>> THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS PART
OF OUR "HERE AND NOW" 2018
WISCONSIN
WISCONSIN VOTE ELECTION
COVERAGE.
>> I'M SHAWN JOHNSON FILLING IN
TONIGHT FOR FREDERICA FREYBERG.
TONIGHT ON "HERE AND NOW,"
FORMER BADGER AND NFL FOOTBALL
STORE CHRIS BORLAND TALKS ABOUT
THE DANGERS OF SPORTS HEAD
INJURIES.
AFTER THAT, WE'LL HEAR FROM BOTH
SIDES OF THE NEW LANDLORD/TENANT
LAW.
THEN A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
EVER-EXPANDING PRIMARY FIELD OF
DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.
AND MARISA WOJCIK LOOKS INTO THE
PROSPECT OF DRIVERLESS SHUTTLES
ON THE UW CAMPUS.
IT'S "HERE AND NOW" FOR
APRIL 27.
>> FUNDING FOR SHOW "HERE AND NOW" IS
PROVIDED, IN PART, BY FRIENDS OF
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
>> BADGER FOOTBALL FANS KNOW THE
NAME CHRIS BORLAND.
HIS AGGRESSIVE DEFENSIVE PLAY
EARNED 44 A TROPHY CASE OF
AWARDS.
BIG 10 FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR,
CONFERENCE DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF
THE YEAR, FIRST TEAM ALL
AMERICAN, ALL OF WHICH CAUGHT
THE EYE OF THE PRO SCOUTS AND
LANDED BORLAND IN THE NFL WITH
THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS, PULLING
DOWN A $2.9 MILLION CONTRACT.
BUT AFTER PLAYING THROUGH WHAT
HE BELIEVED WAS A CONCUSSION, HE
WALKED AWAY FROM THE GAME AND
THE MILLIONS HE COULD HAVE MADE
PLAYING IT.
HE HAS BEEN PLAYING OFFENSE ON
THE FRONT LINE EDUCATING THE
PUBLIC ABOUT THE DANGER OF HEAD
INJURIES IN SPORTS.
THIS WEEK HE WROTE A PROFILE FOR
TIME MAGAZINE OF THE PHYSICIAN
HE SAID MAY HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE.
NEUROPATHOLOGIST DR. ANN MCKEE,
ALSO A UW-MADISON ALUM.
HE JOINS US BY PHONE FROM WEST
POINT, NEW YORK.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> IT'S MY PLEASURE.
>> IT'S A BIG WEEKEND IN
PROFESSOR FOOTBALL BECAUSE THE
NFL DRAFT IS HAPPENING.
BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU
WROTE IN TIME MAGAZINE, LET'S GO
BACK FOUR YEARS TO JUST BEFORE
YOU WERE DRAFTED.
AT THE TIME, HOW BIG WAS THAT
MOMENT FOR YOU?
>> IT WAS A THRILL.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SINGULARLY
FOCUSED ON FULFILLING A DREAM.
AND IT WAS AN INTERESTING TIME
FOR ME AS A PLAYER WHO HAD A LOT
OF SUCCESS IN COLLEGE, BUT WAS
SMALLER AND HAD A COUPLE OF
SURGERIES.
SO DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'D
FALL.
WOUND UP IN A REALLY THRILLING
WAY FALLING TO ONE OF THE BEST
TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE AT THE TIME,
SAN FRANCISCO, AND DRAFT DAY FOR
ANYBODY WHO'S EXPERIENCED IT IS
JUST UNFORGETTABLE.
>> I WAS READING ABOUT WHAT
PEOPLE WERE SAYING ABOUT YOU
BACK IN 2014, JUST BEFORE THE
DRAFT.
PRO SCOUTS WERE SAYING STUFF
LIKE, QUOTE, YOU TURN ON THE
FILM AND HE'S IN ON EVERYTHING.
SO THEY WERE EXCITED BY YOU NOT
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE
YOU'RE AN ATHLETE, BUT BECAUSE
YOU WERE SO AGGRESSIVE.
FROM WHERE YOU SIT NOW, DO YOU
REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE
THAT PERSON?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S HARD.
I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THE GAME
REALLY IN OVER THREE YEARS.
I DID SHORTLY AFTER I WALKED
AWAY ATTEND A SPRING GAME AT
OREGON STATE, AND AFTER A
THREE-MONTH OR SO HIATUS AND
AFTER LOSING WEIGHT, WAS
STANDING ON THE SIDELINES AND
COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT I DID IT
AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL JUST FOUR
MONTHS PRIOR.
