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Start the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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This is one matter of the United States of America.

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We're meant to be republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, a roll call to supervisors.

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18, cool.

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There he is.

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19, supervisors are present.

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Supervisors, Brown, Clonia, Franco, and Morris, they are excused.

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Okay, tonight's youth in governance here are Bruno Gonzalez,

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alternate, and Samuel Sheen from finance administration.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, citizens comments.

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Are there any citizens who would like to comment tonight?

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Any citizens who would like to comment?

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Any citizens?

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See no citizens, citizens comments are closed.

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Announcements of the chair.

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I don't think I have anything to announce at this time.

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Supervisor reports.

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Supervisor Noodle.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I move to discharge the finance committee from further consideration of my motion.

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I'm division ed and I study to be placed on the next board agenda.

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Second.

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Seconded by supervisor Lux.

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Court council, did you want to?

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Sure.

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Briefly, the motion is in order.

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It's a motion to remove something from a committee.

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Bring it to the board floor.

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If the majority of the board is in favor of so doing requires a second,

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which it got, it is debatable, and would require a majority vote.

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If majority supports the motion, then the matter would be scheduled on the next board agenda.

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So we are open for debate.

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Supervisor Gray.

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I'm sorry.

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I think you know.

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Sorry.

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Supervisor Noodle.

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Sorry.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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This resolution was brought in to change from going back in 1996.

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It was that the division ed and the department ed were sorry.

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The division ed was to be brought up in order to be discharged to the board floor and vote on it.

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Then back in 2022, that was changed and it passed and I know there were some comments.

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In fact, just to refresh my memory, the last couple of days I went to look at the videos

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from that time.

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And some supervisors, which they're on this board right now, and including me,

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would say that we were going to do it maybe like in a trial base for a couple years,

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see how that worked.

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Going in the future then, back in 2022, one supervisor brought in to change it back to what it was

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because we didn't believe that it was working.

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It went through finance committee.

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It passed that the finance committee came to the county board and it passed on the vote

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of 13 tonight when one supervisor excused.

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And the next day, the county executive veto the resolution.

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So that's why we're back at that.

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So now I felt it was time to bring it back again.

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I think we should go back to what we were.

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It works a lot better.

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It's for the people working there.

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They're from more comfortable knowing that it's not going to be just for politics or whatever,

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which, by the way, I'm not insinuating anything right now, but it's something that can happen.

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If someone doesn't like someone because let's face it, it's politics and they just change

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And from one supervisor, which I don't think is here now, but it did speak in committee

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saying that the first of seven, eight years, there was a couple people to lower and then

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the two years after we changed this year, they would have made a list as many as ten

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people that either left for whatever reason, neither forcefully, whatever reason.

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But it was ten of them that left and they felt that they can not really do what they're supposed

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to do because they're afraid that if they said the wrong word, then they could be something

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against them.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, supervisor Nudo.

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Supervisor Gray, you had your line.

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I actually hit my button for a comment, so supervisor report wasn't OK.

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Supervisor Balski.

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Through the chair to supervisor Nudo, have any department heads been fired since 2022?

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I'm sure if they've been fired, but I know a lot of them, they're left.

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But isn't this specifically for firing?

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I don't need people's mind, but a lot of them, that's what, but again, it's not something

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that I can substantiate with anything.

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But there were people that were working for the county for years and years and years, and

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then all of a sudden they left, whether they were.

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Well, without due respect, I'll have a point of order.

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Supervisor Robinson.

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Point of order.

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This is the, I believe the resolution that he's discussing has to do with division heads,

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not department heads.

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Division heads.

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And so it's department heads and then the division heads.

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And so before.

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Can you speak on a microphone?

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Before.

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It's my understanding that before it was changed in 2022, the division, the department heads

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served at the pleasure of the county executive.

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But the division heads were employees, the regular employees.

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And in 2022, it changed to have the division heads also serve at the pleasure of the county

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executive.

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And so I believe that Supervisor Nudo is trying to bring it back to a discussion at the board

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of whether the next level down, the division heads should also serve at the pleasure of

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the county executive, or whether they should be considered regular employees like everything

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else.

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So it's, there is a big difference.

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I just wanted to clarify that because I'm hearing the words used interchangeably and I don't

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believe they should be.

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Thank you, Supervisor Robinson.

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So I'll go back to my original question through the Chair and Supervisor Nudo.

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Have any division heads been fired since 2022?

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You have been on the board since 22 also, Supervisor Balski.

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And so I guess you know, the answer just as well, I do well, and I guess you should know

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that about the list and people left, but fired is different for them.

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Tell us.

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Did they tell you that they take a fire or that they left?

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They didn't tell me.

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So I'm not going to say anything.

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What I say is what I know that it's true, unless what some supervisor want to question

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me saying that it's not true.

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With all, with all due respect, I'm focused on the specific resolution that says that

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division heads will report to the exit, the county executive.

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To my knowledge, no one has been fired.

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Now that's much different than somebody quitting, and I can't get into why people would leave

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because I didn't have exit interviews with them, but with all due respect, I'm going

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to vote no on this because I don't believe that anybody was fired.

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Thank you, Supervisor Belsky.

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Supervisor Gibson.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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This failed in our committee and this policy that allows this to come back to the full

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board where the majority was one that I actually proposed when we were going through our rules

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process.

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And I agree with this policy.

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I think it's a good policy, but I'm going to be voting no on this action tonight.

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We killed it in committee.

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I waved my file in the air and talked to everyone at committee, and I said, if there's

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any one that would like to discuss this with me, I'm happy to do it, but I didn't want

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to spend the time in committee at the time, but I haven't heard one argument in favor

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of this that holds any water.

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I could go through 30 of them tonight and debunk all the arguments, but at will is a

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better policy for the county, and I'll be voting no to bring this back under our rules

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that permit this to come back, but I need to agenda with a majority of 12.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Supervisor Gibson.

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Any more discussion?

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Any more discussion?

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All right.

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Seeing more, no other discussion, we ask there's a roll call vote asked for?

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Yes.

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So, all of those who are in favor of bringing the resolution out of committee and straight

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to the board, is that correct, Joe, out of committee, instead of going to the committee

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bringing it to the board, that's what we're voting on.

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And then should that pass, then we'll have a different vote, but this is just to bring

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the resolution that failed at finance off the finance committee, bring it right here to

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the board.

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If we want to do that, yes, if you don't want to do that, that would be a no.

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Sorry.

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To be clear, we wouldn't take action on the underlying resolution this evening, it would

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be on a future agenda.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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So, all those in favor of the resolution vote yes, and all those not in favor would vote no.

