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Okay, it's 5.02 p.m. on May 19th, we'll call to order the Village Board work session.

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Brandy, are you keeping track of the roll tonight?

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Thank you.

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I have no announcements.

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Anyone else have any announcements?

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Discussion items.

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Um, discussion regarding Fourth of July Firework vendors for 2027.

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Bishop Klein-Stuyberg and Rachel Malley.

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Leish.

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So a couple of weeks ago, I was contacted by our current Fourth of July vendor, and unfortunately

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he is retiring after this year, so I reached out to a couple other Fourth of July or other

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Firework vendors and tried to get some price estimates for billing for 2027 or going forward,

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and I kind of shared that in a document that I shared with you guys.

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Some of them would not even give me a quote because they pretty much just emailed me or

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talked to me on the phone and said it would be approximately anywhere from like $1,000

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a minute for the show.

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One of them did give me a quote for, I think, $13,000 for next year, so I'd like to try

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to get something booked sooner than later because there is not a lot of Fourth of July

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or Firework vendors out there to put on Fireworks for us, so I don't want to be in a situation

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where we don't have a vendor for 2027.

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Some of them are about $1,000 per minute, and then the one quote that I have is for $13,000,

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and this year we're paying Chrome Firework $12,750, and that's about what we've been

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paying them this year and like last year.

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I don't know what the Chamber was paying years previous, but I think that's about the

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average price that we've been paying them.

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Alicia, quick question for you guys.

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I saw on there that you said the one for $13,000 was recommended from another area.

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Did they give any guidance like on the timing since everybody else, the other two bids bid

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per minute?

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Did they tell you?

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Yep.

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I have the bid here.

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It would be about 20 to 25 minutes for the show.

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Thank you.

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And that's about how long our show is currently.

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Okay.

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So it would be a cost savings from the other two, definitely.

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Okay.

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Can you remind me, who sets off the fireworks?

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Is it the vendor or is it our fire department?

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It is a vendor, thanks, but the fire department does inspect them when they come and set up.

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Anyone else?

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No.

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So we just want to confirm this is for July 3rd.

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Yes, for July 3rd of 2027.

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And July 4th would be more expensive.

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Yes.

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That's hard.

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I'm standing.

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You just want a discussion tonight?

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Yeah, I just brought up for discussion and then we would.

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Yeah.

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This evening is discussion only.

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I think we need another meeting here to prepare a resolution and a contract for approval.

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Well, I would say 13,000 is pretty close to what we were paying.

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That's far better than 20, 25.

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That's my opinion.

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Anyone else?

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Jump.

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I would just say that the price seems fair.

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I just asked that you look into what they plan on or the number of and stuff because I

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know there's a number of people that I've said are how impressive our fireworks are.

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So it would be nice to know it's at least somewhat close to there.

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I did share with them the type of fireworks that we currently light off of all the specifications

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and he shared in his quote what they're lighting off.

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So he said that we would probably have a better fireworks show than we currently have.

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So.

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Is that all you needed?

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Mm hmm.

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Okay.

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Thanks Tricia.

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Thank you.

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Next discussion on regarding 2027 budget calendar that would be Brandon and Bill.

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Thank you.

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So from our last work session, I disclose that we would be wanting to bring forward our annual budget calendar.

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So that is going to be on the screen right now for you as they were just pulling it up.

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For trustees over here before the calendar will work will look pretty similar with some

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of the updates just being when departments would be sharing their departmental budget

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presentations for for the trustees throughout work sessions within here.

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So the calendar that they're going through right now just kind of outlines exactly what

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we had talked about as a team of when certain departments would be open to sharing their

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priorities, their capital expenses, the things that we're going to be impacting them the

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most here and then the village would still want to have some community home sessions

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out in the public as well to that's marked within here as well as our tentative goal

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of when the publication notice would be sent out with a formal adoption on November 17th.

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Again, just for tonight's discussion, it was just more of a feedback of how you liked the

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budget process so far for trustees that have been in here or if there's anything that you

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all might want to look at changing within here another discussion perhaps, at least we're

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talking with the department heads and the team members within here.

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This process has worked well for the team so far so with myself just coming in and being

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less than a month in it, I didn't really want to shake it up way too much of what's been

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working so far but at least this year I'd be being a little bit more diligent taking

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some notes, getting some more feedback in and perhaps there may some shake up of it for

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next year but this is at least what's on the calendars but what's being proposed by the

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team here as a tentative schedule and just looking for feedback.

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I saw a couple of things to kind of keep your mind on here as well as then a copy of

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the schedule after this meeting as we confirm some of these dates.

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We do intend to have in addition to the public hearing to public meetings, listening sessions

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I would say so when we first started having these public listening sessions we did two

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one in one very early in the year, intention of that meeting was to solicit and hear from

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the general public on what some of the community priorities were and then the second meeting

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we held generally later in the year when we had more information from departments and

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we've actually had some of those numbers.

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Last year we decided because of the participation in the first year to just hold one meeting

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and we had a little bit more comments but this year we're thinking about going back

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to the two meetings and so as you see here the initial public meeting is intended to

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be held in the July timeframe and so if there's a particular date that you want let us know

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or it works better for you let us know and we can we can then put that down.

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The second meeting gets pretty close to the public hearing that's at the end of October

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we have here on this agenda and then the public hearing of course is in November so if you

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think that's too close to the public hearing also let us know but that's that's kind of

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that testing of here are the numbers you know the public's going to be able to see

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that you're going to be able to see that we would have had our discussions on a majority

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of the big items and so it's a limits test before we go into that public hearing.

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Again if generally those work well for you I'll work with Brandon on setting a date that

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way we can stay CA and I can work on getting communications out early this year and we

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couldn't then formalize that. We'll also look at you know ways to be more interactive and

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engaged for us in regards to the budgeting process but as I've told you before we continue

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to build this process out so that it's something that that works for not only the village staff

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but yourself as the board and then also the community.

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Thank you Bill. Comments anyone?

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Jim?

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I know I've asked for this in the past and I guess I'm trying to look at the calendar but I

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can't quite read it but my what what I what I don't like about the process that we've had

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the few years that I've been here is that we have the presentations and they're very well prepared

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in the desires and wants of all the departments but I have a hard time say comparing that say to

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maybe a previous year what I anticipate the budget to be because it's one department at a time

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and that can be okay but I guess the ask that I'm getting to is that usually when all the

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departments are done they get sort of packaged together in our draft budget and that's sort of

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the first time we see all the sort of asks that are in competition with each other.

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I don't know quite how to get around that but one idea that I have is that when the department

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heads come in to do their presentation it'd be nice to have the comparison to like say the previous

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year so maybe we can use that to start anticipating the competitiveness between the

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different asks that makes sense. Yeah that's completely reasonable. I think there's been some

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desire not to do that just because at that time there's usually so much unknown but I think if

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we just make some estimations and I'll know that it's still very much in flux that we can

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with these maybe move forward. Yeah so that that's always a concern with how early our budgeting

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process is when departments are making these presentations. Obviously we can get quotes and

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bids and I'll be able to factor them in and we can compare them to per se in analysis of what

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it looked like at this time or middle of the year last year because those numbers will be skewed if

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you're looking at actual whole year versus what is projected you know this year or next year.

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So I have to think about that obviously it's going to put pressure on each of the department heads

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and I'm looking at you guys to get your budget sitting a little bit earlier especially the numbers

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and where we expect there to be changes and so you know that's something that we'll have to

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coordinate as we come along here. Now I'm okay with doing that as long as you can promise me

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that that we're not going to be held exactly to those numbers because those numbers can change

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in the sort of time span especially given the market climate that we're currently in.

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The other comment I'd make too is I worry about having the second public meeting too close to

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the adoption as I feel there's a redundancy to change when you're getting that tight.

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So I'd prefer it to be a little bit further out but I guess I'll let staff decide what's most

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appropriate. Thank you. Jamie you're talking about the second public information meeting in October.

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You guys are going to figure that out staff? Yeah we'll figure it out and we'll share that.

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I'm going to say we all know that I am no spreadsheet reader but I kind of like that.

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If I can see what this department had in 2025 versus what they're asking for in 26 like one-on-one

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that would be kind of cool. My two cents? Anyone else have any? Just a quick question on seeing

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the comparisons are you wanting to see is the group wanting to see the full budget or their

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particular items that you're looking for? Or is it just the genius?

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Does some of these budgets have 200 roles? No I don't want to make that much work.

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Jim? I guess my concern is I know like when we look at say a sheet that is

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I guess I'm picturing like one sheet that tends to have what say 30 or 40 roles on it.

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A lot of it is like human resources I'll say and I know preliminary or say in the middle of

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summer a lot of those numbers are going to change because it's based on like the insurance and

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things like that but I'm looking more at say like the hard numbers or say the number of trucks

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or drill for else is being requested. I guess there are some lion items that can be said

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relatively early compared to the human resource. So you're looking more for a comparison of just

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like capital items in more particular versus. Yeah I think so too the stuff.

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Yeah I was thinking it would be nice to see like a personnel would be one lion item and if you had

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an NFTE why is there an extra 80 grand in that view to tell us why you know those big changes.

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Capital things I think I don't want to tell any of you how to

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budget for your teams but if there's big expenses big variances just the explanation of why.

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So I can tell you I mean I can just for my experience I can tell you that the majority of the changes

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will be in personnel and staffing. You're not going to see any of those changes in July or

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you're not going to see a change in that until you tell me what you're comfortable with raising

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rates you know we can plug in a number and say hey this is what we expect the cost of living

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adjustment to be and and have you gauge that as okay do you go up percentage from that or down

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percentage from that but it's going to be challenging to see that because a lot of the plugins that

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we'll have for the data are going to be dependent on how you direct us towards it right so a lot

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of the more capital items I think that's an easy solve in regards to a display but at some point

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here we'll have to calculate the cost what what is the cost of operation and the cost to continue

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the service as it is here and how we've been doing it in the past is any any additional

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wants above needs then we have come to the board for kind of a decision on that so that's kind of

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the struggle we can try to put something together but that's that's part of the struggle that we have

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with budgeting in process and that being able to provide you with all the information that you

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want to be able to make a decision because quite honestly we don't have all that we don't have

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all that information yet so it's going to be a work in progress I can promise that it's going to be

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perfect but we're willing to work in that process with you

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we good

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we certainly can share you show you you're over here the capital improvement but it will be wildly

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different from year to year because a couple years ago we asked for two new patrol trucks they're 200,000

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a piece that put our capital improvement number probably significantly higher than we would have done

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in previous years there are some things that are pretty standard where we trade out tool cats or

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tool cats or skid steers every other year right so there's just there on a rotation so there might

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be a minor price increase or getting from the bobcat dealer where we get the skid steer from say or

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so those things are certainly easy to justify or order to book year to year but when you start

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adding road projects reconstruction projects those can be vastly different right and we don't

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in the past we had a number we tried to adhere to like we're only doing $2 million in road projects

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that that's changed lately to where it's kind of what the needs are and if we've got you know so

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this next year in 27 we'll be doing vinvern who could possibly be doing highway b right so there's

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those will be bigger projects that take more dollars than the the year after well two years

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after when we get done with whole them in 28 now there's different ranges so it can be difficult

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but I mean we certainly can share those numbers with you but it'll it's not you're not truly

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comparing apples to apples when it comes to the cip part that's finally concerned

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well then it sounds like we're just kind of wasting everybody's time

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can I can I just clarify well I think my understanding is that the board wants to understand

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potentially where are the big expenses coming in not necessarily projects but

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correct because operations can have a large price a large cost adjustment as part of that

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so what what I would recommend I think maybe this this is a good meeting in the middle here

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is I'll work with the department heads and in finance here that if there is a

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a large expenditure that's above and over what the previous year was that we also show

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that number so that you can compare it to and some of these things will fit into categories

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for example you know we fit office furniture into operations line item you won't see the

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furniture on the in the budget but you'll see the operations you know fall under that

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and so we can provide a listing of what all falls under that operational line item

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and compare it you know when all said and done here's how that section is going to look like

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compared to the previous year that makes sense does that provide some clarification just complexity

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between what I think you're interested in the particulars versus how we budget was

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more general that's exactly what I was talking about you say operations that really doesn't

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mean much to me um if you show me that you're getting seven news stand up fancy desks or whatever

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my question is why do we need that you know that's that's where I'm coming from yeah and mine you

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gotta remember we're dealing with a simple mind yeah and part of that is the complexity right so

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like for example this year we may have ordered five desks two computers and all within the

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line budget of operations had five thousand dollars in store numbers next year we so many

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have five thousand dollars in that line item but it's instead of tables and and computers it's

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cheers and something else bookshelves um so I think I think we need to understand that you know

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there's different layers of complexity in how we list the items and then how they get

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represented in the budget because while there's interest in the some of those details here

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um capturing all of that onto a budget document is is challenging

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anybody else want to add anything Jen?

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um I don't say that I feel like the last couple years that I like the process we've been using

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and I feel that we're getting enough information and the right information to make the decisions

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going forward so I'm pretty happy with the way it's been

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I don't disagree

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all right you got what you need you're gonna take it from there

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make us all happy yeah what we need thank you

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next step discussion regarding mountain bike park planning jud and Greg

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So.

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All right.

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So we.

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Wanna bring.

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One to start.

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Yeah, he's got to share it.

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I want to start talking about our future.

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Possible mountain bike.

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area that we've.

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Recently.

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Acquired down there off a.

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Windsor road.

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It's roughly 16 and a half acres.

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Mostly force it a couple wetlands.

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Locations.

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The forested areas can consist of mature pines.

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Oaks, cherries, hickories and box elders.

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Butts the.

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Up to the one village of Windsor and you are a river.

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And.

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This last year we had the University Alliance produce.

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A documentation helping.

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The.

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Prevent further impacts the erosion.

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And native vegetation and along the heart river.

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So that document is kind of helping us guide.

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This project with the mountain biking.

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To.

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Prevent.

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Future.

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Issues with the ecology.

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In this area.

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So.

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Our next steps.

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If the board approves enough for the next.

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Budget year or 2027.

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We'd be looking at.

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Looking for planning dollars and possibly some building of trails.

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On this property for mountain biking.

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We're working with court, which is capital off road path liners.

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To help design and possibly build sections of trails.

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They would provide possibly some funding.

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To build the trails and fundraising.

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For trails and also volunteers.

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So they've got.

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A big group that's.

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Willing to volunteer their time to help us build trails.

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And then actually mark all.

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Where the trails would be on that land.

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There's also once we get there, but I guess.

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So.

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They core best remains about 13.5 billable acres.

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For the mountain bike areas, but.

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We think that's a little.

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Too much.

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Between John and I's.

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Calculations.

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We think there's eight and a half to nine acres available.

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Land for trails.

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So and then.

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Rough sketches of trails.

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Minimum would be both.

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One and a quarter miles up to three miles.

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Could be on on that parcel.

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Corp would help with the engagement of communications with residents and.

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Build community ownership.

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As well.

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There's.

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School mountain biking club that.

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Is very interested in helping.

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They keep asking one when we're going to get this mountain biking.

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Course and some lower.

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Work on it.

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Possible relics.

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This is a drawn up.

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Real rough.

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Plan that.

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Corp.

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Came up with just kind of showing.

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Hey, it could.

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Look somewhat like this.

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But the outer orange area would be.

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Volunteer built sections.

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And then.

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And then.

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And then.

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And then.

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And then.

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Be.

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Volunteer built sections.

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And those would be very easy.

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Maintainable.

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Pass and then the inner red areas would be.

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Professionally built trails more.

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Skills based kind of.

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Pass there.

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So there would need to be some boardwalk and.

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There would be some boardwalk.

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Through the wetlands on the north section.

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Way up here.

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There would be boardwalk through.

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Through here.

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And then Windsor.

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We would have to work with village Windsor to get access.

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They've got kind of a stormwater.

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Pond.

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Park area.

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That there's nice high ground that.

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Maybe if we work with them, we could get access.

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And not have to use as much boardwalk through that section.

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And then there is a trail on the east side of the.

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Parkland that we could possibly use to.

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Help get to that.

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Location.

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So.

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In talking about mountain bike course.

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And the.

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The trees out on this property.

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A majority of the trees on this property.

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Our red pine.

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We did an inventory went out there.

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Marked all the trees with GPS.

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And we've got nine hundred six hundred.

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Three trees.

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Six maples.

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Two hundred and fifty eight cherry trees and one hundred and

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forty one folk trees.

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Now.

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That.

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Just in the sections that are marked.

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In the green and red and purple.

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I didn't mark.

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There's a.

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Area up in the north west corner.

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Is mainly all.

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White pine, which.

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Are really mature.

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Really nice.

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And then the middle section is.

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A lot of oak.

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So.

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A thick, really nice old trees there.

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That we did not mark because there's no plans on there.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I have.

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I don't know.

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There's no plans on there.

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I'll go the next page.

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So we would.

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The shady would kind of talk about that.

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The shaded middle section is oh,

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And then the white pines are up above.

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We'd be.

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Looking to send out the red pines,

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which are all the red dots through there.

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In the reason we would be doing that is.

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We'd be opening up the canopy, it would help the red pine with being able to grow because

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they're getting constricted now because they're so thick and it's never been thinned.

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So another thing that could happen is we could get an infestation, some sort of bug comes

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in and it'll take out all the trees, whereas if we spread them out, they'll be healthier,

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they can maybe resist the insect that comes and then they can grow bigger and we'll be

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able to get sunlight to the forest ground and put native grasses and flowers in there

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and then start planting the future canopy.

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All of our natural areas were kind of converting to oak savannas, so I would recommend we'd

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start planting oaks throughout the pine plantation area and when those pines start to die out

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or we need to cut them down or they fall down or whatever, we'll have some trees to replace

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them.

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We've been working with talking with a forester from the DNR and try to get a forestry plan

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and our rough calculations, we have about seven, eight acres of red pine plantation,

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there's nothing growing on that forest floor, there are some sporadic buckthorn and homiesuckle

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plants, but for the most part it's just all pine needles, so opening up the

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pines would help that get the water and sunlight to the ground.

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We're working with the DNR to possibly set up a logging bit, so we would reach out to area

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loggers and say this is our project and the DNR is willing to help us through this process

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because we've never done that, so they said it could look like where these loggers would bid

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out, bid on the project and then we'd just take whatever one feels right for us.

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Red pine is not very attractive to loggers because it's not worth anything, it's typically

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pulp wood that they use that for, for the logging business. There are projects that

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like the village or the school could use some of the red pine for like if we wanted to work with

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say community, we'll have a day where we bring our sawmill and then we can show people,

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hey this is what, how we make two-by-fours and kind of make a community event, an educational

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event for the community and the school district could use that lumber or like making in their

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shop classes for sheds or whatever village could use some of that wood for park shelters.

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So there's possibilities out there of educational components. We're also estimating the pine

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plantation is roughly 50, 60 years old. The typical plantation is 60 to 80, 90 years that they last.

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We'll go to the next one. So we kind of talked about the uses, the wood sale,

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possibly the community involvement in the benefits, educational benefits.

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So this picture kind of shows some of the trees that we've gone out and marked.

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VNR showed us like, hey these are trees you want to look for. Any defects in the trees,

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you want to remove whether they're curved or they've got block rubs or any defects,

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you just want to remove those right away. This picture is not the forest but this is what it

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could possibly look like in the future with the removal of the thinning of the red pines.

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That little pathway almost would mimic a mountain bike trail through that area. These are just a

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couple photos, drone photos we took. So you can see the red pines through there. That's pretty thick.

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And then along the sides that's white pine and in the middle is all like oak,

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hickory, and some cherry trees. Desirable trees, you know, more red pine on the sides are

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oak, nice oak stands. We will not be looking the thinning of the white pine or oak sale.

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And this is a Windsor road at the bottom of the screen. I got some red pine and then on the west side

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of the picture there is all really mature, nice oak trees. There's the white pines,

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mature white pines. So some of the educational components of this could be, you know, when we do

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the mountain biking project, we would want to do some educational components with a signage.

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You know, we could put some interpretive signs out there showing why we thinned the woods,

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what the wood could be used for, and what the benefits are, just to show residents and people

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that use the park, you know, why we're doing some of this stuff. Because we not only will that

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park be used for mountain biking, but there will be used for hiking as well.

482
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I guess that's about it. I think Charles got a couple things.

483
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,640
We had to share this last night at the public services committee meeting. I think they were

484
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,560
generally supportive of it, right? We're just trying to make sure this information is shared.

485
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,360
We will have Stacy share. We can share this slide on engaged to forest,

486
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,320
point people to watch this video for other information on this, but we just want to make

487
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,400
sure it's open transparent so people are familiar with it. This is coming at some point.

488
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:52,840
I'm assuming, again, it's amenable to the board. And then we'll be beginning to plan to work

489
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,680
through these things with RFPs forbidding for logging and then ultimately to the creation of

490
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,920
that. So we might even start to walk with Corp through there and kind of plan a trail, right?

491
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Just planning stages, nothing being put in the ground or anything like that, just more marking

492
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,200
the path by which we might want to do these things. So questions, concerns?

493
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Do the DNR say if this was eligible for like an MFL or is it too little acreage?

494
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:31,080
They didn't really talk to them about them at all because that's typically a tax advantage

495
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,760
for private landowners, but we could definitely ask them about that.

496
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:48,760
Managed forest land? Yeah, oh, yeah. And then I'm guessing, excuse me, not much

497
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,920
expected revenue then if you have it logged out. I don't, according to DNR, they didn't expect

498
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:02,600
it to be high value logging. I mean, if we took the oaks, then we're talking a lot more money,

499
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:08,360
but the red pine is not very valuable. We might even have a hard, really hard time

500
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:15,240
finding a logger to come in and take it. We'll have to wait and see.

501
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Jim?

502
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:26,360
I'd say I like the idea. I wish we could move even faster along with the planning and development

503
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,120
of it. The one come that I have is you don't have to bring it up, but like when you're showing

504
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,640
like the different rail layout, yeah, and I see that there was like one crossing of the wetlands,

505
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,080
and I think you called it more or less like a boardwalk. And I just wonder to me, it could be

506
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,840
an advantage even to the mountain bike group if we maybe have some plane crossings too,

507
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,360
just for their skills in crossing the wetlands. Is that undiscussed or thought of?

508
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,520
What kind of crossing, sorry? Sort of like a plane curve scene

509
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,520
videos where they'll cross the wetlands and whatever two I ate.

510
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,720
Oh, a plane. Yeah, I've seen that too. That could be a possibility.

511
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,840
One thing that Corp will help us with is they've got people that will come out and

512
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,320
look at the courses and they'll put on their website that

513
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,880
paid the forest courses closed today and they'll let us know, hey, we need to close it because it's

514
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:38,760
too wet. What you don't want is the mountain bikers go out there after it rains and they just

515
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:46,200
make a mess and destroy the trails. So that's one good part about Corp as well as it'll help us

516
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:54,600
maintain that course. Anyone else? Go ahead. I remember there's a project to do part of the

517
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:02,600
river, the bedside that you're going to be. Registration. Registration, right? Is this area

518
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:09,800
part of that at all or is it not affected? Yeah, there are phase three and four will probably be

519
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,880
will be working from innovation south. I don't know exactly how far we'll get on

520
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,440
those two phases, but we should be pretty close to those, you know, to that area.

521
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Make it work to match those two while they're reconstructing this.

522
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Either way, I'm really supportive of the project. Yeah, we could definitely look into them.

523
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,800
Hey, if that's it, thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

524
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Department updates, administrative update, Bill Chang.

525
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,720
One update from me, I attended the Dane County Cities and Villages Association meeting.

526
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,360
It was their annual meeting, which took place last Wednesday.

527
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:07,560
There is a new leadership there, so long-term president Abbouffer stepped down,

528
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:15,160
and so the new president of DCCVA is Lisa Haneer. She is the city of Middleton Mayor.

529
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Vice president is Tim Swali, who was the mayor of the city of Stolen.

530
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Secretary is Julia Arrada-Frada, who is the city of Fitchford Mayor,

531
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,360
and then the treasurer is Aaron Hoppertheimer of the city of St. Perry,

532
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,960
and then Abbouffer was the past president or at large member.

533
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:48,040
So I wanted to just note that, otherwise, that meeting went wild. There was also a welcome

534
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:56,600
speech from the mayor of Middleton, and there they had spoken about the importance of building

535
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:02,520
up instead of sprawling out, which is in line with some of the

536
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,960
framework from Carpsey and the Clean Lakes Alliance in regards to growth.

537
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:16,440
Do you want to have any more discussion on growth, philosophy, and the framework from Carpsey?

538
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,160
We couldn't provide that to you, but that was the majority of that meeting.

539
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Thank you, Bill. Finance update, Brandon.

540
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Yeah, so the village we were able to successfully file our form C through the Wisconsin DOR on time,

541
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,440
so by doing that, we're not taking any penalties on our general transportation aid, which is a

542
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:45,160
fantastic thing for us. We also had an exit call with our auditors who had said that it was a

543
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:52,280
great audit year for the village team over here, and they're going to be looking at putting their

544
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,120
financial or their audit presentation on the first July meeting.

545
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Okay, thank you. Police Department update, Chief Olson.

546
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Yep, anything, just a couple quick things. Obviously, we had a significant crash

547
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:19,080
investigation in the construction on CV just late last week. You were actually between the

548
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,760
old springs, different turn ins. I'm told that the victim of that crash is still recovering,

549
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,320
which is a good thing, based on the injuries that were on the scene. We did have the state

550
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,960
patrol coming in, reconstruct the crash, so they're still working through that process. That's still

551
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:42,760
ongoing. And then last night, we responded to help the state patrol. Coincidentally, they had a

552
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:49,000
crash into, I believe, into one of the troopers that led into a pursuit in a driver fled. Officer

553
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Crawford, using our drone, was able to locate the subject as he tried to evade everybody else

554
00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:01,240
stayed in the car, but the driver took off. Again, thanks to working together budgetarily,

555
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,080
we have a drone that's a little bit more robust, and it has just phenomenal

556
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:13,160
capabilities camera-wise, whether it be thermal or otherwise. So we were able to find the person.

557
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,760
It has a spotlight that could light the guy up in the field. I'm told somebody's canine actually

558
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:27,160
got a bite in this well. So good work by the team overnight. Thank you. I agree. Jim.

559
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Can I ask the victim of the crash? Is she out of critical condition, do you know? I believe so,

560
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:46,040
yes. Thank you. And the trooper? I wasn't told of any issues that way. It's injury-wise. I'd

561
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:54,120
have entered the property crash. Thanks, Chief. Public service update, Ted. Three things quick.

562
00:45:54,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Ager Parkway is continuing on on the reconstruction project. It's moving on at a pretty good pace.

563
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:05,640
If you have residents reaching out asking questions, I encourage you, especially if they live in that

564
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:12,280
zone, they can sign up for updates. We send them out regularly, at least weekly. Stacey does a

565
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,040
great job. Great. That's a great job. Building updates and states are getting them out to folks,

566
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,720
so I encourage folks to register for that. And they are item-by-item, right? So we're not spamming

567
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:26,760
them with everything that's happening. It's they sign up for Ager Parkway. That's the notification

568
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:34,280
they'll get. We recall we've had some issues in this room with the audio-visual and connectivity

569
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,120
things. So I have put together an RFP. We'll be going out for bid for that. It wasn't a budget

570
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,880
item this year. We didn't have dollars set aside in previous years for the upgrade of the

571
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,680
other visual equipment in here. It's time for us to use that. So I think Brandon's probably

572
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:56,280
been brought to speed by that with Carol, but so we'll be like looking for updates and quotes on

573
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:02,760
that. So we're moving with that as well as this is the last year for our current garbage contract

574
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:11,480
with LRS. Sorry, GFL. So we will be going out for an RFP for garbage services for another five-year

575
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:18,360
term. Typically, they get us a better rate than we might have. What is if we extended the current

576
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:24,360
contract? Nothing really wrong with GFL. I think they've done a better job than our previous one,

577
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,920
but it also gives us the opportunity to see other additional things we can add in,

578
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:34,200
change, and bring back before you like recycling every week, which is the thing that I've heard

579
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,280
from a lot of folks. The cost is rather great, but at least we'll have that price so you guys can

580
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,200
make the determination if that's something you want to add in next year, which you could then

581
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,200
see line behind what we paid last year and what the cost will be for the new year.

582
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,480
Great. Dan.

583
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,440
We have our current garbage contractor for five years, or was that switched mid-term?

584
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Okay. The current one has been, this is the fifth of the five-year degree.

585
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,600
That went fast.

586
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,680
Thank you, Judd. Community Development Update, Alex.

587
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:15,240
Just a quick one. As we mentioned before, tomorrow we will be officially accepting applications for

588
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:20,360
the Home Reach Portable Housing Program, which has down payment assistance and home improvement

589
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,960
loans. Our team has been working to get that out in the community, making that known to

590
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,960
realtors, various associations, the school district, our local employers. We've already been

591
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,680
getting a number of inquiries via email, phone calls, particularly from our school district,

592
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,440
which is exciting to see as that was one of the main priorities. So, fully expecting to get an

593
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,520
onslaught of applications in the next week or two. Thank you. Administrative Services Update,

594
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,800
Kelly's not here. You got anything, Brandy? No. Okay. Recreation and Community Enrichment Update,

595
00:48:53,800 --> 00:49:01,320
Tricia. I'm excited to share that we have less than 50 tiles left for America 250 murals.

