- THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF OUR "HERE AND NOW" 2018
WISCONSIN VOTE ELECTION COVERAGE.
- I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE MEMBER
CONGRESSMAN MIKE GALLAGHER RESPONDS TO THE NORTH KOREAN
SUMMIT.
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR PAUL SOGLIN IS HERE.
ALSO TONIGHT, AN INSIDE LOOK AT TUESDAY'S SPECIAL ELECTION
RESULTS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR JUNE 15.
- FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
- PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP BEGAN HIS GLOBAL TRAVELS THIS WEEK IN
CANADA, AT THE G-7 ECONOMIC CONFERENCE.
BUT IT WAS HIS DEPARTURE TO SINGAPORE AND HIS SUMMIT WITH
KIM JONG-UN THAT CAPTURED THE WORLD'S ATTENTION.
POST-SUMMIT, THE PRESIDENT GUARANTEED NORTH KOREA'S
COMMITMENT TO DENUKE.
BUT THE AGREEMENT SHOWS NO DETAIL ON HOW, WHEN OR WITH WHAT
DEGREE OF U.S. SCRUTINY.
GREEN BAY CONGRESSMAN MIKE GALLAGHER IS A FORMER U.S.
MARINE AND A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.
HE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON BY PHONE.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO.
- THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
- SO WITH YOUR EXPERTISE IN INTELLIGENCE AND INTERNATIONAL
AFFAIRS, WHAT'S YOUR INITIAL TAKE ON THE DEAL PRESIDENT
TRURVE MADE WITH KIM JONG-UN?
- I SUPPORT WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS TRYING TO DO.
ALL OF US SHOULD WANT THE PRESIDENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL
BECAUSE ALL OF US WANT TO RESOLVE THIS CRISIS PEACEFULLY.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE RAISED IN
RESPONSE TO THE SINGAPORE SUMMIT.
WE HERE IN CONGRESS ARE EAGERLY AWAITING WHOEVER THE
ADMINISTRATION SENDS TO HAVE THIS HONEST DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, EVEN THE PHRASE DENUKEIZATION THAT GETS
THROWN AROUND, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIM JONG-UN MEANS WHEN HE
SAYS THAT.
THAT'S BEING FILTERED THROUGH A SOUTH KOREAN PRESS AND GETTING
DISTORTED A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IT, HE MEANS SUSPENSION OF FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAM COMBINED WITH AMERICANS GETTING
RID OF OUR PRESENCE ON THE PENINSULA AND SECURITY
GUARANTEES FOR OUR ALLIES.
IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT EXACTLY HE AGREED TO EVEN THOUGH THE
PHRASE DENUKEIZATION GETS BANDIED AROUND.
I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS RAISED AROUND THE EXTENT TO
WHICH CHINA IS VIOLATING SANCTIONS.
THE PRESIDENT SEEMED TO SUGGEST AS MUCH AFTERWARDS.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ENHANCING ECONOMIC PRESSURE ON THE
CHINESE.
THE ONE THING WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS WE DON'T WANT A
PROTRACTED NEGOTIATION PROCESS TO PLAY OUT WHILE THE MAXIMUM
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN IS SORT OF LOSING STEAM.
I GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION ENORMOUS CREDIT FOR EMBARKING ON
THE CAMPAIGN.
IT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH.
BUT WE CAN'T SLOW THAT DOWN.
IT GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO RESOLVE THIS PEACEFULLY.
- YEAH.
SO SHOULD WE TRUST NORTH KOREA?
- NOT AT ALL.
NOT FOR ONE SECOND.
ANY OBJECTIVE OBSERVER OF THE LAST 30 YEARS WOULD HAVE TO
CONCLUDE THAT THE ONLY CONSISTENT THING THEY'VE DONE IS
LIE AND VIOLATE.
IN THE '90s THEY AGREED TO HALT DEVELOPMENT ON THE
PLUTONIUM TRACK.
EVERYONE SHOULD APPROACH NORTH KOREA WITH SKEPTICISM.
TRUST BUT VERIFY.
WE NEED TO GO FURTHER, DISTRUST, DISTRUST AND DO EVERYTHING YOU
CAN TO VERIFY.
WHICH LEADS TO ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT.
THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER KIM IS
COMPLYING WITH ANY AGREEMENT, EVEN IF WE GET A MORE DETAILED
AGREEMENT LATER ON.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO OPEN UP THEIR COUNTRY TO INSPECTION MECHANISM.
IN MANY WAYS, IT MIGHT BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE CHALLENGE
WITH IRAN.
BUT THE IRAN DEAL GIVES US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO.
WE CAN'T ALLOW FOR THE COUNTER PARTY TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO
CERTAIN MILITARY SITES.
WE CAN'T IGNORE HUMAN RIGHTS.
WE CAN'T IGNORE REGIONAL BEHAVEL BEHAVIOR.
OBVIOUSLY, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION DECIDED IT WAS
GOING TO AVOID CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL, NOT SUBMIT IT TO
CONGRESS AS A TREATY.
I THINK THAT'S A LARGE REASON WHY THE AGREEMENT DIDN'T
OUT-LAST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S TERM IN OFFICE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO
SUBMIT ANY AGREEMENT THEY GET TO CONGRESS.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD ENHANCE THEIR NEGOTIATING
LEVERAGE.
I'M SORRY TO GO ON HERE, BUT THERE'S WELL-ESTABLISHED
LITERATURE ABOUT THE NATURE OF TWO-LEVEL GAMES.
THAT MEANS WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE SITS DOWN AT A NEGOTIATION, THEY
CAN POINT TO CONGRESS AND THEY WE GOT ALL THESE CRAZY PEOPLE
WHO DEMAND A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
THEY NEED TO APPROVE ANY AGREEMENT.
WE'RE INSISTING ON TOUGH CONDITIONS HERE.
THAT'S THE WAY OUR SYSTEM WORKS AND IT HELPS THE WHITE HOUSE IF
CONGRESS DEMANDS A GREATER ROLE.
- WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS.
CONGRESSMAN MIKE GALLAGHER.
- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.
- A CLOSER LOOK NOW AT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN OUR SERIES OF
INTERVIEWS WITH DEMOCRATS RUNNING IN THE PRIMARY.
TONIGHT WE SPEAK WITH PAUL SOGLIN, WHO HAS SERVED AS MAYOR
OF MADISON SINCE HIS FIRST TERM IN 1973.
HE HAD AN UNSUCCESSFUL RUN FOR THE U.S. HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES IN 1996.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
- THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
- SO WHY CAN YOU BEAT SCOTT WALKER OVER THE CANDIDATES
RUNNING IN THIS PRIMARY?
- I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE SITUATION IS IS WITH THE OTHER
CANDIDATES, BUT WE DID A POLL.
IN FACT, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT, SO TO SPEAK.
I ASKED SARAH WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF MY RUNNING.
SHE SAID YOU CAN ONLY RUN IF YOU WIN.
SO WE DID A POLL TO SEE HOW I WOULD DO HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST
SCOTT WALKER.
THERE'S BEEN OTHER POLLS.
BUT THE POINT IS YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
ARE GOING TO EXIST AS YOU APPROACH ELECTION DAY.
AND THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE
NEGATIVES OF THE CANDIDATE.
GENERIC CANDIDATE DOESN'T HAVE NEGATIVES BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS
WHO THAT PERSON IS.
SO WE KIND OF FORECASTED WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY'D SAY ABOUT ME.
FOUR THINGS: MY AGE, THE FACT THAT I WAS VERY ACTIVE IN
DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE WAR IN VIETNAM WHEN I WAS A STUDENT
AT THE UNIVERSITY, THAT I'M, QUOTE, A TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL,
AND THAT I GAVE THE KEY TO THE CITY OF MADISON TO FIDEL CASTRO.
WELL, TURNS OUT MY NUMBERS IN TERMS OF DEFEATING WALKER
ACTUALLY GET BETTER WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT.
PROBABLY IT'S A GENERATIONAL THING.
BUT IN ANY CASE, I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WITH A REALLY ROBUST
POLL THAT SHOWS ON THE ISSUES THAT I'LL DEFEAT SCOTT WALKER.
- WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO THINK YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARD
ENOUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THIS SUPPER CLUB CAMPAIGN, WHERE YOU
MOSTLY TALK WITH PEOPLE AS YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT?
- WELL, I'M AT A CONSIDERABLE DISADVANTAGE COMPARED TO MOST OF
THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES.
