WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.120 Well, good evening, everyone, the hour of 545 having arrived and the finance and personnel 00:05.120 --> 00:06.280 committee having adjourned. 00:06.280 --> 00:10.200 I will now call to order the City of Racine Executive Committee. 00:10.200 --> 00:14.040 The first order of business is the approval of minutes for the June 18th meeting. 00:14.040 --> 00:18.400 Is there a motion from executive committee members to approve said meeting? 00:18.400 --> 00:24.280 So there's a motion and a second to approve the minutes of June 18th, 2026. 00:24.280 --> 00:26.480 All those in favor, please say aye. 00:26.480 --> 00:27.480 Opposed? 00:27.480 --> 00:28.480 That motion carries. 00:28.880 --> 00:30.880 Okay, so we have a number of people here to talk on. 00:30.880 --> 00:41.760 We have two items on the agenda tonight, one regarding an amendment to ordinance regarding nuisance properties that attorney Matt PERS will have a discussion of as we go through that item. 00:41.760 --> 00:47.800 And then I'm guessing most people are here to discuss the second item, which is item 0609-26. 00:47.800 --> 00:52.280 If you want to speak to that item, again, we'll be taking public input. 00:52.280 --> 00:56.040 It is up to three minutes that you can speak on an item. 00:56.040 --> 00:59.480 There is a clock that will count down your time. 00:59.480 --> 01:01.720 When your time is up, the microphones are turned off. 01:01.720 --> 01:09.600 That is not a reflection on the merit or lack thereof of what you're saying, but rather an effort to treat everybody equally and give everyone equal time. 01:09.600 --> 01:20.080 So if you have a desire to sign or to speak to the item and have not signed in, we do need people signed in on the clipboard, and so we want to be able to do that. 01:20.080 --> 01:26.000 So the first item is item 0307-26. 01:26.000 --> 01:32.640 This is a communication sponsored by Mayor Mason, presenting proposed ordinance 0001-26. 01:32.640 --> 01:41.640 Nuisance properties amendments, if Mr. PERS could come to the DS and describe the amended change to the nuisance property. 01:41.640 --> 01:43.480 Good afternoon, and thank you. 01:43.880 --> 01:50.680 What you have before you are some proposed changes to Chapter 66, Article 30, dealing with nuisance properties. 01:50.680 --> 01:56.440 Primarily, these ordinance amendments deal with the chronic nuisance premises ordinance. 01:56.440 --> 02:08.960 Currently, we have an ordinance which allows a code enforcement officer, which could be the Chief of Police, public health director, building director, building inspector, I apologize. 02:08.960 --> 02:21.040 And others to essentially move to declare a property a chronic nuisance if they have three responses or inspections within a certain time period. 02:21.040 --> 02:33.640 Currently, that's a three police calls within 60 days or three public health building inspection responses within 180 days. 02:33.640 --> 02:42.600 But the ordinances as before you is attempt to essentially consolidate efforts and clarify the process so this can go smoother. 02:42.600 --> 02:48.160 Primarily, there are five or six main changes. 02:48.160 --> 02:59.440 The big one is that there's an attempt to consolidate essentially what we count as a nuisance in terms of we have right now two different tracks. 02:59.440 --> 03:09.960 One deals with police calls, one deals with kind of just general code enforcement calls when we're talking about building inspection violations or public health inspection violations. 03:09.960 --> 03:14.160 What we're trying to do is combine this so that we don't have two tracks. 03:14.160 --> 03:21.680 We would be looking at three calls, whether they be police calls, whether they be building inspection calls or health calls. 03:21.680 --> 03:27.600 If there are three within a consolidated period of time, which is now going to be 90 days, 03:27.600 --> 03:32.600 that could trigger the assessment for chronic nuisance. 03:32.600 --> 03:45.000 Additionally, this would, this amended ordinance would permit code enforcement officers to work together and can solidate essentially their requests for abatement plans. 03:45.000 --> 03:53.880 The current ordinance allows, once there is a chronic nuisance designated for the property owner to submit an abatement plan, 03:53.880 --> 03:57.880 which details how they're going to fix the problem. 03:57.880 --> 04:06.880 This, because we have two different tracks, causes some problems and could result in, for example, one abatement plan going to the police department, 04:06.880 --> 04:16.560 one abatement plan going to the health department, and we have these two different abatement plans with two different code enforcement officers that are assessing essentially whether that's been satisfied or not. 04:16.560 --> 04:25.560 This proposed ordinance consolidates that so that the code enforcement officers could designate one individual to essentially oversee that abatement plan. 04:25.560 --> 04:35.560 Additionally, this ordinance adds the authority for the city attorney's office to pursue other abatement, I'm sorry, other nuisance measures in circuit court. 04:35.560 --> 04:41.560 There are attempts to declare essentially a property, a nuisance and state court that we can do. 04:41.560 --> 04:45.560 We don't have to just do it through our administrative process. 04:45.560 --> 04:49.560 Additionally, we can seek receivership of certain properties in state court. 04:49.560 --> 04:56.560 If there is an issue where it just is not being resolved and we need to get someone in there to try to address that matter, 04:56.560 --> 05:02.560 get somebody who's responsible and responsive to get into that property and to deal with it, 05:02.560 --> 05:07.560 there is a mechanism in state court that we could potentially pursue. 05:07.560 --> 05:14.560 Fourth, this process, this proposed ordinance would fine tune the appeal process. 05:14.560 --> 05:23.560 The current appeal process is there, it's fine, but it's not really clear in terms of what is being appealed and when. 05:23.560 --> 05:30.560 The language in this ordinance, depending on where one is in the stages of the abatement process or through the chronic nuisance designation, 05:30.560 --> 05:38.560 clarifies when something can be appealed and what will be discussed at that appeal to give further direction to the due process board. 05:39.560 --> 05:48.560 There is also clarification in terms of what stages people can appeal at. 05:48.560 --> 05:56.560 There is furthermore some latitude that's given to the due process board if they cannot meet within a certain time period, 05:56.560 --> 06:01.560 so they can make sure they can have a quorum to hear that matter without the matter being dismissed. 06:01.560 --> 06:12.560 And finally, there are deadlines that are essentially amended for the code enforcement officer to again give them some flexibility in responding throughout this process to the abatement plan 06:12.560 --> 06:19.560 and the actions that the property owner wants to take, it empowers the code enforcement officers to make some additional, 06:19.560 --> 06:24.560 have some flexibility in coming to resolutions on these matters. 06:24.560 --> 06:28.560 If you have any additional questions, I'm here to try to answer any question. 06:28.560 --> 06:32.560 Any questions for attorney birds? 06:32.560 --> 06:45.560 Seeing none at this time, I would entertain a motion to approve item 0307-26 and up to amend ordinance under item 0001-26. 06:45.560 --> 06:47.560 Alders, Wilkinson. 06:47.560 --> 06:57.560 Yeah, so I think this is one of the areas that I probably get the most emails and phone calls and text messages about of chronic nuisance properties. 06:57.560 --> 07:10.560 So the idea that we'll combine two processes to make it so that things don't fall out and that it's easier to keep it on track to make sure that nuisance properties are being handled correctly, 07:10.560 --> 07:12.560 I would move to approve. 07:12.560 --> 07:16.560 There's a motion to approve this item second by alder land. 07:16.560 --> 07:18.560 Any further discussion on this item? 07:18.560 --> 07:21.560 Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye. 07:22.560 --> 07:23.560 Opposed? 07:23.560 --> 07:27.560 Motion carries and we'll be referred to the next city council meeting. 07:27.560 --> 07:31.560 Moving on now is item 0609-26. 07:31.560 --> 07:36.560 There is a video that I believe we wanted to pull out for the beginning of this conversation. 07:36.560 --> 07:44.560 If I could ask representatives of the Leopold Johnson Gulf Group to approach the DS for this presentation, 07:44.560 --> 07:48.560 that would be appropriate at this time. 07:48.560 --> 07:50.560 And do you want us to play the video first? 07:50.560 --> 07:51.560 Please. 07:51.560 --> 07:54.560 If I could ask IT to play the video. 08:18.560 --> 08:25.560 Thank you very much. 08:48.560 --> 08:55.560 Thank you very much. 09:18.560 --> 09:36.560 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 09:36.560 --> 09:38.560 Appreciate that very much. 09:38.560 --> 09:42.560 Council members, thank you for having me this evening. 09:43.560 --> 09:45.560 A few words I'd like to share with you. 09:45.560 --> 09:51.560 I'll be open for any questions that you may have, anything that I can then talk about. 09:51.560 --> 09:59.560 Our lease has been negotiated with the city and are we happy with it? 09:59.560 --> 10:00.560 Yes. 10:00.560 --> 10:03.560 Was it moments of pain? 10:03.560 --> 10:04.560 Yes. 10:04.560 --> 10:10.560 But I think that we have a lease that is a win-win for all parties. 10:11.560 --> 10:19.560 So I thought with your permission, I would back up just a little bit because I know we have a number of new council members 10:19.560 --> 10:33.560 that may not have heard the last time I was here, which was, you know, six, nine months ago to talk about the vision that Kaiser and Helen and I have on this property. 10:33.560 --> 10:42.560 As many of you may know, Helen and I have lived in the city for, well, me 40 years, Helen forever. 10:42.560 --> 10:46.560 I'm glad she's not here and didn't hear me say that. 10:46.560 --> 10:54.560 But we drive by shoe park every day, every single day, usually twice a day on the way to work and on the way home. 10:54.560 --> 11:05.560 And it is the most iconic, beautiful, spectacular piece of golf course that I have ever seen. 11:05.560 --> 11:08.560 But it needs, it needs work. 11:08.560 --> 11:14.560 And the more we would drive by there, and over a particular of the last 20 years, 11:14.560 --> 11:23.560 there are so many things that we would love to do to enhance this both for the city of Racine 11:23.560 --> 11:28.560 and the city of Windpoint, and we would love to do that. 11:28.560 --> 11:37.560 So about a year and a half ago, I went and met with the mayor and shared with him our vision that we would like to do this, 11:37.560 --> 11:42.560 thinking that no one's ever approached the city with this kind of idea. 11:42.560 --> 11:51.560 And little behold did he say that he's had another group come in a couple of months ago and was interested. 11:51.560 --> 11:59.560 And as I shared with people, I immediately thought, oh boy, he's negotiating right away for the best deal possible 11:59.560 --> 12:03.560 that I'm already going to be negotiating against another group. 12:03.560 --> 12:08.560 Well, as it turns out, there was another group, and it was a group called the Kaiser Group, 12:08.560 --> 12:13.560 and they are a well-known, and as soon as he told me it was the Kaiser Group, 12:13.560 --> 12:23.560 there is no better golf developer or protector of the environment than the Kaiser Group. 12:23.560 --> 12:31.560 They have golf courses all over the United States, and they are a Wisconsin Midwestern, 12:31.560 --> 12:42.560 headquartered family company with the same kind of vision and culture and belief in 12:42.560 --> 12:49.560 the environment and the birds and the trees and that we do. 12:49.560 --> 13:00.560 And I have a representative of the Kaiser Group here today, and his name is Craig Haltem. Craig is right here. 13:00.560 --> 13:10.560 Craig is the person who designed and the architect for the five courses that are up at Sand Valley. 13:10.560 --> 13:18.560 In fact, we spent the day up at Sand Valley today on the hottest day of the year driving around the golf courses 13:18.560 --> 13:27.560 and taking a look at what Sand Valley looks like and everything, not just about the golf course, 13:27.560 --> 13:36.560 but also about the clubhouse and the cafe and because they are so large with so many courses, 13:36.560 --> 13:39.560 they have a lot of different of these buildings. 13:39.560 --> 13:46.560 And so we took a lot of pictures, designed a lot of things, and we came away with, you know, 13:46.560 --> 13:50.560 even being more excited about this project than we ever have been. 13:50.560 --> 14:01.560 So what I'd like to do is share with you, I guess, some of the thoughts that we have in our development of this course, 14:01.560 --> 14:05.560 and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions you may have. 14:05.560 --> 14:13.560 So after being introduced to the Kaiser Group, we got together and said, let's just join forces. 14:13.560 --> 14:21.560 They have the vision for this incredible acreage on Lake Michigan. 14:21.560 --> 14:31.560 We had the, for lack of a better word, frankly, the financial situation that we wanted to do this. 14:31.560 --> 14:33.560 And so we had a win-win. 14:33.560 --> 14:46.560 And the Kaiser, their role in this will be to be completely working on the project itself, 14:46.560 --> 14:59.560 moving the land, bringing in Sand, also helping with bringing in all the rocks that we'll have for the revetment of the shoreline. 15:00.560 --> 15:05.560 They're going to be, and they have been already designing the holes of how they see this going. 15:05.560 --> 15:09.560 At one time, you may have heard that it was a 12-hole golf course. 15:09.560 --> 15:15.560 And frankly, I was one of the few people that was really kind of excited about the 12-hole golf course. 15:15.560 --> 15:23.560 So about five months ago, we were, we, Mike Kaiser of the Kaiser Group, was in town, 15:23.560 --> 15:29.560 and we, we walked the entire golf course, all 12 holes at the time. 15:29.560 --> 15:36.560 And we got done with the 12-hole, and he said, okay, here's my thoughts. 15:36.560 --> 15:41.560 He said, it is even better than I ever thought it would be. 15:41.560 --> 15:48.560 This is an unbelievable piece of property with a spectacular view of Lake Michigan. 15:48.560 --> 15:55.560 We can make this into one of the greatest nine-hole golf courses in the world. 15:55.560 --> 16:06.560 And he can say that with some credibility, because he's got one of the nine-hole golf courses of the top ten that he has already on the list. 16:06.560 --> 16:12.560 And he says, you won't be, you'll probably, the best you'll be is number four, we're number three. 16:12.560 --> 16:14.560 The best you can be is number four. 16:14.560 --> 16:20.560 And he said, let me tell you, there are no best 12-hole golf courses in the world. 16:20.560 --> 16:30.560 So if you want to be the best 12-hole golf course, you'll be by yourself, likely, or a few people, but I really recommend making this a nine-hole course. 16:30.560 --> 16:38.560 And everyone in the United States, everyone will recognize this as a go-to golf course. 16:38.560 --> 16:50.560 Our dream is, and it's his dream as well, Mike Kaiser, is that we fall under their umbrella of dream courses. 16:50.560 --> 16:57.560 And the Kaiser group, if you're in there, they're all, they're only, they're golf courses. 16:57.560 --> 17:02.560 And as an example, we were up at Sand Valley. 17:02.560 --> 17:06.560 They have five unbelievably great golf courses. 17:06.560 --> 17:12.560 If you want to get a tee time, you have to, for next year, you have to call now. 17:12.560 --> 17:20.560 And because there are no more tee times left for the rest of the year, that's how many people are using that. 17:20.560 --> 17:28.560 A thousand people a day, they had, like, last week, their biggest day ever, a thousand golfers in a day. 17:28.560 --> 17:38.560 Now, that's not our vision, but it only shows what can happen if something really special. 17:38.560 --> 17:46.560 And those people are going to be driving through the City of Racine, and hopefully staying at hotels in the City of Racine. 17:46.560 --> 17:53.560 They're likely coming up from Chicago. They're on their way to Kohler, or they're on their way to Sand Valley. 17:53.560 --> 18:02.560 This is that halfway point. They can come in here, play golf in the morning, sleep at a hotel, come and play golf in the afternoon, 18:02.560 --> 18:06.560 and then go to Kohler or Sand Valley to complete their weekend of golf. 18:06.560 --> 18:11.560 So that's kind of the vision that we have. 18:11.560 --> 18:17.560 And we are so ready to go. 18:17.560 --> 18:29.560 This project has been a very complex project, because we first had to go to Windpoint, because we wanted, if you've been, 18:29.560 --> 18:41.560 I'm sure you have, if you've been out to Shoe Park, the golf course takes some beautiful property on the lake is the parking lot. 18:41.560 --> 18:49.560 We wanted to move the parking lot off the lake so that we could use that as part of the golf course. 18:49.560 --> 18:56.560 And the only place we could put that would be over in the Windpoint property where the lighthouse, north of the lighthouse. 18:56.560 --> 19:02.560 So that's why we had to go to Windpoint first. 19:02.560 --> 19:08.560 And when we first started talking to Windpoint, they have seven members. 19:08.560 --> 19:15.560 If I were to guess at that first meeting, if we had a vote, it would have been two, four and five against. 19:15.560 --> 19:25.560 But as we went through the process to explain what we were doing, and their interest, although their vote was really about the parking lot, 19:25.560 --> 19:28.560 they were only interested in the golf course. 19:28.560 --> 19:31.560 They wanted, every question was about the golf course. 19:31.560 --> 19:40.560 And the last vote that we had, the one that mattered, the only real vote we ever took, it was 7-0, so it was unanimous. 19:40.560 --> 19:45.560 And we walked away going, oh my God, who would have thought it was going to be 7-0? 19:45.560 --> 19:49.560 We walked into that meeting room, honestly not knowing which way it would go. 19:49.560 --> 19:54.560 So we were very, very excited about getting that approved. 19:55.560 --> 20:07.560 We are working with the DNR and the Corps of Engineers, because one of the major projects that we are going to have is the shoreline revetment. 20:07.560 --> 20:14.560 And this is a very costly part of what we are going to provide to this space. 20:14.560 --> 20:23.560 But it's just a matter of time before the shoreline falls in, even though the lake is down right now, 20:23.560 --> 20:27.560 which is wonderful, we are actually getting beaches back, which is great. 20:27.560 --> 20:31.560 But it's the cycle, and I live on the lake, so I know. 20:31.560 --> 20:39.560 And I had to buy a ton of, like many, many tons of rock stones to put in. 20:39.560 --> 20:43.560 And we will do the same thing for the shoreline. 20:43.560 --> 20:51.560 So the golf course, including the greens, the tea boxes and the sand traps, the irrigation system, 20:51.560 --> 20:59.560 the water drainage system that will drain the water that when you drive by and after a rain, 20:59.560 --> 21:02.560 the course can barely be open. 21:02.560 --> 21:09.560 It takes two days for the rain to drain and usually drain out to the lake. 21:09.560 --> 21:14.560 We will fix the water system so it drains to the lake. 21:15.560 --> 21:19.560 We will do substantial improvements to the clubhouse. 21:19.560 --> 21:22.560 We're going to tear the clubhouse down that is there right now. 21:22.560 --> 21:30.560 We're going to move it over by the lighthouse, where the parking lot will be north of the lighthouse. 