>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART OF OUR "HERE AND NOW"
2018 WISCONSIN VOTE ELECTION COVERAGE.
>> I'M SHAWN JOHNSON FILLING IN TONIGHT FOR FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW," FORMER BADGER AND NFL FOOTBALL
STORE CHRIS BORLAND TALKS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF SPORTS HEAD
INJURIES.
AFTER THAT, WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES
OF THE NEW LANDLORD/TENANT LAW.
THEN A CLOSER LOOK AT THE EVER-EXPANDING PRIMARY FIELD OF
DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.
AND MARISA WOJCIK LOOKS INTO THE PROSPECT OF DRIVERLESS SHUTTLES
ON THE UW CAMPUS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR APRIL 27.
>> FUNDING FOR SHOW "HERE ANDS
PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
>> BADGER FOOTBALL FANS KNOW THE
NAME CHRIS BORLAND.
HIS AGGRESSIVE DEFENSIVE PLAY EARNED #44
A TROPHY CASE OF AWARDS.
BIG 10 FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR, CONFERENCE DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF
THE YEAR, FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN, ALL OF WHICH CAUGHT
THE EYE OF THE PRO SCOUTS AND LANDED BORLAND IN THE NFL WITH
THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS, PULLING DOWN A $2.9 MILLION CONTRACT.
BUT AFTER PLAYING THROUGH WHAT HE BELIEVED WAS A CONCUSSION, HE
WALKED AWAY FROM THE GAME AND THE MILLIONS HE COULD HAVE MADE
PLAYING IT.
HE HAS BEEN PLAYING OFFENSE ON THE FRONT LINE EDUCATING THE
PUBLIC ABOUT THE DANGER OF HEAD INJURIES IN SPORTS.
THIS WEEK HE WROTE A PROFILE FOR TIME MAGAZINE OF THE PHYSICIAN
HE SAID MAY HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE.
NEUROPATHOLOGIST DR. ANN MCKEE, ALSO A UW-MADISON ALUM.
HE JOINS US BY PHONE FROM WEST POINT, NEW YORK.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> IT'S MY PLEASURE.
>> IT'S A BIG WEEKEND IN PROFESSOR FOOTBALL BECAUSE THE
NFL DRAFT IS HAPPENING.
BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WROTE IN TIME MAGAZINE, LET'S GO
BACK FOUR YEARS TO JUST BEFORE YOU WERE DRAFTED.
AT THE TIME, HOW BIG WAS THAT MOMENT FOR YOU?
>> IT WAS A THRILL.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SINGULARLY FOCUSED ON FULFILLING A DREAM.
AND IT WAS AN INTERESTING TIME FOR ME AS A PLAYER WHO HAD A LOT
OF SUCCESS IN COLLEGE, BUT WAS SMALLER AND HAD
A COUPLE OF SURGERIES.
SO DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'D FALL.
WOUND UP IN A REALLY THRILLING WAY FALLING TO ONE OF THE BEST
TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE AT THE TIME, SAN FRANCISCO, AND DRAFT DAY FOR
ANYBODY WHO'S EXPERIENCED IT IS JUST UNFORGETTABLE.
>> I WAS READING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING ABOUT YOU
BACK IN 2014, JUST BEFORE THE DRAFT.
PRO SCOUTS WERE SAYING STUFF LIKE, QUOTE, YOU TURN ON THE
FILM AND HE'S IN ON EVERYTHING.
SO THEY WERE EXCITED BY YOU NOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE
YOU'RE AN ATHLETE, BUT BECAUSE YOU WERE SO AGGRESSIVE.
FROM WHERE YOU SIT NOW, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE
THAT PERSON?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S HARD.
I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THE GAME REALLY IN OVER THREE YEARS.
I DID SHORTLY AFTER I WALKED AWAY ATTEND A SPRING GAME AT
OREGON STATE, AND AFTER A THREE-MONTH OR SO HIATUS AND
AFTER LOSING WEIGHT, WAS STANDING ON THE SIDELINES AND
COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT I DID IT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL JUST FOUR
MONTHS PRIOR.
