>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART
OF OUR "HERE AND NOW" 2018
WISCONSIN VOTE ELECTION
COVERAGE.
>> I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," HOUSE
ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE MEMBER
CONGRESSMAN MIKE GALLAGHER
RESPONDS TO THE NORTH KOREAN
SUMMIT.
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR
GOVERNOR PAUL SOGLIN IS HERE.
ALSO TONIGHT, AN INSIDE LOOK AT
TUESDAY'S SPECIAL ELECTION
RESULTS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR JUNE 15.
>> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP BEGAN
HIS GLOBAL TRAVELS THIS WEEK IN
CANADA, AT THE G-7 ECONOMIC
CONFERENCE.
BUT IT WAS HIS DEPARTURE TO
SINGAPORE AND HIS SUMMIT WITH
KIM JONG-UN THAT CAPTURED THE
WORLD'S ATTENTION.
POST-SUMMIT, THE PRESIDENT
GUARANTEED NORTH KOREA'S
COMMITMENT TO DENUKE.
BUT THE AGREEMENT SHOWS NO
DETAIL ON HOW, WHEN OR WITH WHAT
DEGREE OF U.S. SCRUTINY.
GREEN BAY CONGRESSMAN MIKE
GALLAGHER IS A FORMER U.S.
MARINE AND A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.
HE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON BY
PHONE.
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR DOING SO.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> SO WITH YOUR EXPERTISE IN
INTELLIGENCE AND INTERNATIONAL
AFFAIRS, WHAT'S YOUR INITIAL
TAKE ON THE DEAL PRESIDENT
TRURVE MADE WITH KIM JONG-UN?
>> I SUPPORT WHAT THE WHITE
HOUSE IS TRYING TO DO.
ALL OF US SHOULD WANT THE
PRESIDENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL
BECAUSE ALL OF US WANT TO
RESOLVE THIS CRISIS PEACEFULLY.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
THAT HAVE TO BE RAISED IN
RESPONSE TO THE SINGAPORE
SUMMIT.
WE HERE IN CONGRESS ARE EAGERLY
AWAITING WHOEVER THE
ADMINISTRATION SENDS TO HAVE
THIS HONEST DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, EVEN THE
PHRASE DENUKEIZATION THAT GETS
THROWN AROUND, WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT KIM JONG-UN MEANS WHEN HE
SAYS THAT.
THAT'S BEING FILTERED THROUGH A
SOUTH KOREAN PRESS AND GETTING
DISTORTED A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IT, HE MEANS
SUSPENSION OF FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAM
COMBINED WITH AMERICANS GETTING
RID OF OUR PRESENCE ON THE
PENINSULA AND SECURITY
GUARANTEES FOR OUR ALLIES.
IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT EXACTLY
HE AGREED TO EVEN THOUGH THE
PHRASE DENUKEIZATION GETS
BANDIED AROUND.
I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS
RAISED AROUND THE EXTENT TO
WHICH CHINA IS VIOLATING
SANCTIONS.
THE PRESIDENT SEEMED TO SUGGEST
AS MUCH AFTERWARDS.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE ENHANCING
ECONOMIC PRESSURE ON THE
CHINESE.
THE ONE THING WE DON'T WANT TO
HAPPEN IS WE DON'T WANT A
PROTRACTED NEGOTIATION PROCESS
TO PLAY OUT WHILE THE MAXIMUM
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN IS SORT OF
LOSING STEAM.
I GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION
ENORMOUS CREDIT FOR EMBARKING ON
THE CAMPAIGN.
IT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH.
BUT WE CAN'T SLOW THAT DOWN.
IT GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO
RESOLVE THIS PEACEFULLY.
>> YEAH.
SO SHOULD WE TRUST NORTH KOREA?
>> NOT AT ALL.
NOT FOR ONE SECOND.
ANY OBJECTIVE OBSERVER OF THE
LAST 30 YEARS WOULD HAVE TO
CONCLUDE THAT THE ONLY
CONSISTENT THING THEY'VE DONE IS
LIE AND VIOLATE.
