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Well, good evening, everyone, the hour of 545 having arrived and the finance and personnel

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committee having adjourned.

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I will now call to order the City of Racine Executive Committee.

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The first order of business is the approval of minutes for the June 18th meeting.

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Is there a motion from executive committee members to approve said meeting?

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So there's a motion and a second to approve the minutes of June 18th, 2026.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Opposed?

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That motion carries.

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Okay, so we have a number of people here to talk on.

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We have two items on the agenda tonight, one regarding an amendment to ordinance regarding nuisance properties that attorney Matt PERS will have a discussion of as we go through that item.

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And then I'm guessing most people are here to discuss the second item, which is item 0609-26.

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If you want to speak to that item, again, we'll be taking public input.

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It is up to three minutes that you can speak on an item.

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There is a clock that will count down your time.

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When your time is up, the microphones are turned off.

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That is not a reflection on the merit or lack thereof of what you're saying, but rather an effort to treat everybody equally and give everyone equal time.

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So if you have a desire to sign or to speak to the item and have not signed in, we do need people signed in on the clipboard, and so we want to be able to do that.

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So the first item is item 0307-26.

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This is a communication sponsored by Mayor Mason, presenting proposed ordinance 0001-26.

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Nuisance properties amendments, if Mr. PERS could come to the DS and describe the amended change to the nuisance property.

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Good afternoon, and thank you.

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What you have before you are some proposed changes to Chapter 66, Article 30, dealing with nuisance properties.

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Primarily, these ordinance amendments deal with the chronic nuisance premises ordinance.

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Currently, we have an ordinance which allows a code enforcement officer, which could be the Chief of Police, public health director, building director, building inspector, I apologize.

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And others to essentially move to declare a property a chronic nuisance if they have three responses or inspections within a certain time period.

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Currently, that's a three police calls within 60 days or three public health building inspection responses within 180 days.

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But the ordinances as before you is attempt to essentially consolidate efforts and clarify the process so this can go smoother.

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Primarily, there are five or six main changes.

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The big one is that there's an attempt to consolidate essentially what we count as a nuisance in terms of we have right now two different tracks.

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One deals with police calls, one deals with kind of just general code enforcement calls when we're talking about building inspection violations or public health inspection violations.

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What we're trying to do is combine this so that we don't have two tracks.

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We would be looking at three calls, whether they be police calls, whether they be building inspection calls or health calls.

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If there are three within a consolidated period of time, which is now going to be 90 days,

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that could trigger the assessment for chronic nuisance.

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Additionally, this would, this amended ordinance would permit code enforcement officers to work together and can solidate essentially their requests for abatement plans.

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The current ordinance allows, once there is a chronic nuisance designated for the property owner to submit an abatement plan,

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which details how they're going to fix the problem.

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This, because we have two different tracks, causes some problems and could result in, for example, one abatement plan going to the police department,

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one abatement plan going to the health department, and we have these two different abatement plans with two different code enforcement officers that are assessing essentially whether that's been satisfied or not.

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This proposed ordinance consolidates that so that the code enforcement officers could designate one individual to essentially oversee that abatement plan.

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Additionally, this ordinance adds the authority for the city attorney's office to pursue other abatement, I'm sorry, other nuisance measures in circuit court.

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There are attempts to declare essentially a property, a nuisance and state court that we can do.

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We don't have to just do it through our administrative process.

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Additionally, we can seek receivership of certain properties in state court.

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If there is an issue where it just is not being resolved and we need to get someone in there to try to address that matter,

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get somebody who's responsible and responsive to get into that property and to deal with it,

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there is a mechanism in state court that we could potentially pursue.

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Fourth, this process, this proposed ordinance would fine tune the appeal process.

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The current appeal process is there, it's fine, but it's not really clear in terms of what is being appealed and when.

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The language in this ordinance, depending on where one is in the stages of the abatement process or through the chronic nuisance designation,

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clarifies when something can be appealed and what will be discussed at that appeal to give further direction to the due process board.

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There is also clarification in terms of what stages people can appeal at.

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There is furthermore some latitude that's given to the due process board if they cannot meet within a certain time period,

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so they can make sure they can have a quorum to hear that matter without the matter being dismissed.

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And finally, there are deadlines that are essentially amended for the code enforcement officer to again give them some flexibility in responding throughout this process to the abatement plan

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and the actions that the property owner wants to take, it empowers the code enforcement officers to make some additional,

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have some flexibility in coming to resolutions on these matters.

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If you have any additional questions, I'm here to try to answer any question.

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Any questions for attorney birds?

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Seeing none at this time, I would entertain a motion to approve item 0307-26 and up to amend ordinance under item 0001-26.

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Alders, Wilkinson.

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Yeah, so I think this is one of the areas that I probably get the most emails and phone calls and text messages about of chronic nuisance properties.

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So the idea that we'll combine two processes to make it so that things don't fall out and that it's easier to keep it on track to make sure that nuisance properties are being handled correctly,

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I would move to approve.

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There's a motion to approve this item second by alder land.

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Any further discussion on this item?

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Seeing none, all those in favor please say aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries and we'll be referred to the next city council meeting.

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Moving on now is item 0609-26.

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There is a video that I believe we wanted to pull out for the beginning of this conversation.

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If I could ask representatives of the Leopold Johnson Gulf Group to approach the DS for this presentation,

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that would be appropriate at this time.

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And do you want us to play the video first?

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Please.

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If I could ask IT to play the video.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Appreciate that very much.

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Council members, thank you for having me this evening.

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A few words I'd like to share with you.

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I'll be open for any questions that you may have, anything that I can then talk about.

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Our lease has been negotiated with the city and are we happy with it?

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Yes.

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Was it moments of pain?

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Yes.

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But I think that we have a lease that is a win-win for all parties.

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So I thought with your permission, I would back up just a little bit because I know we have a number of new council members

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that may not have heard the last time I was here, which was, you know, six, nine months ago to talk about the vision that Kaiser and Helen and I have on this property.

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As many of you may know, Helen and I have lived in the city for, well, me 40 years, Helen forever.

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I'm glad she's not here and didn't hear me say that.

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But we drive by shoe park every day, every single day, usually twice a day on the way to work and on the way home.

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And it is the most iconic, beautiful, spectacular piece of golf course that I have ever seen.

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But it needs, it needs work.

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And the more we would drive by there, and over a particular of the last 20 years,

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there are so many things that we would love to do to enhance this both for the city of Racine

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and the city of Windpoint, and we would love to do that.

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So about a year and a half ago, I went and met with the mayor and shared with him our vision that we would like to do this,

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thinking that no one's ever approached the city with this kind of idea.

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And little behold did he say that he's had another group come in a couple of months ago and was interested.

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And as I shared with people, I immediately thought, oh boy, he's negotiating right away for the best deal possible

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that I'm already going to be negotiating against another group.

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Well, as it turns out, there was another group, and it was a group called the Kaiser Group,

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and they are a well-known, and as soon as he told me it was the Kaiser Group,

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there is no better golf developer or protector of the environment than the Kaiser Group.

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They have golf courses all over the United States, and they are a Wisconsin Midwestern,

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headquartered family company with the same kind of vision and culture and belief in

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the environment and the birds and the trees and that we do.

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And I have a representative of the Kaiser Group here today, and his name is Craig Haltem. Craig is right here.

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Craig is the person who designed and the architect for the five courses that are up at Sand Valley.

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In fact, we spent the day up at Sand Valley today on the hottest day of the year driving around the golf courses

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and taking a look at what Sand Valley looks like and everything, not just about the golf course,

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but also about the clubhouse and the cafe and because they are so large with so many courses,

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they have a lot of different of these buildings.

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And so we took a lot of pictures, designed a lot of things, and we came away with, you know,

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even being more excited about this project than we ever have been.

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So what I'd like to do is share with you, I guess, some of the thoughts that we have in our development of this course,

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and I'd be more than willing to answer any questions you may have.

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So after being introduced to the Kaiser Group, we got together and said, let's just join forces.

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They have the vision for this incredible acreage on Lake Michigan.

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We had the, for lack of a better word, frankly, the financial situation that we wanted to do this.

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And so we had a win-win.

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And the Kaiser, their role in this will be to be completely working on the project itself,

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moving the land, bringing in Sand, also helping with bringing in all the rocks that we'll have for the revetment of the shoreline.

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They're going to be, and they have been already designing the holes of how they see this going.

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At one time, you may have heard that it was a 12-hole golf course.

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And frankly, I was one of the few people that was really kind of excited about the 12-hole golf course.

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So about five months ago, we were, we, Mike Kaiser of the Kaiser Group, was in town,

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and we, we walked the entire golf course, all 12 holes at the time.

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And we got done with the 12-hole, and he said, okay, here's my thoughts.

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He said, it is even better than I ever thought it would be.

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This is an unbelievable piece of property with a spectacular view of Lake Michigan.

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We can make this into one of the greatest nine-hole golf courses in the world.

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And he can say that with some credibility, because he's got one of the nine-hole golf courses of the top ten that he has already on the list.

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And he says, you won't be, you'll probably, the best you'll be is number four, we're number three.

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The best you can be is number four.

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And he said, let me tell you, there are no best 12-hole golf courses in the world.

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So if you want to be the best 12-hole golf course, you'll be by yourself, likely, or a few people, but I really recommend making this a nine-hole course.

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And everyone in the United States, everyone will recognize this as a go-to golf course.

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Our dream is, and it's his dream as well, Mike Kaiser, is that we fall under their umbrella of dream courses.

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And the Kaiser group, if you're in there, they're all, they're only, they're golf courses.

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And as an example, we were up at Sand Valley.

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They have five unbelievably great golf courses.

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If you want to get a tee time, you have to, for next year, you have to call now.

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And because there are no more tee times left for the rest of the year, that's how many people are using that.

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A thousand people a day, they had, like, last week, their biggest day ever, a thousand golfers in a day.

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Now, that's not our vision, but it only shows what can happen if something really special.

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And those people are going to be driving through the City of Racine, and hopefully staying at hotels in the City of Racine.

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They're likely coming up from Chicago. They're on their way to Kohler, or they're on their way to Sand Valley.

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This is that halfway point. They can come in here, play golf in the morning, sleep at a hotel, come and play golf in the afternoon,

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and then go to Kohler or Sand Valley to complete their weekend of golf.

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So that's kind of the vision that we have.

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And we are so ready to go.

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This project has been a very complex project, because we first had to go to Windpoint, because we wanted, if you've been,

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I'm sure you have, if you've been out to Shoe Park, the golf course takes some beautiful property on the lake is the parking lot.

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We wanted to move the parking lot off the lake so that we could use that as part of the golf course.

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And the only place we could put that would be over in the Windpoint property where the lighthouse, north of the lighthouse.

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So that's why we had to go to Windpoint first.

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And when we first started talking to Windpoint, they have seven members.

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If I were to guess at that first meeting, if we had a vote, it would have been two, four and five against.

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But as we went through the process to explain what we were doing, and their interest, although their vote was really about the parking lot,

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they were only interested in the golf course.

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They wanted, every question was about the golf course.

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And the last vote that we had, the one that mattered, the only real vote we ever took, it was 7-0, so it was unanimous.

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And we walked away going, oh my God, who would have thought it was going to be 7-0?

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We walked into that meeting room, honestly not knowing which way it would go.

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So we were very, very excited about getting that approved.

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We are working with the DNR and the Corps of Engineers, because one of the major projects that we are going to have is the shoreline revetment.

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And this is a very costly part of what we are going to provide to this space.

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But it's just a matter of time before the shoreline falls in, even though the lake is down right now,

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which is wonderful, we are actually getting beaches back, which is great.

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But it's the cycle, and I live on the lake, so I know.

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And I had to buy a ton of, like many, many tons of rock stones to put in.

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And we will do the same thing for the shoreline.

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So the golf course, including the greens, the tea boxes and the sand traps, the irrigation system,

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the water drainage system that will drain the water that when you drive by and after a rain,

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the course can barely be open.

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It takes two days for the rain to drain and usually drain out to the lake.

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We will fix the water system so it drains to the lake.

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We will do substantial improvements to the clubhouse.

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We're going to tear the clubhouse down that is there right now.

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We're going to move it over by the lighthouse, where the parking lot will be north of the lighthouse.

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And then people will, so it would be on the very northeast corner of the property of Shoe Park is going to be where the clubhouse will be.

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The clubhouse architecture and the painting of the clubhouse, the design is going to match what's going on with the property there right now,

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which is all white with the red roof.

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And what I say red, whatever the color is, it's close to red, and that's what we're going to do.

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So we're really, really excited about doing that.

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We know that the city has higher priorities than to invest money into Shoe Park.

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And it's just a matter of time before the building falls down.

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I mean, if you've seen the parking lot, it needs fixing.

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We will fix all of that before it opens up as the new golf course.

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There's been a lot of conjecture about what we're going to do.

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We are not going to cut down all the trees, particularly after today, going to Sand Valley.

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There are a lot of trees in Sand Valley.

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It is a dune-style course, but there are a lot of trees.

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We will, and my wife, we had two dogs had a big fight last night.

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So one of them had to go to the doctor, and so she's not here today tonight.

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But I was going to say, my wife is the alpha dog of our house.

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And she is a very much a bird watcher and an environmentalist, as am I, but people know them a lot better than they know me.

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And she is, she just wants you to know that she will protect the birds and the trees.

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And at the same time, have a wonderful spectacular golf course.

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This will be 100% financed with private financing.

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So we, as we have stated, and it's in our lease, we plan to spend at least $10 million

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and completely redoing this golf course and everything about the golf course.

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So we're not asking for any public money.

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It will be a 50-year lease.

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And we're excited about that.

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We can plan ahead.

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We can invest that kind of money knowing that we'll be there for 50 years.

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Every 10 years, there'll be a check-in to make sure that we're doing everything as we were supposed to be doing.

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And so it's not like we have it for 50 years and the city will come back in and talk to us after 50 years.

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It will not be that way.

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So the clubhouse will have a cafe and, you know, light food, burgers, brats, hot dogs, things like that.

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Likely open breakfast and lunch.

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It will have a substantial deck that will look out to Lake Michigan.

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It's open to everybody.

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It's open to people who want to go to the lighthouse and just see what's going on.

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We will have a very large public putting green that will be open to anybody who wants to come and just have fun.

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And, you know, if your kids are two and a half years old and you want them to see what puttings like, bring them on out.

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We'll have ice cream and, you know, these putting greens and they've got them at Sand Valley right now are, they're huge.

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They're huge.

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And the whole thing is they get kids out there and have fun and enjoy it.

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So, you know, we're going to do that.

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That will be right on the lake and, you know, it will be more than just a golf course for people who are dying to play golf.

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So, we are confident that by doing this, we are going to generate a lot of guests, a lot of visitors to our city.

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And, you know, we think it's a win-win for all the communities around Racine, including Racine, for the golfers and for the non-golfers.

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So, that's what I've got.

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I just wanted to share what our vision was.

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If you have any questions for me or the architect, Craig Halton.

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I've got two Craig's here.

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And I can answer any question that you may have on either the lease or any other questions you might have.

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All of their Allen does have her name in the queue.

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Did you have questions for.

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Okay, go ahead.

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Yes.

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Before I begin, thank you so much.

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One moment.

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The questions I have, reflect our last meeting.

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Am I able to ask those questions because I do need those answers now.

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Yeah, I guess take to clarify all their Allen if you have we'll get into general discussion

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And if there's a point at which you want to direct questions to city staff or the city attorney

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We could do that at a later point

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But if you want to address questions to mr. Leopold now it's directly about his proposal. Yeah, then go right ahead. All right

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Thank you, so thank you so much for

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Giving us that overview. I can see that you're very excited about it and we are always

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Excited to hear about people who want to come into Racine and and invest in our community

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I we sit in a unique space here in Racine as the common council because we recognize

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That for Racine to continue in a sustainable manner

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We do need to introduce revenue

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Into our city in order to continue to be a thriving

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municipality that being said

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Also, I I for one enjoy the golf circuit and

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And can recognize, you know people who enjoy that same space. Mm-hmm. However

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shoe park being what it is to the city every scene when you when you give your proposal

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I believe that language matters and your enthusiasm for

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The golf course comes across

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However, I don't feel that the city as itself can see themselves in your proposal

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It is a public park and in your description, you're talking about a nine-hole

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Massive redo of it you're moving our parking lot. I myself having walked through there just recently

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I'm trying to envision a comfortable way that a person who is not interested. I heard you at the very last moment

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Introduce what someone who might want to do bring your kids to

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The open putting green, but we have people that come there for other reasons, right?