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All those in favor of the resolution vote yes, and all those in favor of the motion.

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There's a six yeses.

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Supervisor Gray, you had a comment.

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Yeah, this is having nothing to do with that.

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It's simply a report.

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Commerce Farm, which is at 5646 place in Kenosha, is holding an open house this Sunday.

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For the third or fourth year in a row, they're demonstrating sustainable farming practices

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that among other things help management of stormwater, and we'll be hearing more about

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stormwater in the future.

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So, it's from 11 to 3 this Sunday, if anybody needs that address again, I'm happy to provide

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Supervisor Gray.

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Are there any other Supervisor comments?

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Any other Supervisor comments?

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Say no.

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Supervisor comments.

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We'll move on to our next new business.

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New business resolution 28 from the planning development and extension education committee,

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a resolution annual report, a multi-jurisdictional plan for Kenosha County 2035, the 2024 annual

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report.

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This past unanimously at committee, Supervisor Gray and Lux were excused.

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I'm going to go to Meadows on this one.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Move by Supervisor Meadows.

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Seconded by Supervisor Kirby.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Yes, this is a simple resolution.

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Sorry.

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Can you hear me now?

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Yeah, there we go.

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This is a simple resolution of, it's a commitment from the committee once a year to provide an

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annual report of a summary of all of the changes to the comprehensive plan and the

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land use map.

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This didn't happen for the 2024 report, so this is going back a year to 2024, similarly

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the next one's going to be for 2025, but it passed unanimously at committee.

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You can read the resolution or read the document to see all of the changes to the map, but

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I ask for your approval.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Is there any discussion?

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Seeing no discussion, all those in favor, vote aye.

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Aye.

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All those motion passes.

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Resolution 29 from the planning development and extension education committee, a resolution

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annual report, a multi-jurisdictional plan for Kenosha County 2035, the 2025 annual report.

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This past unanimously at committee, Supervisor Gray and Lux were excused.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Move resolution 29.

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Move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor Kirby, Supervisor Meadows.

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The same as the last resolution, but for the year 2025, we ask for your support.

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Any further discussion?

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All those in favor, vote aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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4.

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Against.

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Not.

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Motion passes.

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Resolution 30 from the public works facilities and the finance administration committees, a

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resolution to approve a contract regarding float the river tubing at Fox River Park.

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This past at both committees from public works, Supervisor Belsky voted no.

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From finance, Supervisor Nuto voted no.

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And Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Move resolution 30.

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Move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor Geertzt and Supervisor Meadows.

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Yeah, this is the float the river, float the Fox River tubing has a temporary use permit

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to provide a tubing experience along the Fox River and they're seeking a full contract

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for five years to do that on a more permanent basis.

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There were some questions in committee about some of the insurance coverage, making sure

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that we're lively covered, but it did pass both committees and we ask for your support.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Supervisor Belsky.

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Thank you, Chair.

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First of all, I'd like to say a very heartfelt thank you to Director Moore.

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I know that a lot of these for-profit venues that are now participating at our parks are

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new, RFPs have gone out and I think he's really done an amazing job in not only the RFPs,

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but responding and he did answer all of my questions.

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I'm taking every precaution with these new contracts because they involve a for-profit

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business, they involve our county parks, they involve liquor and I just want to make sure

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that we're being very, very thorough and not rushing any of these contracts through because

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we will set a precedent.

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I think that $25,000 that we could bring in as revenue is overshadowed by potential liabilities

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if we don't get these contracts right.

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So I was very appreciative that he answered all of my questions.

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I received some more today, which I'm appreciative of.

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As I said, I think he's done a real good job with this and especially in the time that

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he's had.

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So I will be voting yes tonight.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Supervisor Belsky.

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Mr. Meadows, how does this contract compare to other private partnership contracts that

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we have out there, the beer garden, what's our boundless adventures, the beer garden

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Pringle Nature Center, although that one's not for-profit.

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We've got Director Moore here, he can answer questions better than I, but it's not that

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different.

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There's a lot of liability coverages that are spelled out in the contract.

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The other ones that we're referring to tonight are tenure contracts.

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Well, this one is only for five years, so that's a slight variance from some of our

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other ones.

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Do you have specific questions about what it contains?

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Not specific.

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I just, just, if they were comparably similar.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I would say so.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Any further discussion?

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No?

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This is going to require a two-thirds vote.

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So if you are in favor of the resolution for the float, the Fox River tubing contract,

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you will vote yes.

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If you are not in favor, you will vote no.

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Resolution passes 18, yes, 1, no.

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Resolution 31, from the public works and facilities and finance and administration committees,

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a resolution to approve a contract regarding petrifying springs, beer garden operations.

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This passed unanimously at both committees.

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Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committees.

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Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 31, moved by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor

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Gertson.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Yes, this is a renewal of an existing contract with the petrifying springs, beer gardens

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operation.

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They've been a good business partner for us and we're looking to renew their contract

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for a further 10 years.

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So we ask for your support.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Any other questions?

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I'm sorry.

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Supervisor Belsky.

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Again, this is another contract that went out for RFP for the first time.

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And I think Director Moore did a very thorough job.

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Of course, I had additional questions that were answered very promptly.

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And some of my questions or some of the content of the contract was clarified.

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I would say that my only outstanding concern right now because this is a for-profit business

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is twofold.

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One, the RFP went out for 10 years.

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I would have preferred to have seen five.

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And then number two is we've been spending a lot of money at Petrifying Springs to help

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this for-profit business.

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And while I think there is a great partnership, I'd like to understand probably every couple

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years a report to the Public Works Department on what improvements they specifically are

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going to make because they've only identified one.

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It seems to me we're putting in a lot of money into the park for this for-profit and

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we're getting a 15% growth, I believe, percentage.

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So I would like to also see for these private or for these public relations, or how can

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I say this, for this, the revenue that's generated from these contracts for a for-profit

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business.

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I'd like to see specific line items on the budget so that we know.

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So it's not all just going into one generic parks department.

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I'd like to see it broken down on how much we're actually bringing in by month and then

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maybe they report annually to the Public Works and then it comes up to the board.

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Likewise I'd like to see a comparison on how much the County is investing in the area

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that has to do with this partnership to make sure there's an even swap because while it's

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said that they contributed thousands of dollars to the public restrooms at Petrifying Springs,

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it's clear to me how much profit was actually brought in and how much of it was applied

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to the bathroom project.

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I think we need clear delineation on money that's brought in versus money that is contributed

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to improvements so that we can understand exactly what they're doing.