IN THE '90s THEY AGREED TO
HALT DEVELOPMENT ON THE
PLUTONIUM TRACK.
EVERYONE SHOULD APPROACH NORTH
KOREA WITH SKEPTICISM.
TRUST BUT VERIFY.
WE NEED TO GO FURTHER, DISTRUST,
DISTRUST AND DO EVERYTHING YOU
CAN TO VERIFY.
WHICH LEADS TO ANOTHER
INTERESTING POINT.
THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE
TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER KIM IS
COMPLYING WITH ANY AGREEMENT,
EVEN IF WE GET A MORE DETAILED
AGREEMENT LATER ON.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK OUT THE
DETAILS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO OPEN UP THEIR
COUNTRY TO INSPECTION MECHANISM.
IN MANY WAYS, IT MIGHT BE MORE
DIFFICULT THAN THE CHALLENGE
WITH IRAN.
BUT THE IRAN DEAL GIVES US AN
EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO.
WE CAN'T ALLOW FOR THE COUNTER
PARTY TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO
CERTAIN MILITARY SITES.
WE CAN'T IGNORE HUMAN RIGHTS.
WE CAN'T IGNORE REGIONAL BEHAVE REGIONAL
BEHAVIOR.
OBVIOUSLY, THE PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATION DECIDED IT WAS
GOING TO AVOID CONGRESSIONAL
APPROVAL, NOT SUBMIT IT TO
CONGRESS AS A TREATY.
I THINK THAT'S A LARGE REASON
WHY THE AGREEMENT DIDN'T
OUT-LAST PRESIDENT OBAMA'S TERM
IN OFFICE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO
SUBMIT ANY AGREEMENT THEY GET TO
CONGRESS.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD
ENHANCE THEIR NEGOTIATING
LEVERAGE.
I'M SORRY TO GO ON HERE, BUT
THERE'S WELL-ESTABLISHED
LITERATURE ABOUT THE NATURE OF
TWO-LEVEL GAMES.
THAT MEANS WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE
SITS DOWN AT A NEGOTIATION, THEY
CAN POINT TO CONGRESS AND THEY
WE GOT ALL THESE CRAZY PEOPLE
WHO DEMAND A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
THEY NEED TO APPROVE ANY
AGREEMENT.
WE'RE INSISTING ON TOUGH
CONDITIONS HERE.
THAT'S THE WAY OUR SYSTEM WORKS
AND IT HELPS THE WHITE HOUSE IF
CONGRESS DEMANDS A GREATER ROLE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
CONGRESSMAN MIKE GALLAGHER.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.
>> A CLOSER LOOK NOW AT THE
GOVERNOR'S RACE IN OUR SERIES OF
INTERVIEWS WITH DEMOCRATS
RUNNING IN THE PRIMARY.
TONIGHT WE SPEAK WITH PAUL
SOGLIN, WHO HAS SERVED AS MAYOR
OF MADISON SINCE HIS FIRST TERM
IN 1973.
HE HAD AN UNSUCCESSFUL RUN FOR
THE U.S. HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES IN 1996.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO WHY CAN YOU BEAT SCOTT
WALKER OVER THE CANDIDATES
RUNNING IN THIS PRIMARY?
>> I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE
SITUATION IS IS WITH THE OTHER
CANDIDATES, BUT WE DID A POLL.
IN FACT, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT,
SO TO SPEAK.
I ASKED SARAH WHAT SHE THOUGHT
OF MY RUNNING.
SHE SAID YOU CAN ONLY RUN IF YOU
WIN.
SO WE DID A POLL TO SEE HOW I
WOULD DO HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST
SCOTT WALKER.
THERE'S BEEN OTHER POLLS.
BUT THE POINT IS YOU HAVE TO
CREATE THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
ARE GOING TO EXIST AS YOU
APPROACH ELECTION DAY.
AND THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO KNOW
WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE
NEGATIVES OF THE CANDIDATE.
GENERIC CANDIDATE DOESN'T HAVE
NEGATIVES BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS
WHO THAT PERSON IS.
SO WE KIND OF FORECASTED WHAT WE
THOUGHT THEY'D SAY ABOUT ME.
