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arrived on this 5th of August 2026 is my honor to call to order the City of

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Racine Common Council. The first order of business as always is the Pledge of

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Allegiance. If you could please rise as you are able and join me in the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands one nation,

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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President Jorgensen did we have any excused absences this evening?

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We do, we have two. We have Alder Mack and Alder Kelly.

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I'll be duly noted in the minutes. Also just as a note we do have

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Alder Frazier who's joining us remotely.

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President Jorgensen would you like to make a motion regarding the minutes of

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July 21st? I move to approve the minutes.

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So motion in a second to approve said minutes. All those in favor of the

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minutes please say aye. Aye. Opposed? That motion carries.

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We do have two proclamations before we get into

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public comments this evening. One for National Farmers Market Week and

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another for Women's Equality Day. I will read them into the record now.

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First one reads whereas farmers markets provide

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residents with access to fresh locally and regionally grown foods while

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supporting Wisconsin farmers, food producers and small businesses.

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That farmers markets strengthen local economies by creating opportunities for

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farmers and entrepreneurs to sell directly to consumers keeping food

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dollars circulating within our communities.

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That farmers markets promote healthy lifestyles by increasing access to

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nutritious foods and encouraging residents to enjoy

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fresh seasonal products grown and produce close to home.

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That farmers markets create welcoming community gathering places where

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neighbors connect. Visitors discover local businesses

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and families enjoy the unique character of their community.

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Whereas the city of Racine welcomes the Racine Farmers Market on the lake a new

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community tradition that supports local agriculture, expands access to fresh

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food and activates the city's beautiful lake

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front while connecting residents directly with regional farmers and

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producers. Now therefore I, Corey Mason, mayor of the

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city of Racine, Wisconsin do hereby proclaim August 2nd through 8th

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2026 as national farmers market week in the city of Racine

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and encourage all residents to support local farmers and producers

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by visiting farmers markets and celebrating the many benefits that they

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bring to our community signed this 5th day of August

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2026. The other proclamation before us is regarding

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women's equality day and it reads whereas the nation is celebrating

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America's 250th anniversary and whereas women's history is recognized as

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essential for understanding the courageous complexity of our nation

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that knowing women's stories provides essential role models for everyone

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that role models are genuinely needed to face the extraordinary changes in

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unlearning challenges in the 21st century that learning about women's

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tenacity courage and creativity throughout the centuries

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is a tremendous source of strength and that women in the United States have

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continuously worked to gain full rights and responsibilities public or private

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legal or institutional as citizens of the United States

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and that women in every state and every cultural and religious group work to

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expand democracy by securing the right to vote for women

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and that Congress has designated August 26th the date the 19th amendment in

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franchising women was certified as women's equality day

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and whereas recognizing women's equality day as a day of celebration

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throughout the country emphasizes the importance of women's work for

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democracy now therefore i Cory Mason mayor of the

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city of Racine do you hear by proclaimed that in conjunction with the celebration

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of the nation's 250th birthday commemorate women's equality day

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august 26th as a national day celebrating the importance of women's

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suffrage movement and women's work to secure and expand

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equal rights today signed this fifth day of august 2026

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thank you for that everyone we will now move on to

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to public comments i will ask the city clerk to read the rules i will say i know

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there's a lot of people here who have a lot of passion that they want to bring

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to the issue there are two rules i want to just lay out

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before the clerk goes over the rules most broadly

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the first of which is you will see that there is a three-minute clock

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on on each speaker after the three minutes are up

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your microphone is turned off that is not a reflection on your commentary or

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what you're saying it is instead an effort to treat everybody equally

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everyone gets up to three minutes you don't have to use all three minutes

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but you get no more than three minutes the other thing is i know this is a

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pattern issue but as a matter of the quorum if people could refrain from

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shout outs or or applause if people want to do the

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signed language applause that would be appreciated if they want to show

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support but as a matter of decorum and respect

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if people could refrain from commenting on or applauding or

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pulling any of the comments that are made here today

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and so with that i'll ask the city clerk to please please read the rules of

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procedure for public comments the public comment segment is an

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opportunity for citizens to speak directly to the common council

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speakers will limit their remarks to three minutes

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there shall be no dialogue or interaction between the speaker and

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elected officials or staff this time is not intended to be a debate or

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discussion the common council shall not hear personal complaints or attacks

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against any city employee or elected official or any matter related to an

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individual claim citation appeal or lawsuit

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profane disruptive threatening or conduct that otherwise impedes

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the safe orderly and effective conduct of the common council meeting

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is equally unacceptable during the public comment period as it is during all

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other portions of city meetings candidates for public office may not

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use this opportunity to campaign for office

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speakers during the public comment period shall follow all rules of the common

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council and rulings of the chair including a decision to terminate the

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remarks if the speaker does not adhere to these

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rules public comments shall be limited to ideas or

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concerns regarding the city of rosene we encourage you to submit any detailed

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concerns in writing to the city clerk's office or your aldermen

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or they can be properly documented and directed for response

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there will be 21 speakers this evening the first one is

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Diane kenaski at 5101 right ab

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hello i like to speak about two issues tonight i'm going to reverse the

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discussion talk about bowling first and clutter second

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the reason why i have the um the melodal barbie with me is

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it reminds me of a friend at a net and i met at halo

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Rebecca Ryan although Rebecca Ryan was Caucasian

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the spirit and the like and the likeness of Rebecca's leadership

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reminds us about um how she handle bowling and also how she is an

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ally to many people lgbt and she is very kind and helping

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mothers give them a respect when she would play basketball

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with the children that was needed at halo

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the other point about bowling what i like to mention though too

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is that um sometimes people bully because people have to

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have someone that's a different partner it's a different skin color

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years ago when i had a friend i was seeing

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we went down to one fast food restaurant there when i lived in konosha

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and i i had a great time with parents went there but

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when we went there everyone and it was like guess who's coming to dinner

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2017 style and at one point even the magic came up and

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spoke and said all you guys are supposed to be this

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and you you are older than one one and you knew

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the you know her parents and he was very disappointed

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and even my friend was he said well let's go

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so basically that's another that's a former bowling that also can happen

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sometimes does happen third former boys when i was taking the

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boss um about 10 days ago i was on the bus and

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it was a hot day i was a little bit disheveled and some said well is that

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really a woman and there's three guys in the back they tried to

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go after to try to mitigate this one person got off even the bus driver asked

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me to get off saying thought be better safer but i don't want to get off

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because i needed their condition and also the neighborhood

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bus was getting off on um i've been bullied and abused since

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childhood because when i went to elementary school i used to have to

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carry an instagram cold act instagram at a camera because i

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spoke so much that i'd have to take pictures of the

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bowling they had to go through the school a photobook to find out who the

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boys were and sometimes they didn't even use the older

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brothers and sisters to play me so when i'm trying to say it's

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basically um we still need to work on bowling

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medical questions my core questions and even a youtube video like um

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there's a huge call from we just call it says boys will be boys will be boys

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girls will be girls so that should not be tolerated

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and and even to form your school video so if someone does that go get an

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attorney you know go after the school um and the rest of the comments are in

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the transcript thank you

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the next speaker is oscar selynis 521 6th street

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afternoon members of the council um i want to come and talk a little bit about

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public safety and uh a couple things to happen this

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week and i'm a little bit hurt um

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i don't write speeches i don't i don't do that but we have to remember and i'm

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just saying this because of everything that's been going on i'm not

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publicly talking about one issue but when we make our vote when we talk about

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what we do we have to remember those who serve this

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community and the ones that are affected by some of the

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decisions that are made and the reason i say that is because

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this week we lost a hero we lost an officer

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that worked in this community

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and yes it was during training yes it was through two medical issues

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but we lost somebody so i want to take a few minutes to talk about him

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and the service that our officers get daily

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and how we should do everything in our best honor to say thank you

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and to respect them and to vote for our community

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and not on what means to me vote for integrity vote for our community

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with that being said i'm probably not going to make through it through the

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next part of this but i'm going to say this

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the true hero racy and attribute to canine asmin

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a steadfast procedure a gentle partner

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and a beloved guardian of the racing community

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the servants fade the sheds learn across the quiet streets of racing

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a sudden chill upon the air a silent duty waiting there

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but where the darkness pathways bend steps out the handler and the friend

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not just a badge not just a stride while quality

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inside you walk the beat with steady paw

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a living shield of bond in law to trace the loss to face the boat

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with heart of fire and code of gold you gave your prime you gave your best

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and led each heavy night to rest how many times the cold winds blue

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you comfort lived in following you a neighborhood could sleep

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secure because of you and your watch over us

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to walk beside a hero shred to feel no fear

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we're danger led this was the gift you left behind

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the trusted friend

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the next speaker is run piercing forty seven twenty bird av

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yes good evening all uh i'm here to discuss about the

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problem that we're having where i live at uh forty seven twenty bird avenue

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that's uh mean managed uh a little incorrectly

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uh it's owned by wisconsin housing preservation corporation

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who supposedly is a prominent leader in affordable housing

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in the state of wisconsin they claim to have six hundred and ninety million

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dollars worth of assets and yet in the last uh

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months we've had two elevator breakdowns

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uh in the building uh unfortunately it is not an Otis elevator it's a

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northwestern elevator and they are out of business

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except for a man that's up in richfield that runs the company from there

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so they elected to employ comb to repair the elevator

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and the question is how long will that be

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because uh like many of us who live on the third floor it's kind of a

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difficult situation if you're dealing with handicapped people in a building

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of 90 units so expectations as far as i can see

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are very temporary and i feel that maybe hud would be investigating this a

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little bit more and maybe they should be losing their hud

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affiliation if they can't square up what's the problem

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i mean if you have six hundred and ninety million dollars in asset size

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please you know don't insult our intelligence by saying it can't be

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done sooner or going to another vendor because they did not go to northwestern

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elevator where he could have gotten the parts or they could have gotten the

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parts earlier uh the problem still continues i think

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because it's a temporary fix and that'll be the third time

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in probably a month and a half where we have to climb the stairs

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uh my suggestion is that we get somebody there to be

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of some help to navigate the steps like a bellman or bellhop

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but management hasn't come forth on that

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nor has the owner owners be wisconsin housing preservation corporation

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and uh it's kind of dismained to me because as a professional

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realtor i can't see where ethics here is being

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you know applied um and i think hud should get a little bit

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better involved in this as well as the city we're seeing for follow-up

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it needs follow-up because uh the building you know half of the building

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is handicapped and we've gone to three

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people as far as the uh management righty joseph

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alexander company and meridian and i claim

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nedulans on all of it thank you for your listening

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the next speaker is angelina cruz 720 south marcatch street

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hi everyone good evening mayor mason members of the council

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my name is angelina cruz and i represent assembly district 62 here in racene

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but before i was your state representative i was a granddaughter of

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migrant workers my grandparents came to racene in the

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1950s to find factory work in the shadow of what our

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government called operation wetback a federal campaign that rounded up

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into ported people who look like them whose papers were questioned

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whose belonging in this country was treated as conditional

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they built a life here anyway they worked they raised a family

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they planted roots that eventually grew into me

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standing in front of you tonight as the first Hispanic elected official to

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represent racene at the state level i carry that history with me and i

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carry it tonight because i'm watching it happen

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again as a state rep what i'm hearing from the people of this district is

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that families are afraid of a knock on the door

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a routine drive to work dropping off a child at school

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real or perceived fear that keeps a mother from

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calling 911 or a witness from talking to police

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or a family from a doctor's appointment that makes us all

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less safe not just the immigrant community all of us

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this isn't only a racene story or 2026 story it's the same story that's played

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out again and again in this country different decades

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different targeted communities the same tactic

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make people feel like they don't belong so they stay silent

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and disconnected from the institutions meant to serve them

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my grandparents lived that story in the 50s

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families in this city are living a version of that right now

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as their state representative my job isn't to wait quietly

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it's to stand in front of the people that i represent and say plainly i see

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you and i stand with you that's why i'm here tonight in support

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of the ice ordinance it does not stop federal agents

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from doing their jobs under lawful warrants or court orders

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what it does is say racene's own resources are parking lots and garages

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our parks our officers time will not be used to subsidize civil

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immigration enforcement beyond what the law requires

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i didn't arrive at this position alone at the state level i've co-sponsored

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the keep families together bill package which contains these same protections

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ending secret unidentifiable policing keeping local jails out of federal

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civil immigration detention and keeping our schools

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churches and hospitals safe places rather than staging grounds for

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enforcement what's in front of you tonight is racene's

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chance to enact those same protections locally for the people who live here

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in the 50s my family found a home in the city despite a federal government that

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told them that they did not belong tonight i'm asking you to tell the

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families of brusine clearly and unequivocally

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that they do i urge you to pass this ordinance and i think you very much

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for your time this evening

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next speaker is hosea palacios at two thousand kirni have

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good evening everyone yes i am hosea palacios uh two thousand kirni avenue

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also here as a former lulak wisconsin state

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director um on behalf of lulak as well as the latino community i

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wanted to present that we are not or alone in how we feel

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about the actions of ice and the new york city bar association views with

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alarm the u.s. immigration and customs enforcement

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customs enforcement officers new practice the wearing of masks and otherwise

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obscuring their identities when conducting

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detentions and arrests this abrupt change comes at a time when these

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government agents actions are the subject of widespread scrutiny

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numerous legal challenges in a public eye crowd outcry for

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from individuals and organizations including the city

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vehemently opposing unlawful detentions and emphasizing the need

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for due process of law for detainees in this light the decision to begin

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concealing the faces of law enforcement agents who are carrying out

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arrests and detentions appear to be an effort to evade

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accountability and to decrease transparency in response

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to increasing allegations of government overreach

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abuse of power and violation of constitutional rights

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the use of masks is one among a collection of legal issues presented by

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the administration's recent actions against immigrants and visitors

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and even some citizens but a significant one that can and should be

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immediately addressed and remedied

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i've met a numerous number of people who have

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have family members who remember their grandparents their great-grandparents

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who were immigrants that came to the u.s. became citizens

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and had lived with fear at the beginning because

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of not being accepted in this country and now it's being renewed to hear the

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current stories of people in the community who are

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reliving this this type of emotion that used to be

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existent in the past and now exists in our present time

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is said i ask that you support this ordinance

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thank you

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the next speaker is erin etch at eight fourteen russet street

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thank you for the time my name's erin eich i'm here to speak about the

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immigration enforcement proposal excuse me and

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we'd just like to make a few points so i've been a teacher for 21 years

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an advisor for youth-empowered in the struggle for about 18

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years and a member of the statewide board for vosas de la franterra for

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the last six years so i kind of have been watching this

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kind of work go on all over the country different cities kind of handling the

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situation differently some trying to be progressive

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some trying to be more conservative or regressive

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and so i'm here as a leader in the community to say thank you

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just for putting it up there this is good work

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this is important work and this means a lot to a lot of people

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and so as a teacher you know we have a lot of data

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but one of the pieces of data i'd like to kind of just anecdotally talk about

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is the idea of a student with hope

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with hope so students with hope do better period

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students with hope do better and that's not just students it's

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humans with hope do better and and that's important for building

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community and when you all as people with power

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and leaders in this community build infrastructure to say

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you can have hope here you can have hope in racine

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no matter where you are from you can come here and have hope that we're

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going to stand with you and so we're changing people's lives just by

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putting this up there and so i know for a fact that there'll be

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students who know about this and it's going to change their life

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immediately just thinking that i'm living in a town where i feel supported

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and so a lot of immigrants are are reaching for that all over the

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country so uh that hope is a first step

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and you know as i said i'm a member of vosas de la frantera as well as youth

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empowered and struggle and i think that like i just want to say i look forward

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to working with all of you since you know your alders but leaders

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as well and the room is filled with leaders uh tambien and it's like it's

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time to build community just like you are doing

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that leads to power and that leads to wealth building and and so our

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children can kind of look to the future and think this is going to be okay

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and really we're losing a lot of our children we really are

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there i mean i talk to them every year every semester

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about what is your what are your hopes and what are your fears and it is

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stark it really is and so thank you for uh getting to this work and i urge you

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to pass uh the proposal this evening thank you

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the next speaker is maria moronk at 1019 crab tree lane

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good evening my name is maria moronic i am a member of the russian interfaith

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coalition immigration task force uh risk rick has 27 face faith

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organizations in the community and we're focused on justice issues

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and one of the issues that we are very concerned about

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is what ice has done to this country to to the state and to our community

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i don't know if any of you caught the news this morning

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um but new mexico had ice come in helping to build the wall

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and in order to build the wall they had a drill

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wells without going to the community without following the regulations that

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you're supposed to follow when you um dig a well despite the fact

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that new mexico is suffering an extreme drought