SO I'M REALLY FAR REMOVED FROM
THAT LIFE AND FEEL LIKE THE LAST
THREE YEARS HAVE CHANGED ME IN A
LOT OF WAYS.
SO SOMETIMES IT IS HARD TO SEE
AN OLD GRAPHIC OR A PICTURE OF
MYSELF IN UNIFORM AND REALIZE
THAT WAS ME JUST A SHORT TIME
AGO.
>> SO WHAT CONVINCED YOU TO
CHANGE AND WHO ROLE DID DR. ANN
MCKEE PLAY IN YOUR DECISION?
>> WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING
WAS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I HAD TWO BAD DIAGNOSED
CONCUSSIONS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL,
HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE AND YOU
MENTIONED THE ONE IN THE INTRO
WITH THE 49ERS.
I WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
WHAT I HAD EXPERIENCED AND WHAT
I WAS IN STORE FOR IF I WERE TO
FULFILL MY GOALS IN THE LEAGUE.
SO I BEGAN LOOKING INTO IT AND
FOUND OUT A LOT.
I WAS REALLY NAIVE TO THE
INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE
WHILE I WAS IN COLLEGE.
AND THE MORE I LOOKED INTO IT
AND COMPARED IT WITH MY
EXPERIENCE, MY GOALS, KNEW THAT
I COULDN'T REALLY JUSTIFY A LONG
CAREER IN THE GAME.
AND DR. MCKEE'S WORK IS CENTRAL
TO THAT EVALUATION.
SHE'S DONE AUTOPSIES ON OVER 200
FORMER NFL PLAYERS AT THIS
POINT, GETTING MORE AND MORE
CONTROL BRAINS.
AND OF THAT SAMPLE, OVER 99%
HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CTE.
SO THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME WHEN I
READ ABOUT THAT INITIALLY.
GETTING TO KNOW DR. MCKEE
PERSONALLY, AND JUST HOW MUCH
INTEGRITY SHE HAS WITH HER WORK,
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REALLY DEEP
UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUGGLES.
SHE'S FROM WISCONSIN.
SHE'S A PACKERS FAN.
IT'S A HARD THING TO COME TO
GRIPS WITH.
BUT SHE'S A LEADER.
SHE'S THE LEADER IN THE FIELD.
AND AN INSPIRATION.
>> WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE
FOR TODAY'S COLLEGE FOOTBALL
PLAYERS WHO ARE BEING DRAFTED BY
NFL TEAMS THIS VERY WEEKEND?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK PROCEED
WITH CAUTION.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL ANYBODY
WHAT TO DO.
BUT THEY ARE PLAYING IN THE ERA
OF INFORMATION AND CAN HAVE A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE
RISKS.
AND NFL CONTRACTS AREN'T TBAIR
RAN TEED.
THE NFL SETTLEMENT THAT CAME OUT
LAST YEAR EXCLUDES ANYONE FROM
SUING THE LEAGUE FOR CTE
SYMPTOMS FOR 65 YEARS.
SO HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY AND BE
SMART, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU PLAY
FOR TEN YEARS, YOU HAVE A LIFE
TO LIVE AFTER YOUR TIME IN THE
GAME.
>> SO WHAT ABOUT FANS, THE FANS
WHO CHEERED FOR YOU AT THE
UW-MADISON WHO STILL LOVE TO
WATCH FOOTBALL?
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR DOCTOR,
THAT YOU HONORED THIS WEEK, WAS
A FOOTBALL FAN.
WHAT'S YOUR MESSAGE FOR FANS WHO
LOVE TO WATCH YOU AND STILL LOVE
TO WATCH?
>> WELL, I DON'T WATCH FOOTBALL
AND DR. MCKEE'S SHARED PUBLICLY
THAT SHE DOESN'T EITHER ANY
MOMPLET AND THAT'S A RECENT
DEVELOPMENT FOR HER.
I EM EMPATHIZE WITH FANS.
I GREW UP SUCH A DIE HARD
PACKERS AND WISCONSIN FAN.
THE DIFFERENCE FOR PLAYERS IS
THAT THEY GO THROUGH THAT
CATHARSIS.
THEY PLAY AND THEY EXPERIENCE
WHAT IT'S LIKE.