FOUR THINGS: MY AGE, THE FACT
THAT I WAS VERY ACTIVE IN
DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE WAR
IN VIETNAM WHEN I WAS A STUDENT
AT THE UNIVERSITY, THAT I'M,
QUOTE, A TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL,
AND THAT I GAVE THE KEY TO THE
CITY OF MADISON TO FIDEL CASTRO.
WELL, TURNS OUT MY NUMBERS IN
TERMS OF DEFEATING WALKER
ACTUALLY GET BETTER WHEN PEOPLE
HEAR THAT.
PROBABLY IT'S A GENERATIONAL
THING.
BUT IN ANY CASE, I'M THE ONLY
CANDIDATE WITH A REALLY ROBUST
POLL THAT SHOWS ON THE ISSUES
THAT I'LL DEFEAT SCOTT WALKER.
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VOTERS WHO
THINK YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARD
ENOUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THIS
SUPPER CLUB CAMPAIGN, WHERE YOU
MOSTLY TALK WITH PEOPLE AS
YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT?
>> WELL, I'M AT A CONSIDERABLE
DISADVANTAGE COMPARED TO MOST OF
THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES.
I'VE GOT A JOB THAT CONSUMES
BETWEEN 40 AND 60 HOURS A WEEK.
AND SO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO
DEFEAT SCOTT WALKER AND I INTEND
TO, I'VE GOT THOSE
RESPONSIBILITIES.
I JUST THIS MORNING TURNED DOWN
A CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE BECAUSE I
HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT
NIGHT.
>> LET'S RUN THROUGH THE ISSUES.
ON THE ECONOMY, YOU SAY THAT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FIRST.
WHY?
>> WELL, AS WE'VE KNOWN FROM THE
STUDIES, WHETHER YOU HAVE A JOB,
ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, ALL THE
OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL
FOR A ROBUST FAMILY, IF THERE IS
NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE
EFFORTS IN THESE OTHER AREAS
GENERALLY FAIL.
AND SO SEVERAL STATES, ARIZONA,
UTAH, MINNESOTA, THEY HAVE
ROBUST HOUSING PROGRAMS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS WITH
VERY LITTLE INCOME TO WORKING
FAMILIES WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TWO
MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD
BRINGING IN $30,000 A YEAR.
BUT IF YOU'RE SPENDING 35%, 40%
OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
TAKE CARE OF FOOD, YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET INTERNET
SERVICES SO THE KIDS CAN DO
THEIR HOMEWORK.
HOUSING IS THE FIRST AND MOST
ESSENTIAL THING FOR A ROBUST
FAMILY, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN
THEN PARTICIPATE IN THE JOB
CREATION IN ALL THE OTHER
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
>> ON ACT 10 YOU SAY WE NEED TO
RESTORE FULL COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING RIGHTS FOR PUBLIC AND
PRIVATE EMPLOYERS.
HOW DO YOU TRY TO DO THAT?
>> WELL, KEY IS TO GET THE
LEGISLATURE TO ADOPT A NEW BILL
WHICH RECOGNIZES THE ROLE OF
WORKERS IN OUR STATE
HISTORICALLY, MAKING WISCONSIN A
PLACE WITH HIGHER INCOMES, SAFER
WORKING CONDITIONS, ALL THE
THINGS THAT RAISE THE LEVEL, THE
STANDARD OF LIVING, WHETHER
YOU'RE IN ORGANIZED -- AN
ORGANIZED BARGAINING UNIT OR
NOT.
>> NOW, ON EDUCATION YOU CALL
FOR CREETION INCREASING THE INCOME TAX
FOR HIGH-INCOME EARNERS AND
POSSIBLY THE SALES TAX TO FUND
SCHOOLS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE APPETITE
IS FOR TAX HIKES?
>> WELL, FROM THE WORK WE'VE
DONE, FROM THE FEEDBACK I'M
GETTING FROM THE PEOPLE OF THIS
STATE, THEY RECOGNIZE AND THEY
ARE PREPARED TO PAY HIGHER TAXES
FOR BETTER EDUCATION.