I'VE GOT A JOB THAT CONSUMES BETWEEN 40 AND 60 HOURS A WEEK.
AND SO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO DEFEAT SCOTT WALKER AND I INTEND
TO, I'VE GOT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.
I JUST THIS MORNING TURNED DOWN A CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE BECAUSE I
HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT NIGHT.
- LET'S RUN THROUGH THE ISSUES.
ON THE ECONOMY, YOU SAY THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FIRST.
WHY?
- WELL, AS WE'VE KNOWN FROM THE STUDIES, WHETHER YOU HAVE A JOB,
ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL
FOR A ROBUST FAMILY, IF THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE
EFFORTS IN THESE OTHER AREAS GENERALLY FAIL.
AND SO SEVERAL STATES, ARIZONA, UTAH, MINNESOTA, THEY HAVE
ROBUST HOUSING PROGRAMS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS WITH VERY LITTLE INCOME TO WORKING
FAMILIES WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD
BRINGING IN $30,000 A YEAR.
BUT IF YOU'RE SPENDING 35%, 40% OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF FOOD, YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET INTERNET SERVICES SO THE KIDS CAN DO
THEIR HOMEWORK.
HOUSING IS THE FIRST AND MOST ESSENTIAL THING FOR A ROBUST
FAMILY, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN THEN PARTICIPATE IN THE JOB
CREATION IN ALL THE OTHER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
- ON ACT 10 YOU SAY WE NEED TO RESTORE FULL COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYERS.
HOW DO YOU TRY TO DO THAT?
- WELL, KEY IS TO GET THE LEGISLATURE TO ADOPT A NEW BILL
WHICH RECOGNIZES THE ROLE OF WORKERS IN OUR STATE
HISTORICALLY, MAKING WISCONSIN A PLACE WITH HIGHER INCOMES, SAFER
WORKING CONDITIONS, ALL THE THINGS THAT RAISE THE LEVEL, THE
STANDARD OF LIVING, WHETHER YOU'RE IN ORGANIZED -- AN
ORGANIZED BARGAINING UNIT OR NOT.
- NOW, ON EDUCATION YOU CALL FOR CREET INCREASING THE INCOMEX
FOR HIGH-INCOME EARNERS AND POSSIBLY THE SALES TAX TO FUND
SCHOOLS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE APPETITE IS FOR TAX HIKES?
- WELL, FROM THE WORK WE'VE DONE, FROM THE FEEDBACK I'M
GETTING FROM THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE, THEY RECOGNIZE AND THEY
ARE PREPARED TO PAY HIGHER TAXES FOR BETTER EDUCATION.
AND LET'S POINT OUT THAT THE QUESTION OF GOOD SCHOOLS GOES
BEYOND THE CLASSROOM.
WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT -- WELL, THERE WAS A NEW YORK TIMES
ARTICLE THIS PAST WEEK.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SCHOOL?
SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEIR 60s, THEY'RE SAYING, YOU
KNOW, MY SON OR DAUGHTER HAVE NO INTENTION OF RAISING MY
GRANDCHILD IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE RECORD NUMBERS OF YOUNG WISCONSINITES WHO ARE LEAVING
OUR TOWNS AND VILLAGES.
GO AND LOOK AT THE COUNTY POPULATION STATISTICS FOR
VIRTUALLY EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE.
NORMALLY IN THE UNITED STATES, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SAME NUMBER
OF PEOPLE IN THE 58 AGE GROUP AS IN THE 20s.
IN SOME WISCONSIN COUNTIES YOU DON'T HAVE HALF AS MANY.
- YOU BELIEVE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING THE
POPULATION.
BRIEFLY, WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR
RESPONSE TO HEALTH CARE POLICY IN WISCONSIN?
- WELL, WE'VE GOT TO UNDO SO MUCH OF WHAT SCOTT WALKER HAS
DONE IN TERMS OF REJECTING FEDERAL PROGRAMS.
WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF A ROBUST MEDICAID
PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF NUTRITION CHALLENGES, BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH, SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
JUST NOW SOME POLITICIANS ARE CATCHING ON TO THE OPIOID
CRISIS.
- SO YOU WOULD GO FOR THE EX PASEXPANDED MEDICAID.
- CERTAINLY.
- PAUL SOGLIN, THANKS VERY MUCH.
