WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:19.440 Okay, it's 5.02 p.m. on May 19th, we'll call to order the Village Board work session. 00:19.440 --> 00:23.440 Brandy, are you keeping track of the roll tonight? 00:23.440 --> 00:24.440 Thank you. 00:24.440 --> 00:26.280 I have no announcements. 00:26.280 --> 00:28.000 Anyone else have any announcements? 00:29.000 --> 00:30.000 Discussion items. 00:30.000 --> 00:34.880 Um, discussion regarding Fourth of July Firework vendors for 2027. 00:34.880 --> 00:39.000 Bishop Klein-Stuyberg and Rachel Malley. 00:39.000 --> 00:47.840 Leish. 00:47.840 --> 00:54.320 So a couple of weeks ago, I was contacted by our current Fourth of July vendor, and unfortunately 00:54.320 --> 01:02.680 he is retiring after this year, so I reached out to a couple other Fourth of July or other 01:02.680 --> 01:11.400 Firework vendors and tried to get some price estimates for billing for 2027 or going forward, 01:11.400 --> 01:15.760 and I kind of shared that in a document that I shared with you guys. 01:15.760 --> 01:21.280 Some of them would not even give me a quote because they pretty much just emailed me or 01:21.280 --> 01:26.400 talked to me on the phone and said it would be approximately anywhere from like $1,000 01:26.400 --> 01:28.760 a minute for the show. 01:28.760 --> 01:36.800 One of them did give me a quote for, I think, $13,000 for next year, so I'd like to try 01:36.800 --> 01:42.040 to get something booked sooner than later because there is not a lot of Fourth of July 01:42.040 --> 01:49.880 or Firework vendors out there to put on Fireworks for us, so I don't want to be in a situation 01:49.880 --> 01:57.720 where we don't have a vendor for 2027. 01:57.720 --> 02:05.320 Some of them are about $1,000 per minute, and then the one quote that I have is for $13,000, 02:05.320 --> 02:13.440 and this year we're paying Chrome Firework $12,750, and that's about what we've been 02:13.440 --> 02:16.800 paying them this year and like last year. 02:16.800 --> 02:21.080 I don't know what the Chamber was paying years previous, but I think that's about the 02:21.080 --> 02:24.440 average price that we've been paying them. 02:24.440 --> 02:27.160 Alicia, quick question for you guys. 02:27.160 --> 02:34.960 I saw on there that you said the one for $13,000 was recommended from another area. 02:34.960 --> 02:39.560 Did they give any guidance like on the timing since everybody else, the other two bids bid 02:39.560 --> 02:40.560 per minute? 02:40.560 --> 02:41.560 Did they tell you? 02:41.560 --> 02:42.560 Yep. 02:42.560 --> 02:43.800 I have the bid here. 02:43.800 --> 02:47.840 It would be about 20 to 25 minutes for the show. 02:47.840 --> 02:48.840 Thank you. 02:48.840 --> 02:51.600 And that's about how long our show is currently. 02:51.600 --> 02:52.600 Okay. 02:52.600 --> 02:56.680 So it would be a cost savings from the other two, definitely. 02:56.680 --> 02:57.680 Okay. 02:57.680 --> 03:01.360 Can you remind me, who sets off the fireworks? 03:01.360 --> 03:03.680 Is it the vendor or is it our fire department? 03:03.680 --> 03:12.480 It is a vendor, thanks, but the fire department does inspect them when they come and set up. 03:12.480 --> 03:13.480 Anyone else? 03:13.480 --> 03:14.480 No. 03:14.480 --> 03:18.720 So we just want to confirm this is for July 3rd. 03:18.720 --> 03:21.960 Yes, for July 3rd of 2027. 03:21.960 --> 03:24.360 And July 4th would be more expensive. 03:24.360 --> 03:25.360 Yes. 03:25.360 --> 03:26.360 That's hard. 03:26.360 --> 03:27.360 I'm standing. 03:27.360 --> 03:31.360 You just want a discussion tonight? 03:31.360 --> 03:35.520 Yeah, I just brought up for discussion and then we would. 03:35.520 --> 03:36.520 Yeah. 03:36.520 --> 03:37.520 This evening is discussion only. 03:37.600 --> 03:44.800 I think we need another meeting here to prepare a resolution and a contract for approval. 03:44.800 --> 03:51.440 Well, I would say 13,000 is pretty close to what we were paying. 03:51.440 --> 03:55.280 That's far better than 20, 25. 03:55.280 --> 03:56.280 That's my opinion. 03:56.280 --> 03:57.280 Anyone else? 03:57.280 --> 03:58.280 Jump. 03:58.280 --> 04:01.360 I would just say that the price seems fair. 04:01.360 --> 04:07.120 I just asked that you look into what they plan on or the number of and stuff because I 04:07.120 --> 04:12.080 know there's a number of people that I've said are how impressive our fireworks are. 04:12.080 --> 04:16.120 So it would be nice to know it's at least somewhat close to there. 04:16.120 --> 04:22.800 I did share with them the type of fireworks that we currently light off of all the specifications 04:22.800 --> 04:25.920 and he shared in his quote what they're lighting off. 04:25.920 --> 04:31.680 So he said that we would probably have a better fireworks show than we currently have. 04:31.680 --> 04:33.680 So. 04:34.680 --> 04:36.680 Is that all you needed? 04:36.680 --> 04:37.680 Mm hmm. 04:37.680 --> 04:38.680 Okay. 04:38.680 --> 04:39.680 Thanks Tricia. 04:39.680 --> 04:42.680 Thank you. 04:42.680 --> 04:48.680 Next discussion on regarding 2027 budget calendar that would be Brandon and Bill. 04:48.680 --> 04:49.680 Thank you. 04:49.680 --> 04:58.680 So from our last work session, I disclose that we would be wanting to bring forward our annual budget calendar. 04:58.680 --> 05:05.080 So that is going to be on the screen right now for you as they were just pulling it up. 05:05.080 --> 05:10.600 For trustees over here before the calendar will work will look pretty similar with some 05:10.600 --> 05:16.000 of the updates just being when departments would be sharing their departmental budget 05:16.000 --> 05:21.520 presentations for for the trustees throughout work sessions within here. 05:21.520 --> 05:26.720 So the calendar that they're going through right now just kind of outlines exactly what 05:26.720 --> 05:33.640 we had talked about as a team of when certain departments would be open to sharing their 05:33.640 --> 05:40.240 priorities, their capital expenses, the things that we're going to be impacting them the 05:40.240 --> 05:47.440 most here and then the village would still want to have some community home sessions 05:47.440 --> 05:53.520 out in the public as well to that's marked within here as well as our tentative goal 05:53.520 --> 06:00.520 of when the publication notice would be sent out with a formal adoption on November 17th. 06:00.520 --> 06:06.160 Again, just for tonight's discussion, it was just more of a feedback of how you liked the 06:06.160 --> 06:10.000 budget process so far for trustees that have been in here or if there's anything that you 06:10.000 --> 06:16.000 all might want to look at changing within here another discussion perhaps, at least we're 06:16.000 --> 06:19.960 talking with the department heads and the team members within here. 06:19.960 --> 06:26.200 This process has worked well for the team so far so with myself just coming in and being 06:26.200 --> 06:29.520 less than a month in it, I didn't really want to shake it up way too much of what's been 06:29.520 --> 06:35.000 working so far but at least this year I'd be being a little bit more diligent taking 06:35.000 --> 06:40.080 some notes, getting some more feedback in and perhaps there may some shake up of it for 06:40.080 --> 06:45.280 next year but this is at least what's on the calendars but what's being proposed by the 06:45.320 --> 06:51.240 team here as a tentative schedule and just looking for feedback. 06:51.240 --> 06:57.920 I saw a couple of things to kind of keep your mind on here as well as then a copy of 06:57.920 --> 07:03.480 the schedule after this meeting as we confirm some of these dates. 07:03.480 --> 07:12.120 We do intend to have in addition to the public hearing to public meetings, listening sessions 07:12.120 --> 07:17.960 I would say so when we first started having these public listening sessions we did two 07:17.960 --> 07:25.520 one in one very early in the year, intention of that meeting was to solicit and hear from 07:25.520 --> 07:30.960 the general public on what some of the community priorities were and then the second meeting 07:30.960 --> 07:36.200 we held generally later in the year when we had more information from departments and 07:36.200 --> 07:40.320 we've actually had some of those numbers. 07:40.320 --> 07:46.640 Last year we decided because of the participation in the first year to just hold one meeting 07:46.640 --> 07:50.360 and we had a little bit more comments but this year we're thinking about going back 07:50.360 --> 07:58.640 to the two meetings and so as you see here the initial public meeting is intended to 07:58.640 --> 08:08.000 be held in the July timeframe and so if there's a particular date that you want let us know 08:08.000 --> 08:13.520 or it works better for you let us know and we can we can then put that down. 08:13.520 --> 08:21.600 The second meeting gets pretty close to the public hearing that's at the end of October 08:21.600 --> 08:27.200 we have here on this agenda and then the public hearing of course is in November so if you 08:27.200 --> 08:31.320 think that's too close to the public hearing also let us know but that's that's kind of 08:31.320 --> 08:37.960 that testing of here are the numbers you know the public's going to be able to see 08:37.960 --> 08:43.800 that you're going to be able to see that we would have had our discussions on a majority 08:43.800 --> 08:52.120 of the big items and so it's a limits test before we go into that public hearing. 08:52.120 --> 08:58.520 Again if generally those work well for you I'll work with Brandon on setting a date that 08:58.520 --> 09:04.280 way we can stay CA and I can work on getting communications out early this year and we 09:04.280 --> 09:11.560 couldn't then formalize that. We'll also look at you know ways to be more interactive and 09:11.560 --> 09:20.760 engaged for us in regards to the budgeting process but as I've told you before we continue 09:20.920 --> 09:30.520 to build this process out so that it's something that that works for not only the village staff 09:30.520 --> 09:33.720 but yourself as the board and then also the community. 09:36.920 --> 09:39.240 Thank you Bill. Comments anyone? 09:41.800 --> 09:42.120 Jim? 09:43.000 --> 09:52.040 I know I've asked for this in the past and I guess I'm trying to look at the calendar but I 09:52.040 --> 09:58.920 can't quite read it but my what what I what I don't like about the process that we've had 09:58.920 --> 10:06.520 the few years that I've been here is that we have the presentations and they're very well prepared 10:07.240 --> 10:15.000 in the desires and wants of all the departments but I have a hard time say comparing that say to 10:15.000 --> 10:20.920 maybe a previous year what I anticipate the budget to be because it's one department at a time 10:22.360 --> 10:29.080 and that can be okay but I guess the ask that I'm getting to is that usually when all the 10:29.080 --> 10:34.520 departments are done they get sort of packaged together in our draft budget and that's sort of 10:34.520 --> 10:43.720 the first time we see all the sort of asks that are in competition with each other. 10:45.320 --> 10:50.920 I don't know quite how to get around that but one idea that I have is that when the department 10:50.920 --> 10:58.120 heads come in to do their presentation it'd be nice to have the comparison to like say the previous 10:58.120 --> 11:05.720 year so maybe we can use that to start anticipating the competitiveness between the 11:06.440 --> 11:14.520 different asks that makes sense. Yeah that's completely reasonable. I think there's been some 11:16.200 --> 11:22.440 desire not to do that just because at that time there's usually so much unknown but I think if 11:22.440 --> 11:29.480 we just make some estimations and I'll know that it's still very much in flux that we can 11:29.480 --> 11:37.400 with these maybe move forward. Yeah so that that's always a concern with how early our budgeting 11:37.400 --> 11:43.240 process is when departments are making these presentations. Obviously we can get quotes and 11:43.240 --> 11:54.520 bids and I'll be able to factor them in and we can compare them to per se in analysis of what 11:54.520 --> 12:00.200 it looked like at this time or middle of the year last year because those numbers will be skewed if 12:00.200 --> 12:06.040 you're looking at actual whole year versus what is projected you know this year or next year. 12:06.680 --> 12:12.520 So I have to think about that obviously it's going to put pressure on each of the department heads 12:12.520 --> 12:17.320 and I'm looking at you guys to get your budget sitting a little bit earlier especially the numbers 12:18.040 --> 12:25.720 and where we expect there to be changes and so you know that's something that we'll have to 12:25.720 --> 12:32.840 coordinate as we come along here. Now I'm okay with doing that as long as you can promise me 12:32.840 --> 12:37.560 that that we're not going to be held exactly to those numbers because those numbers can change 12:37.640 --> 12:42.760 in the sort of time span especially given the market climate that we're currently in. 12:45.800 --> 12:51.880 The other comment I'd make too is I worry about having the second public meeting too close to 12:51.880 --> 12:57.480 the adoption as I feel there's a redundancy to change when you're getting that tight. 12:58.040 --> 13:04.600 So I'd prefer it to be a little bit further out but I guess I'll let staff decide what's most 13:04.600 --> 13:12.280 appropriate. Thank you. Jamie you're talking about the second public information meeting in October. 13:22.200 --> 13:27.160 You guys are going to figure that out staff? Yeah we'll figure it out and we'll share that. 13:27.880 --> 13:36.680 I'm going to say we all know that I am no spreadsheet reader but I kind of like that. 13:36.680 --> 13:42.200 If I can see what this department had in 2025 versus what they're asking for in 26 like one-on-one 13:42.200 --> 13:50.520 that would be kind of cool. My two cents? Anyone else have any? Just a quick question on seeing 13:50.520 --> 13:55.880 the comparisons are you wanting to see is the group wanting to see the full budget or their 13:55.880 --> 13:59.560 particular items that you're looking for? Or is it just the genius? 14:04.360 --> 14:12.920 Does some of these budgets have 200 roles? No I don't want to make that much work. 14:14.440 --> 14:20.600 Jim? I guess my concern is I know like when we look at say a sheet that is 14:21.480 --> 14:27.000 I guess I'm picturing like one sheet that tends to have what say 30 or 40 roles on it. 14:27.720 --> 14:34.760 A lot of it is like human resources I'll say and I know preliminary or say in the middle of 14:34.760 --> 14:39.400 summer a lot of those numbers are going to change because it's based on like the insurance and 14:39.400 --> 14:46.280 things like that but I'm looking more at say like the hard numbers or say the number of trucks 14:46.280 --> 14:53.720 or drill for else is being requested. I guess there are some lion items that can be said 14:53.720 --> 14:59.720 relatively early compared to the human resource. So you're looking more for a comparison of just 14:59.720 --> 15:05.880 like capital items in more particular versus. Yeah I think so too the stuff. 15:05.880 --> 15:20.760 Yeah I was thinking it would be nice to see like a personnel would be one lion item and if you had 15:20.760 --> 15:25.880 an NFTE why is there an extra 80 grand in that view to tell us why you know those big changes. 15:27.000 --> 15:31.560 Capital things I think I don't want to tell any of you how to 15:32.200 --> 15:37.080 budget for your teams but if there's big expenses big variances just the explanation of why. 15:39.320 --> 15:47.880 So I can tell you I mean I can just for my experience I can tell you that the majority of the changes 15:47.880 --> 15:53.960 will be in personnel and staffing. You're not going to see any of those changes in July or 15:53.960 --> 15:59.640 you're not going to see a change in that until you tell me what you're comfortable with raising 15:59.640 --> 16:05.240 rates you know we can plug in a number and say hey this is what we expect the cost of living 16:05.240 --> 16:11.880 adjustment to be and and have you gauge that as okay do you go up percentage from that or down 16:11.880 --> 16:21.080 percentage from that but it's going to be challenging to see that because a lot of the plugins that 16:21.080 --> 16:31.960 we'll have for the data are going to be dependent on how you direct us towards it right so a lot 16:31.960 --> 16:40.600 of the more capital items I think that's an easy solve in regards to a display but at some point 16:40.600 --> 16:46.920 here we'll have to calculate the cost what what is the cost of operation and the cost to continue 16:47.000 --> 16:53.400 the service as it is here and how we've been doing it in the past is any any additional 16:54.680 --> 17:00.360 wants above needs then we have come to the board for kind of a decision on that so that's kind of 17:00.360 --> 17:05.160 the struggle we can try to put something together but that's that's part of the struggle that we have 17:05.160 --> 17:13.800 with budgeting in process and that being able to provide you with all the information that you 17:13.800 --> 17:19.720 want to be able to make a decision because quite honestly we don't have all that we don't have 17:19.720 --> 17:25.400 all that information yet so it's going to be a work in progress I can promise that it's going to be 17:26.440 --> 17:30.280 perfect but we're willing to work in that process with you 17:36.120 --> 17:36.520 we good 17:37.480 --> 17:44.520 we certainly can share you show you you're over here the capital improvement but it will be wildly 17:44.520 --> 17:49.880 different from year to year because a couple years ago we asked for two new patrol trucks they're 200,000 17:49.880 --> 17:55.000 a piece that put our capital improvement number probably significantly higher than we would have done 17:55.000 --> 18:02.280 in previous years there are some things that are pretty standard where we trade out tool cats or 18:02.680 --> 18:08.600 tool cats or skid steers every other year right so there's just there on a rotation so there might 18:08.600 --> 18:14.360 be a minor price increase or getting from the bobcat dealer where we get the skid steer from say or 18:14.360 --> 18:21.240 so those things are certainly easy to justify or order to book year to year but when you start 18:21.240 --> 18:27.240 adding road projects reconstruction projects those can be vastly different right and we don't 18:28.200 --> 18:34.760 in the past we had a number we tried to adhere to like we're only doing $2 million in road projects 18:34.760 --> 18:40.920 that that's changed lately to where it's kind of what the needs are and if we've got you know so 18:40.920 --> 18:48.440 this next year in 27 we'll be doing vinvern who could possibly be doing highway b right so there's 18:48.440 --> 18:53.960 those will be bigger projects that take more dollars than the the year after well two years 18:54.040 --> 18:59.800 after when we get done with whole them in 28 now there's different ranges so it can be difficult 18:59.800 --> 19:04.600 but I mean we certainly can share those numbers with you but it'll it's not you're not truly 19:04.600 --> 19:07.880 comparing apples to apples when it comes to the cip part that's finally concerned 19:10.920 --> 19:13.640 well then it sounds like we're just kind of wasting everybody's time 19:16.680 --> 19:22.360 can I can I just clarify well I think my understanding is that the board wants to understand 19:23.160 --> 19:29.720 potentially where are the big expenses coming in not necessarily projects but 19:29.720 --> 19:35.080 correct because operations can have a large price a large cost adjustment as part of that 19:36.120 --> 19:42.200 so what what I would recommend I think maybe this this is a good meeting in the middle here 19:43.080 --> 19:49.560 is I'll work with the department heads and in finance here that if there is a 19:50.440 --> 19:58.440 a large expenditure that's above and over what the previous year was that we also show 19:58.440 --> 20:04.040 that number so that you can compare it to and some of these things will fit into categories 20:04.600 --> 20:14.840 for example you know we fit office furniture into operations line item you won't see the 20:14.920 --> 20:19.240 furniture on the in the budget but you'll see the operations you know fall under that 20:19.800 --> 20:24.280 and so we can provide a listing of what all falls under that operational line item 20:24.840 --> 20:30.440 and compare it you know when all said and done here's how that section is going to look like 20:30.440 --> 20:38.360 compared to the previous year that makes sense does that provide some clarification just complexity 20:38.360 --> 20:44.120 between what I think you're interested in the particulars versus how we budget was 20:44.280 --> 20:49.960 more general that's exactly what I was talking about you say operations that really doesn't 20:49.960 --> 20:57.160 mean much to me um if you show me that you're getting seven news stand up fancy desks or whatever 20:57.160 --> 21:03.160 my question is why do we need that you know that's that's where I'm coming from yeah and mine you 21:03.160 --> 21:07.720 gotta remember we're dealing with a simple mind yeah and part of that is the complexity right so 21:07.800 --> 21:17.560 like for example this year we may have ordered five desks two computers and all within the 21:17.560 --> 21:23.480 line budget of operations had five thousand dollars in store numbers next year we so many 21:23.480 --> 21:30.760 have five thousand dollars in that line item but it's instead of tables and and computers it's 21:30.760 --> 21:38.440 cheers and something else bookshelves um so I think I think we need to understand that you know 21:41.320 --> 21:47.560 there's different layers of complexity in how we list the items and then how they get 21:47.560 --> 21:54.200 represented in the budget because while there's interest in the some of those details here 21:54.920 --> 22:01.400 um capturing all of that onto a budget document is is challenging 22:04.440 --> 22:07.240 anybody else want to add anything Jen? 22:09.400 --> 22:16.520 um I don't say that I feel like the last couple years that I like the process we've been using 22:16.520 --> 22:21.800 and I feel that we're getting enough information and the right information to make the decisions 22:21.800 --> 22:24.680 going forward so I'm pretty happy with the way it's been 22:27.880 --> 22:28.840 I don't disagree 22:33.640 --> 22:36.440 all right you got what you need you're gonna take it from there 22:37.240 --> 22:39.320 make us all happy yeah what we need thank you 22:41.560 --> 22:46.840 next step discussion 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23:59.800 So we. 23:59.800 --> 24:02.800 Wanna bring. 24:02.800 --> 24:04.800 One to start. 24:04.800 --> 24:07.800 Yeah, he's got to share it. 24:07.800 --> 24:11.800 I want to start talking about our future. 24:11.800 --> 24:13.800 Possible mountain bike. 24:14.800 --> 24:16.800 area that we've. 24:16.800 --> 24:17.800 Recently. 24:17.800 --> 24:20.800 Acquired down there off a. 24:20.800 --> 24:22.800 Windsor road. 24:22.800 --> 24:25.800 It's roughly 16 and a half acres. 24:25.800 --> 24:28.800 Mostly force it a couple wetlands. 24:28.800 --> 24:30.800 Locations. 24:30.800 --> 24:34.800 The forested areas can consist of mature pines. 24:34.800 --> 24:37.800 Oaks, cherries, hickories and box elders. 24:37.800 --> 24:39.800 Butts the. 24:39.800 --> 24:42.800 Up to the one village of Windsor and you are a river. 24:43.800 --> 24:44.800 And. 24:44.800 --> 24:47.800 This last year we had the University Alliance produce. 24:47.800 --> 24:50.800 A documentation helping. 24:50.800 --> 24:52.800 The. 24:52.800 --> 24:54.800 Prevent further impacts the erosion. 24:54.800 --> 24:57.800 And native vegetation and along the heart river. 24:57.800 --> 25:01.800 So that document is kind of helping us guide. 25:01.800 --> 25:03.800 This project with the mountain biking. 25:03.800 --> 25:04.800 To. 25:04.800 --> 25:05.800 Prevent. 25:05.800 --> 25:07.800 Future. 25:08.800 --> 25:10.800 Issues with the ecology. 25:10.800 --> 25:12.800 In this area. 25:12.800 --> 25:14.800 So. 25:14.800 --> 25:16.800 Our next steps. 25:16.800 --> 25:20.800 If the board approves enough for the next. 25:20.800 --> 25:23.800 Budget year or 2027. 25:23.800 --> 25:25.800 We'd be looking at. 25:25.800 --> 25:30.800 Looking for planning dollars and possibly some building of trails. 25:30.800 --> 25:32.800 On this property for mountain biking. 25:33.800 --> 25:37.800 We're working with court, which is capital off road path liners. 25:37.800 --> 25:41.800 To help design and possibly build sections of trails. 25:41.800 --> 25:45.800 They would provide possibly some funding. 25:45.800 --> 25:49.800 To build the trails and fundraising. 25:49.800 --> 25:52.800 For trails and also volunteers. 25:52.800 --> 25:54.800 So they've got. 25:54.800 --> 25:56.800 A big group that's. 25:57.800 --> 26:01.800 Willing to volunteer their time to help us build trails. 26:01.800 --> 26:03.800 And then actually mark all. 26:03.800 --> 26:06.800 Where the trails would be on that land. 26:06.800 --> 26:10.800 There's also once we get there, but I guess. 26:10.800 --> 26:12.800 So. 26:12.800 --> 26:17.800 They core best remains about 13.5 billable acres. 26:17.800 --> 26:20.800 For the mountain bike areas, but. 26:20.800 --> 26:22.800 We think that's a little. 26:23.800 --> 26:25.800 Too much. 26:25.800 --> 26:27.800 Between John and I's. 26:27.800 --> 26:28.800 Calculations. 26:28.800 --> 26:31.800 We think there's eight and a half to nine acres available. 26:31.800 --> 26:33.800 Land for trails. 26:33.800 --> 26:35.800 So and then. 26:35.800 --> 26:37.800 Rough sketches of trails. 26:37.800 --> 26:39.800 Minimum would be both. 26:39.800 --> 26:42.800 One and a quarter miles up to three miles. 26:42.800 --> 26:45.800 Could be on on that parcel. 26:46.800 --> 26:52.800 Corp would help with the engagement of communications with residents and. 26:52.800 --> 26:54.800 Build community ownership. 26:54.800 --> 26:56.800 As well. 26:56.800 --> 26:57.800 There's. 26:57.800 --> 27:00.800 School mountain biking club that. 27:00.800 --> 27:02.800 Is very interested in helping. 27:02.800 --> 27:05.800 They keep asking one when we're going to get this mountain biking. 27:05.800 --> 27:07.800 Course and some lower. 27:07.800 --> 27:08.800 Work on it. 27:09.800 --> 27:10.800 Possible relics. 27:10.800 --> 27:11.800 This is a drawn up. 27:11.800 --> 27:13.800 Real rough. 27:13.800 --> 27:14.800 Plan that. 27:14.800 --> 27:15.800 Corp. 27:15.800 --> 27:17.800 Came up with just kind of showing. 27:17.800 --> 27:19.800 Hey, it could. 27:19.800 --> 27:21.800 Look somewhat like this. 27:21.800 --> 27:24.800 But the outer orange area would be. 27:24.800 --> 27:27.800 Volunteer built sections. 27:27.800 --> 27:29.800 And then. 27:29.800 --> 27:30.800 And then. 27:30.800 --> 27:31.800 And then. 27:31.800 --> 27:32.800 And then. 27:32.800 --> 27:33.800 And then. 27:34.800 --> 27:36.800 Be. 27:36.800 --> 27:38.800 Volunteer built sections. 27:38.800 --> 27:41.800 And those would be very easy. 27:41.800 --> 27:43.800 Maintainable. 27:43.800 --> 27:47.800 Pass and then the inner red areas would be. 27:47.800 --> 27:52.800 Professionally built trails more. 27:52.800 --> 27:55.800 Skills based kind of. 27:55.800 --> 27:57.800 Pass there. 27:57.800 --> 28:01.800 So there would need to be some boardwalk and. 28:02.800 --> 28:05.800 There would be some boardwalk. 28:05.800 --> 28:09.800 Through the wetlands on the north section. 28:09.800 --> 28:11.800 Way up here. 28:11.800 --> 28:13.800 There would be boardwalk through. 28:13.800 --> 28:15.800 Through here. 28:15.800 --> 28:18.800 And then Windsor. 28:18.800 --> 28:21.800 We would have to work with village Windsor to get access. 28:21.800 --> 28:24.800 They've got kind of a stormwater. 28:24.800 --> 28:25.800 Pond. 28:25.800 --> 28:27.800 Park area. 28:28.800 --> 28:30.800 That there's nice high ground that. 28:30.800 --> 28:33.800 Maybe if we work with them, we could get access. 28:33.800 --> 28:37.800 And not have to use as much boardwalk through that section. 28:37.800 --> 28:41.800 And then there is a trail on the east side of the. 28:41.800 --> 28:45.800 Parkland that we could possibly use to. 28:45.800 --> 28:47.800 Help get to that. 28:47.800 --> 28:49.800 Location. 28:49.800 --> 28:51.800 So. 28:51.800 --> 28:55.800 In talking about mountain bike course. 28:55.800 --> 28:57.800 And the. 28:57.800 --> 28:59.800 The trees out on this property. 28:59.800 --> 29:02.800 A majority of the trees on this property. 29:02.800 --> 29:04.800 Our red pine. 29:04.800 --> 29:07.800 We did an inventory went out there. 29:07.800 --> 29:10.800 Marked all the trees with GPS. 29:10.800 --> 29:13.800 And we've got nine hundred six hundred. 29:13.800 --> 29:15.800 Three trees. 29:15.800 --> 29:17.800 Six maples. 29:17.800 --> 29:20.800 Two hundred and fifty eight cherry trees and one hundred and 29:20.800 --> 29:22.800 forty one folk trees. 29:22.800 --> 29:23.800 Now. 29:23.800 --> 29:24.800 That. 29:24.800 --> 29:26.800 Just in the sections that are marked. 29:26.800 --> 29:29.800 In the green and red and purple. 29:29.800 --> 29:31.800 I didn't mark. 29:31.800 --> 29:32.800 There's a. 29:32.800 --> 29:34.800 Area up in the north west corner. 29:34.800 --> 29:36.800 Is mainly all. 29:36.800 --> 29:38.800 White pine, which. 29:38.800 --> 29:40.800 Are really mature. 29:40.800 --> 29:41.800 Really nice. 29:41.800 --> 29:43.800 And then the middle section is. 29:43.800 --> 29:45.800 A lot of oak. 29:45.800 --> 29:46.800 So. 29:46.800 --> 29:49.800 A thick, really nice old trees there. 29:49.800 --> 29:52.800 That we did not mark because there's no plans on there. 29:52.800 --> 29:53.800 I don't know. 29:53.800 --> 29:55.800 I don't know. 29:55.800 --> 29:56.800 I don't know. 29:56.800 --> 29:57.800 I don't know. 29:57.800 --> 29:58.800 I don't know. 29:58.800 --> 29:59.800 I don't know. 29:59.800 --> 30:00.800 I don't know. 30:00.800 --> 30:01.800 I don't know. 30:01.800 --> 30:02.800 I don't know. 30:02.800 --> 30:03.800 I don't know. 30:03.800 --> 30:04.800 I don't know. 30:04.800 --> 30:05.800 I have. 30:05.800 --> 30:06.800 I don't know. 30:06.800 --> 30:07.800 There's no plans on there. 30:07.800 --> 30:08.800 I'll go the next page. 30:08.800 --> 30:09.800 So we would. 30:09.800 --> 30:12.800 The shady would kind of talk about that. 30:12.800 --> 30:15.800 The shaded middle section is oh, 30:15.800 --> 30:18.800 And then the white pines are up above. 30:18.800 --> 30:21.800 We'd be. 30:21.800 --> 30:24.800 Looking to send out the red pines, 30:24.800 --> 30:28.800 which are all the red dots through there. 30:28.800 --> 30:31.800 In the reason we would be doing that is. 30:31.800 --> 30:41.880 We'd be opening up the canopy, it would help the red pine with being able to grow because 30:41.880 --> 30:46.840 they're getting constricted now because they're so thick and it's never been thinned. 30:46.840 --> 30:53.200 So another thing that could happen is we could get an infestation, some sort of bug comes 30:53.200 --> 30:58.600 in and it'll take out all the trees, whereas if we spread them out, they'll be healthier, 30:58.600 --> 31:08.720 they can maybe resist the insect that comes and then they can grow bigger and we'll be 31:08.720 --> 31:15.960 able to get sunlight to the forest ground and put native grasses and flowers in there 31:15.960 --> 31:22.960 and then start planting the future canopy. 31:22.960 --> 31:30.080 All of our natural areas were kind of converting to oak savannas, so I would recommend we'd 31:30.080 --> 31:41.440 start planting oaks throughout the pine plantation area and when those pines start to die out 31:41.440 --> 31:48.560 or we need to cut them down or they fall down or whatever, we'll have some trees to replace 31:48.560 --> 31:49.560 them. 31:50.560 --> 31:59.800 We've been working with talking with a forester from the DNR and try to get a forestry plan 31:59.800 --> 32:08.360 and our rough calculations, we have about seven, eight acres of red pine plantation, 32:08.360 --> 32:16.360 there's nothing growing on that forest floor, there are some sporadic buckthorn and homiesuckle 32:17.000 --> 32:23.000 plants, but for the most part it's just all pine needles, so opening up the 32:25.080 --> 32:31.720 pines would help that get the water and sunlight to the ground. 32:33.320 --> 32:41.800 We're working with the DNR to possibly set up a logging bit, so we would reach out to area 32:41.800 --> 32:49.160 loggers and say this is our project and the DNR is willing to help us through this process 32:49.160 --> 32:57.400 because we've never done that, so they said it could look like where these loggers would bid 32:57.400 --> 33:05.800 out, bid on the project and then we'd just take whatever one feels right for us. 33:06.680 --> 33:18.200 Red pine is not very attractive to loggers because it's not worth anything, it's typically 33:18.200 --> 33:26.280 pulp wood that they use that for, for the logging business. There are projects that 33:26.280 --> 33:32.520 like the village or the school could use some of the red pine for like if we wanted to work with 33:32.520 --> 33:39.160 say community, we'll have a day where we bring our sawmill and then we can show people, 33:39.160 --> 33:47.640 hey this is what, how we make two-by-fours and kind of make a community event, an educational 33:47.640 --> 33:57.160 event for the community and the school district could use that lumber or like making in their 33:57.240 --> 34:04.040 shop classes for sheds or whatever village could use some of that wood for park shelters. 34:05.320 --> 34:14.280 So there's possibilities out there of educational components. We're also estimating the pine 34:14.280 --> 34:25.560 plantation is roughly 50, 60 years old. The typical plantation is 60 to 80, 90 years that they last. 34:27.960 --> 34:35.560 We'll go to the next one. So we kind of talked about the uses, the wood sale, 34:36.360 --> 34:41.640 possibly the community involvement in the benefits, educational benefits. 34:43.960 --> 34:49.960 So this picture kind of shows some of the trees that we've gone out and marked. 34:50.760 --> 34:58.440 VNR showed us like, hey these are trees you want to look for. Any defects in the trees, 34:58.440 --> 35:07.320 you want to remove whether they're curved or they've got block rubs or any defects, 35:07.320 --> 35:14.440 you just want to remove those right away. This picture is not the forest but this is what it 35:14.440 --> 35:21.720 could possibly look like in the future with the removal of the thinning of the red pines. 35:22.760 --> 35:33.080 That little pathway almost would mimic a mountain bike trail through that area. These are just a 35:33.080 --> 35:42.600 couple photos, drone photos we took. So you can see the red pines through there. That's pretty thick. 