596
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,920
So, we're moving along with that. Next week, we kick off our summer series with our first

597
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:12,200
movie night in the bike rodeo with the police department. So, that'll be one of our first summer

598
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,520
events. And tomorrow we have a touch-a-truck event with the library and public works. So,

599
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:24,840
we'll have a right outside of here. And then we just wrapped up our soccer season. So, that was

600
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,600
with, I don't know how many kiddos there were, but we had a bunch of kiddos that participated in

601
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:35,240
soccer. And we've been busy out at the athletic complex already this season. So, it's a busy time

602
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:41,880
for the park and rec department. Things are popping. Thanks. Any other business that

603
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,400
lawfully comes before the committee for discussion only? Anybody have anything?

604
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,200
If not, next item is adjournment.

605
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,400
Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion by Alisha. Second by Jan. All those in favor say aye.

606
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Aye. All those opposed? No. We are adjourned at 552. We will resume for the Village Board meeting at 6.

607
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,400
All those in favor say aye.

608
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:12,360
Ready? Okay. We're good. Number four on the agenda is announcements. I don't have any announcements

609
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,240
if anyone else does. Number five is the consent agenda.

610
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Approval of the minutes from the Village Board work session and Village Board meeting from May

611
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:31,320
2nd. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Motion by Jim. Is there a second?

612
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Second. I heard Alisha first. Second by Alisha. Motion is for approval of the minutes from the

613
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:44,600
two sessions on May 2nd. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. Motion

614
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:52,840
carries unanimously. Also on the consent agenda, approval of resolution regarding approving an

615
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,720
agreement for whether a family dental or a sponsorship. The Village of Deport is quick for

616
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,560
doing something. You approve that as part of the consent agenda. You're good.

617
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:12,600
Okay. Never mind. Public appearances. This will be public appearances for any topic that is not

618
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:21,240
on the agenda for tonight. And I think I have Marjorie Haniman.

619
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,800
Which is to speak.

620
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,920
Hold the mic over there, Marjorie. Hit the button. Tell the little green circle on the bottom. Turn

621
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:41,640
screen. You're good to go. Hi, my name is Marjorie Haniman. First time. So let me address please,

622
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:48,840
Marjorie. I'm 13 Maple Street. And that's part of why I'm here is because I live on Maple Street.

623
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,200
We were paid a visit by a lion energy yesterday. And the man at my door said,

624
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:59,400
I'm sorry, but we're going to end up decimating your treat. Those were his words.

625
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:08,440
And we had a few more conversations. And I found out that I could refuse,

626
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,320
which is what I did at the time, as did a number of my neighbors.

627
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:20,200
I actually thank you so much, Miss Little, for taking my phone call. And we had a conversation.

628
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:29,400
And my purpose here tonight is to speak for the trees. So if you've read the Lorax, you know exactly

629
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:41,320
what I'm talking about. I think it's time that we stop cutting down trees to make poles or lines

630
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:48,440
that are easily buried. And I know after speaking to Mr. Blau, it's not as easy as saying easily

631
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:56,200
buried because there's a lot of working parts. But I guess I'm here to say our neighbors want to

632
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,920
have a conversation and start a conversation to burying lines in some of these older sections

633
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:10,760
of town. It's better for the environment. It's better for our trees because we can replant

634
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,560
and we don't lose the existing old trees and anyone that lives in that area around South

635
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:26,200
Street and up the hill that got decimated with that storm knows how many old trees were lost.

636
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:34,200
I would hate to see mine have a 90 degree chunk taken out of it, especially when

637
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:41,960
maples should never be trimmed unless it's before they bud or after the first frost.

638
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,440
And the fact that a lion energy seems to not care about that really bothers me.

639
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,480
So we want to set up a discussion. I did ask today because there was a second

640
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,600
a lion person in the neighborhood to speak with an engineer and to see why couldn't they just take

641
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:08,840
a foot off above and below the line, not 10 feet. They're doing it so they don't have to come back

642
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:20,760
for 10 years. It's from my understanding. But so I guess I'm willing to help write grants done

643
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:27,960
it in the past. If people give me some direction and some committee information and working with

644
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:35,400
the lion and working with spectrum or who else needs to come in to hopefully find a way to bury

645
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:42,840
our lions. The other thing is there are phone lines that are still attached to our homes that

646
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:50,200
are drawing power and it's on our power bill and we don't have landlines anymore who removes those.

647
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,600
So that's a problem too because those are the lowest hanging ones. So when we have

648
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,360
your time is done, I apologize. Oh, no problem. Okay. So thank you. We're going to have a meeting

649
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,360
and we'll be talking to Pauline and hoping you guys will come and listen to us and the

650
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:11,800
neighbors when we set it up. Thank you, Marjorie. Do I turn this off? Either way.

651
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,760
Okay. We have no one else wishing to speak on this topic not on the agenda.

652
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Presentation. We have none. All business resolution 2026. 057. Resolution

653
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:44,360
directing the director of public services to resume fluoridation of the village's public water system.

654
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,360
Do we have a motion?

655
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Presentation first and then public comments on this agenda item and then discussion and

656
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:05,080
actually got myself out of order again. Staff presentation by Mr. Chang.

657
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:12,680
Well, actually, it would be Judd and then we have their biker here to provide

658
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,400
the presentation on their findings.

659
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,440
Deere, go ahead. So we work with our biker, their engineer for a lot of our projects.

660
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,640
I reached out to the biker and asked them, they've got an architect on staff that we've been working

661
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:35,640
with for probably a couple to three months. When this topic first came back up, Darren,

662
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,480
we worked with quite a bit. You remember, Darren was at our meeting at the high school where we

663
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:49,240
presented our water supply service area plan. He had put that together, worked diligently to

664
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:54,280
generate that. So we asked him to help us put together what would be needed if we were to add

665
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,760
fluoride back into the system. So I've got Darren here. His memo was shared with you all, but I'll

666
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:07,000
let Darren take it from here. Okay. Thanks, Judd. I'll briefly go through the memo.

667
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:14,440
And so we were asked by Judd to prepare a memo that looked out what would be needed to reinstate

668
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:21,080
fluoride at your wild facilities. And so our memo, the first section looks at the required

669
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,880
equipment and any improvements that would be needed to make that happen. And we just went

670
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,880
facility by facility here. So the first one is well number two. In that facility, fluoride was

671
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:39,720
previously added, but there currently is no equipment there that was removed once when fluoride had

672
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:48,840
been stopped being added. The well house there is one room where all the pumping equipment is in

673
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:57,320
the fluoride equipment was in that room previously. The current admin code, if you were to fill the

674
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:05,800
new pump house, would require that the fluoride be in its separate room. So, but according to

675
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:12,600
correspondence with Amy Cooley at the DNR, they wouldn't require separate room for chemical

676
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,680
or for fluoride equipment at well number two or any other well-facilitated had previously

677
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:26,680
had fluoride being added. But I noted in the memo that fluoride vapor is highly corrosive.

678
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,120
And it can etch glass and other surfaces and probe metal components of the mechanical electrical

679
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:37,960
and plumbing systems within the building. So that being a single room pump house, if you would put

680
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:45,560
the fluoride in there, there's it can lead to premature equipment failure due to the

681
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:51,880
the corrosiveness of the of the vapor from the fluoride. And we've seen this happening out of

682
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:58,760
well facilities where they've had just one room where the tiles and windows will

683
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,240
the glass and those will be etched over, we clouded over.

684
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,680
So our recommendations that if fluoride is added back at this facility, we would recommend

685
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,520
constructing a separate room for the fluoride to be housed and it would have a separate entrance,

686
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,160
separate ventilation system, separate lighting system so that there's no chance that the

687
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:25,080
vapors could go from that room into the pump room where the expensive pumping and control

688
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:35,560
equipment is. So in addition to that recommendation, when we were looking at that facility, we did

689
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:41,240
note that there were some deficiencies, some things that needed to be repaired to the age.

690
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:54,520
And things that the ceiling was starting to to sag, the roof probably needs to be replaced.

691
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:01,880
And there were other items that were need and repair of that. So our the cost opinion that's in

692
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:08,040
the memo also includes a line item for those repairs as well. And that is separated out from

693
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,760
what cost we needed just to have the fluoride equipment.

694
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:19,320
So that's well number two. And then well number three, that was previously.

695
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:29,000
Fluoride was previously added at that house as well. And the storage tank and the feed equipment

696
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,760
are no longer there at that facility either. This well house does include a separate room to house

697
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,360
the fluoride and the chemical feed equipment. So that feed equipment could be re-installed

698
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:46,760
in that room. There is an existing eyewash station. So because of the nature of fluoride,

699
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:52,920
it's corrosive chemical. And there was an eyewash station in that facility, but not a

700
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,240
drenched shower. And Wisconsin admin code chapter in our 811

701
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:08,120
requires that whenever you have a corrosive chemical, your employees could be exposed to

702
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:15,800
corrosive chemical that you provide eyewash and drenched shower methods for their safety.

703
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:23,560
This is stated in our 81142C1. And then also that actually points to

704
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,760
SPS building code, which then refers to OSHA. So it's ultimately coming from OSHA. So it's

705
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:41,320
an occupational federal standard. And then for those units that eyewash and drenched shower,

706
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,840
the water should be tepid, meaning it should be between 1600 degrees

707
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:54,520
per an ANSI standard. And that's so that if you have cold water on you, you're not likely to

708
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,560
stand in the shower or wash your eyes for a long enough period to remove that chemical.

709
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:08,120
So for this facility, then we recommend that an emergency eyewash and drenched shower installed

710
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:13,320
in addition to reinstating the chemical feed equipment. And then we have a cost opinion

711
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,720
for that at the end of the report as well. Well, number four is similar to well, number three,

712
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,760
and that there was a room there. And it previously fed fluoride at that facility.

713
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:33,960
So the equipment could be reinstalled. And again, there was not previously an eyewash

714
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:39,880
and drenched shower station. So we recommend that for OSHA requirements that you would

715
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,640
add the eyewash station to drenched shower and a hot water heater.

716
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,720
And then at well, number six, fluoride has never been added at that facility.

717
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:57,800
So in accordance with the current DNR administrative code, the fluoride tank and equipment required

718
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,840
for that, including a drenched shower and eyewash station would need to be put into a separate

719
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:12,680
chemical room. There's a space available in the existing meter room. And then also there is a

720
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:18,600
restroom that's adjacent to the existing chemical room. And because of the proximity of the restroom

721
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:29,480
to the chemical room, it would make it a better option to install the feed equipment in that

722
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:37,160
restroom after renovating that into a new fluoride room. And then framing out in the corner of the

723
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:46,840
meter room, a new restroom facility. And there's a cost of opinion for that at the back of the

724
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:57,560
proposal memo as well. So regulatory approvals would be needed for this or the DNR.

725
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:04,760
At the facilities, two, three, and four where you had fluoride added before,

726
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:11,720
they would still require you to submit plans that show the extent of the

727
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,320
heat equipment. And then they would need to prove that. If you were to add the

728
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:26,120
chemical feed room to well number two and well number six, make the renovations there,

729
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:32,520
those plans as well would have to go to the DNR approval. There was a question from staff about

730
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:38,280
if these buildings needed to go to the state, Department of Safety and Information Services

731
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:47,640
for building plan approval. And we looked into that and basically the volume of these buildings

732
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:54,520
is, these are not public buildings there. And the volume is less than 25,000 square feet.

733
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:04,120
So they don't need to go to the state for plan review. And there's citations in the memo there

734
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:09,560
that explains, explains that. And then the last part of the memo is the schedule.

735
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:17,560
And I guess that's that's outlined there. I guess one caveat I would say that

736
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:25,960
with the schedule that, unfortunately, well number three there, at the time I didn't catch

737
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,840
this revision that was needed. But the schedule for well number three should match that a well number

738
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:37,800
four. At first, we didn't realize that well number three did not have eye wash and dress shower in it.

739
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:42,360
So the schedule for well three should match well number four.

740
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:54,840
I think that's all that you mentioned at this point without getting too much into the details

741
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,800
or the weeds. If you have any questions, I can certainly answer those.

742
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,120
Melanie.

743
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,960
I think I heard you say this, but just to make sure I'm understanding correctly for well number two,

744
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:17,000
those additional repairs that you identified, like the ceiling and the roof.

745
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,120
And I think there are some electrical items identified. Is that line item number four alterations

746
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,680
to existing building just to get an understanding of the cost of those separate items, about 67,800

747
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,840
number? Okay. Thank you.

748
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,400
Alicia.

749
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:46,440
Looking at the cost for well number two, are the costs for, can they be separated from the

750
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:56,600
maintenance cost, like the roof versus, like, is that necessary to flow forward the maintenance?

751
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,440
It is not. So yeah, so line item number four under the cost opinion for well number two

752
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,640
is alterations to the existing building. And that is alterations that

753
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:16,600
most fire maintenance repairs that we're recommending in addition. So line items one through three

754
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:22,040
would be ones that you would need or just adding the floor back to that facility.

755
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:31,240
Right. And so if we decided to move forward with that, I guess I was just asking is line item four,

756
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,600
could that be put out another time, like moving or doing the roof on the building,

757
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,280
or that's not necessary to reflect floor eight, right?

758
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,240
Correct. Okay.

759
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:51,320
I guess I should clarify, there is a couple items, or one item.

760
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,440
That would carry over from line number four into

761
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,560
the floor at feet equipment number two would be a new water heater or the fluoride room.

762
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,960
Or if you don't do the separate fluoride room, you need to put it in the pump house.

763
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:20,280
But that's about 3,500 dollars to add the new water heater in the I wash drenched shower.

764
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,480
And that would, and I'm sorry, I need to clarify to what I previously said,

765
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,080
not items one is the fluoride room addition.

766
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:35,240
So item number two in three would be the line items that you would need just to add the fluoride

767
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:41,160
and then add to that the 3,500 for the water heater in the I wash station.

768
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Sorry, misspoke earlier about that.

769
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,080
Thank you. And I have can I ask a follow-up question?

770
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:55,880
The adding of the additional room, is there other options

771
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,080
to satisfy the requirements of safety?

772
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:07,960
Like could we put vents in there, or are there any other options that could have been explored?

773
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,320
I mean, the tank, if you put it into the main pump room,

774
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:21,800
it should be vented. No matter where that fluoride tank ends up, it should be vented to the outside.

775
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,640
That's a, you know, our requirement and something we recommend too, to keep any off-gassing

776
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:33,000
from out of that room. But, you know, these systems aren't 100% completely sealed.

777
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,280
So there is chances of off-gassing happening.

778
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:43,080
And then when you open the tank and to replenish the fluoride, that's when vapors are most likely

779
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,120
to escape from the tank and from the filling up the tank.

780
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:54,440
So there really isn't another good option other than putting it in a separate room by itself

781
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,440
to totally mitigate any vaporscape from the fluoride tank.

782
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:05,160
Okay. So it's not like we could have put vents in there or anything else.

783
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,240
You could, but the vapor is still going to be...

784
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,800
Or fans or anything. No other things to mitigate as risk will.

785
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,240
Okay. That's...

786
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,240
All right.

787
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,840
Forgive me, I have quite a few. I'll just keep going on that. We

788
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:32,120
had fluoride in that building before that pump or that well.

789
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:37,400
Well, and didn't have that separate room or almost had vents.

790
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,760
So is this a needed requirement or is just best practice?

791
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,840
It would be our recommendation at this point. It may be in a best practice.

792
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:57,720
The DNR has, through correspondence with Amy Cooley, has said that the DNR would not require

793
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,080
another separate room for that adding that feed equipment in.

794
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,760
And then along with that would be...

795
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:11,480
With the staff requests to take a look at other things in there that might need to be improved.

796
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,840
If electrical system is replaced, if there's improvements made in there,

797
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:25,160
and then put the fluoride in there that would etch and corrode all those new equipment in there.

798
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,480
It just... it didn't seem like it would be remiss of us not to recommend putting that

799
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:35,240
fluoride in a separate room. And then the same thing with the shower trench. Is that a requirement

800
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:43,080
or since it was existing before all you need is eyewash? That's an OSHA regulation that you

801
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:52,760
need to provide a method for eyewash and drench shower whenever employees are exposed to corrosive

802
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,000
chemicals. So previously they were just grandfathered in and didn't need to provide that?

803
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:06,760
Correct. And then the water heater again, that's a necessity. That's a requirement since it wasn't

804
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:11,400
there before. As if you need to provide tepid water to the eyewash trench shower.

805
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,320
And then what... you mentioned that the storage tanks were removed. What timeline was that?

806
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:24,840
I would have to have a judge answer that. So when the board authorized the discontinuation of

807
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:30,920
adding forward to the water, we removed those components. At the time when this was brought

808
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:38,280
forward, those pumps were failing. And during the debate time that we had, the three, four months,

809
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:43,960
one of the pumps actually did fail in that time frame. So there were two other pumps that were still

810
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,520
working, but barely. So when we discontinued it, those pumps were at or near the end of life,

811
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:57,080
so we just discarded them appropriately, as well as the containment systems that held

812
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,560
before it, the tanks that held before it, we got rid of those as well. So was it early last year then?

813
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:10,920
Yes, that seems right to me. And then the roof replacement, I understand you took

814
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:15,560
actual look, but if this would have to be done with a well, that wouldn't that be planned work

815
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:16,760
that's already in progress?

816
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,160
When we had this discussion, when Florid was discussed to be brought back, that's when we had

817
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,040
Verebecher and the architect, Marty, from Verebecher come and say, what do we need to do to these

818
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:35,720
wellhouses and share with us all that information, just so we knew, because if we're going to do a

819
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,880
bit and do a project at that wellhouse, it makes the most sense just to do it all at one time.

820
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:45,560
It's not to drive the cost up. These are the maintenance things that we would have

821
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,640
discovered at some other point in time and brought forward, but if this is the time that you want

822
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,520
to add Florid back in, we might suggest we do this at the same time. So it's one project,

823
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,880
one bid out to somebody to handle that at this time.

824
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,320
And if we didn't replace the roof right now, was the timeline where that would be a necessity?

825
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:13,240
I don't, I don't, I don't think roofs fail when they fail, like I don't know the, I don't

826
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:19,000
can't give you, it's going to happen in three years or two years, right? Their, their assessment

827
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:26,600
is that the roof should be replaced, so that's when we will do that. Okay. Question about the

828
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,880
supervisory controls. Was that previous, what was previously discussed as needing replacement as

829
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:40,360
a pumps or what exactly is that? So that's equipment then that monitors the tank levels

830
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:46,120
and then alerts staff, if those levels get too low, or if there's a malfunction with equipment.

831
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:55,720
So that was taken out of your control system when Florid was stopped being added. So now

832
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:03,160
with the new equipment being added back, that has to be reprogrammed and, and, and add it back in.

833
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:08,360
So there's some hardware and then there's some software reprogramming that your skater provider

834
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:15,160
needs to provide. And then last question, I have a curious on the timeline.

835
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,640
Wouldn't all of these improvements be done at the same time, building construction,

836
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,920
room additions and that four months for one and then four months for the next construction

837
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,480
part, right? They could, could it occur concurrently? Thank you.

838
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:33,880
Yeah.

839
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:43,160
So I'd say thank you for the detailed explanation of well two and Alicia for bringing that up.

840
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,400
So I guess when I originally looked at this, I thought they were all,

841
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:56,520
all due to say Florid. So I wonder if we could look at the other ones and maybe have a bit of the same

842
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:05,160
discussion because I can tell you at least with the well two, when you take out what you said was

843
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:17,240
like the 53,600, the 5,900, 5,300. Then I think you said 3500 of the number four is all due

844
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:24,600
to the Florid edition. Then if you add in the consistent, their contingency in engineering,

845
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:36,600
you're at about 90,000 rather than this 173,000. And I guess what I want to do is I like to get

846
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:42,520
some round numbers of what really is say the the Florid edition with the other wells.

847
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:50,200
And then my continuing question, why I originally raised my hand, is I think these are the four

848
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:56,440
wells that are existing. Is that correct? And we're talking about building another well soon.

849
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:03,880
So I'm quite, I would like the answer of how much it would be to add Florid approximately to a

850
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:11,320
future well. So if you look at the estimate for well number four, can you move closer to the mic,

851
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:17,800
if you if you look at the estimate for well number four, those three line items, adding the

852
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,440
Florid feed equipment, the eye wash and drench shower and water heater, and then the SCADA system

853
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:29,800
updates, if you chose not to add the extra room to well number two to house the Florid,

854
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,800
and if you chose not to make the improvements with repairs that we're recommending,

855
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,680
this would be the cost that would be needed for well number two to add the Florid.

856
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:50,680
Hey, can you bring up the other two wells? Is it the same thing?

857
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:59,720
Three and four would be the same. Number six is different because that

858
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:08,280
that facility you didn't add Florid for. So the the the DNR is not willing to accept

859
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:17,480
the plan of just putting Florid into the chemical room there. They would require that a separate

860
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:27,080
Florid feed room be constructed at that facility. So that cost opinion for number six,

861
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,720
as it is presented with those four items would be the cost that you need to

862
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:39,480
add Florid at that well facility. Okay, and then I guess the final question and

863
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:44,280
the future well, would that be somewhat similar to well number six then?

864
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,880
That's I mean you would

865
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,760
that's a little more difficult to ask me off the fly for well number six.

866
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:06,120
You know, we're doing some alterations to an existing room where a new facility we would

867
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:14,920
build that right away purposed for the Florid room. So there would probably be less the the

868
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:21,080
Florid related construction and equipment would be the same, but the construction would probably

869
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,040
be less than what would be incurred for well number six.

870
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,520
That's all I had to know. Okay, thanks, Jim. I have a couple of things.

871
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,200
Skata, is that how you say it? Skata system? Skata system.

872
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:48,600
Previously used, this is an update on the Skata system. So we had one, but it was

873
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:55,640
this both of? No, so you have a Skata system right now. So that's supervising control and data

874
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:06,040
acquisition with Skata stands for. You had the that had each well facility that fed Florid before

875
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:16,040
you had it monitoring the Florid feed equipment. So there's equipment that monitors the level in

876
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:25,080
the tank and that there's a small computer there that then transmits that information

877
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:33,800
to the master control. So that the hardware that was monitoring the tank levels

878
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:41,240
needs to be reinstated or purchased and put back in wiring connections need to be made

879
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:47,560
and then there's reprogramming that your Skata provider needs to do to add monitoring those

880
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,920
Florid from those facilities back into the system.

881
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,840
So is that system still there, but it's missing part of it?

882
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:05,960
At the mass? At the current corridor. Yeah, so you're monitoring the chlorine that's being fed

883
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:11,080
right now that's being monitored and the well pump operation is being monitored and the elevated

884
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,960
tank levels are being monitored. So everything's being monitored still? Still, right. It's just

885
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,760
the Florid was taken away. Yeah, what does that entail to take that away?

886
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:28,280
To take it away? Yeah, it's just the physical removal of the equipment. I think at that time

887
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,840
with scales that we're monitoring the level in the tank. Is that functional equipment?

888
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:40,680
I'm sorry. Is it functional equipment? I presume so. Yeah. And where did it go?

889
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:50,120
Three wells that had monitoring equipment, right? So the wells had

890
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:57,480
two by two scales for different type of tanks when we had been switching all the chlorine

891
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:05,960
tanks to center scales that are inside the tanks. So now the it's a completely different

892
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:15,800
way of wane calculating the use of the chlorine or fluoride. The sensors are in the tank and

893
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:21,640
that's how it reads. So it's completely different. Or the old system, the tank set on the scale on

894
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:27,720
the floor. Okay, so we're talking about updating the tank that's set on the floor system,

895
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,560
the scale that's set on the floor system to something just sophisticated. Yeah.

896
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:40,840
So we didn't take any parts out and just do away with them. No. Okay. But apparently we did with

897
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:47,960
the fluoride equipment that was there. Pumps and whatnot because it was all dying?

898
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,240
Pumps are failing.

899
01:24:51,240 --> 01:25:03,560
So they were everything was failing in all of the wells.

900
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:11,800
That's why I brought it forth in the beginning was because the pumps were failing. So did we

901
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,240
want to spend the money to replace those pumps, which would have been upgrades and different

902
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:21,640
things. So, I mean, we didn't they weren't you the board voted to discontinue using fluoride.

903
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,000
Those were antiquated systems as it was. So we got rid of those things.

904
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,760
They just we disposed of them properly. I don't know, but maybe you and our vendor might have

905
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:41,000
taken them to get rid of them would have been the scales one on surplus and we're sold.

906
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:47,880
Would we offer them? Not much. They're old. Nobody really uses them.

907
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:56,600
We bought them. Some people buy everything. We had that deep build desk up here. That sold on surplus.

908
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,800
I'm sorry, guys. I'm going to interrupt you.

909
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,400
All of these are sounds to me like well, too is kind of falling down. It's got roof problems,

910
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:14,200
it's got ceiling problems, it's got all kinds of problems. That was just noticed.

911
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:20,840
Why isn't it in the capital? So is it in the capital improvement plan? I don't think it should.

912
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:27,080
The thing that we were looking at really for well, too, is if we were going to add that

913
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:36,360
extra room, we have to put we have to add a new rough right to that. And that's going to continue

914
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:43,240
on the roof. So you might as well replace the rough to go over that new rough. So it's all

915
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:52,280
the same age. And we know that rough is really old. It's an old rubber rough. And I would say

916
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:59,160
five to seven years, we'd be probably looking at a new rough. But if you're adding a new room that

917
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:07,320
needs a new rough over the top of that, you might as well just replace it the whole rough on the

918
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:19,640
building. That was my thought. Okay. Alicia? I think really just a point of clarification to

919
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:25,320
kind of what Jedd alluded to is the board had previously voted to remove fluoride in lieu of

920
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:31,240
basically we would have had this conversation anyway if we would have kept fluoride in because

921
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:37,160
of all of the repairs that needed. So these costs would have had need to be

922
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:44,200
basically needed to bring us up to par with our system, right?

923
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:53,560
Most of it? Yeah. I mean, at that point, the DNR said we didn't, you know, we had fluoride and

924
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,080
chlorine in the same room, right? So we would have, I don't know if we would have brought

925
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:02,840
the subject of putting in a separate room at that point or not. But yeah, otherwise, and at some

926
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:08,200
point, while six, the DNR should have caught that they didn't. It should have had fluoride.

927
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,760
The second it became part of the villages water system when we took it over from Burke,

928
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:20,200
or especially when we interconnected the two. But that was overlooked by the DNR at that point.

929
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:28,280
One more question. And really, too, so where to, I think it's the most important that we have

930
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:32,520
like all the safety standards for handling with the eyewash station. And then of course, we need

931
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:38,920
the water heater. So it's type of, but where did, why did we have that lack in our standards being

932
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,840
not, not up being a standard? I guess I'm saying like, shouldn't someone have been checking that?

933
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:51,880
Or is this kind of like, we kind of open the door to look at it. And so then we need to make

934
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:57,480
sure everything's up into standard for OSHA. Sure. Probably a little both, right? So it was,

935
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:06,200
we had eyewash stations in most locations. You know, I, as when the door opens, then we start to look

936
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:11,720
at what else is, what's there, what should we have, you know, that to meet the today's standards?

937
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:21,000
I just also want to add, you know, as we're looking at well to the electrical portion of that, if,

938
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:29,240
if that addition were to be added, that's where the electrical portion came in, is that box is

939
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:37,800
actually fused boxes, not the normal standard fuses boxes that you see in your homes, breaker boxes.

940
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:45,560
These are actually bound views. Yes, it's kind of always been there. It's always worked for what

941
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:53,560
we have there. But if we were to add that extra addition, that's where we would want to come up to

942
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:59,560
bring things up to code. Brad?

943
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:08,360
So I get we did an in-depth dive here of what was exactly needed. What's the difference between

944
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:16,280
the March 17th meeting? We had a 205 to $245,000 estimate to do all this work, and now it's

945
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:24,200
$100,000 more. What changed in that time frame? Well, certainly once we brought

946
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:29,000
them in, and they did actual analyzation, right? So

947
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:39,080
when did you guys come and tour that with us? Is that in March time frame? January, right? So

948
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:47,320
they had not done any, they were still working on it. So just architects, architectural firms are

949
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:52,600
backlogged. There's a short supply of architects. So if there's students listening, maybe I'll get

950
01:30:52,680 --> 01:31:00,280
architecture. But anyways, so it's no different with beer Becker and their architect. He's backlog

951
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:06,280
right? So we brought him in. They did the stuff, but it took them. They started working on it,

952
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:12,520
then this got paused, then it restarted again. So I asked them to expedite that. So we get actual

953
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:19,560
opinions of probable costs, not back of a napkin kind of costs, right? So when they were in,

954
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,960
they looked at it, and then that's when the ceiling and other things that are not directly

955
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,120
attributable to fluoride, but it's something that we should consider doing if we're going to be making

956
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:35,560
these improvements. I'll just add, when we invited that first cost, that's from a contractor,

957
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:41,800
kind of looking at the building on Mall 2, just saying these are rough estimates, you know,

958
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:50,520
that we think that it would cost between Mall 6 and Mall 2. So when you look at these costs,

959
01:31:51,400 --> 01:32:01,080
you got engineering and contingency costs just for well 6, that's $23,000, and then you go to well

960
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:09,720
2, 3, and 4. I mean, that's almost $100,000 right there. I'm looking at it, but it all adds up.