IF IT'S ALWAYS ROMANTICIZED, IT
WOULD BE HARD TO COME TO GRIPS
WITH A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND FANS.
I DON'T CONDEMN ANYBODY WHO
SUPPORTS THIS.
IT IS TRUE THAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS
CAN BE INFORMED AND CHOOSE
WHETHER OR NOT TO PLAY.
SO I DISAGREE, BUT IN A CIVIL
WAY.
>> REAL QUICK BEFORE WE LET YOU
GO, WHAT'S LIFE BEEN LIKE FOR
YOU AFTER YOU LEFT THE BRIGHT
LIGHTS OF FOOTBALL?
, YOU KNOW, WAS IT A GOOD
DECISION FOR YOU?
>> OH, IT WAS A GREAT DECISION
FOR ME.
I MADE THIS DECISION CHIEFLY FOR
PERSONAL HEALTH AND I THINK IT'S
THE BEST DECISION I COULD HAVE
MADE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING
SUCH A STORY, BUT IT'S LED ME TO
REALLY, REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS.
MOST RECENTLY A STUDY AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN WITH
RICHIE DAVIDSON, WHERE WE DID A
MEDITATION PROGRAM WITH FORMER
NFL PLAYERS.
NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT
FOUR YEARS AGO THAT'S WHAT I'D
BE INVOLVED WITH.
BUT WHAT A THRILL TO WORK WITH
THE LIKES OF DR. MCKEE AND
RICHIE.
>> CHRIS BORLAND IS A FORMER
LINEBACKER FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN-MADISON FOOTBALL TEAM.
HE WROTE AN ESSAY IN TIME
MAGAZINE DEDICATED TO THE DOCTOR
WHO CONVINCED HIM TO LEAD THE
SPORT.
NOW TO STATE CAPITOL NEWS AND A
LAW THAT AFFECTS LANDLORDS AND
TENANTS.
AMONG THE MANY BILLS SIGNED BY
GOVERNOR WALKER WAS A REWRITE OF
THE LANDLORD/TENANT LAWS.
IT MADE A VARIETY OF CHANGES.
IT RESTRICTS THE POWER OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENT TO INDEPENDENT LOCAL
PROPERTY, AND IT REQUIRES THAT A
PERSON'S EVICTION RECORD REMAIN
ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE
FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS.
WE HEAR TWO PERSPECTIVES ON THE
NEW LAW.
FIRST, RON HEGWOOD IS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE APARTMENT
ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHEAST
WISCONSIN WHICH HELPED WRITE THE
NEW LAW.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD
MAJOR REWRITE OF LANDLORD-TENANT
LAWS.
WHY HAS THERE BEEN SUCH A PUSH
FOR THESE CHANGES AND WHY WAS
THIS LATEST LAW NEEDED?
>> WELL, THE LANDLORDS THAT ARE
-- OR EXCUSE ME, THE LAWS THAT
HAVE BEEN CHANGED OVER THE LAST
COUPLE YEARS, AS YOU STATED, ARE
REWRITES.
THEY'RE A FURTHER ARTICULATION
OF WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS
AND A CLARIFICATION SO THAT
EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT THE LAWS
WERE AND WOULD INTERPRET THEM
THE SAME, WHICH IN ESSENCE
LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD FOR
EVERYBODY.
>> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAWS
AS A WHOLE, THEY GENERALLY TILT
MORE TOWARD LANDLORDS IN EACH
INSTANCE.
WHY WAS THAT NEEDED?
WHY DID YOU NEED THAT SHIFT IN
WISCONSIN?
>> I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE
WITH YOU ON THAT.
I MEAN, THE JUDGES -- AND
RIGHTFULLY SO, WILL TEND TO, AT
LEAST FROM A LANDLORD'S
PERSPECTIVE SIDE ON THE TENANT'S
SIDE.
SO IT GIVES THE JUDGES A BETTER
CLARIFICATION ON THE INTENT OF
THE LAW.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S
CHANGED.
AGAIN, IT JUST CLARIFIES THE
LAWS.
>> SO ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF
THIS NEW LAW SPEAKS TO WHEN A
CITY OR ANOTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT
CAN INSPECT A PROPERTY, WHEN IT
CAN CONDUCT REGULAR INSPECTIONS.
IT ALLOWS FOR THOSE IN SOME
CASES, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE
BLIGHT OR REDUCTION IN PROPERTY
VALUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHY WAIT UNTIL THOSE CONDITIONS
ARE PRESENT TO ALLOW FOR THESE
INSPECTIONS?