35:43.480 --> 35:49.800 And then along the sides that's white pine and in the middle is all like oak, 35:49.800 --> 35:59.080 hickory, and some cherry trees. Desirable trees, you know, more red pine on the sides are 36:00.280 --> 36:08.440 oak, nice oak stands. We will not be looking the thinning of the white pine or oak sale. 36:09.400 --> 36:17.720 And this is a Windsor road at the bottom of the screen. I got some red pine and then on the west side 36:17.720 --> 36:28.440 of the picture there is all really mature, nice oak trees. There's the white pines, 36:29.400 --> 36:39.320 mature white pines. So some of the educational components of this could be, you know, when we do 36:39.320 --> 36:47.960 the mountain biking project, we would want to do some educational components with a signage. 36:49.480 --> 36:56.520 You know, we could put some interpretive signs out there showing why we thinned the woods, 36:57.080 --> 37:04.760 what the wood could be used for, and what the benefits are, just to show residents and people 37:04.760 --> 37:12.200 that use the park, you know, why we're doing some of this stuff. Because we not only will that 37:12.200 --> 37:17.080 park be used for mountain biking, but there will be used for hiking as well. 37:18.840 --> 37:21.960 I guess that's about it. I think Charles got a couple things. 37:22.840 --> 37:27.640 We had to share this last night at the public services committee meeting. I think they were 37:27.640 --> 37:31.560 generally supportive of it, right? We're just trying to make sure this information is shared. 37:31.560 --> 37:36.360 We will have Stacy share. We can share this slide on engaged to forest, 37:37.400 --> 37:41.320 point people to watch this video for other information on this, but we just want to make 37:41.320 --> 37:45.400 sure it's open transparent so people are familiar with it. This is coming at some point. 37:46.200 --> 37:52.840 I'm assuming, again, it's amenable to the board. And then we'll be beginning to plan to work 37:52.840 --> 37:58.680 through these things with RFPs forbidding for logging and then ultimately to the creation of 37:58.680 --> 38:04.920 that. So we might even start to walk with Corp through there and kind of plan a trail, right? 38:04.920 --> 38:09.400 Just planning stages, nothing being put in the ground or anything like that, just more marking 38:09.480 --> 38:14.200 the path by which we might want to do these things. So questions, concerns? 38:17.880 --> 38:23.000 Do the DNR say if this was eligible for like an MFL or is it too little acreage? 38:24.760 --> 38:31.080 They didn't really talk to them about them at all because that's typically a tax advantage 38:31.080 --> 38:36.760 for private landowners, but we could definitely ask them about that. 38:38.760 --> 38:48.760 Managed forest land? Yeah, oh, yeah. And then I'm guessing, excuse me, not much 38:48.760 --> 38:54.920 expected revenue then if you have it logged out. I don't, according to DNR, they didn't expect 38:54.920 --> 39:02.600 it to be high value logging. I mean, if we took the oaks, then we're talking a lot more money, 39:02.600 --> 39:08.360 but the red pine is not very valuable. We might even have a hard, really hard time 39:08.920 --> 39:15.240 finding a logger to come in and take it. We'll have to wait and see. 39:18.200 --> 39:18.600 Jim? 39:18.600 --> 39:26.360 I'd say I like the idea. I wish we could move even faster along with the planning and development 39:26.360 --> 39:32.120 of it. The one come that I have is you don't have to bring it up, but like when you're showing 39:32.120 --> 39:37.640 like the different rail layout, yeah, and I see that there was like one crossing of the wetlands, 39:37.640 --> 39:43.080 and I think you called it more or less like a boardwalk. And I just wonder to me, it could be 39:43.080 --> 39:48.840 an advantage even to the mountain bike group if we maybe have some plane crossings too, 39:48.840 --> 39:54.360 just for their skills in crossing the wetlands. Is that undiscussed or thought of? 39:55.080 --> 39:58.520 What kind of crossing, sorry? Sort of like a plane curve scene 39:59.320 --> 40:04.520 videos where they'll cross the wetlands and whatever two I ate. 40:04.600 --> 40:09.720 Oh, a plane. Yeah, I've seen that too. That could be a possibility. 40:14.040 --> 40:20.840 One thing that Corp will help us with is they've got people that will come out and 40:21.640 --> 40:25.320 look at the courses and they'll put on their website that 40:25.880 --> 40:31.880 paid the forest courses closed today and they'll let us know, hey, we need to close it because it's 40:31.880 --> 40:38.760 too wet. What you don't want is the mountain bikers go out there after it rains and they just 40:38.760 --> 40:46.200 make a mess and destroy the trails. So that's one good part about Corp as well as it'll help us 40:46.200 --> 40:54.600 maintain that course. Anyone else? Go ahead. I remember there's a project to do part of the 40:55.240 --> 41:02.600 river, the bedside that you're going to be. Registration. Registration, right? Is this area 41:02.600 --> 41:09.800 part of that at all or is it not affected? Yeah, there are phase three and four will probably be 41:10.680 --> 41:15.880 will be working from innovation south. I don't know exactly how far we'll get on 41:15.880 --> 41:20.440 those two phases, but we should be pretty close to those, you know, to that area. 41:20.440 --> 41:23.960 Make it work to match those two while they're reconstructing this. 41:26.840 --> 41:30.040 Either way, I'm really supportive of the project. Yeah, we could definitely look into them. 41:33.240 --> 41:35.800 Hey, if that's it, thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. 41:38.440 --> 41:41.880 Department updates, administrative update, Bill Chang. 41:44.120 --> 41:49.720 One update from me, I attended the Dane County Cities and Villages Association meeting. 41:50.040 --> 41:54.360 It was their annual meeting, which took place last Wednesday. 41:59.080 --> 42:07.560 There is a new leadership there, so long-term president Abbouffer stepped down, 42:08.280 --> 42:15.160 and so the new president of DCCVA is Lisa Haneer. She is the city of Middleton Mayor. 42:16.120 --> 42:20.680 Vice president is Tim Swali, who was the mayor of the city of Stolen. 42:22.280 --> 42:29.000 Secretary is Julia Arrada-Frada, who is the city of Fitchford Mayor, 42:29.960 --> 42:34.360 and then the treasurer is Aaron Hoppertheimer of the city of St. Perry, 42:35.080 --> 42:39.960 and then Abbouffer was the past president or at large member. 42:40.680 --> 42:48.040 So I wanted to just note that, otherwise, that meeting went wild. There was also a welcome 42:49.640 --> 42:56.600 speech from the mayor of Middleton, and there they had spoken about the importance of building 42:56.600 --> 43:02.520 up instead of sprawling out, which is in line with some of the 43:03.320 --> 43:07.960 framework from Carpsey and the Clean Lakes Alliance in regards to growth. 43:08.680 --> 43:16.440 Do you want to have any more discussion on growth, philosophy, and the framework from Carpsey? 43:16.440 --> 43:21.160 We couldn't provide that to you, but that was the majority of that meeting. 43:21.960 --> 43:25.000 Thank you, Bill. Finance update, Brandon. 43:25.000 --> 43:33.400 Yeah, so the village we were able to successfully file our form C through the Wisconsin DOR on time, 43:33.480 --> 43:38.440 so by doing that, we're not taking any penalties on our general transportation aid, which is a 43:38.440 --> 43:45.160 fantastic thing for us. We also had an exit call with our auditors who had said that it was a 43:45.160 --> 43:52.280 great audit year for the village team over here, and they're going to be looking at putting their 43:52.280 --> 43:56.120 financial or their audit presentation on the first July meeting. 43:56.120 --> 44:03.000 Okay, thank you. Police Department update, Chief Olson. 44:05.960 --> 44:11.000 Yep, anything, just a couple quick things. Obviously, we had a significant crash 44:12.280 --> 44:19.080 investigation in the construction on CV just late last week. You were actually between the 44:19.080 --> 44:24.760 old springs, different turn ins. I'm told that the victim of that crash is still recovering, 44:25.640 --> 44:29.320 which is a good thing, based on the injuries that were on the scene. We did have the state 44:29.320 --> 44:33.960 patrol coming in, reconstruct the crash, so they're still working through that process. That's still 44:33.960 --> 44:42.760 ongoing. And then last night, we responded to help the state patrol. Coincidentally, they had a 44:42.760 --> 44:49.000 crash into, I believe, into one of the troopers that led into a pursuit in a driver fled. Officer 44:49.000 --> 44:54.520 Crawford, using our drone, was able to locate the subject as he tried to evade everybody else 44:54.520 --> 45:01.240 stayed in the car, but the driver took off. Again, thanks to working together budgetarily, 45:01.240 --> 45:05.080 we have a drone that's a little bit more robust, and it has just phenomenal 45:07.160 --> 45:13.160 capabilities camera-wise, whether it be thermal or otherwise. So we were able to find the person. 45:13.160 --> 45:18.760 It has a spotlight that could light the guy up in the field. I'm told somebody's canine actually 45:18.760 --> 45:27.160 got a bite in this well. So good work by the team overnight. Thank you. I agree. Jim. 45:28.920 --> 45:36.040 Can I ask the victim of the crash? Is she out of critical condition, do you know? I believe so, 45:36.040 --> 45:46.040 yes. Thank you. And the trooper? I wasn't told of any issues that way. It's injury-wise. I'd 45:46.040 --> 45:54.120 have entered the property crash. Thanks, Chief. Public service update, Ted. Three things quick. 45:54.120 --> 46:00.920 Ager Parkway is continuing on on the reconstruction project. It's moving on at a pretty good pace. 46:01.720 --> 46:05.640 If you have residents reaching out asking questions, I encourage you, especially if they live in that 46:05.640 --> 46:12.280 zone, they can sign up for updates. We send them out regularly, at least weekly. Stacey does a 46:12.280 --> 46:16.040 great job. Great. That's a great job. Building updates and states are getting them out to folks, 46:16.040 --> 46:21.720 so I encourage folks to register for that. And they are item-by-item, right? So we're not spamming 46:21.720 --> 46:26.760 them with everything that's happening. It's they sign up for Ager Parkway. That's the notification 46:26.760 --> 46:34.280 they'll get. We recall we've had some issues in this room with the audio-visual and connectivity 46:34.280 --> 46:40.120 things. So I have put together an RFP. We'll be going out for bid for that. It wasn't a budget 46:40.120 --> 46:45.880 item this year. We didn't have dollars set aside in previous years for the upgrade of the 46:45.880 --> 46:50.680 other visual equipment in here. It's time for us to use that. So I think Brandon's probably 46:50.680 --> 46:56.280 been brought to speed by that with Carol, but so we'll be like looking for updates and quotes on 46:56.280 --> 47:02.760 that. So we're moving with that as well as this is the last year for our current garbage contract 47:02.760 --> 47:11.480 with LRS. Sorry, GFL. So we will be going out for an RFP for garbage services for another five-year 47:11.480 --> 47:18.360 term. Typically, they get us a better rate than we might have. What is if we extended the current 47:18.360 --> 47:24.360 contract? Nothing really wrong with GFL. I think they've done a better job than our previous one, 47:25.240 --> 47:28.920 but it also gives us the opportunity to see other additional things we can add in, 47:29.720 --> 47:34.200 change, and bring back before you like recycling every week, which is the thing that I've heard 47:34.200 --> 47:38.280 from a lot of folks. The cost is rather great, but at least we'll have that price so you guys can 47:38.280 --> 47:42.200 make the determination if that's something you want to add in next year, which you could then 47:42.200 --> 47:46.200 see line behind what we paid last year and what the cost will be for the new year. 47:47.720 --> 47:49.480 Great. Dan. 47:51.480 --> 47:56.440 We have our current garbage contractor for five years, or was that switched mid-term? 47:57.160 --> 48:01.960 Okay. The current one has been, this is the fifth of the five-year degree. 48:01.960 --> 48:02.600 That went fast. 48:06.200 --> 48:08.680 Thank you, Judd. Community Development Update, Alex. 48:09.240 --> 48:15.240 Just a quick one. As we mentioned before, tomorrow we will be officially accepting applications for 48:15.240 --> 48:20.360 the Home Reach Portable Housing Program, which has down payment assistance and home improvement 48:20.360 --> 48:25.960 loans. Our team has been working to get that out in the community, making that known to 48:25.960 --> 48:31.960 realtors, various associations, the school district, our local employers. We've already been 48:31.960 --> 48:36.680 getting a number of inquiries via email, phone calls, particularly from our school district, 48:36.680 --> 48:42.440 which is exciting to see as that was one of the main priorities. So, fully expecting to get an 48:42.440 --> 48:48.520 onslaught of applications in the next week or two. Thank you. Administrative Services Update, 48:48.520 --> 48:53.800 Kelly's not here. You got anything, Brandy? No. Okay. Recreation and Community Enrichment Update, 48:53.800 --> 49:01.320 Tricia. I'm excited to share that we have less than 50 tiles left for America 250 murals. 49:01.320 --> 49:06.920 So, we're moving along with that. Next week, we kick off our summer series with our first 49:06.920 --> 49:12.200 movie night in the bike rodeo with the police department. So, that'll be one of our first summer 49:12.200 --> 49:18.520 events. And tomorrow we have a touch-a-truck event with the library and public works. So, 49:18.520 --> 49:24.840 we'll have a right outside of here. And then we just wrapped up our soccer season. So, that was 49:24.840 --> 49:28.600 with, I don't know how many kiddos there were, but we had a bunch of kiddos that participated in 49:28.600 --> 49:35.240 soccer. And we've been busy out at the athletic complex already this season. So, it's a busy time 49:35.240 --> 49:41.880 for the park and rec department. Things are popping. Thanks. Any other business that 49:41.880 --> 49:45.400 lawfully comes before the committee for discussion only? Anybody have anything? 49:45.640 --> 49:50.200 If not, next item is adjournment. 49:51.640 --> 49:57.400 Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion by Alisha. Second by Jan. All those in favor say aye. 49:57.400 --> 50:05.160 Aye. All those opposed? No. We are adjourned at 552. We will resume for the Village Board meeting at 6. 51:46.360 --> 51:47.400 All those in favor say aye. 52:04.760 --> 52:12.360 Ready? Okay. We're good. Number four on the agenda is announcements. I don't have any announcements 52:12.360 --> 52:17.240 if anyone else does. Number five is the consent agenda. 52:18.440 --> 52:23.560 Approval of the minutes from the Village Board work session and Village Board meeting from May 52:23.560 --> 52:31.320 2nd. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Motion by Jim. Is there a second? 52:31.320 --> 52:37.640 Second. I heard Alisha first. Second by Alisha. Motion is for approval of the minutes from the 52:37.640 --> 52:44.600 two sessions on May 2nd. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. Motion 52:44.600 --> 52:52.840 carries unanimously. Also on the consent agenda, approval of resolution regarding approving an 52:52.840 --> 52:57.720 agreement for whether a family dental or a sponsorship. The Village of Deport is quick for 52:58.280 --> 53:01.560 doing something. You approve that as part of the consent agenda. You're good. 53:03.080 --> 53:12.600 Okay. Never mind. Public appearances. This will be public appearances for any topic that is not 53:13.160 --> 53:21.240 on the agenda for tonight. And I think I have Marjorie Haniman. 53:21.240 --> 53:25.800 Which is to speak. 53:30.280 --> 53:34.920 Hold the mic over there, Marjorie. Hit the button. Tell the little green circle on the bottom. Turn 53:34.920 --> 53:41.640 screen. You're good to go. Hi, my name is Marjorie Haniman. First time. So let me address please, 53:41.640 --> 53:48.840 Marjorie. I'm 13 Maple Street. And that's part of why I'm here is because I live on Maple Street. 53:49.800 --> 53:54.200 We were paid a visit by a lion energy yesterday. And the man at my door said, 53:55.240 --> 53:59.400 I'm sorry, but we're going to end up decimating your treat. Those were his words. 54:00.920 --> 54:08.440 And we had a few more conversations. And I found out that I could refuse, 54:09.640 --> 54:13.320 which is what I did at the time, as did a number of my neighbors. 54:13.320 --> 54:20.200 I actually thank you so much, Miss Little, for taking my phone call. And we had a conversation. 54:20.920 --> 54:29.400 And my purpose here tonight is to speak for the trees. So if you've read the Lorax, you know exactly 54:29.400 --> 54:41.320 what I'm talking about. I think it's time that we stop cutting down trees to make poles or lines 54:41.320 --> 54:48.440 that are easily buried. And I know after speaking to Mr. Blau, it's not as easy as saying easily 54:48.440 --> 54:56.200 buried because there's a lot of working parts. But I guess I'm here to say our neighbors want to 54:57.640 --> 55:02.920 have a conversation and start a conversation to burying lines in some of these older sections 55:02.920 --> 55:10.760 of town. It's better for the environment. It's better for our trees because we can replant 55:11.880 --> 55:17.560 and we don't lose the existing old trees and anyone that lives in that area around South 55:17.560 --> 55:26.200 Street and up the hill that got decimated with that storm knows how many old trees were lost. 55:27.720 --> 55:34.200 I would hate to see mine have a 90 degree chunk taken out of it, especially when 55:35.160 --> 55:41.960 maples should never be trimmed unless it's before they bud or after the first frost. 55:43.000 --> 55:48.440 And the fact that a lion energy seems to not care about that really bothers me. 55:49.560 --> 55:53.480 So we want to set up a discussion. I did ask today because there was a second 55:53.480 --> 56:00.600 a lion person in the neighborhood to speak with an engineer and to see why couldn't they just take 56:00.680 --> 56:08.840 a foot off above and below the line, not 10 feet. They're doing it so they don't have to come back 56:08.840 --> 56:20.760 for 10 years. It's from my understanding. But so I guess I'm willing to help write grants done 56:20.760 --> 56:27.960 it in the past. If people give me some direction and some committee information and working with 56:27.960 --> 56:35.400 the lion and working with spectrum or who else needs to come in to hopefully find a way to bury 56:35.400 --> 56:42.840 our lions. The other thing is there are phone lines that are still attached to our homes that 56:42.840 --> 56:50.200 are drawing power and it's on our power bill and we don't have landlines anymore who removes those. 56:51.960 --> 56:56.600 So that's a problem too because those are the lowest hanging ones. So when we have 56:57.000 --> 57:02.360 your time is done, I apologize. Oh, no problem. Okay. So thank you. We're going to have a meeting 57:02.360 --> 57:06.360 and we'll be talking to Pauline and hoping you guys will come and listen to us and the 57:06.360 --> 57:11.800 neighbors when we set it up. Thank you, Marjorie. Do I turn this off? Either way. 57:17.880 --> 57:22.760 Okay. We have no one else wishing to speak on this topic not on the agenda. 57:27.400 --> 57:37.720 Presentation. We have none. All business resolution 2026. 057. Resolution 57:37.720 --> 57:44.360 directing the director of public services to resume fluoridation of the village's public water system. 57:47.480 --> 57:48.360 Do we have a motion? 57:49.000 --> 57:58.680 Presentation first and then public comments on this agenda item and then discussion and 57:58.680 --> 58:05.080 actually got myself out of order again. Staff presentation by Mr. Chang. 58:07.080 --> 58:12.680 Well, actually, it would be Judd and then we have their biker here to provide 58:13.640 --> 58:15.400 the presentation on their findings. 58:16.760 --> 58:22.440 Deere, go ahead. So we work with our biker, their engineer for a lot of our projects. 58:23.160 --> 58:27.640 I reached out to the biker and asked them, they've got an architect on staff that we've been working 58:27.640 --> 58:35.640 with for probably a couple to three months. When this topic first came back up, Darren, 58:35.640 --> 58:39.480 we worked with quite a bit. You remember, Darren was at our meeting at the high school where we 58:39.560 --> 58:49.240 presented our water supply service area plan. He had put that together, worked diligently to 58:49.240 --> 58:54.280 generate that. So we asked him to help us put together what would be needed if we were to add 58:54.280 --> 58:58.760 fluoride back into the system. So I've got Darren here. His memo was shared with you all, but I'll 58:58.760 --> 59:07.000 let Darren take it from here. Okay. Thanks, Judd. I'll briefly go through the memo. 59:07.400 --> 59:14.440 And so we were asked by Judd to prepare a memo that looked out what would be needed to reinstate 59:15.160 --> 59:21.080 fluoride at your wild facilities. And so our memo, the first section looks at the required 59:21.080 --> 59:25.880 equipment and any improvements that would be needed to make that happen. And we just went 59:25.880 --> 59:31.880 facility by facility here. So the first one is well number two. In that facility, fluoride was 59:31.960 --> 59:39.720 previously added, but there currently is no equipment there that was removed once when fluoride had 59:39.720 --> 59:48.840 been stopped being added. The well house there is one room where all the pumping equipment is in 59:48.840 --> 59:57.320 the fluoride equipment was in that room previously. The current admin code, if you were to fill the 59:57.320 --> 01:00:05.800 new pump house, would require that the fluoride be in its separate room. So, but according to 01:00:06.680 --> 01:00:12.600 correspondence with Amy Cooley at the DNR, they wouldn't require separate room for chemical 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:18.680 or for fluoride equipment at well number two or any other well-facilitated had previously 01:00:18.680 --> 01:00:26.680 had fluoride being added. But I noted in the memo that fluoride vapor is highly corrosive. 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:32.120 And it can etch glass and other surfaces and probe metal components of the mechanical electrical 01:00:32.120 --> 01:00:37.960 and plumbing systems within the building. So that being a single room pump house, if you would put 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:45.560 the fluoride in there, there's it can lead to premature equipment failure due to the 01:00:45.560 --> 01:00:51.880 the corrosiveness of the of the vapor from the fluoride. And we've seen this happening out of 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:58.760 well facilities where they've had just one room where the tiles and windows will 01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.240 the glass and those will be etched over, we clouded over. 01:01:03.560 --> 01:01:08.680 So our recommendations that if fluoride is added back at this facility, we would recommend 01:01:08.680 --> 01:01:14.520 constructing a separate room for the fluoride to be housed and it would have a separate entrance, 01:01:14.520 --> 01:01:19.160 separate ventilation system, separate lighting system so that there's no chance that the 01:01:19.160 --> 01:01:25.080 vapors could go from that room into the pump room where the expensive pumping and control 01:01:25.080 --> 01:01:35.560 equipment is. So in addition to that recommendation, when we were looking at that facility, we did 01:01:35.560 --> 01:01:41.240 note that there were some deficiencies, some things that needed to be repaired to the age. 01:01:42.040 --> 01:01:54.520 And things that the ceiling was starting to to sag, the roof probably needs to be replaced. 01:01:55.560 --> 01:02:01.880 And there were other items that were need and repair of that. So our the cost opinion that's in 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:08.040 the memo also includes a line item for those repairs as well. And that is separated out from 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:10.760 what cost we needed just to have the fluoride equipment. 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:19.320 So that's well number two. And then well number three, that was previously. 01:02:21.560 --> 01:02:29.000 Fluoride was previously added at that house as well. And the storage tank and the feed equipment 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:34.760 are no longer there at that facility either. This well house does include a separate room to house 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:40.360 the fluoride and the chemical feed equipment. So that feed equipment could be re-installed 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:46.760 in that room. There is an existing eyewash station. So because of the nature of fluoride, 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:52.920 it's corrosive chemical. And there was an eyewash station in that facility, but not a 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:59.240 drenched shower. And Wisconsin admin code chapter in our 811 01:03:01.240 --> 01:03:08.120 requires that whenever you have a corrosive chemical, your employees could be exposed to 01:03:08.120 --> 01:03:15.800 corrosive chemical that you provide eyewash and drenched shower methods for their safety. 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:23.560 This is stated in our 81142C1. And then also that actually points to 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:32.760 SPS building code, which then refers to OSHA. So it's ultimately coming from OSHA. So it's 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:41.320 an occupational federal standard. And then for those units that eyewash and drenched shower, 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.840 the water should be tepid, meaning it should be between 1600 degrees 01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:54.520 per an ANSI standard. And that's so that if you have cold water on you, you're not likely to 01:03:54.520 --> 01:03:59.560 stand in the shower or wash your eyes for a long enough period to remove that chemical. 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:08.120 So for this facility, then we recommend that an emergency eyewash and drenched shower installed 01:04:08.120 --> 01:04:13.320 in addition to reinstating the chemical feed equipment. And then we have a cost opinion 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:19.720 for that at the end of the report as well. Well, number four is similar to well, number three, 01:04:19.720 --> 01:04:24.760 and that there was a room there. And it previously fed fluoride at that facility. 01:04:25.720 --> 01:04:33.960 So the equipment could be reinstalled. And again, there was not previously an eyewash 01:04:34.040 --> 01:04:39.880 and drenched shower station. So we recommend that for OSHA requirements that you would 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.640 add the eyewash station to drenched shower and a hot water heater. 01:04:45.640 --> 01:04:49.720 And then at well, number six, fluoride has never been added at that facility. 01:04:50.680 --> 01:04:57.800 So in accordance with the current DNR administrative code, the fluoride tank and equipment required 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:02.840 for that, including a drenched shower and eyewash station would need to be put into a separate 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:12.680 chemical room. There's a space available in the existing meter room. And then also there is a 01:05:12.680 --> 01:05:18.600 restroom that's adjacent to the existing chemical room. And because of the proximity of the restroom 01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:29.480 to the chemical room, it would make it a better option to install the feed equipment in that 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:37.160 restroom after renovating that into a new fluoride room. And then framing out in the corner of the 01:05:37.160 --> 01:05:46.840 meter room, a new restroom facility. And there's a cost of opinion for that at the back of the 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:57.560 proposal memo as well. So regulatory approvals would be needed for this or the DNR. 01:05:57.720 --> 01:06:04.760 At the facilities, two, three, and four where you had fluoride added before, 01:06:06.040 --> 01:06:11.720 they would still require you to submit plans that show the extent of the 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:19.320 heat equipment. And then they would need to prove that. If you were to add the 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:26.120 chemical feed room to well number two and well number six, make the renovations there, 01:06:26.120 --> 01:06:32.520 those plans as well would have to go to the DNR approval. There was a question from staff about 01:06:32.520 --> 01:06:38.280 if these buildings needed to go to the state, Department of Safety and Information Services 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:47.640 for building plan approval. And we looked into that and basically the volume of these buildings 01:06:47.640 --> 01:06:54.520 is, these are not public buildings there. And the volume is less than 25,000 square feet. 01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:04.120 So they don't need to go to the state for plan review. And there's citations in the memo there 01:07:04.120 --> 01:07:09.560 that explains, explains that. And then the last part of the memo is the schedule. 01:07:11.560 --> 01:07:17.560 And I guess that's that's outlined there. I guess one caveat I would say that 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:25.960 with the schedule that, unfortunately, well number three there, at the time I didn't catch 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:30.840 this revision that was needed. But the schedule for well number three should match that a well number 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:37.800 four. At first, we didn't realize that well number three did not have eye wash and dress shower in it. 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:42.360 So the schedule for well three should match well number four. 01:07:48.520 --> 01:07:54.840 I think that's all that you mentioned at this point without getting too much into the details 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:59.800 or the weeds. If you have any questions, I can certainly answer those. 01:08:01.640 --> 01:08:02.120 Melanie. 01:08:05.080 --> 01:08:09.960 I think I heard you say this, but just to make sure I'm understanding correctly for well number two, 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:17.000 those additional repairs that you identified, like the ceiling and the roof. 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:22.120 And I think there are some electrical items identified. Is that line item number four alterations 01:08:22.120 --> 01:08:28.680 to existing building just to get an understanding of the cost of those separate items, about 67,800 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.840 number? Okay. Thank you. 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:35.400 Alicia. 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:46.440 Looking at the cost for well number two, are the costs for, can they be separated from the 01:08:46.440 --> 01:08:56.600 maintenance cost, like the roof versus, like, is that necessary to flow forward the maintenance? 01:08:57.400 --> 01:09:02.440 It is not. So yeah, so line item number four under the cost opinion for well number two 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:07.640 is alterations to the existing building. And that is alterations that 01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:16.600 most fire maintenance repairs that we're recommending in addition. So line items one through three 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:22.040 would be ones that you would need or just adding the floor back to that facility. 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:31.240 Right. And so if we decided to move forward with that, I guess I was just asking is line item four, 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:36.600 could that be put out another time, like moving or doing the roof on the building, 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.280 or that's not necessary to reflect floor eight, right? 01:09:40.280 --> 01:09:41.240 Correct. Okay. 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:51.320 I guess I should clarify, there is a couple items, or one item. 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:58.440 That would carry over from line number four into 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:07.560 the floor at feet equipment number two would be a new water heater or the fluoride room. 01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:13.960 Or if you don't do the separate fluoride room, you need to put it in the pump house. 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:20.280 But that's about 3,500 dollars to add the new water heater in the I wash drenched shower. 01:10:20.280 --> 01:10:23.480 And that would, and I'm sorry, I need to clarify to what I previously said, 01:10:24.200 --> 01:10:27.080 not items one is the fluoride room addition. 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:35.240 So item number two in three would be the line items that you would need just to add the fluoride 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:41.160 and then add to that the 3,500 for the water heater in the I wash station. 01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:44.040 Sorry, misspoke earlier about that. 01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:47.080 Thank you. And I have can I ask a follow-up question? 01:10:51.240 --> 01:10:55.880 The adding of the additional room, is there other options 01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:01.080 to satisfy the requirements of safety? 01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:07.960 Like could we put vents in there, or are there any other options that could have been explored? 01:11:12.200 --> 01:11:15.320 I mean, the tank, if you put it into the main pump room, 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:21.800 it should be vented. No matter where that fluoride tank ends up, it should be vented to the outside. 01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:27.640 That's a, you know, our requirement and something we recommend too, to keep any off-gassing 01:11:28.280 --> 01:11:33.000 from out of that room. But, you know, these systems aren't 100% completely sealed. 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.280 So there is chances of off-gassing happening. 01:11:36.280 --> 01:11:43.080 And then when you open the tank and to replenish the fluoride, that's when vapors are most likely 01:11:43.080 --> 01:11:46.120 to escape from the tank and from the filling up the tank. 