WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.960 arrived on this 5th of August 2026 is my honor to call to order the City of 00:04.960 --> 00:08.960 Racine Common Council. The first order of business as always is the Pledge of 00:08.960 --> 00:12.000 Allegiance. If you could please rise as you are able and join me in the Pledge of 00:12.000 --> 00:14.480 Allegiance. 00:14.480 --> 00:19.680 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 00:19.680 --> 00:23.360 Republic for which it stands one nation, 00:23.360 --> 00:29.440 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:40.080 --> 00:43.120 President Jorgensen did we have any excused absences this evening? 00:43.120 --> 00:46.800 We do, we have two. We have Alder Mack and Alder Kelly. 00:46.800 --> 00:51.360 I'll be duly noted in the minutes. Also just as a note we do have 00:51.360 --> 00:55.520 Alder Frazier who's joining us remotely. 00:55.840 --> 00:58.880 President Jorgensen would you like to make a motion regarding the minutes of 00:58.880 --> 01:02.560 July 21st? I move to approve the minutes. 01:02.560 --> 01:05.600 So motion in a second to approve said minutes. All those in favor of the 01:05.600 --> 01:10.160 minutes please say aye. Aye. Opposed? That motion carries. 01:10.160 --> 01:12.800 We do have two proclamations before we get into 01:12.800 --> 01:16.320 public comments this evening. One for National Farmers Market Week and 01:16.320 --> 01:21.040 another for Women's Equality Day. I will read them into the record now. 01:21.040 --> 01:24.240 First one reads whereas farmers markets provide 01:24.240 --> 01:27.360 residents with access to fresh locally and regionally grown foods while 01:27.360 --> 01:31.120 supporting Wisconsin farmers, food producers and small businesses. 01:31.120 --> 01:34.400 That farmers markets strengthen local economies by creating opportunities for 01:34.400 --> 01:37.680 farmers and entrepreneurs to sell directly to consumers keeping food 01:37.680 --> 01:40.240 dollars circulating within our communities. 01:40.240 --> 01:43.440 That farmers markets promote healthy lifestyles by increasing access to 01:43.440 --> 01:45.760 nutritious foods and encouraging residents to enjoy 01:45.760 --> 01:49.440 fresh seasonal products grown and produce close to home. 01:49.440 --> 01:52.560 That farmers markets create welcoming community gathering places where 01:52.560 --> 01:55.360 neighbors connect. Visitors discover local businesses 01:55.360 --> 01:58.480 and families enjoy the unique character of their community. 01:58.480 --> 02:01.760 Whereas the city of Racine welcomes the Racine Farmers Market on the lake a new 02:01.760 --> 02:05.120 community tradition that supports local agriculture, expands access to fresh 02:05.120 --> 02:07.360 food and activates the city's beautiful lake 02:07.360 --> 02:10.640 front while connecting residents directly with regional farmers and 02:10.640 --> 02:13.200 producers. Now therefore I, Corey Mason, mayor of the 02:13.200 --> 02:16.960 city of Racine, Wisconsin do hereby proclaim August 2nd through 8th 02:17.040 --> 02:20.880 2026 as national farmers market week in the city of Racine 02:20.880 --> 02:24.240 and encourage all residents to support local farmers and producers 02:24.240 --> 02:27.760 by visiting farmers markets and celebrating the many benefits that they 02:27.760 --> 02:30.560 bring to our community signed this 5th day of August 02:30.560 --> 02:35.040 2026. The other proclamation before us is regarding 02:35.040 --> 02:39.680 women's equality day and it reads whereas the nation is celebrating 02:39.680 --> 02:44.000 America's 250th anniversary and whereas women's history is recognized as 02:44.000 --> 02:46.880 essential for understanding the courageous complexity of our nation 02:47.280 --> 02:50.880 that knowing women's stories provides essential role models for everyone 02:50.880 --> 02:54.240 that role models are genuinely needed to face the extraordinary changes in 02:54.240 --> 02:57.600 unlearning challenges in the 21st century that learning about women's 02:57.600 --> 03:00.960 tenacity courage and creativity throughout the centuries 03:00.960 --> 03:04.240 is a tremendous source of strength and that women in the United States have 03:04.240 --> 03:08.080 continuously worked to gain full rights and responsibilities public or private 03:08.080 --> 03:10.960 legal or institutional as citizens of the United States 03:10.960 --> 03:14.400 and that women in every state and every cultural and religious group work to 03:14.400 --> 03:18.080 expand democracy by securing the right to vote for women 03:18.080 --> 03:22.080 and that Congress has designated August 26th the date the 19th amendment in 03:22.080 --> 03:26.080 franchising women was certified as women's equality day 03:26.080 --> 03:29.200 and whereas recognizing women's equality day as a day of celebration 03:29.200 --> 03:32.400 throughout the country emphasizes the importance of women's work for 03:32.400 --> 03:35.280 democracy now therefore i Cory Mason mayor of the 03:35.280 --> 03:38.320 city of Racine do you hear by proclaimed that in conjunction with the celebration 03:38.320 --> 03:42.160 of the nation's 250th birthday commemorate women's equality day 03:42.160 --> 03:45.600 august 26th as a national day celebrating the importance of women's 03:45.600 --> 03:48.400 suffrage movement and women's work to secure and expand 03:48.400 --> 03:53.920 equal rights today signed this fifth day of august 2026 03:53.920 --> 03:58.160 thank you for that everyone we will now move on to 03:58.160 --> 04:02.160 to public comments i will ask the city clerk to read the rules i will say i know 04:02.160 --> 04:05.040 there's a lot of people here who have a lot of passion that they want to bring 04:05.040 --> 04:07.760 to the issue there are two rules i want to just lay out 04:07.760 --> 04:10.400 before the clerk goes over the rules most broadly 04:10.400 --> 04:13.920 the first of which is you will see that there is a three-minute clock 04:13.920 --> 04:17.440 on on each speaker after the three minutes are up 04:17.440 --> 04:21.120 your microphone is turned off that is not a reflection on your commentary or 04:21.120 --> 04:24.640 what you're saying it is instead an effort to treat everybody equally 04:24.640 --> 04:28.240 everyone gets up to three minutes you don't have to use all three minutes 04:28.240 --> 04:31.200 but you get no more than three minutes the other thing is i know this is a 04:31.200 --> 04:35.280 pattern issue but as a matter of the quorum if people could refrain from 04:35.280 --> 04:39.440 shout outs or or applause if people want to do the 04:39.440 --> 04:42.240 signed language applause that would be appreciated if they want to show 04:42.240 --> 04:45.360 support but as a matter of decorum and respect 04:45.360 --> 04:48.160 if people could refrain from commenting on or applauding or 04:48.160 --> 04:50.560 pulling any of the comments that are made here today 04:50.560 --> 04:54.000 and so with that i'll ask the city clerk to please please read the rules of 04:54.000 --> 04:58.240 procedure for public comments the public comment segment is an 04:58.240 --> 05:01.840 opportunity for citizens to speak directly to the common council 05:01.840 --> 05:04.400 speakers will limit their remarks to three minutes 05:04.400 --> 05:07.760 there shall be no dialogue or interaction between the speaker and 05:07.760 --> 05:11.920 elected officials or staff this time is not intended to be a debate or 05:11.920 --> 05:16.560 discussion the common council shall not hear personal complaints or attacks 05:16.560 --> 05:20.960 against any city employee or elected official or any matter related to an 05:20.960 --> 05:24.560 individual claim citation appeal or lawsuit 05:24.560 --> 05:28.800 profane disruptive threatening or conduct that otherwise impedes 05:28.800 --> 05:32.480 the safe orderly and effective conduct of the common council meeting 05:32.480 --> 05:36.240 is equally unacceptable during the public comment period as it is during all 05:36.240 --> 05:40.160 other portions of city meetings candidates for public office may not 05:40.160 --> 05:42.960 use this opportunity to campaign for office 05:42.960 --> 05:46.640 speakers during the public comment period shall follow all rules of the common 05:46.640 --> 05:50.400 council and rulings of the chair including a decision to terminate the 05:50.400 --> 05:52.880 remarks if the speaker does not adhere to these 05:52.880 --> 05:55.760 rules public comments shall be limited to ideas or 05:55.760 --> 05:59.840 concerns regarding the city of rosene we encourage you to submit any detailed 05:59.840 --> 06:03.280 concerns in writing to the city clerk's office or your aldermen 06:03.280 --> 06:06.880 or they can be properly documented and directed for response 06:06.880 --> 06:10.880 there will be 21 speakers this evening the first one is 06:10.880 --> 06:14.720 Diane kenaski at 5101 right ab 06:22.000 --> 06:26.480 hello i like to speak about two issues tonight i'm going to reverse the 06:26.480 --> 06:30.000 discussion talk about bowling first and clutter second 06:30.000 --> 06:34.080 the reason why i have the um the melodal barbie with me is 06:34.080 --> 06:36.960 it reminds me of a friend at a net and i met at halo 06:36.960 --> 06:40.000 Rebecca Ryan although Rebecca Ryan was Caucasian 06:40.000 --> 06:44.960 the spirit and the like and the likeness of Rebecca's leadership 06:44.960 --> 06:49.280 reminds us about um how she handle bowling and also how she is an 06:49.280 --> 06:53.760 ally to many people lgbt and she is very kind and helping 06:53.760 --> 06:56.800 mothers give them a respect when she would play basketball 06:56.800 --> 06:59.840 with the children that was needed at halo 06:59.840 --> 07:04.000 the other point about bowling what i like to mention though too 07:04.000 --> 07:08.480 is that um sometimes people bully because people have to 07:08.480 --> 07:11.440 have someone that's a different partner it's a different skin color 07:11.440 --> 07:14.560 years ago when i had a friend i was seeing 07:14.560 --> 07:18.240 we went down to one fast food restaurant there when i lived in konosha 07:18.240 --> 07:20.960 and i i had a great time with parents went there but 07:20.960 --> 07:25.440 when we went there everyone and it was like guess who's coming to dinner 07:25.440 --> 07:29.920 2017 style and at one point even the magic came up and 07:29.920 --> 07:32.800 spoke and said all you guys are supposed to be this 07:32.800 --> 07:35.440 and you you are older than one one and you knew 07:35.440 --> 07:39.440 the you know her parents and he was very disappointed 07:39.440 --> 07:41.840 and even my friend was he said well let's go 07:41.840 --> 07:46.800 so basically that's another that's a former bowling that also can happen 07:46.800 --> 07:50.160 sometimes does happen third former boys when i was taking the 07:50.160 --> 07:53.920 boss um about 10 days ago i was on the bus and 07:53.920 --> 07:56.880 it was a hot day i was a little bit disheveled and some said well is that 07:56.880 --> 08:00.000 really a woman and there's three guys in the back they tried to 08:00.000 --> 08:03.840 go after to try to mitigate this one person got off even the bus driver asked 08:03.840 --> 08:07.280 me to get off saying thought be better safer but i don't want to get off 08:07.280 --> 08:10.720 because i needed their condition and also the neighborhood 08:10.720 --> 08:15.600 bus was getting off on um i've been bullied and abused since 08:15.600 --> 08:18.640 childhood because when i went to elementary school i used to have to 08:18.640 --> 08:21.920 carry an instagram cold act instagram at a camera because i 08:21.920 --> 08:25.040 spoke so much that i'd have to take pictures of the 08:25.040 --> 08:28.640 bowling they had to go through the school a photobook to find out who the 08:28.640 --> 08:31.200 boys were and sometimes they didn't even use the older 08:31.200 --> 08:35.040 brothers and sisters to play me so when i'm trying to say it's 08:35.040 --> 08:38.960 basically um we still need to work on bowling 08:38.960 --> 08:42.800 medical questions my core questions and even a youtube video like um 08:42.800 --> 08:46.320 there's a huge call from we just call it says boys will be boys will be boys 08:46.320 --> 08:49.440 girls will be girls so that should not be tolerated 08:49.440 --> 08:52.560 and and even to form your school video so if someone does that go get an 08:52.560 --> 08:56.240 attorney you know go after the school um and the rest of the comments are in 08:56.240 --> 08:59.360 the transcript thank you 09:04.080 --> 09:15.520 the next speaker is oscar selynis 521 6th street 09:20.320 --> 09:24.880 afternoon members of the council um i want to come and talk a little bit about 09:24.880 --> 09:28.320 public safety and uh a couple things to happen this 09:28.320 --> 09:30.880 week and i'm a little bit hurt um 09:35.360 --> 09:43.360 i don't write speeches i don't i don't do that but we have to remember and i'm 09:43.360 --> 09:47.760 just saying this because of everything that's been going on i'm not 09:47.760 --> 09:53.120 publicly talking about one issue but when we make our vote when we talk about 09:53.120 --> 09:56.960 what we do we have to remember those who serve this 09:56.960 --> 10:00.960 community and the ones that are affected by some of the 10:00.960 --> 10:05.920 decisions that are made and the reason i say that is because 10:05.920 --> 10:13.680 this week we lost a hero we lost an officer 10:13.680 --> 10:17.040 that worked in this community 10:17.440 --> 10:25.840 and yes it was during training yes it was through two medical issues 10:25.840 --> 10:29.840 but we lost somebody so i want to take a few minutes to talk about him 10:29.840 --> 10:34.080 and the service that our officers get daily 10:34.080 --> 10:38.720 and how we should do everything in our best honor to say thank you 10:38.720 --> 10:44.080 and to respect them and to vote for our community 10:44.080 --> 10:53.040 and not on what means to me vote for integrity vote for our community 10:53.280 --> 10:58.400 with that being said i'm probably not going to make through it through the 10:58.400 --> 11:02.240 next part of this but i'm going to say this 11:04.320 --> 11:07.200 the true hero racy and attribute to canine asmin 11:07.200 --> 11:10.320 a steadfast procedure a gentle partner 11:10.320 --> 11:13.120 and a beloved guardian of the racing community 11:13.120 --> 11:18.320 the servants fade the sheds learn across the quiet streets of racing 11:18.320 --> 11:24.000 a sudden chill upon the air a silent duty waiting there 11:24.000 --> 11:30.880 but where the darkness pathways bend steps out the handler and the friend 11:30.880 --> 11:34.960 not just a badge not just a stride while quality 11:34.960 --> 11:39.120 inside you walk the beat with steady paw 11:39.120 --> 11:44.640 a living shield of bond in law to trace the loss to face the boat 11:44.640 --> 11:50.320 with heart of fire and code of gold you gave your prime you gave your best 11:50.320 --> 11:56.880 and led each heavy night to rest how many times the cold winds blue 11:56.880 --> 12:01.920 you comfort lived in following you a neighborhood could sleep 12:01.920 --> 12:05.840 secure because of you and your watch over us 12:05.840 --> 12:09.760 to walk beside a hero shred to feel no fear 12:09.760 --> 12:14.480 we're danger led this was the gift you left behind 12:14.480 --> 12:17.600 the trusted friend 12:21.280 --> 12:25.760 the next speaker is run piercing forty seven twenty bird av 12:25.760 --> 12:35.280 yes good evening all uh i'm here to discuss about the 12:35.280 --> 12:41.680 problem that we're having where i live at uh forty seven twenty bird avenue 12:41.680 --> 12:46.560 that's uh mean managed uh a little incorrectly 12:46.560 --> 12:51.840 uh it's owned by wisconsin housing preservation corporation 12:51.840 --> 12:55.440 who supposedly is a prominent leader in affordable housing 12:55.440 --> 13:00.000 in the state of wisconsin they claim to have six hundred and ninety million 13:00.000 --> 13:04.240 dollars worth of assets and yet in the last uh 13:04.240 --> 13:07.280 months we've had two elevator breakdowns 13:07.280 --> 13:13.760 uh in the building uh unfortunately it is not an Otis elevator it's a 13:13.760 --> 13:17.280 northwestern elevator and they are out of business 13:17.280 --> 13:21.760 except for a man that's up in richfield that runs the company from there 13:21.760 --> 13:27.120 so they elected to employ comb to repair the elevator 13:27.120 --> 13:29.920 and the question is how long will that be 13:29.920 --> 13:35.520 because uh like many of us who live on the third floor it's kind of a 13:35.520 --> 13:39.920 difficult situation if you're dealing with handicapped people in a building 13:39.920 --> 13:45.360 of 90 units so expectations as far as i can see 13:45.360 --> 13:50.720 are very temporary and i feel that maybe hud would be investigating this a 13:50.720 --> 13:53.680 little bit more and maybe they should be losing their hud 13:53.680 --> 13:57.360 affiliation if they can't square up what's the problem 13:57.360 --> 14:02.080 i mean if you have six hundred and ninety million dollars in asset size 14:02.080 --> 14:05.840 please you know don't insult our intelligence by saying it can't be 14:05.840 --> 14:10.640 done sooner or going to another vendor because they did not go to northwestern 14:10.640 --> 14:14.400 elevator where he could have gotten the parts or they could have gotten the 14:14.400 --> 14:18.880 parts earlier uh the problem still continues i think 14:18.880 --> 14:23.600 because it's a temporary fix and that'll be the third time 14:23.600 --> 14:29.040 in probably a month and a half where we have to climb the stairs 14:29.040 --> 14:36.000 uh my suggestion is that we get somebody there to be 14:36.000 --> 14:41.200 of some help to navigate the steps like a bellman or bellhop 14:41.200 --> 14:45.600 but management hasn't come forth on that 14:45.600 --> 14:52.480 nor has the owner owners be wisconsin housing preservation corporation 14:52.480 --> 14:57.280 and uh it's kind of dismained to me because as a professional 14:57.280 --> 15:01.040 realtor i can't see where ethics here is being 15:01.040 --> 15:07.040 you know applied um and i think hud should get a little bit 15:07.040 --> 15:12.480 better involved in this as well as the city we're seeing for follow-up 15:12.480 --> 15:17.040 it needs follow-up because uh the building you know half of the building 15:17.040 --> 15:21.760 is handicapped and we've gone to three 15:21.760 --> 15:27.920 people as far as the uh management righty joseph 15:27.920 --> 15:32.240 alexander company and meridian and i claim 15:32.240 --> 15:36.960 nedulans on all of it thank you for your listening 15:36.960 --> 15:48.800 the next speaker is angelina cruz 720 south marcatch street 15:52.240 --> 15:56.320 hi everyone good evening mayor mason members of the council 15:56.320 --> 16:01.440 my name is angelina cruz and i represent assembly district 62 here in racene 16:01.440 --> 16:04.720 but before i was your state representative i was a granddaughter of 16:04.720 --> 16:08.400 migrant workers my grandparents came to racene in the 16:08.400 --> 16:12.320 1950s to find factory work in the shadow of what our 16:12.320 --> 16:16.400 government called operation wetback a federal campaign that rounded up 16:16.400 --> 16:20.400 into ported people who look like them whose papers were questioned 16:20.400 --> 16:23.840 whose belonging in this country was treated as conditional 16:23.840 --> 16:27.600 they built a life here anyway they worked they raised a family 16:27.600 --> 16:30.480 they planted roots that eventually grew into me 16:30.480 --> 16:34.000 standing in front of you tonight as the first Hispanic elected official to 16:34.000 --> 16:38.800 represent racene at the state level i carry that history with me and i 16:38.800 --> 16:41.520 carry it tonight because i'm watching it happen 16:41.520 --> 16:45.520 again as a state rep what i'm hearing from the people of this district is 16:45.520 --> 16:49.280 that families are afraid of a knock on the door 16:49.280 --> 16:53.360 a routine drive to work dropping off a child at school 16:53.360 --> 16:56.880 real or perceived fear that keeps a mother from 16:56.880 --> 17:00.480 calling 911 or a witness from talking to police 17:00.480 --> 17:04.080 or a family from a doctor's appointment that makes us all 17:04.080 --> 17:08.960 less safe not just the immigrant community all of us 17:08.960 --> 17:14.320 this isn't only a racene story or 2026 story it's the same story that's played 17:14.320 --> 17:18.160 out again and again in this country different decades 17:18.160 --> 17:21.200 different targeted communities the same tactic 17:21.200 --> 17:24.640 make people feel like they don't belong so they stay silent 17:24.640 --> 17:28.160 and disconnected from the institutions meant to serve them 17:28.160 --> 17:30.880 my grandparents lived that story in the 50s 17:30.880 --> 17:34.800 families in this city are living a version of that right now 17:34.800 --> 17:38.720 as their state representative my job isn't to wait quietly 17:38.720 --> 17:42.560 it's to stand in front of the people that i represent and say plainly i see 17:42.560 --> 17:46.640 you and i stand with you that's why i'm here tonight in support 17:46.640 --> 17:50.160 of the ice ordinance it does not stop federal agents 17:50.160 --> 17:53.520 from doing their jobs under lawful warrants or court orders 17:53.520 --> 17:57.920 what it does is say racene's own resources are parking lots and garages 17:57.920 --> 18:02.400 our parks our officers time will not be used to subsidize civil 18:02.400 --> 18:05.680 immigration enforcement beyond what the law requires 18:05.680 --> 18:10.000 i didn't arrive at this position alone at the state level i've co-sponsored 18:10.000 --> 18:14.400 the keep families together bill package which contains these same protections 18:14.400 --> 18:19.040 ending secret unidentifiable policing keeping local jails out of federal 18:19.040 --> 18:22.480 civil immigration detention and keeping our schools 18:22.480 --> 18:26.560 churches and hospitals safe places rather than staging grounds for 18:26.560 --> 18:29.920 enforcement what's in front of you tonight is racene's 18:29.920 --> 18:35.120 chance to enact those same protections locally for the people who live here 18:35.120 --> 18:39.520 in the 50s my family found a home in the city despite a federal government that 18:39.520 --> 18:43.600 told them that they did not belong tonight i'm asking you to tell the 18:43.600 --> 18:47.360 families of brusine clearly and unequivocally 18:47.360 --> 18:51.520 that they do i urge you to pass this ordinance and i think you very much 18:51.520 --> 18:54.560 for your time this evening 18:54.560 --> 19:00.960 next speaker is hosea palacios at two thousand kirni have 19:00.960 --> 19:06.400 good evening everyone yes i am hosea palacios uh two thousand kirni avenue 19:06.400 --> 19:12.080 also here as a former lulak wisconsin state 19:12.080 --> 19:18.720 director um on behalf of lulak as well as the latino community i 19:18.720 --> 19:24.000 wanted to present that we are not or alone in how we feel 19:24.000 --> 19:30.960 about the actions of ice and the new york city bar association views with 19:30.960 --> 19:34.800 alarm the u.s. immigration and customs enforcement 19:34.800 --> 19:39.440 customs enforcement officers new practice the wearing of masks and otherwise 19:39.440 --> 19:41.920 obscuring their identities when conducting 19:41.920 --> 19:45.440 detentions and arrests this abrupt change comes at a time when these 19:45.440 --> 19:51.040 government agents actions are the subject of widespread scrutiny 19:51.040 --> 19:55.040 numerous legal challenges in a public eye crowd outcry for 19:55.040 --> 20:00.160 from individuals and organizations including the city 20:00.160 --> 20:04.480 vehemently opposing unlawful detentions and emphasizing the need 20:04.480 --> 20:10.320 for due process of law for detainees in this light the decision to begin 20:10.320 --> 20:14.960 concealing the faces of law enforcement agents who are carrying out 20:14.960 --> 20:18.400 arrests and detentions appear to be an effort to evade 20:18.400 --> 20:22.800 accountability and to decrease transparency in response 20:22.800 --> 20:26.560 to increasing allegations of government overreach 20:26.560 --> 20:31.200 abuse of power and violation of constitutional rights 20:31.200 --> 20:36.640 the use of masks is one among a collection of legal issues presented by 20:36.640 --> 20:41.440 the administration's recent actions against immigrants and visitors 20:41.440 --> 20:46.320 and even some citizens but a significant one that can and should be 20:46.320 --> 20:49.760 immediately addressed and remedied 20:49.760 --> 20:52.960 i've met a numerous number of people who have 20:52.960 --> 20:57.600 have family members who remember their grandparents their great-grandparents 20:57.600 --> 21:03.040 who were immigrants that came to the u.s. became citizens 21:03.040 --> 21:08.800 and had lived with fear at the beginning because 21:08.800 --> 21:13.520 of not being accepted in this country and now it's being renewed to hear the 21:13.600 --> 21:17.360 current stories of people in the community who are 21:17.360 --> 21:22.000 reliving this this type of emotion that used to be 21:22.000 --> 21:27.200 existent in the past and now exists in our present time 21:27.200 --> 21:31.120 is said i ask that you support this ordinance 21:31.120 --> 21:33.520 thank you 21:33.680 --> 21:40.000 the next speaker is erin etch at eight fourteen russet street 21:40.000 --> 21:48.640 thank you for the time my name's erin eich i'm here to speak about the 21:48.640 --> 21:53.280 immigration enforcement proposal excuse me and 21:53.280 --> 21:57.760 we'd just like to make a few points so i've been a teacher for 21 years 21:57.760 --> 22:01.760 an advisor for youth-empowered in the struggle for about 18 22:01.760 --> 22:06.000 years and a member of the statewide board for vosas de la franterra for 22:06.000 --> 22:10.880 the last six years so i kind of have been watching this 22:10.880 --> 22:15.120 kind of work go on all over the country different cities kind of handling the 22:15.120 --> 22:18.640 situation differently some trying to be progressive 22:18.640 --> 22:22.720 some trying to be more conservative or regressive 22:22.720 --> 22:27.600 and so i'm here as a leader in the community to say thank you 22:27.600 --> 22:30.960 just for putting it up there this is good work 22:30.960 --> 22:35.360 this is important work and this means a lot to a lot of people 22:35.360 --> 22:39.040 and so as a teacher you know we have a lot of data 22:39.040 --> 22:43.280 but one of the pieces of data i'd like to kind of just anecdotally talk about 22:43.280 --> 22:45.840 is the idea of a student with hope 22:45.840 --> 22:51.920 with hope so students with hope do better period 22:51.920 --> 22:56.880 students with hope do better and that's not just students it's 22:56.880 --> 23:02.080 humans with hope do better and and that's important for building 23:02.080 --> 23:05.200 community and when you all as people with power 23:05.200 --> 23:09.680 and leaders in this community build infrastructure to say 23:09.680 --> 23:13.680 you can have hope here you can have hope in racine 23:13.680 --> 23:17.120 no matter where you are from you can come here and have hope that we're 23:17.120 --> 23:20.400 going to stand with you and so we're changing people's lives just by 23:20.400 --> 23:23.840 putting this up there and so i know for a fact that there'll be 23:23.840 --> 23:26.400 students who know about this and it's going to change their life 23:26.400 --> 23:30.240 immediately just thinking that i'm living in a town where i feel supported 23:30.240 --> 23:33.520 and so a lot of immigrants are are reaching for that all over the 23:33.520 --> 23:38.640 country so uh that hope is a first step 23:38.640 --> 23:42.320 and you know as i said i'm a member of vosas de la frantera as well as youth 23:42.320 --> 23:47.120 empowered and struggle and i think that like i just want to say i look forward 23:47.120 --> 23:51.440 to working with all of you since you know your alders but leaders 23:51.440 --> 23:55.680 as well and the room is filled with leaders uh tambien and it's like it's 23:55.680 --> 24:02.000 time to build community just like you are doing 24:02.000 --> 24:06.320 that leads to power and that leads to wealth building and and so our 24:06.320 --> 24:10.160 children can kind of look to the future and think this is going to be okay 24:10.160 --> 24:13.600 and really we're losing a lot of our children we really are 24:13.600 --> 24:17.520 there i mean i talk to them every year every semester 24:17.520 --> 24:21.280 about what is your what are your hopes and what are your fears and it is 24:21.360 --> 24:27.520 stark it really is and so thank you for uh getting to this work and i urge you 24:27.520 --> 24:32.000 to pass uh the proposal this evening thank you 24:32.000 --> 24:38.480 the next speaker is maria moronk at 1019 crab tree lane 24:43.680 --> 24:49.440 good evening my name is maria moronic i am a member of the russian interfaith 24:49.440 --> 24:57.600 coalition immigration task force uh risk rick has 27 face faith 24:57.600 --> 25:03.200 organizations in the community and we're focused on justice issues 25:03.200 --> 25:06.720 and one of the issues that we are very concerned about 25:06.720 --> 25:13.840 is what ice has done to this country to to the state and to our community 25:13.840 --> 25:17.360 i don't know if any of you caught the news this morning 25:17.360 --> 25:22.960 um but new mexico had ice come in helping to build the wall 25:22.960 --> 25:27.440 and in order to build the wall they had a drill 25:27.440 --> 25:33.440 wells without going to the community without following the regulations that 25:33.440 --> 25:38.240 you're supposed to follow when you um dig a well despite the fact 25:38.240 --> 25:42.560 that new mexico is suffering an extreme drought 25:42.560 --> 25:46.880 they just built their wells and took the water out and did whatever they 25:46.880 --> 25:51.920 please as i excuse me as ice has been doing 25:51.920 --> 25:59.680 in communities across this country they stopped drilling temporarily anyway 25:59.680 --> 26:05.120 at this point because there was such public outcry 26:05.120 --> 26:11.120 about how they were mismanaging the important natural resource of water 26:11.120 --> 26:16.960 that the community needed that the farmers needed in order to survive 26:16.960 --> 26:21.600 this is what ice does it just goes in and does whatever it 26:21.600 --> 26:27.200 darn well wants and only if the community 26:27.200 --> 26:31.360 raises up and objects as they did in this 26:31.360 --> 26:38.960 instance do things change i am so grateful to mayor mason 26:38.960 --> 26:46.880 and the city council here for initiating this immigration resolution 26:46.880 --> 26:51.040 i have friends who are immigrants who are scared to death 26:51.040 --> 26:54.640 to walk down the street every time they see a police car 26:54.640 --> 26:58.800 every time they see a sheriff's car they're afraid 26:58.800 --> 27:02.640 and it is not making us healthier and safer in this community 27:02.640 --> 27:08.800 so i just wanted to say thank you so much i hope you pass this resolution 27:08.800 --> 27:12.560 and i am grateful to all of you thank you 27:12.560 --> 27:19.280 the next speaker is janet serrano at 1820 Jerome boulevard 27:25.600 --> 27:28.720 good evening everyone my name is janet serrano and thank you for the 27:28.720 --> 27:31.920 opportunity to speak tonight i spent 15 years in the immigrant's 27:31.920 --> 27:34.720 rights movement i started organizing as a teenager while attending 27:34.720 --> 27:38.640 washington park high school as a yes student and i saw first handout 27:38.640 --> 27:41.280 immigrant policy immigration policies impacted families 27:41.280 --> 27:45.600 and friends in my community since then i've had the privilege of working alongside 27:45.600 --> 27:48.720 immigrant families students workers and community leaders across 27:48.720 --> 27:52.080 wisconsin to advocate for policies that recognize their humanity and protect 27:52.080 --> 27:54.960 their dignity for me this ordinance isn't about it's 27:54.960 --> 27:58.960 more about it's more than immigration it is about it 27:58.960 --> 28:03.280 it is about it the kind of racy city racy chooses to be sorry guys i'm a little 28:03.280 --> 28:07.520 nervous it's about creating a community where every person can live with dignity 28:07.520 --> 28:10.800 contribute without fear and know how they and know that they belong 28:10.800 --> 28:14.480 racyan has always been a city shaped by immigrants today nearly one in four 28:14.480 --> 28:16.400 residents in the city of racyan identify as 28:16.400 --> 28:19.840 latino and thousands of our neighbors are born in other places 28:19.840 --> 28:23.360 with the majority coming from light and