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And so if the entire space of 52 acres is

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Used for the golf course, I don't know how

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The lone person who wants to walk through there and enjoy just the views or something

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I'm paramedic, you know, I'm just would be able to do that comfortably the other thing it in your proposal you lead with

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The green fees for people who are going to

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Participate as a you know golfer you say $24 for two years

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I believe that is not serving our community. Well, I believe that since it's going to be in

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Racing it should be in

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Perpetuity

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I have a number of other concerns about our involvement

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Over the ten years and that you have this moment at the ten year mark where you can

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Opt to not continue that that could be a financial liability to the city of Racine and in the next ten years

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We really do have to be looking at how we secure our

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Our our revenue base at that time not at the possibility of taking on, you know, additional financial liability

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And then the other thing that is near and dear because I do have 13 of these points is

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any relationship with

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Job opportunities employment opportunities for the people who live here in Racine that includes our our students

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I mentioned this at the meeting. I didn't see anything about it

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And I'm not talking about something that happens after the fact five years in and I'm speaking as a marketing professional

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And as a business professional right and and for those of you who are in the audience listening

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I am a member of the citizens climate lobby and I'm a very much an environmentalist. I'm also from California

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so I'm a complete nerd and

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So what I'm saying is that I don't hear much that speaks to the city's core values

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I don't see anything supporting the Racine Advisory School District or others

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I don't see employment path for people including our children. I don't see the ability of

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The city every scene in our parks department to be able to utilize any of that space for our own booking

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There's a lot of open blank spaces that I'm looking to see filled

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Mr. Leopold did you thank you no, thank you very much that

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Let me see if I can address a couple of those

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one of them which a question that comes up a lot is is the green fees and

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That was probably the one item that that we have

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Discomfort with and the most negotiations with the city

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a nine what what we're going to build

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will be a

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Iconic golf course a difference maker

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so as you as you

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Thinking about more employment and

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Greater taxes and more people coming into receipt

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You know if if it's the same old shoe park that doesn't generate anything

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The revenue of shoe park completely for one year was a hundred thousand dollars. That's what it was for last year

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It doesn't it just doesn't generate any of the things that you were just talking about

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What what we do believe is that when you have a

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successful

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business of any kind that brings in people into that business

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it's going to be a win win for a

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lot of other people who are touched by all the people who are coming in and

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Think that certainly came loud and clear through this the little city that we were in today

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We're sand valleys now located were ten years. There was no golf course today. How many people do you employ up there?

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Largest employer in the county a thousand people I think is what I heard so

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you know with that kind of of

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With the kind of vision that we have we're not going to say we're employee a thousand count at the thousand people

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But we're going to have a lot more people

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being employed at better jobs

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Then are being employed right now

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I have somebody else in the queue all dirt and we can come back to you for a second time

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other drugs

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Thank you. I just had a couple questions, but if we can go one at a time

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I think the biggest one is

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I've heard from a lot of folks and seen from a lot of folks that they they feel this is privatizing this course

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I'm wondering if you could kind of detail in your mind how this is different from what would just be a privatized course

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Really how it maintains the public park atmosphere

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With a partnership to it. Yeah, good good question, and there's I think there's a really

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Comp that I can use which is a received country club. It's a private club now

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It was bought by a gentleman who used to be a member. His name is mr. Balder. He owns the course

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We are going to be leasing the course from the city

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We have restrictions on us that we are going to need to abide by

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There are things that we're going to need to do in order to to to meet the goals that the city has

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We're also paying a

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You know a lease to the city

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So, you know that would be

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Really almost amounting to a hundred thousand dollars a year, which which is a lease payment versus what's going on now

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Which is the full revenue? It's the only revenue of the

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Of the golf course

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We don't have we don't have the ability to make it a private course can't do that we wouldn't want to do it

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Anyway

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And we don't have the ability frankly to after this is done. We can't make and do a 12-hole golf course

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We can't make it in you know, we can't put a driving range in

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So there are you know, there are restrictions that we that the city has negotiated into this contract that we

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Will abide to and and we don't have a problem with any of the restrictions, so we're not going to try to get around anything

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Thank you, and the other question I had to is I know one when you talked about the

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public places and public spaces in it

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I talked about the clubhouse and the cafe and the putting green

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But in the video and I think in our past conversation too

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There was a lot of discussion around what would be the new beach area and the trail

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I'm wondering if you can kind of detail what your vision is for yeah for those items. Yeah, thank you

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That's again. It's there's there's so many things that I could talk about

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And and that is a that is an important part of this course and a lot of questions

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came up with the mayor and

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What we have committed to is that we are going to keep the the we will maintain and keep open the beach area

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So that people can walk their dogs walk their kids like you saw in the picture walk down and walk as far as they

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Can get until the water stops them

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But right now

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Right now, it's the trees that have stopped them

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It's the fallen trees that are on the beaches. They don't ever get to the part of the water

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It's the trees we have made a commitment that we will clean that up and we will keep it clean

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So that they can walk from one side of the north side of the property to the south side

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With open paths unless the water has gone up to the rocks

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Thank you, and then there was a part about a walking trail in there as well, too

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I think along the light house drive is what it said

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Yeah, we will have up on the on the on the east the west side of

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Lighthouse drive a walking trail

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It won't be a concrete or asphalt, but it will be a path that you that people can walk their dogs or just go for a walk

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And and we will have that there

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So they can go from the north to the south and then maybe loop down and come up from the shoreline

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I mean those are things that they cannot do now. It's it's not possible

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Right because the yeah, like you said that with all the down trees the beach really hasn't been accessible

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So all of that would be a new yes public beach then. Yes. Thank you. Those are the two questions ahead for now

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all their Mac

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Thank you. This truly is a unique public private partnership and uh

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a significant investment one I'm assuming is going to

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take some time to

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Repay itself. Do you have an estimate on how long that investment might

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Another great question. It will never pay itself

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Okay, period. This is not

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It's not why we're doing it. We will never get that 10 million dollars back. It's a it's an investment in our community

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That's the only way. I mean you can look at me. I like going as that guy crazy

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The fact is

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There there is not I've got financial people up on the front. There's just no way that we've ever

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Tied to depreciate the 10 million dollars. We'll never get it back

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And I I've never got the impression that you were coming in here and this somehow was going to be a cash cow

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Uh for you your family your your partnership there

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Yet we've seen a lot of

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Criticism out there on social media about out-of-town investors and your wife so eloquently pointed out that you live in the community

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She works or she runs a company downtown resine and that uh clearly not out-of-town

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investors

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I know firsthand your

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Your wife's family has a long history with environmental activism from your father-in-law

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Getting rid of chlorofluoro carbons out of aerosol cans before it was mandated

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Your brother-in-law's passion about reducing plastics in the waterway

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I used to

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Work for the county and I'd go up and see them ban the paragon falcons and your mother-in-law was sitting up there in the front row

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like a little kid as a

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brought those falcon chicks out and so

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To see or hear the comments about

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the environment the destruction of the environment there

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Park staff

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Staff said we really need to look at this as two separate projects the

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The protection of the shoreline in the golf courts itself

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Um, I have a couple questions one has to do with the hundreds of trees that are going to come down

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I drive by there often and I see this

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Stand of weed trees in the middle of the the course and it doesn't look attractive

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It looks over overgrown

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Do you have an estimate of

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How many trees might actually come on it might be at another the other craig question and

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What you're looking at to to replant there? Yeah, I those are those are good question. I'll let the other craig

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Comment on that as well, but let me say we have we have

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Hired gens Jensen who is well known in the rasein community and his grandfather

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I think was you know very an environmentalist and and a

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Tree person for lack of a better work

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Um, and he has a lot of thoughts he

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Is his main comment that the trees are that are all along the shoreline are trees that do no good

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They are not the type of trees that should be there. They fall into the lake

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They don't have the right kind of roots and there there's so much that can be done on the shoreline

428
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:57,900
um

429
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,260
Craig do you want to make any have you do you have any uh

430
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:04,540
Thoughts of how many trees

431
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:07,980
If you could come up to the microphone, please

432
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:11,660
Um, the shoreline trees are also

433
00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:18,700
One of the complications of doing the revetment is that we will have to disturb a larger area

434
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:22,540
Um, then just the the where the stones are placed

435
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:28,220
So part of the trees will be removed as part of that process and then as craig has said

436
00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:29,500
um

437
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:34,540
We are beginning to develop plans on what the right trees would be to plant in all these areas

438
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:37,180
on the point of saving trees

439
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:42,860
Um, the golf course will not be treeless and the priority that we would put is that we want to keep trees that

440
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:50,460
Protect the roadway. So there's a safety aspect to making sure the trees stay in in areas that would be important to safety

441
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:53,500
Um, there's also several specimen trees on site

442
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:59,980
That we would be looking and already have tried to accommodate in the in the various ways that we've done reroutings of the golf course

443
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,340
And there will be a tree planting plan that goes along with

444
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:05,340
um

445
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:11,020
The the plans for the golf course that makes the existing woodland across the road

446
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:16,860
Uh, much healthier a much stronger. Um, I think you said, you know, you look at that those trees now

447
00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:21,900
They might they aren't particularly attractive and they're not full of the types of trees that we think

448
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:24,380
Um, we can have thrive there

449
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:29,260
So one good way to think about the golf course and in the way it's going through

450
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:31,980
um, these types of

451
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:34,860
Environments that i'm describing is kind of a journey through

452
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:37,340
a um

453
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:44,380
A native shoreline habitat, which is largely treeless. There might be occasional specimen trees that we are keeping in certain parts of the

454
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:46,940
shoreline, but that's the native

455
00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:49,420
Habitat as it was

456
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:54,620
And then you move across the road and that's where we would focus on preserving as many specimen trees as we can

457
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,100
and developing healthier forest

458
00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:00,860
And uh, all of the trees along the property line also stay

459
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,020
So, um

460
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:08,460
While we keep those trees we can maintain clear views to the water, which is also a priority for us

461
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:11,500
So if you're looking at the chute park

462
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:14,700
Today versus what we are proposing

463
00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:18,940
It would still be recognizably a golf course that has plenty of trees

464
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:21,340
um, but the native

465
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:23,980
Habitat at the shoreline would be restored to a treeless

466
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:27,020
Links type golf courses we've described

467
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:32,620
So it it I don't know the number of trees that would go out, but by percentage

468
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,420
It's different in these different environments

469
00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:39,500
Okay, and in here again, the staff has told us that

470
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:44,300
the shoreline should be considered separately from

471
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:47,020
the golf course project because

472
00:44:47,580 --> 00:44:49,580
those trees like you

473
00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:52,220
reiterated they have to come down because of the

474
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:54,380
rivet and

475
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:56,380
Shoring up

476
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:59,420
Last time you were here, it was pointed out the type of

477
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,420
Plantings and grass will actually

478
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:08,940
Use less water and less fertilizers that's still the plan

479
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:12,220
Then what is currently used today

480
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:15,980
Yes, the I would say that they're using a minimum right now

481
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:18,940
So the golf course is maintained very responsibly right now

482
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:26,060
And what we're proposing even though as Craig said will be a world-class golf experience and very different to what you have now

483
00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:32,940
It will be maintained in the same spirit of doing the absolute minimum amount of fertilizer application chemical application

484
00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:39,820
You might be doing those things for budget purposes right now, but it also serves the the dual purpose of making a much

485
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:50,540
Environmentally friendly golf course. So a key part of that is we are converting the grasses to a type of grass that can be maintained to very high standard

486
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,100
It's a fescue grass

487
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,980
Blended possibly with some blue grasses, but a very hardy drought tolerant grass

488
00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:01,180
And the type of golf that you see in those images that we've put up

489
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:08,460
Is is characterized by dry firm conditions, which means we want to irrigate the absolute minimum

490
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:10,940
And we'd like to keep

491
00:46:11,260 --> 00:46:15,340
All inputs of all kinds to the to the absolute minimum. That's what helps the golf

492
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,340
be great

493
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:18,300
So

494
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:26,140
Okay, thank you, and then the I guess I don't know if it's a comment or if it's a question, but there's a lot of talk about the

495
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:29,900
public access to the course and

496
00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:35,180
People that have sent emails and social media have talked about how they

497
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:44,060
Currently picnic there and they walk it and they do all this and I find it hard to believe that you can walk a golf course without getting hit by a

498
00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:48,380
Flying golf ball and I'm not sure where the picnic areas are

499
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:52,220
At chute part me. It's been a while since I've golfed there

500
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:59,420
But I don't recall seeing a lot of general public coming out and enjoying the audience of those 52 acres there

501
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:04,220
No, they're the only picnic area would be by the lighthouse area

502
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:12,140
And if anything we will enhance that and and we will have picnic tables outside our

503
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:19,740
Our cafe area that would be accessible again for golfers and non golfers

504
00:47:19,820 --> 00:47:25,020
No one will ever be asked if they walk in the cafe. Are you playing golf today?

505
00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:29,020
Everybody is everybody is welcome. All right. Thank you

506
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,500
other Herman

507
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:37,340
Thank you mayor

508
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,500
I

509
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:42,460
Over the years it seems like

510
00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:46,780
more and more of the park real estate has been

511
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:53,020
Carved out for golfing and there really doesn't seem to be

512
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:57,020
an equitable property

513
00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:05,340
Division for what the park piece of it originally was supposed to be

514
00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:06,940
um

515
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:09,180
the intent of

516
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:15,820
Chute park was for there to be a park and I do under I hear you when you say that there are

517
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:19,500
Walking trails that there will be

518
00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:22,220
beach

519
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:24,220
Access where you can walk

520
00:48:24,940 --> 00:48:26,940
but walking trails and

521
00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:34,380
Having access to the beach is what we've always had we live on the lakefront

522
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:36,380
Racine is on the lakefront

523
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:38,700
We we can do the beach

524
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:44,060
The park piece of chute park is what was originally

525
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:46,300
meant for

526
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,820
Everyone so that's non golfers. That's golfers. That's people who want to

527
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:53,660
um

528
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:56,220
Sit down and put a blanket out

529
00:48:56,940 --> 00:49:01,500
Um whether they want to go to the cafe or not go to the cafe

530
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:09,180
Um, and it seems like more of the park piece of it is being lost and

531
00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:15,820
I don't think that that is what um doctor chute intended

532
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:19,980
And to be frankly honest because I used to work at sc johnson

533
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:25,340
I don't think that that's what sam johnson wanted because he created that this we believe

534
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,500
and the philosophy behind this we believe is that

535
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:36,060
Residents have access and we leave a footprint

536
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:38,300
um

537
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:43,100
We don't leave a footprint that takes away from our environment

538
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:45,420
and so

539
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:47,420
a lot of

540
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:50,620
emails and calls that I am getting from residents

541
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,100
um feel like

542
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:56,060
The desires of

543
00:49:56,060 --> 00:50:02,140
The residents when it comes to just wanting to have a place that is unique

544
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:07,100
Chute chute park is unique. Um, the park piece of it is unique

545
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:12,060
Not just the walking trails and the sand and the beaches piece of it

546
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:15,660
So I do understand that you will make the picnic

547
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:18,780
piece a little bit better

548
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:21,500
um, but that doesn't seem to

549
00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:24,060
really

550
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:26,300
Pull into

551
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:35,900
The free park that was originally intended for the people so um, I'm not I'm just trying to

552
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,820
Be the advocate for the voice of the individuals that really feel like

553
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:48,380
Non-golfing residents would like to have an equitable division of it

554
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:52,940
Not that we don't want the golf course to, um

555
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:54,780
be

556
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:56,140
Awesome

557
00:50:56,140 --> 00:51:01,580
And not that we don't want johnson's help on securing the shoreline

558
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:06,140
But there just seems like there should be an equitable

559
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:14,460
Consideration when it comes to the residents who were promised or the original philosophy of it

560
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:17,020
Was for it to forever be a park

561
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:19,740
a free park

562
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:22,140
No cost park

563
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:23,500
um

564
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:31,500
I don't so I don't know if you can speak on you you have spoke on it, but I think I I think I can and

565
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:32,940
um

566
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:35,180
actually if you if you read the

567
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:41,660
The deed that dr. Shoop gave the property to the city

568
00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:45,420
He gave it to the city to be an old man's home

569
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:48,380
That's in the deed and

570
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:49,740
um

571
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:53,580
Which another way to put it is a retirement home for

572
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:55,340
for

573
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:57,340
uh, the elderly men

574
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:00,220
But he it is it is referred to

575
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:05,180
And the reason we we joke about it the old an old man's home is what he wanted to be

576
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:12,460
And I think there might have been something in there. I um, you know if that doesn't occur then

577
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:19,020
Then then be made as a park or something like that. So I I I I apologize

578
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:24,380
I don't remember how that was but his his direct hope was that it would be an old man's home

579
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:26,860
um

580
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:31,180
We all know it's been a golf course for 50 to 70 years

581
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:33,500
um

582
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:35,500
so a long time and

583
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:37,420
um

584
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:43,420
I mean right now there are no picnic tables. No probably have there ever been except there is a table

585
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:44,860
over

586
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:46,540
over by the

587
00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:52,140
The clubhouse that people could sit out grab a beer and then sit outside and have a beer

588
00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:55,820
But it's I don't see families, you know doing picnics there

589
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:59,580
So I I understand I understand what you're saying

590
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:01,340
um

591
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:04,220
And you know our proposal obviously is that

592
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:07,180
this will be a

593
00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:08,620
more

594
00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:16,300
Family friendly environment than it is right now that I can absolutely assure you