961
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:23,640
Just have one thing. So I think I read that the DNR confirmed that we can legally place

962
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:30,680
for our back in all the wells. We don't have to do well 6 to get everything started, right?

963
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:37,880
So in essence, we could defer that $100,000 cost and start re-fluorinating immediately,

964
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:44,200
like we wouldn't need to do well 6. You have to do well 6 at some point. The DNR said

965
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:51,560
they've granted an exception, I guess, that we could begin to fluoridate as the wells are

966
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:57,320
made available to have fluoride added in, right? So the quickest wells to have fluoride added back

967
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:04,440
in would be 3 and 4. To as well, if you are saying you don't want to add a separate containment

968
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:11,080
room, right? We can certainly upgrade well to put the fluoride back in right next to the chlorine,

969
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:16,680
and then we'd have to add vents because there were not vents previously. So the DNR has

970
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:21,240
said you would need to make sure that room is properly vented. So there would be a varying cost

971
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:27,880
to that. It doesn't make, just in my opinion, you can take it for what it's worth. It doesn't

972
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:32,840
make sense to put it in if you want us to do a separation room, like either we put it back in

973
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,840
exactly how it was and they're right next to each other, or we do a separation room and not

974
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,760
put them in and then move it to a separation room, we just be incurring additional costs.

975
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:48,440
So that's your choice to give us that direction. So there was a timeline. Was that when I get to

976
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:59,000
that on here? So the timelines would be six to eight months for wells 3 and 4 to do that, right?

977
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:08,680
So there's these things that take two months. The DNR review can take up to 90 days. It probably

978
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:14,200
won't take 90 days in talking with the DNR, but that's their standard is they have to have a review

979
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:19,720
done within 90 days. So that's why we put that in there. Then there's going over bid.

980
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:25,240
In contract award takes four weeks and that construction could take two months. So that's

981
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:31,320
where it's a six to eight month range before that's in. You have a little bit more in depth.

982
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:39,720
Things happening at wells two and six. So that would take a longer time frame from 10 to 14 months.

983
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:48,600
But the DNR has said we could start to Florida and we would be under the amount, right? So the

984
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:58,920
0.7 parts per million is where they measure us at. I don't know they would be there when we'd

985
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,440
send in our samples, but they would know that they're below that deviation.

986
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,800
They're acceptable of that, right?

987
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,560
That's what they confirm to us in in email correspondences.

988
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:21,320
Okay, if that's it for everybody up here, I guess we'll move on to public appearances

989
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:29,720
on this particular topic. So we have pre-registered Ed Morgan Roth Jr.

990
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:35,720
I'd like to come up to the mic. Oh, Mr. Stork is speaking for Mr. Morgan Roth.

991
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,000
You please identify yourself in the municipality.

992
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:48,280
I'm Mark Stork. I live in DeForest as does Ed Morgan Roth.

993
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:54,760
Ed's statement is my name is Ed Morgan Roth Jr. And I am a DeForest Village resident.

994
01:35:55,400 --> 01:36:00,200
I did not support the removal of fluoride and I am asking the village to begin fluoridation

995
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:06,120
of the entire village's water supply as soon as possible. Fluoridation of the municipal water

996
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:11,480
systems has been widespread across virtually the entire country, including Wisconsin since

997
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:19,000
the 1960s and 70s. The scientific evidence around fluoridation is very clear. It reduces cavities

998
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:25,720
thereby improving dental and overall health in a safe manner. My understanding is that there are

999
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:32,040
no zero credible scientific studies to date using the recommended fluoridation level of

1000
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:39,240
0.7 milligrams per liter that show any harm or negative health impacts of fluoridation.

1001
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:45,400
And I am not aware of any studies indicating adverse health impacts at the recommended level

1002
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:51,240
being cited by the anti fluoride activists. As further support, the following highly respected

1003
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:57,560
U.S. and Wisconsin health organizations continue to support the fluoridation of the municipal water

1004
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:03,960
drinking systems at the recommended 0.7 milligrams per liter level. The U.S. Center for Disease

1005
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,800
Control and Prevention, American Dental Association, Wisconsin Department of Health Services,

1006
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,760
American Academy of Pediatrics, American Dental Hygienist Association.

1007
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:20,200
For all the above reasons, I urge the board to vote tonight to implement fluoridation water

1008
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:26,200
treatment for the entire village at the recommended level and to direct the staff to begin a phased

1009
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:32,360
implementation immediately. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. I'm sorry, folks. I keep forgetting

1010
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:40,280
to say that there is a three-minute limit on speaking. I have a question. Go ahead.

1011
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:46,440
I wish Mr. Morgan Roth was here because I'd like to ask him this question, and Mark, you

1012
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:51,880
probably won't be able to answer this question. But since I could say Ed, if I were, you know,

1013
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:58,760
had gone to a hotel express or something, but I'll see what I can do. Okay, so I'm going to ask

1014
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:05,240
it because it's his statement, and I appreciate his statement. But my question is, and what I'm

1015
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:13,400
curious about is that Mr. Morgan Roth wrote to the village board an email dated May 13th

1016
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:23,240
and requested in that email, it says, I urge the board to vote to implement fluoridation water

1017
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:30,600
treatment for the entire village. And in his subject line, it says the May 19th board meeting,

1018
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:39,480
fluoridation issue. My question is, how did he know about this when the agenda for the

1019
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:47,240
meeting was not put out to the public, nor to even I as a trustee until noon on May 15th,

1020
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:54,760
on May 19th. Excellent question. May 15th, May 15th. I have no clue. I am very curious about that,

1021
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,920
and I just have some concerns about it. But thank you.

1022
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,320
Okay, just as a reminder, folks, there cannot be conversation, give and take back and forth

1023
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:10,440
between our speakers and the board. There is allowed one clarifying question by the trustees,

1024
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,000
and in the interest of time, if you all could keep it short, that'd be great.

1025
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,920
Next pre-registered speaker is Amy Anderson, speaking in opposition.

1026
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:28,040
I think the green lights lit, Amy, if you would just identify yourself and the municipality you live in, please.

1027
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:34,280
Hi, my name is Amy Anderson. I'm a resident and a health care provider of the community.

1028
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:40,520
I live at 824 Clover Lane, and my practice is at 124 South Main Street.

1029
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:47,480
I'm here tonight because I'm troubled, not just because of the fluoridation question itself,

1030
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:55,000
but by the process that's been going on. The community already voted to remove fluoride from our water.

1031
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:59,560
That decision wasn't made carelessly. There were a lot of reasons behind it.

1032
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:06,600
It reflected real concerns about the risk, benefit, balance of systemic fluoride consumption,

1033
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:11,720
systemic drinking in our body, and it reflected the will of the people this board serves.

1034
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:18,680
Now, some people want to reverse that ruling, and I want to ask, whose voice are we honoring here?

1035
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:25,160
Pharmaceutical grade fluoride is different than the stuff that we had to water.

1036
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,480
That's what the studies were done on. We can get it through toothpaste,

1037
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:34,920
gonadunist, topical treatments, there are other things that people use to prevent cavities,

1038
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:40,920
and it delivers the benefit where it's needed without the risk that come with consuming.

1039
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,720
The possible risks and the risks that some studies have shown.

1040
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:48,760
You can find studies for things on both sides. You really have to dig into the science behind this.

1041
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:55,640
The science of ingested fluoride, though, specifically that HFSA can't say the real word,

1042
01:40:55,640 --> 01:41:02,520
so I'm going to hyphenate it, which is the waste product and industry, has become very complicated,

1043
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:07,640
particularly regarding children and neurological effects. I have four kids of my own.

1044
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:13,560
They've never had fluoride in their life, and we've had one cavity.

1045
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:20,920
But I also specialize in my practice in taking care of pregnant women, infants,

1046
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:24,200
breastfeeding specialists, and I take care of kids, too.

1047
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:30,600
And a large part of what I do is helping families guide them in making healthy choices.

1048
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,800
So many people have come to me. They don't want this, and they're afraid to speak out.

1049
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,240
And they don't have time because they're a Paul Knight nurse and they're babies in there.

1050
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:44,440
Tired. The goal here, healthy teeth and healthy kids, is we all share this.

1051
01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:47,160
We all share this goal. This is not like us against them.

1052
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,640
The disagreement is about how we get it there. And there are methods available

1053
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,920
that don't require the entire community to consume fluoride.

1054
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,080
And a lot of us object to that, and a lot of us filter our water because of it.

1055
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:02,440
It's very expensive to do.

1056
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,040
I urge the board to honor the vote that was already taken.

1057
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:11,080
If there's a desire to revisit this, the right path is broader community engagement,

1058
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:15,000
not a reversal push-through before the oppositions that adequate opportunity be heard.

1059
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,880
Please just table this voting for later time. There's a lot of costs that we've seen that.

1060
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:25,240
And as we know when you build, it's going to be probably double what they say because it always

1061
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:30,840
happens. I personally get daily input, like daily input of people in the community that don't want

1062
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,360
it. And they're confused that it's even up for a vote tonight. They didn't know.

1063
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,480
So if they don't know, how can they come and speak their concerns?

1064
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:42,040
So I just really urge you not to vote on it tonight. Keep it where it's at.

1065
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:46,920
Thanks for your time. Thank you, Amy. Any questions?

1066
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:54,280
Jim? Amy, I heard your bit of your background, and I'm wondering,

1067
01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:04,600
say, when do children say would doctors recommend or not recommend giving children

1068
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:09,400
water with fluoride? Do you know that? Well, water with fluoride, but fluoride treatments don't start.

1069
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:17,080
You'd have to ask a dentist for sure. And since we just haven't done them, I think it's four or five

1070
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:22,920
topically. But you brush your teeth early then, but they say don't use a brush. Don't use fluoride

1071
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:29,640
toothpaste because they swallow it in their little. So there's other toothpaste without

1072
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:35,640
fluoride in it for them. Thank you, I guess. I guess I don't spot the water. I'm good.

1073
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:43,160
And there's a dentist in the room somewhere. Well, the kind of to that, like we're breastfeeding

1074
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:49,480
and for making formula, you're not supposed to use tap water because of the fluoride and

1075
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:53,800
the other chemicals right there. Thanks.

1076
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Next pre-registered again, and Mark Stork is speaking on behalf of Nina Harms.

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Mark Stork speaking for Nina Harms, who lives in the forest.

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I have spoken about the need for fluoride in our municipal drinking water before in front of this

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board. Unfortunately, I am not able to physically attend tonight's meeting. But Mark has graciously

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agreed to read my statement. As a former biology teacher, my first lesson to my sophomores was

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understanding the scientific method. We discussed what a fact is, what a hypothesis is, and what a

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01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:46,120
theory is. We learned how scientists do exhaustive research, which is peer review multiple times.

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I think most adults today could benefit from a brief refresher than how the scientific process

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worked, but I don't have the time necessary to teach tonight. My master's thesis was about the

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01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:05,160
scientific literacy of Americans. Back in 2000, it was already a pizmo, and it has only gotten worse.

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Science has lost the support of so much of this populace. This was exacerbated by the COVID pandemic,

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01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:18,680
where the science was not communicated clearly. This is a common problem in the scientific community,

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01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:24,200
the inability to make things understandable, while the voices of conspiracy theories are

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01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:30,440
amplified by our media. The exact same thing happened after the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918

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01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:37,560
and 1919. The public lost all faith in science, and it took the polio epidemic and sulks vaccine

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01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:43,320
to bring back confidence. I hate to think what it would be take today with all the misinformation

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01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:49,000
that spreads and breeds on social media in a world where one can live in a bubble and find the answers

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01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:54,840
that support what they already believe, fact, lose their power. The facts are, fluoride in the

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01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:00,360
municipal water system prevents tooth decay. Fact, the amount of fluoride in the water is carefully

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01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:05,480
monitored to prevent overdose. Fact, fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral that is found

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primarily in calcium phosphate rock, from which is purified and put in either a liquid suspension

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01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,360
or in a powder form to add to water. If you believe that fluoride comes from industrial waste,

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01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:21,880
you can find that information on many ridiculous blogs and Facebook posts that completely ignore

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01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:27,320
reality, but that doesn't make it true. In a world where facts seem to matter less and less

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01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:33,320
and crazy debunked ideas run among, I fear that this dilemma is much more far reaching than this

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01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:38,920
debate over fluoride. I shudder to think what it will take for people to reembrace the facts

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of science again. Thank you for your attention to this manner. Nina Harms to Forest resident for 16

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years. Thank you. No questions. Next up is John Schmidt.

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Am I on? All right. My name is John Schmidt, Nick. I own a home at 717 West Mohawk Trail.

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I have recited at this residence for the past 24 years with 21 years with my wife Lynn.

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As the forest residents and taxpayers, we did not support the removal of fluoride from the

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01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:30,440
village water supply. As the forest residents and taxpayers, we fully support the village

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restoring fluoride as soon as possible. We have all heard the arguments for and against fluoride.

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01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:44,200
The overwhelming data is and continues to be in strong support of fluoride and the benefits it

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01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:51,720
provides. As a community, we owe it to our most vulnerable residents to provide this protection.

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The village residents, the taxpayers, have clearly spoken on this topic.

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A trustee has been recalled and then subsequently defeated in the recall election.

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Leading up to that election, an additional candidate entered the contest with similar fluoride views.

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01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:21,640
Those two candidates combined received 20% of the vote. The taxpayers sent a clear message.

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01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:29,000
Shortly after the election, a board member with the same views abruptly resigned.

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01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:38,440
The spring election produced a similar outcome. The anti-fluoride incumbent received just over 12%

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01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:46,120
of the vote. Once again, the taxpayers sent a message. At the end of the day, the results

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01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:53,160
speak loud and clear that the forest taxpayers were not happy with the decision to remove.

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It's time for the forest to get rid of the black eye. Please vote to restore fluoride

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and direct staff to begin phased implementation. Thank you.

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01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:08,760
Thank you, John.

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01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:16,520
Excuse me. Next, and I apologize, Becky. Becky, you're safe.

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Call me how I did. You did better than some.

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01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:31,080
They had poor me. Becky, you're safe.

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You're safe. Just missed the G. Okay. Thanks.

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01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:37,240
And I am a resident of the forest and my address is on the forum.

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I understand there are strong opinions on both sides of the fluoride issue.

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And I respect that people care deeply about our community and our water system.

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What concerns me most is that this issue is being reopened after a decision has already been made.

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There should be value placed on consistency and honoring prior decisions.

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01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:06,680
At some point, as a community, we need stability and predictability.

1132
01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:14,360
Reopening highly contentious issues every time board membership changes can create ongoing

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01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:22,200
conflict, frustration, and uncertainty for residents. It risks creating a cycle where decisions are

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01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:28,040
continually revisited until one side ultimately gets the outcome they want.

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01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:34,120
I'm also concerned that a decision of this magnitude is being considered while the village

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01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:42,040
board does not currently have its full seven member representation and issue this divisive

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01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:48,520
with significant financial and community-wide impact should be considered with a fully seated

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01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:55,320
board. Residents deserve complete representation before major decisions like this are revisited.

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I also believe the financial impact should be carefully considered. We're talking about

1140
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:07,480
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on an issue that has already created significant

1141
01:51:07,480 --> 01:51:13,880
division within the community. Whether residents support fluoride or oppose it, I think many

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01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:19,480
people are simply tired of the conflict and would rather see the village focus on issues that

1143
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:24,920
bring people together and move our community forward. My hope is that the board carefully

1144
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:31,160
considers whether now is truly the right time to revisit this issue. Residents deserve stability,

1145
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:37,160
consistency, and full representation before major decisions that affect the entire community

1146
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:44,840
are reconsidered. I urge you please pause any decision on this matter tonight. Thank you.

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You Becky.

1148
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:56,680
Next up I have Sarah with no last name who pre-registered and I believe she's on Zoom.

1149
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That is correct. We'll just need a moment to give her ability.

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01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:23,720
Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, we can, Sarah. Go ahead. You have three minutes.

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01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:32,920
Thank you so much. In 2024, a federal judge ruled water fluoridation poses an unreasonable risk

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01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:43,800
of injury. In 2025, the FDA chose to protect children from fluoride by banning the drug for

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01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:51,480
all children under the age of three. Moreover, the state health department acknowledges that

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01:52:51,480 --> 01:53:00,760
ingesting fluoride causes disfigurement in children in the form of dental fluorosis. Given these

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01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:09,400
basic facts, I believe that what this board is doing constitutes its child abuse under the law.

1156
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Under chapter 948 crimes against children, specifically 948.03 physical abuse of children.

1157
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:33,880
Definitions says in this section recklessly means conduct, which creates a situation of unreasonable

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01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:44,120
risk of harm to and demonstrates a conscious disregard for the safety of the child. Using the

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01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:52,360
waterworks to medicate two-year-olds against a parent's wishes is acting both unreasonably

1160
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and reckless because ingesting this FDA-defined chemical drug causes well-established harms,

1161
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which is exactly why doctors are no longer allowed to write prescriptions for fluoride tablets

1162
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for children. It's clear that this board wants to intentionally put a chemical drug in the water

1163
01:54:20,440 --> 01:54:31,160
that causes actual known harms to children. I implore this board to resist that urge because

1164
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:40,600
you have a legal duty of care to protect children, not medicate them. In anyone who fails to act

1165
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:49,640
tonight to stop this barbaric practice to prevent bodily injury to babies is culpable under the

1166
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:58,440
state law and in the eyes of the Lord. Please, do not contaminate the water with hydrofluorosolic

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acid commonly referred to as fluoride. For doing so is reckless endangerment of children.

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Thank you.

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Sarah, for the record, I don't have your last name, the proper spelling of Sarah and what

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municipality you live in.

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That is compelled speech, so I will not be giving that information, but thank you for asking.

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Okay, thank you.

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Next is Kerry Spencer, representing the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, also on Zoom.

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01:55:53,800 --> 01:56:12,680
Hi, this is Kerry Spencer. Thank you for that. Sorry, just a little delay with being able to

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unmute. Good evening. My name is Kerry Spencer. I work for the Wisconsin Department of Health

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Services and the Oral Health Program. The Oral Health Program received a request to provide

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information on community water fluoridation equipment grants to the DeForest Village Board this

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evening. Each year, the Department of Health Services has funding for community water fluoridation

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equipment grants. This funding allows community to upgrade, install equipment that will make

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fluoridation systems easier to operate, provide more accurate dosing, and increase the safety

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and environmental conditions inside chemical storage rooms. This grant opportunity is currently

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available until June 5th of 2026. Applicants awarded will be notified by June 1st of 2026,

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and communities awarded will have from July 1st to June 30th of 2027 to purchase and install equipment.

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Information to know about this grant is it's a non-matching grant opportunity. The allowable

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project expenses for this grant include chemical tanks and ventilation, pumps and valves, fluoride

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:34,760
testing equipment, scales and radar sensors, personal protective equipment, emergency eyewash

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and showers, room exhaust and ventilation and equipment calibration. If the village of DeForest

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decides to resume community water fluoridation, the information on this grant has been shared with

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you for your convenience. The information provided has what I shared tonight as well as how to contact

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the Oral Health Program and where to apply for funding. Thank you for your time this evening

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and allowing me to share this information with you. Thank you, Kerry. Oh, I'm sorry, Jim.

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01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:16,760
That's a question. Thank you for attending tonight, Kerry. I'm curious, or I'm wondering how much you

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01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:26,040
can share as far as the grant. Is there a range that we would anticipate or hire low or anything

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01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:30,680
else you could share for the dollar amount we could expect?

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Sorry, Jim. I was just waiting to be able to unmute. So there is no limit. So we typically advise

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communities to ask for what they need. And obviously, we don't have unlimited funds,

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so we award what is within our means. This application does go out to communities all across

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the state. So I would say ask for what you need. And we certainly can review it and determine what

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seems appropriate and what our funding is available. I hope that answered your question.

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Hang on a second, Kerry, Bill Chang. There's a question.

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Hi, this is Bill Chang just wondering in regards to application in the application process

1202
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at each stage, is an applicant able or eligible to apply two seasons in a row?

1203
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:47,400
Yes. Thank you.

1204
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:55,480
I guess Kerry, I don't feel like maybe you answered the question. Could you tell me the highest

1205
01:59:55,480 --> 02:00:03,160
grant you've already ever given and say the last couple of years? The funding varies from

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community to community. I would say we have some communities that ask for $2,000 and we have some

1207
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that are 40 or 50. Each year, I think we typically fund anywhere between 8 to 12 communities.

1208
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And again, the requests are just all across the board.

1209
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So it's hard to say, we'll give you up to this amount. I think.

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Thank you. That our answer is it.

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Thank you, Kerry. Next, Christy Shirley in person.

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Just give us your name and what municipality you live in.

1213
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:02,520
I'm Christy Shirley. I live at 301 Riverwood, Benton de Forest.

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So first, I'd like to ask you tonight to keep fluoride out of our village water.

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Not because everyone agrees that fluoride is harmful, but because every person should have the right

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to decide what goes into their own body. You know, we live in a time where my body, my choice,

1217
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has become a powerful principle in our society. And we're told that personal medical decisions

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belong to an individual. Now, if we truly believe in bodily autonomy, then that principle should

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apply consistently, including when it comes to adding fluoride to the public drinking water.

1220
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Fluoride is already widely available to anyone who wants it. So in the toothpaste,

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mouth rinses, dental treatments, supplements, and people who believe fluoride benefits them

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02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:54,920
already have easy access to it and can choose to use it every day if they wish.

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But for those who do not want fluoride in their bodies, avoiding it is far more difficult and

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expensive. It's not as simple as buying bottled water. Fluoridated water affects cooking, bathing,

1225
02:02:08,120 --> 02:02:14,840
watering gardens, pets, and plants. And proper filtration systems remove fluoride from an entire

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home or costly and unrealistic for many families. So when fluoride is added to the water supply,

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there's no meaningful way to opt out. That removes personal choice from every resident in our

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community. Leaving fluoride out of the village water is the true compromise. It's a win-win.

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Because those who want fluoride can still freely choose it through products and supplements,

1230
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:44,760
but those who don't want it can also maintain that choice without financial burden or forced

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exposure. This issue is bigger than fluoride itself. It's about whether individuals retain

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the right to make personal choices for themselves and their families. So I respectfully ask the

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board to protect that freedom to keep fluoride out of our village water. Thank you.

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Next speaker, Bernard Cox.

1235
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:27,960
Good evening, Bernard Cox. I need a nine-liberty drive. I've been a resident for 30 years.

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Over the last year, the citizens of the village have watched fluoridation policies spring back

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02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:41,960
and forth, not because science suddenly changed, but because political makeup of this board changed.

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One board removed fluoride, another attempted to restore it and it failed. Now it's another

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political shift. The village is preparing to reverse course again, while projected costs

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continue to escalate. Residents were told this project would cost around $200,000,

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02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:04,600
updated engineering documents now exceed $300,000. I continue to believe true term long costs

1242
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ultimately will approach $500 to $700,000 when Bill's done. All the infrastructure,

1243
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engineering, skate, and integration facility modifications, operational services are included.

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That should concern every taxpayer in the village because this is no longer a public health

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02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:29,800
discussion. This is also a fiscal responsibility issue. It's tied directly to what constitutes

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02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:35,400
protecting all citizens' health safety. I'm not a scientist and I'm not a toxicologist.

1247
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And with all due respect, neither is this board nor the staff are positioned to independently

1248
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resolve complex fluoride health and safety questions currently under EPA in court review.

1249
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Yet the board continues to move forward as though the questions are already settled.

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Because this is a responsibility this board is truly to protect public health and safety

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02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:05,480
than caution and restraint should be exercised. While nationally recognized experts,

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federal agencies in the courts continue to review various standards being relied upon tonight.

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In fact, the village owned correspondence with the Wisconsin DNR now confirmed fluoridation

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is an elective chemical and it's optional. You're all speaking here tonight like it's required. It's

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02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:35,400
not. It's optional. At the same time, there's ongoing concerns involving NTB related contamination

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impacts associated with known hydrocarbon plumes issue affecting portions of this system right now.

1257
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MTB is in our water right now. And we're spending $300,000 to add chemicals to do it when we're

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02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:57,640
not spending anything to take chemicals out of it. But it's not reasonable to ask whether

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02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:03,880
taxpayer dollars would be better spent addressing known contamination concerns first before community,

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large sums of towards additional elective chemical treatment systems, independent testing of my

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02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:17,160
own residential water supply also confirms that naturally occurring background floor already

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remains present in the village as we speak to the point of point two. And that's when you took

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02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:30,120
it out already. It's already out. My water test says it's still in. This is not a question.

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Zero fluoride versus fluoride. Bernard, I'm sorry, your time is up. Thank you.

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Question. Can you go back to tell us why the MTBSs are more important than adding the fluoride?

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An independent national lab test my water in in March. It shows clearly MTB's. It's a

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byproduct of volume products, usually from underground storage techniques. That was my

1268
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fourth day. I worked for the state for seven years at the underground above ground storage

1269
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tank progress. They say no. MTB's are impacting the wellhead according to this water test right

1270
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now. The point where it's only 0.7 feet seven underneath the legal limits before we had to take

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any technical legal actions. MTB's are working. Thank you.

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Next speaker is Rebecca Withers.

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Rebecca Witherspoon, divorce resident. My address is on file. I am once again speaking

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in opposition to the reintroduction of fluoride back into our municipal water supply.

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As this board knows, I previously submitted an ADA accommodation request related to this issue

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and I am currently working with my physician to provide the medical documentation the

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village requested. During that process, blood testing has revealed that I have significantly

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elevated arsenic levels in my body as serious medical concern that my doctor and I are now

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actively addressing. And yet this board appears determined to move forward with adding a chemical

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to our water supply that is known to contain arsenic and other toxic contaminants. This

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is no longer an abstract policy debate for me. This directly impacts my health, my safety,

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02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:52,280
and my ability to safely access the public utility that I am forced to pay for and cannot

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02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:58,280
realistically avoid. Some have unrealistically suggested I should simply buy bottled water or

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02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:03,800
install expensive filtration systems. But why should residents be forced to both pay to have

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02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:09,160
a substance added to our water and then pay again to remove it in order to protect their health?

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Also of concern is the repeated claim by some trustees that there is zero scientific evidence

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showing potential harm from fluoridation. Those claims are simply false. There is ongoing

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scientific debate. There are numerous recent studies raising concerns about neurotoxicity

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02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:34,200
and cumulative exposure. And in September 2024, federal court found sufficient evidence of an

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02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:40,520
unreasonable risk of harm to health to require further EPA review, which is currently under review.

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You may disagree with that ruling, but you cannot ethically pretend it does not exist.

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02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:53,000
There's also pending litigation involving this issue here in our own community. My understanding

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02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:59,720
is that dismissal has not occurred and that that lawsuit was only or that it was only being

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02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:04,600
discussed because previous attempts to reintroduce fluoridation repeatedly fail.

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02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:10,360
Now the political numbers may have changed on this board, but the unresolved scientific legal

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02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:16,680
fiscal and ethical concerns have not. And that is exactly why this board has a moral responsibility

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to slow down, not accelerate. When there's unresolved public health concerns, ongoing federal review,

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02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:28,280
pending litigation, and more than $325,000 in infrastructure costs alone,

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that may never be recoverable. The ethical obligation of government is caution, not recklessness.

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Waiting for the EPA's determination is not extreme. It is reasonable, responsible,

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and physically, fiscally prudent. I urge you tonight to take off the ideological blinders,

1302
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:54,360
stop pretending there is no real controversy surrounding this issue, and do the responsible

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02:10:54,360 --> 02:11:00,200
thing. Pause this process until the EPA review is complete. And for the record,

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I won re-election despite being politically attacked. I also resigned from this board

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02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:17,240
because my husband died. So let's get off with that subject. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Joe Dish is next.

1308
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:40,200
Hi, my name is Joe Dish. I live at 213 South Main Street here in DeForest.

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This is first and foremost a civil rights issue, and DeForest already made the correct choice

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02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:51,880
when we ended the practice of water fluoridation. And again, when we resisted an attempt to begin

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02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:57,800
it again, people have the right to decide what goes into their bodies. While certain forms of

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02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:04,360
fluoride applied topically have been shown to reduce dental cavities, mounting evidence suggests

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02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:09,560
that the ingestion of fluoride can lead to serious thyroid, bone, and neurological problems.

1314
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:15,160
People who want fluoride have many available options, including toothpaste,

1315
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:21,080
mouthwash, and topical treatments. But typical household water filters don't effectively remove

1316
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:26,440
fluoride. So people who don't want to ingest it, inhale it in their shower, water their gardens

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02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:32,760
with it, must go to great expense to avoid it, if they can afford to do so at all. This is a health

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02:12:32,760 --> 02:12:38,920
issue, an economic issue, and could eventually become a liability issue. Federal authorities are

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02:12:38,920 --> 02:12:44,760
currently fast-tracking investigations into fluoride safety, which could lead to a reversal of guidelines.