america their entrepreneurs factory 28:23.360 --> 28:27.520 workers teachers help teachers health care workers parents and taxpayers 28:27.520 --> 28:30.560 who helps to strengthen our local economy 28:30.560 --> 28:33.760 immigrants helped shape racyan and every every single day and they deserve to 28:33.760 --> 28:36.160 be treated with the respect and humanity that every person 28:36.160 --> 28:39.120 deserves i support this ordinance because it reflects 28:39.120 --> 28:42.080 reflects values that i believe racyan should stand for 28:42.080 --> 28:45.360 compassion fairness and inclusion it is important 28:45.360 --> 28:47.680 it is an important step forward ensuring that our city 28:47.680 --> 28:51.680 prioritizes its residents and creates an environment where immigrant 28:51.680 --> 28:55.200 families feel welcomed and valued and creates an environment where immigrant 28:55.200 --> 28:58.320 families feel sorry but i also want to be clear 28:58.320 --> 29:01.520 that this cannot be the finish line this is only the beginning 29:01.520 --> 29:04.800 racyan has the opportunity to continue leading with courage by adopting 29:04.800 --> 29:07.360 policies that truly protect immigrant families 29:07.360 --> 29:10.320 and ensure that everyone regardless of where they were born 29:10.320 --> 29:14.000 can fully participate in our community and i hope the council sees this ordinance 29:14.000 --> 29:17.680 not as the end of the conversation but as the start of a stronger commitment 29:17.680 --> 29:21.840 to who to who all call racyan home and i respectfully ask that you vote yes 29:21.840 --> 29:26.320 thank you the next speaker i apologize i can't read 29:26.320 --> 29:29.760 the last name but the first name is gary the last name it looks like 29:29.760 --> 29:35.440 starts with an end if you could please state your address 29:38.400 --> 29:41.520 thank you you're up gary 29:44.480 --> 29:52.240 i'm basically gonna say the same thing that someone else in my 29:52.240 --> 29:59.280 building was um talking about and a little bit more 29:59.280 --> 30:06.000 in that the elevator usually with some exception at times doesn't affect me 30:06.000 --> 30:10.640 directly i care about people that it does uh 30:10.640 --> 30:18.240 uh of fact then and i'm trying to keep track of 30:18.240 --> 30:26.320 how many times uh meridian um not doing their job or the job 30:26.320 --> 30:31.200 good enough because there's a lot of uh issues um 30:31.200 --> 30:37.760 regarding um meridian i i know meridian from a long time ago i 30:37.760 --> 30:41.520 had another apartment building when i first came 30:41.520 --> 30:47.120 to what was seen in in some ways they improved and since 30:47.120 --> 30:55.760 done but in a ways it got worse so i think um 30:55.760 --> 31:02.160 opie man or i'm already in should be looked at real closely 31:02.160 --> 31:08.640 because they say you know some people think um that they don't want to spend 31:08.640 --> 31:12.560 money on things and they they have a community 31:13.360 --> 31:18.480 close it could be a number of reasons why but it might be 31:18.480 --> 31:23.440 partway so people can't how to talk to each other regarding the 31:23.440 --> 31:28.160 elevator business and um and if money is the 31:28.160 --> 31:34.080 issue about the elevator and other things they when they close the 31:34.080 --> 31:39.200 community room they left the 31:39.840 --> 31:45.040 air-conditioner on for the community room and also what 31:45.040 --> 31:49.920 food in there that was donated by uh in in 31:49.920 --> 31:54.560 agencies so they're they're not real what responsible 31:54.560 --> 31:59.520 and when they fix my when they installed a different smoke detector 31:59.520 --> 32:04.160 by me i i know for a fact that making sky didn't try it to see that it 32:04.160 --> 32:07.440 walks i had to do that and it does walk because 32:07.440 --> 32:10.880 he forgot to turn to the breaker pack on that he had a 32:10.880 --> 32:16.320 shed off to um to win uh install it that's 32:16.320 --> 32:20.960 how dependable they are or at least this maintenance guy is 32:20.960 --> 32:28.400 nicer than the last previous um to but um i don't know 32:28.400 --> 32:34.160 maybe he asked the depressor to do um a lot of stuff because they don't have 32:34.160 --> 32:39.600 uh uh enough help i don't know or maybe he 32:39.600 --> 32:43.600 thinks that it's too you know too too much from him but 32:43.600 --> 32:47.360 that's basically what i got to say 32:47.520 --> 32:53.920 the next speaker is Colin McKenna 724 Crabtree Lane 32:54.560 --> 33:05.200 Good evening i'm a member of Racine Interface Coalition 33:05.200 --> 33:15.680 and many immigrants live in Racine and many immigrants are working hard to 33:15.680 --> 33:22.960 get their visa in green card at the is for them it's a long process 33:22.960 --> 33:29.840 to get their visa in green card so i urge you to welcome them to the city 33:29.840 --> 33:35.600 of Racine and i urge you to protect them from ice 33:35.600 --> 33:42.880 because ice is doing terrible thing they drag them out of their vehicle 33:42.880 --> 33:50.000 they break their windows and they need they have rights like we do 33:50.000 --> 33:57.520 so i urge you to protect them and do justice and do the right justice 33:57.520 --> 34:02.880 tonight and vote for this ordinance disintegration 34:02.880 --> 34:06.240 ordinance thank you 34:07.280 --> 34:14.720 the next speaker is Dixit Patel at 6536 Biscan Ahab 34:20.880 --> 34:31.280 Good evening everyone my name is Dixit Patel 34:31.280 --> 34:34.800 thank you for allowing me to uh opportunity to address the council we uh 34:34.800 --> 34:39.360 are requesting this license because we believe our business will bring the 34:39.360 --> 34:43.520 positive addition to the community we are committed to 34:43.520 --> 34:46.880 operating responsibility and following all city 34:46.880 --> 34:49.520 requirements 34:52.640 --> 34:58.080 it's important to stress uh our year in the business at christianos we are 34:58.080 --> 35:01.680 committed to the neighborhood in the board location will be 35:01.680 --> 35:05.120 benefit to all of course we are going to have a 35:05.120 --> 35:10.160 ebt we have made a large investment processing the 35:10.160 --> 35:14.720 building ventillary avenue which is to last to put print for a grocery store 35:14.720 --> 35:19.120 only i would like to be a distancing in the neighborhood 35:19.120 --> 35:23.040 advise them to amount you spend or we spend in the 35:23.040 --> 35:28.080 residence as stakeholder in the community the geographical 35:28.080 --> 35:31.360 contiguous neighborhood is a four to six block and uh 35:31.360 --> 35:36.640 our location is ordered the member of the neighborhood can walk to ride 35:36.640 --> 35:42.640 a bike to end stop uh in the car we experience in the grocery 35:42.640 --> 35:46.880 but we are capable to serve the earlier items ready to eat food 35:46.880 --> 35:50.720 and support the local neighborhood with the food item that will benefit 35:50.720 --> 35:54.400 and enhance their lives this could be fresh produce 35:54.400 --> 35:57.280 meat and ethnic food like italian and mexicans 35:57.280 --> 36:03.200 or any item they might request the desire is 36:03.200 --> 36:07.120 to offer multiple profit center like ready to eat food 36:07.120 --> 36:12.480 and ability to have social area to serve coffee food and bakery 36:12.480 --> 36:17.120 this area will be bright and inviting to member of the community 36:17.120 --> 36:21.840 a design area for people to have formal meeting meet in a small group 36:21.840 --> 36:26.160 socialize and being the grocery store we not have 36:26.160 --> 36:33.760 at the stigma of a dark order bar that promotes ours in the location and heavy 36:33.760 --> 36:38.160 concern some of alcohol there was a committee meeting where 36:38.160 --> 36:41.760 opposed gravity on to end uh earlier request to change the 36:41.760 --> 36:46.320 zoning which projected to sell open a class 36:46.320 --> 36:51.840 class a liquor store liquor license that was watered down as uh 36:51.840 --> 36:56.880 specifically not a part of the current application 36:56.880 --> 37:00.720 the current application is for class billizer which is by 37:00.720 --> 37:05.760 definition is the chapter 125 statue 37:06.160 --> 37:09.680 statue is part of permiss uh consumption by the uh 37:09.680 --> 37:15.920 by the class of alcohol boundaries this proposal is for people to use their 37:15.920 --> 37:20.080 local grocery store as a place to purchase food and 37:20.080 --> 37:23.120 be taken home and the person is ready to eat food 37:23.120 --> 37:27.680 and a balance the class billizer is to have another profit center and offer 37:27.680 --> 37:33.360 good to the community to promote other item in a grocery store 37:34.160 --> 37:38.960 the next speaker is fidel hernandas 939 37:38.960 --> 37:41.600 wilson have 38:04.000 --> 38:08.000 okay 38:17.360 --> 38:22.000 she's going to speak english and he's going to sign 38:24.240 --> 38:29.520 my name is maria ernandes 38:30.320 --> 38:39.120 yes and he's he's my son fidel hernandes 38:39.120 --> 38:50.320 talk say something talk talk yes i'll repeat it 38:50.320 --> 38:58.000 you may you may be there 38:58.000 --> 39:06.880 ernandes are you want what you want to say thank you 39:08.960 --> 39:12.400 thank you for help us 39:12.960 --> 39:20.640 sorry he's got trouble to understand 39:20.640 --> 39:25.280 fester he made interpretation for silent 39:25.280 --> 39:30.960 but he's good boy he's good boy he worked for amazon 39:30.960 --> 39:35.280 he tried for me he went to a schooled delivan 39:35.280 --> 39:39.600 Wisconsin and he gave his drug license 39:39.600 --> 39:44.960 and he's diploma for silent he's so smart 39:44.960 --> 39:49.520 thank you very much 39:50.080 --> 39:54.480 the next speaker is diana valencia at 39 19 39:54.480 --> 39:55.120 ruby ab 40:01.520 --> 40:04.720 thank you um 40:04.880 --> 40:11.040 hi so i do repeat again right so thank you i'm diana valencia 39 19 40:11.040 --> 40:16.000 ruby avenue i like to thank mia mason and all of y'all 40:16.000 --> 40:20.560 and the many leaders um who have the courage to 40:20.560 --> 40:25.600 introduction and move this uh ordinance forward 40:25.600 --> 40:31.040 um i was born and raised in racy in wisconsin and i'm 40:31.040 --> 40:36.240 sure you've heard this many times um we've been here before 40:36.240 --> 40:42.720 as people have been saying um well 250 years 40:42.720 --> 40:47.040 to be exact um and each generation continued 40:47.040 --> 40:52.080 work for peace and that peace is ongoing so um 40:52.080 --> 40:56.560 it's our generation now and uh 40:57.200 --> 41:02.080 i too couldn't just wait and see um what might happen 41:02.080 --> 41:07.600 so um the city is a home to rich and diverse population 41:07.600 --> 41:12.400 whose residents regardless of natural origin and language contribute 41:12.400 --> 41:17.360 to the city's economic strength culture vibrance and civic life 41:17.360 --> 41:21.360 and immigrants and their families build and sustain the city's 41:21.360 --> 41:26.000 economy schools and the neighborhoods making essential contributions to 41:26.000 --> 41:30.400 businesses public service and community life 41:34.320 --> 41:39.920 i like to say myself and the common council and and all of y'all have worked 41:39.920 --> 41:45.440 so hard to keep our city safe and um today i just want to say thank you for 41:45.440 --> 41:50.240 bringing this forward and and hope that uh you continue to move this forward by 41:50.240 --> 41:55.200 saying yes well um and i'm here as uh representative 41:55.200 --> 42:00.320 of lulek the league of united latin american citizens 42:00.320 --> 42:05.920 and um i represent the state uh as uh deputy state director 42:05.920 --> 42:10.080 um so the hard work that you've done is not just for the Hispanic people 42:10.080 --> 42:13.840 but for all immigrants so thank you 42:14.240 --> 42:22.560 the next speaker is shava dalenia jackson at 23 17 21st street 42:28.000 --> 42:31.680 good evening all my name is shavondal and jackson and i am here to support 42:31.680 --> 42:35.360 danny patel for his application for a class B license 42:35.360 --> 42:40.640 danny has already demonstrated that he is a responsible local business owner 42:40.720 --> 42:44.720 through christianos supermarket who i have the pleasure to visit when i forget 42:44.720 --> 42:49.440 ingredients uh for my dinner um he cares about his 42:49.440 --> 42:53.520 customers he maintains a clean and well managed business 42:53.520 --> 42:56.240 and has been a positive part of our community 42:56.240 --> 43:00.320 this new project will bring new investments to the taylor avenue area 43:00.320 --> 43:04.960 create local jobs um and give residents another place to shop 43:04.960 --> 43:09.360 eat and gather instead of leaving a vacant property unused danny is 43:09.360 --> 43:14.240 investing in improving it and making it an asset for the neighborhood 43:14.240 --> 43:18.000 i believe he understands the responsibility that comes 43:18.000 --> 43:22.720 with um maintaining or obtaining a a class B license 43:22.720 --> 43:29.360 um i also know that um he'll maintain security use 43:29.360 --> 43:34.000 surveillance cameras um keeping the property clean and working with the 43:34.000 --> 43:37.120 neighborhood to address any concerns or issues 43:37.120 --> 43:41.200 um i respectfully ask the council to support his application 43:41.200 --> 43:45.280 because i believe he will operate his business professionally and responsibly 43:45.280 --> 43:49.040 um thank you for your time this evening 43:49.040 --> 43:54.960 the next speaker is diane lang at 2908 Ruby Ave 43:57.440 --> 44:02.880 good evening again um i come before you tonight 44:02.880 --> 44:06.720 in favor of the immigration ordinance proposed you 44:06.720 --> 44:11.840 proposal that you'll be voting on but tonight i wear a shirt from my 44:11.840 --> 44:16.320 faith community that says meeting the moment 44:16.320 --> 44:22.400 on the back it says courage is a muscle many people coming up here tonight 44:22.400 --> 44:26.800 have exercised courage just to come before you 44:26.800 --> 44:31.520 and that's so wonderful my faith believes in the inherent 44:31.520 --> 44:37.760 worth and dignity of every person and we believe in justice 44:37.760 --> 44:45.200 equity and compassion in human relations i am tonight standing as a member of 44:45.200 --> 44:49.200 vosas de la franterra a member of the raseen 44:49.200 --> 44:56.160 interfaith coalition the NAACP and i could go on because i have been an 44:56.160 --> 44:59.360 activist in this community since the early 44:59.520 --> 45:02.560 mid-70s 45:02.560 --> 45:07.840 i know i look so young it's hard to believe that i've been here 45:07.840 --> 45:11.840 um so this past monday we heard comments 45:11.840 --> 45:16.720 from the before the executive committee for over an hour by people 45:16.720 --> 45:20.960 who only shared their support for this proposal 45:20.960 --> 45:25.440 they shared their concerns and fears of living in 45:25.520 --> 45:32.000 under the cruel policies of the current federal administration 45:32.000 --> 45:36.640 and the immigration and customs enforcement officers 45:36.640 --> 45:42.560 i share particularly deep concerns about the current cruel policies that our 45:42.560 --> 45:47.280 federal government is enacting not just at immigrants 45:47.280 --> 45:52.320 but also based on religious beliefs if they're lgbtq 45:52.320 --> 45:58.160 if they are temporary protected status citizens from hate 45:58.160 --> 46:03.760 Haiti or afghanis who may have worked to support our military at one point 46:03.760 --> 46:07.120 but now they're disposable and they can be deported 46:07.120 --> 46:14.960 i share particularly deep concerns about the dragnet that ice is continuing to 46:14.960 --> 46:19.440 expand at at some point people who are even 46:19.440 --> 46:24.400 protesting might be now declared domestic terrorist 46:24.400 --> 46:29.120 right so i have six grandchildren and i hope that i'm not 46:29.120 --> 46:34.560 ending my life in the prison but it's possible because we have to stand up 46:34.560 --> 46:38.400 for the moment i support this ordinance for a variety of 46:38.400 --> 46:42.800 reasons i've already been mentioned so i'm not going to go through it again 46:42.800 --> 46:47.840 but increase racial profiling increase deportation 46:47.840 --> 46:52.160 eroding public trust and public safety 46:52.160 --> 46:56.960 and and undermining the economy of our local 46:56.960 --> 46:59.280 city 47:01.120 --> 47:05.280 the next speaker is Nate Ortiz 32 18 47:05.280 --> 47:08.080 Northwestern 47:11.600 --> 47:15.680 hello and thank you for the opportunity tonight thank you to 47:15.680 --> 47:21.600 Mayor Mason and collaborators for putting together the ordinance against 47:21.600 --> 47:27.200 ice and immigration enforcement here in in Racine 47:27.200 --> 47:32.800 i'm here as a teacher here in Racine a teacher who's caught taught students 47:32.800 --> 47:35.360 all the way from kindergarten through 12th grade 47:35.360 --> 47:44.000 and i hear the concerns that they have as evidenced no more by the protests 47:44.000 --> 47:49.920 and other demonstrations that our usd students put on last school year 47:49.920 --> 47:54.000 at the end of the day students are at the center of all the things that we do 47:54.000 --> 47:59.280 as teachers in the classroom and outside of the classroom 47:59.280 --> 48:06.640 the bottom line is that no student should feel unsafe here in Racine 48:06.640 --> 48:10.960 no student should have to wonder whether their parent will still be at home when 48:10.960 --> 48:14.880 they get home which is why i'm in support 48:14.880 --> 48:21.680 of these ordinances and i encourage you to vote yes thank you 48:22.400 --> 48:36.080 the next speaker is Andrew Arena 1110 MLK Drive in Milwaukee 48:41.600 --> 48:45.680 thank you mr mayor and honorable members of the council i'm here to speak with 48:45.680 --> 48:49.680 to you regarding the application of Dixit Patel 48:49.680 --> 48:55.760 for 1950 Taylor Avenue for a class b liquor license 48:55.760 --> 49:01.520 there is a recommendation tonight before you from the committee 49:01.520 --> 49:06.640 which was the result of three votes i believe there's 15 of you 49:06.640 --> 49:10.880 and i'm going to ask you to look at what was proposed 49:10.880 --> 49:17.600 what is proposed and determine if it's reasonable to 49:17.600 --> 49:22.880 override the committee's recommendation and i believe that that is in fact 49:22.880 --> 49:25.840 should be overridden 49:27.120 --> 49:33.920 submitted today by mr Patel was a petition with 79 signatures of people 49:33.920 --> 49:37.360 in support i think it's interesting that i'm here 49:37.360 --> 49:41.600 tonight and you're speaking about your ice ordinance 49:41.600 --> 49:48.560 and there's great support for it here and i find it interesting because 49:48.560 --> 49:53.360 i'm an attorney i'm an economist i have a master's degree 49:53.360 --> 49:56.880 in economics all from the University of Wisconsin 49:56.880 --> 50:02.160 and i have a degree in entrepreneurship and as an economist i'm a free market 50:02.240 --> 50:06.400 person i believe in competition and i believe in 50:06.400 --> 50:11.520 everybody's desire to come here to america 50:11.520 --> 50:15.200 for opportunity and i support opportunity 50:15.200 --> 50:18.720 now a couple of things that occurred at that meeting 50:18.720 --> 50:22.320 was there was a large number of detractors 50:22.320 --> 50:28.240 who were actually mostly indian people who have liquor stores 50:28.320 --> 50:33.600 tavern gas stations that sell beer 50:33.600 --> 50:37.760 and they're in the business and claiming 50:37.760 --> 50:41.600 there's too much liquor available in this area 50:41.600 --> 50:45.760 well that's clearly a desire they're trying to wipe out competition 50:45.760 --> 50:49.280 i find that to be abhorrent and unamerican 50:49.280 --> 50:52.560 we were founded on the idea of a free economy 50:52.560 --> 50:58.160 and we have rules against that the other thing and i think what 50:58.400 --> 51:03.520 persuaded the committee was there is a rehab center 51:03.520 --> 51:12.320 by rosene and the statement was i believe from alderman kelly that 51:12.320 --> 51:16.640 they should not have liquor or be have liquor available 51:16.640 --> 51:19.920 but if that turns on that it doesn't make sense 51:19.920 --> 51:24.000 somebody's not going to walk past five other liquor outlets 51:24.000 --> 51:27.680 to go to danny's grocery store 51:27.680 --> 51:31.680 i mean you have my wife's my girl michael and joey's 51:31.680 --> 51:36.000 brusse's tap tommy's risa's event planning 51:36.000 --> 51:40.080 so why are we going to let that control and i don't think that the county of 51:40.080 --> 51:42.640 rosene 51:46.480 --> 51:53.840 the next speaker is briana shah at two zero zero seven stone bridge drive 51:54.880 --> 52:05.280 hi my name is briana shah and i am here to support 52:05.280 --> 52:08.560 dixie pattel's application for class b license 52:08.560 --> 52:12.640 for danny's grocery i have known danny over the decade 52:12.640 --> 52:16.080 his successfully managed his christian or supermarket 52:16.080 --> 52:20.320 very hardworking and honest business owner who has given his sweat and blur 52:20.320 --> 52:24.400 to run this business after harvard store shut down 52:24.400 --> 52:31.520 this property has been wacken for years he has by this property with a huge 52:31.520 --> 52:34.640 plan of turning into grocery store and daily 52:34.640 --> 52:39.760 this business will bring healthy competition and new job opportunities 52:39.760 --> 52:43.360 for the competition healthy competition is good for 52:43.360 --> 52:47.040 both business and consumer this property is 52:47.040 --> 52:51.600 used to be only grocery store any business is good till it's making 52:51.600 --> 52:55.040 profit and granting class b license will give him 52:55.040 --> 52:59.280 opportunity to this make this business success 52:59.280 --> 53:02.080 this area does not have a true competition 53:02.080 --> 53:05.600 all grocery stores are owned by one single family 53:05.600 --> 53:11.120 and there is only one daily after uh public committee denied the 53:11.120 --> 53:15.840 application uh almost 78 uh people from the 53:15.840 --> 53:19.440 community came together only in one day 53:19.440 --> 53:25.600 and signed a petition he's going to do great i have seen him working so hard 53:25.600 --> 53:28.880 so thank you for your time 53:29.280 --> 53:42.000 the next speaker is hose charo at 5900 wildwood drive 53:45.840 --> 53:52.880 hello everybody thank you mr mayor and the council for 53:52.880 --> 53:58.480 all hoping hopefully passes immigration 53:58.480 --> 54:01.840 i'm speaking i said this once before in konosha 54:01.840 --> 54:07.200 for the for the ksd the kids whenever younger 54:07.200 --> 54:10.000 we went school they were not afraid to go home 54:10.000 --> 54:14.160 they're not afraid to go to school they knew that parents were going to be there 54:14.160 --> 54:17.600 they knew they could get home safe today 54:17.600 --> 54:20.560 they're scared they don't want to go to school 54:20.560 --> 54:23.760 they don't want to go in there they want to sit home but their parents 54:23.760 --> 54:28.000 why should they be afraid to go to school and why should they be afraid to come home 54:28.000 --> 54:31.680 and the parents are missing they shouldn't feel that way 54:31.680 --> 54:34.720 really feel that way did we when you go to school no 54:34.720 --> 54:37.440 so why should they 54:38.320 --> 54:40.880 i mean it's 54:41.120 --> 54:45.920 the immigration thing has to stop we had to protect the kids 54:45.920 --> 54:51.360 all races all every school families have to stay together 54:51.360 --> 54:54.480 they shouldn't be separated 54:55.200 --> 54:58.480 and yes i am with lulak called so 320 receive konosha 54:58.480 --> 55:02.320 and i am the president thank you 55:02.560 --> 55:10.000 the next speaker is amy wellness at 91 30 83rd street 55:11.840 --> 55:22.240 hi um i am amy wellness i have been a rosina unified educator for 13 years 55:22.240 --> 55:28.160 um i am here as an esl teacher i work with multilingual children in the 55:28.160 --> 55:32.080 district meaning that they have families that have 55:32.080 --> 55:36.000 immigrated more recently than i have and they're 55:36.000 --> 55:40.320 they have family members that they love and care about that are impacted by 55:40.400 --> 55:47.200 immigration today um my children have been afraid 55:47.200 --> 55:50.560 for several years now because of what's going on in the world 55:50.560 --> 55:54.640 um they even see people in the school building with that 55:54.640 --> 55:58.400 look official maybe have suits on and they're worried that they're ice 55:58.400 --> 56:01.280 and they're brought to me by an administrator crying 56:01.280 --> 56:04.240 they tell me their parents have told them they need to carry their paperwork 56:04.240 --> 56:08.480 with them and they have their paperwork with them at all times 56:08.480 --> 56:16.640 um it is incredibly hard for me because one of the best parts of my job 56:16.640 --> 56:22.880 is my students and their families um they are why i love my job as much as i 56:22.880 --> 56:28.960 do um whenever they're in need whenever i contact home they are so supportive 56:28.960 --> 56:32.880 they are so caring get a lot of free tamales 56:32.960 --> 56:36.400 um they are some of the most 56:36.400 --> 56:40.160 wonderful giving people that i have ever met 56:40.160 --> 56:45.600 and i keep my students for many years i don't just teach them for a year and 56:45.600 --> 56:51.200 send them on their way i keep them and so i tell them once 56:51.200 --> 56:55.280 you are with me you are mine forever you may grow you may leave you may go to 56:55.280 --> 56:59.120 another school you may become an adult but you will always be a part of me 56:59.120 --> 57:05.520 and to see them afraid to go home to worry about their families it is a 57:05.520 --> 57:11.200 worry that i carry it with me as well um at school i am their safe person 57:11.200 --> 57:18.000 and i want racene to be a safe place for them i want racene to be a community 57:18.000 --> 57:22.640 where they feel safe and i cannot even begin to tell you how much this would 57:22.640 --> 57:26.640 mean to them to know if you pass this ordinance how much 57:26.640 --> 57:31.840 safer they would feel um so i really ask you to consider 57:31.840 --> 57:35.280 passing this ordinance because it would have significant impact on our 57:35.280 --> 57:39.360 children and everyone not just our immigrant families but 57:39.360 --> 57:41.760 everyone because they add so much to our community 57:41.760 --> 57:47.600 and they bring so much joy to our world so thank you 57:47.600 --> 57:55.760 the last speaker is aj zizic at 2402 south lennick street 58:00.080 --> 58:04.720 good evening everyone my name is aj zizic i'm a veteran racene teacher of 21 58:04.720 --> 58:09.600 years and i currently serve as the president of racene educators united 58:09.600 --> 58:14.480 and i'm here speaking as an individual in favor of the immigration ordinance 58:14.960 --> 58:18.480 i believe that how a city treats his most vulnerable and needy says a lot about 58:18.480 --> 58:22.000 his character if we as a city want to show that we are 58:22.000 --> 58:24.720 compassionate and caring then there is no better way 58:24.720 --> 58:29.840 than standing up to an unlawful agency of masked thugs who invade communities 58:29.840 --> 58:35.360 and tear apart families imagine as a student trying to do your best in a 58:35.360 --> 58:39.040 classroom while shouldering the uncertainty that you and your family 58:39.040 --> 58:42.960 and loved ones could be unjustly separated at any time 58:42.960 --> 58:46.560 imagine as a teacher trying to do your best at your job 58:46.560 --> 58:50.000 not knowing whether or not a student would one day just disappear from your 58:50.000 --> 58:54.240 class roster families and businesses thrive in 58:54.240 --> 58:56.000 communities where they know that they are safe 58:56.000 --> 59:01.040 and cared for and that's what this ordinance does 59:01.040 --> 59:04.480 racene needs to be on the right side of history 59:04.480 --> 59:08.000 the legacy of this city and this body depend on making the right choice 59:08.000 --> 59:12.480 and the right choice is to pass this ordinance thank you 59:12.480 --> 59:16.880 this concludes the public comment segment 59:16.880 --> 59:20.080 thank you everyone who came to offer comment just procedurally in terms of 59:20.080 --> 59:22.800 people wondering well we'll have a next we have a series of items that we have 59:22.800 --> 59:26.240 to refer to standing committees then the first item will take action on 59:26.240 --> 59:28.720 tonight will be the the issue that was discussed 59:28.720 --> 59:32.880 around the immigration policy but before us first is referrals to 59:32.880 --> 59:35.360 committees we will start with the first item 59:35.360 --> 59:40.160 alder jorgensen could you please read the first item for referral 59:40.160 --> 59:44.880 yes the first item is 0687-26 communication 59:44.880 --> 59:48.160 sponsored by aldermen whitener for referral to public works and services 59:48.160 --> 59:51.040 committee discussion of implementation of removal of 59:51.040 --> 59:53.680 existing parking meters installation of new signage 59:53.680 --> 59:58.080 and placement of signage and kiosks there's a staff recommendation 59:58.080 --> 01:00:01.360 due to the significant fiscal implications associated with the removal 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.920 of all parking meters including the loss of revenue and potential 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.440 budget impacts this communication should be referred to the finance and 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.520 personnel committee i did have a chance to talk with alder whitener 01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:15.280 and she made it very clear that her item is about the implementation 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.880 of the new parking meters and how that transition works 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:24.560 not related to the removal of all parking meters 01:00:24.560 --> 01:00:27.440 and so i've talked with the director of finance and 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.560 she's comfortable that she won't be at the public works meeting but as long as 01:00:30.560 --> 01:00:33.280 it's related to the actual implementation of the new 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.480 metering strategy everyone is comfortable i am as 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.160 well of moving to refer it to the public works and 01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:43.120 services committee there's a motion and a second to 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:47.360 refer this item to public works um alder whitener would like to speak to 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.360 the motion thank you i'd like to speak to the 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.280 motion to send this to public works um the reason it's not appropriate to go to 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.160 finance it was it just at finance last monday and we 01:00:56.160 --> 01:01:00.480 discussed the financial implications of the contract related to this 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.800 there has been no public outreach with the businesses in the downtown area 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:09.200 six street uh uptown about how it's going to work 01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:13.360 once those uh parking meters are removed i was 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.280 saddened that there has not been more of initiative we do have 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.600 a director of communications we do have a very robust public works 01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:27.200 that in the past would have involved those most involved with 01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:31.360 the consequence for the changes regarding the parking meters being 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.640 removed and a new implementation of both the 01:01:36.640 --> 01:01:42.080 app and texting and kiosks uh businesses need to know 01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:45.680 so they can assure their customers it's going to be able to 01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:50.080 park their vehicles so we need to have public outreach 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:53.120 and that was my hope in this communication that we could have that 