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Not that I don't trust our Public Works Department because I do, but I'd like to see the hard

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numbers when we're talking about this.

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So again, I will be approving this tonight, but I would prefer to see the next RFP for

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a for-profit business remain at five years.

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And the last thing is if they should transfer ownership or anything, I had concern about

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it just going to the Public Works Department.

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I think if they transfer ownership, even though they're operating under the same agreement,

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I think it should come back to Committee and to the Board to review and approve.

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I think it's just standard.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Supervisor Belsky.

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Supervisor Gertzen.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Through the Chair, to our Budget Director, could I please, I'm going to support this resolution,

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but could I please request the reports that were discussed at budget time?

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Could we please, could you please make it a point to provide those reports at budget

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time?

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Yes, I'll make that a commitment.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Supervisor Gertzen.

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Supervisor Tagliapietra.

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It's like just to be out of support of this contract and the commitment that this company

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has made to our parks over the last 10 years and what they've put in, it seems silly not

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to encourage them to continue it when nobody else is on the table making it happen.

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I'm looking forward to see what they can do to improve the park in the next 10.

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Thank you, Supervisor Tagliapietra.

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Any other discussion?

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Seeing no other discussion, all of those in favor, I'm sorry, budget modification.

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The last one had a budget modification?

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Right, that's what it was, yeah.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, any further discussions or questions?

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Okay, all those in favor, vote aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Resolution 32 from the Public Works and Facilities and Finance Administration Committees, a resolution

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to approve a contract regarding Pringle Nature's Center Operations.

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This passed unanimously at both committees.

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Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings.

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Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 32, move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor

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Gertzen.

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Supervisor Meadows, yeah, this is the last of our contracts for tonight.

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This is a resolution to approve a new 10-year contract with the Pringle Nature Center.

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It did a pass of both committees unanimously.

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I think most people already agree that it's been an amazing partnership with this organization

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and they do a phenomenal job.

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So I highly recommend you approve this and we ask for your support.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Is there any discussion?

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Seeing no discussion.

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All those in favor, vote aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Resolution 33 from Public Works and Facilities and the Finance Administration Committees, a

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resolution to purchase property at 11308 Burlington Road.

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This passed at both committees from Finance, Supervisor Zoodle and Pollack, quoted nay.

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Supervisor Carroll was excused from both committee meetings.

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Supervisor Meadows, move resolution 33, move by Supervisor Meadows, seconded by Supervisor

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Gertzen.

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Supervisor Meadows.

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Yes, this is a resolution to acquire a property adjacent to another one that we recently purchased.

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If you recall, a few months back, we purchased a home on Burlington Road to place some sex

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offenders that had finished their jail time.

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The property owner adjacent to them, there's only two houses in that small little section.

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The property owner approached us wanting to sell.

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So this was brought to the county.

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It passed both committees, Public Works and Finance.

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The idea, or a possible idea in the future is to combine it into one larger partial once

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we no longer are required to place these people and which would increase the value of the property.

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So we ask for your approval.

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Thank you, Supervisor Meadows.

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Supervisor Decker.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I am speaking to ask you to either vote no on this resolution or if you're not comfortable

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doing that to refer it back to committee.

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I want to begin by acknowledging something.

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Last August, I voted to purchase the property at 11312 Burlington Road.

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I did so because chapter 980 left Kenosha County with very limited options.

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I believe we had a legal obligation to provide housing, even though I had concerns that we

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were paying substantially more than the property was worth.

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Today's vote is different.

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This isn't about complying with chapter 980.

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This is about whether we should spend another $425,000 of taxpayer money without having

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adequate answers to some very important questions.

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Before speaking tonight, I went back and did my homework.

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I re-watched the August 14, 2025 joint Jadair Sherry and Law Committee and Public Works Committee

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meeting.

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I re-watched the August 19, 2025 full county board meeting.

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I also watched the July 16, 2026 joint judiciary and law committee and Public Works Committee

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meeting regarding this property.

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I wanted to make sure my concerns were based on record, not my memory.

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One thing stood out to me.

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Corporation Council recently sent an email stating, quote unquote, at that time there

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was some discussion that we might explore acquiring the property next door, 11308.

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I respectfully disagree with that characterization.

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After reviewing both the committee meeting and the county board meeting, I did not see

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any discussion during the meeting about purchasing the 11308 Burlington Road property.

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If someone can point me to that committee discussion, I'd welcome it.

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But after reviewing those meetings myself, I didn't hear it.

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That matters because this proposal is being presented as though it has been part of the

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county long-term plan all along.

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I don't believe the public records supports that.

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My next concern is the appraisal and the market analysis.

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The market analysis relies on only three comparable sales.

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And one of those comparable sales is the county's own purchase of the 1132 Burlington Road property.

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Many of us believed that purchase occurred under extraordinary circumstances because

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we had an immediate legal obligation under chapter 980.

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If we believed those circumstances resulted in paying a premium, then I question whether

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that sale should now be used as evidence of fair market value for another purchase.

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And the remaining two comparable sales are also material different properties, including

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larger four bedroom homes with different features.

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At minimum, I think those concerns deserve additional review before approving another

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purchase.

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My next concern is the lack of a clear plan.

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I've heard many different ideas.

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I've heard the home may eventually be demolished.

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I've heard it could become a veteran's home.

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I've heard it could become a substance abuse treatment facility.

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I've heard it yet could be another youth group home.

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I've also heard it will eventually be sold.

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Even Corporation Council has referred to presumably selling the property.

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Those are all very different policy decisions.

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But none of those decisions are reflected in the resolution before us.

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And a plan should be discussed and agreed upon before we approve the resolution.

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But perhaps my greatest concern is about the role of this board.

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Under Wisconsin law and under our county's governance structure, one of the most important

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authorities this board has is approving the purchase of real property.

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That's exactly what we're doing tonight.

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Once we approve this purchase, there's no budget amendment before us.

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And this resolution contains no direction from the county board regarding the property's

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future use.

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That means we are exercising our authority to purchase the property without exercising

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our responsibility to establish the policy for what should happen to it.

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If the board wants this property sold when it is no longer needed, that should be in

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the resolution.

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If the board wants it demolished, that should be in the resolution.

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If the board intends another public use, that should be in the resolution.

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But we should not purchase the property first and then decide later why we bought it.

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That is not good governance.

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I also question the urgency.

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The property at 11308 has been vacant for over a year and in that time has never been

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on the market for sale.

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The chapter 980 residence at 11312 is operating as intended.

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Nothing changes if we wait.