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they just built their wells and took the water out and did whatever they

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please as i excuse me as ice has been doing

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in communities across this country they stopped drilling temporarily anyway

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at this point because there was such public outcry

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about how they were mismanaging the important natural resource of water

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that the community needed that the farmers needed in order to survive

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this is what ice does it just goes in and does whatever it

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darn well wants and only if the community

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raises up and objects as they did in this

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instance do things change i am so grateful to mayor mason

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and the city council here for initiating this immigration resolution

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i have friends who are immigrants who are scared to death

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to walk down the street every time they see a police car

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every time they see a sheriff's car they're afraid

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and it is not making us healthier and safer in this community

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so i just wanted to say thank you so much i hope you pass this resolution

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and i am grateful to all of you thank you

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the next speaker is janet serrano at 1820 Jerome boulevard

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good evening everyone my name is janet serrano and thank you for the

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opportunity to speak tonight i spent 15 years in the immigrant's

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rights movement i started organizing as a teenager while attending

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washington park high school as a yes student and i saw first handout

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immigrant policy immigration policies impacted families

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and friends in my community since then i've had the privilege of working alongside

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immigrant families students workers and community leaders across

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wisconsin to advocate for policies that recognize their humanity and protect

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their dignity for me this ordinance isn't about it's

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more about it's more than immigration it is about it

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it is about it the kind of racy city racy chooses to be sorry guys i'm a little

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nervous it's about creating a community where every person can live with dignity

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contribute without fear and know how they and know that they belong

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racyan has always been a city shaped by immigrants today nearly one in four

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residents in the city of racyan identify as

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latino and thousands of our neighbors are born in other places

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with the majority coming from light and america their entrepreneurs factory

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workers teachers help teachers health care workers parents and taxpayers

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who helps to strengthen our local economy

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immigrants helped shape racyan and every every single day and they deserve to

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be treated with the respect and humanity that every person

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deserves i support this ordinance because it reflects

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reflects values that i believe racyan should stand for

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compassion fairness and inclusion it is important

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it is an important step forward ensuring that our city

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prioritizes its residents and creates an environment where immigrant

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families feel welcomed and valued and creates an environment where immigrant

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families feel sorry but i also want to be clear

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that this cannot be the finish line this is only the beginning

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racyan has the opportunity to continue leading with courage by adopting

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policies that truly protect immigrant families

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and ensure that everyone regardless of where they were born

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can fully participate in our community and i hope the council sees this ordinance

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not as the end of the conversation but as the start of a stronger commitment

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to who to who all call racyan home and i respectfully ask that you vote yes

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thank you the next speaker i apologize i can't read

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the last name but the first name is gary the last name it looks like

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starts with an end if you could please state your address

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thank you you're up gary

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i'm basically gonna say the same thing that someone else in my

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building was um talking about and a little bit more

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in that the elevator usually with some exception at times doesn't affect me

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directly i care about people that it does uh

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uh of fact then and i'm trying to keep track of

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how many times uh meridian um not doing their job or the job

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good enough because there's a lot of uh issues um

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regarding um meridian i i know meridian from a long time ago i

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had another apartment building when i first came

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to what was seen in in some ways they improved and since

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done but in a ways it got worse so i think um

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opie man or i'm already in should be looked at real closely

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because they say you know some people think um that they don't want to spend

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money on things and they they have a community

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close it could be a number of reasons why but it might be

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partway so people can't how to talk to each other regarding the

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elevator business and um and if money is the

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issue about the elevator and other things they when they close the

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community room they left the

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air-conditioner on for the community room and also what

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food in there that was donated by uh in in

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agencies so they're they're not real what responsible

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and when they fix my when they installed a different smoke detector

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by me i i know for a fact that making sky didn't try it to see that it

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walks i had to do that and it does walk because

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he forgot to turn to the breaker pack on that he had a

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shed off to um to win uh install it that's

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how dependable they are or at least this maintenance guy is

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nicer than the last previous um to but um i don't know

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maybe he asked the depressor to do um a lot of stuff because they don't have

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uh uh enough help i don't know or maybe he

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thinks that it's too you know too too much from him but

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that's basically what i got to say

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the next speaker is Colin McKenna 724 Crabtree Lane

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Good evening i'm a member of Racine Interface Coalition

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and many immigrants live in Racine and many immigrants are working hard to

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get their visa in green card at the is for them it's a long process

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to get their visa in green card so i urge you to welcome them to the city

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of Racine and i urge you to protect them from ice

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because ice is doing terrible thing they drag them out of their vehicle

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they break their windows and they need they have rights like we do

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so i urge you to protect them and do justice and do the right justice

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tonight and vote for this ordinance disintegration

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ordinance thank you

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the next speaker is Dixit Patel at 6536 Biscan Ahab

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Good evening everyone my name is Dixit Patel

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thank you for allowing me to uh opportunity to address the council we uh

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are requesting this license because we believe our business will bring the

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positive addition to the community we are committed to

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operating responsibility and following all city

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requirements

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it's important to stress uh our year in the business at christianos we are

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committed to the neighborhood in the board location will be

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benefit to all of course we are going to have a

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ebt we have made a large investment processing the

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building ventillary avenue which is to last to put print for a grocery store

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only i would like to be a distancing in the neighborhood

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advise them to amount you spend or we spend in the

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residence as stakeholder in the community the geographical

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contiguous neighborhood is a four to six block and uh

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our location is ordered the member of the neighborhood can walk to ride

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a bike to end stop uh in the car we experience in the grocery

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00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,880
but we are capable to serve the earlier items ready to eat food

479
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,720
and support the local neighborhood with the food item that will benefit

480
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,400
and enhance their lives this could be fresh produce

481
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,280
meat and ethnic food like italian and mexicans

482
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,200
or any item they might request the desire is

483
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,120
to offer multiple profit center like ready to eat food

484
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,480
and ability to have social area to serve coffee food and bakery

485
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,120
this area will be bright and inviting to member of the community

486
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,840
a design area for people to have formal meeting meet in a small group

487
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,160
socialize and being the grocery store we not have

488
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:33,760
at the stigma of a dark order bar that promotes ours in the location and heavy

489
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,160
concern some of alcohol there was a committee meeting where

490
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760
opposed gravity on to end uh earlier request to change the

491
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,320
zoning which projected to sell open a class

492
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,840
class a liquor store liquor license that was watered down as uh

493
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,880
specifically not a part of the current application

494
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,720
the current application is for class billizer which is by

495
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,760
definition is the chapter 125 statue

496
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,680
statue is part of permiss uh consumption by the uh

497
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,920
by the class of alcohol boundaries this proposal is for people to use their

498
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,080
local grocery store as a place to purchase food and

499
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,120
be taken home and the person is ready to eat food

500
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,680
and a balance the class billizer is to have another profit center and offer

501
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,360
good to the community to promote other item in a grocery store

502
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,960
the next speaker is fidel hernandas 939

503
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,600
wilson have

504
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
okay

505
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,000
she's going to speak english and he's going to sign

506
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:29,520
my name is maria ernandes

507
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:39,120
yes and he's he's my son fidel hernandes

508
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:50,320
talk say something talk talk yes i'll repeat it

509
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:58,000
you may you may be there

510
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:06,880
ernandes are you want what you want to say thank you

511
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,400
thank you for help us

512
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:20,640
sorry he's got trouble to understand

513
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,280
fester he made interpretation for silent

514
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,960
but he's good boy he's good boy he worked for amazon

515
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,280
he tried for me he went to a schooled delivan

516
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Wisconsin and he gave his drug license

517
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,960
and he's diploma for silent he's so smart

518
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,520
thank you very much

519
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,480
the next speaker is diana valencia at 39 19

520
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,120
ruby ab

521
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720
thank you um

522
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,040
hi so i do repeat again right so thank you i'm diana valencia 39 19

523
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,000
ruby avenue i like to thank mia mason and all of y'all

524
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,560
and the many leaders um who have the courage to

525
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,600
introduction and move this uh ordinance forward

526
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:31,040
um i was born and raised in racy in wisconsin and i'm

527
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,240
sure you've heard this many times um we've been here before

528
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:42,720
as people have been saying um well 250 years

529
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,040
to be exact um and each generation continued

530
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,080
work for peace and that peace is ongoing so um

531
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,560
it's our generation now and uh

532
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,080
i too couldn't just wait and see um what might happen

533
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,600
so um the city is a home to rich and diverse population

534
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,400
whose residents regardless of natural origin and language contribute

535
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,360
to the city's economic strength culture vibrance and civic life

536
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,360
and immigrants and their families build and sustain the city's

537
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,000
economy schools and the neighborhoods making essential contributions to

538
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,400
businesses public service and community life

539
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,920
i like to say myself and the common council and and all of y'all have worked

540
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,440
so hard to keep our city safe and um today i just want to say thank you for

541
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,240
bringing this forward and and hope that uh you continue to move this forward by

542
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:55,200
saying yes well um and i'm here as uh representative

543
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,320
of lulek the league of united latin american citizens

544
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,920
and um i represent the state uh as uh deputy state director

545
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,080
um so the hard work that you've done is not just for the Hispanic people

546
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,840
but for all immigrants so thank you

547
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:22,560
the next speaker is shava dalenia jackson at 23 17 21st street

548
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,680
good evening all my name is shavondal and jackson and i am here to support

549
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,360
danny patel for his application for a class B license

550
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,640
danny has already demonstrated that he is a responsible local business owner

551
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,720
through christianos supermarket who i have the pleasure to visit when i forget

552
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:49,440
ingredients uh for my dinner um he cares about his

553
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,520
customers he maintains a clean and well managed business

554
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,240
and has been a positive part of our community

555
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,320
this new project will bring new investments to the taylor avenue area

556
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,960
create local jobs um and give residents another place to shop

557
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,360
eat and gather instead of leaving a vacant property unused danny is

558
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,240
investing in improving it and making it an asset for the neighborhood

559
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,000
i believe he understands the responsibility that comes

560
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,720
with um maintaining or obtaining a a class B license

561
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:29,360
um i also know that um he'll maintain security use

562
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:34,000
surveillance cameras um keeping the property clean and working with the

563
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
neighborhood to address any concerns or issues

564
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,200
um i respectfully ask the council to support his application

565
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,280
because i believe he will operate his business professionally and responsibly

566
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,040
um thank you for your time this evening

567
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,960
the next speaker is diane lang at 2908 Ruby Ave

568
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,880
good evening again um i come before you tonight

569
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,720
in favor of the immigration ordinance proposed you

570
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,840
proposal that you'll be voting on but tonight i wear a shirt from my

571
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,320
faith community that says meeting the moment

572
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:22,400
on the back it says courage is a muscle many people coming up here tonight

573
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,800
have exercised courage just to come before you

574
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,520
and that's so wonderful my faith believes in the inherent

575
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,760
worth and dignity of every person and we believe in justice

576
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:45,200
equity and compassion in human relations i am tonight standing as a member of

577
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
vosas de la franterra a member of the raseen

578
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:56,160
interfaith coalition the NAACP and i could go on because i have been an

579
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,360
activist in this community since the early

580
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,560
mid-70s

581
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,840
i know i look so young it's hard to believe that i've been here

582
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,840
um so this past monday we heard comments

583
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,720
from the before the executive committee for over an hour by people

584
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,960
who only shared their support for this proposal

585
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,440
they shared their concerns and fears of living in

586
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:32,000
under the cruel policies of the current federal administration

587
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,640
and the immigration and customs enforcement officers

588
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,560
i share particularly deep concerns about the current cruel policies that our

589
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,280
federal government is enacting not just at immigrants

590
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,320
but also based on religious beliefs if they're lgbtq

591
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,160
if they are temporary protected status citizens from hate

592
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,760
Haiti or afghanis who may have worked to support our military at one point

593
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,120
but now they're disposable and they can be deported

594
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:14,960
i share particularly deep concerns about the dragnet that ice is continuing to

595
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,440
expand at at some point people who are even

596
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,400
protesting might be now declared domestic terrorist

597
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,120
right so i have six grandchildren and i hope that i'm not

598
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,560
ending my life in the prison but it's possible because we have to stand up

599
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,400
for the moment i support this ordinance for a variety of

600
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,800
reasons i've already been mentioned so i'm not going to go through it again

601
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,840
but increase racial profiling increase deportation

602
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,160
eroding public trust and public safety

603
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,960
and and undermining the economy of our local

604
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,280
city

605
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,280
the next speaker is Nate Ortiz 32 18

606
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Northwestern

607
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,680
hello and thank you for the opportunity tonight thank you to

608
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Mayor Mason and collaborators for putting together the ordinance against

609
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,200
ice and immigration enforcement here in in Racine

610
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,800
i'm here as a teacher here in Racine a teacher who's caught taught students

611
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,360
all the way from kindergarten through 12th grade

612
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:44,000
and i hear the concerns that they have as evidenced no more by the protests

613
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,920
and other demonstrations that our usd students put on last school year

614
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,000
at the end of the day students are at the center of all the things that we do

615
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,280
as teachers in the classroom and outside of the classroom

616
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:06,640
the bottom line is that no student should feel unsafe here in Racine

617
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,960
no student should have to wonder whether their parent will still be at home when

618
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,880
they get home which is why i'm in support

619
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,680
of these ordinances and i encourage you to vote yes thank you

620
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:36,080
the next speaker is Andrew Arena 1110 MLK Drive in Milwaukee

621
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,680
thank you mr mayor and honorable members of the council i'm here to speak with

622
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,680
to you regarding the application of Dixit Patel

623
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,760
for 1950 Taylor Avenue for a class b liquor license

624
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,520
there is a recommendation tonight before you from the committee

625
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,640
which was the result of three votes i believe there's 15 of you

626
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,880
and i'm going to ask you to look at what was proposed

627
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:17,600
what is proposed and determine if it's reasonable to

628
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,880
override the committee's recommendation and i believe that that is in fact

629
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840
should be overridden

630
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,920
submitted today by mr Patel was a petition with 79 signatures of people

631
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,360
in support i think it's interesting that i'm here

632
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,600
tonight and you're speaking about your ice ordinance

633
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:48,560
and there's great support for it here and i find it interesting because

634
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,360
i'm an attorney i'm an economist i have a master's degree

635
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,880
in economics all from the University of Wisconsin

636
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,160
and i have a degree in entrepreneurship and as an economist i'm a free market

637
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:06,400
person i believe in competition and i believe in

638
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,520
everybody's desire to come here to america

639
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,200
for opportunity and i support opportunity

640
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,720
now a couple of things that occurred at that meeting

641
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,320
was there was a large number of detractors

642
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,240
who were actually mostly indian people who have liquor stores

643
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:33,600
tavern gas stations that sell beer

644
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,760
and they're in the business and claiming

645
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,600
there's too much liquor available in this area

646
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,760
well that's clearly a desire they're trying to wipe out competition

647
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,280
i find that to be abhorrent and unamerican

648
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,560
we were founded on the idea of a free economy

649
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:58,160
and we have rules against that the other thing and i think what

650
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,520
persuaded the committee was there is a rehab center

651
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:12,320
by rosene and the statement was i believe from alderman kelly that

652
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,640
they should not have liquor or be have liquor available

653
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,920
but if that turns on that it doesn't make sense

654
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,000
somebody's not going to walk past five other liquor outlets

655
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,680
to go to danny's grocery store

656
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,680
i mean you have my wife's my girl michael and joey's

657
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,000
brusse's tap tommy's risa's event planning

658
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,080
so why are we going to let that control and i don't think that the county of

659
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640
rosene

660
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:53,840
the next speaker is briana shah at two zero zero seven stone bridge drive

661
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:05,280
hi my name is briana shah and i am here to support

662
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,560
dixie pattel's application for class b license

663
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,640
for danny's grocery i have known danny over the decade

664
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,080
his successfully managed his christian or supermarket

665
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,320
very hardworking and honest business owner who has given his sweat and blur

666
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,400
to run this business after harvard store shut down

667
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:31,520
this property has been wacken for years he has by this property with a huge

668
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,640
plan of turning into grocery store and daily

669
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,760
this business will bring healthy competition and new job opportunities

670
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,360
for the competition healthy competition is good for

671
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,040
both business and consumer this property is

672
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,600
used to be only grocery store any business is good till it's making

673
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,040
profit and granting class b license will give him

674
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,280
opportunity to this make this business success

675
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,080
this area does not have a true competition

676
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,600
all grocery stores are owned by one single family

677
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:11,120
and there is only one daily after uh public committee denied the

678
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,840
application uh almost 78 uh people from the

679
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,440
community came together only in one day

680
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,600
and signed a petition he's going to do great i have seen him working so hard

681
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,880
so thank you for your time