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:54.440 So there really isn't another good option other than putting it in a separate room by itself 01:11:55.400 --> 01:12:00.440 to totally mitigate any vaporscape from the fluoride tank. 01:12:00.440 --> 01:12:05.160 Okay. So it's not like we could have put vents in there or anything else. 01:12:06.120 --> 01:12:09.240 You could, but the vapor is still going to be... 01:12:09.240 --> 01:12:13.800 Or fans or anything. No other things to mitigate as risk will. 01:12:15.240 --> 01:12:17.240 Okay. That's... 01:12:19.240 --> 01:12:21.240 All right. 01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:26.840 Forgive me, I have quite a few. I'll just keep going on that. We 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:32.120 had fluoride in that building before that pump or that well. 01:12:32.200 --> 01:12:37.400 Well, and didn't have that separate room or almost had vents. 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:42.760 So is this a needed requirement or is just best practice? 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:48.840 It would be our recommendation at this point. It may be in a best practice. 01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:57.720 The DNR has, through correspondence with Amy Cooley, has said that the DNR would not require 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.080 another separate room for that adding that feed equipment in. 01:13:03.240 --> 01:13:04.760 And then along with that would be... 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:11.480 With the staff requests to take a look at other things in there that might need to be improved. 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:16.840 If electrical system is replaced, if there's improvements made in there, 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:25.160 and then put the fluoride in there that would etch and corrode all those new equipment in there. 01:13:25.160 --> 01:13:29.480 It just... it didn't seem like it would be remiss of us not to recommend putting that 01:13:29.480 --> 01:13:35.240 fluoride in a separate room. And then the same thing with the shower trench. Is that a requirement 01:13:35.240 --> 01:13:43.080 or since it was existing before all you need is eyewash? That's an OSHA regulation that you 01:13:43.080 --> 01:13:52.760 need to provide a method for eyewash and drench shower whenever employees are exposed to corrosive 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:57.000 chemicals. So previously they were just grandfathered in and didn't need to provide that? 01:13:58.280 --> 01:14:06.760 Correct. And then the water heater again, that's a necessity. That's a requirement since it wasn't 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:11.400 there before. As if you need to provide tepid water to the eyewash trench shower. 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:17.320 And then what... you mentioned that the storage tanks were removed. What timeline was that? 01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:24.840 I would have to have a judge answer that. So when the board authorized the discontinuation of 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:30.920 adding forward to the water, we removed those components. At the time when this was brought 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:38.280 forward, those pumps were failing. And during the debate time that we had, the three, four months, 01:14:38.280 --> 01:14:43.960 one of the pumps actually did fail in that time frame. So there were two other pumps that were still 01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:50.520 working, but barely. So when we discontinued it, those pumps were at or near the end of life, 01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:57.080 so we just discarded them appropriately, as well as the containment systems that held 01:14:57.080 --> 01:15:01.560 before it, the tanks that held before it, we got rid of those as well. So was it early last year then? 01:15:04.120 --> 01:15:10.920 Yes, that seems right to me. And then the roof replacement, I understand you took 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.560 actual look, but if this would have to be done with a well, that wouldn't that be planned work 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:16.760 that's already in progress? 01:15:20.040 --> 01:15:25.160 When we had this discussion, when Florid was discussed to be brought back, that's when we had 01:15:25.160 --> 01:15:30.040 Verebecher and the architect, Marty, from Verebecher come and say, what do we need to do to these 01:15:30.040 --> 01:15:35.720 wellhouses and share with us all that information, just so we knew, because if we're going to do a 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:39.880 bit and do a project at that wellhouse, it makes the most sense just to do it all at one time. 01:15:40.440 --> 01:15:45.560 It's not to drive the cost up. These are the maintenance things that we would have 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.640 discovered at some other point in time and brought forward, but if this is the time that you want 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:54.520 to add Florid back in, we might suggest we do this at the same time. So it's one project, 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.880 one bid out to somebody to handle that at this time. 01:15:59.240 --> 01:16:03.320 And if we didn't replace the roof right now, was the timeline where that would be a necessity? 01:16:03.320 --> 01:16:13.240 I don't, I don't, I don't think roofs fail when they fail, like I don't know the, I don't 01:16:13.240 --> 01:16:19.000 can't give you, it's going to happen in three years or two years, right? Their, their assessment 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:26.600 is that the roof should be replaced, so that's when we will do that. Okay. Question about the 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:31.880 supervisory controls. Was that previous, what was previously discussed as needing replacement as 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:40.360 a pumps or what exactly is that? So that's equipment then that monitors the tank levels 01:16:41.240 --> 01:16:46.120 and then alerts staff, if those levels get too low, or if there's a malfunction with equipment. 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:55.720 So that was taken out of your control system when Florid was stopped being added. So now 01:16:56.360 --> 01:17:03.160 with the new equipment being added back, that has to be reprogrammed and, and, and add it back in. 01:17:04.440 --> 01:17:08.360 So there's some hardware and then there's some software reprogramming that your skater provider 01:17:08.360 --> 01:17:15.160 needs to provide. And then last question, I have a curious on the timeline. 01:17:15.160 --> 01:17:19.640 Wouldn't all of these improvements be done at the same time, building construction, 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:24.920 room additions and that four months for one and then four months for the next construction 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:29.480 part, right? They could, could it occur concurrently? Thank you. 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:33.880 Yeah. 01:17:37.160 --> 01:17:43.160 So I'd say thank you for the detailed explanation of well two and Alicia for bringing that up. 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:47.400 So I guess when I originally looked at this, I thought they were all, 01:17:48.360 --> 01:17:56.520 all due to say Florid. So I wonder if we could look at the other ones and maybe have a bit of the same 01:17:57.400 --> 01:18:05.160 discussion because I can tell you at least with the well two, when you take out what you said was 01:18:05.160 --> 01:18:17.240 like the 53,600, the 5,900, 5,300. Then I think you said 3500 of the number four is all due 01:18:17.400 --> 01:18:24.600 to the Florid edition. Then if you add in the consistent, their contingency in engineering, 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:36.600 you're at about 90,000 rather than this 173,000. And I guess what I want to do is I like to get 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:42.520 some round numbers of what really is say the the Florid edition with the other wells. 01:18:43.480 --> 01:18:50.200 And then my continuing question, why I originally raised my hand, is I think these are the four 01:18:50.200 --> 01:18:56.440 wells that are existing. Is that correct? And we're talking about building another well soon. 01:18:57.160 --> 01:19:03.880 So I'm quite, I would like the answer of how much it would be to add Florid approximately to a 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:11.320 future well. So if you look at the estimate for well number four, can you move closer to the mic, 01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:17.800 if you if you look at the estimate for well number four, those three line items, adding the 01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:22.440 Florid feed equipment, the eye wash and drench shower and water heater, and then the SCADA system 01:19:22.440 --> 01:19:29.800 updates, if you chose not to add the extra room to well number two to house the Florid, 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.800 and if you chose not to make the improvements with repairs that we're recommending, 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:38.680 this would be the cost that would be needed for well number two to add the Florid. 01:19:41.320 --> 01:19:50.680 Hey, can you bring up the other two wells? Is it the same thing? 01:19:54.200 --> 01:19:59.720 Three and four would be the same. Number six is different because that 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:08.280 that facility you didn't add Florid for. So the the the DNR is not willing to accept 01:20:09.080 --> 01:20:17.480 the plan of just putting Florid into the chemical room there. They would require that a separate 01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:27.080 Florid feed room be constructed at that facility. So that cost opinion for number six, 01:20:27.080 --> 01:20:31.720 as it is presented with those four items would be the cost that you need to 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:39.480 add Florid at that well facility. Okay, and then I guess the final question and 01:20:39.480 --> 01:20:44.280 the future well, would that be somewhat similar to well number six then? 01:20:48.280 --> 01:20:49.880 That's I mean you would 01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:58.760 that's a little more difficult to ask me off the fly for well number six. 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:06.120 You know, we're doing some alterations to an existing room where a new facility we would 01:21:06.120 --> 01:21:14.920 build that right away purposed for the Florid room. So there would probably be less the the 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:21.080 Florid related construction and equipment would be the same, but the construction would probably 01:21:21.080 --> 01:21:24.040 be less than what would be incurred for well number six. 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:32.520 That's all I had to know. Okay, thanks, Jim. I have a couple of things. 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.200 Skata, is that how you say it? Skata system? Skata system. 01:21:39.320 --> 01:21:48.600 Previously used, this is an update on the Skata system. So we had one, but it was 01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:55.640 this both of? No, so you have a Skata system right now. So that's supervising control and data 01:21:55.640 --> 01:22:06.040 acquisition with Skata stands for. You had the that had each well facility that fed Florid before 01:22:07.400 --> 01:22:16.040 you had it monitoring the Florid feed equipment. So there's equipment that monitors the level in 01:22:16.040 --> 01:22:25.080 the tank and that there's a small computer there that then transmits that information 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:33.800 to the master control. So that the hardware that was monitoring the tank levels 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:41.240 needs to be reinstated or purchased and put back in wiring connections need to be made 01:22:41.240 --> 01:22:47.560 and then there's reprogramming that your Skata provider needs to do to add monitoring those 01:22:48.360 --> 01:22:50.920 Florid from those facilities back into the system. 01:22:54.040 --> 01:22:56.840 So is that system still there, but it's missing part of it? 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:05.960 At the mass? At the current corridor. Yeah, so you're monitoring the chlorine that's being fed 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:11.080 right now that's being monitored and the well pump operation is being monitored and the elevated 01:23:11.080 --> 01:23:15.960 tank levels are being monitored. So everything's being monitored still? Still, right. It's just 01:23:16.040 --> 01:23:20.760 the Florid was taken away. Yeah, what does that entail to take that away? 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:28.280 To take it away? Yeah, it's just the physical removal of the equipment. I think at that time 01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:32.840 with scales that we're monitoring the level in the tank. Is that functional equipment? 01:23:34.120 --> 01:23:40.680 I'm sorry. Is it functional equipment? I presume so. Yeah. And where did it go? 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:50.120 Three wells that had monitoring equipment, right? So the wells had 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:57.480 two by two scales for different type of tanks when we had been switching all the chlorine 01:23:58.040 --> 01:24:05.960 tanks to center scales that are inside the tanks. So now the it's a completely different 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:15.800 way of wane calculating the use of the chlorine or fluoride. The sensors are in the tank and 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:21.640 that's how it reads. So it's completely different. Or the old system, the tank set on the scale on 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:27.720 the floor. Okay, so we're talking about updating the tank that's set on the floor system, 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:31.560 the scale that's set on the floor system to something just sophisticated. Yeah. 01:24:32.360 --> 01:24:40.840 So we didn't take any parts out and just do away with them. No. Okay. But apparently we did with 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:47.960 the fluoride equipment that was there. Pumps and whatnot because it was all dying? 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:51.240 Pumps are failing. 01:24:51.240 --> 01:25:03.560 So they were everything was failing in all of the wells. 01:25:06.200 --> 01:25:11.800 That's why I brought it forth in the beginning was because the pumps were failing. So did we 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:15.240 want to spend the money to replace those pumps, which would have been upgrades and different 01:25:15.240 --> 01:25:21.640 things. So, I mean, we didn't they weren't you the board voted to discontinue using fluoride. 01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.000 Those were antiquated systems as it was. So we got rid of those things. 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:34.760 They just we disposed of them properly. I don't know, but maybe you and our vendor might have 01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:41.000 taken them to get rid of them would have been the scales one on surplus and we're sold. 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:47.880 Would we offer them? Not much. They're old. Nobody really uses them. 01:25:49.160 --> 01:25:56.600 We bought them. Some people buy everything. We had that deep build desk up here. That sold on surplus. 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.800 I'm sorry, guys. I'm going to interrupt you. 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:09.400 All of these are sounds to me like well, too is kind of falling down. It's got roof problems, 01:26:09.480 --> 01:26:14.200 it's got ceiling problems, it's got all kinds of problems. That was just noticed. 01:26:15.480 --> 01:26:20.840 Why isn't it in the capital? So is it in the capital improvement plan? I don't think it should. 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:27.080 The thing that we were looking at really for well, too, is if we were going to add that 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:36.360 extra room, we have to put we have to add a new rough right to that. And that's going to continue 01:26:36.360 --> 01:26:43.240 on the roof. So you might as well replace the rough to go over that new rough. So it's all 01:26:43.240 --> 01:26:52.280 the same age. And we know that rough is really old. It's an old rubber rough. And I would say 01:26:53.480 --> 01:26:59.160 five to seven years, we'd be probably looking at a new rough. But if you're adding a new room that 01:26:59.160 --> 01:27:07.320 needs a new rough over the top of that, you might as well just replace it the whole rough on the 01:27:07.320 --> 01:27:19.640 building. That was my thought. Okay. Alicia? I think really just a point of clarification to 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:25.320 kind of what Jedd alluded to is the board had previously voted to remove fluoride in lieu of 01:27:26.040 --> 01:27:31.240 basically we would have had this conversation anyway if we would have kept fluoride in because 01:27:31.240 --> 01:27:37.160 of all of the repairs that needed. So these costs would have had need to be 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:44.200 basically needed to bring us up to par with our system, right? 01:27:47.480 --> 01:27:53.560 Most of it? Yeah. I mean, at that point, the DNR said we didn't, you know, we had fluoride and 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:57.080 chlorine in the same room, right? So we would have, I don't know if we would have brought 01:27:57.080 --> 01:28:02.840 the subject of putting in a separate room at that point or not. But yeah, otherwise, and at some 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:08.200 point, while six, the DNR should have caught that they didn't. It should have had fluoride. 01:28:08.200 --> 01:28:12.760 The second it became part of the villages water system when we took it over from Burke, 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:20.200 or especially when we interconnected the two. But that was overlooked by the DNR at that point. 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:28.280 One more question. And really, too, so where to, I think it's the most important that we have 01:28:28.280 --> 01:28:32.520 like all the safety standards for handling with the eyewash station. And then of course, we need 01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:38.920 the water heater. So it's type of, but where did, why did we have that lack in our standards being 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:44.840 not, not up being a standard? I guess I'm saying like, shouldn't someone have been checking that? 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:51.880 Or is this kind of like, we kind of open the door to look at it. And so then we need to make 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:57.480 sure everything's up into standard for OSHA. Sure. Probably a little both, right? So it was, 01:28:57.480 --> 01:29:06.200 we had eyewash stations in most locations. You know, I, as when the door opens, then we start to look 01:29:06.200 --> 01:29:11.720 at what else is, what's there, what should we have, you know, that to meet the today's standards? 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:21.000 I just also want to add, you know, as we're looking at well to the electrical portion of that, if, 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:29.240 if that addition were to be added, that's where the electrical portion came in, is that box is 01:29:29.240 --> 01:29:37.800 actually fused boxes, not the normal standard fuses boxes that you see in your homes, breaker boxes. 01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:45.560 These are actually bound views. Yes, it's kind of always been there. It's always worked for what 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:53.560 we have there. But if we were to add that extra addition, that's where we would want to come up to 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:59.560 bring things up to code. Brad? 01:30:00.120 --> 01:30:08.360 So I get we did an in-depth dive here of what was exactly needed. What's the difference between 01:30:08.360 --> 01:30:16.280 the March 17th meeting? We had a 205 to $245,000 estimate to do all this work, and now it's 01:30:16.280 --> 01:30:24.200 $100,000 more. What changed in that time frame? Well, certainly once we brought 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:29.000 them in, and they did actual analyzation, right? So 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:39.080 when did you guys come and tour that with us? Is that in March time frame? January, right? So 01:30:39.080 --> 01:30:47.320 they had not done any, they were still working on it. So just architects, architectural firms are 01:30:47.320 --> 01:30:52.600 backlogged. There's a short supply of architects. So if there's students listening, maybe I'll get 01:30:52.680 --> 01:31:00.280 architecture. But anyways, so it's no different with beer Becker and their architect. He's backlog 01:31:00.280 --> 01:31:06.280 right? So we brought him in. They did the stuff, but it took them. They started working on it, 01:31:06.280 --> 01:31:12.520 then this got paused, then it restarted again. So I asked them to expedite that. So we get actual 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:19.560 opinions of probable costs, not back of a napkin kind of costs, right? So when they were in, 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:23.960 they looked at it, and then that's when the ceiling and other things that are not directly 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:28.120 attributable to fluoride, but it's something that we should consider doing if we're going to be making 01:31:28.120 --> 01:31:35.560 these improvements. I'll just add, when we invited that first cost, that's from a contractor, 01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:41.800 kind of looking at the building on Mall 2, just saying these are rough estimates, you know, 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:50.520 that we think that it would cost between Mall 6 and Mall 2. So when you look at these costs, 01:31:51.400 --> 01:32:01.080 you got engineering and contingency costs just for well 6, that's $23,000, and then you go to well 01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:09.720 2, 3, and 4. I mean, that's almost $100,000 right there. I'm looking at it, but it all adds up. 01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:23.640 Just have one thing. So I think I read that the DNR confirmed that we can legally place 01:32:23.640 --> 01:32:30.680 for our back in all the wells. We don't have to do well 6 to get everything started, right? 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:37.880 So in essence, we could defer that $100,000 cost and start re-fluorinating immediately, 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:44.200 like we wouldn't need to do well 6. You have to do well 6 at some point. The DNR said 01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:51.560 they've granted an exception, I guess, that we could begin to fluoridate as the wells are 01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:57.320 made available to have fluoride added in, right? So the quickest wells to have fluoride added back 01:32:57.400 --> 01:33:04.440 in would be 3 and 4. To as well, if you are saying you don't want to add a separate containment 01:33:04.440 --> 01:33:11.080 room, right? We can certainly upgrade well to put the fluoride back in right next to the chlorine, 01:33:12.200 --> 01:33:16.680 and then we'd have to add vents because there were not vents previously. So the DNR has 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:21.240 said you would need to make sure that room is properly vented. So there would be a varying cost 01:33:21.240 --> 01:33:27.880 to that. It doesn't make, just in my opinion, you can take it for what it's worth. It doesn't 01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:32.840 make sense to put it in if you want us to do a separation room, like either we put it back in 01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.840 exactly how it was and they're right next to each other, or we do a separation room and not 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:40.760 put them in and then move it to a separation room, we just be incurring additional costs. 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:48.440 So that's your choice to give us that direction. So there was a timeline. Was that when I get to 01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:59.000 that on here? So the timelines would be six to eight months for wells 3 and 4 to do that, right? 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:08.680 So there's these things that take two months. The DNR review can take up to 90 days. It probably 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:14.200 won't take 90 days in talking with the DNR, but that's their standard is they have to have a review 01:34:14.200 --> 01:34:19.720 done within 90 days. So that's why we put that in there. Then there's going over bid. 01:34:21.080 --> 01:34:25.240 In contract award takes four weeks and that construction could take two months. So that's 01:34:25.240 --> 01:34:31.320 where it's a six to eight month range before that's in. You have a little bit more in depth. 01:34:31.320 --> 01:34:39.720 Things happening at wells two and six. So that would take a longer time frame from 10 to 14 months. 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:48.600 But the DNR has said we could start to Florida and we would be under the amount, right? So the 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:58.920 0.7 parts per million is where they measure us at. I don't know they would be there when we'd 01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:02.440 send in our samples, but they would know that they're below that deviation. 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:07.800 They're acceptable of that, right? 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:13.560 That's what they confirm to us in in email correspondences. 01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:21.320 Okay, if that's it for everybody up here, I guess we'll move on to public appearances 01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:29.720 on this particular topic. So we have pre-registered Ed Morgan Roth Jr. 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:35.720 I'd like to come up to the mic. Oh, Mr. Stork is speaking for Mr. Morgan Roth. 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:41.000 You please identify yourself in the municipality. 01:35:43.320 --> 01:35:48.280 I'm Mark Stork. I live in DeForest as does Ed Morgan Roth. 01:35:49.480 --> 01:35:54.760 Ed's statement is my name is Ed Morgan Roth Jr. And I am a DeForest Village resident. 01:35:55.400 --> 01:36:00.200 I did not support the removal of fluoride and I am asking the village to begin fluoridation 01:36:00.200 --> 01:36:06.120 of the entire village's water supply as soon as possible. Fluoridation of the municipal water 01:36:06.120 --> 01:36:11.480 systems has been widespread across virtually the entire country, including Wisconsin since 01:36:11.480 --> 01:36:19.000 the 1960s and 70s. The scientific evidence around fluoridation is very clear. It reduces cavities 01:36:19.080 --> 01:36:25.720 thereby improving dental and overall health in a safe manner. My understanding is that there are 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:32.040 no zero credible scientific studies to date using the recommended fluoridation level of 01:36:32.040 --> 01:36:39.240 0.7 milligrams per liter that show any harm or negative health impacts of fluoridation. 01:36:39.240 --> 01:36:45.400 And I am not aware of any studies indicating adverse health impacts at the recommended level 01:36:45.400 --> 01:36:51.240 being cited by the anti fluoride activists. As further support, the following highly respected 01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:57.560 U.S. and Wisconsin health organizations continue to support the fluoridation of the municipal water 01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:03.960 drinking systems at the recommended 0.7 milligrams per liter level. The U.S. Center for Disease 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:09.800 Control and Prevention, American Dental Association, Wisconsin Department of Health Services, 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:14.760 American Academy of Pediatrics, American Dental Hygienist Association. 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:20.200 For all the above reasons, I urge the board to vote tonight to implement fluoridation water 01:37:20.200 --> 01:37:26.200 treatment for the entire village at the recommended level and to direct the staff to begin a phased 01:37:26.200 --> 01:37:32.360 implementation immediately. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. I'm sorry, folks. I keep forgetting 01:37:32.360 --> 01:37:40.280 to say that there is a three-minute limit on speaking. I have a question. Go ahead. 01:37:41.080 --> 01:37:46.440 I wish Mr. Morgan Roth was here because I'd like to ask him this question, and Mark, you 01:37:46.440 --> 01:37:51.880 probably won't be able to answer this question. But since I could say Ed, if I were, you know, 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:58.760 had gone to a hotel express or something, but I'll see what I can do. Okay, so I'm going to ask 01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:05.240 it because it's his statement, and I appreciate his statement. But my question is, and what I'm 01:38:05.320 --> 01:38:13.400 curious about is that Mr. Morgan Roth wrote to the village board an email dated May 13th 01:38:14.120 --> 01:38:23.240 and requested in that email, it says, I urge the board to vote to implement fluoridation water 01:38:23.240 --> 01:38:30.600 treatment for the entire village. And in his subject line, it says the May 19th board meeting, 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:39.480 fluoridation issue. My question is, how did he know about this when the agenda for the 01:38:39.480 --> 01:38:47.240 meeting was not put out to the public, nor to even I as a trustee until noon on May 15th, 01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:54.760 on May 19th. Excellent question. May 15th, May 15th. I have no clue. I am very curious about that, 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.920 and I just have some concerns about it. But thank you. 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:05.320 Okay, just as a reminder, folks, there cannot be conversation, give and take back and forth 01:39:05.320 --> 01:39:10.440 between our speakers and the board. There is allowed one clarifying question by the trustees, 01:39:11.240 --> 01:39:15.000 and in the interest of time, if you all could keep it short, that'd be great. 01:39:16.120 --> 01:39:20.920 Next pre-registered speaker is Amy Anderson, speaking in opposition. 01:39:21.400 --> 01:39:28.040 I think the green lights lit, Amy, if you would just identify yourself and the municipality you live in, please. 01:39:28.040 --> 01:39:34.280 Hi, my name is Amy Anderson. I'm a resident and a health care provider of the community. 01:39:34.280 --> 01:39:40.520 I live at 824 Clover Lane, and my practice is at 124 South Main Street. 01:39:41.320 --> 01:39:47.480 I'm here tonight because I'm troubled, not just because of the fluoridation question itself, 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:55.000 but by the process that's been going on. The community already voted to remove fluoride from our water. 01:39:56.280 --> 01:39:59.560 That decision wasn't made carelessly. There were a lot of reasons behind it. 01:40:00.360 --> 01:40:06.600 It reflected real concerns about the risk, benefit, balance of systemic fluoride consumption, 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:11.720 systemic drinking in our body, and it reflected the will of the people this board serves. 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:18.680 Now, some people want to reverse that ruling, and I want to ask, whose voice are we honoring here? 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:25.160 Pharmaceutical grade fluoride is different than the stuff that we had to water. 01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:29.480 That's what the studies were done on. We can get it through toothpaste, 01:40:29.480 --> 01:40:34.920 gonadunist, topical treatments, there are other things that people use to prevent cavities, 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:40.920 and it delivers the benefit where it's needed without the risk that come with consuming. 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:43.720 The possible risks and the risks that some studies have shown. 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:48.760 You can find studies for things on both sides. You really have to dig into the science behind this. 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:55.640 The science of ingested fluoride, though, specifically that HFSA can't say the real word, 01:40:55.640 --> 01:41:02.520 so I'm going to hyphenate it, which is the waste product and industry, has become very complicated, 01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:07.640 particularly regarding children and neurological effects. I have four kids of my own. 01:41:08.200 --> 01:41:13.560 They've never had fluoride in their life, and we've had one cavity. 01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:20.920 But I also specialize in my practice in taking care of pregnant women, infants, 01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:24.200 breastfeeding specialists, and I take care of kids, too. 01:41:24.200 --> 01:41:30.600 And a large part of what I do is helping families guide them in making healthy choices. 01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:35.800 So many people have come to me. They don't want this, and they're afraid to speak out. 01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:39.240 And they don't have time because they're a Paul Knight nurse and they're babies in there. 