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But a great deal could change if we spend $425,000 before answering these questions.

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Finally, every time government purchases another home, it removes that property from the tax

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rolls.

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That means less tax base for Kenosha County, the village of Summers, Kenosha Unified School

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District, Gateway Technical College, and the other taxing jurisdictions that depend on

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those revenues.

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At the same time, we have spent years talking about the need for more housing and housing

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affordability.

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Governments should be cautious about taking another home off the market unless there

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is a clear and compelling public purpose.

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Tonight, I don't believe we have reached that point.

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If you believe the purchase has not been justified, I ask that you vote no.

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If you're not ready to vote no, then I respectfully ask that you support referring this resolution

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back to committee.

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Let's answer these questions.

492
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,240
Let's establish a clear policy.

493
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:38,840
Let's make sure the resolution reflects the county board's intent before we authorize another

494
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,360
$425,000 expenditure.

495
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520
There is no emergency.

496
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,280
There is time to get this right.

497
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,000
And with that, I would like to make a motion to refer this back to the finance and administration

498
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,640
and public works committees to be postponed until the administration can present a plan

499
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:08,800
of use and fiscal analysis of the plan on the property located at 11308 Burlington Road.

500
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Second.

501
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080
Second by Supervisor Belsky.

502
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Any discussion on the new motion?

503
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,720
Supervisor Kirby, did you have a discussion on the new motion or on the original motion?

504
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:26,720
Okay.

505
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:27,720
Hold on.

506
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:28,720
Just a minute.

507
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:29,720
Okay.

508
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:39,200
Supervisor Stalker, this might cover both of them, but it sounds to me like this is

509
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:45,400
the appraised value is not what it should be, and it seems like we're spending a lot

510
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,920
more money for this property than what it would really be worth.

511
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Okay.

512
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Thank you.

513
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Supervisor Stalker.

514
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Supervisor Noodle.

515
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Thank you.

516
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:03,040
First of all, I want to say thank you to Supervisor Decker for much summarize everything

517
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:11,120
that I did say on committee in a very, very more eloquent way to say it.

518
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160
And I appreciate that.

519
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,600
I would not be against to send it back to committee.

520
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:24,760
However, I don't believe we should even think about purchasing the property because again,

521
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,640
first of all, we cannot change the contract and the corporation council can correct me

522
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,960
if I'm wrong because the only conditions that we have on this contract is approval

523
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,200
of the board.

524
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,120
So we want to make any changes.

525
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,760
Actually, we cannot do it.

526
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,120
Either we reject it or we take what it is.

527
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:53,120
So I would prefer that we vote on it, reject this based on the most of the things again

528
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:59,440
that I said in committees and Supervisor Decker explained even a lot better way.

529
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,560
It's just a lot better speaker than I am, I might want to admit that, but it's true.

530
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:10,840
So one thing that I want to say also which about the appraisal, everybody's talking about

531
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,680
the appraisal, which I've brought it up before.

532
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,760
It's not an appraisal.

533
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160
It's just a market analysis.

534
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,160
It's nothing.

535
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,800
Nobody would even end up running in the property.

536
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,520
I mentioned that when we purchased the property, which I was against at the last time, pretty

537
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:33,720
much everybody knew that we paid a list, 125 to 150,000 dollars more than what the property

538
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:34,720
was worth.

539
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:41,600
Now, here we are paying the same amount for the property that is worth less than the other

540
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,600
one.

541
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Number one thing is the county, Kalisha County, should not be in the business of property

542
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,960
investment.

543
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Let the realtors do.

544
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Let the property stay there.

545
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,200
So we're doing this to keep it and we don't know how long we're going to keep the other

546
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,200
property.

547
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,480
Those people in there could be at least five, six years and with three of them, one could

548
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880
go out but other two could stay maybe for another 10 years.

549
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,880
So what are we going to do?

550
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,920
Keep the property of the tax roll and everything.

551
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:26,280
I think it's another thing is about the inspection contingency over the committee level.

552
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:32,000
I did mention what happened the last time that we did not have an inspection.

553
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,640
I questioned that and I was told that everything was fine.

554
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,600
Then we found out that there was water here and I'm working.

555
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,760
And one supervisor pretty much told me that I was wrong and I want to make sure that we

556
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,760
go on record.

557
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,760
That I was 100% right.

558
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,360
I did talk to Matt Storino, I don't know if he's here tonight or not, is there?

559
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,400
And he could confirm that and then what I said at the committee, that's exactly what

560
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,480
happened and I ate when somebody calls me a liar and that's pretty much what I was done

561
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,960
the other night.

562
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:16,280
So this year I was told if I need to, that's the first one to take it to go back to committee

563
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:26,120
but at that point, still my preference will be to vote on it tonight, reject the purchase

564
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,120
and go from there.

565
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Thank you.

566
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,320
Thank you Supervisor No No.

567
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:55,720
Okay, any further discussion on any further discussion?

568
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,160
Supervisor Gertz, thank you Mr. Chairman.

569
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Through the chair to the court counsel, a couple things that were mentioned in the motion to

570
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,480
refer back.

571
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,280
One is in order to buy property by law, the county board has to approve that.

572
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,880
In order to sell property, does the county, does that also require county board approval?

573
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Yes, it does.

574
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,320
Okay, thank you.

575
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,560
And I know that there's some properties that are awaiting demo and we've talked about demo

576
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:34,120
but does that not require approval of the board to do a demo, both from a budget standpoint

577
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,680
and from a property management standpoint?

578
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,080
I believe so, yes.

579
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Okay, we need money to do the demo and we have to approve that.

580
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,760
So we already have a budget that addresses the majority of the concerns that were enveloped

581
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:56,640
and policy that were enveloped within the statement to refer back to the committee.

582
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,240
So we already have policy that addresses that.

583
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:10,240
On the comment that we were considering this purchase of the next store property, the one

584
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,600
we're considering tonight, at the time we were acquiring the first property, could you

585
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:19,160
please comment on that?

586
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:26,200
I'm certainly not going to dispute the supervisor Decker's comments based on her review of the

587
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,200
record.

588
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,080
It was a reflection that it was mentioned, at least in passing, perhaps it wasn't, perhaps

589
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,800
there was a conversation that was happening internally and not with the board.

590
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:47,680
So I'll simply say that certainly the owner of the neighboring property, when news of

591
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:54,080
this was happening last year had reached out to the county, if that wasn't discussed

592
00:40:54,080 --> 00:41:00,280
as part of the purchase of that property, then certainly, again, I'm not disputing

593
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:07,360
Supervisor Decker's assessment or summary of what she listened to.