21:30.560 --> 21:38.560 And then people will, so it would be on the very northeast corner of the property of Shoe Park is going to be where the clubhouse will be. 21:39.560 --> 21:49.560 The clubhouse architecture and the painting of the clubhouse, the design is going to match what's going on with the property there right now, 21:49.560 --> 21:52.560 which is all white with the red roof. 21:52.560 --> 21:59.560 And what I say red, whatever the color is, it's close to red, and that's what we're going to do. 21:59.560 --> 22:02.560 So we're really, really excited about doing that. 22:03.560 --> 22:10.560 We know that the city has higher priorities than to invest money into Shoe Park. 22:10.560 --> 22:16.560 And it's just a matter of time before the building falls down. 22:16.560 --> 22:21.560 I mean, if you've seen the parking lot, it needs fixing. 22:21.560 --> 22:29.560 We will fix all of that before it opens up as the new golf course. 22:30.560 --> 22:34.560 There's been a lot of conjecture about what we're going to do. 22:34.560 --> 22:44.560 We are not going to cut down all the trees, particularly after today, going to Sand Valley. 22:44.560 --> 22:47.560 There are a lot of trees in Sand Valley. 22:47.560 --> 22:51.560 It is a dune-style course, but there are a lot of trees. 22:51.560 --> 22:58.560 We will, and my wife, we had two dogs had a big fight last night. 22:58.560 --> 23:03.560 So one of them had to go to the doctor, and so she's not here today tonight. 23:03.560 --> 23:09.560 But I was going to say, my wife is the alpha dog of our house. 23:09.560 --> 23:25.560 And she is a very much a bird watcher and an environmentalist, as am I, but people know them a lot better than they know me. 23:25.560 --> 23:32.560 And she is, she just wants you to know that she will protect the birds and the trees. 23:32.560 --> 23:38.560 And at the same time, have a wonderful spectacular golf course. 23:38.560 --> 23:44.560 This will be 100% financed with private financing. 23:44.560 --> 23:53.560 So we, as we have stated, and it's in our lease, we plan to spend at least $10 million 23:53.560 --> 23:59.560 and completely redoing this golf course and everything about the golf course. 23:59.560 --> 24:02.560 So we're not asking for any public money. 24:02.560 --> 24:05.560 It will be a 50-year lease. 24:05.560 --> 24:08.560 And we're excited about that. 24:08.560 --> 24:09.560 We can plan ahead. 24:09.560 --> 24:14.560 We can invest that kind of money knowing that we'll be there for 50 years. 24:14.560 --> 24:21.560 Every 10 years, there'll be a check-in to make sure that we're doing everything as we were supposed to be doing. 24:21.560 --> 24:28.560 And so it's not like we have it for 50 years and the city will come back in and talk to us after 50 years. 24:28.560 --> 24:30.560 It will not be that way. 24:30.560 --> 24:43.560 So the clubhouse will have a cafe and, you know, light food, burgers, brats, hot dogs, things like that. 24:43.560 --> 24:47.560 Likely open breakfast and lunch. 24:47.560 --> 24:54.560 It will have a substantial deck that will look out to Lake Michigan. 24:54.560 --> 24:56.560 It's open to everybody. 24:56.560 --> 25:01.560 It's open to people who want to go to the lighthouse and just see what's going on. 25:01.560 --> 25:12.560 We will have a very large public putting green that will be open to anybody who wants to come and just have fun. 25:12.560 --> 25:19.560 And, you know, if your kids are two and a half years old and you want them to see what puttings like, bring them on out. 25:19.560 --> 25:28.560 We'll have ice cream and, you know, these putting greens and they've got them at Sand Valley right now are, they're huge. 25:28.560 --> 25:29.560 They're huge. 25:29.560 --> 25:35.560 And the whole thing is they get kids out there and have fun and enjoy it. 25:35.560 --> 25:37.560 So, you know, we're going to do that. 25:37.560 --> 25:46.560 That will be right on the lake and, you know, it will be more than just a golf course for people who are dying to play golf. 25:46.560 --> 25:58.560 So, we are confident that by doing this, we are going to generate a lot of guests, a lot of visitors to our city. 25:58.560 --> 26:11.560 And, you know, we think it's a win-win for all the communities around Racine, including Racine, for the golfers and for the non-golfers. 26:11.560 --> 26:14.560 So, that's what I've got. 26:14.560 --> 26:18.560 I just wanted to share what our vision was. 26:18.560 --> 26:23.560 If you have any questions for me or the architect, Craig Halton. 26:23.560 --> 26:25.560 I've got two Craig's here. 26:25.560 --> 26:33.560 And I can answer any question that you may have on either the lease or any other questions you might have. 26:34.560 --> 26:38.560 All of their Allen does have her name in the queue. 26:38.560 --> 26:41.560 Did you have questions for. 26:41.560 --> 26:42.560 Okay, go ahead. 26:42.560 --> 26:43.560 Yes. 26:43.560 --> 26:45.560 Before I begin, thank you so much. 26:45.560 --> 26:46.560 One moment. 26:46.560 --> 26:51.560 The questions I have, reflect our last meeting. 26:51.560 --> 26:57.560 Am I able to ask those questions because I do need those answers now. 26:57.560 --> 27:02.980 Yeah, I guess take to clarify all their Allen if you have we'll get into general discussion 27:02.980 --> 27:07.060 And if there's a point at which you want to direct questions to city staff or the city attorney 27:07.220 --> 27:09.140 We could do that at a later point 27:09.140 --> 27:14.620 But if you want to address questions to mr. Leopold now it's directly about his proposal. Yeah, then go right ahead. All right 27:14.620 --> 27:16.620 Thank you, so thank you so much for 27:18.420 --> 27:23.260 Giving us that overview. I can see that you're very excited about it and we are always 27:24.160 --> 27:30.060 Excited to hear about people who want to come into Racine and and invest in our community 27:30.620 --> 27:36.140 I we sit in a unique space here in Racine as the common council because we recognize 27:36.620 --> 27:41.620 That for Racine to continue in a sustainable manner 27:42.260 --> 27:44.460 We do need to introduce revenue 27:45.260 --> 27:48.320 Into our city in order to continue to be a thriving 27:49.300 --> 27:51.300 municipality that being said 27:52.300 --> 27:57.140 Also, I I for one enjoy the golf circuit and 27:58.980 --> 28:04.900 And can recognize, you know people who enjoy that same space. Mm-hmm. However 28:05.940 --> 28:11.620 shoe park being what it is to the city every scene when you when you give your proposal 28:11.620 --> 28:15.900 I believe that language matters and your enthusiasm for 28:16.860 --> 28:19.980 The golf course comes across 28:20.620 --> 28:27.660 However, I don't feel that the city as itself can see themselves in your proposal 28:29.380 --> 28:34.940 It is a public park and in your description, you're talking about a nine-hole 28:35.820 --> 28:42.580 Massive redo of it you're moving our parking lot. I myself having walked through there just recently 28:42.740 --> 28:50.340 I'm trying to envision a comfortable way that a person who is not interested. I heard you at the very last moment 28:51.220 --> 28:54.540 Introduce what someone who might want to do bring your kids to 28:55.300 --> 28:59.580 The open putting green, but we have people that come there for other reasons, right? 28:59.580 --> 29:02.940 And so if the entire space of 52 acres is 29:06.140 --> 29:09.140 Used for the golf course, I don't know how 29:09.900 --> 29:14.580 The lone person who wants to walk through there and enjoy just the views or something 29:15.420 --> 29:22.780 I'm paramedic, you know, I'm just would be able to do that comfortably the other thing it in your proposal you lead with 29:23.660 --> 29:25.980 The green fees for people who are going to 29:27.300 --> 29:32.540 Participate as a you know golfer you say $24 for two years 29:32.540 --> 29:37.580 I believe that is not serving our community. Well, I believe that since it's going to be in 29:38.220 --> 29:40.220 Racing it should be in 29:40.940 --> 29:42.940 Perpetuity 29:42.940 --> 29:46.860 I have a number of other concerns about our involvement 29:47.780 --> 29:53.220 Over the ten years and that you have this moment at the ten year mark where you can 29:54.060 --> 30:00.580 Opt to not continue that that could be a financial liability to the city of Racine and in the next ten years 30:00.580 --> 30:04.220 We really do have to be looking at how we secure our 30:04.220 --> 30:12.100 Our our revenue base at that time not at the possibility of taking on, you know, additional financial liability 30:12.100 --> 30:17.180 And then the other thing that is near and dear because I do have 13 of these points is 30:18.020 --> 30:20.020 any relationship with 30:21.540 --> 30:28.500 Job opportunities employment opportunities for the people who live here in Racine that includes our our students 30:28.500 --> 30:31.660 I mentioned this at the meeting. I didn't see anything about it 30:31.660 --> 30:38.340 And I'm not talking about something that happens after the fact five years in and I'm speaking as a marketing professional 30:38.340 --> 30:44.140 And as a business professional right and and for those of you who are in the audience listening 30:44.140 --> 30:50.700 I am a member of the citizens climate lobby and I'm a very much an environmentalist. I'm also from California 30:50.700 --> 30:52.700 so I'm a complete nerd and 30:53.380 --> 30:59.940 So what I'm saying is that I don't hear much that speaks to the city's core values 30:59.940 --> 31:03.380 I don't see anything supporting the Racine Advisory School District or others 31:03.380 --> 31:10.420 I don't see employment path for people including our children. I don't see the ability of 31:11.100 --> 31:17.460 The city every scene in our parks department to be able to utilize any of that space for our own booking 31:17.540 --> 31:21.500 There's a lot of open blank spaces that I'm looking to see filled 31:24.900 --> 31:27.820 Mr. Leopold did you thank you no, thank you very much that 31:27.820 --> 31:31.140 Let me see if I can address a couple of those 31:32.020 --> 31:37.100 one of them which a question that comes up a lot is is the green fees and 31:37.780 --> 31:41.740 That was probably the one item that that we have 31:42.460 --> 31:44.140 the most 31:44.140 --> 31:47.940 Discomfort with and the most negotiations with the city 31:49.100 --> 31:52.540 a nine what what we're going to build 31:53.540 --> 31:55.540 will be a 31:56.500 --> 32:00.060 Iconic golf course a difference maker 32:00.620 --> 32:02.620 so as you as you 32:03.220 --> 32:06.180 Thinking about more employment and 32:07.300 --> 32:10.540 Greater taxes and more people coming into receipt 32:10.900 --> 32:16.860 You know if if it's the same old shoe park that doesn't generate anything 32:17.660 --> 32:24.820 The revenue of shoe park completely for one year was a hundred thousand dollars. That's what it was for last year 32:25.540 --> 32:26.740 so 32:26.740 --> 32:32.900 It doesn't it just doesn't generate any of the things that you were just talking about 32:33.620 --> 32:37.900 What what we do believe is that when you have a 32:38.620 --> 32:39.900 successful 32:39.900 --> 32:45.140 business of any kind that brings in people into that business 32:45.780 --> 32:49.140 it's going to be a win win for a 32:49.860 --> 32:54.300 lot of other people who are touched by all the people who are coming in and 32:54.380 --> 32:55.580 I 32:55.580 --> 33:02.020 Think that certainly came loud and clear through this the little city that we were in today 33:02.020 --> 33:09.620 We're sand valleys now located were ten years. There was no golf course today. How many people do you employ up there? 33:12.460 --> 33:16.700 Largest employer in the county a thousand people I think is what I heard so 33:17.380 --> 33:19.580 you know with that kind of of 33:20.580 --> 33:26.300 With the kind of vision that we have we're not going to say we're employee a thousand count at the thousand people 33:26.860 --> 33:29.380 But we're going to have a lot more people 33:30.300 --> 33:32.460 being employed at better jobs 33:33.220 --> 33:35.220 Then are being employed right now 33:38.420 --> 33:43.020 I have somebody else in the queue all dirt and we can come back to you for a second time 33:43.020 --> 33:44.300 and 33:44.300 --> 33:46.140 other drugs 33:46.140 --> 33:49.500 Thank you. I just had a couple questions, but if we can go one at a time 33:49.500 --> 33:51.500 I think the biggest one is 33:51.820 --> 33:58.260 I've heard from a lot of folks and seen from a lot of folks that they they feel this is privatizing this course 33:59.100 --> 34:06.340 I'm wondering if you could kind of detail in your mind how this is different from what would just be a privatized course 34:06.340 --> 34:09.660 Really how it maintains the public park atmosphere 34:10.380 --> 34:15.420 With a partnership to it. Yeah, good good question, and there's I think there's a really 34:16.380 --> 34:17.900 a 34:17.900 --> 34:19.420 good 34:19.420 --> 34:23.380 Comp that I can use which is a received country club. It's a private club now 34:23.380 --> 34:28.700 It was bought by a gentleman who used to be a member. His name is mr. Balder. He owns the course 34:29.260 --> 34:32.180 We are going to be leasing the course from the city 34:33.060 --> 34:38.100 We have restrictions on us that we are going to need to abide by 34:38.580 --> 34:46.660 There are things that we're going to need to do in order to to to meet the goals that the city has 34:47.180 --> 34:49.180 We're also paying a 34:49.820 --> 34:51.820 You know a lease to the city 34:52.740 --> 34:54.740 So, you know that would be 34:56.060 --> 35:03.220 Really almost amounting to a hundred thousand dollars a year, which which is a lease payment versus what's going on now 35:03.220 --> 35:06.620 Which is the full revenue? It's the only revenue of the 35:07.100 --> 35:09.100 Of the golf course 35:10.380 --> 35:17.060 We don't have we don't have the ability to make it a private course can't do that we wouldn't want to do it 35:17.060 --> 35:18.260 Anyway 35:18.260 --> 35:24.540 And we don't have the ability frankly to after this is done. We can't make and do a 12-hole golf course 35:24.780 --> 35:28.060 We can't make it in you know, we can't put a driving range in 35:28.900 --> 35:36.020 So there are you know, there are restrictions that we that the city has negotiated into this contract that we 35:36.620 --> 35:42.740 Will abide to and and we don't have a problem with any of the restrictions, so we're not going to try to get around anything 35:44.260 --> 35:48.460 Thank you, and the other question I had to is I know one when you talked about the 35:49.700 --> 35:52.420 public places and public spaces in it 35:53.540 --> 35:58.580 I talked about the clubhouse and the cafe and the putting green 35:58.660 --> 36:01.660 But in the video and I think in our past conversation too 36:01.660 --> 36:05.220 There was a lot of discussion around what would be the new beach area and the trail 36:05.220 --> 36:09.860 I'm wondering if you can kind of detail what your vision is for yeah for those items. Yeah, thank you 36:09.860 --> 36:14.060 That's again. It's there's there's so many things that I could talk about 36:14.900 --> 36:20.100 And and that is a that is an important part of this course and a lot of questions 36:20.820 --> 36:22.980 came up with the mayor and 36:24.300 --> 36:34.060 What we have committed to is that we are going to keep the the we will maintain and keep open the beach area 36:34.700 --> 36:42.700 So that people can walk their dogs walk their kids like you saw in the picture walk down and walk as far as they 36:42.700 --> 36:45.540 Can get until the water stops them 36:46.300 --> 36:48.140 But right now 36:48.140 --> 36:51.900 Right now, it's the trees that have stopped them 36:51.900 --> 36:56.940 It's the fallen trees that are on the beaches. They don't ever get to the part of the water 36:57.300 --> 37:03.700 It's the trees we have made a commitment that we will clean that up and we will keep it clean 37:04.060 --> 37:10.020 So that they can walk from one side of the north side of the property to the south side 37:10.940 --> 37:15.540 With open paths unless the water has gone up to the rocks 37:16.940 --> 37:20.540 Thank you, and then there was a part about a walking trail in there as well, too 37:20.540 --> 37:22.620 I think along the light house drive is what it said 37:23.340 --> 37:29.020 Yeah, we will have up on the on the on the east the west side of 37:29.340 --> 37:32.060 Lighthouse drive a walking trail 37:32.700 --> 37:40.220 It won't be a concrete or asphalt, but it will be a path that you that people can walk their dogs or just go for a walk 37:41.420 --> 37:43.420 And and we will have that there 37:43.900 --> 37:50.060 So they can go from the north to the south and then maybe loop down and come up from the shoreline 37:50.220 --> 37:54.860 I mean those are things that they cannot do now. It's it's not possible 37:55.580 --> 37:59.980 Right because the yeah, like you said that with all the down trees the beach really hasn't been accessible 37:59.980 --> 38:06.380 So all of that would be a new yes public beach then. Yes. Thank you. Those are the two questions ahead for now 38:08.300 --> 38:10.300 all their Mac 38:10.300 --> 38:14.940 Thank you. This truly is a unique public private partnership and uh 38:15.580 --> 38:20.220 a significant investment one I'm assuming is going to 38:21.260 --> 38:23.260 take some time to 38:23.900 --> 38:29.740 Repay itself. Do you have an estimate on how long that investment might 38:31.340 --> 38:33.820 Another great question. It will never pay itself 38:35.100 --> 38:37.100 Okay, period. This is not 38:37.820 --> 38:44.220 It's not why we're doing it. We will never get that 10 million dollars back. It's a it's an investment in our community 38:44.220 --> 38:46.780 That's the only way. I mean you can look at me. I like going as that guy crazy 38:47.740 --> 38:49.580 The fact is 38:49.580 --> 38:55.420 There there is not I've got financial people up on the front. There's just no way that we've ever 38:56.380 --> 38:59.740 Tied to depreciate the 10 million dollars. We'll never get it back 39:00.300 --> 39:08.380 And I I've never got the impression that you were coming in here and this somehow was going to be a cash cow 39:09.420 --> 39:12.620 Uh for you your family your your partnership there 39:13.420 --> 39:13.980 um 39:13.980 --> 39:15.980 Yet we've seen a lot of 39:16.380 --> 39:25.100 Criticism out there on social media about out-of-town investors and your wife so eloquently pointed out that you live in the community 39:25.180 --> 39:32.380 She works or she runs a company downtown resine and that uh clearly not out-of-town 39:33.260 --> 39:35.260 investors 39:37.820 --> 39:39.820 I know firsthand your 39:40.220 --> 39:45.660 Your wife's family has a long history with environmental activism from your father-in-law 39:46.220 --> 39:50.700 Getting rid of chlorofluoro carbons out of aerosol cans before it was mandated 39:51.180 --> 39:55.740 Your brother-in-law's passion about reducing plastics in the waterway 39:56.380 --> 39:57.500 um 39:57.500 --> 39:59.100 I used to 39:59.100 --> 40:06.060 Work for the county and I'd go up and see them ban the paragon falcons and your mother-in-law was sitting up there in the front row 40:06.700 --> 40:08.700 like a little kid as a 40:08.700 --> 40:12.540 brought those falcon chicks out and so 40:14.540 --> 40:18.060 To see or hear the comments about 40:19.180 --> 40:23.020 the environment the destruction of the environment there 40:24.780 --> 40:26.780 and I 40:26.780 --> 40:28.780 Park staff 40:29.020 --> 40:33.740 Staff said we really need to look at this as two separate projects the 40:34.780 --> 40:37.740 The protection of the shoreline in the golf courts itself 40:39.660 --> 40:46.060 Um, I have a couple questions one has to do with the hundreds of trees that are going to come down 40:47.180 --> 40:50.300 I drive by there often and I see this 40:51.100 --> 40:57.020 Stand of weed trees in the middle of the the course and it doesn't look attractive 40:57.580 --> 40:59.580 It looks over overgrown 41:00.060 --> 41:02.060 Do you have an estimate of 41:02.060 --> 41:08.060 How many trees might actually come on it might be at another the other craig question and 41:09.260 --> 41:16.060 What you're looking at to to replant there? Yeah, I those are those are good question. I'll let the other craig 41:16.860 --> 41:17.820 um 41:17.820 --> 41:21.420 Comment on that as well, but let me say we have we have 41:22.460 --> 41:29.100 Hired gens Jensen who is well known in the rasein community and his grandfather 41:29.100 --> 41:32.380 I think was you know very an environmentalist and and a 41:33.180 --> 41:35.180 Tree person for lack of a better work 