1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 You 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 You 3 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 You 4 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 You 5 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 You 6 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 You 7 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 You 8 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 You 9 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 You 10 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 You 11 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 You 12 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 You 13 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 You 14 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 You 15 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 You 16 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 You 17 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 You 18 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 You 19 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000 You 20 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 You 21 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 You 22 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 You 23 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 You 24 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 You 25 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,000 You 26 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 You 27 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 . 28 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 . 29 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 . 30 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,140 . 31 00:13:05,140 --> 00:13:09,140 . 32 00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:17,580 . 33 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:18,080 . 34 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,080 . 35 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,080 . 36 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,060 . 37 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:22,120 . 38 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,960 . 39 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,620 . 40 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:25,640 . 41 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,260 . 42 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:32,300 to the flag of the United States of America 43 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,900 and to the republic for Christ's hands, 44 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,260 one nation of the God, 45 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:40,260 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 46 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:50,860 All right, the next item is public comment 47 00:13:50,860 --> 00:13:54,780 and I just want to inform those here. 48 00:13:55,940 --> 00:13:57,980 This is public comment for anything 49 00:13:57,980 --> 00:13:59,420 that you wish to talk about. 50 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:00,860 I know that there's a number of people 51 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:03,180 that are signed up for public comment 52 00:14:03,180 --> 00:14:06,100 as it relates to the public hearing. 53 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:11,100 The ZMA 26-02 will hear from you at the time 54 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:15,140 that that business is in front of the board, 55 00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:18,660 which is a little further into our program here tonight. 56 00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:21,500 Signed up for public hearing on anything 57 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:23,420 is Rachel Kirschner. 58 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:26,460 If you could bring yourself up 59 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,980 and share your thoughts, name and address, please. 60 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:32,180 All right, good evening. 61 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:33,980 My name is Rachel Kirschner. 62 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:38,540 I live at 2613 136 Avenue in the town of Paris. 63 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:40,480 I'm here tonight because Mount Pleasant 64 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,860 has forgotten what it means to be a good neighbor. 65 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:45,500 Good neighbors don't approve massive industrial projects 66 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:46,820 that affect surrounding communities 67 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:48,660 like Surtivin and Summers. 68 00:14:48,660 --> 00:14:51,220 And then expect everyone else to live 69 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:52,700 with the consequences. 70 00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:56,020 The Microsoft Data Center Campus is unlike anything 71 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:57,780 this area has ever seen. 72 00:14:57,780 --> 00:14:59,020 Residents have raised concerns 73 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:00,780 about noise and equality of life. 74 00:15:00,780 --> 00:15:03,260 I have personally experienced sensations in ear popping 75 00:15:03,260 --> 00:15:06,020 while driving by the facility on Saturday. 76 00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:07,420 The facility needs to be shut down 77 00:15:07,420 --> 00:15:10,420 until this infrasound sound is fixed. 78 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:13,820 If it hasn't been shut down yet, this is not acceptable. 79 00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:14,740 And guess what? 80 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:18,620 You're not only affecting Summers and Surtivin residents. 81 00:15:18,620 --> 00:15:21,500 You're also affecting Paris, Kenosha, 82 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,500 Union Grove and Summers again. 83 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:28,500 In fact, the entire Milwaukee, Chicago corridor, 84 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,660 Red Oak owned by Anavir G, 85 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:34,980 wants to build a massive 1.2 gigabyte 86 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:37,900 gigawatt natural gas plant 87 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,900 to support Microsoft data centers in the town of Paris. 88 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:42,500 That's why I'm here. 89 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:45,100 That should concern everyone in this room. 90 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,780 You're going to all breathe this polluted air 91 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:51,500 because Microsoft wants and needs a lot of electricity to run. 92 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:55,100 One industrial project leads to another. 93 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:58,300 First comes the data center, then comes the gas plant, 94 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:00,900 then comes more transmission infrastructure, 95 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:04,100 more industrialization, more noise, more impacts 96 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:05,900 on neighboring communities. 97 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,500 At what point do you say enough is enough? 98 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:11,500 You call this economic development. 99 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:14,500 Many of us see it as sacrificing our communities. 100 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:16,900 So one of the world's richest corporations 101 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,500 can continue expanding. 102 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:23,900 Mount Pleasant may receive the tax revenue, 103 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:27,660 but your neighbors are being asked to accept its impacts. 104 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:30,260 That is not being a good neighbor. 105 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:33,900 People deserve leaders willing to protect residents 106 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:35,820 and neighbors just as strong as they 107 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:38,020 protect corporate investments. 108 00:16:38,020 --> 00:16:40,380 Please stop treating neighboring communities 109 00:16:40,380 --> 00:16:43,420 as acceptable collateral damage for your pursuit 110 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:45,540 for the next billion dollar project. 111 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:48,780 It's time to put people first before profits. 112 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:52,540 So in everything, do others what you would do, 113 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:54,140 have them do to you. 114 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:55,140 Thank you. 115 00:16:58,380 --> 00:16:59,580 Anybody else? 116 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:01,580 Public comment? 117 00:17:01,580 --> 00:17:03,300 OK, not hearing from anybody. 118 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,220 We'll close public comment and we'll move on 119 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:07,220 to the concerned agenda. 120 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:12,860 Mr. President, I make a motion to approve the items 121 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:16,100 and consent agenda excluding item number six, 122 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:18,860 assignment of municipal revenue obligation 123 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:22,100 bond pursuant to 10 number two development agreements. 124 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:27,220 Second. 125 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:28,500 Motion and second. 126 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,500 All favor signify by saying aye. 127 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:31,180 Aye. 128 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,900 Opposed? 129 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:34,900 Then that matter passes. 130 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:38,620 Mr. President, I just need to make a note to the clerk. 131 00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:43,420 I need to recuse myself from item F1 on the consent agenda. 132 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:44,500 I wasn't president to me. 133 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:47,100 Thank you. 134 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:48,100 Good? 135 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:49,100 OK. 136 00:17:49,100 --> 00:18:08,500 So under new business, we have ordinance number seven dash 2026, 137 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:11,860 which is brown road, oak road, comprehensive plan agreement, 138 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:22,540 CPA26-1, public hearing regarding ordinance seven dash 2026. 139 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:30,180 So regarding public hearings, following a brief presentation 140 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:32,820 by staff, I'll open the public hearing. 141 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:35,700 If you wish to speak, please fill out a public hearing 142 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:38,940 form, which is on the table near the entrance. 143 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:42,140 Once recognized, speakers should come to the podium 144 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,460 and identify themselves with their name and address. 145 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:47,340 Please speak clearly into the microphone. 146 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:50,820 Speakers must direct all discussions towards the board. 147 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:53,740 I will not allow interchange between members of the audience 148 00:18:53,740 --> 00:18:55,060 and the petitioner. 149 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:58,100 We request that you not interfere with, nor interject 150 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,300 comments while another person has the floor. 151 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:05,660 This is to ensure respectful and orderly process. 152 00:19:05,660 --> 00:19:08,100 Please keep all comments on the particular item 153 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:11,420 before the board, and at most five minutes. 154 00:19:11,420 --> 00:19:14,500 Finally, to ensure a focused and productive hearing, 155 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,540 please turn off or mute all electronic devices. 156 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:23,620 Thank you, Mr. President. 157 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:29,580 So this is a complaint amendment for the brown road and Oaks 158 00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:32,700 Road, the future Oaks Road connection. 159 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,820 First off, I would like to kind of preemptively apologize 160 00:19:36,820 --> 00:19:40,820 for my rather crude visualization there. 161 00:19:40,820 --> 00:19:44,340 This is why I'm a planner and not an engineer. 162 00:19:44,340 --> 00:19:46,660 But it is a fairly accurate representation 163 00:19:46,660 --> 00:19:49,300 of what the different developments are, 164 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,100 and stacking the plats on top of each other 165 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:52,860 would look even more confusing. 166 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:58,380 So this is basically an amendment 167 00:19:58,380 --> 00:20:01,380 to the transportation element of the multi-jurisdictional 168 00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:04,100 compliance, so it doesn't touch land use or anything 169 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:04,940 like that. 170 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:07,340 The applicant wishes to reconfigure the roadways 171 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:10,060 to match their future preliminary plan, 172 00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:15,060 so that is the bare development on the left side 173 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:18,660 of the map, which is at the bottom of it is the circle. 174 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:20,620 Furthermore, the comprehensive plan update 175 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:24,900 will delete unneeded connections, such as a bridge 176 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:29,660 across the Pike River that are no longer feasible. 177 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:32,860 It will also incorporate the Villages Brown Road 178 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:37,940 reconstruction project with a roundabout at Brown and Oaks 179 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:41,380 Road, an indication that there will not 180 00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:45,740 be sidewalk on a portion of the north side of Brown Road, 181 00:20:45,740 --> 00:20:48,540 as discussed in the village board. 182 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:50,460 And establishing this in the comp plan 183 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:56,620 kind of enshrines that as you guys' recommendation, 184 00:20:56,620 --> 00:21:01,780 as well as it also incorporates a proposed road layout 185 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:06,780 for the Cardinal Capital development, which 186 00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:12,420 is two parcels over, and one that aligns with the road network 187 00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:15,780 as it comes out of the bare development one. 188 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:19,780 So this is basically a transportation element 189 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:23,460 that matches all of those together so they play nice. 190 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:25,660 It is very hard to see from back here, 191 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:28,740 but I do have a yellow box around the intersection 192 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:33,300 of Brown Road and what would be the Cardinal Capital 193 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:34,220 development. 194 00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:36,700 That is development and TIA, which 195 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:40,700 is a traffic impact analysis dependent intersection. 196 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:44,100 So what they would recommend depends on both the developer 197 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,380 and the TIA. 198 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:50,340 Right now, the only TIA we have is for the Brown Road 199 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:53,460 development, and it assumes a connection of Biscayne 200 00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:59,220 Avenue, which is probably not likely for a very long time. 201 00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:06,580 So with that being said, that is the essential of it, 202 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:08,780 is that it would be adopting this, 203 00:22:08,780 --> 00:22:12,300 as well as the Villages Brown Road Reconstruction Project 204 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:15,260 plan, which includes a multi-use transportation bike 205 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:19,740 path on the south side and known sidewalk on the north side, 206 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:21,940 as well as adopting these plans as approved. 207 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:27,300 There's also significant portions that remain the same, 208 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:31,020 such as the Yates Road extension and connection, 209 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:35,420 and the Biscayne connection that goes across the development. 210 00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:39,980 Those are consistent among the current transportation 211 00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:41,700 plan and the future one. 212 00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:47,340 One other clarification. 213 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:49,460 The address for this is 5-7-1-4. 214 00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:51,300 So I got some interesting comments 215 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,700 thinking that it was for the other side of Brown. 216 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:55,860 No, it's for the one that's closest to Pike River. 217 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:04,100 OK. 218 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:15,980 So regarding ordinance 7-2026 and CPA 26-1, 219 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,020 I don't know that I have anybody signed up for this, 220 00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:21,500 but I have to open the public hearing relative to that. 221 00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:35,140 Those that I have signed up are for ZMA-226. 222 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:36,980 That would be what, for Emerson? 