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>> WELCOME TO THIS NOON
WEDNESDAY EXTRA.
ONCE AGAIN, I AM MARISA WOJCIK,
MULTIMEDIA JOURNALIST WITH HERE
AND KNEW ON PBS WISCONSIN.
WE ARE CONTINUING COVERAGE OF
LOCAL RESPONSES TO THE GUILTY
VERDICT OF FORMER MINNEAPOLIS
OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN FOR THE
MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, AS WELL
AS WHERE WISCONSIN STANDS IN
TERMS OF POLICE REFORM.
WE ARE JOINED BY A
REPRESENTATIVE, SHEILA STUBBS,
AND COULD COCHAIR ON RACIAL
DISPARITIES.
THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS
FOR MAKING THE TIME FOR US
TODAY.
>> I WANT TO START ASKING YOU
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN THE
GUILTY VERDICT CAME DOWN
YESTERDAY.
>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU
FOR GIVING ME THIS INTERVIEW ON
TODAY.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, YESTERDAY I
WAS -- IT WAS A MIXED EMOTIONAL
DAY.
I WAS ACTUALLY WITH MY MOTHER,
WHO'S 74.
MY TEN YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND MY
TWO NIECES, ONE THAT'S ABOUT 8
AND 13.
AND IT WAS JUST A MIXED EMOTION.
YESTERDAY, IN FACT, I CRIMED
BECAUSE FOR SO LONG YOU WATCHED
SO MANY FAMILIES GO THROUGH THIS
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND WE
NEVER FEEL LIKE THERE IS ANY
SCCOTT OF JUSTICE GATHERING SO
MUCH INFORMATION, AND STILL LIKE
NO MATTER WHAT, OR NO MATTER HOW
MUCH EVIDENCE THERE IS, THE
COMMUNITY ALWAYS FEELS LIKE
THERE IS NO JUSTICE SO
YESTERDAY, IT WAS FIRST
IMPORTANT FOR ME TO PROCESS
THAT.
MR. GEORGE FLOYD SHOULD BE ALIVE
TODAY.
AND MY GOAL IS NOT JUST TO HOLD
POLICE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT
TO ENSURE THAT POLICE VIOLENCE
DOES NOT CONTINUE TO IMPACT ANY
COMMUNITY.
BUT IN ADDITION, IT WAS A MOMENT
TO LITERALLY TAKE A DEEP BREATH,
AND PROCESS WHAT HAPPENED
YESTERDAY.
AND I THOUGHT THAT COULD HAVE
BEEN MY FAMILY.
BUT TO WATCH PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD COME TOGETHER A PLACE OF
RELIEF, AND IN FACT, I AM SO
GRATEFUL WITH THAT DECISION,
BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO A
COUPLE OF DIFFERENT NEWS
REPORTERS SPEAKING.
AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THANK
GOD THAT VERDICT CAME OUT THE
WAY THAT IT DID BECAUSE THEY
WERE AFRAID THAT THE CITY WOULD
BE TORN APART.
THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY
COULD SLEEP.
IT WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
I ALMOST REALLY GRATEFUL AND MY
HEART GOES OUT STILL TO THE
FLOYD FAMILY.
IT'S A START, BUT WE HAVE A LONG
WAY TO GO IN THIS FIGHT FOR
JUSTICE HOW MEANINGFUL WAS TO
HAVE SO MANY GENERATIONS WITH
YOU WHEN THAT NEWS CAME OUT?
>> IT WAS SO MEANING FULL.
MY DAUGHTER WAS WITH ME WHEN I
HAD MY UNFORTUNATE PROFILE
INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN 2018.
I WAS ABLE TO PROCESS WITH HER
YESTERDAY.
SHE AND I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE
CASE AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK IN
HER EYES.
SHE HAD TEARS AS WELL.
BUT TO UNDERSTAND WHY MOMMY WAS
FEELING THE WAY THAT MOMMY WAS
FEELING.
MY MOTHER, BEING A GREAT CIVIL
RIGHTS ACTIVIST FOR 50 YEARS
SAID FINALLY WE ARE BEGINNING TO
SEE JUSTICE HAPPEN.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TO HAVE
OFFICER COVER IN BEING HELD
ACCOUNTABLE, AND THAT JUSTICE
WAS DELIVERED, AND THE CASE WAS
MORE IMPORTANT, AND THAT WE KNOW
THAT WE MUST BEGAIN TO WORK ON
OUR REFORMS, AND OUR POLICING
PRACTICES.
, IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR STATE --
BECAUSE I LIVE IN WISCONSIN, TO
MAKE WISCONSIN A BETTER PLACE
FOR EVERYONE.
IN FACT YESTERDAY, I WAS IN THE
STATE CAPITAL WORKING ON THE
TASK FORCE SUBCOMMITTEE, LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND STANDARDS
COMMITTEE FROM 10 O'CLOCK IN THE
MORNING TO 2, AND WE COMPLETED
OUR WORK, AND LEFT THE CAPITOL
ARES I HEARD THAT THE VERDICT
WOULD BE HAPPENING WITHIN AN
HOUR.
SO IT WAS A VERY MIX THE
EMOTIONAL DAY FOR ME, GIVEN THAT
I AM IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO
WRITE THE POLICY, AND I AM IN A
UNIQUE POSITION, BECAUSE I
REPRESENT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
THAT HAVE BEEN A PLAGUED WITH
POLICE BRUTALITY.
>> THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD,
AND THE SUBSEQUENT WAVE OF
PROTESTS PRECEDE HE HAD THE
CREATION OF THIS TASK FORCE.
HOW HAS THE PROGRESSION OF THIS
PAST YEAR, AND SPECIFICALLY THE
TRIAL GENERAL FLEWENTIALSED THE
WORK OF THE TASK FORCE AND OF
THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON LAW
ENFORCEMENT POLICIES AND
STANDARDS?
>> YEAH, SO ABSOLUTELY.
SO OUR TASK FORCE ACTUALLY
STARTED BACK AUGUST 31ST OF LAST
YEAR.
GOVERNOR EVERS ASKED FOR A
SPECIAL SESSION, AND IT ASKED
BECAUSE OF THE JACOB BLAKE CASE
IN WISCONSIN, KENOSHA, AND THE
REPUBLICANS WERE IN CONTROL, AND
THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIAL
SESSION.
THEY GAVELLED IN, AND LEFT IT
VACANT.
AT THAT TIME I WAS ASKED TO BE A
COCHAIR.
I WENT HOME AND PRAYED ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT PROTESTERS, AND
COMMUNITY WOULD BE BROUGHT IN
THAT SPACE, OUR PASTORS, OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT EXPERTS, OUR
COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS WOULD BE
ABLE TO COME INTO THAT SPACE,
AND REALLY BRING TRUTH TO THE
REALITY.
SO AS WE'VE DONE OUR WORK FOR
SEVEN
SEVEN MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN
TOGETHER WHEN THE VERDICT OF THE
JACOB BLAKE CASE HAPPENED.
OUR TASK FORCE CONTINUED TO MEET
DURING THE VERDICT OF THE
BREONNA TAYLOR CASE, AND OUR
TASK FORCE HAD COMPLETED OUR
WORK AN HOUR BEFORE THE VERDICT
IN THE GEORGE ARE FLOYD CASE.
THESE ARE SUCH HUGE NATIONAL
TRAGEDIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED,
AND AT PRESSURE THAT I FELT WHEN
WE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THE
ROOM.
YOU WOULD SEE -- I HAVE A BEEN
OUT AT PROTESTS AND I HAVE TO
COME IN THAT ROOM AS A CHAIR
PERSON.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I TAKE
WHAT I HEAR IN THE STREETS AND
THE POLICIES AND THE DEMANDS
THAT COME INTO THAT ROOM, AND
CRAFT LEGISLATION THAT IS
MEANINGFUL.
SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR THE
COMMUNITY STANCE, THAT ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH, AND WE'VE GOT TO GET TO
A PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE
WE BEGIN TO REFORM OUR PRACTICES
BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE TO
BEGIN TO HOLD PEOPLE
ACCOUNTABLE.
YESTERDAY'S VERDICT SHOWED ME
THAT OFFICER CHAUVIN WAS NOT
ABOVE THE LAW, AND I THINK THAT
BROUGHT MERIT TO ALL OF THE WORK
THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE
STATE CAPITAL.
WE WORKED ON REFORMS AROUND THE
CHOKEHOLD.
OF COURSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MR.
FLOYD, AND HIS FAMILY AND WHAT
HAPPENED.
WE WORKED ON POLICY ON THE
NO-KNOCK WARRANT.