AND LET'S POINT OUT THAT THE
QUESTION OF GOOD SCHOOLS GOES
BEYOND THE CLASSROOM.
WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT --
WELL, THERE WAS A NEW YORK TIMES
ARTICLE THIS PAST WEEK.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE
A SCHOOL?
SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN
THEIR 60s, THEY'RE SAYING, YOU
KNOW, MY SON OR DAUGHTER HAVE NO
INTENTION OF RAISING MY
GRANDCHILD IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE RECORD NUMBERS OF YOUNG
WISCONSINITES WHO ARE LEAVING
OUR TOWNS AND VILLAGES.
GO AND LOOK AT THE COUNTY
POPULATION STATISTICS FOR
VIRTUALLY EVERY COUNTY IN THE
STATE.
NORMALLY IN THE UNITED STATES,
YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SAME NUMBER
OF PEOPLE IN THE 58 AGE GROUP AS
IN THE 20s.
IN SOME WISCONSIN COUNTIES YOU
DON'T HAVE HALF AS MANY.
>> YOU BELIEVE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS
ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING THE
POPULATION.
BRIEFLY, WITH LESS THAN A MINUTE
LEFT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR
RESPONSE TO HEALTH CARE POLICY
IN WISCONSIN?
>> WELL, WE'VE GOT TO UNDO SO
MUCH OF WHAT SCOTT WALKER HAS
DONE IN TERMS OF REJECTING
FEDERAL PROGRAMS.
WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF A ROBUST MEDICAID
PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF
NUTRITION CHALLENGES, BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH, SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
JUST NOW SOME POLITICIANS ARE
CATCHING ON TO THE OPIOID
CRISIS.
>> SO YOU WOULD GO FOR THE EX
PASSEDEXPANDED MEDICAID.
>> CERTAINLY.
>> PAUL SOGLIN, THANKS VERY
MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> IN TANDEM WITH OUR SERIES OF
INTERVIEWS, MULTI-MEDIA REPORTER
MARISA WOJCIK WILL PROVIDE
FOLLOW-UP AND CONTEXT TO
STATEMENTS MADE BY THOSE
CANDIDATES.
HERE'S HER COMMENTS MADE ON BY
KELDA ROYS.
>> DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES TO BE
WISCONSIN'S NEXT GOVERNOR HAVE
EXPRESSED DOING AWAY WITH ACT
10, LEGISLATION FROM 2011 THAT
WEAKENED UNIONS' ABILITY TO
BARGAIN COLLECTIVELY AND TRIM
BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC SECTOR
EMPLOYEES.
KELDA ROYS SAID ON OUR PROGRAM
THAT ACT 10 WAS A MISTAKE.
>> AND WE'RE SEEING THE TERRIBLE
EFFECTS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE
TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN GREAT
TEACHERS.
>> SO WHAT DOES THE SUPPLY AND
DEMAND FOR TEACHERS IN
WISCONSIN'S PUBLIC SECTOR LOOK
LIKE POST-ACT 10.
A JANUARY, 2017 REPORT FROM THE
WISCONSIN CENTER FOR EDUCATION
RESEARCH LOOKS AT THESE NUMBERS.
ONE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS REPORT,
WISCONSIN IS NOT EXPERIENCING A
STATEWIDE TEACHER SHORTAGE.
THE STUDY ALSO REVEALS MOVEMENT
AMONG SOME TEACHERS TO OTHER
DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'VE BEEN
RECRUITED AND CONSIDERED FOR
HIGHER SALARIES.
CERTAIN DISTRICTS, TYPICALLY
SMALLER AND WITH LOWER BUDGETS,
ARE MORE LIKELY TO STRUGGLE TO
FILL VACANT POSITIONS BECAUSE
THEY CAN'T OFFER COMPETITIVE
INCENTIVES.
IN 2017, WISCONSIN HAD 54,401
TEACHERS AND AVERAGED 16
STUDENTS PER TEACHER.
COMPARED WITH OTHER STATES,
WISCONSIN RANKS 20TH FOR NUMBER
OF TEACHERS.
ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE
NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.
WISCONSIN IS SEEING A DECLINE OF
PEOPLE ENROLLING IN AND
COMPLETING EDUCATION PREPARATION
PROGRAMS.
BUT THIS IS A NATIONAL TREND.
FROM 2010 TO 2016, ENROLLMENT IN
THESE PROGRAMS DECLINED 35.4% IN
THE STATE, BUT THAT FOLLOWS
FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE NATIONWIDE
DECLINE OF 33.6%.
AS FOR ACT 10, PETER GOFF, A
UW-MADISON PROFESSOR OF
EDUCATIONAL LEADER SHIPPED LEADERSHIP AND
POLICY ANALYSIS CAUTIONS US TO
LOOK TOWARD BETTER TARGETING OF
FUNDS TO DISTRICTS IN THE STATE
THAT NEED IT.
FOR THESE AND OTHER FACTS,
VISIT wpt.org/hereandnow.
>> THAT WAS MARISA WOJCIK
REPORTING.
IN THE MONTH LEADING UP TO THE
2018 FALL ELECTIONS, "HERE AND
NOW" IS COLLABORATING WITH
WISCONSIN PUBLIC RADIO ON THEIR
BEYOND THE BALLOT SERIES, A
PROJECT THAT HAS REPORTERS
TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE TO
TALK TO ISSUES TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUES
THEY FIND MOST IMPORTANT.
WE ASKED TWO MEMBERS OF
WISCONSIN'S DEAF COMMUNITY HOW
THEY THINK THEIR LEGISLATORS ARE
DOING IN RESPONDING TO THOSE
ISSUES.
THEY WERE SPEAKING THROUGH AN
INTERPRETER.
>> I WANT TO SEE WISCONSIN
BECOME MORE OPEN TO HAVING DEAF
PROFESSIONALS, ACCESS TO
LICENSING HERE.
THERE'S SO MUCH RED TAPE TO GO
THROUGH TO GET LICENSED IN THE
MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY.
OFTEN WE HAVE PEOPLE GOING
THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM,
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING
THEIR LICENSING HOURS, THE RED
TAPE IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO
OVERCOME.
>> I HAVE TWO.
ONE IS MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
AND SECOND ONE IS INTERPRETERS,
PARTICULARLY AROUND THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN, LICENSURE,
CERTIFICATION, ET CETERA.
SOME INTERPRETERS ARE WORKING
WITHOUT CERTIFICATION AND
LICENSURE IN THE STATE.
AND THAT PUTS PEOPLE IN VERY
DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT GOING TO THE
HOSPITAL OR HAVING CRITICAL
SURGERY OR GOING INTO THE COURT
SYSTEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT IF AN INTERPRETER
MISINTERPRETS, OUR LIVES CAN BE
DESTROYED.
IT HAS A VERY NEGATIVE EFFECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGES,
A LOT OF DIFFICULTY KNOWING WHO
ARE THE TRULY QUALIFIED
INTERPRETERS WITHIN THESE REALMS
OF OUR LIVES AND HOW OUR LIVES
ARE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED AND HOW
WE CAN GET OUR VOICES HEARD
THROUGH THESE INTERPRETERS AND
WORKING WITH THESE INTERPRETERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE
DIDN'T MENTION BECAUSE OFTEN
WE'VE BEEN BRUSHED ASIDE
HISTORICALLY.
HE IS ASKING HER WHAT SHE NEEDS.
WE DID HEAR ABOUT THE MENTAL
HEALTH THING, THE LICENSURE
THING.
WHAT HAPPENED?
THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-UP.
THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-THROUGH ON
ANYTHING.
SO THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT THEY
DON'T REALLY HELP US ACHIEVE
WHAT WE NEED.
DORI, I AGREE.
THIS IS BRIAN.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE
DEAF COMMUNITY ON, DEAF,
HARD-OF-HEARING, DEAF/BLIND
COMMUNITY IS NOT LOOKING FOR A
HANDOUT.