>> WELL, I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANY
VERBIAGE OF THAT BLIGHT OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE A HAZARD.
IN OTHER WORDS, A MINOR PINHOLE
IN THE WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT DOESN'T -- SOME LOCAL
MUNICIPALITIES WERE TRYING TO
PUT THINGS IN THE BOOKS WHERE
TENANTS COULD WITHHOLD THEIR
RENT WITHOUT VALIDATING IT AND
THIS IS AN EFFORT TO PROTECT
THAT.
BY ALL MEANS, EVERYBODY NEEDS
GOOD HOUSING.
THERE'S NO ARGUMENT ON THAT.
BUT FOR A TENANT TO NOT BE ABLE
TO PAY THEIR RENT FOR SOME
UNVALIDATED REASON, IT WAS AN
ATTEMPT TO STOP THAT.
>> SO WHEN IT COMES TO AN
EVICTION, A TENANT WHO'S APPLIED
FOR WHAT'S KNOWN AS EMERGENCY
ASSISTANCE CAN GET A COURT TO
STAY OR TEMPORARILY BLOCK AN
EVICTION NOTICE, BUT UNDER THIS
NEW LAW THAT COURT STAY CAN ONLY
LAST FOR TEN DAYS.
IF SOMEONE'S IN A DIRE ENOUGH
SITUATION THAT A COURT WOULD
STEP IN AND HALT AN EVICTION,
WHY LIMIT THAT?
>> WELL, FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE TO
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT BY
THE TIME YOU'RE IN COURT, IT'S
ALREADY BEEN I DON'T WANT TO SAY
A MINIMUM, BUT AROUND 30 DAYS
AND IT COULD BE 60 OR 90 DAYS
SINCE THE TENANT'S PAID ANY
RENT.
IF THEY'RE NOW GOING TO GET
EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE, IT'S JUST
GIVING THEM ANOTHER TEN WORKING
DAYS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY 1 MORE -- 14 MORE
DAYS.
THE FEELING IS, AGAIN, IT PUTS
CLARIFICATION ON THE LAW THAT
WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOK, WHAT
THAT REASONABLE TIME FRAME WAS.
>> WHEN THIS BILL WENT THROUGH
THE LEGISLATURE, THE GROUP END
DOMESTIC ABUSE WISCONSIN
TESTIFIED THAT THIS PROVISION
COULD PUT DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIMS
IN HARM'S WAY BECAUSE THEY WON'T
BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE
MONEY THEY NEED IN JUST TEN DAYS
AFTER THEY'VE SEVERED TIES WITH
AN ABUSER.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT
CONCERN?
>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE
ASSUME THAT THERE'S DOMESTIC
ABUSE AND AUTOMATIC ECONOMIC
PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S MORE OF AN
EMOTIONAL ISSUE THAN AN ECONOMIC
ISSUE.
IF YOU HAVE A DOMESTIC ABUSE,
AGAIN, I GO -- THAT'S AN
EMOTIONAL SITUATION, NOT AN
ECONOMIC SITUATION.
SO I WOULDN'T EQUATE THOSE TWO
THINGS TOGETHER.
>> AND THIS LAW ALSO KEEPS THE
TENANT'S EVICTION RECORD PUBLIC
ON CCAP FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS.
WHY WAS THAT PROVISION ADDED?
>> EL WITH, I WELL, YOU'RE ONLY READING
PART OF THE LAW.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO I DON'T
KNOW THE LAW BY HEART.
IF THE TENANT HAS SATISFIED THE
ORIGINAL EVICTION, BECAUSE THAT
IS A PROCESS, AND THEN IT CAN BE
ERASED AFTER TWO YEARS.
IT'S ONLY IF THEY HAVEN'T
SATISFIED IT THAT IT STAYS ON.
>> ALL RIGHT.
RON HEGWOOD.
>> MUCH LIKE MY SPEEDING TICKET
STAYS ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME
FOR MY INSURANCE COMPANY.
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF
DRIVER I AM.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE
IT THERE.
RON HEGWOOD, THANK YOU FOR
JOINING US.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY
OWNERS, RENTERS ACROSS THE STATE
MAY NEED TO GET UP TO SPEED ON
THE CHANGES IN THE NEW LAW.
WE'RE JOINED NOW BY SOMEONE WHO
HELPS TENANTS FULL-TIME AT THE
TENANT RESOURCE CENTER IN
MADISON.