595
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:23,900
Uh, but but it I mean I can't I can't run from the fact that it's it's a golf course

596
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:29,500
I'll do allen for the second time

597
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:36,540
Thank you. Yep. Okay. I hate to be a dead horse, but I am really looking for an answer about

598
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:41,980
the fees. Yes. No, I'm yeah, and and our USD connection

599
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:47,420
I love the fact that it is going to be a premium course

600
00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:51,580
what I'm what I see is an opportunity for us to

601
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:57,180
Introduce our youth our talented youth into

602
00:53:58,140 --> 00:54:04,140
That activity that profession that walkway as an as one of our academies for instance

603
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:08,460
I'm also looking again for that employment value

604
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:14,460
But I'm looking for that piece about the fees. Okay, you know and those were not

605
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:18,460
answered and for for me if you're at this stage of

606
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:21,100
Of your planning

607
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:25,020
Then that conversation because I didn't mention this at the meeting earlier in the year

608
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:27,580
And the response was

609
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:33,500
You know somewhere in the future. We could do that. So I'm really not looking for somewhere in the future. I'm actually looking for that to be

610
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:38,460
Mentioned as a concrete plan that working out because that's a conversation that

611
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:48,780
Would take place now and then the opportunity to unfold that would happen in the future. Okay. So I I was I was in no way trying to

612
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:54,140
Run from your question. I would have come back to it because I know that that is a very

613
00:54:54,700 --> 00:55:02,620
Important question that has that has risen. So we started with the $24. So it will be $24 for the first two years

614
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:08,380
After that the the fees will be tied to

615
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:11,020
Johnson Park fees

616
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:13,340
So the highest

617
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:16,060
The the highest Johnson Park

618
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:18,780
Nine whole

619
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:19,900
Fee

620
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:21,900
We would tie our fee into

621
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:29,180
So if their nine whole fee is $35, which it is right now. That is their highest nine whole fee

622
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:31,980
Then ours will be $35

623
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:39,020
and um, I will tell you that that is that will that 10 years from now that will be a steal

624
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:41,260
and um

625
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:43,980
It does worry us it worries us a lot

626
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:47,900
That we are we are being tied into

627
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:50,300
the

628
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:52,300
the the Johnson Park fee

629
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,620
Which is not a

630
00:55:54,620 --> 00:56:02,620
Course that will not be comparable to ours. I mean, that's how that's how we believe although JP is a really great public course

631
00:56:03,340 --> 00:56:05,340
So at some point

632
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:09,740
Um, we want to have the ability right now

633
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:12,460
Johnson Park

634
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:17,020
Who is the who who's the deal? Who's the contract with

635
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:24,300
True. So the contract is with true and true has the ability to raise Johnson Park

636
00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:26,140
Green fees

637
00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:28,140
5% every year

638
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:33,500
If they decide if they decide not to raise the Johnson Park green fees

639
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:38,940
We don't want them to be able to dictate what our green fees are

640
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:45,580
So we will want to be able to use the 5% inflator in our green fees

641
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:52,460
If they decide not to use it and and I mean it could very well be that that they're

642
00:56:53,740 --> 00:56:59,740
That that something at Johnson Park the course is is you know is not doing well

643
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:05,340
They're they're not watering at the irrigation systems not working the equipment's not being replaced

644
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,180
But we on the other hand continue to invest in our course

645
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:12,460
We don't want to be tied into a greens fee

646
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:19,740
That true is going to have at johnson park and we can't operate our course at that

647
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:27,820
Can you hit your

648
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:34,140
By projecting to us that your marketing vision

649
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:35,740
includes

650
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:42,460
You know all the people coming into racene and taking advantage of this course and in the hospitality every scene

651
00:57:43,340 --> 00:57:44,860
Right

652
00:57:44,860 --> 00:57:47,660
In my i'm just going to be devil's advocate make your money off of them

653
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:49,740
you know

654
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:51,740
Or you mean the other people

655
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:53,980
Right

656
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:56,860
I don't know who's who's doing your marketing or whatnot

657
00:57:56,860 --> 00:58:02,940
But for the people that live here in racene, you know that 24 dollars and I get it five years from now

658
00:58:03,020 --> 00:58:07,020
That's going to look like like change, but I also know my community

659
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:13,180
So 24 dollars now will be this you know that will be a win for them in the future

660
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:17,820
But you know you settled in it two years. We have a 10 year separation possibility

661
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:23,820
There's a huge gap. I haven't heard, you know why the 10 years. I'm not really excited about that

662
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:25,820
I think that should be extended and I think

663
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:31,340
Any allowances that are given to the city should extend at least to that 10 year port

664
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:40,460
You know that's not stop and then I'll touch on those trees saw forestry gave us a really excellent report about why we need to

665
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:43,580
Uh look at what's going on with our trees

666
00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:51,260
I do understand as a as a person who studied it that you know if we do not address those those uh ill trees

667
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:55,100
They will continue to poison our shoreline and even the healthy trees

668
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:57,820
And so those some people think holding on to those

669
00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:03,020
Sentimentally will help our ecosystem there that is completely not true

670
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:09,020
The opposite, but for those other things that I'm speaking of I really I really do want to see

671
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:12,620
You know kind of like a buy-in to that and more of a relationship

672
00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:16,860
With the city we sign on that dotted line and say go for it

673
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:21,420
And then we step back and we don't readdress anything or come back to you for 10 years

674
00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:26,300
And anything could happen and we also don't have a say in how any of that happens

675
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:30,060
You just mentioned you don't want your green fees tied to someone else's

676
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:37,020
Uh golf course. I'm not really comfortable with you know as much as I love the $10 million input

677
00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:43,580
I just you know going okay. We'll go on it and then we find out that you've you're making a decision to

678
00:59:44,060 --> 00:59:50,220
To separate and then here we are 10 years looking at some financial liabilities that we can't afford you

679
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:51,820
You won't have any

680
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:56,460
If we walk away in 10 years, you keep the $10 million investment that we put in the golf course

681
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:59,500
We're not going to walk away from that. I mean that's number one

682
01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:01,100
Number

683
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,100
The other issue that you brought up is

684
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:07,660
Make your money off the other people coming in and we will we'll make it

685
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:09,900
We're going to raise those as high as we can

686
01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:17,180
But another question that was at the mayor was concerned about and I think other I know other people have been concerned about

687
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:19,500
Are you going to have certain times?

688
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:22,940
That Racine residents can come

689
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:28,860
So we only let them come between one and two in the afternoon or something like that

690
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:36,140
The answer is no they can come anytime. So as we're budgeting we you know is

691
01:00:36,940 --> 01:00:40,060
You know, are we going to be filled with city of Racine people?

692
01:00:40,780 --> 01:00:43,820
Fantastic and but it could be you know

693
01:00:44,380 --> 01:00:46,380
Five 10 years that could be

694
01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:51,500
$35 $40 where the people from Chicago would pay 150

695
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:59,980
But we aren't going to restrict the times that city of Racine golfers can come and joy

696
01:01:00,860 --> 01:01:03,100
The golf course so they can come anytime

697
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:08,380
And so that's how I would address that it's it's hard to budget

698
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:16,460
You know, how how large will our revenue be? Well, it depends how many receipt golfers come and how many non-recine

699
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:19,260
golfers come

700
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:24,220
Thank you, mr. Leopold we are

701
01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:27,260
We do have two other presentations then from

702
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:29,500
somebody staff

703
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,900
Unless there's anything else you wanted to add before we close we're going to go to mr. Kepnick and mr. Rooney

704
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,860
just to talk about the no the forestry component and the

705
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:41,740
The short line component so thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Thank you very much

706
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:47,660
Thank you. I could ask director Kepnick to from the parks for creation cultural services to approach the ds

707
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:55,100
Some of you may have seen this presentation before some of you were not on the council when he gave this presentation before but there's been much discussion

708
01:01:55,580 --> 01:02:00,540
Of the trees and the birds on the site and we asked mr. Kepnick who's our parks director now

709
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:06,140
But prior to that was our forestry division manager from for many years. So mr. Kepnick if you could

710
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:09,260
Have a

711
01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:11,500
Revisit of the report that you gave to us previously

712
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:16,700
For the benefit particularly of the newer members on council but for the members of the public who are here as well

713
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:19,260
Thank you very much

714
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:23,660
So my goal tonight is to walk you through how I evaluated this proposal

715
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:27,660
The factors I considered and the framework I used to assess it

716
01:02:28,220 --> 01:02:32,460
And I'd like to note that this is not an ecological assessment or an environmental review

717
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:35,820
But simply the approach that I took to better understand this project

718
01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:45,180
First and foremost I would like to note that windpoint and shoe park is a recognized birding area amongst birding enthusiasts

719
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:53,980
regional birding records and e-bird observations online indicate that more than 270 bird species have been documented in the area

720
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:59,980
These species can be broken down into the type of habitats that they prefer

721
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:05,500
Generally using four different major habitat groupings

722
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,220
There is open water and lake habitat

723
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:12,940
Shoreline and beach habitat open land and meadow habitat

724
01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:15,740
And trees and woodland habitat

725
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:20,300
Just over 60 percent of the 270 species are

726
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:27,740
Known in the area do not use the tree and the woodland habitat which seems to be you know something that has come up multiple times

727
01:03:28,860 --> 01:03:34,860
The high number of species observed at windpoint is best understood because of the habitat diversity

728
01:03:35,260 --> 01:03:38,700
As well as the shoreline geography which projects out into the lake

729
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:46,380
Trees and shrubs are one part of that habitat picture, but they are not the only factor that drives bird diversity at this location

730
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:55,100
So when I as a older mac alluded to when I think of this project I break it down into two major separate projects really

731
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:59,580
The first is the shoreline stabilization and the bluff resiliency

732
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:02,700
And second would be the golf course redevelopment itself

733
01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:10,380
These are related to the same property of course, but they're different project components with different environmental considerations and different purposes

734
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:17,020
The shoreline and bluff work is a resiliency and an infrastructure issue

735
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:22,940
The east edge of the property includes a bluff along lake michigan that has experienced significant erosion

736
01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:30,620
During the january 2020 high water and storm events major bluff failure occurred and trees and soil were lost into the lake

737
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:34,700
The existing bluff edge in its current condition is unstable

738
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:43,420
And vegetation along that edge can contribute to continued instability through root leverage wind loading and associated soil movement

739
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:49,100
In order to stabilize the bluff and install shoreline protection measures

740
01:04:49,420 --> 01:04:53,740
Vegetation along the bluff edge would need to be removed to allow access and construction

741
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:55,420
Uh

742
01:04:55,420 --> 01:04:57,900
And to reduce ongoing stabilization

743
01:04:58,620 --> 01:05:03,580
This is not simply a vegetation removal issue. It is part of shoreline protection and resiliency

744
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:07,980
Responding to documented erosion and infrastructure concerns

745
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:13,980
Regarding the tree canopy on the course itself

746
01:05:15,180 --> 01:05:22,300
We do have a full assessment the forestry division of all public trees in the city consisting of about 40 000 gis points

747
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:25,180
um prior to

748
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:31,260
Putting this initial assessment together. I did a query and of all the species on the course

749
01:05:32,140 --> 01:05:38,780
And it shows that a large share of the existing canopy is dominated by a relatively small group of tree species including

750
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:43,660
silver maple green ash white ash norway maple and honey locust

751
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:51,260
40 of the trees on the course which consists of 74 individual trees are made up of these five species

752
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:57,900
And in addition 55 of the 184 trees on the course are under 10 inches in diameter

753
01:05:58,540 --> 01:06:04,380
And due to their small size currently provide very limited or relatively limited cat canopy habitat

754
01:06:05,740 --> 01:06:07,740
Benefit

755
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:13,580
It's also important to note that several of those species have management or ecological limitations

756
01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:21,100
Norway maple one of those five species is non-native and it provides relatively limited wildlife value compared to

757
01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:23,260
higher valued native species

758
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:30,300
Our remapel is also recognized by the dnr as a species with invasive tendencies and the ability to spread into natural areas

759
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:33,900
I mentioned white ash and green ash

760
01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:43,420
And ash in general have provided canopy value historically dating back to the 60s after Dutch elm disease. They were largely planted as a replacement species

761
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:49,180
But today these trees are highly vulnerable due to emerald ash borer and invasive insect from china

762
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:53,500
That has been present in the racene area for approximately 15 years

763
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:57,580
And these trees require ongoing treatment to remain viable

764
01:06:58,220 --> 01:07:01,660
And as such they do not represent durable long-term habitat

765
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:07,660
Silver maple supports more insect life than many of the other common species on the site

766
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:13,900
But is also relatively short-lived and more prone to decay and storm damage which limits its long-term reliability

767
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:17,500
And the last species honey locust is a native tree

768
01:07:18,380 --> 01:07:23,580
But again when compared with higher value species it supports relatively low insect diversity

769
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:29,820
That covers everything I want to mention so i'm happy to answer any questions

770
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:36,620
Any questions for director kepnick pretty late for the three new altars, but for any of the members or any questions for mr. kepnick

771
01:07:39,980 --> 01:07:41,660
I'll do your answer

772
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:46,860
I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit more. I think in the past you've maybe shared a story of you went to go do a

773
01:07:47,820 --> 01:07:49,820
Tree assessment

774
01:07:49,820 --> 01:07:54,620
Out there and you watched one of the trees you went there to go assess being carried out to the lake

775
01:07:54,620 --> 01:08:00,060
Could you could you talk more about like what the impact is of having the wrong tree in the wrong place?

776
01:08:00,940 --> 01:08:05,900
Sure. Well that specific situation was after the january 2020 storm

777
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:12,700
For those of you not familiar the lake was at record high levels at least 24 to 30 inches above where it is today

778
01:08:13,580 --> 01:08:18,540
We also had a warmer winter so we did not have any shore ice and so when this large storm came in

779
01:08:19,180 --> 01:08:21,900
We had direct wave action onto this bluff

780
01:08:22,540 --> 01:08:29,180
Again, which and the lake was at a very high level. So I went out to assess the damage probably a week after the storm

781
01:08:29,820 --> 01:08:33,100
And while I did not see trees actually actively falling there were

782
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:39,980
Large trees laying in the lake itself. They had you know the root systems had given out

783
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:45,260
They tipped over they were still attached at the shoreline, but laying in the lake and then at a later date

784
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:48,700
Those trees were completely gone during later site visits

785
01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:54,460
And these were not small trees. These were probably 12 to 16 inch diameter trees

786
01:08:55,260 --> 01:08:57,260
At least 30 or 40 feet tall

787
01:08:57,900 --> 01:08:59,900
And what was the second part of your question?

788
01:08:59,900 --> 01:09:01,260
But the

789
01:09:01,260 --> 01:09:06,060
Was that just nature was that maybe the wrong tree in the wrong place or you know the

790
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:09,020
Are they set up to be on a bluff like that?

