WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.000 Start the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:02.000 --> 00:05.000 Pledge of Allegiance. 00:05.000 --> 00:09.000 This is one matter of the United States of America. 00:09.000 --> 00:12.000 We're meant to be republic for which it stands. 00:12.000 --> 00:17.000 One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:17.000 --> 00:26.000 Okay, a roll call to supervisors. 00:26.000 --> 00:47.000 18, cool. 00:47.000 --> 00:49.000 There he is. 00:49.000 --> 00:51.000 19, supervisors are present. 00:51.000 --> 00:57.000 Supervisors, Brown, Clonia, Franco, and Morris, they are excused. 00:57.000 --> 01:01.000 Okay, tonight's youth in governance here are Bruno Gonzalez, 01:01.000 --> 01:05.000 alternate, and Samuel Sheen from finance administration. 01:05.000 --> 01:06.000 Thank you. 01:06.000 --> 01:11.000 Thank you. 01:11.000 --> 01:13.000 Okay, citizens comments. 01:13.000 --> 01:17.000 Are there any citizens who would like to comment tonight? 01:17.000 --> 01:20.000 Any citizens who would like to comment? 01:20.000 --> 01:21.000 Any citizens? 01:21.000 --> 01:24.000 See no citizens, citizens comments are closed. 01:24.000 --> 01:27.000 Announcements of the chair. 01:27.000 --> 01:31.000 I don't think I have anything to announce at this time. 01:31.000 --> 01:34.000 Supervisor reports. 01:34.000 --> 01:37.000 Supervisor Noodle. 01:37.000 --> 01:39.000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 01:39.000 --> 01:45.000 I move to discharge the finance committee from further consideration of my motion. 01:45.000 --> 01:54.000 I'm division ed and I study to be placed on the next board agenda. 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 Second. 01:56.000 --> 02:01.000 Seconded by supervisor Lux. 02:01.000 --> 02:03.000 Court council, did you want to? 02:03.000 --> 02:04.000 Sure. 02:04.000 --> 02:06.000 Briefly, the motion is in order. 02:06.000 --> 02:09.000 It's a motion to remove something from a committee. 02:09.000 --> 02:11.000 Bring it to the board floor. 02:11.000 --> 02:15.000 If the majority of the board is in favor of so doing requires a second, 02:15.000 --> 02:18.000 which it got, it is debatable, and would require a majority vote. 02:18.000 --> 02:27.000 If majority supports the motion, then the matter would be scheduled on the next board agenda. 02:27.000 --> 02:28.000 So we are open for debate. 02:28.000 --> 02:30.000 Supervisor Gray. 02:30.000 --> 02:32.000 I'm sorry. 02:32.000 --> 02:34.000 I think you know. 02:34.000 --> 02:35.000 Sorry. 02:35.000 --> 02:36.000 Supervisor Noodle. 02:36.000 --> 02:37.000 Sorry. 02:37.000 --> 02:38.000 Thank you. 02:38.000 --> 02:39.000 All right. 02:39.000 --> 02:50.000 This resolution was brought in to change from going back in 1996. 02:50.000 --> 03:00.000 It was that the division ed and the department ed were sorry. 03:01.000 --> 03:16.000 The division ed was to be brought up in order to be discharged to the board floor and vote on it. 03:16.000 --> 03:25.000 Then back in 2022, that was changed and it passed and I know there were some comments. 03:25.000 --> 03:29.000 In fact, just to refresh my memory, the last couple of days I went to look at the videos 03:29.000 --> 03:31.000 from that time. 03:31.000 --> 03:38.000 And some supervisors, which they're on this board right now, and including me, 03:38.000 --> 03:42.000 would say that we were going to do it maybe like in a trial base for a couple years, 03:42.000 --> 03:45.000 see how that worked. 03:45.000 --> 03:53.000 Going in the future then, back in 2022, one supervisor brought in to change it back to what it was 03:54.000 --> 03:58.000 because we didn't believe that it was working. 03:58.000 --> 04:00.000 It went through finance committee. 04:00.000 --> 04:05.000 It passed that the finance committee came to the county board and it passed on the vote 04:05.000 --> 04:11.000 of 13 tonight when one supervisor excused. 04:11.000 --> 04:18.000 And the next day, the county executive veto the resolution. 04:18.000 --> 04:20.000 So that's why we're back at that. 04:20.000 --> 04:24.000 So now I felt it was time to bring it back again. 04:24.000 --> 04:27.000 I think we should go back to what we were. 04:27.000 --> 04:29.000 It works a lot better. 04:29.000 --> 04:32.000 It's for the people working there. 04:32.000 --> 04:40.000 They're from more comfortable knowing that it's not going to be just for politics or whatever, 04:40.000 --> 04:46.000 which, by the way, I'm not insinuating anything right now, but it's something that can happen. 04:46.000 --> 04:53.000 If someone doesn't like someone because let's face it, it's politics and they just change 04:53.000 --> 04:54.000 it. 04:54.000 --> 05:00.000 And from one supervisor, which I don't think is here now, but it did speak in committee 05:00.000 --> 05:11.000 saying that the first of seven, eight years, there was a couple people to lower and then 05:11.000 --> 05:19.000 the two years after we changed this year, they would have made a list as many as ten 05:19.000 --> 05:26.000 people that either left for whatever reason, neither forcefully, whatever reason. 05:26.000 --> 05:32.000 But it was ten of them that left and they felt that they can not really do what they're supposed 05:32.000 --> 05:40.000 to do because they're afraid that if they said the wrong word, then they could be something 05:40.000 --> 05:41.000 against them. 05:41.000 --> 05:42.000 Thank you. 05:42.000 --> 05:45.000 Thank you, supervisor Nudo. 05:45.000 --> 05:48.000 Supervisor Gray, you had your line. 05:48.000 --> 05:53.000 I actually hit my button for a comment, so supervisor report wasn't OK. 05:53.000 --> 05:54.000 Sorry. 05:54.000 --> 05:55.000 Supervisor Balski. 05:55.000 --> 06:04.000 Through the chair to supervisor Nudo, have any department heads been fired since 2022? 06:05.000 --> 06:11.000 I'm sure if they've been fired, but I know a lot of them, they're left. 06:11.000 --> 06:15.000 But isn't this specifically for firing? 06:15.000 --> 06:21.000 I don't need people's mind, but a lot of them, that's what, but again, it's not something 06:21.000 --> 06:23.000 that I can substantiate with anything. 06:23.000 --> 06:28.000 But there were people that were working for the county for years and years and years, and 06:28.000 --> 06:33.000 then all of a sudden they left, whether they were. 06:34.000 --> 06:37.000 Well, without due respect, I'll have a point of order. 06:37.000 --> 06:38.000 Supervisor Robinson. 06:38.000 --> 06:39.000 Point of order. 06:39.000 --> 06:43.000 This is the, I believe the resolution that he's discussing has to do with division heads, 06:43.000 --> 06:44.000 not department heads. 06:44.000 --> 06:45.000 Division heads. 06:45.000 --> 06:46.000 Okay. 06:46.000 --> 06:49.000 And so it's department heads and then the division heads. 06:49.000 --> 06:51.000 And so before. 06:51.000 --> 06:53.000 Can you speak on a microphone? 06:53.000 --> 06:54.000 Before. 06:54.000 --> 07:02.000 It's my understanding that before it was changed in 2022, the division, the department heads 07:02.000 --> 07:05.000 served at the pleasure of the county executive. 07:05.000 --> 07:11.000 But the division heads were employees, the regular employees. 07:11.000 --> 07:19.000 And in 2022, it changed to have the division heads also serve at the pleasure of the county 07:19.000 --> 07:20.000 executive. 07:20.000 --> 07:26.000 And so I believe that Supervisor Nudo is trying to bring it back to a discussion at the board 07:26.000 --> 07:32.000 of whether the next level down, the division heads should also serve at the pleasure of 07:32.000 --> 07:37.200 the county executive, or whether they should be considered regular employees like everything 07:37.200 --> 07:38.200 else. 07:38.200 --> 07:40.000 So it's, there is a big difference. 07:40.000 --> 07:44.400 I just wanted to clarify that because I'm hearing the words used interchangeably and I don't 07:44.400 --> 07:45.400 believe they should be. 07:45.400 --> 07:46.400 Okay. 07:46.400 --> 07:47.400 Thank you, Supervisor Robinson. 07:47.400 --> 07:51.840 So I'll go back to my original question through the Chair and Supervisor Nudo. 07:51.840 --> 07:59.480 Have any division heads been fired since 2022? 07:59.480 --> 08:04.160 You have been on the board since 22 also, Supervisor Balski. 08:04.160 --> 08:10.680 And so I guess you know, the answer just as well, I do well, and I guess you should know 08:10.680 --> 08:15.720 that about the list and people left, but fired is different for them. 08:15.720 --> 08:16.720 Tell us. 08:16.720 --> 08:19.080 Did they tell you that they take a fire or that they left? 08:19.080 --> 08:20.080 They didn't tell me. 08:20.080 --> 08:21.960 So I'm not going to say anything. 08:21.960 --> 08:28.360 What I say is what I know that it's true, unless what some supervisor want to question 08:28.360 --> 08:30.480 me saying that it's not true. 08:30.480 --> 08:31.480 Okay. 08:31.480 --> 08:44.160 With all, with all due respect, I'm focused on the specific resolution that says that 08:44.160 --> 08:51.960 division heads will report to the exit, the county executive. 08:51.960 --> 08:55.000 To my knowledge, no one has been fired. 08:55.000 --> 09:01.320 Now that's much different than somebody quitting, and I can't get into why people would leave 09:01.320 --> 09:06.080 because I didn't have exit interviews with them, but with all due respect, I'm going 09:06.080 --> 09:11.160 to vote no on this because I don't believe that anybody was fired. 09:11.160 --> 09:14.200 Thank you, Supervisor Belsky. 09:14.200 --> 09:15.200 Supervisor Gibson. 09:15.200 --> 09:17.000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 09:17.000 --> 09:23.080 This failed in our committee and this policy that allows this to come back to the full 09:23.080 --> 09:29.120 board where the majority was one that I actually proposed when we were going through our rules 09:29.120 --> 09:30.120 process. 09:30.120 --> 09:31.480 And I agree with this policy. 09:31.480 --> 09:37.400 I think it's a good policy, but I'm going to be voting no on this action tonight. 09:37.400 --> 09:39.040 We killed it in committee. 09:39.040 --> 09:44.600 I waved my file in the air and talked to everyone at committee, and I said, if there's 09:44.600 --> 09:49.720 any one that would like to discuss this with me, I'm happy to do it, but I didn't want 09:49.720 --> 09:54.800 to spend the time in committee at the time, but I haven't heard one argument in favor 09:54.800 --> 09:56.640 of this that holds any water. 