SO I'M REALLY FAR REMOVED FROM THAT LIFE AND FEEL LIKE THE LAST
THREE YEARS HAVE CHANGED ME IN A LOT OF WAYS.
SO SOMETIMES IT IS HARD TO SEE AN OLD GRAPHIC OR A PICTURE OF
MYSELF IN UNIFORM AND REALIZE THAT WAS ME JUST A SHORT TIME
AGO.
>> SO WHAT CONVINCED YOU TO CHANGE AND WHO ROLE DID DR. ANN
MCKEE PLAY IN YOUR DECISION?
>> WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING WAS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I HAD TWO BAD DIAGNOSED CONCUSSIONS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL,
HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND YOU MENTIONED THE ONE IN THE INTRO
WITH THE 49ERS.
I WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAD EXPERIENCED AND WHAT
I WAS IN STORE FOR IF I WERE TO FULFILL MY GOALS IN THE LEAGUE.
SO I BEGAN LOOKING INTO IT AND FOUND OUT A LOT.
I WAS REALLY NAIVE TO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE
WHILE I WAS IN COLLEGE.
AND THE MORE I LOOKED INTO IT AND COMPARED IT WITH MY
EXPERIENCE, MY GOALS, KNEW THAT I COULDN'T REALLY JUSTIFY A LONG
CAREER IN THE GAME.
AND DR. MCKEE'S WORK IS CENTRAL TO THAT EVALUATION.
SHE'S DONE AUTOPSIES ON OVER 200 FORMER NFL PLAYERS AT THIS
POINT, GETTING MORE AND MORE CONTROL BRAINS.
AND OF THAT SAMPLE, OVER 99% HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CTE.
SO THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME WHEN I READ ABOUT THAT INITIALLY.
GETTING TO KNOW DR. MCKEE PERSONALLY, AND JUST HOW MUCH
INTEGRITY SHE HAS WITH HER WORK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REALLY DEEP
UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUGGLES.
SHE'S FROM WISCONSIN.
SHE'S A PACKERS FAN.
IT'S A HARD THING TO COME TO GRIPS WITH.
BUT SHE'S A LEADER.
SHE'S THE LEADER IN THE FIELD.
AND AN INSPIRATION.
>> WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE FOR TODAY'S COLLEGE FOOTBALL
PLAYERS WHO ARE BEING DRAFTED BY NFL TEAMS THIS VERY WEEKEND?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL ANYBODY WHAT TO DO.
BUT THEY ARE PLAYING IN THE ERA OF INFORMATION AND CAN HAVE A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE RISKS.
AND NFL CONTRACTS AREN'T TBAIR RAN TEED.
THE NFL SETTLEMENT THAT CAME OUT LAST YEAR EXCLUDES ANYONE FROM
SUING THE LEAGUE FOR CTE SYMPTOMS FOR 65 YEARS.
SO HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY AND BE SMART, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU PLAY
FOR TEN YEARS, YOU HAVE A LIFE TO LIVE AFTER YOUR TIME IN THE
GAME.
>> SO WHAT ABOUT FANS, THE FANS WHO CHEERED FOR YOU AT THE
UW-MADISON WHO STILL LOVE TO WATCH FOOTBALL?
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR DOCTOR, THAT YOU HONORED THIS WEEK,
WAS A FOOTBALL FAN.
WHAT'S YOUR MESSAGE FOR FANS WHO LOVE TO WATCH YOU AND STILL LOVE
TO WATCH?
>> WELL, I DON'T WATCH FOOTBALL AND DR. MCKEE'S SHARED PUBLICLY
THAT SHE DOESN'T EITHER ANY MOMPLET AND THAT'S A RECENT
DEVELOPMENT FOR HER.
I EM EMPATHIZE WITH FANS.
I GREW UP SUCH A DIE HARD PACKERS AND WISCONSIN FAN.
THE DIFFERENCE FOR PLAYERS IS THAT THEY GO THROUGH THAT
CATHARSIS.
