION
OF BLACK AMERICANS WHO WE HAVE
SEEN IN VIDEOS DYING AT THE
HANDS OF THE POLICE REPEATEDLY
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THERE'S MUCH BIGGER DIFFERENCES
OVER WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
POLICE, BUT IN THIS BROAD SENSE
OF SYMPATHY, 61% IS A SOLID
MAJORITY SUPPORTING THE
PROTESTS.
AND THAT'S DESPITE THE SOMETIMES
VIOLENT NATURE OF SOME OF THOSE
PROTESTS.
>> MOVING ON TO GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS' JOB APPROVAL, YOU FOUND
THAT AMONG YOUR RESPONDENTS 54%
APPROVE OF WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING
AND 38% DISAPPROVE.
NOW, THAT HAS SLIPPED FROM A
HIGH OF 65%?
IS THAT RIGHT?
IN MARCH FOR TONY EVERS?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
IN MARCH IT WAS 65.
THEN IT FELL TO 59.
AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO THE 54.
HE WAS AT 51% IN FEBRUARY,
BEFORE THE VIRUS HIT.
SO HE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER
THAN HE WAS THEN.
BUT THE HIGH WATERMARKS THAT HE
HAD IN MARCH AND THAT MANY
GOVERNORS AROUND THE COUNTRY HAD
HAS COME BACK DOWN TO LEVELS
MUCH CLOSER TO THE NORMAL LEVEL
OF HIS SUPPORT BEFORE THE
EPIDEMIC ARRIVED.
>> ALL RIGHT.
CHARLES, WE LEAVE IT THERE.
BOY, YOU KNOW THESE NUMBERS IN
THIS POLL AND YOU HAD A LOT OF
QUESTIONS IN THIS POLL.
NICE TO HAVE YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
TAKE CARE.
>> FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL AND
MORE RESULTS, JOIN US ONLINE AT
pbswisconsin.org AND THEN CLICK
ON THE NEWS TAB.
19 COUNTIES ACROSS WISCONSIN NOW
HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF CORONAVIRUS
ACTIVITY.
THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT NOW
HAS AN ONLINE DASHBOARD THAT
SHOWS THE RISK LEVEL FOR EVERY
COUNTY IN THE STATE, WITH THE
DARKEST SHADES SHOWING WHERE
THERE IS THE HIGHEST CURRENT
RISK.
AS YOU CAN SEE, CENTRAL
WISCONSIN FROM GREEN BAY TO
EAU CLAIRE IS AT THE HIGHEST
LEVEL ALONG WITH MOST OF
SOUTHERN WISCONSIN.
THE MAP IS UPDATED EACH
WEDNESDAY.
MORE THAN 25,000 PEOPLE HAVE
TESTED POSITIVE IN WISCONSIN AND
MORE THAN 760 HAVE DIED.
>> WE ARE SEEING IN A FEW
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE
COMMUNITY SPREAD THAT IS NOT
LINKED TO A SPECIFIC OUTBREAK,
WHICH SUGGESTS TO US THAT THAT
IS THE RESULT OF REDUCED SOCIAL
DISTANCING, REDUCED ADHERENCE TO
THESE GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH
PRACTICES THAT WE'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE
BEGINNING OF THE RESPONSE.
AND SO WE CERTAINLY, AS USUAL,
WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO BE
VIGILANT ABOUT KEEPING
THEMSELVES SAFE, PRACTICING
PHYSICAL DISTANCING, REMAINING
HOME AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TO
REDUCE AND PREVENT THE SPREAD.
>> NEW COVID-19 GUIDELINES FOR
WISCONSIN SCHOOLS WERE RELEASED
THIS WEEK FOR TEACHERS, STUDENTS
AND PARENTS.
DPI SENIOR POLICY ADVISER
JENNIFER KAMMERUD PROVIDED
TESTIMONY THIS WEEK TO THE
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION.
JENNIFER KAMMERUD JOINED US
EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THANKS
VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO.
>> THANK YOU.
>> SO YOUR REOPENING PLAN IS
CALLED "EDUCATION FORWARD" AND
IT INCLUDES THE THINGS THAT WE
MIGHT EXPECT, LIKE DISTANCING,
MASKS AND SYMPTOM MONITORING.
I KNOW IT'S UP TO EACH DISTRICT,
BUT FOR A GRADE SCHOOLER, FOR
EXAMPLE, HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS
GOING TO BE TO IMPLEMENT?
>> WELL, IT'S REALLY GOING TO
DEPEND ON THE CONVERSATION THAT
THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS
WITH THEIR LOCAL HEALTH
AUTHORITY AND WITH THEIR PARENTS
IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO
OPERATE THE SCHOOL DAY.
SO FOR SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IT
MIGHT NOT LOOK THAT DIFFERENT.
YOU MIGHT BE IN SCHOOL FIVE DAYS
A WEEK, JUST WASHING HANDS MORE,
MAKING SURE YOU'RE DOING YOUR
COUGHING AND SNEEZING ETIQUETTE
AND DISTANCING STUDENTS SOME
MORE.
YOU MIGHT BE ALTERING HOW YOU
DROP OFF STUDENTS.