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So far, two states have banned the practice, and 10 more have introduced legislation seeking to do so.

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02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:58,520
It's entirely possible that after spending considerable tax dollars to restart the pumps,

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02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:05,240
a change in policy or outright ban at the federal or state level could force us to again change

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02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:11,560
course, and perhaps face legal liability for harm. We should honor the decision to keep fluoridation

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02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:21,080
of personal choice. Thank you, Joe. Chris McDonald.

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02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:28,040
No, you're not speaking. Andrew Burns.

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02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:43,400
Hello. My name is Andrew Burns. I live at 456 Sunset Drive. I'm here this evening to speak on behalf

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02:13:43,400 --> 02:13:48,760
of myself, my wife, Kelly Fox, and our six-month-old daughter, Grace. I'm here this evening to voice

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02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:56,040
my support of the resolution, 206057, directing the Director of Public Services to resume fluoridation

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02:13:56,040 --> 02:14:01,720
of the village's public water system. As a constituent of the forest, it's important to me

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02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:06,280
that our elected officials wisely manage the money raised by taxes to facilitate the greater

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02:14:06,280 --> 02:14:11,400
good of our community. Early last year, my family was disheartened to learn that the decision to

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02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:16,760
discontinue fluoride addition to our water supply. Since that initial decision, there has been a lot

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02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:21,400
of community engagement on the topic. Some of the loudest voices are from outside of our community.

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They don't drink our water or pay our taxes. Since the decision last year, there have been two

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02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:31,880
decisive elections. I can only speak directly to the motivation for the votes of my family.

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02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:36,440
Our votes were informed by a desire for the resumption of public water fluoridation.

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02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:42,360
I believe many other divorce residents shared this motivation. The U.S. Centers for Disease

1338
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:48,280
Control, a federal government agency, continued to support public water fluoridation. From their

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02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:53,400
public-facing website, quote, fluorodei water and fluoride toothpaste work together to prevent

1340
02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:57,880
cavities. Together, the two sources offer more protection than using either one alone.

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02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:03,320
Last fall, I spoke in support of your reconsideration, and I thank you for bringing us to this point.

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02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:08,040
I am more confident in the board today than I have been since moving to the forest two years ago.

1343
02:15:08,680 --> 02:15:12,520
I also want to take a moment to commend and thank the board and village staff for their handling

1344
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:17,320
of the potential QTS data center. You made the right decision and saved our community a lot of

1345
02:15:17,320 --> 02:15:23,480
party. Thank you. Thank you. Nancy Quirk.

1346
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:40,200
Hi, my name is Nancy Quirk. Good evening, President Little and Pustees. I live at 906,

1347
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:45,480
Besant Lane and DeForest. I was a registered professional engineer in the state of Wisconsin,

1348
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:55,080
and I was recently retired from 36 years of Wisconsin drinking water sector,

1349
02:15:55,080 --> 02:16:00,600
including civil engineering roles at Madison water utility, at Waukeshaal water utility,

1350
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:06,680
and then general manager of Green Bay water utility. In Green Bay, we fought for fluoridation

1351
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:13,560
three different times, and our council agreed to keep it going. I just wanted to mention that

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02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:20,200
we were given accommodation from the children's health network of Wisconsin for protecting

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02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:25,000
children's health with dental protection with the fluoride that we added to our water.

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02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:31,400
I live in DeForest and pay taxes here. I do not support the removal of fluoride,

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02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:37,480
and I do not, and I do support the funding and efforts for the village to restore it.

1356
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:43,160
With my background at the water utilities who also provided fluoridated water to their customers,

1357
02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:49,560
I was asked to review the Verbecker memorandum of May 13th. In this memo, Verbecker outlined

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02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:54,120
the tasks and estimated costs to reinstate fluoride at the village's existing wells,

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02:16:54,120 --> 02:16:59,480
and you just spent a lot of time going through that proposal. The costs include not only equipment

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02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:03,720
to enable fluoride to be added to the water, but also improvement to the building themselves,

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02:17:03,720 --> 02:17:08,840
which came out. So there are required tasks and optional ones that you guys identified.

1362
02:17:09,960 --> 02:17:14,600
Well, two, three, and four previously had fluoride injected. The required task

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02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:19,640
costs to equip well to inject the monitor fluoride into the water again would be lower than the

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02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:27,640
shown value. Other costs included in their total cost included would be optional. Well,

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02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:33,720
six never had fluoride, and that's going to require a higher cost, so because it's not

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02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:38,760
grandfathered in. The State Department of Health has grant money, which you just heard about,

1367
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:43,400
and it will lower your costs significantly for buying that fluoride equipment and getting back

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02:17:43,400 --> 02:17:48,680
up to speed. I'm sharing this from my own experience as Green Bay's general manager.

1369
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:54,680
I served on EPA's National Drinking Water Advisory Council, which dealt with all water quality

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02:17:54,680 --> 02:18:00,760
issues in the United States. During my three years there, never was there a credible report

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sent to us for consideration to remove fluoride from the water. Please vote to restore fluoride

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02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:17,000
and direct staff to begin phased implementation. Thank you. Thank you. Jim has a question for you.

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02:18:18,360 --> 02:18:23,880
So thank you for sharing your background, and what I heard is that you worked for the Green Bay

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02:18:23,880 --> 02:18:29,480
Water Utility and Madison Water Utility. Yeah, I was a civil engineer at Madison. I was an

1375
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:35,240
engineering manager at Waukesha, and I was a general manager at Green Bay Water. You know of any

1376
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:43,400
instances where there's a pump malfunction that may be brought fluoride above the legal limits

1377
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:49,480
on any of those. Our SCADA systems, the Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition Systems that we had

1378
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:55,480
monitored that. And if there was a discrepancy, our operators handled that right away and and

1379
02:18:55,480 --> 02:19:02,840
shut them off if they needed to be. Or they were constantly looking at, you know, they had a amount

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02:19:02,840 --> 02:19:09,720
of routine replacement schedule so that there would not be failures in those pumps and things

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02:19:09,720 --> 02:19:18,680
in the storage. And we had the big trucks come and put them into the tanks where we didn't have to

1382
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:25,640
like put it in ourselves. The hoses would go right into the tanks to fill up the H2S or hydro

1383
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:33,560
flow salicylic acid. Yeah, and so would you agree that with that maintenance schedule that you had,

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02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:39,960
that you did not have any pump failures? During the time that it was there, there was no pump failures.

1385
02:19:40,760 --> 02:19:47,240
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Morgan Brooke.

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02:19:56,600 --> 02:20:02,440
Hi, my name is Morgan Brooke. I'm a registered dental hygienist. I've owned my home at 920 Liberty

1387
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:09,000
Drive here in the forest for about 12 years. I pay taxes here. I've been a hygienist for 14 years.

1388
02:20:09,960 --> 02:20:15,880
Patients all day long. I did not support the removal of fluoride and I support the

1389
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:21,320
villagers restoring it. I'm speaking for myself, my children, and as a dental hygienist, I'm speaking

1390
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:26,840
tonight for countless patients who have personally asked me to advocate for them and their families

1391
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:32,840
on this issue. Every day, I see the real effects of dental disease. Cavities are not simply small

1392
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:40,120
inconveniences. They are preventable infections that cause pain, misspool, and work, difficulty

1393
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:46,040
eating and sleeping, and causally treatment that many families struggle to afford. Community water

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02:20:46,040 --> 02:20:50,840
fluoridation is a public health preventative matter. It is one of the most research and widely

1395
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:57,160
supported public health interventions in modern history. For decades, major medical, dental,

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02:20:57,160 --> 02:21:02,040
and public health organizations have continued to support fluoridation because the evidence

1397
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:07,080
consistently shows that it safely reduces tooth decay and improves oral health outcomes

1398
02:21:07,080 --> 02:21:13,000
across entire communities. As a health care professional, prevention is always the goal.

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02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:19,000
It is far more effective and less expensive to prevent disease than it is to treat after damage

1400
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:24,040
has already occurred. Water fluoridation is one of the most cost effective ways to improve

1401
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:29,560
public health because it benefits everyone regardless of age, income, or access to dental care.

1402
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:34,840
Not every family can afford routine dental visits, prescription fluoride products,

1403
02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:41,480
or extensive restorative treatments. Fluoridated water helps to provide consistent protection

1404
02:21:41,480 --> 02:21:47,640
to all residents, especially children, seniors, and the vulnerable populations. My patients are

1405
02:21:47,640 --> 02:21:52,360
concerned about losing this protection. They are asking for their voices to be heard, and tonight

1406
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:57,000
I'm helping bring their voices forward. With respect, unless you have worked directly with

1407
02:21:57,080 --> 02:22:02,520
patients experiencing dental disease, it can be difficult to fully appreciate the ripple effects

1408
02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:08,040
that preventable decay has on families. As a dental hygienist, I see those effects every day.

1409
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:13,080
Pain, missed school, financial stress, and children needing treatment that may have been

1410
02:22:13,080 --> 02:22:18,760
preventable. As both a taxpayer and a dental hygienist, I strongly support restoring fluoride

1411
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:23,880
to our community water supply. Please vote to restore fluoride and direct staff to begin

1412
02:22:23,880 --> 02:22:33,000
the phase implementation. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? I can assist with questions on

1413
02:22:33,640 --> 02:22:39,720
what is recommended for toothpaste if you need it. Do you like to answer a question that I have

1414
02:22:39,720 --> 02:22:49,160
about when, say, an infant or a child can? Sure. Yeah. Good morning. So we follow what the ADA

1415
02:22:49,240 --> 02:22:55,400
recommends, and what pediatricians recommend. So currently, pediatricians do apply fluoride

1416
02:22:55,400 --> 02:23:02,600
treatments until children start seeing a dentist. So they usually apply every six months as most

1417
02:23:02,600 --> 02:23:09,320
dentists do. That's what the ADA recommends and pediatricians. So like currently, if your child is

1418
02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:15,800
under two, it is recommended once they get their first tooth. So it's dependent on age of child,

1419
02:23:15,880 --> 02:23:19,240
but usually around six months is when they recommend the first treatment.

1420
02:23:19,880 --> 02:23:23,800
And then once they've established dental care, every six months for fluoride treatments.

1421
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:35,320
Thank you. What I heard is the fluoride treatments, say, starting at when they have teeth, and then

1422
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:43,960
that is also, say, the recommendation of ingesting the potential and testing of fluorinated water at

1423
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:50,760
that time also. Correct. And also fluoridated toothpaste. The ADA recommends a rice size amount,

1424
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:56,120
actually. Thank you. It was previously that they recommended not using it, but our diets have

1425
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:01,320
changed quite a bit. So they do recommend it a pea size amount or a rice size, excuse me,

1426
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:09,160
for children as soon as they get a tooth. Thank you. Anything else? Thanks.

1427
02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:13,480
Mark Stark speaking as Mark Stark this time.

1428
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:23,240
And it's the last time you see me today up here. I hope so. Yeah, me too.

1429
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:31,640
My name is Mark Stark, 16 Jefferson Street. I live in the forest. I pay taxes here, and I did not

1430
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:38,440
support the removal of fluoride, and I support the village restoring it. Over the past few weeks,

1431
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:46,120
I've seen several times people asking, why don't we have a referendum on this? And when you first,

1432
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:51,400
at least the village board, not all of you, voted to remove fluoride, at that point in time,

1433
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:57,320
I sent an email to all of the trustees asking, why didn't we have a referendum? And I got

1434
02:24:57,320 --> 02:25:04,840
nice responses, except for one, where I was informed that the trustee was elected to make decisions,

1435
02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:11,720
they made a decision, and I should be happy with that. I didn't feel that was quite the answer

1436
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:16,520
that a trustee should give, so I began to explore things a little bit more. And at that time,

1437
02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:21,320
I found there were other troubling aspects regarding that trustee. And because of that,

1438
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:29,480
I was happy to add my name as the lead on the recall effort for that trustee. We garnered well

1439
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:35,560
over the number of signatures needed from the forest residents over the time period,

1440
02:25:35,560 --> 02:25:42,040
and actually quicker than was required. And the recall election occurred, and I am very pleased

1441
02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:51,160
to say that that individual lost by a margin of 79% to 21%. Since that time, we have lost another

1442
02:25:51,160 --> 02:25:56,760
trustee due to resignation who had voted for fluoride. And this past April, we had another

1443
02:25:56,760 --> 02:26:04,120
trustee who had voted to remove fluoride, run to keep her seat. And at that point,

1444
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:10,760
they received only 12% of the vote compared to 81% for the other three individuals running.

1445
02:26:11,960 --> 02:26:20,120
In the past year, I have knocked on virtually hundreds of doors between the recall and the

1446
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:27,560
elections. And in that time, I have had one person state to me that they were glad that fluoride

1447
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:35,960
had been removed. And when I asked her why, she said, my bridge player companion told me I should

1448
02:26:35,960 --> 02:26:45,160
tell you that. That was the reason. So when people say we need a referendum, I'd say we already had

1449
02:26:45,960 --> 02:26:55,000
several referendums. So please vote this evening to restore fluoride and direct the staff to begin

1450
02:26:55,000 --> 02:27:08,360
a phased implementation. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. One question just to clarify the percentages

1451
02:27:08,360 --> 02:27:13,800
you used. You talked about the last election. I think you said 12 and a half for one candidate,

1452
02:27:13,880 --> 02:27:20,920
and then you said 81% for the other group, the three other together, they had substantially more

1453
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:28,680
than the one candidate who did not. But it was election. It was 81% of the total votes,

1454
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:39,080
not necessarily 81% of the individuals that voted. Is that correct? So of the percentage of all

1455
02:27:39,080 --> 02:27:48,120
voters, there was 12% approximately devoted for that trustee. There were 81% that voted for

1456
02:27:49,240 --> 02:27:56,440
the other three who gained their positions. And there was a small amount that voted for right in.

1457
02:27:57,640 --> 02:28:03,160
Okay. But you added the three numbers together. They were approximately all equal.

1458
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:11,640
Okay. So you used that one number. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Thank you. Thank you.

1459
02:28:13,480 --> 02:28:14,440
Macy Bueller.

1460
02:28:23,800 --> 02:28:29,720
Hello. My name is Macy Bueller. I've been to Forest Residence for almost 30 years this summer.

1461
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:38,120
I am speaking in support of adding fluoride back in our water. Did you know that 35%

1462
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:48,440
of Americans cannot access dental care? Why? That is needed in our water. 35% of Americans

1463
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:54,600
need fluoride. They can access it. You might not even be able to access toothpaste with it.

1464
02:28:54,680 --> 02:29:02,440
When you look at what's happening to our lack of access to food, yeah, I will talk about that

1465
02:29:02,440 --> 02:29:09,720
in a minute. Did you know that one in four children in the Forest School District live in poverty

1466
02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:14,280
if you take the free and reduced numbers? And those are often underrepresented.

1467
02:29:15,400 --> 02:29:22,920
And so typically there's more than 25% in our area. Since they last took fluoride out to forest,

1468
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we haven't had anyone step up to offer free fluoride treatments to children.

1469
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:34,120
I haven't seen anyone offer free toothpaste and toothbrushes to children.

1470
02:29:36,040 --> 02:29:42,360
This is a public health issue and why in the 60s and 70s we added this in. And so I hope

1471
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:50,520
to forestize the right thing and they see, yes, it is a choice, but 35% don't have that choice.

1472
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:59,080
So you're doing the right thing by adding that back. And for divorce, for 25% of our children,

1473
02:29:59,080 --> 02:30:05,720
it will make a huge impact. So going forward, I want you to think it is a choice that we're going

1474
02:30:05,720 --> 02:30:13,000
to help our children. Thank you. Thank you. Jonathan Bronk.

1475
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:31,160
Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. My name is Jonathan Bronk and I'm a resident

1476
02:30:31,160 --> 02:30:37,720
into forest. I did not support the removal of fluoride, but I'm here tonight in support of the

1477
02:30:37,720 --> 02:30:42,360
village restoring it to our drinking water. I support the village making the necessary

1478
02:30:42,360 --> 02:30:48,520
infrastructure and building investments to bring our pump houses up to code and make these facilities

1479
02:30:48,600 --> 02:30:54,120
as safe as possible for our staff. Please vote to restore fluoride and direct staff to begin the

1480
02:30:54,120 --> 02:31:02,520
process of updating our pump houses facilities. Thank you. Scott Mink.

1481
02:31:07,960 --> 02:31:13,560
Hi. Hi. My name is Scott Mink. I'm from the forest, 5.20 Hanks Hollow,

1482
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:20,120
here for about 30 years. And I'm speaking to urge you guys not to reintroduce fluoride

1483
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:25,640
back into the public water supply. And I was just going to go off script just a little bit

1484
02:31:26,440 --> 02:31:33,000
and just talk about being online recently and seeing all the forums talking about fluoride.

1485
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:39,560
And there seems to be a big assumption that people that are that want fluoride removed

1486
02:31:40,120 --> 02:31:47,320
from their water are kind of right wing maha movement kind of folks. And I probably wear a

1487
02:31:47,320 --> 02:31:54,520
granola crunchy liberal patch. And so I just want people to know that there's another side of that.

1488
02:31:54,520 --> 02:32:00,440
I eat organic whenever I can. And you know we don't put any pesticides or herbicides on our lawns.

1489
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:06,200
And we're going to win an actual village board award this year for the most

1490
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:13,400
dandelions per square floor. So yeah, anyways, public water should be kept pure and safe as

1491
02:32:13,400 --> 02:32:19,400
possible for everyone. When we add a substance to the water like fluoride, we remove citizens

1492
02:32:19,400 --> 02:32:25,240
right to inform consent. Those who want fluoride have an easy way to assess it nowadays with tooth

1493
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:35,800
base, rinses, dental treatments. And in that in that speak, they could also maybe some of the

1494
02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:40,600
money could actually instead of spending it on fluoride in our water size system maybe go

1495
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:45,640
towards some of those fluoride treatments in our schools for kids. I'm not sure what the cost of

1496
02:32:45,640 --> 02:32:52,280
that would be, but that's an idea. However, people like myself that don't want to ingest fluoride

1497
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:57,000
don't really have an option to opt out of that unless we're going to do expensive filter systems.

1498
02:32:58,120 --> 02:33:05,800
Mass distribution in the water supply is actually very inefficient. If you google searches,

1499
02:33:05,800 --> 02:33:11,160
tells you that less than 1% of on average of municipal water is actually consumed for drinking.

1500
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:19,640
The rest goes for dishes, showers, watering lawns, etc. Also federal guidelines for fluoride levels

1501
02:33:19,640 --> 02:33:25,960
have been lowered over recent years doing to growing awareness of overexposure.

1502
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:31,480
And I didn't know this. Things like, I never thought about it, things like processed foods.

1503
02:33:32,600 --> 02:33:39,720
If food companies are using municipal water that has fluoride in it, that's being transferred

1504
02:33:39,720 --> 02:33:46,360
into your food. So you're also ingesting fluoride that way and as well adding dental products on top

1505
02:33:46,360 --> 02:33:52,680
of that. Finally, introducing industrial grade chemicals into our water system at the necessary

1506
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:59,000
operational costs and potential liability for the village. Our municipal's water department's

1507
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:03,880
core mission should be delivering clean and safe pure drinking water, not managing the complex

1508
02:34:03,880 --> 02:34:10,440
dosing of a controversial additive in closing. I'm asking you guys to vote against fluoride

1509
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:16,680
back into our water supply or at least tabling it until you can have more input. Thank you.

1510
02:34:17,720 --> 02:34:20,120
Thank you Scott. I'm sorry.

1511
02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:26,360
It was just curious because you mentioned you've been in the village for 30 years and

1512
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:32,360
I appreciate your description of yourself as a crunchy person. So I was just curious. We've

1513
02:34:32,360 --> 02:34:38,600
heard the topic of lake for folks that don't want fluoride in the water having some solution to

1514
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:44,440
that and I'm curious when there was fluoride in the water before. Did you have a system in your

1515
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:49,240
home or did you have some? What was your solution to that before, if any? That's a very good question

1516
02:34:49,240 --> 02:34:54,120
actually. We actually have a whole house water filter system currently that removes chlorine

1517
02:34:55,320 --> 02:35:02,040
before it comes into our house and we also have a Berkey water system that it's actually an extra

1518
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:09,800
it's very expensive to filter the fluoride out in addition to all of the other PFAS, etc.

1519
02:35:09,800 --> 02:35:15,240
in the drinking water. So we actually filter the village's water now still

1520
02:35:17,720 --> 02:35:23,560
and not just we don't have to do the fluoride anymore. So yes, it's very expensive though. Thank you.

1521
02:35:23,560 --> 02:35:25,640
Okay.

1522
02:35:31,720 --> 02:35:37,640
Sorry. The spot you used but you said expensive and I'm wondering if you could qualify that and

1523
02:35:37,640 --> 02:35:43,080
sounds like you maybe have the system. So it's hard to talk about expensive the system but is there

1524
02:35:43,080 --> 02:35:50,360
ongoing filters that you need to buy? Yeah. So there's the Berkey system itself comes with a

1525
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:59,640
filter system that's about $100 every six months which is much better. But you have to add fluoride

1526
02:35:59,640 --> 02:36:09,080
filters to that which is about another $150 on top of the $100. So yeah. I also don't like them

1527
02:36:09,080 --> 02:36:13,800
because they actually sit down in the water as well and they're plastic. So I don't know,

1528
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:17,000
getting microplastics or fluoride at that point.

1529
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:23,960
All right. Yep. Thank you, Scott. Yep. Any more? No. Good.

1530
02:36:26,360 --> 02:36:27,560
Grant Smith.

1531
02:36:36,520 --> 02:36:42,360
Hi everyone. I'm Grant Smith. I live at 432 Windy Street and I've lived in the forest for three years.

1532
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:45,480
First of all, I want to thank the board for questions that are amazing tonight. I've been

1533
02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:50,040
to Village Board meetings for over a year and this is probably the most engaged that I've ever seen

1534
02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:56,040
in this board. So I really appreciate that. I'm here to show my support of reintroducing fluoride

1535
02:36:56,040 --> 02:37:02,200
back into the water system for the village as a resident and as a taxpayer. The Center for Disease

1536
02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:09,560
Control under current leadership supports fluoride and the official website that states

1537
02:37:09,560 --> 02:37:14,600
community water fluoridation is the cornerstone strategy for the prevention of cavities in the

1538
02:37:14,600 --> 02:37:19,960
U.S. It is a practical cost-effective way for communities to improve the resident's health

1539
02:37:19,960 --> 02:37:27,000
regardless of age, education, or income. And also states that communities of 1,000 or more, so

1540
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:33,240
even smaller than the forest, see an average estimate return on investment of $20 for every

1541
02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:40,520
dollar spot spent on water fluorideization. So actually this is a way to save money in the

1542
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:49,640
community and the reason that is is that for an average cavity cost between $150 to $450

1543
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:56,200
without insurance. That money, as opposed to going towards the cavities, can be reinvested

1544
02:37:56,200 --> 02:38:02,040
into the community by these families who don't have access. Whether that's being able to afford

1545
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:06,120
to go out to you at local restaurants, being able to pay for a child's school clothes or

1546
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:12,600
supplies, gears and sport, gear for sports, participation fees, instruments, private lessons,

1547
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:20,440
etc. We can be investing in our children on money not spent on cavities. And again,

1548
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:24,520
if parents don't have to take time off for work to take their kids to the dentist's office,

1549
02:38:24,520 --> 02:38:31,480
that's another two hours that they're not receiving pay. At scale, imagine how much this would

1550
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:35,720
provide to the entire village of the forest. It significantly outweighs the cost of putting

1551
02:38:35,720 --> 02:38:41,480
fluoride in the water. Fluoride in the water makes our village a healthier and better place for all

1552
02:38:41,480 --> 02:38:47,800
residents to live. Again, I'm Grant Smith and I live in the forest. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody

1553
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:51,880
of questions? Kayla Papci.

1554
02:39:01,560 --> 02:39:05,960
Hi there. My name is Kayla Papci and I've been a resident and taxpayer

1555
02:39:05,960 --> 02:39:10,040
in the forest for six years now. And I've been a dental hygienist for eight years.

1556
02:39:10,680 --> 02:39:16,280
I'm here in support of putting fluoride back into the water. As a dental hygienist, I've seen first

1557
02:39:16,280 --> 02:39:21,160
hand the benefits of having fluoride and our drinking water. Many of the children that end

1558
02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:27,400
up needing fillings due to decay grow up on well water, which does not have fluoride in it. I have

1559
02:39:27,400 --> 02:39:33,640
also heard from many older adults in their 70s and 80s who have a full mouth of teeth and they

1560
02:39:33,640 --> 02:39:39,800
attribute that to fluoride in the water. Their parents who do not have fluoride growing up had

1561
02:39:39,880 --> 02:39:46,760
dentures by age 30. About 75% of children in Wisconsin go to the dentist, which is great.

1562
02:39:46,760 --> 02:39:53,320
However, what about the other 25% that can't? The reality is not all children are able to get to

1563
02:39:53,320 --> 02:39:59,480
the dentist yearly and be able to receive fluoride treatments and just general dental care. Fluoride

1564
02:39:59,480 --> 02:40:04,120
in our water is something small and relatively affordable that has an impact on the whole community.

1565
02:40:04,760 --> 02:40:11,160
It helps prevent cavities and children, which helps kids and parents not miss school and work

1566
02:40:11,160 --> 02:40:16,360
to go to the dentist. It helps the kids whose parents can't take them to the dentist for a

1567
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:22,120
variety of reasons due to lack of insurance, finances, or time. Getting a cavity filled when

1568
02:40:22,120 --> 02:40:29,400
young will most likely turn into needing a filling crown or a root canal when older.

1569
02:40:29,480 --> 02:40:35,160
A filling isn't supposed to last a lifetime. When it comes to the science about fluoride,

1570
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:39,240
which has been in our water for the past 80 years, it has proven to be a public health

1571
02:40:39,240 --> 02:40:46,200
initiative that has really worked. The recommended amount of fluoride per liter is 0.7 milligrams.

1572
02:40:46,200 --> 02:40:51,800
The CDC and the American Dental Association have come out and stated the recommended dose is

1573
02:40:51,800 --> 02:40:57,880
healthy and does not have any long-term effects. Studies that are against fluoride are based on

1574
02:40:57,880 --> 02:41:03,640
research that has water with 1.5 to 10 milligrams per liter, which is more than double what

1575
02:41:03,640 --> 02:41:09,800
the forest has ever had. In Juneau, Alaska, local officials removed fluoride back in 2007.

1576
02:41:10,360 --> 02:41:16,520
And since then, the community has seen an increase in cavities by 50%. We don't want to have numbers

1577
02:41:16,520 --> 02:41:22,520
like that happen in the forest. It is not too late to reinstate fluoride back into our drinking

1578
02:41:22,520 --> 02:41:27,560
water and help protect kids from painful cavities and parents from having to miss work and spend

1579
02:41:27,560 --> 02:41:33,080
money and something that can be prevented. Please vote to reinstate fluoride back into our water

1580
02:41:33,080 --> 02:41:42,360
system. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to take advantage of having a dental hygienist. I should have

1581
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:47,960
asked this before, but I missed my chance. So is there a difference between ingesting fluoride

1582
02:41:47,960 --> 02:41:55,960
and the benefits of that versus topical fluoride? It is a different way of getting that fluoride

1583
02:41:55,960 --> 02:42:01,560
into the teeth. So topical is like what you get with toothpaste, mouth rinse, top pull at the

1584
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:09,480
dentist, which is great, but not everyone has access to that. Trying to get a two-year-old to

1585
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:14,600
brush your teeth is nearly impossible. Can you get a two-year-old to the dentist? Maybe if the

1586
02:42:14,600 --> 02:42:21,000
parents have that care and they can do it, but ingesting water, city water is something that's easy

1587
02:42:21,960 --> 02:42:28,040
and relatively affordable for us to be able to do to help people get that. But it is a different

1588
02:42:28,040 --> 02:42:36,200
mechanism of how it's ingested and how it helps the teeth. Could you elaborate on that? That was

1589
02:42:36,200 --> 02:42:39,640
actually what I was more getting at. Was the hack decision to raise it better? Go on your

1590
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:47,480
differences between ingesting versus topical fluoride. It does the same thing. It's just how

1591
02:42:47,480 --> 02:42:54,120
it's incorporated in the teeth. And ingesting it will help when the teeth are developing

1592
02:42:54,120 --> 02:43:01,400
versus topical is helping remineralize the teeth as they are now. Does that make sense? Yes, it does.

1593
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:08,280
Thank you. And our last speaker is Brenda Stoutenmeyer.

1594
02:43:20,440 --> 02:43:26,360
Thank you. Brenda Stoutenmeyer, 1278, Dodie Street, Green Bay. Sheila Howe, the

1595
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:32,520
divorce resident with the giant dragon on her porch has invited me over this past year to speak

1596
02:43:32,520 --> 02:43:37,880
because she viewed me as the most qualified and knowledgeable to discuss fluoride. I'm the

1597
02:43:37,880 --> 02:43:42,680
Wisconsin mom who sued the federal government over fluoride added to public drinking water in one

1598
02:43:42,680 --> 02:43:48,680
after an extensive seven-year federal case. I've worked in the Wisconsin water industry for over

1599
02:43:48,680 --> 02:43:53,800
a decade. I hold a degree in environmental engineering focused on water and wastewater

1600
02:43:53,880 --> 02:43:58,760
and I've completed nursing prerequisites and attending college for cellular molecular biology.