THEY PLAY AND THEY EXPERIENCE WHAT IT'S LIKE.
IF IT'S ALWAYS ROMANTICIZED, IT WOULD BE HARD TO COME TO GRIPS
WITH A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND FANS.
I DON'T CONDEMN ANYBODY WHO SUPPORTS THIS.
IT IS TRUE THAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS CAN BE INFORMED AND CHOOSE
WHETHER OR NOT TO PLAY.
SO I DISAGREE, BUT IN A CIVIL WAY.
>> REAL QUICK BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, WHAT'S LIFE BEEN LIKE FOR
YOU AFTER YOU LEFT THE BRIGHT LIGHTS OF FOOTBALL?
, YOU KNOW, WAS IT A GOOD DECISION FOR YOU?
>> OH, IT WAS A GREAT DECISION FOR ME.
I MADE THIS DECISION CHIEFLY FOR PERSONAL HEALTH AND I THINK IT'S
THE BEST DECISION I COULD HAVE MADE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING SUCH A STORY, BUT IT'S LED ME TO
REALLY, REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS.
MOST RECENTLY A STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN WITH
RICHIE DAVIDSON, WHERE WE DID A MEDITATION PROGRAM WITH FORMER
NFL PLAYERS.
NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT FOUR YEARS AGO THAT'S WHAT I'D
BE INVOLVED WITH.
BUT WHAT A THRILL TO WORK WITH THE LIKES OF DR. MCKEE AND
RICHIE.
>> CHRIS BORLAND IS A FORMER LINEBACKER FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN-MADISON FOOTBALL TEAM.
HE WROTE AN ESSAY IN TIME MAGAZINE DEDICATED TO THE DOCTOR
WHO CONVINCED HIM TO LEAD THE SPORT.
NOW TO STATE CAPITOL NEWS AND A LAW THAT AFFECTS LANDLORDS AND
TENANTS.
AMONG THE MANY BILLS SIGNED BY GOVERNOR WALKER WAS A REWRITE OF
THE LANDLORD/TENANT LAWS.
IT MADE A VARIETY OF CHANGES.
IT RESTRICTS THE POWER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO INSPECT RENTAL
PROPERTY, AND IT REQUIRES THAT A PERSON'S EVICTION RECORD REMAIN
ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS.
WE HEAR TWO PERSPECTIVES ON THE NEW LAW.
FIRST, RON HEGWOOD IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHEAST WISCONSIN WHICH HELPED WRITE THE
NEW LAW.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD MAJOR REWRITE
OF LANDLORD-TENANT LAWS.
WHY HAS THERE BEEN SUCH A PUSH FOR THESE CHANGES AND
WHY WAS THIS LATEST LAW NEEDED?
>> WELL, THE LANDLORDS THAT ARE
-- OR EXCUSE ME, THE LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN CHANGED OVER THE LAST
COUPLE YEARS, AS YOU STATED, ARE REWRITES.
THEY'RE A FURTHER ARTICULATION OF WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS
AND A CLARIFICATION SO THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT THE LAWS
WERE AND WOULD INTERPRET THEM THE SAME, WHICH IN ESSENCE
LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYBODY.
>> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAWS AS A WHOLE, THEY GENERALLY TILT
MORE TOWARD LANDLORDS IN EACH INSTANCE.
WHY WAS THAT NEEDED?
WHY DID YOU NEED THAT SHIFT IN WISCONSIN?
>> I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
I MEAN, THE JUDGES -- AND RIGHTFULLY SO, WILL TEND TO, AT
LEAST FROM A LANDLORD'S PERSPECTIVE SIDE ON THE TENANT'S
SIDE.
SO IT GIVES THE JUDGES A BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE INTENT OF
THE LAW.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S CHANGED.
AGAIN, IT JUST CLARIFIES THE LAWS.
>> SO ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS NEW LAW SPEAKS TO WHEN A
CITY OR ANOTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN INSPECT A PROPERTY, WHEN IT
CAN CONDUCT REGULAR INSPECTIONS.