594
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,720
Okay, thank you, Corporation.

595
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:23,160
So the purchase of this policy, there were reasons why the resolution to approve this

596
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,240
property, the reasons we did it, one was, the reasons that it was brought to us, one

597
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:32,600
was it's good, we're being good corporate citizens, is that one of the reasons we did

598
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,600
this?

599
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
I believe that was one of the statements, yes.

600
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:45,520
And then it was security, another reason that we have this house right next to this, the

601
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,680
one we own, and security was another reason why we did it.

602
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,000
It certainly would allow us to sort of control the property, create a buffer around the property

603
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,320
that we have for the individuals without having to worry about what or what is not happening

604
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,320
next door.

605
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,320
Okay, thank you.

606
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:08,520
And then one last comment, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for indulging me.

607
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,200
There's been a lot of discussion on the market value of this property.

608
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,760
I mean, we're not, it's correct, we're not in the business of buying and selling real

609
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,760
estate.

610
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,280
We should have been in this position if we weren't acquiring the property.

611
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,240
And at the time that we were having this discussion, court counsel, you said the worst case was

612
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,200
that if we don't comply with the court order, the predators could be released in the community

613
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,680
and you cited instances where that has happened in the past.

614
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,760
So we were taking action to protect the community here.

615
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Now, by buying the property next door, we're further taking action to protect the community

616
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,720
because there's a security element here.

617
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,560
We can secure the perimeter, but there's been a lot of discussion on the market value and

618
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,120
the appraisal versus the market analysis.

619
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:07,680
And I think generally, I know that the market value in Kenosha has been increasing significantly

620
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,920
faster on residential property than nationwide.

621
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,640
But can you at least advise the board on information, the most recent information you may have

622
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,400
on market value?

623
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:29,720
I can simply say that I spoke Friday and then again yesterday with the real estate agent

624
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:35,440
who had done that market analysis, he indicated that there were other properties in the area

625
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:43,120
that he believed were comparable that had sold for the purchase price or higher, I believe

626
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,120
he had initially told me about half a dozen since the start of the year.

627
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,240
So that was not just the comparables in the market analysis.

628
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,320
That was other comparables outside the market analysis.

629
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,320
Correct.

630
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,320
He didn't provide me with that information, but anecdotally, that's what he advised me.

631
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,320
anecdotally.

632
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,320
Okay.

633
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,320
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

634
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,760
I'm not going to favor the motion to refer, although I'm certainly happy to have it sent

635
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,360
back to my committee, our committee, and revet the thing, but I think we have enough information

636
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:18,360
tonight to make a decision, and so I'm going to vote against referring back to committee.

637
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Thank you.

638
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,360
I yield.

639
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,360
Thank you, Mr. Pfizer and Garrison.

640
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,360
Supervisor Kirby.

641
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,360
Hi.

642
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,360
I was initially not going to speak, but just in case, I will be voting against the motion

643
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,840
to send this back to committee because I see absolutely no reason why we can't vote

644
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,840
no tonight.

645
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,000
I feel like this is a highly speculative endeavor.

646
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:45,080
I don't know if anybody else remembers 2009, 2008 somewhere in there.

647
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,360
We don't know what's going to happen with the housing market.

648
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,680
So us purchasing a property that we don't absolutely have to purchase, like with the

649
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,320
last one, I think with a lot of other supervisors here, I didn't want to buy that house.

650
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,080
But we had to, we had a legal obligation, and that was the smart financial decision

651
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,320
for us at that point in time, and it helped protect the community.

652
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,120
That made sense.

653
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Purchasing a property next door to it, I just can't see any reason to do it.

654
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,960
And then there's the added factor.

655
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,640
We do not know when we are going to be able to sell that other property.

656
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,440
We could be sitting on this for 10 years, and then we have two properties off the tax

657
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,440
rolls.

658
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,320
So anyways, I'm going to vote against the motion to send it back to committee because

659
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,440
I would like us to just vote no on it tonight.

660
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Thank you, Supervisor Kirby.

661
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,360
Supervisor Metals?

662
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,360
I yield.

663
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Never mind.

664
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,920
All right, Supervisor Gasky.

665
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

666
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,480
Through the Chair to Corporation Council, Supervisor Noodle had mentioned that if this

667
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,760
were to be referred back to committee, that the committee or the board would have little

668
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,320
opportunity to make any modifications or changes.

669
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Could you just speak to the accuracy of that?

670
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,280
If this were to get sent back to committee, what opportunities would that afford us?

671
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,920
There would be an opportunity if there's further vetting, if there's further information

672
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,240
that people want, but the Supervisor Noodle is correct, the offer has been agreed to

673
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,320
by the parties.

674
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:30,160
It was contingent on board approval, you know, if I don't think there's really, I mean,

675
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,480
could I speak with the other parties, certainly, but I mean, in terms of as a practical matter,

676
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,320
we have an agreement that just is waiting on the board to either approve it or not.

677
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,520
Okay, thank you.

678
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,520
That being said, I would agree with Supervisor Kirby.

679
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,040
I would favor the idea of rather than sending this back to committee that we just simply

680
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,360
voted up or down tonight.

681
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,800
And I personally don't see any compelling reason for us to purchase this property.

682
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
I don't see a clear use for this property.

683
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,120
And again, the cost of this property does appear to be somewhat inflated.

684
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,680
So given the lack of clarity for the use of it, given the lack of a compelling reason

685
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,600
to purchase it and the price, I would rather just see us vote this up down tonight and

686
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,080
I would plan to vote it down.

687
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,280
Thank you.

688
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,800
Thank you, Supervisor Gashke, Supervisor Robinson.

689
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,680
I think that one of the things that we should look at is not only are we spending money

690
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:36,900
for a property, but also what have we, what is our role and how have we impacted the

691
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,720
owners of this property?

692
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,320
This is not a property that is in the middle of a block with a whole lot of residential

693
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,400
around it.

694
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,760
We came into an area where there were two houses.

695
00:47:49,760 --> 00:48:01,000
We placed sex offenders that cannot be released for quite a while into this house, which materially

696
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,280
impacted the house next door.

697
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Would you buy a house knowing that there are sex offenders next door?

698
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,880
No.

699
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Would most people know?

700
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:22,160
So one of the things that we also have a responsibility to our citizens about is not

701
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:30,160
just the fiscal responsibility of should we spend X number of dollars for a property.

702
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:37,480
And I believe that our Corporation Council and Mr. Storino and other people have done

703
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,640
due diligence in saying it's not just the house next door, but here's six houses, seven

704
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:50,600
houses, eight houses of approximate same amount.