1601
02:43:59,320 --> 02:44:04,760
Human health in the environment is my interest. My day job is training water professionals across

1602
02:44:04,760 --> 02:44:10,520
Wisconsin on ONM, safety, state and federal compliance. Despite social media attacks last

1603
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:16,360
year from patient Smith and others, I was training thousands of operators, engineers and DNR staff

1604
02:44:16,360 --> 02:44:21,960
statewide. My work gives me access to industry discussions, emerging concerns and changes

1605
02:44:21,960 --> 02:44:27,560
happening behind the scenes. Since the lawsuit victory, fluoride manufacturing and supply in the

1606
02:44:27,560 --> 02:44:34,600
U.S. has quietly started shrinking. Plants have shut down or stopped selling fluoride chemicals

1607
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:40,680
altogether. I believe the reason is simple. Fluorides neurotoxicity established in our lawsuit is no

1608
02:44:40,680 --> 02:44:46,520
longer a fringe issue and there are concerns of liability. The Obama appointed federal judge

1609
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:53,160
concluded that fluoridation at .7 milligrams per liter presents an unreasonable risk to health.

1610
02:44:53,960 --> 02:45:00,280
Litigation made clear that much of what is presented as established fluoride safety relies on

1611
02:45:00,280 --> 02:45:06,360
unexamined assumptions. Many medical professionals and members of the public are not aware of the

1612
02:45:06,360 --> 02:45:11,480
current science or the federal case since new evidence can take years to reach widespread

1613
02:45:11,480 --> 02:45:17,880
awareness. Trustee little noticed that many pregnant women she spoke with had never heard

1614
02:45:17,880 --> 02:45:24,360
these concerns which highlights the responsibility on those informed in these meetings to consider

1615
02:45:24,360 --> 02:45:29,880
and protect vulnerable populations. What I witnessed in the forest was not a scientific

1616
02:45:29,880 --> 02:45:35,960
debate but a process shaped by social pressure, fear intimidation and narrative control.

1617
02:45:35,960 --> 02:45:41,480
A PhD trustee nurse was pushed out on the board after supporting informed consent and personal

1618
02:45:41,480 --> 02:45:46,360
choice. Meanwhile, residents were repeatedly giving outdated talking points that dismissed

1619
02:45:46,360 --> 02:45:51,320
legitimate science and concerns about arsenic lead and aluminum contamination in the flow

1620
02:45:51,320 --> 02:45:57,800
of salicylic acid chemicals. The MTP did a meta-analysis on all fluoride brain development studies and

1621
02:45:57,800 --> 02:46:04,600
they found that of 72 studies on fluoride in the developing brain, 64 found neurotoxicity.

1622
02:46:04,680 --> 02:46:10,440
Of the 19 studies, they concluded as the highest quality 18 fountain developmental neurotoxicity.

1623
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:17,320
Of the 11 studies, the U.S. National Institutes of Health have funded on fluoride and brain

1624
02:46:17,320 --> 02:46:24,600
development, 10 of the 11 found neurotoxicity from fluoride levels experienced in optimally

1625
02:46:24,600 --> 02:46:30,360
fluoridated communities. The issue has not been sustained by transparency. I'm sorry, your time

1626
02:46:30,360 --> 02:46:34,360
is expired. Thank you. Questions, anyone?

1627
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:48,440
I'm sorry, someone what?

1628
02:46:51,880 --> 02:46:56,360
She did not register to speak, so we don't have anything for her.

1629
02:46:56,360 --> 02:47:00,520
I'll come here.

1630
02:47:09,240 --> 02:47:15,160
Okay, that is everyone who has registered to speak tonight on that topic.

1631
02:47:15,160 --> 02:47:20,200
Okay, so we'll go back to the agenda.

1632
02:47:23,960 --> 02:47:30,920
Resolution 2026-057, resolution directing the director of public works through zone

1633
02:47:30,920 --> 02:47:37,480
fluoridation of the village's public water system. I would entertain a motion.

1634
02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:55,480
I have a question, and I think this can maybe go to Bill. I often get asked, can this be taken

1635
02:47:55,480 --> 02:47:59,320
to referendum at this point, and can it be publicly explained, why or why not?

1636
02:47:59,320 --> 02:48:07,320
I was preparing for this, so I'll let it go.

1637
02:48:11,640 --> 02:48:15,480
If you had asked that question five years ago, I would have said, yes, you could have, you can

1638
02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:24,680
send it to a referendum. In 2023, the legislature enacted a statute that prohibits municipalities

1639
02:48:24,680 --> 02:48:32,120
from holding advisory referenda, except in certain specified situations. Most of them are

1640
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:38,600
situations where another statute requires an advisory referendum,

1641
02:48:39,320 --> 02:48:45,320
sometimes in response to a petition, sometimes automatically. The only other exception is

1642
02:48:45,880 --> 02:48:52,200
for approval of capital expenditures coming from taxpayer dollars.

1643
02:48:54,120 --> 02:49:00,760
Because this is a project that would be funded through water utility revenues, as opposed to

1644
02:49:01,480 --> 02:49:08,360
general taxpayer revenues, it doesn't qualify for that exception to that prohibition.

1645
02:49:15,320 --> 02:49:17,320
Just have a comment.

1646
02:49:19,640 --> 02:49:25,080
So, also before we vote, just on the resolution, I assume we would update it,

1647
02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:30,280
but the date at the bottom of the resolution in our packets is incorrect, so just to make sure

1648
02:49:30,280 --> 02:49:37,640
that's reflected correctly. I'm like that, sorry, and then I also, did you want to comment on that,

1649
02:49:37,640 --> 02:49:44,040
where I have one more thing, Al? I actually just wanted to clarify. The referendum, if you could

1650
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:48,600
have one, if, for example, you were funding this with taxpayer dollars,

1651
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:52,600
would only be on the question of whether you should spend the money to put the equipment in.

1652
02:49:52,600 --> 02:49:57,800
It would not be a referendum. You could not have a referendum question that asked, should we add

1653
02:49:57,800 --> 02:49:58,920
fluoride to the water?

1654
02:50:01,640 --> 02:50:08,280
Yeah, I'm sorry. I lost my train of thought come back to me.

1655
02:50:09,160 --> 02:50:15,240
Oh, no, I remembered it. So, sorry. So, the way the resolutions worded, it also directs

1656
02:50:16,280 --> 02:50:20,200
Village Shop to submit one or more applications to the Wisconsin Department of Health Services

1657
02:50:20,200 --> 02:50:26,280
for available funding for equipment costs. I would like to see that include the grant that

1658
02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:32,200
was spoken about by, I believe, Carrie from DHS tonight is, I'm not adding it to the, I'm just,

1659
02:50:32,760 --> 02:50:42,200
it is. Okay. Got it. Thanks. Yeah. So, in the past, we've also discussed that if we do bring fluoride

1660
02:50:42,200 --> 02:50:51,320
back away for residents to bring something to residents that don't want fluoride and to somehow

1661
02:50:51,320 --> 02:50:59,320
subsidize that portion. And we did have a resident, Mr. Brian Brown, right to the board,

1662
02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:06,200
and he kind of had a plan that maybe could work. I don't know myself because I didn't crunch the

1663
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:12,280
numbers and I don't know, but I thought it was interesting and warrants further conversation.

1664
02:51:12,280 --> 02:51:21,000
My question is, if we were to do something like that, voting on this tonight, is that something

1665
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:27,000
that we, we could add in right now, or is that something that we should add in at a later time

1666
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:37,320
with a different resolution? Maybe can it be added? If we don't do that part tonight, can that be

1667
02:51:37,320 --> 02:51:42,520
added as another resolution? Can that be brought back, or does it all need to be done tonight with

1668
02:51:42,520 --> 02:51:52,680
this? If you're talking about, if I understand you're talking about doing something to allow

1669
02:51:52,760 --> 02:51:58,040
people to avoid the fluoride in their system? Exactly. Yeah, that's something that certainly

1670
02:51:58,040 --> 02:52:04,280
could be brought back at any time. I was hesitating only because I was trying to figure out whether

1671
02:52:04,280 --> 02:52:09,880
that would fit under the agenda item that we have tonight, and I don't think it really would,

1672
02:52:09,880 --> 02:52:14,840
but it certainly could be brought back at any time as a separate item. I did have another

1673
02:52:14,840 --> 02:52:22,440
question too, which is a bit different. So, I guess this is probably for you, Al. I'm just kind

1674
02:52:22,440 --> 02:52:29,640
of unclear as to, we're voting on this tonight, but we still have that pending, there's that pending

1675
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:35,880
lawsuit or whatever that we're waiting for a judge to rule on. How does that plan to this, or doesn't?

1676
02:52:38,840 --> 02:52:43,640
From a legal standpoint, that lawsuit doesn't have any meaning to what you do tonight.

1677
02:52:44,280 --> 02:52:47,800
In other words, there's nothing stopping you just because there's a lawsuit pending

1678
02:52:49,080 --> 02:52:54,360
from you voting, whichever way you want to vote on this particular resolution.

1679
02:52:55,560 --> 02:53:03,000
If that lawsuit were successful, the request, the relief requested in that lawsuit is an

1680
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:10,760
injunction, again, implementing the fluoride system, my sense is that that decision will be made long

1681
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:17,320
before any fluoride is ever going to see the inside of one of your pipes. So, if an injunction

1682
02:53:17,320 --> 02:53:24,360
were entered, we would then have to stop the process of going forward with fluoride.

1683
02:53:25,880 --> 02:53:30,760
Okay, so you're saying that even if we were, if fluoride gets re-implemented tonight,

1684
02:53:30,760 --> 02:53:40,600
that lawsuit gets won by the person that brought it, that we could stop mid-term and

1685
02:53:40,600 --> 02:53:44,600
not spend the money, or would we lose, I guess I'm wondering how does that come into play, or do we

1686
02:53:44,600 --> 02:53:54,680
lose the money? Well, there's a process. So, upon, if the board approves the resolution,

1687
02:53:54,680 --> 02:54:01,320
you're providing direction for staff to implement the process. As part of the process, depending on

1688
02:54:01,320 --> 02:54:07,160
whether it's a phased approach or a whole approach, will indicate that there's some time in between

1689
02:54:07,160 --> 02:54:14,120
there, whether it's four months or two months, to prepare the documents, to prepare the plans

1690
02:54:15,080 --> 02:54:20,440
before this, before it's even bitted out, whether it's equipment or construction.

1691
02:54:21,400 --> 02:54:29,880
So, I think what Hale is saying is that he believes that there's going to be a response from the court

1692
02:54:29,880 --> 02:54:37,400
before, well, definitely before, you know, there's fluoride in the pipe, potentially before we even

1693
02:54:37,400 --> 02:54:41,160
spend any money or go out to a bid or issue a bid at this point.

1694
02:54:47,640 --> 02:54:55,800
Alicia. So, the question, would we have to make a new motion on the approach if we do full fluoridation

1695
02:54:55,800 --> 02:54:57,400
versus a phased approach?

1696
02:55:01,960 --> 02:55:07,400
Hale can correct me if I'm wrong here, but, you know, I think if you want that to be a part of the

1697
02:55:07,400 --> 02:55:14,040
motion, you can amend your motion, or you can vote this one down and vote our new motion, or you can

1698
02:55:14,040 --> 02:55:23,480
provide further direction. I'd like to amend the motion. I didn't have a motion. Oh, I thought,

1699
02:55:23,480 --> 02:55:28,200
okay, so I'd like to, oh, I've actually made a calling made a motion, sorry.

1700
02:55:30,520 --> 02:55:33,720
So, I'd like to make a motion resolution 2026,

1701
02:55:34,600 --> 02:55:39,960
directing the director of public services to reserve fluoridation of the village public water

1702
02:55:39,960 --> 02:55:50,840
system in a phased approach through the guidance of back here. What is legally,

1703
02:55:51,800 --> 02:55:57,720
what is legally allowable within the DNR with wells two, three, and four?

1704
02:56:06,920 --> 02:56:16,840
Just to clarify, so you're asking for the phased approach of reintroducing fluoride into the system

1705
02:56:17,480 --> 02:56:23,640
activating wells two, three, and four.

1706
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:33,640
Question is whether or not to move forward with the improvements in

1707
02:56:34,440 --> 02:56:40,600
while number two is presented in the memo from Verbecker

1708
02:56:41,080 --> 02:56:46,440
the fall amount, or if we are talking just the fluoride cost?

1709
02:56:48,920 --> 02:56:59,000
I'm so glad to start it over again. Because within that motion, I'm including the full

1710
02:56:59,000 --> 02:57:08,440
of costs for wells two, three, and four. So, can I say, do you, it might be easier. If you want

1711
02:57:08,440 --> 02:57:13,560
for your medicine to have fluoride back in, do you want a separate contaminant system at well

1712
02:57:13,560 --> 02:57:18,520
to where we had onto well to, or are you asking me to put it back how it was prior where they're

1713
02:57:18,520 --> 02:57:24,440
all in one room? I think what we broke down from the guidance is, yes, that the separate is

1714
02:57:24,440 --> 02:57:31,080
basically best for the safety of the staff and you guys. So, that's ultimately what I think we

1715
02:57:31,080 --> 02:57:37,320
should do for the best interests of everyone. So, if I can, I'll add to that.

1716
02:57:38,120 --> 02:57:41,560
I'm assuming you want eventually to well six to have fluoride added in.

1717
02:57:44,280 --> 02:57:49,960
So, if a phased approach, if I, I just want, I'm not, I'm just trying to clarify, would you like

1718
02:57:49,960 --> 02:57:56,600
us to start three and four, which is the quickest of the timelines, which is probably four or five

1719
02:57:56,600 --> 02:58:02,280
months? So, wells three and four, we can add fluoride and well two and six are going to take

1720
02:58:02,360 --> 02:58:08,680
up to 14 months, if I recall correctly. So, those would be the fluoride to be implemented at when

1721
02:58:08,680 --> 02:58:14,760
those well, wells are done. It's the cleanest way I can explain it, right? So, three and four are

1722
02:58:14,760 --> 02:58:19,880
the quickest path to get fluoride back in. We won't be at the optimal level, but fluoride will be added,

1723
02:58:19,880 --> 02:58:24,040
but two and six will take equivalently, roughly the same amount of time.

1724
02:58:24,040 --> 02:58:28,200
Okay. Second.

1725
02:58:31,320 --> 02:58:39,400
Can I just clarify? Sure. I tried to take everything and condense it. So, I said,

1726
02:58:39,400 --> 02:58:45,960
willingness to approve resolution in a phased approach of adding fluoride into the water system

1727
02:58:45,960 --> 02:58:51,480
under the guidance of what is legally permitted from the DNR for wells one, two, three and four.

1728
02:58:54,360 --> 02:59:01,080
No one. Okay. Two, three and four creating a separate well room for well number two and adding

1729
02:59:01,080 --> 02:59:13,720
a complete system for well number six. Does that capture everything minus well one?

1730
02:59:14,360 --> 02:59:17,960
There is no well one. There is no well one. That's been captain. I know. Great. Sorry.

1731
02:59:18,920 --> 02:59:25,640
Yeah. So, my understanding is we will begin the process if this passes for well three and four.

1732
02:59:27,080 --> 02:59:31,080
Well, we'll begin the process for all the wells, but three and four will be turned on

1733
02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:36,040
when the time when they're capable will be turned on. So,

1734
02:59:38,120 --> 02:59:42,600
you don't need this in the motion, but in essence, we're submitting to the DNR three and four,

1735
02:59:43,240 --> 02:59:49,160
because those will be the quickest for them to give approval, and then two and six will come

1736
02:59:49,160 --> 02:59:58,760
at a different later point. I'm going to try to simplify this. So, it's my recommendation that

1737
02:59:59,480 --> 03:00:05,960
the motion language reflect approval of the resolution with a phased approach,

1738
03:00:06,680 --> 03:00:16,120
wells two and three first, and then wells three and four first, then wells two and six

1739
03:00:16,920 --> 03:00:26,040
in the second phase. All starting at the same time. Yeah. Six.

1740
03:00:36,840 --> 03:00:44,760
So, we have a motion and we have a second. Oh, I missed my second. Let's just confirm that the

1741
03:00:44,760 --> 03:00:51,000
maker of the motion and the second are both comfortable with that language. Great.

1742
03:00:54,200 --> 03:01:01,000
We have a motion on the floor as read by Brandy raising in wells three and four first,

1743
03:01:01,640 --> 03:01:05,800
while getting two and six up and running at the same time.

1744
03:01:06,600 --> 03:01:08,760
Meet standards they need to meet. Is that correct?

1745
03:01:11,400 --> 03:01:13,320
All those in favor, Jim?

1746
03:01:15,960 --> 03:01:20,200
I'm just in such a big hurry to get this motion business discussion.

1747
03:01:21,640 --> 03:01:27,640
I do have one question that was brought up by the the testimony tonight, and I think I'm looking

1748
03:01:27,640 --> 03:01:33,480
at Judd for this answer. Where does our flow right come from? We've heard that

1749
03:01:34,040 --> 03:01:39,560
industrial waste, we've heard that it's pharmaceutical made. Do we have any idea?

1750
03:01:40,440 --> 03:01:45,960
So, we order our hydrofluidic acid as well. We add to the water. So, that has an altitude

1751
03:01:45,960 --> 03:01:52,120
compounds with that undiluted ads fluoride to the water. We order that from Martel

1752
03:01:52,920 --> 03:01:59,960
and our salesman there, Jim. I could ask him where it comes from. I don't know that I've ever

1753
03:01:59,960 --> 03:02:10,040
asked him that, but it's certainly not a powdery mix or the actual fluoride mineral. It comes

1754
03:02:10,040 --> 03:02:18,600
through hydrofluidic acid. Thank you, Judd. And it's another question that I maybe,

1755
03:02:18,600 --> 03:02:27,080
to Allen, there's like the EPA's looking into different questions. Do we know any timeline when

1756
03:02:27,080 --> 03:02:36,520
that's expected? No, as I understand it there, the last time I checked that case that was referenced

1757
03:02:36,520 --> 03:02:42,040
was on appeal and EPA was was challenging that that order that they look into it.

1758
03:02:43,240 --> 03:02:46,920
I imagine they're probably looking into it anyway. I just don't know what their timeframe would be.

1759
03:02:49,480 --> 03:02:58,840
Thank you, Allen. And I guess I'll state more of my opinion now or as far as like looking back at

1760
03:02:58,840 --> 03:03:05,240
the history, there wasn't a whole lot of history put in our packet tonight. So, I just want to

1761
03:03:05,240 --> 03:03:13,960
state that we had our first meeting back in November 18th of 2024. We had six meetings. We had as much

1762
03:03:13,960 --> 03:03:21,560
or more testimony at pretty much all of those meetings. And on February 4th, 2025, there was a

1763
03:03:21,560 --> 03:03:26,760
vote of three to four on a very controversial topic, the topic that's in front of us tonight.

1764
03:03:28,120 --> 03:03:37,320
On November 4th, 2025, it was brought back here and was directed to staff to look and report.

1765
03:03:38,200 --> 03:03:44,920
And that report was brought back to the village board on January 20th of 2026. Again, a controversial

1766
03:03:44,920 --> 03:03:54,280
topic, a lot of discussion. And in that packet, there was 814 pages provided for trustees to review.

1767
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:58,760
And I know some of them reviewed it because I remember Brad commenting how

1768
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:07,480
how difficult it was to review that many pages. At that time, it voted three to three, which

1769
03:04:08,120 --> 03:04:17,480
became a failed vote because of the time. So, we had multiple nights with lots of testimony.

1770
03:04:18,840 --> 03:04:24,120
And I just feel that coming in tonight, when we had two different failed votes,

1771
03:04:25,080 --> 03:04:35,400
and our votes to keep glory out of our water, that now with a matter of one meeting, we're

1772
03:04:35,400 --> 03:04:42,760
voting to introduce it again. I think that's a disservice to the people that made those votes

1773
03:04:42,760 --> 03:04:50,360
and the testimony that we heard over those eight meetings. I questioned the timing.

1774
03:04:50,360 --> 03:04:57,640
I think we're implementing it too fast because I do think we had other committees do

1775
03:04:59,720 --> 03:05:05,720
inquiries. Personally, think before we should vote at the village board, it should be sent back

1776
03:05:06,280 --> 03:05:12,280
to the public services committee because they were the original ones that looked at this.

1777
03:05:12,280 --> 03:05:18,680
We should be getting there. But I think there's opportunities for grants and subsidies.

1778
03:05:19,640 --> 03:05:27,320
I think the resolution leaves room for that as it's direction for the director of public

1779
03:05:27,320 --> 03:05:35,720
services to resume fluoridation. I think with that wording, there's an opportunity to discuss

1780
03:05:35,720 --> 03:05:46,920
the level of resuming so that level could be partial of including money for grants or subsidies

1781
03:05:46,920 --> 03:05:56,680
for osmosis and water cleansing systems for individuals. I think it would be good to delay a

1782
03:05:56,680 --> 03:06:03,960
vote until we have a seven-member board. I'm a bit concerned that some of our board members

1783
03:06:03,960 --> 03:06:12,040
are appointed and even the seventh one will be appointed. It'd probably be better to wait

1784
03:06:12,120 --> 03:06:18,360
even until it was all people that were voted in. But at a minimum, we should have a seven-member

1785
03:06:18,360 --> 03:06:27,400
board. I'm worried about the EPA reviews that I would hope we get back to, but we just heard

1786
03:06:27,400 --> 03:06:35,640
tonight that we don't know when. We have studies that could be coming in and litigation that is

1787
03:06:35,640 --> 03:06:41,640
pending. I think there's other opportunities that we could use this money to

1788
03:06:42,680 --> 03:06:52,840
provide fluoride to our children through fluoride treatments, toothpaste, the different food pantries

1789
03:06:52,840 --> 03:06:59,800
and things like that. So I'd be very much for delaying a vote or not even doing this at all.

1790
03:07:00,440 --> 03:07:08,280
But really, they're not doing it at all. To me, that speaks to my choice and why I voted against

1791
03:07:08,280 --> 03:07:14,920
putting fluoride in twice already is that I feel it's a personal choice. We heard tonight

1792
03:07:15,560 --> 03:07:24,040
a good word of body. I can't even say that word. I'm not meeting. I'm not incoming.

1793
03:07:25,320 --> 03:07:30,920
And I think it's physically irresponsible to be putting that in right now. And it should be part

1794
03:07:30,920 --> 03:07:36,680
of the budget process if we want to move forward with this. So that's everything I have to say.

1795
03:07:37,560 --> 03:07:38,040
Thank you.

1796
03:07:42,840 --> 03:07:46,040
Anyone else have anything? Jan?

1797
03:07:47,560 --> 03:07:54,120
Well, I agree with a lot of what Jim said, but this is going to happen tonight.

1798
03:07:54,760 --> 03:08:01,160
And I guess I just want to move on to the next step saying that this has been a highly controversial

1799
03:08:01,160 --> 03:08:09,320
issue. And there's a lot of emotion on it. And this vote's going to happen tonight. And there's

1800
03:08:09,320 --> 03:08:17,160
going to be one side that feels that they got slighted no matter which way this goes. And I

1801
03:08:17,160 --> 03:08:25,320
just hope that we can finally all remember that we are neighbors. And we can understand that we're

1802
03:08:25,400 --> 03:08:31,480
going to have disagreements. I know that there's not one person in my life that I agree 100%

1803
03:08:31,480 --> 03:08:40,360
with on everything. But I hope that people will get along again. I have just really saddened

1804
03:08:40,360 --> 03:08:47,640
by the things that have been happening in the forest. I can't say that I have ever known it to be

1805
03:08:47,640 --> 03:08:57,080
this awful. And I've been here most of my 60 years. So I hope it goes back. And I guess that's

1806
03:08:57,080 --> 03:09:05,720
all I have to say. Thank you, Jim. All right, we have a motion. Jim?

1807
03:09:07,480 --> 03:09:14,600
Can I offer up the debate or ask Alan, is there room to put in monies for grants or subsidies for

1808
03:09:14,600 --> 03:09:20,120
individuals that have osmosis and stuff? And we look into that with this motion.

1809
03:09:21,320 --> 03:09:26,920
Take that. I think that would be a separate program from the Florida Asian. I think it really

1810
03:09:26,920 --> 03:09:31,000
would have to be listed separately on the agenda. And I'll look noticed.

1811
03:09:31,320 --> 03:09:39,640
Certainly. Roll call, please.

1812
03:09:47,400 --> 03:09:51,160
All right. Dan Stevenhegan-Ha.

1813
03:09:55,960 --> 03:09:57,000
Alicia Williams.

1814
03:10:01,160 --> 03:10:04,040
This is Brad Kord. Yes.

1815
03:10:06,760 --> 03:10:08,520
Jim Sensen. No.

1816
03:10:10,840 --> 03:10:18,520
Melanie Bartloff. Yes. Thank you. Colleen Little. Yes.

1817
03:10:18,840 --> 03:10:25,400
Jim Carrey's word or two.

1818
03:10:33,800 --> 03:10:38,840
Okay. Thank you. I think at this point, we're going to take a break.

1819
03:10:39,160 --> 03:10:46,120
Let's resume about 8.30, please.

1820
03:10:50,520 --> 03:11:08,600
Oh, 10 minutes. Okay, we're back at 8.33 p.m.

1821
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:16,600
Resolution 2026-059, a resolution adopting a policy for filling vacancies in village elective

1822
03:11:19,960 --> 03:11:20,760
8.2.

1823
03:11:24,360 --> 03:11:33,640
Well, by a golly, we do. Back up. Resolution 2026-058, a resolution authorizing the

1824
03:11:34,040 --> 03:11:38,120
village administrator to execute a request for release of funds and certification, Alex.

1825
03:11:39,160 --> 03:11:43,160
So this is listed under old business because I had brought this forward when we were still

1826
03:11:43,160 --> 03:11:49,000
kind of navigating the transition with the pointing of village resident. About a year and

1827
03:11:49,000 --> 03:11:57,400
a half ago, as part of the CDA's redevelopment project, is there anticipated to be federal funds

1828
03:11:57,400 --> 03:12:02,440
involved in that? We performed what's called a part 58 environmental review,

1829
03:12:03,240 --> 03:12:06,520
the village had involvement in reviewing that and certifying that.

1830
03:12:07,640 --> 03:12:11,640
We did eventually make a finding of no significant impact on the environmental side,

1831
03:12:11,640 --> 03:12:16,440
went through public comment period, noticed it appropriately, and then submitted to HUD,

1832
03:12:16,440 --> 03:12:22,600
or since advised that HUD being the Department of Housing and Urban Development, excuse me,

1833
03:12:22,600 --> 03:12:26,840
acronyms, that the recipient of that actually should not have been the CDA,

1834
03:12:26,840 --> 03:12:30,520
it should have been WEDA because they're the ones that would actually receive the federal funds

1835
03:12:30,520 --> 03:12:35,400
and partnering with the CDA to project-based housing choice vouchers in the new development.

1836
03:12:35,960 --> 03:12:43,240
So we reissued the public comment period, or the notice went through the public comment period,

1837
03:12:43,240 --> 03:12:48,840
did not receive any public comments, and now would be looking for a resolution to

1838
03:12:49,720 --> 03:12:54,600
authorize a submission of the request for release of funds, which was included in your packet as

1839
03:12:54,600 --> 03:13:00,280
an exhibit to this resolution 2026-058. Happy to answer any questions.

1840
03:13:02,680 --> 03:13:04,200
Anyone have any questions for Alex?

1841
03:13:07,320 --> 03:13:12,360
No, we have no public appearances on this. Is there a motion?

1842
03:13:12,360 --> 03:13:19,240
I'll motion to approve resolution 2026-058.

1843
03:13:19,240 --> 03:13:19,640
Second.

1844
03:13:20,600 --> 03:13:23,960
Motion by Jim, seconded by Jan. Is there any further discussion?

1845
03:13:25,480 --> 03:13:29,560
Motion is a resolution authorizing the village administrator to execute a request for release

1846
03:13:29,560 --> 03:13:30,760
of funds and certification.

1847
03:13:31,400 --> 03:13:33,560
All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

1848
03:13:34,120 --> 03:13:34,600
Aye.

1849
03:13:34,600 --> 03:13:35,960
All those opposed, no.

1850
03:13:37,000 --> 03:13:38,520
Motion carries and mostly.

1851
03:13:39,480 --> 03:13:46,200
Now, resolution 2026-059, resolution adapting the policy for filling vacancies in village

1852
03:13:46,200 --> 03:13:50,760
elective offices, built-in, and we do have one speaker registered.

1853
03:13:57,960 --> 03:14:02,600
Yeah, so this policy was discussed, I believe, in the previous meeting and the meeting for that.

1854
03:14:03,960 --> 03:14:07,480
As you know, we've had a couple of vacancies in our elective offices.