IT ALLOWS FOR THOSE IN SOME CASES, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE
BLIGHT OR REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHY WAIT UNTIL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PRESENT TO ALLOW FOR THESE
INSPECTIONS?
>> WELL, I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANY VERBIAGE OF THAT BLIGHT OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE A HAZARD.
IN OTHER WORDS, A MINOR PINHOLE IN THE WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT DOESN'T -- SOME LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES WERE TRYING TO
PUT THINGS IN THE BOOKS WHERE TENANTS COULD WITHHOLD THEIR
RENT WITHOUT VALIDATING IT AND THIS IS AN EFFORT TO PROTECT
THAT.
BY ALL MEANS, EVERYBODY NEEDS GOOD HOUSING.
THERE'S NO ARGUMENT ON THAT.
BUT FOR A TENANT TO NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT FOR SOME
UNVALIDATED REASON, IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO STOP THAT.
>> SO WHEN IT COMES TO AN EVICTION, A TENANT WHO'S APPLIED
FOR WHAT'S KNOWN AS EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE CAN GET A COURT TO
STAY OR TEMPORARILY BLOCK AN EVICTION NOTICE, BUT UNDER THIS
NEW LAW THAT COURT STAY CAN ONLY LAST FOR TEN DAYS.
IF SOMEONE'S IN A DIRE ENOUGH SITUATION THAT A COURT WOULD
STEP IN AND HALT AN EVICTION, WHY LIMIT THAT?
>> WELL, FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT BY
THE TIME YOU'RE IN COURT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN I DON'T WANT TO SAY
A MINIMUM, BUT AROUND 30 DAYS AND IT COULD BE 60 OR 90 DAYS
SINCE THE TENANT'S PAID ANY RENT.
IF THEY'RE NOW GOING TO GET EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE, IT'S JUST
GIVING THEM ANOTHER TEN WORKING DAYS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY 1 MORE -- 14E
DAYS.
THE FEELING IS, AGAIN, IT PUTS CLARIFICATION ON THE LAW THAT
WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOK, WHAT THAT REASONABLE TIME FRAME WAS.
>> WHEN THIS BILL WENT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, THE GROUP END
DOMESTIC ABUSE WISCONSIN TESTIFIED THAT THIS PROVISION
COULD PUT DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIMS IN HARM'S WAY BECAUSE THEY WON'T
BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY THEY NEED IN JUST TEN DAYS
AFTER THEY'VE SEVERED TIES WITH AN ABUSER.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT CONCERN?
>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE ASSUME THAT THERE'S DOMESTIC
ABUSE AND AUTOMATIC ECONOMIC PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S MORE OF AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE THAN
AN ECONOMIC ISSUE.
IF YOU HAVE A DOMESTIC ABUSE, AGAIN, I GO -- THAT'S AN
EMOTIONAL SITUATION, NOT AN ECONOMIC SITUATION.
SO I WOULDN'T EQUATE THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.
>> AND THIS LAW ALSO KEEPS THE TENANT'S EVICTION RECORD PUBLIC
ON CCAP FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS.
WHY WAS THAT PROVISION ADDED?
>> EL WITH, I WELL, YOU'RE OG
PART OF THE LAW.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I DON'T KNOW THE LAW BY HEART.
IF THE TENANT HAS SATISFIED THE ORIGINAL EVICTION, BECAUSE THAT
IS A PROCESS, AND THEN IT CAN BE ERASED AFTER TWO YEARS.
IT'S ONLY IF THEY HAVEN'T SATISFIED IT THAT IT STAYS ON.
>> ALL RIGHT. RON HEGWOOD.
>> MUCH LIKE MY SPEEDING TICKET STAYS ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME
FOR MY INSURANCE COMPANY.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF DRIVER I AM.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.
RON HEGWOOD, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY OWNERS, RENTERS ACROSS THE STATE
MAY NEED TO GET UP TO SPEED ON THE CHANGES IN THE NEW LAW.
WE'RE JOINED NOW BY SOMEONE WHO HELPS TENANTS FULL-TIME AT THE
TENANT RESOURCE CENTER IN MADISON.