WE JUST WANT APPROPRIATE LAWS TO
PREVENT DISCRIMINATION AND GIVE
US OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK, TO
PROVE OURSELVES.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO
MAKE BIG DONATIONS OR HOST
POLITICAL PARTY ACTIVIST GROUPS.
BUT WE'RE HUMAN.
AND WE HAVE RIGHTS.
>> FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT
wpt.org/BALLOT.
>> MORE POLITICS AND ELECTION
COVERAGE NOW WITH AN INSIDE LOOK
AT TUESDAY'S SPECIAL ELECTION
RESULTS.
THAT'S WHEN DEMOCRAT CALEB
FROSTMAN BEAT ANDRE JACQUE IN
THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT AND
JON PLUMER BEAT ANN GROVES LLOYD
IN THE 42nd DISTRICT.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR
NOVEMBER?
WE TURN TO CAPITOL CONSULTANTS'
BILL MCCOSHEN AND SCOT ROSS.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
I READ IT WAS THE BLUE WAVE
HITTING THE RED WALL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE OUTCOME
OF THESE ELECTIONS?
>> I WOULD SAY THIS, WITH ALL
DUE RESPECT TO THE HEADLINE
REPORTER.
THAT IS A DEMOCRATIC VICTORY,
LEST WE NOT FORGET THAT IT CAME
IN A PLACE A DEMOCRAT HASN'T
HELD SINCE 1977.
SO IT IS A GREAT INDICATION THAT
PEOPLE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE
ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT RUNNING
TO THE POLLS.
THEY CERTAINLY DID THAT.
IT BODES REALLY POORLY FOR SCOTT
WALKER CONSIDERING THAT'S THE
MARKET WHERE ELECTIONS STATEWIDE
ARE WON AND LOST.
>> BILL?
>> I THINK THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO
THE HEADLINE.
IF YOU LOOK BACK TO JANUARY, THE
DEMOCRATIC WON A VERY REPUBLICAN
SEAT, BUT WON HANDILY.
SO TO THE EXTENT THERE WAS A
BLUE WAVE IN WISCONSIN, THERE
WAS THE CREST IN JANUARY.
TUESDAY NIGHT YOU HAD A
REPUBLICAN WIN A SEAT IN DANE
COUNTY.
THIS SHOULD BE THE EPICENTER OF
THE BLUE WAVE.
TO THE EXTENT DEMOCRATS CAN
ACTIVATE AND MOBILIZE, IT SHOULD
BE DANE COUNTY, RIGHT?
JON PLUMER WON IT BY EIGHT
POINTS.
THE BLUE WAVE IS DISSIPATING, AT
BEST.
>> SUPREME COURT JUSTICE REBECCA
DAL BETDALLET WOULD PROBABLY DISAGREE
WITH YOU.
ONE THING ABOUT THE 42nd
DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SEATS THAT HAVE A
HIGHER DEMOCRATIC SEAT THAN THE
42nd.
THAT WAS A TOUGH DRAW FOR THE
DEMOCRATS FOR THAT ONE TO BE ON
THE BALLOT.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ERIC
HOLDER'S GROUP, THE FORMER OBAMA
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT
GROUP'S EFFORTS TO FLIP
WISCONSIN.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> SO THEY'RE TWO FOR TWO.
THEY PLAYED HARD IN THE SUPREME
COURT RACE AND WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY PLAYED HARD IN THE FIRST
SENATE DISTRICT.
IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW MUCH THEY
DID IN THE 42nd.
BUT THEY HELPED FLIP THE FIRST
SENATE DISTRICT.
DO THEY HAVE STAYING POWER?
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT
ELECTORATE IN NOVEMBER THAN ON
TUESDAY.
IN THE FIRST SENATE DISTRICT
ALONE THERE WILL BE AT LEAST
50,000 MORE VOTERS THAN THERE
WERE ON TUESDAY.
WHEN THE PERCENTAGES NORMALIZE
THEMSELVES, THAT SHOULD HELP
ANDRE JACQUE HAVE A REAL SHOT TO
TAKE THAT SEAT BACK 142 DAYS
FROM NOW.
>> DO YOU THINK ERIC HOLDER'S
GROUP IS GOING TO PLAY THE
FIELD?