1855
03:14:08,600 --> 03:14:18,360
And so this policy sets forth the process for appointment to the village trustee seat

1856
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:23,160
and also to the village president's seat.

1857
03:14:25,240 --> 03:14:34,440
Happy to walk through the policy. Do note that the policy is intended to take action upon the

1858
03:14:34,440 --> 03:14:38,040
village for deciding to appoint that office.

1859
03:14:38,040 --> 03:14:42,840
If you remember, state statute says that you can either appoint or leave vacant or

1860
03:14:43,640 --> 03:14:45,320
have it go to the special election.

1861
03:14:45,880 --> 03:14:52,360
Again, the policy is intended to take place once you've made the decision to appoint that position.

1862
03:14:52,360 --> 03:15:04,280
Okay, I keep yourself wishes to speak on this.

1863
03:15:12,680 --> 03:15:13,960
I still live in the forest.

1864
03:15:16,280 --> 03:15:19,800
I understand there is a need to fill the vacant trustee seat.

1865
03:15:19,800 --> 03:15:23,960
And I recognize that the board has a responsibility to keep moving forward

1866
03:15:24,600 --> 03:15:28,200
and ensure that village business continues uninterrupted.

1867
03:15:28,200 --> 03:15:33,800
However, I am concerned that allowing six current trustees to select a seventh member

1868
03:15:34,440 --> 03:15:39,880
concentrates that decision in the hands of a small group rather than the community as a whole.

1869
03:15:41,000 --> 03:15:47,160
Residents elect officials with the expectation that those serving on this board

1870
03:15:47,160 --> 03:15:50,200
would ultimately be chosen by the people they represent.

1871
03:15:51,000 --> 03:15:54,280
Voting gives residents a voice and creates accountability.

1872
03:15:54,840 --> 03:15:58,200
It also provides confidence that those making decisions

1873
03:15:58,840 --> 03:16:02,840
on behalf of our village have earned the trust and support of the community.

1874
03:16:03,640 --> 03:16:08,360
My concern is not directed at any individual who may apply for this position.

1875
03:16:08,920 --> 03:16:13,160
I'm sure there will be qualified and dedicated applicants willing to serve.

1876
03:16:13,880 --> 03:16:20,600
My concern is with the process itself and whether it reflects the values of representation

1877
03:16:20,600 --> 03:16:24,920
and transparency that residents expect and deserve.

1878
03:16:25,880 --> 03:16:32,200
A trustee who is selected by a small number of people rather than through community input

1879
03:16:32,200 --> 03:16:37,080
may begin their service without the same level of public confidence or support.

1880
03:16:38,040 --> 03:16:43,400
I ask the board to consider how public input can be included in this process

1881
03:16:43,400 --> 03:16:46,040
so residents feel represented and heard.

1882
03:16:46,760 --> 03:16:52,280
Whether through public forums, opportunities for community feedback or other measures,

1883
03:16:52,280 --> 03:16:56,920
I believe involving the community would strengthen trust and ensure the process

1884
03:16:57,480 --> 03:17:03,480
reflects the interests of the entire village, not just the preferences of the current board.

1885
03:17:03,480 --> 03:17:03,960
Thank you.

1886
03:17:04,920 --> 03:17:06,040
Thank you, Becky.

1887
03:17:10,360 --> 03:17:11,320
Anyone have anything?

1888
03:17:12,680 --> 03:17:13,080
Fred?

1889
03:17:14,600 --> 03:17:16,680
I just had one comment on section four,

1890
03:17:18,680 --> 03:17:25,320
number eight, or how to get a president's office filled.

1891
03:17:25,320 --> 03:17:29,880
It says the village board may then determine the method to fill the vacant trustee office.

1892
03:17:29,960 --> 03:17:35,800
I think that should just basically relate back to the process for filling

1893
03:17:36,760 --> 03:17:39,640
the vacant trustee office that's stated above.

1894
03:17:41,800 --> 03:17:45,640
Yeah, so you're talking about the last sentence there on the policy.

1895
03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:53,800
I think that's intended to say once that village presidency is filled with a trustee

1896
03:17:54,760 --> 03:18:01,000
that CC is vacated so then at that point the village board has a decision to make

1897
03:18:01,000 --> 03:18:07,320
whether or not to have that go to election or special election or leave a vacant or automatically

1898
03:18:07,320 --> 03:18:13,720
appointed. We were conservative in that we left that option open but surely you as the board

1899
03:18:13,720 --> 03:18:17,960
can make that option to automatically go to the appointment process for that position also.

1900
03:18:23,800 --> 03:18:28,520
Yeah.

1901
03:18:31,880 --> 03:18:37,720
So I apologize. I don't want to call you, so I guess I apologize and everybody here for

1902
03:18:37,720 --> 03:18:46,840
taking more time than I think maybe could have been taken but I got rather confused as far as

1903
03:18:46,920 --> 03:18:56,520
the timelines of when we do appoint somebody or not. I'd say it was had to do with the general

1904
03:18:56,520 --> 03:19:03,400
section I think or that that too because I don't know if that was necessarily following what I was

1905
03:19:04,280 --> 03:19:13,080
hearing. I think what I heard last time and I guess I'm maybe looking at Brad and Alicia

1906
03:19:13,160 --> 03:19:20,440
because I think you guys are once talking about it. If it was close to an election that we didn't

1907
03:19:20,440 --> 03:19:26,920
want to appoint somebody because we wanted to say the fully elected or fully as elected as

1908
03:19:26,920 --> 03:19:37,960
possible to appoint but the question I have is say if that happens say maybe December we really

1909
03:19:37,960 --> 03:19:43,720
want to go through the effort of appointing somebody if they're just going to be elected

1910
03:19:44,680 --> 03:19:51,160
month after they're appointed. Yeah so I think I think I've had a couple questions on this so

1911
03:19:52,840 --> 03:19:59,960
remember that before making that decision to appoint if it's within 45 days or 60 days or whatever

1912
03:19:59,960 --> 03:20:06,200
amount of days that you consider maybe too short for someone to serve you can simply leave it vacant

1913
03:20:07,080 --> 03:20:13,240
instead of appointing then this this policy would not apply or you could choose to go to

1914
03:20:13,240 --> 03:20:18,840
to wait till election to fill it. Again this policy only applies once you as the board have

1915
03:20:18,840 --> 03:20:23,160
made the decision to appoint that position.

1916
03:20:27,480 --> 03:20:34,840
Jan? I had the same conversation with Bill today because that was my question number two

1917
03:20:34,840 --> 03:20:41,160
under the general rules for appointment and that time frame and he kind of and I guess that

1918
03:20:41,160 --> 03:20:49,320
kind of answered the question that we don't have to fill the position but should that

1919
03:20:49,320 --> 03:20:55,080
number should the number of days be changed anyways? I don't know how everyone else feels about it but

1920
03:20:55,800 --> 03:20:59,960
I'd be open to that but it's just my two cents.

1921
03:21:05,720 --> 03:21:07,560
You're saying it should be made longer.

1922
03:21:13,320 --> 03:21:19,560
Al? Yeah I just wanted to point out that that 30 days was suggested by the board

1923
03:21:19,560 --> 03:21:24,280
at the last meeting it doesn't reflect a recommendation by either of us.

1924
03:21:26,040 --> 03:21:31,160
I remember right that was recommendation by one board member.

1925
03:21:37,720 --> 03:21:38,840
Do we want to change it?

1926
03:21:46,200 --> 03:21:47,640
Do we have any discretion in there?

1927
03:21:47,640 --> 03:21:57,560
I don't know Mike how many does I feel it's okay I don't know what are you thinking Jan lower?

1928
03:22:00,040 --> 03:22:05,000
It's okay if that's what everybody wants to do but otherwise I'd be open to changing it to like

1929
03:22:05,000 --> 03:22:05,960
say 90 days.

1930
03:22:10,760 --> 03:22:15,400
Fred? The reason I suggested that is because I know a lot of people at

1931
03:22:15,400 --> 03:22:21,640
Angston we even waiting of 30 days to appoint a president so I thought not extending past 30

1932
03:22:21,640 --> 03:22:26,920
days would probably be prudent for us to make that timeline and a quick you know change if

1933
03:22:26,920 --> 03:22:31,560
we were doing a president spot for instance so I didn't want to wait 90 days if the current

1934
03:22:31,560 --> 03:22:36,840
board didn't even want to wait 30 so that's why I came up with that number it's it's very random

1935
03:22:36,840 --> 03:22:45,000
but again I think we can again choose to leave it vacant if we were going to do so this is

1936
03:22:45,000 --> 03:22:48,280
only if we were the process for appointing.

1937
03:22:53,560 --> 03:22:57,320
I think you're right about that I probably wouldn't want to wait 90 days I'm a president.

1938
03:22:58,120 --> 03:22:58,360
Yeah.

1939
03:23:00,840 --> 03:23:03,960
I'm fine with that the way it is what you all want to do.

1940
03:23:06,120 --> 03:23:07,560
All right we'll take a vote on it.

1941
03:23:08,360 --> 03:23:12,840
Make a motion to approve resolution 2026 dash 059.

1942
03:23:12,840 --> 03:23:14,440
Motion by Brad is there a second?

1943
03:23:15,720 --> 03:23:16,440
I'll second.

1944
03:23:17,240 --> 03:23:19,160
Second by Jim discussion.

1945
03:23:19,160 --> 03:23:20,680
Discussions or comments?

1946
03:23:21,320 --> 03:23:22,200
Pardon me?

1947
03:23:22,200 --> 03:23:26,760
I have what I believe some minor comments that I don't know how much discussion is

1948
03:23:26,760 --> 03:23:35,400
worn with them but the section three or item four in section three I noted that it

1949
03:23:36,200 --> 03:23:39,240
I think it said that it needed to be a regular meeting

1950
03:23:42,200 --> 03:23:47,720
and I thought we could strike the regular meeting in case the future board wanted to

1951
03:23:47,720 --> 03:23:51,880
make it a special meeting I didn't see any reason why it needed to be a regular meeting.

1952
03:23:54,920 --> 03:23:58,120
I'm sorry I'm not able to hear you well enough down here.

1953
03:23:58,120 --> 03:24:03,960
Sorry I'll speak so on item four that we have on the screen right now it says

1954
03:24:03,960 --> 03:24:08,920
on closing an application the village board will review an application at a regular scheduled

1955
03:24:08,920 --> 03:24:15,080
meeting I thought we should remove regular believe the option for the future board to

1956
03:24:15,080 --> 03:24:24,520
do a special meeting if need be or wanted and I had a similar comment for that in the three

1957
03:24:25,080 --> 03:24:30,760
five that are called out as a special meeting because I thought again that the village

1958
03:24:31,480 --> 03:24:37,800
board or administrator at the time wanted it to be a regular meeting that that should be available too.

1959
03:24:40,440 --> 03:24:42,520
So we'll just say village board meeting?

1960
03:24:42,520 --> 03:24:50,920
Yeah I mean again the policy is up to the board I mean we put these these the regular

1961
03:24:50,920 --> 03:24:55,480
meeting and the special language in because it's based off of what we're currently doing

1962
03:24:55,480 --> 03:24:59,480
where this appointment process but that can be changed.

1963
03:25:00,680 --> 03:25:06,760
I guess as the second I would ask the motion the strike that didn't just make them regular or

1964
03:25:06,760 --> 03:25:10,200
board meetings. That's a friendly amendment. Thank you.

1965
03:25:13,720 --> 03:25:19,560
Okay so the amendment is to strike any reference to special meetings.

1966
03:25:19,720 --> 03:25:31,640
Yeah when and regular and just say village board yeah and then sections three number seven

1967
03:25:33,000 --> 03:25:40,520
it talked about range choice and I firstly don't think that's the correct definition of

1968
03:25:40,520 --> 03:25:48,360
range choice and I the way I was reading the three seven I don't even know if we need that line.

1969
03:25:49,720 --> 03:25:53,800
Yeah well it's like you're grabbing. Yeah I just wanted to point out that that is a

1970
03:25:53,800 --> 03:25:57,000
typo it's not a ranked choice it's the ranked choice.

1971
03:26:00,760 --> 03:26:02,360
Motion got really bad candidate.

1972
03:26:05,000 --> 03:26:07,240
Can you repeat the section?

1973
03:26:08,360 --> 03:26:16,360
Three it's section three item seven says voltage shall be determined by a ranked

1974
03:26:16,360 --> 03:26:22,360
choice voting or it should have been ranked. Should they rank but when I looked up the definition

1975
03:26:22,360 --> 03:26:26,520
of ranked choice it didn't seem to be what we're specifying in here.

1976
03:26:31,960 --> 03:26:40,840
So I think maybe we just leave that whole line out and just spell out what we're doing.

1977
03:26:47,160 --> 03:27:00,520
So there's two different levels of grading candidates. The first is the grading of applications

1978
03:27:01,080 --> 03:27:10,440
which is by the point system I highlighted here which I agree with you is not the same thing as

1979
03:27:10,440 --> 03:27:17,960
our ranked choice voting system where the ranked choice voting system applies would be

1980
03:27:17,960 --> 03:27:25,640
following the interviews so that we can get through what potentially could be a tie.

1981
03:27:27,560 --> 03:27:32,920
So the ranked choice voting system would would ensure that there be a top ranked candidate.

1982
03:27:33,640 --> 03:27:43,000
But you're saying ranked is an adding up the scores of everybody not the ranked choice voting

1983
03:27:43,000 --> 03:27:51,320
that I have read it's getting to a 50% over a large candidate or a large voting pool.

1984
03:27:51,880 --> 03:27:59,240
That's correct. So the way that ranked choice voting works is you pick your candidates

1985
03:28:00,040 --> 03:28:07,400
in order of your preference and we'll take the tabulation and if there's a candidate that

1986
03:28:07,400 --> 03:28:16,200
scores more than 50% that candidate is the candidate of choice. If there are no candidates

1987
03:28:16,840 --> 03:28:24,440
over 50% the lowest scoring candidate but then get you know.

1988
03:28:24,440 --> 03:28:29,080
Yep and that does follow my understanding. So that's what you're getting at there.

1989
03:28:29,080 --> 03:28:30,120
That's correct. Yeah.

1990
03:28:36,840 --> 03:28:45,240
And Colleen, I just would point out the ranked choice voting though it's three or more candidates.

1991
03:28:45,240 --> 03:28:49,640
If you have two candidates you can always end in a tie because we had I had that when I sat there

1992
03:28:49,640 --> 03:28:56,360
when it was between Chip and Dick Josephson. It was three three each way so if you did a ranked

1993
03:28:56,360 --> 03:29:02,600
choice each candidate would have been at 50% there were no lower candidates to bump out so

1994
03:29:02,600 --> 03:29:06,360
ranked choice needs at least more than two people.

1995
03:29:11,160 --> 03:29:17,080
How many did we say we were bringing it down to candidates?

1996
03:29:17,080 --> 03:29:24,840
I'll take five. So do we need to change something then?

1997
03:29:25,800 --> 03:29:31,000
Quine flip. That's the default right?

1998
03:29:36,360 --> 03:29:38,760
Are we good with it the way it is then or do we need to?

1999
03:29:38,760 --> 03:29:45,800
I guess I just don't know how to change it and like Judd said it may

2000
03:29:46,840 --> 03:29:52,520
be hard to choose but we'll just maybe have to deal with it at the time.

2001
03:29:55,160 --> 03:29:56,200
Hope it doesn't happen.

2002
03:29:58,680 --> 03:29:59,720
Hopefully I have five.

2003
03:30:00,200 --> 03:30:05,240
So it looks like Bill's thinking.

2004
03:30:06,680 --> 03:30:07,880
Yeah, it looks like he's thinking.

2005
03:30:10,200 --> 03:30:12,360
It's going to speak. No, Al's going to speak.

2006
03:30:14,440 --> 03:30:19,160
If you're concerned about a tie, the solution is not to change how you vote because it's always

2007
03:30:19,160 --> 03:30:23,320
going to be a tie regardless of whether you do a ranked choice or whether you do it just as a

2008
03:30:23,320 --> 03:30:30,120
straight out vote. In the case of an election if there's a tie vote then the

2009
03:30:31,320 --> 03:30:36,760
winning candidate is selected by some luck of the draw process.

2010
03:30:37,320 --> 03:30:40,760
Only names out of a hat, drawing straws, flipping a coin.

2011
03:30:43,000 --> 03:30:49,000
We could add that as a fail safe if there's a tie vote into the policy if you want.

2012
03:30:49,960 --> 03:30:54,520
But you have to decide then what method you want to use, you want to use a coin,

2013
03:30:54,520 --> 03:30:55,640
did you want to use straws?

2014
03:31:01,880 --> 03:31:05,880
Can we just leave it the way it is and hope for the best?

2015
03:31:09,400 --> 03:31:14,920
I guess I like the idea of a coin flow because you don't want to be in a situation where we're

2016
03:31:14,920 --> 03:31:17,880
just continually debating trying to break a tie.

2017
03:31:19,560 --> 03:31:20,360
That's fine too.

2018
03:31:23,240 --> 03:31:25,640
And then we'll get us to call the coin to us.

2019
03:31:36,600 --> 03:31:38,440
Yeah, you're the maker of the emotional thread, right?

2020
03:31:38,440 --> 03:31:54,920
Yes, no. I'll amend the motion to include a coin flip with the person with the earliest

2021
03:31:56,520 --> 03:32:00,680
name in alphabetical last name is one and the second is two.

2022
03:32:02,920 --> 03:32:03,800
Heads or tails?

2023
03:32:03,800 --> 03:32:06,120
Are you serious?

2024
03:32:08,760 --> 03:32:10,280
We want to get to detail. There you go.

2025
03:32:18,200 --> 03:32:24,200
Order men in motion to include a coin in the event of a tie.

2026
03:32:33,800 --> 03:32:41,560
Imagine if we had to debate this when it was contested.

2027
03:32:43,960 --> 03:32:50,040
Hey, what if it's a woman with a hyphenated last name? Do we use the first of the hyphenated or the last?

2028
03:32:52,840 --> 03:32:59,240
Okay, so I have court amended the motion to include a coin flip in the event of a tie with the earliest

2029
03:33:00,040 --> 03:33:02,680
alphabetical last name being heads.

2030
03:33:04,680 --> 03:33:06,200
It makes sense to me.

2031
03:33:10,120 --> 03:33:13,080
Let's go for me. Okay, we're all good. Let's take a vote.

2032
03:33:15,320 --> 03:33:17,480
All those, I think we are, aren't we?

2033
03:33:21,000 --> 03:33:22,200
We're all good with the amendment.

2034
03:33:24,680 --> 03:33:31,480
All those in favor of 2026-059, adopting a policy for filling vacancies as it has been read.

2035
03:33:31,560 --> 03:33:34,200
Indicate by saying aye.

2036
03:33:34,200 --> 03:33:34,840
Aye.

2037
03:33:34,840 --> 03:33:38,200
Those opposed indicate by saying no.

2038
03:33:39,400 --> 03:33:41,000
Motion carries unanimously.

2039
03:33:42,520 --> 03:33:50,840
Resolution 26-0-6-0 resolution adopting core values for civility and conduct in the village of

2040
03:33:50,840 --> 03:33:55,720
the forest. We have one person who would like to speak, Rebecca Withershon.

2041
03:33:58,840 --> 03:33:59,400
Yeah, please.

2042
03:34:01,480 --> 03:34:09,080
Oh, I'm sorry.

2043
03:34:12,360 --> 03:34:13,560
Just sit there, Rebecca.

2044
03:34:13,560 --> 03:34:14,920
Next step, speak.

2045
03:34:14,920 --> 03:34:16,200
I can be quick.

2046
03:34:16,200 --> 03:34:16,680
Just sit.

2047
03:34:17,240 --> 03:34:27,000
So we previously discussed the last, I don't know, the adoption of core values

2048
03:34:27,000 --> 03:34:31,160
or modifying and simplifying the core values from 12 to five.

2049
03:34:32,280 --> 03:34:39,960
You'll see as part of the packet, a red line version, which indicates where we simplified

2050
03:34:39,960 --> 03:34:43,640
and removed language and combined language.

2051
03:34:45,400 --> 03:34:52,760
I do want to note that Trustee Corps recommended that the have fun section be renamed

2052
03:34:53,560 --> 03:34:57,160
to enjoy the experience. I did miss that.

2053
03:34:57,720 --> 03:35:01,720
So please, when you make your motion, if you still want that to be changed,

2054
03:35:02,600 --> 03:35:05,160
have that be a part of your motion and I can be done.

2055
03:35:11,560 --> 03:35:12,920
Okay, Rebecca, you can talk now.

2056
03:35:14,520 --> 03:35:16,520
Nothing's changed, still, Rebecca.

2057
03:35:17,640 --> 03:35:23,080
I support the adoption of the resolution adopting the core values for civility and conduct for

2058
03:35:23,080 --> 03:35:25,400
the village of DeForest with a caveat.

2059
03:35:26,120 --> 03:35:30,120
In today's political climate, at every level of government professionalism,

2060
03:35:30,120 --> 03:35:32,600
respect and basic civility matter.

2061
03:35:32,600 --> 03:35:37,080
They matter for this board, for village staff, and for the residents who place their trust in you.

2062
03:35:37,640 --> 03:35:42,280
But I also want to respectfully say that this resolution does not go far enough.

2063
03:35:42,840 --> 03:35:47,720
A code of conduct without enforceability is ultimately just a piece of paper with pretty

2064
03:35:47,720 --> 03:35:49,800
words and good intentions.

2065
03:35:49,800 --> 03:35:55,000
If there are no meaningful consequences, when those standards are violated,

2066
03:35:55,000 --> 03:35:58,920
then the public has no reason to believe the code actually means anything.

2067
03:35:59,560 --> 03:36:03,000
I say that not theoretically, but from personal experience.

2068
03:36:03,000 --> 03:36:07,960
I found out the hard way that previous, that the previous code of conduct adopted by this

2069
03:36:07,960 --> 03:36:12,280
board was completely unenforceful after I, as a then sitting trustee,

2070
03:36:13,240 --> 03:36:18,600
was publicly treated in a manner that violated that code by two fellow trustees, including,

2071
03:36:19,240 --> 03:36:25,880
I apologize, the now former, or the now current village trust president.

2072
03:36:25,880 --> 03:36:30,600
To this day, that current village president has never apologized for her inappropriate

2073
03:36:30,600 --> 03:36:36,120
public behavior toward me, despite the fact that I apologized to her for my own less

2074
03:36:36,120 --> 03:36:38,600
than professional response to how I was treated.

2075
03:36:39,320 --> 03:36:41,720
That experience taught me something important.

2076
03:36:41,720 --> 03:36:45,480
Standards without accountability do not protect civility.

2077
03:36:45,480 --> 03:36:51,400
They simply create the appearance of civility and allow discord to fester and grow.

2078
03:36:51,400 --> 03:36:54,920
And if this board adopts a new code of civility and conduct tonight,

2079
03:36:54,920 --> 03:36:58,920
the public will reasonably expect that it actually be enforceable.

2080
03:36:59,720 --> 03:37:04,040
Residents will assume there is a process that complaints can be reviewed fairly,

2081
03:37:04,040 --> 03:37:07,240
and that repeated violations will carry consequences.

2082
03:37:07,240 --> 03:37:13,320
Otherwise, again, this resolution risks becoming symbolic rather than meaningful.

2083
03:37:13,960 --> 03:37:19,080
I am not suggesting that every disagreement or heated moment should trigger punishment.

2084
03:37:19,080 --> 03:37:24,440
Healthy disagreement is part of public service, but there must be some codified process for

2085
03:37:24,440 --> 03:37:29,080
accountability when conduct repeatedly crosses the line.

2086
03:37:29,080 --> 03:37:35,080
That could include formal censure procedures, written findings, mandatory mediation, removal

2087
03:37:35,080 --> 03:37:41,000
from committee assignments, or other clearly defined consequences determined by the board.

2088
03:37:41,000 --> 03:37:47,000
But without something enforceable, this code will likely end up exactly where the last one did,

2089
03:37:47,000 --> 03:37:51,960
existing on paper while violations occur without consequences.

2090
03:37:52,600 --> 03:37:56,360
So I encourage this board to adopt this resolution tonight,

2091
03:37:56,360 --> 03:37:59,960
but I also strongly encourage you to not stop here.

2092
03:37:59,960 --> 03:38:05,880
If civility and professional truly matter, then accountability must also matter.

2093
03:38:05,880 --> 03:38:07,800
Thank you. Any questions?

2094
03:38:10,840 --> 03:38:11,800
Yeah, thank you for that.

2095
03:38:11,800 --> 03:38:16,440
Wouldn't the ethics board be your accountability measure?

2096
03:38:18,040 --> 03:38:24,920
If there's no enforceable, the ethics code is related to financial stuff.

2097
03:38:24,920 --> 03:38:27,320
It's not related to behavioral stuff.

2098
03:38:27,320 --> 03:38:30,040
At least that's what my understanding was back in the day.

2099
03:38:31,320 --> 03:38:36,440
I tried going that route. I was told that was not an option.

2100
03:38:41,080 --> 03:38:45,400
I think the problem we've always had is that being elected officials,

2101
03:38:45,400 --> 03:38:48,840
wasn't it? How do you take action?

2102
03:38:49,400 --> 03:38:59,720
Well, you're going back a lot of years to something that I didn't think was that big a deal,

2103
03:38:59,720 --> 03:39:01,720
but I will apologize right now.

2104
03:39:01,720 --> 03:39:03,000
Thank you. I appreciate that.

2105
03:39:03,000 --> 03:39:03,640
You're welcome.

2106
03:39:03,640 --> 03:39:06,600
Yeah, and again, I do apologize for my reaction.

2107
03:39:06,600 --> 03:39:08,360
It was really inappropriate.

2108
03:39:09,480 --> 03:39:16,920
But yeah, just some kind of either make it very clear that it is something that is a standard

2109
03:39:16,920 --> 03:39:23,080
you're adopting, but is not enforceable so that the public doesn't think it's enforceable,

2110
03:39:23,080 --> 03:39:25,800
and that fellow trustees don't think it's enforceable.

2111
03:39:26,360 --> 03:39:28,440
I get it. I just don't know how we're going to enforce it.

2112
03:39:28,440 --> 03:39:31,000
Exactly. That's a tough one.

2113
03:39:31,000 --> 03:39:31,880
Thank you.

2114
03:39:31,880 --> 03:39:34,040
Mm-hmm. Okay.

2115
03:39:41,080 --> 03:39:43,400
Did you have something to say? I forgot what you.

2116
03:39:43,480 --> 03:39:49,000
No, I just raised my hand because I thought we were starting to enter the discussion.

2117
03:39:49,000 --> 03:39:50,040
So I wonder now.

2118
03:39:51,880 --> 03:39:55,720
I'll let her change the motion on resolution 206060.

2119
03:40:01,800 --> 03:40:03,240
Okay, I'll make the motion.

2120
03:40:04,200 --> 03:40:05,160
There's a second.

2121
03:40:05,160 --> 03:40:05,560
Second.

2122
03:40:07,160 --> 03:40:07,720
Discussion?

2123
03:40:12,440 --> 03:40:16,680
I guess I'll start the discussion that to me was a my discussion,

2124
03:40:16,680 --> 03:40:20,920
but it was talking about is there any way that make it enforceable or anything?

2125
03:40:23,880 --> 03:40:24,920
In my opinion, no.

2126
03:40:27,000 --> 03:40:32,680
These standards are written as basically a commitment that you are making to each other

2127
03:40:32,680 --> 03:40:34,840
and to the public as to how you behave.

2128
03:40:35,480 --> 03:40:37,720
The First Amendment lets you say whatever you want.

2129
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:40,840
Okay, with a few narrow exceptions.

2130
03:40:40,840 --> 03:40:42,360
You can't yell fire in a theater.

2131
03:40:42,360 --> 03:40:43,640
You can't defame people.

2132
03:40:43,640 --> 03:40:46,840
You can't incite a riot.

2133
03:40:48,040 --> 03:40:52,760
Short of that, the First Amendment protects political speech.

2134
03:40:53,400 --> 03:40:58,520
It protects non-political speech, and it especially protects unpopular speech.

2135
03:40:59,320 --> 03:41:01,720
We don't need a First Amendment to protect speech.

2136
03:41:01,720 --> 03:41:02,840
Everybody wants to hear.

2137
03:41:03,480 --> 03:41:10,200
So there's just no way to make it enforceable when the conduct that you're regulating

2138
03:41:10,200 --> 03:41:10,920
his speech.

2139
03:41:12,360 --> 03:41:14,280
And that's when most of the complaints come in.

2140
03:41:14,280 --> 03:41:16,200
I don't like what that person said about me.

2141
03:41:17,160 --> 03:41:20,520
That person's twisting what I said or whatever.

2142
03:41:21,400 --> 03:41:25,960
People have a right to twist what you say, the right to say bad things about you.

2143
03:41:26,040 --> 03:41:29,160
And especially when you're a public official, you have to be

2144
03:41:29,160 --> 03:41:30,600
thick-skinned and accept that.

2145
03:41:30,600 --> 03:41:33,000
That's just part of the way things work.