AARON ROMENS, THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO BACKERS SAY IT'S ABOUT SETTING CLEAR TIME LINES, A
LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
HOW DO YOU VIEW IT?
>> WELL, I NEVER UNDERSTAND THE IDEA ABOUT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
LANDLORDS, IT'S THEIR JOB TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THESE
DIFFERENT LAW CHANGES, THE SIXTH SET NOW SINCE 2011.
TENANTS, THEY ALREADY HAVE OTHER JOBS.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY THEIR RENT.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEVELING A PLAYING FIELD, I
BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE CHANGES JUST CONTINUE TO CREATE
CONFUSION TO THE POINT WHERE TENANTS NOW ALMOST NEED TO TAKE
OUT A SECOND-TIME JOB JUST TO CATCH UP WITH ALL THESE CHANGES.
>> SO THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST IN THIS NEW LAW, BUT WHAT IS MOST
TROUBLING TO YOU OR WHAT DO YOU THINK TENANTS NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S TROUBLING FOR ME IS THE IDEA
THAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE NOW EXTREMELY LIMITED IN THEIR
ABILITY TO HAVE ROUTINE BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
THESE INSPECTIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THE SAFETY
OF THE TENANTS.
THEY ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE SURE THAT TENANTS ARE SAFE FROM
FIRE OR OTHER VERY HAZARDOUS AND DANGEROUS SITUATIONS THAT COULD
PUT THEM IN THE HOSPITAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT UNDER THESE NEW REGULATIONS FOR
MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE ROUTINE BUILDING INSPECTIONS UNDER ACT
317.
>> SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THIS LAW THAT SAY CITIES AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO CONDUCT REGULAR
INSPECTIONS IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S EVIDENCE OF BLIGHT, HIGH
RATES OF BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS, OTHER CONDITIONS.
WON'T THAT LET CITIES ZERO IN ON THE MOST PROBLEMATIC RENTALS?
>> WELL, IT'S TELLING THEM HOW TO ZERO I DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO
ABOUT THIS.
CITIES ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM ONE TO ANOTHER AND PROBABLY
SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN THE WAY THAT THEY SEE FIT.
IT IS A LOT OF MICROMANAGEMENT, I FEEL, FROM THE STATE TO BE
TELLING CITIES EXACTLY THESE VERY PRECISE WAYS OF CONDUCTING
THEIR BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
>> SO WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CHALLENGE A LANDLORD NOW IN
SMALL CLAIMS COURT?
WHAT COULD THEY DO BEFORE AND HOW HAS THAT CHANGED NOW?
>> SO IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT WHEN LANDLORDS AND TENANTS HAVE A
DISPUTE, ESPECIALLY IN CASE OF AN EVICTION, IT GOES TO WHAT
WOULD BE CONSIDERED A JOINDER CONFERENCE OR A RETURN DATE.
AND AT THIS CONFERENCE, TENANTS WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A TRIAL BY
JUST CLAIMING THAT THERE'S A CONTEST.
THE IDEA THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT THE LANDLORD IS
SAYING.
NOW THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RAISE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS.
AND WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THOSE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS
MAY BE.
WE HAVE SOME IDEAS.
BUT WHAT IT PROBABLY MEANS IS THAT TENANTS ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO KNOW SOME MAGIC LEGAL WORDS, SOME SORT OF LAW LANGUAGE THAT
GETS THEM THERE.
AND TENANTS ARE REPRESENTED AT ABOUT A RATE OF 1% IN WISCONSIN
BY ATTORNEYS.
MOST OF THEM ARE THERE BY THEMSELVES.
AND TO ASK THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT ARE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS AND
TO BRING THEM UP AT A HEARING LIKE THIS I THINK IS NOT
APPROPRIATE.
>> SO IN PRACTICE, WON'T MOST RENTERS BE OKAY EVEN UNDER THIS
LAW AS LONG AS THEY PAY THE RENT ON TIME?
>> WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE
EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS FINE UNTIL A PROBLEM COMES UP, RIGHT?