01:41:39.240 --> 01:41:44.440 Tired. The goal here, healthy teeth and healthy kids, is we all share this. 01:41:44.440 --> 01:41:47.160 We all share this goal. This is not like us against them. 01:41:49.320 --> 01:41:53.640 The disagreement is about how we get it there. And there are methods available 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:56.920 that don't require the entire community to consume fluoride. 01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:01.080 And a lot of us object to that, and a lot of us filter our water because of it. 01:42:01.080 --> 01:42:02.440 It's very expensive to do. 01:42:03.400 --> 01:42:06.040 I urge the board to honor the vote that was already taken. 01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:11.080 If there's a desire to revisit this, the right path is broader community engagement, 01:42:11.080 --> 01:42:15.000 not a reversal push-through before the oppositions that adequate opportunity be heard. 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.880 Please just table this voting for later time. There's a lot of costs that we've seen that. 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:25.240 And as we know when you build, it's going to be probably double what they say because it always 01:42:25.240 --> 01:42:30.840 happens. I personally get daily input, like daily input of people in the community that don't want 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:34.360 it. And they're confused that it's even up for a vote tonight. They didn't know. 01:42:34.920 --> 01:42:39.480 So if they don't know, how can they come and speak their concerns? 01:42:39.480 --> 01:42:42.040 So I just really urge you not to vote on it tonight. Keep it where it's at. 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:46.920 Thanks for your time. Thank you, Amy. Any questions? 01:42:49.240 --> 01:42:54.280 Jim? Amy, I heard your bit of your background, and I'm wondering, 01:42:55.080 --> 01:43:04.600 say, when do children say would doctors recommend or not recommend giving children 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:09.400 water with fluoride? Do you know that? Well, water with fluoride, but fluoride treatments don't start. 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:17.080 You'd have to ask a dentist for sure. And since we just haven't done them, I think it's four or five 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:22.920 topically. But you brush your teeth early then, but they say don't use a brush. Don't use fluoride 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:29.640 toothpaste because they swallow it in their little. So there's other toothpaste without 01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:35.640 fluoride in it for them. Thank you, I guess. I guess I don't spot the water. I'm good. 01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:43.160 And there's a dentist in the room somewhere. Well, the kind of to that, like we're breastfeeding 01:43:44.120 --> 01:43:49.480 and for making formula, you're not supposed to use tap water because of the fluoride and 01:43:49.480 --> 01:43:53.800 the other chemicals right there. Thanks. 01:43:55.880 --> 01:44:01.000 Next pre-registered again, and Mark Stork is speaking on behalf of Nina Harms. 01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:16.200 Mark Stork speaking for Nina Harms, who lives in the forest. 01:44:17.160 --> 01:44:22.200 I have spoken about the need for fluoride in our municipal drinking water before in front of this 01:44:22.200 --> 01:44:27.640 board. Unfortunately, I am not able to physically attend tonight's meeting. But Mark has graciously 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:33.560 agreed to read my statement. As a former biology teacher, my first lesson to my sophomores was 01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:39.720 understanding the scientific method. We discussed what a fact is, what a hypothesis is, and what a 01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:46.120 theory is. We learned how scientists do exhaustive research, which is peer review multiple times. 01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:52.440 I think most adults today could benefit from a brief refresher than how the scientific process 01:44:52.440 --> 01:44:58.520 worked, but I don't have the time necessary to teach tonight. My master's thesis was about the 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:05.160 scientific literacy of Americans. Back in 2000, it was already a pizmo, and it has only gotten worse. 01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:13.160 Science has lost the support of so much of this populace. This was exacerbated by the COVID pandemic, 01:45:13.160 --> 01:45:18.680 where the science was not communicated clearly. This is a common problem in the scientific community, 01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:24.200 the inability to make things understandable, while the voices of conspiracy theories are 01:45:24.200 --> 01:45:30.440 amplified by our media. The exact same thing happened after the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 01:45:30.440 --> 01:45:37.560 and 1919. The public lost all faith in science, and it took the polio epidemic and sulks vaccine 01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:43.320 to bring back confidence. I hate to think what it would be take today with all the misinformation 01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:49.000 that spreads and breeds on social media in a world where one can live in a bubble and find the answers 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:54.840 that support what they already believe, fact, lose their power. The facts are, fluoride in the 01:45:54.840 --> 01:46:00.360 municipal water system prevents tooth decay. Fact, the amount of fluoride in the water is carefully 01:46:00.360 --> 01:46:05.480 monitored to prevent overdose. Fact, fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral that is found 01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:11.080 primarily in calcium phosphate rock, from which is purified and put in either a liquid suspension 01:46:11.080 --> 01:46:16.360 or in a powder form to add to water. If you believe that fluoride comes from industrial waste, 01:46:16.360 --> 01:46:21.880 you can find that information on many ridiculous blogs and Facebook posts that completely ignore 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:27.320 reality, but that doesn't make it true. In a world where facts seem to matter less and less 01:46:27.320 --> 01:46:33.320 and crazy debunked ideas run among, I fear that this dilemma is much more far reaching than this 01:46:33.320 --> 01:46:38.920 debate over fluoride. I shudder to think what it will take for people to reembrace the facts 01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:45.080 of science again. Thank you for your attention to this manner. Nina Harms to Forest resident for 16 01:46:45.080 --> 01:46:55.240 years. Thank you. No questions. Next up is John Schmidt. 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:11.320 Am I on? All right. My name is John Schmidt, Nick. I own a home at 717 West Mohawk Trail. 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:16.840 I have recited at this residence for the past 24 years with 21 years with my wife Lynn. 01:47:17.480 --> 01:47:23.560 As the forest residents and taxpayers, we did not support the removal of fluoride from the 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:30.440 village water supply. As the forest residents and taxpayers, we fully support the village 01:47:30.440 --> 01:47:36.520 restoring fluoride as soon as possible. We have all heard the arguments for and against fluoride. 01:47:37.160 --> 01:47:44.200 The overwhelming data is and continues to be in strong support of fluoride and the benefits it 01:47:44.200 --> 01:47:51.720 provides. As a community, we owe it to our most vulnerable residents to provide this protection. 01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:58.200 The village residents, the taxpayers, have clearly spoken on this topic. 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:04.840 A trustee has been recalled and then subsequently defeated in the recall election. 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:12.440 Leading up to that election, an additional candidate entered the contest with similar fluoride views. 01:48:13.400 --> 01:48:21.640 Those two candidates combined received 20% of the vote. The taxpayers sent a clear message. 01:48:22.520 --> 01:48:29.000 Shortly after the election, a board member with the same views abruptly resigned. 01:48:30.280 --> 01:48:38.440 The spring election produced a similar outcome. The anti-fluoride incumbent received just over 12% 01:48:38.440 --> 01:48:46.120 of the vote. Once again, the taxpayers sent a message. At the end of the day, the results 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:53.160 speak loud and clear that the forest taxpayers were not happy with the decision to remove. 01:48:54.360 --> 01:49:00.360 It's time for the forest to get rid of the black eye. Please vote to restore fluoride 01:49:00.360 --> 01:49:04.200 and direct staff to begin phased implementation. Thank you. 01:49:04.200 --> 01:49:08.760 Thank you, John. 01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:16.520 Excuse me. Next, and I apologize, Becky. Becky, you're safe. 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:28.280 Call me how I did. You did better than some. 01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:31.080 They had poor me. Becky, you're safe. 01:49:31.080 --> 01:49:33.400 You're safe. Just missed the G. Okay. Thanks. 01:49:33.400 --> 01:49:37.240 And I am a resident of the forest and my address is on the forum. 01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:43.640 I understand there are strong opinions on both sides of the fluoride issue. 01:49:44.280 --> 01:49:48.440 And I respect that people care deeply about our community and our water system. 01:49:49.080 --> 01:49:55.800 What concerns me most is that this issue is being reopened after a decision has already been made. 01:49:56.360 --> 01:50:01.320 There should be value placed on consistency and honoring prior decisions. 01:50:02.040 --> 01:50:06.680 At some point, as a community, we need stability and predictability. 01:50:07.480 --> 01:50:14.360 Reopening highly contentious issues every time board membership changes can create ongoing 01:50:14.360 --> 01:50:22.200 conflict, frustration, and uncertainty for residents. It risks creating a cycle where decisions are 01:50:22.200 --> 01:50:28.040 continually revisited until one side ultimately gets the outcome they want. 01:50:29.240 --> 01:50:34.120 I'm also concerned that a decision of this magnitude is being considered while the village 01:50:34.120 --> 01:50:42.040 board does not currently have its full seven member representation and issue this divisive 01:50:42.040 --> 01:50:48.520 with significant financial and community-wide impact should be considered with a fully seated 01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:55.320 board. Residents deserve complete representation before major decisions like this are revisited. 01:50:56.360 --> 01:51:01.240 I also believe the financial impact should be carefully considered. We're talking about 01:51:01.240 --> 01:51:07.480 spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on an issue that has already created significant 01:51:07.480 --> 01:51:13.880 division within the community. Whether residents support fluoride or oppose it, I think many 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:19.480 people are simply tired of the conflict and would rather see the village focus on issues that 01:51:19.480 --> 01:51:24.920 bring people together and move our community forward. My hope is that the board carefully 01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:31.160 considers whether now is truly the right time to revisit this issue. Residents deserve stability, 01:51:31.160 --> 01:51:37.160 consistency, and full representation before major decisions that affect the entire community 01:51:37.160 --> 01:51:44.840 are reconsidered. I urge you please pause any decision on this matter tonight. Thank you. 01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:47.240 You Becky. 01:51:50.360 --> 01:51:56.680 Next up I have Sarah with no last name who pre-registered and I believe she's on Zoom. 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:00.520 That is correct. We'll just need a moment to give her ability. 01:52:07.160 --> 01:52:23.720 Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can, Sarah. Go ahead. You have three minutes. 01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:32.920 Thank you so much. In 2024, a federal judge ruled water fluoridation poses an unreasonable risk 01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:43.800 of injury. In 2025, the FDA chose to protect children from fluoride by banning the drug for 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:51.480 all children under the age of three. Moreover, the state health department acknowledges that 01:52:51.480 --> 01:53:00.760 ingesting fluoride causes disfigurement in children in the form of dental fluorosis. Given these 01:53:01.240 --> 01:53:09.400 basic facts, I believe that what this board is doing constitutes its child abuse under the law. 01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:21.160 Under chapter 948 crimes against children, specifically 948.03 physical abuse of children. 01:53:22.120 --> 01:53:33.880 Definitions says in this section recklessly means conduct, which creates a situation of unreasonable 01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:44.120 risk of harm to and demonstrates a conscious disregard for the safety of the child. Using the 01:53:44.200 --> 01:53:52.360 waterworks to medicate two-year-olds against a parent's wishes is acting both unreasonably 01:53:53.080 --> 01:54:02.280 and reckless because ingesting this FDA-defined chemical drug causes well-established harms, 01:54:02.280 --> 01:54:10.440 which is exactly why doctors are no longer allowed to write prescriptions for fluoride tablets 01:54:10.440 --> 01:54:20.440 for children. It's clear that this board wants to intentionally put a chemical drug in the water 01:54:20.440 --> 01:54:31.160 that causes actual known harms to children. I implore this board to resist that urge because 01:54:31.160 --> 01:54:40.600 you have a legal duty of care to protect children, not medicate them. In anyone who fails to act 01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:49.640 tonight to stop this barbaric practice to prevent bodily injury to babies is culpable under the 01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:58.440 state law and in the eyes of the Lord. Please, do not contaminate the water with hydrofluorosolic 01:54:58.440 --> 01:55:06.120 acid commonly referred to as fluoride. For doing so is reckless endangerment of children. 01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:07.160 Thank you. 01:55:08.440 --> 01:55:13.080 Sarah, for the record, I don't have your last name, the proper spelling of Sarah and what 01:55:13.080 --> 01:55:14.680 municipality you live in. 01:55:16.200 --> 01:55:20.760 That is compelled speech, so I will not be giving that information, but thank you for asking. 01:55:23.080 --> 01:55:23.800 Okay, thank you. 01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:39.720 Next is Kerry Spencer, representing the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, also on Zoom. 01:55:53.800 --> 01:56:12.680 Hi, this is Kerry Spencer. Thank you for that. Sorry, just a little delay with being able to 01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:18.440 unmute. Good evening. My name is Kerry Spencer. I work for the Wisconsin Department of Health 01:56:18.440 --> 01:56:23.560 Services and the Oral Health Program. The Oral Health Program received a request to provide 01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:29.240 information on community water fluoridation equipment grants to the DeForest Village Board this 01:56:29.240 --> 01:56:35.960 evening. Each year, the Department of Health Services has funding for community water fluoridation 01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:41.560 equipment grants. This funding allows community to upgrade, install equipment that will make 01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:48.040 fluoridation systems easier to operate, provide more accurate dosing, and increase the safety 01:56:48.040 --> 01:56:53.720 and environmental conditions inside chemical storage rooms. This grant opportunity is currently 01:56:53.720 --> 01:57:03.160 available until June 5th of 2026. Applicants awarded will be notified by June 1st of 2026, 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:11.720 and communities awarded will have from July 1st to June 30th of 2027 to purchase and install equipment. 01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:19.320 Information to know about this grant is it's a non-matching grant opportunity. The allowable 01:57:19.320 --> 01:57:27.000 project expenses for this grant include chemical tanks and ventilation, pumps and valves, fluoride 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:34.760 testing equipment, scales and radar sensors, personal protective equipment, emergency eyewash 01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:42.680 and showers, room exhaust and ventilation and equipment calibration. If the village of DeForest 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:48.280 decides to resume community water fluoridation, the information on this grant has been shared with 01:57:48.280 --> 01:57:55.800 you for your convenience. The information provided has what I shared tonight as well as how to contact 01:57:55.800 --> 01:58:01.480 the Oral Health Program and where to apply for funding. Thank you for your time this evening 01:58:01.480 --> 01:58:09.240 and allowing me to share this information with you. Thank you, Kerry. Oh, I'm sorry, Jim. 01:58:10.440 --> 01:58:16.760 That's a question. Thank you for attending tonight, Kerry. I'm curious, or I'm wondering how much you 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:26.040 can share as far as the grant. Is there a range that we would anticipate or hire low or anything 01:58:26.040 --> 01:58:30.680 else you could share for the dollar amount we could expect? 01:58:45.400 --> 01:58:52.920 Sorry, Jim. I was just waiting to be able to unmute. So there is no limit. So we typically advise 01:58:52.920 --> 01:59:00.280 communities to ask for what they need. And obviously, we don't have unlimited funds, 01:59:00.280 --> 01:59:07.960 so we award what is within our means. This application does go out to communities all across 01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:15.320 the state. So I would say ask for what you need. And we certainly can review it and determine what 01:59:15.320 --> 01:59:22.200 seems appropriate and what our funding is available. I hope that answered your question. 01:59:23.480 --> 01:59:26.600 Hang on a second, Kerry, Bill Chang. There's a question. 01:59:28.280 --> 01:59:34.200 Hi, this is Bill Chang just wondering in regards to application in the application process 01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:44.200 at each stage, is an applicant able or eligible to apply two seasons in a row? 01:59:45.160 --> 01:59:47.400 Yes. Thank you. 01:59:50.520 --> 01:59:55.480 I guess Kerry, I don't feel like maybe you answered the question. Could you tell me the highest 01:59:55.480 --> 02:00:03.160 grant you've already ever given and say the last couple of years? The funding varies from 02:00:03.160 --> 02:00:10.280 community to community. I would say we have some communities that ask for $2,000 and we have some 02:00:10.280 --> 02:00:19.400 that are 40 or 50. Each year, I think we typically fund anywhere between 8 to 12 communities. 02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:23.080 And again, the requests are just all across the board. 02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:29.720 So it's hard to say, we'll give you up to this amount. I think. 02:00:30.280 --> 02:00:32.360 Thank you. That our answer is it. 02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:41.400 Thank you, Kerry. Next, Christy Shirley in person. 02:00:53.160 --> 02:00:56.360 Just give us your name and what municipality you live in. 02:00:56.920 --> 02:01:02.520 I'm Christy Shirley. I live at 301 Riverwood, Benton de Forest. 02:01:03.240 --> 02:01:07.640 So first, I'd like to ask you tonight to keep fluoride out of our village water. 02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:14.280 Not because everyone agrees that fluoride is harmful, but because every person should have the right 02:01:14.280 --> 02:01:20.600 to decide what goes into their own body. You know, we live in a time where my body, my choice, 02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:26.120 has become a powerful principle in our society. And we're told that personal medical decisions 02:01:26.200 --> 02:01:33.160 belong to an individual. Now, if we truly believe in bodily autonomy, then that principle should 02:01:33.160 --> 02:01:40.120 apply consistently, including when it comes to adding fluoride to the public drinking water. 02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:45.560 Fluoride is already widely available to anyone who wants it. So in the toothpaste, 02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:50.680 mouth rinses, dental treatments, supplements, and people who believe fluoride benefits them 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:54.920 already have easy access to it and can choose to use it every day if they wish. 02:01:55.640 --> 02:02:00.920 But for those who do not want fluoride in their bodies, avoiding it is far more difficult and 02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:08.120 expensive. It's not as simple as buying bottled water. Fluoridated water affects cooking, bathing, 02:02:08.120 --> 02:02:14.840 watering gardens, pets, and plants. And proper filtration systems remove fluoride from an entire 02:02:14.840 --> 02:02:21.240 home or costly and unrealistic for many families. So when fluoride is added to the water supply, 02:02:21.240 --> 02:02:27.080 there's no meaningful way to opt out. That removes personal choice from every resident in our 02:02:27.080 --> 02:02:33.000 community. Leaving fluoride out of the village water is the true compromise. It's a win-win. 02:02:33.960 --> 02:02:39.240 Because those who want fluoride can still freely choose it through products and supplements, 02:02:39.240 --> 02:02:44.760 but those who don't want it can also maintain that choice without financial burden or forced 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:50.280 exposure. This issue is bigger than fluoride itself. It's about whether individuals retain 02:02:50.360 --> 02:02:57.560 the right to make personal choices for themselves and their families. So I respectfully ask the 02:02:57.560 --> 02:03:04.600 board to protect that freedom to keep fluoride out of our village water. Thank you. 02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:09.400 Next speaker, Bernard Cox. 02:03:23.480 --> 02:03:27.960 Good evening, Bernard Cox. I need a nine-liberty drive. I've been a resident for 30 years. 02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:35.400 Over the last year, the citizens of the village have watched fluoridation policies spring back 02:03:35.400 --> 02:03:41.960 and forth, not because science suddenly changed, but because political makeup of this board changed. 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:47.720 One board removed fluoride, another attempted to restore it and it failed. Now it's another 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:52.040 political shift. The village is preparing to reverse course again, while projected costs 02:03:52.040 --> 02:03:58.120 continue to escalate. Residents were told this project would cost around $200,000, 02:03:58.120 --> 02:04:04.600 updated engineering documents now exceed $300,000. I continue to believe true term long costs 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:11.160 ultimately will approach $500 to $700,000 when Bill's done. All the infrastructure, 02:04:11.160 --> 02:04:16.440 engineering, skate, and integration facility modifications, operational services are included. 02:04:17.400 --> 02:04:23.400 That should concern every taxpayer in the village because this is no longer a public health 02:04:23.400 --> 02:04:29.800 discussion. This is also a fiscal responsibility issue. It's tied directly to what constitutes 02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:35.400 protecting all citizens' health safety. I'm not a scientist and I'm not a toxicologist. 02:04:36.440 --> 02:04:41.880 And with all due respect, neither is this board nor the staff are positioned to independently 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:48.520 resolve complex fluoride health and safety questions currently under EPA in court review. 02:04:49.480 --> 02:04:53.640 Yet the board continues to move forward as though the questions are already settled. 02:04:54.440 --> 02:04:59.960 Because this is a responsibility this board is truly to protect public health and safety 02:04:59.960 --> 02:05:05.480 than caution and restraint should be exercised. While nationally recognized experts, 02:05:05.480 --> 02:05:10.680 federal agencies in the courts continue to review various standards being relied upon tonight. 02:05:12.680 --> 02:05:19.000 In fact, the village owned correspondence with the Wisconsin DNR now confirmed fluoridation 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:26.760 is an elective chemical and it's optional. You're all speaking here tonight like it's required. It's 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:35.400 not. It's optional. At the same time, there's ongoing concerns involving NTB related contamination 02:05:35.400 --> 02:05:41.160 impacts associated with known hydrocarbon plumes issue affecting portions of this system right now. 02:05:42.200 --> 02:05:50.280 MTB is in our water right now. And we're spending $300,000 to add chemicals to do it when we're 02:05:50.280 --> 02:05:57.640 not spending anything to take chemicals out of it. But it's not reasonable to ask whether 02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:03.880 taxpayer dollars would be better spent addressing known contamination concerns first before community, 02:06:03.880 --> 02:06:11.640 large sums of towards additional elective chemical treatment systems, independent testing of my 02:06:11.640 --> 02:06:17.160 own residential water supply also confirms that naturally occurring background floor already 02:06:17.160 --> 02:06:23.000 remains present in the village as we speak to the point of point two. And that's when you took 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:30.120 it out already. It's already out. My water test says it's still in. This is not a question. 02:06:30.120 --> 02:06:35.960 Zero fluoride versus fluoride. Bernard, I'm sorry, your time is up. Thank you. 02:06:36.440 --> 02:06:44.280 Question. Can you go back to tell us why the MTBSs are more important than adding the fluoride? 02:06:48.120 --> 02:06:57.240 An independent national lab test my water in in March. It shows clearly MTB's. It's a 02:06:57.240 --> 02:07:03.640 byproduct of volume products, usually from underground storage techniques. That was my 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:07.640 fourth day. I worked for the state for seven years at the underground above ground storage 02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:14.760 tank progress. They say no. MTB's are impacting the wellhead according to this water test right 02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:21.960 now. The point where it's only 0.7 feet seven underneath the legal limits before we had to take 02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:31.400 any technical legal actions. MTB's are working. Thank you. 02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:40.920 Next speaker is Rebecca Withers. 02:07:51.960 --> 02:08:02.520 Rebecca Witherspoon, divorce resident. My address is on file. I am once again speaking 02:08:02.520 --> 02:08:06.840 in opposition to the reintroduction of fluoride back into our municipal water supply. 02:08:07.640 --> 02:08:12.760 As this board knows, I previously submitted an ADA accommodation request related to this issue 02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:16.760 and I am currently working with my physician to provide the medical documentation the 02:08:16.760 --> 02:08:22.600 village requested. During that process, blood testing has revealed that I have significantly 02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:27.720 elevated arsenic levels in my body as serious medical concern that my doctor and I are now 02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:32.840 actively addressing. And yet this board appears determined to move forward with adding a chemical 02:08:32.840 --> 02:08:39.320 to our water supply that is known to contain arsenic and other toxic contaminants. This 02:08:39.320 --> 02:08:45.320 is no longer an abstract policy debate for me. This directly impacts my health, my safety, 02:08:45.320 --> 02:08:52.280 and my ability to safely access the public utility that I am forced to pay for and cannot 02:08:52.280 --> 02:08:58.280 realistically avoid. Some have unrealistically suggested I should simply buy bottled water or 02:08:58.280 --> 02:09:03.800 install expensive filtration systems. But why should residents be forced to both pay to have 02:09:03.800 --> 02:09:09.160 a substance added to our water and then pay again to remove it in order to protect their health? 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:15.880 Also of concern is the repeated claim by some trustees that there is zero scientific evidence 02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:22.440 showing potential harm from fluoridation. Those claims are simply false. There is ongoing 02:09:22.440 --> 02:09:27.640 scientific debate. There are numerous recent studies raising concerns about neurotoxicity 02:09:27.640 --> 02:09:34.200 and cumulative exposure. And in September 2024, federal court found sufficient evidence of an 02:09:34.200 --> 02:09:40.520 unreasonable risk of harm to health to require further EPA review, which is currently under review. 02:09:41.320 --> 02:09:46.520 You may disagree with that ruling, but you cannot ethically pretend it does not exist. 02:09:47.160 --> 02:09:53.000 There's also pending litigation involving this issue here in our own community. My understanding 02:09:53.000 --> 02:09:59.720 is that dismissal has not occurred and that that lawsuit was only or that it was only being 02:09:59.800 --> 02:10:04.600 discussed because previous attempts to reintroduce fluoridation repeatedly fail. 02:10:05.400 --> 02:10:10.360 Now the political numbers may have changed on this board, but the unresolved scientific legal 02:10:10.360 --> 02:10:16.680 fiscal and ethical concerns have not. And that is exactly why this board has a moral responsibility 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:23.400 to slow down, not accelerate. When there's unresolved public health concerns, ongoing federal review, 02:10:23.400 --> 02:10:28.280 pending litigation, and more than $325,000 in infrastructure costs alone, 02:10:29.160 --> 02:10:35.400 that may never be recoverable. The ethical obligation of government is caution, not recklessness. 02:10:35.400 --> 02:10:41.080 Waiting for the EPA's determination is not extreme. It is reasonable, responsible, 02:10:41.080 --> 02:10:48.440 and physically, fiscally prudent. I urge you tonight to take off the ideological blinders, 02:10:48.440 --> 02:10:54.360 stop pretending there is no real controversy surrounding this issue, and do the responsible 02:10:54.360 --> 02:11:00.200 thing. Pause this process until the EPA review is complete. And for the record, 02:11:00.840 --> 02:11:10.200 I won re-election despite being politically attacked. I also resigned from this board 02:11:10.200 --> 02:11:17.240 because my husband died. So let's get off with that subject. Thank you. 02:11:17.960 --> 02:11:20.360 Thank you. 02:11:21.720 --> 02:11:23.640 Joe Dish is next. 02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:40.200 Hi, my name is Joe Dish. I live at 213 South Main Street here in DeForest. 02:11:41.080 --> 02:11:46.680 This is first and foremost a civil rights issue, and DeForest already made the correct choice 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:51.880 when we ended the practice of water fluoridation. And again, when we resisted an attempt to begin 02:11:51.880 --> 02:11:57.800 it again, people have the right to decide what goes into their bodies. While certain forms of 02:11:57.800 --> 02:12:04.360 fluoride applied topically have been shown to reduce dental cavities, mounting evidence suggests 02:12:04.360 --> 02:12:09.560 that the ingestion of fluoride can lead to serious thyroid, bone, and neurological problems. 02:12:10.840 --> 02:12:15.160 People who want fluoride have many available options, including toothpaste, 02:12:15.240 --> 02:12:21.080 mouthwash, and topical treatments. But typical household water filters don't effectively remove 02:12:21.080 --> 02:12:26.440 fluoride. So people who don't want to ingest it, inhale it in their shower, water their gardens 02:12:26.440 --> 02:12:32.760 with it, must go to great expense to avoid it, if they can afford to do so at all. This is a health 02:12:32.760 --> 02:12:38.920 issue, an economic issue, and could eventually become a liability issue. Federal authorities are 02:12:38.920 --> 02:12:44.760 currently fast-tracking investigations into fluoride safety, which could lead to a reversal of guidelines. 02:12:45.480 --> 02:12:52.280 So far, two states have banned the practice, and 10 more have introduced legislation seeking to do so. 02:12:53.160 --> 02:12:58.520 It's entirely possible that after spending considerable tax dollars to restart the pumps, 02:12:59.080 --> 02:13:05.240 a change in policy or outright ban at the federal or state level could force us to again change 02:13:05.240 --> 02:13:11.560 course, and perhaps face legal liability for harm. We should honor the decision to keep fluoridation 02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:21.080 of personal choice. Thank you, Joe. Chris McDonald. 02:13:23.400 --> 02:13:28.040 No, you're not speaking. Andrew Burns. 02:13:28.040 --> 02:13:43.400 Hello. My name is Andrew Burns. I live at 456 Sunset Drive. I'm here this evening to speak on behalf 02:13:43.400 --> 02:13:48.760 of myself, my wife, Kelly Fox, and our six-month-old daughter, Grace. I'm here this evening to voice 02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:56.040 my support of the resolution, 206057, directing the Director of Public Services to resume fluoridation 02:13:56.040 --> 02:14:01.720 of the village's public water system. As a constituent of the forest, it's important to me 02:14:01.720 --> 02:14:06.280 that our elected officials wisely manage the money raised by taxes to facilitate the greater 02:14:06.280 --> 02:14:11.400 good of our community. Early last year, my family was disheartened to learn that the decision to 02:14:11.400 --> 02:14:16.760 discontinue fluoride addition to our water supply. Since that initial decision, there has been a lot 02:14:16.760 --> 02:14:21.400 of community engagement on the topic. Some of the loudest voices are from outside of our community. 