- THANK YOU.
- IN TANDEM WITH OUR SERIES OF INTERVIEWS, MULTI-MEDIA REPORTER
MARISA WOJCIK WILL PROVIDE FOLLOW-UP AND CONTEXT TO
STATEMENTS MADE BY THOSE CANDIDATES.
HERE'S HER COMMENTS MADE ON BY KELDA ROYS.
- DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES TO BE WISCONSIN'S NEXT GOVERNOR HAVE
EXPRESSED DOING AWAY WITH ACT 10, LEGISLATION FROM 2011 THAT
WEAKENED UNIONS' ABILITY TO BARGAIN COLLECTIVELY AND TRIM
BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES.
KELDA ROYS SAID ON OUR PROGRAM THAT ACT 10 WAS A MISTAKE.
- AND WE'RE SEEING THE TERRIBLE EFFECTS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE
TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN GREAT TEACHERS.
- SO WHAT DOES THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR TEACHERS IN
WISCONSIN'S PUBLIC SECTOR LOOK LIKE POST-ACT 10.
A JANUARY, 2017 REPORT FROM THE WISCONSIN CENTER FOR EDUCATION
RESEARCH LOOKS AT THESE NUMBERS.
ONE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS REPORT, WISCONSIN IS NOT EXPERIENCING A
STATEWIDE TEACHER SHORTAGE.
THE STUDY ALSO REVEALS MOVEMENT AMONG SOME TEACHERS TO OTHER
DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'VE BEEN RECRUITED AND CONSIDERED FOR
HIGHER SALARIES.
CERTAIN DISTRICTS, TYPICALLY SMALLER AND WITH LOWER BUDGETS,
ARE MORE LIKELY TO STRUGGLE TO FILL VACANT POSITIONS BECAUSE
THEY CAN'T OFFER COMPETITIVE INCENTIVES.
IN 2017, WISCONSIN HAD 54,401 TEACHERS AND AVERAGED 16
STUDENTS PER TEACHER.
COMPARED WITH OTHER STATES, WISCONSIN RANKS 20TH FOR NUMBER
OF TEACHERS.
ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.
WISCONSIN IS SEEING A DECLINE OF PEOPLE ENROLLING IN AND
COMPLETING EDUCATION PREPARATION PROGRAMS.
BUT THIS IS A NATIONAL TREND.
FROM 2010 TO 2016, ENROLLMENT IN THESE PROGRAMS DECLINED 35.4% IN
THE STATE, BUT THAT FOLLOWS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE NATIONWIDE
DECLINE OF 33.6%.
AS FOR ACT 10, PETER GOFF, A UW-MADISON PROFESSOR OF
EDUCATIONAL LEADER SHI LEADERSHD POLICY ANALYSIS CAUTIONS US TO
LOOK TOWARD BETTER TARGETING OF FUNDS TO DISTRICTS IN THE STATE
THAT NEED IT.
FOR THESE AND OTHER FACTS, VISIT wpt.org/hereandnow.
- THAT WAS MARISA WOJCIK REPORTING.
IN THE MONTH LEADING UP TO THE 2018 FALL ELECTIONS, "HERE AND
NOW" IS COLLABORATING WITH WISCONSIN PUBLIC RADIO ON THEIR
BEYOND THE BALLOT SERIES, A PROJECT THAT HAS REPORTERS
TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE TO TALK TO ISS TO PEOPLE ABOUT THES
THEY FIND MOST IMPORTANT.
WE ASKED TWO MEMBERS OF WISCONSIN'S DEAF COMMUNITY HOW
THEY THINK THEIR LEGISLATORS ARE DOING IN RESPONDING TO THOSE
ISSUES.
THEY WERE SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER.
- I WANT TO SEE WISCONSIN BECOME MORE OPEN TO HAVING DEAF
PROFESSIONALS, ACCESS TO LICENSING HERE.
THERE'S SO MUCH RED TAPE TO GO THROUGH TO GET LICENSED IN THE
MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY.
OFTEN WE HAVE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM,
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THEIR LICENSING HOURS, THE RED
TAPE IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERCOME.
- I HAVE TWO.
ONE IS MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND SECOND ONE IS INTERPRETERS,
PARTICULARLY AROUND THE STATE OF WISCONSIN, LICENSURE,
CERTIFICATION, ET CETERA.