223 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:37,460 Yes. 224 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:38,980 Yeah. 225 00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:40,340 I've got one for this. 226 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:44,340 Awesome. 227 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:50,740 I've got somebody signed up for CPA 26-2. 228 00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:51,620 That's the next one. 229 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:52,940 Yeah, Emerson. 230 00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:54,940 Just turn that in. 231 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:55,940 OK. 232 00:24:00,580 --> 00:24:01,260 Yeah. 233 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:02,340 Can we hear from Matt? 234 00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:03,340 Matt Kramer. 235 00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:09,180 Matt Kramer, 7202 Brown Road. 236 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:12,460 We are at the property, as Robin puts it, 237 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:15,060 who is in the path of three roadways 238 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:18,420 to play nice between the two developments. 239 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:22,340 And I just want to share with everybody. 240 00:24:22,340 --> 00:24:26,540 You all probably already know that we weren't consulted 241 00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:29,980 at all in regards to this plan. 242 00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:34,500 The village puts a plan together that puts roadways 243 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:39,740 across our family's farm with no input from us. 244 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:47,020 So consider the fairness, consider the cooperation, 245 00:24:47,020 --> 00:24:50,940 and the lack of servitude from our local government 246 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:53,060 in doing so. 247 00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:57,500 It's not very American. 248 00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:01,100 It doesn't stand for our values very well, in my opinion, 249 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:06,260 to put a plan together, incorporating someone else's 250 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:10,780 private property, and give them no input on what's 251 00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:12,740 going to be done with that property. 252 00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:13,340 That's all I got. 253 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,180 Anybody else? 254 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:26,420 Nobody else signed up for that particular one. 255 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:29,620 So that being the case, we'll close public comment 256 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:31,140 regarding that. 257 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:33,340 And is there a motion? 258 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:38,860 Oh, no motion necessary. 259 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:43,140 This and other comp plans will go to next. 260 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:47,420 They go to plan commission to be where a recommendation is 261 00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:49,420 drafted, a resolution is drafted, which 262 00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:51,980 comes back to the village board for an ordinance approval. 263 00:25:52,740 --> 00:26:00,740 OK, so we'll close the public hearing on that. 264 00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:03,780 We'll go to the next public hearing, 265 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:08,820 which is ordinance 8-2026, 630 Emerson Road, 266 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:14,820 comp plan amendment, CPA 26-2. 267 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:23,140 Again, I need to hear from staff on that, 268 00:26:23,140 --> 00:26:25,940 and then we'll go back to the public hearing. 269 00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:26,940 Robin. 270 00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:28,780 OK. 271 00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:33,780 So I'm going to just see it a little bit. 272 00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:35,700 So the action is lined in the village 273 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,100 and the part of the transportation element of multi-year 274 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,100 to build a complex accounting. 275 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,860 That's input is the reason that you're 276 00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:44,580 growing the match to be. 277 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:46,380 Are you mic'd up? 278 00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:48,740 I am not mic'd up. 279 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:51,460 Sometimes it's hard to tell because I'm just kind of loud. 280 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,580 So thank you. 281 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:57,660 So this is ordinance 8-2026 for 630 Emerson Road 282 00:26:57,660 --> 00:26:59,020 comp plan amendment. 283 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:02,940 The applicant applied to amend the transportation element. 284 00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:05,180 The applicant wishes to reconfigure the road's ways 285 00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:10,220 to match the lineage's state's preliminary plat, PSP 26-1, 286 00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:14,260 and also specify which roads which would provide access 287 00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:17,300 to Emerson Road. 288 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,580 The village staff has requested an added additional neighboring 289 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:23,820 amendments to this application to remove some 290 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:26,100 of the neighboring proposed roadways 291 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:29,460 to reflect their final location. 292 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:33,740 So in particular, this one had two connections, 293 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:37,660 both one east and one west that went through houses. 294 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:41,380 It was a very old plat plan that was proposed. 295 00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:46,700 This one also solidifies that the connection to Emerson 296 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:50,260 would be to the south through Kinsey. 297 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:53,140 And at the plan commission, we discussed specifically 298 00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:57,700 whether or not to require that access further north, 299 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,500 giving the sort of property control issues. 300 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:06,380 There's also a connection to explore a drive 301 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:09,100 to the immediate south. 302 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,180 I have been contacted by a representative, the son-in-law, 303 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:14,740 of the owner of that property that 304 00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:18,540 says that she is interested in potentially selling 305 00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:21,180 the back half of that to ensure that connection 306 00:28:21,180 --> 00:28:22,220 in the future. 307 00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:26,020 So that eliminates one of the main issues 308 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:27,660 that we had when we were talking about this, 309 00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:30,780 but the fact that it was going to have only one connection 310 00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:33,340 and that's for a long time. 311 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:36,300 So the other one is just basically filling out portions 312 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,220 that already existed on our transportation plan, connecting 313 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:41,460 Kinsey to Emerson. 314 00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:44,580 The existing one had four connections in the stretch, 315 00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:45,580 and that was too much. 316 00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:49,060 So this complaint is just pretty much figuring out 317 00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,020 which ones to connect and how to do that. 318 00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:54,700 It also rounds out the connection to King's view 319 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,140 into sort of like a cul-de-sac that was essentially 320 00:28:58,140 --> 00:29:02,700 before an up and then a right angle. 321 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,060 All the roads here are basically development dependent. 322 00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:08,780 So it's under control of the property owner, 323 00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:10,500 whether or not that gets built. 324 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,260 It's just whenever a development comes in 325 00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:14,300 from that property owner, we have 326 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:16,740 something that's on paper saying that this is 327 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:20,340 what the public connections we would like to. 328 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:23,740 Certain localities, I could think of Brookfield 329 00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:26,300 has tried to impose roadway connections 330 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,580 that weren't on paper, and they lost that in court. 331 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:31,220 So we need to have them on paper 332 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:32,940 in order to ever ask them of anybody. 333 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:34,700 So that's why we do this. 334 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:37,620 And that is pretty much it. 335 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:39,700 This is just the transportation element. 336 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,620 It is not the zoning, which is a different public hearing. 337 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:50,300 Okay, so let's go to the public comment part of this. 338 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:53,460 Same rules apply five minutes. 339 00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:55,940 I've got Ben Barron signed up. 340 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:57,300 Mr. Barron. 341 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,300 If you'd like to come up, give us your thoughts. 342 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:06,300 Ben Barron, 720 son of you drive. 343 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,100 And I'd like to address the proposal 344 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:23,100 of the zoning amendment map ZMA-26-02, 345 00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:27,900 and along with it kind of ties together 346 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,820 in my mind with the comprehensive road map. 347 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:33,460 The concern that we have is not specifically 348 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:35,700 with the proposed subdivision, 349 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,140 but the current proposal has, 350 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:41,520 even they have an extending west from Emerson, 351 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,180 directly into explore drive, which ends at son of you. 352 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:51,060 This road would become a shortcut to sunny slope. 353 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:52,740 It'd be a lot more traffic. 354 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:56,260 It kind of ruined our quiet little area. 355 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:58,100 We have them all pleasant. 356 00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:01,500 And on a personal note, concern would be, 357 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,300 is that road would go directly into our property. 358 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:09,780 So I'm concerned it'd be a race way from Emerson, 359 00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:12,940 all the way right to my front yard. 360 00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:16,500 So we're kind of, we'd really encourage 361 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,940 a reconsideration on that road. 362 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:23,780 Could something be done either with altering Haven 363 00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:27,620 or altering explore just to alleviate that issue? 364 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:29,260 That's all I got. 365 00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:31,860 Thank you. 366 00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:35,020 Anybody else have signed up for this? 367 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:38,700 Okay. 368 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,020 I just wanted to add that the current 369 00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:44,260 that is like a good current proposed road. 370 00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:45,860 You want to make yourself back up again? 371 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:46,700 Okay, sorry. 372 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,900 That is a current, that is on the proposed road layer 373 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,340 as it is right now, and so that has been heard 374 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:57,140 and I'll take that forward, so thank you. 375 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:00,020 So that's the current one, it has that mapped on there. 376 00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:02,900 So it's probably from a long time ago, so thank you. 377 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:03,740 Okay. 378 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:07,980 There being nobody else wanting to speak on this, 379 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:10,620 we can close public comment on that, 380 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,580 and I don't need any motion on this one either then. 381 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:19,300 So let's move on to Ordnance 5-2026, 382 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:22,180 Zoning Map Amendment for Emerson Road, 383 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,180 and Green Valley Drive, ZMA. 384 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:32,420 26-2, back to Robin. 385 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:33,260 All right, thanks. 386 00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:34,260 I got under a lot of talking, 387 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:38,100 so I'm going to speed up this one to everybody's delight. 388 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:41,740 So this is ZMA-2602, this concerns the same parcel 389 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:46,300 of land for, that we just considered for the comp plan, 390 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:51,300 and it also matches the subdivision SPP-26001, 391 00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:52,980 linear to states. 392 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:56,660 The rezone is from AG1 Limited Agriculture to RL, 393 00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:58,660 which is low density residential, 394 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,180 and that matches with the comprehensive plan, 395 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:05,380 and it also matches with almost all of the properties 396 00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:06,300 around there. 397 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:11,300 So the, like pale banana yellow is AG1, I believe, 398 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,420 and the bright yellow is RL. 399 00:33:13,420 --> 00:33:17,700 So all the residential subdivisions are RL in this area, 400 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:20,740 until you get further down towards Kinsey, 401 00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:23,060 where they get a little bit more dense. 402 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:26,140 This is for 11.73 acres. 403 00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:30,820 This rezone proposal is accompanied by a subdivision plait, 404 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:32,300 and they are paired together, 405 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:36,620 because in order to get RL lots, you have to subdivide it. 406 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:41,620 That subdivision plait has 22 lots with duplex condos, 407 00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:44,660 much like the ones that are to the north. 408 00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:50,020 So this is consistent with the comp plan, 409 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:53,060 and that came out of our playing commission 410 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:56,100 as a recommendation for approval. 411 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,620 There was discussion kind of in tandem 412 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:03,940 with the subdivision plait about construction access 413 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:05,580 and access in general, 414 00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:09,340 but the zoning was non-controversial, 415 00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:11,780 and we went to the subdivision plait, 416 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:13,940 so those are separate issues. 417 00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:18,060 That's it? 418 00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:19,180 Oh, yeah, well, that, 419 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:21,660 both the playing commission and staff recommend approval, 420 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,860 and yeah, that's generally it. 421 00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:26,420 This matches everything around it, 422 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,460 and the comprehensive plan. 423 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:29,060 I told you I was trying to keep it short. 424 00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:30,500 Okay, thank you. 425 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,780 So let's open up public hearing regarding this one. 426 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,260 Again, same rules apply. 427 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:36,940 I have two people signed up for this, 428 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:39,620 if I could hear from Lynn Byer. 429 00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:42,260 Is that the correct pronunciation? 