09:56.640 --> 10:02.760 I could go through 30 of them tonight and debunk all the arguments, but at will is a 10:02.760 --> 10:08.360 better policy for the county, and I'll be voting no to bring this back under our rules 10:08.360 --> 10:12.480 that permit this to come back, but I need to agenda with a majority of 12. 10:12.480 --> 10:14.240 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 10:14.240 --> 10:16.040 Thank you, Supervisor Gibson. 10:16.040 --> 10:18.720 Any more discussion? 10:18.720 --> 10:19.720 Any more discussion? 10:19.720 --> 10:20.720 All right. 10:20.720 --> 10:25.360 Seeing more, no other discussion, we ask there's a roll call vote asked for? 10:25.360 --> 10:26.360 Yes. 10:26.360 --> 10:35.600 So, all of those who are in favor of bringing the resolution out of committee and straight 10:35.600 --> 10:42.280 to the board, is that correct, Joe, out of committee, instead of going to the committee 10:42.280 --> 10:46.560 bringing it to the board, that's what we're voting on. 10:46.560 --> 10:51.840 And then should that pass, then we'll have a different vote, but this is just to bring 10:51.840 --> 10:59.080 the resolution that failed at finance off the finance committee, bring it right here to 10:59.080 --> 11:00.080 the board. 11:00.080 --> 11:04.600 If we want to do that, yes, if you don't want to do that, that would be a no. 11:04.600 --> 11:05.800 Sorry. 11:05.800 --> 11:11.680 To be clear, we wouldn't take action on the underlying resolution this evening, it would 11:11.680 --> 11:13.640 be on a future agenda. 11:13.640 --> 11:14.640 Right. 11:14.640 --> 11:15.640 Thank you. 11:15.640 --> 11:16.640 Okay. 11:16.640 --> 11:27.640 So, all those in favor of the resolution vote yes, and all those not in favor would vote no. 11:27.640 --> 11:51.520 All those in favor of the resolution vote yes, and all those in favor of the motion. 11:51.520 --> 11:58.520 There's a six yeses. 11:58.520 --> 12:10.520 Supervisor Gray, you had a comment. 12:10.520 --> 12:14.120 Yeah, this is having nothing to do with that. 12:14.120 --> 12:16.520 It's simply a report. 12:16.520 --> 12:22.520 Commerce Farm, which is at 5646 place in Kenosha, is holding an open house this Sunday. 12:22.520 --> 12:27.360 For the third or fourth year in a row, they're demonstrating sustainable farming practices 12:27.360 --> 12:31.480 that among other things help management of stormwater, and we'll be hearing more about 12:31.480 --> 12:32.840 stormwater in the future. 12:32.840 --> 12:38.640 So, it's from 11 to 3 this Sunday, if anybody needs that address again, I'm happy to provide 12:38.640 --> 12:39.640 it. 12:39.640 --> 12:41.200 Thank you. 12:41.200 --> 12:42.640 Thank you, Supervisor Gray. 12:42.640 --> 12:45.960 Are there any other Supervisor comments? 12:45.960 --> 12:48.040 Any other Supervisor comments? 12:48.040 --> 12:49.040 Say no. 12:49.040 --> 12:50.040 Supervisor comments. 12:50.040 --> 12:52.560 We'll move on to our next new business. 12:52.560 --> 12:58.760 New business resolution 28 from the planning development and extension education committee, 12:58.760 --> 13:06.440 a resolution annual report, a multi-jurisdictional plan for Kenosha County 2035, the 2024 annual 13:06.440 --> 13:07.440 report. 13:07.440 --> 13:12.240 This past unanimously at committee, Supervisor Gray and Lux were excused. 13:12.240 --> 13:15.960 I'm going to go to Meadows on this one. 13:15.960 --> 13:16.960 Supervisor Meadows. 13:16.960 --> 13:17.960 Move by Supervisor Meadows. 13:17.960 --> 13:18.960 Seconded by Supervisor Kirby. 13:18.960 --> 13:19.960 Supervisor Meadows. 13:19.960 --> 13:20.960 Yes, this is a simple resolution. 13:20.960 --> 13:21.960 Sorry. 13:21.960 --> 13:22.960 Can you hear me now? 13:22.960 --> 13:23.960 Yeah, there we go. 13:23.960 --> 13:38.680 This is a simple resolution of, it's a commitment from the committee once a year to provide an 13:38.680 --> 13:42.920 annual report of a summary of all of the changes to the comprehensive plan and the 13:42.920 --> 13:44.600 land use map. 13:44.600 --> 13:50.920 This didn't happen for the 2024 report, so this is going back a year to 2024, similarly 13:50.920 --> 13:55.360 the next one's going to be for 2025, but it passed unanimously at committee. 13:55.360 --> 14:00.720 You can read the resolution or read the document to see all of the changes to the map, but 14:00.720 --> 14:03.720 I ask for your approval. 14:03.720 --> 14:05.400 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 14:05.400 --> 14:06.960 Is there any discussion? 14:07.960 --> 14:10.960 Seeing no discussion, all those in favor, vote aye. 14:10.960 --> 14:11.960 Aye. 14:11.960 --> 14:14.600 All those motion passes. 14:14.600 --> 14:18.880 Resolution 29 from the planning development and extension education committee, a resolution 14:18.880 --> 14:26.600 annual report, a multi-jurisdictional plan for Kenosha County 2035, the 2025 annual report. 14:26.600 --> 14:31.960 This past unanimously at committee, Supervisor Gray and Lux were excused. 14:31.960 --> 14:32.960 Supervisor Meadows. 14:32.960 --> 14:35.000 Move resolution 29. 14:35.000 --> 14:39.520 Move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor Kirby, Supervisor Meadows. 14:39.520 --> 14:45.360 The same as the last resolution, but for the year 2025, we ask for your support. 14:45.360 --> 14:47.160 Any further discussion? 14:47.160 --> 14:48.720 All those in favor, vote aye. 14:48.720 --> 14:49.720 Aye. 14:49.720 --> 14:50.720 Aye. 14:50.720 --> 14:51.720 4. 14:51.720 --> 14:52.720 Against. 14:52.720 --> 14:53.720 Not. 14:53.720 --> 14:54.720 Motion passes. 14:54.720 --> 14:58.040 Resolution 30 from the public works facilities and the finance administration committees, a 14:58.040 --> 15:03.440 resolution to approve a contract regarding float the river tubing at Fox River Park. 15:03.440 --> 15:08.600 This past at both committees from public works, Supervisor Belsky voted no. 15:08.600 --> 15:11.640 From finance, Supervisor Nuto voted no. 15:11.640 --> 15:16.680 And Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings. 15:16.680 --> 15:17.680 Supervisor Meadows. 15:17.680 --> 15:19.720 Move resolution 30. 15:19.720 --> 15:25.000 Move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor Geertzt and Supervisor Meadows. 15:25.000 --> 15:31.560 Yeah, this is the float the river, float the Fox River tubing has a temporary use permit 15:32.120 --> 15:37.720 to provide a tubing experience along the Fox River and they're seeking a full contract 15:37.720 --> 15:41.480 for five years to do that on a more permanent basis. 15:41.480 --> 15:48.520 There were some questions in committee about some of the insurance coverage, making sure 15:48.520 --> 15:54.240 that we're lively covered, but it did pass both committees and we ask for your support. 15:54.240 --> 15:56.160 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 15:56.160 --> 15:57.720 Supervisor Belsky. 15:57.720 --> 15:59.280 Thank you, Chair. 16:00.280 --> 16:06.080 First of all, I'd like to say a very heartfelt thank you to Director Moore. 16:06.080 --> 16:16.560 I know that a lot of these for-profit venues that are now participating at our parks are 16:16.560 --> 16:23.160 new, RFPs have gone out and I think he's really done an amazing job in not only the RFPs, 16:23.160 --> 16:26.680 but responding and he did answer all of my questions. 16:26.680 --> 16:35.520 I'm taking every precaution with these new contracts because they involve a for-profit 16:35.520 --> 16:44.280 business, they involve our county parks, they involve liquor and I just want to make sure 16:44.280 --> 16:50.880 that we're being very, very thorough and not rushing any of these contracts through because 16:50.880 --> 16:52.200 we will set a precedent. 16:52.200 --> 17:00.600 I think that $25,000 that we could bring in as revenue is overshadowed by potential liabilities 17:00.600 --> 17:03.200 if we don't get these contracts right. 17:03.200 --> 17:06.400 So I was very appreciative that he answered all of my questions. 17:06.400 --> 17:09.960 I received some more today, which I'm appreciative of. 17:09.960 --> 17:14.120 As I said, I think he's done a real good job with this and especially in the time that 17:14.120 --> 17:15.120 he's had. 17:15.120 --> 17:18.200 So I will be voting yes tonight. 17:18.200 --> 17:19.200 Thank you. 17:19.200 --> 17:21.680 Thank you, Supervisor Belsky. 17:21.680 --> 17:26.240 Mr. Meadows, how does this contract compare to other private partnership contracts that 17:26.240 --> 17:35.160 we have out there, the beer garden, what's our boundless adventures, the beer garden 17:35.160 --> 17:38.720 Pringle Nature Center, although that one's not for-profit. 17:38.720 --> 17:42.480 We've got Director Moore here, he can answer questions better than I, but it's not that 17:42.480 --> 17:43.480 different. 17:43.480 --> 17:47.040 There's a lot of liability coverages that are spelled out in the contract. 17:47.040 --> 17:49.800 The other ones that we're referring to tonight are tenure contracts. 17:49.800 --> 17:54.200 Well, this one is only for five years, so that's a slight variance from some of our 17:54.200 --> 17:55.200 other ones. 17:55.200 --> 17:57.800 Do you have specific questions about what it contains? 17:57.800 --> 17:58.800 Not specific. 17:58.800 --> 18:00.920 I just, just, if they were comparably similar. 18:00.920 --> 18:01.920 Yes. 18:01.920 --> 18:02.920 Okay. 18:02.920 --> 18:03.920 I would say so. 18:03.920 --> 18:05.400 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 18:05.400 --> 18:07.000 Any further discussion? 18:07.000 --> 18:08.000 No? 18:08.000 --> 18:12.160 This is going to require a two-thirds vote. 18:12.160 --> 18:17.600 So if you are in favor of the resolution for the float, the Fox River tubing contract, 18:17.600 --> 18:18.600 you will vote yes. 18:18.600 --> 18:36.400 If you are not in favor, you will vote no. 18:36.400 --> 18:43.760 Resolution passes 18, yes, 1, no. 18:43.760 --> 18:48.840 Resolution 31, from the public works and facilities and finance and administration committees, 18:48.840 --> 18:55.080 a resolution to approve a contract regarding petrifying springs, beer garden operations. 18:55.080 --> 18:57.960 This passed unanimously at both committees. 18:57.960 --> 19:02.040 Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committees. 19:02.040 --> 19:08.080 Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 31, moved by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor 19:08.080 --> 19:09.080 Gertson. 19:09.080 --> 19:10.080 Supervisor Meadows. 19:10.080 --> 19:14.680 Yes, this is a renewal of an existing contract with the petrifying springs, beer gardens 19:14.680 --> 19:15.680 operation. 