AARON ROMENS, THANKS FOR JOINING
US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> SO BACKERS SAY IT'S ABOUT
SETTING CLEAR TIME LINES, A
LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
HOW DO YOU VIEW IT?
>> WELL, I NEVER UNDERSTAND THE
IDEA ABOUT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LEVEL PLAYING
FIELD.
LANDLORDS, IT'S THEIR JOB TO
UNDERSTAND ALL OF THESE
DIFFERENT LAW CHANGES, THE SIXTH
SET NOW SINCE 2011.
TENANTS, THEY ALREADY HAVE OTHER
JOBS.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GETTING THE
MONEY TO PAY THEIR RENT.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
LEVELING A PLAYING FIELD, I
BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE CHANGES
JUST CONTINUE TO CREATE
CONFUSION TO THE POINT WHERE
TENANTS NOW ALMOST NEED TO TAKE
OUT A SECOND-TIME JOB JUST TO
CATCH UP WITH ALL THESE CHANGES.
>> SO THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST IN
THIS NEW LAW, BUT WHAT IS MOST
TROUBLING TO YOU OR WHAT DO YOU
THINK TENANTS NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S
TROUBLING FOR ME IS THE IDEA
THAT MUNICIPALITIES ARE NOW
EXTREMELY LIMITED IN THEIR
ABILITY TO HAVE ROUTINE BUILDING
INSPECTIONS.
THESE INSPECTIONS ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT TO PROTECT THE SAFETY
OF THE TENANTS.
THEY ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE
SURE THAT TENANTS ARE SAFE FROM
FIRE OR OTHER VERY HAZARDOUS AND
DANGEROUS SITUATIONS THAT COULD
PUT THEM IN THE HOSPITAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT
UNDER THESE NEW REGULATIONS FOR
MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE ROUTINE
BUILDING INSPECTIONS UNDER ACT
317.
>> SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN
THIS LAW THAT SAY CITIES AND
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD STILL BE
ABLE TO CONDUCT REGULAR
INSPECTIONS IN AREAS WHERE
THERE'S EVIDENCE OF BLIGHT, HIGH
RATES OF BUILDING CODE
VIOLATIONS, OTHER CONDITIONS.
WON'T THAT LET CITIES ZERO IN ON
THE MOST PROBLEMATIC RENTALS?
>> WELL, IT'S TELLING THEM HOW
TO ZERO I DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
NECESSARILY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO
ABOUT THIS.
CITIES ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM
ONE TO ANOTHER AND PROBABLY
SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN THE
WAY THAT THEY SEE FIT.
IT IS A LOT OF MICROMANAGEMENT,
I FEEL, FROM THE STATE TO BE
TELLING CITIES EXACTLY THESE
VERY PRECISE WAYS OF CONDUCTING
THEIR BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
>> SO WHAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO
CHALLENGE A LANDLORD NOW IN
SMALL CLAIMS COURT?
WHAT COULD THEY DO BEFORE AND
HOW HAS THAT CHANGED NOW?
>> SO IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT WHEN
LANDLORDS AND TENANTS HAVE A
DISPUTE, ESPECIALLY IN CASE OF
AN EVICTION, IT GOES TO WHAT
WOULD BE CONSIDERED A JOINDER
CONFERENCE OR A RETURN DATE.
AND AT THIS CONFERENCE, TENANTS
WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A TRIAL BY
JUST CLAIMING THAT THERE'S A
CONTEST.
THE IDEA THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH
SOMETHING THAT THE LANDLORD IS
SAYING.
NOW THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
RAISE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS.
AND WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT
THOSE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS MAY
BE.
WE HAVE SOME IDEAS.
BUT WHAT IT PROBABLY MEANS IS
THAT TENANTS ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO KNOW SOME MAGIC LEGAL WORDS,
SOME SORT OF LAW LANGUAGE THAT
GETS THEM THERE.
AND TENANTS ARE REPRESENTED AT
ABOUT A RATE OF 1% IN WISCONSIN
BY ATTORNEYS.
MOST OF THEM ARE THERE BY
THEMSELVES.
AND TO ASK THEM TO DETERMINE
WHAT ARE VALID LEGAL GROUNDS AND
TO BRING THEM UP AT A HEARING
LIKE THIS I THINK IS NOT
APPROPRIATE.