682
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:42,000
the next speaker is hose charo at 5900 wildwood drive

683
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:52,880
hello everybody thank you mr mayor and the council for

684
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,480
all hoping hopefully passes immigration

685
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
i'm speaking i said this once before in konosha

686
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,200
for the for the ksd the kids whenever younger

687
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000
we went school they were not afraid to go home

688
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,160
they're not afraid to go to school they knew that parents were going to be there

689
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,600
they knew they could get home safe today

690
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,560
they're scared they don't want to go to school

691
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,760
they don't want to go in there they want to sit home but their parents

692
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,000
why should they be afraid to go to school and why should they be afraid to come home

693
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,680
and the parents are missing they shouldn't feel that way

694
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,720
really feel that way did we when you go to school no

695
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,440
so why should they

696
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,880
i mean it's

697
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,920
the immigration thing has to stop we had to protect the kids

698
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,360
all races all every school families have to stay together

699
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,480
they shouldn't be separated

700
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,480
and yes i am with lulak called so 320 receive konosha

701
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,320
and i am the president thank you

702
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:10,000
the next speaker is amy wellness at 91 30 83rd street

703
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:22,240
hi um i am amy wellness i have been a rosina unified educator for 13 years

704
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:28,160
um i am here as an esl teacher i work with multilingual children in the

705
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,080
district meaning that they have families that have

706
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,000
immigrated more recently than i have and they're

707
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,320
they have family members that they love and care about that are impacted by

708
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:47,200
immigration today um my children have been afraid

709
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,560
for several years now because of what's going on in the world

710
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,640
um they even see people in the school building with that

711
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,400
look official maybe have suits on and they're worried that they're ice

712
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,280
and they're brought to me by an administrator crying

713
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,240
they tell me their parents have told them they need to carry their paperwork

714
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,480
with them and they have their paperwork with them at all times

715
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:16,640
um it is incredibly hard for me because one of the best parts of my job

716
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:22,880
is my students and their families um they are why i love my job as much as i

717
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,960
do um whenever they're in need whenever i contact home they are so supportive

718
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,880
they are so caring get a lot of free tamales

719
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,400
um they are some of the most

720
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,160
wonderful giving people that i have ever met

721
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,600
and i keep my students for many years i don't just teach them for a year and

722
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,200
send them on their way i keep them and so i tell them once

723
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,280
you are with me you are mine forever you may grow you may leave you may go to

724
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,120
another school you may become an adult but you will always be a part of me

725
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:05,520
and to see them afraid to go home to worry about their families it is a

726
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,200
worry that i carry it with me as well um at school i am their safe person

727
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:18,000
and i want racene to be a safe place for them i want racene to be a community

728
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,640
where they feel safe and i cannot even begin to tell you how much this would

729
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,640
mean to them to know if you pass this ordinance how much

730
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,840
safer they would feel um so i really ask you to consider

731
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
passing this ordinance because it would have significant impact on our

732
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,360
children and everyone not just our immigrant families but

733
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,760
everyone because they add so much to our community

734
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,600
and they bring so much joy to our world so thank you

735
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:55,760
the last speaker is aj zizic at 2402 south lennick street

736
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,720
good evening everyone my name is aj zizic i'm a veteran racene teacher of 21

737
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,600
years and i currently serve as the president of racene educators united

738
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,480
and i'm here speaking as an individual in favor of the immigration ordinance

739
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,480
i believe that how a city treats his most vulnerable and needy says a lot about

740
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,000
his character if we as a city want to show that we are

741
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,720
compassionate and caring then there is no better way

742
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,840
than standing up to an unlawful agency of masked thugs who invade communities

743
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,360
and tear apart families imagine as a student trying to do your best in a

744
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,040
classroom while shouldering the uncertainty that you and your family

745
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,960
and loved ones could be unjustly separated at any time

746
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,560
imagine as a teacher trying to do your best at your job

747
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,000
not knowing whether or not a student would one day just disappear from your

748
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,240
class roster families and businesses thrive in

749
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,000
communities where they know that they are safe

750
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,040
and cared for and that's what this ordinance does

751
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,480
racene needs to be on the right side of history

752
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,000
the legacy of this city and this body depend on making the right choice

753
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,480
and the right choice is to pass this ordinance thank you

754
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,880
this concludes the public comment segment

755
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,080
thank you everyone who came to offer comment just procedurally in terms of

756
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,800
people wondering well we'll have a next we have a series of items that we have

757
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,240
to refer to standing committees then the first item will take action on

758
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,720
tonight will be the the issue that was discussed

759
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,880
around the immigration policy but before us first is referrals to

760
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,360
committees we will start with the first item

761
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,160
alder jorgensen could you please read the first item for referral

762
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,880
yes the first item is 0687-26 communication

763
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,160
sponsored by aldermen whitener for referral to public works and services

764
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,040
committee discussion of implementation of removal of

765
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,680
existing parking meters installation of new signage

766
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,080
and placement of signage and kiosks there's a staff recommendation

767
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,360
due to the significant fiscal implications associated with the removal

768
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,920
of all parking meters including the loss of revenue and potential

769
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,440
budget impacts this communication should be referred to the finance and

770
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,520
personnel committee i did have a chance to talk with alder whitener

771
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,280
and she made it very clear that her item is about the implementation

772
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,880
of the new parking meters and how that transition works

773
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,560
not related to the removal of all parking meters

774
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,440
and so i've talked with the director of finance and

775
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,560
she's comfortable that she won't be at the public works meeting but as long as

776
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,280
it's related to the actual implementation of the new

777
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
metering strategy everyone is comfortable i am as

778
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,160
well of moving to refer it to the public works and

779
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,120
services committee there's a motion and a second to

780
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,360
refer this item to public works um alder whitener would like to speak to

781
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,360
the motion thank you i'd like to speak to the

782
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,280
motion to send this to public works um the reason it's not appropriate to go to

783
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,160
finance it was it just at finance last monday and we

784
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,480
discussed the financial implications of the contract related to this

785
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,800
there has been no public outreach with the businesses in the downtown area

786
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,200
six street uh uptown about how it's going to work

787
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,360
once those uh parking meters are removed i was

788
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,280
saddened that there has not been more of initiative we do have

789
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,600
a director of communications we do have a very robust public works

790
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:27,200
that in the past would have involved those most involved with

791
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,360
the consequence for the changes regarding the parking meters being

792
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,640
removed and a new implementation of both the

793
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,080
app and texting and kiosks uh businesses need to know

794
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,680
so they can assure their customers it's going to be able to

795
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,080
park their vehicles so we need to have public outreach

796
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,120
and that was my hope in this communication that we could have that

797
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,480
discussion at public works and direct the department

798
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,440
to make some effort in the business districts um

799
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,200
to let businesses and individuals know how this change is going to affect them

800
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,920
it's been a motion in a second to refer this item to public works

801
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,840
all those in favor please say aye opposed that motion carries

802
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,960
we'll then move on to referrals to finance and personnel

803
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,320
mary land or i'm sorry altar land would you like to make a motion

804
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,080
regarding referrals to finance and personnel yes i would like to move to

805
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,600
following items to finance and personnel

806
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,160
zero six eight eight dash two six communication requesting the city

807
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,640
attorney present proposed settlement in the case of adam laki versus city

808
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,720
of racene item zero six eight nine dash two six

809
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,040
communication to approve a resolution authorizing the

810
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,800
issuance and establishing the parameters for the sale up to

811
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,640
22 million seven hundred thousand of twenty twenty six

812
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,440
general obligation promissory notes to be used for the paying

813
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,480
the cost of various capital improvement and acquisition products and vehicles

814
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,760
and equipment item zero six nine zero dash two six

815
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,360
communication requesting permission to enter into agreement

816
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,280
with tyler technologies for the upgrade and implementation

817
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:23,280
of our current erp financial software to include the utility billing module

818
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,360
excuse me item zero six nine one dash two six

819
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,440
communication to approve a resolution authorizing the issuance

820
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,520
and establishing the parameters of a sale up to fifteen million six hundred

821
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,200
ten thousand of twenty twenty six general obligation

822
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,120
refunding bonds to refund the general obligation

823
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,800
promissory notes for the purposes of paying the

824
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,400
construction cost of the mark dr martin wutherking

825
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,400
community center item zero six nine two dash two six

826
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,880
communication sponsored by alder land in order presenting a proposed

827
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,520
ordinance zero zero zero five dash two six

828
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:11,360
light nuisance item zero six nine seven dash two six

829
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,200
communication sponsored by the mayor to apply an accepted donation

830
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,680
up to five hundred thousand dollars from coal philanthropies

831
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,200
for the lkcc grant grant

832
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,320
item zero six nine nine dash two six

833
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,480
communication sponsored by mayor mason for review and approval

834
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,920
of the amended twenty twenty six operating plan

835
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:41,200
for bid district number one downtown

836
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,640
item zero seven zero zero dash two six

837
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,440
communications sponsored by mayor mason

838
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,960
presenting an interim parking modification lease

839
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,600
addendum between the city of racene and mcmin tower

840
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,880
um i'll take a second

841
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,800
there's a motion in a second from alder pebone all those in favor

842
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,720
referring these items to finance and personnel

843
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,360
please say aye aye opposed that motion carries we now move on

844
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,520
to public works and services alder

845
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,560
harman did you want to make a motion regarding these items

846
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,160
yes mayor thank you i would like to move to refer the

847
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,280
following items to public work services

848
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,440
item zero seven zero six seven zero dash two six

849
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,080
communication sponsored by myself submitting bid results for contract

850
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,920
twenty twenty six one nine five twenty twenty six

851
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,040
sidewalk replacement item zero six seven seven two six

852
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,200
communication sponsored by myself submitting final payment for contract

853
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,560
twenty twenty four zero six two twenty twenty four cctv sewer

854
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,680
inspection green bay pipe and tv llc contractors

855
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:58,560
item zero six seven nine dash two six communication sponsored by myself

856
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,200
requesting to rescind resolution zero one one seven dash two six

857
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:07,680
due to an error in change order number one under contract number twenty twenty

858
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,480
five one four five with cast check roofing ink for

859
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,000
multi-side roofing work

860
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,960
item zero six eight six dash two six communication sponsored by myself

861
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,560
requesting to approve final payment to cast check roofing ink under contract

862
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,960
number twenty twenty five one four five

863
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,120
for multi-site roofing work and to approve the penalty prescribed

864
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,240
by the racing works program ordinance

865
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:41,120
item zero six eight one dash two six communication sponsored by myself

866
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:46,400
requesting to rescind resolution zero one one four dash two six due to an error

867
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:51,600
and change order number four under contract twenty four one zero seven

868
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,200
with burgland construction company for tuck

869
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,160
pointing work item zero six eight two dash two six

870
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,400
communication sponsored by myself requesting approval a final payment to

871
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,800
burgland construction company for contract number twenty four one zero

872
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,920
seven for tuck piking work tuck pointing work and to approve the

873
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,000
penalty prescribed by the racing work program

874
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,560
ordinance

875
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,840
item zero six eight three dash two six communication sponsored by myself

876
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,920
submitting change order number two to contract twenty twenty five zero zero

877
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,640
five twenty twenty five sanitary sewer main cipp

878
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:42,880
linings visu sewer contract item zero six eight four dash two six

879
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,480
communication sponsored by myself submitting final payment of contract

880
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,960
twenty twenty five zero zero five twenty five sanitary

881
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:58,800
sewer main cipp line linings visual sewer contractor

882
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,160
communication sponsored by myself amending chapter

883
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,640
ninety four article two division two speed limits

884
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,360
more specific section ninety four dash five two

885
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,480
speed limits increased schedule a section one

886
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:21,280
we would like to edit the following item in section 130 miles per hour

887
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:26,160
from 12th street from east junction of washington avenue to west junction of

888
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,480
washington avenue to 12th street from east junction of

889
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:35,600
washington avenue to south memorial drive

890
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,400
item zero six eight six dash two six communication sponsored

891
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:45,360
by myself image real estate requesting permission for

892
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,920
revocable occupation permit for the property located at thirteen oh one

893
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,360
north wisconsin street

894
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,280
item zero six nine six two six communication sponsored by mere mason

895
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:04,880
authorizing the department of public works to close racing street

896
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,680
from karaan but the drive to washington avenue

897
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:15,120
on october first twenty twenty six from seven a.m. to five p.m. and on

898
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:22,240
october second of twenty twenty six from seven a.m. to five p.m.

899
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:27,360
for the twenty twenty six city of racing clean sweep number three

900
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:34,320
and submit a dual detour plan to wisconsin d.o.t. for approval

901
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,920
in a motion in a second refer these items to public works and services

902
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,640
all those in favor please say aye opposed that motion carries

903
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,880
we will now move on to item zero to insert the executive committee report

904
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,160
i assume there will be separate consideration on this item i will ask

905
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,440
president jorgensen to please read the item for separate consideration

906
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:57,600
yes there's been a request for um this item to be pulled for separate

907
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,680
consideration uh the recommendation of the executive

908
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,520
committee unanimously was to move to approve item

909
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,480
zero six six five dash two six communication sponsored by mare mason

910
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:14,080
all their wife's all their povon all their allen all their land all their

911
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,360
harmin all their pete all their demarc presenting proposed

912
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:23,680
ordnance zero zero zero four dash two six immigration enforcement

913
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,720
so motion to approve the item seconded by all their povon

914
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,200
all their drug insurance would you like to speak to your motion

915
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,480
you know i think a lot of the folks here have done uh

916
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,000
said it better than i could have myself other than i think everyone deserves

917
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,320
to feel safe in receipt we have a couple others in the queue

918
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,760
alder whiter thank you i used to have a question or two

919
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:50,320
questions really for the chief of police if he would avail himself

920
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:55,360
please take your question and the chief will approach the ds

921
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,040
thank you for being here chief i know you and i had a conversation about this

922
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,960
i have two questions the first one is the policies that are outlined in the

923
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,720
ordnance as presented tonight um have those policies

924
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,840
been in place for the city of ercyn

925
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,960
oh good evening council members mare um i can i can answer this at the

926
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,720
not as you consider this proposal i think it's important to keep the road

927
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,120
the um rasim police department in mind

928
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,720
the rasim police department and i think this will answer the question

929
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,360
is not a civil immigration enforcement agency

930
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,920
never has been and never will be civil immigration is the responsibility

931
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,240
of the federal government we the police department do not

932
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,600
engage in political matters of political debate

933
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,400
our mission is straightforward to investigate crime protect public

934
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,080
safety and serve let me emphasize this all residents of our

935
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,720
community no matter what your immigration status is

936
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,480
i do want to acknowledge that highly publicized federal immigration

937
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:08,080
enforcement operations can affect the community trust

938
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,240
and it has affected just listen to the individuals that are here tonight

939
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,200
listen to their stories

940
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,600
the rasim police department is a highly trained organization

941
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,320
we spend a lot of time in training and

942
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,840
treating to make sure that we treat our

943
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,440
individuals our community with dignity and respect

944
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:34,720
no matter who you are when people become afraid to interact with law

945
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,320
enforcement victim and witnesses may be less willing

946
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,720
to report crimes or cooperate with investigations

947
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:48,000
i can't have that we are about public safety

948
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,520
that makes it more difficult for us to do our job and ultimately affects

949
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,640
public safety historically the rasim police department has not

950
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,960
actively participated in civil civil immigration enforcement

951
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,000
and has never served as an enforcement department

952
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,120
in those operations never has our focus has always been

953
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,200
and continues to be keeping our community safe and build trust

954
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,600
with everyone who lives here i hope that answers the question

955
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:22,080
maybe not but i wanted to say that because it's important

956
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,000
and i want you to have that opportunity my second question is has there been

957
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:31,680
any interaction with any immigrants any residents any citizens

958
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,840
of the city ever seen with ice that you are aware of

959
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,760
there's only two instances of those uh incidents have come to mind and those

960
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,080
had to do with departmental homeland security

961
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:46,480
who aids in the criminal investigation arm of the federal government

962
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:49,920
so was that interaction between the police department and homeland

963
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,840
security or the individuals and the homeland security that you were

964
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,880
aware of the individuals with the homeland security not the rasim police

965
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,520
department okay thank you chief i do have a

966
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,640
question from the city attorney it's in regards to the

967
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,960
language in this ordinance please state your question

968
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,760
so in the ordinance talks about uh no masks i wonder if there was any

969
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:17,280
thought or discussion on requiring ice agents in the city ever seen to be

970
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:22,320
wearing uh cameras as our police department does as

971
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:29,040
our sheriff department does

972
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,200
um sorry

973
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,680
well that's not in the ordinance um as drafted to see uh

974
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:51,120
concern is requiring question of requiring a federal law enforcement