19:15.680 --> 19:19.080 They've been a good business partner for us and we're looking to renew their contract 19:19.080 --> 19:20.440 for a further 10 years. 19:20.440 --> 19:24.880 So we ask for your support. 19:24.880 --> 19:27.200 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 19:27.200 --> 19:28.680 Any other questions? 19:28.680 --> 19:30.200 I'm sorry. 19:30.200 --> 19:31.200 Supervisor Belsky. 19:31.200 --> 19:37.280 Again, this is another contract that went out for RFP for the first time. 19:37.280 --> 19:40.400 And I think Director Moore did a very thorough job. 19:40.400 --> 19:46.400 Of course, I had additional questions that were answered very promptly. 19:46.400 --> 19:53.920 And some of my questions or some of the content of the contract was clarified. 19:53.920 --> 19:59.320 I would say that my only outstanding concern right now because this is a for-profit business 19:59.320 --> 20:00.320 is twofold. 20:00.320 --> 20:02.560 One, the RFP went out for 10 years. 20:02.560 --> 20:05.600 I would have preferred to have seen five. 20:05.600 --> 20:12.080 And then number two is we've been spending a lot of money at Petrifying Springs to help 20:12.080 --> 20:14.640 this for-profit business. 20:14.640 --> 20:23.240 And while I think there is a great partnership, I'd like to understand probably every couple 20:23.240 --> 20:29.960 years a report to the Public Works Department on what improvements they specifically are 20:29.960 --> 20:33.960 going to make because they've only identified one. 20:33.960 --> 20:40.560 It seems to me we're putting in a lot of money into the park for this for-profit and 20:40.560 --> 20:46.400 we're getting a 15% growth, I believe, percentage. 20:46.400 --> 20:55.360 So I would like to also see for these private or for these public relations, or how can 20:55.360 --> 21:04.440 I say this, for this, the revenue that's generated from these contracts for a for-profit 21:04.440 --> 21:05.440 business. 21:05.440 --> 21:10.600 I'd like to see specific line items on the budget so that we know. 21:10.600 --> 21:14.600 So it's not all just going into one generic parks department. 21:14.600 --> 21:19.880 I'd like to see it broken down on how much we're actually bringing in by month and then 21:19.920 --> 21:26.600 maybe they report annually to the Public Works and then it comes up to the board. 21:26.600 --> 21:33.480 Likewise I'd like to see a comparison on how much the County is investing in the area 21:33.480 --> 21:38.440 that has to do with this partnership to make sure there's an even swap because while it's 21:38.440 --> 21:45.680 said that they contributed thousands of dollars to the public restrooms at Petrifying Springs, 21:45.680 --> 21:51.760 it's clear to me how much profit was actually brought in and how much of it was applied 21:51.760 --> 21:53.200 to the bathroom project. 21:53.200 --> 22:01.520 I think we need clear delineation on money that's brought in versus money that is contributed 22:01.520 --> 22:05.240 to improvements so that we can understand exactly what they're doing. 22:05.240 --> 22:10.000 Not that I don't trust our Public Works Department because I do, but I'd like to see the hard 22:10.000 --> 22:12.440 numbers when we're talking about this. 22:12.440 --> 22:18.680 So again, I will be approving this tonight, but I would prefer to see the next RFP for 22:18.680 --> 22:22.480 a for-profit business remain at five years. 22:22.480 --> 22:30.880 And the last thing is if they should transfer ownership or anything, I had concern about 22:30.880 --> 22:34.640 it just going to the Public Works Department. 22:34.640 --> 22:39.760 I think if they transfer ownership, even though they're operating under the same agreement, 22:39.760 --> 22:45.320 I think it should come back to Committee and to the Board to review and approve. 22:45.320 --> 22:46.960 I think it's just standard. 22:46.960 --> 22:47.960 Thank you. 22:47.960 --> 22:48.960 Thank you, Supervisor Belsky. 22:48.960 --> 22:49.960 Supervisor Gertzen. 22:49.960 --> 22:50.960 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 22:50.960 --> 22:57.440 Through the Chair, to our Budget Director, could I please, I'm going to support this resolution, 22:57.440 --> 23:03.640 but could I please request the reports that were discussed at budget time? 23:03.640 --> 23:08.480 Could we please, could you please make it a point to provide those reports at budget 23:08.480 --> 23:09.480 time? 23:09.920 --> 23:11.560 Yes, I'll make that a commitment. 23:11.560 --> 23:12.560 Thank you. 23:12.560 --> 23:15.160 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 23:15.160 --> 23:17.520 Thank you, Supervisor Gertzen. 23:17.520 --> 23:18.520 Supervisor Tagliapietra. 23:18.520 --> 23:23.760 It's like just to be out of support of this contract and the commitment that this company 23:23.760 --> 23:28.520 has made to our parks over the last 10 years and what they've put in, it seems silly not 23:28.520 --> 23:31.440 to encourage them to continue it when nobody else is on the table making it happen. 23:31.440 --> 23:35.680 I'm looking forward to see what they can do to improve the park in the next 10. 23:35.680 --> 23:38.440 Thank you, Supervisor Tagliapietra. 23:38.440 --> 23:39.440 Any other discussion? 23:39.440 --> 23:53.080 Seeing no other discussion, all of those in favor, I'm sorry, budget modification. 23:53.080 --> 23:55.520 The last one had a budget modification? 23:55.520 --> 23:57.520 Right, that's what it was, yeah. 23:57.520 --> 23:58.520 Okay, thank you. 23:58.520 --> 23:59.520 Thank you. 23:59.520 --> 24:03.160 Okay, any further discussions or questions? 24:03.160 --> 24:05.400 Okay, all those in favor, vote aye. 24:05.400 --> 24:06.400 Aye. 24:06.400 --> 24:07.400 Any opposed? 24:07.400 --> 24:08.400 Motion carries. 24:09.400 --> 24:14.400 Resolution 32 from the Public Works and Facilities and Finance Administration Committees, a resolution 24:14.400 --> 24:18.680 to approve a contract regarding Pringle Nature's Center Operations. 24:18.680 --> 24:22.200 This passed unanimously at both committees. 24:22.200 --> 24:26.160 Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings. 24:26.160 --> 24:32.120 Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 32, move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor 24:32.120 --> 24:33.120 Gertzen. 24:33.120 --> 24:36.280 Supervisor Meadows, yeah, this is the last of our contracts for tonight. 24:36.280 --> 24:41.800 This is a resolution to approve a new 10-year contract with the Pringle Nature Center. 24:41.800 --> 24:44.680 It did a pass of both committees unanimously. 24:44.680 --> 24:50.040 I think most people already agree that it's been an amazing partnership with this organization 24:50.040 --> 24:51.920 and they do a phenomenal job. 24:51.920 --> 24:56.160 So I highly recommend you approve this and we ask for your support. 24:56.160 --> 24:57.400 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 24:57.400 --> 24:59.200 Is there any discussion? 24:59.200 --> 25:01.800 Seeing no discussion. 25:01.800 --> 25:03.560 All those in favor, vote aye. 25:03.560 --> 25:04.560 Aye. 25:04.560 --> 25:05.560 Opposed? 25:05.560 --> 25:07.840 Motion carries. 25:07.840 --> 25:13.400 Resolution 33 from Public Works and Facilities and the Finance Administration Committees, a 25:13.400 --> 25:18.120 resolution to purchase property at 11308 Burlington Road. 25:18.120 --> 25:24.400 This passed at both committees from Finance, Supervisor Zoodle and Pollack, quoted nay. 25:24.400 --> 25:27.840 Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings. 25:27.840 --> 25:34.360 Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 33, move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor 25:34.360 --> 25:35.360 Gertzen. 25:35.360 --> 25:36.360 Supervisor Meadows. 25:36.360 --> 25:43.720 Yes, this is a resolution to acquire a property adjacent to another one that we recently purchased. 25:43.720 --> 25:50.840 If you recall, a few months back, we purchased a home on Burlington Road to place some sex 25:50.840 --> 25:53.680 offenders that had finished their jail time. 25:53.680 --> 25:58.200 The property owner adjacent to them, there's only two houses in that small little section. 25:58.200 --> 26:01.880 The property owner approached us wanting to sell. 26:01.880 --> 26:04.120 So this was brought to the county. 26:04.120 --> 26:09.080 It passed both committees, Public Works and Finance. 26:09.080 --> 26:15.480 The idea, or a possible idea in the future is to combine it into one larger partial once 26:15.480 --> 26:21.200 we no longer are required to place these people and which would increase the value of the property. 26:21.200 --> 26:24.440 So we ask for your approval. 26:24.440 --> 26:26.240 Thank you, Supervisor Meadows. 26:26.240 --> 26:27.240 Supervisor Decker. 26:27.240 --> 26:29.240 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 26:29.240 --> 26:35.120 I am speaking to ask you to either vote no on this resolution or if you're not comfortable 26:35.120 --> 26:38.080 doing that to refer it back to committee. 26:38.080 --> 26:41.040 I want to begin by acknowledging something. 26:41.040 --> 26:46.120 Last August, I voted to purchase the property at 11312 Burlington Road. 26:46.120 --> 26:52.480 I did so because chapter 980 left Kenosha County with very limited options. 26:52.480 --> 26:57.960 I believe we had a legal obligation to provide housing, even though I had concerns that we 26:57.960 --> 27:01.720 were paying substantially more than the property was worth. 27:01.720 --> 27:04.360 Today's vote is different. 27:04.360 --> 27:07.880 This isn't about complying with chapter 980. 27:07.880 --> 27:16.080 This is about whether we should spend another $425,000 of taxpayer money without having 27:16.080 --> 27:20.840 adequate answers to some very important questions. 27:20.840 --> 27:24.560 Before speaking tonight, I went back and did my homework. 27:24.560 --> 27:31.360 I re-watched the August 14, 2025 joint Jadair Sherry and Law Committee and Public Works Committee 27:31.360 --> 27:32.360 meeting. 27:32.360 --> 27:37.760 I re-watched the August 19, 2025 full county board meeting. 27:37.760 --> 27:45.120 I also watched the July 16, 2026 joint judiciary and law committee and Public Works Committee 27:45.120 --> 27:48.200 meeting regarding this property. 27:48.200 --> 27:53.760 I wanted to make sure my concerns were based on record, not my memory. 27:53.760 --> 27:56.800 One thing stood out to me. 27:56.800 --> 28:03.320 Corporation Council recently sent an email stating, quote unquote, at that time there 28:03.320 --> 28:11.360 was some discussion that we might explore acquiring the property next door, 11308. 