791
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:14,060
I'd say it was directly tied to the erosion and the damage from the storm itself

792
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:20,140
You know trees do not have really deep root systems in general. They have shallow root systems

793
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:23,740
And the amount of wave action

794
01:09:24,460 --> 01:09:28,540
During that storm and probably subsequent storms as well. They may have been

795
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:35,420
Not as significant, but they still had their they did their damage to the root systems and once that erosion begins

796
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:38,300
Then wind takes over

797
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:44,700
These erosion channels continue to erode from future rain events and it just is a process

798
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:49,660
Where the bluff continues to fail and then trees are caught up in the

799
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:52,460
You know in the erosion

800
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:59,820
And so because I think it's been there've been people who've called me and said well if we just put more trees and planted more trees

801
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:01,820
It would stabilize the bluff

802
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:04,300
It kind of sounds like it's going

803
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:08,300
Against maybe what you've been describing of the trees are a component to it

804
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:11,900
But if there's major erosion going on that another tree

805
01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:14,620
Yeah in its current state

806
01:10:15,260 --> 01:10:20,140
It's it's too far gone to in my opinion to do anything with vegetation

807
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:22,860
there needs to be

808
01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:24,940
actual construction

809
01:10:24,940 --> 01:10:26,940
reshaping of the land and

810
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:28,940
bringing in of resilient

811
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:34,380
Infrastructures rocks whatever it may be to provide that protection

812
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:37,100
So it's eclipsed what a

813
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:40,140
You know more vegetation would be able to stabilize

814
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:45,980
Absolutely, it's current state. Yes. And so if if we didn't do it the ultimate

815
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:52,860
Ending that would be that the trees would fall into the lake much like you witnessed and the bluff would be gone

816
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:55,020
Yes, so I imagine when the lake

817
01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:59,340
Level rises again because it's cyclical whether that's five years six or seven years down the road

818
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:05,260
We will most likely be experiencing the same issues just continuing forward

819
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:08,220
All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate those my questions

820
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:13,580
Thank you director kepnick seeing no further questions. We'll ask

821
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:19,020
Commissioner roomy to please approach the deus and discuss the shoreline resiliency

822
01:11:20,220 --> 01:11:22,220
or lack thereof

823
01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:27,020
Thank you

824
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:34,060
Thank you mayor and come council member. So i'm going to review a little bit

825
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:38,540
The presentation that I believe we've made in march last before the common council

826
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:42,700
Tam core was hired by the golf course group

827
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:48,380
To provide shoreline protection plans my office in turn hired smith group

828
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:53,500
To review the design your storm analysis prepared by tam core

829
01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:56,140
And determine whether the engineering

830
01:11:56,860 --> 01:12:03,740
Was sound or not a smith group is highly regarded coastal engineering firm that they did our harbor back in the 80s

831
01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:07,340
They found it to be sound engineering

832
01:12:08,540 --> 01:12:14,460
Final approval of those plans is will be under the purview of the Wisconsin department of natural resources

833
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:20,940
And the us army core of engineers as they are the regulatory and permitting agencies over waters of the state

834
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:23,980
Um, there's been some confusion. I think about

835
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:26,860
You know accessing the shoreline and the revetment

836
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:30,540
So i'd like to clear that up a little bit to the toe of the proposed revetment

837
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:34,780
Will be placed well above the ordinary high watermark of lake michigan

838
01:12:35,260 --> 01:12:40,780
Meaning there will always be beach that will exist between the toe of the revetment and the shoreline that is defined by the current

839
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,540
lake level

840
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:43,020
um

841
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:48,620
And this will always be available then for the public to walk the entire 3 000 foot shoreline

842
01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:51,900
So the statutory ordinary high watermark of lake michigan

843
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:58,060
Is 579.8 feet above sea level that's for regulatory purposes

844
01:12:58,620 --> 01:13:02,220
Um, it's elevation represents a fixed legal point

845
01:13:03,020 --> 01:13:07,740
Used for coastal management and permitting rather than like a daily average water level

846
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:16,060
The revetment toe for this shoreline protection revetment will be constructed at elevations that vary between 583

847
01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:20,380
And 585 so it'll be well above that ordinary high watermark

848
01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:22,300
um

849
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:27,980
Just to give you some context of where the water level was back in january of 2020

850
01:13:28,540 --> 01:13:33,900
Um, it was at 582 point four feet. It was almost at all time record high

851
01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:35,900
um

852
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:42,060
And that's what causes the significant coastal erosion and flooding you know when combined with the record storm event

853
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:43,900
um

854
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:47,900
The estimated costs of the shoreline protection for this project

855
01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:51,020
Um, this is the revetment the slope embankment

856
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:56,700
Um and access road is estimated between 1.2 and 1.3 million dollars

857
01:13:57,260 --> 01:14:01,100
And the engineering and permitting is estimated at about 150 000

858
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:06,700
Uh, the revetment is estimated to have a useful service life of anywhere from 50 to 100 years

859
01:14:06,940 --> 01:14:11,420
This is obviously dependent on any wave conditions that could cause problems with that

860
01:14:11,980 --> 01:14:16,140
The revetment is speaking with both the city's consultant and the designer

861
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:20,220
It should be inspected after any significant storm that produces

862
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:27,180
Significant waves when the lake level is over 581 feet above sea level

863
01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:31,180
And that's something that probably should be considered when that event happens

864
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:32,380
um

865
01:14:32,380 --> 01:14:40,060
And also just you probably know this already but fema provided no funding for repairs of this property after evaluations and applications

866
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:44,380
Were made by the city overseeing and smith group six years ago

867
01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:49,020
Um lastly, we all saw a task of looking at the existing buildings on the property

868
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:53,100
So there are two buildings out there two properties if you will that are separated

869
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:57,340
Um both buildings the clubhouse and that service garage

870
01:14:57,820 --> 01:15:01,260
They're included in the city's facilities condition assessment program

871
01:15:01,740 --> 01:15:07,340
Uh both buildings have facility condition condition index scores over 30 percent

872
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:12,140
So an fci score represents a percentage of fraction of investment that needs to be made

873
01:15:12,540 --> 01:15:16,300
In a building over the next 10 years divided by the replacement cost of that facility

874
01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:17,740
So

875
01:15:17,740 --> 01:15:20,700
Anything over 0.30 should be considered

876
01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:23,260
For replacement or being raised

877
01:15:23,820 --> 01:15:28,380
The clubhouse is 0.37 and the service garage is 0.42

878
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:29,820
Um

879
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:35,820
The estimated useful life of these facilities the clubhouse has about 6.7 years left and the service garage

880
01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:37,820
a little over five

881
01:15:37,820 --> 01:15:38,460
Um

882
01:15:38,460 --> 01:15:43,260
There are several assets associated with each building that are also beyond their use of a service life

883
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:45,900
um for example the parking lot

884
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:47,260
um

885
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:51,500
The clubhouse itself along with the land of the parking lot has a net present value

886
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:53,980
Of about $975,000

887
01:15:54,940 --> 01:15:56,940
The assets on that property

888
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:00,700
Um that are now beyond the useful life are nearly 300,000

889
01:16:01,180 --> 01:16:04,540
And the service garage has a net present value of just over 100

890
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:09,580
And the assets associated with that are now totaling 25,000

891
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:10,460
So

892
01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:15,420
In summary, you know, the value of the shoreline production is close to 1.5 million

893
01:16:15,980 --> 01:16:18,060
The assets of both these buildings, um

894
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:25,020
Have a net present value of a million, but they have liabilities that are exceeding 300,000 dollars currently

895
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:33,020
So, um, this would be 1.8 million dollars that the city would not have to invest in this property to take care of the shoreline

896
01:16:33,660 --> 01:16:37,660
Or take care of these assets that are deteriorating at these different locations

897
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:40,300
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them

898
01:16:41,020 --> 01:16:43,020
under mac

899
01:16:43,020 --> 01:16:45,260
I think you have a couple questions number one

900
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:47,820
um

901
01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:49,580
In your opinion

902
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:51,580
Does the city have the money to?

903
01:16:52,220 --> 01:16:53,820
Budget to

904
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:58,460
Make the upgrades to shoot park and it is a is it a priority within your

905
01:16:59,260 --> 01:17:01,900
department based on all the other

906
01:17:02,540 --> 01:17:04,540
Um priorities you currently have

907
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:09,740
Well, I mean all the assets in the city that under the purview public works are a priority

908
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:13,260
It's it's a question of funding and and making choices and that's you know

909
01:17:13,340 --> 01:17:17,740
What you folks on the common council have to make those decisions. What do you want to prioritize?

910
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:20,060
I can tell you we have a growing list of

911
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:23,340
70 plus buildings that we have in the city

912
01:17:23,820 --> 01:17:28,300
Um that we have not been able to address adequately

913
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:31,820
Roads sewer infrastructure

914
01:17:32,220 --> 01:17:38,700
Lighting other facilities so at least it's it's it's a long list and uh we'd love to take care of these things

915
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:40,620
But it's not a priority

916
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:46,780
Right now. I think of common council or public works at this time because there are other things that are in the queue

917
01:17:47,260 --> 01:17:51,420
And we have a fire station, which I think is approximately what 60 million dollars

918
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:58,220
It has to common council is yeah contemplating a new fire station which would commit another 50 million dollars

919
01:17:59,020 --> 01:18:04,380
So um, I'm assuming that the council is going to put

920
01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:10,140
Making upgrades at shoe park very very low on the list

921
01:18:10,780 --> 01:18:15,020
uh, I can't speak for my my colleagues but looking at

922
01:18:16,540 --> 01:18:20,060
the fiscal position that we're in today and

923
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:24,620
the need for both the police and of

924
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:33,500
Uh new fire fire station is probably going to take a higher priority. There's some concern about

925
01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:43,580
Who's going to be responsible if the johnson leopold family pulls out after 10 years

926
01:18:43,980 --> 01:18:47,420
I'm really not concerned about that because the way I look at it is

927
01:18:48,140 --> 01:18:50,540
They're making a 10 million dollar investment

928
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:57,340
Looks like a couple million dollar investment in infrastructure clubhouse maintenance building

929
01:18:57,820 --> 01:18:59,820
Um, not sure how much the irrigation

930
01:19:00,940 --> 01:19:03,820
System is going to cost so

931
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:10,460
Uh, whether it's us making that investment or they're making that investment

932
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:18,940
Um, if they don't get involved in the the project and we end up having to make those

933
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:20,540
um

934
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:23,420
Make those investments we're going to be on the hook for

935
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:27,900
for it, you know in perpetuity

936
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:30,220
um

937
01:19:30,220 --> 01:19:32,540
And at least for the next 10 years

938
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:35,420
I um assuming that the

939
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:41,580
agreement means that they're going to maintain and and provide the upkeep and

940
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:46,940
They've made it very clear. They want a 50 year lease. I'm thinking the 10 year lease may have been

941
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:52,060
something the city negotiated so that we can look at it after 10 years and see if there's a

942
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:53,980
opportunity

943
01:19:53,980 --> 01:19:55,740
Um, if things are going

944
01:19:55,740 --> 01:20:01,900
Successfully to maybe generate a little bit more income for the city. I don't know that will be a question for

945
01:20:02,620 --> 01:20:06,140
Uh, the mayor and attorney let me when that time comes, but

946
01:20:06,940 --> 01:20:12,780
Do you have any issues if they walk away after 10 years with?

947
01:20:13,740 --> 01:20:17,660
Having these brand new buildings that uh, they've invested

948
01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:23,820
Well, and I don't think neither with the buildings themselves or the shoreline protection investment

949
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:27,740
If you look at the areas that were damaged in that january 2020 storm

950
01:20:28,140 --> 01:20:30,620
Uh, those are the areas that were either

951
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:36,780
Engineered poorly not engineered at all or the wrong material was used and those are the parts that failed

952
01:20:37,180 --> 01:20:41,500
So the plans that were prepared by tambour that were reviewed by smith group that i'll go to the dnr

953
01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:46,940
Corvage near for a very thorough review are going to be the type of materials in the engineering that sound

954
01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:50,380
They usually can withstand even some of these most ferocious storms

955
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:54,780
There are still areas that exist along our lakefront that were untouched

956
01:20:55,420 --> 01:20:59,260
By that january 2020 storm because they were done correctly with the correct materials

957
01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:04,300
So I i'm not concerned about either one of those things if in 10 years for some reason

958
01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:06,780
They decided they did

959
01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:11,340
Well, we

960
01:21:11,340 --> 01:21:16,220
I we don't have I don't think we have a building other than the new transfer station that's less than 20 years old

961
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:21,900
So I think the city would welcome any new building that has very little maintenance cost to it. So

962
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:24,620
Yeah

963
01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:26,620
Other questions for commissioner runy

964
01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:29,900
Okay, thank you very much

965
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:33,180
We're now going to go to public input again when

966
01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:37,100
The clerk calls your name, please come up to the ds

967
01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:43,580
You will have three minutes to say we want to say we do have more than 15 people registered to speak

968
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:46,060
So just I would encourage all of you

969
01:21:46,780 --> 01:21:50,860
If you are saying something that is has already been said try to keep it

970
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:57,660
To something maybe new and novel three minutes are yours to speak on this topic and and this topic only

971
01:21:58,540 --> 01:22:00,540
And if the clerk could please call the first name

972
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:03,020
Jesse

973
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:05,500
Jesse Booker 126 Sheffield Drive

974
01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:10,220
I think I saw you on facebook. Yeah

975
01:22:10,940 --> 01:22:12,140
Hi guys

976
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:16,620
All right, so first of all Wednesday july 15th festival park for racene's got town

977
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:22,700
Please feel free to come out by show of hands. How many people here are directly related to the chute family?

978
01:22:23,180 --> 01:22:25,180
Feel free to raise your hand

979
01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:32,540
Nobody I'm going to ask that you please do not invoke the name of a family that you are not directly related to first and foremost

980
01:22:32,940 --> 01:22:35,740
Now i'm going to take you on a little history lesson over win point

981
01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:39,340
So 1917 the land was turned over to the city

982
01:22:39,740 --> 01:22:43,340
How many individuals here live in a house that was built before?

983
01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:46,460
1917 and win point

984
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:48,620
None

985
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:51,580
Okay, my family owns the house that is an eyesore

986
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:53,580
online house drive

987
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:59,340
My uncle less and my aunt Phyllis the gray house just north of the prairie school is everybody familiar with that house

988
01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:01,580
Yeah, just north my grandpa

989
01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:07,980
Gerald wish i'll also known as p-nut tended the land in win point that used to be farmland

990
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:15,500
Right he had a fruit cart and a vegetable cart and pumpkins on his front lawn for the individuals of win point

991
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:20,060
All right at some point over the course of the last 109 years

992
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:24,860
There was a question do we want to make improvements in the land or do we want to keep it the same?

993
01:23:25,740 --> 01:23:30,300
109 years that house was built in the late 1800s and i'm sure that anybody in win point

994
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:35,740
Will be glad to see that house come down in an instant because it's an eyesore built in the late 1800s

995
01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:39,980
the prairie school the charm jewel of win point was built in

996
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:46,460
mid 1900s right i'm sure at some point somebody said should we build this school and a lot of people voted yes

997
01:23:46,860 --> 01:23:49,660
And since then there have been many improvements to the prairie school

998
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:52,780
But at some point somebody couldn't said no keep it the same

999
01:23:53,180 --> 01:23:58,300
We could either accept a 10 million dollar investment into win point or we could keep it the same

1000
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:05,980
All of the land along that coast for lake michigan was tended by my grandpa and at some point somebody voted to improve that land

1001
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:08,780
north of my grandpa's house was all farm land

1002
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:11,740
All the land around that was tended by my grandfather

1003
01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:18,300
But the same people of win point who live in brand new houses are now here today trying to tell us to keep it the same

1004
01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:20,860
109 year old property

1005
01:24:21,420 --> 01:24:27,260
Why would you want to forgo a 10 million dollar investment into your property into your

1006
01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:34,860
Your space and just keep it the same i'm not understanding if somebody came to you and said hey i'll improve your kitchen

1007
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:37,580
$50,000 you can have it would you accept that

1008
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:44,620
Would you accept them investing into your home then why would you not accept them investing into your land around your house?

1009
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:46,460
I just don't understand

1010
01:24:46,460 --> 01:24:52,380
Somebody has to help me make it make sense why we would not accept a 10 million dollar investment to improve the land

1011
01:24:52,940 --> 01:24:56,780
That has been developed over and over and over again in the course of the last 109 years

1012
01:24:57,180 --> 01:25:01,580
You don't have to answer today, but you are welcome to reach out to me jesse booker and explain to me

1013
01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:06,700
Why you don't see the value. Thank you guys very much for your time. Thank you guys very much for your time

1014
01:25:07,340 --> 01:25:09,340
I

1015
01:25:10,780 --> 01:25:13,340
Greg Thompson 2 2 1 13th app

1016
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:24,620
Hi, greg Thompson 2 2 1 13th avenue. Um, i've been playing chute park for probably close to 30 years now

1017
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:26,060
um

1018
01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:28,060
Often on usually a few guys

1019
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:32,940
With me will come up because it's not for the quality of the golf

1020
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:37,660
It's for the walk by this serene beautiful lake shore environment

1021
01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:40,620
We we just love it. It's it's just a

1022
01:25:41,260 --> 01:25:45,340
A unique place there's only one other place you can play golf on the lake in wisconsin

1023
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:49,740
And we can't afford to go play there because it's whistling straights and it's over 400 dollars around

1024
01:25:50,540 --> 01:25:52,540
plus caddy

1025
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:58,380
Now we have this opportunity for a donation of 10 million dollars to improve this property

1026
01:25:59,180 --> 01:26:05,100
And to make it accessible to people of all ages races and income levels

1027
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:12,460
The kizer family who is behind dream golf has a 25 year record of environmental

1028
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:15,100
Stewardship and providing inclusive golf

1029
01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:19,420
For juniors that wouldn't otherwise have that opportunity

1030
01:26:20,140 --> 01:26:22,540
And that'll be part of this project as I understand it

1031
01:26:23,260 --> 01:26:28,860
Perfect example of this is what the kizer family did in madison at the glenway golf course

1032
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:35,580
Um where they rejuvenated an old course that the city cannot afford to to restore

1033
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:38,380
um

1034
01:26:38,380 --> 01:26:47,020
Two projects that i've been fortunate enough to see are sand valley here in wisconsin and ban and dunes on the close to aragon that the kizer family did

1035
01:26:47,820 --> 01:26:53,100
Um, they're they're absolutely stunning and this is the type of environment. They're they're looking to bring here

1036
01:26:54,860 --> 01:27:01,020
Now you have the local family of craig lee uphold and helen johnson who have a as you know a long record of

1037
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:06,300
Donating to the community and being doing sustainable projects

1038
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:08,060
um

1039
01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:09,900
It's an incredible

1040
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:16,540
Situation to have two of these families that have done such good work for decades

1041
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:22,860
Coming together to do this project here in the city to racine. It's just stunning that that's even a possibility

1042
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:29,340
Um, some of the things I think that are important to know besides the golf

1043
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:37,340
Continuing the vehicle of course are the new walking paths for the public for people to walk with their family their dogs would have you