>> I WOULD HOPE SO.
EVERY BIT HELPS.
AND I THINK IT SHOWS THE
OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN FOR DEMOCRATS, THE
FACT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO
COME HERE AND SPEND MONEY.
AGAIN, BACK TO THE 1ST SENATE
DISTRICT AND THE GREEN BAY
MARKET.
WHEN DEMOCRATS WIN A STATEWIDE
ELECTION, THEY GET ABOUT 51% IN
THAT MARKET.
WHEN THEY LOSE, THEY GET ABOUT
40%.
SCOTT WALKER WAS THE FIRST DAY
IN EIGHT DAYS HE HADN'T BEEN UP
THERE.
SO HE RECOGNIZES THAT WHEN HE'S
HEMORRHAGING THINGS UP THERE,
WHETHER IT'S THE 1ST SENATE
DISTRICT FOR REBECCA DALLET
GETTING 52% UP THERE.
IT'S A PROBLEM FOR HIM COME
NOVEMBER.
>> AS RELATES TO HOLDER, THEY
HAD A NAME REDISTRICTING IN IT.
HE'S NOW PROVEN THAT YOU CAN WIN
IN WISCONSIN AS A DEMOCRAT IF
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CANDIDATE FOR
THE RIGHT SEAT.
THEY'VE DONE IT IN THE 10TH AND
THE 1 STR.
>> SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED SINCE
THE WISCONSIN BROADCAST
ASSOCIATION HAD TO CANCEL THEIR
DEBATE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE
INCLUDED.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF
CANDIDATES RUNNING IN THIS
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, HOW DID THIS
HELP OR HURT THOSE CANDIDATES,
THE SHEER SIZE OF THE FIELD?
>> I'D SAY IT HELPS SCOTT
WALKER, NUMBER ONE.
THE FACT THAT THERE WON'T BE A
STATEWIDE DEBATE, NOT A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE
ARE.
THERE WILL BE A NEW MARQUETTE
LAW POLL OUT NEXT WEEK AND ONE A
MONTH FOR THE REST OF THE CYCLE.
BUT NONE OF THEM APPEAR TO BE
GAINING MUCH MOMENTUM.
NONE OF THEM ARE GETTING ANY
SEPARATION FROM THE PACK.
SO A STATEWIDE TELEVISED DEBATE
WOULD HAVE BEEN IN ALL OF THEIR
INTEREST AND CANCELLING THAT IS
ABSOLUTELY A WIN FOR SCOTT
WALKER.
>> WHO DO YOU THINK IT HELPS OR
HURTS?
>> I THINK IT HELPS THE
DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE NOT HAVING
ONE SINGLE DEBATE, LET'S NOT KID
OURSELVES.
THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT THE
BROADCASTER WANTED TO DO WOULD
ELIMINATE OVER HALF OF THE
CANDIDATES WHO ARE ON THE
BALLOT.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRAVELING
AROUND THE STATE.
THEY'RE GETTING MEDIA, TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY THINK
WILL MOVE THE STATE FORWARD AND
WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THEM FROM
THEIR OPPONENTS AS WELL AS SCOTT
WALKER.
I THINK IT HELPS DEMOCRATS.
I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A
DIFFERENCE.
THE THREE OF US AND MAYBE 20
OTHER PEOPLE WERE GOING TO WATCH
IT ANYWAY.
>> APPARENTLY THERE IS ANOTHER
ONE BEING PUT TOGETHER.
BUT BRIEFLY, WITH ABOUT A MINUTE
LEFT, ALL OF THIS TRADE WAR
STUFF HAPPENING WITH DONALD
TRUMP, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT
SCOTT WALKER AND HIS KIND OF
ALLEGIANCE TO THE PRESIDENT?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE ANY SEPARATION
BETWEEN GOVERNOR WALKER AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP OVER THE NEXT
142 DAYS.
AS RELATES TO THOSE TRADE WARS,
IT'S DICEY.
OUR FARMERS ARE VERY NERVOUS
ABOUT THEM.
CANADA IMPOSES HUGE TARIFFS.