41:35.740 --> 41:38.300 Um, and he has a lot of thoughts he 41:38.860 --> 41:45.100 Is his main comment that the trees are that are all along the shoreline are trees that do no good 41:45.660 --> 41:49.820 They are not the type of trees that should be there. They fall into the lake 41:49.900 --> 41:56.380 They don't have the right kind of roots and there there's so much that can be done on the shoreline 41:57.020 --> 41:57.900 um 41:57.900 --> 42:01.260 Craig do you want to make any have you do you have any uh 42:02.540 --> 42:04.540 Thoughts of how many trees 42:05.980 --> 42:07.980 If you could come up to the microphone, please 42:09.660 --> 42:11.660 Um, the shoreline trees are also 42:13.180 --> 42:18.700 One of the complications of doing the revetment is that we will have to disturb a larger area 42:19.660 --> 42:22.540 Um, then just the the where the stones are placed 42:23.020 --> 42:28.220 So part of the trees will be removed as part of that process and then as craig has said 42:28.540 --> 42:29.500 um 42:29.500 --> 42:34.540 We are beginning to develop plans on what the right trees would be to plant in all these areas 42:35.180 --> 42:37.180 on the point of saving trees 42:37.420 --> 42:42.860 Um, the golf course will not be treeless and the priority that we would put is that we want to keep trees that 42:43.660 --> 42:50.460 Protect the roadway. So there's a safety aspect to making sure the trees stay in in areas that would be important to safety 42:51.180 --> 42:53.500 Um, there's also several specimen trees on site 42:54.060 --> 42:59.980 That we would be looking and already have tried to accommodate in the in the various ways that we've done reroutings of the golf course 43:00.780 --> 43:03.340 And there will be a tree planting plan that goes along with 43:03.740 --> 43:05.340 um 43:05.340 --> 43:11.020 The the plans for the golf course that makes the existing woodland across the road 43:11.740 --> 43:16.860 Uh, much healthier a much stronger. Um, I think you said, you know, you look at that those trees now 43:16.860 --> 43:21.900 They might they aren't particularly attractive and they're not full of the types of trees that we think 43:22.380 --> 43:24.380 Um, we can have thrive there 43:25.180 --> 43:29.260 So one good way to think about the golf course and in the way it's going through 43:29.980 --> 43:31.980 um, these types of 43:32.140 --> 43:34.860 Environments that i'm describing is kind of a journey through 43:35.660 --> 43:37.340 a um 43:37.340 --> 43:44.380 A native shoreline habitat, which is largely treeless. There might be occasional specimen trees that we are keeping in certain parts of the 43:44.940 --> 43:46.940 shoreline, but that's the native 43:47.660 --> 43:49.420 Habitat as it was 43:49.420 --> 43:54.620 And then you move across the road and that's where we would focus on preserving as many specimen trees as we can 43:55.100 --> 43:57.100 and developing healthier forest 43:57.660 --> 44:00.860 And uh, all of the trees along the property line also stay 44:01.500 --> 44:03.020 So, um 44:03.020 --> 44:08.460 While we keep those trees we can maintain clear views to the water, which is also a priority for us 44:09.340 --> 44:11.500 So if you're looking at the chute park 44:12.700 --> 44:14.700 Today versus what we are proposing 44:15.340 --> 44:18.940 It would still be recognizably a golf course that has plenty of trees 44:19.580 --> 44:21.340 um, but the native 44:21.340 --> 44:23.980 Habitat at the shoreline would be restored to a treeless 44:25.020 --> 44:27.020 Links type golf courses we've described 44:27.740 --> 44:32.620 So it it I don't know the number of trees that would go out, but by percentage 44:33.100 --> 44:35.420 It's different in these different environments 44:36.060 --> 44:39.500 Okay, and in here again, the staff has told us that 44:40.540 --> 44:44.300 the shoreline should be considered separately from 44:45.020 --> 44:47.020 the golf course project because 44:47.580 --> 44:49.580 those trees like you 44:49.580 --> 44:52.220 reiterated they have to come down because of the 44:52.860 --> 44:54.380 rivet and 44:54.380 --> 44:56.380 Shoring up 44:56.380 --> 44:59.420 Last time you were here, it was pointed out the type of 45:00.300 --> 45:03.420 Plantings and grass will actually 45:04.220 --> 45:08.940 Use less water and less fertilizers that's still the plan 45:09.820 --> 45:12.220 Then what is currently used today 45:12.940 --> 45:15.980 Yes, the I would say that they're using a minimum right now 45:16.140 --> 45:18.940 So the golf course is maintained very responsibly right now 45:19.580 --> 45:26.060 And what we're proposing even though as Craig said will be a world-class golf experience and very different to what you have now 45:26.780 --> 45:32.940 It will be maintained in the same spirit of doing the absolute minimum amount of fertilizer application chemical application 45:33.820 --> 45:39.820 You might be doing those things for budget purposes right now, but it also serves the the dual purpose of making a much 45:41.900 --> 45:50.540 Environmentally friendly golf course. So a key part of that is we are converting the grasses to a type of grass that can be maintained to very high standard 45:51.100 --> 45:53.100 It's a fescue grass 45:53.500 --> 45:57.980 Blended possibly with some blue grasses, but a very hardy drought tolerant grass 45:58.540 --> 46:01.180 And the type of golf that you see in those images that we've put up 46:01.820 --> 46:08.460 Is is characterized by dry firm conditions, which means we want to irrigate the absolute minimum 46:08.940 --> 46:10.940 And we'd like to keep 46:11.260 --> 46:15.340 All inputs of all kinds to the to the absolute minimum. That's what helps the golf 46:16.140 --> 46:17.340 be great 46:17.340 --> 46:18.300 So 46:18.380 --> 46:26.140 Okay, thank you, and then the I guess I don't know if it's a comment or if it's a question, but there's a lot of talk about the 46:27.660 --> 46:29.900 public access to the course and 46:31.180 --> 46:35.180 People that have sent emails and social media have talked about how they 46:35.740 --> 46:44.060 Currently picnic there and they walk it and they do all this and I find it hard to believe that you can walk a golf course without getting hit by a 46:44.780 --> 46:48.380 Flying golf ball and I'm not sure where the picnic areas are 46:48.940 --> 46:52.220 At chute part me. It's been a while since I've golfed there 46:52.300 --> 46:59.420 But I don't recall seeing a lot of general public coming out and enjoying the audience of those 52 acres there 46:59.900 --> 47:04.220 No, they're the only picnic area would be by the lighthouse area 47:05.660 --> 47:12.140 And if anything we will enhance that and and we will have picnic tables outside our 47:12.780 --> 47:19.740 Our cafe area that would be accessible again for golfers and non golfers 47:19.820 --> 47:25.020 No one will ever be asked if they walk in the cafe. Are you playing golf today? 47:25.660 --> 47:29.020 Everybody is everybody is welcome. All right. Thank you 47:31.500 --> 47:33.500 other Herman 47:35.340 --> 47:37.340 Thank you mayor 47:37.500 --> 47:39.500 I 47:40.380 --> 47:42.460 Over the years it seems like 47:43.260 --> 47:46.780 more and more of the park real estate has been 47:47.660 --> 47:53.020 Carved out for golfing and there really doesn't seem to be 47:54.380 --> 47:57.020 an equitable property 47:58.540 --> 48:05.340 Division for what the park piece of it originally was supposed to be 48:06.140 --> 48:06.940 um 48:06.940 --> 48:09.180 the intent of 48:09.180 --> 48:15.820 Chute park was for there to be a park and I do under I hear you when you say that there are 48:17.340 --> 48:19.500 Walking trails that there will be 48:20.460 --> 48:22.220 beach 48:22.220 --> 48:24.220 Access where you can walk 48:24.940 --> 48:26.940 but walking trails and 48:27.580 --> 48:34.380 Having access to the beach is what we've always had we live on the lakefront 48:34.380 --> 48:36.380 Racine is on the lakefront 48:36.700 --> 48:38.700 We we can do the beach 48:39.180 --> 48:44.060 The park piece of chute park is what was originally 48:44.620 --> 48:46.300 meant for 48:46.300 --> 48:51.820 Everyone so that's non golfers. That's golfers. That's people who want to 48:52.300 --> 48:53.660 um 48:53.660 --> 48:56.220 Sit down and put a blanket out 48:56.940 --> 49:01.500 Um whether they want to go to the cafe or not go to the cafe 49:02.060 --> 49:09.180 Um, and it seems like more of the park piece of it is being lost and 49:10.860 --> 49:15.820 I don't think that that is what um doctor chute intended 49:16.300 --> 49:19.980 And to be frankly honest because I used to work at sc johnson 49:20.220 --> 49:25.340 I don't think that that's what sam johnson wanted because he created that this we believe 49:25.900 --> 49:29.500 and the philosophy behind this we believe is that 49:30.460 --> 49:36.060 Residents have access and we leave a footprint 49:36.620 --> 49:38.300 um 49:38.300 --> 49:43.100 We don't leave a footprint that takes away from our environment 49:43.980 --> 49:45.420 and so 49:45.420 --> 49:47.420 a lot of 49:47.420 --> 49:50.620 emails and calls that I am getting from residents 49:51.100 --> 49:53.100 um feel like 49:54.060 --> 49:56.060 The desires of 49:56.060 --> 50:02.140 The residents when it comes to just wanting to have a place that is unique 50:02.620 --> 50:07.100 Chute chute park is unique. Um, the park piece of it is unique 50:07.420 --> 50:12.060 Not just the walking trails and the sand and the beaches piece of it 50:12.460 --> 50:15.660 So I do understand that you will make the picnic 50:16.780 --> 50:18.780 piece a little bit better 50:19.020 --> 50:21.500 um, but that doesn't seem to 50:22.460 --> 50:24.060 really 50:24.060 --> 50:26.300 Pull into 50:26.300 --> 50:35.900 The free park that was originally intended for the people so um, I'm not I'm just trying to 50:37.100 --> 50:41.820 Be the advocate for the voice of the individuals that really feel like 50:42.380 --> 50:48.380 Non-golfing residents would like to have an equitable division of it 50:48.780 --> 50:52.940 Not that we don't want the golf course to, um 50:53.820 --> 50:54.780 be 50:54.780 --> 50:56.140 Awesome 50:56.140 --> 51:01.580 And not that we don't want johnson's help on securing the shoreline 51:02.060 --> 51:06.140 But there just seems like there should be an equitable 51:07.020 --> 51:14.460 Consideration when it comes to the residents who were promised or the original philosophy of it 51:14.620 --> 51:17.020 Was for it to forever be a park 51:17.740 --> 51:19.740 a free park 51:20.140 --> 51:22.140 No cost park 51:22.140 --> 51:23.500 um 51:23.500 --> 51:31.500 I don't so I don't know if you can speak on you you have spoke on it, but I think I I think I can and 51:32.380 --> 51:32.940 um 51:32.940 --> 51:35.180 actually if you if you read the 51:36.140 --> 51:41.660 The deed that dr. Shoop gave the property to the city 51:42.140 --> 51:45.420 He gave it to the city to be an old man's home 51:46.380 --> 51:48.380 That's in the deed and 51:48.940 --> 51:49.740 um 51:49.740 --> 51:53.580 Which another way to put it is a retirement home for 51:54.300 --> 51:55.340 for 51:55.340 --> 51:57.340 uh, the elderly men 51:57.900 --> 52:00.220 But he it is it is referred to 52:00.700 --> 52:05.180 And the reason we we joke about it the old an old man's home is what he wanted to be 52:06.140 --> 52:12.460 And I think there might have been something in there. I um, you know if that doesn't occur then 52:13.020 --> 52:19.020 Then then be made as a park or something like that. So I I I I apologize 52:19.100 --> 52:24.380 I don't remember how that was but his his direct hope was that it would be an old man's home 52:25.180 --> 52:26.860 um 52:26.860 --> 52:31.180 We all know it's been a golf course for 50 to 70 years 52:32.460 --> 52:33.500 um 52:33.500 --> 52:35.500 so a long time and 52:36.060 --> 52:37.420 um 52:37.500 --> 52:43.420 I mean right now there are no picnic tables. No probably have there ever been except there is a table 52:43.980 --> 52:44.860 over 52:44.860 --> 52:46.540 over by the 52:46.540 --> 52:52.140 The clubhouse that people could sit out grab a beer and then sit outside and have a beer 52:52.140 --> 52:55.820 But it's I don't see families, you know doing picnics there 52:56.460 --> 52:59.580 So I I understand I understand what you're saying 53:00.300 --> 53:01.340 um 53:01.340 --> 53:04.220 And you know our proposal obviously is that 53:05.180 --> 53:07.180 this will be a 53:07.580 --> 53:08.620 more 53:08.620 --> 53:16.300 Family friendly environment than it is right now that I can absolutely assure you 53:17.020 --> 53:23.900 Uh, but but it I mean I can't I can't run from the fact that it's it's a golf course 53:27.500 --> 53:29.500 I'll do allen for the second time 53:30.460 --> 53:36.540 Thank you. Yep. Okay. I hate to be a dead horse, but I am really looking for an answer about 53:37.260 --> 53:41.980 the fees. Yes. No, I'm yeah, and and our USD connection 53:43.020 --> 53:47.420 I love the fact that it is going to be a premium course 53:47.740 --> 53:51.580 what I'm what I see is an opportunity for us to 53:53.660 --> 53:57.180 Introduce our youth our talented youth into 53:58.140 --> 54:04.140 That activity that profession that walkway as an as one of our academies for instance 54:04.140 --> 54:08.460 I'm also looking again for that employment value 54:08.940 --> 54:14.460 But I'm looking for that piece about the fees. Okay, you know and those were not 54:15.020 --> 54:18.460 answered and for for me if you're at this stage of 54:19.500 --> 54:21.100 Of your planning 54:21.100 --> 54:25.020 Then that conversation because I didn't mention this at the meeting earlier in the year 54:25.660 --> 54:27.580 And the response was 54:27.580 --> 54:33.500 You know somewhere in the future. We could do that. So I'm really not looking for somewhere in the future. I'm actually looking for that to be 54:34.700 --> 54:38.460 Mentioned as a concrete plan that working out because that's a conversation that 54:39.500 --> 54:48.780 Would take place now and then the opportunity to unfold that would happen in the future. Okay. So I I was I was in no way trying to 54:49.820 --> 54:54.140 Run from your question. I would have come back to it because I know that that is a very 54:54.700 --> 55:02.620 Important question that has that has risen. So we started with the $24. So it will be $24 for the first two years 55:04.060 --> 55:08.380 After that the the fees will be tied to 55:09.020 --> 55:11.020 Johnson Park fees 55:11.340 --> 55:13.340 So the highest 55:13.500 --> 55:16.060 The the highest Johnson Park 55:16.780 --> 55:18.780 Nine whole 55:18.860 --> 55:19.900 Fee 55:19.900 --> 55:21.900 We would tie our fee into 55:22.620 --> 55:29.180 So if their nine whole fee is $35, which it is right now. That is their highest nine whole fee 55:29.980 --> 55:31.980 Then ours will be $35 55:32.700 --> 55:39.020 and um, I will tell you that that is that will that 10 years from now that will be a steal 55:39.820 --> 55:41.260 and um 55:41.260 --> 55:43.980 It does worry us it worries us a lot 55:44.860 --> 55:47.900 That we are we are being tied into 55:48.940 --> 55:50.300 the 55:50.300 --> 55:52.300 the the Johnson Park fee 55:52.620 --> 55:54.620 Which is not a 55:54.620 --> 56:02.620 Course that will not be comparable to ours. I mean, that's how that's how we believe although JP is a really great public course 56:03.340 --> 56:05.340 So at some point 56:05.820 --> 56:09.740 Um, we want to have the ability right now 56:10.460 --> 56:12.460 Johnson Park 56:13.340 --> 56:17.020 Who is the who who's the deal? Who's the contract with 56:17.820 --> 56:24.300 True. So the contract is with true and true has the ability to raise Johnson Park 56:24.940 --> 56:26.140 Green fees 56:26.140 --> 56:28.140 5% every year 56:28.300 --> 56:33.500 If they decide if they decide not to raise the Johnson Park green fees 56:34.540 --> 56:38.940 We don't want them to be able to dictate what our green fees are 56:39.580 --> 56:45.580 So we will want to be able to use the 5% inflator in our green fees 56:46.300 --> 56:52.460 If they decide not to use it and and I mean it could very well be that that they're 56:53.740 --> 56:59.740 That that something at Johnson Park the course is is you know is not doing well 57:00.060 --> 57:05.340 They're they're not watering at the irrigation systems not working the equipment's not being replaced 57:05.900 --> 57:09.180 But we on the other hand continue to invest in our course 57:09.740 --> 57:12.460 We don't want to be tied into a greens fee 57:13.180 --> 57:19.740 That true is going to have at johnson park and we can't operate our course at that 57:25.820 --> 57:27.820 Can you hit your 57:30.540 --> 57:34.140 By projecting to us that your marketing vision 57:34.700 --> 57:35.740 includes 57:35.740 --> 57:42.460 You know all the people coming into racene and taking advantage of this course and in the hospitality every scene 57:43.340 --> 57:44.860 Right 57:44.860 --> 57:47.660 In my i'm just going to be devil's advocate make your money off of them 57:48.380 --> 57:49.740 you know 57:49.740 --> 57:51.740 Or you mean the other people 57:51.980 --> 57:53.980 Right 57:54.220 --> 57:56.860 I don't know who's who's doing your marketing or whatnot 57:56.860 --> 58:02.940 But for the people that live here in racene, you know that 24 dollars and I get it five years from now 58:03.020 --> 58:07.020 That's going to look like like change, but I also know my community 58:07.580 --> 58:13.180 So 24 dollars now will be this you know that will be a win for them in the future 58:13.260 --> 58:17.820 But you know you settled in it two years. We have a 10 year separation possibility 58:18.620 --> 58:23.820 There's a huge gap. I haven't heard, you know why the 10 years. I'm not really excited about that 58:23.820 --> 58:25.820 I think that should be extended and I think 58:26.380 --> 58:31.340 Any allowances that are given to the city should extend at least to that 10 year port 58:31.820 --> 58:40.460 You know that's not stop and then I'll touch on those trees saw forestry gave us a really excellent report about why we need to 58:41.500 --> 58:43.580 Uh look at what's going on with our trees 58:43.660 --> 58:51.260 I do understand as a as a person who studied it that you know if we do not address those those uh ill trees 58:51.660 --> 58:55.100 They will continue to poison our shoreline and even the healthy trees 58:55.500 --> 58:57.820 And so those some people think holding on to those 58:58.460 --> 59:03.020 Sentimentally will help our ecosystem there that is completely not true 59:03.740 --> 59:09.020 The opposite, but for those other things that I'm speaking of I really I really do want to see 59:09.580 --> 59:12.620 You know kind of like a buy-in to that and more of a relationship 59:13.180 --> 59:16.860 With the city we sign on that dotted line and say go for it 59:17.180 --> 59:21.420 And then we step back and we don't readdress anything or come back to you for 10 years 59:21.820 --> 59:26.300 And anything could happen and we also don't have a say in how any of that happens 59:26.300 --> 59:30.060 You just mentioned you don't want your green fees tied to someone else's 59:31.020 --> 59:37.020 Uh golf course. I'm not really comfortable with you know as much as I love the $10 million input 59:37.180 --> 59:43.580 I just you know going okay. We'll go on it and then we find out that you've you're making a decision to 59:44.060 --> 59:50.220 To separate and then here we are 10 years looking at some financial liabilities that we can't afford you 59:50.220 --> 59:51.820 You won't have any 59:51.820 --> 59:56.460 If we walk away in 10 years, you keep the $10 million investment that we put in the golf course 59:56.940 --> 59:59.500 We're not going to walk away from that. I mean that's number one 01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:01.100 Number 01:00:01.100 --> 01:00:03.100 The other issue that you brought up is 01:00:03.740 --> 01:00:07.660 Make your money off the other people coming in and we will we'll make it 01:00:07.660 --> 01:00:09.900 We're going to raise those as high as we can 01:00:10.460 --> 01:00:17.180 But another question that was at the mayor was concerned about and I think other I know other people have been concerned about 01:00:17.500 --> 01:00:19.500 Are you going to have certain times? 