1044
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:42,460
Obviously as you heard the strong and stabilization and erosion control is a huge factor

1045
01:27:43,340 --> 01:27:46,220
Um restoring and enhancing wildlife habitat

1046
01:27:47,180 --> 01:27:52,540
Not much has been spoken about that, but what they plan to do and what they've done at their other courses that I visited

1047
01:27:53,260 --> 01:27:55,260
greatly enhanced that

1048
01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:56,060
um

1049
01:27:56,060 --> 01:28:02,540
The opportunities for juniors to to work there in the club house and to be caddies and to play golf are huge

1050
01:28:03,820 --> 01:28:07,660
Um handy cap accessibility for the first time at shoe park

1051
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:13,180
It would be very difficult to get around that place right now, but you'll have that with the new parking lot in club house

1052
01:28:14,060 --> 01:28:17,500
It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and I hope that city

1053
01:28:22,460 --> 01:28:25,340
Michael Burke 1 2 3 2 Florence have

1054
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:33,580
Hi, um, I've spoken to you before so I'm sure some of you remember me

1055
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,860
I'm the current president of hoyota bond society

1056
01:28:37,340 --> 01:28:47,020
And um, I have to say for the record that our official board position is that we are opposed to this course that vol was taken in april

1057
01:28:47,740 --> 01:28:49,260
um

1058
01:28:49,260 --> 01:28:50,700
However

1059
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:53,980
Since then I've had we've had a couple of opportunities

1060
01:28:54,460 --> 01:28:57,660
Thanks to the developer's willingness to listen to us to talk to us

1061
01:28:58,300 --> 01:29:04,780
Including um a zoom call with craig haltom who was here and with gents jensen on may 1st

1062
01:29:05,420 --> 01:29:07,420
with myself and two others

1063
01:29:07,420 --> 01:29:11,420
Um, it was very informative and somewhat encouraging

1064
01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:14,700
And just three days ago just last friday

1065
01:29:15,340 --> 01:29:20,860
I and two of my board members were able to walk around on the course with gents jensen

1066
01:29:20,860 --> 01:29:27,100
So I don't I don't question their motives, but I do have to repeat that

1067
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:31,340
This property is one of the very best richest

1068
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:37,740
um habitats in the whole state of wisconsin for the number of bird species that have been have been identified there

1069
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:40,300
um, so

1070
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:47,260
I feel like they're trying to be reasonable. I'm trying to be reasonable as well. And at this point I feel like

1071
01:29:47,980 --> 01:29:48,940
um

1072
01:29:48,940 --> 01:29:50,940
What I would like to see is

1073
01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:53,660
A lot of people are only talking about trees or no trees

1074
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:59,740
Um, but I want to point out that there are other types of habitat on the shoot course

1075
01:29:59,980 --> 01:30:05,420
That are really rich with birds. Um, and I'm just wondering I wish craig was sitting here still

1076
01:30:05,980 --> 01:30:11,900
Um, but uh, I I'm just wondering if there is some way to incorporate some of those other

1077
01:30:12,460 --> 01:30:15,820
Sort of mid-range habitats. I know this really

1078
01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:21,420
A poll of this vision is that you'll be able to stand on the east side of the course anywhere and look at the lake

1079
01:30:21,980 --> 01:30:25,020
I'm wondering if he would accept anything a little less than that

1080
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:26,700
um

1081
01:30:26,780 --> 01:30:31,900
And perhaps find ways to incorporate some of these areas, uh, that are rich with bird

1082
01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:35,980
Habitat into the into the plans. Um,

1083
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:40,620
I suppose it's not reasonable for me to hope that they could

1084
01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:47,260
Do the bluff work in two stages, but that would be the ideal thing because as soon as you take that he'll set that whole

1085
01:30:47,740 --> 01:30:53,180
Bluff down, uh, we're gonna lose birds for years and years and years. Um, so

1086
01:30:54,220 --> 01:30:55,660
I'm

1087
01:30:55,740 --> 01:31:01,580
Asking for just ways that they can find to perhaps accommodate

1088
01:31:02,540 --> 01:31:04,540
some of that habitat, um

1089
01:31:05,660 --> 01:31:10,620
You know keep in mind sand doesn't do anything for birds. So we're gonna lose a lot of birds

1090
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:15,740
No matter what they'll come back maybe 10 years, maybe 15 years, maybe 20 years

1091
01:31:16,140 --> 01:31:21,500
Um, but it's more than just the trees. So I just want to kind of plant that idea and um

1092
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:25,900
I guess that's about it. Thanks

1093
01:31:29,820 --> 01:31:31,820
Thomas Hess 1016 Hamilton Street

1094
01:31:46,460 --> 01:31:49,980
Dr. Laura Brentman Johnson 2814 Green Street

1095
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:53,500
I

1096
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:06,220
Hi everyone, um, my name is dr. Laura Brentman Johnson. I live in district five represented by all the retorgensen. Sorry. Um,

1097
01:32:06,860 --> 01:32:11,580
It's got a lot of calls for me. Um, thank you for the opportunity. Um,

1098
01:32:12,460 --> 01:32:15,980
I want to kind of just ask a rhetorical question because I know the answer but

1099
01:32:16,540 --> 01:32:20,300
Um, do you guys know who plants the flowers at chute park and who tends to them?

1100
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:22,620
Um, do you know

1101
01:32:22,620 --> 01:32:27,900
Who power washes the clubhouse right now when the spiders get kind of out of control and it gets kind of gross?

1102
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:30,380
I do

1103
01:32:30,380 --> 01:32:35,100
Do you know the little old guy that golfs four holes and has a beer a couple times a week?

1104
01:32:35,740 --> 01:32:41,900
I know him. Have you met the kids out there that are from a lot of the local high schools that golf out there?

1105
01:32:42,700 --> 01:32:44,300
I know a lot of them

1106
01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:48,940
Have you ever talked to the people that walk the shoreline along hole two that's

1107
01:32:49,660 --> 01:32:51,660
Undoubtedly sinking into the lake

1108
01:32:52,540 --> 01:32:57,900
Certainly I I've met them. Um, I don't know if any of you have but what a treat

1109
01:32:58,940 --> 01:33:01,900
Those are the people that I care about when we talk about all this

1110
01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:08,940
No one can make a reasonable argument that chute doesn't need work. I have golf chute for a very long time

1111
01:33:09,580 --> 01:33:14,940
Ask me about the best waterproof shoes. So you don't end up with soggy feet on holes. What?

1112
01:33:15,580 --> 01:33:16,540
Uh

1113
01:33:16,540 --> 01:33:17,900
four

1114
01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:19,900
nine five

1115
01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:22,620
Falling into a sinkhole and hole five

1116
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:26,460
It needs work, right?

1117
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:30,700
Shoop was we have a shoe because of like

1118
01:33:31,420 --> 01:33:33,420
philanthropy is not dead right

1119
01:33:33,820 --> 01:33:35,820
This is an incredible gift

1120
01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:38,220
But part of it doesn't really feel like a gift

1121
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:43,740
Um, it feels like there's strings attached. I know we talk a lot about cost

1122
01:33:44,380 --> 01:33:45,900
Um

1123
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:47,900
And we're talking about how it's going to go up 11 dollars

1124
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:50,620
I know a lot of people that don't have 11 dollars

1125
01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:56,620
So when we talk about who this is for I love the idea of having more people come to Racine

1126
01:33:56,700 --> 01:34:00,540
I love the city born and raised. I'm going to stay till I die, right?

1127
01:34:01,260 --> 01:34:02,220
But

1128
01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:05,340
I want this part to be for the kids that I see out there now

1129
01:34:05,420 --> 01:34:10,380
I want it to be for me when I'm a thousand years old shuffling around the course

1130
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:13,100
That's who I want this to be for

1131
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:16,300
Again, I know

1132
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:22,300
It needs work. Nobody can argue that but please just keep it in mind as we move forward with this

1133
01:34:23,340 --> 01:34:27,020
The people that use it are the people that matter. I appreciate

1134
01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:31,740
The gifts. I appreciate the excitement for the course, but I don't want

1135
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:38,860
The people ever seen to be lost in all of this. So that that's my ask to you guys as you vote for this. Thank you

1136
01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:41,420
I

1137
01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:45,340
Kevin casner 2814 green street

1138
01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:58,380
I'm a public school teacher by profession. Shoop is my summer job

1139
01:34:59,020 --> 01:35:03,580
My love for Shoop comes from the fact that it is simply not a destination

1140
01:35:03,980 --> 01:35:05,980
But a community based golf course

1141
01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:12,220
We in the clubhouse are not going to deny you entry for being three minutes late. There's not a dress code

1142
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:17,740
We are not a course with a week long waiting list for a tea time let alone a year

1143
01:35:18,700 --> 01:35:23,260
I cannot speak against the corporate dollar what I can speak from is my experience

1144
01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:31,420
My experience from getting to know local business owners like miss you who owns the wig shop downtown and utilizes the course daily

1145
01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:39,580
The group of high school kids that I get out every weekend for an extra round because they can I can see how much they care

1146
01:35:40,060 --> 01:35:46,380
And they don't have a school team and they're truly working on getting better. Did I hurt our bottom dollar? Absolutely

1147
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:49,020
It's worth every penny

1148
01:35:49,580 --> 01:35:53,660
Uh the community group that threw a birthday for shoe park

1149
01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:59,500
The old timers that just want to do four and have a miller light the cost of that experience was eight dollars

1150
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:08,940
The group that plays cards once a week the couples i've seen their relationship grow the guy I saw daily last year

1151
01:36:09,580 --> 01:36:12,940
Who expressed to me that this is what he does for his mental health

1152
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:15,420
I haven't seen him in a while. I hope he's okay

1153
01:36:15,980 --> 01:36:20,540
The daily couple that comes into the clubhouse to talk about how they grew up here

1154
01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:22,940
That is why shoop is a destination

1155
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:27,180
The prairie school and the coaches that get to use the property to figure it out

1156
01:36:27,660 --> 01:36:30,220
The windpoint group that does the yearly beach cleanup

1157
01:36:30,700 --> 01:36:35,580
I'm using my time today to speak for those who are not here shoe park needs help

1158
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:38,460
Shoe park does not need to be replaced

1159
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:44,620
I'm going to use what time I have left to challenge the investment group not to create a destination that in my opinion

1160
01:36:45,260 --> 01:36:48,460
Simply will not set itself apart from other options in the state

1161
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:53,660
I challenge you to view us as an as a community course not a corporate opportunity

1162
01:36:54,220 --> 01:36:59,340
I challenge the group of citizens in front of me to look past the one-sided videos on social media

1163
01:36:59,740 --> 01:37:06,620
And honestly the silly AI driven campaigns that provide a laughably false idea of what this will look like

1164
01:37:07,420 --> 01:37:11,500
I challenge the city to continue the train of thought that i've already heard from you

1165
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:16,540
The conversation put forward by the investment group has not been city forward

1166
01:37:17,420 --> 01:37:19,900
The optics are nothing but corporate driven

1167
01:37:20,460 --> 01:37:25,740
Investors you have the opportunity to not replace us but build up what we already have

1168
01:37:26,220 --> 01:37:32,140
The alternative iFIR is a historical community landmark and experience that will simply die

1169
01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:40,620
Jeff new bower 1145 main street

1170
01:37:50,860 --> 01:37:52,860
Thank

1171
01:37:52,860 --> 01:37:58,620
Thank you, mr. Mayor and members of the council. I'm a fourth generation resident of the city of racine

1172
01:37:59,180 --> 01:38:01,340
And i'm here to support this proposal

1173
01:38:02,060 --> 01:38:04,060
Shoop is a wonderful asset

1174
01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:09,580
And it is a very expensive deferred maintenance liability

1175
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:15,900
For no cost of the city residents we can address this enormous deferred

1176
01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:24,140
Maintenance that we've heard about from mr. Rooney and an opportunity to enhance the asset with an amazing investment

1177
01:38:24,620 --> 01:38:28,860
Of ten million dollars. This will be done extremely well

1178
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:31,580
Why can we count on that?

1179
01:38:32,380 --> 01:38:37,820
Because these impressive plans are not just plans on a powerpoint presentation or in a video

1180
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:43,660
This is the leopold johnson family who are the investors and they always do it well

1181
01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:50,940
Every johnson project is done with excellence with beauty and with integrity

1182
01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:54,620
And with a multi-generational perspective

1183
01:38:55,340 --> 01:39:03,420
The johnson's have been here investing in this community for six generations of business people with other generations on the way

1184
01:39:06,460 --> 01:39:09,260
This is not going to solve all the city's problems

1185
01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:11,580
But

1186
01:39:11,580 --> 01:39:17,900
We do avoid 1.8 million dollars in deferred maintenance expense, which the city cannot afford to address

1187
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:22,540
We greatly invest in the property to the tune of 10 million dollars

1188
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:28,860
We generate new money for the city resident for the city government, which we would not otherwise have

1189
01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:33,900
We bring new money to the city from out of town folks

1190
01:39:34,380 --> 01:39:41,340
To spend in our restaurants in our hotels, which creates more jobs for our community than we would otherwise received

1191
01:39:42,220 --> 01:39:46,380
Now i'd like to address the issue of walking on and enjoying the property

1192
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:50,140
I've been doing that for 30 years with my kids

1193
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,780
When gretta was little girl, we would go down there with my mom and her sisters

1194
01:39:55,260 --> 01:40:00,380
And my mom would sit on the shore because she couldn't climb over all the trees and obstacles

1195
01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:08,540
So she sat there we climbed over all that stuff. We had fun now gretta has a five-week old daughter

1196
01:40:09,580 --> 01:40:14,060
I look forward to the day when I can go down there with my grandchildren

1197
01:40:14,860 --> 01:40:19,500
And when i'm not able to climb over all the trees that have been there for 30 years

1198
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:25,900
And to be able to walk on those new paths and really enjoy that land and that landscape

1199
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:31,340
The way it should be enjoyed. So I want to thank you all for the opportunity to speak with you here today

1200
01:40:31,420 --> 01:40:35,100
I want to thank you for your service on the council, which I know isn't always fun

1201
01:40:35,660 --> 01:40:38,300
But you're serving the public and i'm grateful to you

1202
01:40:38,620 --> 01:40:43,340
And I want to urge you to support this proposal for our community and our residents. Thank you

1203
01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:49,900
John McLaughlin 62 harbor view drive

1204
01:40:56,860 --> 01:41:01,660
Thanks very much, mr. Mayor and I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I am in support

1205
01:41:02,380 --> 01:41:03,660
of the

1206
01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:10,300
Shoe proposal. I became aware of it a number of months ago through colleagues that I do golf with it and

1207
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:15,740
You know, I'm taking the mayor's comments to heart. I'm not going to try to reiterate

1208
01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:20,700
Some of the comments are made other than it's clear the investment

1209
01:41:21,420 --> 01:41:25,420
Is substantial it's needed. I don't see a property like this

1210
01:41:26,860 --> 01:41:29,900
Being brought to a reasonable standard without the investment

1211
01:41:29,900 --> 01:41:36,860
But I think the point that I'd like to make the most is I've had the fortunate opportunity to golf at sand valley

1212
01:41:37,340 --> 01:41:39,340
about a month and a half ago

1213
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:42,540
I i'm not from racena originally. I'm from New York

1214
01:41:42,620 --> 01:41:46,140
So I've lived in Wisconsin for about six or seven years

1215
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:49,980
And I couldn't believe it we're in the middle of central, Wisconsin

1216
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:54,700
And i'm seeing these amazing sand dunes and I felt like it was on the coast

1217
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:57,100
So I'm looking at sand valley

1218
01:41:57,980 --> 01:42:01,100
I'm looking at whistling straights and i'm saying well these communities

1219
01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:06,540
Were able to figure it out. They were clearly disruptions to those communities

1220
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:11,660
They clearly had to go through some with the one to call it pain or whatever

1221
01:42:12,380 --> 01:42:16,060
But the the outcome was amazing and I do believe

1222
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:21,740
Knowing some of my fellow golfers that we are drawn to destinations like this

1223
01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:26,300
We want to play courses like this. We want to play. We want to invest in the hotels

1224
01:42:26,300 --> 01:42:30,780
We want to eat at the restaurants. We want to drive revenue to these communities

1225
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:33,020
It's

1226
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:39,420
And I see the young kids at work at these places. It brings them employment opportunities

1227
01:42:39,820 --> 01:42:43,500
It's to me. It's a win win for everybody and you know again

1228
01:42:44,300 --> 01:42:50,060
I'll go back to my point. I saw what they did at sand valley. It is it is just absolutely spectacular

1229
01:42:50,780 --> 01:42:56,940
And living in downtown resine i'm i'm all for the community. I want to see resine succeed

1230
01:42:57,260 --> 01:43:00,060
I think this would be just a tremendous asset for the community

1231
01:43:00,460 --> 01:43:03,820
And I know my golfing colleagues from around the united states

1232
01:43:04,780 --> 01:43:06,780
We as pointed out earlier

1233
01:43:06,780 --> 01:43:11,980
Come to resine come to sand valley come to whistling straights amazing amazing