AND I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE
BIG DIFFERENCES MIGHT BE IN
TERMS OF BUSING, HOW YOU'RE
GETTING STUDENTS TO SCHOOL, JUST
TO TRY TO CREATE A
TRANSPORTATION SITUATION THAT IS
AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
>> AND YET AT OTHER DISTRICTS,
IT MIGHT BE MORE STRINGENT,
YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WITH THE
MASKS AND THE SYMPTOM MONITORING
AND THAT KIND OF THING?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON
THE LOCAL HEALTH SITUATION AND
THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LOCAL
HEALTH AUTHORITY AND, AGAIN,
WHAT THE COMFORT LEVEL AND
DECISION-MAKING IS AT THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT LEVEL TO PROVIDE THAT
ENVIRONMENT THAT IS AS SAFE AS
POSSIBLE.
SO SOME DISTRICTS WILL HAVE
DIFFERENT PROCEDURES IN PLACE.
THEY MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED MASKS.
THEY MIGHT HAVE -- BECAUSE OF
SOCIAL DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS
THEY'VE DECIDED ON, THEY MIGHT
HAVE A AND B SCHEDULES OR
COHORTS OF STUDENTS MOVING
THROUGH A SCHOOL.
THEY MIGHT DO A FOUR-DAY WEEK
WITH A FIFTH DAY OFF FOR
CLEANING.
THOSE ARE ALL JUST DIFFERENT
EXAMPLES.
BUT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY
IT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
TO DETERMINE.
>> AND THE PLAN CALLS FOR SOME
MIX OF VIRTUAL LEARNING AS WELL?
>> WE WERE WANTING TO BE REALLY
UP FRONT WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS
ABOUT THE NEED TO PLAN FOR
VIRTUAL EDUCATION.
THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE
BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS YOU'RE
MAKING, ONLY PART OF THE STUDENT
BODY CAN BE IN THE SCHOOL AT A
PARTICULAR TIME.
THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE
THE SCHOOL IS CLOSED AGAIN UNDER
THE ORDER OF A LOCAL HEALTH
AUTHORITY OR ON THE STATE HEALTH
AUTHORITY OR THE DISTRICT
ITSELF.
AND THERE WILL BE STUDENTS WHO
WILL BE UNABLE TO RETURN TO
SCHOOL NO MATTER WHAT THE
SITUATION BECAUSE OF CONCERNS
WITH THEIR OWN HEALTH,
UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS.
AND SO DISTRICTS REALLY DO NEED
TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE IN TERMS
OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER
LEARNING IN THOSE DIFFERENT
ENVIRONMENTS.
>> AND SO IN TERMS OF PEOPLE NOT
BEING ABLE TO RETURN TO SCHOOLS
IN PERSON, THAT HOLDS FOR
TEACHERS AS WELL, IS THAT
CORRECT, IF THEY ARE NOT
COMFORTABLE OR UNABLE UNDER
PHYSICIANS' ORDERS TO RETURN?
>> YEAH.
THERE -- YES.
THERE WILL BE STAFF WHO WILL
HAVE UNDERLYING HEALTH
CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS, AND WE
ARE ENCOURAGING THOSE STAFF TO
TALK WITH THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICTS
ABOUT WHAT MODIFICATIONS CAN BE
MADE AND HOW TO APPROACH THAT
SITUATION.
>> WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION
FROM DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE
TO THIS PLAN?
>> WELL, OVERALL, THERE IS A LOT
IN THIS PLAN, AND WE HAVE HEARD
A LOT OF POSITIVES IN TERMS OF
THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OFT THE
THINGS THAT THINK ABOUT.
VERY LITTLE IN THIS PLAN IS
REQUIRED.
IT'S PROVIDED AS A CONVERSATION
STARTER, JUMPING-OFF POINT,
THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME
OF THE LEARNING SCENARIOS AND WE
HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THESE
ARE ALL DECISIONS THEY WILL NEED
TO MAKE.
AND, AGAIN, THERE IS NO MINIMUM
CLASS SIZE.
THERE IS NO REQUIRED WAY OF
DOING IT.
EVERY DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN
UNIQUE SITUATION THAT THEY'LL
NEED TO CONSIDER.
SO REALLY THE THINGS THAT THEY
WERE LOOKING FOR WERE IDEAS ON
HOW TO HANDLE TRANSPORTATION,
CAFETERIA FOOD DISTRIBUTION, HOW
TO POTENTIALLY SOCIAL DISTANCE
IN THE SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT, HOW
TO ATTEND TO THE NEEDS OF
SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS,
ENGLISH LEARNERS AND GIFTED AND
TALENTED STUDENTS.
>> SO WHAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION
FROM PARENTS?
>> SO PARENTS I THINK LOOK AT
THE DOCUMENT DIFFERENTLY.
THIS IS, AGAIN, A COMPLEX
DOCUMENT.
AND SO A LOT OF THEM I THINK
WERE TAKING AWAY A LOT OF
DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE
AT DPI ABOUT MINIMUM CLASS SIZES
AND DOES MY SCHOOL HAVE TO DO
ONE OF THESE LEARNING MODULES
AND WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM, NO,
THAT'S JUST REALLY A
CONVERSATION YOU SHOULD HAVE
WITH YOUR LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WE LEAVE IT THERE.
JENNIFER KAMMERUD, THANKS VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING "HERE
& NOW."
STAY WELL, WISCONSIN, AND WE
WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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