02:14:21.960 --> 02:14:26.920 They don't drink our water or pay our taxes. Since the decision last year, there have been two 02:14:26.920 --> 02:14:31.880 decisive elections. I can only speak directly to the motivation for the votes of my family. 02:14:32.440 --> 02:14:36.440 Our votes were informed by a desire for the resumption of public water fluoridation. 02:14:37.240 --> 02:14:42.360 I believe many other divorce residents shared this motivation. The U.S. Centers for Disease 02:14:42.360 --> 02:14:48.280 Control, a federal government agency, continued to support public water fluoridation. From their 02:14:48.280 --> 02:14:53.400 public-facing website, quote, fluorodei water and fluoride toothpaste work together to prevent 02:14:53.400 --> 02:14:57.880 cavities. Together, the two sources offer more protection than using either one alone. 02:14:58.840 --> 02:15:03.320 Last fall, I spoke in support of your reconsideration, and I thank you for bringing us to this point. 02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:08.040 I am more confident in the board today than I have been since moving to the forest two years ago. 02:15:08.680 --> 02:15:12.520 I also want to take a moment to commend and thank the board and village staff for their handling 02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:17.320 of the potential QTS data center. You made the right decision and saved our community a lot of 02:15:17.320 --> 02:15:23.480 party. Thank you. Thank you. Nancy Quirk. 02:15:34.120 --> 02:15:40.200 Hi, my name is Nancy Quirk. Good evening, President Little and Pustees. I live at 906, 02:15:40.200 --> 02:15:45.480 Besant Lane and DeForest. I was a registered professional engineer in the state of Wisconsin, 02:15:47.320 --> 02:15:55.080 and I was recently retired from 36 years of Wisconsin drinking water sector, 02:15:55.080 --> 02:16:00.600 including civil engineering roles at Madison water utility, at Waukeshaal water utility, 02:16:00.600 --> 02:16:06.680 and then general manager of Green Bay water utility. In Green Bay, we fought for fluoridation 02:16:06.680 --> 02:16:13.560 three different times, and our council agreed to keep it going. I just wanted to mention that 02:16:14.200 --> 02:16:20.200 we were given accommodation from the children's health network of Wisconsin for protecting 02:16:20.200 --> 02:16:25.000 children's health with dental protection with the fluoride that we added to our water. 02:16:26.280 --> 02:16:31.400 I live in DeForest and pay taxes here. I do not support the removal of fluoride, 02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:37.480 and I do not, and I do support the funding and efforts for the village to restore it. 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:43.160 With my background at the water utilities who also provided fluoridated water to their customers, 02:16:43.160 --> 02:16:49.560 I was asked to review the Verbecker memorandum of May 13th. In this memo, Verbecker outlined 02:16:49.560 --> 02:16:54.120 the tasks and estimated costs to reinstate fluoride at the village's existing wells, 02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:59.480 and you just spent a lot of time going through that proposal. The costs include not only equipment 02:16:59.480 --> 02:17:03.720 to enable fluoride to be added to the water, but also improvement to the building themselves, 02:17:03.720 --> 02:17:08.840 which came out. So there are required tasks and optional ones that you guys identified. 02:17:09.960 --> 02:17:14.600 Well, two, three, and four previously had fluoride injected. The required task 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:19.640 costs to equip well to inject the monitor fluoride into the water again would be lower than the 02:17:19.640 --> 02:17:27.640 shown value. Other costs included in their total cost included would be optional. Well, 02:17:27.640 --> 02:17:33.720 six never had fluoride, and that's going to require a higher cost, so because it's not 02:17:33.720 --> 02:17:38.760 grandfathered in. The State Department of Health has grant money, which you just heard about, 02:17:39.320 --> 02:17:43.400 and it will lower your costs significantly for buying that fluoride equipment and getting back 02:17:43.400 --> 02:17:48.680 up to speed. I'm sharing this from my own experience as Green Bay's general manager. 02:17:48.680 --> 02:17:54.680 I served on EPA's National Drinking Water Advisory Council, which dealt with all water quality 02:17:54.680 --> 02:18:00.760 issues in the United States. During my three years there, never was there a credible report 02:18:00.760 --> 02:18:09.000 sent to us for consideration to remove fluoride from the water. Please vote to restore fluoride 02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:17.000 and direct staff to begin phased implementation. Thank you. Thank you. Jim has a question for you. 02:18:18.360 --> 02:18:23.880 So thank you for sharing your background, and what I heard is that you worked for the Green Bay 02:18:23.880 --> 02:18:29.480 Water Utility and Madison Water Utility. Yeah, I was a civil engineer at Madison. I was an 02:18:29.480 --> 02:18:35.240 engineering manager at Waukesha, and I was a general manager at Green Bay Water. You know of any 02:18:35.240 --> 02:18:43.400 instances where there's a pump malfunction that may be brought fluoride above the legal limits 02:18:43.400 --> 02:18:49.480 on any of those. Our SCADA systems, the Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition Systems that we had 02:18:49.480 --> 02:18:55.480 monitored that. And if there was a discrepancy, our operators handled that right away and and 02:18:55.480 --> 02:19:02.840 shut them off if they needed to be. Or they were constantly looking at, you know, they had a amount 02:19:02.840 --> 02:19:09.720 of routine replacement schedule so that there would not be failures in those pumps and things 02:19:09.720 --> 02:19:18.680 in the storage. And we had the big trucks come and put them into the tanks where we didn't have to 02:19:18.680 --> 02:19:25.640 like put it in ourselves. The hoses would go right into the tanks to fill up the H2S or hydro 02:19:25.640 --> 02:19:33.560 flow salicylic acid. Yeah, and so would you agree that with that maintenance schedule that you had, 02:19:33.560 --> 02:19:39.960 that you did not have any pump failures? During the time that it was there, there was no pump failures. 02:19:40.760 --> 02:19:47.240 Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Morgan Brooke. 02:19:56.600 --> 02:20:02.440 Hi, my name is Morgan Brooke. I'm a registered dental hygienist. I've owned my home at 920 Liberty 02:20:02.440 --> 02:20:09.000 Drive here in the forest for about 12 years. I pay taxes here. I've been a hygienist for 14 years. 02:20:09.960 --> 02:20:15.880 Patients all day long. I did not support the removal of fluoride and I support the 02:20:15.880 --> 02:20:21.320 villagers restoring it. I'm speaking for myself, my children, and as a dental hygienist, I'm speaking 02:20:21.320 --> 02:20:26.840 tonight for countless patients who have personally asked me to advocate for them and their families 02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:32.840 on this issue. Every day, I see the real effects of dental disease. Cavities are not simply small 02:20:32.840 --> 02:20:40.120 inconveniences. They are preventable infections that cause pain, misspool, and work, difficulty 02:20:40.120 --> 02:20:46.040 eating and sleeping, and causally treatment that many families struggle to afford. Community water 02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:50.840 fluoridation is a public health preventative matter. It is one of the most research and widely 02:20:50.840 --> 02:20:57.160 supported public health interventions in modern history. For decades, major medical, dental, 02:20:57.160 --> 02:21:02.040 and public health organizations have continued to support fluoridation because the evidence 02:21:02.040 --> 02:21:07.080 consistently shows that it safely reduces tooth decay and improves oral health outcomes 02:21:07.080 --> 02:21:13.000 across entire communities. As a health care professional, prevention is always the goal. 02:21:13.000 --> 02:21:19.000 It is far more effective and less expensive to prevent disease than it is to treat after damage 02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:24.040 has already occurred. Water fluoridation is one of the most cost effective ways to improve 02:21:24.040 --> 02:21:29.560 public health because it benefits everyone regardless of age, income, or access to dental care. 02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:34.840 Not every family can afford routine dental visits, prescription fluoride products, 02:21:34.840 --> 02:21:41.480 or extensive restorative treatments. Fluoridated water helps to provide consistent protection 02:21:41.480 --> 02:21:47.640 to all residents, especially children, seniors, and the vulnerable populations. My patients are 02:21:47.640 --> 02:21:52.360 concerned about losing this protection. They are asking for their voices to be heard, and tonight 02:21:52.360 --> 02:21:57.000 I'm helping bring their voices forward. With respect, unless you have worked directly with 02:21:57.080 --> 02:22:02.520 patients experiencing dental disease, it can be difficult to fully appreciate the ripple effects 02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:08.040 that preventable decay has on families. As a dental hygienist, I see those effects every day. 02:22:08.680 --> 02:22:13.080 Pain, missed school, financial stress, and children needing treatment that may have been 02:22:13.080 --> 02:22:18.760 preventable. As both a taxpayer and a dental hygienist, I strongly support restoring fluoride 02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:23.880 to our community water supply. Please vote to restore fluoride and direct staff to begin 02:22:23.880 --> 02:22:33.000 the phase implementation. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? I can assist with questions on 02:22:33.640 --> 02:22:39.720 what is recommended for toothpaste if you need it. Do you like to answer a question that I have 02:22:39.720 --> 02:22:49.160 about when, say, an infant or a child can? Sure. Yeah. Good morning. So we follow what the ADA 02:22:49.240 --> 02:22:55.400 recommends, and what pediatricians recommend. So currently, pediatricians do apply fluoride 02:22:55.400 --> 02:23:02.600 treatments until children start seeing a dentist. So they usually apply every six months as most 02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:09.320 dentists do. That's what the ADA recommends and pediatricians. So like currently, if your child is 02:23:09.320 --> 02:23:15.800 under two, it is recommended once they get their first tooth. So it's dependent on age of child, 02:23:15.880 --> 02:23:19.240 but usually around six months is when they recommend the first treatment. 02:23:19.880 --> 02:23:23.800 And then once they've established dental care, every six months for fluoride treatments. 02:23:27.560 --> 02:23:35.320 Thank you. What I heard is the fluoride treatments, say, starting at when they have teeth, and then 02:23:36.280 --> 02:23:43.960 that is also, say, the recommendation of ingesting the potential and testing of fluorinated water at 02:23:44.120 --> 02:23:50.760 that time also. Correct. And also fluoridated toothpaste. The ADA recommends a rice size amount, 02:23:50.760 --> 02:23:56.120 actually. Thank you. It was previously that they recommended not using it, but our diets have 02:23:56.120 --> 02:24:01.320 changed quite a bit. So they do recommend it a pea size amount or a rice size, excuse me, 02:24:01.320 --> 02:24:09.160 for children as soon as they get a tooth. Thank you. Anything else? Thanks. 02:24:10.120 --> 02:24:13.480 Mark Stark speaking as Mark Stark this time. 02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:23.240 And it's the last time you see me today up here. I hope so. Yeah, me too. 02:24:24.760 --> 02:24:31.640 My name is Mark Stark, 16 Jefferson Street. I live in the forest. I pay taxes here, and I did not 02:24:31.640 --> 02:24:38.440 support the removal of fluoride, and I support the village restoring it. Over the past few weeks, 02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:46.120 I've seen several times people asking, why don't we have a referendum on this? And when you first, 02:24:46.120 --> 02:24:51.400 at least the village board, not all of you, voted to remove fluoride, at that point in time, 02:24:51.400 --> 02:24:57.320 I sent an email to all of the trustees asking, why didn't we have a referendum? And I got 02:24:57.320 --> 02:25:04.840 nice responses, except for one, where I was informed that the trustee was elected to make decisions, 02:25:04.920 --> 02:25:11.720 they made a decision, and I should be happy with that. I didn't feel that was quite the answer 02:25:11.720 --> 02:25:16.520 that a trustee should give, so I began to explore things a little bit more. And at that time, 02:25:16.520 --> 02:25:21.320 I found there were other troubling aspects regarding that trustee. And because of that, 02:25:21.320 --> 02:25:29.480 I was happy to add my name as the lead on the recall effort for that trustee. We garnered well 02:25:29.480 --> 02:25:35.560 over the number of signatures needed from the forest residents over the time period, 02:25:35.560 --> 02:25:42.040 and actually quicker than was required. And the recall election occurred, and I am very pleased 02:25:42.040 --> 02:25:51.160 to say that that individual lost by a margin of 79% to 21%. Since that time, we have lost another 02:25:51.160 --> 02:25:56.760 trustee due to resignation who had voted for fluoride. And this past April, we had another 02:25:56.760 --> 02:26:04.120 trustee who had voted to remove fluoride, run to keep her seat. And at that point, 02:26:04.120 --> 02:26:10.760 they received only 12% of the vote compared to 81% for the other three individuals running. 02:26:11.960 --> 02:26:20.120 In the past year, I have knocked on virtually hundreds of doors between the recall and the 02:26:20.120 --> 02:26:27.560 elections. And in that time, I have had one person state to me that they were glad that fluoride 02:26:27.560 --> 02:26:35.960 had been removed. And when I asked her why, she said, my bridge player companion told me I should 02:26:35.960 --> 02:26:45.160 tell you that. That was the reason. So when people say we need a referendum, I'd say we already had 02:26:45.960 --> 02:26:55.000 several referendums. So please vote this evening to restore fluoride and direct the staff to begin 02:26:55.000 --> 02:27:08.360 a phased implementation. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. One question just to clarify the percentages 02:27:08.360 --> 02:27:13.800 you used. You talked about the last election. I think you said 12 and a half for one candidate, 02:27:13.880 --> 02:27:20.920 and then you said 81% for the other group, the three other together, they had substantially more 02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:28.680 than the one candidate who did not. But it was election. It was 81% of the total votes, 02:27:28.680 --> 02:27:39.080 not necessarily 81% of the individuals that voted. Is that correct? So of the percentage of all 02:27:39.080 --> 02:27:48.120 voters, there was 12% approximately devoted for that trustee. There were 81% that voted for 02:27:49.240 --> 02:27:56.440 the other three who gained their positions. And there was a small amount that voted for right in. 02:27:57.640 --> 02:28:03.160 Okay. But you added the three numbers together. They were approximately all equal. 02:28:04.120 --> 02:28:11.640 Okay. So you used that one number. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Thank you. Thank you. 02:28:13.480 --> 02:28:14.440 Macy Bueller. 02:28:23.800 --> 02:28:29.720 Hello. My name is Macy Bueller. I've been to Forest Residence for almost 30 years this summer. 02:28:30.360 --> 02:28:38.120 I am speaking in support of adding fluoride back in our water. Did you know that 35% 02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:48.440 of Americans cannot access dental care? Why? That is needed in our water. 35% of Americans 02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:54.600 need fluoride. They can access it. You might not even be able to access toothpaste with it. 02:28:54.680 --> 02:29:02.440 When you look at what's happening to our lack of access to food, yeah, I will talk about that 02:29:02.440 --> 02:29:09.720 in a minute. Did you know that one in four children in the Forest School District live in poverty 02:29:09.720 --> 02:29:14.280 if you take the free and reduced numbers? And those are often underrepresented. 02:29:15.400 --> 02:29:22.920 And so typically there's more than 25% in our area. Since they last took fluoride out to forest, 02:29:23.800 --> 02:29:29.080 we haven't had anyone step up to offer free fluoride treatments to children. 02:29:29.080 --> 02:29:34.120 I haven't seen anyone offer free toothpaste and toothbrushes to children. 02:29:36.040 --> 02:29:42.360 This is a public health issue and why in the 60s and 70s we added this in. And so I hope 02:29:42.360 --> 02:29:50.520 to forestize the right thing and they see, yes, it is a choice, but 35% don't have that choice. 02:29:51.400 --> 02:29:59.080 So you're doing the right thing by adding that back. And for divorce, for 25% of our children, 02:29:59.080 --> 02:30:05.720 it will make a huge impact. So going forward, I want you to think it is a choice that we're going 02:30:05.720 --> 02:30:13.000 to help our children. Thank you. Thank you. Jonathan Bronk. 02:30:21.400 --> 02:30:31.160 Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. My name is Jonathan Bronk and I'm a resident 02:30:31.160 --> 02:30:37.720 into forest. I did not support the removal of fluoride, but I'm here tonight in support of the 02:30:37.720 --> 02:30:42.360 village restoring it to our drinking water. I support the village making the necessary 02:30:42.360 --> 02:30:48.520 infrastructure and building investments to bring our pump houses up to code and make these facilities 02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:54.120 as safe as possible for our staff. Please vote to restore fluoride and direct staff to begin the 02:30:54.120 --> 02:31:02.520 process of updating our pump houses facilities. Thank you. Scott Mink. 02:31:07.960 --> 02:31:13.560 Hi. Hi. My name is Scott Mink. I'm from the forest, 5.20 Hanks Hollow, 02:31:14.360 --> 02:31:20.120 here for about 30 years. And I'm speaking to urge you guys not to reintroduce fluoride 02:31:20.120 --> 02:31:25.640 back into the public water supply. And I was just going to go off script just a little bit 02:31:26.440 --> 02:31:33.000 and just talk about being online recently and seeing all the forums talking about fluoride. 02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:39.560 And there seems to be a big assumption that people that are that want fluoride removed 02:31:40.120 --> 02:31:47.320 from their water are kind of right wing maha movement kind of folks. And I probably wear a 02:31:47.320 --> 02:31:54.520 granola crunchy liberal patch. And so I just want people to know that there's another side of that. 02:31:54.520 --> 02:32:00.440 I eat organic whenever I can. And you know we don't put any pesticides or herbicides on our lawns. 02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:06.200 And we're going to win an actual village board award this year for the most 02:32:06.200 --> 02:32:13.400 dandelions per square floor. So yeah, anyways, public water should be kept pure and safe as 02:32:13.400 --> 02:32:19.400 possible for everyone. When we add a substance to the water like fluoride, we remove citizens 02:32:19.400 --> 02:32:25.240 right to inform consent. Those who want fluoride have an easy way to assess it nowadays with tooth 02:32:25.240 --> 02:32:35.800 base, rinses, dental treatments. And in that in that speak, they could also maybe some of the 02:32:35.800 --> 02:32:40.600 money could actually instead of spending it on fluoride in our water size system maybe go 02:32:40.600 --> 02:32:45.640 towards some of those fluoride treatments in our schools for kids. I'm not sure what the cost of 02:32:45.640 --> 02:32:52.280 that would be, but that's an idea. However, people like myself that don't want to ingest fluoride 02:32:52.280 --> 02:32:57.000 don't really have an option to opt out of that unless we're going to do expensive filter systems. 02:32:58.120 --> 02:33:05.800 Mass distribution in the water supply is actually very inefficient. If you google searches, 02:33:05.800 --> 02:33:11.160 tells you that less than 1% of on average of municipal water is actually consumed for drinking. 02:33:11.880 --> 02:33:19.640 The rest goes for dishes, showers, watering lawns, etc. Also federal guidelines for fluoride levels 02:33:19.640 --> 02:33:25.960 have been lowered over recent years doing to growing awareness of overexposure. 02:33:27.160 --> 02:33:31.480 And I didn't know this. Things like, I never thought about it, things like processed foods. 02:33:32.600 --> 02:33:39.720 If food companies are using municipal water that has fluoride in it, that's being transferred 02:33:39.720 --> 02:33:46.360 into your food. So you're also ingesting fluoride that way and as well adding dental products on top 02:33:46.360 --> 02:33:52.680 of that. Finally, introducing industrial grade chemicals into our water system at the necessary 02:33:52.680 --> 02:33:59.000 operational costs and potential liability for the village. Our municipal's water department's 02:33:59.000 --> 02:34:03.880 core mission should be delivering clean and safe pure drinking water, not managing the complex 02:34:03.880 --> 02:34:10.440 dosing of a controversial additive in closing. I'm asking you guys to vote against fluoride 02:34:10.440 --> 02:34:16.680 back into our water supply or at least tabling it until you can have more input. Thank you. 02:34:17.720 --> 02:34:20.120 Thank you Scott. I'm sorry. 02:34:21.720 --> 02:34:26.360 It was just curious because you mentioned you've been in the village for 30 years and 02:34:26.360 --> 02:34:32.360 I appreciate your description of yourself as a crunchy person. So I was just curious. We've 02:34:32.360 --> 02:34:38.600 heard the topic of lake for folks that don't want fluoride in the water having some solution to 02:34:38.600 --> 02:34:44.440 that and I'm curious when there was fluoride in the water before. Did you have a system in your 02:34:44.440 --> 02:34:49.240 home or did you have some? What was your solution to that before, if any? That's a very good question 02:34:49.240 --> 02:34:54.120 actually. We actually have a whole house water filter system currently that removes chlorine 02:34:55.320 --> 02:35:02.040 before it comes into our house and we also have a Berkey water system that it's actually an extra 02:35:02.840 --> 02:35:09.800 it's very expensive to filter the fluoride out in addition to all of the other PFAS, etc. 02:35:09.800 --> 02:35:15.240 in the drinking water. So we actually filter the village's water now still 02:35:17.720 --> 02:35:23.560 and not just we don't have to do the fluoride anymore. So yes, it's very expensive though. Thank you. 02:35:23.560 --> 02:35:25.640 Okay. 02:35:31.720 --> 02:35:37.640 Sorry. The spot you used but you said expensive and I'm wondering if you could qualify that and 02:35:37.640 --> 02:35:43.080 sounds like you maybe have the system. So it's hard to talk about expensive the system but is there 02:35:43.080 --> 02:35:50.360 ongoing filters that you need to buy? Yeah. So there's the Berkey system itself comes with a 02:35:50.440 --> 02:35:59.640 filter system that's about $100 every six months which is much better. But you have to add fluoride 02:35:59.640 --> 02:36:09.080 filters to that which is about another $150 on top of the $100. So yeah. I also don't like them 02:36:09.080 --> 02:36:13.800 because they actually sit down in the water as well and they're plastic. So I don't know, 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:17.000 getting microplastics or fluoride at that point. 02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:23.960 All right. Yep. Thank you, Scott. Yep. Any more? No. Good. 02:36:26.360 --> 02:36:27.560 Grant Smith. 02:36:36.520 --> 02:36:42.360 Hi everyone. I'm Grant Smith. I live at 432 Windy Street and I've lived in the forest for three years. 02:36:42.360 --> 02:36:45.480 First of all, I want to thank the board for questions that are amazing tonight. I've been 02:36:45.480 --> 02:36:50.040 to Village Board meetings for over a year and this is probably the most engaged that I've ever seen 02:36:50.040 --> 02:36:56.040 in this board. So I really appreciate that. I'm here to show my support of reintroducing fluoride 02:36:56.040 --> 02:37:02.200 back into the water system for the village as a resident and as a taxpayer. The Center for Disease 02:37:02.200 --> 02:37:09.560 Control under current leadership supports fluoride and the official website that states 02:37:09.560 --> 02:37:14.600 community water fluoridation is the cornerstone strategy for the prevention of cavities in the 02:37:14.600 --> 02:37:19.960 U.S. It is a practical cost-effective way for communities to improve the resident's health 02:37:19.960 --> 02:37:27.000 regardless of age, education, or income. And also states that communities of 1,000 or more, so 02:37:27.960 --> 02:37:33.240 even smaller than the forest, see an average estimate return on investment of $20 for every 02:37:33.240 --> 02:37:40.520 dollar spot spent on water fluorideization. So actually this is a way to save money in the 02:37:40.520 --> 02:37:49.640 community and the reason that is is that for an average cavity cost between $150 to $450 02:37:49.640 --> 02:37:56.200 without insurance. That money, as opposed to going towards the cavities, can be reinvested 02:37:56.200 --> 02:38:02.040 into the community by these families who don't have access. Whether that's being able to afford 02:38:02.040 --> 02:38:06.120 to go out to you at local restaurants, being able to pay for a child's school clothes or 02:38:06.120 --> 02:38:12.600 supplies, gears and sport, gear for sports, participation fees, instruments, private lessons, 02:38:12.600 --> 02:38:20.440 etc. We can be investing in our children on money not spent on cavities. And again, 02:38:20.440 --> 02:38:24.520 if parents don't have to take time off for work to take their kids to the dentist's office, 02:38:24.520 --> 02:38:31.480 that's another two hours that they're not receiving pay. At scale, imagine how much this would 02:38:31.480 --> 02:38:35.720 provide to the entire village of the forest. It significantly outweighs the cost of putting 02:38:35.720 --> 02:38:41.480 fluoride in the water. Fluoride in the water makes our village a healthier and better place for all 02:38:41.480 --> 02:38:47.800 residents to live. Again, I'm Grant Smith and I live in the forest. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody 02:38:47.800 --> 02:38:51.880 of questions? Kayla Papci. 02:39:01.560 --> 02:39:05.960 Hi there. My name is Kayla Papci and I've been a resident and taxpayer 02:39:05.960 --> 02:39:10.040 in the forest for six years now. And I've been a dental hygienist for eight years. 02:39:10.680 --> 02:39:16.280 I'm here in support of putting fluoride back into the water. As a dental hygienist, I've seen first 02:39:16.280 --> 02:39:21.160 hand the benefits of having fluoride and our drinking water. Many of the children that end 02:39:21.160 --> 02:39:27.400 up needing fillings due to decay grow up on well water, which does not have fluoride in it. I have 02:39:27.400 --> 02:39:33.640 also heard from many older adults in their 70s and 80s who have a full mouth of teeth and they 02:39:33.640 --> 02:39:39.800 attribute that to fluoride in the water. Their parents who do not have fluoride growing up had 02:39:39.880 --> 02:39:46.760 dentures by age 30. About 75% of children in Wisconsin go to the dentist, which is great. 02:39:46.760 --> 02:39:53.320 However, what about the other 25% that can't? The reality is not all children are able to get to 02:39:53.320 --> 02:39:59.480 the dentist yearly and be able to receive fluoride treatments and just general dental care. Fluoride 02:39:59.480 --> 02:40:04.120 in our water is something small and relatively affordable that has an impact on the whole community. 02:40:04.760 --> 02:40:11.160 It helps prevent cavities and children, which helps kids and parents not miss school and work 02:40:11.160 --> 02:40:16.360 to go to the dentist. It helps the kids whose parents can't take them to the dentist for a 02:40:16.360 --> 02:40:22.120 variety of reasons due to lack of insurance, finances, or time. Getting a cavity filled when 02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:29.400 young will most likely turn into needing a filling crown or a root canal when older. 02:40:29.480 --> 02:40:35.160 A filling isn't supposed to last a lifetime. When it comes to the science about fluoride, 02:40:35.160 --> 02:40:39.240 which has been in our water for the past 80 years, it has proven to be a public health 02:40:39.240 --> 02:40:46.200 initiative that has really worked. The recommended amount of fluoride per liter is 0.7 milligrams. 02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:51.800 The CDC and the American Dental Association have come out and stated the recommended dose is 02:40:51.800 --> 02:40:57.880 healthy and does not have any long-term effects. Studies that are against fluoride are based on 02:40:57.880 --> 02:41:03.640 research that has water with 1.5 to 10 milligrams per liter, which is more than double what 02:41:03.640 --> 02:41:09.800 the forest has ever had. In Juneau, Alaska, local officials removed fluoride back in 2007. 02:41:10.360 --> 02:41:16.520 And since then, the community has seen an increase in cavities by 50%. We don't want to have numbers 02:41:16.520 --> 02:41:22.520 like that happen in the forest. It is not too late to reinstate fluoride back into our drinking 02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:27.560 water and help protect kids from painful cavities and parents from having to miss work and spend 02:41:27.560 --> 02:41:33.080 money and something that can be prevented. Please vote to reinstate fluoride back into our water 02:41:33.080 --> 02:41:42.360 system. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to take advantage of having a dental hygienist. I should have 02:41:42.360 --> 02:41:47.960 asked this before, but I missed my chance. So is there a difference between ingesting fluoride 02:41:47.960 --> 02:41:55.960 and the benefits of that versus topical fluoride? It is a different way of getting that fluoride 02:41:55.960 --> 02:42:01.560 into the teeth. So topical is like what you get with toothpaste, mouth rinse, top pull at the 02:42:02.120 --> 02:42:09.480 dentist, which is great, but not everyone has access to that. Trying to get a two-year-old to 02:42:09.480 --> 02:42:14.600 brush your teeth is nearly impossible. Can you get a two-year-old to the dentist? Maybe if the 02:42:14.600 --> 02:42:21.000 parents have that care and they can do it, but ingesting water, city water is something that's easy 02:42:21.960 --> 02:42:28.040 and relatively affordable for us to be able to do to help people get that. But it is a different 02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:36.200 mechanism of how it's ingested and how it helps the teeth. Could you elaborate on that? That was 02:42:36.200 --> 02:42:39.640 actually what I was more getting at. Was the hack decision to raise it better? Go on your 02:42:39.640 --> 02:42:47.480 differences between ingesting versus topical fluoride. It does the same thing. It's just how 02:42:47.480 --> 02:42:54.120 it's incorporated in the teeth. And ingesting it will help when the teeth are developing 02:42:54.120 --> 02:43:01.400 versus topical is helping remineralize the teeth as they are now. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. 02:43:01.400 --> 02:43:08.280 Thank you. And our last speaker is Brenda Stoutenmeyer. 02:43:20.440 --> 02:43:26.360 Thank you. Brenda Stoutenmeyer, 1278, Dodie Street, Green Bay. Sheila Howe, the 02:43:26.360 --> 02:43:32.520 divorce resident with the giant dragon on her porch has invited me over this past year to speak 02:43:32.520 --> 02:43:37.880 because she viewed me as the most qualified and knowledgeable to discuss fluoride. I'm the 02:43:37.880 --> 02:43:42.680 Wisconsin mom who sued the federal government over fluoride added to public drinking water in one 02:43:42.680 --> 02:43:48.680 after an extensive seven-year federal case. I've worked in the Wisconsin water industry for over 02:43:48.680 --> 02:43:53.800 a decade. I hold a degree in environmental engineering focused on water and wastewater 02:43:53.880 --> 02:43:58.760 and I've completed nursing prerequisites and attending college for cellular molecular biology. 02:43:59.320 --> 02:44:04.760 Human health in the environment is my interest. My day job is training water professionals across 02:44:04.760 --> 02:44:10.520 Wisconsin on ONM, safety, state and federal compliance. Despite social media attacks last 02:44:10.520 --> 02:44:16.360 year from patient Smith and others, I was training thousands of operators, engineers and DNR staff 02:44:16.360 --> 02:44:21.960 statewide. My work gives me access to industry discussions, emerging concerns and changes 02:44:21.960 --> 02:44:27.560 happening behind the scenes. Since the lawsuit victory, fluoride manufacturing and supply in the 02:44:27.560 --> 02:44:34.600 U.S. has quietly started shrinking. Plants have shut down or stopped selling fluoride chemicals 02:44:34.600 --> 02:44:40.680 altogether. I believe the reason is simple. Fluorides neurotoxicity established in our lawsuit is no 02:44:40.680 --> 02:44:46.520 longer a fringe issue and there are concerns of liability. The Obama appointed federal judge 02:44:46.520 --> 02:44:53.160 concluded that fluoridation at .7 milligrams per liter presents an unreasonable risk to health. 02:44:53.960 --> 02:45:00.280 Litigation made clear that much of what is presented as established fluoride safety relies on 02:45:00.280 --> 02:45:06.360 unexamined assumptions. Many medical professionals and members of the public are not aware of the 02:45:06.360 --> 02:45:11.480 current science or the federal case since new evidence can take years to reach widespread 02:45:11.480 --> 02:45:17.880 awareness. Trustee little noticed that many pregnant women she spoke with had never heard 02:45:17.880 --> 02:45:24.360 these concerns which highlights the responsibility on those informed in these meetings to consider 02:45:24.360 --> 02:45:29.880 and protect vulnerable populations. What I witnessed in the forest was not a scientific 02:45:29.880 --> 02:45:35.960 debate but a process shaped by social pressure, fear intimidation and narrative control. 