430 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:45,420 And when you get up to the podium, 431 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:46,940 name and address for the record. 432 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,300 My name's Lynn Byer, 6235, King's View Drive. 433 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:58,860 I'm here tonight representing the 434 00:34:58,860 --> 00:35:00,620 doesn't create condo association, 435 00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:05,420 and we respectfully request clarification 436 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:09,300 on several items before construction begins. 437 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,660 Our primary concerns are clarification 438 00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:14,260 regarding the temporary construction access road 439 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:15,980 from Emerson Road. 440 00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:19,180 Will this road be used for all phases of construction, 441 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:22,820 including road sewers, utilities, and building construction? 442 00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:26,940 Next residents are concerned that heavy construction equipment 443 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:28,980 and material deliveries could be routed 444 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,260 through existing neighborhood streets, 445 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:34,860 causing unnecessary traffic, safety concerns, 446 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:37,620 and damage to the private roads within our community, 447 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:39,860 our condominium community. 448 00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:43,220 Information regarding the anticipated construction schedule 449 00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:46,100 and colluding the phases of development 450 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,580 and established timeline for, 451 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,820 or estimated timeline for completion. 452 00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:54,180 We respectfully request that the approved 453 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:57,580 construction documents specifically require, 454 00:35:57,580 --> 00:36:00,500 number one, that all construction traffic, 455 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:04,100 heavy equipment, contractors, and material deliveries 456 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,940 utilize the designated construction entrance 457 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:10,140 from Emerson Road throughout the project. 458 00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:11,820 Number two, the construction traffic 459 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:15,100 cannot be permitted to travel through Hilltop Drive, 460 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,540 Kingsview Drive, and Green Valley Drive. 461 00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:21,380 Number three, the construction documents clearly state 462 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:25,900 that the quail point and Partridge Hill are private roads 463 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:29,540 and are not to be used for construction traffic. 464 00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:32,340 Including these requirements in the construction documents 465 00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:34,500 will help provide our private roads, 466 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,980 improve safety, and minimize disruption during construction. 467 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:40,700 We appreciate your consideration 468 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,500 and respectfully request clarification 469 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:47,100 before final improvement and commencement of construction. 470 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,100 Thank you. 471 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,700 Appreciate your thoughts. 472 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,340 Can we hear from Stephanie Thier? 473 00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:58,940 Name and address for the record. 474 00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:06,740 Hello, Stephanie Toyer, I live at 520 Green Valley Drive, 475 00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:09,180 which is at the end of the dead end. 476 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:10,980 I'd like to convey some of the concerns 477 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:14,100 for myself and neighbors, your constituents. 478 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,460 We realize the land is going to be developed 479 00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,740 and there will be an access way 480 00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:20,220 to the subdivision from our street. 481 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:22,420 Our concern is our street, 482 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:24,660 which already goes to a subdivision, 483 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:28,020 is going to be the only access point to this. 484 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:31,780 We have heard over and over that it is acceptable 485 00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:33,820 to DOT standards. 486 00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:36,980 DOT approval is also the same decision makers 487 00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:38,860 who approve the working on Spring Street, 488 00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:41,580 making it a single lane while under construction 489 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:44,780 and extremely difficult to get critically injured people 490 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:46,980 to the emergency rooms. 491 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:48,660 Another thing we keep hearing is, 492 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:51,620 the DOT is bigger concern regarding traffic 493 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:54,660 from Amazon, FedEx, and UPS trucks. 494 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,820 Not the potential for additional 88 vehicles 495 00:37:57,820 --> 00:38:00,140 coming in and out of that way. 496 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:02,860 Unfortunately, standards do not always take 497 00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,260 into account all of the variables, 498 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:09,020 such as our subdivision and residents are older 499 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:11,220 and are out walking, and unfortunately, 500 00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:14,100 more times than not have emergency vehicles 501 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,540 going in and out of our area. 502 00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:19,660 One example of that is from a couple of years ago, 503 00:38:19,660 --> 00:38:21,700 the condo at the end of Green Valley Drive 504 00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,660 had their alarm system going off, 505 00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:27,900 to the point where others could hear it and called 911. 506 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,900 I came home to find the street and my driveway blocked 507 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,020 and I had emergency vehicles in my driveway, 508 00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:38,100 even though I was not the unit being involved. 509 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,420 Luckily, this was a non-emergency 510 00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:43,020 and they were able to get in and turn off the alarm, 511 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,500 but thinking back on this, if this was the incident 512 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,060 where we had all of this develop where to happen, 513 00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:53,380 excuse me, all of those individuals would be stuck 514 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:55,580 and the emergency vehicles would need to be cleared out 515 00:38:55,580 --> 00:38:58,340 for all of those individuals living in those 44 units 516 00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:59,740 to get passed. 517 00:38:59,740 --> 00:39:03,180 Let alone somebody needing emergency assistance there. 518 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:05,220 Safety needs to come first. 519 00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:08,180 We need to have two ways in and out. 520 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:10,980 I am asking you as trustees to take a minute 521 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:13,380 and plan for today and for tomorrow 522 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:14,860 to look out for the best interest 523 00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,060 of our current and future residents. 524 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:19,780 Please table this until the owner, developers and village 525 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:23,380 can devise a plan where they can have multiple entry points, 526 00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:25,460 not just in the building phase in the future 527 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:28,260 or potentially purchasing lots in the future, 528 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,900 but truly having true entry points on the plan 529 00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,860 that can be utilized immediately 530 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:35,140 and when the development is done. 531 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:38,180 Whether it's off Emerson or the landowner purchases 532 00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:41,660 or works out in Eastman with the parcel on Explorer. 533 00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:43,300 As a resident of Mount Pleasant, 534 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,460 I am asking you as our elected trustees 535 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:47,620 to take more time to analyze this development 536 00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:49,580 to provide multiple entrances 537 00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:51,500 to make sure the safety of our residents 538 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,260 is first and foremost. 539 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:55,260 Thank you so very much for your time. 540 00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:58,060 I appreciate your thoughts. 541 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,260 Anybody else wanted to speak on this particular issue? 542 00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:03,580 I have nobody else signed up, 543 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:05,740 so we can close public comment on that 544 00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:07,100 and then this one we do. 545 00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:11,340 How can we first have motion 546 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:13,940 and then we'll open up to the board for discussion. 547 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:22,180 Mr. President, I make a motion to ordinance, 548 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:25,580 to move ordinance five days, 2026 549 00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:28,060 for a zoning map amendment on Emerson Road 550 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:29,980 and Green Valley Drive as presented. 551 00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:32,420 Second. 552 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,980 So I hear a motion and a second. 553 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,580 Now we can open this up to the board for discussion. 554 00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:43,580 I imagine that some may have questions for Robin, 555 00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:47,380 given what has been brought up 556 00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:50,180 in terms of construction access and such things. 557 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:51,500 I'd just like to remind everybody 558 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,580 that this is a zoning piece of business 559 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:55,860 in front of the board 560 00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:58,020 and we're a long ways away from construction. 561 00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:02,580 So, Gina, you would mention something. 562 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:06,620 Robin, can we make a plan to have a different entrance 563 00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:08,820 so that all the traffic for the construction 564 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:11,180 is not going through this area? 565 00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:15,220 I was in that neighborhood today and over the weekend 566 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:19,100 and it is truly an older community. 567 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,860 I mean, it's not a retirement community 568 00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:22,540 but it kind of feels like that. 569 00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:26,300 So, to me, and I drove every street, 570 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,340 it would be, I think it would be very detrimental 571 00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:32,060 to the neighborhood if we didn't have 572 00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:33,340 another entrance on Emerson 573 00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:35,900 if it all had to go through these private roads. 574 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,420 So is that something you can consider doing? 575 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:43,180 That's actually girl's power actually and approving it. 576 00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:46,580 So if you have concerns about health, public safety, 577 00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:49,060 welfare, stuff like that and amending a plan 578 00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:50,980 or proposing conditions, 579 00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:53,260 you have the authority to place conditions 580 00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,340 on the approval of especially the subdivision plat 581 00:41:56,340 --> 00:42:00,180 as far as those concerns are. 582 00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:05,100 That is also why there was a condo plat amendment. 583 00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:08,460 We recommend we had a condition placed on 584 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:10,900 that there be a private road route, 585 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:14,780 private reservation for access along that 18 feet. 586 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:17,340 So that wasn't transferred away from this property. 587 00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:19,420 So that is one of them. 588 00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:22,780 I do agree that access to explorers should be worked out 589 00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:27,540 and that one access is never ideal in the long form. 590 00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,180 However, Green Valley is the public road. 591 00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:34,740 So to say that, no, you can't use that road access 592 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:38,220 for public purpose, which is to construct 593 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:41,380 additional parts of that public road. 594 00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:46,380 I don't like that because it seems a little bit arbitrary. 595 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,620 Spreading things out among the available accesses 596 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,180 that exist, that's totally reasonable, 597 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,460 especially considering if it overloads one particular thing 598 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:59,380 and also that King's view was paved just last year. 599 00:42:59,380 --> 00:43:02,780 So we got new pavement on there and stuff like that. 600 00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:05,780 So we would like to prefer another method. 601 00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:08,460 If the developer wants to accommodate 602 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:12,780 and use exclusively one other method, they can do that. 603 00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:14,420 Private roads are always private, 604 00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,700 like those are controlled by those owners 605 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,260 and they would never be authorized to access those. 606 00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:21,980 Does that answer your question? 607 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:25,980 Yeah, so what would be the next step to propose that 608 00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:27,860 so we have an alternate? 609 00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:30,140 So that would go on to the subdivision plot 610 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:34,260 about construction access for that particular thing. 611 00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:37,660 As far as, I will add a little bit is that we've had 612 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:42,660 some access issues for some other development 613 00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:46,380 and a garage that access Green Valley 614 00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:48,340 while the dead-end signs were up. 615 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,700 I would like to say that that was not allowed 616 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:55,060 and that violation has been assessed citation 617 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,300 because you're not to remove dead-end signs 618 00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,620 without authorization. 619 00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:00,700 And currently there's no authorized project 620 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:01,660 on that property. 621 00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:06,540 And I will go back to, when I mentioned 622 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:11,140 that that 710 property was, they were open to selling it. 623 00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:14,420 They were also saying that construction traffic 624 00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:18,260 is not to access over that private property 625 00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:19,940 until it is sold. 626 00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:22,740 So that's just clarifying that until it's transferred 627 00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:25,740 then they can't access from explorer drive either. 