705
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,120
We've all got pictures.

706
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,960
We can see that it's a livable house.

707
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,520
It is from all intents and purposes and from what I could see, the water heater is fine.

708
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Everything seems, the mechanicals are fine.

709
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,880
In other committees, we are talking about the need for veterans homes.

710
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:19,400
We're talking about the need for substance abuse treatment, small group homes.

711
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,240
Do we have a specific plan for this property at this moment?

712
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,240
No.

713
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,520
But are those discussions ongoing with other agencies?

714
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,760
Yes.

715
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:36,480
Because we all know that we need more homes, more substance abuse homes.

716
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,240
Should I normally be in favor of this if it was on a regular street with houses on

717
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,240
both sides?

718
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,240
No.

719
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:49,720
But I do think that we need to take some responsibility for the harm that we the county have done

720
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:57,360
by putting sex offenders next to a family that has lived there for years.

721
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Is it a difficult decision?

722
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Yes.

723
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:09,360
I tend to think that we need to consider that as well as just dollars each direction.

724
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,000
If this comes back to committee, I don't really care.

725
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,160
As Supervisor Gertzen says, we'll discuss it again.

726
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:21,120
We can add things if that makes other supervisors more comfortable.

727
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:27,120
But I think we also need to recognize that there is more to this specific situation than

728
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,640
just we buy one property.

729
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,600
Because I think a whole lot of citizens would be very uncomfortable with the idea that we

730
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:40,840
the county could come in and do this and buy a property on their street and then just kind

731
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,240
of turn around and walk away.

732
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,920
Thank you, Supervisor Robinson.

733
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Supervisor Belsky.

734
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Thank you.

735
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:55,040
The reason I seconded this resolution is for the resolution itself.

736
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:01,080
I know that we cannot make changes to the agreement to purchase the house.

737
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:07,960
But I think that we have a responsibility to our constituents that we know what we're

738
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,920
going to do with this facility.

739
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Right now it's been empty for a year.

740
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Let's there's no big rush.

741
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,400
Nobody's been living in it.

742
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,520
Nobody's being subjected to the tenants next door.

743
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,200
Let's figure out how we could use this to our advantage.

744
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Let's figure out since it is our responsibility, can it be used for veterans, can it be used

745
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,280
for another purpose?

746
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,920
That's what the resolution is for.

747
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,800
And we we should it is our responsibility to make that happen so that we aren't blindly

748
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
going into this without a plan.

749
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,880
We should have a plan.

750
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,280
So that's why I believe it should go back to committee and through the chair to corporate

751
00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:00,480
council, which realtor did the market value analysis?

752
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:13,680
It was sent to everybody beginning of July, but it was done by Daniel Crucco.

753
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Who is he with?

754
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,240
At the properties.

755
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,480
Is that somebody we normally do business with?

756
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,600
We've used him for other county business, yes, okay.

757
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:31,920
So I would ask that we send it back to committee so that from a resolution standpoint, we have

758
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,400
a plan.

759
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,080
We should have a plan.

760
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,840
We shouldn't just buy this and then say, well, maybe it's going to set empty.

761
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Maybe it's going to be used for something.

762
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,000
That's what the resolution is about.

763
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,880
It's not just approving the agreement between the two parties.

764
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,240
It's how are we going to use this?

765
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,640
And then we can decide if it's an up or down vote.

766
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,680
But I think it's on us to take that responsibility.

767
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,560
So I agree with referring it back.

768
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,560
Thank you.

769
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Thank you.

770
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,560
Supervisor Belsky.

771
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Supervisor Nuto.

772
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,560
Thank you.

773
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,520
I just got a couple of comments.

774
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:21,480
I believe Supervisor Robinson mentioned that we should, because we'll purchase the property,

775
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,120
this property, we're not in value, because nobody wants to leave next to sex or fund

776
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,120
or whatever.

777
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:33,160
Well, if that's the case that we want to be in the Christmas mood and give some gifts

778
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,400
to everyone, there is a couple of properties right across from there.

779
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,360
Even though there are commercial properties, I believe one is quick trip and the other

780
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,160
one is, please help me, the first food covers.

781
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Well, because there's a lot of kids that go there, you know, at covers or whatever.

782
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,200
In fact, I used to take my rain kits there because it's out of the way and everything.

783
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Not that it's sex offenders.

784
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,840
There may be people will not go there.

785
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,440
So they're losing business with it.

786
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Should we give them some money?

787
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,800
So they can recoup what they're losing.

788
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,240
That is the fact of life, if you buy a property, you never know what's going to happen next

789
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,240
door to my house.

790
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,240
Somebody can come over.

791
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,640
So we're not in that.

792
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:28,320
And the other thing is, how much time do we have for the board to approve the offer to

793
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,760
the chair to Corporation Council?

794
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,840
I know I looked at it, but I don't recall it.

795
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:39,360
I don't want to go through the offer now to see what it has to be done by.

796
00:54:39,360 --> 00:55:01,560
Contract the time is over the office.

797
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:08,880
The contract calls for a closing before or no later than August 28th.

798
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Okay.

799
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:17,520
But when does he have to be approved by the county board?

800
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,520
I don't know.

801
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,520
There was a deadline for that.

802
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,520
And, you know, obviously before we could close.

803
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,520
Okay.

804
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,040
Which, basically, it's not going to be that much time or whatever, but even if it is,

805
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,040
it's a material.

806
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,240
The other thing is speaking about the so-called appraisal, the market analysis.

807
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:39,080
I believe Corporation Council said that he talked to the real estate agent.

808
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,080
They did it.

809
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:46,480
And they could have used another, or maybe appraisal or, sorry, conveyorables with this

810
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,480
property.

811
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,480
Well, and that's the case.

812
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,480
When did he do it?

813
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,400
He used the property next door, which he should have known the property actually it's got

814
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,200
it in there, that the property was listed for $325,000.

815
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,280
And then it was sold for $425.

816
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:12,160
So a real estate agent added for over two years before they started to have a couple

817
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,280
million dollars and then they kept on coming down.

818
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,440
But for the last six months was listed $335, I believe.

819
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:26,040
And then we put in an offer for price and it came in rejected and we offered the $425.

820
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,800
He also put it in there that this property, the one that they were trying to buy now,

821
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:41,640
has been for sale, listed for sale for $425,000.

822
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,400
This property was not listed for sale.