975
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:57,760
agency to take certain actions or to carry certain

976
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:04,640
equipment as opposed to the prohibition of any

977
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,960
law enforcement officer with some exceptions of wearing a mask

978
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,000
that the city could not require federal law enforcement

979
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,800
agencies to be equipped in any particular way

980
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:27,200
follow up so wasn't there a ruling that said that that

981
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:34,080
that federal agents cannot be banned from wearing masks

982
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,640
there is litigation on these issues that is ongoing

983
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:44,000
on just the mask issue or other issues as related to this ordinance

984
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,160
mask issue is the one that we've paid close attention to

985
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,600
but there are other areas that are being litigated in other

986
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,600
parts of the country thank you thank you

987
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:03,360
thank you mr mare so just to a point is that it doesn't matter

988
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,520
if an incident has or has not happened in the city we don't have to wait for

989
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,800
something to happen to take action on something

990
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:15,440
number two to the police chief's uh point here

991
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:19,920
that it has been the policy of the Racine Police Department not to engage

992
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,280
in these kind of activities it's probably also the policy of the Racine County

993
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Sheriff's Office until it isn't policy is not codification it is not law

994
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,960
protecting people that's two different things

995
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,840
whether or not this is at litigation at the federal level which

996
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,040
why would it not be when this came from the federal level

997
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,760
is irrelevant there was litigation when they were trying to integrate

998
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,520
schools there was an integral there was litigation

999
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,960
before president johnson signed the 1965 voting rights act as well

1000
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,400
people are always going to want to try to stop progress

1001
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,400
and for us as city officials people that live here

1002
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:03,600
we're not just inclined to protect people that have a legal status

1003
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,280
because people that don't have a legal status also are residents

1004
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,040
that pay taxes too that are involved in our community that are neighbors

1005
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:17,680
friends family members spouses so if this is a part of what we can do

1006
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,760
to help them better sleep at night or to help them say hey

1007
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,560
we don't have that many tools but we can do this

1008
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,680
then why not regardless of where it's at in a federal level of litigation

1009
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,480
regardless of how many incidents have happened

1010
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:39,280
and regardless of what the policy is at the time

1011
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,680
we determine policy we are the council

1012
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,360
we decide legislation we decide rules we decide laws and ordinances

1013
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:52,560
the same way we decide budget so i will not take

1014
01:17:52,560 --> 01:18:00,320
an answer of three-week responses that question this

1015
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:06,240
period i am in support of this because it's our job

1016
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,320
to help our citizens to help our residents and to make sure

1017
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,200
that we are doing what we can to make them feel safe in the same way

1018
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,160
i went to bat when the douglas bid wanted speed enforcement

1019
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,680
and the same way i've had numerous conversations with the chief

1020
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,800
about all sorts of things going on the same way i just went to night uh

1021
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,240
national night out last night for community

1022
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:35,280
that is our responsibility and that is our job i'm in support thank you

1023
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,920
alder allen

1024
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:49,760
alder allen you have before okay thank you and thank you office

1025
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,920
uh for chief coming for and answering those questions but i think that

1026
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:59,360
we have to look at what what could happen so to speak with what

1027
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,760
and to lie myself with what alder provone was stating

1028
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,840
uh in my walking the police there do not also do not have

1029
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:15,600
an official policy for working with ice however language matters

1030
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:21,920
and so their official policy allows for cooperation with ice in specific

1031
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,600
limited circumstances such as when a judicial warrant is presented or for

1032
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,080
violent felony cases gang involvement or terrorism threats

1033
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,000
that statement matters because we have seen

1034
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,960
the context of those statements weaponized by the federal government

1035
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,720
where they have falsely are chosen to identify

1036
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,640
a group of people or persons in one of those categories for the

1037
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:52,560
sheer purpose of being able to detain them we also know of

1038
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,360
cases where ice or people who claim to be ice

1039
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:02,560
are assaulting people on the streets

1040
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,200
my walking has an ice out measure where the common council has passed

1041
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,640
measures aimed at restricting local police from acting as an extension of

1042
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,200
ice including a 2026 ordinance to prohibit

1043
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:20,800
federal agents from wearing masks while operating on city property

1044
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,640
to speak to again with what all the provones stated

1045
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,560
we don't have to wait for something to happen we do have to position

1046
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,200
ourselves so that if and when more likely when

1047
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:39,440
we are able to pivot in a response that protects our community

1048
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:43,360
and we have to start looking at the community as a whole because

1049
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:49,840
all of us that do not present in a way that they would like us to

1050
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,680
present are in danger of being targeted

1051
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,760
and being detained even if we were to be returned

1052
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,960
to our families at some point we have that possibility just because

1053
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,320
and as we have seen the federal government take measures

1054
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,680
with birthright citizenship with the amendments to

1055
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:15,920
rollback citizenship with their intentional design on interrupting

1056
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,120
people on their journey to becoming citizens

1057
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,960
reversing their legal status etc etc all those things

1058
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,960
make us vulnerable and it is our responsibility to protect

1059
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,120
our community and if it makes some of us feel like we are

1060
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,520
better then think about you're protecting yourself as well

1061
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,720
and we have to fight against the false contacts and narratives that have been

1062
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:45,840
put out there in order to weaponize fear when there is no reason to fear

1063
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,760
people who are here just simply living

1064
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,760
thank you all the phrases joining us remotely and

1065
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,920
has raised his hand to participate in the conversation

1066
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,040
all the phrases you have the floor

1067
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:11,040
okay sorry we can hear you all right um so as

1068
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,520
though the only person on this council that serves in law enforcement

1069
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,440
um everything that i i do i try to view through the

1070
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:24,560
lens of uh public safety and i think the chief hit it hit hit the

1071
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,760
nail in the head um the distinction first is that

1072
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,120
ices a federal agency and their work is is on the

1073
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,560
federal level whereas the police department is local

1074
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,360
and he hit it on the head about public trust

1075
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,000
um victims have to feel comfortable reporting crimes and witnesses have to

1076
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,680
be willing to come forward and families must be

1077
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,240
confident when they call 9-1-1 um that they will be protected and that their

1078
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,280
needs will be addressed tonight we heard from i want to say

1079
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,240
21 people out of those 21 people 12 of those individuals who

1080
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:05,680
who spoke spoke in favor of this ordinance um i think that speaks to the

1081
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:16,160
seriousness of this um we we see we see what we see what's

1082
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,520
happening in other communities and to just

1083
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,360
add to the conversation with order allen and other pobon

1084
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,920
this is a proactive matter i would hate for us to be like some of those other

1085
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,680
communities namely in minnesota who have seen the

1086
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:37,440
results of ice uh in their communities um it's not it's not a good thing when

1087
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,000
you have a federal agency that's not connected to your

1088
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,400
community come in wreak havoc essentially and leave

1089
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,760
and then we're left as a municipality that's already

1090
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,960
struggling with funding uh our city to clean up the mess that they make

1091
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,200
uh so this is just this ordinance i i stand with it i agree with it

1092
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,520
as law enforcement as a black man i'm not a

1093
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,840
Hispanic so i really don't know uh all of the the fears that they have but i

1094
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,080
can em i can um i can understand what what they

1095
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,040
feel and so i think that this is this is good

1096
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,800
um and we need to to support this and get this

1097
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,960
going forward thanks thank you all your

1098
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:31,040
thank you mr mayor uh first of all i'd just like to say um i would like to

1099
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,040
also be a sponsor uh of this ordinance uh i'm

1100
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,280
speaking without objection we will add you as a

1101
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,160
co-sponsor to the atom thank you i also want to say that i'm

1102
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,600
speaking in behalf of the young people for the yes group i've been there

1103
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,080
several times over the last three years and i've seen some amazing young people

1104
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,640
and they have bright futures ahead of them and as leaders of uh this

1105
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:57,440
a city council and local government we set we set the standard for the city

1106
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:02,640
uh i too want to say that you know we want to make sure that racing is a

1107
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,840
safe place for all and not only a safe place for all but

1108
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:11,040
that people don't have to be fearful for and uh the public have spoken they've

1109
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,160
came out tonight i don't see this place rarely full

1110
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:19,040
except us uh just you know 15 of us and sometimes five or six out there in the

1111
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,400
audience but tonight is full because they are very

1112
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,200
very concerned about what's going to happen here so

1113
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,440
our two will be supporting this ordinance thank you

1114
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:35,600
on repeat thank you mr mayor i'd like to say again thank

1115
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,920
the people in the audience that came out give us input and let us know as a

1116
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,600
council how they feel so as we make our decisions

1117
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,200
and i want to remind everyone that we're

1118
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,040
sitting out a message of how we feel at the city level

1119
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,480
i think office appraiser as well as chief of police

1120
01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:00,480
said it very well uh if the after this is done or if this

1121
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:04,240
item passes then at least the people know that the

1122
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:08,560
received police department is not in cahoots with

1123
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,480
some other law enforcement agency while at the same time

1124
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:17,680
they will be following the law as we all will thank you

1125
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,880
order hermit

1126
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:30,800
thank you mayor um i spoke as um one of the sponsors of this

1127
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,120
ordinance this past monday during executive

1128
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,760
committee meeting and so that was where the bulk of my

1129
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:48,960
support regarding this bill was said and at that time i said how proud i was

1130
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,640
of my race scene residents and the people that i know

1131
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:58,320
who actually came out and spoke and i named people like diana and

1132
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:05,280
angelina cruz and diane lank and tami hayward and linda boil and

1133
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:12,320
mike frontier um but tonight i am proud of my

1134
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:18,160
alderman and all the women who are also supporting this

1135
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,560
and who are jumping on board of something that is good

1136
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:27,120
and all the pepon i'm really proud of all that you've said

1137
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:31,440
and i appreciate being able to work with you and those are your true

1138
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:36,720
true thoughts and i believe it and all the allen and all the horton

1139
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:43,280
and and just all of us i appreciate working with a council

1140
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:48,080
that cares more about you know what benefits everyone

1141
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,640
so um thank you mayor thank you for the legal department

1142
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:57,120
and um putting this together thank you race scene

1143
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:02,400
for for having you know thoughts about how we can be strong together

1144
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,840
so i support this

1145
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,440
welcome to mark

1146
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,760
i just want to say thank you to the community for coming out here

1147
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:19,440
and speaking their their mind for this ordinance um i want to say thank you to

1148
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:26,560
mayor mason for bringing this up um as a um

1149
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,560
as my grandmother was an immigrant from europe

1150
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:35,360
um she is she was dealt with some things

1151
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,480
not as much as what's going on right now

1152
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:42,880
but all immigrants should be treated with respect

1153
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:49,040
with dignity and they should be they should be treasured

1154
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:58,400
um this this ordinance won't stop us but it will hold them accountable

1155
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,600
for what they're doing

1156
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,560
otherwise so i know we're kind of all saying the same thing

1157
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:13,440
but this was such an easy one for me to support i think i emailed back so

1158
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:17,200
quickly that it wasn't even uh able to get on the agenda yet because

1159
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:22,880
terror was out of time um but when i was at a town hall when i was

1160
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,600
working really hard to try to um be able to serve in this position

1161
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,520
there was a request for questions and there were four or five questions just

1162
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,680
from my district around should people feel safe when they need to call for

1163
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:40,320
help and it was really obvious that it's it's an

1164
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,840
it's obviously not an issue just in my district but it was on the top of mind

1165
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,360
that four or five people submitted that as a question

1166
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:52,160
um so i was really excited to see this so thank you for for bringing this

1167
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:56,480
forward and giving us the opportunity um to talk about this tonight i know the

1168
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:59,600
chief i loved what he said and i appreciate that if this

1169
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,280
was not here tonight he wouldn't have had the opportunity to say that

1170
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,080
in front of this group and i think that was really important that he had the

1171
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,200
opportunity um so thank you for saying that because

1172
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,680
people need to know how you feel too um as a leader in this community

1173
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:18,480
um so just you know as an educator everything um i just really appreciate

1174
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:22,000
the support for this and i really appreciate seeing everybody here and

1175
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:26,400
just being able to um i think somebody said hope so

1176
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:31,120
i hope we can be a small part of providing hope

1177
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:37,680
other dangers thank you

1178
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:44,560
you may notice my name is not listed as a sponsor

1179
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:52,080
only because sometimes i think things are performative i'm here to say i support

1180
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:58,880
this ordinance as this is part of the advocacy i'm all about

1181
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:04,480
um working with in the past with yes voices and

1182
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:08,720
knowing about lulac for and to see that racing

1183
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,680
is stepping up to the movement and making noise

1184
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:20,480
willy bring some warmth to my heart and also thank you to everyone who

1185
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:24,480
came stood for it that shared your stories

1186
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:28,800
stories from your youth your students and your own personal stories

1187
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:36,320
it takes guts to come up and speak um and be vulnerable at times of where

1188
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:41,760
um issues in this administration puts you so to speak up

1189
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:46,560
i appreciate that and i'm here to support and see

1190
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,480
how we move forward thank you

1191
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:55,760
i'll do right here for a second time my first time i was asking questions the

1192
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:01,040
first time i had made no comments but i do have a comment to make

1193
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:06,320
now i first i want to thank alder frazier for reiterating the comments that

1194
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,080
were made by our police chief and for sharing his

1195
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,400
perspective as an active member of law enforcement i think it's really

1196
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:20,080
important for us to hear that um i am saddened at any member of

1197
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,120
this body would ridicule or try to shout down an

1198
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,200
aldermen who asks questions especially of our

1199
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:32,400
our very highly paid staff whose uh opinion and advice that we

1200
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,400
would lie on in order to make the decisions that we have to make

1201
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:40,560
it was very important to me to hear from the police chief

1202
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,960
and the city attorney in regards to the ordinance that's before us

1203
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,120
um although i've had conversations with the police chief and i understand that

1204
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,960
these policies that are now being codified have been in

1205
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,960
place since 2008 i think thought it was important

1206
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,720
for us as a body and the people that are here attending tonight

1207
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:06,000
hear a perspective from the police chief i also wanted to hear from

1208
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,360
the city attorney's office on why we were not

1209
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,360
proposing to have body cams on the federal agents

1210
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,200
like we do with our our police here in racine

1211
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:22,240
so i just wanted to make those comments uh that

1212
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,000
any aldermen serving on this committee should not be ridiculed or

1213
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,480
lessened or diminished in any way because they ask questions

1214
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:34,480
and it should never be assumed that an aldermen has a certain perspective

1215
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:39,360
because they ask questions the reason we ask questions is we want to have a

1216
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,880
fuller understanding and we also want everyone to have a fuller

1217
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,760
understanding so i hope we'll all be cognizant of that going forward

1218
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,160
thank you

1219
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:58,080
any other discussion on this item okay so um there's no one left in the queue

1220
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,040
we do have alder freezer participating remotely

1221
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:05,680
which means we will do a roll call vote so when the clerk calls your name and

1222
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,760
again i just want to remind everybody this is what we're voting on

1223
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,360
and again this is item six six five dash two six

1224
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,520
communication sponsored by mare mason alderweiss alder pebone

1225
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:24,800
alder allen alder land alder harman alder peat alder mark and now alder

1226
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,080
horton as well presenting proposed ordinance zero zero zero

1227
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,600
four dash two six regarding immigration enforcement

1228
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,880
a vote in favor of it would enact the ordinance

1229
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,720
into law when the clerk calls your name please vote

1230
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:49,360
as you wish alder land alder demark alder harman alder pebone alder

1231
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:59,920
freezer alder weiss alder davis alder jorgensen alder weidner alder

1232
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:08,400
horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat 13 eyes zero

1233
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,280
nose congratulations the motion is passed unanimously

1234
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,920
i just wanted to take a moment of personal privilege and just thank the

1235
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,320
community for coming together this is in some ways

1236
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,280
the very best definition of a community people coming together and help each

1237
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,240
other out to protect one another and make their voices heard in our

1238
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,840
democracy so on behalf of the entire city of russian and now a

1239
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,080
unanimous vote on city council thank you and to our immigrants you are welcome

1240
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,120
you are allowed any of every right to feel safe in our community

1241
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:49,280
thanks everyone

1242
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:56,960
I will also just say as people are filing out we do have other

1243
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,320
businesses to continue if you would like to continue conversations

1244
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:04,720
please don't do so in the hallway preferably relatively quietly

1245
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:09,040
we will move now on to finance and personnel alder land did you have any

1246
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:14,880
items for separate consideration yes i do i have one item for separate

1247
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:22,800
consideration please read that item item 0659-26

1248
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,880
communications sponsored by mayor medicine requesting to further land

1249
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:31,680
why don't we wait just one minute for the the folks to exit the building or the

1250
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,760
the room just so everybody can hear you and we can give