02:45:35.960 --> 02:45:41.480 A PhD trustee nurse was pushed out on the board after supporting informed consent and personal 02:45:41.480 --> 02:45:46.360 choice. Meanwhile, residents were repeatedly giving outdated talking points that dismissed 02:45:46.360 --> 02:45:51.320 legitimate science and concerns about arsenic lead and aluminum contamination in the flow 02:45:51.320 --> 02:45:57.800 of salicylic acid chemicals. The MTP did a meta-analysis on all fluoride brain development studies and 02:45:57.800 --> 02:46:04.600 they found that of 72 studies on fluoride in the developing brain, 64 found neurotoxicity. 02:46:04.680 --> 02:46:10.440 Of the 19 studies, they concluded as the highest quality 18 fountain developmental neurotoxicity. 02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:17.320 Of the 11 studies, the U.S. National Institutes of Health have funded on fluoride and brain 02:46:17.320 --> 02:46:24.600 development, 10 of the 11 found neurotoxicity from fluoride levels experienced in optimally 02:46:24.600 --> 02:46:30.360 fluoridated communities. The issue has not been sustained by transparency. I'm sorry, your time 02:46:30.360 --> 02:46:34.360 is expired. Thank you. Questions, anyone? 02:46:47.000 --> 02:46:48.440 I'm sorry, someone what? 02:46:51.880 --> 02:46:56.360 She did not register to speak, so we don't have anything for her. 02:46:56.360 --> 02:47:00.520 I'll come here. 02:47:09.240 --> 02:47:15.160 Okay, that is everyone who has registered to speak tonight on that topic. 02:47:15.160 --> 02:47:20.200 Okay, so we'll go back to the agenda. 02:47:23.960 --> 02:47:30.920 Resolution 2026-057, resolution directing the director of public works through zone 02:47:30.920 --> 02:47:37.480 fluoridation of the village's public water system. I would entertain a motion. 02:47:37.480 --> 02:47:55.480 I have a question, and I think this can maybe go to Bill. I often get asked, can this be taken 02:47:55.480 --> 02:47:59.320 to referendum at this point, and can it be publicly explained, why or why not? 02:47:59.320 --> 02:48:07.320 I was preparing for this, so I'll let it go. 02:48:11.640 --> 02:48:15.480 If you had asked that question five years ago, I would have said, yes, you could have, you can 02:48:15.480 --> 02:48:24.680 send it to a referendum. In 2023, the legislature enacted a statute that prohibits municipalities 02:48:24.680 --> 02:48:32.120 from holding advisory referenda, except in certain specified situations. Most of them are 02:48:34.760 --> 02:48:38.600 situations where another statute requires an advisory referendum, 02:48:39.320 --> 02:48:45.320 sometimes in response to a petition, sometimes automatically. The only other exception is 02:48:45.880 --> 02:48:52.200 for approval of capital expenditures coming from taxpayer dollars. 02:48:54.120 --> 02:49:00.760 Because this is a project that would be funded through water utility revenues, as opposed to 02:49:01.480 --> 02:49:08.360 general taxpayer revenues, it doesn't qualify for that exception to that prohibition. 02:49:15.320 --> 02:49:17.320 Just have a comment. 02:49:19.640 --> 02:49:25.080 So, also before we vote, just on the resolution, I assume we would update it, 02:49:25.080 --> 02:49:30.280 but the date at the bottom of the resolution in our packets is incorrect, so just to make sure 02:49:30.280 --> 02:49:37.640 that's reflected correctly. I'm like that, sorry, and then I also, did you want to comment on that, 02:49:37.640 --> 02:49:44.040 where I have one more thing, Al? I actually just wanted to clarify. The referendum, if you could 02:49:44.040 --> 02:49:48.600 have one, if, for example, you were funding this with taxpayer dollars, 02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:52.600 would only be on the question of whether you should spend the money to put the equipment in. 02:49:52.600 --> 02:49:57.800 It would not be a referendum. You could not have a referendum question that asked, should we add 02:49:57.800 --> 02:49:58.920 fluoride to the water? 02:50:01.640 --> 02:50:08.280 Yeah, I'm sorry. I lost my train of thought come back to me. 02:50:09.160 --> 02:50:15.240 Oh, no, I remembered it. So, sorry. So, the way the resolutions worded, it also directs 02:50:16.280 --> 02:50:20.200 Village Shop to submit one or more applications to the Wisconsin Department of Health Services 02:50:20.200 --> 02:50:26.280 for available funding for equipment costs. I would like to see that include the grant that 02:50:26.280 --> 02:50:32.200 was spoken about by, I believe, Carrie from DHS tonight is, I'm not adding it to the, I'm just, 02:50:32.760 --> 02:50:42.200 it is. Okay. Got it. Thanks. Yeah. So, in the past, we've also discussed that if we do bring fluoride 02:50:42.200 --> 02:50:51.320 back away for residents to bring something to residents that don't want fluoride and to somehow 02:50:51.320 --> 02:50:59.320 subsidize that portion. And we did have a resident, Mr. Brian Brown, right to the board, 02:50:59.320 --> 02:51:06.200 and he kind of had a plan that maybe could work. I don't know myself because I didn't crunch the 02:51:06.200 --> 02:51:12.280 numbers and I don't know, but I thought it was interesting and warrants further conversation. 02:51:12.280 --> 02:51:21.000 My question is, if we were to do something like that, voting on this tonight, is that something 02:51:21.000 --> 02:51:27.000 that we, we could add in right now, or is that something that we should add in at a later time 02:51:27.000 --> 02:51:37.320 with a different resolution? Maybe can it be added? If we don't do that part tonight, can that be 02:51:37.320 --> 02:51:42.520 added as another resolution? Can that be brought back, or does it all need to be done tonight with 02:51:42.520 --> 02:51:52.680 this? If you're talking about, if I understand you're talking about doing something to allow 02:51:52.760 --> 02:51:58.040 people to avoid the fluoride in their system? Exactly. Yeah, that's something that certainly 02:51:58.040 --> 02:52:04.280 could be brought back at any time. I was hesitating only because I was trying to figure out whether 02:52:04.280 --> 02:52:09.880 that would fit under the agenda item that we have tonight, and I don't think it really would, 02:52:09.880 --> 02:52:14.840 but it certainly could be brought back at any time as a separate item. I did have another 02:52:14.840 --> 02:52:22.440 question too, which is a bit different. So, I guess this is probably for you, Al. I'm just kind 02:52:22.440 --> 02:52:29.640 of unclear as to, we're voting on this tonight, but we still have that pending, there's that pending 02:52:29.640 --> 02:52:35.880 lawsuit or whatever that we're waiting for a judge to rule on. How does that plan to this, or doesn't? 02:52:38.840 --> 02:52:43.640 From a legal standpoint, that lawsuit doesn't have any meaning to what you do tonight. 02:52:44.280 --> 02:52:47.800 In other words, there's nothing stopping you just because there's a lawsuit pending 02:52:49.080 --> 02:52:54.360 from you voting, whichever way you want to vote on this particular resolution. 02:52:55.560 --> 02:53:03.000 If that lawsuit were successful, the request, the relief requested in that lawsuit is an 02:53:03.000 --> 02:53:10.760 injunction, again, implementing the fluoride system, my sense is that that decision will be made long 02:53:10.760 --> 02:53:17.320 before any fluoride is ever going to see the inside of one of your pipes. So, if an injunction 02:53:17.320 --> 02:53:24.360 were entered, we would then have to stop the process of going forward with fluoride. 02:53:25.880 --> 02:53:30.760 Okay, so you're saying that even if we were, if fluoride gets re-implemented tonight, 02:53:30.760 --> 02:53:40.600 that lawsuit gets won by the person that brought it, that we could stop mid-term and 02:53:40.600 --> 02:53:44.600 not spend the money, or would we lose, I guess I'm wondering how does that come into play, or do we 02:53:44.600 --> 02:53:54.680 lose the money? Well, there's a process. So, upon, if the board approves the resolution, 02:53:54.680 --> 02:54:01.320 you're providing direction for staff to implement the process. As part of the process, depending on 02:54:01.320 --> 02:54:07.160 whether it's a phased approach or a whole approach, will indicate that there's some time in between 02:54:07.160 --> 02:54:14.120 there, whether it's four months or two months, to prepare the documents, to prepare the plans 02:54:15.080 --> 02:54:20.440 before this, before it's even bitted out, whether it's equipment or construction. 02:54:21.400 --> 02:54:29.880 So, I think what Hale is saying is that he believes that there's going to be a response from the court 02:54:29.880 --> 02:54:37.400 before, well, definitely before, you know, there's fluoride in the pipe, potentially before we even 02:54:37.400 --> 02:54:41.160 spend any money or go out to a bid or issue a bid at this point. 02:54:47.640 --> 02:54:55.800 Alicia. So, the question, would we have to make a new motion on the approach if we do full fluoridation 02:54:55.800 --> 02:54:57.400 versus a phased approach? 02:55:01.960 --> 02:55:07.400 Hale can correct me if I'm wrong here, but, you know, I think if you want that to be a part of the 02:55:07.400 --> 02:55:14.040 motion, you can amend your motion, or you can vote this one down and vote our new motion, or you can 02:55:14.040 --> 02:55:23.480 provide further direction. I'd like to amend the motion. I didn't have a motion. Oh, I thought, 02:55:23.480 --> 02:55:28.200 okay, so I'd like to, oh, I've actually made a calling made a motion, sorry. 02:55:30.520 --> 02:55:33.720 So, I'd like to make a motion resolution 2026, 02:55:34.600 --> 02:55:39.960 directing the director of public services to reserve fluoridation of the village public water 02:55:39.960 --> 02:55:50.840 system in a phased approach through the guidance of back here. What is legally, 02:55:51.800 --> 02:55:57.720 what is legally allowable within the DNR with wells two, three, and four? 02:56:06.920 --> 02:56:16.840 Just to clarify, so you're asking for the phased approach of reintroducing fluoride into the system 02:56:17.480 --> 02:56:23.640 activating wells two, three, and four. 02:56:27.000 --> 02:56:33.640 Question is whether or not to move forward with the improvements in 02:56:34.440 --> 02:56:40.600 while number two is presented in the memo from Verbecker 02:56:41.080 --> 02:56:46.440 the fall amount, or if we are talking just the fluoride cost? 02:56:48.920 --> 02:56:59.000 I'm so glad to start it over again. Because within that motion, I'm including the full 02:56:59.000 --> 02:57:08.440 of costs for wells two, three, and four. So, can I say, do you, it might be easier. If you want 02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:13.560 for your medicine to have fluoride back in, do you want a separate contaminant system at well 02:57:13.560 --> 02:57:18.520 to where we had onto well to, or are you asking me to put it back how it was prior where they're 02:57:18.520 --> 02:57:24.440 all in one room? I think what we broke down from the guidance is, yes, that the separate is 02:57:24.440 --> 02:57:31.080 basically best for the safety of the staff and you guys. So, that's ultimately what I think we 02:57:31.080 --> 02:57:37.320 should do for the best interests of everyone. So, if I can, I'll add to that. 02:57:38.120 --> 02:57:41.560 I'm assuming you want eventually to well six to have fluoride added in. 02:57:44.280 --> 02:57:49.960 So, if a phased approach, if I, I just want, I'm not, I'm just trying to clarify, would you like 02:57:49.960 --> 02:57:56.600 us to start three and four, which is the quickest of the timelines, which is probably four or five 02:57:56.600 --> 02:58:02.280 months? So, wells three and four, we can add fluoride and well two and six are going to take 02:58:02.360 --> 02:58:08.680 up to 14 months, if I recall correctly. So, those would be the fluoride to be implemented at when 02:58:08.680 --> 02:58:14.760 those well, wells are done. It's the cleanest way I can explain it, right? So, three and four are 02:58:14.760 --> 02:58:19.880 the quickest path to get fluoride back in. We won't be at the optimal level, but fluoride will be added, 02:58:19.880 --> 02:58:24.040 but two and six will take equivalently, roughly the same amount of time. 02:58:24.040 --> 02:58:28.200 Okay. Second. 02:58:31.320 --> 02:58:39.400 Can I just clarify? Sure. I tried to take everything and condense it. So, I said, 02:58:39.400 --> 02:58:45.960 willingness to approve resolution in a phased approach of adding fluoride into the water system 02:58:45.960 --> 02:58:51.480 under the guidance of what is legally permitted from the DNR for wells one, two, three and four. 02:58:54.360 --> 02:59:01.080 No one. Okay. Two, three and four creating a separate well room for well number two and adding 02:59:01.080 --> 02:59:13.720 a complete system for well number six. Does that capture everything minus well one? 02:59:14.360 --> 02:59:17.960 There is no well one. There is no well one. That's been captain. I know. Great. Sorry. 02:59:18.920 --> 02:59:25.640 Yeah. So, my understanding is we will begin the process if this passes for well three and four. 02:59:27.080 --> 02:59:31.080 Well, we'll begin the process for all the wells, but three and four will be turned on 02:59:31.800 --> 02:59:36.040 when the time when they're capable will be turned on. So, 02:59:38.120 --> 02:59:42.600 you don't need this in the motion, but in essence, we're submitting to the DNR three and four, 02:59:43.240 --> 02:59:49.160 because those will be the quickest for them to give approval, and then two and six will come 02:59:49.160 --> 02:59:58.760 at a different later point. I'm going to try to simplify this. So, it's my recommendation that 02:59:59.480 --> 03:00:05.960 the motion language reflect approval of the resolution with a phased approach, 03:00:06.680 --> 03:00:16.120 wells two and three first, and then wells three and four first, then wells two and six 03:00:16.920 --> 03:00:26.040 in the second phase. All starting at the same time. Yeah. Six. 03:00:36.840 --> 03:00:44.760 So, we have a motion and we have a second. Oh, I missed my second. Let's just confirm that the 03:00:44.760 --> 03:00:51.000 maker of the motion and the second are both comfortable with that language. Great. 03:00:54.200 --> 03:01:01.000 We have a motion on the floor as read by Brandy raising in wells three and four first, 03:01:01.640 --> 03:01:05.800 while getting two and six up and running at the same time. 03:01:06.600 --> 03:01:08.760 Meet standards they need to meet. Is that correct? 03:01:11.400 --> 03:01:13.320 All those in favor, Jim? 03:01:15.960 --> 03:01:20.200 I'm just in such a big hurry to get this motion business discussion. 03:01:21.640 --> 03:01:27.640 I do have one question that was brought up by the the testimony tonight, and I think I'm looking 03:01:27.640 --> 03:01:33.480 at Judd for this answer. Where does our flow right come from? We've heard that 03:01:34.040 --> 03:01:39.560 industrial waste, we've heard that it's pharmaceutical made. Do we have any idea? 03:01:40.440 --> 03:01:45.960 So, we order our hydrofluidic acid as well. We add to the water. So, that has an altitude 03:01:45.960 --> 03:01:52.120 compounds with that undiluted ads fluoride to the water. We order that from Martel 03:01:52.920 --> 03:01:59.960 and our salesman there, Jim. I could ask him where it comes from. I don't know that I've ever 03:01:59.960 --> 03:02:10.040 asked him that, but it's certainly not a powdery mix or the actual fluoride mineral. It comes 03:02:10.040 --> 03:02:18.600 through hydrofluidic acid. Thank you, Judd. And it's another question that I maybe, 03:02:18.600 --> 03:02:27.080 to Allen, there's like the EPA's looking into different questions. Do we know any timeline when 03:02:27.080 --> 03:02:36.520 that's expected? No, as I understand it there, the last time I checked that case that was referenced 03:02:36.520 --> 03:02:42.040 was on appeal and EPA was was challenging that that order that they look into it. 03:02:43.240 --> 03:02:46.920 I imagine they're probably looking into it anyway. I just don't know what their timeframe would be. 03:02:49.480 --> 03:02:58.840 Thank you, Allen. And I guess I'll state more of my opinion now or as far as like looking back at 03:02:58.840 --> 03:03:05.240 the history, there wasn't a whole lot of history put in our packet tonight. So, I just want to 03:03:05.240 --> 03:03:13.960 state that we had our first meeting back in November 18th of 2024. We had six meetings. We had as much 03:03:13.960 --> 03:03:21.560 or more testimony at pretty much all of those meetings. And on February 4th, 2025, there was a 03:03:21.560 --> 03:03:26.760 vote of three to four on a very controversial topic, the topic that's in front of us tonight. 03:03:28.120 --> 03:03:37.320 On November 4th, 2025, it was brought back here and was directed to staff to look and report. 03:03:38.200 --> 03:03:44.920 And that report was brought back to the village board on January 20th of 2026. Again, a controversial 03:03:44.920 --> 03:03:54.280 topic, a lot of discussion. And in that packet, there was 814 pages provided for trustees to review. 03:03:55.000 --> 03:03:58.760 And I know some of them reviewed it because I remember Brad commenting how 03:03:59.640 --> 03:04:07.480 how difficult it was to review that many pages. At that time, it voted three to three, which 03:04:08.120 --> 03:04:17.480 became a failed vote because of the time. So, we had multiple nights with lots of testimony. 03:04:18.840 --> 03:04:24.120 And I just feel that coming in tonight, when we had two different failed votes, 03:04:25.080 --> 03:04:35.400 and our votes to keep glory out of our water, that now with a matter of one meeting, we're 03:04:35.400 --> 03:04:42.760 voting to introduce it again. I think that's a disservice to the people that made those votes 03:04:42.760 --> 03:04:50.360 and the testimony that we heard over those eight meetings. I questioned the timing. 03:04:50.360 --> 03:04:57.640 I think we're implementing it too fast because I do think we had other committees do 03:04:59.720 --> 03:05:05.720 inquiries. Personally, think before we should vote at the village board, it should be sent back 03:05:06.280 --> 03:05:12.280 to the public services committee because they were the original ones that looked at this. 03:05:12.280 --> 03:05:18.680 We should be getting there. But I think there's opportunities for grants and subsidies. 03:05:19.640 --> 03:05:27.320 I think the resolution leaves room for that as it's direction for the director of public 03:05:27.320 --> 03:05:35.720 services to resume fluoridation. I think with that wording, there's an opportunity to discuss 03:05:35.720 --> 03:05:46.920 the level of resuming so that level could be partial of including money for grants or subsidies 03:05:46.920 --> 03:05:56.680 for osmosis and water cleansing systems for individuals. I think it would be good to delay a 03:05:56.680 --> 03:06:03.960 vote until we have a seven-member board. I'm a bit concerned that some of our board members 03:06:03.960 --> 03:06:12.040 are appointed and even the seventh one will be appointed. It'd probably be better to wait 03:06:12.120 --> 03:06:18.360 even until it was all people that were voted in. But at a minimum, we should have a seven-member 03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:27.400 board. I'm worried about the EPA reviews that I would hope we get back to, but we just heard 03:06:27.400 --> 03:06:35.640 tonight that we don't know when. We have studies that could be coming in and litigation that is 03:06:35.640 --> 03:06:41.640 pending. I think there's other opportunities that we could use this money to 03:06:42.680 --> 03:06:52.840 provide fluoride to our children through fluoride treatments, toothpaste, the different food pantries 03:06:52.840 --> 03:06:59.800 and things like that. So I'd be very much for delaying a vote or not even doing this at all. 03:07:00.440 --> 03:07:08.280 But really, they're not doing it at all. To me, that speaks to my choice and why I voted against 03:07:08.280 --> 03:07:14.920 putting fluoride in twice already is that I feel it's a personal choice. We heard tonight 03:07:15.560 --> 03:07:24.040 a good word of body. I can't even say that word. I'm not meeting. I'm not incoming. 03:07:25.320 --> 03:07:30.920 And I think it's physically irresponsible to be putting that in right now. And it should be part 03:07:30.920 --> 03:07:36.680 of the budget process if we want to move forward with this. So that's everything I have to say. 03:07:37.560 --> 03:07:38.040 Thank you. 03:07:42.840 --> 03:07:46.040 Anyone else have anything? Jan? 03:07:47.560 --> 03:07:54.120 Well, I agree with a lot of what Jim said, but this is going to happen tonight. 03:07:54.760 --> 03:08:01.160 And I guess I just want to move on to the next step saying that this has been a highly controversial 03:08:01.160 --> 03:08:09.320 issue. And there's a lot of emotion on it. And this vote's going to happen tonight. And there's 03:08:09.320 --> 03:08:17.160 going to be one side that feels that they got slighted no matter which way this goes. And I 03:08:17.160 --> 03:08:25.320 just hope that we can finally all remember that we are neighbors. And we can understand that we're 03:08:25.400 --> 03:08:31.480 going to have disagreements. I know that there's not one person in my life that I agree 100% 03:08:31.480 --> 03:08:40.360 with on everything. But I hope that people will get along again. I have just really saddened 03:08:40.360 --> 03:08:47.640 by the things that have been happening in the forest. I can't say that I have ever known it to be 03:08:47.640 --> 03:08:57.080 this awful. And I've been here most of my 60 years. So I hope it goes back. And I guess that's 03:08:57.080 --> 03:09:05.720 all I have to say. Thank you, Jim. All right, we have a motion. Jim? 03:09:07.480 --> 03:09:14.600 Can I offer up the debate or ask Alan, is there room to put in monies for grants or subsidies for 03:09:14.600 --> 03:09:20.120 individuals that have osmosis and stuff? And we look into that with this motion. 03:09:21.320 --> 03:09:26.920 Take that. I think that would be a separate program from the Florida Asian. I think it really 03:09:26.920 --> 03:09:31.000 would have to be listed separately on the agenda. And I'll look noticed. 03:09:31.320 --> 03:09:39.640 Certainly. Roll call, please. 03:09:47.400 --> 03:09:51.160 All right. Dan Stevenhegan-Ha. 03:09:55.960 --> 03:09:57.000 Alicia Williams. 03:10:01.160 --> 03:10:04.040 This is Brad Kord. Yes. 03:10:06.760 --> 03:10:08.520 Jim Sensen. No. 03:10:10.840 --> 03:10:18.520 Melanie Bartloff. Yes. Thank you. Colleen Little. Yes. 03:10:18.840 --> 03:10:25.400 Jim Carrey's word or two. 03:10:33.800 --> 03:10:38.840 Okay. Thank you. I think at this point, we're going to take a break. 03:10:39.160 --> 03:10:46.120 Let's resume about 8.30, please. 03:10:50.520 --> 03:11:08.600 Oh, 10 minutes. Okay, we're back at 8.33 p.m. 03:11:08.680 --> 03:11:16.600 Resolution 2026-059, a resolution adopting a policy for filling vacancies in village elective 03:11:19.960 --> 03:11:20.760 8.2. 03:11:24.360 --> 03:11:33.640 Well, by a golly, we do. Back up. Resolution 2026-058, a resolution authorizing the 03:11:34.040 --> 03:11:38.120 village administrator to execute a request for release of funds and certification, Alex. 03:11:39.160 --> 03:11:43.160 So this is listed under old business because I had brought this forward when we were still 03:11:43.160 --> 03:11:49.000 kind of navigating the transition with the pointing of village resident. About a year and 03:11:49.000 --> 03:11:57.400 a half ago, as part of the CDA's redevelopment project, is there anticipated to be federal funds 03:11:57.400 --> 03:12:02.440 involved in that? We performed what's called a part 58 environmental review, 03:12:03.240 --> 03:12:06.520 the village had involvement in reviewing that and certifying that. 03:12:07.640 --> 03:12:11.640 We did eventually make a finding of no significant impact on the environmental side, 03:12:11.640 --> 03:12:16.440 went through public comment period, noticed it appropriately, and then submitted to HUD, 03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:22.600 or since advised that HUD being the Department of Housing and Urban Development, excuse me, 03:12:22.600 --> 03:12:26.840 acronyms, that the recipient of that actually should not have been the CDA, 03:12:26.840 --> 03:12:30.520 it should have been WEDA because they're the ones that would actually receive the federal funds 03:12:30.520 --> 03:12:35.400 and partnering with the CDA to project-based housing choice vouchers in the new development. 03:12:35.960 --> 03:12:43.240 So we reissued the public comment period, or the notice went through the public comment period, 03:12:43.240 --> 03:12:48.840 did not receive any public comments, and now would be looking for a resolution to 03:12:49.720 --> 03:12:54.600 authorize a submission of the request for release of funds, which was included in your packet as 03:12:54.600 --> 03:13:00.280 an exhibit to this resolution 2026-058. Happy to answer any questions. 03:13:02.680 --> 03:13:04.200 Anyone have any questions for Alex? 03:13:07.320 --> 03:13:12.360 No, we have no public appearances on this. Is there a motion? 03:13:12.360 --> 03:13:19.240 I'll motion to approve resolution 2026-058. 03:13:19.240 --> 03:13:19.640 Second. 03:13:20.600 --> 03:13:23.960 Motion by Jim, seconded by Jan. Is there any further discussion? 03:13:25.480 --> 03:13:29.560 Motion is a resolution authorizing the village administrator to execute a request for release 03:13:29.560 --> 03:13:30.760 of funds and certification. 03:13:31.400 --> 03:13:33.560 All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. 03:13:34.120 --> 03:13:34.600 Aye. 03:13:34.600 --> 03:13:35.960 All those opposed, no. 03:13:37.000 --> 03:13:38.520 Motion carries and mostly. 03:13:39.480 --> 03:13:46.200 Now, resolution 2026-059, resolution adapting the policy for filling vacancies in village 03:13:46.200 --> 03:13:50.760 elective offices, built-in, and we do have one speaker registered. 03:13:57.960 --> 03:14:02.600 Yeah, so this policy was discussed, I believe, in the previous meeting and the meeting for that. 03:14:03.960 --> 03:14:07.480 As you know, we've had a couple of vacancies in our elective offices. 03:14:08.600 --> 03:14:18.360 And so this policy sets forth the process for appointment to the village trustee seat 03:14:19.000 --> 03:14:23.160 and also to the village president's seat. 03:14:25.240 --> 03:14:34.440 Happy to walk through the policy. Do note that the policy is intended to take action upon the 03:14:34.440 --> 03:14:38.040 village for deciding to appoint that office. 03:14:38.040 --> 03:14:42.840 If you remember, state statute says that you can either appoint or leave vacant or 03:14:43.640 --> 03:14:45.320 have it go to the special election. 03:14:45.880 --> 03:14:52.360 Again, the policy is intended to take place once you've made the decision to appoint that position. 03:14:52.360 --> 03:15:04.280 Okay, I keep yourself wishes to speak on this. 03:15:12.680 --> 03:15:13.960 I still live in the forest. 03:15:16.280 --> 03:15:19.800 I understand there is a need to fill the vacant trustee seat. 03:15:19.800 --> 03:15:23.960 And I recognize that the board has a responsibility to keep moving forward 03:15:24.600 --> 03:15:28.200 and ensure that village business continues uninterrupted. 03:15:28.200 --> 03:15:33.800 However, I am concerned that allowing six current trustees to select a seventh member 03:15:34.440 --> 03:15:39.880 concentrates that decision in the hands of a small group rather than the community as a whole. 03:15:41.000 --> 03:15:47.160 Residents elect officials with the expectation that those serving on this board 03:15:47.160 --> 03:15:50.200 would ultimately be chosen by the people they represent. 03:15:51.000 --> 03:15:54.280 Voting gives residents a voice and creates accountability. 03:15:54.840 --> 03:15:58.200 It also provides confidence that those making decisions 03:15:58.840 --> 03:16:02.840 on behalf of our village have earned the trust and support of the community. 03:16:03.640 --> 03:16:08.360 My concern is not directed at any individual who may apply for this position. 03:16:08.920 --> 03:16:13.160 I'm sure there will be qualified and dedicated applicants willing to serve. 03:16:13.880 --> 03:16:20.600 My concern is with the process itself and whether it reflects the values of representation 03:16:20.600 --> 03:16:24.920 and transparency that residents expect and deserve. 03:16:25.880 --> 03:16:32.200 A trustee who is selected by a small number of people rather than through community input 03:16:32.200 --> 03:16:37.080 may begin their service without the same level of public confidence or support. 03:16:38.040 --> 03:16:43.400 I ask the board to consider how public input can be included in this process 03:16:43.400 --> 03:16:46.040 so residents feel represented and heard. 03:16:46.760 --> 03:16:52.280 Whether through public forums, opportunities for community feedback or other measures, 03:16:52.280 --> 03:16:56.920 I believe involving the community would strengthen trust and ensure the process 03:16:57.480 --> 03:17:03.480 reflects the interests of the entire village, not just the preferences of the current board. 03:17:03.480 --> 03:17:03.960 Thank you. 03:17:04.920 --> 03:17:06.040 Thank you, Becky. 03:17:10.360 --> 03:17:11.320 Anyone have anything? 03:17:12.680 --> 03:17:13.080 Fred? 03:17:14.600 --> 03:17:16.680 I just had one comment on section four, 03:17:18.680 --> 03:17:25.320 number eight, or how to get a president's office filled. 03:17:25.320 --> 03:17:29.880 It says the village board may then determine the method to fill the vacant trustee office. 03:17:29.960 --> 03:17:35.800 I think that should just basically relate back to the process for filling 03:17:36.760 --> 03:17:39.640 the vacant trustee office that's stated above. 03:17:41.800 --> 03:17:45.640 Yeah, so you're talking about the last sentence there on the policy. 03:17:47.000 --> 03:17:53.800 I think that's intended to say once that village presidency is filled with a trustee 03:17:54.760 --> 03:18:01.000 that CC is vacated so then at that point the village board has a decision to make 03:18:01.000 --> 03:18:07.320 whether or not to have that go to election or special election or leave a vacant or automatically 03:18:07.320 --> 03:18:13.720 appointed. We were conservative in that we left that option open but surely you as the board 03:18:13.720 --> 03:18:17.960 can make that option to automatically go to the appointment process for that position also. 03:18:23.800 --> 03:18:28.520 Yeah. 03:18:31.880 --> 03:18:37.720 So I apologize. I don't want to call you, so I guess I apologize and everybody here for 03:18:37.720 --> 03:18:46.840 taking more time than I think maybe could have been taken but I got rather confused as far as 03:18:46.920 --> 03:18:56.520 the timelines of when we do appoint somebody or not. I'd say it was had to do with the general 03:18:56.520 --> 03:19:03.400 section I think or that that too because I don't know if that was necessarily following what I was 03:19:04.280 --> 03:19:13.080 hearing. I think what I heard last time and I guess I'm maybe looking at Brad and Alicia 03:19:13.160 --> 03:19:20.440 because I think you guys are once talking about it. If it was close to an election that we didn't 03:19:20.440 --> 03:19:26.920 want to appoint somebody because we wanted to say the fully elected or fully as elected as 03:19:26.920 --> 03:19:37.960 possible to appoint but the question I have is say if that happens say maybe December we really 03:19:37.960 --> 03:19:43.720 want to go through the effort of appointing somebody if they're just going to be elected 03:19:44.680 --> 03:19:51.160 month after they're appointed. Yeah so I think I think I've had a couple questions on this so 03:19:52.840 --> 03:19:59.960 remember that before making that decision to appoint if it's within 45 days or 60 days or whatever 03:19:59.960 --> 03:20:06.200 amount of days that you consider maybe too short for someone to serve you can simply leave it vacant 03:20:07.080 --> 03:20:13.240 instead of appointing then this this policy would not apply or you could choose to go to 03:20:13.240 --> 03:20:18.840 to wait till election to fill it. Again this policy only applies once you as the board have 03:20:18.840 --> 03:20:23.160 made the decision to appoint that position. 03:20:27.480 --> 03:20:34.840 Jan? I had the same conversation with Bill today because that was my question number two 03:20:34.840 --> 03:20:41.160 under the general rules for appointment and that time frame and he kind of and I guess that 03:20:41.160 --> 03:20:49.320 kind of answered the question that we don't have to fill the position but should that 03:20:49.320 --> 03:20:55.080 number should the number of days be changed anyways? I don't know how everyone else feels about it but 03:20:55.800 --> 03:20:59.960 I'd be open to that but it's just my two cents. 03:21:05.720 --> 03:21:07.560 You're saying it should be made longer. 03:21:13.320 --> 03:21:19.560 Al? Yeah I just wanted to point out that that 30 days was suggested by the board 03:21:19.560 --> 03:21:24.280 at the last meeting it doesn't reflect a recommendation by either of us. 03:21:26.040 --> 03:21:31.160 I remember right that was recommendation by one board member. 03:21:37.720 --> 03:21:38.840 Do we want to change it? 03:21:46.200 --> 03:21:47.640 Do we have any discretion in there? 03:21:47.640 --> 03:21:57.560 I don't know Mike how many does I feel it's okay I don't know what are you thinking Jan lower? 03:22:00.040 --> 03:22:05.000 It's okay if that's what everybody wants to do but otherwise I'd be open to changing it to like 03:22:05.000 --> 03:22:05.960 say 90 days. 03:22:10.760 --> 03:22:15.400 Fred? The reason I suggested that is because I know a lot of people at 03:22:15.400 --> 03:22:21.640 Angston we even waiting of 30 days to appoint a president so I thought not extending past 30 03:22:21.640 --> 03:22:26.920 days would probably be prudent for us to make that timeline and a quick you know change if 03:22:26.920 --> 03:22:31.560 we were doing a president spot for instance so I didn't want to wait 90 days if the current 03:22:31.560 --> 03:22:36.840 board didn't even want to wait 30 so that's why I came up with that number it's it's very random 03:22:36.840 --> 03:22:45.000 but again I think we can again choose to leave it vacant if we were going to do so this is 03:22:45.000 --> 03:22:48.280 only if we were the process for appointing. 03:22:53.560 --> 03:22:57.320 I think you're right about that I probably wouldn't want to wait 90 days I'm a president. 03:22:58.120 --> 03:22:58.360 Yeah. 03:23:00.840 --> 03:23:03.960 I'm fine with that the way it is what you all want to do. 03:23:06.120 --> 03:23:07.560 All right we'll take a vote on it. 03:23:08.360 --> 03:23:12.840 Make a motion to approve resolution 2026 dash 059. 03:23:12.840 --> 03:23:14.440 Motion by Brad is there a second? 03:23:15.720 --> 03:23:16.440 I'll second. 03:23:17.240 --> 03:23:19.160 Second by Jim discussion. 03:23:19.160 --> 03:23:20.680 Discussions or comments? 