628 00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:30,740 So, and long story short, those kinds of provisions 629 00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:32,420 about construction access will go 630 00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,580 on to the subdivision plot which is up next. 631 00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:40,820 Any other thoughts on the zoning part of it? 632 00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:43,500 Mr. President, again, I would have comment, 633 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:48,020 but like Robin said, those discussion go on the plot. 634 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:50,420 So I'll wait until that because this item 635 00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:51,660 is only for the rezoning. 636 00:44:55,260 --> 00:45:00,260 Okay, so in the matter of ordinance 5-2026, 637 00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:06,500 ZMA 26-2 regarding the zoning, ROCO. 638 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:08,340 Caris. 639 00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:10,980 Ventrini. 640 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:12,140 Aye. 641 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:12,980 Batia. 642 00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:13,820 Aye. 643 00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:14,660 Washburn. 644 00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:15,500 Aye. 645 00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:16,340 Pollack. 646 00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:17,180 Aye. 647 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:18,020 DeGroote. 648 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:18,860 Aye. 649 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:19,700 Motion carries. 650 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:28,300 So the next item is discussion and motion regarding 651 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:33,300 the lineage of states preliminary plat. 652 00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:38,380 5PP26-001, Emerson Road Green Valley Drive. 653 00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:45,140 Okay, I'm on a roll tonight, guys. 654 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:48,820 All right, so this is 26-001. 655 00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:52,780 This is a subdivision plat for 11.616 acres. 656 00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:57,620 The current zoning is AG-1, but we've just approved 657 00:45:57,620 --> 00:46:02,620 a rezone to RL which is matching the zoning designation 658 00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:06,620 of all their surrounding properties. 659 00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:08,860 The applicant has submitted a preliminary plat 660 00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:12,620 to subdivide approximately 11.6 acres near South Emerson Road 661 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:15,580 and Green Valley Drive into 22 residential lots 662 00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:16,660 and two out lots. 663 00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:20,180 Those out lots will contain the stormwater. 664 00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:23,940 The plat shows legacy lane and generation grow 665 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:27,020 as new internal streets and the extension of Green Valley 666 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:29,420 drive at the north edge of the subdivision. 667 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:35,260 And the out lots wanted to have shown as fractionally owned 668 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:39,420 by all of the owners and the maintenance assigned 669 00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:44,340 to the lineage states HOA, the village staff 670 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:46,980 and the planning commission recommend approval 671 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:48,540 of the subdivision plat. 672 00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:51,060 We also discussed at the subdivision extensively 673 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,700 as far as the construction traffic issues 674 00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:57,180 which you guys have part extensively. 675 00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:02,460 And as far as traffic goes, that kind of goes 676 00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:04,100 with the comprehensive plat. 677 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:10,500 44 units and so is not, residential is probably 678 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:14,540 above agriculture as far as traffic generation, 679 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:16,100 but it's the lowest on the list. 680 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:20,940 It's Chick-fil-A drives 88 cars in 30 minutes. 681 00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:24,380 Residential is pretty much to go in and go out. 682 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,220 We have larger, not that it was a smart idea, 683 00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:29,380 but some of the condos off of Wood Road 684 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:32,500 and stuff like that have many more units off of one access. 685 00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:38,260 And the fire department does not generally like that. 686 00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:41,660 However, with proposed extensions and connections 687 00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,380 that can be mitigated at the point 688 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:45,380 is to have those as a possibility. 689 00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:49,060 Let me kind of think of anything else. 690 00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:54,060 Oh, as far as the, a TIA, TIA's are only required 691 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:55,700 for over 100 units. 692 00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:58,700 So at 44, TIA would not be required. 693 00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:01,380 These are all local access roads. 694 00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:03,860 So they would be much the same speed limit 695 00:48:03,860 --> 00:48:07,020 and size and shape as everything else in the subdivision 696 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:10,500 and would have street trees, sidewalks, 697 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:14,660 and street lamps at the intersections. 698 00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:21,660 Okay. 699 00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:23,460 Any thoughts from the trustees? 700 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:29,140 Oh, let's get a motion on the table first. 701 00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:29,980 I'm sorry. 702 00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:34,860 Motion. 703 00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:36,220 Mr. President, I make a motion 704 00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:41,020 to prove the preliminary plot for a linear estate subject 705 00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:43,500 to the approval of the comprehensive plan amendment 706 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,340 for 6.30. 707 00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:45,740 I'm at central. 708 00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:49,380 Second. 709 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:51,020 So your motion to the second. 710 00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:53,580 Now. 711 00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:55,580 Mr. President, as we heard from the residents 712 00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:56,820 during the public hearing, 713 00:48:56,820 --> 00:49:01,820 and their major concern is the construction traffic. 714 00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,620 And Robin has already addressed that. 715 00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,500 And when we approved at the Planning Commission 716 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,780 recommendation, we had the access from the Emerson Road. 717 00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:19,140 So, but I'm still going to ask Robin to help me 718 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:21,340 maybe amend the motion or something. 719 00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:26,340 My point is, how can we put that in the approval process? 720 00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:30,740 The concern that we heard about the construction traffic. 721 00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:33,460 Because yes, I totally agree with that. 722 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:38,460 Whether it's a king view drive or a green-mally road drive. 723 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:43,140 These roads are not adequate for heavy equipment 724 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:45,100 or the construction, so they have to come down. 725 00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,780 So my question to Robin is, and I help me understand, 726 00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:50,380 maybe I need to amend the motion, 727 00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:55,380 is how can we have that construction concern 728 00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:01,420 put that in the approval process? 729 00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:06,900 So any kind of subdivision plan 730 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:08,420 will come with the development agreement 731 00:50:08,420 --> 00:50:12,780 that negotiates the construction of public improvements 732 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:14,500 in the transfer over to the village. 733 00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,220 And that development agreement also shows up other things. 734 00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:21,700 A condition on access and whatnot 735 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:23,540 would be very appropriate to show up 736 00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:24,980 in that development agreement. 737 00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:30,980 And as far as enforcing access and whatnot 738 00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:32,540 as far as within stages, 739 00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:35,500 we would probably need to have some kind of plan 740 00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:36,580 and access plan. 741 00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:38,500 This is a little bit outside of my wheelhouse. 742 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:40,860 This is more like a clawed or deep W kind of thing 743 00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:43,180 as far as that, but I'm winging it here. 744 00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:47,900 Having some kind of specificity of like this phase, 745 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,580 is this access for these properties, so on and so forth. 746 00:50:51,580 --> 00:50:53,340 You can get as specific as you want, 747 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:56,340 but that would be the kind of mechanism in order to do that. 748 00:50:58,540 --> 00:51:01,180 Did you want to chime in on any of that, 749 00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:04,140 like as far as access agreements? 750 00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:07,220 I mean, as far as construction access, 751 00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:10,140 if it's decided on the plate that we want a specific access 752 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:12,580 point to avoid traffic through the subdivision, 753 00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:14,380 that could certainly be enforced also 754 00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:16,380 through the construction plans if needed. 755 00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:20,940 So that's how it will be done. 756 00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:24,860 So it would be, I definitely see, you know, 757 00:51:24,860 --> 00:51:28,260 obviously with the concern as well as, you know, 758 00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:31,020 the fact that the road is new for at least there 759 00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:34,700 to be some splits and for construction traffic 760 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:36,900 to make sense as divided. 761 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,180 And when we heard it from the developer 762 00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:41,940 when these were being proposed at Plan Commission, 763 00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:44,420 they were really amenable to the additional access 764 00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:46,700 off of Emerson Road. 765 00:51:47,540 --> 00:51:50,220 We can't force a private property sale 766 00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:53,260 to do that connection to explore drive, 767 00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:56,540 but that is something that you guys can consider 768 00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:58,060 as whether or not it's necessary 769 00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:59,580 for this development as well. 770 00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:05,420 Robin, with our new audio, visual equipment 771 00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:07,660 and the ability for you to, you know, 772 00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:11,420 zip something from your laptop up to the screens, 773 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:15,620 can you throw up like a GIS or a Google map 774 00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:19,980 of the subject property and the surrounding neighborhood 775 00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:22,860 because I've got it on my phone. 776 00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:25,460 And, you know, what I'm seeing is, you know, 777 00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,660 this isn't, it's a fairly significant subdivision, 778 00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:32,380 but it's an infill is really what it is. 779 00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:33,220 Yes. 780 00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:38,020 And, you know, so construction access, of course, 781 00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:40,220 is needed and we, you know, 782 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:44,020 all understand what the village residents are saying. 783 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:49,980 But, you know, in the place to handle that is 784 00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:53,340 through the development agreement and such things, 785 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:56,380 but Nancy has a lot of experience in this 786 00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:58,180 and if you could just share a couple of thoughts. 787 00:52:59,660 --> 00:53:01,940 Well, number one, I'd like to see if I can get 788 00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:03,380 my monitor down. 789 00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:06,300 I feel like everybody's looking at the top of my head 790 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:11,300 and I want you to know that I'm paying attention 791 00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:13,140 to your project. 792 00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,700 So, first of all, I was not at the plan commission in May 793 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,340 when this was moved forward 794 00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:22,740 and I would hazard a guess that if I was, 795 00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:24,340 it would look a little different. 796 00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:29,460 I really am very concerned about this. 797 00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:33,380 First of all, we also learned as a village board 798 00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:37,380 that A and K lineage went ahead and jumped the gun 799 00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:41,580 and built a garage to particularly block access 800 00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:44,060 in one avenue to the property 801 00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:46,980 and went through Green Valley Drive to do that 802 00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:49,300 when their permit was expressly written 803 00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:51,220 to access off of Emerson. 804 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:54,860 So, there's a trust problem that we have right now. 805 00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:59,780 Number one, number two, Kingston Holmes condominiums, 806 00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:04,780 as I see this layout, the 18-foot access 807 00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:09,860 for construction equipment is coming in off of property 808 00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:14,780 not owned by lineage estate's preliminary plan. 809 00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:17,020 It's on the abutting property, 810 00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:19,140 which is owned by the same party. 811 00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,740 So, I understand there can be cross agreements. 812 00:54:21,740 --> 00:54:26,740 But is that 18-foot strip that runs into a lot two 813 00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:28,660 on the plat, that's the access 814 00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:30,900 that everyone has been talking about 815 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,660 is gonna be the temporary construction access? 816 00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:37,780 Yes, that was a part of this parcel 817 00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:42,780 and as a condition to transfer that through the condo 818 00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:47,060 plat amendment, we basically condition that they add 819 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:49,500 the clause that a temporary access easement 820 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,220 for this construction project be added there. 821 00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:55,660 Why do Kingston Holmes condominium need that 18 feet? 822 00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:59,380 Let the lineage estate's preliminary plat 823 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:00,940 needed the 18 feet. 824 00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:02,980 That I don't know, but we wanted to make sure 825 00:55:02,980 --> 00:55:06,220 that that 18 feet was available for the plat. 826 00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:10,140 Well, that's gonna be a very interesting situation 827 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:14,180 because as it comes in off of Emerson Road 828 00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:17,820 and goes west on that 18 foot access, 829 00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:19,780 it's gonna go through lot two. 830 00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:22,660 So that brings up questions to me 831 00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:26,300 of how does the developer plan on building this? 832 00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:27,780 Is this one phase? 