1234
01:43:12,860 --> 01:43:15,660
Opportunity for a seer and I hope you'll vote for it. Thank you

1235
01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:18,220
I

1236
01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:21,900
John baton 3430 michigan bollabar

1237
01:43:30,700 --> 01:43:36,460
Thank you, mr. Mayor good evening everyone. I'm glad I didn't have to follow jesse. I'm going to be not that energetic

1238
01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:38,780
I just

1239
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:43,180
Everyone here was asking the right questions and I definitely feel the passion

1240
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:47,500
Uh of the teacher. I'm sorry. I forgot your name. That's where I learned to play golf too

1241
01:43:48,460 --> 01:43:50,940
40 50 50 years ago or so

1242
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:53,660
Um chute park is a special place

1243
01:43:53,980 --> 01:43:59,660
Um, but I think we have to be honest that it's not a priority for the city. We can see

1244
01:44:00,380 --> 01:44:02,380
What's happened over the past few decades

1245
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:06,860
It hasn't gotten better probably and this is no fault to the people working there

1246
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:10,300
They're working with a limited budget and you have priorities

1247
01:44:10,460 --> 01:44:12,860
Um, which I will say in the city of rosine

1248
01:44:13,580 --> 01:44:19,340
There are priorities. There's significantly more important than the chute park golf infrastructure

1249
01:44:20,060 --> 01:44:21,340
um

1250
01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:22,460
But

1251
01:44:22,460 --> 01:44:28,780
This is I want to say a once in a lifetime opportunity, but it is the opportunity to bring something world-class

1252
01:44:29,260 --> 01:44:31,900
Uh to our area something to make it unique

1253
01:44:32,460 --> 01:44:34,220
um, I definitely

1254
01:44:34,220 --> 01:44:35,740
also feel

1255
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:40,300
The emotion and the concern about making it affordable for rosine residents

1256
01:44:40,700 --> 01:44:44,940
Particularly students young people learning to golf looking for a place for employment

1257
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:51,660
So I'm sure that there would be an appetite in corporate rosine to help with some scholarships

1258
01:44:52,060 --> 01:44:54,700
Or something for young people to keep the cost

1259
01:44:55,180 --> 01:45:01,420
Affordable to those just learning the game wanting to get involved so it's not necessarily the daily rate, but I would encourage

1260
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:06,620
Uh the council to reach out to see what we can do to help particularly with the young golfers

1261
01:45:06,940 --> 01:45:12,620
To make it affordable for them because this is a gateway to a whole nother industry and opportunity

1262
01:45:12,940 --> 01:45:16,700
Young kids going out there to work at a at a what this facility will be like

1263
01:45:16,940 --> 01:45:20,300
I've been very blessed of been able to play abandoned dunes in sand valley

1264
01:45:20,940 --> 01:45:22,940
They are absolutely spectacular

1265
01:45:23,260 --> 01:45:24,380
um

1266
01:45:24,380 --> 01:45:26,380
This will be too and it just

1267
01:45:27,260 --> 01:45:30,940
Growing up, um with the johnson's. I just have to reiterate

1268
01:45:31,420 --> 01:45:36,940
That their commitment to the environment and making sure that this is absolutely what they're going to say it's going to be

1269
01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:43,900
I think it will be I just you have to trust that this will be a truly spectacular gem

1270
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:46,220
On lake michigan and again

1271
01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:52,300
I understand your concerns about accessibility and how this brings more opportunities that people in the city rosine

1272
01:45:52,620 --> 01:45:54,700
I would also look at it as again

1273
01:45:55,660 --> 01:45:59,260
Just the 1.8 million, but what you don't have to invest in this

1274
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:02,620
Someone else is investing it. You're purely drawing revenue

1275
01:46:03,020 --> 01:46:06,380
You can take those costs that you did those funds that you didn't have to invest

1276
01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:12,380
And the ongoing revenue and apply it to things that we all know that could be you know higher priority for the residents of rosine

1277
01:46:12,460 --> 01:46:14,460
So thank you very much. Thank you mr. Mayor

1278
01:46:17,020 --> 01:46:19,020
Vinnie rotino 2312 Kinsey

1279
01:46:30,220 --> 01:46:32,220
I

1280
01:46:35,660 --> 01:46:37,900
Hello everybody. I'm bringing my daughters up

1281
01:46:39,820 --> 01:46:46,060
I'll be brief because they're not making it all the way here to the end, but my name is vinnie rotino

1282
01:46:46,380 --> 01:46:47,340
Um

1283
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:52,460
I'm lucky enough to do broadcasting for the mohawkie brewers. I'm the color commentator for the mohawkie brewers

1284
01:46:53,020 --> 01:46:55,580
Born and raised here in racene love this community

1285
01:46:56,300 --> 01:46:58,940
We're never leaving my wife and I both born and raised here

1286
01:46:59,420 --> 01:47:04,220
Raising our three daughters and this is an opportunity to put an absolute gem here in this community

1287
01:47:04,700 --> 01:47:09,660
Um, it's just kind of a no-brainer. I'm just I'm not going to reiterate everything that everybody else said

1288
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:14,380
I had an opportunity to play at erin hills yesterday actually coincidentally

1289
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:17,820
I'm not good enough of a golfer to play at erin hills

1290
01:47:18,620 --> 01:47:21,580
And luckily I didn't have to pay the greens fee of 450 dollars

1291
01:47:22,140 --> 01:47:23,580
um

1292
01:47:23,660 --> 01:47:26,540
And I'll tell you that um

1293
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:32,140
Up and down the driving range there was people from all over the place. Okay

1294
01:47:33,020 --> 01:47:35,340
You're hearing all kinds of different accents

1295
01:47:36,140 --> 01:47:39,500
At at the driving range and i'm talking to the cat. He was a friend of mine

1296
01:47:40,060 --> 01:47:44,300
And I said where are these people coming from and where are they going after this?

1297
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:49,900
He said they're going to go to whistling straights. They're going to go to sand valley. They're going to go to all the other

1298
01:47:50,220 --> 01:47:53,660
Marquis golf courses around the state

1299
01:47:54,300 --> 01:47:58,380
Raising Wisconsin will be another one of those destinations for these people

1300
01:47:58,460 --> 01:48:03,340
Okay, and so we're talking about people from scotland ireland england all over the place

1301
01:48:03,900 --> 01:48:06,300
Australia people they just want to play golf

1302
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:08,460
Okay, and play at the most marquee places

1303
01:48:08,780 --> 01:48:15,340
And so now all of a sudden we're going to get an opportunity here in raising to play at a place like that for 24 dollars or 36

1304
01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:18,060
Dollars whatever it's going to be. I mean no-brainer

1305
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:24,300
Um, so yes in the baseball theme people will come. Okay, if you build it people will come

1306
01:48:24,860 --> 01:48:25,980
um

1307
01:48:25,980 --> 01:48:32,860
The other thing is sand valley employs 300 junior caddies. Okay, this is the kinds of group they employ 300 junior caddies

1308
01:48:33,020 --> 01:48:34,060
um

1309
01:48:34,060 --> 01:48:37,180
Oh, my daughter keeps putting this picture of the golf course on my

1310
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:43,500
On my notes here and there's no there's no better stewards of this community than

1311
01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:46,460
Craig and Helen there there just isn't

1312
01:48:47,020 --> 01:48:48,140
And

1313
01:48:48,140 --> 01:48:55,100
You know, I have an opportunity to know connor their son also he's going to follow in their footsteps. It's just going to happen

1314
01:48:55,580 --> 01:48:57,580
Okay, so um

1315
01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:58,780
Yeah

1316
01:48:58,780 --> 01:49:02,460
I guess I wasn't brief that's tv talk for me three minutes

1317
01:49:03,340 --> 01:49:04,380
so

1318
01:49:04,380 --> 01:49:06,460
Uh, I hope you guys vote for it. Thank you

1319
01:49:06,460 --> 01:49:08,460
You

1320
01:49:09,980 --> 01:49:12,700
Karen johnson 5062 hunt club road

1321
01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:21,020
Hello, um, hello

1322
01:49:21,340 --> 01:49:22,220
Um

1323
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:29,180
Tonight you will vote to determine the future of chute park a scrappy municipal course with million dollar views as the developer once said

1324
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:31,580
It doesn't belong to the developer

1325
01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:38,220
In 1917 dr. Clarendon and Ida chute needed the land to the city with an explicit unshakable condition

1326
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:46,140
And uh, I have the deed here that says the property shell forever be held maintained and improved by the city of rasine

1327
01:49:46,460 --> 01:49:48,860
For public park services. There's his deed

1328
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:55,660
Up until this morning the lighthouse dunes video stated that dr. chute established a park and golf course

1329
01:49:56,140 --> 01:50:01,420
In 1929 to remain a golf course forever. I think they wanted to establish that this was always dr

1330
01:50:01,420 --> 01:50:03,660
chute's wish but they took it off today

1331
01:50:04,300 --> 01:50:08,460
Dr. chute died five years before golf was added so it was never his wish

1332
01:50:09,260 --> 01:50:13,580
Chute park was not purchased by the city via public funds or general municipal use

1333
01:50:13,660 --> 01:50:17,180
It was an absolute benevolent gift to the citizens of rasine

1334
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:25,420
Under wisconsin property law accepting land dedicated forever creates a permanent charity charitable trust and a restrictive covenant

1335
01:50:25,740 --> 01:50:32,620
The city of rasine merely serves as a fiduciary trustee and the general public remains the sole legal beneficiary

1336
01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:39,500
Furthermore only yesterday did the developer post the pricing structure for residents

1337
01:50:39,980 --> 01:50:46,780
In the agenda for today's meeting chute park proposed terms. You might want to read that the developer says after two years

1338
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:52,220
The reduced rate will only be available to rasine city residents

1339
01:50:52,780 --> 01:50:58,300
Everyone else will be subjected to the premium pricing including windpoint residents where the club will be

1340
01:50:59,740 --> 01:51:05,580
Will be placed and that's my unpleasant. That's everything and the developer hasn't even told you

1341
01:51:06,140 --> 01:51:10,940
What the price is going to be? What is that price? Is it a hundred? It should be probably a hundred and 150

1342
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:13,900
Right now we pay nine to twelve dollars

1343
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:21,820
So also another thing is their vision is clear cutting the entire shoreline to mimic a scottish coastline

1344
01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:27,740
It will completely wipe out the trees and natural habitat that over 270 bird species reliant

1345
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:33,020
Chute park is also a recognized as a critical migratory stop over along lake michigan

1346
01:51:33,180 --> 01:51:41,260
The wisconsin dnr and other regulatory agencies are unequivocally clear about the absolute necessity of protecting our natural coastlines

1347
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:43,580
Destroying this decadent

1348
01:51:43,580 --> 01:51:50,780
Delicate ecosystem for a manufactured fairway flies directly in the face of established environmental stewardship

1349
01:51:51,180 --> 01:51:53,340
as the state and state guidelines

1350
01:51:54,380 --> 01:51:55,340
also

1351
01:51:55,340 --> 01:51:59,740
The fear of the bluff collapsing is a manufactured crisis to get a scottish doing

1352
01:52:00,540 --> 01:52:04,780
Actually the figure from 2020 was only 80 feet that was lost

1353
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:08,540
So we have recently formed a citizens for chute park

1354
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:13,260
Organization and we plan to fight if you vote. Yes, we will be going to

1355
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:16,940
The attorney general. Thank you

1356
01:52:21,580 --> 01:52:26,300
Richard pierce russon 1115 white sandling

1357
01:52:29,260 --> 01:52:31,260
Thank you and good evening

1358
01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:37,900
As a physician in internal medicine a lake michigan kayaker. I'm not a golfer. Sorry

1359
01:52:39,260 --> 01:52:42,860
And a resident of windpoints since 1994. I appreciate this opportunity

1360
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:46,220
I have been having listened to the questions

1361
01:52:47,180 --> 01:52:49,980
Before you and the answers i'll pair it down

1362
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:56,620
Yes, the hoy report is very important central the emphasized trees and grassland

1363
01:52:57,020 --> 01:53:00,940
Grassland is important for all of the habitat infrastructure, etc, etc

1364
01:53:01,420 --> 01:53:05,500
Please be aware of that cognizant of it and I appreciate the attention to that

1365
01:53:05,820 --> 01:53:09,500
I don't hear that that's enough of a of attention on this proposal

1366
01:53:10,540 --> 01:53:12,540
The implications of pesticides and

1367
01:53:13,180 --> 01:53:16,620
Fertilizers, I hear that it's going to run off into lake michigan

1368
01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:19,500
algal plumes are going to follow

1369
01:53:19,820 --> 01:53:22,700
We and I appreciate that it's going to be minimal minimized

1370
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:31,420
Nevertheless, we need to have consideration of a mound perhaps of a septic system that captures and filters that before it goes out to lake michigan

1371
01:53:31,740 --> 01:53:34,700
Maybe you want to run off in case there's a huge flood or something

1372
01:53:34,780 --> 01:53:40,140
But some infrastructure that protects our shoreline, which is very delicate for habitat and for water quality

1373
01:53:40,540 --> 01:53:42,540
Which we are all drinking from

1374
01:53:43,180 --> 01:53:47,740
The loss of broad public access kayaker golfer photographer

1375
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:50,540
Pensive reflection purpose

1376
01:53:50,780 --> 01:53:55,500
These are dog walker proposals or weddings. These are the sorts of things

1377
01:53:55,980 --> 01:54:00,540
I don't want to have to go to a golf club or to a clubhouse in order to launch kayak

1378
01:54:00,860 --> 01:54:07,900
You cannot launch from lake from the windpoint. That's a treacherous and dangerous place to launch from currently my wife and I launched

1379
01:54:08,540 --> 01:54:10,540
From the parking lot at shoe park

1380
01:54:10,780 --> 01:54:18,700
Yes, the walkway is narrowed. Yes, we still navigate that but that's the place to to learn from can you somehow figure out how to get

1381
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:22,140
Access to the lake for petalsports for instance

1382
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:26,620
Shoe park has mentioned was bequeathed. That isn't negotiable

1383
01:54:27,020 --> 01:54:28,540
We have to honor that

1384
01:54:28,540 --> 01:54:35,180
Original request for public lands or a veteran's home or an old man's home as I heard that it was described accurately so

1385
01:54:36,140 --> 01:54:40,380
finally sam johnson himself fought publicly against we energies

1386
01:54:41,020 --> 01:54:45,260
Against the expansion of the oak creek coal fire plant his driving principles

1387
01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:48,380
Where that he took the long view for the community

1388
01:54:49,420 --> 01:54:55,900
He took it seriously quote based on quality of life issues with our people the health of our people the health of our families and my family

1389
01:54:56,540 --> 01:55:02,460
And he talked to richard abato at ceo if i'm pronouncing that correctly of we energies and we really got a nope

1390
01:55:02,780 --> 01:55:09,420
Comprehensive answers they just went out charging with their plan and they were going to sell this plan to the community. I felt a little bit brushed off

1391
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:16,220
Well, I feel a little bit brushed off too and I asked for yes refresh that golf course it needs it

1392
01:55:16,940 --> 01:55:21,500
Get broad community import and access to the lake for people who want it and have it now

1393
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:23,980
But are going to lose it dedicated golf now

1394
01:55:24,780 --> 01:55:28,620
Listen to expert guidance and get a consultant to advise you. Thank you

1395
01:55:28,780 --> 01:55:30,780
You

1396
01:55:31,740 --> 01:55:33,740
Harry Schultz 539 Newman Road

1397
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:43,100
Um, I have a couple issues that I feel have not been addressed

1398
01:55:45,180 --> 01:55:51,500
I I I guess we know there will be caddies at the golf course. So I'd like to know if the caddies will be required

1399
01:55:52,780 --> 01:55:54,460
And also

1400
01:55:54,460 --> 01:55:57,020
I'm not really sure if there's going to be golf carts

1401
01:55:57,660 --> 01:56:03,980
And if there are golf carts are the golf carts going to be required because these would be additional things making the

1402
01:56:04,700 --> 01:56:09,980
golf course less affordable for probably city-reseen residents and others

1403
01:56:11,580 --> 01:56:13,580
and um

1404
01:56:14,700 --> 01:56:19,020
And I guess this is the first time I've heard tonight that the

1405
01:56:19,980 --> 01:56:22,620
the fee for an unreseen residence will be

1406
01:56:23,660 --> 01:56:26,540
as high as possible we're told and

1407
01:56:27,500 --> 01:56:29,020
I guess I

1408
01:56:29,020 --> 01:56:31,980
Figure that was brought up was a hundred and fifty dollars

1409
01:56:33,340 --> 01:56:35,340
So you have to consider that

1410
01:56:35,900 --> 01:56:43,100
You know you have bob and joe go to case high school one lives in the city-reseen one lives in Mount Pleasant

1411
01:56:44,460 --> 01:56:46,460
The

1412
01:56:46,700 --> 01:56:51,100
Kid from Mount Pleasant will have to pay a hundred and fifty dollars to go off with his friend that pays