THAT'S WHAT WE FIND AT THE TENANTS RESOURCE CENTER.
NOBODY CALLS US AND SAYS EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT WITH
MY LANDLORD, YOU KNOW?
AND SO, YEAH, IF THINGS ARE GOING WELL,
THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
BUT THE PROBLEMS IS TENANTS HAVE A LOT OF RIGHTS AND THESE LAWS
NOT ONLY TAKE AWAY SOME OF THOSE RIGHTS, BUT ALSO CREATE A LOT OF
CONFUSION ABOUT THEM AND THEY MAY NOT BE WILLING TO ASSERT
SOME OF THE RIGHTS THAT THEY ALREADY STILL HAVE.
>> ALL RIGHT. AARON ROMENS,
PROGRAM DIRECTOR AT THE TENANT RESOURCE CENTER,
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> WE PIVOT NOW TO THE ELECTION YEAR AND A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
DEEP POOL OF CANDIDATES RUNNING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR
GOVERNOR.
THE LIST GOES UP AND DOWN A NUMBER.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE 16 DEMOCRATS OFFICIALLY IN THE RACE.
AT LEAST ONE LONG-TIME POLITICAL OBSERVER IN THE STATE BELIEVES
THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.
THAT WOULD BE MORDECAI LEE OF THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLITICAL
SCIENCE DEPARTMENT.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU, SHAWN.
>> I WANT TO THROW OUT A THEORY.
IF TWO CANDIDATES RUN IN A PRIMARY, THAT'S DEMOCRACY IN
ACTION.
IF 16 RUN, THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
>> IS THIS MULTIPLE CHOICE?
BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY WITH A SMALL D,
WHETHER THIS WERE TO BE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY.
THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE I CAN COME UP WITH WAS DURING MY POLITICAL
CAREER, THE YEAR I GOT ELECTED TO THE STATE SENATE.
1982 THE LOCAL CONGRESSMAN FROM MILWAUKEE RETIRED.
THERE WERE TEN NAMES ON THE BALLOT IN THE SEPTEMBER PRIMARY.
THE WINNER, JIM MOODY, GOT 19% OF THE VOTE AND HE BECAME THE
CONGRESSMAN.
THE NUMBER TWO PERSON CAME IN ABOUT 17% OR 18%.
SO THAT SHOWS YOU A FIELD OF TEN.
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE WITH A FIELD OF 16.
>> BUT IF DEMOCRATS ARE EXCITED ABOUT RUNNING AND THEY WANT
THEIR CHANCE TO TAKE ON GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER, THAT'S THEIR
RIGHT, ISN'T IT?
IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE, REALLY?
>> WELL, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S CALLED EITHER SECOND CHOICE RUNNING OR RUNOFF PRIMARY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU'VE GOT THREE, FOUR, FIVE, 16 PEOPLE
RUNNING, NOBODY IS GOING TO GET A MAJORITY AND WE BELIEVE THAT
DEMOCRACY IS BASED ON MAJORITY RULE.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY TO GO IS WHAT SOME SOUTHERN
STATES DO.
TRIM THE FIELD TO THE LAST TWO.
A MONTH LATER THEY HAVE A RUNOFF PRIMARY.
IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO CANDIDATES IN THE RUNOFF, SOMEBODY IS GOING
TO GET A MAJORITY.
THE OTHER WAY IS MORE COMPLICATED.
IT'S CALLED SECOND CHOICE VOTING.
WISCONSIN HAD IT FOR ONE ELECTION IN I THINK IT WAS 1911.
THAT'S THAT YOU CAST YOUR VOTE THAT DAY AND THEN YOU SAY BUT IF
MY PREFERRED CANDIDATE DOESN'T WIN, THEN I WOULD HAVE VOTED
FOR, FILL IN THE BLANK.
AND THEN WHAT THE COUNTY CLERKS DO IS THEY SORT OF RATCHET IT
DOWN UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS A MAJORITY OF VOTES.
>> SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN WISCONSIN, THOUGH, RIGHT NOW.
SMALL D DEMOCRATIC CONCERNS ASIDE, WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS ON
WHAT THIS LARGE PRIMARY MEANS FOR THE BIG D DEMOCRATIC PARTY?
IS IT GOOD OR BAD FOR THEM?
>> I SUPPOSE THEORETICALLY IT'S GOOD.
LET'S SAY THE WINNER WINS, I DON'T KNOW, 15% OF THE VOTE.
THE WINNER DOESN'T NECESSARILY REPRESENT
HOW DEMOCRATIC VOTERS FEEL.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW TWO SILOS.
THE MODERATE CLINTON BING AND -D THE BERNIE SANDERS WING.
WHAT IF ONE WING DOESN'T LIKE WHO WON THE PRIMARY?
SOMETIMES PEOPLE VOTE BASED ON, OH, YEAH, I'VE HEARD OF THAT
PERSON.
SO RIGHT NOW SOME OF THE OFFICE HOLDERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ON
THE BALLOT HAVE RELATIVELY HIGH NAME RECOGNITION.
BUT VOTING FOR SOMEBODY BASED ON NAME RECOGNITION IS NOT AN
AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.
ALL IT'S SAYING IS I HEARD OF THEM.
>> SO YOU REFERENCED A BIG PRIMARY.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PRIMARY BACK THROUGH WISCONSIN HISTORY
THAT'S BEEN THIS BIG IN A RACE FOR GOVERNOR.
SO WHY IS THIS HUGE, POTENTIALLY HUGE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
HAPPENING THIS YEAR?
>> WELL, THE LOGICAL INTERPRETATION IS THAT THERE ARE
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SENSE THAT GOVERNOR WALKER IS VULNERABLE
AND SO THEY WANT TO BE THE ONE TO RUN AGAINST HIM.
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM THERE'S SORT OF NO WEEDING OUT.
BY JUNE 1, THE FILING DEADLINE, I SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THOSE 12,
16 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DROP OUT AND MAYBE SOME MORE DURING THE
SUMMER WILL EITHER UNOFFICIALLY DROP OUT OR DUE TO LACK OF MONEY
WON'T BE SERIOUS CONTENDERS.
BUT NONETHELESS THERE WILL BE AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN
SERIOUS CANDIDATES.
SO THAT'S A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF MAJORITY RULE, WHO IS THE BEST
CANDIDATE DEMOCRATS WANT TO RUN AGAINST GOVERNOR WALKER.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD GETTING SMALLER.
RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK THERE'S ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC, MILWAUKEE
MAYOR TOM BARRETT, WHO'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO GET INTO
THIS RACE.
WHY IS THAT HAPPENING NOW GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE FIELD ALREADY?
>> WELL, PRESUMABLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT MAYOR BARRETT
IS WELL-KNOWN BECAUSE HE RAN FOR GOVERNOR THREE PREVIOUS TIMES.
AND SO HE WOULD HAVE INSTANT NAME RECOGNITION AND INSTANT
CREDIBILITY, BECAUSE HE USED TO BE A STATE SENATOR AND HE KNOWS
STATE ISSUES.
THE PROBLEM IS, AGAIN, THE ISSUE OF NAME RECOGNITION.
WOULD HE WIN BECAUSE HE'S THE PREFERRED CANDIDATE OF A
MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS OR WOULD HE WIN BECAUSE PERHAPS HE HAS
HIGHER NAME RECOGNITION THAN THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC
INSTRUCTION OR THE MAYOR OF MADISON?
SO IT ALL COMES DOWN TO BEING ABLE TO INTERPRET THE CHOICE AS
SOMEBODY WHO THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO BE THEIR NOMINEE AGAINST
GOVERNOR WALKER.
>> ALL RIGHT.
MORDECAI LEE, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU, SHAWN.
>> WE MOVE NOW FROM POLITICS TO SCIENCE NEWS AND A LOOK AHEAD,
WAY AHEAD TO THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON BROUGHT A
DRIVERLESS SHUTTLE TO CAMPUS THIS WEEK TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A
DEMONSTRATION.