823
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:56,960
And since I believe there were some interest or some tolls involved with the seller about

824
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:04,320
purchasing this property ever since we purchased the other property, now this is not a complete

825
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,960
fact, just rumors that I think that I can believe it, why did we wait until the last

826
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,920
minute all the time?

827
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:19,040
The last time where the walls are vexed against the wall, like Supervisor Baker said, we had

828
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,040
to do it.

829
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,680
I mean, first of all, why did we put ourselves in that position?

830
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,680
Now we're doing this here.

831
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:30,280
It seems like every time at the last minute they tried to shut something down our throat

832
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,800
and I think it's enough is enough and we should just vote no.

833
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,760
And the main reason is we don't want to be in the real estate business, the county should

834
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,680
not be in the real estate investment business and if we do, then we should know what the

835
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:50,280
heck we're doing, not purchase properties over their value, that maybe in five, six

836
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:55,120
years we can sell it for our price and save some money.

837
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Instead of losing whatever we are on this house, we sell it, if we ever will, we're going

838
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,800
to lose a lot more to this house.

839
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,600
Let's put some more because it's not our money, so who cares?

840
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,120
Let's spend the money.

841
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Thank you.

842
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Thank you, Supervisor Noda.

843
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,160
Supervisor Tagli, a Pietra.

844
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,840
Through the chair to come and go to the council, what if any risks do we take on by not following

845
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,240
through with this contract?

846
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,360
Are we at any legal risk for any production and value to the neighboring property due

847
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,720
to our original purchase?

848
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,640
Is there any potential litigation, you should be not approve this purchase?

849
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:39,880
It has been made eminently clear since this process began that this was going to be contingent

850
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:48,400
on board approval, so I don't see any legal risk to the county should the board not approve

851
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,400
it.

852
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,400
Okay.

853
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:51,400
Thank you.

854
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,480
Thank you, Supervisor Tagli, a Pietra.

855
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,480
Supervisor Lux?

856
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Yes.

857
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:03,600
I do want to come on and say I do agree with Supervisor Robinson and as someone who has

858
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:11,440
an old soul but a young mind, I got to say it is going to be very, very difficult for

859
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,720
that property to just generally be sold in general because like Robert and Supervisor

860
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Robinson said, who realistically does want to live next to a sex offender, you know,

861
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,320
it is, we got to think about the community, we got to think about children, we got to

862
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:33,080
think about, you know, the protection of Croatia, you know, so when I was running my campaign,

863
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,160
my campaign settlements for the people, I live by that and I think that is what we

864
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:45,640
need to do is be there for the people and if, you know, I, that's all I have to say.

865
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,960
Thank you, Supervisor Lux.

866
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,440
Supervisor Gray?

867
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Thank you Chairman.

868
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:57,080
I was prepared to support this resolution and I think there's been a lot of great points

869
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,000
made tonight from every angle, some I've never expected.

870
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:08,480
They're very, very valid, very solid and I do believe it deserves some further consideration

871
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:16,760
with all of the new perspectives given but I would disagree that we don't, I shouldn't

872
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,440
say it that way.

873
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:26,000
We aren't obligated to do anything but in the meantime, the owner of that property can't

874
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,560
rent it or it's very, very difficult to rent and they continue to pay taxes on it which

875
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,200
was mentioned before.

876
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:39,640
So to Supervisor Robinson's point, we do serve these people also and I think going back to

877
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,240
committee to hash this out would be the wise thing to do.

878
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,240
Thank you.

879
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,720
Thank you Supervisor Gray.

880
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,040
I just wanted to bring up a point here.

881
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,200
We did not put those sex offenders in that house.

882
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,760
Those sex offenders put themselves in that house.

883
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,960
We had to follow the law, it was at least two years, Supervisor Decker, I think one

884
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:07,880
or both of those that were first slated for Salem Lakes, putting them into a park basically.

885
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,000
That's not allowed.

886
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:15,000
So the courts came down and said you need to do something and need to do it now.

887
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,840
We did not choose that location, that location basically chose us.

888
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,560
It's unfortunate that there are other homes in the area, I feel for that but we did not

889
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,080
do that.

890
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,600
We just understand that it's not a function that the county did to these people.

891
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:39,000
I think the fact of what we paid for it was outrageous but it was needed to be done.

892
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,680
This is not a need and I 100% agree with Supervisor Decker, Supervisor Noodle that there's no

893
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:51,600
plan for this property and I will not be voting to send it back to committee.

894
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Thank you.

895
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:53,600
Are there any other discussion?

896
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,800
I'm going to clear the board first of all.

897
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,800
Any other discussion?

898
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,800
Supervisor Noodle.

899
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,280
Just to clarify something, this is the vote to send back to committee, correct?

900
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:05,280
That's correct.

901
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Now when we say send back to committee, just to finance committee or to vote committees?

902
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,280
Supervisor Decker, I'll clarify.

903
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:20,000
The wording of my motion is to refer this back to the finance and administration and

904
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:27,280
public works committee to be postponed until the administration can present a plan of

905
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:37,520
use and fiscal analysis of the plan on the property located at 11308 Burlington Road.

906
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Thank you, Supervisor Decker.

907
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,520
Supervisor Noodle.

908
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,520
Thank you.

909
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,520
That's fine.

910
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,520
I just wanted to clarify.

911
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,520
Yeah.

912
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,520
Okay.

913
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,520
Thank you.

914
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:51,040
I potentially kill the contract anyway because of the amount of study and research and all

915
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,160
that that have to go in, probably looking at a new contract.

916
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:02,080
I mean, if you're asking me a question, my suspicion would be that the sellers would

917
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:09,080
be prepared to modify a closing date if it looked like we would still be able to close.

918
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,480
That would be my guess, but it would still be a modification of the contract more likely.

919
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,480
Okay.

920
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,480
Thank you.

921
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:21,320
Any other discussion on the motion to send it back as Supervisor Decker explained, does

922
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,120
anybody need that explained or defined again?

923
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:30,840
I'll see you in no more questions.

924
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,200
Are we going to need a roll call vote?

925
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,200
Thank you.

926
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,200
Roll call vote has been called.

927
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,320
All of those in favor of sending the motion, sending the resolution.

928
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,320
Thank you.

929
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:54,000
To the finance administration and public works committee with defined clearly defined goals

930
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:10,760
will vote yes and all those against sending it backward vote no.

931
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:17,080
The motion passes to send back to committee 10 yes and I know.

932
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,080
Okay.

933
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:25,000
With the resolution passing to be sent back to committees, then the original motion then

934
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,640
would be rescinded, correct, or eliminated or exiled.

935
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:30,640
It dies.