01:01:53.120 --> 01:01:56.480 discussion at public works and direct the department 01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:01.440 to make some effort in the business districts um 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:07.200 to let businesses and individuals know how this change is going to affect them 01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:09.920 it's been a motion in a second to refer this item to public works 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.840 all those in favor please say aye opposed that motion carries 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.960 we'll then move on to referrals to finance and personnel 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.320 mary land or i'm sorry altar land would you like to make a motion 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.080 regarding referrals to finance and personnel yes i would like to move to 01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:27.600 following items to finance and personnel 01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:32.160 zero six eight eight dash two six communication requesting the city 01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:36.640 attorney present proposed settlement in the case of adam laki versus city 01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:40.720 of racene item zero six eight nine dash two six 01:02:40.720 --> 01:02:45.040 communication to approve a resolution authorizing the 01:02:45.040 --> 01:02:48.800 issuance and establishing the parameters for the sale up to 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:52.640 22 million seven hundred thousand of twenty twenty six 01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:57.440 general obligation promissory notes to be used for the paying 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:02.480 the cost of various capital improvement and acquisition products and vehicles 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.760 and equipment item zero six nine zero dash two six 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.360 communication requesting permission to enter into agreement 01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:15.280 with tyler technologies for the upgrade and implementation 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:23.280 of our current erp financial software to include the utility billing module 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.360 excuse me item zero six nine one dash two six 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.440 communication to approve a resolution authorizing the issuance 01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.520 and establishing the parameters of a sale up to fifteen million six hundred 01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:39.200 ten thousand of twenty twenty six general obligation 01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:43.120 refunding bonds to refund the general obligation 01:03:43.120 --> 01:03:46.800 promissory notes for the purposes of paying the 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.400 construction cost of the mark dr martin wutherking 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:56.400 community center item zero six nine two dash two six 01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:00.880 communication sponsored by alder land in order presenting a proposed 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.520 ordinance zero zero zero five dash two six 01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:11.360 light nuisance item zero six nine seven dash two six 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.200 communication sponsored by the mayor to apply an accepted donation 01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:19.680 up to five hundred thousand dollars from coal philanthropies 01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:25.200 for the lkcc grant grant 01:04:25.200 --> 01:04:28.320 item zero six nine nine dash two six 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.480 communication sponsored by mayor mason for review and approval 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.920 of the amended twenty twenty six operating plan 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:41.200 for bid district number one downtown 01:04:41.520 --> 01:04:44.640 item zero seven zero zero dash two six 01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:47.440 communications sponsored by mayor mason 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.960 presenting an interim parking modification lease 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:55.600 addendum between the city of racene and mcmin tower 01:04:55.600 --> 01:04:56.880 um i'll take a second 01:04:58.080 --> 01:05:00.800 there's a motion in a second from alder pebone all those in favor 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.720 referring these items to finance and personnel 01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:07.360 please say aye aye opposed that motion carries we now move on 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:11.520 to public works and services alder 01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:14.560 harman did you want to make a motion regarding these items 01:05:14.560 --> 01:05:18.160 yes mayor thank you i would like to move to refer the 01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:21.280 following items to public work services 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:25.440 item zero seven zero six seven zero dash two six 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:30.080 communication sponsored by myself submitting bid results for contract 01:05:30.080 --> 01:05:33.920 twenty twenty six one nine five twenty twenty six 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:39.040 sidewalk replacement item zero six seven seven two six 01:05:39.040 --> 01:05:43.200 communication sponsored by myself submitting final payment for contract 01:05:43.200 --> 01:05:48.560 twenty twenty four zero six two twenty twenty four cctv sewer 01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:53.680 inspection green bay pipe and tv llc contractors 01:05:53.680 --> 01:05:58.560 item zero six seven nine dash two six communication sponsored by myself 01:05:58.560 --> 01:06:03.200 requesting to rescind resolution zero one one seven dash two six 01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:07.680 due to an error in change order number one under contract number twenty twenty 01:06:07.680 --> 01:06:12.480 five one four five with cast check roofing ink for 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:16.000 multi-side roofing work 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.960 item zero six eight six dash two six communication sponsored by myself 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:26.560 requesting to approve final payment to cast check roofing ink under contract 01:06:26.560 --> 01:06:28.960 number twenty twenty five one four five 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.120 for multi-site roofing work and to approve the penalty prescribed 01:06:33.120 --> 01:06:36.240 by the racing works program ordinance 01:06:36.240 --> 01:06:41.120 item zero six eight one dash two six communication sponsored by myself 01:06:41.120 --> 01:06:46.400 requesting to rescind resolution zero one one four dash two six due to an error 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:51.600 and change order number four under contract twenty four one zero seven 01:06:51.600 --> 01:06:55.200 with burgland construction company for tuck 01:06:55.200 --> 01:07:00.160 pointing work item zero six eight two dash two six 01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:04.400 communication sponsored by myself requesting approval a final payment to 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:08.800 burgland construction company for contract number twenty four one zero 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.920 seven for tuck piking work tuck pointing work and to approve the 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:18.000 penalty prescribed by the racing work program 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.560 ordinance 01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.840 item zero six eight three dash two six communication sponsored by myself 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:29.920 submitting change order number two to contract twenty twenty five zero zero 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:34.640 five twenty twenty five sanitary sewer main cipp 01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:42.880 linings visu sewer contract item zero six eight four dash two six 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.480 communication sponsored by myself submitting final payment of contract 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.960 twenty twenty five zero zero five twenty five sanitary 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:58.800 sewer main cipp line linings visual sewer contractor 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.160 communication sponsored by myself amending chapter 01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:06.640 ninety four article two division two speed limits 01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:11.360 more specific section ninety four dash five two 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:16.480 speed limits increased schedule a section one 01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:21.280 we would like to edit the following item in section 130 miles per hour 01:08:21.280 --> 01:08:26.160 from 12th street from east junction of washington avenue to west junction of 01:08:26.160 --> 01:08:30.480 washington avenue to 12th street from east junction of 01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:35.600 washington avenue to south memorial drive 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.400 item zero six eight six dash two six communication sponsored 01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:45.360 by myself image real estate requesting permission for 01:08:45.360 --> 01:08:49.920 revocable occupation permit for the property located at thirteen oh one 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.360 north wisconsin street 01:08:54.320 --> 01:08:59.280 item zero six nine six two six communication sponsored by mere mason 01:08:59.280 --> 01:09:04.880 authorizing the department of public works to close racing street 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:09.680 from karaan but the drive to washington avenue 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:15.120 on october first twenty twenty six from seven a.m. to five p.m. and on 01:09:15.120 --> 01:09:22.240 october second of twenty twenty six from seven a.m. to five p.m. 01:09:22.240 --> 01:09:27.360 for the twenty twenty six city of racing clean sweep number three 01:09:27.360 --> 01:09:34.320 and submit a dual detour plan to wisconsin d.o.t. for approval 01:09:34.320 --> 01:09:37.920 in a motion in a second refer these items to public works and services 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:42.640 all those in favor please say aye opposed that motion carries 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.880 we will now move on to item zero to insert the executive committee report 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.160 i assume there will be separate consideration on this item i will ask 01:09:50.160 --> 01:09:53.440 president jorgensen to please read the item for separate consideration 01:09:53.440 --> 01:09:57.600 yes there's been a request for um this item to be pulled for separate 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:01.680 consideration uh the recommendation of the executive 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.520 committee unanimously was to move to approve item 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:10.480 zero six six five dash two six communication sponsored by mare mason 01:10:10.480 --> 01:10:14.080 all their wife's all their povon all their allen all their land all their 01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:17.360 harmin all their pete all their demarc presenting proposed 01:10:17.360 --> 01:10:23.680 ordnance zero zero zero four dash two six immigration enforcement 01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.720 so motion to approve the item seconded by all their povon 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.200 all their drug insurance would you like to speak to your motion 01:10:29.200 --> 01:10:32.480 you know i think a lot of the folks here have done uh 01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:36.000 said it better than i could have myself other than i think everyone deserves 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.320 to feel safe in receipt we have a couple others in the queue 01:10:40.320 --> 01:10:43.760 alder whiter thank you i used to have a question or two 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:50.320 questions really for the chief of police if he would avail himself 01:10:50.320 --> 01:10:55.360 please take your question and the chief will approach the ds 01:10:59.280 --> 01:11:03.040 thank you for being here chief i know you and i had a conversation about this 01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:06.960 i have two questions the first one is the policies that are outlined in the 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.720 ordnance as presented tonight um have those policies 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:15.840 been in place for the city of ercyn 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.960 oh good evening council members mare um i can i can answer this at the 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:24.720 not as you consider this proposal i think it's important to keep the road 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.120 the um rasim police department in mind 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:32.720 the rasim police department and i think this will answer the question 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.360 is not a civil immigration enforcement agency 01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:39.920 never has been and never will be civil immigration is the responsibility 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.240 of the federal government we the police department do not 01:11:44.240 --> 01:11:47.600 engage in political matters of political debate 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:52.400 our mission is straightforward to investigate crime protect public 01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:56.080 safety and serve let me emphasize this all residents of our 01:11:56.080 --> 01:12:00.720 community no matter what your immigration status is 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.480 i do want to acknowledge that highly publicized federal immigration 01:12:04.480 --> 01:12:08.080 enforcement operations can affect the community trust 01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:12.240 and it has affected just listen to the individuals that are here tonight 01:12:12.240 --> 01:12:15.200 listen to their stories 01:12:15.200 --> 01:12:19.600 the rasim police department is a highly trained organization 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.320 we spend a lot of time in training and 01:12:22.320 --> 01:12:25.840 treating to make sure that we treat our 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.440 individuals our community with dignity and respect 01:12:29.440 --> 01:12:34.720 no matter who you are when people become afraid to interact with law 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:38.320 enforcement victim and witnesses may be less willing 01:12:38.320 --> 01:12:42.720 to report crimes or cooperate with investigations 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:48.000 i can't have that we are about public safety 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:51.520 that makes it more difficult for us to do our job and ultimately affects 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.640 public safety historically the rasim police department has not 01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.960 actively participated in civil civil immigration enforcement 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.000 and has never served as an enforcement department 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:09.120 in those operations never has our focus has always been 01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:13.200 and continues to be keeping our community safe and build trust 01:13:13.200 --> 01:13:17.600 with everyone who lives here i hope that answers the question 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:22.080 maybe not but i wanted to say that because it's important 01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:26.000 and i want you to have that opportunity my second question is has there been 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:31.680 any interaction with any immigrants any residents any citizens 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.840 of the city ever seen with ice that you are aware of 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.760 there's only two instances of those uh incidents have come to mind and those 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:42.080 had to do with departmental homeland security 01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:46.480 who aids in the criminal investigation arm of the federal government 01:13:46.480 --> 01:13:49.920 so was that interaction between the police department and homeland 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.840 security or the individuals and the homeland security that you were 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:56.880 aware of the individuals with the homeland security not the rasim police 01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.520 department okay thank you chief i do have a 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.640 question from the city attorney it's in regards to the 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:06.960 language in this ordinance please state your question 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:11.760 so in the ordinance talks about uh no masks i wonder if there was any 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:17.280 thought or discussion on requiring ice agents in the city ever seen to be 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:22.320 wearing uh cameras as our police department does as 01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:29.040 our sheriff department does 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.200 um sorry 01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:43.680 well that's not in the ordinance um as drafted to see uh 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:51.120 concern is requiring question of requiring a federal law enforcement 01:14:51.120 --> 01:14:57.760 agency to take certain actions or to carry certain 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:04.640 equipment as opposed to the prohibition of any 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:08.960 law enforcement officer with some exceptions of wearing a mask 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:16.000 that the city could not require federal law enforcement 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.800 agencies to be equipped in any particular way 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:27.200 follow up so wasn't there a ruling that said that that 01:15:27.200 --> 01:15:34.080 that federal agents cannot be banned from wearing masks 01:15:34.080 --> 01:15:38.640 there is litigation on these issues that is ongoing 01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:44.000 on just the mask issue or other issues as related to this ordinance 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:48.160 mask issue is the one that we've paid close attention to 01:15:48.160 --> 01:15:51.600 but there are other areas that are being litigated in other 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:57.600 parts of the country thank you thank you 01:15:58.080 --> 01:16:03.360 thank you mr mare so just to a point is that it doesn't matter 01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:07.520 if an incident has or has not happened in the city we don't have to wait for 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.800 something to happen to take action on something 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:15.440 number two to the police chief's uh point here 01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:19.920 that it has been the policy of the Racine Police Department not to engage 01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:23.280 in these kind of activities it's probably also the policy of the Racine County 01:16:23.280 --> 01:16:28.880 Sheriff's Office until it isn't policy is not codification it is not law 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.960 protecting people that's two different things 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.840 whether or not this is at litigation at the federal level which 01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:39.040 why would it not be when this came from the federal level 01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:41.760 is irrelevant there was litigation when they were trying to integrate 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.520 schools there was an integral there was litigation 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:50.960 before president johnson signed the 1965 voting rights act as well 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.400 people are always going to want to try to stop progress 01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:58.400 and for us as city officials people that live here 01:16:58.400 --> 01:17:03.600 we're not just inclined to protect people that have a legal status 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:07.280 because people that don't have a legal status also are residents 01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:11.040 that pay taxes too that are involved in our community that are neighbors 01:17:11.040 --> 01:17:17.680 friends family members spouses so if this is a part of what we can do 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.760 to help them better sleep at night or to help them say hey 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.560 we don't have that many tools but we can do this 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:31.680 then why not regardless of where it's at in a federal level of litigation 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.480 regardless of how many incidents have happened 01:17:34.480 --> 01:17:39.280 and regardless of what the policy is at the time 01:17:39.280 --> 01:17:43.680 we determine policy we are the council 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.360 we decide legislation we decide rules we decide laws and ordinances 01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:52.560 the same way we decide budget so i will not take 01:17:52.560 --> 01:18:00.320 an answer of three-week responses that question this 01:18:00.320 --> 01:18:06.240 period i am in support of this because it's our job 01:18:06.240 --> 01:18:10.320 to help our citizens to help our residents and to make sure 01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:13.200 that we are doing what we can to make them feel safe in the same way 01:18:13.200 --> 01:18:16.160 i went to bat when the douglas bid wanted speed enforcement 01:18:16.160 --> 01:18:19.680 and the same way i've had numerous conversations with the chief 01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:22.800 about all sorts of things going on the same way i just went to night uh 01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:28.240 national night out last night for community 01:18:28.240 --> 01:18:35.280 that is our responsibility and that is our job i'm in support thank you 01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:37.920 alder allen 01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:49.760 alder allen you have before okay thank you and thank you office 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:53.920 uh for chief coming for and answering those questions but i think that 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:59.360 we have to look at what what could happen so to speak with what 01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:03.760 and to lie myself with what alder provone was stating 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:09.840 uh in my walking the police there do not also do not have 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.600 an official policy for working with ice however language matters 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:21.920 and so their official policy allows for cooperation with ice in specific 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:25.600 limited circumstances such as when a judicial warrant is presented or for 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:30.080 violent felony cases gang involvement or terrorism threats 01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:34.000 that statement matters because we have seen 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.960 the context of those statements weaponized by the federal government 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.720 where they have falsely are chosen to identify 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:46.640 a group of people or persons in one of those categories for the 01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:52.560 sheer purpose of being able to detain them we also know of 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:57.360 cases where ice or people who claim to be ice 01:19:57.360 --> 01:20:02.560 are assaulting people on the streets 01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:07.200 my walking has an ice out measure where the common council has passed 01:20:07.200 --> 01:20:10.640 measures aimed at restricting local police from acting as an extension of 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:15.200 ice including a 2026 ordinance to prohibit 01:20:15.200 --> 01:20:20.800 federal agents from wearing masks while operating on city property 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.640 to speak to again with what all the provones stated 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:28.560 we don't have to wait for something to happen we do have to position 01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:33.200 ourselves so that if and when more likely when 01:20:33.200 --> 01:20:39.440 we are able to pivot in a response that protects our community 01:20:39.440 --> 01:20:43.360 and we have to start looking at the community as a whole because 01:20:43.360 --> 01:20:49.840 all of us that do not present in a way that they would like us to 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:53.680 present are in danger of being targeted 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:57.760 and being detained even if we were to be returned 01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:02.960 to our families at some point we have that possibility just because 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.320 and as we have seen the federal government take measures 01:21:06.320 --> 01:21:09.680 with birthright citizenship with the amendments to 01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:15.920 rollback citizenship with their intentional design on interrupting 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:19.120 people on their journey to becoming citizens 01:21:19.120 --> 01:21:22.960 reversing their legal status etc etc all those things 01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:26.960 make us vulnerable and it is our responsibility to protect 01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:31.120 our community and if it makes some of us feel like we are 01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:35.520 better then think about you're protecting yourself as well 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:40.720 and we have to fight against the false contacts and narratives that have been 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:45.840 put out there in order to weaponize fear when there is no reason to fear 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.760 people who are here just simply living 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.760 thank you all the phrases joining us remotely and 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.920 has raised his hand to participate in the conversation 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:59.040 all the phrases you have the floor 01:22:04.400 --> 01:22:11.040 okay sorry we can hear you all right um so as 01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:15.520 though the only person on this council that serves in law enforcement 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:19.440 um everything that i i do i try to view through the 01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:24.560 lens of uh public safety and i think the chief hit it hit hit the 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.760 nail in the head um the distinction first is that 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:33.120 ices a federal agency and their work is is on the 01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:36.560 federal level whereas the police department is local 01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:39.360 and he hit it on the head about public trust 01:22:39.360 --> 01:22:44.000 um victims have to feel comfortable reporting crimes and witnesses have to 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:47.680 be willing to come forward and families must be 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:52.240 confident when they call 9-1-1 um that they will be protected and that their 01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:55.280 needs will be addressed tonight we heard from i want to say 01:22:55.280 --> 01:23:00.240 21 people out of those 21 people 12 of those individuals who 01:23:00.240 --> 01:23:05.680 who spoke spoke in favor of this ordinance um i think that speaks to the 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:16.160 seriousness of this um we we see we see what we see what's 01:23:16.160 --> 01:23:19.520 happening in other communities and to just 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:23.360 add to the conversation with order allen and other pobon 01:23:23.360 --> 01:23:27.920 this is a proactive matter i would hate for us to be like some of those other 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:31.680 communities namely in minnesota who have seen the 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:37.440 results of ice uh in their communities um it's not it's not a good thing when 01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:40.000 you have a federal agency that's not connected to your 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.400 community come in wreak havoc essentially and leave 01:23:44.400 --> 01:23:47.760 and then we're left as a municipality that's already 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:52.960 struggling with funding uh our city to clean up the mess that they make 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:59.200 uh so this is just this ordinance i i stand with it i agree with it 01:23:59.200 --> 01:24:01.520 as law enforcement as a black man i'm not a 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.840 Hispanic so i really don't know uh all of the the fears that they have but i 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:12.080 can em i can um i can understand what what they 01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:15.040 feel and so i think that this is this is good 01:24:15.040 --> 01:24:18.800 um and we need to to support this and get this 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:22.960 going forward thanks thank you all your 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:31.040 thank you mr mayor uh first of all i'd just like to say um i would like to 01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:35.040 