01:00:20.300 --> 01:00:22.940 That Racine residents can come 01:00:23.500 --> 01:00:28.860 So we only let them come between one and two in the afternoon or something like that 01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:36.140 The answer is no they can come anytime. So as we're budgeting we you know is 01:00:36.940 --> 01:00:40.060 You know, are we going to be filled with city of Racine people? 01:00:40.780 --> 01:00:43.820 Fantastic and but it could be you know 01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:46.380 Five 10 years that could be 01:00:47.020 --> 01:00:51.500 $35 $40 where the people from Chicago would pay 150 01:00:52.460 --> 01:00:59.980 But we aren't going to restrict the times that city of Racine golfers can come and joy 01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:03.100 The golf course so they can come anytime 01:01:03.820 --> 01:01:08.380 And so that's how I would address that it's it's hard to budget 01:01:08.860 --> 01:01:16.460 You know, how how large will our revenue be? Well, it depends how many receipt golfers come and how many non-recine 01:01:17.260 --> 01:01:19.260 golfers come 01:01:22.220 --> 01:01:24.220 Thank you, mr. Leopold we are 01:01:24.940 --> 01:01:27.260 We do have two other presentations then from 01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:29.500 somebody staff 01:01:29.500 --> 01:01:33.900 Unless there's anything else you wanted to add before we close we're going to go to mr. Kepnick and mr. Rooney 01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:36.860 just to talk about the no the forestry component and the 01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:41.740 The short line component so thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Thank you very much 01:01:42.060 --> 01:01:47.660 Thank you. I could ask director Kepnick to from the parks for creation cultural services to approach the ds 01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:55.100 Some of you may have seen this presentation before some of you were not on the council when he gave this presentation before but there's been much discussion 01:01:55.580 --> 01:02:00.540 Of the trees and the birds on the site and we asked mr. Kepnick who's our parks director now 01:02:00.540 --> 01:02:06.140 But prior to that was our forestry division manager from for many years. So mr. Kepnick if you could 01:02:07.660 --> 01:02:09.260 Have a 01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:11.500 Revisit of the report that you gave to us previously 01:02:11.980 --> 01:02:16.700 For the benefit particularly of the newer members on council but for the members of the public who are here as well 01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:19.260 Thank you very much 01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:23.660 So my goal tonight is to walk you through how I evaluated this proposal 01:02:24.220 --> 01:02:27.660 The factors I considered and the framework I used to assess it 01:02:28.220 --> 01:02:32.460 And I'd like to note that this is not an ecological assessment or an environmental review 01:02:32.540 --> 01:02:35.820 But simply the approach that I took to better understand this project 01:02:37.580 --> 01:02:45.180 First and foremost I would like to note that windpoint and shoe park is a recognized birding area amongst birding enthusiasts 01:02:46.220 --> 01:02:53.980 regional birding records and e-bird observations online indicate that more than 270 bird species have been documented in the area 01:02:55.420 --> 01:02:59.980 These species can be broken down into the type of habitats that they prefer 01:03:02.540 --> 01:03:05.500 Generally using four different major habitat groupings 01:03:05.900 --> 01:03:08.220 There is open water and lake habitat 01:03:09.020 --> 01:03:12.940 Shoreline and beach habitat open land and meadow habitat 01:03:13.740 --> 01:03:15.740 And trees and woodland habitat 01:03:16.540 --> 01:03:20.300 Just over 60 percent of the 270 species are 01:03:21.100 --> 01:03:27.740 Known in the area do not use the tree and the woodland habitat which seems to be you know something that has come up multiple times 01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:34.860 The high number of species observed at windpoint is best understood because of the habitat diversity 01:03:35.260 --> 01:03:38.700 As well as the shoreline geography which projects out into the lake 01:03:39.980 --> 01:03:46.380 Trees and shrubs are one part of that habitat picture, but they are not the only factor that drives bird diversity at this location 01:03:47.580 --> 01:03:55.100 So when I as a older mac alluded to when I think of this project I break it down into two major separate projects really 01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:59.580 The first is the shoreline stabilization and the bluff resiliency 01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:02.700 And second would be the golf course redevelopment itself 01:04:03.660 --> 01:04:10.380 These are related to the same property of course, but they're different project components with different environmental considerations and different purposes 01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:17.020 The shoreline and bluff work is a resiliency and an infrastructure issue 01:04:17.740 --> 01:04:22.940 The east edge of the property includes a bluff along lake michigan that has experienced significant erosion 01:04:23.580 --> 01:04:30.620 During the january 2020 high water and storm events major bluff failure occurred and trees and soil were lost into the lake 01:04:31.420 --> 01:04:34.700 The existing bluff edge in its current condition is unstable 01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:43.420 And vegetation along that edge can contribute to continued instability through root leverage wind loading and associated soil movement 01:04:45.580 --> 01:04:49.100 In order to stabilize the bluff and install shoreline protection measures 01:04:49.420 --> 01:04:53.740 Vegetation along the bluff edge would need to be removed to allow access and construction 01:04:53.980 --> 01:04:55.420 Uh 01:04:55.420 --> 01:04:57.900 And to reduce ongoing stabilization 01:04:58.620 --> 01:05:03.580 This is not simply a vegetation removal issue. It is part of shoreline protection and resiliency 01:05:04.540 --> 01:05:07.980 Responding to documented erosion and infrastructure concerns 01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:13.980 Regarding the tree canopy on the course itself 01:05:15.180 --> 01:05:22.300 We do have a full assessment the forestry division of all public trees in the city consisting of about 40 000 gis points 01:05:23.180 --> 01:05:25.180 um prior to 01:05:25.580 --> 01:05:31.260 Putting this initial assessment together. I did a query and of all the species on the course 01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:38.780 And it shows that a large share of the existing canopy is dominated by a relatively small group of tree species including 01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:43.660 silver maple green ash white ash norway maple and honey locust 01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:51.260 40 of the trees on the course which consists of 74 individual trees are made up of these five species 01:05:52.220 --> 01:05:57.900 And in addition 55 of the 184 trees on the course are under 10 inches in diameter 01:05:58.540 --> 01:06:04.380 And due to their small size currently provide very limited or relatively limited cat canopy habitat 01:06:05.740 --> 01:06:07.740 Benefit 01:06:08.220 --> 01:06:13.580 It's also important to note that several of those species have management or ecological limitations 01:06:14.540 --> 01:06:21.100 Norway maple one of those five species is non-native and it provides relatively limited wildlife value compared to 01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:23.260 higher valued native species 01:06:23.580 --> 01:06:30.300 Our remapel is also recognized by the dnr as a species with invasive tendencies and the ability to spread into natural areas 01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:33.900 I mentioned white ash and green ash 01:06:35.020 --> 01:06:43.420 And ash in general have provided canopy value historically dating back to the 60s after Dutch elm disease. They were largely planted as a replacement species 01:06:44.220 --> 01:06:49.180 But today these trees are highly vulnerable due to emerald ash borer and invasive insect from china 01:06:49.660 --> 01:06:53.500 That has been present in the racene area for approximately 15 years 01:06:54.140 --> 01:06:57.580 And these trees require ongoing treatment to remain viable 01:06:58.220 --> 01:07:01.660 And as such they do not represent durable long-term habitat 01:07:03.100 --> 01:07:07.660 Silver maple supports more insect life than many of the other common species on the site 01:07:08.300 --> 01:07:13.900 But is also relatively short-lived and more prone to decay and storm damage which limits its long-term reliability 01:07:14.620 --> 01:07:17.500 And the last species honey locust is a native tree 01:07:18.380 --> 01:07:23.580 But again when compared with higher value species it supports relatively low insect diversity 01:07:26.620 --> 01:07:29.820 That covers everything I want to mention so i'm happy to answer any questions 01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:36.620 Any questions for director kepnick pretty late for the three new altars, but for any of the members or any questions for mr. kepnick 01:07:39.980 --> 01:07:41.660 I'll do your answer 01:07:41.660 --> 01:07:46.860 I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit more. I think in the past you've maybe shared a story of you went to go do a 01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:49.820 Tree assessment 01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:54.620 Out there and you watched one of the trees you went there to go assess being carried out to the lake 01:07:54.620 --> 01:08:00.060 Could you could you talk more about like what the impact is of having the wrong tree in the wrong place? 01:08:00.940 --> 01:08:05.900 Sure. Well that specific situation was after the january 2020 storm 01:08:06.540 --> 01:08:12.700 For those of you not familiar the lake was at record high levels at least 24 to 30 inches above where it is today 01:08:13.580 --> 01:08:18.540 We also had a warmer winter so we did not have any shore ice and so when this large storm came in 01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:21.900 We had direct wave action onto this bluff 01:08:22.540 --> 01:08:29.180 Again, which and the lake was at a very high level. So I went out to assess the damage probably a week after the storm 01:08:29.820 --> 01:08:33.100 And while I did not see trees actually actively falling there were 01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:39.980 Large trees laying in the lake itself. They had you know the root systems had given out 01:08:40.060 --> 01:08:45.260 They tipped over they were still attached at the shoreline, but laying in the lake and then at a later date 01:08:45.740 --> 01:08:48.700 Those trees were completely gone during later site visits 01:08:49.260 --> 01:08:54.460 And these were not small trees. These were probably 12 to 16 inch diameter trees 01:08:55.260 --> 01:08:57.260 At least 30 or 40 feet tall 01:08:57.900 --> 01:08:59.900 And what was the second part of your question? 01:08:59.900 --> 01:09:01.260 But the 01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:06.060 Was that just nature was that maybe the wrong tree in the wrong place or you know the 01:09:06.700 --> 01:09:09.020 Are they set up to be on a bluff like that? 01:09:10.540 --> 01:09:14.060 I'd say it was directly tied to the erosion and the damage from the storm itself 01:09:15.020 --> 01:09:20.140 You know trees do not have really deep root systems in general. They have shallow root systems 01:09:20.780 --> 01:09:23.740 And the amount of wave action 01:09:24.460 --> 01:09:28.540 During that storm and probably subsequent storms as well. They may have been 01:09:29.580 --> 01:09:35.420 Not as significant, but they still had their they did their damage to the root systems and once that erosion begins 01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:38.300 Then wind takes over 01:09:39.260 --> 01:09:44.700 These erosion channels continue to erode from future rain events and it just is a process 01:09:45.740 --> 01:09:49.660 Where the bluff continues to fail and then trees are caught up in the 01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:52.460 You know in the erosion 01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:59.820 And so because I think it's been there've been people who've called me and said well if we just put more trees and planted more trees 01:09:59.820 --> 01:10:01.820 It would stabilize the bluff 01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:04.300 It kind of sounds like it's going 01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:08.300 Against maybe what you've been describing of the trees are a component to it 01:10:08.300 --> 01:10:11.900 But if there's major erosion going on that another tree 01:10:12.620 --> 01:10:14.620 Yeah in its current state 01:10:15.260 --> 01:10:20.140 It's it's too far gone to in my opinion to do anything with vegetation 01:10:20.860 --> 01:10:22.860 there needs to be 01:10:22.940 --> 01:10:24.940 actual construction 01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:26.940 reshaping of the land and 01:10:26.940 --> 01:10:28.940 bringing in of resilient 01:10:29.900 --> 01:10:34.380 Infrastructures rocks whatever it may be to provide that protection 01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:37.100 So it's eclipsed what a 01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:40.140 You know more vegetation would be able to stabilize 01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:45.980 Absolutely, it's current state. Yes. And so if if we didn't do it the ultimate 01:10:46.860 --> 01:10:52.860 Ending that would be that the trees would fall into the lake much like you witnessed and the bluff would be gone 01:10:53.020 --> 01:10:55.020 Yes, so I imagine when the lake 01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:59.340 Level rises again because it's cyclical whether that's five years six or seven years down the road 01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:05.260 We will most likely be experiencing the same issues just continuing forward 01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:08.220 All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate those my questions 01:11:10.860 --> 01:11:13.580 Thank you director kepnick seeing no further questions. We'll ask 01:11:14.060 --> 01:11:19.020 Commissioner roomy to please approach the deus and discuss the shoreline resiliency 01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:22.220 or lack thereof 01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:27.020 Thank you 01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:34.060 Thank you mayor and come council member. So i'm going to review a little bit 01:11:34.700 --> 01:11:38.540 The presentation that I believe we've made in march last before the common council 01:11:39.660 --> 01:11:42.700 Tam core was hired by the golf course group 01:11:43.180 --> 01:11:48.380 To provide shoreline protection plans my office in turn hired smith group 01:11:49.100 --> 01:11:53.500 To review the design your storm analysis prepared by tam core 01:11:54.140 --> 01:11:56.140 And determine whether the engineering 01:11:56.860 --> 01:12:03.740 Was sound or not a smith group is highly regarded coastal engineering firm that they did our harbor back in the 80s 01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:07.340 They found it to be sound engineering 01:12:08.540 --> 01:12:14.460 Final approval of those plans is will be under the purview of the Wisconsin department of natural resources 01:12:14.940 --> 01:12:20.940 And the us army core of engineers as they are the regulatory and permitting agencies over waters of the state 01:12:21.740 --> 01:12:23.980 Um, there's been some confusion. I think about 01:12:24.780 --> 01:12:26.860 You know accessing the shoreline and the revetment 01:12:27.260 --> 01:12:30.540 So i'd like to clear that up a little bit to the toe of the proposed revetment 01:12:31.020 --> 01:12:34.780 Will be placed well above the ordinary high watermark of lake michigan 01:12:35.260 --> 01:12:40.780 Meaning there will always be beach that will exist between the toe of the revetment and the shoreline that is defined by the current 01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:42.540 lake level 01:12:42.540 --> 01:12:43.020 um 01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:48.620 And this will always be available then for the public to walk the entire 3 000 foot shoreline 01:12:48.940 --> 01:12:51.900 So the statutory ordinary high watermark of lake michigan 01:12:52.700 --> 01:12:58.060 Is 579.8 feet above sea level that's for regulatory purposes 01:12:58.620 --> 01:13:02.220 Um, it's elevation represents a fixed legal point 01:13:03.020 --> 01:13:07.740 Used for coastal management and permitting rather than like a daily average water level 01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:16.060 The revetment toe for this shoreline protection revetment will be constructed at elevations that vary between 583 01:13:16.620 --> 01:13:20.380 And 585 so it'll be well above that ordinary high watermark 01:13:21.340 --> 01:13:22.300 um 01:13:22.300 --> 01:13:27.980 Just to give you some context of where the water level was back in january of 2020 01:13:28.540 --> 01:13:33.900 Um, it was at 582 point four feet. It was almost at all time record high 01:13:34.620 --> 01:13:35.900 um 01:13:35.900 --> 01:13:42.060 And that's what causes the significant coastal erosion and flooding you know when combined with the record storm event 01:13:42.620 --> 01:13:43.900 um 01:13:43.900 --> 01:13:47.900 The estimated costs of the shoreline protection for this project 01:13:48.460 --> 01:13:51.020 Um, this is the revetment the slope embankment 01:13:51.580 --> 01:13:56.700 Um and access road is estimated between 1.2 and 1.3 million dollars 01:13:57.260 --> 01:14:01.100 And the engineering and permitting is estimated at about 150 000 01:14:01.740 --> 01:14:06.700 Uh, the revetment is estimated to have a useful service life of anywhere from 50 to 100 years 01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:11.420 This is obviously dependent on any wave conditions that could cause problems with that 01:14:11.980 --> 01:14:16.140 The revetment is speaking with both the city's consultant and the designer 01:14:16.620 --> 01:14:20.220 It should be inspected after any significant storm that produces 01:14:22.780 --> 01:14:27.180 Significant waves when the lake level is over 581 feet above sea level 01:14:27.580 --> 01:14:31.180 And that's something that probably should be considered when that event happens 01:14:31.820 --> 01:14:32.380 um 01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:40.060 And also just you probably know this already but fema provided no funding for repairs of this property after evaluations and applications 01:14:40.540 --> 01:14:44.380 Were made by the city overseeing and smith group six years ago 01:14:44.860 --> 01:14:49.020 Um lastly, we all saw a task of looking at the existing buildings on the property 01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:53.100 So there are two buildings out there two properties if you will that are separated 01:14:53.580 --> 01:14:57.340 Um both buildings the clubhouse and that service garage 01:14:57.820 --> 01:15:01.260 They're included in the city's facilities condition assessment program 01:15:01.740 --> 01:15:07.340 Uh both buildings have facility condition condition index scores over 30 percent 01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:12.140 So an fci score represents a percentage of fraction of investment that needs to be made 01:15:12.540 --> 01:15:16.300 In a building over the next 10 years divided by the replacement cost of that facility 01:15:16.860 --> 01:15:17.740 So 01:15:17.740 --> 01:15:20.700 Anything over 0.30 should be considered 01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:23.260 For replacement or being raised 01:15:23.820 --> 01:15:28.380 The clubhouse is 0.37 and the service garage is 0.42 01:15:29.020 --> 01:15:29.820 Um 01:15:29.820 --> 01:15:35.820 The estimated useful life of these facilities the clubhouse has about 6.7 years left and the service garage 01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:37.820 a little over five 01:15:37.820 --> 01:15:38.460 Um 01:15:38.460 --> 01:15:43.260 There are several assets associated with each building that are also beyond their use of a service life 01:15:43.740 --> 01:15:45.900 um for example the parking lot 01:15:45.900 --> 01:15:47.260 um 01:15:47.260 --> 01:15:51.500 The clubhouse itself along with the land of the parking lot has a net present value 01:15:51.980 --> 01:15:53.980 Of about $975,000 01:15:54.940 --> 01:15:56.940 The assets on that property 01:15:57.100 --> 01:16:00.700 Um that are now beyond the useful life are nearly 300,000 01:16:01.180 --> 01:16:04.540 And the service garage has a net present value of just over 100 01:16:05.100 --> 01:16:09.580 And the assets associated with that are now totaling 25,000 01:16:09.660 --> 01:16:10.460 So 01:16:10.460 --> 01:16:15.420 In summary, you know, the value of the shoreline production is close to 1.5 million 01:16:15.980 --> 01:16:18.060 The assets of both these buildings, um 01:16:18.700 --> 01:16:25.020 Have a net present value of a million, but they have liabilities that are exceeding 300,000 dollars currently 01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:33.020 So, um, this would be 1.8 million dollars that the city would not have to invest in this property to take care of the shoreline 01:16:33.660 --> 01:16:37.660 Or take care of these assets that are deteriorating at these different locations 01:16:38.460 --> 01:16:40.300 If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them 01:16:41.020 --> 01:16:43.020 under mac 01:16:43.020 --> 01:16:45.260 I think you have a couple questions number one 01:16:45.900 --> 01:16:47.820 um 01:16:47.820 --> 01:16:49.580 In your opinion 01:16:49.580 --> 01:16:51.580 Does the city have the money to? 01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:53.820 Budget to 01:16:53.820 --> 01:16:58.460 Make the upgrades to shoot park and it is a is it a priority within your 01:16:59.260 --> 01:17:01.900 department based on all the other 01:17:02.540 --> 01:17:04.540 Um priorities you currently have 01:17:05.580 --> 01:17:09.740 Well, I mean all the assets in the city that under the purview public works are a priority 01:17:09.820 --> 01:17:13.260 It's it's a question of funding and and making choices and that's you know 01:17:13.340 --> 01:17:17.740 What you folks on the common council have to make those decisions. What do you want to prioritize? 