>> SO IN PRACTICE, WON'T MOST
RENTERS BE OKAY EVEN UNDER THIS
LAW AS LONG AS THEY PAY THE RENT
ON TIME?
>> WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS AN
INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE
EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS FINE UNTIL
A PROBLEM COMES UP, RIGHT?
THAT'S WHAT WE FIND AT THE
TENANTS RESOURCE CENTER.
NOBODY CALLS US AND SAYS
EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT WITH
MY LANDLORD, YOU KNOW?
AND SO, YEAH, IF THINGS ARE
GOING WELL, THINGS ARE GOING
WELL.
BUT THE PROBLEMS IS TENANTS HAVE
A LOT OF RIGHTS AND THESE LAWS
NOT ONLY TAKE AWAY SOME OF THOSE
RIGHTS, BUT ALSO CREATE A LOT OF
CONFUSION ABOUT THEM AND THEY
MAY NOT BE WILLING TO ASSERT
SOME OF THE RIGHTS THAT THEY
ALREADY STILL HAVE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
AARON ROMENS, PROGRAM DIRECTOR
AT THE TENANT RESOURCE CENTER,
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> WE PIVOT NOW TO THE ELECTION
YEAR AND A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
DEEP POOL OF CANDIDATES RUNNING
IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR
GOVERNOR.
THE LIST GOES UP AND DOWN A
NUMBER.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE 16 DEMOCRATS
OFFICIALLY IN THE RACE.
AT LEAST ONE LONG-TIME POLITICAL
OBSERVER IN THE STATE BELIEVES
THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.
THAT WOULD BE MORDECAI LEE OF
THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLITICAL
SCIENCE DEPARTMENT.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU, SHAWN.
>> I WANT TO THROW OUT A THEORY.
IF TWO CANDIDATES RUN IN A
PRIMARY, THAT'S DEMOCRACY IN
ACTION.
IF 16 RUN, THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
>> IS THIS MULTIPLE CHOICE?
BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD DEMOCRACY,
DEMOCRACY WITH A SMALL D,
WHETHER THIS WERE TO BE A
REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY.
THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE I CAN COME
UP WITH WAS DURING MY POLITICAL
CAREER, THE YEAR I GOT ELECTED
TO THE STATE SENATE.
1982 THE LOCAL CONGRESSMAN FROM
MILWAUKEE RETIRED.
THERE WERE TEN NAMES ON THE
BALLOT IN THE SEPTEMBER PRIMARY.
THE WINNER, JIM MOODY, GOT 19%
OF THE VOTE AND HE BECAME THE
CONGRESSMAN.
THE NUMBER TWO PERSON CAME IN
ABOUT 17% OR 18%.
SO THAT SHOWS YOU A FIELD OF
TEN.
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE
WITH A FIELD OF 16.
>> BUT IF DEMOCRATS ARE EXCITED
ABOUT RUNNING AND THEY WANT
THEIR CHANCE TO TAKE ON GOVERNOR
SCOTT WALKER, THAT'S THEIR
RIGHT, ISN'T IT?
IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE,
REALLY?
>> WELL, THERE IS AN
ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S CALLED EITHER SECOND CHOICE
RUNNING OR RUNOFF PRIMARY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU'VE GOT
THREE, FOUR, FIVE, 16 PEOPLE
RUNNING, NOBODY IS GOING TO GET
A MAJORITY AND WE BELIEVE THAT
DEMOCRACY IS BASED ON MAJORITY
RULE.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY
TO GO IS WHAT SOME SOUTHERN
STATES DO.
TRIM THE FIELD TO THE LAST TWO.
A MONTH LATER THEY HAVE A RUNOFF
PRIMARY.
IF THERE ARE ONLY TWO CANDIDATES
IN THE RUNOFF, SOMEBODY IS GOING
TO GET A MAJORITY.
THE OTHER WAY IS MORE
COMPLICATED.
IT'S CALLED SECOND CHOICE
VOTING.
WISCONSIN HAD IT FOR ONE
ELECTION IN I THINK IT WAS 1911.
THAT'S THAT YOU CAST YOUR VOTE
THAT DAY AND THEN YOU SAY BUT IF
MY PREFERRED CANDIDATE DOESN'T
WIN, THEN I WOULD HAVE VOTED
FOR, FILL IN THE BLANK.
AND THEN WHAT THE COUNTY CLERKS
DO IS THEY SORT OF RATCHET IT
DOWN UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS A
MAJORITY OF VOTES.
>> SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN
WISCONSIN, THOUGH, RIGHT NOW.
SMALL D DEMOCRATIC CONCERNS
ASIDE, WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS ON
WHAT THIS LARGE PRIMARY MEANS
FOR THE BIG D DEMOCRATIC PARTY?
IS IT GOOD OR BAD FOR THEM?
>> I SUPPOSE THEORETICALLY IT'S
GOOD.
LET'S SAY THE WINNER WINS, I
DON'T KNOW, 15% OF THE VOTE.
THE WINNER DOESN'T NECESSARILY
REPRESENT HOW DEMOCRATIC VOTERS
FEEL.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW
TWO SILOS.
THE MODERATE CLINTON BING AND -- WING AND
THE BERNIE SANDERS WING.
WHAT IF ONE WING DOESN'T LIKE
WHO WON THE PRIMARY?
SOMETIMES PEOPLE VOTE BASED ON,
OH, YEAH, I'VE HEARD OF THAT
PERSON.
SO RIGHT NOW SOME OF THE OFFICE
HOLDERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ON
THE BALLOT HAVE RELATIVELY HIGH
NAME RECOGNITION.
BUT VOTING FOR SOMEBODY BASED ON
NAME RECOGNITION IS NOT AN
AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.
ALL IT'S SAYING IS I HEARD OF
THEM.
>> SO YOU REFERENCED A BIG
PRIMARY.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PRIMARY
BACK THROUGH WISCONSIN HISTORY
THAT'S BEEN THIS BIG IN A RACE
FOR GOVERNOR.
SO WHY IS THIS HUGE, POTENTIALLY
HUGE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
HAPPENING THIS YEAR?
>> WELL, THE LOGICAL
INTERPRETATION IS THAT THERE ARE
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SENSE THAT
GOVERNOR WALKER IS VULNERABLE
AND SO THEY WANT TO BE THE ONE
TO RUN AGAINST HIM.
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM
THERE'S SORT OF NO WEEDING OUT.
BY JUNE 1, THE FILING DEADLINE,
I SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THOSE 12,
16 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DROP OUT
AND MAYBE SOME MORE DURING THE
SUMMER WILL EITHER UNOFFICIALLY
DROP OUT OR DUE TO LACK OF MONEY
WON'T BE SERIOUS CONTENDERS.
BUT NONETHELESS THERE WILL BE AT
LEAST A HALF A DOZEN SERIOUS
CANDIDATES.
SO THAT'S A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF
MAJORITY RULE, WHO IS THE BEST
CANDIDATE DEMOCRATS WANT TO RUN
AGAINST GOVERNOR WALKER.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
FIELD GETTING SMALLER.
RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK THERE'S
ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC, MILWAUKEE
MAYOR TOM BARRETT, WHO'S
POTENTIALLY GOING TO GET INTO
THIS RACE.
WHY IS THAT HAPPENING NOW GIVEN
THE SIZE OF THE FIELD ALREADY?
>> WELL, PRESUMABLY WHAT'S
HAPPENING IS THAT MAYOR BARRETT
IS WELL-KNOWN BECAUSE HE RAN FOR
GOVERNOR THREE PREVIOUS TIMES.
AND SO HE WOULD HAVE INSTANT
NAME RECOGNITION AND INSTANT
CREDIBILITY, BECAUSE HE USED TO
BE A STATE SENATOR AND HE KNOWS
STATE ISSUES.
THE PROBLEM IS, AGAIN, THE ISSUE
OF NAME RECOGNITION.
WOULD HE WIN BECAUSE HE'S THE
PREFERRED CANDIDATE OF A
MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS OR WOULD
HE WIN BECAUSE PERHAPS HE HAS
HIGHER NAME RECOGNITION THAN THE
SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC
INSTRUCTION OR THE MAYOR OF
MADISON?
SO IT ALL COMES DOWN TO BEING
ABLE TO INTERPRET THE CHOICE AS
SOMEBODY WHO THE DEMOCRATS WANT
TO BE THEIR NOMINEE AGAINST
GOVERNOR WALKER.
>> ALL RIGHT.
MORDECAI LEE, THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU, SHAWN.
>> WE MOVE NOW FROM POLITICS TO
SCIENCE NEWS AND A LOOK AHEAD,
WAY AHEAD TO THE FUTURE OF
TRANSPORTATION.
THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN-MADISON BROUGHT A
DRIVERLESS SHUTTLE TO CAMPUS
THIS WEEK TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A
DEMONSTRATION.