also be a sponsor uh of this ordinance uh i'm 01:24:35.040 --> 01:24:37.280 speaking without objection we will add you as a 01:24:37.280 --> 01:24:40.160 co-sponsor to the atom thank you i also want to say that i'm 01:24:40.160 --> 01:24:43.600 speaking in behalf of the young people for the yes group i've been there 01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:48.080 several times over the last three years and i've seen some amazing young people 01:24:48.080 --> 01:24:52.640 and they have bright futures ahead of them and as leaders of uh this 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:57.440 a city council and local government we set we set the standard for the city 01:24:57.440 --> 01:25:02.640 uh i too want to say that you know we want to make sure that racing is a 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:05.840 safe place for all and not only a safe place for all but 01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:11.040 that people don't have to be fearful for and uh the public have spoken they've 01:25:11.040 --> 01:25:14.160 came out tonight i don't see this place rarely full 01:25:14.160 --> 01:25:19.040 except us uh just you know 15 of us and sometimes five or six out there in the 01:25:19.040 --> 01:25:22.400 audience but tonight is full because they are very 01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:25.200 very concerned about what's going to happen here so 01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:29.440 our two will be supporting this ordinance thank you 01:25:30.400 --> 01:25:35.600 on repeat thank you mr mayor i'd like to say again thank 01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:39.920 the people in the audience that came out give us input and let us know as a 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.600 council how they feel so as we make our decisions 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:47.200 and i want to remind everyone that we're 01:25:47.200 --> 01:25:51.040 sitting out a message of how we feel at the city level 01:25:51.040 --> 01:25:54.480 i think office appraiser as well as chief of police 01:25:54.480 --> 01:26:00.480 said it very well uh if the after this is done or if this 01:26:00.480 --> 01:26:04.240 item passes then at least the people know that the 01:26:04.240 --> 01:26:08.560 received police department is not in cahoots with 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.480 some other law enforcement agency while at the same time 01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:17.680 they will be following the law as we all will thank you 01:26:18.240 --> 01:26:20.880 order hermit 01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:30.800 thank you mayor um i spoke as um one of the sponsors of this 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:35.120 ordinance this past monday during executive 01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:39.760 committee meeting and so that was where the bulk of my 01:26:40.240 --> 01:26:48.960 support regarding this bill was said and at that time i said how proud i was 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:52.640 of my race scene residents and the people that i know 01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:58.320 who actually came out and spoke and i named people like diana and 01:26:58.320 --> 01:27:05.280 angelina cruz and diane lank and tami hayward and linda boil and 01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:12.320 mike frontier um but tonight i am proud of my 01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:18.160 alderman and all the women who are also supporting this 01:27:18.160 --> 01:27:22.560 and who are jumping on board of something that is good 01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:27.120 and all the pepon i'm really proud of all that you've said 01:27:27.120 --> 01:27:31.440 and i appreciate being able to work with you and those are your true 01:27:31.440 --> 01:27:36.720 true thoughts and i believe it and all the allen and all the horton 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:43.280 and and just all of us i appreciate working with a council 01:27:43.280 --> 01:27:48.080 that cares more about you know what benefits everyone 01:27:48.080 --> 01:27:52.640 so um thank you mayor thank you for the legal department 01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:57.120 and um putting this together thank you race scene 01:27:57.120 --> 01:28:02.400 for for having you know thoughts about how we can be strong together 01:28:02.400 --> 01:28:05.840 so i support this 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:09.440 welcome to mark 01:28:10.320 --> 01:28:13.760 i just want to say thank you to the community for coming out here 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:19.440 and speaking their their mind for this ordinance um i want to say thank you to 01:28:19.440 --> 01:28:26.560 mayor mason for bringing this up um as a um 01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:30.560 as my grandmother was an immigrant from europe 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:35.360 um she is she was dealt with some things 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:38.480 not as much as what's going on right now 01:28:38.480 --> 01:28:42.880 but all immigrants should be treated with respect 01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:49.040 with dignity and they should be they should be treasured 01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:58.400 um this this ordinance won't stop us but it will hold them accountable 01:28:58.400 --> 01:29:01.600 for what they're doing 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:08.560 otherwise so i know we're kind of all saying the same thing 01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:13.440 but this was such an easy one for me to support i think i emailed back so 01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:17.200 quickly that it wasn't even uh able to get on the agenda yet because 01:29:17.200 --> 01:29:22.880 terror was out of time um but when i was at a town hall when i was 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:27.600 working really hard to try to um be able to serve in this position 01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:31.520 there was a request for questions and there were four or five questions just 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:35.680 from my district around should people feel safe when they need to call for 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:40.320 help and it was really obvious that it's it's an 01:29:40.320 --> 01:29:43.840 it's obviously not an issue just in my district but it was on the top of mind 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:47.360 that four or five people submitted that as a question 01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:52.160 um so i was really excited to see this so thank you for for bringing this 01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:56.480 forward and giving us the opportunity um to talk about this tonight i know the 01:29:56.480 --> 01:29:59.600 chief i loved what he said and i appreciate that if this 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:03.280 was not here tonight he wouldn't have had the opportunity to say that 01:30:03.280 --> 01:30:06.080 in front of this group and i think that was really important that he had the 01:30:06.080 --> 01:30:09.200 opportunity um so thank you for saying that because 01:30:09.200 --> 01:30:13.680 people need to know how you feel too um as a leader in this community 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:18.480 um so just you know as an educator everything um i just really appreciate 01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:22.000 the support for this and i really appreciate seeing everybody here and 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:26.400 just being able to um i think somebody said hope so 01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:31.120 i hope we can be a small part of providing hope 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:37.680 other dangers thank you 01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:44.560 you may notice my name is not listed as a sponsor 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:52.080 only because sometimes i think things are performative i'm here to say i support 01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:58.880 this ordinance as this is part of the advocacy i'm all about 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:04.480 um working with in the past with yes voices and 01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:08.720 knowing about lulac for and to see that racing 01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:13.680 is stepping up to the movement and making noise 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:20.480 willy bring some warmth to my heart and also thank you to everyone who 01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:24.480 came stood for it that shared your stories 01:31:24.480 --> 01:31:28.800 stories from your youth your students and your own personal stories 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:36.320 it takes guts to come up and speak um and be vulnerable at times of where 01:31:36.320 --> 01:31:41.760 um issues in this administration puts you so to speak up 01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:46.560 i appreciate that and i'm here to support and see 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:50.480 how we move forward thank you 01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:55.760 i'll do right here for a second time my first time i was asking questions the 01:31:55.760 --> 01:32:01.040 first time i had made no comments but i do have a comment to make 01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:06.320 now i first i want to thank alder frazier for reiterating the comments that 01:32:06.320 --> 01:32:10.080 were made by our police chief and for sharing his 01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:14.400 perspective as an active member of law enforcement i think it's really 01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:20.080 important for us to hear that um i am saddened at any member of 01:32:20.080 --> 01:32:23.120 this body would ridicule or try to shout down an 01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:27.200 aldermen who asks questions especially of our 01:32:27.200 --> 01:32:32.400 our very highly paid staff whose uh opinion and advice that we 01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:36.400 would lie on in order to make the decisions that we have to make 01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:40.560 it was very important to me to hear from the police chief 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.960 and the city attorney in regards to the ordinance that's before us 01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:49.120 um although i've had conversations with the police chief and i understand that 01:32:49.120 --> 01:32:52.960 these policies that are now being codified have been in 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.960 place since 2008 i think thought it was important 01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:00.720 for us as a body and the people that are here attending tonight 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:06.000 hear a perspective from the police chief i also wanted to hear from 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:09.360 the city attorney's office on why we were not 01:33:09.360 --> 01:33:13.360 proposing to have body cams on the federal agents 01:33:13.360 --> 01:33:17.200 like we do with our our police here in racine 01:33:17.200 --> 01:33:22.240 so i just wanted to make those comments uh that 01:33:22.240 --> 01:33:26.000 any aldermen serving on this committee should not be ridiculed or 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:30.480 lessened or diminished in any way because they ask questions 01:33:30.480 --> 01:33:34.480 and it should never be assumed that an aldermen has a certain perspective 01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:39.360 because they ask questions the reason we ask questions is we want to have a 01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:42.880 fuller understanding and we also want everyone to have a fuller 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:47.760 understanding so i hope we'll all be cognizant of that going forward 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:50.160 thank you 01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:58.080 any other discussion on this item okay so um there's no one left in the queue 01:33:58.080 --> 01:34:01.040 we do have alder freezer participating remotely 01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:05.680 which means we will do a roll call vote so when the clerk calls your name and 01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:09.760 again i just want to remind everybody this is what we're voting on 01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:15.360 and again this is item six six five dash two six 01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:19.520 communication sponsored by mare mason alderweiss alder pebone 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:24.800 alder allen alder land alder harman alder peat alder mark and now alder 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:28.080 horton as well presenting proposed ordinance zero zero zero 01:34:28.080 --> 01:34:31.600 four dash two six regarding immigration enforcement 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:34.880 a vote in favor of it would enact the ordinance 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:38.720 into law when the clerk calls your name please vote 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:49.360 as you wish alder land alder demark alder harman alder pebone alder 01:34:49.360 --> 01:34:59.920 freezer alder weiss alder davis alder jorgensen alder weidner alder 01:34:59.920 --> 01:35:08.400 horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat 13 eyes zero 01:35:08.400 --> 01:35:13.280 nose congratulations the motion is passed unanimously 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.920 i just wanted to take a moment of personal privilege and just thank the 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.320 community for coming together this is in some ways 01:35:24.320 --> 01:35:27.280 the very best definition of a community people coming together and help each 01:35:27.280 --> 01:35:30.240 other out to protect one another and make their voices heard in our 01:35:30.240 --> 01:35:33.840 democracy so on behalf of the entire city of russian and now a 01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:38.080 unanimous vote on city council thank you and to our immigrants you are welcome 01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:41.120 you are allowed any of every right to feel safe in our community 01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:49.280 thanks everyone 01:35:50.160 --> 01:35:56.960 I will also just say as people are filing out we do have other 01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.320 businesses to continue if you would like to continue conversations 01:36:00.320 --> 01:36:04.720 please don't do so in the hallway preferably relatively quietly 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:09.040 we will move now on to finance and personnel alder land did you have any 01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:14.880 items for separate consideration yes i do i have one item for separate 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:22.800 consideration please read that item item 0659-26 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:26.880 communications sponsored by mayor medicine requesting to further land 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:31.680 why don't we wait just one minute for the the folks to exit the building or the 01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:35.760 the room just so everybody can hear you and we can give 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:39.760 the next item it's due attention 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:25.520 okay i'll go land please read the first item for separate 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:31.520 consideration item 0659-26 communications sponsored by mayor mason 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:35.440 requesting permission that the mayor and the city clerk can turn to 01:37:35.440 --> 01:37:40.960 development agreement with the cda and newmen companies llc 01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:47.920 regarding the geezy school property located at 51 20 bird avenue 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:52.240 the recommendation of the finance and personnel committee 01:37:52.240 --> 01:37:56.880 that the mayor and the city clerk or their designates be authorized 01:37:56.880 --> 01:38:01.840 to enter into development agreement with the community development authority 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:05.440 of the city racing and newmen companies llc 01:38:05.440 --> 01:38:11.360 for the development of the geezy school property located at 51 20 bird avenue 01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:18.320 fiscal note 1031 infrastructure funds would be used in the following ways and 01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:23.520 amounts approximately 2.3 million dollars for the installation of roads 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:29.120 utilities sores water main street lighting electric and gas utilities 01:38:29.120 --> 01:38:34.640 1.7 million dollars for down payment assistance on finished homes that would 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:40.080 be 50 000 per lot 300 000 of storm sewer 01:38:40.080 --> 01:38:43.280 infrastructure would also be funded by account 01:38:43.280 --> 01:38:50.960 604 84592 0z or storm water contribution move to approve 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.600 there's a motion and a second to approve this item 01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:56.160 discussion 01:38:57.200 --> 01:39:00.720 all the land yes you have the right to speak to your motion 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.360 all their land 01:39:10.400 --> 01:39:17.520 okay um we had this presentation done at the finance and personnel 01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:22.880 committee i find it to be a very exciting proposal a very innovative 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:29.760 proposal i mean we're teaming up with racing unified school district in the 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:35.520 city of racing into a unique deal that i think is really great for 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:39.600 both they were going to sell the land for quite a bit more 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:43.440 our usd and they sold it to us for one dollar 01:39:43.440 --> 01:39:47.360 and in that we're bringing in newmen homes which 01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:51.360 and which is a very reputable company to build 01:39:51.360 --> 01:39:58.000 34 units of single family homes they'll be some ranch and some two story 01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:04.240 and then we will offer city racing employees and our usd 01:40:04.240 --> 01:40:09.440 employees 50 000 down pay down payment to buy one of these homes that are 01:40:09.440 --> 01:40:13.920 going to be worth about 350 000 some maybe more 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.880 and i think this is ideal we're going to build 01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:21.360 another little community in racing and we know we have to 01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:25.040 we're hemmed in so to bring people in it's a great 01:40:25.040 --> 01:40:30.640 way to do it and to live in the city of racing and to encourage 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.120 people that work for the city of racing in our usd to 01:40:35.120 --> 01:40:38.080 move into the city of racing and support the 01:40:38.080 --> 01:40:43.520 city that with their property taxes i think it's a great 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:47.440 idea and i support it thank you all tonight 01:40:47.440 --> 01:40:50.720 under wider thank you i have a couple questions one 01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:56.320 is for the interim directors are assistant 01:40:56.320 --> 01:41:00.320 director of city development and another one would be for the finance 01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:04.160 director if the respect to staff people could 01:41:04.160 --> 01:41:07.120 please approach the ds 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:23.360 just a quick question chef i don't think you need your laptop 01:41:23.360 --> 01:41:26.320 i had posed the question to you i had not yet got an answer 01:41:26.320 --> 01:41:30.160 is this newman home shall i see the same newman 01:41:30.160 --> 01:41:35.920 developer that had been contracted to do point blue back in 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:39.920 two thousand six seven eight not to my knowledge from the research i 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:42.800 had i thought i wrote back to you sorry if i didn't but it is a different 01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:45.600 person altogether the development there is totally different different 01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.560 company no i i hadn't heard back but i know you 01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:50.560 haven't been feeling well hope you feel better 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:54.160 okay it's not the same according to your research 01:41:54.160 --> 01:41:56.720 no it's different because i it wasn't clear to me 01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.240 when i did my research now the developer we're working with for newman they 01:42:00.240 --> 01:42:02.960 don't really build the style of homes that would have been proposed that 01:42:02.960 --> 01:42:06.160 point blue in like two thousand six or eight so it's totally different 01:42:06.160 --> 01:42:09.200 developer from our research different newman 01:42:09.280 --> 01:42:14.480 okay thank you you welcome and then i'm sorry i'll 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.840 please continue my other question was for the finance director and it was in 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:23.040 regards to a question that was posed to alderman mac 01:42:23.040 --> 01:42:29.040 at the finance committee in regards to if this would be an appropriate use 01:42:29.040 --> 01:42:33.680 of the sewer agreement funding which according to the documents you've 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:42.000 provided today were uh in 2026 2025 2026 we received about 3.3 million 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.920 dollars from the sewer agreement and it is my 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:51.200 absolute recollection that the sewer agreement was intended for the purposes 01:42:51.200 --> 01:42:55.600 of economic development which would include a project such as this 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:59.840 so i'm wondering if and i i also noticed that we have had really no 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.960 expenditures to speak of from that shared revenue 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:06.880 fund so can you kind of give us an idea uh Kathleen of why 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:13.280 we would be using tid bunny from tid 31 rather than the ig fund for this 01:43:13.280 --> 01:43:17.840 infrastructure in particular but also the down payment assistance 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:21.440 sure sure um so just before i begin i just 01:43:21.440 --> 01:43:25.920 wanted i want all the elders to know that when we go through development 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:29.600 projects like this the finance department myself 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:33.920 especially analyzes all potential funding sources 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.920 for any project of this scale or any expense relating to economic 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:43.200 development actually any expense period when i look at those funding sources 01:43:43.200 --> 01:43:48.800 i look at not just today i look at 10 years from now 15 years from now and 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:53.200 what is the best funding source today to make sure that we're still 01:43:53.200 --> 01:43:56.800 sustainable for economic development into the future 01:43:56.800 --> 01:44:01.440 having said that and why i am saying that is because the fund that Alderman 01:44:01.440 --> 01:44:05.360 Weiner is referring to the intergovernmental revenue 01:44:05.360 --> 01:44:11.680 sharing fund was developed as part of the sewer agreement that was 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:15.520 signed with the surrounding municipalities 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:20.480 and at that time it provided the city ever seen with revenue sharing 01:44:20.480 --> 01:44:24.720 payments of which is part of the budget every year that you guys adopt 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:30.080 that agreement ends in 2032 that is all we have 01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:34.960 we gave up our rights in that agreement to any more land 01:44:34.960 --> 01:44:39.840 we gave up our ability to annex and get new land to be able to develop 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:43.680 all we got were the revenue sharing payments and while they are 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:48.960 coming in and we do have them those funds need to be set aside to be 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:56.720 used in 2031 2032 20334567 out into the future 01:44:56.720 --> 01:45:01.280 that is why this funding source as approved by the common counsel in the 01:45:01.280 --> 01:45:03.840 project plan just to remind you the common 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:07.360 council when they approved project plan number 31 01:45:07.360 --> 01:45:12.560 approved this project in that project plan with this funding source of 01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:17.520 number 31 so in my professional opinion 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:21.120 IG funds for this project should not be used 01:45:21.120 --> 01:45:26.320 and they should be set aside for years 32 33 34 35 01:45:26.320 --> 01:45:30.720 when we still are going to have extreme economic development needs 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:35.520 and we will have no revenue stream to pay for them 01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:46.160 so i just follow up on that so 32 33 34 35 01:45:46.160 --> 01:45:50.000 so we're setting aside the three million three and a half million 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:53.120 four million probably going to be up to six million a couple years that we're 01:45:53.120 --> 01:45:56.720 going to be receiving in intergovernmental funds we're setting 01:45:56.720 --> 01:46:01.040 that aside for really no purpose at all but 01:46:01.040 --> 01:46:07.360 had not this funding been ending as per the contract the 30-year contract 01:46:07.360 --> 01:46:10.880 would this have been an appropriate use for the infrastructure and the 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:14.640 down payment assistance for the project on bird avenue 01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:18.160 the IG fund is there for economic development yes 01:46:18.160 --> 01:46:22.400 okay thank you i would just remind the council the council adopted an ordinance 01:46:22.400 --> 01:46:26.560 change that requires the IG funds to be used on a revolving loan basis 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:30.640 so they are recycled and not for one-time funding expenditures again that's 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.920 council adopted policy uh on that topic 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:34.720 okay thank you 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:43.840 under whiter you have the floor thank you i do have a couple comments to make 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:49.600 um reiterating some of what i said at the finance committee last monday 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:53.920 but i want to expand on that a little bit so this is not going to be the first 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:56.480 time that we dip into a neighborhood 01:46:56.480 --> 01:47:00.800 tit and take taxpayer dollars from a group of taxpayers and move it 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:04.480 someplace else i'm afraid this is a slippery slope that will 01:47:04.480 --> 01:47:12.640 will continue long into the future um tit 31 covers about 375 acres of modest 01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:16.880 homes most assessed between 80,000 and 200,000 01:47:16.880 --> 01:47:21.360 and the plan necessarily classifies nearly 60 percent of that acreage as 01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:25.680 needing rehabilitation the condition of those residents homes 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:29.600 is the legal basis for the district existing 01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:34.080 they were promised repair and renovation loans and grants 01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:38.240 they were promised that 25 percent of the taxes that they pay into their 01:47:38.240 --> 01:47:42.080 tit would be designated for public infrastructure 01:47:42.080 --> 01:47:47.200 within their tit instead not one dollar of the revenue taken from their 01:47:47.280 --> 01:47:51.040 property taxes has gone into infrastructure improvements 01:47:51.040 --> 01:47:55.680 into their neighborhoods instead what the mayor is proposing and is before 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.400 you tonight is four million dollars taken from 01:47:58.400 --> 01:48:04.240 tit 31 four million that doesn't even exist yet 01:48:04.240 --> 01:48:06.640 two point three million is to build the roads 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:11.040 sewer streetlights for a private developer's new subdivision 01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:15.920 a half mile outside of tit 31 and one point seven million 01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:20.080 in down payment assistance which will be reserved for the briefing memorandum 01:48:20.080 --> 01:48:24.160 for employees of Racine Unified and the City of Racine 01:48:24.160 --> 01:48:27.040 not for the hard-working tax-paying property owners 01:48:27.040 --> 01:48:33.440 in in tit 31 not one line of it is repair loan to the homeowners this 01:48:33.440 --> 01:48:36.720 district will build on no taxpayer paying the taxes 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:39.920 in tit 31 will be eligible for the 50,000 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:43.520 dollar down payment assistance that they are funding 01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:47.440 unless of course they are so fortunate as to be a unified or a City of Racine 01:48:47.440 --> 01:48:50.880 employee meanwhile here's what the district's 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:54.880 residents actually received when their alleys needed repaving 01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:59.760 they got special assessments five eight eleven thousand dollars out of their 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:04.000 pockets from households earning around fifty five 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:09.040 thousand per year after this council was told 01:49:09.040 --> 01:49:12.880 tit funds could not be used to cover alley work 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:16.720 the average unified salary is nearly seventy seven 