936
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:31,640
Okay.

937
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,640
Thank you.

938
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,160
Resolution 34 from the Human Services and the Finance and Administration Committees,

939
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,840
the resolution to approve adding one economic support specialist lead position and three

940
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:52,000
economic support specialist positions pursuant to 2025 Wisconsin Act 116 funding to perform

941
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,360
quality assurance reviews.

942
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,240
This passed unanimously at both committees.

943
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,960
Supervisor Carroll was excused from the finance and administration committee.

944
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:02,960
Supervisor Stalker.

945
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,640
Let me get this.

946
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:12,880
I thought it was coming from the other committee here.

947
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,880
34.

948
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:14,880
It moved.

949
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:15,880
34.

950
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:16,880
Resolution 34.

951
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:17,880
Okay.

952
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:18,880
Moved by Supervisor Stalker.

953
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,880
Seconded by Supervisor Gibson.

954
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:20,880
Supervisor Stalker.

955
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:21,880
This resolution passed our committee.

956
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,880
Could you get into the microphone a little bit more, please?

957
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Thank you.

958
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:26,880
Thank you.

959
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:27,880
Supervisor Stalker.

960
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Any discussion?

961
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Questions?

962
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:50,400
Seeing none, this will require a two-thirds vote as it's an amending or budget.

963
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:57,400
So all those in favor vote, yes, and all those against vote, no.

964
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:13,400
10.

965
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,920
Resolution passes unanimously.

966
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,760
Item 35 from the finance and administration committee, a resolution authorizing and providing

967
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:30,600
for the issuance of not to exceed 22,750,000 general obligation, promissory notes and

968
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:37,160
or bonds, providing for the notification of and sale of said notes and bonds and other

969
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,480
related details.

970
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,200
This passed unanimously at committee.

971
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,040
Supervisor Carroll was excused.

972
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,040
Supervisor Gertzen.

973
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,040
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

974
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,040
Moved resolution 34.

975
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,040
Moved by.

976
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,040
35.

977
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,040
Sorry, 35.

978
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,400
Moved by Supervisor Gertzen.

979
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,520
Seconded by Supervisor Noto.

980
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,520
Supervisor Gertzen.

981
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:56,520
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

982
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:03,960
This resolution is to authorize the structure and issuance of our 22.75 million G.O.

983
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:04,960
notes.

984
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,360
And this is to fund the capital budget that was approved in the 2026 budget.

985
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,560
The sale is scheduled to occur on August 18th.

986
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:20,560
A resolution will be presented to the board that evening for approval of that sale.

987
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:26,120
We will meet with standard importers before the end of this month to affirm our triple

988
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,320
A bond rating.

989
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,440
We also got a pre-sale report.

990
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,440
The county board received that.

991
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:39,480
It documents the initial resolutions that we used to structure the 22.75 million G.O.

992
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:40,480
notes.

993
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:46,000
It outlines the issuance expense, documents, compliance with our debt policy and other

994
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,960
matters related to the sale and structure of the bonds.

995
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,960
This was approved by all members present in finance committee.

996
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,000
We recommend approval of the board tonight.

997
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,560
We have administration and elders here tonight if we have any questions.

998
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,840
And in addition to that, I would request a roll call.

999
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:13,520
It's my understanding that our record keeping would like to have a roll call for the bond

1000
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,520
issuance.

1001
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:16,800
Thank you, Supervisor Gertzen.

1002
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,520
Are there any discussion, questions?

1003
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,720
Supervisor Grady.

1004
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,280
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1005
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:28,360
Through the chair to our bond committee bond advisory, I know it's very difficult to look

1006
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,960
into the crystal ball and to say what's going to happen for a second week of August.

1007
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:39,920
But if this issue were to come today, here we are in the July 21 category, what would

1008
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:44,960
be the expected range of interest rates for an offering such as this?

1009
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:56,600
Can you comment?

1010
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:03,200
Greg Johnson from elders in our presale report, the interest rates that we had estimated factored

1011
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,680
in higher interest rates than what we're seeing presently in the market.

1012
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,280
So there's about a 50 basis point cushion.

1013
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,720
So 50 basis points is half a percent.

1014
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,760
So based on current market conditions, we would expect that the interest rates would

1015
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,680
come in more favorable.

1016
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,920
Specifically, if it were to go to market today, can you give me a range of what the estimates

1017
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,440
might be today at this particular time?

1018
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,600
I would say it would probably be within 20 to 25 basis points of lower than what we had

1019
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:29,800
in our presale.

1020
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,200
A certain number would be what?

1021
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,200
I don't have the exact number for me.

1022
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:39,000
You can't give me a range to say between two and a half, three percent, is this not possible?

1023
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,360
Yes, basically, if you take off 25 basis points from the rates that are in the presale report,

1024
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,120
that would be the answer I was looking for.

1025
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,560
Thank you all, and you'll have the floor.

1026
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,520
Thank you, Supervisor Grady.

1027
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,280
Any other questions?

1028
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,280
Discussion?

1029
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,600
Okay, so you know more discussion.

1030
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,120
A roll call has been asked for, so if you are in favor of the resolution.

1031
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,120
I'm sorry.

1032
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:16,040
Yeah, it's resolution 35, vote yes, Chair Gaston, vote no.

1033
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,040
Resolution 35 passes unanimously.

1034
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Communications, 30, communication from Andy M. Bueller regarding future items scheduled

1035
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,760
before the planning, development, and extension education committee.

1036
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,760
Receive and file.

1037
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:39,480
31, communication from Supervisor Decker, a resolution relating to consumer lending

1038
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:43,080
reform and predatory lending protections.

1039
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,000
Refer to legislative committee.

1040
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,440
Claims, seven, Sean, Oziland's property damage.

1041
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:54,480
Refer to Corporation Council.

1042
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:00,040
Approval of the July 21, 2026 minutes by Supervisor Decker.

1043
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,480
Supervisor Decker.

1044
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,240
Motion to approve the minutes.

1045
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,560
So second.

1046
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,240
Seconded by Supervisor Robinson.

1047
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,160
Any discussion?

1048
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,160
No discussion?

1049
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,160
All those in favor?

1050
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,160
Vote aye.

1051
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:14,160
Aye.

1052
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,160
Opposed?

1053
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,160
Motion carries.

1054
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,160
Motion to adjourn.

1055
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,160
I'll go with Decker and Robinson on that, too.

1056
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,160
It's in two voices.

1057
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,160
All those in favor vote aye.

1058
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,160
Aye.

1059
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,160
We are adjourned.