2146
03:41:33,560 --> 03:41:42,840
So any kind of a governmental sanction on somebody for speech is going to be very suspect

2147
03:41:42,840 --> 03:41:44,600
and is probably not going to survive.

2148
03:41:48,680 --> 03:41:49,000
Jim?

2149
03:41:51,240 --> 03:41:53,160
I thank you for that, Al.

2150
03:41:53,160 --> 03:41:55,800
I can tell you two quick things.

2151
03:41:55,800 --> 03:42:00,920
I do think we should add to the motion the change the have fun to

2152
03:42:01,560 --> 03:42:04,200
was enjoy the experience or whatever it was.

2153
03:42:06,200 --> 03:42:12,520
I personally, I mentioned that I'd like to have somewhere added into the wording.

2154
03:42:12,520 --> 03:42:16,600
Probably not a title, but have a difficult conversation.

2155
03:42:17,320 --> 03:42:18,840
I thought that was important.

2156
03:42:18,840 --> 03:42:22,280
And I've had some difficult conversations.

2157
03:42:22,280 --> 03:42:25,320
I say with some of the trustees and president up here.

2158
03:42:25,320 --> 03:42:32,200
And I think that's really helps say circumvent a lot of misunderstandings and stuff.

2159
03:42:32,200 --> 03:42:37,560
So I think it's important to have that somewhere in this document.

2160
03:42:39,640 --> 03:42:44,360
The one thing I want to say and I guess does go to a little bit what you mentioned.

2161
03:42:44,360 --> 03:42:50,600
Alan is that I think we all have different definitions of what we're really reading because

2162
03:42:50,600 --> 03:42:55,960
I can tell you tonight, I'll read it right here in the resolution.

2163
03:42:56,920 --> 03:43:03,240
The whereas the atmosphere of insubility and disrespect can have a damaging effect on the

2164
03:43:03,240 --> 03:43:09,800
proceedings, the quality of debate, and the practice of Democrats itself.

2165
03:43:10,680 --> 03:43:12,600
I feel we had that here tonight.

2166
03:43:13,560 --> 03:43:18,280
In my opinion, this the 23 years that I've been on committees,

2167
03:43:18,280 --> 03:43:22,360
I think this has been the most detrimental we've had just to keep

2168
03:43:22,360 --> 03:43:24,840
bringing back topics over and over again.

2169
03:43:25,800 --> 03:43:27,960
But I can understand that's my opinion.

2170
03:43:28,520 --> 03:43:30,760
I is a strong opinion for myself.

2171
03:43:32,120 --> 03:43:35,320
That's obviously not the opinion that's held by everybody on the board.

2172
03:43:36,120 --> 03:43:41,960
So that goes to prove that there's many different definitions of individual words as we read this.

2173
03:43:42,680 --> 03:43:46,120
So I don't quite know how we enforce something.

2174
03:43:46,680 --> 03:43:51,560
You say that it'd be hard to enforce speech and we're really it's hard to enforce anything

2175
03:43:51,560 --> 03:43:56,120
when everybody else has different definitions of individual words that we have here.

2176
03:43:56,120 --> 03:44:06,040
I guess if it was me, I wouldn't want to do a motion on this agenda item tonight

2177
03:44:06,600 --> 03:44:17,720
as I feel it's a little bit disingenuous or insincere to be acting on this tonight.

2178
03:44:17,720 --> 03:44:22,840
Anybody?

2179
03:44:27,720 --> 03:44:33,480
Well, then why don't we just forget even having core values in our in a resolution?

2180
03:44:39,000 --> 03:44:45,000
Well, I have a we have a motion in a second and then Jim made our friendly as well on that.

2181
03:44:45,000 --> 03:44:49,560
So they can just drop it.

2182
03:44:55,720 --> 03:44:56,200
I'm sorry.

2183
03:44:58,520 --> 03:44:59,480
We're still in discussion.

2184
03:45:00,840 --> 03:45:06,520
I think we took the time to discuss this at the last meeting and put our input

2185
03:45:07,880 --> 03:45:13,000
and not taking away from the sentiments of the other trustees that I think that we can move

2186
03:45:13,080 --> 03:45:21,240
forward with this and the staff is also taking the time to do this as well. So that's my opinion.

2187
03:45:23,400 --> 03:45:29,320
That's fine with me. It's too bad we even need to have something to talk about civility and conduct

2188
03:45:29,320 --> 03:45:37,480
when it should just be good old decent human behavior. But do we have a motion in a second?

2189
03:45:38,440 --> 03:45:48,520
Maybe do I guess can I officially ask for the friendly to change the have fun to enjoy the experience?

2190
03:45:49,480 --> 03:45:56,760
And could I ask probably and the take the responsibility to build trust if we could add a

2191
03:45:56,840 --> 03:46:00,520
sentence in there is to have the difficult conversations?

2192
03:46:15,720 --> 03:46:20,440
Brandy? Hey, thank you. Do you want me to read it? Oh, God, please.

2193
03:46:21,320 --> 03:46:25,560
Okay, I have a motion by little seconded by Williams and that I have

2194
03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:31,560
sent some made a friendly to add the motion to change have fun to enjoy the experience

2195
03:46:32,200 --> 03:46:38,360
and undertake responsibility to build trust and have the difficult conversations.

2196
03:46:39,080 --> 03:46:53,400
Something? So I have to second that again. No, no, I made the motion. Yeah, he made the friendly

2197
03:46:56,360 --> 03:47:02,280
to the person making the motion. Okay, the person making the motion and the second have to accept

2198
03:47:02,280 --> 03:47:05,080
the amendment. We accept the amendment.

2199
03:47:09,320 --> 03:47:13,320
All those in favor of the resolution is read by Brandy, but we're saying aye.

2200
03:47:13,320 --> 03:47:21,080
Aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. No. What do we got? I have the one. Motion carries.

2201
03:47:25,080 --> 03:47:31,960
Thank you. Resolution designating the river turn phase three park as river bend park.

2202
03:47:32,920 --> 03:47:38,120
Good staff presentation. Yes, so let's recall river bend phase

2203
03:47:40,280 --> 03:47:46,040
three park is what is currently in the river's turn phase three park. We put this out

2204
03:47:47,640 --> 03:47:51,640
before the public services committee and back to you to bring forth the three names that we

2205
03:47:51,640 --> 03:47:56,920
ultimately put forth before the village and engaged a forest that went to the vote and engaged a

2206
03:47:56,920 --> 03:48:03,640
forest. We had 28 votes for sedge metal park, 216 votes for river bend park and then 76 votes

2207
03:48:03,640 --> 03:48:10,680
for stone crop park. So ultimately the people who voted on engaged a forest chose river bend

2208
03:48:10,680 --> 03:48:15,720
park. So ultimately that staff recommendation ultimately it's up to you all whether you want

2209
03:48:15,720 --> 03:48:22,920
to change the name of that or to officially name that river bend park. Thank you. We have no public

2210
03:48:22,920 --> 03:48:30,200
appearances on that. Is there a motion? We'll make a motion. Motion by Jan. Is there a second?

2211
03:48:30,200 --> 03:48:37,640
I'll second. Second by Jim. Motion 20260061, never designating river turn phase three park

2212
03:48:37,640 --> 03:48:43,080
as river bend park. All those in favor into capis saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? No.

2213
03:48:43,960 --> 03:48:50,760
Motion carries unanimously. New business ordinance 20260006, an ordinance to rezone

2214
03:48:50,760 --> 03:48:57,320
approximately 0.47 acres of the parcel named on the agenda within the time of Vanna in the

2215
03:48:57,320 --> 03:49:03,880
deforest Vanna extraterritorial zoning jurisdiction. Brandi, you want to present on it or send the

2216
03:49:03,880 --> 03:49:12,520
packets? Just really quick because I do want to just point out one thing to take away any confusion.

2217
03:49:13,480 --> 03:49:22,360
So this is a request for a residential rezone from a larger parcel. It's a mom and a daughter

2218
03:49:22,360 --> 03:49:26,920
that own land together. The daughter would like to make her land a little bit larger.

2219
03:49:27,880 --> 03:49:36,680
But where her site is is currently zoned RE2. The other lot is our H1 which is rural. You can't

2220
03:49:36,680 --> 03:49:42,920
combine two lots and have multiple zoning on the same lot. So we're combining a lot to make a

2221
03:49:42,920 --> 03:49:49,320
larger lot for the residential parcel while still remaining under the bulk standards for the RH1

2222
03:49:49,320 --> 03:49:55,880
parcel. Just want to clarify. So the certified survey map for this is not approved by the village

2223
03:49:55,880 --> 03:50:01,640
because it is in the town. We do do a review on certified survey maps for the towns. But those

2224
03:50:01,720 --> 03:50:08,440
are all done by Dane County. So one of the things, questions that was asked was the math doesn't

2225
03:50:08,440 --> 03:50:15,960
really math in the numbers that I have in the staff report. So I just wanted to explain that a

2226
03:50:15,960 --> 03:50:25,160
little bit. The parcel that's being rezoned is .47 acres approximately. That's based on aerial

2227
03:50:25,160 --> 03:50:31,080
dynamics, things like that. It's not going off of the certified survey map at this point.

2228
03:50:31,960 --> 03:50:41,080
So it's approximately one acre total that's going to have the zoning on the RE2 district.

2229
03:50:41,880 --> 03:50:49,400
We just don't have the exact pinpoint how many square feet acres it's going to be with the

2230
03:50:49,400 --> 03:50:53,880
right away and everything else that's included with the town approvals. So just wanted to clarify

2231
03:50:53,880 --> 03:51:02,440
that for you guys. But that is basically it. So I will be quiet. Thank you. We have no public

2232
03:51:02,440 --> 03:51:09,000
appearances on that. Is there a motion to approve 2026 006? Motion to approve.

2233
03:51:09,640 --> 03:51:12,840
Second by Brad. Seconded by Melanie. Any discussion?

2234
03:51:15,080 --> 03:51:22,040
All in favor and a key by saying aye. Aye. Opposed or opposed no. Motion carries unanimously.

2235
03:51:22,920 --> 03:51:31,800
Ordinance 2026 007. In order to rezoned 11 acres from the AB Agricultural Business Zoning District

2236
03:51:31,800 --> 03:51:39,800
to M1 restricted industrial district located west of highway I interstate overpass in the town of

2237
03:51:39,800 --> 03:51:47,240
Vienna. Again the deforest Vienna extraterritorial zoning jurisdiction. Randy. Would you like me to

2238
03:51:47,240 --> 03:51:55,240
do an overview? I can't. I will really quick. So this is property located in Zoe Lane which is

2239
03:51:55,240 --> 03:52:05,880
just north of highway V and would be west of a portion of County Highway I picture in your mind

2240
03:52:05,880 --> 03:52:10,920
where the new hotel is going over in that kind of area over there Exxon Mobil things like that.

2241
03:52:10,920 --> 03:52:15,400
So way north of that there's a plot of land actually Bill has it up on the screen now.

2242
03:52:16,360 --> 03:52:22,520
That was used for agricultural business and now they're looking at converting and being able to

2243
03:52:22,520 --> 03:52:32,280
do like EV sales of more of like delivery truck small you know kind of utility vehicles like that.

2244
03:52:32,280 --> 03:52:36,360
In order to be able to do that that's not permitted in the agricultural business.

2245
03:52:36,360 --> 03:52:41,640
Agricultural business is strictly for as it sounds agricultural equipment farm equipment

2246
03:52:41,640 --> 03:52:49,320
things like that. The rezoning is proposed over to the M1 because it is the most restrictive

2247
03:52:49,320 --> 03:52:54,040
industrial district. We don't want to have large manufacturing or anything in this specific area

2248
03:52:54,040 --> 03:53:00,920
but industrial you know does allow for this kind of restrictive use. Comprehensive plan also does

2249
03:53:00,920 --> 03:53:07,640
allow for it in the town's comprehensive plan does also coordinate with that. So any questions

2250
03:53:07,640 --> 03:53:11,160
I'm more than half of the answer to them.

2251
03:53:17,480 --> 03:53:21,480
I'm sorry nobody has any questions we have no public appearances is there a motion to approve

2252
03:53:21,480 --> 03:53:31,720
2026 007 motion to approve 2026 007 motion by Jim is there second second second by Alicia

2253
03:53:32,600 --> 03:53:41,000
Bowles the favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed no. Thank you and must approve.

2254
03:53:42,440 --> 03:53:48,840
Resolution 2026 0062 resolution accepting the lowest qualified bid and awarding a contract

2255
03:53:48,840 --> 03:53:53,400
with a construction of a roundabout at Williamsburg Way and Peterson Gross and Boulevard.

2256
03:53:54,040 --> 03:53:59,720
Do you have anything to say? There's been one packet as an underground as the parent low bidder.

2257
03:53:59,800 --> 03:54:04,520
We have had no issues with them working in the past so we recommend accepting this

2258
03:54:04,520 --> 03:54:12,920
lowest qualified bid. No public appearances is there a motion resolution 2026 0062.

2259
03:54:12,920 --> 03:54:21,160
I'll make a motion to approve a resolution 2026 0060. Is there a second? I'll second it.

2260
03:54:22,120 --> 03:54:29,080
Any discussion? Jim. I'm wondering if you know who the roundabout designer is.

2261
03:54:29,960 --> 03:54:35,000
This is curiosity. We worked with KL engineering for the design of the roundabout.

2262
03:54:37,800 --> 03:54:40,360
Okay. Anything else?

2263
03:54:44,040 --> 03:54:48,120
All those in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye.

2264
03:54:48,120 --> 03:54:51,320
All opposed no. Resolution period.

2265
03:54:51,400 --> 03:54:59,160
Absolutely. Ordinance 2026 008 an ordinance to approve 7th amended preliminary development plan

2266
03:54:59,720 --> 03:55:02,360
for the Conservancy Place planned unit development.

2267
03:55:04,440 --> 03:55:09,720
Do we have Mr. Roth for the Mark Troft about two hours ago? I don't blame him.

2268
03:55:10,840 --> 03:55:16,200
So I'll up and shit here. It's memo in the packet. It's helpful to kind of paint the picture here.

2269
03:55:16,760 --> 03:55:22,840
And this is an amendment to the PDP associated with the Conservancy Place planned unit development

2270
03:55:22,840 --> 03:55:27,480
which is out by the athletic complex by the ball fields there for orientation.

2271
03:55:28,360 --> 03:55:34,520
Driven primarily by a proposed senior housing development that P&Z had a concept presentation

2272
03:55:34,520 --> 03:55:40,360
I forwarded you the recording for that. Mark, hopefully in the exhibit here had sort of a

2273
03:55:40,360 --> 03:55:46,920
pseudo track changes where he highlighted in yellow the amendments that were related to that

2274
03:55:46,920 --> 03:55:55,480
development in green the amendments that were related to an addition of unit counts for owner

2275
03:55:55,480 --> 03:56:01,160
occupied duplexes and then in blue sort of miscellaneous cleanup amendments as well.

2276
03:56:01,880 --> 03:56:10,440
High level this would increase the overall housing unit cap from 1330 to 1368

2277
03:56:11,080 --> 03:56:17,640
an increase of 30 and that would allow for the addition of those condo units in what is deemed

2278
03:56:17,640 --> 03:56:25,880
the Knowles. I don't know if anybody's got GIS on the screen here but I can highlight where that

2279
03:56:25,880 --> 03:56:38,200
is off of river road. Yup vacant land through there and then the PDP amendment also exempts

2280
03:56:39,400 --> 03:56:47,480
institutional residential use up to 140 units for this sort of senior continuum of care facility

2281
03:56:48,040 --> 03:56:53,400
from the unit count as well. It also includes a use restriction of that so it has to be elderly

2282
03:56:53,400 --> 03:56:58,920
senior or elderly houses for at least 30 years. That development would eventually have to come in

2283
03:56:58,920 --> 03:57:05,160
for a conditional use permit and then have to comply with restrictions around that too.

2284
03:57:07,400 --> 03:57:12,680
I guess I can kind of pause the presentation there. I think there may be some questions.

2285
03:57:12,680 --> 03:57:17,560
I think Mark also referred to a master development agreement which governs the entire

2286
03:57:17,560 --> 03:57:24,440
conservancy place PUD. That is something that is currently being negotiated and I'll probably

2287
03:57:24,440 --> 03:57:29,960
lean on Bill and Al for a status update on that but I'll pause there and then we can get into discussion.

2288
03:57:33,480 --> 03:57:41,480
So regarding the master development agreement that is the tool or document that ties this approval

2289
03:57:41,480 --> 03:57:48,840
the PDP to the right of first refusal or the land and property that is immediately adjacent

2290
03:57:48,840 --> 03:57:56,920
to the athletic complex. We are currently negotiating that master development agreement and have not

2291
03:57:56,920 --> 03:58:08,200
yet received the response to our most recent red lines to them and so although it does not require

2292
03:58:09,160 --> 03:58:19,320
a digital tie between or conflict between the PDP as written here and what is ultimately

2293
03:58:19,960 --> 03:58:27,000
will end up in the master development agreement. This board could potentially

2294
03:58:27,640 --> 03:58:40,360
confirm the MDA, ensure that the MDA gets to an agreement by conditioning it,

2295
03:58:40,920 --> 03:58:46,520
conditioning this ordinance upon approval of that master development agreement.

2296
03:58:49,480 --> 03:58:52,040
Sorry it's getting late. I'll go into my words.

2297
03:58:52,040 --> 03:59:03,880
I'm sorry. Great go ahead. Yeah a couple questions. Was this restriction on the number of units

2298
03:59:03,880 --> 03:59:10,360
for conservancy place specifically or the village? Conservancy place within the planned unit development.

2299
03:59:10,360 --> 03:59:15,080
Great and then the second one the video you sent it was great. I appreciate that.

2300
03:59:15,960 --> 03:59:20,040
The only thing I saw them show though was the development on the north side of innovation,

2301
03:59:20,040 --> 03:59:23,960
not the south. Is that all included or just the north we're talking about right now?

2302
03:59:24,840 --> 03:59:29,240
So it would just be whoever's got the cursor it's just along those parcels now is the

2303
03:59:30,280 --> 03:59:35,960
senior development which I will just to clarify is separate from this. This amendment would

2304
03:59:35,960 --> 03:59:43,080
enable that development to move forward with its approval process. So this the PDP that we're

2305
03:59:43,080 --> 03:59:49,000
reviewing covers a much larger section of the village out in that area but within that

2306
03:59:49,720 --> 03:59:54,840
EDP or planned unit development the senior development is taking place on the north side of innovation.

2307
04:00:05,160 --> 04:00:12,040
So if the village board were to consider this amendment as is it sounds like what Bill

2308
04:00:12,520 --> 04:00:17,160
and potentially Al would be recommending too would be to add a condition of approval that the

2309
04:00:17,160 --> 04:00:22,280
master development agreement also be approved and I'm assuming the right of first refusal as well.

2310
04:00:24,680 --> 04:00:31,320
The first the right of first refusal is an exhibit or to the master development agreement. So upon

2311
04:00:31,320 --> 04:00:37,000
approval of the agreement we would be agreed to the right of first refusal and would just require

2312
04:00:37,000 --> 04:00:43,080
execution. And so both of those documents or I guess that document with its accompanying exhibit

2313
04:00:43,080 --> 04:00:46,200
would come before you all for review at a future board meeting as well.

2314
04:00:53,800 --> 04:00:55,720
Okay and we have no public appearances on that.

2315
04:00:57,800 --> 04:00:58,600
It's our motion.

2316
04:01:01,080 --> 04:01:06,440
I'll make the motion to approve 2026 008. Second.

2317
04:01:07,640 --> 04:01:12,040
Are we adding that contingency to your motion Jim? Sure.

2318
04:01:13,320 --> 04:01:17,880
Yes. Yes. Okay. Motion by Jim. Seconded by Brad.

2319
04:01:19,960 --> 04:01:24,840
It's 2026 008. Approving a Seventh Amendment Preliminary Development Plan.

2320
04:01:26,600 --> 04:01:30,840
The Conservancy Place Plan Unit Development. Adding the condition of approval of the

2321
04:01:30,840 --> 04:01:34,360
master development agreement. Is that correct? That's correct.

2322
04:01:43,320 --> 04:01:45,880
Okay. All those in favor and a cape I say aye.

2323
04:01:47,160 --> 04:01:52,520
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I. Opposed no. Motion carries unanimously.

2324
04:01:54,680 --> 04:02:03,320
Passing. Ordinance 2026 009. Ordinance amending Section 1107. In creating section 15.046

2325
04:02:04,040 --> 04:02:09,640
of the deforest municipal code restricting residency of sect offenders. Chief Olsen.

2326
04:02:13,080 --> 04:02:17,760
Let me just open a quick point.

2327
04:02:17,760 --> 04:02:21,160
I know there's probably a few questions about these, whatever you hear, the word registered

2328
04:02:21,160 --> 04:02:23,320
sex offender generally causes some angst.

2329
04:02:23,320 --> 04:02:29,520
I do want to clarify a few things and I may have to rely on our house of legal wisdom

2330
04:02:29,520 --> 04:02:34,240
to my right, just in case there's some questions I don't really have for you or answers directly

2331
04:02:34,240 --> 04:02:35,400
for you.

2332
04:02:35,400 --> 04:02:39,280
So this ordinance was adopted about a year ago.

2333
04:02:39,280 --> 04:02:44,600
Not even, I don't even think it's that one, but it set the area where a registered sex

2334
04:02:44,600 --> 04:02:48,600
offender could live a thousand feet from a safety zone, basically creates a safety buffer

2335
04:02:48,600 --> 04:02:51,080
around certain parts of the building.

2336
04:02:51,080 --> 04:02:55,600
And now this comes to you as a resident, like in an enforcement, a better place for it to

2337
04:02:55,600 --> 04:02:59,360
live is in the zoning code, and we'll kind of walk through a little bit of how this all

2338
04:02:59,360 --> 04:03:00,360
came to be.

2339
04:03:00,360 --> 04:03:04,360
So it sets a protective zone and here's some of the places that it protects, right?

2340
04:03:04,360 --> 04:03:09,280
Schools, public parks, private parks, park facilities, playgrounds, confirmed area, recreation

2341
04:03:09,280 --> 04:03:11,200
areas, childcare centers.

2342
04:03:11,200 --> 04:03:17,600
So basically, whatever the distance that I'm recommending, 750 feet from the edge of the

2343
04:03:17,600 --> 04:03:19,400
property line creates a buffer.

2344
04:03:19,400 --> 04:03:26,640
I'm going to show you some photos or some maps that Greg created for us here to hopefully

2345
04:03:26,640 --> 04:03:28,720
add a little bit of clarity to it.

2346
04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,480
That's the purpose of this.

2347
04:03:30,480 --> 04:03:31,480
Okay.

2348
04:03:31,480 --> 04:03:37,640
So registered sex offender can reside, they can't reside inside that safety zone.

2349
04:03:37,640 --> 04:03:45,360
Now with that, the other thing that we have to consider is when you look at the linear

2350
04:03:45,360 --> 04:03:51,960
distance, one of the other parts of an ordinance like this creates the lack of clustering.

2351
04:03:51,960 --> 04:03:57,320
In other words, you can't restrict so much of the village housing that a sex offender

2352
04:03:57,320 --> 04:04:02,360
is all live in like a square root block and they make their own little neighborhood.

2353
04:04:02,360 --> 04:04:04,600
It's not exactly the best either.

2354
04:04:04,600 --> 04:04:08,960
So those are just a couple of things to consider.

2355
04:04:08,960 --> 04:04:15,320
I did take this to public safety, I think last week, days are blending, I'm sorry.

2356
04:04:15,320 --> 04:04:22,280
We had a robust discussion about it there, they unanimously approved the 750 feet.

2357
04:04:22,280 --> 04:04:26,520
The other considerations that we looked at were 500 feet and 1,000 feet.

2358
04:04:26,520 --> 04:04:31,720
So just to put it in context, if you think about a village block, it's about 500 feet.

2359
04:04:31,720 --> 04:04:32,720
Okay.

2360
04:04:32,720 --> 04:04:39,880
So 750 feet of one and a half blocks is a safety zone where somebody can't live.

2361
04:04:39,880 --> 04:04:44,080
So I asked Greg to create a bunch of maps.

2362
04:04:44,080 --> 04:04:46,360
Thank God Greg created a bunch of maps.

2363
04:04:46,360 --> 04:04:52,560
I probably have like 30 emails full of maps right now, but they do kind of add some context.

2364
04:04:52,560 --> 04:04:56,840
So one thing to consider is you have to have available house.

2365
04:04:56,840 --> 04:05:02,200
I'll also anecdotally throw out this before I came to the forest, one of the, my last

2366
04:05:02,200 --> 04:05:07,680
command at MPD was sensitive primes and one of my duties was our sex offender unit and

2367
04:05:07,680 --> 04:05:11,760
we had an ordinance that was so restrictive, we got sued for it.

2368
04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:12,760
Okay.

2369
04:05:12,760 --> 04:05:16,360
Mount Pleasant has also been sued previously because they tried to rule out their entire

2370
04:05:16,360 --> 04:05:19,880
community and that's not going to work.

2371
04:05:19,880 --> 04:05:24,520
So part of this is also trying to mitigate the risk of lawsuit and things like that because

2372
04:05:24,520 --> 04:05:27,080
you have to have available housing.

2373
04:05:27,080 --> 04:05:33,080
You can see when you look at your elementary and 500 feet because of the different corners

2374
04:05:33,080 --> 04:05:37,160
of the property, some of the circles look a little bit out long and that's because it's

2375
04:05:37,160 --> 04:05:38,160
from the property line.

2376
04:05:38,160 --> 04:05:39,160
Okay.

2377
04:05:39,160 --> 04:05:44,280
But you can see there is housing around, but there's also a park that kind of skews it.

2378
04:05:44,280 --> 04:05:47,440
So there's some darker shades of blue, lighter shades of blue.

2379
04:05:47,440 --> 04:05:52,800
When you go to 750 feet, you can still see there's ample housing and again, by available

2380
04:05:52,800 --> 04:05:54,800
housing doesn't mean you can move right in.

2381
04:05:54,800 --> 04:05:59,400
It means that there's houses in that area that if for sale, somebody could buy and or

2382
04:05:59,400 --> 04:06:02,160
rent if available.

2383
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:07,560
But you can see now, Western Green Park also starts to create that safety zone.

2384
04:06:07,560 --> 04:06:08,560
Okay.

2385
04:06:08,560 --> 04:06:13,720
If you look at a thousand feet, there's very little housing available and that's just one

2386
04:06:13,720 --> 04:06:14,720
example.

2387
04:06:14,720 --> 04:06:15,720
It's a horror elementary.

2388
04:06:16,080 --> 04:06:21,000
If you go to Federal Memorial Park on Main Street, you can see at 500 feet, again, this

2389
04:06:21,000 --> 04:06:25,320
one is oblong, park dimensions.

2390
04:06:25,320 --> 04:06:31,000
You can see some other things starting to creep in here, Fireman's Park.

2391
04:06:31,000 --> 04:06:37,880
At 750 feet, there's still housing available, okay, but it's a little bit less and at a

2392
04:06:37,880 --> 04:06:43,640
thousand feet, there's not much available at all, okay?

2393
04:06:43,640 --> 04:06:44,800
I can't give you a percentage.

2394
04:06:44,800 --> 04:06:48,120
I asked Greg if we could pull it on a GIS, what percentage of housing is available, but

2395
04:06:48,120 --> 04:06:53,840
it's not able to do that and I thought it was much asking to count rooftops and do percentages.

2396
04:06:53,840 --> 04:06:59,720
So we looked at a throwing here just for your new Stargazer Park, which is just down the

2397
04:06:59,720 --> 04:07:07,680
road here off of Yorktown and lavender way, okay, rumly run all it down down in here.

2398
04:07:07,680 --> 04:07:12,200
So at 500 feet, you can see there's, you know, quite a bit of housing, 750 feet, there's

2399
04:07:12,200 --> 04:07:17,280
a bigger safety zone, again, it's a small park right in here.

2400
04:07:17,280 --> 04:07:23,520
And then at 1,000 feet, basically almost the entire community is blocked off.

2401
04:07:23,520 --> 04:07:25,000
Last one I did is conservative comments.

2402
04:07:25,000 --> 04:07:30,760
I just took the biggest park on Conservancy, again, 500 feet there and this would probably,

2403
04:07:30,760 --> 04:07:35,000
I guess I'd have to ask you all, but Sunfish Pond, I would imagine, it's a Conservancy

2404
04:07:35,000 --> 04:07:39,440
area, this would also become a film exclusion zone, so we'd have to add that to the map

2405
04:07:39,440 --> 04:07:41,520
just for your awareness, right?

2406
04:07:41,520 --> 04:07:54,720
So there'd be more restricted here, because, what is it, yeah, that's what the map says,

2407
04:07:54,720 --> 04:07:59,080
but anyway, it's a GIA, it's a failure.

2408
04:07:59,080 --> 04:08:00,080
It's a trail.

2409
04:08:00,080 --> 04:08:03,560
Well, we're not counting the trail, the trail is not it, but it's a conservancy area.

2410
04:08:03,560 --> 04:08:09,680
So either way, I took it, it's not a rabbit hole, I'm sorry.