03:23:21.320 --> 03:23:22.200 Pardon me? 03:23:22.200 --> 03:23:26.760 I have what I believe some minor comments that I don't know how much discussion is 03:23:26.760 --> 03:23:35.400 worn with them but the section three or item four in section three I noted that it 03:23:36.200 --> 03:23:39.240 I think it said that it needed to be a regular meeting 03:23:42.200 --> 03:23:47.720 and I thought we could strike the regular meeting in case the future board wanted to 03:23:47.720 --> 03:23:51.880 make it a special meeting I didn't see any reason why it needed to be a regular meeting. 03:23:54.920 --> 03:23:58.120 I'm sorry I'm not able to hear you well enough down here. 03:23:58.120 --> 03:24:03.960 Sorry I'll speak so on item four that we have on the screen right now it says 03:24:03.960 --> 03:24:08.920 on closing an application the village board will review an application at a regular scheduled 03:24:08.920 --> 03:24:15.080 meeting I thought we should remove regular believe the option for the future board to 03:24:15.080 --> 03:24:24.520 do a special meeting if need be or wanted and I had a similar comment for that in the three 03:24:25.080 --> 03:24:30.760 five that are called out as a special meeting because I thought again that the village 03:24:31.480 --> 03:24:37.800 board or administrator at the time wanted it to be a regular meeting that that should be available too. 03:24:40.440 --> 03:24:42.520 So we'll just say village board meeting? 03:24:42.520 --> 03:24:50.920 Yeah I mean again the policy is up to the board I mean we put these these the regular 03:24:50.920 --> 03:24:55.480 meeting and the special language in because it's based off of what we're currently doing 03:24:55.480 --> 03:24:59.480 where this appointment process but that can be changed. 03:25:00.680 --> 03:25:06.760 I guess as the second I would ask the motion the strike that didn't just make them regular or 03:25:06.760 --> 03:25:10.200 board meetings. That's a friendly amendment. Thank you. 03:25:13.720 --> 03:25:19.560 Okay so the amendment is to strike any reference to special meetings. 03:25:19.720 --> 03:25:31.640 Yeah when and regular and just say village board yeah and then sections three number seven 03:25:33.000 --> 03:25:40.520 it talked about range choice and I firstly don't think that's the correct definition of 03:25:40.520 --> 03:25:48.360 range choice and I the way I was reading the three seven I don't even know if we need that line. 03:25:49.720 --> 03:25:53.800 Yeah well it's like you're grabbing. Yeah I just wanted to point out that that is a 03:25:53.800 --> 03:25:57.000 typo it's not a ranked choice it's the ranked choice. 03:26:00.760 --> 03:26:02.360 Motion got really bad candidate. 03:26:05.000 --> 03:26:07.240 Can you repeat the section? 03:26:08.360 --> 03:26:16.360 Three it's section three item seven says voltage shall be determined by a ranked 03:26:16.360 --> 03:26:22.360 choice voting or it should have been ranked. Should they rank but when I looked up the definition 03:26:22.360 --> 03:26:26.520 of ranked choice it didn't seem to be what we're specifying in here. 03:26:31.960 --> 03:26:40.840 So I think maybe we just leave that whole line out and just spell out what we're doing. 03:26:47.160 --> 03:27:00.520 So there's two different levels of grading candidates. The first is the grading of applications 03:27:01.080 --> 03:27:10.440 which is by the point system I highlighted here which I agree with you is not the same thing as 03:27:10.440 --> 03:27:17.960 our ranked choice voting system where the ranked choice voting system applies would be 03:27:17.960 --> 03:27:25.640 following the interviews so that we can get through what potentially could be a tie. 03:27:27.560 --> 03:27:32.920 So the ranked choice voting system would would ensure that there be a top ranked candidate. 03:27:33.640 --> 03:27:43.000 But you're saying ranked is an adding up the scores of everybody not the ranked choice voting 03:27:43.000 --> 03:27:51.320 that I have read it's getting to a 50% over a large candidate or a large voting pool. 03:27:51.880 --> 03:27:59.240 That's correct. So the way that ranked choice voting works is you pick your candidates 03:28:00.040 --> 03:28:07.400 in order of your preference and we'll take the tabulation and if there's a candidate that 03:28:07.400 --> 03:28:16.200 scores more than 50% that candidate is the candidate of choice. If there are no candidates 03:28:16.840 --> 03:28:24.440 over 50% the lowest scoring candidate but then get you know. 03:28:24.440 --> 03:28:29.080 Yep and that does follow my understanding. So that's what you're getting at there. 03:28:29.080 --> 03:28:30.120 That's correct. Yeah. 03:28:36.840 --> 03:28:45.240 And Colleen, I just would point out the ranked choice voting though it's three or more candidates. 03:28:45.240 --> 03:28:49.640 If you have two candidates you can always end in a tie because we had I had that when I sat there 03:28:49.640 --> 03:28:56.360 when it was between Chip and Dick Josephson. It was three three each way so if you did a ranked 03:28:56.360 --> 03:29:02.600 choice each candidate would have been at 50% there were no lower candidates to bump out so 03:29:02.600 --> 03:29:06.360 ranked choice needs at least more than two people. 03:29:11.160 --> 03:29:17.080 How many did we say we were bringing it down to candidates? 03:29:17.080 --> 03:29:24.840 I'll take five. So do we need to change something then? 03:29:25.800 --> 03:29:31.000 Quine flip. That's the default right? 03:29:36.360 --> 03:29:38.760 Are we good with it the way it is then or do we need to? 03:29:38.760 --> 03:29:45.800 I guess I just don't know how to change it and like Judd said it may 03:29:46.840 --> 03:29:52.520 be hard to choose but we'll just maybe have to deal with it at the time. 03:29:55.160 --> 03:29:56.200 Hope it doesn't happen. 03:29:58.680 --> 03:29:59.720 Hopefully I have five. 03:30:00.200 --> 03:30:05.240 So it looks like Bill's thinking. 03:30:06.680 --> 03:30:07.880 Yeah, it looks like he's thinking. 03:30:10.200 --> 03:30:12.360 It's going to speak. No, Al's going to speak. 03:30:14.440 --> 03:30:19.160 If you're concerned about a tie, the solution is not to change how you vote because it's always 03:30:19.160 --> 03:30:23.320 going to be a tie regardless of whether you do a ranked choice or whether you do it just as a 03:30:23.320 --> 03:30:30.120 straight out vote. In the case of an election if there's a tie vote then the 03:30:31.320 --> 03:30:36.760 winning candidate is selected by some luck of the draw process. 03:30:37.320 --> 03:30:40.760 Only names out of a hat, drawing straws, flipping a coin. 03:30:43.000 --> 03:30:49.000 We could add that as a fail safe if there's a tie vote into the policy if you want. 03:30:49.960 --> 03:30:54.520 But you have to decide then what method you want to use, you want to use a coin, 03:30:54.520 --> 03:30:55.640 did you want to use straws? 03:31:01.880 --> 03:31:05.880 Can we just leave it the way it is and hope for the best? 03:31:09.400 --> 03:31:14.920 I guess I like the idea of a coin flow because you don't want to be in a situation where we're 03:31:14.920 --> 03:31:17.880 just continually debating trying to break a tie. 03:31:19.560 --> 03:31:20.360 That's fine too. 03:31:23.240 --> 03:31:25.640 And then we'll get us to call the coin to us. 03:31:36.600 --> 03:31:38.440 Yeah, you're the maker of the emotional thread, right? 03:31:38.440 --> 03:31:54.920 Yes, no. I'll amend the motion to include a coin flip with the person with the earliest 03:31:56.520 --> 03:32:00.680 name in alphabetical last name is one and the second is two. 03:32:02.920 --> 03:32:03.800 Heads or tails? 03:32:03.800 --> 03:32:06.120 Are you serious? 03:32:08.760 --> 03:32:10.280 We want to get to detail. There you go. 03:32:18.200 --> 03:32:24.200 Order men in motion to include a coin in the event of a tie. 03:32:33.800 --> 03:32:41.560 Imagine if we had to debate this when it was contested. 03:32:43.960 --> 03:32:50.040 Hey, what if it's a woman with a hyphenated last name? Do we use the first of the hyphenated or the last? 03:32:52.840 --> 03:32:59.240 Okay, so I have court amended the motion to include a coin flip in the event of a tie with the earliest 03:33:00.040 --> 03:33:02.680 alphabetical last name being heads. 03:33:04.680 --> 03:33:06.200 It makes sense to me. 03:33:10.120 --> 03:33:13.080 Let's go for me. Okay, we're all good. Let's take a vote. 03:33:15.320 --> 03:33:17.480 All those, I think we are, aren't we? 03:33:21.000 --> 03:33:22.200 We're all good with the amendment. 03:33:24.680 --> 03:33:31.480 All those in favor of 2026-059, adopting a policy for filling vacancies as it has been read. 03:33:31.560 --> 03:33:34.200 Indicate by saying aye. 03:33:34.200 --> 03:33:34.840 Aye. 03:33:34.840 --> 03:33:38.200 Those opposed indicate by saying no. 03:33:39.400 --> 03:33:41.000 Motion carries unanimously. 03:33:42.520 --> 03:33:50.840 Resolution 26-0-6-0 resolution adopting core values for civility and conduct in the village of 03:33:50.840 --> 03:33:55.720 the forest. We have one person who would like to speak, Rebecca Withershon. 03:33:58.840 --> 03:33:59.400 Yeah, please. 03:34:01.480 --> 03:34:09.080 Oh, I'm sorry. 03:34:12.360 --> 03:34:13.560 Just sit there, Rebecca. 03:34:13.560 --> 03:34:14.920 Next step, speak. 03:34:14.920 --> 03:34:16.200 I can be quick. 03:34:16.200 --> 03:34:16.680 Just sit. 03:34:17.240 --> 03:34:27.000 So we previously discussed the last, I don't know, the adoption of core values 03:34:27.000 --> 03:34:31.160 or modifying and simplifying the core values from 12 to five. 03:34:32.280 --> 03:34:39.960 You'll see as part of the packet, a red line version, which indicates where we simplified 03:34:39.960 --> 03:34:43.640 and removed language and combined language. 03:34:45.400 --> 03:34:52.760 I do want to note that Trustee Corps recommended that the have fun section be renamed 03:34:53.560 --> 03:34:57.160 to enjoy the experience. I did miss that. 03:34:57.720 --> 03:35:01.720 So please, when you make your motion, if you still want that to be changed, 03:35:02.600 --> 03:35:05.160 have that be a part of your motion and I can be done. 03:35:11.560 --> 03:35:12.920 Okay, Rebecca, you can talk now. 03:35:14.520 --> 03:35:16.520 Nothing's changed, still, Rebecca. 03:35:17.640 --> 03:35:23.080 I support the adoption of the resolution adopting the core values for civility and conduct for 03:35:23.080 --> 03:35:25.400 the village of DeForest with a caveat. 03:35:26.120 --> 03:35:30.120 In today's political climate, at every level of government professionalism, 03:35:30.120 --> 03:35:32.600 respect and basic civility matter. 03:35:32.600 --> 03:35:37.080 They matter for this board, for village staff, and for the residents who place their trust in you. 03:35:37.640 --> 03:35:42.280 But I also want to respectfully say that this resolution does not go far enough. 03:35:42.840 --> 03:35:47.720 A code of conduct without enforceability is ultimately just a piece of paper with pretty 03:35:47.720 --> 03:35:49.800 words and good intentions. 03:35:49.800 --> 03:35:55.000 If there are no meaningful consequences, when those standards are violated, 03:35:55.000 --> 03:35:58.920 then the public has no reason to believe the code actually means anything. 03:35:59.560 --> 03:36:03.000 I say that not theoretically, but from personal experience. 03:36:03.000 --> 03:36:07.960 I found out the hard way that previous, that the previous code of conduct adopted by this 03:36:07.960 --> 03:36:12.280 board was completely unenforceful after I, as a then sitting trustee, 03:36:13.240 --> 03:36:18.600 was publicly treated in a manner that violated that code by two fellow trustees, including, 03:36:19.240 --> 03:36:25.880 I apologize, the now former, or the now current village trust president. 03:36:25.880 --> 03:36:30.600 To this day, that current village president has never apologized for her inappropriate 03:36:30.600 --> 03:36:36.120 public behavior toward me, despite the fact that I apologized to her for my own less 03:36:36.120 --> 03:36:38.600 than professional response to how I was treated. 03:36:39.320 --> 03:36:41.720 That experience taught me something important. 03:36:41.720 --> 03:36:45.480 Standards without accountability do not protect civility. 03:36:45.480 --> 03:36:51.400 They simply create the appearance of civility and allow discord to fester and grow. 03:36:51.400 --> 03:36:54.920 And if this board adopts a new code of civility and conduct tonight, 03:36:54.920 --> 03:36:58.920 the public will reasonably expect that it actually be enforceable. 03:36:59.720 --> 03:37:04.040 Residents will assume there is a process that complaints can be reviewed fairly, 03:37:04.040 --> 03:37:07.240 and that repeated violations will carry consequences. 03:37:07.240 --> 03:37:13.320 Otherwise, again, this resolution risks becoming symbolic rather than meaningful. 03:37:13.960 --> 03:37:19.080 I am not suggesting that every disagreement or heated moment should trigger punishment. 03:37:19.080 --> 03:37:24.440 Healthy disagreement is part of public service, but there must be some codified process for 03:37:24.440 --> 03:37:29.080 accountability when conduct repeatedly crosses the line. 03:37:29.080 --> 03:37:35.080 That could include formal censure procedures, written findings, mandatory mediation, removal 03:37:35.080 --> 03:37:41.000 from committee assignments, or other clearly defined consequences determined by the board. 03:37:41.000 --> 03:37:47.000 But without something enforceable, this code will likely end up exactly where the last one did, 03:37:47.000 --> 03:37:51.960 existing on paper while violations occur without consequences. 03:37:52.600 --> 03:37:56.360 So I encourage this board to adopt this resolution tonight, 03:37:56.360 --> 03:37:59.960 but I also strongly encourage you to not stop here. 03:37:59.960 --> 03:38:05.880 If civility and professional truly matter, then accountability must also matter. 03:38:05.880 --> 03:38:07.800 Thank you. Any questions? 03:38:10.840 --> 03:38:11.800 Yeah, thank you for that. 03:38:11.800 --> 03:38:16.440 Wouldn't the ethics board be your accountability measure? 03:38:18.040 --> 03:38:24.920 If there's no enforceable, the ethics code is related to financial stuff. 03:38:24.920 --> 03:38:27.320 It's not related to behavioral stuff. 03:38:27.320 --> 03:38:30.040 At least that's what my understanding was back in the day. 03:38:31.320 --> 03:38:36.440 I tried going that route. I was told that was not an option. 03:38:41.080 --> 03:38:45.400 I think the problem we've always had is that being elected officials, 03:38:45.400 --> 03:38:48.840 wasn't it? How do you take action? 03:38:49.400 --> 03:38:59.720 Well, you're going back a lot of years to something that I didn't think was that big a deal, 03:38:59.720 --> 03:39:01.720 but I will apologize right now. 03:39:01.720 --> 03:39:03.000 Thank you. I appreciate that. 03:39:03.000 --> 03:39:03.640 You're welcome. 03:39:03.640 --> 03:39:06.600 Yeah, and again, I do apologize for my reaction. 03:39:06.600 --> 03:39:08.360 It was really inappropriate. 03:39:09.480 --> 03:39:16.920 But yeah, just some kind of either make it very clear that it is something that is a standard 03:39:16.920 --> 03:39:23.080 you're adopting, but is not enforceable so that the public doesn't think it's enforceable, 03:39:23.080 --> 03:39:25.800 and that fellow trustees don't think it's enforceable. 03:39:26.360 --> 03:39:28.440 I get it. I just don't know how we're going to enforce it. 03:39:28.440 --> 03:39:31.000 Exactly. That's a tough one. 03:39:31.000 --> 03:39:31.880 Thank you. 03:39:31.880 --> 03:39:34.040 Mm-hmm. Okay. 03:39:41.080 --> 03:39:43.400 Did you have something to say? I forgot what you. 03:39:43.480 --> 03:39:49.000 No, I just raised my hand because I thought we were starting to enter the discussion. 03:39:49.000 --> 03:39:50.040 So I wonder now. 03:39:51.880 --> 03:39:55.720 I'll let her change the motion on resolution 206060. 03:40:01.800 --> 03:40:03.240 Okay, I'll make the motion. 03:40:04.200 --> 03:40:05.160 There's a second. 03:40:05.160 --> 03:40:05.560 Second. 03:40:07.160 --> 03:40:07.720 Discussion? 03:40:12.440 --> 03:40:16.680 I guess I'll start the discussion that to me was a my discussion, 03:40:16.680 --> 03:40:20.920 but it was talking about is there any way that make it enforceable or anything? 03:40:23.880 --> 03:40:24.920 In my opinion, no. 03:40:27.000 --> 03:40:32.680 These standards are written as basically a commitment that you are making to each other 03:40:32.680 --> 03:40:34.840 and to the public as to how you behave. 03:40:35.480 --> 03:40:37.720 The First Amendment lets you say whatever you want. 03:40:39.000 --> 03:40:40.840 Okay, with a few narrow exceptions. 03:40:40.840 --> 03:40:42.360 You can't yell fire in a theater. 03:40:42.360 --> 03:40:43.640 You can't defame people. 03:40:43.640 --> 03:40:46.840 You can't incite a riot. 03:40:48.040 --> 03:40:52.760 Short of that, the First Amendment protects political speech. 03:40:53.400 --> 03:40:58.520 It protects non-political speech, and it especially protects unpopular speech. 03:40:59.320 --> 03:41:01.720 We don't need a First Amendment to protect speech. 03:41:01.720 --> 03:41:02.840 Everybody wants to hear. 03:41:03.480 --> 03:41:10.200 So there's just no way to make it enforceable when the conduct that you're regulating 03:41:10.200 --> 03:41:10.920 his speech. 03:41:12.360 --> 03:41:14.280 And that's when most of the complaints come in. 03:41:14.280 --> 03:41:16.200 I don't like what that person said about me. 03:41:17.160 --> 03:41:20.520 That person's twisting what I said or whatever. 03:41:21.400 --> 03:41:25.960 People have a right to twist what you say, the right to say bad things about you. 03:41:26.040 --> 03:41:29.160 And especially when you're a public official, you have to be 03:41:29.160 --> 03:41:30.600 thick-skinned and accept that. 03:41:30.600 --> 03:41:33.000 That's just part of the way things work. 03:41:33.560 --> 03:41:42.840 So any kind of a governmental sanction on somebody for speech is going to be very suspect 03:41:42.840 --> 03:41:44.600 and is probably not going to survive. 03:41:48.680 --> 03:41:49.000 Jim? 03:41:51.240 --> 03:41:53.160 I thank you for that, Al. 03:41:53.160 --> 03:41:55.800 I can tell you two quick things. 03:41:55.800 --> 03:42:00.920 I do think we should add to the motion the change the have fun to 03:42:01.560 --> 03:42:04.200 was enjoy the experience or whatever it was. 03:42:06.200 --> 03:42:12.520 I personally, I mentioned that I'd like to have somewhere added into the wording. 03:42:12.520 --> 03:42:16.600 Probably not a title, but have a difficult conversation. 03:42:17.320 --> 03:42:18.840 I thought that was important. 03:42:18.840 --> 03:42:22.280 And I've had some difficult conversations. 03:42:22.280 --> 03:42:25.320 I say with some of the trustees and president up here. 03:42:25.320 --> 03:42:32.200 And I think that's really helps say circumvent a lot of misunderstandings and stuff. 03:42:32.200 --> 03:42:37.560 So I think it's important to have that somewhere in this document. 03:42:39.640 --> 03:42:44.360 The one thing I want to say and I guess does go to a little bit what you mentioned. 03:42:44.360 --> 03:42:50.600 Alan is that I think we all have different definitions of what we're really reading because 03:42:50.600 --> 03:42:55.960 I can tell you tonight, I'll read it right here in the resolution. 03:42:56.920 --> 03:43:03.240 The whereas the atmosphere of insubility and disrespect can have a damaging effect on the 03:43:03.240 --> 03:43:09.800 proceedings, the quality of debate, and the practice of Democrats itself. 03:43:10.680 --> 03:43:12.600 I feel we had that here tonight. 03:43:13.560 --> 03:43:18.280 In my opinion, this the 23 years that I've been on committees, 03:43:18.280 --> 03:43:22.360 I think this has been the most detrimental we've had just to keep 03:43:22.360 --> 03:43:24.840 bringing back topics over and over again. 03:43:25.800 --> 03:43:27.960 But I can understand that's my opinion. 03:43:28.520 --> 03:43:30.760 I is a strong opinion for myself. 03:43:32.120 --> 03:43:35.320 That's obviously not the opinion that's held by everybody on the board. 03:43:36.120 --> 03:43:41.960 So that goes to prove that there's many different definitions of individual words as we read this. 03:43:42.680 --> 03:43:46.120 So I don't quite know how we enforce something. 03:43:46.680 --> 03:43:51.560 You say that it'd be hard to enforce speech and we're really it's hard to enforce anything 03:43:51.560 --> 03:43:56.120 when everybody else has different definitions of individual words that we have here. 03:43:56.120 --> 03:44:06.040 I guess if it was me, I wouldn't want to do a motion on this agenda item tonight 03:44:06.600 --> 03:44:17.720 as I feel it's a little bit disingenuous or insincere to be acting on this tonight. 03:44:17.720 --> 03:44:22.840 Anybody? 03:44:27.720 --> 03:44:33.480 Well, then why don't we just forget even having core values in our in a resolution? 03:44:39.000 --> 03:44:45.000 Well, I have a we have a motion in a second and then Jim made our friendly as well on that. 03:44:45.000 --> 03:44:49.560 So they can just drop it. 03:44:55.720 --> 03:44:56.200 I'm sorry. 03:44:58.520 --> 03:44:59.480 We're still in discussion. 03:45:00.840 --> 03:45:06.520 I think we took the time to discuss this at the last meeting and put our input 03:45:07.880 --> 03:45:13.000 and not taking away from the sentiments of the other trustees that I think that we can move 03:45:13.080 --> 03:45:21.240 forward with this and the staff is also taking the time to do this as well. So that's my opinion. 03:45:23.400 --> 03:45:29.320 That's fine with me. It's too bad we even need to have something to talk about civility and conduct 03:45:29.320 --> 03:45:37.480 when it should just be good old decent human behavior. But do we have a motion in a second? 03:45:38.440 --> 03:45:48.520 Maybe do I guess can I officially ask for the friendly to change the have fun to enjoy the experience? 03:45:49.480 --> 03:45:56.760 And could I ask probably and the take the responsibility to build trust if we could add a 03:45:56.840 --> 03:46:00.520 sentence in there is to have the difficult conversations? 03:46:15.720 --> 03:46:20.440 Brandy? Hey, thank you. Do you want me to read it? Oh, God, please. 03:46:21.320 --> 03:46:25.560 Okay, I have a motion by little seconded by Williams and that I have 03:46:27.000 --> 03:46:31.560 sent some made a friendly to add the motion to change have fun to enjoy the experience 03:46:32.200 --> 03:46:38.360 and undertake responsibility to build trust and have the difficult conversations. 03:46:39.080 --> 03:46:53.400 Something? So I have to second that again. No, no, I made the motion. Yeah, he made the friendly 03:46:56.360 --> 03:47:02.280 to the person making the motion. Okay, the person making the motion and the second have to accept 03:47:02.280 --> 03:47:05.080 the amendment. We accept the amendment. 03:47:09.320 --> 03:47:13.320 All those in favor of the resolution is read by Brandy, but we're saying aye. 03:47:13.320 --> 03:47:21.080 Aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. No. What do we got? I have the one. Motion carries. 03:47:25.080 --> 03:47:31.960 Thank you. Resolution designating the river turn phase three park as river bend park. 03:47:32.920 --> 03:47:38.120 Good staff presentation. Yes, so let's recall river bend phase 03:47:40.280 --> 03:47:46.040 three park is what is currently in the river's turn phase three park. We put this out 03:47:47.640 --> 03:47:51.640 before the public services committee and back to you to bring forth the three names that we 03:47:51.640 --> 03:47:56.920 ultimately put forth before the village and engaged a forest that went to the vote and engaged a 03:47:56.920 --> 03:48:03.640 forest. We had 28 votes for sedge metal park, 216 votes for river bend park and then 76 votes 03:48:03.640 --> 03:48:10.680 for stone crop park. So ultimately the people who voted on engaged a forest chose river bend 03:48:10.680 --> 03:48:15.720 park. So ultimately that staff recommendation ultimately it's up to you all whether you want 03:48:15.720 --> 03:48:22.920 to change the name of that or to officially name that river bend park. Thank you. We have no public 03:48:22.920 --> 03:48:30.200 appearances on that. Is there a motion? We'll make a motion. Motion by Jan. Is there a second? 03:48:30.200 --> 03:48:37.640 I'll second. Second by Jim. Motion 20260061, never designating river turn phase three park 03:48:37.640 --> 03:48:43.080 as river bend park. All those in favor into capis saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. 03:48:43.960 --> 03:48:50.760 Motion carries unanimously. New business ordinance 20260006, an ordinance to rezone 03:48:50.760 --> 03:48:57.320 approximately 0.47 acres of the parcel named on the agenda within the time of Vanna in the 03:48:57.320 --> 03:49:03.880 deforest Vanna extraterritorial zoning jurisdiction. Brandi, you want to present on it or send the 03:49:03.880 --> 03:49:12.520 packets? Just really quick because I do want to just point out one thing to take away any confusion. 03:49:13.480 --> 03:49:22.360 So this is a request for a residential rezone from a larger parcel. It's a mom and a daughter 03:49:22.360 --> 03:49:26.920 that own land together. The daughter would like to make her land a little bit larger. 03:49:27.880 --> 03:49:36.680 But where her site is is currently zoned RE2. The other lot is our H1 which is rural. You can't 03:49:36.680 --> 03:49:42.920 combine two lots and have multiple zoning on the same lot. So we're combining a lot to make a 03:49:42.920 --> 03:49:49.320 larger lot for the residential parcel while still remaining under the bulk standards for the RH1 03:49:49.320 --> 03:49:55.880 parcel. Just want to clarify. So the certified survey map for this is not approved by the village 03:49:55.880 --> 03:50:01.640 because it is in the town. We do do a review on certified survey maps for the towns. But those 03:50:01.720 --> 03:50:08.440 are all done by Dane County. So one of the things, questions that was asked was the math doesn't 03:50:08.440 --> 03:50:15.960 really math in the numbers that I have in the staff report. So I just wanted to explain that a 03:50:15.960 --> 03:50:25.160 little bit. The parcel that's being rezoned is .47 acres approximately. That's based on aerial 03:50:25.160 --> 03:50:31.080 dynamics, things like that. It's not going off of the certified survey map at this point. 03:50:31.960 --> 03:50:41.080 So it's approximately one acre total that's going to have the zoning on the RE2 district. 03:50:41.880 --> 03:50:49.400 We just don't have the exact pinpoint how many square feet acres it's going to be with the 03:50:49.400 --> 03:50:53.880 right away and everything else that's included with the town approvals. So just wanted to clarify 03:50:53.880 --> 03:51:02.440 that for you guys. But that is basically it. So I will be quiet. Thank you. We have no public 03:51:02.440 --> 03:51:09.000 appearances on that. Is there a motion to approve 2026 006? Motion to approve. 03:51:09.640 --> 03:51:12.840 Second by Brad. Seconded by Melanie. Any discussion? 03:51:15.080 --> 03:51:22.040 All in favor and a key by saying aye. Aye. Opposed or opposed no. Motion carries unanimously. 03:51:22.920 --> 03:51:31.800 Ordinance 2026 007. In order to rezoned 11 acres from the AB Agricultural Business Zoning District 03:51:31.800 --> 03:51:39.800 to M1 restricted industrial district located west of highway I interstate overpass in the town of 03:51:39.800 --> 03:51:47.240 Vienna. Again the deforest Vienna extraterritorial zoning jurisdiction. Randy. Would you like me to 03:51:47.240 --> 03:51:55.240 do an overview? I can't. I will really quick. So this is property located in Zoe Lane which is 03:51:55.240 --> 03:52:05.880 just north of highway V and would be west of a portion of County Highway I picture in your mind 03:52:05.880 --> 03:52:10.920 where the new hotel is going over in that kind of area over there Exxon Mobil things like that. 03:52:10.920 --> 03:52:15.400 So way north of that there's a plot of land actually Bill has it up on the screen now. 03:52:16.360 --> 03:52:22.520 That was used for agricultural business and now they're looking at converting and being able to 03:52:22.520 --> 03:52:32.280 do like EV sales of more of like delivery truck small you know kind of utility vehicles like that. 03:52:32.280 --> 03:52:36.360 In order to be able to do that that's not permitted in the agricultural business. 03:52:36.360 --> 03:52:41.640 Agricultural business is strictly for as it sounds agricultural equipment farm equipment 03:52:41.640 --> 03:52:49.320 things like that. The rezoning is proposed over to the M1 because it is the most restrictive 03:52:49.320 --> 03:52:54.040 industrial district. We don't want to have large manufacturing or anything in this specific area 03:52:54.040 --> 03:53:00.920 but industrial you know does allow for this kind of restrictive use. Comprehensive plan also does 03:53:00.920 --> 03:53:07.640 allow for it in the town's comprehensive plan does also coordinate with that. So any questions 03:53:07.640 --> 03:53:11.160 I'm more than half of the answer to them. 03:53:17.480 --> 03:53:21.480 I'm sorry nobody has any questions we have no public appearances is there a motion to approve 03:53:21.480 --> 03:53:31.720 2026 007 motion to approve 2026 007 motion by Jim is there second second second by Alicia 03:53:32.600 --> 03:53:41.000 Bowles the favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed no. Thank you and must approve. 03:53:42.440 --> 03:53:48.840 Resolution 2026 0062 resolution accepting the lowest qualified bid and awarding a contract 03:53:48.840 --> 03:53:53.400 with a construction of a roundabout at Williamsburg Way and Peterson Gross and Boulevard. 03:53:54.040 --> 03:53:59.720 Do you have anything to say? There's been one packet as an underground as the parent low bidder. 03:53:59.800 --> 03:54:04.520 We have had no issues with them working in the past so we recommend accepting this 03:54:04.520 --> 03:54:12.920 lowest qualified bid. No public appearances is there a motion resolution 2026 0062. 03:54:12.920 --> 03:54:21.160 I'll make a motion to approve a resolution 2026 0060. Is there a second? I'll second it. 03:54:22.120 --> 03:54:29.080 Any discussion? Jim. I'm wondering if you know who the roundabout designer is. 03:54:29.960 --> 03:54:35.000 This is curiosity. We worked with KL engineering for the design of the roundabout. 03:54:37.800 --> 03:54:40.360 Okay. Anything else? 03:54:44.040 --> 03:54:48.120 All those in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. 03:54:48.120 --> 03:54:51.320 All opposed no. Resolution period. 03:54:51.400 --> 03:54:59.160 Absolutely. Ordinance 2026 008 an ordinance to approve 7th amended preliminary development plan 03:54:59.720 --> 03:55:02.360 for the Conservancy Place planned unit development. 03:55:04.440 --> 03:55:09.720 Do we have Mr. Roth for the Mark Troft about two hours ago? I don't blame him. 03:55:10.840 --> 03:55:16.200 So I'll up and shit here. It's memo in the packet. It's helpful to kind of paint the picture here. 03:55:16.760 --> 03:55:22.840 And this is an amendment to the PDP associated with the Conservancy Place planned unit development 03:55:22.840 --> 03:55:27.480 which is out by the athletic complex by the ball fields there for orientation. 03:55:28.360 --> 03:55:34.520 Driven primarily by a proposed senior housing development that P&Z had a concept presentation 03:55:34.520 --> 03:55:40.360 I forwarded you the recording for that. Mark, hopefully in the exhibit here had sort of a 03:55:40.360 --> 03:55:46.920 pseudo track changes where he highlighted in yellow the amendments that were related to that 03:55:46.920 --> 03:55:55.480 development in green the amendments that were related to an addition of unit counts for owner 03:55:55.480 --> 03:56:01.160 occupied duplexes and then in blue sort of miscellaneous cleanup amendments as well. 03:56:01.880 --> 03:56:10.440 High level this would increase the overall housing unit cap from 1330 to 1368 03:56:11.080 --> 03:56:17.640 an increase of 30 and that would allow for the addition of those condo units in what is deemed 03:56:17.640 --> 03:56:25.880 the Knowles. I don't know if anybody's got GIS on the screen here but I can highlight where that 03:56:25.880 --> 03:56:38.200 is off of river road. Yup vacant land through there and then the PDP amendment also exempts 03:56:39.400 --> 03:56:47.480 institutional residential use up to 140 units for this sort of senior continuum of care facility 03:56:48.040 --> 03:56:53.400 from the unit count as well. It also includes a use restriction of that so it has to be elderly 03:56:53.400 --> 03:56:58.920 senior or elderly houses for at least 30 years. That development would eventually have to come in 03:56:58.920 --> 03:57:05.160 for a conditional use permit and then have to comply with restrictions around that too. 03:57:07.400 --> 03:57:12.680 I guess I can kind of pause the presentation there. I think there may be some questions. 03:57:12.680 --> 03:57:17.560 I think Mark also referred to a master development agreement which governs the entire 03:57:17.560 --> 03:57:24.440 conservancy place PUD. That is something that is currently being negotiated and I'll probably 03:57:24.440 --> 03:57:29.960 lean on Bill and Al for a status update on that but I'll pause there and then we can get into discussion. 03:57:33.480 --> 03:57:41.480 So regarding the master development agreement that is the tool or document that ties this approval 03:57:41.480 --> 03:57:48.840 the PDP to the right of first refusal or the land and property that is immediately adjacent 03:57:48.840 --> 03:57:56.920 to the athletic complex. We are currently negotiating that master development agreement and have not 03:57:56.920 --> 03:58:08.200 yet received the response to our most recent red lines to them and so although it does not require 03:58:09.160 --> 03:58:19.320 a digital tie between or conflict between the PDP as written here and what is ultimately 03:58:19.960 --> 03:58:27.000 will end up in the master development agreement. This board could potentially 03:58:27.640 --> 03:58:40.360 confirm the MDA, ensure that the MDA gets to an agreement by conditioning it, 03:58:40.920 --> 03:58:46.520 conditioning this ordinance upon approval of that master development agreement. 03:58:49.480 --> 03:58:52.040 Sorry it's getting late. I'll go into my words. 03:58:52.040 --> 03:59:03.880 I'm sorry. Great go ahead. Yeah a couple questions. Was this restriction on the number of units 03:59:03.880 --> 03:59:10.360 for conservancy place specifically or the village? Conservancy place within the planned unit development. 03:59:10.360 --> 03:59:15.080 Great and then the second one the video you sent it was great. I appreciate that. 03:59:15.960 --> 03:59:20.040 The only thing I saw them show though was the development on the north side of innovation, 03:59:20.040 --> 03:59:23.960 not the south. Is that all included or just the north we're talking about right now? 03:59:24.840 --> 03:59:29.240 So it would just be whoever's got the cursor it's just along those parcels now is the 03:59:30.280 --> 03:59:35.960 senior development which I will just to clarify is separate from this. This amendment would 03:59:35.960 --> 03:59:43.080 enable that development to move forward with its approval process. So this the PDP that we're 03:59:43.080 --> 03:59:49.000 reviewing covers a much larger section of the village out in that area but within that 03:59:49.720 --> 03:59:54.840 EDP or planned unit development the senior development is taking place on the north side of innovation. 