28:11.360 --> 28:15.440 I respectfully disagree with that characterization. 28:15.440 --> 28:20.240 After reviewing both the committee meeting and the county board meeting, I did not see 28:20.240 --> 28:27.320 any discussion during the meeting about purchasing the 11308 Burlington Road property. 28:27.320 --> 28:31.480 If someone can point me to that committee discussion, I'd welcome it. 28:31.480 --> 28:36.240 But after reviewing those meetings myself, I didn't hear it. 28:36.240 --> 28:41.520 That matters because this proposal is being presented as though it has been part of the 28:41.520 --> 28:45.280 county long-term plan all along. 28:45.280 --> 28:49.600 I don't believe the public records supports that. 28:49.600 --> 28:54.480 My next concern is the appraisal and the market analysis. 28:54.480 --> 28:59.120 The market analysis relies on only three comparable sales. 28:59.120 --> 29:06.840 And one of those comparable sales is the county's own purchase of the 1132 Burlington Road property. 29:06.840 --> 29:12.080 Many of us believed that purchase occurred under extraordinary circumstances because 29:12.080 --> 29:17.320 we had an immediate legal obligation under chapter 980. 29:17.320 --> 29:23.720 If we believed those circumstances resulted in paying a premium, then I question whether 29:23.720 --> 29:31.160 that sale should now be used as evidence of fair market value for another purchase. 29:31.160 --> 29:37.040 And the remaining two comparable sales are also material different properties, including 29:37.040 --> 29:41.240 larger four bedroom homes with different features. 29:41.240 --> 29:46.960 At minimum, I think those concerns deserve additional review before approving another 29:46.960 --> 29:48.880 purchase. 29:48.880 --> 29:53.120 My next concern is the lack of a clear plan. 29:53.120 --> 29:55.680 I've heard many different ideas. 29:55.680 --> 29:58.360 I've heard the home may eventually be demolished. 29:58.360 --> 30:02.080 I've heard it could become a veteran's home. 30:02.080 --> 30:06.720 I've heard it could become a substance abuse treatment facility. 30:06.720 --> 30:10.520 I've heard it yet could be another youth group home. 30:10.520 --> 30:14.400 I've also heard it will eventually be sold. 30:14.400 --> 30:21.480 Even Corporation Council has referred to presumably selling the property. 30:21.480 --> 30:25.320 Those are all very different policy decisions. 30:25.320 --> 30:30.400 But none of those decisions are reflected in the resolution before us. 30:30.400 --> 30:37.200 And a plan should be discussed and agreed upon before we approve the resolution. 30:37.200 --> 30:43.360 But perhaps my greatest concern is about the role of this board. 30:43.360 --> 30:49.080 Under Wisconsin law and under our county's governance structure, one of the most important 30:49.080 --> 30:55.400 authorities this board has is approving the purchase of real property. 30:55.400 --> 30:58.360 That's exactly what we're doing tonight. 30:58.360 --> 31:03.000 Once we approve this purchase, there's no budget amendment before us. 31:03.000 --> 31:08.680 And this resolution contains no direction from the county board regarding the property's 31:08.680 --> 31:10.920 future use. 31:10.920 --> 31:17.920 That means we are exercising our authority to purchase the property without exercising 31:17.920 --> 31:24.680 our responsibility to establish the policy for what should happen to it. 31:24.680 --> 31:30.160 If the board wants this property sold when it is no longer needed, that should be in 31:30.160 --> 31:34.120 the resolution. 31:34.120 --> 31:39.040 If the board wants it demolished, that should be in the resolution. 31:39.040 --> 31:44.640 If the board intends another public use, that should be in the resolution. 31:44.640 --> 31:51.480 But we should not purchase the property first and then decide later why we bought it. 31:51.480 --> 31:54.360 That is not good governance. 31:54.360 --> 31:57.400 I also question the urgency. 31:57.400 --> 32:05.640 The property at 11308 has been vacant for over a year and in that time has never been 32:05.640 --> 32:08.120 on the market for sale. 32:08.120 --> 32:15.600 The chapter 980 residence at 11312 is operating as intended. 32:15.600 --> 32:18.840 Nothing changes if we wait. 32:18.840 --> 32:27.480 But a great deal could change if we spend $425,000 before answering these questions. 32:27.480 --> 32:34.200 Finally, every time government purchases another home, it removes that property from the tax 32:34.200 --> 32:35.840 rolls. 32:35.840 --> 32:42.400 That means less tax base for Kenosha County, the village of Summers, Kenosha Unified School 32:42.400 --> 32:48.360 District, Gateway Technical College, and the other taxing jurisdictions that depend on 32:48.360 --> 32:50.160 those revenues. 32:50.160 --> 32:56.520 At the same time, we have spent years talking about the need for more housing and housing 32:56.520 --> 32:57.920 affordability. 32:57.920 --> 33:03.840 Governments should be cautious about taking another home off the market unless there 33:03.840 --> 33:07.560 is a clear and compelling public purpose. 33:07.560 --> 33:11.840 Tonight, I don't believe we have reached that point. 33:11.840 --> 33:17.240 If you believe the purchase has not been justified, I ask that you vote no. 33:17.240 --> 33:23.880 If you're not ready to vote no, then I respectfully ask that you support referring this resolution 33:23.880 --> 33:26.080 back to committee. 33:26.080 --> 33:28.160 Let's answer these questions. 33:28.160 --> 33:31.240 Let's establish a clear policy. 33:31.240 --> 33:38.840 Let's make sure the resolution reflects the county board's intent before we authorize another 33:38.840 --> 33:42.360 $425,000 expenditure. 33:42.360 --> 33:44.520 There is no emergency. 33:44.600 --> 33:48.280 There is time to get this right. 33:48.280 --> 33:54.000 And with that, I would like to make a motion to refer this back to the finance and administration 33:54.000 --> 34:00.640 and public works committees to be postponed until the administration can present a plan 34:00.640 --> 34:08.800 of use and fiscal analysis of the plan on the property located at 11308 Burlington Road. 34:09.800 --> 34:11.800 Second. 34:11.800 --> 34:15.080 Second by Supervisor Belsky. 34:15.080 --> 34:19.080 Any discussion on the new motion? 34:19.080 --> 34:25.720 Supervisor Kirby, did you have a discussion on the new motion or on the original motion? 34:25.720 --> 34:26.720 Okay. 34:26.720 --> 34:27.720 Hold on. 34:27.720 --> 34:28.720 Just a minute. 34:28.720 --> 34:29.720 Okay. 34:30.720 --> 34:39.200 Supervisor Stalker, this might cover both of them, but it sounds to me like this is 34:39.200 --> 34:45.400 the appraised value is not what it should be, and it seems like we're spending a lot 34:45.400 --> 34:49.920 more money for this property than what it would really be worth. 34:49.920 --> 34:50.920 Okay. 34:50.920 --> 34:51.920 Thank you. 34:51.920 --> 34:52.920 Supervisor Stalker. 34:52.920 --> 34:53.920 Supervisor Noodle. 34:53.920 --> 34:54.920 Thank you. 34:55.920 --> 35:03.040 First of all, I want to say thank you to Supervisor Decker for much summarize everything 35:03.040 --> 35:11.120 that I did say on committee in a very, very more eloquent way to say it. 35:11.120 --> 35:14.160 And I appreciate that. 35:14.160 --> 35:18.600 I would not be against to send it back to committee. 35:18.600 --> 35:24.760 However, I don't believe we should even think about purchasing the property because again, 35:24.760 --> 35:31.640 first of all, we cannot change the contract and the corporation council can correct me 35:31.640 --> 35:36.960 if I'm wrong because the only conditions that we have on this contract is approval 35:36.960 --> 35:38.200 of the board. 35:38.200 --> 35:40.120 So we want to make any changes. 35:40.120 --> 35:41.760 Actually, we cannot do it. 35:41.760 --> 35:45.120 Either we reject it or we take what it is. 35:45.120 --> 35:53.120 So I would prefer that we vote on it, reject this based on the most of the things again 35:53.120 --> 35:59.440 that I said in committees and Supervisor Decker explained even a lot better way. 35:59.440 --> 36:03.560 It's just a lot better speaker than I am, I might want to admit that, but it's true. 36:03.560 --> 36:10.840 So one thing that I want to say also which about the appraisal, everybody's talking about 36:10.840 --> 36:12.680 the appraisal, which I've brought it up before. 36:12.680 --> 36:14.760 It's not an appraisal. 36:14.760 --> 36:17.160 It's just a market analysis. 36:17.160 --> 36:18.160 It's nothing. 36:18.160 --> 36:20.800 Nobody would even end up running in the property. 36:20.880 --> 36:25.520 I mentioned that when we purchased the property, which I was against at the last time, pretty 36:25.520 --> 36:33.720 much everybody knew that we paid a list, 125 to 150,000 dollars more than what the property 36:33.720 --> 36:34.720 was worth. 36:34.720 --> 36:41.600 Now, here we are paying the same amount for the property that is worth less than the other 36:41.600 --> 36:42.600 one. 36:42.600 --> 36:53.960 Number one thing is the county, Kalisha County, should not be in the business of property 36:53.960 --> 36:54.960 investment. 36:54.960 --> 36:56.360 Let the realtors do. 36:56.360 --> 36:58.560 Let the property stay there. 36:58.560 --> 37:03.200 So we're doing this to keep it and we don't know how long we're going to keep the other 37:03.200 --> 37:04.200 property. 37:04.200 --> 37:08.480 Those people in there could be at least five, six years and with three of them, one could 37:08.480 --> 37:11.880 go out but other two could stay maybe for another 10 years. 37:11.880 --> 37:12.880 So what are we going to do? 37:12.880 --> 37:16.920 Keep the property of the tax roll and everything. 37:16.920 --> 37:26.280 I think it's another thing is about the inspection contingency over the committee level. 37:26.280 --> 37:32.000 I did mention what happened the last time that we did not have an inspection. 37:32.000 --> 37:37.640 I questioned that and I was told that everything was fine. 37:37.640 --> 37:41.600 Then we found out that there was water here and I'm working. 37:41.600 --> 37:46.760 And one supervisor pretty much told me that I was wrong and I want to make sure that we 37:46.760 --> 37:47.760 go on record. 37:47.760 --> 37:49.760 That I was 100% right. 37:49.760 --> 37:56.360 I did talk to Matt Storino, I don't know if he's here tonight or not, is there? 