2411
04:08:09,680 --> 04:08:14,640
But between that and the athletic complex, okay, so we have some restricted zone at 750,

2412
04:08:14,640 --> 04:08:19,560
there's more restricted, but there is still available housing and 1,000 feet, again, it

2413
04:08:19,560 --> 04:08:22,960
takes out almost the entire community.

2414
04:08:22,960 --> 04:08:23,960
Why change?

2415
04:08:23,960 --> 04:08:29,560
1,000 feet is too restrictive, I'll say that right now, there's not enough available housing,

2416
04:08:29,560 --> 04:08:33,960
it puts the village in a bad spot, opens this for liability, and it creates too much

2417
04:08:33,960 --> 04:08:38,680
of a cluster type situation, where if there were sex offenders to move, and by the way,

2418
04:08:38,680 --> 04:08:42,360
there are sex offenders in our community, you can go online, you can see the map, it's

2419
04:08:42,360 --> 04:08:50,000
pretty transparent through DOC, but people can search it, it's all open source, searchable.

2420
04:08:50,000 --> 04:08:54,320
We just don't want to create a situation where everything is clustered together.

2421
04:08:54,320 --> 04:08:59,480
This is a map of the north side of the village at 1,000 feet, with all the parks and restricted

2422
04:08:59,480 --> 04:09:04,880
areas, you can see there's been no housing, okay, and this is when I took this to P&C

2423
04:09:04,880 --> 04:09:10,120
a couple weeks ago, I didn't have this map available at the time, Greg was not available

2424
04:09:10,120 --> 04:09:14,400
to help me make it at that point, he was away at a conference, getting an award and getting

2425
04:09:14,400 --> 04:09:20,080
some training, so I got this after the fact from P&Z, but this is the north side, you

2426
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:23,840
can see there's a very little bit of housing right up here, and that's yet.

2427
04:09:23,840 --> 04:09:29,560
On the south part, south part of the village, you know, there's nothing, that basically

2428
04:09:29,560 --> 04:09:32,080
everything is excluded on the pallet and feet.

2429
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:38,160
This sets us up, I believe, in a bad way, liability-wise, but again, just as a couple

2430
04:09:38,160 --> 04:09:44,760
reminders, it's a safety zone, okay, so a registered sex offender can still use the amenities

2431
04:09:44,760 --> 04:09:49,760
of the community, they can go for a walk on the trail, they can go for a bike ride, they

2432
04:09:49,800 --> 04:09:54,640
can go running, they can't do things like loiter on the trails, take pictures of kids,

2433
04:09:54,640 --> 04:09:59,480
have a telescope in their window and all that kind of stuff, okay, but we have to have a

2434
04:09:59,480 --> 04:10:05,480
housing available, and again, by available it's just got to be not in a restricted zone.

2435
04:10:05,480 --> 04:10:13,760
And again, 750 feet to me is the right distance, it has enough available housing, but at the

2436
04:10:13,760 --> 04:10:21,680
same way, it does create a good safety buffer, you figure one and a half blocks basically

2437
04:10:21,680 --> 04:10:26,280
on every side of the property, it's a responsible place for the village to be, and again, this

2438
04:10:26,280 --> 04:10:33,320
is my professional opinion, and it does create that adequate safety area for residents.

2439
04:10:33,320 --> 04:10:38,040
So with that, I don't know, Alan, I miss anything, or do you think of, if not, I'll

2440
04:10:38,040 --> 04:10:41,280
answer whatever questions I can.

2441
04:10:41,280 --> 04:10:44,920
We have no public appearances, yeah.

2442
04:10:44,920 --> 04:10:52,440
Yeah, bring it up as a question, it might be, is Colleen, Grandy, Chief, correct me, but

2443
04:10:52,440 --> 04:10:59,080
this is brought up at the planning and zoning, I believe we passed it forward with the 750

2444
04:10:59,080 --> 04:11:04,200
with the understanding that we're leaving it up to the board to adjust it, if needed,

2445
04:11:04,200 --> 04:11:08,640
so they seem to be comfortable with whatever we chose to do here.

2446
04:11:08,640 --> 04:11:13,400
Yeah, thanks for your mind, I mean, I do, that was my recollection as well.

2447
04:11:13,400 --> 04:11:19,160
And P and Z had another robust discussion about it as well that commissioners did.

2448
04:11:19,160 --> 04:11:20,960
No, any?

2449
04:11:20,960 --> 04:11:28,720
I just have a couple of things on this one, and thanks for your presentation, that was

2450
04:11:28,720 --> 04:11:33,080
really informative and I think answered a lot of initial questions that many people probably

2451
04:11:33,080 --> 04:11:37,360
have when they saw this on the agenda, like I did.

2452
04:11:37,360 --> 04:11:43,320
This one initially really took me back and it's been a struggle for me, but I've understood

2453
04:11:43,320 --> 04:11:46,800
through conversations and through this presentation the reasons behind it.

2454
04:11:46,800 --> 04:11:54,000
So I just want to one clarify for the record that the current, the change from a thousand

2455
04:11:54,000 --> 04:12:00,240
which is the current safety zone to 750 would not displace anybody that is currently within

2456
04:12:00,240 --> 04:12:02,440
a safety zone and then would be out.

2457
04:12:02,440 --> 04:12:03,440
Correct.

2458
04:12:03,440 --> 04:12:04,600
Yeah, but as a grandfather.

2459
04:12:04,600 --> 04:12:08,480
So that wouldn't be a concern of displacing any current people.

2460
04:12:08,480 --> 04:12:13,400
You gave a really thorough overview of the village and that 1,000 foot safety zone and

2461
04:12:13,400 --> 04:12:17,520
what that actually looks like, so I appreciate that.

2462
04:12:17,520 --> 04:12:23,400
My last question, I guess, I also just, again, coming as like a parent, I want parents in

2463
04:12:23,400 --> 04:12:28,000
the community to really understand the reason behind this.

2464
04:12:28,000 --> 04:12:32,280
And you've talked about those liability concerns, which are extremely important for us to consider

2465
04:12:32,280 --> 04:12:38,040
but I noted in the packet, there is, my understanding is there's an existing appeals process.

2466
04:12:38,040 --> 04:12:42,880
And so like if someone was seeking housing within a safety zone and then was denied because

2467
04:12:42,880 --> 04:12:46,080
it's within a safety zone, they could appeal and it could be reviewed on a case-by-case

2468
04:12:46,080 --> 04:12:47,080
basis.

2469
04:12:47,080 --> 04:12:51,080
And so someone might look at this and say, well, if we have that appeals process in place,

2470
04:12:51,080 --> 04:12:52,920
then why do we need to change the ordinance?

2471
04:12:52,920 --> 04:12:57,240
And so I was wondering, I know we don't have a lot of historical data into forest because

2472
04:12:57,240 --> 04:13:01,880
even the 1,000 foot safety zone hasn't been in place that long, but just generally with

2473
04:13:01,880 --> 04:13:07,440
your knowledge over the course of your career of these appeals process, are you like, what's

2474
04:13:07,440 --> 04:13:10,120
your knowledge of those appeals generally, I guess?

2475
04:13:10,120 --> 04:13:13,120
And like, can you just speak to that question that people might have?

2476
04:13:13,120 --> 04:13:14,120
Sure.

2477
04:13:14,120 --> 04:13:15,120
Yep.

2478
04:13:15,120 --> 04:13:18,440
I'm aware of some appeals that happened in my previous department and I can tell you that

2479
04:13:18,440 --> 04:13:24,240
in appeals, nobody really wins because they've got to be public hearings and then now you're

2480
04:13:24,240 --> 04:13:27,720
basically airing everything to neighbors.

2481
04:13:27,720 --> 04:13:34,880
I would say for the forest specifically, our public safety commission is very balanced

2482
04:13:34,880 --> 04:13:37,280
and pretty reasonable.

2483
04:13:37,280 --> 04:13:42,320
There's none of the people on that commission and two of them are sitting next to you, would

2484
04:13:42,320 --> 04:13:46,900
allow somebody to move in next to a park, right, even on a thing, but you have to publicly

2485
04:13:46,900 --> 04:13:47,900
notice everything.

2486
04:13:47,900 --> 04:13:52,120
So you're basically opening up a story to an entire neighborhood.

2487
04:13:52,120 --> 04:13:59,160
I can also say that people that are convicted and placed on the sex offender list, while

2488
04:13:59,160 --> 04:14:05,840
absolutely 100%, it's not a light sentence to make somebody an RSO.

2489
04:14:05,840 --> 04:14:12,360
There are some that are for offenses that you would think, you know, underage sex, for

2490
04:14:12,360 --> 04:14:17,720
example, you're two people in high school and it's all prosecuted by parents.

2491
04:14:17,720 --> 04:14:22,160
So it could be a consensual act, but not consensual by age, can get you on the registered

2492
04:14:22,160 --> 04:14:23,840
sex offender list.

2493
04:14:23,840 --> 04:14:25,960
There's a lot of different reasons.

2494
04:14:25,960 --> 04:14:31,720
There's a different process if somebody would always refer to them as 90s or they are violent

2495
04:14:31,720 --> 04:14:36,360
sex offenders, somebody like you think of a home invasion, sexual assault type case,

2496
04:14:36,360 --> 04:14:38,400
that is a special circumstance.

2497
04:14:38,400 --> 04:14:43,080
If DOC was going to try to play somebody in the village of the forest, they have to legally

2498
04:14:43,080 --> 04:14:45,800
notify me and they have to have a public hearing.

2499
04:14:45,800 --> 04:14:48,320
So that's not what we're talking about in this process.

2500
04:14:48,320 --> 04:14:53,560
I just want to make sure you understand the delineation because it gets very convoluted.

2501
04:14:53,560 --> 04:15:01,160
But as far as appeals go, I'm aware of some, they generally aren't pretty and they sometimes

2502
04:15:01,160 --> 04:15:02,160
lead to lawsuits.

2503
04:15:02,160 --> 04:15:05,320
And again, I know we're not going to get rid of lawsuits totally.

2504
04:15:05,320 --> 04:15:11,000
It's not everyone I'm trying to say, but I think if we have a balanced ordinance that

2505
04:15:11,000 --> 04:15:15,120
meets the needs of what it's designed for, creating a safety zone.

2506
04:15:15,120 --> 04:15:20,880
But at the same time, allows opportunity.

2507
04:15:20,880 --> 04:15:24,600
There is that equal protection on both sides of the thing that we have to look at.

2508
04:15:24,600 --> 04:15:27,680
Our department gets notified of sex offenders placed in the community.

2509
04:15:27,680 --> 04:15:32,320
I have my investigative sergeant is detailed, the keeping track of all that, making sure

2510
04:15:32,320 --> 04:15:33,800
staff is aware.

2511
04:15:33,800 --> 04:15:37,480
There's other things that happen around like Halloween that they can't participate in,

2512
04:15:37,480 --> 04:15:40,600
so we monitor that as well.

2513
04:15:40,600 --> 04:15:42,800
That answered your question probably way too long.

2514
04:15:42,800 --> 04:15:43,800
It does.

2515
04:15:43,800 --> 04:15:52,600
I appreciate the length of that though, thank you and the detail.

2516
04:15:52,600 --> 04:15:54,080
So thank you for the map.

2517
04:15:54,080 --> 04:15:58,600
I wonder if you could pull one of those up because I think my question can be demonstrated.

2518
04:15:58,600 --> 04:16:01,760
I'm just about any of them with, uh, do you always kind?

2519
04:16:01,760 --> 04:16:02,760
Yeah.

2520
04:16:02,760 --> 04:16:10,160
Looks like if you go, go to the 750 rather than the 1000 in like this one.

2521
04:16:10,160 --> 04:16:15,720
Not the best example, but I want to say in the ordinance, it talks about conservancy

2522
04:16:15,720 --> 04:16:19,800
to conservancy places, space.

2523
04:16:19,800 --> 04:16:20,800
Yeah.

2524
04:16:20,800 --> 04:16:21,800
Right.

2525
04:16:21,800 --> 04:16:24,240
So I'm trying to see where we are.

2526
04:16:24,240 --> 04:16:31,880
So to me, the stormwater basins are often zone conservancy.

2527
04:16:31,880 --> 04:16:40,120
So to me, by zoning review, that would say we'd have to put the 750 on those two, especially

2528
04:16:40,120 --> 04:16:47,360
like the, the conservancy or the, the trail, the conservancy along the, your hair river.

2529
04:16:47,360 --> 04:16:54,040
So if we're putting like 750 on those long corridor type conservancies, we are taking

2530
04:16:54,040 --> 04:17:01,560
out large swaths of land, which in the personal view, I don't know if I really care.

2531
04:17:01,560 --> 04:17:08,200
I'll say because there is that like Melanie brought up, there's the appeal process, but

2532
04:17:08,200 --> 04:17:13,840
for a liability concern, I think we sort of want to look at those maps because are

2533
04:17:13,840 --> 04:17:19,840
we precluding pretty much 98% of our ability when we start including those conservancy

2534
04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:20,840
lands?

2535
04:17:20,840 --> 04:17:28,400
Yeah, we did look at that, um, and I can say that I even had 750 with the conservancy

2536
04:17:28,400 --> 04:17:34,400
lands included, if still, in my opinion, ample housing available.

2537
04:17:34,400 --> 04:17:38,800
This, whatever the board decides that I, that I'll work with Greg to get more of a

2538
04:17:38,800 --> 04:17:42,920
permanent map created that we can have available for reference.

2539
04:17:42,920 --> 04:17:43,920
Okay.

2540
04:17:43,920 --> 04:17:49,520
Again, I'm just concerned that when we include the conservancy, I want to, I want to make

2541
04:17:49,520 --> 04:17:56,760
sure that we just don't say drop the conservancy because I would be okay for a lower border

2542
04:17:56,760 --> 04:18:04,600
on a conservancy, say 250 or something, if it need be, if it was needed for the liability

2543
04:18:04,600 --> 04:18:05,600
concern.

2544
04:18:05,600 --> 04:18:08,720
I guess that's why I bring it up.

2545
04:18:08,720 --> 04:18:16,000
If you are okay with the 750 for the conservancy, I'll lean to your expertise and thank you.

2546
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:17,000
Yeah.

2547
04:18:17,000 --> 04:18:18,000
I'm comfortable.

2548
04:18:18,000 --> 04:18:23,760
I think probably the best example to look at is Yohara because you have western greens.

2549
04:18:23,760 --> 04:18:27,720
So this would expand up on the bottom of the screen.

2550
04:18:27,720 --> 04:18:32,000
Unfortunately, the screenshot I have isn't the best, but on the bottom, it would expand

2551
04:18:32,000 --> 04:18:34,840
up just because the conservants land there.

2552
04:18:34,840 --> 04:18:38,720
But you can still see there's ample housing around in the north of that.

2553
04:18:38,720 --> 04:18:45,040
Wouldn't you also include the land that is the ponds north of Lexington Parkway, as I

2554
04:18:45,040 --> 04:18:48,120
think again is conservancy?

2555
04:18:48,120 --> 04:18:52,040
I'm going to have to work with Greg to really look at and get the map really defined in

2556
04:18:52,040 --> 04:18:53,040
detail.

2557
04:18:54,040 --> 04:18:56,040
Thank you.

2558
04:18:56,040 --> 04:18:57,040
Okay.

2559
04:18:57,040 --> 04:19:04,040
Do I have a motion to approve 2026 009?

2560
04:19:04,040 --> 04:19:06,040
Motion to approve.

2561
04:19:06,040 --> 04:19:07,040
Motion by Brad.

2562
04:19:07,040 --> 04:19:08,040
Second.

2563
04:19:08,040 --> 04:19:10,040
Seconded by Dan.

2564
04:19:10,040 --> 04:19:11,040
Discussion.

2565
04:19:11,040 --> 04:19:13,040
It's been done.

2566
04:19:13,040 --> 04:19:17,040
I do believe all those in favor indicate by saying aye.

2567
04:19:17,040 --> 04:19:18,040
Aye.

2568
04:19:18,040 --> 04:19:20,040
All those opposed?

2569
04:19:20,040 --> 04:19:21,040
No.

2570
04:19:21,040 --> 04:19:25,040
That carries unanimously.

2571
04:19:25,040 --> 04:19:27,040
Convene into closed session.

2572
04:19:27,040 --> 04:19:30,040
Thank you, Chief.

2573
04:19:30,040 --> 04:19:35,040
Resolution 2026063, resolution determining the claim of Tyler Catsey.

2574
04:19:35,040 --> 04:19:40,960
Village Board may convene into closed session as authorized by Wisconsin statute, 19.85

2575
04:19:40,960 --> 04:19:46,400
parent 1 parent G, inferring with legal counsel for the governmental body who was rendering

2576
04:19:46,400 --> 04:19:49,480
oral or written advice concerning strategy.

2577
04:19:49,480 --> 04:19:54,200
To be adopted by the body with respect to litigation in which it is or is likely to

2578
04:19:54,200 --> 04:19:55,200
become involved.

2579
04:19:55,200 --> 04:20:00,160
Village Board may reconvene in open session and further discuss or take action on the

2580
04:20:00,160 --> 04:20:05,200
subject matter disgusting closed session session.

2581
04:20:05,200 --> 04:20:08,480
Staff presentation, bill Chang.

2582
04:20:08,480 --> 04:20:09,480
Yeah.

2583
04:20:09,480 --> 04:20:14,560
So this claim has been brought by Mr. Catsey.

2584
04:20:14,560 --> 04:20:24,920
There was a sanitary sewer backup and the sewer then obviously caused damage within

2585
04:20:24,920 --> 04:20:28,120
the property itself.

2586
04:20:28,120 --> 04:20:35,640
We Mr. Catsey filed a claim or initially informed us of the damages and we filed that

2587
04:20:35,640 --> 04:20:42,200
with our insurance carrier that insurance carrier did conduct this due diligence and

2588
04:20:42,200 --> 04:20:49,880
as you can see, has found that the village has immunity here.

2589
04:20:49,880 --> 04:20:56,800
And so is recommending that we disallow Mr. Catsey's claim.

2590
04:20:56,800 --> 04:21:01,400
If there's questions about what that process is, they all can answer what the disallowance

2591
04:21:01,400 --> 04:21:06,800
process is and the statutory parameters.

2592
04:21:06,800 --> 04:21:15,160
If you are seeking legal advice asked to villages liability, et cetera, I would recommend

2593
04:21:15,160 --> 04:21:25,800
that we move it in full session before that part.

2594
04:21:25,800 --> 04:21:32,000
We have no public appearances on this.

2595
04:21:32,000 --> 04:21:35,000
The insurance company says to disallow the claim.

2596
04:21:35,000 --> 04:21:39,280
I guess that's pretty standard stuff.

2597
04:21:39,280 --> 04:21:43,120
We need to go into full session for that.

2598
04:21:43,120 --> 04:21:48,360
Anybody need any more details beyond that?

2599
04:21:48,360 --> 04:21:52,360
We want that better.

2600
04:21:52,360 --> 04:21:53,360
Yeah.

2601
04:21:53,360 --> 04:21:55,200
I guess I just don't know what to think.

2602
04:21:55,200 --> 04:22:00,920
I know I when I lived in Madison, I had suitors back up and I just accept that as a stormwater

2603
04:22:00,920 --> 04:22:04,360
thing that happened and we put in a check valve.

2604
04:22:04,360 --> 04:22:13,080
So I can see the point that I can maybe go either way, so I don't know if I'm questioning

2605
04:22:13,080 --> 04:22:24,120
the legality or if I'm questioning if we should pay them or not.

2606
04:22:24,120 --> 04:22:25,120
Speak.

2607
04:22:25,120 --> 04:22:29,720
I can only answer from a legal standpoint.

2608
04:22:29,720 --> 04:22:36,520
Just want to start with just disabusing people of a common misunderstanding and that

2609
04:22:36,520 --> 04:22:42,440
is whenever something bad happens to somebody else is responsible for it, somebody's got

2610
04:22:42,440 --> 04:22:45,320
to pay for it.

2611
04:22:45,320 --> 04:22:48,120
Liability in this case would be based on negligence.

2612
04:22:48,120 --> 04:22:51,840
It was the village negligent in maintaining its sewer system.

2613
04:22:51,840 --> 04:22:57,040
Based on the investigation and I am not investigating with myself, the insurance company was handling

2614
04:22:57,040 --> 04:22:58,040
it.

2615
04:22:58,120 --> 04:23:03,200
I came up with no indication and I'm not aware of any that the village had any way of knowing

2616
04:23:03,200 --> 04:23:07,200
that there was going to be this backup prior to it occurring.

2617
04:23:07,200 --> 04:23:15,840
Given that they find no basis for liability at neither do I.

2618
04:23:15,840 --> 04:23:21,840
I can comment.

2619
04:23:21,840 --> 04:23:29,080
Related to sewer backup, our insurance carrier does carry a policy to cover sewer backup

2620
04:23:29,080 --> 04:23:35,440
for our residents comes at an additional cost, maybe a discussion for a budget time, but

2621
04:23:35,440 --> 04:23:41,000
relates to a job your time had done, who's that volunteer?

2622
04:23:41,000 --> 04:23:42,800
I'll just speak to my history.

2623
04:23:42,800 --> 04:23:47,600
When it backed up, I was upset about it, but lucky for me, I knew that there was always

2624
04:23:47,600 --> 04:23:51,200
a stormwater issue, so I didn't put anything down there.

2625
04:23:51,200 --> 04:23:54,400
It's different when the sewer backs up.

2626
04:23:54,400 --> 04:23:59,160
We put in the check valve, but it knocked out, say, a washer and what I learned that

2627
04:23:59,160 --> 04:24:02,880
you really should have not just protection from storm.

2628
04:24:02,880 --> 04:24:08,800
I guess I should ask the insurance person, you need to have a protection for the sewer

2629
04:24:08,800 --> 04:24:12,600
backing up and it was like a $5 ad for the year.

2630
04:24:12,600 --> 04:24:16,240
It's like, well, why didn't you tell me that?

2631
04:24:16,240 --> 04:24:22,160
I can see the liabilities maybe at the individual for not covering himself for that, but I also

2632
04:24:22,160 --> 04:24:30,840
feel that it is something that happened in our sewer, and if it was me, I'd want some

2633
04:24:30,840 --> 04:24:32,440
portion of it.

2634
04:24:32,440 --> 04:24:39,040
I personally feel that's fair, but it's not necessarily going to the liability of it, maybe

2635
04:24:39,040 --> 04:24:41,040
more of a policy.

2636
04:24:41,040 --> 04:24:45,720
I do want to make clear that if you decide to pay this person money, it's going to be

2637
04:24:45,720 --> 04:24:50,440
your money, not your insurance company's money, whereas if he soothes you and wins,

2638
04:24:50,440 --> 04:24:53,280
then the insurance company would cover it.

2639
04:24:53,280 --> 04:24:58,840
What was the dollar amount of this that he's asking for?

2640
04:24:58,840 --> 04:25:04,440
How approximately $23,000?

2641
04:25:04,440 --> 04:25:14,360
Yeah, I sell the water backup coverage on all my homeowners' policies.

2642
04:25:14,360 --> 04:25:25,640
Well, do we want to go in the closed?

2643
04:25:25,640 --> 04:25:28,280
Do we have to go in the closed?

2644
04:25:28,280 --> 04:25:31,280
I don't think so.

2645
04:25:31,280 --> 04:25:35,520
I'll agree, do we not go in the closed?

2646
04:25:35,520 --> 04:25:36,520
Okay.

2647
04:25:36,520 --> 04:25:46,440
I'll just offer that the month on the resolutions as April, instead of May.

2648
04:25:46,440 --> 04:25:49,480
Still awake.

2649
04:25:49,480 --> 04:25:53,400
I was just going to say that.

2650
04:25:53,400 --> 04:25:56,480
Yeah, that's true.

2651
04:25:56,480 --> 04:26:03,720
Okay, so we're not convening into closed session.

2652
04:26:03,720 --> 04:26:07,240
Therefore, we are not reconvening into open session.

2653
04:26:07,240 --> 04:26:12,840
So possible action regarding resolution 2026 063, a resolution determining the claim of

2654
04:26:12,840 --> 04:26:17,560
Tyler Catsey.

2655
04:26:17,560 --> 04:26:23,000
Determining the claim, you want us to say we make a motion to deny the claim?

2656
04:26:23,000 --> 04:26:25,080
Pardon me?

2657
04:26:25,080 --> 04:26:26,880
Just allow the claim.

2658
04:26:26,880 --> 04:26:32,080
All right, I will make a motion 2026 063.

2659
04:26:32,080 --> 04:26:35,320
Just allowing the claim of Tyler Catsey.

2660
04:26:35,320 --> 04:26:39,080
Is there a second?

2661
04:26:39,080 --> 04:26:51,200
A second.

2662
04:26:51,200 --> 04:26:52,200
Seconded violation.

2663
04:26:52,200 --> 04:26:55,640
Is there any more discussion?

2664
04:26:55,640 --> 04:27:10,360
I'll make a quite a discussion where we have this resolution, just allowing the claim that

2665
04:27:10,360 --> 04:27:18,840
would still leave the individual opportunity to ask for us to pay something.

2666
04:27:18,840 --> 04:27:26,680
I'm not saying we would, but that still gives them opportunity outside of the claim.

2667
04:27:26,680 --> 04:27:29,720
He can ask me, he has that.

2668
04:27:29,720 --> 04:27:34,400
That's what this is, but he could ask again if you wanted to.

2669
04:27:34,400 --> 04:27:38,960
So we're good with the wording the way this says, do I need to change something?

2670
04:27:38,960 --> 04:27:39,960
Okay.

2671
04:27:39,960 --> 04:27:45,800
All those in favor of disallowing the claim under resolution 2026 063 indicate by saying

2672
04:27:45,800 --> 04:27:46,800
aye.

2673
04:27:46,800 --> 04:27:47,800
Aye.

2674
04:27:47,800 --> 04:27:49,800
All those opposed?

2675
04:27:49,800 --> 04:27:50,800
No.

2676
04:27:50,800 --> 04:27:52,560
Motion carries unanimously.

2677
04:27:52,560 --> 04:27:55,080
The claim is disallowed.

2678
04:27:55,080 --> 04:27:57,480
Check my disturbance in your packet.

2679
04:27:57,480 --> 04:28:01,920
Committee Commission Board reports update the Forest Area Library.

2680
04:28:01,920 --> 04:28:07,280
Who's that?

2681
04:28:07,280 --> 04:28:10,920
I don't think we have any important updates.

2682
04:28:10,920 --> 04:28:11,920
Okay.

2683
04:28:12,560 --> 04:28:15,400
Public Safety Commission, that's me.

2684
04:28:15,400 --> 04:28:19,880
We pretty much just discussed our 750 foot range there.

2685
04:28:19,880 --> 04:28:23,560
The Forest Area Community and Senior Center.

2686
04:28:23,560 --> 04:28:25,520
No important updates.

2687
04:28:25,520 --> 04:28:28,520
Community Development Authority.

2688
04:28:28,520 --> 04:28:32,000
Nothing?

2689
04:28:32,000 --> 04:28:40,000
We extended a loan agreement for the forthcoming pizza place.

2690
04:28:40,000 --> 04:28:43,160
Opening and zoning commission.

2691
04:28:43,160 --> 04:28:47,640
I have circles on my planning and zoning commission, so I think I already reported on it.

2692
04:28:47,640 --> 04:28:50,120
So I'd say there's been no new meetings.

2693
04:28:50,120 --> 04:28:52,640
Public Services Committee.

2694
04:28:52,640 --> 04:28:59,560
You saw tonight the mountain bike trail information and the renaming of the park to River Bend

2695
04:28:59,560 --> 04:29:00,560
Park.

2696
04:29:00,560 --> 04:29:06,320
The Forest Windsor Fire and EMS, so I had the groundbreaking for the second station.

2697
04:29:07,320 --> 04:29:11,880
We have a meeting, I don't know what I'm doing 11th.

2698
04:29:11,880 --> 04:29:16,440
Committee Commission Board reports in your packet, President's report, President doesn't

2699
04:29:16,440 --> 04:29:21,160
have one in county cities and villages update.

2700
04:29:21,160 --> 04:29:24,120
I think Bill already hit that earlier today.

2701
04:29:24,120 --> 04:29:27,240
Nope, don't want it again.

2702
04:29:27,240 --> 04:29:31,480
Any other business that lawfully comes before the board?

2703
04:29:31,480 --> 04:29:32,480
Next up is adjournment.

2704
04:29:32,480 --> 04:29:33,480
Is there a motion?

2705
04:29:33,480 --> 04:29:34,480
Motion or adjourned?

2706
04:29:34,480 --> 04:29:36,280
Motion by Brad, is there a second?

2707
04:29:37,200 --> 04:29:39,200
Seconded by Alicia.

2708
04:29:39,200 --> 04:29:41,040
All those in favor indicate by saying aye.

2709
04:29:41,040 --> 04:29:42,040
Aye.

2710
04:29:42,040 --> 04:29:43,040
All those opposed?

2711
04:29:43,040 --> 04:29:44,040
No.

2712
04:29:44,040 --> 04:29:45,200
Motion carries unanimously.

2713
04:29:45,200 --> 04:29:48,600
We are adjourned at 951 PM.