SOME INTERPRETERS ARE WORKING WITHOUT CERTIFICATION AND
LICENSURE IN THE STATE.
AND THAT PUTS PEOPLE IN VERY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT GOING TO THE HOSPITAL OR HAVING CRITICAL
SURGERY OR GOING INTO THE COURT SYSTEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IF AN INTERPRETER
MISINTERPRETS, OUR LIVES CAN BE DESTROYED.
IT HAS A VERY NEGATIVE EFFECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGES, A LOT OF DIFFICULTY KNOWING WHO
ARE THE TRULY QUALIFIED INTERPRETERS WITHIN THESE REALMS
OF OUR LIVES AND HOW OUR LIVES ARE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED AND HOW
WE CAN GET OUR VOICES HEARD THROUGH THESE INTERPRETERS AND
WORKING WITH THESE INTERPRETERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE DIDN'T MENTION BECAUSE OFTEN
WE'VE BEEN BRUSHED ASIDE HISTORICALLY.
HE IS ASKING HER WHAT SHE NEEDS.
WE DID HEAR ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH THING, THE LICENSURE
THING.
WHAT HAPPENED?
THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-UP.
THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-THROUGH ON ANYTHING.
SO THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HELP US ACHIEVE
WHAT WE NEED.
DORI, I AGREE.
THIS IS BRIAN.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEAF COMMUNITY ON, DEAF,
HARD-OF-HEARING, DEAF/BLIND COMMUNITY IS NOT LOOKING FOR A
HANDOUT.
WE JUST WANT APPROPRIATE LAWS TO PREVENT DISCRIMINATION AND GIVE
US OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK, TO PROVE OURSELVES.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE BIG DONATIONS OR HOST
POLITICAL PARTY ACTIVIST GROUPS.
BUT WE'RE HUMAN.
AND WE HAVE RIGHTS.
- FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT wpt.org/BALLOT.
- MORE POLITICS AND ELECTION COVERAGE NOW WITH AN INSIDE LOOK
AT TUESDAY'S SPECIAL ELECTION RESULTS.
THAT'S WHEN DEMOCRAT CALEB FROSTMAN BEAT ANDRE JACQUE IN
THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT AND JON PLUMER BEAT ANN GROVES LLOYD
IN THE 42nd DISTRICT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR NOVEMBER?
WE TURN TO CAPITOL CONSULTANTS' BILL MCCOSHEN AND SCOT ROSS.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
I READ IT WAS THE BLUE WAVE HITTING THE RED WALL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE OUTCOME OF THESE ELECTIONS?
- I WOULD SAY THIS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE HEADLINE
REPORTER.
THAT IS A DEMOCRATIC VICTORY, LEST WE NOT FORGET THAT IT CAME
IN A PLACE A DEMOCRAT HASN'T HELD SINCE 1977.
SO IT IS A GREAT INDICATION THAT PEOPLE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE
ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT RUNNING TO THE POLLS.
THEY CERTAINLY DID THAT.
IT BODES REALLY POORLY FOR SCOTT WALKER CONSIDERING THAT'S THE
MARKET WHERE ELECTIONS STATEWIDE ARE WON AND LOST.
- BILL?
- I THINK THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THE HEADLINE.
IF YOU LOOK BACK TO JANUARY, THE DEMOCRATIC WON A VERY REPUBLICAN
SEAT, BUT WON HANDILY.
SO TO THE EXTENT THERE WAS A BLUE WAVE IN WISCONSIN, THERE
WAS THE CREST IN JANUARY.
TUESDAY NIGHT YOU HAD A REPUBLICAN WIN A SEAT IN DANE
COUNTY.
THIS SHOULD BE THE EPICENTER OF THE BLUE WAVE.
TO THE EXTENT DEMOCRATS CAN ACTIVATE AND MOBILIZE, IT SHOULD
BE DANE COUNTY, RIGHT?
JON PLUMER WON IT BY EIGHT POINTS.
THE BLUE WAVE IS DISSIPATING, AT BEST.
- SUPREME COURT JUSTICE REBECCA DAL BDALLET WOULD PROBABLY DISAE
WITH YOU.
ONE THING ABOUT THE 42nd DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SEATS THAT HAVE A HIGHER DEMOCRATIC SEAT THAN THE
42nd.