01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:19.600 thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars more 01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:23.200 than an entire medium household for the entire 01:49:23.200 --> 01:49:28.160 that the entire City of Racine earns so follow it through their home's 01:49:28.160 --> 01:49:31.680 condition created this district their tax growth 01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:36.880 fills it their schools for go the revenue for up to 27 years 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:40.000 they pay the special assessments for their own alleys 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.440 and the first four million dollars for 01:49:43.440 --> 01:49:49.520 infrastructure they I will guarantee it will be 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:54.320 just the first four million out of the door builds a subdivision on 01:49:54.320 --> 01:49:57.440 bird avenue which is entirely outside of the boundaries of 01:49:57.440 --> 01:50:01.280 tit 31 with a fifty thousand dollar down payment for 01:50:01.280 --> 01:50:04.640 government employees who out earn them the plan 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:08.080 promises these residents these residents renovation loans 01:50:08.080 --> 01:50:11.760 this agreements hands their money to people who don't live there 01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:16.160 and this is the template not the exception at Lincoln King publicly 01:50:16.160 --> 01:50:19.120 built town homes went to the school district employees 01:50:19.120 --> 01:50:23.920 at a hundred thousand dollars off buyers chosen by outside entities 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:28.960 and made this district's plan was expanded past 50 million dollars tonight 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:34.080 four million is the opening draw three questions that I have received no 01:50:34.080 --> 01:50:38.240 answer is the assistance per lot or per purchaser 01:50:38.240 --> 01:50:43.680 and what is the maximum exposure what under what provisions was cash 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:46.720 down payment assistance to the employees of two public 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:51.120 employers added to a plan that promised homeowner repair loans 01:50:51.120 --> 01:50:55.920 and did the joint review board vote on this specific use 01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:58.960 and is this Newman homes LLC the same failed 01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:03.840 failed developer from point blue 2008 well I guess that question got answered 01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:07.760 to me tonight before one development dollar 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:11.360 or one fifty thousand dollar uh down payment 01:51:11.360 --> 01:51:14.720 fund the repair and renovation loans that this promised 01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:19.920 with priority on those alley assessment credit for the district's residents 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:23.120 that they're already paying the people in tit 31 01:51:23.120 --> 01:51:26.960 didn't just pay for this district their homes are the reason it legally 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:32.080 exist you can the reason that tit 31 01:51:32.080 --> 01:51:37.280 exist on page 17 of the original plan adopted by the council 01:51:37.280 --> 01:51:41.760 I asked you to vote no on this the taxpayers in tit 31 were 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:46.080 were told this investment was theirs prove it 01:51:46.080 --> 01:51:51.360 this proposal is the antithesis of robin hood and the numbers prove that 01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:55.600 so I hope you will hold this down there are other sources of 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:59.200 revenues that could and should be used to pay for the infrastructure and the 01:51:59.200 --> 01:52:02.560 down payment assistance for that development thank you 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:07.120 alder bravone thank you mr so I think it's important to outline 01:52:07.120 --> 01:52:13.360 that as a city that is facing the structural deficit the economic impacts 01:52:13.360 --> 01:52:16.720 that we have that we all know that we're all aware of 01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:20.400 that director fissure has said many many times it's important for us to 01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:25.200 utilize every tool available to us when she said those particular funds are 01:52:25.200 --> 01:52:29.680 for our cushion because we know the years ahead are going to be hard 01:52:30.080 --> 01:52:33.920 we're talking about what was originally promised when the tip is made and those 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:37.760 titts being amended and the half mile clause being included in 01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:41.280 there project plans approved by the council 01:52:41.280 --> 01:52:45.200 already water agreements is an attorney all that stuff before I was even on the 01:52:45.200 --> 01:52:49.680 council I do have a question for either 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:56.400 assistant director hence or the director of finance director fissure 01:52:56.400 --> 01:53:00.880 about what happens to the fifty thousand dollars 01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:04.320 if you know because I know it's the 120 day 01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:08.240 right that it's for either our usd or the city proceeding but what 01:53:08.240 --> 01:53:11.200 what happens to that that funding just put back into 01:53:11.200 --> 01:53:17.680 the tid or or how that works could you just elaborate on that for me please 01:53:17.680 --> 01:53:21.040 yeah excellent question so if it wasn't used in this area by 01:53:21.040 --> 01:53:25.200 employee it would just remain in the tid okay after the 120 days and it would 01:53:25.200 --> 01:53:29.920 be used for some purpose in 31 in that area thank you 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:33.200 so it makes sense that they would have some sort of incentive in there because 01:53:33.200 --> 01:53:37.280 our usd is the one that gave us the land and our usd 01:53:37.280 --> 01:53:42.240 is also funded from taxpayer dollars so now we're building 01:53:42.240 --> 01:53:47.200 on something that would have been is just like vacant land at this point 01:53:47.200 --> 01:53:49.920 34 homes that will increase the tax base 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:54.160 not only that but incentivize people that teach our children 01:53:54.160 --> 01:53:57.200 that are educators and administrators so on and so forth 01:53:57.200 --> 01:54:01.760 and incentivize people from the city that work for the city to live 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:04.400 in the city 01:54:05.040 --> 01:54:07.520 so it's not about a misappropriation of funds 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:10.800 I spoke with director fissure in length about this if she could please 01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:15.280 clarify how many of those the ten thousand dollar home loan repair 01:54:15.280 --> 01:54:19.280 grants a year is at a thousand if I remember correctly 01:54:19.280 --> 01:54:24.640 and I'll to I don't want to do a loaded question here but 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.560 also out of this tid how do we make sure that those people 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:31.600 are applying for those are still getting it or is this project taking 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:34.000 precedent 01:54:35.040 --> 01:54:38.880 no that's a good question thank you the homeowner repair grants will still 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:44.080 take place in tid number 31 I'm just looking it up real quick I 01:54:44.080 --> 01:54:48.000 apologize I don't remember off the top and I had what it was but 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:53.280 it is quite a few that we have given 01:54:53.280 --> 01:55:02.640 so about 135 in 2026 that we have given out 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:10.000 okay so how do you make sure that the repair grants are applied for by these 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.280 homeowners are not pushed out of the way by 01:55:13.440 --> 01:55:17.440 this particular project absolutely thank you for the question 01:55:17.440 --> 01:55:21.360 so we do an internal budget for each one of the tids each year so we set 01:55:21.360 --> 01:55:25.280 aside the grant money first and then the infrastructure money there after 01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:28.800 this would be coming out of the infrastructure money 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:32.320 so the grants are always going to come first they'll go in that same type of 01:55:32.320 --> 01:55:35.040 rotation as the grants do now right we open one 01:55:35.040 --> 01:55:39.760 at a time just for administration purposes but 01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:42.960 the grants will still take place just like they have before 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.960 thank you I would be in support of something like this because 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:52.640 we have to find ways and opportunities we can't build out 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:56.560 some people were on council when these water contracts were made 01:55:56.560 --> 01:56:02.160 and crippled our ability to expand 01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:08.880 to annex to grow we can't grow out so we have to grow up 01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:12.320 and news flash even when we do that that just allows us 01:56:12.320 --> 01:56:16.480 per the current levy formula to raise taxes to help us get out of that 01:56:16.480 --> 01:56:20.320 structural deficit but by increasing our property tax base 01:56:20.320 --> 01:56:25.280 and utilizing the funds that we have available to us 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:29.520 this is the these are one of the best ways that we can do this 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:33.360 while maintaining that fund we're going to need 01:56:33.360 --> 01:56:36.960 as a cushion in the coming years 01:56:37.360 --> 01:56:40.800 we don't get anywhere by doing the same thing over and over and over again 01:56:43.360 --> 01:56:44.640 so I would support this thank you 01:56:47.440 --> 01:56:48.160 alder to mark 01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:57.680 hang on alder to mark let me turn your microphone on 01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:04.640 all right I think this is a great opportunity for the Racine 01:57:05.200 --> 01:57:09.120 the city we're seeing to grow right now is a vacant land 01:57:09.120 --> 01:57:13.600 it's not getting any type of tax revenue it's just a vacant land owned by the 01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:18.720 district this is a great opportunity to get 01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:25.040 people in the houses into the city to contribute more into the city 01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:29.280 and to add to our revenue and I'm sorry but 01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:38.800 to to reduce our usd workers and city workers as not hard working people 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:44.400 I find that disgusting because I am our usd worker and I am as hard as 01:57:44.400 --> 01:57:47.280 workers anyone else in the city so that's it 01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:50.480 alder Harman 01:57:53.440 --> 01:57:54.160 thank you mayor 01:58:00.240 --> 01:58:08.800 I think that sometimes people encourage a certain vote by 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:13.680 kind of making people scared or fearful 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:20.960 and I'm not pointing anyone out but this is what I'm hearing I am hearing 01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:27.840 that you should not perhaps vote for this because 01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:38.240 it takes money from one kid in which taxpayers are putting money into that 01:58:38.240 --> 01:58:45.600 kid and they are expecting some type of infrastructure improvements 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:50.800 and for that money to go into that kid and by taking money from 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:58.400 that and putting it in another kid it actually defeats the purpose of what 01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:08.080 the original philosophy and purpose behind it was and that was to improve 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:11.360 a city area within Racine 01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:19.920 and I'm thinking it's a half mile apart from each other 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:24.400 t31 and t34 is a half mile radius of each other 01:59:24.400 --> 01:59:28.400 they use the same roads they use the same utilities 01:59:28.400 --> 01:59:33.360 they use the same parks they use the same community services 01:59:34.320 --> 01:59:35.120 it's not like 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:42.080 it's on the other side of the city it's a half a mile 01:59:43.520 --> 01:59:47.360 someone's making it sound like you draining all of the money out of one 01:59:47.360 --> 01:59:51.040 tier and putting it into another tier that isn't even existed yet 01:59:51.040 --> 01:59:56.640 it ain't even been approved yet it's within a half a mile of each other 01:59:56.640 --> 01:59:58.640 it's the same community 02:00:00.240 --> 02:00:04.720 I'm not even going over the fact that Racine any improvement in racing 02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:12.000 so you can want infrastructures include homes and driveways in front streets and curves 02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:18.560 infrastructure includes money coming in some type of way where people are motivated to stay 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:22.560 longer live longer be longer in Racine put more money in Racine 02:00:24.480 --> 02:00:29.360 and we are trying to build homes in an area that's within a half mile of each other 02:00:29.360 --> 02:00:36.400 so that several other forms of income can go into that same community and we want to 02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:42.960 make it like it's 30 mile a whole nother city whole nother community over 02:00:46.160 --> 02:00:49.840 let's keep this simple our vote yes for this 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:57.680 on the wider for a second time thank you I asked myself why am I so passionate about this 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:01.680 why am I willing to let my blood pressure go up to 180 over 90 02:01:02.480 --> 02:01:08.320 it's a very simple reason this last spring like every year we had a public hearing on 02:01:08.320 --> 02:01:14.400 alley repayment there was a young woman that came and spoke at the public hearing in regards to 02:01:14.400 --> 02:01:20.720 the assessment that she would be charged if she if we would approve up paving her alley 02:01:21.680 --> 02:01:29.120 she also told me that last year in 2025 as a resident of tit 31 she had building code violations 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:35.840 she applied for a tit grant but did not receive a tit grant to address those building code violations 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:43.520 in 2025 so she requested an extension from the neighborhood enhancement division to address 02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:50.320 those building code violations in 2026 she received an extension for the building code violations 02:01:51.440 --> 02:01:58.400 so she contacted me because she got a letter from Ned saying that she would be charged I forgot 02:01:58.400 --> 02:02:02.960 what she told me per day for not complying with the building code violations because 02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:09.440 the extension had passed and she said well I have it marked on my calendar to apply for a 02:02:09.440 --> 02:02:18.960 tit grant to address those this year in 2026 and I said to her looking at the website as the 02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:25.120 application period I said I don't want to be the one have to tell you this but the window for you 02:02:25.120 --> 02:02:31.920 applying for a tit grant for 2026 closed three weeks ago she said no no no that can't be I have 02:02:31.920 --> 02:02:39.120 it marked on my calendar last year I applied in June well I said the application period changes 02:02:39.120 --> 02:02:48.160 every year so this year you you've missed the opportunity to apply for a tit grant I asked her 02:02:48.160 --> 02:02:54.720 her address that address was within the focus area that we now are designated so in the focus 02:02:54.720 --> 02:03:00.000 area within the tit if you have building code violations or you just are a property owner within 02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:05.840 the tit the department of neighborhood enforcement come or enhancement comes around it puts a door 02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:12.880 knocker on your door letting you know that you when the window is for your application so she lived 02:03:12.880 --> 02:03:19.360 in the tit had building code violations had an extension and she received no notice of when 02:03:20.000 --> 02:03:25.760 the application period was for her so this year again she missed the opportunity 02:03:26.640 --> 02:03:33.360 to apply for a tit grant to address those building code violations and she lost her job at Eunphi 02:03:34.400 --> 02:03:41.040 and fortunately for the council we did remove her alley from the special assessment which would 02:03:41.040 --> 02:03:44.880 have cost her another six thousand dollars which she didn't have because she's struggling to pay 02:03:44.880 --> 02:03:50.800 for property taxes so it's going to be encouraging for her to know that some of the money that she 02:03:50.800 --> 02:03:55.920 struggles to pay in her property tax is going to get moved over on bird avenue to either put an 02:03:55.920 --> 02:04:01.760 infrastructure over there that she can't get or it's going to help somebody have a fifty thousand 02:04:01.760 --> 02:04:09.360 dollar down payment assistance even though it's coming from her property tax so that's why I'm so 02:04:09.360 --> 02:04:15.600 passionate about how you will I cannot support this because I look at the people in tit 31 02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:23.200 and know how they struggle and I just don't even though the council approved it I am 02:04:23.200 --> 02:04:35.760 adamantly opposed to it but and that's it other dragons thank you so we all live busy lives I 02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:42.240 get it we can't always attend every committee meeting although any alder is welcome to attend 02:04:42.240 --> 02:04:49.600 any other committee meeting it if you don't sit on it and plenty of alders do just that so we did 02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:56.640 have other alders come to the last finance and personnel committee and there was quite a few 02:04:56.640 --> 02:05:03.440 questions that were asked although I am a bit confused because some of the questions that were 02:05:04.400 --> 02:05:10.640 supposedly left open of we don't I still don't have an answer to it we're asked at the last 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:18.320 committee meeting and given an answer one in particular is is it one down payment per person 02:05:18.320 --> 02:05:23.520 or per lot I remember the answer to this because I was interested in the question and so I can tell 02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:29.360 you Jeff can give a thumbs up if I got it right but it's it's per home it's not per person if there 02:05:29.440 --> 02:05:33.040 was two unified employees they wouldn't get a hundred thousand dollars it would be fifty 02:05:33.040 --> 02:05:40.000 thousand so that was answered the same question of why can't we use this for alleys the the answer 02:05:40.000 --> 02:05:47.520 was given again at committee which is there is a rule of the but for clause and once again I 02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:52.800 think I'm going to be an expert at this by the time that we've I've heard it over and over again and 02:05:52.880 --> 02:06:00.400 I have had to say it now over and over again and the but for clause is we can only use the the 02:06:00.400 --> 02:06:06.880 TID money if it wasn't if it was but for or however it was basically if it was going to happen 02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:12.960 anyways we can't use the TID's TID funding for it and so replacing someone's alley was going to 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:18.800 happen whether or not the TID was there but building a brand new subdivisions infrastructure 02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:25.760 wouldn't have been able to happen if there wasn't TID funding available for it and so that's the 02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:30.160 story on the alleys of why can't we just use this for alleys we've heard it over and over and over 02:06:30.160 --> 02:06:38.000 again was at committee again and then the question of the the use of the IG fund a similar answer 02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:47.760 again of we had a terrible deal that was done through the city to provide sewer and water to the 02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:52.480 outline communities and we signed off our right to be able to grow to be able to expand our tax 02:06:52.480 --> 02:06:58.560 base through new land acquisition and development I think some people still maintain that that was 02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:04.080 a good deal for the city but looking back on it there's a lot of places where we continue to lose 02:07:04.800 --> 02:07:10.560 and one of those is that those payments that we're getting don't go on in perpetuity so if we're 02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:22.880 going to start using it to be put towards one-time expenses that is a I'm sorry I there's I have 02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:28.160 the microphone I'm I believe if you wanted to talk again you can push your button but I'm recognized 02:07:28.160 --> 02:07:32.720 if the chair could make sure that all the jurgents in you have the floor thank you 02:07:33.600 --> 02:07:41.280 um so once again the use of the IG fund is is something that we have to be very careful with 02:07:41.280 --> 02:07:46.880 we don't get that back and the payments don't go past an arbitrary date although I can promise 02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:51.200 you we will still be providing sewer and water to the communities and still will have sold away 02:07:51.200 --> 02:07:58.880 our ability to expand and grow and I get there's gestures of move on however it's really important 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:05.680 because that has has put the city in a terrible position where we are now losing population 02:08:06.240 --> 02:08:11.520 we're focused on trying to build up there was the the method in this I would say is just merely 02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:17.440 building in we're in filling into a vacant lot something that we have to do so before we we snub 02:08:17.440 --> 02:08:23.760 our nose at the idea of providing down payment assistance to some of the hardest working employees 02:08:23.760 --> 02:08:29.520 in the city before we say well let's use this one time thing that we're getting that's going to end 02:08:30.320 --> 02:08:35.680 that we're not going to get again we should use what's before us to make sure that we're able to 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:41.680 grow and expand and this through the process will actually help towards lowering property taxes in 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:47.280 the future because we're able to expand our tax base there's new homes with a comment was made 02:08:47.280 --> 02:08:52.240 tonight that it's an empty lot that we're not getting tax revenue from these would be new homes 02:08:52.240 --> 02:08:58.400 that we would be spreading the tax burden amongst so i'm fully in favor of growing the city 02:08:59.280 --> 02:09:04.320 and giving a hand up to some of the hardest working employees that we have in the area thank you 02:09:06.640 --> 02:09:16.880 thank you alder aun thank you all we've heard some wonderful comments about about this plan 02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:24.800 and i just want to say that i believe that our director of finance gave a very good explanation 02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:33.120 about the two dollars and how those things how those dollars move in and out it is to be noted that 02:09:34.480 --> 02:09:42.720 with those those two dollars and the expectations i'm going to move on to just the sustainability 02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:49.360 and the attractiveness of Racine two people who live here and that we want to maintain 02:09:50.320 --> 02:09:55.600 and retain their residency here as well as attracting others and i don't know 02:09:55.600 --> 02:10:03.680 when you drive through neighboring municipalities they have worked collaboratively as a community 02:10:04.400 --> 02:10:14.480 to refresh those municipalities and then you come into Racine where we are beginning the process of 02:10:14.480 --> 02:10:20.720 making our city one of those municipalities that takes full advantage of the things that we've 02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:28.000 been blessed with and built on those so if you live in a particular area and you've been able to have 02:10:28.080 --> 02:10:34.720 that area designated as two dollars and as alder Harmon mentioned that just a half mile 02:10:35.440 --> 02:10:40.720 distance between these two that we're discussing right now you know anything that we do in our 02:10:40.720 --> 02:10:49.520 community as a whole that gives a shine or a refresh to the city is a win all the way around we are 02:10:49.520 --> 02:10:56.560 we're building together as community and we have to start looking at ourselves that way if we don't 02:10:56.560 --> 02:11:04.080 we're just not going to exist anymore we have got to let go of the the band-aid approach and the 02:11:04.080 --> 02:11:08.720 you know we just want things to stay the way they are we have got to take advantage of the 02:11:09.360 --> 02:11:15.280 of the opportunities that come because of of decisions we've heard that said you know we 02:11:15.280 --> 02:11:20.080 make these decisions when you vote with the cognizant well that's in everything that we do 02:11:20.080 --> 02:11:26.640 and we are in 2026 and we have just celebrated at the 250 we're celebrating 02:11:27.920 --> 02:11:35.360 100 some odd years of Racine we have to look forward to the next 50 to the next 75 years 02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:40.880 of this city and we're talking about affordable housing so when you talk about okay well 02:11:41.440 --> 02:11:47.600 these homes are going to be made available for for this set of people it isn't any different 02:11:47.600 --> 02:11:53.840 than when we look at homes that are available for maybe our aging community or people who are 02:11:53.840 --> 02:12:02.080 on fixed incomes and we make again parts of our community available and accessible to them because 02:12:02.080 --> 02:12:10.720 they matter to us we are working at reducing transit you know where our children and our families 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:16.560 are trying to find places to live and they can be in a district or have access to good 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:24.800 education and to make those things available for them so our vote covers so many facets of 02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:33.440 impact for our community that we can't just sit back and be one-dimensional in this thought 02:12:33.440 --> 02:12:39.840 process this is a multifaceted impact for our community and so we of course are going to support it 02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:52.400 I'll do land for a second time yes I either director Fischer direct lines I asked this question 02:12:52.400 --> 02:12:59.440 at the committee level but I just want to clarify for those that weren't there and didn't hear it 02:12:59.440 --> 02:13:06.640 I asked if there was enough funds left after this and 1031 to still give out the ten thousand 02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:17.520 grants and you said yes there was so what again I if one of you could come to the mic and 02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:21.360 audibly confirm that I think that'd be helpful correct there are when the accounts are set 02:13:21.360 --> 02:13:24.400 up at the beginning of the year they're set up between infrastructure and then the whole 02:13:24.400 --> 02:13:27.760 water program so there'd never be any risk to the whole water program being funded 02:13:28.400 --> 02:13:37.840 other winder you spoke in twice other Alan thank you and I wanted to make another 02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:45.760 statement I meet with the director of finance and our assistant director of development quite 02:13:45.760 --> 02:13:53.680 often and when it comes to messaging that is also something that takes apparently a lot of us to 02:13:53.760 --> 02:14:02.320 participate in so if our we have we have districts that we can communicate and message within and 02:14:02.320 --> 02:14:07.920 if I think it would just help I know I practice it I find out when things are happening on the 02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:14.400 calendar and I make those that information available to my district so that hopefully they take a 02:14:14.400 --> 02:14:18.960 vantage of city opportunities such as neighborhood improvement 02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:27.520 other winder you had a question question for the finance director in regards to 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:35.760 1031 can you tell the council what the balances currently are in 1031 that contributes toward 02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:43.600 the admin cost and what is currently in the infrastructure portion of their budget 02:14:45.200 --> 02:14:52.240 I don't have the infrastructure portion right in front of me but what is available in 1031 as 02:14:52.240 --> 02:14:59.360 of right now is three point one million dollars as of one one of 27 there will be an additional 02:15:01.120 --> 02:15:06.560 three million dollars that will come into that fund as of one one of 27 there is plenty of funds 02:15:06.640 --> 02:15:13.920 available for this project as well as the grant okay thank you other remark for a second time 02:15:18.720 --> 02:15:23.200 so this is for the the finance director I'm sorry 02:15:26.320 --> 02:15:31.360 so I know we created a couple of tidd districts recently 02:15:32.000 --> 02:15:37.840 um has there ever been a time where we could expand a tidd so then we can cover this area so 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:48.640 then we can recoup whatever we spend towards it or is it just that's all it is in this particular 02:15:48.640 --> 02:15:52.800 instance I would not recommend expanding the boundaries of the tidd it gets really really 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:59.120 complicated to get into why that is but it it depends on the equalized value of the expanded 02:15:59.200 --> 02:16:05.920 area um tidd number 31 was just amended and just approved by the common council had we thought 02:16:06.480 --> 02:16:11.040 it a good idea at that time to expand the boundaries of the tidd we would have proposed it as such 02:16:17.040 --> 02:16:23.040 I have no one left in the queue when the clerk calls your name please vote as you wish 02:16:23.040 --> 02:16:42.000 alder land alder remark alder herman alder pavone alder Frazier aye alder wyce alder 02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:53.120 jorgensen alder wydener alder horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat 02:16:58.160 --> 02:17:05.280 eleven ayes one no motion carries alder land did you have other items for separate consideration 02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:09.920 no I do not then without objection these items will be placed on the consent agenda 02:17:09.920 --> 02:17:14.080 will then move on to public works and services alder herman did you have any items for separate 02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:19.760 consideration then without objection we will place this report on the consent agenda 02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:24.240 will then move on to public safety and licensing alder peat did you have items for separate 02:17:24.240 --> 02:17:32.880 consideration yes I do sir I have to please read the first item first items item numbers 065 26 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:40.640 recommendation of the public safety and license committee on July 29th 2026 that the communication 02:17:40.640 --> 02:17:48.400 sponsored by alder peat requesting the appearance of kevin dooback doobake agent for doobies located 02:17:48.400 --> 02:17:57.600 at 3701 grand avenue sweet 345 pursuant to a formal expression of concern and also requesting 02:17:57.600 --> 02:18:03.040 consideration of rescinding the formalings expression of concern be received in file 02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:10.480 there's better motion in a second to receive and file this item would that be separate 02:18:12.080 --> 02:18:15.120 is the vote then just to receive and files that would be take the roll call in 02:18:16.720 --> 02:18:24.240 okay alder peat did you want to speak to the motion uh yes uh the committee decided within 02:18:24.240 --> 02:18:31.920 the scoping guidelines of the ordinances and the issues that to receive and file was the best 02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:40.080 course of action otherwise thank you have a couple questions the first one is for the city attorney 02:18:40.080 --> 02:18:46.960 and can he explain to the council what a receiving file means in this instance the city attorney 02:18:46.960 --> 02:19:00.960 well the option excuse me the action that was um anticipated or potentially could have occurred 02:19:01.680 --> 02:19:11.120 at the committee was um the issuance of a formal expression of concern which can be on the path 02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:18.960 to taking action against the license i receive and file in this case generally receiving file 02:19:18.960 --> 02:19:22.480 essentially the same thank you very much for this information we're not going to do anything with 02:19:22.480 --> 02:19:28.880 it in this case it means the formal expression of concern was not issued till it doesn't go 02:19:28.880 --> 02:19:36.160 on the record of this establishment alder writing is that correct uh mr chairman 02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:42.880 so typically a receiving file means that a formal expression of concern is moving forward so it 02:19:42.880 --> 02:19:51.440 would be a strike against the premise holder okay so um alder whiner if it's okay that the city 02:19:51.440 --> 02:19:55.840 clerk thinks she can offer some clarity to your question i'll call on her to try to clarify thank 02:19:55.840 --> 02:20:02.160 you hi thank you so i hope i explain this okay so when the initial item goes through from the 02:20:02.240 --> 02:20:07.680 formal expression of concern to public safety and licensing at that meeting you were technically 02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:12.960 issuing the formal expression of concern so that leaves you another chance when they're formally 02:20:12.960 --> 02:20:19.040 called in to rescind that formal expression of concern by receiving and filing this you are 02:20:19.040 --> 02:20:25.520 essentially saying that yes we did issue the formal expression so it exists essentially 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:32.560 against the establishment thank you so i have a couple of questions and that is do we know how 02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:39.120 many formal expressions of concerns that this premise holder has had in the last six months in a year 02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:44.480 just the other one are you directing your question to the clerk or uh chairman peat 02:20:44.480 --> 02:20:47.440 or two of them are you directing your question whoever could answer the question 02:20:48.400 --> 02:20:57.680 other people i believe that this is their first in six months so uh as we would if they wouldn't 02:20:59.040 --> 02:21:09.440 have any go move forward with litigation okay so my final question is is this formal expression 02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:17.200 of concern um because of incidents that took place within the bar or in the parking lot because 02:21:17.200 --> 02:21:23.280 i know the parking lot has been an issue for a long long time and i'm wondering if it's 02:21:23.280 --> 02:21:28.080 something that took place in the bar that spilled out into the parking lot or if it was just a parking 02:21:28.080 --> 02:21:36.960 lot well over the past as you know uh year plus it's been a combination of both in general 02:21:36.960 --> 02:21:45.360 the primary one is still outside but there is activity on the inside as well and that was 02:21:45.360 --> 02:21:50.320 brought up in committee i'm sorry that was brought up in committee the activity inside 02:21:51.200 --> 02:21:59.600 uh yes well from the premises report and whatever okay thank you i've known the question thank you 02:22:00.800 --> 02:22:04.880 oh okay um alder harman and then we'll go to alder Frazier next 02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:13.760 all right thank you um this is directed to the chair of the committee so i i've heard about 02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:18.720 doobies for a while i've heard about how their staff can behave 02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:29.280 rudely disrespectfully discriminatory i've seen videos in which management or bartenders or staff 02:22:29.280 --> 02:22:37.120 or something have said that they serve certain types of drinks to eliminate certain type of clientele 02:22:37.760 --> 02:22:48.800 i i've this i mean i don't know do you only count when they've come before the committee in the last 02:22:48.800 --> 02:22:55.360 six months because when the questions was asked the last six months last year so how many times 02:22:55.360 --> 02:23:02.240 the answer was they come because of outside sometimes inside sometimes how many times within 02:23:02.240 --> 02:23:12.480 the last few years we both outside inside around the side in the mind side have they had complaints 02:23:12.480 --> 02:23:18.320 or have had to come before the committee within the last five years about some type of reckless 02:23:18.320 --> 02:23:26.480 comment or behavior with regards to this establishment and do you know that i can answer you the question 02:23:26.480 --> 02:23:33.440 the way you ask it but i can give you the answer that you're looking for uh we have a it's called 02:23:33.440 --> 02:23:39.840 premises report provided by the police department at every meeting and we go through a process 02:23:40.400 --> 02:23:48.800 of finding out if who we feel is a it has a problem with public safety i'll end to that way 02:23:48.800 --> 02:23:55.440 so some bar some establishments might show up three or four times have major issues 02:23:55.440 --> 02:24:01.920 and then the committee would deem it necessary to call them in and see how we can work with them 02:24:01.920 --> 02:24:08.480 and the some of the remedies that we use would be with the police department and the city attorney's 02:24:08.480 --> 02:24:15.040 office but they're complete processes to answer your questions specifically about the frequency 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:22.320 um there has been a lot of activity which is why as we put it to keep it simple they were issued 02:24:22.320 --> 02:24:28.720 a ticket they've also over the past worked in some programs that we had the city has to work 02:24:28.720 --> 02:24:36.000 with businesses solve these types of problems all right thank you sure 02:24:36.560 --> 02:24:43.520 i'll do the phone um mr. Mayor i think all their pressure was first 02:24:44.800 --> 02:24:48.960 a bigger pardon i think all their pressure was was what he before oh he was i am so sorry thank 02:24:48.960 --> 02:24:52.720 you for reminding me all the people on all their freezer is here virtually and has his hand 02:24:52.720 --> 02:25:00.960 virtually raised all the freezer you have the floor uh yeah so i think that this speaks to um i wasn't 02:25:01.040 --> 02:25:08.640 at the meeting um but i am aware of of the concern the concerns and what's been happening um i think 02:25:08.640 --> 02:25:15.840 this the the committee choosing to receive and file speaks to a broader issue of fairness but 02:25:15.840 --> 02:25:21.440 then it also speaks to one of the the continuous conversations we've been having about loitering 02:25:22.240 --> 02:25:29.600 to all the writers are about especially outside we've had many many conversations 02:25:30.560 --> 02:25:35.120 with this establishment and the license holder about how they 02:25:37.360 --> 02:25:43.040 i hate to use this term police but how they monitor the activity in their bar 02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:48.960 and how they monitor the activity outside of their bar and you know the one thing that i get 02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:57.200 dinged up a lot uh dinged up with a lot is fairness um they are certain bar owners 02:25:57.200 --> 02:26:01.280 who feel as though they're targeted there are other bar owners who feel as though we're not 02:26:01.280 --> 02:26:06.480 consistent the last concert meeting um that was one of the things that came up is that you know 02:26:07.440 --> 02:26:14.720 our committee seems to be inconsistent in how we handle punishment um since this is the first 02:26:15.280 --> 02:26:23.520 um knock against uh doobies um i think receiving and filing is an appropriate step uh and if it 02:26:23.520 --> 02:26:31.440 continues uh we would just refer them to the city attorney's office to come up with um a solution 02:26:32.080 --> 02:26:40.560 that can that can better improve uh um this bar's ability to to to stay in business uh so i really 02:26:41.440 --> 02:26:51.280 in the in the essence of fairness and consistency i think that we should uphold this committee's 02:26:51.280 --> 02:26:55.520 recommendation um and receive and file uh this item 02:26:57.360 --> 02:27:03.680 and maybe if we could just given all their harmons question if we could ask the chair just to 02:27:03.680 --> 02:27:09.040 explain since this is not the first time they've been uh before the committee what was presented 02:27:09.040 --> 02:27:14.000 to them that made them decide uh to simply receive and file of it rather than rather than 02:27:14.000 --> 02:27:17.600 taking some other action i think that's what maybe seems incongruous 02:27:20.320 --> 02:27:27.520 ought to be uh yes uh going back with all our appraiser of the appointment pointed out uh they 02:27:28.240 --> 02:27:34.320 we've been working with the establishment over the years and they have been through processes before 02:27:34.400 --> 02:27:40.800 working with the city attorney's office with programs that they have and uh it's to continue 02:27:40.800 --> 02:27:47.840 with as all the wider pointed out they've had a lot of problems outside it's a huge parking lot 02:27:47.840 --> 02:27:53.200 and uh we've been trying to work with them but the consistency and the frequency 02:27:54.080 --> 02:27:57.520 all the harm is why we took the action that we did this time 02:27:57.760 --> 02:28:07.920 but the goal is to as all the phrases said be fair and consistent but work with the issue to help 02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:15.440 make the community over there safer or keep reduce the problems in the area all the problem 02:28:16.640 --> 02:28:22.080 thank you mr mare so i i served my first committee was public safety and licensing i served a 02:28:22.080 --> 02:28:27.440 whole year on there i'm very familiar with doobies very familiar with the issues both inside and 02:28:27.520 --> 02:28:32.800 outside of the establishment and i would like to applaud the committee um for being consistent 02:28:32.800 --> 02:28:38.640 and receiving and filing and i think that is the best choice but i do also think to aldermen 02:28:38.640 --> 02:28:43.680 widner and all their frasier's point that um it is a broader conversation that needs to be had 02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:47.760 about loitering and how to enforce that and how to change that and i think i have seen things 02:28:47.760 --> 02:28:52.800 throughout the counseling committees that it that is addressing that so in this particular case 02:28:52.800 --> 02:28:56.720 we the resources have been made available and this is a situation where i think 02:28:57.440 --> 02:29:05.680 this is appropriate thank you alder aldermen hi this is thank you this is a question just about 02:29:06.400 --> 02:29:13.200 consistency so is there a set number of times that an establishment has to appear on the 02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:20.080 premises report before they are called in for question to whom are you addressing your question 02:29:20.080 --> 02:29:24.720 aldermen uh and might might we address it to the city court yes please okay 02:29:27.920 --> 02:29:33.440 sure thanks for the question so the license premise report contains a bunch of different 02:29:33.440 --> 02:29:39.120 police reports and any time they're either called out to establishment or it could just be a license 02:29:39.120 --> 02:29:44.960 check or it could be that someone at the establishment called the police so there's not a set amount 02:29:44.960 --> 02:29:49.600 of time it's up to the discretion of the board but that's because it might have been the right thing 02:29:49.600 --> 02:29:55.120 to call a police officer maybe someone was heard outside and walked in you wouldn't want to count 02:29:55.120 --> 02:30:01.520 that against the establishment so oftentimes it's up to the discretion of the board of whether or not 02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:06.640 you know a lot of these calls could have been prevented or if they need security measures 02:30:06.640 --> 02:30:12.160 or kind of cases like that but there's not like a set amount of time someone needs to be 02:30:12.160 --> 02:30:18.000 mentioned in a license premise report there could also be something that's so drastic and a bar was 02:30:18.000 --> 02:30:23.200 never mentioned on one that the committee would still like to call them in so i hope that answers 02:30:23.200 --> 02:30:32.960 the question aldermen you showed before thank you so we had uh some owners come before the council 02:30:33.920 --> 02:30:38.720 a few weeks ago make a statement about consistency and they're being uh 02:30:40.720 --> 02:30:47.280 concerned that there weren't a set of guidelines that they could follow and the other part was that 02:30:47.280 --> 02:30:56.880 the committee can change every year so there isn't a set rubric for anyone to follow so it was 02:30:56.880 --> 02:31:03.840 mentioned that perhaps we could work towards having a rubric that could be followed because then we 02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:13.440 would have a defined way to look at these incidents instances that even the bar owners could review 02:31:13.440 --> 02:31:20.960 and any incoming committee member would be able to use as a tool in order to go for it and the 02:31:20.960 --> 02:31:28.560 arbitrary and subjectiveness element would be removed largely from the process i don't think 02:31:28.560 --> 02:31:37.600 that this is a scientific method it's left up to yes anyone's uh emotional attachment maybe 02:31:38.240 --> 02:31:45.120 other people i just wanted to comment on the outside issue we are working with the attorney's 02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:52.400 office and one of the representatives came to our mid-last meeting to go over the city's laws on 02:31:52.400 --> 02:31:58.400 watering and so we'll be looking at that and we may have something that we'll be presenting to the 02:31:58.400 --> 02:32:06.640 council other writer thank you i think this needs to be on the record um the public safety and 02:32:06.640 --> 02:32:12.480 licensing committee at each meeting gets the license premise report from the items that are 02:32:12.480 --> 02:32:18.240 on the license premise report they will see some things that give them concern so if they're 02:32:18.240 --> 02:32:24.160 concerned about something they would call the premise owner in to discuss what those concerns 02:32:24.160 --> 02:32:29.680 are they can receive in file or they can rescind in this case according to the letter that was 02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:37.040 received by the premise owner on july 7th mr dubiac was called in for two incidents the first one 02:32:37.040 --> 02:32:45.280 was on june 14th 2026 and that was for officers provided extra attention to the parking lot 02:32:45.280 --> 02:32:53.760 officers dispersed a crowd upon their arrival no violations observed that on 620 off-duty 02:32:53.760 --> 02:33:00.560 officer requested assistance to disperse the crowd crowd was dispersed with no violations 02:33:00.560 --> 02:33:08.400 observed the second incident does not say anything about the parking lot so the issues at doobies 02:33:08.400 --> 02:33:16.560 have remained in my view uh to be the parking lot and we're seen as not the only community that has 02:33:16.560 --> 02:33:22.640 problems with large groups gathering in any place they can find the area which to gather 02:33:23.760 --> 02:33:29.360 unless it's something that is in the control of the premise owner i don't know how we can hold 02:33:29.360 --> 02:33:35.680 them accountable for what takes place by people that are not affiliated or customers of his bar 02:33:35.680 --> 02:33:41.840 things that are happening in the parking lot especially such a large parking lot like what's 02:33:41.840 --> 02:33:50.640 out at the plaza so all right the motion before us then is to receive and file this item if you're 02:33:50.640 --> 02:33:54.720 in favor of receiving and filing please vote aye if you are opposed to it vote no 02:33:57.680 --> 02:34:10.560 alder land alder demark alder harman alder pabone alder frazier aye alder wyce alder jorgensen 02:34:11.520 --> 02:34:18.960 alder wydener alder horton alder hages alder allen alder peat 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:27.360 11 ayes 1 no just a comment after the vote and there's questions of consistency i can tell you 02:34:27.360 --> 02:34:32.160 in almost nine years of doing this this city has never taken away a license from anybody we're 02:34:32.160 --> 02:34:38.240 pretty consistent about not doing any sort of enforcement in that regard and this is one of 02:34:38.240 --> 02:34:43.120 the number one complaints that we get consistently through our community and there's no perfect 02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:48.720 rework anybody can come up with to anticipate the frailties of human existence and interactions 02:34:48.720 --> 02:34:52.960 around alcohol and people around bar time so i just hope we will continue to take these issues 02:34:52.960 --> 02:34:58.160 seriously public safety and licensing should do its due diligence but this is an ongoing challenge 02:34:58.160 --> 02:35:02.720 that we continue to hear about here in the city alder peat did you have another item for 02:35:02.720 --> 02:35:10.320 separate consideration but yes i do item zero six six zero twenty six communications sponsored 02:35:10.400 --> 02:35:17.200 by myself submitting a new application for a class b retail fermented malt beverage and 02:35:17.200 --> 02:35:26.400 intoxicating liquor license for the pedestrian dba danny's grocery and lounge which would be 02:35:26.400 --> 02:35:33.520 located in nineteen fifty taylor avenue that's a hotel agent eleventh district recommending 02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:39.920 recommendation of the public safety and license committee on july 29th that the communication 02:35:39.920 --> 02:35:45.360 sponsored by alder peat submitting a new application for a class b retail fermented malt beverage 02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:53.760 and intoxicating liquor license but i'm sorry diversity ink dba danny's grocery and lounge 02:35:53.760 --> 02:36:01.120 located at nineteen fifty taylor avenue dixie patel agent be denied i've moved to approve 02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:08.080 that allows to motion to to approve the committee recommendation to deny the license so it's a bit 02:36:08.080 --> 02:36:13.280 confusing but the motion is to approve the committee recommendation to deny the license 02:36:13.280 --> 02:36:14.160 is there a second 02:36:18.240 --> 02:36:20.400 is there a second on the committee recommendation second 02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:23.280 this second 02:36:24.720 --> 02:36:27.200 on the circuit oh alder freischer did okay thank you 02:36:28.000 --> 02:36:30.240 alder peat would you like to speak to the motion 02:36:30.960 --> 02:36:37.840 yes i would start off by saying the committee did look at it thoroughly and followed the 02:36:37.840 --> 02:36:46.000 guidelines of based on the zone important over there and the feeling was unanimously unanimous 02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:54.560 that the grocery store part and the jelly would be a great fit for the area but we were also 02:36:54.640 --> 02:37:00.560 concerned about some of the public safety issues some of and the fact that i am for 02:37:00.560 --> 02:37:06.720 competition happen of study economics extensively myself but and so i believe in 02:37:06.720 --> 02:37:14.000 competition however we were concerned about saturation of alcohol consumption of beverages 02:37:14.000 --> 02:37:19.440 between actually washing the avenue in 21st street there's another uh... 02:37:19.440 --> 02:37:25.440 establishment of less than a thousand feet from there i think it's a different type of 02:37:25.440 --> 02:37:32.000 license but and i'll ask the attorney's office to speak to that but uh it's just a 02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:39.280 extensive amount of alcohol consumption places book carry in as well as inside consumption 02:37:39.280 --> 02:37:41.200 that was the initial premises 02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:44.480 of the land 02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:52.240 yes i'm going to speak against the committee's recommendation on this 02:37:53.040 --> 02:38:00.800 um i like the idea of a grocery store and a deli going in there i remember i'm old enough to 02:38:00.800 --> 02:38:07.440 remember when there was a pigly wiggly store there and i've known danny for many years christianos 02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:13.520 is not my district but it's on my way home i stopped there maybe a couple times a month 02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:18.400 i've never seen a problem with this business i've never seen anyone loitering there 02:38:19.040 --> 02:38:28.720 and i think that um he's not asking for a license to carry out package liquor he's just going to 02:38:28.720 --> 02:38:35.440 have a small area where people can have looked like it's going to be he's going to employ 02:38:35.440 --> 02:38:41.920 ten people i think full-time and ten part-time and i i just hate to see another building sitting 02:38:41.920 --> 02:38:46.640 there vacant and i do support this project 02:38:49.920 --> 02:38:50.560 alder hermit 02:38:53.920 --> 02:38:54.880 thank you mayor 02:38:57.120 --> 02:39:03.840 who's district whose district is it's alder land okay i just i just wanted to know 02:39:03.840 --> 02:39:13.680 all right so the um forgive me i really don't remember if we have public comments on this 02:39:13.680 --> 02:39:19.600 issue do we have public comments on this issue what did the residents say was there a more 02:39:19.600 --> 02:39:26.160 were there more a majority of the residents they came out that spoke against this i i just need 02:39:26.160 --> 02:39:33.680 a refresher it alder land if you have that answer or any of the other alders when there was public 02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:40.320 comments on this issue how many came out for organs my recollection is it was about split 02:39:40.320 --> 02:39:44.880 it was split completely all right i don't know i wouldn't say exactly but there were people who 02:39:44.880 --> 02:39:50.080 came to speak in favor of it there can't speak against it let's let's say that it was split 02:39:50.080 --> 02:39:56.400 there's just as many people who are for it there are just as many people who are against it 02:39:56.400 --> 02:40:03.280 then i'm going to go strictly to what our ordinance says out of fairness our ordinance says that 02:40:03.280 --> 02:40:13.680 there is a cluster that is already on paper that if there are too many facilities of the same 02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:23.920 nature within a specific area that we should not allow same type business when it's associated 02:40:23.920 --> 02:40:32.240 with alcohol or cigarettes or or things like that i want us to stick to what's at what's on here 02:40:32.240 --> 02:40:36.720 and if the committee is doing their job i want us to support the committee doing their job 02:40:36.720 --> 02:40:41.120 because each and every last one of us know how hard it is to be on a committee when you're trying 02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:46.880 to be fair and consistent and so that people can look at each alder is you know one day they this 02:40:46.880 --> 02:40:52.960 and one day they that they actually followed what we as the people who voted for them said that they 02:40:52.960 --> 02:41:00.160 that they will do and let's do it so i support the committee and what they are saying because 02:41:00.160 --> 02:41:05.360 i understand that they're doing their job to the best of their ability and why they were voted 02:41:05.920 --> 02:41:11.360 thank you alderland it sounds like you weren't on commenting i'm so sorry i've moved on to another 02:41:11.360 --> 02:41:18.160 speaker you have the floor well when you said that there were people against and for it was you 02:41:18.160 --> 02:41:24.480 took in at the committee level because tonight i didn't hear anyone speak against it at the committee 02:41:24.480 --> 02:41:30.320 level there were those who spoke in favor and those who spoke against it yes and um i think the 02:41:30.320 --> 02:41:40.880 ones that were against it were competitors um i get the robocalls you know and i had about three 02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:45.920 three or four one of them owned a liquor store who was against it that's a competitor 02:41:46.960 --> 02:41:53.040 another one didn't tell me if they were a competitor or not i called him back and he never called me 02:41:53.040 --> 02:42:00.080 back another one didn't state their purpose another one email me and asked me some questions 02:42:00.080 --> 02:42:07.520 and then never got picked me about that too but tonight you know there was a lot of people that 02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:14.800 came to speak for it and i don't know all the harm and we had this petition in our mailbox 02:42:14.800 --> 02:42:19.760 of all these people that signed in support of it i don't know if you got it out of your mailbox 02:42:20.720 --> 02:42:27.520 yeah but um i didn't really have a lot of objections from people in the 11th district 02:42:28.320 --> 02:42:34.880 that live there but from business owners thank you i'll be drinking some 02:42:37.360 --> 02:42:44.080 yeah i tend to um i tend to go with what the the altar that represents the district 02:42:44.160 --> 02:42:50.880 want to say there's 15 of us for a reason and so all their land is in support of it in reading 02:42:50.880 --> 02:42:55.680 the materials it did say that there were some staff concerns that they maybe didn't have all 02:42:55.680 --> 02:43:01.840 the occupancy permits yet and there were other things to get um so you know i i don't want to 02:43:01.840 --> 02:43:08.320 make a motion for the the altar of the district but i throwing it out there of maybe potentially 02:43:08.320 --> 02:43:12.560 deferring this until any of the outstanding permits are received and then it can come back 02:43:13.360 --> 02:43:17.200 and that would alleviate a lot of those concerns that were detailed in the report 02:43:18.720 --> 02:43:22.880 i think would be one of the paths forward and i'm seeing some hands on this so i i would move 02:43:22.880 --> 02:43:28.480 to defer until all of the outstanding permits are are received for this to item to come back 02:43:34.640 --> 02:43:41.360 there's a motion and a second to defer this item um back to committee or defer it and defer it 02:43:41.360 --> 02:43:46.400 back to this defer it but so re are we deferring it or are we referring it back to committee 02:43:46.400 --> 02:43:50.560 deferring okay we would defer this item until the relevant permits are obtained 02:43:51.520 --> 02:43:57.120 and it was seconded by alder harman yes um so what we have before us is a motion 02:43:57.680 --> 02:44:03.680 to defer i will just say there were a number of people in the queue to speak on the main motion 02:44:03.680 --> 02:44:08.560 we now have a different motion in front of us i will still take them um in the order that they 02:44:08.560 --> 02:44:12.960 were received however if you didn't want to speak on the referral motion but wanted to speak 02:44:12.960 --> 02:44:17.440 on the main motion feel free to unfresher button and we'll take it in the order received 02:44:17.440 --> 02:44:23.440 other jorgensen did you want to speak any further on your motion i would yes so i think what this 02:44:23.440 --> 02:44:29.680 gets us is the ability to um allow any of the outstanding permits to be received it allows 02:44:29.680 --> 02:44:34.000 them to move forward with the grocery store portion of it where they can continue to pursue that 02:44:34.480 --> 02:44:39.920 and as those items fall in line it's not denying this so there's not the one-year waiting period 02:44:40.480 --> 02:44:44.160 as this goes forward as a grocery store it's able to come back when it's got the permits 02:44:45.120 --> 02:44:50.560 and so i i see it really as an ability for the business order to continue his quest of of 02:44:50.560 --> 02:44:55.920 having and operating a grocery store while allowing us to still weigh the concerns that 02:44:55.920 --> 02:44:58.960 we're given in the report but make sure that we're we're doing so fairly 02:44:59.120 --> 02:45:07.040 um alder provost thank you sir i want to direct a question to the city attorney 02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:15.360 if possible once he's done talking to you i'm sorry i wanted to direct my question to 02:45:15.360 --> 02:45:21.200 attorney letting please take your question thank you um so i'm just curious as the the granting of 02:45:21.200 --> 02:45:25.840 this particular license is that is this one of those things that this goes without saying that 02:45:25.840 --> 02:45:30.960 we also expect them to have the necessary permits in place before they're able to actually use the 02:45:30.960 --> 02:45:38.720 liquor license so we give them the license but they can't just be standing outside where the 02:45:38.720 --> 02:45:44.080 store would be selling beer alcohol right or how to can you explain it right and i understand 02:45:44.080 --> 02:45:50.960 there hasn't been health department approval yet to maybe some other things um but that is correct 02:45:50.960 --> 02:45:57.200 any any other required um licenses or permits would have to be obtained before they can actually 02:45:57.760 --> 02:46:03.760 engage in business okay i so i will speak against the motion to defer considering that they wouldn't 02:46:03.760 --> 02:46:08.400 be able to utilize the license until those other conditions were met anyway thank you 02:46:09.040 --> 02:46:20.800 all right thank you the grocery store portion of this really appeals to me because we do have 02:46:21.440 --> 02:46:31.200 so many areas in our city that are in a food desert so if this is