OF COURSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE
BREONNA TAYLOR FAMILY, AND WE
ESCAPED WITH TAMIKA MALOREY
WHO'S BEEN A NATIONAL ACTIVIST
AROUND THIS WORK, AND WE LOOKED
AT WORK ACROSS THE STATE,
WISCONSIN, AND THE COUNTRY, AS
WE BEGAN TO CRAFT OUR PARTICULAR
RECOMMENDATIONS
>> THE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS,
THE FINAL REPORT WAS RELEASED
TODAY FROM THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS DO YOU SEE
AS IMPERATIVE FOR THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN AND FOR THE SAFETY OF
THE BLACK COMMUNITY?
>> WELL, MANY FIRST AND
FOREMOST, I WOULD SAY THAT EVERY
RECOMMENDATION IS IMPORTANT.
IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT
REPORT, THERE'S ONE OF THE
ACTUAL YEARS THAT WE TALKED
ABOUT THAT IS ONE THAT'S NEAR
AND DEAR TO ME H UNNECESSARILY
SUMMONING OF A POLICE OFFICER
WHICH WAS CREATED BECAUSE OF MY
PROFILE INCIDENT IN WISCONSIN.
EVERY BILL IS RELATABLE, AND
EVERY ONE OF THOSE TOPICS IS SO
IMPORTANT.
THERE IS A TOP THAT I CAN WE DID
NOT COMPLETE.
SO THE USE OF FORCE IS ONE OF
THOSE TOPICS.
WE COULD NOT AS A TASK FORCE
COME UP WITH ONE UNIFIED
DEFINITION.
IN FACT, WE SPENT SEVERAL
MEETINGS IN THAT, AND YESTERDAY,
WE SPENT FROM TEN IN THE MORNING
TO TWO IN THE AFTERNOON, STILL
TRYING TO COME UP WITH A
DEFINITION, AND IT WAS ONE WORD
THAT REALLY WAS DIVIDING THE
ROOM, WHICH IS PROPORTIONALITY,
AND THAT CAME FROM NEW JERSEY
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S WORK, AND
THAT WE DECIDE TODAY START UP
WITH ANOTHER WORK GROUP THAT IS
MADE UP OF SOME OF THE SAME TASK
FORCE EXPERTS, AND BRINGING IN
THE EXPERTS FROM THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE, AND TRYING TO
GETTING A DEFINED DEFINITION.
BUT I THINK THAT USE OF FORCE IS
A TOP NOTCH BILL THAT WE HAVE TO
GET RIGHT ACROSS THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
I WAS WATCHING THAT COMMITTEE
MEETING YESTERDAY, AND
SUBSEQUENT COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS
YOU'VE HAD THEM OVER THE LAST
SEVEN MONTHS.
IT'S MADE UP OF LAWMAKERS, AND
LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, AND DIVERGED ON SOME
THINGS AS THE DEFINITION OF USE
OF FORCE AS WELL AS QUALIFIED
IMMUNITY.
QUITE FRANKLY, ARE THESE OF
ISSUES DIFFICULT TO DISCUSS WITH
PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT LIVED THE
EXPERIENCE OF BEING BLACK IN
AMERICA AND IN WISCONSIN?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S A TUNNEL
VISION.
IT'S NOT HARD FOR ME TO TALK TO
ANYONE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WAS IMPORTANT
IS TO LISTEN TO COMMUNITIES OF
COLOR THAT ARE IMPACTED.
LISTEN TO VALIDATE ORS OR
INFLUENCERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND
SAYING HERE'S THE REALITY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT
OFTENTIMES LAW ENFORCEMENT GET A
CHANCE TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION.
THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY HAVE
WITH COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS AFTER A
MAJOR UNREST OR AFTER SOMETHING
THAT'S HAPPENED.
BUT WHEN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATION
TAKEN PLACE BEFORE, PRIOR TO
THOSE INCIDENCES.
SO IT WAS NOT HARD, BUT I THINK
THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR EVERY
TASK FORCE MEMBER TO SPEAK TRUTH
TO WHATEVER THAT ISSUE WAS, AND
I THINK THAT YOU HEARD SOME
REALLY REALLY PERSONAL
CONVERSATION WHICH IS YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LEAK TO BE
IN A CAR DRIVING DOWN THE STREET
BLACK, AND YOUR CELL PHONE IS
MISTAKEN AS A GUN.