THAT WAS A TOUGH DRAW FOR THE DEMOCRATS FOR THAT ONE TO BE ON
THE BALLOT.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
- I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ERIC HOLDER'S GROUP, THE FORMER OBAMA
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT GROUP'S EFFORTS TO FLIP
WISCONSIN.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
- SO THEY'RE TWO FOR TWO.
THEY PLAYED HARD IN THE SUPREME COURT RACE AND WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY PLAYED HARD IN THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT.
IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW MUCH THEY DID IN THE 42nd.
BUT THEY HELPED FLIP THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT.
DO THEY HAVE STAYING POWER?
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ELECTORATE IN NOVEMBER THAN ON
TUESDAY.
IN THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT ALONE THERE WILL BE AT LEAST
50,000 MORE VOTERS THAN THERE WERE ON TUESDAY.
WHEN THE PERCENTAGES NORMALIZE THEMSELVES, THAT SHOULD HELP
ANDRE JACQUE HAVE A REAL SHOT TO TAKE THAT SEAT BACK 142 DAYS
FROM NOW.
- DO YOU THINK ERIC HOLDER'S GROUP IS GOING TO PLAY THE
FIELD?
- I WOULD HOPE SO.
EVERY BIT HELPS.
AND I THINK IT SHOWS THE OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN FOR DEMOCRATS, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO
COME HERE AND SPEND MONEY.
AGAIN, BACK TO THE 1ST SENATE DISTRICT AND THE GREEN BAY
MARKET.
WHEN DEMOCRATS WIN A STATEWIDE ELECTION, THEY GET ABOUT 51% IN
THAT MARKET.
WHEN THEY LOSE, THEY GET ABOUT 40%.
SCOTT WALKER WAS THE FIRST DAY IN EIGHT DAYS HE HADN'T BEEN UP
THERE.
SO HE RECOGNIZES THAT WHEN HE'S HEMORRHAGING THINGS UP THERE,
WHETHER IT'S THE 1ST SENATE DISTRICT FOR REBECCA DALLET
GETTING 52% UP THERE.
IT'S A PROBLEM FOR HIM COME NOVEMBER.
- AS RELATES TO HOLDER, THEY HAD A NAME REDISTRICTING IN IT.
HE'S NOW PROVEN THAT YOU CAN WIN IN WISCONSIN AS A DEMOCRAT IF
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CANDIDATE FOR THE RIGHT SEAT.
THEY'VE DONE IT IN THE 10TH AND THE 1 STR.
- SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED SINCE THE WISCONSIN BROADCAST
ASSOCIATION HAD TO CANCEL THEIR DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES RUNNING IN THIS
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, HOW DID THIS HELP OR HURT THOSE CANDIDATES,
THE SHEER SIZE OF THE FIELD?
- I'D SAY IT HELPS SCOTT WALKER, NUMBER ONE.
THE FACT THAT THERE WON'T BE A STATEWIDE DEBATE, NOT A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
THERE WILL BE A NEW MARQUETTE LAW POLL OUT NEXT WEEK AND ONE A
MONTH FOR THE REST OF THE CYCLE.
BUT NONE OF THEM APPEAR TO BE GAINING MUCH MOMENTUM.
NONE OF THEM ARE GETTING ANY SEPARATION FROM THE PACK.
SO A STATEWIDE TELEVISED DEBATE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN ALL OF THEIR
INTEREST AND CANCELLING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A WIN FOR SCOTT
WALKER.
- WHO DO YOU THINK IT HELPS OR HURTS?
- I THINK IT HELPS THE DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE NOT HAVING
ONE SINGLE DEBATE, LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES.
THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT THE BROADCASTER WANTED TO DO WOULD
ELIMINATE OVER HALF OF THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE ON THE
BALLOT.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE.
THEY'RE GETTING MEDIA, TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY THINK
WILL MOVE THE STATE FORWARD AND WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THEM FROM
THEIR OPPONENTS AS WELL AS SCOTT WALKER.
I THINK IT HELPS DEMOCRATS.
I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
THE THREE OF US AND MAYBE 20 OTHER PEOPLE WERE GOING TO WATCH
IT ANYWAY.
- APPARENTLY THERE IS ANOTHER ONE BEING PUT TOGETHER.