833 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:31,060 Are they gonna build all 22 lots at one time? 834 00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:34,300 Number one, because if they are, 835 00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,740 lot two is gonna be their construction access. 836 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:39,940 Where else do you go? 837 00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:43,340 If you take that eight, it's either lot two or lot three. 838 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:48,740 So I think this needs to go back to the plan commission. 839 00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:50,700 I think it needs a little more thought. 840 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:55,700 I think this is very tricky and it is an infill site. 841 00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:59,220 It is totally an infill site. 842 00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:01,900 And the other thing in talking about the party 843 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,220 that is the property to the south of it, 844 00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:07,580 which is the farm field where they're willing to sell 845 00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:10,980 some land on the west side of it, 846 00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:12,740 are they willing to sell that? 847 00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:16,500 And is lineage estates willing to buy it 848 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:20,620 and build a road all the way then through that property 849 00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:24,940 that would connect with explore drive? 850 00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:27,540 And are they willing to build that 851 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,460 as part of the plan right now? 852 00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:31,460 Are they willing to buy that property 853 00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:32,740 and build that access? 854 00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:35,780 Because that takes away all the conversation 855 00:56:35,780 --> 00:56:39,420 or some of the conversation on Emerson Road access. 856 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:41,740 Number three, number four, 857 00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:43,980 when we talk about construction access, 858 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:47,940 these are going to be from what we read in the packet. 859 00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:51,340 These are two unit condominium type buildings. 860 00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:54,660 Whether they be two story or single family ranch, 861 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:59,380 they haven't really given us an indication of that yet. 862 00:56:59,380 --> 00:57:04,220 But the Green Valley Drive through the existing subdivision 863 00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:07,140 can't take that construction traffic either. 864 00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:10,740 Trust trucks, concrete trucks, lumber trucks. 865 00:57:11,740 --> 00:57:14,260 All the concrete trucks that would come in 866 00:57:14,260 --> 00:57:16,860 and have to pour all those foundations. 867 00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:21,180 Again, what I'm alluding to is this 18 foot access 868 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:24,340 is more than just a temporary access. 869 00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:27,580 It is going to have to be somehow noted 870 00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:32,100 and part made part of, I think, this plat 871 00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,420 in order to make sure we control it. 872 00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:38,060 And lot two is going to have to become truly, 873 00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:41,020 it's going to have to have, 874 00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,140 it's going to be the construction access for all of it. 875 00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:48,140 And I don't see any other way of getting around it. 876 00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:50,100 You can't take all that through Green Valley, 877 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,540 it'll never work, through Green Valley Drive. 878 00:57:53,420 --> 00:57:57,620 And in other areas where we've had infill sites like this, 879 00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:59,740 they've had direct access though, 880 00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:02,140 we're going to be talking about one later on, 881 00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:04,140 the one on Brown Road. 882 00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:06,660 They at least have access to Brown Road, 883 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:11,220 to a public right of way that is a major collector or arterial. 884 00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:14,460 So this one is going through a subdivision 885 00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:18,140 of an older subdivision, smaller streets. 886 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:21,700 I just, again, I think it needs to go back 887 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:23,380 to the Plan Commission and I think we need 888 00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:25,540 to work some of this stuff out. 889 00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:28,540 I'm just going to read with the law in the villages. 890 00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:32,700 No construction or installation of improvements 891 00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:36,580 shall commence in a proposed land division 892 00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:43,260 until a development agreement has been executed. 893 00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:49,060 What's before you is a vote on a plan 894 00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:53,180 to subdivide this agricultural parcel, 895 00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:54,500 which is now one parcel. 896 00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,740 Everything we're talking about can be addressed 897 00:58:57,740 --> 00:58:58,940 in a development agreement, 898 00:58:58,940 --> 00:59:01,340 which they cannot commence construction 899 00:59:01,340 --> 00:59:02,900 until there is one in place. 900 00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,540 And you, the board, have to approve it. 901 00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,300 Well, they weren't supposed to build a garage either. 902 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:12,060 Well, okay, but we're not talking about developers 903 00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:13,700 doing things that are illegally. 904 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:14,540 Right, right. 905 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:20,060 And people aren't supposed to do a lot of things 906 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,900 and we enforce when they break the law 907 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:23,420 and we would do that here. 908 00:59:23,420 --> 00:59:25,420 All I'm saying is everything we're talking about 909 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:28,940 is what you would consider in a development agreement. 910 00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:30,300 It doesn't have a whole lot to do 911 00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:32,020 with how we're subdivided parcels. 912 00:59:32,020 --> 00:59:33,900 So do we need to make a motion 913 00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,420 to send it back to the development? 914 00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:40,620 No, they can't, if you approve this preliminary plan, 915 00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:44,420 all that means is there's a plan recorded 916 00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:48,540 to subdivide this land the way you see it, 917 00:59:48,540 --> 00:59:51,300 but they can't do anything legally. 918 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:52,740 Nancy, what you're talking about is something 919 00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:54,900 that did illegally, okay? 920 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:58,140 They can't do anything legally as far as construction 921 00:59:58,180 --> 01:00:00,980 until this board approves an agreement 922 01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:03,300 that they must agree to, okay? 923 01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:07,180 And then we would address all the construction concerns 924 01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:08,020 that we've been talking about. 925 01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:10,140 But if we don't want to approve it the way it is 926 01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:13,420 because we want a different entry point 927 01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:15,460 or to address the things that Nancy talked about, 928 01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:18,740 then we would not vote to approve this. 929 01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:22,460 Well, if you look at the agenda item, 930 01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,180 it is a preliminary plan. 931 01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:27,540 I know, but we want to just send it back. 932 01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:31,660 No, we can approve a preliminary plan 933 01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:34,780 subject to the other workup that has to happen 934 01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:38,140 at the time of a development agreement. 935 01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:40,340 I think part of, and if I can just jump back in, 936 01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:43,660 I think part of the problem with this is 937 01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:48,580 that as far as a preliminary plan go, it meets our code. 938 01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:51,940 It is the proper size, the lots are the proper size 939 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:56,460 for the zoning that has been recommended for it. 940 01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:01,460 The lot type, the RL matches and meets the neighborhood plan. 941 01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:08,820 I think that our screen just went blank, okay. 942 01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:13,140 I think that there, you know, I guess I'm just wondering 943 01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:16,260 truly, you know, I'm gonna go back to my question 944 01:01:16,260 --> 01:01:20,660 to the developer, and that is, what is your intent in here? 945 01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:24,660 It's been stated that you're gonna be doing two unit 946 01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:28,900 attached buildings, is there gonna be a condominium 947 01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:30,260 plait behind it? 948 01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:34,580 Obviously, as far as final plait, we will see the HOA documents, 949 01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:37,060 and that was clear in the review comments. 950 01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:39,340 But again, it goes back to what is your plan 951 01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:43,100 for building this, because that is gonna have 952 01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:47,900 a huge impact on what the developer's agreement says. 953 01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:51,020 Are you gonna build all 22 lots at one time, 954 01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:53,820 or are you thinking of doing this in phases? 955 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:55,860 And if you're doing it in phases, 956 01:01:55,860 --> 01:01:57,580 can you identify what those are? 957 01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:59,860 And I think it's a reasonable question 958 01:01:59,860 --> 01:02:03,940 to ask a preliminary plait, so that we can understand 959 01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:05,900 how the final plait will be set up. 960 01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:07,180 Is the developer here? 961 01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:10,180 So, if you could just introduce yourself, 962 01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:14,180 if there's some way that you're gonna answer these questions, 963 01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:16,180 have a lot of concern for people here. 964 01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:17,180 I understand. 965 01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:19,180 My name is John Osterman. 966 01:02:19,180 --> 01:02:21,180 I'm working with Mrs. Hamilton. 967 01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:25,180 We're looking at the, putting that subdivision in. 968 01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:27,180 I'm working with Mrs. Hamilton. 969 01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:32,180 We're looking at the, putting that subdivision in. 970 01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:36,180 Any of the questions, it definitely won't be all at one, 971 01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:38,180 at one time, 22 units. 972 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:40,180 They're gonna pretty much match the existing 973 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:44,180 that's up on the Green Valley, trying to abide by that. 974 01:02:44,180 --> 01:02:47,180 We would love to try to get some access off of Emerson Road 975 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:50,180 to carry the construction project through. 976 01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:53,180 There is a large telephone poll there that is, 977 01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:55,180 of our concerns, for some of the, 978 01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:58,180 you know, in terms of, you know, 979 01:02:58,180 --> 01:03:03,180 that is, of our concerns for some of the in and out traffic 980 01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:04,180 that goes on. 981 01:03:04,180 --> 01:03:06,180 Well, then you're gonna have to move it. 982 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:07,180 You're gonna have to move it. 983 01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:09,180 Because that's the way you're getting in. 984 01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:11,180 That's the way you're getting in. 985 01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:12,180 Okay. 986 01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:14,180 First off, if I could please finish. 987 01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:16,180 We will get that access. 988 01:03:16,180 --> 01:03:19,180 We can have that access to bring the equipment in. 989 01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:21,180 Whether it's gonna be 100% of it. 990 01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,180 I wouldn't, I would like to have some access coming off the Green Valley. 991 01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:28,180 And another thing I would like to take and, you know, 992 01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:31,180 state because some of the comments and stuff that for us going in 993 01:03:31,180 --> 01:03:35,180 on the end of Green Valley and coming in on the property, 994 01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:38,180 we do apologize if we interrupted anything. 995 01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:40,180 It was access going in. 996 01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:43,180 The two departments we discussed with Mount Pleasant, 997 01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:46,180 I was told by one department we could remove the trees 998 01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:48,180 and do anything we needed. 999 01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:51,180 Two weeks later, we were told by the other department 1000 01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:52,180 that that was not possible. 1001 01:03:52,180 --> 01:03:55,180 So that was my mistake for not considering 1002 01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:57,180 and getting in involved with all the other departments. 1003 01:03:57,180 --> 01:03:59,180 So I do apologize for that. 1004 01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,180 We put it back the way it was. 1005 01:04:01,180 --> 01:04:04,180 And it's pretty much any of the access. 1006 01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:08,180 We would try to access off of Emerson on a temporary. 1007 01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:12,180 Now that being said, there's gonna be two residents 1008 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:15,180 that were gonna go right between on an 18 foot wide. 1009 01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:16,180 I don't very much. 1010 01:04:16,180 --> 01:04:19,180 They're gonna be as happy as the people on Green Valley are. 1011 01:04:19,180 --> 01:04:24,180 So, you know, which one you really wanna go to and to upset, 1012 01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:27,180 I'm sure you're gonna have two people on Emerson are not gonna be happy 1013 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:28,180 with 18 foot. 1014 01:04:28,180 --> 01:04:32,180 They have all sorts of things piled onto that section right there. 1015 01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:37,180 They have from wood, let's say fully wooded 18 foot wide, 1016 01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:42,180 300 and some feet long going through lot number two, 1017 01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:46,180 which is another costly, costly. 1018 01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:50,180 You know, what you're asking to give up a complete lot, 1019 01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:54,180 I think the access should come off of Green Valley in my personal 1020 01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:57,180 just because it is a public road. 1021 01:04:57,180 --> 01:05:01,180 You must have decided this one your future plans would end. 1022 01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:06,180 There was no other access when all the other permits were giving. 1023 01:05:06,180 --> 01:05:10,180 So, you know, that's what we would abide and help do anything we can 1024 01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:13,180 to make construction traffic easier. 1025 01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:15,180 I'd like to do it in a couple different phases. 1026 01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:17,180 They're not gonna go all at one time, 1027 01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:21,180 which would probably lighten that load so we wouldn't have to push everybody. 1028 01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:27,180 So, if there's any way you could consider that coming off of that Green Valley, 1029 01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:31,180 I would recommend that the two customers or the two residents on 1030 01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:33,180 Emerson are not gonna be happy. 