04:00:05.160 --> 04:00:12.040 So if the village board were to consider this amendment as is it sounds like what Bill 04:00:12.520 --> 04:00:17.160 and potentially Al would be recommending too would be to add a condition of approval that the 04:00:17.160 --> 04:00:22.280 master development agreement also be approved and I'm assuming the right of first refusal as well. 04:00:24.680 --> 04:00:31.320 The first the right of first refusal is an exhibit or to the master development agreement. So upon 04:00:31.320 --> 04:00:37.000 approval of the agreement we would be agreed to the right of first refusal and would just require 04:00:37.000 --> 04:00:43.080 execution. And so both of those documents or I guess that document with its accompanying exhibit 04:00:43.080 --> 04:00:46.200 would come before you all for review at a future board meeting as well. 04:00:53.800 --> 04:00:55.720 Okay and we have no public appearances on that. 04:00:57.800 --> 04:00:58.600 It's our motion. 04:01:01.080 --> 04:01:06.440 I'll make the motion to approve 2026 008. Second. 04:01:07.640 --> 04:01:12.040 Are we adding that contingency to your motion Jim? Sure. 04:01:13.320 --> 04:01:17.880 Yes. Yes. Okay. Motion by Jim. Seconded by Brad. 04:01:19.960 --> 04:01:24.840 It's 2026 008. Approving a Seventh Amendment Preliminary Development Plan. 04:01:26.600 --> 04:01:30.840 The Conservancy Place Plan Unit Development. Adding the condition of approval of the 04:01:30.840 --> 04:01:34.360 master development agreement. Is that correct? That's correct. 04:01:43.320 --> 04:01:45.880 Okay. All those in favor and a cape I say aye. 04:01:47.160 --> 04:01:52.520 Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I. Opposed no. Motion carries unanimously. 04:01:54.680 --> 04:02:03.320 Passing. Ordinance 2026 009. Ordinance amending Section 1107. In creating section 15.046 04:02:04.040 --> 04:02:09.640 of the deforest municipal code restricting residency of sect offenders. Chief Olsen. 04:02:13.080 --> 04:02:17.760 Let me just open a quick point. 04:02:17.760 --> 04:02:21.160 I know there's probably a few questions about these, whatever you hear, the word registered 04:02:21.160 --> 04:02:23.320 sex offender generally causes some angst. 04:02:23.320 --> 04:02:29.520 I do want to clarify a few things and I may have to rely on our house of legal wisdom 04:02:29.520 --> 04:02:34.240 to my right, just in case there's some questions I don't really have for you or answers directly 04:02:34.240 --> 04:02:35.400 for you. 04:02:35.400 --> 04:02:39.280 So this ordinance was adopted about a year ago. 04:02:39.280 --> 04:02:44.600 Not even, I don't even think it's that one, but it set the area where a registered sex 04:02:44.600 --> 04:02:48.600 offender could live a thousand feet from a safety zone, basically creates a safety buffer 04:02:48.600 --> 04:02:51.080 around certain parts of the building. 04:02:51.080 --> 04:02:55.600 And now this comes to you as a resident, like in an enforcement, a better place for it to 04:02:55.600 --> 04:02:59.360 live is in the zoning code, and we'll kind of walk through a little bit of how this all 04:02:59.360 --> 04:03:00.360 came to be. 04:03:00.360 --> 04:03:04.360 So it sets a protective zone and here's some of the places that it protects, right? 04:03:04.360 --> 04:03:09.280 Schools, public parks, private parks, park facilities, playgrounds, confirmed area, recreation 04:03:09.280 --> 04:03:11.200 areas, childcare centers. 04:03:11.200 --> 04:03:17.600 So basically, whatever the distance that I'm recommending, 750 feet from the edge of the 04:03:17.600 --> 04:03:19.400 property line creates a buffer. 04:03:19.400 --> 04:03:26.640 I'm going to show you some photos or some maps that Greg created for us here to hopefully 04:03:26.640 --> 04:03:28.720 add a little bit of clarity to it. 04:03:28.720 --> 04:03:30.480 That's the purpose of this. 04:03:30.480 --> 04:03:31.480 Okay. 04:03:31.480 --> 04:03:37.640 So registered sex offender can reside, they can't reside inside that safety zone. 04:03:37.640 --> 04:03:45.360 Now with that, the other thing that we have to consider is when you look at the linear 04:03:45.360 --> 04:03:51.960 distance, one of the other parts of an ordinance like this creates the lack of clustering. 04:03:51.960 --> 04:03:57.320 In other words, you can't restrict so much of the village housing that a sex offender 04:03:57.320 --> 04:04:02.360 is all live in like a square root block and they make their own little neighborhood. 04:04:02.360 --> 04:04:04.600 It's not exactly the best either. 04:04:04.600 --> 04:04:08.960 So those are just a couple of things to consider. 04:04:08.960 --> 04:04:15.320 I did take this to public safety, I think last week, days are blending, I'm sorry. 04:04:15.320 --> 04:04:22.280 We had a robust discussion about it there, they unanimously approved the 750 feet. 04:04:22.280 --> 04:04:26.520 The other considerations that we looked at were 500 feet and 1,000 feet. 04:04:26.520 --> 04:04:31.720 So just to put it in context, if you think about a village block, it's about 500 feet. 04:04:31.720 --> 04:04:32.720 Okay. 04:04:32.720 --> 04:04:39.880 So 750 feet of one and a half blocks is a safety zone where somebody can't live. 04:04:39.880 --> 04:04:44.080 So I asked Greg to create a bunch of maps. 04:04:44.080 --> 04:04:46.360 Thank God Greg created a bunch of maps. 04:04:46.360 --> 04:04:52.560 I probably have like 30 emails full of maps right now, but they do kind of add some context. 04:04:52.560 --> 04:04:56.840 So one thing to consider is you have to have available house. 04:04:56.840 --> 04:05:02.200 I'll also anecdotally throw out this before I came to the forest, one of the, my last 04:05:02.200 --> 04:05:07.680 command at MPD was sensitive primes and one of my duties was our sex offender unit and 04:05:07.680 --> 04:05:11.760 we had an ordinance that was so restrictive, we got sued for it. 04:05:11.760 --> 04:05:12.760 Okay. 04:05:12.760 --> 04:05:16.360 Mount Pleasant has also been sued previously because they tried to rule out their entire 04:05:16.360 --> 04:05:19.880 community and that's not going to work. 04:05:19.880 --> 04:05:24.520 So part of this is also trying to mitigate the risk of lawsuit and things like that because 04:05:24.520 --> 04:05:27.080 you have to have available housing. 04:05:27.080 --> 04:05:33.080 You can see when you look at your elementary and 500 feet because of the different corners 04:05:33.080 --> 04:05:37.160 of the property, some of the circles look a little bit out long and that's because it's 04:05:37.160 --> 04:05:38.160 from the property line. 04:05:38.160 --> 04:05:39.160 Okay. 04:05:39.160 --> 04:05:44.280 But you can see there is housing around, but there's also a park that kind of skews it. 04:05:44.280 --> 04:05:47.440 So there's some darker shades of blue, lighter shades of blue. 04:05:47.440 --> 04:05:52.800 When you go to 750 feet, you can still see there's ample housing and again, by available 04:05:52.800 --> 04:05:54.800 housing doesn't mean you can move right in. 04:05:54.800 --> 04:05:59.400 It means that there's houses in that area that if for sale, somebody could buy and or 04:05:59.400 --> 04:06:02.160 rent if available. 04:06:02.160 --> 04:06:07.560 But you can see now, Western Green Park also starts to create that safety zone. 04:06:07.560 --> 04:06:08.560 Okay. 04:06:08.560 --> 04:06:13.720 If you look at a thousand feet, there's very little housing available and that's just one 04:06:13.720 --> 04:06:14.720 example. 04:06:14.720 --> 04:06:15.720 It's a horror elementary. 04:06:16.080 --> 04:06:21.000 If you go to Federal Memorial Park on Main Street, you can see at 500 feet, again, this 04:06:21.000 --> 04:06:25.320 one is oblong, park dimensions. 04:06:25.320 --> 04:06:31.000 You can see some other things starting to creep in here, Fireman's Park. 04:06:31.000 --> 04:06:37.880 At 750 feet, there's still housing available, okay, but it's a little bit less and at a 04:06:37.880 --> 04:06:43.640 thousand feet, there's not much available at all, okay? 04:06:43.640 --> 04:06:44.800 I can't give you a percentage. 04:06:44.800 --> 04:06:48.120 I asked Greg if we could pull it on a GIS, what percentage of housing is available, but 04:06:48.120 --> 04:06:53.840 it's not able to do that and I thought it was much asking to count rooftops and do percentages. 04:06:53.840 --> 04:06:59.720 So we looked at a throwing here just for your new Stargazer Park, which is just down the 04:06:59.720 --> 04:07:07.680 road here off of Yorktown and lavender way, okay, rumly run all it down down in here. 04:07:07.680 --> 04:07:12.200 So at 500 feet, you can see there's, you know, quite a bit of housing, 750 feet, there's 04:07:12.200 --> 04:07:17.280 a bigger safety zone, again, it's a small park right in here. 04:07:17.280 --> 04:07:23.520 And then at 1,000 feet, basically almost the entire community is blocked off. 04:07:23.520 --> 04:07:25.000 Last one I did is conservative comments. 04:07:25.000 --> 04:07:30.760 I just took the biggest park on Conservancy, again, 500 feet there and this would probably, 04:07:30.760 --> 04:07:35.000 I guess I'd have to ask you all, but Sunfish Pond, I would imagine, it's a Conservancy 04:07:35.000 --> 04:07:39.440 area, this would also become a film exclusion zone, so we'd have to add that to the map 04:07:39.440 --> 04:07:41.520 just for your awareness, right? 04:07:41.520 --> 04:07:54.720 So there'd be more restricted here, because, what is it, yeah, that's what the map says, 04:07:54.720 --> 04:07:59.080 but anyway, it's a GIA, it's a failure. 04:07:59.080 --> 04:08:00.080 It's a trail. 04:08:00.080 --> 04:08:03.560 Well, we're not counting the trail, the trail is not it, but it's a conservancy area. 04:08:03.560 --> 04:08:09.680 So either way, I took it, it's not a rabbit hole, I'm sorry. 04:08:09.680 --> 04:08:14.640 But between that and the athletic complex, okay, so we have some restricted zone at 750, 04:08:14.640 --> 04:08:19.560 there's more restricted, but there is still available housing and 1,000 feet, again, it 04:08:19.560 --> 04:08:22.960 takes out almost the entire community. 04:08:22.960 --> 04:08:23.960 Why change? 04:08:23.960 --> 04:08:29.560 1,000 feet is too restrictive, I'll say that right now, there's not enough available housing, 04:08:29.560 --> 04:08:33.960 it puts the village in a bad spot, opens this for liability, and it creates too much 04:08:33.960 --> 04:08:38.680 of a cluster type situation, where if there were sex offenders to move, and by the way, 04:08:38.680 --> 04:08:42.360 there are sex offenders in our community, you can go online, you can see the map, it's 04:08:42.360 --> 04:08:50.000 pretty transparent through DOC, but people can search it, it's all open source, searchable. 04:08:50.000 --> 04:08:54.320 We just don't want to create a situation where everything is clustered together. 04:08:54.320 --> 04:08:59.480 This is a map of the north side of the village at 1,000 feet, with all the parks and restricted 04:08:59.480 --> 04:09:04.880 areas, you can see there's been no housing, okay, and this is when I took this to P&C 04:09:04.880 --> 04:09:10.120 a couple weeks ago, I didn't have this map available at the time, Greg was not available 04:09:10.120 --> 04:09:14.400 to help me make it at that point, he was away at a conference, getting an award and getting 04:09:14.400 --> 04:09:20.080 some training, so I got this after the fact from P&Z, but this is the north side, you 04:09:20.080 --> 04:09:23.840 can see there's a very little bit of housing right up here, and that's yet. 04:09:23.840 --> 04:09:29.560 On the south part, south part of the village, you know, there's nothing, that basically 04:09:29.560 --> 04:09:32.080 everything is excluded on the pallet and feet. 04:09:32.080 --> 04:09:38.160 This sets us up, I believe, in a bad way, liability-wise, but again, just as a couple 04:09:38.160 --> 04:09:44.760 reminders, it's a safety zone, okay, so a registered sex offender can still use the amenities 04:09:44.760 --> 04:09:49.760 of the community, they can go for a walk on the trail, they can go for a bike ride, they 04:09:49.800 --> 04:09:54.640 can go running, they can't do things like loiter on the trails, take pictures of kids, 04:09:54.640 --> 04:09:59.480 have a telescope in their window and all that kind of stuff, okay, but we have to have a 04:09:59.480 --> 04:10:05.480 housing available, and again, by available it's just got to be not in a restricted zone. 04:10:05.480 --> 04:10:13.760 And again, 750 feet to me is the right distance, it has enough available housing, but at the 04:10:13.760 --> 04:10:21.680 same way, it does create a good safety buffer, you figure one and a half blocks basically 04:10:21.680 --> 04:10:26.280 on every side of the property, it's a responsible place for the village to be, and again, this 04:10:26.280 --> 04:10:33.320 is my professional opinion, and it does create that adequate safety area for residents. 04:10:33.320 --> 04:10:38.040 So with that, I don't know, Alan, I miss anything, or do you think of, if not, I'll 04:10:38.040 --> 04:10:41.280 answer whatever questions I can. 04:10:41.280 --> 04:10:44.920 We have no public appearances, yeah. 04:10:44.920 --> 04:10:52.440 Yeah, bring it up as a question, it might be, is Colleen, Grandy, Chief, correct me, but 04:10:52.440 --> 04:10:59.080 this is brought up at the planning and zoning, I believe we passed it forward with the 750 04:10:59.080 --> 04:11:04.200 with the understanding that we're leaving it up to the board to adjust it, if needed, 04:11:04.200 --> 04:11:08.640 so they seem to be comfortable with whatever we chose to do here. 04:11:08.640 --> 04:11:13.400 Yeah, thanks for your mind, I mean, I do, that was my recollection as well. 04:11:13.400 --> 04:11:19.160 And P and Z had another robust discussion about it as well that commissioners did. 04:11:19.160 --> 04:11:20.960 No, any? 04:11:20.960 --> 04:11:28.720 I just have a couple of things on this one, and thanks for your presentation, that was 04:11:28.720 --> 04:11:33.080 really informative and I think answered a lot of initial questions that many people probably 04:11:33.080 --> 04:11:37.360 have when they saw this on the agenda, like I did. 04:11:37.360 --> 04:11:43.320 This one initially really took me back and it's been a struggle for me, but I've understood 04:11:43.320 --> 04:11:46.800 through conversations and through this presentation the reasons behind it. 04:11:46.800 --> 04:11:54.000 So I just want to one clarify for the record that the current, the change from a thousand 04:11:54.000 --> 04:12:00.240 which is the current safety zone to 750 would not displace anybody that is currently within 04:12:00.240 --> 04:12:02.440 a safety zone and then would be out. 04:12:02.440 --> 04:12:03.440 Correct. 04:12:03.440 --> 04:12:04.600 Yeah, but as a grandfather. 04:12:04.600 --> 04:12:08.480 So that wouldn't be a concern of displacing any current people. 04:12:08.480 --> 04:12:13.400 You gave a really thorough overview of the village and that 1,000 foot safety zone and 04:12:13.400 --> 04:12:17.520 what that actually looks like, so I appreciate that. 04:12:17.520 --> 04:12:23.400 My last question, I guess, I also just, again, coming as like a parent, I want parents in 04:12:23.400 --> 04:12:28.000 the community to really understand the reason behind this. 04:12:28.000 --> 04:12:32.280 And you've talked about those liability concerns, which are extremely important for us to consider 04:12:32.280 --> 04:12:38.040 but I noted in the packet, there is, my understanding is there's an existing appeals process. 04:12:38.040 --> 04:12:42.880 And so like if someone was seeking housing within a safety zone and then was denied because 04:12:42.880 --> 04:12:46.080 it's within a safety zone, they could appeal and it could be reviewed on a case-by-case 04:12:46.080 --> 04:12:47.080 basis. 04:12:47.080 --> 04:12:51.080 And so someone might look at this and say, well, if we have that appeals process in place, 04:12:51.080 --> 04:12:52.920 then why do we need to change the ordinance? 04:12:52.920 --> 04:12:57.240 And so I was wondering, I know we don't have a lot of historical data into forest because 04:12:57.240 --> 04:13:01.880 even the 1,000 foot safety zone hasn't been in place that long, but just generally with 04:13:01.880 --> 04:13:07.440 your knowledge over the course of your career of these appeals process, are you like, what's 04:13:07.440 --> 04:13:10.120 your knowledge of those appeals generally, I guess? 04:13:10.120 --> 04:13:13.120 And like, can you just speak to that question that people might have? 04:13:13.120 --> 04:13:14.120 Sure. 04:13:14.120 --> 04:13:15.120 Yep. 04:13:15.120 --> 04:13:18.440 I'm aware of some appeals that happened in my previous department and I can tell you that 04:13:18.440 --> 04:13:24.240 in appeals, nobody really wins because they've got to be public hearings and then now you're 04:13:24.240 --> 04:13:27.720 basically airing everything to neighbors. 04:13:27.720 --> 04:13:34.880 I would say for the forest specifically, our public safety commission is very balanced 04:13:34.880 --> 04:13:37.280 and pretty reasonable. 04:13:37.280 --> 04:13:42.320 There's none of the people on that commission and two of them are sitting next to you, would 04:13:42.320 --> 04:13:46.900 allow somebody to move in next to a park, right, even on a thing, but you have to publicly 04:13:46.900 --> 04:13:47.900 notice everything. 04:13:47.900 --> 04:13:52.120 So you're basically opening up a story to an entire neighborhood. 04:13:52.120 --> 04:13:59.160 I can also say that people that are convicted and placed on the sex offender list, while 04:13:59.160 --> 04:14:05.840 absolutely 100%, it's not a light sentence to make somebody an RSO. 04:14:05.840 --> 04:14:12.360 There are some that are for offenses that you would think, you know, underage sex, for 04:14:12.360 --> 04:14:17.720 example, you're two people in high school and it's all prosecuted by parents. 04:14:17.720 --> 04:14:22.160 So it could be a consensual act, but not consensual by age, can get you on the registered 04:14:22.160 --> 04:14:23.840 sex offender list. 04:14:23.840 --> 04:14:25.960 There's a lot of different reasons. 04:14:25.960 --> 04:14:31.720 There's a different process if somebody would always refer to them as 90s or they are violent 04:14:31.720 --> 04:14:36.360 sex offenders, somebody like you think of a home invasion, sexual assault type case, 04:14:36.360 --> 04:14:38.400 that is a special circumstance. 04:14:38.400 --> 04:14:43.080 If DOC was going to try to play somebody in the village of the forest, they have to legally 04:14:43.080 --> 04:14:45.800 notify me and they have to have a public hearing. 04:14:45.800 --> 04:14:48.320 So that's not what we're talking about in this process. 04:14:48.320 --> 04:14:53.560 I just want to make sure you understand the delineation because it gets very convoluted. 04:14:53.560 --> 04:15:01.160 But as far as appeals go, I'm aware of some, they generally aren't pretty and they sometimes 04:15:01.160 --> 04:15:02.160 lead to lawsuits. 04:15:02.160 --> 04:15:05.320 And again, I know we're not going to get rid of lawsuits totally. 04:15:05.320 --> 04:15:11.000 It's not everyone I'm trying to say, but I think if we have a balanced ordinance that 04:15:11.000 --> 04:15:15.120 meets the needs of what it's designed for, creating a safety zone. 04:15:15.120 --> 04:15:20.880 But at the same time, allows opportunity. 04:15:20.880 --> 04:15:24.600 There is that equal protection on both sides of the thing that we have to look at. 04:15:24.600 --> 04:15:27.680 Our department gets notified of sex offenders placed in the community. 04:15:27.680 --> 04:15:32.320 I have my investigative sergeant is detailed, the keeping track of all that, making sure 04:15:32.320 --> 04:15:33.800 staff is aware. 04:15:33.800 --> 04:15:37.480 There's other things that happen around like Halloween that they can't participate in, 04:15:37.480 --> 04:15:40.600 so we monitor that as well. 04:15:40.600 --> 04:15:42.800 That answered your question probably way too long. 04:15:42.800 --> 04:15:43.800 It does. 04:15:43.800 --> 04:15:52.600 I appreciate the length of that though, thank you and the detail. 04:15:52.600 --> 04:15:54.080 So thank you for the map. 04:15:54.080 --> 04:15:58.600 I wonder if you could pull one of those up because I think my question can be demonstrated. 04:15:58.600 --> 04:16:01.760 I'm just about any of them with, uh, do you always kind? 04:16:01.760 --> 04:16:02.760 Yeah. 04:16:02.760 --> 04:16:10.160 Looks like if you go, go to the 750 rather than the 1000 in like this one. 04:16:10.160 --> 04:16:15.720 Not the best example, but I want to say in the ordinance, it talks about conservancy 04:16:15.720 --> 04:16:19.800 to conservancy places, space. 04:16:19.800 --> 04:16:20.800 Yeah. 04:16:20.800 --> 04:16:21.800 Right. 04:16:21.800 --> 04:16:24.240 So I'm trying to see where we are. 04:16:24.240 --> 04:16:31.880 So to me, the stormwater basins are often zone conservancy. 04:16:31.880 --> 04:16:40.120 So to me, by zoning review, that would say we'd have to put the 750 on those two, especially 04:16:40.120 --> 04:16:47.360 like the, the conservancy or the, the trail, the conservancy along the, your hair river. 04:16:47.360 --> 04:16:54.040 So if we're putting like 750 on those long corridor type conservancies, we are taking 04:16:54.040 --> 04:17:01.560 out large swaths of land, which in the personal view, I don't know if I really care. 04:17:01.560 --> 04:17:08.200 I'll say because there is that like Melanie brought up, there's the appeal process, but 04:17:08.200 --> 04:17:13.840 for a liability concern, I think we sort of want to look at those maps because are 04:17:13.840 --> 04:17:19.840 we precluding pretty much 98% of our ability when we start including those conservancy 04:17:19.840 --> 04:17:20.840 lands? 04:17:20.840 --> 04:17:28.400 Yeah, we did look at that, um, and I can say that I even had 750 with the conservancy 04:17:28.400 --> 04:17:34.400 lands included, if still, in my opinion, ample housing available. 04:17:34.400 --> 04:17:38.800 This, whatever the board decides that I, that I'll work with Greg to get more of a 04:17:38.800 --> 04:17:42.920 permanent map created that we can have available for reference. 04:17:42.920 --> 04:17:43.920 Okay. 04:17:43.920 --> 04:17:49.520 Again, I'm just concerned that when we include the conservancy, I want to, I want to make 04:17:49.520 --> 04:17:56.760 sure that we just don't say drop the conservancy because I would be okay for a lower border 04:17:56.760 --> 04:18:04.600 on a conservancy, say 250 or something, if it need be, if it was needed for the liability 04:18:04.600 --> 04:18:05.600 concern. 04:18:05.600 --> 04:18:08.720 I guess that's why I bring it up. 04:18:08.720 --> 04:18:16.000 If you are okay with the 750 for the conservancy, I'll lean to your expertise and thank you. 04:18:16.000 --> 04:18:17.000 Yeah. 04:18:17.000 --> 04:18:18.000 I'm comfortable. 04:18:18.000 --> 04:18:23.760 I think probably the best example to look at is Yohara because you have western greens. 04:18:23.760 --> 04:18:27.720 So this would expand up on the bottom of the screen. 04:18:27.720 --> 04:18:32.000 Unfortunately, the screenshot I have isn't the best, but on the bottom, it would expand 04:18:32.000 --> 04:18:34.840 up just because the conservants land there. 04:18:34.840 --> 04:18:38.720 But you can still see there's ample housing around in the north of that. 04:18:38.720 --> 04:18:45.040 Wouldn't you also include the land that is the ponds north of Lexington Parkway, as I 04:18:45.040 --> 04:18:48.120 think again is conservancy? 04:18:48.120 --> 04:18:52.040 I'm going to have to work with Greg to really look at and get the map really defined in 04:18:52.040 --> 04:18:53.040 detail. 04:18:54.040 --> 04:18:56.040 Thank you. 04:18:56.040 --> 04:18:57.040 Okay. 04:18:57.040 --> 04:19:04.040 Do I have a motion to approve 2026 009? 04:19:04.040 --> 04:19:06.040 Motion to approve. 04:19:06.040 --> 04:19:07.040 Motion by Brad. 04:19:07.040 --> 04:19:08.040 Second. 04:19:08.040 --> 04:19:10.040 Seconded by Dan. 04:19:10.040 --> 04:19:11.040 Discussion. 04:19:11.040 --> 04:19:13.040 It's been done. 04:19:13.040 --> 04:19:17.040 I do believe all those in favor indicate by saying aye. 04:19:17.040 --> 04:19:18.040 Aye. 04:19:18.040 --> 04:19:20.040 All those opposed? 04:19:20.040 --> 04:19:21.040 No. 04:19:21.040 --> 04:19:25.040 That carries unanimously. 04:19:25.040 --> 04:19:27.040 Convene into closed session. 04:19:27.040 --> 04:19:30.040 Thank you, Chief. 04:19:30.040 --> 04:19:35.040 Resolution 2026063, resolution determining the claim of Tyler Catsey. 04:19:35.040 --> 04:19:40.960 Village Board may convene into closed session as authorized by Wisconsin statute, 19.85 04:19:40.960 --> 04:19:46.400 parent 1 parent G, inferring with legal counsel for the governmental body who was rendering 04:19:46.400 --> 04:19:49.480 oral or written advice concerning strategy. 04:19:49.480 --> 04:19:54.200 To be adopted by the body with respect to litigation in which it is or is likely to 04:19:54.200 --> 04:19:55.200 become involved. 04:19:55.200 --> 04:20:00.160 Village Board may reconvene in open session and further discuss or take action on the 04:20:00.160 --> 04:20:05.200 subject matter disgusting closed session session. 04:20:05.200 --> 04:20:08.480 Staff presentation, bill Chang. 04:20:08.480 --> 04:20:09.480 Yeah. 04:20:09.480 --> 04:20:14.560 So this claim has been brought by Mr. Catsey. 04:20:14.560 --> 04:20:24.920 There was a sanitary sewer backup and the sewer then obviously caused damage within 04:20:24.920 --> 04:20:28.120 the property itself. 04:20:28.120 --> 04:20:35.640 We Mr. Catsey filed a claim or initially informed us of the damages and we filed that 04:20:35.640 --> 04:20:42.200 with our insurance carrier that insurance carrier did conduct this due diligence and 04:20:42.200 --> 04:20:49.880 as you can see, has found that the village has immunity here. 04:20:49.880 --> 04:20:56.800 And so is recommending that we disallow Mr. Catsey's claim. 04:20:56.800 --> 04:21:01.400 If there's questions about what that process is, they all can answer what the disallowance 04:21:01.400 --> 04:21:06.800 process is and the statutory parameters. 04:21:06.800 --> 04:21:15.160 If you are seeking legal advice asked to villages liability, et cetera, I would recommend 04:21:15.160 --> 04:21:25.800 that we move it in full session before that part. 04:21:25.800 --> 04:21:32.000 We have no public appearances on this. 04:21:32.000 --> 04:21:35.000 The insurance company says to disallow the claim. 04:21:35.000 --> 04:21:39.280 I guess that's pretty standard stuff. 04:21:39.280 --> 04:21:43.120 We need to go into full session for that. 04:21:43.120 --> 04:21:48.360 Anybody need any more details beyond that? 04:21:48.360 --> 04:21:52.360 We want that better. 04:21:52.360 --> 04:21:53.360 Yeah. 04:21:53.360 --> 04:21:55.200 I guess I just don't know what to think. 04:21:55.200 --> 04:22:00.920 I know I when I lived in Madison, I had suitors back up and I just accept that as a stormwater 04:22:00.920 --> 04:22:04.360 thing that happened and we put in a check valve. 04:22:04.360 --> 04:22:13.080 So I can see the point that I can maybe go either way, so I don't know if I'm questioning 04:22:13.080 --> 04:22:24.120 the legality or if I'm questioning if we should pay them or not. 04:22:24.120 --> 04:22:25.120 Speak. 04:22:25.120 --> 04:22:29.720 I can only answer from a legal standpoint. 04:22:29.720 --> 04:22:36.520 Just want to start with just disabusing people of a common misunderstanding and that 04:22:36.520 --> 04:22:42.440 is whenever something bad happens to somebody else is responsible for it, somebody's got 04:22:42.440 --> 04:22:45.320 to pay for it. 04:22:45.320 --> 04:22:48.120 Liability in this case would be based on negligence. 04:22:48.120 --> 04:22:51.840 It was the village negligent in maintaining its sewer system. 04:22:51.840 --> 04:22:57.040 Based on the investigation and I am not investigating with myself, the insurance company was handling 04:22:57.040 --> 04:22:58.040 it. 04:22:58.120 --> 04:23:03.200 I came up with no indication and I'm not aware of any that the village had any way of knowing 04:23:03.200 --> 04:23:07.200 that there was going to be this backup prior to it occurring. 04:23:07.200 --> 04:23:15.840 Given that they find no basis for liability at neither do I. 04:23:15.840 --> 04:23:21.840 I can comment. 04:23:21.840 --> 04:23:29.080 Related to sewer backup, our insurance carrier does carry a policy to cover sewer backup 04:23:29.080 --> 04:23:35.440 for our residents comes at an additional cost, maybe a discussion for a budget time, but 04:23:35.440 --> 04:23:41.000 relates to a job your time had done, who's that volunteer? 04:23:41.000 --> 04:23:42.800 I'll just speak to my history. 04:23:42.800 --> 04:23:47.600 When it backed up, I was upset about it, but lucky for me, I knew that there was always 04:23:47.600 --> 04:23:51.200 a stormwater issue, so I didn't put anything down there. 04:23:51.200 --> 04:23:54.400 It's different when the sewer backs up. 04:23:54.400 --> 04:23:59.160 We put in the check valve, but it knocked out, say, a washer and what I learned that 04:23:59.160 --> 04:24:02.880 you really should have not just protection from storm. 04:24:02.880 --> 04:24:08.800 I guess I should ask the insurance person, you need to have a protection for the sewer 04:24:08.800 --> 04:24:12.600 backing up and it was like a $5 ad for the year. 04:24:12.600 --> 04:24:16.240 It's like, well, why didn't you tell me that? 04:24:16.240 --> 04:24:22.160 I can see the liabilities maybe at the individual for not covering himself for that, but I also 04:24:22.160 --> 04:24:30.840 feel that it is something that happened in our sewer, and if it was me, I'd want some 04:24:30.840 --> 04:24:32.440 portion of it. 04:24:32.440 --> 04:24:39.040 I personally feel that's fair, but it's not necessarily going to the liability of it, maybe 04:24:39.040 --> 04:24:41.040 more of a policy. 04:24:41.040 --> 04:24:45.720 I do want to make clear that if you decide to pay this person money, it's going to be 04:24:45.720 --> 04:24:50.440 your money, not your insurance company's money, whereas if he soothes you and wins, 04:24:50.440 --> 04:24:53.280 then the insurance company would cover it. 04:24:53.280 --> 04:24:58.840 What was the dollar amount of this that he's asking for? 04:24:58.840 --> 04:25:04.440 How approximately $23,000? 04:25:04.440 --> 04:25:14.360 Yeah, I sell the water backup coverage on all my homeowners' policies. 04:25:14.360 --> 04:25:25.640 Well, do we want to go in the closed? 04:25:25.640 --> 04:25:28.280 Do we have to go in the closed? 04:25:28.280 --> 04:25:31.280 I don't think so. 04:25:31.280 --> 04:25:35.520 I'll agree, do we not go in the closed? 04:25:35.520 --> 04:25:36.520 Okay. 04:25:36.520 --> 04:25:46.440 I'll just offer that the month on the resolutions as April, instead of May. 04:25:46.440 --> 04:25:49.480 Still awake. 04:25:49.480 --> 04:25:53.400 I was just going to say that. 04:25:53.400 --> 04:25:56.480 Yeah, that's true. 04:25:56.480 --> 04:26:03.720 Okay, so we're not convening into closed session. 04:26:03.720 --> 04:26:07.240 Therefore, we are not reconvening into open session. 04:26:07.240 --> 04:26:12.840 So possible action regarding resolution 2026 063, a resolution determining the claim of 04:26:12.840 --> 04:26:17.560 Tyler Catsey. 04:26:17.560 --> 04:26:23.000 Determining the claim, you want us to say we make a motion to deny the claim? 04:26:23.000 --> 04:26:25.080 Pardon me? 04:26:25.080 --> 04:26:26.880 Just allow the claim. 04:26:26.880 --> 04:26:32.080 All right, I will make a motion 2026 063. 04:26:32.080 --> 04:26:35.320 Just allowing the claim of Tyler Catsey. 04:26:35.320 --> 04:26:39.080 Is there a second? 04:26:39.080 --> 04:26:51.200 A second. 04:26:51.200 --> 04:26:52.200 Seconded violation. 04:26:52.200 --> 04:26:55.640 Is there any more discussion? 04:26:55.640 --> 04:27:10.360 I'll make a quite a discussion where we have this resolution, just allowing the claim that 04:27:10.360 --> 04:27:18.840 would still leave the individual opportunity to ask for us to pay something. 04:27:18.840 --> 04:27:26.680 I'm not saying we would, but that still gives them opportunity outside of the claim. 04:27:26.680 --> 04:27:29.720 He can ask me, he has that. 04:27:29.720 --> 04:27:34.400 That's what this is, but he could ask again if you wanted to. 04:27:34.400 --> 04:27:38.960 So we're good with the wording the way this says, do I need to change something? 04:27:38.960 --> 04:27:39.960 Okay. 04:27:39.960 --> 04:27:45.800 All those in favor of disallowing the claim under resolution 2026 063 indicate by saying 04:27:45.800 --> 04:27:46.800 aye. 04:27:46.800 --> 04:27:47.800 Aye. 04:27:47.800 --> 04:27:49.800 All those opposed? 04:27:49.800 --> 04:27:50.800 No. 04:27:50.800 --> 04:27:52.560 Motion carries unanimously. 04:27:52.560 --> 04:27:55.080 The claim is disallowed. 04:27:55.080 --> 04:27:57.480 Check my disturbance in your packet. 04:27:57.480 --> 04:28:01.920 Committee Commission Board reports update the Forest Area Library. 04:28:01.920 --> 04:28:07.280 Who's that? 04:28:07.280 --> 04:28:10.920 I don't think we have any important updates. 04:28:10.920 --> 04:28:11.920 Okay. 04:28:12.560 --> 04:28:15.400 Public Safety Commission, that's me. 04:28:15.400 --> 04:28:19.880 We pretty much just discussed our 750 foot range there. 04:28:19.880 --> 04:28:23.560 The Forest Area Community and Senior Center. 04:28:23.560 --> 04:28:25.520 No important updates. 04:28:25.520 --> 04:28:28.520 Community Development Authority. 04:28:28.520 --> 04:28:32.000 Nothing? 04:28:32.000 --> 04:28:40.000 We extended a loan agreement for the forthcoming pizza place. 04:28:40.000 --> 04:28:43.160 Opening and zoning commission. 04:28:43.160 --> 04:28:47.640 I have circles on my planning and zoning commission, so I think I already reported on it. 04:28:47.640 --> 04:28:50.120 So I'd say there's been no new meetings. 04:28:50.120 --> 04:28:52.640 Public Services Committee. 04:28:52.640 --> 04:28:59.560 You saw tonight the mountain bike trail information and the renaming of the park to River Bend 04:28:59.560 --> 04:29:00.560 Park. 04:29:00.560 --> 04:29:06.320 The Forest Windsor Fire and EMS, so I had the groundbreaking for the second station. 04:29:07.320 --> 04:29:11.880 We have a meeting, I don't know what I'm doing 11th. 04:29:11.880 --> 04:29:16.440 Committee Commission Board reports in your packet, President's report, President doesn't 04:29:16.440 --> 04:29:21.160 have one in county cities and villages update. 04:29:21.160 --> 04:29:24.120 I think Bill already hit that earlier today. 04:29:24.120 --> 04:29:27.240 Nope, don't want it again. 04:29:27.240 --> 04:29:31.480 Any other business that lawfully comes before the board? 04:29:31.480 --> 04:29:32.480 Next up is adjournment. 04:29:32.480 --> 04:29:33.480 Is there a motion? 04:29:33.480 --> 04:29:34.480 Motion or adjourned? 04:29:34.480 --> 04:29:36.280 Motion by Brad, is there a second? 04:29:37.200 --> 04:29:39.200 Seconded by Alicia. 04:29:39.200 --> 04:29:41.040 All those in favor indicate by saying aye. 04:29:41.040 --> 04:29:42.040 Aye. 04:29:42.040 --> 04:29:43.040 All those opposed? 04:29:43.040 --> 04:29:44.040 No. 04:29:44.040 --> 04:29:45.200 Motion carries unanimously. 04:29:45.200 --> 04:29:48.600 We are adjourned at 951 PM.