37:56.360 --> 38:00.400 And he could confirm that and then what I said at the committee, that's exactly what 38:00.400 --> 38:06.480 happened and I ate when somebody calls me a liar and that's pretty much what I was done 38:06.480 --> 38:07.960 the other night. 38:07.960 --> 38:16.280 So this year I was told if I need to, that's the first one to take it to go back to committee 38:16.280 --> 38:26.120 but at that point, still my preference will be to vote on it tonight, reject the purchase 38:26.120 --> 38:27.120 and go from there. 38:27.120 --> 38:28.120 Thank you. 38:28.120 --> 38:29.320 Thank you Supervisor No No. 38:37.960 --> 38:55.720 Okay, any further discussion on any further discussion? 38:55.720 --> 38:59.160 Supervisor Gertz, thank you Mr. Chairman. 38:59.160 --> 39:05.920 Through the chair to the court counsel, a couple things that were mentioned in the motion to 39:05.920 --> 39:07.480 refer back. 39:07.480 --> 39:13.280 One is in order to buy property by law, the county board has to approve that. 39:13.280 --> 39:18.880 In order to sell property, does the county, does that also require county board approval? 39:18.880 --> 39:19.880 Yes, it does. 39:19.880 --> 39:22.320 Okay, thank you. 39:22.320 --> 39:27.560 And I know that there's some properties that are awaiting demo and we've talked about demo 39:27.560 --> 39:34.120 but does that not require approval of the board to do a demo, both from a budget standpoint 39:34.120 --> 39:37.680 and from a property management standpoint? 39:37.680 --> 39:39.080 I believe so, yes. 39:39.080 --> 39:43.040 Okay, we need money to do the demo and we have to approve that. 39:43.040 --> 39:49.760 So we already have a budget that addresses the majority of the concerns that were enveloped 39:49.760 --> 39:56.640 and policy that were enveloped within the statement to refer back to the committee. 39:56.640 --> 40:00.240 So we already have policy that addresses that. 40:01.240 --> 40:10.240 On the comment that we were considering this purchase of the next store property, the one 40:10.240 --> 40:13.600 we're considering tonight, at the time we were acquiring the first property, could you 40:13.600 --> 40:19.160 please comment on that? 40:19.160 --> 40:26.200 I'm certainly not going to dispute the supervisor Decker's comments based on her review of the 40:26.200 --> 40:27.200 record. 40:27.200 --> 40:31.080 It was a reflection that it was mentioned, at least in passing, perhaps it wasn't, perhaps 40:31.080 --> 40:36.800 there was a conversation that was happening internally and not with the board. 40:36.800 --> 40:47.680 So I'll simply say that certainly the owner of the neighboring property, when news of 40:47.680 --> 40:54.080 this was happening last year had reached out to the county, if that wasn't discussed 40:54.080 --> 41:00.280 as part of the purchase of that property, then certainly, again, I'm not disputing 41:00.280 --> 41:07.360 Supervisor Decker's assessment or summary of what she listened to. 41:07.360 --> 41:12.720 Okay, thank you, Corporation. 41:12.720 --> 41:23.160 So the purchase of this policy, there were reasons why the resolution to approve this 41:23.160 --> 41:27.240 property, the reasons we did it, one was, the reasons that it was brought to us, one 41:27.240 --> 41:32.600 was it's good, we're being good corporate citizens, is that one of the reasons we did 41:32.600 --> 41:33.600 this? 41:33.600 --> 41:37.200 I believe that was one of the statements, yes. 41:37.200 --> 41:45.520 And then it was security, another reason that we have this house right next to this, the 41:45.520 --> 41:49.680 one we own, and security was another reason why we did it. 41:49.680 --> 41:54.000 It certainly would allow us to sort of control the property, create a buffer around the property 41:54.000 --> 42:00.320 that we have for the individuals without having to worry about what or what is not happening 42:00.320 --> 42:01.320 next door. 42:01.320 --> 42:02.320 Okay, thank you. 42:02.320 --> 42:08.520 And then one last comment, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for indulging me. 42:08.520 --> 42:12.200 There's been a lot of discussion on the market value of this property. 42:12.200 --> 42:16.760 I mean, we're not, it's correct, we're not in the business of buying and selling real 42:16.760 --> 42:17.760 estate. 42:17.760 --> 42:23.280 We should have been in this position if we weren't acquiring the property. 42:23.280 --> 42:28.240 And at the time that we were having this discussion, court counsel, you said the worst case was 42:28.240 --> 42:34.200 that if we don't comply with the court order, the predators could be released in the community 42:34.200 --> 42:37.680 and you cited instances where that has happened in the past. 42:37.680 --> 42:42.760 So we were taking action to protect the community here. 42:42.760 --> 42:49.680 Now, by buying the property next door, we're further taking action to protect the community 42:49.680 --> 42:51.720 because there's a security element here. 42:51.720 --> 42:56.560 We can secure the perimeter, but there's been a lot of discussion on the market value and 42:56.560 --> 43:00.120 the appraisal versus the market analysis. 43:00.120 --> 43:07.680 And I think generally, I know that the market value in Kenosha has been increasing significantly 43:07.680 --> 43:10.920 faster on residential property than nationwide. 43:10.920 --> 43:16.640 But can you at least advise the board on information, the most recent information you may have 43:16.640 --> 43:21.400 on market value? 43:21.400 --> 43:29.720 I can simply say that I spoke Friday and then again yesterday with the real estate agent 43:29.720 --> 43:35.440 who had done that market analysis, he indicated that there were other properties in the area 43:35.720 --> 43:43.120 that he believed were comparable that had sold for the purchase price or higher, I believe 43:43.120 --> 43:47.120 he had initially told me about half a dozen since the start of the year. 43:47.120 --> 43:50.240 So that was not just the comparables in the market analysis. 43:50.240 --> 43:54.320 That was other comparables outside the market analysis. 43:54.320 --> 43:55.320 Correct. 43:55.320 --> 43:58.320 He didn't provide me with that information, but anecdotally, that's what he advised me. 43:58.320 --> 43:59.320 anecdotally. 43:59.320 --> 44:00.320 Okay. 44:00.320 --> 44:01.320 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 44:01.320 --> 44:06.760 I'm not going to favor the motion to refer, although I'm certainly happy to have it sent 44:06.760 --> 44:12.360 back to my committee, our committee, and revet the thing, but I think we have enough information 44:12.360 --> 44:18.360 tonight to make a decision, and so I'm going to vote against referring back to committee. 44:18.360 --> 44:19.360 Thank you. 44:19.360 --> 44:20.360 I yield. 44:20.360 --> 44:21.360 Thank you, Mr. Pfizer and Garrison. 44:21.360 --> 44:22.360 Supervisor Kirby. 44:22.360 --> 44:23.360 Hi. 44:23.360 --> 44:29.360 I was initially not going to speak, but just in case, I will be voting against the motion 44:29.360 --> 44:33.840 to send this back to committee because I see absolutely no reason why we can't vote 44:33.840 --> 44:34.840 no tonight. 44:34.840 --> 44:39.000 I feel like this is a highly speculative endeavor. 44:39.000 --> 44:45.080 I don't know if anybody else remembers 2009, 2008 somewhere in there. 44:45.080 --> 44:48.360 We don't know what's going to happen with the housing market. 44:48.360 --> 44:53.680 So us purchasing a property that we don't absolutely have to purchase, like with the 44:53.680 --> 44:59.320 last one, I think with a lot of other supervisors here, I didn't want to buy that house. 44:59.320 --> 45:05.080 But we had to, we had a legal obligation, and that was the smart financial decision 45:05.080 --> 45:09.320 for us at that point in time, and it helped protect the community. 45:09.320 --> 45:11.120 That made sense. 45:11.120 --> 45:15.760 Purchasing a property next door to it, I just can't see any reason to do it. 45:15.760 --> 45:17.960 And then there's the added factor. 45:17.960 --> 45:23.640 We do not know when we are going to be able to sell that other property. 45:23.640 --> 45:28.440 We could be sitting on this for 10 years, and then we have two properties off the tax 45:28.440 --> 45:29.440 rolls. 45:29.440 --> 45:35.320 So anyways, I'm going to vote against the motion to send it back to committee because 45:35.320 --> 45:38.440 I would like us to just vote no on it tonight. 45:38.440 --> 45:41.360 Thank you, Supervisor Kirby. 45:41.360 --> 45:42.360 Supervisor Metals? 45:42.360 --> 45:43.360 I yield. 45:43.360 --> 45:44.360 Never mind. 45:44.360 --> 45:47.920 All right, Supervisor Gasky. 45:47.920 --> 45:48.920 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 45:48.920 --> 45:53.480 Through the Chair to Corporation Council, Supervisor Noodle had mentioned that if this 45:53.480 --> 45:58.760 were to be referred back to committee, that the committee or the board would have little 45:58.760 --> 46:02.320 opportunity to make any modifications or changes. 46:02.320 --> 46:04.640 Could you just speak to the accuracy of that? 46:04.640 --> 46:11.280 If this were to get sent back to committee, what opportunities would that afford us? 46:11.280 --> 46:14.920 There would be an opportunity if there's further vetting, if there's further information 46:14.920 --> 46:20.240 that people want, but the Supervisor Noodle is correct, the offer has been agreed to 46:20.320 --> 46:21.320 by the parties. 46:21.320 --> 46:30.160 It was contingent on board approval, you know, if I don't think there's really, I mean, 46:30.160 --> 46:34.480 could I speak with the other parties, certainly, but I mean, in terms of as a practical matter, 46:34.480 --> 46:38.320 we have an agreement that just is waiting on the board to either approve it or not. 46:38.320 --> 46:40.520 Okay, thank you. 46:40.520 --> 46:45.520 That being said, I would agree with Supervisor Kirby. 46:45.520 --> 46:50.040 I would favor the idea of rather than sending this back to committee that we just simply 46:50.040 --> 46:52.360 voted up or down tonight. 46:52.360 --> 46:57.800 And I personally don't see any compelling reason for us to purchase this property. 46:57.800 --> 47:01.080 I don't see a clear use for this property. 47:01.080 --> 47:05.120 And again, the cost of this property does appear to be somewhat inflated. 47:05.120 --> 47:10.680 So given the lack of clarity for the use of it, given the lack of a compelling reason 47:10.680 --> 47:16.600 to purchase it and the price, I would rather just see us vote this up down tonight and 47:16.600 --> 47:18.080 I would plan to vote it down. 47:18.080 --> 47:19.280 Thank you. 47:19.280 --> 47:23.800 Thank you, Supervisor Gashke, Supervisor Robinson. 