1031 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:37,180 And I have spoken to a few in the neighborhood up there. 1032 01:05:37,180 --> 01:05:39,180 And they weren't really too concerned. 1033 01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:41,180 They were all very cordial, very nice. 1034 01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:44,180 They expected a subdivision becoming sooner or later. 1035 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:48,180 Everybody hates to give up a farm field, but that being said, 1036 01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:52,180 we will try to take as much as we can to off that Emerson road. 1037 01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:56,180 And if it is moving a telephone pole, that's something we haven't, 1038 01:05:56,180 --> 01:06:00,180 I guess, looked into to see what that would take at this point. 1039 01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:04,180 And it's just on the side, but it would just make it a little bit tighter. 1040 01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:08,180 And the access, if necessary, we certainly would do something like that. 1041 01:06:09,180 --> 01:06:13,180 If there's any other questions I can help with, please. 1042 01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:18,180 Well, and that's why I asked to have this aerial put up that everybody can see now. 1043 01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:23,180 You have a farm field that is in the middle of, it's surrounded by residential. 1044 01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:29,180 It's by any definition, an infill project. 1045 01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:33,180 So, you know, we just finished in the past business, 1046 01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:36,180 rezoning it to residential. 1047 01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:39,180 We had a trusty vote against rezoning it to residential. 1048 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:44,180 Not sure why, because I'm assuming that it's not going to stay a farm field forever. 1049 01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:48,180 And rezoning it to residential is what makes most sense. 1050 01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:53,180 You have two dead end roads that go into a green valley dead ends on to her property. 1051 01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:58,180 And another thing, the signs that are posted there are on her property. 1052 01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:02,180 The asphalt emergency turnaround is on her property. 1053 01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:07,180 So, the signs that I removed were on her property that Mount Pleasant put there. 1054 01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:11,180 And if I would have known that that was it, I would have never come in. 1055 01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:16,180 It was just to get access to get equipment and rather than going through a brand new driveway 1056 01:07:16,180 --> 01:07:20,180 that she had just put in her at her residence, and she owned the property. 1057 01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:26,180 So, again, I really, really apologize if I offended anybody in any way that was all on my fault 1058 01:07:26,180 --> 01:07:30,180 for not checking out with Department of Public Works. 1059 01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:34,180 I checked with the building department, and at that point, we were told. 1060 01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:36,180 If you own the property, you can take the trees down. 1061 01:07:36,180 --> 01:07:38,180 It's your property, you have access to it. 1062 01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:41,180 Two weeks later, we were told just the office. 1063 01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:44,180 So, again, I take that responsibility. 1064 01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:46,180 We took it all out of there. 1065 01:07:46,180 --> 01:07:50,180 And I can't imagine that explorer is going to want us coming in off of the explorer, 1066 01:07:50,180 --> 01:07:52,180 even if we did purchase property. 1067 01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:57,180 What are the people down off of the explorer going to say coming in off a sunny slope 1068 01:07:57,180 --> 01:08:00,180 over to explorer and through that subdivision? 1069 01:08:00,180 --> 01:08:02,180 They're going to have the same concerns. 1070 01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:07,180 So, I mean, how do we get in and out and appease Mount Pleasant? 1071 01:08:07,180 --> 01:08:09,180 We will do everything possible. 1072 01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:15,180 But whether I can get 100% of the construction equipment through that 18 foot wide easement 1073 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:21,180 and those two residents make them happy along with it and astronomical cost, 1074 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:23,180 what you're asking for. 1075 01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:24,180 Much easier. 1076 01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:28,180 Your water and your sewer are coming in off of Green Valley. 1077 01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:32,180 All of our infrastructure is off of Green Valley. 1078 01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:36,180 There's going to be more that you're going to have to take and put up with. 1079 01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:40,180 You've got water lines that are coming in, 20 feet onto her property. 1080 01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:45,180 You've got sewer lines coming in on her property, 15 feet into her property. 1081 01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:49,180 And it's all on her North property line on that piece of parcel. 1082 01:08:50,180 --> 01:08:54,180 So, anyway, I really would recommend Green Valley. 1083 01:08:54,180 --> 01:08:57,180 You aren't going to have two residents on. 1084 01:08:57,180 --> 01:09:02,180 Emmertson are going to hate us and explorers going to hate us just as much as, you know, 1085 01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:03,180 new construction. 1086 01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:07,180 So, please reconsider what you're considering. 1087 01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:14,180 So, when you talked about your first phase or that you would probably do this in multiple phases, 1088 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:20,180 I would assume you're going to, your first phase is going to be around Green Valley. 1089 01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:21,180 Well, we have to. 1090 01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:23,180 That's the only place the infrastructure is coming. 1091 01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:26,180 Water comes off of Green Valley and sewer. 1092 01:09:26,180 --> 01:09:27,180 All right. 1093 01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:28,180 All right. 1094 01:09:28,180 --> 01:09:30,180 I'm trying to paint a picture here. 1095 01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:31,180 Right. 1096 01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:36,180 So, again, you know, if your first phase is, you know, what, 10 lots? 1097 01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:38,180 You're going to get down to the cul-de-sac. 1098 01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:41,180 You've got to put your ponds in. 1099 01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:48,180 You know, I think this is a really problem situation because it is an infill and it just 1100 01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:52,180 has great limitations in its current condition. 1101 01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:58,180 And, you know, the two gentlemen that are here who apparently own those properties, I don't 1102 01:09:58,180 --> 01:10:01,180 know, are you on both sides of those properties? 1103 01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:02,180 Right. 1104 01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:10,180 You know, obviously that's something they're not going to like, but I'm not sure why you're 1105 01:10:10,180 --> 01:10:17,180 thinking, you know, that it's unreasonable for us to want you to find a solution to 1106 01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:18,180 this. 1107 01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:22,180 Ultimately, when it's built out, everyone will forget about the construction traffic. 1108 01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:27,180 But there's a, that's a lot of traffic and the trucks go fast. 1109 01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:30,180 And they're disrespectful to the neighborhood. 1110 01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:39,180 So, in other infill sites that we've had like this, John, we have had good access that, 1111 01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:43,180 that was able to overcome that problem without any question. 1112 01:10:43,180 --> 01:10:45,180 I'll let you know on Brown Road. 1113 01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:50,180 I'm on Brown Road where you're just reported for that turnaround that you're going to 1114 01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:51,180 be having down there. 1115 01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:53,180 I'm in the middle of all of that construction. 1116 01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:55,180 So, I know what the construction is. 1117 01:10:55,180 --> 01:10:57,180 I've been into it for 40 some years. 1118 01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:00,180 But you put, you're in the middle of an area. 1119 01:11:00,180 --> 01:11:01,180 There's no access. 1120 01:11:01,180 --> 01:11:02,180 18 feet. 1121 01:11:02,180 --> 01:11:06,180 I'm sure the residents there, they're not going to want me coming through. 1122 01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:09,180 There's trees that have to come down. 1123 01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:14,180 The only logical access point is off of Green Valley. 1124 01:11:14,180 --> 01:11:18,180 Now, we can take and control that to a certain degree and maybe go into the two phases. 1125 01:11:18,180 --> 01:11:23,180 The width of the lot that she's looking at, her parcel is only 500 feet. 1126 01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:28,180 She can start off on phases and we can work in on going in because that's where the infrastructure 1127 01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:29,180 all has to start at. 1128 01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:32,180 So, I hope I helped in any of the answers. 1129 01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:40,180 I sure wish you would reconsider some of the questions that I had for you on the access. 1130 01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:42,180 And as far as moving a telephone poll, we can. 1131 01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:46,180 But I don't think there'd be as happy as explore either. 1132 01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:51,180 So, anything else I can help with, please? 1133 01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:52,180 Sure. 1134 01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:57,180 I can't take questions from the audience. 1135 01:11:57,180 --> 01:11:59,180 That's okay. 1136 01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:02,180 Any of the other trustees have any questions? 1137 01:12:02,180 --> 01:12:18,180 Mr. President, that's why my question was originally that this is a preliminary plan, preliminary plan, by my question about what's the process, you know, to get a handle on the construction, you know, traffic, whether we can enforce it or not. 1138 01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:29,180 Obviously, Trustee Washburn, you know, with her experience as a builder, she brings a whole new, a different aspect of that. 1139 01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:47,180 But I am here looking at what's the, I'm totally in agreement with the resident that if I was living on the Green Valley Drive or the Kingview Drive, I would not want to have the construction traffic, you know, go through my subdivision. 1140 01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:53,180 So what I am kind of, honestly, struggling with that, what's the best process? 1141 01:12:53,180 --> 01:13:02,180 Do we approve the preliminary plot and then go through the process to the development agreement, as our attorney Chris says, you know, rightly pointed out? 1142 01:13:02,180 --> 01:13:09,180 Or is that we go back to the planning commission to re-review the preliminary plan? 1143 01:13:10,180 --> 01:13:17,180 And I'm looking for some more answer from the either plan or so it may be from... 1144 01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:20,180 If the builder doesn't, well, let me just say something. 1145 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:26,180 If the builder doesn't have approval of a preliminary plan, he has no reason to go back for anything. 1146 01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:28,180 He's done. 1147 01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:33,180 So we've re-zone the property for a preliminary plan. 1148 01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:36,180 The plan's going to need work, so don't question about it. 1149 01:13:37,180 --> 01:13:42,180 And those kinds of questions can get answered through the development agreement. 1150 01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:45,180 At the end of the day, do you want a subdivision here or not? 1151 01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:50,180 I think we do because most of us agreed to re-zone it because that's what makes sense. 1152 01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:59,180 So, you know, again, this is a step in the process and everybody wants all the answers tonight and nobody's going to get the answers tonight. 1153 01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:03,180 Because we have a process that we go through. 1154 01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:11,180 And those kinds of things, like the development agreement, are going to come back in front of plan commission. 1155 01:14:11,180 --> 01:14:16,180 And plan commission gets the kick at the cap and this comes back before the board. 1156 01:14:16,180 --> 01:14:17,180 Yeah. 1157 01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:25,180 So in as much as there's some here on this deal right now, I don't see why we shouldn't be approving that. 1158 01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:33,180 I guess Mr. President, I think there is some here on this. 1159 01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:41,180 And I think, you know, I recognize the importance of this to the residents that live in the surrounding community. 1160 01:14:41,180 --> 01:14:45,180 Explore Drive at some point is going to go through. 1161 01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:53,180 For the gentleman that spoke before, Explore Drive has been, you know, that stub street has been there forever. 1162 01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:57,180 It was built to be a road that connected somewhere. 1163 01:14:57,180 --> 01:15:04,180 I'd really, I think my suggestion of sending it back to the plan committee, the plan committee is not going to be able to do anything. 1164 01:15:04,180 --> 01:15:12,180 You know, the plan commission isn't going to be able to address the questions that we're bringing up tonight, which is some of the accesses. 1165 01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:14,180 Now, Robin, are you putting that on there? 1166 01:15:14,180 --> 01:15:16,180 Are you putting the roads on there? 1167 01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:31,180 This is because you mentioned Haven that reminded me now that I have the power of the display to show where the current proposed road layout is. 1168 01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:34,180 So I put that up there. 1169 01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:43,180 It shows that Haven is a proposed road and that is still on the next one, but I don't necessarily think that that's. 1170 01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:50,180 I mean, given the property situation that that's necessary, we were more planning about the connection to the south. 1171 01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:53,180 To the south. 1172 01:15:53,180 --> 01:15:56,180 So, well, exactly. 1173 01:15:56,180 --> 01:16:10,180 And so in my mind, I think that moving the preliminary plat forward allows the developer to have some of the discussions with the neighbor to see if they can get the. 1174 01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:19,180 Any land from the budding property, because that would create a south connection, which would go over to explore and down. 1175 01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:26,180 I don't see it as being a big cut through until something on Emerson Road would connect it. 1176 01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:33,180 And based on the way the Kingston condo plat has come in, I think Robin's right. 1177 01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:38,180 You're not going to see another connection to Emerson Road till you get much further south. 1178 01:16:38,180 --> 01:16:45,180 But I think that by us approving the preliminary plat, it allows the developer to think through some of our concerns. 1179 01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:49,180 See if they can get that extra access, it would change their plat. 1180 01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:54,180 It would change the way the plat looks, because right now in that corner, they show a pond. 1181 01:16:54,180 --> 01:17:07,180 But the preliminary plat approval conditions include the final plat, the stormwater and sediment control plans and specifications shall be submitted for review and approval. 1182 01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:17,180 Has Nielsen, Mason and Barber, is this just conceptual in terms of where the ponds are going to go, Al? 1183 01:17:17,180 --> 01:17:24,180 Come up on, Mike, please. 1184 01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:32,180 Al, Jessica, Nielsen, Mason, Barber, 1458, Horizon Boulder. 1185 01:17:32,180 --> 01:17:37,180 The ponds are located in the low spots in the property where they should be. 1186 01:17:37,180 --> 01:17:39,180 So water be draining towards them. 1187 01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:40,180 Okay. 1188 01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:45,180 So that north south road that's closest to explore or drive, that could move a little bit further east. 1189 01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:49,180 I mean, that can be shifted so that you can get your stormwater where you need it to go. 1190 01:17:50,180 --> 01:17:53,180 Because the low spot is going to be the low spot. 1191 01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:55,180 That's going to dictate that. 1192 01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:56,180 All right. 1193 01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:59,180 Thanks, Al. 1194 01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:01,180 So I think this is tricky. 1195 01:18:01,180 --> 01:18:07,180 I think the developer's agreement is going to have to be, it's going to be very interesting. 1196 01:18:07,180 --> 01:18:15,180 And the problem with the developer's agreement, in my mind, is only that we don't see it until it's done. 1197 01:18:16,180 --> 01:18:21,180 And so, you know, I guess we want to, how do we stay informed along the way? 1198 01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:26,180 I mean, there's no obligation to us to be informed, Chris, but... 1199 01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:27,180 You're right. 