1413
01:56:52,380 --> 01:56:56,620
24 or 35 dollars or something like that. So it's kind of a

1414
01:56:57,900 --> 01:56:59,900
It

1415
01:57:00,860 --> 01:57:05,100
Will not be all that affordable for a majority of the people really

1416
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:09,500
And

1417
01:57:10,300 --> 01:57:15,340
And you also question I also question whether it's sustainable to

1418
01:57:17,820 --> 01:57:23,180
Have such an expensive golf course that it's not going to make any money. It's never going to pay for itself

1419
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:26,700
maybe

1420
01:57:26,780 --> 01:57:28,460
a less

1421
01:57:28,460 --> 01:57:29,900
elaborate

1422
01:57:29,900 --> 01:57:33,900
Less expensive version of restoring it would make more sense

1423
01:57:34,940 --> 01:57:36,940
Thank you

1424
01:57:38,940 --> 01:57:40,940
Adam mattson 5444 mile road

1425
01:57:40,940 --> 01:57:42,940
For my room

1426
01:57:51,980 --> 01:57:55,580
Good evening, my name is Adam mattson. I don't technically live in the city of raseen

1427
01:57:55,580 --> 01:57:58,300
But I own a lot of property here. I pay taxes here

1428
01:57:58,700 --> 01:58:02,220
And we're extensively in raseen and i've been deeply invested in this community

1429
01:58:02,700 --> 01:58:06,380
I'm here tonight simply to voice my support for the proposed part project

1430
01:58:06,620 --> 01:58:11,660
I think it's a great opportunity for the city and a positive investment in one of raseen's unique late front assets

1431
01:58:12,460 --> 01:58:17,500
I hope the community supports the proposal and moves it forward. There's plenty of time for everybody else

1432
01:58:21,420 --> 01:58:23,900
Remi oscarson 2614 indian trail

1433
01:58:29,820 --> 01:58:31,900
Good morning. It's good to see you here

1434
01:58:31,900 --> 01:58:38,060
I've heard a lot of talk about what's good for the young people here and well here i am

1435
01:58:40,220 --> 01:58:43,020
On this year. I will be a senior at the prairie school

1436
01:58:43,980 --> 01:58:47,340
And this year will be my 13th year at that school

1437
01:58:48,860 --> 01:58:52,300
Now i've grown up a lot here and spent a lot of time here and

1438
01:58:53,260 --> 01:58:57,580
Just in this committee. I've heard four reasons for this

1439
01:58:58,220 --> 01:59:00,220
This

1440
01:59:00,220 --> 01:59:01,660
development

1441
01:59:01,660 --> 01:59:07,900
The first is the crumbling infrastructure and to that I say we do not need to double the size of golf course

1442
01:59:08,780 --> 01:59:10,780
To fix a few aging buildings

1443
01:59:11,900 --> 01:59:13,900
The second the second. Sorry

1444
01:59:15,260 --> 01:59:17,100
Is the ecosystem

1445
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:20,700
It shouldn't take you someone who just finished biology and past

1446
01:59:21,340 --> 01:59:26,780
To tell you that the roots of trees and plants is what clings to the soil

1447
01:59:27,020 --> 01:59:29,020
And absorbs the water

1448
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:32,300
I do not see how this proposal will mitigate

1449
01:59:33,660 --> 01:59:35,660
That erosion

1450
01:59:35,660 --> 01:59:41,500
The third is that this will be a destination for people far and wide to come to

1451
01:59:43,420 --> 01:59:48,220
Now that I say through my time growing up here. I've spent a lot of time in this area

1452
01:59:48,940 --> 01:59:50,940
If I can speak to it for a moment

1453
01:59:51,660 --> 01:59:57,180
I've spent time growing up and being with my mother watching the fireworks on the shore

1454
01:59:58,060 --> 02:00:05,100
It's where we went for field trip in third grade to the top of white house where I chained out and went down halfway through

1455
02:00:06,620 --> 02:00:10,220
It's where I've walked around with my father and spent time with him

1456
02:00:12,780 --> 02:00:14,380
And

1457
02:00:14,380 --> 02:00:20,220
This place very near to my school. I've seen almost every day for 13 years straight

1458
02:00:21,820 --> 02:00:27,820
We do not need a corporatized Disneyland. We need a place that is near and dear to us

1459
02:00:30,220 --> 02:00:38,140
When I'm say 40 years old 30 years from now, I like a place for my kids that I had to

1460
02:00:39,740 --> 02:00:43,020
And the fourth reason is that I heard that there's ice cream in it for me

1461
02:00:45,740 --> 02:00:49,340
I have culvers for that and I cannot be brought by ice cream

1462
02:00:51,180 --> 02:00:58,940
I do not want anything the strings attached and I want this to be public land that I can enjoy for my time and for my children's time

1463
02:00:59,580 --> 02:01:01,580
Thank you

1464
02:01:04,700 --> 02:01:06,700
I concludes the public input

1465
02:01:07,180 --> 02:01:12,220
And it takes us to the item that is before us. This is item zero six zero nine dash two six

1466
02:01:12,780 --> 02:01:17,500
Communication sponsored by mayor mason requesting to authorize the mayor and city clerk to enter into an agreement

1467
02:01:17,900 --> 02:01:20,700
Relievable johnson golf group for shoreline stabilization

1468
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:27,420
Habitat restoration clubhouse construction and a long-term lease for the operation and maintenance of chute park

1469
02:01:27,980 --> 02:01:29,980
Is there a motion to approve the item?

1470
02:01:30,940 --> 02:01:33,660
So a motion by alderland to approve is there a second

1471
02:01:34,780 --> 02:01:36,780
Second by alder pete

1472
02:01:36,780 --> 02:01:39,740
Discussion alderland you made the motion. Did you want to speak to your motion?

1473
02:01:41,820 --> 02:01:45,340
Yes, I'm very excited about this proposal and I

1474
02:01:45,820 --> 02:01:48,940
Thank you for your investment in your time coming here

1475
02:01:49,660 --> 02:01:53,100
Um when it was first brought up to us. I had a couple of

1476
02:01:53,660 --> 02:01:55,900
Things that I had questions about

1477
02:01:56,460 --> 02:02:02,540
Both of those questions have been answered to my satisfaction and I think this is wonderful

1478
02:02:02,780 --> 02:02:05,420
I don't think that we have the money

1479
02:02:06,300 --> 02:02:09,020
To take care of chute park like we should

1480
02:02:09,900 --> 02:02:13,580
Be able to so I think that this is just a great

1481
02:02:14,300 --> 02:02:19,580
investment for the city of racene and I support this wholeheartedly

1482
02:02:21,820 --> 02:02:23,820
Alder man

1483
02:02:23,820 --> 02:02:25,820
Thank you

1484
02:02:26,060 --> 02:02:27,100
Clearly

1485
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:29,900
There's been a lot of give and take it appears between

1486
02:02:30,700 --> 02:02:32,700
our first meeting

1487
02:02:33,820 --> 02:02:39,580
And today and I'm assuming knowing the way that negotiations work

1488
02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:42,380
Um

1489
02:02:42,380 --> 02:02:45,180
Nobody got exactly what they wanted

1490
02:02:46,140 --> 02:02:47,980
but um

1491
02:02:47,980 --> 02:02:50,620
If both parties feel that it's fair

1492
02:02:51,580 --> 02:02:54,540
Then uh, hopefully it's considered a win-win

1493
02:02:55,420 --> 02:02:58,460
My first job at the age of 14. I was a

1494
02:02:59,740 --> 02:03:01,740
Freshman in high school

1495
02:03:02,300 --> 02:03:07,420
Was down the street from my home in the town of summers. It was at a golf course

1496
02:03:07,980 --> 02:03:09,980
Petrifying springs

1497
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:11,980
That was a county golf course

1498
02:03:12,540 --> 02:03:15,420
It was also considered a public park

1499
02:03:16,540 --> 02:03:19,900
Even though they charge people to come on the golf course

1500
02:03:20,700 --> 02:03:22,700
And play a round of golf

1501
02:03:23,820 --> 02:03:26,860
That job taught me about responsibility

1502
02:03:28,380 --> 02:03:30,380
Showing up on time

1503
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:37,100
Waking up at four in the morning so I could be there at five a.m. on saturday and sunday mornings

1504
02:03:37,580 --> 02:03:39,580
Um

1505
02:03:40,780 --> 02:03:46,060
Taught me how to interact with customers

1506
02:03:47,900 --> 02:03:51,500
How to manage money because the first time I had a job

1507
02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:54,380
and back then although the

1508
02:03:54,780 --> 02:03:58,700
Minimum wage I think was three dollars an hour. I was only making two dollars

1509
02:04:00,140 --> 02:04:02,380
The next year I got a raise of 10 cents

1510
02:04:03,580 --> 02:04:05,580
and at some point they

1511
02:04:07,580 --> 02:04:10,540
Raised it up to uh to minimum wage, but it was a good job

1512
02:04:11,500 --> 02:04:14,780
And I anticipate that young people in our community

1513
02:04:15,580 --> 02:04:18,140
May have the same opportunity I had

1514
02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:21,020
at uh shoe park

1515
02:04:22,460 --> 02:04:29,020
I've golf shoe park a few years back with some friends on a saturday or an all friday afternoon

1516
02:04:30,060 --> 02:04:32,060
We were the only ones out there

1517
02:04:32,940 --> 02:04:37,020
It rained the night before so as one of the speakers alluded to

1518
02:04:38,140 --> 02:04:42,780
My shoes were soaked by the time I got back to my car

1519
02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:47,660
I didn't anticipate that but I had never golfed it before

1520
02:04:49,580 --> 02:04:52,140
We joked that it was whistling straight south

1521
02:04:53,180 --> 02:04:55,180
Sitting on the lake the way it was

1522
02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:59,500
And now we have a proposal before us that will

1523
02:05:00,460 --> 02:05:05,260
actually upgrade the park and make it uh significant

1524
02:05:07,980 --> 02:05:09,820
There's a lot of

1525
02:05:09,820 --> 02:05:13,660
banter back and forth in social media about shoe park

1526
02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:16,460
That it's intended to be a public park

1527
02:05:18,060 --> 02:05:23,660
A golf course is a public park if it's owned by a municipality

1528
02:05:24,540 --> 02:05:29,260
We hear how we loved a picnic there, but there's no picnic tables

1529
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:33,980
Outside of one outside the clubhouse at shoe park. So I'm not sure

1530
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:37,340
Where the picnic is taking place

1531
02:05:38,380 --> 02:05:38,860
uh

1532
02:05:38,860 --> 02:05:43,260
I've never taken my family and put out a blanket on the eighth green and uh

1533
02:05:44,220 --> 02:05:50,300
pulled out a sandwich and some sodas and told the grandkids hey, we're gonna have a picnic here

1534
02:05:51,180 --> 02:05:56,540
We don't hike it. I'd be afraid of the grandkids getting hit by

1535
02:05:57,660 --> 02:05:59,660
random golf balls

1536
02:05:59,820 --> 02:06:02,060
my dad told me a cute story today and

1537
02:06:02,860 --> 02:06:04,860
when he was a kid

1538
02:06:05,020 --> 02:06:05,980
He

1539
02:06:05,980 --> 02:06:12,860
Went down to shoe park and he didn't know what golf was and he got all excited because he uh kept finding these golf balls

1540
02:06:13,260 --> 02:06:16,300
And he's loading up his pocket and turns out

1541
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:21,020
People were playing golf and he was taking golf balls that were in play

1542
02:06:22,220 --> 02:06:23,340
um

1543
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:25,500
so

1544
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:27,100
While it would be nice to

1545
02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:33,180
Maybe put a playground in there to maybe create a forested area

1546
02:06:34,060 --> 02:06:36,220
I do have to remind you it was a brickyard

1547
02:06:37,740 --> 02:06:39,740
Back, I think the 1800s

1548
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:43,020
um

1549
02:06:43,020 --> 02:06:45,260
So it wasn't

1550
02:06:45,260 --> 02:06:47,260
Park space. It wasn't green space

1551
02:06:48,140 --> 02:06:50,140
It wasn't dunes

1552
02:06:50,620 --> 02:06:52,780
It was kind of an industrial area

1553
02:06:53,820 --> 02:06:55,820
And when the brickyards went away it

1554
02:06:56,700 --> 02:06:58,700
Somebody converted it

1555
02:06:59,420 --> 02:07:01,420
It is a golf course

1556
02:07:02,220 --> 02:07:07,820
It has been a golf course for a very very long time

1557
02:07:08,540 --> 02:07:10,540
If

1558
02:07:11,980 --> 02:07:16,060
Those here on the council want it to be something else

1559
02:07:18,380 --> 02:07:20,940
Then we have to find the money for that

1560
02:07:22,940 --> 02:07:25,100
But I don't see that happening

1561
02:07:26,860 --> 02:07:31,420
Whether the Johnson leopold group or the city

1562
02:07:32,300 --> 02:07:34,300
It

1563
02:07:34,300 --> 02:07:39,340
Maintains it it will be a golf course for quite a while

1564
02:07:40,620 --> 02:07:42,620
If we maintain it

1565
02:07:43,580 --> 02:07:45,580
I don't anticipate it being

1566
02:07:46,540 --> 02:07:50,940
A well maintained course and that's just the facts and the reality

1567
02:07:51,900 --> 02:07:53,900
That we're dealing with

1568
02:07:57,740 --> 02:07:59,740
We have a family

1569
02:08:01,900 --> 02:08:03,900
That's investing their money

1570
02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:07,340
Whether or not they've created an LLC or corporate

1571
02:08:07,900 --> 02:08:13,900
I don't see this as a corporate takeover of a municipal park

1572
02:08:15,260 --> 02:08:17,100
It's a family

1573
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:19,820
From what I understand mr. leopold is passionate

1574
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:23,100
about golf

1575
02:08:23,820 --> 02:08:25,820
And he can afford to

1576
02:08:27,820 --> 02:08:29,820
Invest

1577
02:08:29,820 --> 02:08:32,940
In upgrading a beautiful park

1578
02:08:34,460 --> 02:08:36,460
That we have

1579
02:08:38,140 --> 02:08:40,140
He is

1580
02:08:40,140 --> 02:08:43,180
Replacing infrastructure that we don't have the dollars for

1581
02:08:46,300 --> 02:08:49,740
The shoreline will still need to be protected. We don't have the dollars for that

1582
02:08:51,740 --> 02:08:52,860
I

1583
02:08:52,860 --> 02:08:54,860
Used to take my grandson down there

1584
02:08:55,820 --> 02:09:00,940
Three years old and we'd go looking for rocks down on the beach

1585
02:09:01,740 --> 02:09:03,740
Right there by the parking lot

1586
02:09:03,980 --> 02:09:07,180
We'd go down those rickety old stairs. You weren't supposed to go down

1587
02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:10,460
And he'd load up his pocket and

1588
02:09:11,420 --> 02:09:18,620
I am not going to vote for anything that is going to take that experience away from other grandchildren or other children

1589
02:09:19,260 --> 02:09:24,940
In fact, the last time I went down there it was not very attractive

1590
02:09:26,860 --> 02:09:30,460
It wasn't maintained there were trees and things all over the place

1591
02:09:32,220 --> 02:09:34,220
And so

1592
02:09:35,900 --> 02:09:37,900
We have an investment in the shoreline

1593
02:09:38,860 --> 02:09:40,860
We have a parking lot that

1594
02:09:42,060 --> 02:09:44,060
Is

1595
02:09:44,700 --> 02:09:46,700
In desperate need of repair

1596
02:09:47,340 --> 02:09:49,340
We don't have the money to do that

1597
02:09:51,740 --> 02:09:54,300
We have a clubhouse that's in desperate need of repair

1598
02:09:55,500 --> 02:09:57,500
We don't have the money to do that

1599
02:09:58,620 --> 02:10:01,580
We have a maintenance shed that's in desperate need of repair

1600
02:10:02,540 --> 02:10:04,540
We don't have the money to do that

1601
02:10:05,660 --> 02:10:07,660
We have to build a fire station

1602
02:10:08,620 --> 02:10:10,620
We have to build a police station

1603
02:10:11,420 --> 02:10:14,140
We're building a community center and a health center

1604
02:10:17,580 --> 02:10:23,660
We don't have the money to invest in our park in the village of windpoint

1605
02:10:25,580 --> 02:10:28,300
And yet we have a responsibility for that

1606
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:39,260
Whether or not the johnson leopold family pulls out in 10 years or 50 years

1607
02:10:39,500 --> 02:10:45,580
We have an investment if after 10 years they say we're walking away from that

1608
02:10:45,580 --> 02:10:47,420
I don't anticipate that will happen

1609
02:10:48,620 --> 02:10:50,620
But we never know

1610
02:10:51,340 --> 02:10:55,580
That's 10 years that we don't have to put money into shoe park

1611
02:10:58,540 --> 02:11:02,060
10 years that we don't have to put maintenance dollars into the park