1251
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,760
the next item it's due attention

1252
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:25,520
okay i'll go land please read the first item for separate

1253
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:31,520
consideration item 0659-26 communications sponsored by mayor mason

1254
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,440
requesting permission that the mayor and the city clerk can turn to

1255
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:40,960
development agreement with the cda and newmen companies llc

1256
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:47,920
regarding the geezy school property located at 51 20 bird avenue

1257
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:52,240
the recommendation of the finance and personnel committee

1258
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:56,880
that the mayor and the city clerk or their designates be authorized

1259
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,840
to enter into development agreement with the community development authority

1260
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,440
of the city racing and newmen companies llc

1261
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:11,360
for the development of the geezy school property located at 51 20 bird avenue

1262
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:18,320
fiscal note 1031 infrastructure funds would be used in the following ways and

1263
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,520
amounts approximately 2.3 million dollars for the installation of roads

1264
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:29,120
utilities sores water main street lighting electric and gas utilities

1265
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:34,640
1.7 million dollars for down payment assistance on finished homes that would

1266
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:40,080
be 50 000 per lot 300 000 of storm sewer

1267
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,280
infrastructure would also be funded by account

1268
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:50,960
604 84592 0z or storm water contribution move to approve

1269
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,600
there's a motion and a second to approve this item

1270
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,160
discussion

1271
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:00,720
all the land yes you have the right to speak to your motion

1272
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,360
all their land

1273
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:17,520
okay um we had this presentation done at the finance and personnel

1274
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:22,880
committee i find it to be a very exciting proposal a very innovative

1275
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:29,760
proposal i mean we're teaming up with racing unified school district in the

1276
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:35,520
city of racing into a unique deal that i think is really great for

1277
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,600
both they were going to sell the land for quite a bit more

1278
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,440
our usd and they sold it to us for one dollar

1279
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:47,360
and in that we're bringing in newmen homes which

1280
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:51,360
and which is a very reputable company to build

1281
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:58,000
34 units of single family homes they'll be some ranch and some two story

1282
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,240
and then we will offer city racing employees and our usd

1283
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:09,440
employees 50 000 down pay down payment to buy one of these homes that are

1284
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:13,920
going to be worth about 350 000 some maybe more

1285
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,880
and i think this is ideal we're going to build

1286
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,360
another little community in racing and we know we have to

1287
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:25,040
we're hemmed in so to bring people in it's a great

1288
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:30,640
way to do it and to live in the city of racing and to encourage

1289
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:35,120
people that work for the city of racing in our usd to

1290
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,080
move into the city of racing and support the

1291
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:43,520
city that with their property taxes i think it's a great

1292
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,440
idea and i support it thank you all tonight

1293
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:50,720
under wider thank you i have a couple questions one

1294
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:56,320
is for the interim directors are assistant

1295
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:00,320
director of city development and another one would be for the finance

1296
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:04,160
director if the respect to staff people could

1297
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,120
please approach the ds

1298
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:23,360
just a quick question chef i don't think you need your laptop

1299
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,320
i had posed the question to you i had not yet got an answer

1300
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,160
is this newman home shall i see the same newman

1301
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:35,920
developer that had been contracted to do point blue back in

1302
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,920
two thousand six seven eight not to my knowledge from the research i

1303
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,800
had i thought i wrote back to you sorry if i didn't but it is a different

1304
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,600
person altogether the development there is totally different different

1305
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,560
company no i i hadn't heard back but i know you

1306
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,560
haven't been feeling well hope you feel better

1307
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,160
okay it's not the same according to your research

1308
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,720
no it's different because i it wasn't clear to me

1309
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,240
when i did my research now the developer we're working with for newman they

1310
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,960
don't really build the style of homes that would have been proposed that

1311
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,160
point blue in like two thousand six or eight so it's totally different

1312
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:09,200
developer from our research different newman

1313
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:14,480
okay thank you you welcome and then i'm sorry i'll

1314
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,840
please continue my other question was for the finance director and it was in

1315
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,040
regards to a question that was posed to alderman mac

1316
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:29,040
at the finance committee in regards to if this would be an appropriate use

1317
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:33,680
of the sewer agreement funding which according to the documents you've

1318
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:42,000
provided today were uh in 2026 2025 2026 we received about 3.3 million

1319
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,920
dollars from the sewer agreement and it is my

1320
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:51,200
absolute recollection that the sewer agreement was intended for the purposes

1321
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,600
of economic development which would include a project such as this

1322
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,840
so i'm wondering if and i i also noticed that we have had really no

1323
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,960
expenditures to speak of from that shared revenue

1324
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,880
fund so can you kind of give us an idea uh Kathleen of why

1325
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:13,280
we would be using tid bunny from tid 31 rather than the ig fund for this

1326
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:17,840
infrastructure in particular but also the down payment assistance

1327
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,440
sure sure um so just before i begin i just

1328
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:25,920
wanted i want all the elders to know that when we go through development

1329
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:29,600
projects like this the finance department myself

1330
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,920
especially analyzes all potential funding sources

1331
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,920
for any project of this scale or any expense relating to economic

1332
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:43,200
development actually any expense period when i look at those funding sources

1333
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:48,800
i look at not just today i look at 10 years from now 15 years from now and

1334
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,200
what is the best funding source today to make sure that we're still

1335
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,800
sustainable for economic development into the future

1336
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:01,440
having said that and why i am saying that is because the fund that Alderman

1337
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:05,360
Weiner is referring to the intergovernmental revenue

1338
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:11,680
sharing fund was developed as part of the sewer agreement that was

1339
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:15,520
signed with the surrounding municipalities

1340
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:20,480
and at that time it provided the city ever seen with revenue sharing

1341
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:24,720
payments of which is part of the budget every year that you guys adopt

1342
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:30,080
that agreement ends in 2032 that is all we have

1343
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:34,960
we gave up our rights in that agreement to any more land

1344
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:39,840
we gave up our ability to annex and get new land to be able to develop

1345
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,680
all we got were the revenue sharing payments and while they are

1346
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:48,960
coming in and we do have them those funds need to be set aside to be

1347
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:56,720
used in 2031 2032 20334567 out into the future

1348
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:01,280
that is why this funding source as approved by the common counsel in the

1349
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,840
project plan just to remind you the common

1350
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,360
council when they approved project plan number 31

1351
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,560
approved this project in that project plan with this funding source of

1352
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:17,520
number 31 so in my professional opinion

1353
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,120
IG funds for this project should not be used

1354
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:26,320
and they should be set aside for years 32 33 34 35

1355
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,720
when we still are going to have extreme economic development needs

1356
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:35,520
and we will have no revenue stream to pay for them

1357
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:46,160
so i just follow up on that so 32 33 34 35

1358
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:50,000
so we're setting aside the three million three and a half million

1359
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,120
four million probably going to be up to six million a couple years that we're

1360
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:56,720
going to be receiving in intergovernmental funds we're setting

1361
01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:01,040
that aside for really no purpose at all but

1362
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:07,360
had not this funding been ending as per the contract the 30-year contract

1363
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,880
would this have been an appropriate use for the infrastructure and the

1364
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,640
down payment assistance for the project on bird avenue

1365
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,160
the IG fund is there for economic development yes

1366
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:22,400
okay thank you i would just remind the council the council adopted an ordinance

1367
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:26,560
change that requires the IG funds to be used on a revolving loan basis

1368
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,640
so they are recycled and not for one-time funding expenditures again that's

1369
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,920
council adopted policy uh on that topic

1370
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:34,720
okay thank you

1371
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,840
under whiter you have the floor thank you i do have a couple comments to make

1372
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:49,600
um reiterating some of what i said at the finance committee last monday

1373
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:53,920
but i want to expand on that a little bit so this is not going to be the first

1374
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,480
time that we dip into a neighborhood

1375
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:00,800
tit and take taxpayer dollars from a group of taxpayers and move it

1376
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,480
someplace else i'm afraid this is a slippery slope that will

1377
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:12,640
will continue long into the future um tit 31 covers about 375 acres of modest

1378
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:16,880
homes most assessed between 80,000 and 200,000

1379
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:21,360
and the plan necessarily classifies nearly 60 percent of that acreage as

1380
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:25,680
needing rehabilitation the condition of those residents homes

1381
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:29,600
is the legal basis for the district existing

1382
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:34,080
they were promised repair and renovation loans and grants

1383
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:38,240
they were promised that 25 percent of the taxes that they pay into their

1384
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,080
tit would be designated for public infrastructure

1385
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:47,200
within their tit instead not one dollar of the revenue taken from their

1386
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:51,040
property taxes has gone into infrastructure improvements

1387
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:55,680
into their neighborhoods instead what the mayor is proposing and is before

1388
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,400
you tonight is four million dollars taken from

1389
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:04,240
tit 31 four million that doesn't even exist yet

1390
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:06,640
two point three million is to build the roads

1391
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:11,040
sewer streetlights for a private developer's new subdivision

1392
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:15,920
a half mile outside of tit 31 and one point seven million

1393
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,080
in down payment assistance which will be reserved for the briefing memorandum

1394
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:24,160
for employees of Racine Unified and the City of Racine

1395
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,040
not for the hard-working tax-paying property owners

1396
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:33,440
in in tit 31 not one line of it is repair loan to the homeowners this

1397
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:36,720
district will build on no taxpayer paying the taxes

1398
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,920
in tit 31 will be eligible for the 50,000

1399
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,520
dollar down payment assistance that they are funding

1400
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:47,440
unless of course they are so fortunate as to be a unified or a City of Racine

1401
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:50,880
employee meanwhile here's what the district's

1402
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,880
residents actually received when their alleys needed repaving

1403
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:59,760
they got special assessments five eight eleven thousand dollars out of their

1404
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,000
pockets from households earning around fifty five

1405
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:09,040
thousand per year after this council was told

1406
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:12,880
tit funds could not be used to cover alley work

1407
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,720
the average unified salary is nearly seventy seven

1408
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,600
thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars more

1409
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,200
than an entire medium household for the entire

1410
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:28,160
that the entire City of Racine earns so follow it through their home's

1411
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,680
condition created this district their tax growth

1412
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:36,880
fills it their schools for go the revenue for up to 27 years

1413
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:40,000
they pay the special assessments for their own alleys

1414
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,440
and the first four million dollars for

1415
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:49,520
infrastructure they I will guarantee it will be

1416
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:54,320
just the first four million out of the door builds a subdivision on

1417
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,440
bird avenue which is entirely outside of the boundaries of

1418
01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:01,280
tit 31 with a fifty thousand dollar down payment for

1419
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:04,640
government employees who out earn them the plan

1420
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:08,080
promises these residents these residents renovation loans

1421
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,760
this agreements hands their money to people who don't live there

1422
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:16,160
and this is the template not the exception at Lincoln King publicly

1423
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:19,120
built town homes went to the school district employees

1424
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:23,920
at a hundred thousand dollars off buyers chosen by outside entities

1425
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:28,960
and made this district's plan was expanded past 50 million dollars tonight

1426
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:34,080
four million is the opening draw three questions that I have received no

1427
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:38,240
answer is the assistance per lot or per purchaser

1428
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:43,680
and what is the maximum exposure what under what provisions was cash

1429
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,720
down payment assistance to the employees of two public

1430
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:51,120
employers added to a plan that promised homeowner repair loans

1431
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:55,920
and did the joint review board vote on this specific use

1432
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,960
and is this Newman homes LLC the same failed

1433
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:03,840
failed developer from point blue 2008 well I guess that question got answered

1434
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,760
to me tonight before one development dollar

1435
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:11,360
or one fifty thousand dollar uh down payment

1436
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,720
fund the repair and renovation loans that this promised

1437
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:19,920
with priority on those alley assessment credit for the district's residents

1438
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,120
that they're already paying the people in tit 31

1439
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:26,960
didn't just pay for this district their homes are the reason it legally

1440
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:32,080
exist you can the reason that tit 31

1441
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:37,280
exist on page 17 of the original plan adopted by the council

1442
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:41,760
I asked you to vote no on this the taxpayers in tit 31 were

1443
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:46,080
were told this investment was theirs prove it

1444
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:51,360
this proposal is the antithesis of robin hood and the numbers prove that

1445
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:55,600
so I hope you will hold this down there are other sources of

1446
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:59,200
revenues that could and should be used to pay for the infrastructure and the

1447
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:02,560
down payment assistance for that development thank you

1448
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,120
alder bravone thank you mr so I think it's important to outline

1449
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:13,360
that as a city that is facing the structural deficit the economic impacts

1450
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,720
that we have that we all know that we're all aware of

1451
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,400
that director fissure has said many many times it's important for us to

1452
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:25,200
utilize every tool available to us when she said those particular funds are

1453
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:29,680
for our cushion because we know the years ahead are going to be hard

1454
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,920
we're talking about what was originally promised when the tip is made and those

1455
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,760
titts being amended and the half mile clause being included in

1456
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,280
there project plans approved by the council

1457
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,200
already water agreements is an attorney all that stuff before I was even on the

1458
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:49,680
council I do have a question for either

1459
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:56,400
assistant director hence or the director of finance director fissure

1460
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:00,880
about what happens to the fifty thousand dollars

1461
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,320
if you know because I know it's the 120 day

1462
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:08,240
right that it's for either our usd or the city proceeding but what

1463
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,200
what happens to that that funding just put back into

1464
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:17,680
the tid or or how that works could you just elaborate on that for me please

1465
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:21,040
yeah excellent question so if it wasn't used in this area by

1466
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:25,200
employee it would just remain in the tid okay after the 120 days and it would

1467
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:29,920
be used for some purpose in 31 in that area thank you

1468
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:33,200
so it makes sense that they would have some sort of incentive in there because

1469
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:37,280
our usd is the one that gave us the land and our usd

1470
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:42,240
is also funded from taxpayer dollars so now we're building

1471
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:47,200
on something that would have been is just like vacant land at this point

1472
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,920
34 homes that will increase the tax base

1473
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:54,160
not only that but incentivize people that teach our children

1474
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,200
that are educators and administrators so on and so forth

1475
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:01,760
and incentivize people from the city that work for the city to live

1476
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,400
in the city

1477
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,520
so it's not about a misappropriation of funds

1478
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,800
I spoke with director fissure in length about this if she could please

1479
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:15,280
clarify how many of those the ten thousand dollar home loan repair

1480
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,280
grants a year is at a thousand if I remember correctly

1481
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:24,640
and I'll to I don't want to do a loaded question here but

1482
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:28,560
also out of this tid how do we make sure that those people

1483
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,600
are applying for those are still getting it or is this project taking

1484
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,000
precedent

1485
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:38,880
no that's a good question thank you the homeowner repair grants will still

1486
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:44,080
take place in tid number 31 I'm just looking it up real quick I

1487
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:48,000
apologize I don't remember off the top and I had what it was but

1488
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:53,280
it is quite a few that we have given

1489
01:54:53,280 --> 01:55:02,640
so about 135 in 2026 that we have given out

1490
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:10,000
okay so how do you make sure that the repair grants are applied for by these

1491
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,280
homeowners are not pushed out of the way by

1492
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:17,440
this particular project absolutely thank you for the question

1493
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:21,360
so we do an internal budget for each one of the tids each year so we set

1494
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:25,280
aside the grant money first and then the infrastructure money there after

1495
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,800
this would be coming out of the infrastructure money

1496
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:32,320
so the grants are always going to come first they'll go in that same type of

1497
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:35,040
rotation as the grants do now right we open one

1498
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:39,760
at a time just for administration purposes but

1499
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,960
the grants will still take place just like they have before

1500
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:46,960
thank you I would be in support of something like this because

1501
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:52,640
we have to find ways and opportunities we can't build out

1502
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:56,560
some people were on council when these water contracts were made

1503
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:02,160
and crippled our ability to expand

1504
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:08,880
to annex to grow we can't grow out so we have to grow up

1505
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,320
and news flash even when we do that that just allows us

1506
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:16,480
per the current levy formula to raise taxes to help us get out of that

1507
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:20,320
structural deficit but by increasing our property tax base

1508
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:25,280
and utilizing the funds that we have available to us

1509
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:29,520
this is the these are one of the best ways that we can do this

1510
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,360
while maintaining that fund we're going to need

1511
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:36,960
as a cushion in the coming years

1512
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,800
we don't get anywhere by doing the same thing over and over and over again

1513
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:44,640
so I would support this thank you

1514
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:48,160
alder to mark

1515
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,680
hang on alder to mark let me turn your microphone on

1516
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:04,640
all right I think this is a great opportunity for the Racine

1517
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:09,120
the city we're seeing to grow right now is a vacant land

1518
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:13,600
it's not getting any type of tax revenue it's just a vacant land owned by the