47:23.800 --> 47:29.680 I think that one of the things that we should look at is not only are we spending money 47:29.680 --> 47:36.900 for a property, but also what have we, what is our role and how have we impacted the 47:36.900 --> 47:38.720 owners of this property? 47:38.720 --> 47:43.320 This is not a property that is in the middle of a block with a whole lot of residential 47:43.320 --> 47:45.400 around it. 47:45.400 --> 47:49.760 We came into an area where there were two houses. 47:49.760 --> 48:01.000 We placed sex offenders that cannot be released for quite a while into this house, which materially 48:01.000 --> 48:04.280 impacted the house next door. 48:04.280 --> 48:09.080 Would you buy a house knowing that there are sex offenders next door? 48:09.080 --> 48:10.880 No. 48:10.880 --> 48:14.640 Would most people know? 48:14.640 --> 48:22.160 So one of the things that we also have a responsibility to our citizens about is not 48:22.160 --> 48:30.160 just the fiscal responsibility of should we spend X number of dollars for a property. 48:30.160 --> 48:37.480 And I believe that our Corporation Council and Mr. Storino and other people have done 48:37.480 --> 48:43.640 due diligence in saying it's not just the house next door, but here's six houses, seven 48:43.640 --> 48:50.600 houses, eight houses of approximate same amount. 48:50.600 --> 48:52.120 We've all got pictures. 48:52.120 --> 48:55.960 We can see that it's a livable house. 48:55.960 --> 49:02.520 It is from all intents and purposes and from what I could see, the water heater is fine. 49:02.520 --> 49:08.000 Everything seems, the mechanicals are fine. 49:08.000 --> 49:13.880 In other committees, we are talking about the need for veterans homes. 49:13.880 --> 49:19.400 We're talking about the need for substance abuse treatment, small group homes. 49:19.400 --> 49:23.240 Do we have a specific plan for this property at this moment? 49:23.240 --> 49:24.240 No. 49:24.240 --> 49:28.520 But are those discussions ongoing with other agencies? 49:28.520 --> 49:29.760 Yes. 49:29.760 --> 49:36.480 Because we all know that we need more homes, more substance abuse homes. 49:36.480 --> 49:41.240 Should I normally be in favor of this if it was on a regular street with houses on 49:41.240 --> 49:42.240 both sides? 49:42.240 --> 49:43.240 No. 49:43.240 --> 49:49.720 But I do think that we need to take some responsibility for the harm that we the county have done 49:49.720 --> 49:57.360 by putting sex offenders next to a family that has lived there for years. 49:57.360 --> 49:59.080 Is it a difficult decision? 49:59.080 --> 50:00.080 Yes. 50:00.080 --> 50:09.360 I tend to think that we need to consider that as well as just dollars each direction. 50:09.360 --> 50:12.000 If this comes back to committee, I don't really care. 50:12.000 --> 50:15.160 As Supervisor Gertzen says, we'll discuss it again. 50:15.160 --> 50:21.120 We can add things if that makes other supervisors more comfortable. 50:21.120 --> 50:27.120 But I think we also need to recognize that there is more to this specific situation than 50:27.120 --> 50:30.640 just we buy one property. 50:30.640 --> 50:34.600 Because I think a whole lot of citizens would be very uncomfortable with the idea that we 50:34.600 --> 50:40.840 the county could come in and do this and buy a property on their street and then just kind 50:40.840 --> 50:45.240 of turn around and walk away. 50:45.240 --> 50:46.920 Thank you, Supervisor Robinson. 50:46.920 --> 50:48.560 Supervisor Belsky. 50:48.560 --> 50:49.560 Thank you. 50:49.560 --> 50:55.040 The reason I seconded this resolution is for the resolution itself. 50:55.040 --> 51:01.080 I know that we cannot make changes to the agreement to purchase the house. 51:01.080 --> 51:07.960 But I think that we have a responsibility to our constituents that we know what we're 51:07.960 --> 51:10.920 going to do with this facility. 51:10.920 --> 51:13.960 Right now it's been empty for a year. 51:13.960 --> 51:15.600 Let's there's no big rush. 51:15.600 --> 51:18.400 Nobody's been living in it. 51:18.400 --> 51:22.520 Nobody's being subjected to the tenants next door. 51:22.520 --> 51:27.200 Let's figure out how we could use this to our advantage. 51:27.200 --> 51:34.640 Let's figure out since it is our responsibility, can it be used for veterans, can it be used 51:34.640 --> 51:36.280 for another purpose? 51:36.280 --> 51:38.920 That's what the resolution is for. 51:38.920 --> 51:44.800 And we we should it is our responsibility to make that happen so that we aren't blindly 51:44.800 --> 51:47.600 going into this without a plan. 51:47.600 --> 51:48.880 We should have a plan. 51:48.880 --> 51:54.280 So that's why I believe it should go back to committee and through the chair to corporate 51:54.280 --> 52:00.480 council, which realtor did the market value analysis? 52:00.480 --> 52:13.680 It was sent to everybody beginning of July, but it was done by Daniel Crucco. 52:13.680 --> 52:16.040 Who is he with? 52:16.040 --> 52:18.240 At the properties. 52:18.240 --> 52:21.480 Is that somebody we normally do business with? 52:21.480 --> 52:25.600 We've used him for other county business, yes, okay. 52:25.600 --> 52:31.920 So I would ask that we send it back to committee so that from a resolution standpoint, we have 52:31.920 --> 52:34.400 a plan. 52:34.400 --> 52:36.080 We should have a plan. 52:36.080 --> 52:39.840 We shouldn't just buy this and then say, well, maybe it's going to set empty. 52:39.840 --> 52:42.200 Maybe it's going to be used for something. 52:42.200 --> 52:44.000 That's what the resolution is about. 52:44.000 --> 52:48.880 It's not just approving the agreement between the two parties. 52:48.880 --> 52:51.240 It's how are we going to use this? 52:51.240 --> 52:54.640 And then we can decide if it's an up or down vote. 52:54.640 --> 52:59.680 But I think it's on us to take that responsibility. 52:59.680 --> 53:01.560 So I agree with referring it back. 53:01.560 --> 53:02.560 Thank you. 53:02.560 --> 53:03.560 Thank you. 53:03.560 --> 53:04.560 Supervisor Belsky. 53:04.560 --> 53:05.560 Supervisor Nuto. 53:05.560 --> 53:06.560 Thank you. 53:06.560 --> 53:09.520 I just got a couple of comments. 53:09.520 --> 53:21.480 I believe Supervisor Robinson mentioned that we should, because we'll purchase the property, 53:21.480 --> 53:26.120 this property, we're not in value, because nobody wants to leave next to sex or fund 53:26.120 --> 53:27.120 or whatever. 53:27.120 --> 53:33.160 Well, if that's the case that we want to be in the Christmas mood and give some gifts 53:33.160 --> 53:38.400 to everyone, there is a couple of properties right across from there. 53:38.400 --> 53:43.360 Even though there are commercial properties, I believe one is quick trip and the other 53:43.360 --> 53:48.160 one is, please help me, the first food covers. 53:48.160 --> 53:53.560 Well, because there's a lot of kids that go there, you know, at covers or whatever. 53:53.560 --> 53:58.200 In fact, I used to take my rain kits there because it's out of the way and everything. 53:58.200 --> 54:00.000 Not that it's sex offenders. 54:00.000 --> 54:01.840 There may be people will not go there. 54:01.840 --> 54:03.440 So they're losing business with it. 54:03.440 --> 54:05.680 Should we give them some money? 54:05.680 --> 54:08.800 So they can recoup what they're losing. 54:08.800 --> 54:13.240 That is the fact of life, if you buy a property, you never know what's going to happen next 54:13.240 --> 54:14.240 door to my house. 54:14.240 --> 54:15.240 Somebody can come over. 54:15.240 --> 54:17.640 So we're not in that. 54:17.640 --> 54:28.320 And the other thing is, how much time do we have for the board to approve the offer to 54:28.320 --> 54:30.760 the chair to Corporation Council? 54:30.760 --> 54:32.840 I know I looked at it, but I don't recall it. 54:32.840 --> 54:39.360 I don't want to go through the offer now to see what it has to be done by. 54:39.360 --> 55:01.560 Contract the time is over the office. 55:01.560 --> 55:08.880 The contract calls for a closing before or no later than August 28th. 55:08.880 --> 55:09.880 Okay. 55:09.880 --> 55:17.520 But when does he have to be approved by the county board? 55:17.520 --> 55:18.520 I don't know. 55:18.520 --> 55:19.520 There was a deadline for that. 55:19.520 --> 55:21.520 And, you know, obviously before we could close. 55:21.520 --> 55:22.520 Okay. 55:22.520 --> 55:27.040 Which, basically, it's not going to be that much time or whatever, but even if it is, 55:27.040 --> 55:28.040 it's a material. 55:29.040 --> 55:33.240 The other thing is speaking about the so-called appraisal, the market analysis. 55:33.240 --> 55:39.080 I believe Corporation Council said that he talked to the real estate agent. 55:39.080 --> 55:40.080 They did it. 55:40.080 --> 55:46.480 And they could have used another, or maybe appraisal or, sorry, conveyorables with this 55:46.480 --> 55:47.480 property. 55:47.480 --> 55:48.480 Well, and that's the case. 55:48.480 --> 55:50.480 When did he do it? 55:50.480 --> 55:56.400 He used the property next door, which he should have known the property actually it's got 55:56.400 --> 56:02.200 it in there, that the property was listed for $325,000. 56:02.200 --> 56:05.280 And then it was sold for $425. 56:05.280 --> 56:12.160 So a real estate agent added for over two years before they started to have a couple 56:12.160 --> 56:15.280 million dollars and then they kept on coming down. 56:15.280 --> 56:19.440 But for the last six months was listed $335, I believe. 56:19.440 --> 56:26.040 And then we put in an offer for price and it came in rejected and we offered the $425. 56:26.680 --> 56:31.800 He also put it in there that this property, the one that they were trying to buy now, 56:31.800 --> 56:41.640 has been for sale, listed for sale for $425,000. 56:41.640 --> 56:47.400 This property was not listed for sale. 56:47.400 --> 56:56.960 And since I believe there were some interest or some tolls involved with the seller about 56:56.960 --> 57:04.320 purchasing this property ever since we purchased the other property, now this is not a complete 57:04.320 --> 57:10.960 fact, just rumors that I think that I can believe it, why did we wait until the last 57:10.960 --> 57:12.920 minute all the time? 57:12.920 --> 57:19.040 The last time where the walls are vexed against the wall, like Supervisor Baker said, we had 57:19.040 --> 57:20.040 to do it. 57:20.040 --> 57:23.680 I mean, first of all, why did we put ourselves in that position? 