THE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE
YOU ARE WHITE.
AND SO WE WEREN'T LOOKING FORUM
PATH I BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT,
YOU KNOW WHAT, I COULD BEGAIN TO
UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE,
WHY THEY ARE PRESSING ON CERTAIN
REFORMS, WHY IS THAT NECESSARY
FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR?
THERE WERE SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT
PARTNERS IN THAT THAT SPACE.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME
THAT IT WORKED AT A TABLE WITH
SO MANY DIVERSE GROUPS.
BUT THEY ALSO WERE STRETCHED IN
A CAPACITY THAT PROBABLY THEY
NEVER HAVE BEEN, IT WAS THE
FIRST TIME THAT WE HAD SOME OF
OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS COME TO
THE TABLE AND SAY WHY I AM AT A
TABLE EVEN WITH YOU.
>> IN THAT ROOM WE CAME TO A
CONSENSUS, WE HAD MEMBERS CRYING
AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE
PROCESS, AND WE HAD MEMBERS
YELLING AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
AND WE HAD MEMBERS THAT NEEDED
TO STRETCH, COME BACK OUT, AND
COME BACK IN.
WHAT YOU SAW IN-THAT ROOM IS
REALITY.
IT IS HARD WORK, BUT WHAT I WANT
YOU TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IS THAT
IT TOOK THE TASK FORCE, MEMBERS
FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME INTO
THE CAPITAL AND WORK WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND TWO ELECTED
OFFICIALS TO WORK AT A
BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION
INORDER TO MOVE ANY POLICE
REFORMS ACROSS THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
AND I COMMEND EVERYONE OF THE
COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT CAME IN
THAT ROOM TO TRUST PEOPLE THAT
THEY HAD NEVER WORLD WITHKED WITH
BEFORE, AND TO TRUST THE
PROCESS.
THAT IS THE UNDERLYING WORK, IS
TRUSTING THE PROCESS, AND THE
PROCESS WORKED.
>> NOW, AS FAR AS USE OF FORCE,
PROPORTIONALITY AND OBJECTIVE
REASONABLENESS
REASONABLENESS, WERE WERE THOSE
TWO THINGS IN THAT DISCUSSION
SUCH HAD A DIFFICULT CONSENSUS
TO COME TOGETHER?
>> SURE.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER, SOME OF THE
CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, ONE OF
THE PROBLEMS IS THE WORD
"PROPORTIONALITY" WHEN IT'S
DEFINED BY THE NEW JERSEY
ATTORNEY GENERAL IT'S A
RECOMMENDATION.
IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN MEET WHERE
YOU ARE WITH FORCE.
FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S A
PROBLEM BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE
STATUTES ARE DEFINE FROM THE
SUPREME COURT, AND WE HAVE THE
WISCONSIN COURT AND THEN WE HAVE
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
PROPORTIONALITY TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT MEANS EQUAL.
SO I CAN MEET YOU WITH EQUAL
FORCE, AND THAT IS VERY
PROBLEMATIC FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY COULD NOT
EMBRACE THE WORD
"PROPORTIONALITY".
INSTEAD THEY WANTED TO STAY WITH
OBJECTIVE REASONABLENESS, AND TO
MEET YOU WITH THE TOTALITY.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO TAKE
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK
TO USE OF FORCE, AND THEN BRING
IN SOMEONE FROM THE TRAINING
ROLE, AND SOMEONE FROM THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ARES
INTO THE SPACE, AND HAD HE BEEN
THEM EXPLAIN TO US WHY THESE
WORDS ARE SO HARD, AND IT WAS
JUST ONE WORD.
IN EYE IT IS TO OUR NEXT WORK
GROUP WE WILL BE REACHING TO THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN NEW
JERSEY BECAUSE HE MADE A
RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHAT ONE OF THE TASK FORCE
MEMBERS WANTED TO DO IS TAKE THE
RECOMMENDATION WITH THE WORD
"PROPORTIONALITY", AND MAKE IT
PART OF THE WISCONSIN STATUTE,
AND THAT'S WHEN HE LAW
ENFORCEMENT SAID THAT THAT WORD
DOES NOT BELONG IN THE STATUTE
BUT IT CAN BELONG IN A FOLLOWING
SENTENCE BEFORE THE NOT THE
STATUTE.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT
TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEW JERSEY
ATTORNEY GENERAL WROTE THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY
SOME UNREST.