the intent of this would be an actual 02:46:32.000 --> 02:46:38.240 mini grocery store i i don't know if there are any plans that exist to show us you know what they 02:46:38.240 --> 02:46:44.160 would be selling that it would be actually leaning towards that and not you know just a a convenience 02:46:44.160 --> 02:46:50.400 store with some groceries in it i would love to see that and then of course the ability for someone 02:46:50.400 --> 02:46:56.320 to come in maybe to sip and shop or something we would see that later on down the line but the 02:46:56.400 --> 02:47:01.840 grocery store i would really like to see that to go forward and get all of those permits 02:47:01.840 --> 02:47:07.360 together for that portion and then have us come back and address the other portion of this that 02:47:07.360 --> 02:47:14.960 way the community is fully served under wider thank you i just want to clarify what the city 02:47:14.960 --> 02:47:20.880 clerk in regards to the liquor license or any license they have to comply with all the 02:47:21.520 --> 02:47:28.960 requirements before they get any license and can operate correct city clerk yes so the clerk's 02:47:28.960 --> 02:47:35.440 office does not actually hand the permit over until every department sign office good so even if it 02:47:35.440 --> 02:47:42.400 is approved at council we will still hold it until every other department has been signed on so i 02:47:42.400 --> 02:47:47.760 also have a question for the city attorney there's a little history i believe with this application 02:47:47.760 --> 02:47:54.240 this applicant i think this was he had a plan a and now this is plan b can you kind of apprise 02:47:54.240 --> 02:48:00.880 the council before i speak to the deferment regarding the history as to his application 02:48:02.880 --> 02:48:12.160 well i'm aware that the business owner sought a zoning change as part of the process this area is 02:48:12.160 --> 02:48:21.760 zoned b1 which would not permit off premises sale of packaged goods also would not permit 02:48:21.760 --> 02:48:28.800 the sale of any tobacco products in b1 or in b2 excuse me in b1 i'm sorry so there was a request 02:48:28.800 --> 02:48:39.120 for change to b2 that was denied by planning a heritage design commission so it's a b1 district 02:48:39.120 --> 02:48:44.560 if the license is granted then he wouldn't be able to sell off premises or tobacco again to be clear 02:48:45.840 --> 02:48:54.320 and the class b request here is of course so he can essentially operate a restaurant 02:48:56.800 --> 02:49:06.160 thank you so i want to first speak on speak against deferring the item in hope that the next 02:49:06.160 --> 02:49:11.520 motion would be to uphold the request of the ultimate of the district to grant this license 02:49:11.520 --> 02:49:17.680 and i want to explain why um you're all familiar with the indian motorcycle shop um previous to be 02:49:17.680 --> 02:49:27.360 in the indian motorcycle shop it was the historic district market and in a situation very similar 02:49:27.360 --> 02:49:34.320 to danny um an individual came and invested a lot a lot of money a lot of blood sweat and tears 02:49:34.320 --> 02:49:42.320 into renovating a building bringing in a grocery store a deli a butchers a farmer's market 02:49:43.440 --> 02:49:48.640 state your point of order all their phone thank you stichare um we are speaking supposed to be 02:49:48.640 --> 02:49:52.560 speaking on whether or not to defer this into the proper permits i made i can appreciate the 02:49:52.560 --> 02:49:57.040 comments but i think that might be more appropriate for the original motion at hand and not this 02:49:57.040 --> 02:50:01.680 your point is well taken the motion before us is to defer the item on the wider if you wanted to 02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:06.720 say those comments tell me the main motion that would be appropriate then i believe that i want 02:50:06.720 --> 02:50:12.720 to appeal the ruling of the chair i believe that my comments are perfectly related to the deferment 02:50:12.720 --> 02:50:19.600 because it for an individual to move forward making a huge financial investment in a building 02:50:19.600 --> 02:50:24.560 they really need to know or they stand in this community as far as being able to move forward 02:50:24.960 --> 02:50:33.040 with their investment so my comments were related to what it takes for an individual 02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:38.080 to make an investment in something like this so why i'm speaking against the so all the 02:50:38.080 --> 02:50:42.960 whiteners appeal the ruling of the chair that i concurred with all the pebones point of order 02:50:42.960 --> 02:50:47.760 that the comments of all the whitener were not to remain to the motion before us which is the 02:50:48.320 --> 02:50:55.600 which is the emotion to defer this item um when the clerk calls your name please vote 02:50:55.600 --> 02:51:06.400 as you wish on deferral all their land all their demark all their harmin all their pevone 02:51:09.120 --> 02:51:10.000 all their freezer 02:51:10.800 --> 02:51:22.960 is perhaps to clarify the what what a yes vote in a no vote means a yes vote would uphold the ruling 02:51:22.960 --> 02:51:30.000 of the chair a no vote would overrule the ruling of the chair is that correct correct wait what 02:51:31.200 --> 02:51:36.240 no well we'll just to be clear sorry let me back up what we are voting right now is 02:51:36.800 --> 02:51:42.160 all the whiner challenged the ruling of the chair i withdraw my objection okay 02:51:43.600 --> 02:51:46.720 all the whiner if you could please keep your comments remain to the motion before us please 02:51:48.240 --> 02:51:54.240 i have no further comments on the defer deferment okay anyone else would like to comment on the 02:51:54.240 --> 02:51:59.360 motion to defer um please put your name in the queue all their accordion 02:52:00.080 --> 02:52:06.640 I was going to speak on something really but that's uh I do support it uh not not being 02:52:06.640 --> 02:52:13.360 deferred uh I've said this before about uh business owners coming and investing money and now here's 02:52:13.360 --> 02:52:19.120 a business here's a business owner uh of course when we look at all the the premises report and 02:52:19.120 --> 02:52:23.760 all the things that might go against the bar there is not because the business hasn't opened yet 02:52:23.760 --> 02:52:28.320 and so we have to wait on the license and so you know are we open for business are we partially 02:52:28.320 --> 02:52:34.880 open for business or what are we doing here so here's here here's I'm supporting the order of the 02:52:34.880 --> 02:52:40.720 district uh order land and her distance her district uh she knows the owners uh the other 02:52:40.720 --> 02:52:46.400 thing is that place has been sitting there for a long long long time with nothing happening there 02:52:46.400 --> 02:52:53.280 and so uh the the business owner christianos even though unfortunately I have not I pass by a lot 02:52:53.280 --> 02:52:57.520 of times when I work that mixture and I have never been in there before but I've never seen 02:52:57.520 --> 02:53:03.040 people hanging out either I've been on PSL I was on PSL for three years never seen the names come 02:53:03.040 --> 02:53:10.320 across for any type of violation or anything so I would be in favor of uh not deferring this and 02:53:10.320 --> 02:53:17.040 taking action tonight. By way of information the question was posed what um what planning 02:53:17.040 --> 02:53:22.720 heritage design did on this issue for the rezoning um and just want to clarify for people we don't 02:53:22.720 --> 02:53:26.320 zone by exception on the planning heritage commission in other words we wouldn't change 02:53:26.320 --> 02:53:30.880 a zoning ordinance just for one property otherwise well you have a zoning ordinance but there were 02:53:30.880 --> 02:53:35.200 concerns about whether or not such a thing would be injurious to the neighborhood it is just a 02:53:35.200 --> 02:53:39.440 little more than a block away from the new mental health facility that's being built by the county 02:53:39.440 --> 02:53:44.480 which is meant to address aota related issues it is an area that has a high degree of density of 02:53:44.480 --> 02:53:49.360 liquor license is already and is very close to halo so for those reasons it was considered 02:53:49.360 --> 02:53:53.680 something that would be injurious to the neighborhood to be able to do that so those were some of the 02:53:53.680 --> 02:54:00.640 reasons why it was denied by um by planning heritage design I made the the rare exception 02:54:00.640 --> 02:54:05.280 of going to a PSL meeting and making that known there I appreciate the tension that's here but 02:54:05.280 --> 02:54:09.440 I just want to make sure people understood why planning and heritage and design took the action 02:54:09.440 --> 02:54:16.720 that I did otherwise I just wanted to quickly say that I'd be against um deferring simply because 02:54:16.720 --> 02:54:22.160 the we've already kind of believed at this point but the permits I mean we always conditionally 02:54:22.160 --> 02:54:28.080 approve and all the permits have to be done so I don't think that has a bearing on a reason to 02:54:28.080 --> 02:54:40.400 defer. Alder de Merck. I'm going to be in favor of deferring it um I I want to do what the alder 02:54:40.400 --> 02:54:50.000 of that district steams is right um as a former resident of that district um it it was utilized as 02:54:50.320 --> 02:54:56.480 a a tool place but I think this would be a great opportunity for the location to have a grocery 02:54:56.480 --> 02:55:03.440 store um we have a lot of food deserts in this city and this is a great way to somewhat help 02:55:03.440 --> 02:55:10.080 out that situation. Uh the closest grocery store I see on the map is piggywiggly and that's a mile 02:55:10.080 --> 02:55:15.760 and a half away from the area so I I'm going to move forward to the deferment. 02:55:20.160 --> 02:55:28.480 Alder P. Thank you. I would also be in support of deferring the item as others have said especially 02:55:28.480 --> 02:55:35.440 the altar for the district. I know Mr. Patel and actually a customer so I know he does a great 02:55:35.440 --> 02:55:43.040 business and his current store has not had any problems or has been a positive force in the 02:55:43.040 --> 02:55:59.440 neighborhood. Thank you. Alder Herman. I just want to I guess it's a question I the um to the 02:55:59.440 --> 02:56:08.320 original sponsor so by deferring it we are saying that they can start the business portion the 02:56:08.320 --> 02:56:18.640 grocery store portion of it. The additional licensee regarding liquor or whatever that is on hold 02:56:19.280 --> 02:56:26.720 they need to hold off on that piece until they get the necessary things in order for all of that 02:56:26.720 --> 02:56:35.520 but we are fine just just go over exactly how they benefit who benefits from a deferment at this 02:56:35.520 --> 02:56:42.960 time. Alder Jorgensen would you yield to that question? I do uh and I have to do uh inception 02:56:42.960 --> 02:56:48.240 with this but I think ultimately I'm in the queue I would want to hear from the actual altar if 02:56:48.240 --> 02:56:53.920 she had supported it because my intention behind it was I was seeing a head nod at looking to see if 02:56:53.920 --> 02:56:59.600 I was making a motion by deferring and really the intention was we don't want to hold up having 02:56:59.600 --> 02:57:03.760 the grocery store portion go through allowing them to go and continue getting their permits for the 02:57:03.760 --> 02:57:10.480 grocery store. Um if you those of you may not remember uh Woodman's was another grocery store 02:57:10.480 --> 02:57:14.560 they actually went and did all of their additional permits first and then the last thing they came 02:57:14.560 --> 02:57:22.560 to get was the the liquor license so it was that um that was the intention that we weren't holding 02:57:22.560 --> 02:57:30.160 them up. However I guess from my intention if the intent of of the alder from the district was to 02:57:30.160 --> 02:57:37.520 have a decision tonight on it um I would support uh voting no on my motion to have a decision tonight 02:57:37.520 --> 02:57:43.360 so I not to answer your question with a question when I think the the real intent was to follow 02:57:43.360 --> 02:57:48.480 along with what the alder of the 11th was looking to do which was either not hold up the project to 02:57:48.560 --> 02:57:52.160 keep the grocery store going or if we want a final decision tonight we can do that as well. 02:57:53.440 --> 02:57:57.040 So it's a question for the city attorney if we prove the liquor license does that 02:57:57.040 --> 02:57:58.800 guarantee that there will be a grocery store? 02:58:04.400 --> 02:58:07.600 No it just guarantees the liquor license would be issued. 02:58:08.880 --> 02:58:15.280 Thank you. Um alder Wagner. You have a question for the city attorney to kind of clarify the 02:58:15.280 --> 02:58:20.160 comments made by the mayor regarding the action taken by the planning heritage committee. 02:58:20.160 --> 02:58:28.240 Do we still have a zoning board of review? Is there any board of appeals? Of appeals? We do. 02:58:28.240 --> 02:58:36.160 We still have that and would their jurisdiction be if if he was denied a zoning change from a B1 02:58:36.160 --> 02:58:42.720 to a B2 where he could sell packaged liquor he could have gone to the zoning board of review. 02:58:43.680 --> 02:58:51.520 No that's not what the zoning board of appeals is for. It's for variances and different kinds of zoning 02:58:51.520 --> 02:59:01.600 decisions. It's not changing the zoning of or an exception. You can make an exception like when I 02:59:01.600 --> 02:59:06.400 want to put my pool in the front of my yard I went to the zoning board of appeals and said I don't 02:59:06.400 --> 02:59:11.120 have room in the back and I put it toward the front. Right those kinds of things and he could have done 02:59:11.680 --> 02:59:19.040 that with the not changing the zoning that doesn't that's the PhD. But he could have an exception to 02:59:19.040 --> 02:59:24.000 the he could have asked for a variance though correct. He could have asked for a variance. 02:59:28.160 --> 02:59:34.080 So the reason I asked that question on the deferral and I don't want to muddy the water 02:59:35.040 --> 02:59:41.600 but I think his preference would have been to have a small section of his store to sell 02:59:41.600 --> 02:59:47.280 packaged liquor for people to take away because he couldn't do that then he went to plan B which 02:59:47.280 --> 02:59:54.560 was this little restaurant to be inside the store. So I don't want to muddy the water. 02:59:55.440 --> 03:00:07.440 Yes I have a question for the attorney but first I wanted to make another comment when that property 03:00:07.440 --> 03:00:14.320 is vacant I have to deal with neighborhood enhancement because a lot of people come and dump their 03:00:14.320 --> 03:00:22.160 garbage there and then the city has to go and clean it out. So to have an owner there would be a lot 03:00:22.160 --> 03:00:30.480 better and my question for the attorney is with the application that they put in for the little 03:00:30.480 --> 03:00:39.280 small liquor license to drink inside and the grocery and deli if they don't go with their plan 03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:45.440 then what what would be the alternative. I mean if we granted them the license and then they just 03:00:45.440 --> 03:00:53.280 kept that but I mean you said they don't have to open the store. Well if a liquor license 03:00:54.560 --> 03:01:01.600 we're talking about a big class B license here if that's issued they could operate that kind of a 03:01:01.600 --> 03:01:12.560 business consistent with this zoning district which is in in store on premises sale of alcohol by the 03:01:12.640 --> 03:01:21.840 class. But the business plan says seating for 12. Well that's true I mean would have 03:01:21.840 --> 03:01:27.040 consistent with the business plan that's presented. So they'd have to be consistent with that. 03:01:27.760 --> 03:01:34.880 At least with respect to the restaurant part of it. Thank you. I just want to 03:01:34.880 --> 03:01:38.640 there's no guarantee with granting this liquor license that there will be a grocery store in 03:01:38.640 --> 03:01:46.240 this establishment. Right because they would not with this license and the 03:01:46.240 --> 03:01:51.840 zoning be able to sell packaged goods to go off premises and I guess I think that's 03:01:52.560 --> 03:01:55.520 one thing a grocery store might do but there wouldn't be a lot to do that. 03:01:58.560 --> 03:02:01.600 There's also discussion at the community level about whether or not you could have 03:02:01.600 --> 03:02:07.600 and still have food stamps at a grocery store that serves liquor in a restaurant capacity. 03:02:07.600 --> 03:02:13.280 Did we get clarity on that? Sure. Attorney Poplin researched it. There's no reason that 03:02:13.280 --> 03:02:19.440 we're aware of it would not be able to otherwise qualify for that but it's up to the business 03:02:19.440 --> 03:02:27.760 to apply to get qualified as a federal program. Other questions? Comments? Again what is before 03:02:27.760 --> 03:02:35.360 us is not the motion itself. It is an emotion to defer this item when the order drove into. 03:02:35.520 --> 03:02:41.040 I guess I would I would just ask if Alderland yields to a question. Alderland will yield to a 03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:48.080 question. She says yes please take your question. With my intent of doing this would you are you 03:02:48.080 --> 03:02:53.200 in favor of deferring or would you rather there be a final decision tonight on it? I would rather 03:02:53.200 --> 03:02:59.360 the final decision come tonight. Okay then I will be voting no on the motion. Does your 03:02:59.360 --> 03:03:06.640 seconder withdraw? Sorry are you with? Okay. 03:03:15.280 --> 03:03:20.800 All right so the motion has been made and seconded it belongs to the it is on the the floor right 03:03:20.800 --> 03:03:27.040 now to vote on that item so the motion before us is to defer this item when the clerk calls your 03:03:27.040 --> 03:03:36.480 name please vote as you wish. Sure again so it is before us is the item to defer so this is not 03:03:36.480 --> 03:03:42.000 the motion on whether or not to grant the license only whether or not we would defer the item until 03:03:42.000 --> 03:03:48.880 a future date when more clarity is granted on permits or grocery stores or whatever clarity 03:03:48.880 --> 03:03:52.880 people are looking for. So when the clerk calls your name all we're voting on isn't whether or not 03:03:52.960 --> 03:03:56.880 to grant the license what we are voting on is whether or not to defer this item and tell a 03:03:56.880 --> 03:04:02.240 future date to get more information. When the clerk calls your name please vote as you wish. 03:04:02.240 --> 03:04:05.440 Alderland. Alder DeMark. 03:04:12.720 --> 03:04:22.080 Alder Harmon. Alder Pabone. Alder Frazier. No. Alder Weiss. 03:04:23.520 --> 03:04:33.840 Alder Jorgensen. No. Alder Widener. No. Alder Horton. No. Alder Hodges. No. Alder Allen. No. Alder Pete. 03:04:40.000 --> 03:04:46.960 Ten nose two eyes. The motion to defer fails. This now brings us back to the main motion which was 03:04:46.960 --> 03:04:51.920 whether or not to grant the license at this location. We had more people in the queue before on that 03:04:52.640 --> 03:04:58.720 if you would like to speak to that primary motion now would be the appropriate time to do that. 03:04:58.720 --> 03:05:08.720 Alder Pabone. Thank you Mr. Mayor. So I would support Alderland in this particular instance 03:05:08.720 --> 03:05:13.360 because it is her district but I would say more that we can get into hypotheticals about whether or 03:05:13.360 --> 03:05:17.520 not I mean does this guarantee that there's going to be some type of grocery store in that area or 03:05:17.520 --> 03:05:22.160 not but I also do think that there's something to be said that this particular person has been 03:05:22.160 --> 03:05:27.040 in this community for a really really long time. I mean I've been in Cristianos I've been around 03:05:27.040 --> 03:05:34.320 that area friends you know that go way way way back. So I think that any of the businesses that 03:05:34.320 --> 03:05:41.440 present a dual you know purpose for their business could do something like that hypothetically but I 03:05:41.440 --> 03:05:46.400 also think that there are things in place that we can do to rectify situations like that so 03:05:46.400 --> 03:05:51.120 I would support the Alder and in her wish for us to approve this license. Thank you. 03:05:54.560 --> 03:05:55.280 Alder Frazier. 03:06:00.880 --> 03:06:08.560 Alder Frazier you have the floor. Yeah so I this is this is a weird moment for it's not a weird it 03:06:09.440 --> 03:06:17.680 it's very how can I say I'm troubled because I want to be consistent I want to be fair I want 03:06:17.680 --> 03:06:23.360 to support Alderland because I respect her and she knows her district best. However Kamo 03:06:24.240 --> 03:06:32.560 wanted the biggest things that one of the biggest issues that I consistently almost two years being 03:06:32.640 --> 03:06:41.360 on the council get beat up on is the amount of places in our city that sells beer alcohol 03:06:41.360 --> 03:06:50.720 packaged on package you name it people are upset and or people are concerned and you know we 03:06:51.520 --> 03:06:58.240 you know the reason why I voted not to defer is because the issue still stands on where 03:06:59.120 --> 03:07:08.320 on the amount of places in our city that sells liquor and I think that that is a question 03:07:08.320 --> 03:07:15.760 and a conversation that really needs to be had as to how are we permitting these places 03:07:16.480 --> 03:07:23.920 and so I'm really conflicted with this issue I want to see the development I want to see the 03:07:24.000 --> 03:07:29.440 grocery store I want to see the deli all of the good things I come with it is just do we actually 03:07:29.440 --> 03:07:37.840 need another place considering there are multiple places around that area that that readily have 03:07:37.840 --> 03:07:44.560 alcohol available do we want to see another place in close vicinity that sells the same thing 03:07:44.560 --> 03:07:51.200 and so that's what I'm wrestling with I agree with the development I just having a hard time 03:07:51.200 --> 03:08:00.480 agreeing and supporting the license itself otherwise um is it within the thousand feet 03:08:02.080 --> 03:08:06.320 you know the proximity you mentioned that and I know that that's one of the criteria you we use 03:08:06.320 --> 03:08:16.320 as a committee it's just the geographic limitation applies to class a licenses this is a class b 03:08:16.400 --> 03:08:20.640 we don't have a geographic limitation the ordinances for class bs thank you 03:08:20.640 --> 03:08:25.840 oh just as a point of information I know we've been working on the zoning code rewrite we did the 03:08:26.480 --> 03:08:31.360 comprehensive plan with the city pulled over a thousand members of the community and the things 03:08:31.360 --> 03:08:36.640 that they said they wanted to see less of were more bars liquor stores and payday loans and so 03:08:36.640 --> 03:08:42.720 in the draft of that rewrite both classifications of liquor of liquor licenses would fall within 03:08:42.720 --> 03:08:47.280 that geographic restriction although it does not currently. Alderman. 03:08:49.120 --> 03:08:57.840 Thank you uh in Kenosha on at the intersection of 22nd in Washington there is 03:09:00.480 --> 03:09:06.880 there is a restaurant it is a restaurant convenience store with you know the sales chips and things 03:09:06.880 --> 03:09:12.640 like that but they have a hot cold deli which surprisingly has really good food and good portions 03:09:12.720 --> 03:09:19.520 and then it does sell some alcohol that is not packaged you know you drink it there so 03:09:20.080 --> 03:09:28.880 I've seen this mixed use space in real time but it does not advertise itself as a grocery store 03:09:28.880 --> 03:09:38.320 and I think you know what really again attracts me is anything that works to combat our food 03:09:38.720 --> 03:09:45.200 deserts in the city every scene so just try I don't want this to be a place that says 03:09:45.840 --> 03:09:52.960 you know I can make this be more palatable to the people that have to vote on this if I say 03:09:52.960 --> 03:10:00.080 I'm going to attach some food to this license and so when you say that there isn't any guarantee 03:10:00.080 --> 03:10:05.760 that kind of concerns me because the guarantee would come from the person who's asking for this 03:10:05.840 --> 03:10:11.600 license and they would be able to stand in front of us and say this is what this grocery store is 03:10:11.600 --> 03:10:16.560 going to look like and how it is going to serve the community and then oh by the way they can 03:10:16.560 --> 03:10:22.080 sit while they shop so I'm not seeing that and I don't know if we've seen anything that you 03:10:22.080 --> 03:10:27.920 would suggest that it will be that so that there is my concern because I always am going to 03:10:28.480 --> 03:10:35.840 respect the other in the district but I would hope that someone would be able to give this 03:10:35.840 --> 03:10:41.600 information because if this is just cosplaying gaslighting then the community would not be 03:10:41.600 --> 03:10:48.240 best served especially in the community location where it is going to be you've heard that it's 03:10:48.240 --> 03:10:53.200 going to be in a very vulnerable part of our community it should lead first with the things 03:10:53.280 --> 03:10:58.640 that are going to best serve the community and anything else after that would be an add-on. 03:11:03.120 --> 03:11:11.760 All right. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I would say that the altar of the district does have a petition 03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:16.640 that has been signed by people. We have seen numerous people here tonight speak in favor of this 03:11:16.640 --> 03:11:22.720 which has been the guiding line for some of my colleagues with past issues with how many people 03:11:22.720 --> 03:11:28.560 show up to speak as well whether that be a committee and or here in the council. I will say 03:11:28.560 --> 03:11:35.280 that to all their Allen's point we do have in the business plan where it says Mr. Patel intends to 03:11:35.280 --> 03:11:40.000 operate a combination grocery store in tavern that sells groceries deli sandwiches hot food and 03:11:40.000 --> 03:11:46.160 alcohol by the glass which is in the old location of Ace Hardware on Taylor Avenue. So there is 03:11:46.160 --> 03:11:51.680 some stuff in there especially with the with the business plan that has been approved or at least 03:11:51.680 --> 03:11:56.320 you know gone through. So I do think that's a distinction to make there as well as 03:11:57.680 --> 03:12:02.560 again back to my earlier point they've been here they've they've shown that they're going to be 03:12:02.560 --> 03:12:08.960 invested and I know that doesn't always have to come with a license to sell alcohol but again I 03:12:08.960 --> 03:12:13.200 have to go back with with all the land and the work that her and her constituents have done 03:12:14.000 --> 03:12:20.480 to to try to plead their case. So I know that the we are speaking right now on the motion to deny 03:12:20.480 --> 03:12:24.240 but I would like to make a motion to approve the license. 03:12:31.520 --> 03:12:37.120 I don't think that's an order. I think what we have it is an order to do is not. Yeah it's not 03:12:37.120 --> 03:12:43.120 an order at this time. So if the motion to deny the license fails then a subsequent motion after 03:12:43.120 --> 03:12:46.000 that to approve would be in order. Okay thank you. 03:12:48.000 --> 03:12:48.640 I'll go to Mark. 03:12:53.680 --> 03:13:03.200 Again this is this is going to be a grocery store slash deli with some alcohol. I can understand 03:13:03.200 --> 03:13:09.680 if it's like Michelle the bar down the street or my wife first bar I get that I understand that 03:13:10.640 --> 03:13:17.520 but this is a thing. The plan that they put together is a well thought plan. 03:13:18.480 --> 03:13:23.440 It's better than other plans that were presented to the council in the past where it was handwritten 03:13:24.640 --> 03:13:29.600 where my seven year old niece would have done a better job of writing it. 03:13:32.080 --> 03:13:38.640 I'm still going to be voting for this so I'm going to be voting no for denial. 03:13:40.560 --> 03:13:54.400 All right thank you. I have always said that I will support the 03:13:55.440 --> 03:14:03.920 order on a decision that they made because they should understand their district 03:14:04.720 --> 03:14:11.280 and I've also always said that I'm going to follow policies that are written because as 03:14:11.280 --> 03:14:18.240 soon as we go out start going outside of policies and what we have voted on and established by 03:14:18.240 --> 03:14:26.080 people then we get in a situation that at a federal level people are just doing what they 03:14:26.080 --> 03:14:31.200 want to do and I'm following any rules and got people putting people into positions. 03:14:34.000 --> 03:14:42.640 So I love this deep and rich energetic conversation. I'm stuck between a rock and a 03:14:42.640 --> 03:14:52.160 hard place because both of those things I really do support but I think that a business plan can 03:14:52.240 --> 03:15:07.120 be well-meaning and I believe that an owner can have the best public business attitude vibe 03:15:07.120 --> 03:15:16.480 energy at where they are for years and years but they haven't been in a situation where they've 03:15:16.480 --> 03:15:23.600 been in that location serving alcohol with people who will drink it at that location 03:15:23.600 --> 03:15:33.360 get in a car and leave and people within that area come in and drink it at silly and have 03:15:34.320 --> 03:15:44.000 and a lot of different things in that location that is close to other alcohol selling places 03:15:44.000 --> 03:15:53.760 and schools and halos where there are people who are actually in halo doing programs to prevent 03:15:53.760 --> 03:16:00.240 addictions to alcohol and addictions to other drugs and then to be within a vicinity that they 03:16:00.240 --> 03:16:10.480 could actually get that with a dinner and a sandwich you know it kind of you know I support the 03:16:11.440 --> 03:16:19.680 committee and the reasons behind why they said that that that this license should not be granted 03:16:19.680 --> 03:16:24.000 at this time. 03:16:24.800 --> 03:16:30.720 Alder Jorgensen and then we'll go to Alder Frazier. I guess I just have a question to 03:16:30.720 --> 03:16:36.320 I think this may be the city attorney but maybe the committee who talked with the owner on it 03:16:36.960 --> 03:16:43.120 looking through the business plan it looks like it's $50,000 a month estimated sale from alcoholic 03:16:43.120 --> 03:16:49.680 beverages and 30,000 from food is that consistent with what the proposal was for like a sip and 03:16:49.680 --> 03:16:55.040 shop or I just I know what's been described as like a sip oil shop kind of a thing is that what 03:16:55.040 --> 03:17:03.680 we see from like other applications. Are you directing a question at the city? Yeah I guess 03:17:03.680 --> 03:17:06.720 I will go to the city attorney unless somebody from the committee could give a little more 03:17:06.720 --> 03:17:11.360 background and I just the reason I'm going through the business plan is it sounds like if that's 03:17:11.360 --> 03:17:14.800 what we're relying on doing sure that there's a grocery store I just want to make sure that 03:17:14.800 --> 03:17:21.200 we're all set with it that it be 50,000 a month in alcohol and 30,000 from food is that is that 03:17:21.200 --> 03:17:27.920 consistent with other. If it's all right other Jorgensen I'd like to direct your question to 03:17:27.920 --> 03:17:35.200 the city clerk. This is a unique application and that typically when we get the sales it is 03:17:35.200 --> 03:17:43.280 either a class A convenience store or a class B bar. I'm not aware of any full class Bs in the 03:17:43.280 --> 03:17:51.120 city of Racine that have a grocery store and a bar so is it typical of other establishments? 03:17:51.120 --> 03:17:56.800 I don't really have any data to go off of. And so then I guess this portion of it would be for 03:17:56.800 --> 03:18:01.280 the city attorney because it sounds like everyone has agreement that we'd love a grocery store there. 