01:17:18.060 --> 01:17:20.060 I can tell you we have a growing list of 01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:23.340 70 plus buildings that we have in the city 01:17:23.820 --> 01:17:28.300 Um that we have not been able to address adequately 01:17:29.820 --> 01:17:31.820 Roads sewer infrastructure 01:17:32.220 --> 01:17:38.700 Lighting other facilities so at least it's it's it's a long list and uh we'd love to take care of these things 01:17:38.780 --> 01:17:40.620 But it's not a priority 01:17:40.620 --> 01:17:46.780 Right now. I think of common council or public works at this time because there are other things that are in the queue 01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:51.420 And we have a fire station, which I think is approximately what 60 million dollars 01:17:51.980 --> 01:17:58.220 It has to common council is yeah contemplating a new fire station which would commit another 50 million dollars 01:17:59.020 --> 01:18:04.380 So um, I'm assuming that the council is going to put 01:18:05.020 --> 01:18:10.140 Making upgrades at shoe park very very low on the list 01:18:10.780 --> 01:18:15.020 uh, I can't speak for my my colleagues but looking at 01:18:16.540 --> 01:18:20.060 the fiscal position that we're in today and 01:18:21.100 --> 01:18:24.620 the need for both the police and of 01:18:25.180 --> 01:18:33.500 Uh new fire fire station is probably going to take a higher priority. There's some concern about 01:18:36.540 --> 01:18:43.580 Who's going to be responsible if the johnson leopold family pulls out after 10 years 01:18:43.980 --> 01:18:47.420 I'm really not concerned about that because the way I look at it is 01:18:48.140 --> 01:18:50.540 They're making a 10 million dollar investment 01:18:51.100 --> 01:18:57.340 Looks like a couple million dollar investment in infrastructure clubhouse maintenance building 01:18:57.820 --> 01:18:59.820 Um, not sure how much the irrigation 01:19:00.940 --> 01:19:03.820 System is going to cost so 01:19:04.700 --> 01:19:10.460 Uh, whether it's us making that investment or they're making that investment 01:19:11.180 --> 01:19:18.940 Um, if they don't get involved in the the project and we end up having to make those 01:19:19.020 --> 01:19:20.540 um 01:19:20.540 --> 01:19:23.420 Make those investments we're going to be on the hook for 01:19:24.540 --> 01:19:27.900 for it, you know in perpetuity 01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:30.220 um 01:19:30.220 --> 01:19:32.540 And at least for the next 10 years 01:19:33.340 --> 01:19:35.420 I um assuming that the 01:19:36.220 --> 01:19:41.580 agreement means that they're going to maintain and and provide the upkeep and 01:19:42.380 --> 01:19:46.940 They've made it very clear. They want a 50 year lease. I'm thinking the 10 year lease may have been 01:19:47.500 --> 01:19:52.060 something the city negotiated so that we can look at it after 10 years and see if there's a 01:19:52.620 --> 01:19:53.980 opportunity 01:19:53.980 --> 01:19:55.740 Um, if things are going 01:19:55.740 --> 01:20:01.900 Successfully to maybe generate a little bit more income for the city. I don't know that will be a question for 01:20:02.620 --> 01:20:06.140 Uh, the mayor and attorney let me when that time comes, but 01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:12.780 Do you have any issues if they walk away after 10 years with? 01:20:13.740 --> 01:20:17.660 Having these brand new buildings that uh, they've invested 01:20:18.380 --> 01:20:23.820 Well, and I don't think neither with the buildings themselves or the shoreline protection investment 01:20:24.140 --> 01:20:27.740 If you look at the areas that were damaged in that january 2020 storm 01:20:28.140 --> 01:20:30.620 Uh, those are the areas that were either 01:20:31.100 --> 01:20:36.780 Engineered poorly not engineered at all or the wrong material was used and those are the parts that failed 01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:41.500 So the plans that were prepared by tambour that were reviewed by smith group that i'll go to the dnr 01:20:41.580 --> 01:20:46.940 Corvage near for a very thorough review are going to be the type of materials in the engineering that sound 01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:50.380 They usually can withstand even some of these most ferocious storms 01:20:50.700 --> 01:20:54.780 There are still areas that exist along our lakefront that were untouched 01:20:55.420 --> 01:20:59.260 By that january 2020 storm because they were done correctly with the correct materials 01:20:59.820 --> 01:21:04.300 So I i'm not concerned about either one of those things if in 10 years for some reason 01:21:04.780 --> 01:21:06.780 They decided they did 01:21:09.740 --> 01:21:11.340 Well, we 01:21:11.340 --> 01:21:16.220 I we don't have I don't think we have a building other than the new transfer station that's less than 20 years old 01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:21.900 So I think the city would welcome any new building that has very little maintenance cost to it. So 01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:24.620 Yeah 01:21:24.620 --> 01:21:26.620 Other questions for commissioner runy 01:21:27.900 --> 01:21:29.900 Okay, thank you very much 01:21:30.060 --> 01:21:33.180 We're now going to go to public input again when 01:21:34.140 --> 01:21:37.100 The clerk calls your name, please come up to the ds 01:21:37.900 --> 01:21:43.580 You will have three minutes to say we want to say we do have more than 15 people registered to speak 01:21:44.220 --> 01:21:46.060 So just I would encourage all of you 01:21:46.780 --> 01:21:50.860 If you are saying something that is has already been said try to keep it 01:21:51.340 --> 01:21:57.660 To something maybe new and novel three minutes are yours to speak on this topic and and this topic only 01:21:58.540 --> 01:22:00.540 And if the clerk could please call the first name 01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:03.020 Jesse 01:22:03.020 --> 01:22:05.500 Jesse Booker 126 Sheffield Drive 01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:10.220 I think I saw you on facebook. Yeah 01:22:10.940 --> 01:22:12.140 Hi guys 01:22:12.140 --> 01:22:16.620 All right, so first of all Wednesday july 15th festival park for racene's got town 01:22:16.620 --> 01:22:22.700 Please feel free to come out by show of hands. How many people here are directly related to the chute family? 01:22:23.180 --> 01:22:25.180 Feel free to raise your hand 01:22:26.140 --> 01:22:32.540 Nobody I'm going to ask that you please do not invoke the name of a family that you are not directly related to first and foremost 01:22:32.940 --> 01:22:35.740 Now i'm going to take you on a little history lesson over win point 01:22:36.220 --> 01:22:39.340 So 1917 the land was turned over to the city 01:22:39.740 --> 01:22:43.340 How many individuals here live in a house that was built before? 01:22:44.460 --> 01:22:46.460 1917 and win point 01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:48.620 None 01:22:48.620 --> 01:22:51.580 Okay, my family owns the house that is an eyesore 01:22:52.060 --> 01:22:53.580 online house drive 01:22:53.580 --> 01:22:59.340 My uncle less and my aunt Phyllis the gray house just north of the prairie school is everybody familiar with that house 01:22:59.580 --> 01:23:01.580 Yeah, just north my grandpa 01:23:01.900 --> 01:23:07.980 Gerald wish i'll also known as p-nut tended the land in win point that used to be farmland 01:23:08.540 --> 01:23:15.500 Right he had a fruit cart and a vegetable cart and pumpkins on his front lawn for the individuals of win point 01:23:16.300 --> 01:23:20.060 All right at some point over the course of the last 109 years 01:23:20.860 --> 01:23:24.860 There was a question do we want to make improvements in the land or do we want to keep it the same? 01:23:25.740 --> 01:23:30.300 109 years that house was built in the late 1800s and i'm sure that anybody in win point 01:23:30.700 --> 01:23:35.740 Will be glad to see that house come down in an instant because it's an eyesore built in the late 1800s 01:23:36.380 --> 01:23:39.980 the prairie school the charm jewel of win point was built in 01:23:40.940 --> 01:23:46.460 mid 1900s right i'm sure at some point somebody said should we build this school and a lot of people voted yes 01:23:46.860 --> 01:23:49.660 And since then there have been many improvements to the prairie school 01:23:50.220 --> 01:23:52.780 But at some point somebody couldn't said no keep it the same 01:23:53.180 --> 01:23:58.300 We could either accept a 10 million dollar investment into win point or we could keep it the same 01:23:59.100 --> 01:24:05.980 All of the land along that coast for lake michigan was tended by my grandpa and at some point somebody voted to improve that land 01:24:06.540 --> 01:24:08.780 north of my grandpa's house was all farm land 01:24:09.500 --> 01:24:11.740 All the land around that was tended by my grandfather 01:24:11.740 --> 01:24:18.300 But the same people of win point who live in brand new houses are now here today trying to tell us to keep it the same 01:24:18.860 --> 01:24:20.860 109 year old property 01:24:21.420 --> 01:24:27.260 Why would you want to forgo a 10 million dollar investment into your property into your 01:24:28.700 --> 01:24:34.860 Your space and just keep it the same i'm not understanding if somebody came to you and said hey i'll improve your kitchen 01:24:35.740 --> 01:24:37.580 $50,000 you can have it would you accept that 01:24:38.540 --> 01:24:44.620 Would you accept them investing into your home then why would you not accept them investing into your land around your house? 01:24:44.700 --> 01:24:46.460 I just don't understand 01:24:46.460 --> 01:24:52.380 Somebody has to help me make it make sense why we would not accept a 10 million dollar investment to improve the land 01:24:52.940 --> 01:24:56.780 That has been developed over and over and over again in the course of the last 109 years 01:24:57.180 --> 01:25:01.580 You don't have to answer today, but you are welcome to reach out to me jesse booker and explain to me 01:25:01.980 --> 01:25:06.700 Why you don't see the value. Thank you guys very much for your time. Thank you guys very much for your time 01:25:07.340 --> 01:25:09.340 I 01:25:10.780 --> 01:25:13.340 Greg Thompson 2 2 1 13th app 01:25:17.180 --> 01:25:24.620 Hi, greg Thompson 2 2 1 13th avenue. Um, i've been playing chute park for probably close to 30 years now 01:25:25.260 --> 01:25:26.060 um 01:25:26.060 --> 01:25:28.060 Often on usually a few guys 01:25:29.100 --> 01:25:32.940 With me will come up because it's not for the quality of the golf 01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:37.660 It's for the walk by this serene beautiful lake shore environment 01:25:38.540 --> 01:25:40.620 We we just love it. It's it's just a 01:25:41.260 --> 01:25:45.340 A unique place there's only one other place you can play golf on the lake in wisconsin 01:25:45.420 --> 01:25:49.740 And we can't afford to go play there because it's whistling straights and it's over 400 dollars around 01:25:50.540 --> 01:25:52.540 plus caddy 01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:58.380 Now we have this opportunity for a donation of 10 million dollars to improve this property 01:25:59.180 --> 01:26:05.100 And to make it accessible to people of all ages races and income levels 01:26:06.540 --> 01:26:12.460 The kizer family who is behind dream golf has a 25 year record of environmental 01:26:13.020 --> 01:26:15.100 Stewardship and providing inclusive golf 01:26:15.820 --> 01:26:19.420 For juniors that wouldn't otherwise have that opportunity 01:26:20.140 --> 01:26:22.540 And that'll be part of this project as I understand it 01:26:23.260 --> 01:26:28.860 Perfect example of this is what the kizer family did in madison at the glenway golf course 01:26:30.060 --> 01:26:35.580 Um where they rejuvenated an old course that the city cannot afford to to restore 01:26:36.700 --> 01:26:38.380 um 01:26:38.380 --> 01:26:47.020 Two projects that i've been fortunate enough to see are sand valley here in wisconsin and ban and dunes on the close to aragon that the kizer family did 01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:53.100 Um, they're they're absolutely stunning and this is the type of environment. They're they're looking to bring here 01:26:54.860 --> 01:27:01.020 Now you have the local family of craig lee uphold and helen johnson who have a as you know a long record of 01:27:03.100 --> 01:27:06.300 Donating to the community and being doing sustainable projects 01:27:07.100 --> 01:27:08.060 um 01:27:08.060 --> 01:27:09.900 It's an incredible 01:27:09.900 --> 01:27:16.540 Situation to have two of these families that have done such good work for decades 01:27:17.020 --> 01:27:22.860 Coming together to do this project here in the city to racine. It's just stunning that that's even a possibility 01:27:24.540 --> 01:27:29.340 Um, some of the things I think that are important to know besides the golf 01:27:29.820 --> 01:27:37.340 Continuing the vehicle of course are the new walking paths for the public for people to walk with their family their dogs would have you 01:27:38.140 --> 01:27:42.460 Obviously as you heard the strong and stabilization and erosion control is a huge factor 01:27:43.340 --> 01:27:46.220 Um restoring and enhancing wildlife habitat 01:27:47.180 --> 01:27:52.540 Not much has been spoken about that, but what they plan to do and what they've done at their other courses that I visited 01:27:53.260 --> 01:27:55.260 greatly enhanced that 01:27:55.260 --> 01:27:56.060 um 01:27:56.060 --> 01:28:02.540 The opportunities for juniors to to work there in the club house and to be caddies and to play golf are huge 01:28:03.820 --> 01:28:07.660 Um handy cap accessibility for the first time at shoe park 01:28:08.300 --> 01:28:13.180 It would be very difficult to get around that place right now, but you'll have that with the new parking lot in club house 01:28:14.060 --> 01:28:17.500 It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and I hope that city 01:28:22.460 --> 01:28:25.340 Michael Burke 1 2 3 2 Florence have 01:28:29.660 --> 01:28:33.580 Hi, um, I've spoken to you before so I'm sure some of you remember me 01:28:33.900 --> 01:28:36.860 I'm the current president of hoyota bond society 01:28:37.340 --> 01:28:47.020 And um, I have to say for the record that our official board position is that we are opposed to this course that vol was taken in april 01:28:47.740 --> 01:28:49.260 um 01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:50.700 However 01:28:50.700 --> 01:28:53.980 Since then I've had we've had a couple of opportunities 01:28:54.460 --> 01:28:57.660 Thanks to the developer's willingness to listen to us to talk to us 01:28:58.300 --> 01:29:04.780 Including um a zoom call with craig haltom who was here and with gents jensen on may 1st 01:29:05.420 --> 01:29:07.420 with myself and two others 01:29:07.420 --> 01:29:11.420 Um, it was very informative and somewhat encouraging 01:29:11.980 --> 01:29:14.700 And just three days ago just last friday 01:29:15.340 --> 01:29:20.860 I and two of my board members were able to walk around on the course with gents jensen 01:29:20.860 --> 01:29:27.100 So I don't I don't question their motives, but I do have to repeat that 01:29:27.820 --> 01:29:31.340 This property is one of the very best richest 01:29:31.660 --> 01:29:37.740 um habitats in the whole state of wisconsin for the number of bird species that have been have been identified there 01:29:38.300 --> 01:29:40.300 um, so 01:29:41.100 --> 01:29:47.260 I feel like they're trying to be reasonable. I'm trying to be reasonable as well. And at this point I feel like 01:29:47.980 --> 01:29:48.940 um 01:29:48.940 --> 01:29:50.940 What I would like to see is 01:29:51.420 --> 01:29:53.660 A lot of people are only talking about trees or no trees 01:29:54.220 --> 01:29:59.740 Um, but I want to point out that there are other types of habitat on the shoot course 01:29:59.980 --> 01:30:05.420 That are really rich with birds. Um, and I'm just wondering I wish craig was sitting here still 01:30:05.980 --> 01:30:11.900 Um, but uh, I I'm just wondering if there is some way to incorporate some of those other 01:30:12.460 --> 01:30:15.820 Sort of mid-range habitats. I know this really 01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:21.420 A poll of this vision is that you'll be able to stand on the east side of the course anywhere and look at the lake 01:30:21.980 --> 01:30:25.020 I'm wondering if he would accept anything a little less than that 01:30:25.580 --> 01:30:26.700 um 01:30:26.780 --> 01:30:31.900 And perhaps find ways to incorporate some of these areas, uh, that are rich with bird 01:30:32.860 --> 01:30:35.980 Habitat into the into the plans. Um, 01:30:37.020 --> 01:30:40.620 I suppose it's not reasonable for me to hope that they could 01:30:41.340 --> 01:30:47.260 Do the bluff work in two stages, but that would be the ideal thing because as soon as you take that he'll set that whole 01:30:47.740 --> 01:30:53.180 Bluff down, uh, we're gonna lose birds for years and years and years. Um, so 01:30:54.220 --> 01:30:55.660 I'm 01:30:55.740 --> 01:31:01.580 Asking for just ways that they can find to perhaps accommodate 01:31:02.540 --> 01:31:04.540 some of that habitat, um 01:31:05.660 --> 01:31:10.620 You know keep in mind sand doesn't do anything for birds. So we're gonna lose a lot of birds 01:31:10.700 --> 01:31:15.740 No matter what they'll come back maybe 10 years, maybe 15 years, maybe 20 years 01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:21.500 Um, but it's more than just the trees. So I just want to kind of plant that idea and um 01:31:21.900 --> 01:31:25.900 I guess that's about it. Thanks 01:31:29.820 --> 01:31:31.820 Thomas Hess 1016 Hamilton Street 01:31:46.460 --> 01:31:49.980 Dr. Laura Brentman Johnson 2814 Green Street 01:31:51.500 --> 01:31:53.500 I 01:31:58.060 --> 01:32:06.220 Hi everyone, um, my name is dr. Laura Brentman Johnson. I live in district five represented by all the retorgensen. Sorry. Um, 01:32:06.860 --> 01:32:11.580 It's got a lot of calls for me. Um, thank you for the opportunity. Um, 01:32:12.460 --> 01:32:15.980 I want to kind of just ask a rhetorical question because I know the answer but 01:32:16.540 --> 01:32:20.300 Um, do you guys know who plants the flowers at chute park and who tends to them? 01:32:20.860 --> 01:32:22.620 Um, do you know 01:32:22.620 --> 01:32:27.900 Who power washes the clubhouse right now when the spiders get kind of out of control and it gets kind of gross? 