1200 01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:31,180 You don't see it until it's done because it's not done until you approve it. 1201 01:18:31,180 --> 01:18:32,180 So you see a draft? 1202 01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:33,180 We see a draft. 1203 01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:35,180 We heard the concerns. 1204 01:18:35,180 --> 01:18:37,180 You look at it. 1205 01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:41,180 Obviously, we have to talk to the developer to negotiate that agreement. 1206 01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:45,180 And if it doesn't satisfy you, then you vote no. 1207 01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:47,180 And that's how it works. 1208 01:18:47,180 --> 01:18:54,180 And if you vote no and you don't approve a developer's agreement, then they cannot convince any construction. 1209 01:18:54,180 --> 01:19:01,180 Regardless of the plat, regardless of the rezone, our code says development agreement is required. 1210 01:19:01,180 --> 01:19:03,180 So that's what it is. 1211 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:10,180 You could see the draft and say, I don't like this, I don't like this, go back and change it. 1212 01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,180 Okay. 1213 01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:13,180 All right. 1214 01:19:13,180 --> 01:19:14,180 Well, I really think that... 1215 01:19:14,180 --> 01:19:20,180 And you actually have two kicks out at the plan commission level and at the board level. 1216 01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:24,180 Yes, I'm looking forward to that. 1217 01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:29,180 So, again, I think the developer's agreement is going to be really critical. 1218 01:19:29,180 --> 01:19:36,180 I think this is a very tough site because it does have a number of units in it. 1219 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:38,180 You know, it's 22 lots. 1220 01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:50,180 Once it's built out, it's amazing how once it's built and the roads are in, all the newness of it dissipates very quickly. 1221 01:19:50,180 --> 01:19:58,180 But Sunnyview Drive, it was meant to be a roadway that Explorer Drive connected to. 1222 01:19:58,180 --> 01:20:03,180 If we can't make it to the Haven connection, I get that. 1223 01:20:03,180 --> 01:20:19,180 But I don't see that there's a reason to deny the preliminary plat based on the discussion we're having because of the importance of those things being in the final plat and the developer's agreement. 1224 01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:21,180 And I don't know how they're going to overcome it. 1225 01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:32,180 I think they really need to show us that they've made an effort to try and make a connection down to a public right of way that is 66 feet wide, which would be Explorer Drive. 1226 01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:38,180 That to me is really the home run to give it multiple accesses and multiple ways in. 1227 01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:43,180 Temporary access somehow, you know, coming in another way. 1228 01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:44,180 I don't know. 1229 01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:57,180 That's, you know, these guys aren't going to be happy tearing out trees, but it's neither one of the, you know, to me. 1230 01:20:57,180 --> 01:21:07,180 Green Valley Drive that turn there going up into the, or going down south into the subdivision, it's a tricky turn and it's narrow pavement. 1231 01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:19,180 When you look at their asphalt, this roadway will be, the asphalt section will be wider than what they match up to in Green Valley. 1232 01:21:19,180 --> 01:21:21,180 So I have a procedural question. 1233 01:21:21,180 --> 01:21:27,180 If we approve this plat mat, what's the incentive to go back and rework it? 1234 01:21:27,180 --> 01:21:29,180 The incentive for the developer? 1235 01:21:29,180 --> 01:21:30,180 Right. 1236 01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:33,180 Because you want to approve a development agreement if they don't. 1237 01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:34,180 For the final. 1238 01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:36,180 For the final plat. 1239 01:21:36,180 --> 01:21:40,180 But what if we want them to rework it before the development agreement? 1240 01:21:40,180 --> 01:21:44,180 I mean, what if we don't want, like what we're seeing preliminarily? 1241 01:21:44,180 --> 01:21:47,180 Where would you, how would you like them to rework it? 1242 01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:51,180 That's what's to be determined, but not the way it is right now. 1243 01:21:51,180 --> 01:22:00,180 Is this, I'm just asking procedurally because I don't want something to happen where it starts, development starts, and it wasn't something that we approved. 1244 01:22:00,180 --> 01:22:04,180 Development can't start unless you, this board approves a development agreement. 1245 01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:06,180 And when would that happen? 1246 01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:16,180 Whenever the developer and the village representatives get to a point where we say, okay, this is something that will take to the board to consider. 1247 01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:20,180 Which would have to take this into effect. 1248 01:22:20,180 --> 01:22:24,180 And like Nancy said, maybe there is no way to solve it. 1249 01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:26,180 And then you don't approve it. 1250 01:22:26,180 --> 01:22:28,180 And that means the developer doesn't develop? 1251 01:22:28,180 --> 01:22:29,180 Correct. 1252 01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:34,180 Because they can't commence construction without a development agreement. 1253 01:22:34,180 --> 01:22:44,180 And the development agreement in my mind is the place, the appropriate place to deal with the issues that we've been debating tonight. 1254 01:22:45,180 --> 01:22:52,180 It's not a perfect thing, that's why it's a preliminary plat. 1255 01:22:52,180 --> 01:22:54,180 We know that it needs work. 1256 01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:55,180 Go ahead. 1257 01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:57,180 I just wanted to state the obvious here. 1258 01:22:57,180 --> 01:23:05,180 Like you said, this is a preliminary plat and I think the developer is now quite aware of the concerns of the neighbors. 1259 01:23:05,180 --> 01:23:12,180 And obviously this will not get passed by the board unless you meet the concerns of the neighbors and the concerns of the board members. 1260 01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:17,180 So it's a preliminary plat in order for the process to move forward, it has to be approved. 1261 01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:20,180 If I may chime in on that. 1262 01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:28,180 So final plats, the main kind of thing is if they substantially conform to the preliminary plat, you're obligated to approve them. 1263 01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:37,180 So like the onus is really on getting the preliminary plat very similar to what's going to be the final product plus whatever conditions. 1264 01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:45,180 So if you approve the preliminary plat and say I want A, B, C, D, E, F, then those are all conditions for the final plat to be approved. 1265 01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:54,180 But if you say I approve the preliminary plat as is and then the final plat comes in as is, you really got to come up with some really good reasons to be able to say no at that point. 1266 01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:57,180 And that is all beside the development agreement part. 1267 01:23:57,180 --> 01:23:58,180 Like that's separate. 1268 01:23:58,180 --> 01:23:59,180 That's a different thing. 1269 01:23:59,180 --> 01:24:01,180 That's Chris's ball game. 1270 01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:04,180 So you're saying that obligates us? 1271 01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:13,180 Yes, Wisconsin state law basically says that if you have a final plat that's before you, that is substantially conforming to the preliminary plat. 1272 01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:20,180 That this is chapter 236 by the way, substantially conforms to the preliminary plat approved. 1273 01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:25,180 It is basically obligated or expected approval. 1274 01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:33,180 And so your reasons for denying that would have to be kind of above and beyond normal stuff. 1275 01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:36,180 Right. 1276 01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:45,180 They cannot, according to our code, commence construction without a development agreement. 1277 01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:51,180 The development agreement would have to go through plan commission and get approved by the board. 1278 01:24:51,180 --> 01:25:02,180 Regardless of the plats, just so everybody's clear, I read the law from the code of ordinances. 1279 01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:04,180 I totally agree 100%. 1280 01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:13,180 I just was saying as far as the onus of whether or not to put the conditions or the hopes and dreams on the preliminary plat or wait, we just can't wait to the final plat to fix everything. 1281 01:25:13,180 --> 01:25:16,180 That's all I'm saying. 1282 01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:36,180 Well, I think if I were to add a condition, when I look at the conditions that were on the preliminary plat approval from the plan commission, I think I would add a condition to that approval then that would carry forward. 1283 01:25:36,180 --> 01:26:00,180 That would state that the developer needs to explore the possibility of purchasing the additional lands from the southerly abutting property owner in order to potentially make a second connection on a public road right of way into the development. 1284 01:26:01,180 --> 01:26:13,180 I think that the 18 foot access, which the developer apparently agreed to at the plan commission to using that for construction. 1285 01:26:13,180 --> 01:26:17,180 So you made a commitment to that at a previous meeting. 1286 01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:28,180 And I don't know if you want the people to come in on the Kingston Way condo driveway and then go up the 18 feet, you know, through lot two or three. 1287 01:26:28,180 --> 01:26:36,180 Or you're going to tear down trees that are in between these two gentlemen's home and move a telephone pole to use that 18 feet. 1288 01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:39,180 But you made the comment and the commitment. 1289 01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:41,180 So. 1290 01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:07,180 Well, but there's there's there's already a neighborhood transportation plan that's been in place that shows all those connections. 1291 01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:18,180 So, you know, the fact that that this happens to have some idiosyncrasies to it doesn't negate the fact that we have to try and solve the problem. 1292 01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:30,180 So again, that I would be adding that commit that condition that they that we would want to know that they've explored negotiations with the property owner to the south because that property owner has in writing. 1293 01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:34,180 Let the village know that they would be interested in potentially selling. 1294 01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:38,180 Okay, so I have a clerk trying to keep minutes straight. 1295 01:27:38,180 --> 01:27:44,180 And I think the board probably likes your idea of that amendment. 1296 01:27:44,180 --> 01:27:53,180 The motion that's in front of us, we can, I think, politely amend if we have consensus on the board. 1297 01:27:53,180 --> 01:27:54,180 Not consensus. 1298 01:27:54,180 --> 01:27:56,180 No objections. 1299 01:27:56,180 --> 01:27:58,180 Mr. President. 1300 01:27:58,180 --> 01:28:03,180 And again, that's why, you know, we started discussion, but based on everything I've heard, 1301 01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:04,180 I believe. 1302 01:28:04,180 --> 01:28:07,180 And I'm going to ask a question to a returning. 1303 01:28:07,180 --> 01:28:16,180 Perhaps we could amend the motion saying is we preliminary plan approval subject to the development agreement. 1304 01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:17,180 Because that's. 1305 01:28:17,180 --> 01:28:19,180 Well, that's what the law already says. 1306 01:28:19,180 --> 01:28:20,180 That's the law. 1307 01:28:20,180 --> 01:28:22,180 So my question is. 1308 01:28:22,180 --> 01:28:25,180 If that's what the law says, I'm working with that. 1309 01:28:25,180 --> 01:28:29,180 But if there's any gray area, I don't mind for that condition. 1310 01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:32,180 Because otherwise, we have too many questions. 1311 01:28:32,180 --> 01:28:37,180 We're not going to be able to answer tonight or even back at the clinic commission. 1312 01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:40,180 So I like that idea that the. 1313 01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:45,180 Even if we approve it without the development agreement. 1314 01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:48,180 This project will not move forward. 1315 01:28:48,180 --> 01:28:50,180 So again. 1316 01:28:50,180 --> 01:28:57,180 So what we're looking for rhymes is, are you willing to do you have any objection. 1317 01:28:58,180 --> 01:29:03,180 To amending your motion to approve the preliminary plat. 1318 01:29:03,180 --> 01:29:07,180 Which already takes into account plan commission conditions. 1319 01:29:07,180 --> 01:29:12,180 Adding the condition that they need to show us that they have. 1320 01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:16,180 Made an attempt to negotiate with the property owner to the south. 1321 01:29:16,180 --> 01:29:19,180 In order to gain another access. 1322 01:29:19,180 --> 01:29:22,180 The developers agreements a final plat. 1323 01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:25,180 It's tied to final plat no matter what. 1324 01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:28,180 You don't have a developers agreement with a preliminary plat. 1325 01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:30,180 I will answer a question. 1326 01:29:30,180 --> 01:29:31,180 I don't have any problem. 1327 01:29:31,180 --> 01:29:32,180 I don't have any objection to that. 1328 01:29:32,180 --> 01:29:35,180 But I'm not sure that's going to answer all the question. 1329 01:29:35,180 --> 01:29:37,180 Because even if we do that. 1330 01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:41,180 There might be some other question because you know, you mentioned a lot too. 1331 01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:42,180 It could be access from that. 1332 01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:46,180 So that's why I believe that I like the idea of our attorney that. 1333 01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:48,180 The development agreement. 1334 01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:50,180 Without that approval. 1335 01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:52,180 This project will not move. 1336 01:29:53,180 --> 01:29:55,180 So again, I don't have any objection to it. 1337 01:29:55,180 --> 01:29:58,180 But I feel more comfortable to. 1338 01:29:58,180 --> 01:30:03,180 Just for the sake of the. 1339 01:30:03,180 --> 01:30:05,180 That everyone all the residents. 1340 01:30:05,180 --> 01:30:06,180 Everyone know that. 1341 01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:10,180 It project will not move forward without the development agreement. 1342 01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:14,180 Although we have heard multiple times, you know, from Chris. 1343 01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:15,180 That that's a lot. 1344 01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:20,180 So I feel even more comfortable just to say preliminary plat. 1345 01:30:21,180 --> 01:30:27,180 I don't want to be buying just one more condition and then three more conditions come out. 1346 01:30:27,180 --> 01:30:34,180 Just we don't. 1347 01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:35,180 Proceed, Julie. 1348 01:30:35,180 --> 01:30:36,180 Okay. 1349 01:30:36,180 --> 01:30:41,180 When there's a motion and a second generally speaking, that's what you have to vote on. 1350 01:30:41,180 --> 01:30:49,180 However, Robert's rules of order says that for small governing bodies, which we qualify, you can deviate from those rules. 1351 01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:57,180 So historically, if someone makes a motion and a second. 1352 01:30:57,180 --> 01:31:01,180 But the whole board agrees we can make an amendment to it. 1353 01:31:01,180 --> 01:31:02,180 We do that. 1354 01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:05,180 So Nancy. 1355 01:31:05,180 --> 01:31:08,180 Ask to amend your motion. 1356 01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:11,180 Rahm answered with the different kind of amendment. 1357 01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:12,180 It sounds like to me. 1358 01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:13,180 Yeah. 1359 01:31:13,180 --> 01:31:14,180 That's what I'm not. 1360 01:31:14,180 --> 01:31:17,180 So well, I think. 1361 01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:23,180 We either need to agree all on one amendment or just vote on this motion as it's stated. 1362 01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:30,180 Well, the other way you can do it would be for Nancy to add as a motion and amendment. 1363 01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:35,180 We vote her motion and then we come back to the main motion. 1364 01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:40,180 Well, but if everybody agrees, there's no need to do it that way. 1365 01:31:40,180 --> 01:31:41,180 You know what I mean? 1366 01:31:41,180 --> 01:31:42,180 Sure. 1367 01:31:42,180 --> 01:31:53,180 Nancy, would your amendment be fair to say add a condition that the developer has to attempt to say it again? 1368 01:31:53,180 --> 01:32:04,180 Enter into negotiations with the property owner abutting to the south who has expressed interest in selling the rear of their property to allow access to explore or drive. 1369 01:32:04,180 --> 01:32:13,180 And then also as an additional amendment, would you agree to say this is conditional approval of the development agreement? 1370 01:32:13,180 --> 01:32:16,180 Yes, I'd be willing to add the approval of the developer's agreement. 1371 01:32:16,180 --> 01:32:21,180 It's not part of preliminary process typically, but we can add it to this. 1372 01:32:21,180 --> 01:32:24,180 Does anyone object to that? 1373 01:32:25,180 --> 01:32:44,180 I'm concerned about the obligation piece that Robin said because I don't want to be on record approving this preliminary plait map and then nothing changes and then be via that, then we have to approve it. 1374 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:50,180 Then the onus and the burden is on us to come up with all these reasons. 1375 01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:54,180 It doesn't sound like there's a lot of latitude there and that's what my concern is. 1376 01:32:54,180 --> 01:33:00,180 It feels like the train is going and we're not going to be able to stop the train if we approve this. 1377 01:33:00,180 --> 01:33:01,180 That's my concern. 1378 01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:02,180 Okay. 1379 01:33:02,180 --> 01:33:07,180 Well, it sounds like we do not have unanimous agreement on the amendment, so you've got to vote on the original motion. 