57:23.680 --> 57:24.680 Now we're doing this here. 57:24.680 --> 57:30.280 It seems like every time at the last minute they tried to shut something down our throat 57:30.280 --> 57:34.800 and I think it's enough is enough and we should just vote no. 57:34.800 --> 57:38.760 And the main reason is we don't want to be in the real estate business, the county should 57:38.760 --> 57:43.680 not be in the real estate investment business and if we do, then we should know what the 57:43.680 --> 57:50.280 heck we're doing, not purchase properties over their value, that maybe in five, six 57:50.280 --> 57:55.120 years we can sell it for our price and save some money. 57:55.120 --> 58:00.160 Instead of losing whatever we are on this house, we sell it, if we ever will, we're going 58:00.160 --> 58:01.800 to lose a lot more to this house. 58:01.800 --> 58:06.600 Let's put some more because it's not our money, so who cares? 58:06.600 --> 58:08.120 Let's spend the money. 58:08.120 --> 58:09.120 Thank you. 58:09.120 --> 58:11.280 Thank you, Supervisor Noda. 58:11.280 --> 58:14.160 Supervisor Tagli, a Pietra. 58:14.160 --> 58:19.840 Through the chair to come and go to the council, what if any risks do we take on by not following 58:19.840 --> 58:21.240 through with this contract? 58:21.240 --> 58:25.360 Are we at any legal risk for any production and value to the neighboring property due 58:25.360 --> 58:28.720 to our original purchase? 58:28.720 --> 58:33.640 Is there any potential litigation, you should be not approve this purchase? 58:33.640 --> 58:39.880 It has been made eminently clear since this process began that this was going to be contingent 58:39.880 --> 58:48.400 on board approval, so I don't see any legal risk to the county should the board not approve 58:48.400 --> 58:49.400 it. 58:49.400 --> 58:50.400 Okay. 58:50.400 --> 58:51.400 Thank you. 58:51.400 --> 58:53.480 Thank you, Supervisor Tagli, a Pietra. 58:53.480 --> 58:54.480 Supervisor Lux? 58:54.480 --> 58:55.480 Yes. 58:55.480 --> 59:03.600 I do want to come on and say I do agree with Supervisor Robinson and as someone who has 59:03.600 --> 59:11.440 an old soul but a young mind, I got to say it is going to be very, very difficult for 59:11.440 --> 59:16.720 that property to just generally be sold in general because like Robert and Supervisor 59:16.720 --> 59:23.000 Robinson said, who realistically does want to live next to a sex offender, you know, 59:23.000 --> 59:27.320 it is, we got to think about the community, we got to think about children, we got to 59:27.320 --> 59:33.080 think about, you know, the protection of Croatia, you know, so when I was running my campaign, 59:33.080 --> 59:37.160 my campaign settlements for the people, I live by that and I think that is what we 59:37.160 --> 59:45.640 need to do is be there for the people and if, you know, I, that's all I have to say. 59:45.640 --> 59:47.960 Thank you, Supervisor Lux. 59:47.960 --> 59:49.440 Supervisor Gray? 59:49.440 --> 59:50.440 Thank you Chairman. 59:50.440 --> 59:57.080 I was prepared to support this resolution and I think there's been a lot of great points 59:57.080 --> 01:00:01.000 made tonight from every angle, some I've never expected. 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:08.480 They're very, very valid, very solid and I do believe it deserves some further consideration 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:16.760 with all of the new perspectives given but I would disagree that we don't, I shouldn't 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.440 say it that way. 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:26.000 We aren't obligated to do anything but in the meantime, the owner of that property can't 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.560 rent it or it's very, very difficult to rent and they continue to pay taxes on it which 01:00:30.560 --> 01:00:32.200 was mentioned before. 01:00:32.200 --> 01:00:39.640 So to Supervisor Robinson's point, we do serve these people also and I think going back to 01:00:39.640 --> 01:00:43.240 committee to hash this out would be the wise thing to do. 01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:44.240 Thank you. 01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:45.720 Thank you Supervisor Gray. 01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:48.040 I just wanted to bring up a point here. 01:00:48.040 --> 01:00:53.200 We did not put those sex offenders in that house. 01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:56.760 Those sex offenders put themselves in that house. 01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.960 We had to follow the law, it was at least two years, Supervisor Decker, I think one 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:07.880 or both of those that were first slated for Salem Lakes, putting them into a park basically. 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:09.000 That's not allowed. 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.000 So the courts came down and said you need to do something and need to do it now. 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.840 We did not choose that location, that location basically chose us. 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.560 It's unfortunate that there are other homes in the area, I feel for that but we did not 01:01:24.560 --> 01:01:26.080 do that. 01:01:26.080 --> 01:01:31.600 We just understand that it's not a function that the county did to these people. 01:01:31.600 --> 01:01:39.000 I think the fact of what we paid for it was outrageous but it was needed to be done. 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:45.680 This is not a need and I 100% agree with Supervisor Decker, Supervisor Noodle that there's no 01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:51.600 plan for this property and I will not be voting to send it back to committee. 01:01:51.600 --> 01:01:52.600 Thank you. 01:01:52.600 --> 01:01:53.600 Are there any other discussion? 01:01:53.600 --> 01:01:55.800 I'm going to clear the board first of all. 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:56.800 Any other discussion? 01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:57.800 Supervisor Noodle. 01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:04.280 Just to clarify something, this is the vote to send back to committee, correct? 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:05.280 That's correct. 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:11.600 Now when we say send back to committee, just to finance committee or to vote committees? 01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:13.280 Supervisor Decker, I'll clarify. 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:20.000 The wording of my motion is to refer this back to the finance and administration and 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:27.280 public works committee to be postponed until the administration can present a plan of 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:37.520 use and fiscal analysis of the plan on the property located at 11308 Burlington Road. 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:38.520 Thank you, Supervisor Decker. 01:02:38.520 --> 01:02:39.520 Supervisor Noodle. 01:02:39.520 --> 01:02:40.520 Thank you. 01:02:40.520 --> 01:02:41.520 That's fine. 01:02:41.520 --> 01:02:42.520 I just wanted to clarify. 01:02:42.520 --> 01:02:43.520 Yeah. 01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:44.520 Okay. 01:02:44.520 --> 01:02:45.520 Thank you. 01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:51.040 I potentially kill the contract anyway because of the amount of study and research and all 01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:54.160 that that have to go in, probably looking at a new contract. 01:02:54.160 --> 01:03:02.080 I mean, if you're asking me a question, my suspicion would be that the sellers would 01:03:02.080 --> 01:03:09.080 be prepared to modify a closing date if it looked like we would still be able to close. 01:03:09.080 --> 01:03:13.480 That would be my guess, but it would still be a modification of the contract more likely. 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:14.480 Okay. 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.480 Thank you. 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:21.320 Any other discussion on the motion to send it back as Supervisor Decker explained, does 01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.120 anybody need that explained or defined again? 01:03:25.120 --> 01:03:30.840 I'll see you in no more questions. 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.200 Are we going to need a roll call vote? 01:03:34.200 --> 01:03:35.200 Thank you. 01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:37.200 Roll call vote has been called. 01:03:37.200 --> 01:03:44.320 All of those in favor of sending the motion, sending the resolution. 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:45.320 Thank you. 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:54.000 To the finance administration and public works committee with defined clearly defined goals 01:03:54.000 --> 01:04:10.760 will vote yes and all those against sending it backward vote no. 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:17.080 The motion passes to send back to committee 10 yes and I know. 01:04:17.080 --> 01:04:18.080 Okay. 01:04:18.080 --> 01:04:25.000 With the resolution passing to be sent back to committees, then the original motion then 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:29.640 would be rescinded, correct, or eliminated or exiled. 01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:30.640 It dies. 01:04:30.640 --> 01:04:31.640 Okay. 01:04:31.640 --> 01:04:33.640 Thank you. 01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:38.160 Resolution 34 from the Human Services and the Finance and Administration Committees, 01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:43.840 the resolution to approve adding one economic support specialist lead position and three 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:52.000 economic support specialist positions pursuant to 2025 Wisconsin Act 116 funding to perform 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.360 quality assurance reviews. 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.240 This passed unanimously at both committees. 01:04:57.240 --> 01:05:01.960 Supervisor Carroll was excused from the finance and administration committee. 