01:32:28.780 --> 01:32:30.380 I do 01:32:30.380 --> 01:32:35.100 Do you know the little old guy that golfs four holes and has a beer a couple times a week? 01:32:35.740 --> 01:32:41.900 I know him. Have you met the kids out there that are from a lot of the local high schools that golf out there? 01:32:42.700 --> 01:32:44.300 I know a lot of them 01:32:44.300 --> 01:32:48.940 Have you ever talked to the people that walk the shoreline along hole two that's 01:32:49.660 --> 01:32:51.660 Undoubtedly sinking into the lake 01:32:52.540 --> 01:32:57.900 Certainly I I've met them. Um, I don't know if any of you have but what a treat 01:32:58.940 --> 01:33:01.900 Those are the people that I care about when we talk about all this 01:33:02.620 --> 01:33:08.940 No one can make a reasonable argument that chute doesn't need work. I have golf chute for a very long time 01:33:09.580 --> 01:33:14.940 Ask me about the best waterproof shoes. So you don't end up with soggy feet on holes. What? 01:33:15.580 --> 01:33:16.540 Uh 01:33:16.540 --> 01:33:17.900 four 01:33:17.900 --> 01:33:19.900 nine five 01:33:20.620 --> 01:33:22.620 Falling into a sinkhole and hole five 01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:26.460 It needs work, right? 01:33:28.060 --> 01:33:30.700 Shoop was we have a shoe because of like 01:33:31.420 --> 01:33:33.420 philanthropy is not dead right 01:33:33.820 --> 01:33:35.820 This is an incredible gift 01:33:36.060 --> 01:33:38.220 But part of it doesn't really feel like a gift 01:33:39.100 --> 01:33:43.740 Um, it feels like there's strings attached. I know we talk a lot about cost 01:33:44.380 --> 01:33:45.900 Um 01:33:45.900 --> 01:33:47.900 And we're talking about how it's going to go up 11 dollars 01:33:48.300 --> 01:33:50.620 I know a lot of people that don't have 11 dollars 01:33:51.260 --> 01:33:56.620 So when we talk about who this is for I love the idea of having more people come to Racine 01:33:56.700 --> 01:34:00.540 I love the city born and raised. I'm going to stay till I die, right? 01:34:01.260 --> 01:34:02.220 But 01:34:02.220 --> 01:34:05.340 I want this part to be for the kids that I see out there now 01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:10.380 I want it to be for me when I'm a thousand years old shuffling around the course 01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:13.100 That's who I want this to be for 01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:16.300 Again, I know 01:34:16.300 --> 01:34:22.300 It needs work. Nobody can argue that but please just keep it in mind as we move forward with this 01:34:23.340 --> 01:34:27.020 The people that use it are the people that matter. I appreciate 01:34:27.660 --> 01:34:31.740 The gifts. I appreciate the excitement for the course, but I don't want 01:34:32.460 --> 01:34:38.860 The people ever seen to be lost in all of this. So that that's my ask to you guys as you vote for this. Thank you 01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:41.420 I 01:34:42.860 --> 01:34:45.340 Kevin casner 2814 green street 01:34:54.060 --> 01:34:58.380 I'm a public school teacher by profession. Shoop is my summer job 01:34:59.020 --> 01:35:03.580 My love for Shoop comes from the fact that it is simply not a destination 01:35:03.980 --> 01:35:05.980 But a community based golf course 01:35:06.620 --> 01:35:12.220 We in the clubhouse are not going to deny you entry for being three minutes late. There's not a dress code 01:35:12.860 --> 01:35:17.740 We are not a course with a week long waiting list for a tea time let alone a year 01:35:18.700 --> 01:35:23.260 I cannot speak against the corporate dollar what I can speak from is my experience 01:35:24.060 --> 01:35:31.420 My experience from getting to know local business owners like miss you who owns the wig shop downtown and utilizes the course daily 01:35:32.380 --> 01:35:39.580 The group of high school kids that I get out every weekend for an extra round because they can I can see how much they care 01:35:40.060 --> 01:35:46.380 And they don't have a school team and they're truly working on getting better. Did I hurt our bottom dollar? Absolutely 01:35:47.020 --> 01:35:49.020 It's worth every penny 01:35:49.580 --> 01:35:53.660 Uh the community group that threw a birthday for shoe park 01:35:54.300 --> 01:35:59.500 The old timers that just want to do four and have a miller light the cost of that experience was eight dollars 01:36:02.060 --> 01:36:08.940 The group that plays cards once a week the couples i've seen their relationship grow the guy I saw daily last year 01:36:09.580 --> 01:36:12.940 Who expressed to me that this is what he does for his mental health 01:36:13.500 --> 01:36:15.420 I haven't seen him in a while. I hope he's okay 01:36:15.980 --> 01:36:20.540 The daily couple that comes into the clubhouse to talk about how they grew up here 01:36:20.940 --> 01:36:22.940 That is why shoop is a destination 01:36:23.340 --> 01:36:27.180 The prairie school and the coaches that get to use the property to figure it out 01:36:27.660 --> 01:36:30.220 The windpoint group that does the yearly beach cleanup 01:36:30.700 --> 01:36:35.580 I'm using my time today to speak for those who are not here shoe park needs help 01:36:36.300 --> 01:36:38.460 Shoe park does not need to be replaced 01:36:39.100 --> 01:36:44.620 I'm going to use what time I have left to challenge the investment group not to create a destination that in my opinion 01:36:45.260 --> 01:36:48.460 Simply will not set itself apart from other options in the state 01:36:49.020 --> 01:36:53.660 I challenge you to view us as an as a community course not a corporate opportunity 01:36:54.220 --> 01:36:59.340 I challenge the group of citizens in front of me to look past the one-sided videos on social media 01:36:59.740 --> 01:37:06.620 And honestly the silly AI driven campaigns that provide a laughably false idea of what this will look like 01:37:07.420 --> 01:37:11.500 I challenge the city to continue the train of thought that i've already heard from you 01:37:12.060 --> 01:37:16.540 The conversation put forward by the investment group has not been city forward 01:37:17.420 --> 01:37:19.900 The optics are nothing but corporate driven 01:37:20.460 --> 01:37:25.740 Investors you have the opportunity to not replace us but build up what we already have 01:37:26.220 --> 01:37:32.140 The alternative iFIR is a historical community landmark and experience that will simply die 01:37:38.380 --> 01:37:40.620 Jeff new bower 1145 main street 01:37:50.860 --> 01:37:52.860 Thank 01:37:52.860 --> 01:37:58.620 Thank you, mr. Mayor and members of the council. I'm a fourth generation resident of the city of racine 01:37:59.180 --> 01:38:01.340 And i'm here to support this proposal 01:38:02.060 --> 01:38:04.060 Shoop is a wonderful asset 01:38:04.380 --> 01:38:09.580 And it is a very expensive deferred maintenance liability 01:38:11.020 --> 01:38:15.900 For no cost of the city residents we can address this enormous deferred 01:38:16.700 --> 01:38:24.140 Maintenance that we've heard about from mr. Rooney and an opportunity to enhance the asset with an amazing investment 01:38:24.620 --> 01:38:28.860 Of ten million dollars. This will be done extremely well 01:38:29.580 --> 01:38:31.580 Why can we count on that? 01:38:32.380 --> 01:38:37.820 Because these impressive plans are not just plans on a powerpoint presentation or in a video 01:38:38.220 --> 01:38:43.660 This is the leopold johnson family who are the investors and they always do it well 01:38:44.460 --> 01:38:50.940 Every johnson project is done with excellence with beauty and with integrity 01:38:51.660 --> 01:38:54.620 And with a multi-generational perspective 01:38:55.340 --> 01:39:03.420 The johnson's have been here investing in this community for six generations of business people with other generations on the way 01:39:06.460 --> 01:39:09.260 This is not going to solve all the city's problems 01:39:10.140 --> 01:39:11.580 But 01:39:11.580 --> 01:39:17.900 We do avoid 1.8 million dollars in deferred maintenance expense, which the city cannot afford to address 01:39:18.700 --> 01:39:22.540 We greatly invest in the property to the tune of 10 million dollars 01:39:23.260 --> 01:39:28.860 We generate new money for the city resident for the city government, which we would not otherwise have 01:39:29.660 --> 01:39:33.900 We bring new money to the city from out of town folks 01:39:34.380 --> 01:39:41.340 To spend in our restaurants in our hotels, which creates more jobs for our community than we would otherwise received 01:39:42.220 --> 01:39:46.380 Now i'd like to address the issue of walking on and enjoying the property 01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:50.140 I've been doing that for 30 years with my kids 01:39:50.700 --> 01:39:54.780 When gretta was little girl, we would go down there with my mom and her sisters 01:39:55.260 --> 01:40:00.380 And my mom would sit on the shore because she couldn't climb over all the trees and obstacles 01:40:01.180 --> 01:40:08.540 So she sat there we climbed over all that stuff. We had fun now gretta has a five-week old daughter 01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:14.060 I look forward to the day when I can go down there with my grandchildren 01:40:14.860 --> 01:40:19.500 And when i'm not able to climb over all the trees that have been there for 30 years 01:40:20.220 --> 01:40:25.900 And to be able to walk on those new paths and really enjoy that land and that landscape 01:40:26.220 --> 01:40:31.340 The way it should be enjoyed. So I want to thank you all for the opportunity to speak with you here today 01:40:31.420 --> 01:40:35.100 I want to thank you for your service on the council, which I know isn't always fun 01:40:35.660 --> 01:40:38.300 But you're serving the public and i'm grateful to you 01:40:38.620 --> 01:40:43.340 And I want to urge you to support this proposal for our community and our residents. Thank you 01:40:47.580 --> 01:40:49.900 John McLaughlin 62 harbor view drive 01:40:56.860 --> 01:41:01.660 Thanks very much, mr. Mayor and I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I am in support 01:41:02.380 --> 01:41:03.660 of the 01:41:03.660 --> 01:41:10.300 Shoe proposal. I became aware of it a number of months ago through colleagues that I do golf with it and 01:41:11.020 --> 01:41:15.740 You know, I'm taking the mayor's comments to heart. I'm not going to try to reiterate 01:41:16.460 --> 01:41:20.700 Some of the comments are made other than it's clear the investment 01:41:21.420 --> 01:41:25.420 Is substantial it's needed. I don't see a property like this 01:41:26.860 --> 01:41:29.900 Being brought to a reasonable standard without the investment 01:41:29.900 --> 01:41:36.860 But I think the point that I'd like to make the most is I've had the fortunate opportunity to golf at sand valley 01:41:37.340 --> 01:41:39.340 about a month and a half ago 01:41:39.740 --> 01:41:42.540 I i'm not from racena originally. I'm from New York 01:41:42.620 --> 01:41:46.140 So I've lived in Wisconsin for about six or seven years 01:41:46.700 --> 01:41:49.980 And I couldn't believe it we're in the middle of central, Wisconsin 01:41:50.300 --> 01:41:54.700 And i'm seeing these amazing sand dunes and I felt like it was on the coast 01:41:55.100 --> 01:41:57.100 So I'm looking at sand valley 01:41:57.980 --> 01:42:01.100 I'm looking at whistling straights and i'm saying well these communities 01:42:01.740 --> 01:42:06.540 Were able to figure it out. They were clearly disruptions to those communities 01:42:07.020 --> 01:42:11.660 They clearly had to go through some with the one to call it pain or whatever 01:42:12.380 --> 01:42:16.060 But the the outcome was amazing and I do believe 01:42:16.620 --> 01:42:21.740 Knowing some of my fellow golfers that we are drawn to destinations like this 01:42:21.740 --> 01:42:26.300 We want to play courses like this. We want to play. We want to invest in the hotels 01:42:26.300 --> 01:42:30.780 We want to eat at the restaurants. We want to drive revenue to these communities 01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:33.020 It's 01:42:33.020 --> 01:42:39.420 And I see the young kids at work at these places. It brings them employment opportunities 01:42:39.820 --> 01:42:43.500 It's to me. It's a win win for everybody and you know again 01:42:44.300 --> 01:42:50.060 I'll go back to my point. I saw what they did at sand valley. It is it is just absolutely spectacular 01:42:50.780 --> 01:42:56.940 And living in downtown resine i'm i'm all for the community. I want to see resine succeed 01:42:57.260 --> 01:43:00.060 I think this would be just a tremendous asset for the community 01:43:00.460 --> 01:43:03.820 And I know my golfing colleagues from around the united states 01:43:04.780 --> 01:43:06.780 We as pointed out earlier 01:43:06.780 --> 01:43:11.980 Come to resine come to sand valley come to whistling straights amazing amazing 01:43:12.860 --> 01:43:15.660 Opportunity for a seer and I hope you'll vote for it. Thank you 01:43:16.220 --> 01:43:18.220 I 01:43:19.660 --> 01:43:21.900 John baton 3430 michigan bollabar 01:43:30.700 --> 01:43:36.460 Thank you, mr. Mayor good evening everyone. I'm glad I didn't have to follow jesse. I'm going to be not that energetic 01:43:37.980 --> 01:43:38.780 I just 01:43:38.780 --> 01:43:43.180 Everyone here was asking the right questions and I definitely feel the passion 01:43:43.500 --> 01:43:47.500 Uh of the teacher. I'm sorry. I forgot your name. That's where I learned to play golf too 01:43:48.460 --> 01:43:50.940 40 50 50 years ago or so 01:43:51.500 --> 01:43:53.660 Um chute park is a special place 01:43:53.980 --> 01:43:59.660 Um, but I think we have to be honest that it's not a priority for the city. We can see 01:44:00.380 --> 01:44:02.380 What's happened over the past few decades 01:44:03.100 --> 01:44:06.860 It hasn't gotten better probably and this is no fault to the people working there 01:44:07.100 --> 01:44:10.300 They're working with a limited budget and you have priorities 01:44:10.460 --> 01:44:12.860 Um, which I will say in the city of rosine 01:44:13.580 --> 01:44:19.340 There are priorities. There's significantly more important than the chute park golf infrastructure 01:44:20.060 --> 01:44:21.340 um 01:44:21.340 --> 01:44:22.460 But 01:44:22.460 --> 01:44:28.780 This is I want to say a once in a lifetime opportunity, but it is the opportunity to bring something world-class 01:44:29.260 --> 01:44:31.900 Uh to our area something to make it unique 01:44:32.460 --> 01:44:34.220 um, I definitely 01:44:34.220 --> 01:44:35.740 also feel 01:44:35.740 --> 01:44:40.300 The emotion and the concern about making it affordable for rosine residents 01:44:40.700 --> 01:44:44.940 Particularly students young people learning to golf looking for a place for employment 01:44:45.420 --> 01:44:51.660 So I'm sure that there would be an appetite in corporate rosine to help with some scholarships 01:44:52.060 --> 01:44:54.700 Or something for young people to keep the cost 01:44:55.180 --> 01:45:01.420 Affordable to those just learning the game wanting to get involved so it's not necessarily the daily rate, but I would encourage 01:45:01.900 --> 01:45:06.620 Uh the council to reach out to see what we can do to help particularly with the young golfers 01:45:06.940 --> 01:45:12.620 To make it affordable for them because this is a gateway to a whole nother industry and opportunity 01:45:12.940 --> 01:45:16.700 Young kids going out there to work at a at a what this facility will be like 01:45:16.940 --> 01:45:20.300 I've been very blessed of been able to play abandoned dunes in sand valley 01:45:20.940 --> 01:45:22.940 They are absolutely spectacular 01:45:23.260 --> 01:45:24.380 um 01:45:24.380 --> 01:45:26.380 This will be too and it just 01:45:27.260 --> 01:45:30.940 Growing up, um with the johnson's. I just have to reiterate 01:45:31.420 --> 01:45:36.940 That their commitment to the environment and making sure that this is absolutely what they're going to say it's going to be 01:45:37.740 --> 01:45:43.900 I think it will be I just you have to trust that this will be a truly spectacular gem 01:45:44.380 --> 01:45:46.220 On lake michigan and again 01:45:46.620 --> 01:45:52.300 I understand your concerns about accessibility and how this brings more opportunities that people in the city rosine 01:45:52.620 --> 01:45:54.700 I would also look at it as again 01:45:55.660 --> 01:45:59.260 Just the 1.8 million, but what you don't have to invest in this 01:45:59.820 --> 01:46:02.620 Someone else is investing it. You're purely drawing revenue 01:46:03.020 --> 01:46:06.380 You can take those costs that you did those funds that you didn't have to invest 01:46:06.780 --> 01:46:12.380 And the ongoing revenue and apply it to things that we all know that could be you know higher priority for the residents of rosine 01:46:12.460 --> 01:46:14.460 So thank you very much. Thank you mr. Mayor 01:46:17.020 --> 01:46:19.020 Vinnie rotino 2312 Kinsey 01:46:30.220 --> 01:46:32.220 I 01:46:35.660 --> 01:46:37.900 Hello everybody. I'm bringing my daughters up 01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:46.060 I'll be brief because they're not making it all the way here to the end, but my name is vinnie rotino 01:46:46.380 --> 01:46:47.340 Um 01:46:47.340 --> 01:46:52.460 I'm lucky enough to do broadcasting for the mohawkie brewers. I'm the color commentator for the mohawkie brewers 01:46:53.020 --> 01:46:55.580 Born and raised here in racene love this community 01:46:56.300 --> 01:46:58.940 We're never leaving my wife and I both born and raised here 01:46:59.420 --> 01:47:04.220 Raising our three daughters and this is an opportunity to put an absolute gem here in this community 01:47:04.700 --> 01:47:09.660 Um, it's just kind of a no-brainer. I'm just I'm not going to reiterate everything that everybody else said 01:47:10.060 --> 01:47:14.380 I had an opportunity to play at erin hills yesterday actually coincidentally 01:47:14.780 --> 01:47:17.820 I'm not good enough of a golfer to play at erin hills 01:47:18.620 --> 01:47:21.580 And luckily I didn't have to pay the greens fee of 450 dollars 01:47:22.140 --> 01:47:23.580 um 01:47:23.660 --> 01:47:26.540 And I'll tell you that um 01:47:28.140 --> 01:47:32.140 Up and down the driving range there was people from all over the place. Okay 01:47:33.020 --> 01:47:35.340 You're hearing all kinds of different accents 01:47:36.140 --> 01:47:39.500 At at the driving range and i'm talking to the cat. He was a friend of mine 01:47:40.060 --> 01:47:44.300 And I said where are these people coming from and where are they going after this? 01:47:45.100 --> 01:47:49.900 He said they're going to go to whistling straights. They're going to go to sand valley. They're going to go to all the other 01:47:50.220 --> 01:47:53.660 Marquis golf courses around the state 01:47:54.300 --> 01:47:58.380 Raising Wisconsin will be another one of those destinations for these people 01:47:58.460 --> 01:48:03.340 Okay, and so we're talking about people from scotland ireland england all over the place 01:48:03.900 --> 01:48:06.300 Australia people they just want to play golf 01:48:06.300 --> 01:48:08.460 Okay, and play at the most marquee places 01:48:08.780 --> 01:48:15.340 And so now all of a sudden we're going to get an opportunity here in raising to play at a place like that for 24 dollars or 36 01:48:15.340 --> 01:48:18.060 Dollars whatever it's going to be. I mean no-brainer 01:48:18.540 --> 01:48:24.300 Um, so yes in the baseball theme people will come. Okay, if you build it people will come 01:48:24.860 --> 01:48:25.980 um 01:48:25.980 --> 01:48:32.860 The other thing is sand valley