HE WAS PROBABLY RESPOND OF
RESPONDING TO HIS COMMUNITY, BUT
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE
NOT REACHED OUT TO HIM.
THIS NEXT WORK GROUP WE WILL BE
REACHING OUT TO HIM.
WE SHOULD MEET FOR ABOUT A
MONTH, AND THEN COME FORWARD
WITH A STAND DISEASED DEFINITION
FOR USE OF FORCE.
>> TO COME DOWN TO ONE WORD, AND
IN THE JACOB BLAKE CASE, THE
OFFICER WAS NOT CHARGED BECAUSE
THE LAW DID NOT ALLOW FOR IT.
THAT'S A HEAVY WHERED YOU TO BE
MAKING LAWS, AND IT CAN COME
TOWN TO JUST ONE WORD.
>> TO JUST ONE WORD.
AND I WILL HONEST WITH YOU,
THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN THIS TASK
FORCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE
HAVE BECAUSE WE WILL BE
TRANSCENDING AND SENDING THE
REFORMS FORWARD FOR THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN AND WE DON'T KNOW IF
AND WHEN IT WOULD CHANGE AGAIN,
RIGHT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT
RIGHT, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE RECOMMENDING AND PLACING
INTO LAW MAKES SENSE, AND MOVES
OUR STATE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN
REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD FOR THE
JACOB BLAKE CASE, OF THE GEORGE
FLOYD CASES OF THE BREONNA
TAYLOR CASES AND FROM OTHER
CASES FROM AROUND THE STATE FROM
HAPPENING.
SO FOR ME, I WOULD RATHER TAKE
IT SLOW, AND EASY AND MAKE SURE
HAD A WHAT I AM RECOMMENDING
MAKE SENSE, THAN TO BE QUICK,
AND FAST AND FURIOUS, AND THEN
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
MYSELF AND THE REPRESENT STIFF
GO BACK TO OUR CAUCUS US AND
MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND
THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TALK TO
GOVERNOR EVERS, AND HOPEFULLY
GET THE BILLS THROUGH THE ASELL
BRILL AND SENATE HOUSE, AND THEN
PASSED INTO LAW.
>> AND THEN AMOUNT OF US IN THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN COULD HAVE
ANOTHER SIGN OF RELIEF BECAUSE
AT LEAST WE PUT THOSE REFORMS ON
THE BOOK FOR OUR STATE.
>> AND THOSE GET TO MY NEXT
QUESTIONS.
I SPOKE WITH ANGELA EARLIER
TODAY, AND SHE SPOKE OF BIGGER
AND BROADER REFORMS.
ARE THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES
WHAT YOU SEE AS LEADING TO
OVERCOME THE SYSTEMIC AND
INSTITUTIONAL LICENSED RACISM?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT THERE'S NO BETTER
PERSON THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN
THAT ROOM CRAFTING LEGISLATIONS
THAN THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK
THAT BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS,
THERE WAS ONLY TWO ELECT THE
OFFICIALS.
THERE'S TWO ELECT THE OFFICIALS,
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDARD
COMMITTEE, AND TWO ELECTED
OFFICIALS WITH EDUCATION AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WAS
STRATEGICALLY DESIGNED THAT WAY,
SO WE CAN HEAR FROM OUTSIDERS
AND NOT HAVE THE ELECTED
OFFICIALS MOVING FORWARD IN THAT
WAY.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SAY
IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.
BUT WHAT CAN SEE IS YOU SHOW ME
AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU HAVE
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMMUNITY
COMING TOGETHER, AND BUY
PARTISAN SHIP IN THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN DRAFTING THE
LEGISLATION THAT WE DID, AND
TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T THINK THAT
THIS A LEGISLATION SHOULD MOVE
ANYWHERE.
WE BROUGHT, LIKE I SAID,
COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS THAT WOULD
LITERALLY LEAVE OUR TASK FORCE
MEETINGS AND GO INTO THE
COMMUNITY AND LEAD PROTESTING
AND BRING THEM IN THE STATES
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S HARD.
WE HAD SOME HARD TIMES AND I
DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER TASK
FORCE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN THE
CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WERE.
THREE NATIONAL CASES, AND WE
STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR
WORK.