WE HOPE THE PRESIDENT IS
SUCCESSFUL ON THIS.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE NEW DEALS BY
LABOR DAY, COULD BE PROBLEMS FOR
REPUBLICANS.
>> SCOTT WALKER IS TIED TO THE
HIP WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THAT'S
DISASTROUS FOR HIM COME
NOVEMBER.
>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
WISCONSIN IS AT THE CENTER OF A
CASE HEARD IN FRONT OF THE
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IN
OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE CASE, GILL
V. WHITFORD, CONTEND THAT
WISCONSIN'S LEGISLATIVE MAPS ARE
A PRODUCT OF PARTISAN
GERRYMANDERING AND ARE
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
IN A WEEKLY ONLINE SEGMENT,
MARISA WOJCIK SPOKE WITH MALIA
JONES ABOUT PACKING AND
CRACKING, TWO METHODS COMMONLY
USED TO GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS.
>> WE CAN FIND EVIDENCE AND THE
LOWER COURT DID FIND THAT WE SEE
CRACKING AND PACKING HAPPENING
IN THE WISCONSIN ASSEMBLY
DISTRICTS.
PACKING IS -- SO, AS I SAID,
PACKING IS THIS PROCESS WHERE A
LARGE NUMBER OF VOTERS ARE
CONCENTRATED INTO A SMALL NUMBER
OF DISTRICTS.
AND SO IT MINIMIZES THEIR
REPRESENTATION IN THE WHOLE
ASSEMBLY, RIGHT?
SO THEY DO WIN SEATS IN A FEW
DISTRICTS, BUT ONLY A FEW.
SO THAT'S PACKING.
AND THEN CRACKING -- AND PACKING
I THINK IS A LITTLE HARD TO
ARGUE, THAT THERE WAS
INTENTIONAL PACKING IN THE
WISCONSIN ASSEMBLY DISTRICT MAPS
BECAUSE OF JUST THE GENERAL
PATTERNS OF SEGREGATION THAT WE
SEE IN THE CITY.
CRACKING IS -- I THINK THE
EVIDENCE IS A LITTLE MORE
STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ASSEMBLY
DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN THE
MILWAUKEE SUBURBS AND SEE THAT
THE DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN IN SUCH
A WAY AS TO DIVIDE UP DEMOCRATIC
VOTES.
>> TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW,
VISIT WISCONSIN PUBLIC
TELEVISION'S FACEBOOK PAGE OR
FIND IT ON OUR WEBSITE AT
wpt.org/hereandnow.
A RULING ON THAT CASE COULD COME
MONDAY.
>> NOW FOR NEWS FROM GREEN BAY,
WHERE PAPER COMPANY GREEN BAY
PACKAGING ANNOUNCED PLANS TO
INVEST $500 MILLION INTO A NEW
PAPER MILL.
THE COMPANY SAYS THE INVESTMENT
WILL ALLOW THEM TO CREATE 200
JOBS.
THE NEW FACILITY WILL COME WITH
ENVIRONMENTALLY-FRIENDLY
SYSTEMS, A SWITCH FROM COAL TO
NATURAL GAS AND A WASTEWATER
SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT DISCHARGE
INTO THE FOX RIVER.
THE PROJECT WILL BE ONE OF THE
LARGEST IN BROWN COUNTY HISTORY.
>> AND FINALLY, AN UPDATE ON AN
AGRICULTURE STORY WE'VE BEEN
FOLLOWING.
THE DEADLINE FOR DAIRY FARMERS
TO APPLY FOR THE FEDERAL
INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES
PROTECTION WHEN MILK PRICES ARE
LOW, WE REPORTED ON THIS LAST
WEEK.
WELL, THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN
EXTENDED AGAIN TO NEXT FRIDAY,
JUNE 22.
YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THE
PROGRAM ON WISCONTEXT.
THAT'S ALL FOR TONIGHT'S
PROGRAM.
NEXT WEEK, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE
FOR GOVERNOR MATT FLYNN WILL BE
HERE.
I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
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AND NOW'S" 2018 ELECTION
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