employs 300 junior caddies. Okay, this is the kinds of group they employ 300 junior caddies 01:48:33.020 --> 01:48:34.060 um 01:48:34.060 --> 01:48:37.180 Oh, my daughter keeps putting this picture of the golf course on my 01:48:38.220 --> 01:48:43.500 On my notes here and there's no there's no better stewards of this community than 01:48:44.460 --> 01:48:46.460 Craig and Helen there there just isn't 01:48:47.020 --> 01:48:48.140 And 01:48:48.140 --> 01:48:55.100 You know, I have an opportunity to know connor their son also he's going to follow in their footsteps. It's just going to happen 01:48:55.580 --> 01:48:57.580 Okay, so um 01:48:57.740 --> 01:48:58.780 Yeah 01:48:58.780 --> 01:49:02.460 I guess I wasn't brief that's tv talk for me three minutes 01:49:03.340 --> 01:49:04.380 so 01:49:04.380 --> 01:49:06.460 Uh, I hope you guys vote for it. Thank you 01:49:06.460 --> 01:49:08.460 You 01:49:09.980 --> 01:49:12.700 Karen johnson 5062 hunt club road 01:49:19.020 --> 01:49:21.020 Hello, um, hello 01:49:21.340 --> 01:49:22.220 Um 01:49:22.220 --> 01:49:29.180 Tonight you will vote to determine the future of chute park a scrappy municipal course with million dollar views as the developer once said 01:49:29.580 --> 01:49:31.580 It doesn't belong to the developer 01:49:31.660 --> 01:49:38.220 In 1917 dr. Clarendon and Ida chute needed the land to the city with an explicit unshakable condition 01:49:39.020 --> 01:49:46.140 And uh, I have the deed here that says the property shell forever be held maintained and improved by the city of rasine 01:49:46.460 --> 01:49:48.860 For public park services. There's his deed 01:49:49.500 --> 01:49:55.660 Up until this morning the lighthouse dunes video stated that dr. chute established a park and golf course 01:49:56.140 --> 01:50:01.420 In 1929 to remain a golf course forever. I think they wanted to establish that this was always dr 01:50:01.420 --> 01:50:03.660 chute's wish but they took it off today 01:50:04.300 --> 01:50:08.460 Dr. chute died five years before golf was added so it was never his wish 01:50:09.260 --> 01:50:13.580 Chute park was not purchased by the city via public funds or general municipal use 01:50:13.660 --> 01:50:17.180 It was an absolute benevolent gift to the citizens of rasine 01:50:17.500 --> 01:50:25.420 Under wisconsin property law accepting land dedicated forever creates a permanent charity charitable trust and a restrictive covenant 01:50:25.740 --> 01:50:32.620 The city of rasine merely serves as a fiduciary trustee and the general public remains the sole legal beneficiary 01:50:33.900 --> 01:50:39.500 Furthermore only yesterday did the developer post the pricing structure for residents 01:50:39.980 --> 01:50:46.780 In the agenda for today's meeting chute park proposed terms. You might want to read that the developer says after two years 01:50:47.340 --> 01:50:52.220 The reduced rate will only be available to rasine city residents 01:50:52.780 --> 01:50:58.300 Everyone else will be subjected to the premium pricing including windpoint residents where the club will be 01:50:59.740 --> 01:51:05.580 Will be placed and that's my unpleasant. That's everything and the developer hasn't even told you 01:51:06.140 --> 01:51:10.940 What the price is going to be? What is that price? Is it a hundred? It should be probably a hundred and 150 01:51:11.500 --> 01:51:13.900 Right now we pay nine to twelve dollars 01:51:15.500 --> 01:51:21.820 So also another thing is their vision is clear cutting the entire shoreline to mimic a scottish coastline 01:51:22.060 --> 01:51:27.740 It will completely wipe out the trees and natural habitat that over 270 bird species reliant 01:51:28.060 --> 01:51:33.020 Chute park is also a recognized as a critical migratory stop over along lake michigan 01:51:33.180 --> 01:51:41.260 The wisconsin dnr and other regulatory agencies are unequivocally clear about the absolute necessity of protecting our natural coastlines 01:51:41.580 --> 01:51:43.580 Destroying this decadent 01:51:43.580 --> 01:51:50.780 Delicate ecosystem for a manufactured fairway flies directly in the face of established environmental stewardship 01:51:51.180 --> 01:51:53.340 as the state and state guidelines 01:51:54.380 --> 01:51:55.340 also 01:51:55.340 --> 01:51:59.740 The fear of the bluff collapsing is a manufactured crisis to get a scottish doing 01:52:00.540 --> 01:52:04.780 Actually the figure from 2020 was only 80 feet that was lost 01:52:05.500 --> 01:52:08.540 So we have recently formed a citizens for chute park 01:52:09.100 --> 01:52:13.260 Organization and we plan to fight if you vote. Yes, we will be going to 01:52:14.380 --> 01:52:16.940 The attorney general. Thank you 01:52:21.580 --> 01:52:26.300 Richard pierce russon 1115 white sandling 01:52:29.260 --> 01:52:31.260 Thank you and good evening 01:52:31.660 --> 01:52:37.900 As a physician in internal medicine a lake michigan kayaker. I'm not a golfer. Sorry 01:52:39.260 --> 01:52:42.860 And a resident of windpoints since 1994. I appreciate this opportunity 01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:46.220 I have been having listened to the questions 01:52:47.180 --> 01:52:49.980 Before you and the answers i'll pair it down 01:52:50.780 --> 01:52:56.620 Yes, the hoy report is very important central the emphasized trees and grassland 01:52:57.020 --> 01:53:00.940 Grassland is important for all of the habitat infrastructure, etc, etc 01:53:01.420 --> 01:53:05.500 Please be aware of that cognizant of it and I appreciate the attention to that 01:53:05.820 --> 01:53:09.500 I don't hear that that's enough of a of attention on this proposal 01:53:10.540 --> 01:53:12.540 The implications of pesticides and 01:53:13.180 --> 01:53:16.620 Fertilizers, I hear that it's going to run off into lake michigan 01:53:17.500 --> 01:53:19.500 algal plumes are going to follow 01:53:19.820 --> 01:53:22.700 We and I appreciate that it's going to be minimal minimized 01:53:23.260 --> 01:53:31.420 Nevertheless, we need to have consideration of a mound perhaps of a septic system that captures and filters that before it goes out to lake michigan 01:53:31.740 --> 01:53:34.700 Maybe you want to run off in case there's a huge flood or something 01:53:34.780 --> 01:53:40.140 But some infrastructure that protects our shoreline, which is very delicate for habitat and for water quality 01:53:40.540 --> 01:53:42.540 Which we are all drinking from 01:53:43.180 --> 01:53:47.740 The loss of broad public access kayaker golfer photographer 01:53:48.540 --> 01:53:50.540 Pensive reflection purpose 01:53:50.780 --> 01:53:55.500 These are dog walker proposals or weddings. These are the sorts of things 01:53:55.980 --> 01:54:00.540 I don't want to have to go to a golf club or to a clubhouse in order to launch kayak 01:54:00.860 --> 01:54:07.900 You cannot launch from lake from the windpoint. That's a treacherous and dangerous place to launch from currently my wife and I launched 01:54:08.540 --> 01:54:10.540 From the parking lot at shoe park 01:54:10.780 --> 01:54:18.700 Yes, the walkway is narrowed. Yes, we still navigate that but that's the place to to learn from can you somehow figure out how to get 01:54:19.100 --> 01:54:22.140 Access to the lake for petalsports for instance 01:54:23.340 --> 01:54:26.620 Shoe park has mentioned was bequeathed. That isn't negotiable 01:54:27.020 --> 01:54:28.540 We have to honor that 01:54:28.540 --> 01:54:35.180 Original request for public lands or a veteran's home or an old man's home as I heard that it was described accurately so 01:54:36.140 --> 01:54:40.380 finally sam johnson himself fought publicly against we energies 01:54:41.020 --> 01:54:45.260 Against the expansion of the oak creek coal fire plant his driving principles 01:54:45.900 --> 01:54:48.380 Where that he took the long view for the community 01:54:49.420 --> 01:54:55.900 He took it seriously quote based on quality of life issues with our people the health of our people the health of our families and my family 01:54:56.540 --> 01:55:02.460 And he talked to richard abato at ceo if i'm pronouncing that correctly of we energies and we really got a nope 01:55:02.780 --> 01:55:09.420 Comprehensive answers they just went out charging with their plan and they were going to sell this plan to the community. I felt a little bit brushed off 01:55:10.380 --> 01:55:16.220 Well, I feel a little bit brushed off too and I asked for yes refresh that golf course it needs it 01:55:16.940 --> 01:55:21.500 Get broad community import and access to the lake for people who want it and have it now 01:55:21.500 --> 01:55:23.980 But are going to lose it dedicated golf now 01:55:24.780 --> 01:55:28.620 Listen to expert guidance and get a consultant to advise you. Thank you 01:55:28.780 --> 01:55:30.780 You 01:55:31.740 --> 01:55:33.740 Harry Schultz 539 Newman Road 01:55:39.100 --> 01:55:43.100 Um, I have a couple issues that I feel have not been addressed 01:55:45.180 --> 01:55:51.500 I I I guess we know there will be caddies at the golf course. So I'd like to know if the caddies will be required 01:55:52.780 --> 01:55:54.460 And also 01:55:54.460 --> 01:55:57.020 I'm not really sure if there's going to be golf carts 01:55:57.660 --> 01:56:03.980 And if there are golf carts are the golf carts going to be required because these would be additional things making the 01:56:04.700 --> 01:56:09.980 golf course less affordable for probably city-reseen residents and others 01:56:11.580 --> 01:56:13.580 and um 01:56:14.700 --> 01:56:19.020 And I guess this is the first time I've heard tonight that the 01:56:19.980 --> 01:56:22.620 the fee for an unreseen residence will be 01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:26.540 as high as possible we're told and 01:56:27.500 --> 01:56:29.020 I guess I 01:56:29.020 --> 01:56:31.980 Figure that was brought up was a hundred and fifty dollars 01:56:33.340 --> 01:56:35.340 So you have to consider that 01:56:35.900 --> 01:56:43.100 You know you have bob and joe go to case high school one lives in the city-reseen one lives in Mount Pleasant 01:56:44.460 --> 01:56:46.460 The 01:56:46.700 --> 01:56:51.100 Kid from Mount Pleasant will have to pay a hundred and fifty dollars to go off with his friend that pays 01:56:52.380 --> 01:56:56.620 24 or 35 dollars or something like that. So it's kind of a 01:56:57.900 --> 01:56:59.900 It 01:57:00.860 --> 01:57:05.100 Will not be all that affordable for a majority of the people really 01:57:07.500 --> 01:57:09.500 And 01:57:10.300 --> 01:57:15.340 And you also question I also question whether it's sustainable to 01:57:17.820 --> 01:57:23.180 Have such an expensive golf course that it's not going to make any money. It's never going to pay for itself 01:57:24.700 --> 01:57:26.700 maybe 01:57:26.780 --> 01:57:28.460 a less 01:57:28.460 --> 01:57:29.900 elaborate 01:57:29.900 --> 01:57:33.900 Less expensive version of restoring it would make more sense 01:57:34.940 --> 01:57:36.940 Thank you 01:57:38.940 --> 01:57:40.940 Adam mattson 5444 mile road 01:57:40.940 --> 01:57:42.940 For my room 01:57:51.980 --> 01:57:55.580 Good evening, my name is Adam mattson. I don't technically live in the city of raseen 01:57:55.580 --> 01:57:58.300 But I own a lot of property here. I pay taxes here 01:57:58.700 --> 01:58:02.220 And we're extensively in raseen and i've been deeply invested in this community 01:58:02.700 --> 01:58:06.380 I'm here tonight simply to voice my support for the proposed part project 01:58:06.620 --> 01:58:11.660 I think it's a great opportunity for the city and a positive investment in one of raseen's unique late front assets 01:58:12.460 --> 01:58:17.500 I hope the community supports the proposal and moves it forward. There's plenty of time for everybody else 01:58:21.420 --> 01:58:23.900 Remi oscarson 2614 indian trail 01:58:29.820 --> 01:58:31.900 Good morning. It's good to see you here 01:58:31.900 --> 01:58:38.060 I've heard a lot of talk about what's good for the young people here and well here i am 01:58:40.220 --> 01:58:43.020 On this year. I will be a senior at the prairie school 01:58:43.980 --> 01:58:47.340 And this year will be my 13th year at that school 01:58:48.860 --> 01:58:52.300 Now i've grown up a lot here and spent a lot of time here and 01:58:53.260 --> 01:58:57.580 Just in this committee. I've heard four reasons for this 01:58:58.220 --> 01:59:00.220 This 01:59:00.220 --> 01:59:01.660 development 01:59:01.660 --> 01:59:07.900 The first is the crumbling infrastructure and to that I say we do not need to double the size of golf course 01:59:08.780 --> 01:59:10.780 To fix a few aging buildings 01:59:11.900 --> 01:59:13.900 The second the second. Sorry 01:59:15.260 --> 01:59:17.100 Is the ecosystem 01:59:17.100 --> 01:59:20.700 It shouldn't take you someone who just finished biology and past 01:59:21.340 --> 01:59:26.780 To tell you that the roots of trees and plants is what clings to the soil 01:59:27.020 --> 01:59:29.020 And absorbs the water 01:59:30.060 --> 01:59:32.300 I do not see how this proposal will mitigate 01:59:33.660 --> 01:59:35.660 That erosion 01:59:35.660 --> 01:59:41.500 The third is that this will be a destination for people far and wide to come to 01:59:43.420 --> 01:59:48.220 Now that I say through my time growing up here. I've spent a lot of time in this area 01:59:48.940 --> 01:59:50.940 If I can speak to it for a moment 01:59:51.660 --> 01:59:57.180 I've spent time growing up and being with my mother watching the fireworks on the shore 01:59:58.060 --> 02:00:05.100 It's where we went for field trip in third grade to the top of white house where I chained out and went down halfway through 02:00:06.620 --> 02:00:10.220 It's where I've walked around with my father and spent time with him 02:00:12.780 --> 02:00:14.380 And 02:00:14.380 --> 02:00:20.220 This place very near to my school. I've seen almost every day for 13 years straight 02:00:21.820 --> 02:00:27.820 We do not need a corporatized Disneyland. We need a place that is near and dear to us 02:00:30.220 --> 02:00:38.140 When I'm say 40 years old 30 years from now, I like a place for my kids that I had to 02:00:39.740 --> 02:00:43.020 And the fourth reason is that I heard that there's ice cream in it for me 02:00:45.740 --> 02:00:49.340 I have culvers for that and I cannot be brought by ice cream 02:00:51.180 --> 02:00:58.940 I do not want anything the strings attached and I want this to be public land that I can enjoy for my time and for my children's time 02:00:59.580 --> 02:01:01.580 Thank you 02:01:04.700 --> 02:01:06.700 I concludes the public input 02:01:07.180 --> 02:01:12.220 And it takes us to the item that is before us. This is item zero six zero nine dash two six 02:01:12.780 --> 02:01:17.500 Communication sponsored by mayor mason requesting to authorize the mayor and city clerk to enter into an agreement 02:01:17.900 --> 02:01:20.700 Relievable johnson golf group for shoreline stabilization 02:01:21.100 --> 02:01:27.420 Habitat restoration clubhouse construction and a long-term lease for the operation and maintenance of chute park 02:01:27.980 --> 02:01:29.980 Is there a motion to approve the item? 02:01:30.940 --> 02:01:33.660 So a motion by alderland to approve is there a second 02:01:34.780 --> 02:01:36.780 Second by alder pete 02:01:36.780 --> 02:01:39.740 Discussion alderland you made the motion. Did you want to speak to your motion? 02:01:41.820 --> 02:01:45.340 Yes, I'm very excited about this proposal and I 02:01:45.820 --> 02:01:48.940 Thank you for your investment in your time coming here 02:01:49.660 --> 02:01:53.100 Um when it was first brought up to us. I had a couple of 02:01:53.660 --> 02:01:55.900 Things that I had questions about 02:01:56.460 --> 02:02:02.540 Both of those questions have been answered to my satisfaction and I think this is wonderful 02:02:02.780 --> 02:02:05.420 I don't think that we have the money 02:02:06.300 --> 02:02:09.020 To take care of chute park like we should 02:02:09.900 --> 02:02:13.580 Be able to so I think that this is just a great 02:02:14.300 --> 02:02:19.580 investment for the city of racene and I support this wholeheartedly 02:02:21.820 --> 02:02:23.820 Alder man 02:02:23.820 --> 02:02:25.820 Thank you 02:02:26.060 --> 02:02:27.100 Clearly 02:02:27.100 --> 02:02:29.900 There's been a lot of give and take it appears between 02:02:30.700 --> 02:02:32.700 our first meeting 02:02:33.820 --> 02:02:39.580 And today and I'm assuming knowing the way that negotiations work 02:02:40.380 --> 02:02:42.380 Um 02:02:42.380 --> 02:02:45.180 Nobody got exactly what they wanted 02:02:46.140 --> 02:02:47.980 but um 02:02:47.980 --> 02:02:50.620 If both parties feel that it's fair 02:02:51.580 --> 02:02:54.540 Then uh, hopefully it's considered a win-win 02:02:55.420 --> 02:02:58.460 My first job at the age of 14. I was a 02:02:59.740 --> 02:03:01.740 Freshman in high school 02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:07.420 Was down the street from my home in the town of summers. It was at a golf course 02:03:07.980 --> 02:03:09.980 Petrifying springs 02:03:09.980 --> 02:03:11.980 That was a county golf course 02:03:12.540 --> 02:03:15.420 It was also considered a public park 02:03:16.540 --> 02:03:19.900 Even though they charge people to come on the golf course 02:03:20.700 --> 02:03:22.700 And play a round of golf 02:03:23.820 --> 02:03:26.860 That job taught me about responsibility 02:03:28.380 --> 02:03:30.380 Showing up on time 02:03:31.100 --> 02:03:37.100 Waking up at four in the morning so I could be there at five a.m. on saturday and sunday mornings 02:03:37.580 --> 02:03:39.580 Um 02:03:40.780 --> 02:03:46.060 Taught me how to interact with customers 02:03:47.900 --> 02:03:51.500 How to manage money because the first time I had a job 02:03:52.380 --> 02:03:54.380 and back then although the 02:03:54.780 --> 02:03:58.700 Minimum wage I think was three dollars an hour. I was only making two dollars 02:04:00.140 --> 02:04:02.380 The next year I got a raise of 10 cents 02:04:03.580 --> 02:04:05.580 and at some point they 02:04:07.580 --> 02:04:10.540 Raised it up to uh to minimum wage, but it was a good job 02:04:11.500 --> 02:04:14.780 And I anticipate that young people in our community 02:04:15.580 --> 02:04:18.140 May have the same opportunity I had 02:04:19.020 --> 02:04:21.020 at uh shoe park 02:04:22.460 --> 02:04:29.020 I've golf shoe park a few years back with some friends on a saturday or an all friday afternoon 02:04:30.060 --> 02:04:32.060 We were the only ones out there 02:04:32.940 --> 02:04:37.020 It rained the night before so as one of the speakers alluded to 02:04:38.140 --> 02:04:42.780 My shoes were soaked by the time I got back to my car 02:04:44.060 --> 02:04:47.660 I didn't anticipate that but I had never golfed it before 02:04:49.580 --> 02:04:52.140 We joked that it was whistling straight south 02:04:53.180 --> 02:04:55.180 Sitting on the lake the way it was 02:04:56.220 --> 02:04:59.500 And now we have a proposal before us that will 02:05:00.460 --> 02:05:05.260 actually upgrade the park and make it uh significant 02:05:07.980 --> 02:05:09.820 There's a lot of 02:05:09.820 --> 02:05:13.660 banter back and forth in social media about shoe park 02:05:14.460 --> 02:05:16.460 That it's intended to be a public park 02:05:18.060 --> 02:05:23.660 A golf course is a public park if it's owned by a municipality 02:05:24.540 --> 02:05:29.260 We hear how we loved a picnic there, but there's no picnic tables 02:05:29.900 --> 02:05:33.980 Outside of one outside the clubhouse at shoe park. So I'm not sure 02:05:35.340 --> 02:05:37.340 Where the picnic is taking place 02:05:38.380 --> 02:05:38.860 uh 02:05:38.860 --> 02:05:43.260 I've never taken my family and put out a blanket on the eighth green and uh 02:05:44.220 --> 02:05:50.300 pulled out a sandwich and some sodas and told the grandkids hey, we're gonna have a picnic here 02:05:51.180 --> 02:05:56.540 We don't hike it. I'd be afraid of the grandkids getting hit by 02:05:57.660 --> 02:05:59.660 random golf balls 02:05:59.820 --> 02:06:02.060 my dad told me a cute story today and 02:06:02.860 --> 02:06:04.860 when he was a kid 02:06:05.020 --> 02:06:05.980 He 02:06:05.980 --> 02:06:12.860 Went down to shoe park and he didn't know what golf was and he got all excited because he uh kept finding these golf balls 02:06:13.260 --> 02:06:16.300 And he's loading up his pocket and turns out 02:06:17.100 --> 02:06:21.020 People were playing golf and he was taking golf balls that were in play 