1519
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:18,720
district this is a great opportunity to get

1520
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:25,040
people in the houses into the city to contribute more into the city

1521
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:29,280
and to add to our revenue and I'm sorry but

1522
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:38,800
to to reduce our usd workers and city workers as not hard working people

1523
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:44,400
I find that disgusting because I am our usd worker and I am as hard as

1524
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:47,280
workers anyone else in the city so that's it

1525
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:50,480
alder Harman

1526
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:54,160
thank you mayor

1527
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:08,800
I think that sometimes people encourage a certain vote by

1528
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:13,680
kind of making people scared or fearful

1529
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:20,960
and I'm not pointing anyone out but this is what I'm hearing I am hearing

1530
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:27,840
that you should not perhaps vote for this because

1531
01:58:28,720 --> 01:58:38,240
it takes money from one kid in which taxpayers are putting money into that

1532
01:58:38,240 --> 01:58:45,600
kid and they are expecting some type of infrastructure improvements

1533
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:50,800
and for that money to go into that kid and by taking money from

1534
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:58,400
that and putting it in another kid it actually defeats the purpose of what

1535
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:08,080
the original philosophy and purpose behind it was and that was to improve

1536
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:11,360
a city area within Racine

1537
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:19,920
and I'm thinking it's a half mile apart from each other

1538
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:24,400
t31 and t34 is a half mile radius of each other

1539
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,400
they use the same roads they use the same utilities

1540
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:33,360
they use the same parks they use the same community services

1541
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:35,120
it's not like

1542
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:42,080
it's on the other side of the city it's a half a mile

1543
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:47,360
someone's making it sound like you draining all of the money out of one

1544
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,040
tier and putting it into another tier that isn't even existed yet

1545
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:56,640
it ain't even been approved yet it's within a half a mile of each other

1546
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:58,640
it's the same community

1547
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:04,720
I'm not even going over the fact that Racine any improvement in racing

1548
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:12,000
so you can want infrastructures include homes and driveways in front streets and curves

1549
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,560
infrastructure includes money coming in some type of way where people are motivated to stay

1550
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:22,560
longer live longer be longer in Racine put more money in Racine

1551
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:29,360
and we are trying to build homes in an area that's within a half mile of each other

1552
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:36,400
so that several other forms of income can go into that same community and we want to

1553
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:42,960
make it like it's 30 mile a whole nother city whole nother community over

1554
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:49,840
let's keep this simple our vote yes for this

1555
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:57,680
on the wider for a second time thank you I asked myself why am I so passionate about this

1556
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:01,680
why am I willing to let my blood pressure go up to 180 over 90

1557
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:08,320
it's a very simple reason this last spring like every year we had a public hearing on

1558
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:14,400
alley repayment there was a young woman that came and spoke at the public hearing in regards to

1559
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:20,720
the assessment that she would be charged if she if we would approve up paving her alley

1560
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:29,120
she also told me that last year in 2025 as a resident of tit 31 she had building code violations

1561
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:35,840
she applied for a tit grant but did not receive a tit grant to address those building code violations

1562
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:43,520
in 2025 so she requested an extension from the neighborhood enhancement division to address

1563
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:50,320
those building code violations in 2026 she received an extension for the building code violations

1564
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:58,400
so she contacted me because she got a letter from Ned saying that she would be charged I forgot

1565
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:02,960
what she told me per day for not complying with the building code violations because

1566
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:09,440
the extension had passed and she said well I have it marked on my calendar to apply for a

1567
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:18,960
tit grant to address those this year in 2026 and I said to her looking at the website as the

1568
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:25,120
application period I said I don't want to be the one have to tell you this but the window for you

1569
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:31,920
applying for a tit grant for 2026 closed three weeks ago she said no no no that can't be I have

1570
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:39,120
it marked on my calendar last year I applied in June well I said the application period changes

1571
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:48,160
every year so this year you you've missed the opportunity to apply for a tit grant I asked her

1572
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:54,720
her address that address was within the focus area that we now are designated so in the focus

1573
02:02:54,720 --> 02:03:00,000
area within the tit if you have building code violations or you just are a property owner within

1574
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:05,840
the tit the department of neighborhood enforcement come or enhancement comes around it puts a door

1575
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:12,880
knocker on your door letting you know that you when the window is for your application so she lived

1576
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:19,360
in the tit had building code violations had an extension and she received no notice of when

1577
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:25,760
the application period was for her so this year again she missed the opportunity

1578
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:33,360
to apply for a tit grant to address those building code violations and she lost her job at Eunphi

1579
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:41,040
and fortunately for the council we did remove her alley from the special assessment which would

1580
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:44,880
have cost her another six thousand dollars which she didn't have because she's struggling to pay

1581
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:50,800
for property taxes so it's going to be encouraging for her to know that some of the money that she

1582
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:55,920
struggles to pay in her property tax is going to get moved over on bird avenue to either put an

1583
02:03:55,920 --> 02:04:01,760
infrastructure over there that she can't get or it's going to help somebody have a fifty thousand

1584
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:09,360
dollar down payment assistance even though it's coming from her property tax so that's why I'm so

1585
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:15,600
passionate about how you will I cannot support this because I look at the people in tit 31

1586
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:23,200
and know how they struggle and I just don't even though the council approved it I am

1587
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:35,760
adamantly opposed to it but and that's it other dragons thank you so we all live busy lives I

1588
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:42,240
get it we can't always attend every committee meeting although any alder is welcome to attend

1589
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:49,600
any other committee meeting it if you don't sit on it and plenty of alders do just that so we did

1590
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:56,640
have other alders come to the last finance and personnel committee and there was quite a few

1591
02:04:56,640 --> 02:05:03,440
questions that were asked although I am a bit confused because some of the questions that were

1592
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:10,640
supposedly left open of we don't I still don't have an answer to it we're asked at the last

1593
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:18,320
committee meeting and given an answer one in particular is is it one down payment per person

1594
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:23,520
or per lot I remember the answer to this because I was interested in the question and so I can tell

1595
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:29,360
you Jeff can give a thumbs up if I got it right but it's it's per home it's not per person if there

1596
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:33,040
was two unified employees they wouldn't get a hundred thousand dollars it would be fifty

1597
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:40,000
thousand so that was answered the same question of why can't we use this for alleys the the answer

1598
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:47,520
was given again at committee which is there is a rule of the but for clause and once again I

1599
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:52,800
think I'm going to be an expert at this by the time that we've I've heard it over and over again and

1600
02:05:52,880 --> 02:06:00,400
I have had to say it now over and over again and the but for clause is we can only use the the

1601
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:06,880
TID money if it wasn't if it was but for or however it was basically if it was going to happen

1602
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:12,960
anyways we can't use the TID's TID funding for it and so replacing someone's alley was going to

1603
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:18,800
happen whether or not the TID was there but building a brand new subdivisions infrastructure

1604
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:25,760
wouldn't have been able to happen if there wasn't TID funding available for it and so that's the

1605
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:30,160
story on the alleys of why can't we just use this for alleys we've heard it over and over and over

1606
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:38,000
again was at committee again and then the question of the the use of the IG fund a similar answer

1607
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:47,760
again of we had a terrible deal that was done through the city to provide sewer and water to the

1608
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:52,480
outline communities and we signed off our right to be able to grow to be able to expand our tax

1609
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:58,560
base through new land acquisition and development I think some people still maintain that that was

1610
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:04,080
a good deal for the city but looking back on it there's a lot of places where we continue to lose

1611
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:10,560
and one of those is that those payments that we're getting don't go on in perpetuity so if we're

1612
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:22,880
going to start using it to be put towards one-time expenses that is a I'm sorry I there's I have

1613
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:28,160
the microphone I'm I believe if you wanted to talk again you can push your button but I'm recognized

1614
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:32,720
if the chair could make sure that all the jurgents in you have the floor thank you

1615
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:41,280
um so once again the use of the IG fund is is something that we have to be very careful with

1616
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:46,880
we don't get that back and the payments don't go past an arbitrary date although I can promise

1617
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:51,200
you we will still be providing sewer and water to the communities and still will have sold away

1618
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:58,880
our ability to expand and grow and I get there's gestures of move on however it's really important

1619
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:05,680
because that has has put the city in a terrible position where we are now losing population

1620
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:11,520
we're focused on trying to build up there was the the method in this I would say is just merely

1621
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:17,440
building in we're in filling into a vacant lot something that we have to do so before we we snub

1622
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:23,760
our nose at the idea of providing down payment assistance to some of the hardest working employees

1623
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:29,520
in the city before we say well let's use this one time thing that we're getting that's going to end

1624
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:35,680
that we're not going to get again we should use what's before us to make sure that we're able to

1625
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:41,680
grow and expand and this through the process will actually help towards lowering property taxes in

1626
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:47,280
the future because we're able to expand our tax base there's new homes with a comment was made

1627
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:52,240
tonight that it's an empty lot that we're not getting tax revenue from these would be new homes

1628
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:58,400
that we would be spreading the tax burden amongst so i'm fully in favor of growing the city

1629
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:04,320
and giving a hand up to some of the hardest working employees that we have in the area thank you

1630
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:16,880
thank you alder aun thank you all we've heard some wonderful comments about about this plan

1631
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:24,800
and i just want to say that i believe that our director of finance gave a very good explanation

1632
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:33,120
about the two dollars and how those things how those dollars move in and out it is to be noted that

1633
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:42,720
with those those two dollars and the expectations i'm going to move on to just the sustainability

1634
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:49,360
and the attractiveness of Racine two people who live here and that we want to maintain

1635
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:55,600
and retain their residency here as well as attracting others and i don't know

1636
02:09:55,600 --> 02:10:03,680
when you drive through neighboring municipalities they have worked collaboratively as a community

1637
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:14,480
to refresh those municipalities and then you come into Racine where we are beginning the process of

1638
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:20,720
making our city one of those municipalities that takes full advantage of the things that we've

1639
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:28,000
been blessed with and built on those so if you live in a particular area and you've been able to have

1640
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:34,720
that area designated as two dollars and as alder Harmon mentioned that just a half mile

1641
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:40,720
distance between these two that we're discussing right now you know anything that we do in our

1642
02:10:40,720 --> 02:10:49,520
community as a whole that gives a shine or a refresh to the city is a win all the way around we are

1643
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:56,560
we're building together as community and we have to start looking at ourselves that way if we don't

1644
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:04,080
we're just not going to exist anymore we have got to let go of the the band-aid approach and the

1645
02:11:04,080 --> 02:11:08,720
you know we just want things to stay the way they are we have got to take advantage of the

1646
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:15,280
of the opportunities that come because of of decisions we've heard that said you know we

1647
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:20,080
make these decisions when you vote with the cognizant well that's in everything that we do

1648
02:11:20,080 --> 02:11:26,640
and we are in 2026 and we have just celebrated at the 250 we're celebrating

1649
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:35,360
100 some odd years of Racine we have to look forward to the next 50 to the next 75 years

1650
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:40,880
of this city and we're talking about affordable housing so when you talk about okay well

1651
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:47,600
these homes are going to be made available for for this set of people it isn't any different

1652
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:53,840
than when we look at homes that are available for maybe our aging community or people who are

1653
02:11:53,840 --> 02:12:02,080
on fixed incomes and we make again parts of our community available and accessible to them because

1654
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:10,720
they matter to us we are working at reducing transit you know where our children and our families

1655
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:16,560
are trying to find places to live and they can be in a district or have access to good

1656
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:24,800
education and to make those things available for them so our vote covers so many facets of

1657
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:33,440
impact for our community that we can't just sit back and be one-dimensional in this thought

1658
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:39,840
process this is a multifaceted impact for our community and so we of course are going to support it

1659
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:52,400
I'll do land for a second time yes I either director Fischer direct lines I asked this question

1660
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:59,440
at the committee level but I just want to clarify for those that weren't there and didn't hear it

1661
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:06,640
I asked if there was enough funds left after this and 1031 to still give out the ten thousand

1662
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:17,520
grants and you said yes there was so what again I if one of you could come to the mic and

1663
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:21,360
audibly confirm that I think that'd be helpful correct there are when the accounts are set

1664
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:24,400
up at the beginning of the year they're set up between infrastructure and then the whole

1665
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:27,760
water program so there'd never be any risk to the whole water program being funded

1666
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:37,840
other winder you spoke in twice other Alan thank you and I wanted to make another

1667
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:45,760
statement I meet with the director of finance and our assistant director of development quite

1668
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:53,680
often and when it comes to messaging that is also something that takes apparently a lot of us to

1669
02:13:53,760 --> 02:14:02,320
participate in so if our we have we have districts that we can communicate and message within and

1670
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:07,920
if I think it would just help I know I practice it I find out when things are happening on the

1671
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:14,400
calendar and I make those that information available to my district so that hopefully they take a

1672
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:18,960
vantage of city opportunities such as neighborhood improvement

1673
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:27,520
other winder you had a question question for the finance director in regards to

1674
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:35,760
1031 can you tell the council what the balances currently are in 1031 that contributes toward

1675
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:43,600
the admin cost and what is currently in the infrastructure portion of their budget

1676
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:52,240
I don't have the infrastructure portion right in front of me but what is available in 1031 as

1677
02:14:52,240 --> 02:14:59,360
of right now is three point one million dollars as of one one of 27 there will be an additional

1678
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:06,560
three million dollars that will come into that fund as of one one of 27 there is plenty of funds

1679
02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:13,920
available for this project as well as the grant okay thank you other remark for a second time

1680
02:15:18,720 --> 02:15:23,200
so this is for the the finance director I'm sorry

1681
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:31,360
so I know we created a couple of tidd districts recently

1682
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:37,840
um has there ever been a time where we could expand a tidd so then we can cover this area so

1683
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:48,640
then we can recoup whatever we spend towards it or is it just that's all it is in this particular

1684
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:52,800
instance I would not recommend expanding the boundaries of the tidd it gets really really

1685
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:59,120
complicated to get into why that is but it it depends on the equalized value of the expanded

1686
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:05,920
area um tidd number 31 was just amended and just approved by the common council had we thought

1687
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:11,040
it a good idea at that time to expand the boundaries of the tidd we would have proposed it as such

1688
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:23,040
I have no one left in the queue when the clerk calls your name please vote as you wish

1689
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:42,000
alder land alder remark alder herman alder pavone alder Frazier aye alder wyce alder

1690
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:53,120
jorgensen alder wydener alder horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat

1691
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:05,280
eleven ayes one no motion carries alder land did you have other items for separate consideration

1692
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:09,920
no I do not then without objection these items will be placed on the consent agenda

1693
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:14,080
will then move on to public works and services alder herman did you have any items for separate

1694
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:19,760
consideration then without objection we will place this report on the consent agenda

1695
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:24,240
will then move on to public safety and licensing alder peat did you have items for separate

1696
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:32,880
consideration yes I do sir I have to please read the first item first items item numbers 065 26

1697
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:40,640
recommendation of the public safety and license committee on July 29th 2026 that the communication

1698
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:48,400
sponsored by alder peat requesting the appearance of kevin dooback doobake agent for doobies located

1699
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:57,600
at 3701 grand avenue sweet 345 pursuant to a formal expression of concern and also requesting

1700
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:03,040
consideration of rescinding the formalings expression of concern be received in file

1701
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:10,480
there's better motion in a second to receive and file this item would that be separate

1702
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,120
is the vote then just to receive and files that would be take the roll call in

1703
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:24,240
okay alder peat did you want to speak to the motion uh yes uh the committee decided within

1704
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:31,920
the scoping guidelines of the ordinances and the issues that to receive and file was the best

1705
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:40,080
course of action otherwise thank you have a couple questions the first one is for the city attorney

1706
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:46,960
and can he explain to the council what a receiving file means in this instance the city attorney

1707
02:18:46,960 --> 02:19:00,960
well the option excuse me the action that was um anticipated or potentially could have occurred

1708
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:11,120
at the committee was um the issuance of a formal expression of concern which can be on the path

1709
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:18,960
to taking action against the license i receive and file in this case generally receiving file

1710
02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:22,480
essentially the same thank you very much for this information we're not going to do anything with

1711
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:28,880
it in this case it means the formal expression of concern was not issued till it doesn't go

1712
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:36,160
on the record of this establishment alder writing is that correct uh mr chairman

1713
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:42,880
so typically a receiving file means that a formal expression of concern is moving forward so it

1714
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:51,440
would be a strike against the premise holder okay so um alder whiner if it's okay that the city

1715
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:55,840
clerk thinks she can offer some clarity to your question i'll call on her to try to clarify thank

1716
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:02,160
you hi thank you so i hope i explain this okay so when the initial item goes through from the