MARISA WOJCIK CAUGHT UP WITH THE
SHUTTLE AND SPOKE WITH THE 3R0
PROJECT'S LEADERS.
>> BY NOW MOST OF US HAVE SEEN
DRIVERLESS VEHICLES IN THE NEWS,
BUT NOT MANY OF US HAVE HAD THE
CHANCE TO SEE ONE IN PERSON.
STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS
HAD A CHANCE TO SEE AN AUTONOM
SHUTTLE FROM NAVYA, A
15-PASSENGER DRIVERLESS SHUTTLE.
THE DEMONSTRATION WAS MEANT TO
SHOW PEOPLE THAT DRIVERLESS
VEHICLES ARE NOT SO SCARY.
>> OUTREACH IS SOMETHING THAT IS
CRITICAL WITH AUTONOMOUS
VEHICLES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IF THEY ASK YOU
WHAT THEY ARE, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN
IT.
>> UW-MADISON'S COLLEGE OF
ENGINEERING WAS ONE OF TEN IN
THE COUNTRY TO BE FEDERALLY
DESIGNATED AS AN AUTOMATED
VEHICLE PROVING GROUNDS.
SOME GOT TO SEE THE SHUTTLE
DRIVE ITSELF.
BUT ON ITS SECOND DAY ON THE
ROAD, IT REQUIRED A PIT STOP.
>> WE SHALL YOU ABLE TO OPERATE THE
SHUTTLE THIS MORNING.
THIS AFTERNOON UNFORTUNATELY THE
SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO OPERATE.
>> THE VEHICLE IS DESIGNED TO
STOP OPERATING WHEN THESE ISSUES
OCCUR.
FOR NOW, FEDERAL REGULATIONS
REQUIRE AN OPERATOR TO BE
ONBOARD AT ALL TIMES.
>> POP THIS DOWN.
>> BUT MANUFACTURERS ARE ALREADY
PLANNING FOR A DIFFERENT
SCENARIO.
>> SO WE REALLY DESIGNED THESE
VEHICLES TO BE READY FOR THE
TIME WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO
HAVE ANY OPERATORS ON ONBOARD THE
SHUTTLE.
>> WHICH INCLUDES USING A XBOX
CONTROLLER TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE
IN THE EVENT THAT IT CAN'T DRIVE
ITSELF.
THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AND
SAFETY LABORATORY IS NOT ONLY
RESEARCHING THE ENGINEERING
ASPECTS, BUT OTHER AREAS, LIKE
LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, PUBLIC
ACCEPTANCE AND URBAN PLANNING.
>> IT'S REALLY CAMPUS-WIDE AND
IT'S TRYING TO BRING TOGETHER A
COMMUNITY OF RESEARCHERS WHO ARE
INTERESTED IN DIFFERENT
PROBLEMS.
>> PROBLEMS LIKE URBAN FOOD
DESERTS, WHERE THE METRO SERVICE
LINES DON'T REACH A CERTAIN
AREA.
OR FOR KATHERINE CORBETT, WHO IS
BLIND, IT MEANS MORE
INDEPENDENCE IN TRANSPORTATION.
>> IN A LOT OF LITERATURE, THE
FUTURE HAS BEEN -- PREDICTIONS
HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT AUTOMATED
VEHICLES AND SELF-DRIVING CARS.
AS A PERSON WHO DOESN'T DRIVE,
THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN A
DREAM OF MINE.
>> FOR DRIVERLESS VEHICLES ON
THE ROAD, THE FUTURE IS NOW.
>> THAT WAS MARISA WOJCIK
REPORTING.
WE KNOW GOW GO NOW TO SOUTHEASTERN
APPLICATION, WITH A WATER
DIVERSION APPLICATION WAS
APPROVED FOR FOXCONN, ALLOWING
THEM TO USE WATER FROM LAKE
MICHIGAN, THOUGH IT STRADDLES
THE LINE BETWEEN THE BASINS.
THE DNR APPROVED AIR POLLUTION
CERTIFICATE MITS FOR
CERTIFICATES FOR THE SITE.
THIS COMES AS CONSTRUCTION
EQUIPMENT BEGINS ARRIVING IN
RACINE COUNTY TO BREAK GROUND.
AND THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR
TONIGHT.
FREDERICA FREYBERG WILL RETURN
NEXT WEEK.
I'M SHAWN JOHNSON.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.
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