1380 01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:10,180 And if you have concerns, you vote no. 1381 01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:11,180 Okay. 1382 01:33:11,180 --> 01:33:16,180 So, having heard a robust discussion, I'll call the question. 1383 01:33:16,180 --> 01:33:19,180 No, we can't add the amendment. 1384 01:33:19,180 --> 01:33:21,180 No, you just questioned it. 1385 01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:23,180 You just disagree with it. 1386 01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:28,180 So we need to have agreement from everybody in order to change the motion. 1387 01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:34,180 And I understand your concern with the train being, you know, the horse and the barn and the train. 1388 01:33:34,180 --> 01:33:39,180 The bottom line is that this property is rightfully zoned RL. 1389 01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:41,180 It's residential. 1390 01:33:41,180 --> 01:33:47,180 Within that residential zoning, a preliminary plan is a requirement is the next step. 1391 01:33:47,180 --> 01:33:52,180 The preliminary plan that they're showing us is reasonable, quite honestly. 1392 01:33:52,180 --> 01:34:01,180 The fact is that we have a whole neighborhood that turned out here that says we don't want this construction traffic going through our property. 1393 01:34:01,180 --> 01:34:02,180 Right. 1394 01:34:02,180 --> 01:34:07,180 The bottom line is that Green Valley Drive is a public road ride. 1395 01:34:08,180 --> 01:34:15,180 So we're trying to do everything we can as a board to protect the people that are residents living there that have reached out to us. 1396 01:34:15,180 --> 01:34:16,180 Right. 1397 01:34:16,180 --> 01:34:24,180 But there's going to be a point where legally the developer is going to have rights. 1398 01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:31,180 If we approve the zoning, what would be your reason for not approving the preliminary plan? 1399 01:34:31,180 --> 01:34:33,180 It meets the code for size. 1400 01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:36,180 It meets the code for the type of project. 1401 01:34:36,180 --> 01:34:39,180 It has show stormwater management ponds. 1402 01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:45,180 So, unfortunately, as a plan to deny it would be, I think, even more consequences. 1403 01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:49,180 Well, it's the access road for all the construction trucks. 1404 01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:51,180 That's what the concern is. 1405 01:34:51,180 --> 01:34:52,180 Gina. 1406 01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:55,180 If I could just interrupt for you for a second. 1407 01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:57,180 I was following Nancy. 1408 01:34:57,180 --> 01:34:59,180 Nancy proposed an amendment. 1409 01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:01,180 Are you good at the amendment or not? 1410 01:35:02,180 --> 01:35:03,180 I'm good with the amendment. 1411 01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:04,180 But how do you enforce that? 1412 01:35:04,180 --> 01:35:06,180 You're just saying negotiations started. 1413 01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:07,180 What does that mean? 1414 01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:09,180 Writing a purchase offer? 1415 01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:10,180 What does that mean? 1416 01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:14,180 It means, well, it means that they had to show us that it made some kind of effort. 1417 01:35:14,180 --> 01:35:16,180 Like a phone call? 1418 01:35:16,180 --> 01:35:17,180 What does that mean? 1419 01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:18,180 A phone call and effort? 1420 01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:26,180 If it means, if we could stipulate, makes a purchase offer, a concerted contractual offer, then that's got some more teeth than just a phone call. 1421 01:35:26,180 --> 01:35:27,180 But I don't know. 1422 01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:30,180 You are putting the cart way before the horse. 1423 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:32,180 So I'm just going to ask you one last time. 1424 01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:34,180 Are you going to support the amendment? 1425 01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:36,180 I'll support the amendment. 1426 01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:37,180 Okay. 1427 01:35:37,180 --> 01:35:40,180 So then we've got a complete support of that. 1428 01:35:40,180 --> 01:35:42,180 Do you have that all written down? 1429 01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:44,180 Nancy's amendment? 1430 01:35:44,180 --> 01:35:45,180 Jill? 1431 01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:46,180 Yes. 1432 01:35:46,180 --> 01:35:47,180 And we also have it on recording. 1433 01:35:47,180 --> 01:35:48,180 Okay. 1434 01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:50,180 So the motioner is okay with that. 1435 01:35:50,180 --> 01:35:53,180 The seconder is okay with that, right? 1436 01:35:53,180 --> 01:35:54,180 Okay. 1437 01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:55,180 Everybody's okay. 1438 01:35:55,180 --> 01:35:56,180 Okay. 1439 01:35:56,180 --> 01:36:04,180 So now I'm going to call the question on the main vote regarding the preliminary plan approval. 1440 01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:07,180 Roll call. 1441 01:36:07,180 --> 01:36:08,180 Caris? 1442 01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:09,180 Aye. 1443 01:36:09,180 --> 01:36:10,180 Ventrini? 1444 01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:11,180 Aye. 1445 01:36:11,180 --> 01:36:12,180 Batia? 1446 01:36:12,180 --> 01:36:13,180 Aye. 1447 01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:14,180 Washburn? 1448 01:36:14,180 --> 01:36:15,180 Aye. 1449 01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:16,180 Pollock? 1450 01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:17,180 Aye. 1451 01:36:17,180 --> 01:36:18,180 DeGroote? 1452 01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:19,180 Aye. 1453 01:36:19,180 --> 01:36:20,180 That motion carries. 1454 01:36:20,180 --> 01:36:21,180 Okay. 1455 01:36:22,180 --> 01:36:23,180 Okay. 1456 01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:24,180 We're going to keep going. 1457 01:36:24,180 --> 01:36:26,180 Trustee Botch is just to choose himself for a few minutes. 1458 01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:27,180 Okay. 1459 01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:33,180 So we've got public hearing now regarding ordinance 6-2026, Zoning Map amendment for Giddings Road 1460 01:36:33,180 --> 01:36:35,180 and Hoods Creek. 1461 01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:38,180 ZMA 26-3. 1462 01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:45,180 Again, same rules apply for the public hearing. 1463 01:36:46,180 --> 01:36:51,180 But let's have the discussion from Robin. 1464 01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:54,180 I'll give 20 seconds for the gallery. 1465 01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:55,180 Is that okay? 1466 01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:56,180 That's fine. 1467 01:36:56,180 --> 01:36:59,180 Yeah, let's wait a few minutes for everybody to be excused. 1468 01:37:00,180 --> 01:37:06,180 That's going to be a turn point because we can't deny it because we can't get another 1469 01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:07,180 access. 1470 01:37:07,180 --> 01:37:08,180 We can't. 1471 01:37:08,180 --> 01:37:09,180 They have Layla. 1472 01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:14,180 I'm just going to go to something like this and the only thing that's safe to pay over 1473 01:37:14,180 --> 01:37:17,180 the dollar is that we're supposed to be prior to this. 1474 01:37:17,180 --> 01:37:21,180 We're going to be prior to this and they grant us access. 1475 01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:26,180 Over the winter we were building it over the winter so they said fine, we don't have 1476 01:37:26,180 --> 01:37:33,180 a farm stamp. 1477 01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:40,180 And so we want to have a support by foundation. 1478 01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:45,180 It's going to be off. 1479 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:49,180 It's going to be off. 1480 01:37:49,180 --> 01:38:03,180 Okay, Robin. 1481 01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:04,180 Okay. 1482 01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:05,180 Okay. 1483 01:38:05,180 --> 01:38:07,180 Thank you, Mr. President. 1484 01:38:07,180 --> 01:38:14,180 So this is Creekville Lane and Hoods Creek path zoning map amendments ZMA 26-03. 1485 01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:18,180 This is also attached to a subdivision plat. 1486 01:38:18,180 --> 01:38:25,180 The applicant, Jeff Bakke, applied to amend the zoning map for approximately 10.685 acres 1487 01:38:25,180 --> 01:38:30,180 of this partials from AG2 which general agriculture to RL loaded the residential. 1488 01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:36,180 The rezoning area corresponds with the settlement of Hoods Creek Edition 6 which is being reviewed 1489 01:38:36,180 --> 01:38:38,180 as companion final plat. 1490 01:38:38,180 --> 01:38:43,180 The proposed final plat creates 16 asterisk. 1491 01:38:43,180 --> 01:38:48,180 The residential lots and out lot 12 are on the extension of Creekville Lane and Arden Road. 1492 01:38:48,180 --> 01:38:53,180 The zoning map amendment would place the edition 6 final plat area into the RL district before 1493 01:38:53,180 --> 01:38:56,180 final plat recording. 1494 01:38:56,180 --> 01:39:03,180 So, you know, the final plat has some relics relating to the RL1 zoning district which was 1495 01:39:03,180 --> 01:39:07,180 amended in 2025 to be just RL. 1496 01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:11,180 Those need to be revised. 1497 01:39:11,180 --> 01:39:18,180 So this is up in the sort of central north area of the village. 1498 01:39:18,180 --> 01:39:26,180 This is a continuation of the subdivision that has been under construction for a long time. 1499 01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:34,180 So, and this, one of the plan commission reviewed this and the only matter of concern was one 1500 01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:40,180 particular lot which is over the width allowance for the RL district. 1501 01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:49,180 So the condition is either for that lot to be split in order to meet that requirement or 1502 01:39:49,180 --> 01:39:55,180 for an administrative adjustment to be applied for to be approved by the community development 1503 01:39:55,180 --> 01:39:59,180 director to allow for the slight overage. 1504 01:39:59,180 --> 01:40:01,180 The lot is weird. 1505 01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:03,180 It's like a, it looks actually like a house. 1506 01:40:03,180 --> 01:40:06,180 It's a pentagon and it's just too wide. 1507 01:40:06,180 --> 01:40:13,180 And it's almost an acre which is the upper limit of the RL zoning district. 1508 01:40:13,180 --> 01:40:22,180 So other than that, everything was approved and the plan commission and village staff 1509 01:40:22,180 --> 01:40:26,180 recommend approval of this subdivision plat. 1510 01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:27,180 Thank you. 1511 01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:28,180 Oh, sorry. 1512 01:40:28,180 --> 01:40:29,180 Zoning map amendment. 1513 01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:30,180 This is the zoning. 1514 01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:31,180 Oh my gosh. 1515 01:40:31,180 --> 01:40:32,180 Everything. 1516 01:40:32,180 --> 01:40:33,180 I'm all discombobulated. 1517 01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:35,180 This is just the zoning map amendment. 1518 01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:36,180 So this is discussion on that. 1519 01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:38,180 So it's an amendment to RL. 1520 01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:40,180 Everything else is RL around there. 1521 01:40:40,180 --> 01:40:42,180 There is some RE properties, but those are for legit. 1522 01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:48,180 It may lead to two to three acre quasi agricultural properties. 1523 01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:49,180 Okay. 1524 01:40:49,180 --> 01:40:55,180 So I'll open up the public hearing regarding ordinance six dash 2026. 1525 01:40:55,180 --> 01:40:59,180 ZMA 26 dash three. 1526 01:41:00,180 --> 01:41:05,180 I have nobody signed up on this one. 1527 01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:10,180 Anybody in chambers here wanting to speak on this one? 1528 01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:11,180 No. 1529 01:41:11,180 --> 01:41:12,180 Going once going twice. 1530 01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:22,180 So we can close public hearing on that and discuss and then possible motion regarding 1531 01:41:22,180 --> 01:41:23,180 that. 1532 01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:30,180 Just that we did have one comment in the email conversation between us, DBW and the developer 1533 01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:32,180 about storm water and road access. 1534 01:41:32,180 --> 01:41:36,180 And that was answered much to the resident satisfaction. 1535 01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:38,180 So thumbs up on that. 1536 01:41:38,180 --> 01:41:39,180 Okay. 1537 01:41:39,180 --> 01:41:40,180 Do you have motion? 1538 01:41:40,180 --> 01:41:46,180 Mr. President, I make a motion to approve ordinance six dash 2026 for the zoning map amendment 1539 01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:49,180 on Creekview Lane and the Woods Creek path. 1540 01:41:49,180 --> 01:41:50,180 Second. 1541 01:41:51,180 --> 01:41:53,180 I have motion and a second from the board's perspective. 1542 01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:54,180 Any discussion? 1543 01:41:54,180 --> 01:41:57,180 Any questions for Robin? 1544 01:41:57,180 --> 01:41:59,180 Robin's got a question for Robin. 1545 01:41:59,180 --> 01:42:05,180 I didn't hear subject to the condition from from Rob. 1546 01:42:05,180 --> 01:42:09,180 The subject of the conditions as presented. 1547 01:42:09,180 --> 01:42:10,180 Sorry. 1548 01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:13,180 I just had had that one was added from playing commission. 1549 01:42:13,180 --> 01:42:15,180 That's why I wanted to make sure. 1550 01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:16,180 Yes. 1551 01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:17,180 My mistake. 1552 01:42:17,180 --> 01:42:18,180 Yeah. 1553 01:42:19,180 --> 01:42:20,180 Okay. 1554 01:42:20,180 --> 01:42:21,180 Any other questions? 1555 01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:22,180 All right. 1556 01:42:22,180 --> 01:42:25,180 So on this one, again, roll call vote. 1557 01:42:25,180 --> 01:42:26,180 Caris. 1558 01:42:26,180 --> 01:42:27,180 Ben Trini. 1559 01:42:27,180 --> 01:42:28,180 Aye. 1560 01:42:28,180 --> 01:42:29,180 Batia. 1561 01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:30,180 Aye. 1562 01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:31,180 Washburn. 1563 01:42:31,180 --> 01:42:32,180 Aye. 1564 01:42:32,180 --> 01:42:33,180 Pollock. 1565 01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:34,180 Aye. 1566 01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:35,180 DeGroote. 1567 01:42:35,180 --> 01:42:36,180 Aye. 1568 01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:37,180 Emotion. 1569 01:42:37,180 --> 01:42:38,180 Caris. 1570 01:42:38,180 --> 01:42:41,180 Let's go down to discussion. 1571 01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:42,180 The discussion. 1572 01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:55,180 Possible motion regarding settlement at Hood's Creek edition and final flat for SFP 26-0002. 1573 01:42:55,180 --> 01:42:57,180 Creekview Lane. 1574 01:42:57,180 --> 01:42:59,180 All right. 1575 01:42:59,180 --> 01:43:00,180 Same thing. 1576 01:43:00,180 --> 01:43:01,180 Here's the actual subdivision map. 1577 01:43:01,180 --> 01:43:04,180 You can see the lot that I was talking about. 1578 01:43:04,180 --> 01:43:09,180 It's that sort of big house shape one right at the top that's on the intersection of those 1579 01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:10,180 two lanes. 1580 01:43:10,180 --> 01:43:16,180 I don't think anything else meets the RL1 standards and it substantially complies with the preliminary 1581 01:43:16,180 --> 01:43:20,180 plat that was approved by the village board in 2024. 1582 01:43:20,180 --> 01:43:27,180 I will just say a happy note that the developers have said that they are continuing forward 1583 01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:31,180 earlier than expected because home cells are stronger than expected. 1584 01:43:31,180 --> 01:43:38,180 So that is great news and we look forward to getting more homes. 1585 01:43:39,180 --> 01:43:45,180 Mr. President, I make a motion to approve the settlement at Hood's Creek edition number 1586 01:43:45,180 --> 01:43:52,180 six final plot sub division final sub division plot subject to the recommendation containing 1587 01:43:52,180 --> 01:43:53,180 the report. 1588 01:43:53,180 --> 01:43:54,180 Second. 1589 01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:57,180 So I hear a motion and a second. 1590 01:43:57,180 --> 01:44:01,180 Any further discussion from the board or questions for Robin? 1591 01:44:01,180 --> 01:44:03,180 I just have one quick comment. 1592 01:44:03,180 --> 01:44:07,180 I hope that you guys, you know that lot 138. 1593 01:44:08,180 --> 01:44:15,180 All these lots are pretty much the same as when the, you know, when the, this was originally 1594 01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:21,180 designed years and 25 years ago and lot 138. 1595 01:44:21,180 --> 01:44:24,180 I can't dividing it in half to me. 1596 01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:27,180 Just I wonder how the heck you're going to place anything on that. 1597 01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:30,180 So I hope you don't push that too far. 1598 01:44:30,180 --> 01:44:34,180 I hope if it has to stay, it may be too big, but it's okay. 1599 01:44:34,180 --> 01:44:36,180 I mean, yeah. 1600 01:44:37,180 --> 01:44:38,180 I hope so. 1601 01:44:38,180 --> 01:44:39,180 I can't even imagine dividing it. 1602 01:44:39,180 --> 01:44:40,180 I hope so. 1603 01:44:40,180 --> 01:44:41,180 Those are nice big house. 1604 01:44:41,180 --> 01:44:42,180 And they will. 1605 01:44:42,180 --> 01:44:44,180 That's the biggest house in the subdivision. 1606 01:44:44,180 --> 01:44:46,180 I'm not going to lose any sleep out of it. 1607 01:44:46,180 --> 01:44:48,180 Either way, we just got to process. 1608 01:44:48,180 --> 01:44:49,180 They got to do. 1609 01:44:49,180 --> 01:44:50,180 That's all. 1610 01:44:50,180 --> 01:44:51,180 All right. 1611 01:44:51,180 --> 01:44:54,180 Fair enough. 1612 01:44:54,180 --> 01:44:55,180 Roll call vote. 1613 01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:56,180 Caris. 1614 01:44:56,180 --> 01:44:57,180 Ventrini. 1615 01:44:57,180 --> 01:44:58,180 Aye. 1616 01:44:58,180 --> 01:44:59,180 Batia. 1617 01:44:59,180 --> 01:45:00,180 Aye. 1618 01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:01,180 Washburn. 1619 01:45:01,180 --> 01:45:02,180 Aye. 1620 01:45:02,180 --> 01:45:03,180 Pollock. 1621 01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:04,180 Aye. 1622 01:45:04,180 --> 01:45:05,180 DeGroote. 1623 01:45:06,180 --> 01:45:10,180 We have nothing else on the agenda, so I'm good for one last motion. 1624 01:45:10,180 --> 01:45:14,180 Move to adjourn. 1625 01:45:14,180 --> 01:45:16,180 Got a motion and a second to adjourn. 1626 01:45:16,180 --> 01:45:18,180 All in favor signify by saying aye. 1627 01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:19,180 Aye. 1628 01:45:19,180 --> 01:45:20,180 We stand adjourned. 1629 01:45:20,180 --> 01:45:21,180 Thank you very much.