1612
02:11:03,260 --> 02:11:05,260
Because they will be

1613
02:11:05,660 --> 02:11:07,660
maintaining it

1614
02:11:08,460 --> 02:11:10,460
They'll be cutting the grass

1615
02:11:10,620 --> 02:11:12,620
They'll be paying the water bills

1616
02:11:12,860 --> 02:11:14,860
They'll be fertilizing it

1617
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:19,100
And they're the ones taking the risk on it

1618
02:11:21,260 --> 02:11:25,260
I think both mr. leopold and miss johnson have both indicated

1619
02:11:26,700 --> 02:11:29,100
They don't see this as a cash cow

1620
02:11:30,860 --> 02:11:32,860
This isn't something that they're going to

1621
02:11:34,540 --> 02:11:36,540
Make a lot of money off of

1622
02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:43,580
They're doing it because that family has cared for this community for five generations

1623
02:11:45,900 --> 02:11:48,860
Going back to sc johnson the founder

1624
02:11:50,460 --> 02:11:52,460
hf johnson

1625
02:11:53,420 --> 02:11:56,140
Senior who I think started the community foundation

1626
02:11:58,460 --> 02:12:05,580
Generation after generation has invested back into this community and they've called it home

1627
02:12:07,660 --> 02:12:11,100
Dedicated golfers

1628
02:12:13,500 --> 02:12:15,980
Who enjoy the game of golf who live here

1629
02:12:16,940 --> 02:12:19,980
Are going to realize that at $24

1630
02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:25,580
Or at the highest nine hole golf rate at johnson park

1631
02:12:26,700 --> 02:12:28,940
Playing a golf course of this caliber

1632
02:12:30,700 --> 02:12:32,700
Is going to be a bargain

1633
02:12:32,700 --> 02:12:39,500
Will a person like me who plays once every 10 years

1634
02:12:40,780 --> 02:12:43,900
Want to challenge myself to playing at shoot park

1635
02:12:46,300 --> 02:12:48,300
Probably not

1636
02:12:49,420 --> 02:12:54,780
I can go to johnson park or washington park or ice grove

1637
02:12:56,300 --> 02:13:00,620
But on the other hand, I wouldn't mind trying it just to see what it's like

1638
02:13:01,420 --> 02:13:03,900
What are the intangible benefits

1639
02:13:05,980 --> 02:13:09,340
Of having this investment in this golf course

1640
02:13:10,620 --> 02:13:12,620
tourism

1641
02:13:14,780 --> 02:13:16,780
People coming into the community

1642
02:13:18,060 --> 02:13:21,180
They could stay at one of win points finest hotels

1643
02:13:22,380 --> 02:13:25,820
Oh, wait a minute. I don't think win point has a hotel

1644
02:13:27,340 --> 02:13:29,340
But they could stay at the verdant

1645
02:13:30,300 --> 02:13:32,460
Or

1646
02:13:32,460 --> 02:13:35,020
The other hotels in the area

1647
02:13:35,740 --> 02:13:38,220
They could come downtown and take in our beautiful

1648
02:13:39,340 --> 02:13:41,420
Lake front eat at one of our fine restaurants

1649
02:13:43,020 --> 02:13:48,940
Go shop at dimples or some of the other fine stores that we have here before they head back out

1650
02:13:50,460 --> 02:13:54,540
And hit another golf course on their week long expedition

1651
02:13:59,980 --> 02:14:01,660
This

1652
02:14:01,660 --> 02:14:04,380
Is a win-win for the city of racine

1653
02:14:06,380 --> 02:14:10,300
And I would encourage each and every one of you to think long

1654
02:14:11,580 --> 02:14:17,420
And hard about it, but I would encourage you to support this proposal

1655
02:14:20,380 --> 02:14:22,380
We talk about

1656
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:25,660
The deficit the structural deficit we have

1657
02:14:26,460 --> 02:14:29,900
We talk about the difficult budget that we're going to face

1658
02:14:30,940 --> 02:14:33,420
In october when we begin negotiating

1659
02:14:35,900 --> 02:14:39,500
This will be one item that we won't have to worry about

1660
02:14:41,500 --> 02:14:42,940
And

1661
02:14:42,940 --> 02:14:49,100
To have a world-class golf course in our backyard that we own

1662
02:14:49,260 --> 02:14:58,860
When it's all said and done we the city of racine will own that golf course

1663
02:14:59,980 --> 02:15:01,980
That's a positive thing. Thank you

1664
02:15:06,540 --> 02:15:10,460
Uh, thank you a shoe park is one of the first

1665
02:15:11,260 --> 02:15:13,260
I

1666
02:15:15,740 --> 02:15:21,340
Was the first golf course that I played on when I first moved to a racine

1667
02:15:22,140 --> 02:15:26,380
And I used to take my kid down there many years ago

1668
02:15:27,020 --> 02:15:29,020
And I have noticed

1669
02:15:29,020 --> 02:15:32,300
The your your chirration on the water

1670
02:15:33,020 --> 02:15:34,300
Part

1671
02:15:34,300 --> 02:15:39,420
I've noticed the trees of course I used to live on that side of the area of town

1672
02:15:39,980 --> 02:15:43,580
So I've been in a few of the windstorms over time

1673
02:15:44,140 --> 02:15:50,460
So I've seen what the trees have done down there and I understand what we've talked about tonight

1674
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:56,060
I've heard from both sides and everyone I think has answered great questions

1675
02:15:56,700 --> 02:16:01,420
I think we've listened to each other and I think it's good for this

1676
02:16:02,060 --> 02:16:06,620
City of racine who not only in the audience because I think the audience

1677
02:16:07,580 --> 02:16:12,300
I explained their slides. I think our colleagues did a great job

1678
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:19,180
Expressing their their comments as well as answering the key questions

1679
02:16:20,220 --> 02:16:23,180
I should have hit the button before all the Mac did

1680
02:16:23,660 --> 02:16:28,300
But I totally agree with what he said and I think again

1681
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:33,100
I think everyone in the room because I think we did a great job of communication

1682
02:16:33,500 --> 02:16:36,460
And but if we can't communicate with each other

1683
02:16:37,180 --> 02:16:41,260
Accomplishing anything will be a great challenge. Thank you

1684
02:16:46,940 --> 02:16:51,180
I ended up turning it off because all of my notes, I think all their mac red

1685
02:16:53,740 --> 02:17:00,140
I just I just wanted to say that I appreciate every single person that emailed every single person that spoke

1686
02:17:00,540 --> 02:17:02,620
the last several meetings both sides

1687
02:17:03,340 --> 02:17:05,820
The willingness to hear each other

1688
02:17:06,700 --> 02:17:12,540
There and I agree that there just seem to be so many benefits and I know some of the things that people feel like we're losing

1689
02:17:13,180 --> 02:17:17,660
I don't think we're losing them when I think about the students that I serve

1690
02:17:18,140 --> 02:17:24,220
I want them to be able to practice on a really nice place. I want them to have that community on a really nice setting

1691
02:17:24,380 --> 02:17:26,380
I don't think it has to be one or the other

1692
02:17:26,860 --> 02:17:30,620
I I had elementary kids who watched

1693
02:17:31,420 --> 02:17:36,860
Buildings and grounds come in and put sod down in front of their school and they were so excited to have nice grass

1694
02:17:37,580 --> 02:17:40,700
All of our students should be able to go someplace really nice

1695
02:17:41,100 --> 02:17:46,860
And practice and enjoy the game of golf and walk on a path and be on a beautiful space on the lake

1696
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:49,820
And if I'm going to trust a family to do it right

1697
02:17:50,620 --> 02:17:55,500
It's going to be a family that has invested in my community since I've been a little girl

1698
02:17:56,540 --> 02:18:02,060
Lived here my whole entire life watch them bring mental health into schools watch them hold community forums

1699
02:18:02,780 --> 02:18:10,140
I'm going to trust this family and I appreciate their willingness to listen to the environmental impacts to answer questions to meet with people

1700
02:18:10,860 --> 02:18:18,220
So I think there are so many benefits when I think of scholarships for students and the investment and I I don't think it has to be either or

1701
02:18:19,100 --> 02:18:23,820
I think we can still keep the community part of shoot park and the things that people love

1702
02:18:24,540 --> 02:18:27,980
And upgrade and and make it beautiful for everybody

1703
02:18:30,220 --> 02:18:32,220
I'll be joining team. Thank you

1704
02:18:32,620 --> 02:18:33,660
um

1705
02:18:33,660 --> 02:18:35,660
You know, this is uh

1706
02:18:35,820 --> 02:18:39,180
This was something that would be very transparent when it was first presented

1707
02:18:39,820 --> 02:18:43,900
Um, I was a bit apprehensive to I was very concerned

1708
02:18:44,460 --> 02:18:49,340
Uh with how it will remain affordable for Racine residents because it is

1709
02:18:49,900 --> 02:18:52,460
A park that is owned by the city of Racine

1710
02:18:53,420 --> 02:18:57,500
And so, um, it was something that I was following very very closely

1711
02:18:58,300 --> 02:19:00,620
on on how this would be able to be

1712
02:19:01,900 --> 02:19:05,420
uh remaining an affordable course for the the city of Racine residents

1713
02:19:06,460 --> 02:19:11,580
And so by tying it to another one of our municipal golf courses, I really do feel like that does

1714
02:19:12,060 --> 02:19:14,060
Remove a lot of my apprehension

1715
02:19:14,860 --> 02:19:18,860
That this would become wildly inexpensive for for city residents

1716
02:19:19,500 --> 02:19:25,020
Uh, I think there's been a lot of discussion on you know windpoint and windpoint residents

1717
02:19:25,820 --> 02:19:28,620
I don't live in windpoint. I don't represent windpoint

1718
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:36,620
Um, I can only go off of what their elected representatives have done and they adopted it their portion of it unanimously

1719
02:19:37,500 --> 02:19:38,460
Um

1720
02:19:38,460 --> 02:19:40,540
So uh to be totally transparent

1721
02:19:40,540 --> 02:19:45,100
I was looking at it through the lens of what my job was which is to represent the fifth district and

1722
02:19:45,580 --> 02:19:49,740
the city of Racine residents who would elect us and myself to be here

1723
02:19:50,780 --> 02:19:51,900
And so

1724
02:19:51,900 --> 02:19:53,980
I really spent a lot of time thinking about it

1725
02:19:54,300 --> 02:19:58,700
It's been it was funny everyone brought up their kids and bringing their kids there. I have a daughter

1726
02:19:58,780 --> 02:20:00,940
She's 15 months. Her name is Bonnie

1727
02:20:00,940 --> 02:20:04,060
Uh, and we brought her there not too long ago

1728
02:20:04,700 --> 02:20:07,260
Uh, and we tried to go down by the the lake shore

1729
02:20:08,060 --> 02:20:10,860
But it was hard to get to you couldn't go over your fire. There were down trees

1730
02:20:11,340 --> 02:20:18,700
Uh, and so actually I ended up uh taking her back up to the shore while my wife and some friends that were in from out of town

1731
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:20,380
stayed down there

1732
02:20:20,380 --> 02:20:22,940
Uh, and so we were up waiting on the shore

1733
02:20:23,740 --> 02:20:29,100
My daughter and I got to thinking about it of you know in in 10 years, uh, you know where

1734
02:20:30,060 --> 02:20:31,740
Well, how what do I want to bring her to?

1735
02:20:32,380 --> 02:20:38,220
Uh, do I want to say you know taking her through there and I was on the council and we had an opportunity to do this

1736
02:20:38,300 --> 02:20:42,460
But we chose not to and there used to be a parking lot there, but it's fallen into the lake

1737
02:20:42,940 --> 02:20:44,300
There used to be a clubhouse there

1738
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:48,140
We had to tear it down because we couldn't afford to repair it so now there's no clubhouse

1739
02:20:48,700 --> 02:20:55,420
Uh, or do I want to be able to take her somewhere and say, uh, you know, this is one of the top golf courses in the country

1740
02:20:55,420 --> 02:20:57,420
It's very expensive to play here

1741
02:20:57,660 --> 02:21:02,460
Uh, but this we get to play here for a reduced rate because this is a city of Racine park

1742
02:21:02,540 --> 02:21:08,940
It's one of the benefits of living in Racine as you'll be able to golf there for an extremely reduced rate

1743
02:21:09,820 --> 02:21:13,420
And I I think that was was really one of the things that I

1744
02:21:14,140 --> 02:21:17,980
I think that we could be proud of that move to the city of Racine

1745
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:25,820
We have a world-class golf course that you can golf for for $24 or $35 or whatever, uh, Washington park is set at

1746
02:21:26,540 --> 02:21:29,500
Which while I I'm not a golfer myself. So I just want to clarify that

1747
02:21:29,740 --> 02:21:36,300
Well, I've been told Washington park is a very nice golf course. Uh, I it's not described as one of the top in the country

1748
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:39,820
Uh, and so if this has the opportunity to do so

1749
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:45,660
Uh, that's a great asset. The only thing that I did kind of catch my ear

1750
02:21:46,140 --> 02:21:51,660
Um, it was brought up tonight of there may be some appetite from the business community to put forward something so that

1751
02:21:52,060 --> 02:21:57,500
Um, younger children that are just starting out would maybe be able to have some kind of fun set aside for

1752
02:21:58,060 --> 02:22:04,060
Um, children who live in the city of Racine to golf there, uh, and have some of that fun to cover it or all of it

1753
02:22:04,780 --> 02:22:06,780
Uh, there is a week still

1754
02:22:06,780 --> 02:22:12,380
Between final approval for this so this comes back on on tuesday of next week of when that would be coming back

1755
02:22:12,860 --> 02:22:16,460
Uh, I think that's a decent amount of time to maybe get something

1756
02:22:16,540 --> 02:22:19,340
I think it would be fantastic if when this came back in a week

1757
02:22:19,820 --> 02:22:25,500
There was, uh, the start of a proposal to it of in addition to all of the things that we're working on now

1758
02:22:25,980 --> 02:22:31,180
Um, this would be what the the business community and the city has come forward with as well in addition to it

1759
02:22:31,660 --> 02:22:32,860
Um

1760
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:34,700
I just feel like that would be

1761
02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:36,700
Really kind of cementing it that

1762
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:41,020
It's truly accessible for all city ever seen residents

1763
02:22:41,660 --> 02:22:44,060
And that it would be something that they would be able to

1764
02:22:45,180 --> 02:22:49,180
Effectively guarantee that you'd be able to do that whether you were just starting out

1765
02:22:49,340 --> 02:22:54,860
Um learning to golf, uh, there you're a resident, uh, and you've been golfing there for years

1766
02:22:54,860 --> 02:22:57,020
You'll continue to be able to afford to golf there or

1767
02:22:57,740 --> 02:22:59,340
ideally

1768
02:22:59,340 --> 02:23:08,060
You, uh, move to the city of Racine, uh, to enjoy one of our our world class golf course that I reduced rate among many many other benefits

1769
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:15,500
Uh, I I myself chose to live in Racine, uh, and and raise my family here and settle down for many other ones

1770
02:23:15,980 --> 02:23:17,740
Uh, many other reasons

1771
02:23:17,740 --> 02:23:21,900
And so I think this is, uh, something that we could add as another feather to our cap

1772
02:23:22,380 --> 02:23:27,260
Uh, as one of the the amazing reasons of why to choose Racine. Thank you

1773
02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:34,380
Any other discussion on item zero six zero nine dash two six

1774
02:23:35,180 --> 02:23:39,020
Okay, so before we go to the vote just a reminder. We are an executive committee not full council

1775
02:23:39,420 --> 02:23:42,860
So there are, um, six members of the executive committee myself

1776
02:23:43,260 --> 02:23:47,260
other allen, alder harman, alder pete, alder jorgensen and alder land

1777
02:23:47,820 --> 02:23:51,340
Um, and then after the vote this evening it will go to the full council

1778
02:23:51,900 --> 02:23:58,780
Next tuesday the 21st at six o'clock. So for people, uh, watching at home or who might be here wondering when final passage

1779
02:23:59,180 --> 02:24:03,660
Might occur it would be on tuesday the 21st at the full council meeting

1780
02:24:04,220 --> 02:24:06,140
In the space that you're in today

1781
02:24:06,140 --> 02:24:10,700
So when the clerk calls your name, uh, for executive committee members, please vote

1782
02:24:11,420 --> 02:24:12,860
As you wish

1783
02:24:12,860 --> 02:24:14,860
alderland

1784
02:24:17,340 --> 02:24:19,340
Alder harman

1785
02:24:19,580 --> 02:24:21,180
Alder pete

1786
02:24:21,180 --> 02:24:23,180
alder jorgensen

1787
02:24:23,180 --> 02:24:25,180
alder allen

1788
02:24:26,380 --> 02:24:28,380
That is five eyes zero nose

1789
02:24:30,860 --> 02:24:32,860
Alder land

1790
02:24:33,660 --> 02:24:35,900
Thank you. That's five eyes zero nose

1791
02:24:35,900 --> 02:24:39,580
Motion passes unanimously. This does exhaust