01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:02.960 Supervisor Stalker. 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.640 Let me get this. 01:05:06.640 --> 01:05:12.880 I thought it was coming from the other committee here. 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:13.880 34. 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:14.880 It moved. 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:15.880 34. 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:16.880 Resolution 34. 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:17.880 Okay. 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:18.880 Moved by Supervisor Stalker. 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:19.880 Seconded by Supervisor Gibson. 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:20.880 Supervisor Stalker. 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:21.880 This resolution passed our committee. 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.880 Could you get into the microphone a little bit more, please? 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:24.880 Thank you. 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:26.880 Thank you. 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.880 Supervisor Stalker. 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:28.880 Any discussion? 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:29.880 Questions? 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:50.400 Seeing none, this will require a two-thirds vote as it's an amending or budget. 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:57.400 So all those in favor vote, yes, and all those against vote, no. 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:13.400 10. 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.920 Resolution passes unanimously. 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.760 Item 35 from the finance and administration committee, a resolution authorizing and providing 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:30.600 for the issuance of not to exceed 22,750,000 general obligation, promissory notes and 01:06:30.600 --> 01:06:37.160 or bonds, providing for the notification of and sale of said notes and bonds and other 01:06:37.160 --> 01:06:38.480 related details. 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.200 This passed unanimously at committee. 01:06:41.200 --> 01:06:43.040 Supervisor Carroll was excused. 01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:45.040 Supervisor Gertzen. 01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.040 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:47.040 Moved resolution 34. 01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:48.040 Moved by. 01:06:48.040 --> 01:06:49.040 35. 01:06:49.040 --> 01:06:50.040 Sorry, 35. 01:06:50.040 --> 01:06:52.400 Moved by Supervisor Gertzen. 01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:54.520 Seconded by Supervisor Noto. 01:06:54.520 --> 01:06:55.520 Supervisor Gertzen. 01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:56.520 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 01:06:56.520 --> 01:07:03.960 This resolution is to authorize the structure and issuance of our 22.75 million G.O. 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:04.960 notes. 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:10.360 And this is to fund the capital budget that was approved in the 2026 budget. 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:14.560 The sale is scheduled to occur on August 18th. 01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:20.560 A resolution will be presented to the board that evening for approval of that sale. 01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:26.120 We will meet with standard importers before the end of this month to affirm our triple 01:07:26.120 --> 01:07:28.320 A bond rating. 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.440 We also got a pre-sale report. 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.440 The county board received that. 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:39.480 It documents the initial resolutions that we used to structure the 22.75 million G.O. 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.480 notes. 01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:46.000 It outlines the issuance expense, documents, compliance with our debt policy and other 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:50.960 matters related to the sale and structure of the bonds. 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:55.960 This was approved by all members present in finance committee. 01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:59.000 We recommend approval of the board tonight. 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:03.560 We have administration and elders here tonight if we have any questions. 01:08:03.560 --> 01:08:07.840 And in addition to that, I would request a roll call. 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:13.520 It's my understanding that our record keeping would like to have a roll call for the bond 01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:15.520 issuance. 01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:16.800 Thank you, Supervisor Gertzen. 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.520 Are there any discussion, questions? 01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:21.720 Supervisor Grady. 01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:23.280 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 01:08:23.280 --> 01:08:28.360 Through the chair to our bond committee bond advisory, I know it's very difficult to look 01:08:28.360 --> 01:08:31.960 into the crystal ball and to say what's going to happen for a second week of August. 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:39.920 But if this issue were to come today, here we are in the July 21 category, what would 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.960 be the expected range of interest rates for an offering such as this? 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:56.600 Can you comment? 01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:03.200 Greg Johnson from elders in our presale report, the interest rates that we had estimated factored 01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:06.680 in higher interest rates than what we're seeing presently in the market. 01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.280 So there's about a 50 basis point cushion. 01:09:09.280 --> 01:09:11.720 So 50 basis points is half a percent. 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.760 So based on current market conditions, we would expect that the interest rates would 01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:16.680 come in more favorable. 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.920 Specifically, if it were to go to market today, can you give me a range of what the estimates 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:23.440 might be today at this particular time? 01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:28.600 I would say it would probably be within 20 to 25 basis points of lower than what we had 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:29.800 in our presale. 01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.200 A certain number would be what? 01:09:32.200 --> 01:09:34.200 I don't have the exact number for me. 01:09:34.200 --> 01:09:39.000 You can't give me a range to say between two and a half, three percent, is this not possible? 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.360 Yes, basically, if you take off 25 basis points from the rates that are in the presale report, 01:09:43.360 --> 01:09:45.120 that would be the answer I was looking for. 01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.560 Thank you all, and you'll have the floor. 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.520 Thank you, Supervisor Grady. 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.280 Any other questions? 01:09:52.280 --> 01:09:54.280 Discussion? 01:09:54.280 --> 01:09:57.600 Okay, so you know more discussion. 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:03.120 A roll call has been asked for, so if you are in favor of the resolution. 01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:04.120 I'm sorry. 01:10:04.120 --> 01:10:16.040 Yeah, it's resolution 35, vote yes, Chair Gaston, vote no. 01:10:17.040 --> 01:10:21.040 Resolution 35 passes unanimously. 01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:28.320 Communications, 30, communication from Andy M. Bueller regarding future items scheduled 01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:31.760 before the planning, development, and extension education committee. 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.760 Receive and file. 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:39.480 31, communication from Supervisor Decker, a resolution relating to consumer lending 01:10:39.480 --> 01:10:43.080 reform and predatory lending protections. 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.000 Refer to legislative committee. 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:52.440 Claims, seven, Sean, Oziland's property damage. 01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:54.480 Refer to Corporation Council. 01:10:54.480 --> 01:11:00.040 Approval of the July 21, 2026 minutes by Supervisor Decker. 01:11:00.040 --> 01:11:01.480 Supervisor Decker. 01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:03.240 Motion to approve the minutes. 01:11:03.240 --> 01:11:04.560 So second. 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:08.240 Seconded by Supervisor Robinson. 01:11:08.240 --> 01:11:10.160 Any discussion? 01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:11.160 No discussion? 01:11:11.160 --> 01:11:12.160 All those in favor? 01:11:12.160 --> 01:11:13.160 Vote aye. 01:11:13.160 --> 01:11:14.160 Aye. 01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:15.160 Opposed? 01:11:15.160 --> 01:11:16.160 Motion carries. 01:11:16.160 --> 01:11:17.160 Motion to adjourn. 01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:20.160 I'll go with Decker and Robinson on that, too. 01:11:20.160 --> 01:11:21.160 It's in two voices. 01:11:21.160 --> 01:11:23.160 All those in favor vote aye. 01:11:23.160 --> 01:11:24.160 Aye. 01:11:24.160 --> 01:11:25.160 We are adjourned.