MARISA WOJCIK CAUGHT UP WITH THE SHUTTLE AND SPOKE WITH THE 3R0
PROJECT'S LEADERS.
>> BY NOW MOST OF US HAVE SEEN DRIVERLESS VEHICLES IN THE NEWS,
BUT NOT MANY OF US HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO SEE ONE IN PERSON.
STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAD A CHANCE TO SEE AN AUTONOM
SHUTTLE FROM NAVYA, A 15-PASSENGER DRIVERLESS SHUTTLE.
THE DEMONSTRATION WAS MEANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT DRIVERLESS
VEHICLES ARE NOT SO SCARY.
>> OUTREACH IS SOMETHING THAT IS CRITICAL WITH AUTONOMOUS
VEHICLES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IF THEY ASK YOU WHAT THEY ARE,
THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
>> UW-MADISON'S COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING WAS ONE OF TEN IN
THE COUNTRY TO BE FEDERALLY DESIGNATED AS AN AUTOMATED
VEHICLE PROVING GROUNDS.
SOME GOT TO SEE THE SHUTTLE DRIVE ITSELF.
BUT ON ITS SECOND DAY ON THE ROAD, IT REQUIRED A PIT STOP.
>> WE SHALL YOU ABLE TO OPERATE
SHUTTLE THIS MORNING.
THIS AFTERNOON UNFORTUNATELY THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO OPERATE.
>> THE VEHICLE IS DESIGNED TO STOP OPERATING WHEN THESE ISSUES
OCCUR.
FOR NOW, FEDERAL REGULATIONS REQUIRE AN OPERATOR TO BE
ONBOARD AT ALL TIMES.
>> POP THIS DOWN.
>> BUT MANUFACTURERS ARE ALREADY PLANNING FOR A DIFFERENT
SCENARIO.
>> SO WE REALLY DESIGNED THESE VEHICLES TO BE READY FOR THE
TIME WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OPERATORS ON
ONBOARD E SHUTTLE.
>> WHICH INCLUDES USING A XBOX CONTROLLER TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE
IN THE EVENT THAT IT CAN'T DRIVE ITSELF.
THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AND SAFETY LABORATORY IS NOT ONLY
RESEARCHING THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS, BUT OTHER AREAS, LIKE
LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE AND URBAN PLANNING.
>> IT'S REALLY CAMPUS-WIDE AND IT'S TRYING TO BRING TOGETHER A
COMMUNITY OF RESEARCHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DIFFERENT
PROBLEMS.
>> PROBLEMS LIKE URBAN FOOD DESERTS, WHERE THE METRO SERVICE
LINES DON'T REACH A CERTAIN AREA.
OR FOR KATHERINE CORBETT, WHO IS BLIND, IT MEANS MORE
INDEPENDENCE IN TRANSPORTATION.
>> IN A LOT OF LITERATURE, THE FUTURE HAS BEEN -- PREDICTIONS
HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT AUTOMATED VEHICLES AND SELF-DRIVING CARS.
AS A PERSON WHO DOESN'T DRIVE, THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN
A DREAM OF MINE.
>> FOR DRIVERLESS VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THE FUTURE IS NOW.
>> THAT WAS MARISA WOJCIK REPORTING.
WE KNOW GOW GO NOW TO SOUTHEN
APPLICATION, WITH A WATER DIVERSION APPLICATION WAS
APPROVED FOR FOXCONN, ALLOWING THEM TO USE WATER FROM LAKE
MICHIGAN, THOUGH IT STRADDLES THE LINE BETWEEN THE BASINS.
THE DNR APPROVED AIR POLLUTION CERTIFICATE MITS FOR
CERTIFICATES FOR THE SITE.
THIS COMES AS CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT BEGINS ARRIVING IN
RACINE COUNTY TO BREAK GROUND.
AND THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR TONIGHT.
FREDERICA FREYBERG WILL RETURN NEXT WEEK.
I'M SHAWN JOHNSON.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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