1717
02:20:02,240 --> 02:20:07,680
formal expression of concern to public safety and licensing at that meeting you were technically

1718
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:12,960
issuing the formal expression of concern so that leaves you another chance when they're formally

1719
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:19,040
called in to rescind that formal expression of concern by receiving and filing this you are

1720
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:25,520
essentially saying that yes we did issue the formal expression so it exists essentially

1721
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:32,560
against the establishment thank you so i have a couple of questions and that is do we know how

1722
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:39,120
many formal expressions of concerns that this premise holder has had in the last six months in a year

1723
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:44,480
just the other one are you directing your question to the clerk or uh chairman peat

1724
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:47,440
or two of them are you directing your question whoever could answer the question

1725
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:57,680
other people i believe that this is their first in six months so uh as we would if they wouldn't

1726
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:09,440
have any go move forward with litigation okay so my final question is is this formal expression

1727
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:17,200
of concern um because of incidents that took place within the bar or in the parking lot because

1728
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:23,280
i know the parking lot has been an issue for a long long time and i'm wondering if it's

1729
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:28,080
something that took place in the bar that spilled out into the parking lot or if it was just a parking

1730
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:36,960
lot well over the past as you know uh year plus it's been a combination of both in general

1731
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:45,360
the primary one is still outside but there is activity on the inside as well and that was

1732
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:50,320
brought up in committee i'm sorry that was brought up in committee the activity inside

1733
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:59,600
uh yes well from the premises report and whatever okay thank you i've known the question thank you

1734
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:04,880
oh okay um alder harman and then we'll go to alder Frazier next

1735
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:13,760
all right thank you um this is directed to the chair of the committee so i i've heard about

1736
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:18,720
doobies for a while i've heard about how their staff can behave

1737
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:29,280
rudely disrespectfully discriminatory i've seen videos in which management or bartenders or staff

1738
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:37,120
or something have said that they serve certain types of drinks to eliminate certain type of clientele

1739
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:48,800
i i've this i mean i don't know do you only count when they've come before the committee in the last

1740
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:55,360
six months because when the questions was asked the last six months last year so how many times

1741
02:22:55,360 --> 02:23:02,240
the answer was they come because of outside sometimes inside sometimes how many times within

1742
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:12,480
the last few years we both outside inside around the side in the mind side have they had complaints

1743
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:18,320
or have had to come before the committee within the last five years about some type of reckless

1744
02:23:18,320 --> 02:23:26,480
comment or behavior with regards to this establishment and do you know that i can answer you the question

1745
02:23:26,480 --> 02:23:33,440
the way you ask it but i can give you the answer that you're looking for uh we have a it's called

1746
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:39,840
premises report provided by the police department at every meeting and we go through a process

1747
02:23:40,400 --> 02:23:48,800
of finding out if who we feel is a it has a problem with public safety i'll end to that way

1748
02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:55,440
so some bar some establishments might show up three or four times have major issues

1749
02:23:55,440 --> 02:24:01,920
and then the committee would deem it necessary to call them in and see how we can work with them

1750
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:08,480
and the some of the remedies that we use would be with the police department and the city attorney's

1751
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:15,040
office but they're complete processes to answer your questions specifically about the frequency

1752
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:22,320
um there has been a lot of activity which is why as we put it to keep it simple they were issued

1753
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:28,720
a ticket they've also over the past worked in some programs that we had the city has to work

1754
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:36,000
with businesses solve these types of problems all right thank you sure

1755
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:43,520
i'll do the phone um mr. Mayor i think all their pressure was first

1756
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:48,960
a bigger pardon i think all their pressure was was what he before oh he was i am so sorry thank

1757
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:52,720
you for reminding me all the people on all their freezer is here virtually and has his hand

1758
02:24:52,720 --> 02:25:00,960
virtually raised all the freezer you have the floor uh yeah so i think that this speaks to um i wasn't

1759
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:08,640
at the meeting um but i am aware of of the concern the concerns and what's been happening um i think

1760
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:15,840
this the the committee choosing to receive and file speaks to a broader issue of fairness but

1761
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:21,440
then it also speaks to one of the the continuous conversations we've been having about loitering

1762
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:29,600
to all the writers are about especially outside we've had many many conversations

1763
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:35,120
with this establishment and the license holder about how they

1764
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:43,040
i hate to use this term police but how they monitor the activity in their bar

1765
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:48,960
and how they monitor the activity outside of their bar and you know the one thing that i get

1766
02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:57,200
dinged up a lot uh dinged up with a lot is fairness um they are certain bar owners

1767
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:01,280
who feel as though they're targeted there are other bar owners who feel as though we're not

1768
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:06,480
consistent the last concert meeting um that was one of the things that came up is that you know

1769
02:26:07,440 --> 02:26:14,720
our committee seems to be inconsistent in how we handle punishment um since this is the first

1770
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:23,520
um knock against uh doobies um i think receiving and filing is an appropriate step uh and if it

1771
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:31,440
continues uh we would just refer them to the city attorney's office to come up with um a solution

1772
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:40,560
that can that can better improve uh um this bar's ability to to to stay in business uh so i really

1773
02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:51,280
in the in the essence of fairness and consistency i think that we should uphold this committee's

1774
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:55,520
recommendation um and receive and file uh this item

1775
02:26:57,360 --> 02:27:03,680
and maybe if we could just given all their harmons question if we could ask the chair just to

1776
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:09,040
explain since this is not the first time they've been uh before the committee what was presented

1777
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:14,000
to them that made them decide uh to simply receive and file of it rather than rather than

1778
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:17,600
taking some other action i think that's what maybe seems incongruous

1779
02:27:20,320 --> 02:27:27,520
ought to be uh yes uh going back with all our appraiser of the appointment pointed out uh they

1780
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:34,320
we've been working with the establishment over the years and they have been through processes before

1781
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:40,800
working with the city attorney's office with programs that they have and uh it's to continue

1782
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:47,840
with as all the wider pointed out they've had a lot of problems outside it's a huge parking lot

1783
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:53,200
and uh we've been trying to work with them but the consistency and the frequency

1784
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:57,520
all the harm is why we took the action that we did this time

1785
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:07,920
but the goal is to as all the phrases said be fair and consistent but work with the issue to help

1786
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:15,440
make the community over there safer or keep reduce the problems in the area all the problem

1787
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:22,080
thank you mr mare so i i served my first committee was public safety and licensing i served a

1788
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:27,440
whole year on there i'm very familiar with doobies very familiar with the issues both inside and

1789
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:32,800
outside of the establishment and i would like to applaud the committee um for being consistent

1790
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:38,640
and receiving and filing and i think that is the best choice but i do also think to aldermen

1791
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:43,680
widner and all their frasier's point that um it is a broader conversation that needs to be had

1792
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:47,760
about loitering and how to enforce that and how to change that and i think i have seen things

1793
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:52,800
throughout the counseling committees that it that is addressing that so in this particular case

1794
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:56,720
we the resources have been made available and this is a situation where i think

1795
02:28:57,440 --> 02:29:05,680
this is appropriate thank you alder aldermen hi this is thank you this is a question just about

1796
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:13,200
consistency so is there a set number of times that an establishment has to appear on the

1797
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:20,080
premises report before they are called in for question to whom are you addressing your question

1798
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:24,720
aldermen uh and might might we address it to the city court yes please okay

1799
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:33,440
sure thanks for the question so the license premise report contains a bunch of different

1800
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:39,120
police reports and any time they're either called out to establishment or it could just be a license

1801
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:44,960
check or it could be that someone at the establishment called the police so there's not a set amount

1802
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:49,600
of time it's up to the discretion of the board but that's because it might have been the right thing

1803
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:55,120
to call a police officer maybe someone was heard outside and walked in you wouldn't want to count

1804
02:29:55,120 --> 02:30:01,520
that against the establishment so oftentimes it's up to the discretion of the board of whether or not

1805
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:06,640
you know a lot of these calls could have been prevented or if they need security measures

1806
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:12,160
or kind of cases like that but there's not like a set amount of time someone needs to be

1807
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:18,000
mentioned in a license premise report there could also be something that's so drastic and a bar was

1808
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:23,200
never mentioned on one that the committee would still like to call them in so i hope that answers

1809
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:32,960
the question aldermen you showed before thank you so we had uh some owners come before the council

1810
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:38,720
a few weeks ago make a statement about consistency and they're being uh

1811
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:47,280
concerned that there weren't a set of guidelines that they could follow and the other part was that

1812
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:56,880
the committee can change every year so there isn't a set rubric for anyone to follow so it was

1813
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:03,840
mentioned that perhaps we could work towards having a rubric that could be followed because then we

1814
02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:13,440
would have a defined way to look at these incidents instances that even the bar owners could review

1815
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:20,960
and any incoming committee member would be able to use as a tool in order to go for it and the

1816
02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:28,560
arbitrary and subjectiveness element would be removed largely from the process i don't think

1817
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:37,600
that this is a scientific method it's left up to yes anyone's uh emotional attachment maybe

1818
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:45,120
other people i just wanted to comment on the outside issue we are working with the attorney's

1819
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:52,400
office and one of the representatives came to our mid-last meeting to go over the city's laws on

1820
02:31:52,400 --> 02:31:58,400
watering and so we'll be looking at that and we may have something that we'll be presenting to the

1821
02:31:58,400 --> 02:32:06,640
council other writer thank you i think this needs to be on the record um the public safety and

1822
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:12,480
licensing committee at each meeting gets the license premise report from the items that are

1823
02:32:12,480 --> 02:32:18,240
on the license premise report they will see some things that give them concern so if they're

1824
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:24,160
concerned about something they would call the premise owner in to discuss what those concerns

1825
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:29,680
are they can receive in file or they can rescind in this case according to the letter that was

1826
02:32:29,680 --> 02:32:37,040
received by the premise owner on july 7th mr dubiac was called in for two incidents the first one

1827
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:45,280
was on june 14th 2026 and that was for officers provided extra attention to the parking lot

1828
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:53,760
officers dispersed a crowd upon their arrival no violations observed that on 620 off-duty

1829
02:32:53,760 --> 02:33:00,560
officer requested assistance to disperse the crowd crowd was dispersed with no violations

1830
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:08,400
observed the second incident does not say anything about the parking lot so the issues at doobies

1831
02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:16,560
have remained in my view uh to be the parking lot and we're seen as not the only community that has

1832
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:22,640
problems with large groups gathering in any place they can find the area which to gather

1833
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:29,360
unless it's something that is in the control of the premise owner i don't know how we can hold

1834
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:35,680
them accountable for what takes place by people that are not affiliated or customers of his bar

1835
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:41,840
things that are happening in the parking lot especially such a large parking lot like what's

1836
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:50,640
out at the plaza so all right the motion before us then is to receive and file this item if you're

1837
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:54,720
in favor of receiving and filing please vote aye if you are opposed to it vote no

1838
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:10,560
alder land alder demark alder harman alder pabone alder frazier aye alder wyce alder jorgensen

1839
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:18,960
alder wydener alder horton alder hages alder allen alder peat

1840
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:27,360
11 ayes 1 no just a comment after the vote and there's questions of consistency i can tell you

1841
02:34:27,360 --> 02:34:32,160
in almost nine years of doing this this city has never taken away a license from anybody we're

1842
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:38,240
pretty consistent about not doing any sort of enforcement in that regard and this is one of

1843
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:43,120
the number one complaints that we get consistently through our community and there's no perfect

1844
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:48,720
rework anybody can come up with to anticipate the frailties of human existence and interactions

1845
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:52,960
around alcohol and people around bar time so i just hope we will continue to take these issues

1846
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:58,160
seriously public safety and licensing should do its due diligence but this is an ongoing challenge

1847
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:02,720
that we continue to hear about here in the city alder peat did you have another item for

1848
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:10,320
separate consideration but yes i do item zero six six zero twenty six communications sponsored

1849
02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:17,200
by myself submitting a new application for a class b retail fermented malt beverage and

1850
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:26,400
intoxicating liquor license for the pedestrian dba danny's grocery and lounge which would be

1851
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:33,520
located in nineteen fifty taylor avenue that's a hotel agent eleventh district recommending

1852
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:39,920
recommendation of the public safety and license committee on july 29th that the communication

1853
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:45,360
sponsored by alder peat submitting a new application for a class b retail fermented malt beverage

1854
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:53,760
and intoxicating liquor license but i'm sorry diversity ink dba danny's grocery and lounge

1855
02:35:53,760 --> 02:36:01,120
located at nineteen fifty taylor avenue dixie patel agent be denied i've moved to approve

1856
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:08,080
that allows to motion to to approve the committee recommendation to deny the license so it's a bit

1857
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:13,280
confusing but the motion is to approve the committee recommendation to deny the license

1858
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:14,160
is there a second

1859
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:20,400
is there a second on the committee recommendation second

1860
02:36:21,920 --> 02:36:23,280
this second

1861
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:27,200
on the circuit oh alder freischer did okay thank you

1862
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:30,240
alder peat would you like to speak to the motion

1863
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:37,840
yes i would start off by saying the committee did look at it thoroughly and followed the

1864
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:46,000
guidelines of based on the zone important over there and the feeling was unanimously unanimous

1865
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:54,560
that the grocery store part and the jelly would be a great fit for the area but we were also

1866
02:36:54,640 --> 02:37:00,560
concerned about some of the public safety issues some of and the fact that i am for

1867
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:06,720
competition happen of study economics extensively myself but and so i believe in

1868
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:14,000
competition however we were concerned about saturation of alcohol consumption of beverages

1869
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:19,440
between actually washing the avenue in 21st street there's another uh...

1870
02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:25,440
establishment of less than a thousand feet from there i think it's a different type of

1871
02:37:25,440 --> 02:37:32,000
license but and i'll ask the attorney's office to speak to that but uh it's just a

1872
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:39,280
extensive amount of alcohol consumption places book carry in as well as inside consumption

1873
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:41,200
that was the initial premises

1874
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:44,480
of the land

1875
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:52,240
yes i'm going to speak against the committee's recommendation on this

1876
02:37:53,040 --> 02:38:00,800
um i like the idea of a grocery store and a deli going in there i remember i'm old enough to

1877
02:38:00,800 --> 02:38:07,440
remember when there was a pigly wiggly store there and i've known danny for many years christianos

1878
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:13,520
is not my district but it's on my way home i stopped there maybe a couple times a month

1879
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:18,400
i've never seen a problem with this business i've never seen anyone loitering there

1880
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:28,720
and i think that um he's not asking for a license to carry out package liquor he's just going to

1881
02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:35,440
have a small area where people can have looked like it's going to be he's going to employ

1882
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:41,920
ten people i think full-time and ten part-time and i i just hate to see another building sitting

1883
02:38:41,920 --> 02:38:46,640
there vacant and i do support this project

1884
02:38:49,920 --> 02:38:50,560
alder hermit

1885
02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:54,880
thank you mayor

1886
02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:03,840
who's district whose district is it's alder land okay i just i just wanted to know

1887
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:13,680
all right so the um forgive me i really don't remember if we have public comments on this

1888
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:19,600
issue do we have public comments on this issue what did the residents say was there a more

1889
02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:26,160
were there more a majority of the residents they came out that spoke against this i i just need

1890
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:33,680
a refresher it alder land if you have that answer or any of the other alders when there was public

1891
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:40,320
comments on this issue how many came out for organs my recollection is it was about split

1892
02:39:40,320 --> 02:39:44,880
it was split completely all right i don't know i wouldn't say exactly but there were people who

1893
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:50,080
came to speak in favor of it there can't speak against it let's let's say that it was split

1894
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:56,400
there's just as many people who are for it there are just as many people who are against it

1895
02:39:56,400 --> 02:40:03,280
then i'm going to go strictly to what our ordinance says out of fairness our ordinance says that

1896
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:13,680
there is a cluster that is already on paper that if there are too many facilities of the same

1897
02:40:13,680 --> 02:40:23,920
nature within a specific area that we should not allow same type business when it's associated

1898
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:32,240
with alcohol or cigarettes or or things like that i want us to stick to what's at what's on here

1899
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:36,720
and if the committee is doing their job i want us to support the committee doing their job

1900
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:41,120
because each and every last one of us know how hard it is to be on a committee when you're trying

1901
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:46,880
to be fair and consistent and so that people can look at each alder is you know one day they this

1902
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:52,960
and one day they that they actually followed what we as the people who voted for them said that they

1903
02:40:52,960 --> 02:41:00,160
that they will do and let's do it so i support the committee and what they are saying because

1904
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:05,360
i understand that they're doing their job to the best of their ability and why they were voted

1905
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:11,360
thank you alderland it sounds like you weren't on commenting i'm so sorry i've moved on to another