03:18:02.640 --> 03:18:08.880 If this main motion were to fail in a subsequent motion were to be made, is there anything that 03:18:08.880 --> 03:18:14.960 can be made in that subsequent motion to somehow ensure that there would be a grocery store 03:18:14.960 --> 03:18:28.720 component with this? 03:18:30.480 --> 03:18:36.960 The premise of the description anticipates there will be a grocery store. That's always an issue with 03:18:37.760 --> 03:18:48.720 liquor licenses to make sure. The alcohol beverage part of this is just a small bar 03:18:50.400 --> 03:18:57.920 according to the description, a small bar along the back wall of the grocery store. There will 03:18:57.920 --> 03:19:04.560 be a small bar with seating its tools for 12 people, four top tables, two couches, alcohol, 03:19:04.560 --> 03:19:11.760 B store and served in the front of the bar. The alcohol beverage part of the premises is 03:19:11.760 --> 03:19:22.560 just this deli counter that's at the back. The city clerk had something she wanted to add here. 03:19:23.760 --> 03:19:30.480 If the council so wished you could limit the premise description to only allow the sales 03:19:30.560 --> 03:19:35.920 storage and serving of alcohol to be within a certain location of the floor plan. 03:19:37.920 --> 03:19:40.880 That might get to the point of what the council is attempting to do. 03:19:43.680 --> 03:19:54.000 I guess I think the intent was more of to ensure that there is the grocery store 03:19:54.000 --> 03:20:01.600 component to it. I think it's more so reading the room that there's a high interest in getting 03:20:01.600 --> 03:20:08.640 this approved for the grocery store component but there's some hesitancy on making sure that that 03:20:08.640 --> 03:20:13.760 would be a part of it. To ensure that we can get this approved I'm just trying to see if the city 03:20:13.760 --> 03:20:19.200 attorney has something that can be included in a potential subsequent motion to maybe alleviate 03:20:19.200 --> 03:20:24.720 those concerns around it no longer having the grocery store component to it. 03:20:28.400 --> 03:20:35.440 Well the premises description includes a grocery store so I think if you approve this 03:20:35.440 --> 03:20:42.960 on the condition that a grocery store is also opened that is what is anticipated in the application. 03:20:43.520 --> 03:20:50.960 So I guess to hear that right for those that may be concerned around approving it that the 03:20:50.960 --> 03:20:57.280 grocery store may not come to fruition. Any subsequent motion could be made approval with 03:20:57.280 --> 03:21:02.560 the condition that the business plan be followed requiring a grocery store. 03:21:06.080 --> 03:21:12.000 Yes. So I think that there hopefully should alleviate a lot of the concerns around this because 03:21:12.000 --> 03:21:16.400 we have someone who's in the community we can require that the grocery store component be there 03:21:16.400 --> 03:21:20.960 and so the fear that it would just basically become a bar and there'd be no longer any food 03:21:20.960 --> 03:21:26.880 there that would go against what the new motion would be and so we would be requiring that there 03:21:26.880 --> 03:21:34.720 be a grocery store as part of this. I think if you make the motion conditioned upon that that can 03:21:34.720 --> 03:21:40.960 be enforced. Well so since we're still in the main motion I guess we'll hold off on that but 03:21:40.960 --> 03:21:44.400 I'm seeing some heads-knot of that may be a route to go with this. 03:21:49.600 --> 03:21:54.320 All right, did you want to speak? Did you want to speak one more time? You were in the queue and 03:21:54.320 --> 03:22:04.160 then it disappeared. Kel, I think I'll reserve my comments for the next motion. Should there be one? 03:22:04.160 --> 03:22:13.360 I'm going to do something that I don't usually do which is yield the chair to the 03:22:14.160 --> 03:22:20.080 council president to make comments on the motion. 03:22:34.160 --> 03:22:51.440 The chair recognizes the maker. All right, thanks very much. It's an unusual thing for me to come 03:22:51.440 --> 03:22:56.720 down and offer comments on a particular application but I did want to put it in a larger context 03:22:56.720 --> 03:23:01.440 and express concerns about it and where it came through for the planning heritage and design 03:23:01.440 --> 03:23:06.240 and I just don't want to confuse the desire that all of us have for grocery stores to address 03:23:06.240 --> 03:23:11.120 the food deserts as being the same thing as granting a liquor license because they're not the same 03:23:11.120 --> 03:23:16.640 thing. Again this came through planning heritage and design for a variance on a specific site to 03:23:16.640 --> 03:23:22.000 do this. I will just reiterate when we look at conditional use permits and we look at zoning 03:23:22.000 --> 03:23:26.400 changes one of the things we consider under the statutes is whether or not the activity would be 03:23:26.400 --> 03:23:32.000 this is the statutory language injurious to the neighborhood. This is already an area with a 03:23:32.000 --> 03:23:37.680 lot of density for liquor license as it is. It is also the same neighborhood that Halo is in 03:23:37.680 --> 03:23:42.480 at the workforce development center is in and at the new mental health facility which is built 03:23:42.480 --> 03:23:46.960 to address mental illness a big part of which or a substantial part of which will be mental 03:23:46.960 --> 03:23:52.880 health but also alcohol and other drug abuse related issues. So I am concerned about the number 03:23:52.880 --> 03:23:57.440 of liquor licenses we have in the city broadly. Again if you look at the comprehensive plan 03:23:57.440 --> 03:24:02.720 and serving members of this community they want fewer bars they want fewer liquor stores and they 03:24:02.720 --> 03:24:06.960 want fewer payday loans and pawn shops. They want more quality of life things like what we're doing 03:24:06.960 --> 03:24:10.960 with the King Center like what we're doing with the parks at Lakeview and less of those things. 03:24:10.960 --> 03:24:16.960 There is no shortage of places to go to buy alcohol in this community and in this particular 03:24:16.960 --> 03:24:21.760 neighborhood you do not have to go far to find several places to buy alcohol so people will not 03:24:21.760 --> 03:24:28.400 go without if their desire is to purchase alcohol. So adding one more liquor license in a highly 03:24:28.400 --> 03:24:33.840 dense area that already has a number of liquor license already in a community where we get many 03:24:33.840 --> 03:24:40.240 complaints on an ongoing basis on how the Halo residents interact in the community and what 03:24:40.240 --> 03:24:46.560 happens during the day and the concerns about alcohol consumption already to me one more liquor 03:24:46.560 --> 03:24:51.440 license would be one more injurious additional concern that I would have about putting this 03:24:51.520 --> 03:24:58.160 particular location in that space. I'm a hundred percent for the grocery store and the deli that 03:24:58.160 --> 03:25:04.480 sounds amazing. At PS&L when the applicant was asked would you still open the grocery store if 03:25:04.480 --> 03:25:11.680 you can get the license he said yes then he was asked again by one of the elders and then he said 03:25:11.680 --> 03:25:16.400 well that's not a fair question that's not a fair question. I'm sure he would prefer the liquor 03:25:16.400 --> 03:25:21.360 license to help with sales. I don't put grudge him as a small business owner wanting to do that 03:25:21.360 --> 03:25:25.760 but I want to be really clear about the concerns that I have. I debated about whether or not to 03:25:25.760 --> 03:25:29.680 even come down here because people that I usually agree with I think you're going to vote against 03:25:29.680 --> 03:25:34.960 me on this and that's okay but as the mayor who's been trying to turn some of these issues around 03:25:34.960 --> 03:25:39.520 around homelessness and around density in the neighborhoods and big areas of concern that we 03:25:39.520 --> 03:25:44.240 hear in this place is I just feel like I would be remiss if I didn't raise those issues. I don't 03:25:44.240 --> 03:25:48.160 enjoy disagreeing with people I usually agree with. I certainly respect the alder of the district 03:25:48.800 --> 03:25:54.080 in her assessment that this would be a good addition but I really think we've got to separate 03:25:54.080 --> 03:25:58.880 the request for a grocery store which we all love which I think would pass unanimously and 03:25:58.880 --> 03:26:04.080 whether there's a necessity for yet another liquor license in a neighborhood that is saturated 03:26:04.080 --> 03:26:10.080 with them already and has people with real risk issues in that space. So my plea to you all is 03:26:10.080 --> 03:26:16.000 to reconsider doing the liquor license let's let's get them going with the grocery store and if 03:26:16.000 --> 03:26:21.280 it's actually open and running maybe we want to look at it another year and reconsider but I don't 03:26:21.280 --> 03:26:26.000 think this is the space where we should do another liquor license and I think we've got to stop 03:26:26.000 --> 03:26:30.880 equating liquor licenses with grocery stores if it's a real grocery store and it opens and it's 03:26:30.880 --> 03:26:36.160 that way let's let's look at it but I feel like it's the justification for another liquor license 03:26:36.240 --> 03:26:40.640 that I don't think that we need in that neighborhood again I may lose on this but I feel like I would 03:26:40.640 --> 03:26:44.640 be really remiss given the issues we're dealing on on redevelopment and tension points in the 03:26:44.640 --> 03:26:59.440 community to not say that out loud thank you alder whitener thank you I guess if you're wrong long 03:26:59.440 --> 03:27:04.720 enough history does repeat itself the comments I was going to make earlier was in regards to 03:27:05.520 --> 03:27:12.480 another initiative just like what is being proposed at 1950 Taylor Avenue and that was the market 03:27:12.480 --> 03:27:18.960 the historic district market that was on 6th Street where the Indian motorcycle shop is now I remember 03:27:18.960 --> 03:27:27.920 when they developed they had a liquor license in that they had a grocery store they had a small 03:27:28.480 --> 03:27:34.880 area where they served wine and that went with the deli they had a big farmers market the back 03:27:34.880 --> 03:27:42.400 they had a butcher shop they had the deli and that business failed because there is such a small 03:27:42.400 --> 03:27:48.880 margin of profit on just a grocery store if you look at any of the grocery stores in and around 03:27:48.880 --> 03:27:56.880 we're seeing every single one sells liquor to go which this operation first wanted to do but wasn't 03:27:56.880 --> 03:28:06.240 able to so then he went to plan B it's great to say yeah we we just want a grocery store but 03:28:06.800 --> 03:28:13.120 it's almost impossible to have a business with just a grocery store you have to make a profit 03:28:13.120 --> 03:28:22.800 and you can't make a profit with just a a grocery store I hope that the council will vote down 03:28:23.760 --> 03:28:33.200 denying this license and reconsider there are enough protections in place and and we know 03:28:33.200 --> 03:28:38.640 dandy he's been in operation for 15 years he's got a grocery store a block and a half away from 03:28:38.640 --> 03:28:44.320 halo he's not had any incidents whatsoever the grocery store he intends to open as a block away 03:28:44.320 --> 03:28:49.760 and this is exactly what we want for our immigrants when they come to our country they start a small 03:28:49.840 --> 03:28:58.320 business and then they expand so I hope that the council will vote down the denial of this license 03:28:58.320 --> 03:29:04.240 and support him in support business he is the one that's taking the financial risk and it's great 03:29:04.240 --> 03:29:08.560 the things that the mayor talks about what the government is doing what the city is doing to 03:29:08.560 --> 03:29:13.680 improve things it's a different story when it's your own money that that you're putting out there 03:29:13.680 --> 03:29:20.000 investing in risking like mr. Patel is doing with this business so I hope the council will 03:29:20.000 --> 03:29:27.920 support and encourage other businesses in receipt because believe me our reputation as not being 03:29:27.920 --> 03:29:37.120 business friendly it has a ripple effect and like I said I hope we support this man being able to 03:29:37.120 --> 03:29:41.840 expand his business and treat it like any other grocery store that we would 03:29:46.000 --> 03:29:54.320 I thank you the chair recognizes all their Allen okay thank you so I did make the comment earlier 03:29:54.320 --> 03:30:03.280 about new deserts shopping and sipping and you know the vulnerability of the place in the city 03:30:03.280 --> 03:30:10.880 where this license is going to exist we cannot look at this like apples and oranges I don't know 03:30:11.520 --> 03:30:18.240 if the business that all the wider was describing earlier you know even I'm familiar with the Indian 03:30:18.240 --> 03:30:24.000 motorcycle place and the bar that's on top of it now all of what you've described but if it was on 03:30:24.000 --> 03:30:30.480 6th Street that is not where we're talking about right now so that community is completely different 03:30:31.280 --> 03:30:36.320 the vulnerability over there is completely different and access to food is different 03:30:36.320 --> 03:30:43.680 so I guess while we have grocery stores that are grocery stores determined by the square footage 03:30:43.680 --> 03:30:50.560 that is allowed for food and the square footage in the store that is allowed for alcohol we know 03:30:50.560 --> 03:30:57.440 that that is what really determines that it is a grocery store we have quick trips now that are 03:30:57.440 --> 03:31:04.480 in existence that are just as little mini they're doing the best in your little spaces right now 03:31:04.480 --> 03:31:09.760 they've grown actually from just a little yogurt that you could purchase to now you go in there 03:31:09.760 --> 03:31:15.200 and actually get a shopping cart and you can do actual grocery shopping so in my mind when I'm 03:31:15.200 --> 03:31:21.360 looking and hearing you know we're going to have a grocery store I'm really looking for the grocery 03:31:21.360 --> 03:31:27.520 store and someone's saying well we're going to have alcohol not again trying to just tag on 03:31:27.520 --> 03:31:35.680 grocery store because it sounds good we do really have to be cognizant of the people that we are 03:31:35.680 --> 03:31:41.680 serving and yes if if that person is really interested in having a grocery store they will 03:31:41.680 --> 03:31:47.120 just like other businesses that I've said this about if that's really what you want and you really 03:31:47.200 --> 03:31:51.360 want to preach to the choir about how you want to be the answer to the food desert then you're 03:31:51.360 --> 03:31:58.320 going to have a grocery store no matter what it's sort of like how johnson's is using their money to 03:31:58.880 --> 03:32:04.400 do their golf course and they say they're not going to receive anything back from that that is 03:32:04.400 --> 03:32:10.800 something you're doing for the community so we really have to be aware of how we are serving 03:32:10.800 --> 03:32:19.280 different areas in our community and what that means and when you go into a poor challenged 03:32:19.280 --> 03:32:25.840 neighborhood and you introduce things that are easy addictions you have to be responsible for 03:32:25.840 --> 03:32:32.320 those outcomes and we are responsible for finances we are responsible for what the city looks like 03:32:32.320 --> 03:32:38.720 we are responsible for how we message to our children and to our families and so it doesn't 03:32:38.720 --> 03:32:42.960 mean that everyone that comes along says they want to spend money in our community 03:32:42.960 --> 03:32:48.320 that we have to say all gold is not good gold so we have to be aware and this is a very hard 03:32:48.320 --> 03:32:53.920 struggle for me because what really is holding me back is I can't really see this as a grocery 03:32:53.920 --> 03:33:00.720 store because I see this as a tagline and that's why i'm asking what does the grocery store portion 03:33:00.720 --> 03:33:06.800 look like because if it's leading with that that takes away from some of the sting in that location 03:33:06.800 --> 03:33:13.840 if it's leading with alcohol with a banana then it's not serving the community in a specific way 03:33:18.320 --> 03:33:22.080 there are people in the queue but there has been a motion to call the question is there 03:33:22.080 --> 03:33:28.320 there's a second to call the question um I will say all their pobon was the only other one in the 03:33:28.320 --> 03:33:34.400 queue so it sounds like he's he's taking himself out so that does empty the queue um so with that 03:33:34.400 --> 03:33:41.040 we're back to the main motion now which is to approve the recommendation from the committee 03:33:41.040 --> 03:33:48.880 which was to deny so a yes vote denies the application a no vote would bring us right back here again 03:33:48.880 --> 03:33:54.640 where we would be in search of a new motion then so with that i'll have the clerk open the roll 03:33:54.960 --> 03:33:57.040 oh yes 03:33:59.280 --> 03:34:00.000 alderland 03:34:01.760 --> 03:34:02.560 alder demark 03:34:04.000 --> 03:34:04.800 alder harman 03:34:06.320 --> 03:34:07.120 alder pobon 03:34:08.720 --> 03:34:09.520 alder frasier 03:34:10.480 --> 03:34:10.960 he died 03:34:12.000 --> 03:34:12.640 alder wyse 03:34:14.640 --> 03:34:17.200 alder jorgensen apologies you're chairing 03:34:18.960 --> 03:34:19.760 alder wydener 03:34:21.760 --> 03:34:22.480 alder horton 03:34:23.280 --> 03:34:24.800 alder hodges 03:34:27.280 --> 03:34:28.080 alder alan 03:34:36.320 --> 03:34:36.960 alder peep 03:34:43.920 --> 03:34:47.600 that would be four eyes six nose one abstain 03:34:52.480 --> 03:34:53.440 i see you are you 03:34:55.280 --> 03:34:59.280 point of information is what okay if you want to push your button i can recognize you 03:34:59.520 --> 03:34:59.840 oops 03:35:01.120 --> 03:35:04.400 would you state your point of information please thank you sir just want to clarify an 03:35:04.400 --> 03:35:10.320 app set and i'm being abstain well abstaining also counts in the negative right 03:35:11.600 --> 03:35:12.320 so like a no 03:35:15.520 --> 03:35:17.520 it's on but i'm not sure 03:35:19.040 --> 03:35:20.960 mine oh mine's not on oh there we go okay 03:35:21.920 --> 03:35:26.720 the microphone lights we're on but we uh i would ask the city attorney i think to weigh in on that 03:35:27.920 --> 03:35:30.000 if you have you push your button 03:35:35.040 --> 03:35:38.000 in this instance it does have the effect of a no-boating 03:35:38.000 --> 03:35:48.880 all right so that means that the the motion then fails 03:35:50.320 --> 03:35:57.520 and so we are on the search then for a new motion i see alder pebone practically leaping 03:35:57.520 --> 03:36:04.080 out of his chair to be next yes thank you mr chair i would motion to approve conditionally 03:36:04.160 --> 03:36:09.280 upon them following the business plan that they'll have a grocery store as the attorney alluded to 03:36:09.280 --> 03:36:18.800 earlier second you have the the clerk i would like to ask a quick question i just want to clarify 03:36:18.800 --> 03:36:25.600 because there is such thing as a conditional license yes are you approved you're approving a 03:36:25.600 --> 03:36:29.600 or significant making on the condition that they have the grocery store as follow the business plan 03:36:29.600 --> 03:36:34.880 at the grocery store okay so under the condition that they have it before they are issued their 03:36:34.880 --> 03:36:40.160 liquor license or under that it is a conditional permit and they have six months before they have 03:36:40.160 --> 03:36:46.160 to come back to the psl committee to approve or deny the form of liquor license sorry the term 03:36:46.160 --> 03:36:51.760 it the verbiage means two things so i want to make sure could the attorney advise on the best sure 03:36:51.760 --> 03:36:59.280 so there is by ordinance a conditional grant of license that require it gives the applicant six 03:36:59.280 --> 03:37:04.080 months to complete work obtain all necessary permits and start operating under the license 03:37:04.080 --> 03:37:11.200 okay the council may also impose reasonable conditions for the issuance of a license 03:37:11.920 --> 03:37:17.280 so you could do either or both well i guess i wouldn't suggest both if you're going to grant 03:37:17.280 --> 03:37:22.880 a grant a conditional license so they have to complete work obtain permits and be operating 03:37:22.880 --> 03:37:29.120 within six months that's one thing you could also issue the license upon the condition that 03:37:29.120 --> 03:37:35.440 you follow the business plan including operating a grocery store that which one is number number 03:37:35.440 --> 03:37:40.400 two adoption number two and so if i could i think just to clarify for everyone because there was 03:37:40.400 --> 03:37:45.520 a second but if we can have the clerk just clarify what what that means to you then as far as when 03:37:45.520 --> 03:37:49.680 it's being issued and and what the plan would be and then if somebody were to make a second on it 03:37:49.760 --> 03:37:54.560 that would be it would be clarified we've two of them were combined i think thank you for the 03:37:54.560 --> 03:38:02.720 question so defining a grocery store is extremely hard by anything that i have in the clerk's office 03:38:03.360 --> 03:38:08.720 if you were to approve a conditional license it would go back before the public safety and 03:38:08.720 --> 03:38:16.240 licensing committee to determine if what has been done is good enough so it takes the condition 03:38:16.240 --> 03:38:22.080 off of me as the clerk to decide yes this is a grocery store or no it's not and puts it back in 03:38:22.080 --> 03:38:28.320 the hands of the council okay legislative 101 so i like that i like the ability because i think 03:38:28.320 --> 03:38:33.920 that kind of goes along with some of the concerns raised or if we're seeing these issues arise 03:38:34.480 --> 03:38:39.200 more than at that time the public safety and licensing committee would have the ability to act 03:38:39.200 --> 03:38:44.800 so i would motion to approve conditionally where they would have to come back in six months before 03:38:45.120 --> 03:38:51.840 ps&l committee so make a motion to essentially approve a conditional license for the applicant 03:38:51.840 --> 03:38:56.320 under the terms that they would come back before the committee in six months to see if it's being 03:38:56.320 --> 03:39:02.320 extended approved or denied yes attorney let me can i clarify if that works from 03:39:02.320 --> 03:39:07.600 that works and i think if we can also reference the particular ordinance section 03:39:08.160 --> 03:39:13.360 which is section 6-41 of the receipt code of ordinances which provides for this 03:39:14.800 --> 03:39:19.040 okay so if the so if the chair could just clarify for everyone because that's a lot 03:39:19.920 --> 03:39:25.920 I'm motioning to have a conditional approval of the license if i can state i think it would be 03:39:25.920 --> 03:39:33.840 a motion to approve a conditional grant of the license pursuant to section 6-41 of the receipt 03:39:33.840 --> 03:39:41.680 code of ordinances that has the six-month provision in some mode second all right so we have a 03:39:41.680 --> 03:39:48.560 motion from alder pabone second from originally alder harman was so all their 03:39:48.560 --> 03:39:52.560 freezer she'll yield to all their freezer so motion from alder pabone second from alder 03:39:52.560 --> 03:39:58.320 freezer the queue is empty if you were looking to speak on this new motion um now would be the 03:39:58.320 --> 03:40:03.520 time otherwise we'll go back to alder pabone to speak to your emotion i have it just at this 03:40:03.520 --> 03:40:07.920 point i think we've all said a lot so i would just call the question well alder 03:40:07.920 --> 03:40:12.480 freezer did raise his hand um as the maker of the motion though i would have the floor right 03:40:13.040 --> 03:40:16.880 so i would be have the ability to call question correct yes you can call the question i would 03:40:16.880 --> 03:40:22.720 call question that all right so the motion has been made uh to call the question by alder 03:40:24.800 --> 03:40:30.080 alder harman did second day um so it's been motioned in second to call the question although i do see 03:40:30.080 --> 03:40:36.400 alder freezer took his hand down um you know yeah it's fine i don't have to speak to it okay 03:40:36.400 --> 03:40:41.440 then there was no one else in the queue so i think we can save a a round of yeses to do it um that 03:40:41.440 --> 03:40:48.880 would bring us back to the motion and just to clarify it's a motion for a conditional license 03:40:49.760 --> 03:40:54.480 that would grant it they would have to come back in six months with there's the specific 03:40:54.480 --> 03:40:59.200 ordinance that was cited to do that but the the description of it is they would have to come back 03:40:59.200 --> 03:41:04.480 and then it would be uh the public safety and licensing committee deciding if what was done 03:41:04.480 --> 03:41:09.040 meets with their definition of the grocery store would be and then they would be at that time 03:41:09.040 --> 03:41:15.360 deciding whether to extend it uh or not so i see a lot of head knots from both sides i think i 03:41:15.360 --> 03:41:20.000 think it's something up good so with that the clerk will open the roll then alder land 03:41:20.960 --> 03:41:33.120 alder demark alder herman alder pebone alder freezer aye alder wyce alder george alder whitener 03:41:34.560 --> 03:41:46.640 alder horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat eleven eyes zero nose okay with that the 03:41:46.640 --> 03:42:01.600 motion carries uh looks like we will do a little bit of musical chairs 03:42:08.000 --> 03:42:14.640 okay um alder peat did you have any other items for separate consideration on your report 03:42:14.720 --> 03:42:20.000 no i do not then without objection the remainder of these items will go to the consent agenda 03:42:20.000 --> 03:42:25.680 and then i will move on to president jorgensen on the final item which is a direct referral 03:42:26.400 --> 03:42:31.920 due to timeliness um alder jorgensen uh have you had any requests for separate consideration on 03:42:31.920 --> 03:42:37.280 this item i did not then without objection that will be placed on the consent agenda and we will 03:42:37.280 --> 03:42:41.040 move to the consent agenda alder jorgensen would you like to make a motion regarding the consent 03:42:41.120 --> 03:42:46.320 agenda i move to approve the consent agenda the motion is second to approve the consent agenda 03:42:46.320 --> 03:42:50.720 all those in favor please say aye aye opposed the motion carries we now move on to common 03:42:50.720 --> 03:42:54.480 council announcements which are limited to recognition of city residents and employees 03:42:54.480 --> 03:42:58.560 memorials and non-political community events discussion matters related to governmental 03:42:58.560 --> 03:43:05.440 business is prohibited alder alan will begin with you thank you last night was national night out 03:43:05.440 --> 03:43:10.400 it was a wonderful opportunity to spend time with our community i want to thank 03:43:12.080 --> 03:43:18.160 lutheran resurrection church and the mobile station on spring street for signing up to 03:43:18.720 --> 03:43:24.640 participate i would like to thank all of our our service provider staff police fire 03:43:25.440 --> 03:43:32.240 and everyone who coordinated the event once again it was a moment for community i also would like 03:43:32.240 --> 03:43:39.600 everyone to know that on this coming saturday alder demarc and i are hosting the very first 03:43:39.600 --> 03:43:45.360 back to school event that will take place in lockwood park and we will have a whole fun 03:43:45.360 --> 03:43:51.280 and day i need everyone to kind of send out good to do energy to the universe so that it does not 03:43:51.920 --> 03:43:58.720 rain on saturday but everyone is invited and again it's at lockwood park and we'll have most of the 03:43:58.720 --> 03:44:06.640 afternoon depending on rain if it does rain we will be giving away gift cards to the schools 03:44:06.640 --> 03:44:14.960 in the area to give to their students for school supplies after school starts thank you alder 03:44:14.960 --> 03:44:26.640 hermit thank you i also want to give a very special thank you awesome job for everyone that 03:44:26.720 --> 03:44:33.840 participated in national night out neighborhood watch committee and the cop house the cop 03:44:33.840 --> 03:44:39.120 meet street cop house they always do a great job of including the community 03:44:39.680 --> 03:44:46.880 regular neighbors people within the areas blocks but all over a scene can come and they always host 03:44:46.880 --> 03:44:52.880 and do a really really good job so thank you meet street cop house and all the staff that 03:44:52.880 --> 03:44:59.840 participate in the national night out there we're going thank you mr mare i would just like to say 03:44:59.840 --> 03:45:06.640 that um well pre congratulations to my niece katana and her classmates they will be holding a production 03:45:06.640 --> 03:45:11.120 of matilda park high school over the weekend friday saturday and sunday they're still tickets 03:45:11.120 --> 03:45:17.280 available um also i went to the county fair that was a lot of funds a lot of familiar faces there 03:45:17.280 --> 03:45:22.800 so that was great um tomorrow is my one of my nieces faith her birthday so happy birthday 03:45:22.800 --> 03:45:28.160 to her my birthday is also this month but we'll skip past that and then um the national night 03:45:28.160 --> 03:45:34.400 out was fantastic i was able to attend monument square and the one on by douglas park and it was 03:45:34.400 --> 03:45:38.480 really great to see the community out and people actually smiling and laughing and just enjoying 03:45:38.480 --> 03:45:44.480 themselves especially the kids um there was you know no fighting no no craziness that was going on 03:45:44.960 --> 03:45:49.440 uh we had the you know first responders come out officer pits in particular with the pursuing 03:45:49.440 --> 03:45:54.160 police department very friendly very accommodating like the kids put stickers on his car that he went 03:45:54.160 --> 03:45:58.560 and promptly took off afterward but it was very great just to see that so thank you to raseenia 03:45:58.560 --> 03:46:03.360 bird watch uh to make that possible and all the sponsors and everyone else that came out to make 03:46:03.360 --> 03:46:10.240 it really special so thank you thank you all for going any other announcements under the mark 03:46:10.400 --> 03:46:19.360 um i also want to echo uh for a night out yesterday um it was it was a great day it was beautiful it 03:46:19.360 --> 03:46:26.320 was nice um it was a nice day for the community to come together as one uh that's what we really 03:46:26.320 --> 03:46:34.560 need in this city is everyone to come together and celebrate the the us um the other thing that i 03:46:34.560 --> 03:46:44.800 want to put out there is the um market um the farmer market um over by festival hall uh it's 03:46:44.800 --> 03:46:51.440 open every Saturday so hope to see you all there great uh i do you just want to give a shout out 03:46:51.440 --> 03:46:56.160 to national night out it was a great event i started at monument square and then went over to gold 03:46:56.160 --> 03:47:02.480 metal lofts uh in all the davis district um was luckily be joined by josh glessing who's the 03:47:02.560 --> 03:47:06.640 president milwaukee bucks who actually grew up just by gold metal lofts and got to reconnect with 03:47:06.640 --> 03:47:11.840 some of his old neighbors uh and just meeting with some of the constituents of ours who live in gold 03:47:11.840 --> 03:47:16.800 metal lofts and how important uh that affordable housing opportunity is for them to be in that 03:47:16.800 --> 03:47:20.640 neighborhood and how delighted they are met a couple people who went through our adult high school 03:47:20.640 --> 03:47:25.040 program who are there and and now employed in nursing so it's really affirming to see some 03:47:25.040 --> 03:47:30.400 of our government initiatives coming to fruit and just doing what national night is out is supposed 03:47:30.400 --> 03:47:35.520 to do which is to connect police and firefighters and other city officials with neighbors uh and 03:47:35.520 --> 03:47:40.400 celebrate our community so thanks to everybody who participated in the dozens events that we have 03:47:40.400 --> 03:47:44.480 around the community there's no way you can get to all of them there's so many of them so thank 03:47:44.480 --> 03:47:49.120 you to everybody who participated i see no other items so at this moment i would entertain a motion 03:47:49.120 --> 03:47:56.720 to adjourn uh many motions and seconds to adjourn all those in favor say aye opposed ayes have it we are