BUT BRIEFLY, WITH ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, ALL OF THIS TRADE WAR
STUFF HAPPENING WITH DONALD TRUMP, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT
SCOTT WALKER AND HIS KIND OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE PRESIDENT?
- WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANY SEPARATION
BETWEEN GOVERNOR WALKER AND PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER THE NEXT
142 DAYS.
AS RELATES TO THOSE TRADE WARS, IT'S DICEY.
OUR FARMERS ARE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THEM.
CANADA IMPOSES HUGE TARIFFS.
WE HOPE THE PRESIDENT IS SUCCESSFUL ON THIS.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE NEW DEALS BY LABOR DAY, COULD BE PROBLEMS FOR
REPUBLICANS.
- SCOTT WALKER IS TIED TO THE HIP WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THAT'S
DISASTROUS FOR HIM COME NOVEMBER.
- WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
WISCONSIN IS AT THE CENTER OF A CASE HEARD IN FRONT OF THE
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE CASE, GILL V. WHITFORD, CONTEND THAT
WISCONSIN'S LEGISLATIVE MAPS ARE A PRODUCT OF PARTISAN
GERRYMANDERING AND ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
IN A WEEKLY ONLINE SEGMENT, MARISA WOJCIK SPOKE WITH MALIA
JONES ABOUT PACKING AND CRACKING, TWO METHODS COMMONLY
USED TO GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS.
- WE CAN FIND EVIDENCE AND THE LOWER COURT DID FIND THAT WE SEE
CRACKING AND PACKING HAPPENING IN THE WISCONSIN ASSEMBLY
DISTRICTS.
PACKING IS -- SO, AS I SAID, PACKING IS THIS PROCESS WHERE A
LARGE NUMBER OF VOTERS ARE CONCENTRATED INTO A SMALL NUMBER
OF DISTRICTS.
AND SO IT MINIMIZES THEIR REPRESENTATION IN THE WHOLE
ASSEMBLY, RIGHT?
SO THEY DO WIN SEATS IN A FEW DISTRICTS, BUT ONLY A FEW.
SO THAT'S PACKING.
AND THEN CRACKING -- AND PACKING I THINK IS A LITTLE HARD TO
ARGUE, THAT THERE WAS INTENTIONAL PACKING IN THE
WISCONSIN ASSEMBLY DISTRICT MAPS BECAUSE OF JUST THE GENERAL
PATTERNS OF SEGREGATION THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY.
CRACKING IS -- I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS A LITTLE MORE
STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ASSEMBLY DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN THE
MILWAUKEE SUBURBS AND SEE THAT THE DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN IN SUCH
A WAY AS TO DIVIDE UP DEMOCRATIC VOTES.
- TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW, VISIT WISCONSIN PUBLIC
TELEVISION'S FACEBOOK PAGE OR FIND IT ON OUR WEBSITE AT
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A RULING ON THAT CASE COULD COME MONDAY.
- NOW FOR NEWS FROM GREEN BAY, WHERE PAPER COMPANY GREEN BAY
PACKAGING ANNOUNCED PLANS TO INVEST $500 MILLION INTO A NEW
PAPER MILL.
THE COMPANY SAYS THE INVESTMENT WILL ALLOW THEM TO CREATE 200
JOBS.
THE NEW FACILITY WILL COME WITH ENVIRONMENTALLY-FRIENDLY
SYSTEMS, A SWITCH FROM COAL TO NATURAL GAS AND A WASTEWATER
SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT DISCHARGE INTO THE FOX RIVER.
THE PROJECT WILL BE ONE OF THE LARGEST IN BROWN COUNTY HISTORY.
- AND FINALLY, AN UPDATE ON AN AGRICULTURE STORY WE'VE BEEN
FOLLOWING.
THE DEADLINE FOR DAIRY FARMERS TO APPLY FOR THE FEDERAL
INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES PROTECTION WHEN MILK PRICES ARE
LOW, WE REPORTED ON THIS LAST WEEK.
WELL, THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN EXTENDED AGAIN TO NEXT FRIDAY,
JUNE 22.
YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM ON WISCONTEXT.
THAT'S ALL FOR TONIGHT'S PROGRAM.
NEXT WEEK, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR MATT FLYNN WILL BE
HERE.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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