THERE WERE A LOT OF EMOTIONS.
THAT'S A LOT OF STRESS.
NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN WITH THESE CASES, AND AS
THINGS GO ON, WEEK STILL
MAINTAIN OUR FOCUS.
AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SHOW
WHO WAS IN THAT ROOM, GOES TO
SHOW THE LEADERSHIP THAT WAS
BEFORE US.
I REALLY MANY HONORED THAT THE
SPEAKER VOSS, TRUSTED ME, AND
REPETITIVE STEINKE, TO BE THE
DEMOCRAT TO GO IN THAT ROOM, AND
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
LEGISLATION, AND CHOOSE WHO
COULD BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, SO
WE COULD HAVE THE RIGHT VOICES,
MOVE US ONE STEP FURTHER TO LAW.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE HE THE
LAW.
SO IT'S NOT THERE.
SO WE ARE CREATING SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE YET.
>> DO YOU SEE CHALLENGES AHEAD
AS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS DO MOVE
TOWARDS THE LEGISLATURE, A
REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED
LEGISLATURE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE
REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL OF
BOTH HOUSES AND OUR GOVERNOR IS
A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR.
BUT BECAUSE WE WORKED BIPARTISAN
WITH COMMUNITY, WHY ON EARTH
WOULD OUR COLLEAGUES NOT WANT TO
ACCEPT RECOMMENDATION FROM
COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SPENT SEVEN
MONTHS BECOMING EXPERTS IN THESE
TOPICS, AND IN THESE SCENARIOS,
AND SO WHAT I PLAN TO DO IS
SHARE IT WITH THE CAUCUS, TELL
ME WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT AND GET
THEM TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE
LEGISLATION THAT'S THE SAME
TRACK THAT STEINKE, IS WORKING
ON, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IS
INTRODUCING BILLS IN MAY IT AND
GETTING THOSE BILLS PASSED HAVE
THEM IN THE ASELL WHEN, PASS
THEM IN THE ASSEMBLY IN JUNE.
HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF JUNE,
GOVERNOR EVERS SIGNS THEM INTO
LAW.
THAT'S THE TRACK THAT
REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS IS LOOKING
FORWARD TO SEEING.
EVERY DAY THAT WE ARE SPENDING
NOT GETTING THIS DONE IS A DAY
TOO LATE.
THESE BILLS HAVE TO GET
INTRODUCED.
THEY HAVE TO GET ON THE BOOKS.
THEY NEED TO GET TO OUR
CAUCUSES, THEY NEED TO GET INTO
THE APRELIMINARY AND THE SENATE
HOUSE.
THEY NEED TO GET PASSED.
I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL GOVERNOR
EVERS SIGNS THESE BILLS INTO LAW
JUST LIKE I CAN'T WAIT WHEN U.S.
PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE
PRESIDENT HARRIS STAND THERE AND
SIGN THE GEORGE FLOYD ACT WITH
HIS FAMILY INTO LAW.
AT THAT MOMENT, THAT'S GOING TO
CHANGE A LOT OF SCENARIOS FOR
PEOPLE ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF
COLOR THAT ARE FEELING LIKE THEY
ARE NOT BEING HEARD, THAT THEY
ARE NOT BEING LOOKED AT IN THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN.
WE HAVE THE WORST DISPARITIES IN
THE NATION.
THIS IS THE WORST STATE TO RAISE
A BLACK FAMILY.
MILWAUKEE IS THE MOST SEGREGATED
CITY IN THE COUNTRY, IN THE
NATION.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT IN THE STATE
OF WISCONSIN THAT WE REALLY
BEGAN TO ADDRESS THE INEQUITIES
THAT EXIST IN EVERY STATE OF A
PERSON A LIFE THAT ARE PEOPLE OF
COLOR IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.
REMEMBER, THIS LEGISLATION WAS
DRAFTED WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR IN
THAT ROOM.
WHO WOULD ARGUE WITH THAT?
>> REPRESENTATIVE STUBBS WE NEED
TO LEAVE IT THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MORE YOUR
TIME TODAY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR THIS INTERVIEW
YOU, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
TALKING BACK TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE
THE BILLS INTRODUCED.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
FOR MORE FROM HERE AND NOW IN
PBS, YOU CAN VISIT PADDIES.ORG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
ONCE AGAIN ON NOON WEDNESDAY.
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