02:06:22.220 --> 02:06:23.340 um 02:06:23.340 --> 02:06:25.500 so 02:06:25.500 --> 02:06:27.100 While it would be nice to 02:06:28.140 --> 02:06:33.180 Maybe put a playground in there to maybe create a forested area 02:06:34.060 --> 02:06:36.220 I do have to remind you it was a brickyard 02:06:37.740 --> 02:06:39.740 Back, I think the 1800s 02:06:40.700 --> 02:06:43.020 um 02:06:43.020 --> 02:06:45.260 So it wasn't 02:06:45.260 --> 02:06:47.260 Park space. It wasn't green space 02:06:48.140 --> 02:06:50.140 It wasn't dunes 02:06:50.620 --> 02:06:52.780 It was kind of an industrial area 02:06:53.820 --> 02:06:55.820 And when the brickyards went away it 02:06:56.700 --> 02:06:58.700 Somebody converted it 02:06:59.420 --> 02:07:01.420 It is a golf course 02:07:02.220 --> 02:07:07.820 It has been a golf course for a very very long time 02:07:08.540 --> 02:07:10.540 If 02:07:11.980 --> 02:07:16.060 Those here on the council want it to be something else 02:07:18.380 --> 02:07:20.940 Then we have to find the money for that 02:07:22.940 --> 02:07:25.100 But I don't see that happening 02:07:26.860 --> 02:07:31.420 Whether the Johnson leopold group or the city 02:07:32.300 --> 02:07:34.300 It 02:07:34.300 --> 02:07:39.340 Maintains it it will be a golf course for quite a while 02:07:40.620 --> 02:07:42.620 If we maintain it 02:07:43.580 --> 02:07:45.580 I don't anticipate it being 02:07:46.540 --> 02:07:50.940 A well maintained course and that's just the facts and the reality 02:07:51.900 --> 02:07:53.900 That we're dealing with 02:07:57.740 --> 02:07:59.740 We have a family 02:08:01.900 --> 02:08:03.900 That's investing their money 02:08:03.900 --> 02:08:07.340 Whether or not they've created an LLC or corporate 02:08:07.900 --> 02:08:13.900 I don't see this as a corporate takeover of a municipal park 02:08:15.260 --> 02:08:17.100 It's a family 02:08:17.100 --> 02:08:19.820 From what I understand mr. leopold is passionate 02:08:21.100 --> 02:08:23.100 about golf 02:08:23.820 --> 02:08:25.820 And he can afford to 02:08:27.820 --> 02:08:29.820 Invest 02:08:29.820 --> 02:08:32.940 In upgrading a beautiful park 02:08:34.460 --> 02:08:36.460 That we have 02:08:38.140 --> 02:08:40.140 He is 02:08:40.140 --> 02:08:43.180 Replacing infrastructure that we don't have the dollars for 02:08:46.300 --> 02:08:49.740 The shoreline will still need to be protected. We don't have the dollars for that 02:08:51.740 --> 02:08:52.860 I 02:08:52.860 --> 02:08:54.860 Used to take my grandson down there 02:08:55.820 --> 02:09:00.940 Three years old and we'd go looking for rocks down on the beach 02:09:01.740 --> 02:09:03.740 Right there by the parking lot 02:09:03.980 --> 02:09:07.180 We'd go down those rickety old stairs. You weren't supposed to go down 02:09:08.460 --> 02:09:10.460 And he'd load up his pocket and 02:09:11.420 --> 02:09:18.620 I am not going to vote for anything that is going to take that experience away from other grandchildren or other children 02:09:19.260 --> 02:09:24.940 In fact, the last time I went down there it was not very attractive 02:09:26.860 --> 02:09:30.460 It wasn't maintained there were trees and things all over the place 02:09:32.220 --> 02:09:34.220 And so 02:09:35.900 --> 02:09:37.900 We have an investment in the shoreline 02:09:38.860 --> 02:09:40.860 We have a parking lot that 02:09:42.060 --> 02:09:44.060 Is 02:09:44.700 --> 02:09:46.700 In desperate need of repair 02:09:47.340 --> 02:09:49.340 We don't have the money to do that 02:09:51.740 --> 02:09:54.300 We have a clubhouse that's in desperate need of repair 02:09:55.500 --> 02:09:57.500 We don't have the money to do that 02:09:58.620 --> 02:10:01.580 We have a maintenance shed that's in desperate need of repair 02:10:02.540 --> 02:10:04.540 We don't have the money to do that 02:10:05.660 --> 02:10:07.660 We have to build a fire station 02:10:08.620 --> 02:10:10.620 We have to build a police station 02:10:11.420 --> 02:10:14.140 We're building a community center and a health center 02:10:17.580 --> 02:10:23.660 We don't have the money to invest in our park in the village of windpoint 02:10:25.580 --> 02:10:28.300 And yet we have a responsibility for that 02:10:32.780 --> 02:10:39.260 Whether or not the johnson leopold family pulls out in 10 years or 50 years 02:10:39.500 --> 02:10:45.580 We have an investment if after 10 years they say we're walking away from that 02:10:45.580 --> 02:10:47.420 I don't anticipate that will happen 02:10:48.620 --> 02:10:50.620 But we never know 02:10:51.340 --> 02:10:55.580 That's 10 years that we don't have to put money into shoe park 02:10:58.540 --> 02:11:02.060 10 years that we don't have to put maintenance dollars into the park 02:11:03.260 --> 02:11:05.260 Because they will be 02:11:05.660 --> 02:11:07.660 maintaining it 02:11:08.460 --> 02:11:10.460 They'll be cutting the grass 02:11:10.620 --> 02:11:12.620 They'll be paying the water bills 02:11:12.860 --> 02:11:14.860 They'll be fertilizing it 02:11:17.100 --> 02:11:19.100 And they're the ones taking the risk on it 02:11:21.260 --> 02:11:25.260 I think both mr. leopold and miss johnson have both indicated 02:11:26.700 --> 02:11:29.100 They don't see this as a cash cow 02:11:30.860 --> 02:11:32.860 This isn't something that they're going to 02:11:34.540 --> 02:11:36.540 Make a lot of money off of 02:11:38.140 --> 02:11:43.580 They're doing it because that family has cared for this community for five generations 02:11:45.900 --> 02:11:48.860 Going back to sc johnson the founder 02:11:50.460 --> 02:11:52.460 hf johnson 02:11:53.420 --> 02:11:56.140 Senior who I think started the community foundation 02:11:58.460 --> 02:12:05.580 Generation after generation has invested back into this community and they've called it home 02:12:07.660 --> 02:12:11.100 Dedicated golfers 02:12:13.500 --> 02:12:15.980 Who enjoy the game of golf who live here 02:12:16.940 --> 02:12:19.980 Are going to realize that at $24 02:12:21.100 --> 02:12:25.580 Or at the highest nine hole golf rate at johnson park 02:12:26.700 --> 02:12:28.940 Playing a golf course of this caliber 02:12:30.700 --> 02:12:32.700 Is going to be a bargain 02:12:32.700 --> 02:12:39.500 Will a person like me who plays once every 10 years 02:12:40.780 --> 02:12:43.900 Want to challenge myself to playing at shoot park 02:12:46.300 --> 02:12:48.300 Probably not 02:12:49.420 --> 02:12:54.780 I can go to johnson park or washington park or ice grove 02:12:56.300 --> 02:13:00.620 But on the other hand, I wouldn't mind trying it just to see what it's like 02:13:01.420 --> 02:13:03.900 What are the intangible benefits 02:13:05.980 --> 02:13:09.340 Of having this investment in this golf course 02:13:10.620 --> 02:13:12.620 tourism 02:13:14.780 --> 02:13:16.780 People coming into the community 02:13:18.060 --> 02:13:21.180 They could stay at one of win points finest hotels 02:13:22.380 --> 02:13:25.820 Oh, wait a minute. I don't think win point has a hotel 02:13:27.340 --> 02:13:29.340 But they could stay at the verdant 02:13:30.300 --> 02:13:32.460 Or 02:13:32.460 --> 02:13:35.020 The other hotels in the area 02:13:35.740 --> 02:13:38.220 They could come downtown and take in our beautiful 02:13:39.340 --> 02:13:41.420 Lake front eat at one of our fine restaurants 02:13:43.020 --> 02:13:48.940 Go shop at dimples or some of the other fine stores that we have here before they head back out 02:13:50.460 --> 02:13:54.540 And hit another golf course on their week long expedition 02:13:59.980 --> 02:14:01.660 This 02:14:01.660 --> 02:14:04.380 Is a win-win for the city of racine 02:14:06.380 --> 02:14:10.300 And I would encourage each and every one of you to think long 02:14:11.580 --> 02:14:17.420 And hard about it, but I would encourage you to support this proposal 02:14:20.380 --> 02:14:22.380 We talk about 02:14:23.100 --> 02:14:25.660 The deficit the structural deficit we have 02:14:26.460 --> 02:14:29.900 We talk about the difficult budget that we're going to face 02:14:30.940 --> 02:14:33.420 In october when we begin negotiating 02:14:35.900 --> 02:14:39.500 This will be one item that we won't have to worry about 02:14:41.500 --> 02:14:42.940 And 02:14:42.940 --> 02:14:49.100 To have a world-class golf course in our backyard that we own 02:14:49.260 --> 02:14:58.860 When it's all said and done we the city of racine will own that golf course 02:14:59.980 --> 02:15:01.980 That's a positive thing. Thank you 02:15:06.540 --> 02:15:10.460 Uh, thank you a shoe park is one of the first 02:15:11.260 --> 02:15:13.260 I 02:15:15.740 --> 02:15:21.340 Was the first golf course that I played on when I first moved to a racine 02:15:22.140 --> 02:15:26.380 And I used to take my kid down there many years ago 02:15:27.020 --> 02:15:29.020 And I have noticed 02:15:29.020 --> 02:15:32.300 The your your chirration on the water 02:15:33.020 --> 02:15:34.300 Part 02:15:34.300 --> 02:15:39.420 I've noticed the trees of course I used to live on that side of the area of town 02:15:39.980 --> 02:15:43.580 So I've been in a few of the windstorms over time 02:15:44.140 --> 02:15:50.460 So I've seen what the trees have done down there and I understand what we've talked about tonight 02:15:50.700 --> 02:15:56.060 I've heard from both sides and everyone I think has answered great questions 02:15:56.700 --> 02:16:01.420 I think we've listened to each other and I think it's good for this 02:16:02.060 --> 02:16:06.620 City of racine who not only in the audience because I think the audience 02:16:07.580 --> 02:16:12.300 I explained their slides. I think our colleagues did a great job 02:16:13.100 --> 02:16:19.180 Expressing their their comments as well as answering the key questions 02:16:20.220 --> 02:16:23.180 I should have hit the button before all the Mac did 02:16:23.660 --> 02:16:28.300 But I totally agree with what he said and I think again 02:16:29.100 --> 02:16:33.100 I think everyone in the room because I think we did a great job of communication 02:16:33.500 --> 02:16:36.460 And but if we can't communicate with each other 02:16:37.180 --> 02:16:41.260 Accomplishing anything will be a great challenge. Thank you 02:16:46.940 --> 02:16:51.180 I ended up turning it off because all of my notes, I think all their mac red 02:16:53.740 --> 02:17:00.140 I just I just wanted to say that I appreciate every single person that emailed every single person that spoke 02:17:00.540 --> 02:17:02.620 the last several meetings both sides 02:17:03.340 --> 02:17:05.820 The willingness to hear each other 02:17:06.700 --> 02:17:12.540 There and I agree that there just seem to be so many benefits and I know some of the things that people feel like we're losing 02:17:13.180 --> 02:17:17.660 I don't think we're losing them when I think about the students that I serve 02:17:18.140 --> 02:17:24.220 I want them to be able to practice on a really nice place. I want them to have that community on a really nice setting 02:17:24.380 --> 02:17:26.380 I don't think it has to be one or the other 02:17:26.860 --> 02:17:30.620 I I had elementary kids who watched 02:17:31.420 --> 02:17:36.860 Buildings and grounds come in and put sod down in front of their school and they were so excited to have nice grass 02:17:37.580 --> 02:17:40.700 All of our students should be able to go someplace really nice 02:17:41.100 --> 02:17:46.860 And practice and enjoy the game of golf and walk on a path and be on a beautiful space on the lake 02:17:47.260 --> 02:17:49.820 And if I'm going to trust a family to do it right 02:17:50.620 --> 02:17:55.500 It's going to be a family that has invested in my community since I've been a little girl 02:17:56.540 --> 02:18:02.060 Lived here my whole entire life watch them bring mental health into schools watch them hold community forums 02:18:02.780 --> 02:18:10.140 I'm going to trust this family and I appreciate their willingness to listen to the environmental impacts to answer questions to meet with people 02:18:10.860 --> 02:18:18.220 So I think there are so many benefits when I think of scholarships for students and the investment and I I don't think it has to be either or 02:18:19.100 --> 02:18:23.820 I think we can still keep the community part of shoot park and the things that people love 02:18:24.540 --> 02:18:27.980 And upgrade and and make it beautiful for everybody 02:18:30.220 --> 02:18:32.220 I'll be joining team. Thank you 02:18:32.620 --> 02:18:33.660 um 02:18:33.660 --> 02:18:35.660 You know, this is uh 02:18:35.820 --> 02:18:39.180 This was something that would be very transparent when it was first presented 02:18:39.820 --> 02:18:43.900 Um, I was a bit apprehensive to I was very concerned 02:18:44.460 --> 02:18:49.340 Uh with how it will remain affordable for Racine residents because it is 02:18:49.900 --> 02:18:52.460 A park that is owned by the city of Racine 02:18:53.420 --> 02:18:57.500 And so, um, it was something that I was following very very closely 02:18:58.300 --> 02:19:00.620 on on how this would be able to be 02:19:01.900 --> 02:19:05.420 uh remaining an affordable course for the the city of Racine residents 02:19:06.460 --> 02:19:11.580 And so by tying it to another one of our municipal golf courses, I really do feel like that does 02:19:12.060 --> 02:19:14.060 Remove a lot of my apprehension 02:19:14.860 --> 02:19:18.860 That this would become wildly inexpensive for for city residents 02:19:19.500 --> 02:19:25.020 Uh, I think there's been a lot of discussion on you know windpoint and windpoint residents 02:19:25.820 --> 02:19:28.620 I don't live in windpoint. I don't represent windpoint 02:19:29.100 --> 02:19:36.620 Um, I can only go off of what their elected representatives have done and they adopted it their portion of it unanimously 02:19:37.500 --> 02:19:38.460 Um 02:19:38.460 --> 02:19:40.540 So uh to be totally transparent 02:19:40.540 --> 02:19:45.100 I was looking at it through the lens of what my job was which is to represent the fifth district and 02:19:45.580 --> 02:19:49.740 the city of Racine residents who would elect us and myself to be here 02:19:50.780 --> 02:19:51.900 And so 02:19:51.900 --> 02:19:53.980 I really spent a lot of time thinking about it 02:19:54.300 --> 02:19:58.700 It's been it was funny everyone brought up their kids and bringing their kids there. I have a daughter 02:19:58.780 --> 02:20:00.940 She's 15 months. Her name is Bonnie 02:20:00.940 --> 02:20:04.060 Uh, and we brought her there not too long ago 02:20:04.700 --> 02:20:07.260 Uh, and we tried to go down by the the lake shore 02:20:08.060 --> 02:20:10.860 But it was hard to get to you couldn't go over your fire. There were down trees 02:20:11.340 --> 02:20:18.700 Uh, and so actually I ended up uh taking her back up to the shore while my wife and some friends that were in from out of town 02:20:19.100 --> 02:20:20.380 stayed down there 02:20:20.380 --> 02:20:22.940 Uh, and so we were up waiting on the shore 02:20:23.740 --> 02:20:29.100 My daughter and I got to thinking about it of you know in in 10 years, uh, you know where 02:20:30.060 --> 02:20:31.740 Well, how what do I want to bring her to? 02:20:32.380 --> 02:20:38.220 Uh, do I want to say you know taking her through there and I was on the council and we had an opportunity to do this 02:20:38.300 --> 02:20:42.460 But we chose not to and there used to be a parking lot there, but it's fallen into the lake 02:20:42.940 --> 02:20:44.300 There used to be a clubhouse there 02:20:44.300 --> 02:20:48.140 We had to tear it down because we couldn't afford to repair it so now there's no clubhouse 02:20:48.700 --> 02:20:55.420 Uh, or do I want to be able to take her somewhere and say, uh, you know, this is one of the top golf courses in the country 02:20:55.420 --> 02:20:57.420 It's very expensive to play here 02:20:57.660 --> 02:21:02.460 Uh, but this we get to play here for a reduced rate because this is a city of Racine park 02:21:02.540 --> 02:21:08.940 It's one of the benefits of living in Racine as you'll be able to golf there for an extremely reduced rate 02:21:09.820 --> 02:21:13.420 And I I think that was was really one of the things that I 02:21:14.140 --> 02:21:17.980 I think that we could be proud of that move to the city of Racine 02:21:18.060 --> 02:21:25.820 We have a world-class golf course that you can golf for for $24 or $35 or whatever, uh, Washington park is set at 02:21:26.540 --> 02:21:29.500 Which while I I'm not a golfer myself. So I just want to clarify that 02:21:29.740 --> 02:21:36.300 Well, I've been told Washington park is a very nice golf course. Uh, I it's not described as one of the top in the country 02:21:36.860 --> 02:21:39.820 Uh, and so if this has the opportunity to do so 02:21:41.100 --> 02:21:45.660 Uh, that's a great asset. The only thing that I did kind of catch my ear 02:21:46.140 --> 02:21:51.660 Um, it was brought up tonight of there may be some appetite from the business community to put forward something so that 02:21:52.060 --> 02:21:57.500 Um, younger children that are just starting out would maybe be able to have some kind of fun set aside for 02:21:58.060 --> 02:22:04.060 Um, children who live in the city of Racine to golf there, uh, and have some of that fun to cover it or all of it 02:22:04.780 --> 02:22:06.780 Uh, there is a week still 02:22:06.780 --> 02:22:12.380 Between final approval for this so this comes back on on tuesday of next week of when that would be coming back 02:22:12.860 --> 02:22:16.460 Uh, I think that's a decent amount of time to maybe get something 02:22:16.540 --> 02:22:19.340 I think it would be fantastic if when this came back in a week 02:22:19.820 --> 02:22:25.500 There was, uh, the start of a proposal to it of in addition to all of the things that we're working on now 02:22:25.980 --> 02:22:31.180 Um, this would be what the the business community and the city has come forward with as well in addition to it 02:22:31.660 --> 02:22:32.860 Um 02:22:32.860 --> 02:22:34.700 I just feel like that would be 02:22:34.700 --> 02:22:36.700 Really kind of cementing it that 02:22:37.420 --> 02:22:41.020 It's truly accessible for all city ever seen residents 02:22:41.660 --> 02:22:44.060 And that it would be something that they would be able to 02:22:45.180 --> 02:22:49.180 Effectively guarantee that you'd be able to do that whether you were just starting out 02:22:49.340 --> 02:22:54.860 Um learning to golf, uh, there you're a resident, uh, and you've been golfing there for years 02:22:54.860 --> 02:22:57.020 You'll continue to be able to afford to golf there or 02:22:57.740 --> 02:22:59.340 ideally 02:22:59.340 --> 02:23:08.060 You, uh, move to the city of Racine, uh, to enjoy one of our our world class golf course that I reduced rate among many many other benefits 02:23:08.220 --> 02:23:15.500 Uh, I I myself chose to live in Racine, uh, and and raise my family here and settle down for many other ones 02:23:15.980 --> 02:23:17.740 Uh, many other reasons 02:23:17.740 --> 02:23:21.900 And so I think this is, uh, something that we could add as another feather to our cap 02:23:22.380 --> 02:23:27.260 Uh, as one of the the amazing reasons of why to choose Racine. Thank you 02:23:29.820 --> 02:23:34.380 Any other discussion on item zero six zero nine dash two six 02:23:35.180 --> 02:23:39.020 Okay, so before we go to the vote just a reminder. We are an executive committee not full council 02:23:39.420 --> 02:23:42.860 So there are, um, six members of the executive committee myself 02:23:43.260 --> 02:23:47.260 other allen, alder harman, alder pete, alder jorgensen and alder land 02:23:47.820 --> 02:23:51.340 Um, and then after the vote this evening it will go to the full council 02:23:51.900 --> 02:23:58.780 Next tuesday the 21st at six o'clock. So for people, uh, watching at home or who might be here wondering when final passage 02:23:59.180 --> 02:24:03.660 Might occur it would be on tuesday the 21st at the full council meeting 02:24:04.220 --> 02:24:06.140 In the space that you're in today 02:24:06.140 --> 02:24:10.700 So when the clerk calls your name, uh, for executive committee members, please vote 02:24:11.420 --> 02:24:12.860 As you wish 02:24:12.860 --> 02:24:14.860 alderland 02:24:17.340 --> 02:24:19.340 Alder harman 02:24:19.580 --> 02:24:21.180 Alder pete 02:24:21.180 --> 02:24:23.180 alder jorgensen 02:24:23.180 --> 02:24:25.180 alder allen 02:24:26.380 --> 02:24:28.380 That is five eyes zero nose 02:24:30.860 --> 02:24:32.860 Alder land 02:24:33.660 --> 02:24:35.900 Thank you. That's five eyes zero nose 02:24:35.900 --> 02:24:39.580 Motion passes unanimously. This does exhaust