1906
02:41:11,360 --> 02:41:18,160
speaker you have the floor well when you said that there were people against and for it was you

1907
02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:24,480
took in at the committee level because tonight i didn't hear anyone speak against it at the committee

1908
02:41:24,480 --> 02:41:30,320
level there were those who spoke in favor and those who spoke against it yes and um i think the

1909
02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:40,880
ones that were against it were competitors um i get the robocalls you know and i had about three

1910
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:45,920
three or four one of them owned a liquor store who was against it that's a competitor

1911
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:53,040
another one didn't tell me if they were a competitor or not i called him back and he never called me

1912
02:41:53,040 --> 02:42:00,080
back another one didn't state their purpose another one email me and asked me some questions

1913
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:07,520
and then never got picked me about that too but tonight you know there was a lot of people that

1914
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:14,800
came to speak for it and i don't know all the harm and we had this petition in our mailbox

1915
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:19,760
of all these people that signed in support of it i don't know if you got it out of your mailbox

1916
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:27,520
yeah but um i didn't really have a lot of objections from people in the 11th district

1917
02:42:28,320 --> 02:42:34,880
that live there but from business owners thank you i'll be drinking some

1918
02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:44,080
yeah i tend to um i tend to go with what the the altar that represents the district

1919
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:50,880
want to say there's 15 of us for a reason and so all their land is in support of it in reading

1920
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:55,680
the materials it did say that there were some staff concerns that they maybe didn't have all

1921
02:42:55,680 --> 02:43:01,840
the occupancy permits yet and there were other things to get um so you know i i don't want to

1922
02:43:01,840 --> 02:43:08,320
make a motion for the the altar of the district but i throwing it out there of maybe potentially

1923
02:43:08,320 --> 02:43:12,560
deferring this until any of the outstanding permits are received and then it can come back

1924
02:43:13,360 --> 02:43:17,200
and that would alleviate a lot of those concerns that were detailed in the report

1925
02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:22,880
i think would be one of the paths forward and i'm seeing some hands on this so i i would move

1926
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:28,480
to defer until all of the outstanding permits are are received for this to item to come back

1927
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:41,360
there's a motion and a second to defer this item um back to committee or defer it and defer it

1928
02:43:41,360 --> 02:43:46,400
back to this defer it but so re are we deferring it or are we referring it back to committee

1929
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:50,560
deferring okay we would defer this item until the relevant permits are obtained

1930
02:43:51,520 --> 02:43:57,120
and it was seconded by alder harman yes um so what we have before us is a motion

1931
02:43:57,680 --> 02:44:03,680
to defer i will just say there were a number of people in the queue to speak on the main motion

1932
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:08,560
we now have a different motion in front of us i will still take them um in the order that they

1933
02:44:08,560 --> 02:44:12,960
were received however if you didn't want to speak on the referral motion but wanted to speak

1934
02:44:12,960 --> 02:44:17,440
on the main motion feel free to unfresher button and we'll take it in the order received

1935
02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:23,440
other jorgensen did you want to speak any further on your motion i would yes so i think what this

1936
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:29,680
gets us is the ability to um allow any of the outstanding permits to be received it allows

1937
02:44:29,680 --> 02:44:34,000
them to move forward with the grocery store portion of it where they can continue to pursue that

1938
02:44:34,480 --> 02:44:39,920
and as those items fall in line it's not denying this so there's not the one-year waiting period

1939
02:44:40,480 --> 02:44:44,160
as this goes forward as a grocery store it's able to come back when it's got the permits

1940
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:50,560
and so i i see it really as an ability for the business order to continue his quest of of

1941
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:55,920
having and operating a grocery store while allowing us to still weigh the concerns that

1942
02:44:55,920 --> 02:44:58,960
we're given in the report but make sure that we're we're doing so fairly

1943
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:07,040
um alder provost thank you sir i want to direct a question to the city attorney

1944
02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:15,360
if possible once he's done talking to you i'm sorry i wanted to direct my question to

1945
02:45:15,360 --> 02:45:21,200
attorney letting please take your question thank you um so i'm just curious as the the granting of

1946
02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:25,840
this particular license is that is this one of those things that this goes without saying that

1947
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:30,960
we also expect them to have the necessary permits in place before they're able to actually use the

1948
02:45:30,960 --> 02:45:38,720
liquor license so we give them the license but they can't just be standing outside where the

1949
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:44,080
store would be selling beer alcohol right or how to can you explain it right and i understand

1950
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:50,960
there hasn't been health department approval yet to maybe some other things um but that is correct

1951
02:45:50,960 --> 02:45:57,200
any any other required um licenses or permits would have to be obtained before they can actually

1952
02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:03,760
engage in business okay i so i will speak against the motion to defer considering that they wouldn't

1953
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:08,400
be able to utilize the license until those other conditions were met anyway thank you

1954
02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:20,800
all right thank you the grocery store portion of this really appeals to me because we do have

1955
02:46:21,440 --> 02:46:31,200
so many areas in our city that are in a food desert so if this is the intent of this would be an actual

1956
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:38,240
mini grocery store i i don't know if there are any plans that exist to show us you know what they

1957
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:44,160
would be selling that it would be actually leaning towards that and not you know just a a convenience

1958
02:46:44,160 --> 02:46:50,400
store with some groceries in it i would love to see that and then of course the ability for someone

1959
02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:56,320
to come in maybe to sip and shop or something we would see that later on down the line but the

1960
02:46:56,400 --> 02:47:01,840
grocery store i would really like to see that to go forward and get all of those permits

1961
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:07,360
together for that portion and then have us come back and address the other portion of this that

1962
02:47:07,360 --> 02:47:14,960
way the community is fully served under wider thank you i just want to clarify what the city

1963
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:20,880
clerk in regards to the liquor license or any license they have to comply with all the

1964
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:28,960
requirements before they get any license and can operate correct city clerk yes so the clerk's

1965
02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:35,440
office does not actually hand the permit over until every department sign office good so even if it

1966
02:47:35,440 --> 02:47:42,400
is approved at council we will still hold it until every other department has been signed on so i

1967
02:47:42,400 --> 02:47:47,760
also have a question for the city attorney there's a little history i believe with this application

1968
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:54,240
this applicant i think this was he had a plan a and now this is plan b can you kind of apprise

1969
02:47:54,240 --> 02:48:00,880
the council before i speak to the deferment regarding the history as to his application

1970
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:12,160
well i'm aware that the business owner sought a zoning change as part of the process this area is

1971
02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:21,760
zoned b1 which would not permit off premises sale of packaged goods also would not permit

1972
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:28,800
the sale of any tobacco products in b1 or in b2 excuse me in b1 i'm sorry so there was a request

1973
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:39,120
for change to b2 that was denied by planning a heritage design commission so it's a b1 district

1974
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:44,560
if the license is granted then he wouldn't be able to sell off premises or tobacco again to be clear

1975
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:54,320
and the class b request here is of course so he can essentially operate a restaurant

1976
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:06,160
thank you so i want to first speak on speak against deferring the item in hope that the next

1977
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:11,520
motion would be to uphold the request of the ultimate of the district to grant this license

1978
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:17,680
and i want to explain why um you're all familiar with the indian motorcycle shop um previous to be

1979
02:49:17,680 --> 02:49:27,360
in the indian motorcycle shop it was the historic district market and in a situation very similar

1980
02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:34,320
to danny um an individual came and invested a lot a lot of money a lot of blood sweat and tears

1981
02:49:34,320 --> 02:49:42,320
into renovating a building bringing in a grocery store a deli a butchers a farmer's market

1982
02:49:43,440 --> 02:49:48,640
state your point of order all their phone thank you stichare um we are speaking supposed to be

1983
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:52,560
speaking on whether or not to defer this into the proper permits i made i can appreciate the

1984
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:57,040
comments but i think that might be more appropriate for the original motion at hand and not this

1985
02:49:57,040 --> 02:50:01,680
your point is well taken the motion before us is to defer the item on the wider if you wanted to

1986
02:50:01,760 --> 02:50:06,720
say those comments tell me the main motion that would be appropriate then i believe that i want

1987
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:12,720
to appeal the ruling of the chair i believe that my comments are perfectly related to the deferment

1988
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:19,600
because it for an individual to move forward making a huge financial investment in a building

1989
02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:24,560
they really need to know or they stand in this community as far as being able to move forward

1990
02:50:24,960 --> 02:50:33,040
with their investment so my comments were related to what it takes for an individual

1991
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:38,080
to make an investment in something like this so why i'm speaking against the so all the

1992
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:42,960
whiteners appeal the ruling of the chair that i concurred with all the pebones point of order

1993
02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:47,760
that the comments of all the whitener were not to remain to the motion before us which is the

1994
02:50:48,320 --> 02:50:55,600
which is the emotion to defer this item um when the clerk calls your name please vote

1995
02:50:55,600 --> 02:51:06,400
as you wish on deferral all their land all their demark all their harmin all their pevone

1996
02:51:09,120 --> 02:51:10,000
all their freezer

1997
02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:22,960
is perhaps to clarify the what what a yes vote in a no vote means a yes vote would uphold the ruling

1998
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:30,000
of the chair a no vote would overrule the ruling of the chair is that correct correct wait what

1999
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:36,240
no well we'll just to be clear sorry let me back up what we are voting right now is

2000
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:42,160
all the whiner challenged the ruling of the chair i withdraw my objection okay

2001
02:51:43,600 --> 02:51:46,720
all the whiner if you could please keep your comments remain to the motion before us please

2002
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:54,240
i have no further comments on the defer deferment okay anyone else would like to comment on the

2003
02:51:54,240 --> 02:51:59,360
motion to defer um please put your name in the queue all their accordion

2004
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:06,640
I was going to speak on something really but that's uh I do support it uh not not being

2005
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:13,360
deferred uh I've said this before about uh business owners coming and investing money and now here's

2006
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:19,120
a business here's a business owner uh of course when we look at all the the premises report and

2007
02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:23,760
all the things that might go against the bar there is not because the business hasn't opened yet

2008
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:28,320
and so we have to wait on the license and so you know are we open for business are we partially

2009
02:52:28,320 --> 02:52:34,880
open for business or what are we doing here so here's here here's I'm supporting the order of the

2010
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:40,720
district uh order land and her distance her district uh she knows the owners uh the other

2011
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:46,400
thing is that place has been sitting there for a long long long time with nothing happening there

2012
02:52:46,400 --> 02:52:53,280
and so uh the the business owner christianos even though unfortunately I have not I pass by a lot

2013
02:52:53,280 --> 02:52:57,520
of times when I work that mixture and I have never been in there before but I've never seen

2014
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:03,040
people hanging out either I've been on PSL I was on PSL for three years never seen the names come

2015
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:10,320
across for any type of violation or anything so I would be in favor of uh not deferring this and

2016
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:17,040
taking action tonight. By way of information the question was posed what um what planning

2017
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:22,720
heritage design did on this issue for the rezoning um and just want to clarify for people we don't

2018
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:26,320
zone by exception on the planning heritage commission in other words we wouldn't change

2019
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:30,880
a zoning ordinance just for one property otherwise well you have a zoning ordinance but there were

2020
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:35,200
concerns about whether or not such a thing would be injurious to the neighborhood it is just a

2021
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:39,440
little more than a block away from the new mental health facility that's being built by the county

2022
02:53:39,440 --> 02:53:44,480
which is meant to address aota related issues it is an area that has a high degree of density of

2023
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:49,360
liquor license is already and is very close to halo so for those reasons it was considered

2024
02:53:49,360 --> 02:53:53,680
something that would be injurious to the neighborhood to be able to do that so those were some of the

2025
02:53:53,680 --> 02:54:00,640
reasons why it was denied by um by planning heritage design I made the the rare exception

2026
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:05,280
of going to a PSL meeting and making that known there I appreciate the tension that's here but

2027
02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:09,440
I just want to make sure people understood why planning and heritage and design took the action

2028
02:54:09,440 --> 02:54:16,720
that I did otherwise I just wanted to quickly say that I'd be against um deferring simply because

2029
02:54:16,720 --> 02:54:22,160
the we've already kind of believed at this point but the permits I mean we always conditionally

2030
02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:28,080
approve and all the permits have to be done so I don't think that has a bearing on a reason to

2031
02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:40,400
defer. Alder de Merck. I'm going to be in favor of deferring it um I I want to do what the alder

2032
02:54:40,400 --> 02:54:50,000
of that district steams is right um as a former resident of that district um it it was utilized as

2033
02:54:50,320 --> 02:54:56,480
a a tool place but I think this would be a great opportunity for the location to have a grocery

2034
02:54:56,480 --> 02:55:03,440
store um we have a lot of food deserts in this city and this is a great way to somewhat help

2035
02:55:03,440 --> 02:55:10,080
out that situation. Uh the closest grocery store I see on the map is piggywiggly and that's a mile

2036
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:15,760
and a half away from the area so I I'm going to move forward to the deferment.

2037
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:28,480
Alder P. Thank you. I would also be in support of deferring the item as others have said especially

2038
02:55:28,480 --> 02:55:35,440
the altar for the district. I know Mr. Patel and actually a customer so I know he does a great

2039
02:55:35,440 --> 02:55:43,040
business and his current store has not had any problems or has been a positive force in the

2040
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:59,440
neighborhood. Thank you. Alder Herman. I just want to I guess it's a question I the um to the

2041
02:55:59,440 --> 02:56:08,320
original sponsor so by deferring it we are saying that they can start the business portion the

2042
02:56:08,320 --> 02:56:18,640
grocery store portion of it. The additional licensee regarding liquor or whatever that is on hold

2043
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:26,720
they need to hold off on that piece until they get the necessary things in order for all of that

2044
02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:35,520
but we are fine just just go over exactly how they benefit who benefits from a deferment at this

2045
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:42,960
time. Alder Jorgensen would you yield to that question? I do uh and I have to do uh inception

2046
02:56:42,960 --> 02:56:48,240
with this but I think ultimately I'm in the queue I would want to hear from the actual altar if

2047
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:53,920
she had supported it because my intention behind it was I was seeing a head nod at looking to see if

2048
02:56:53,920 --> 02:56:59,600
I was making a motion by deferring and really the intention was we don't want to hold up having

2049
02:56:59,600 --> 02:57:03,760
the grocery store portion go through allowing them to go and continue getting their permits for the

2050
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:10,480
grocery store. Um if you those of you may not remember uh Woodman's was another grocery store

2051
02:57:10,480 --> 02:57:14,560
they actually went and did all of their additional permits first and then the last thing they came

2052
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:22,560
to get was the the liquor license so it was that um that was the intention that we weren't holding

2053
02:57:22,560 --> 02:57:30,160
them up. However I guess from my intention if the intent of of the alder from the district was to

2054
02:57:30,160 --> 02:57:37,520
have a decision tonight on it um I would support uh voting no on my motion to have a decision tonight

2055
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:43,360
so I not to answer your question with a question when I think the the real intent was to follow

2056
02:57:43,360 --> 02:57:48,480
along with what the alder of the 11th was looking to do which was either not hold up the project to

2057
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:52,160
keep the grocery store going or if we want a final decision tonight we can do that as well.

2058
02:57:53,440 --> 02:57:57,040
So it's a question for the city attorney if we prove the liquor license does that

2059
02:57:57,040 --> 02:57:58,800
guarantee that there will be a grocery store?

2060
02:58:04,400 --> 02:58:07,600
No it just guarantees the liquor license would be issued.

2061
02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:15,280
Thank you. Um alder Wagner. You have a question for the city attorney to kind of clarify the

2062
02:58:15,280 --> 02:58:20,160
comments made by the mayor regarding the action taken by the planning heritage committee.

2063
02:58:20,160 --> 02:58:28,240
Do we still have a zoning board of review? Is there any board of appeals? Of appeals? We do.

2064
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:36,160
We still have that and would their jurisdiction be if if he was denied a zoning change from a B1

2065
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:42,720
to a B2 where he could sell packaged liquor he could have gone to the zoning board of review.

2066
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:51,520
No that's not what the zoning board of appeals is for. It's for variances and different kinds of zoning

2067
02:58:51,520 --> 02:59:01,600
decisions. It's not changing the zoning of or an exception. You can make an exception like when I

2068
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:06,400
want to put my pool in the front of my yard I went to the zoning board of appeals and said I don't

2069
02:59:06,400 --> 02:59:11,120
have room in the back and I put it toward the front. Right those kinds of things and he could have done

2070
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:19,040
that with the not changing the zoning that doesn't that's the PhD. But he could have an exception to

2071
02:59:19,040 --> 02:59:24,000
the he could have asked for a variance though correct. He could have asked for a variance.

2072
02:59:28,160 --> 02:59:34,080
So the reason I asked that question on the deferral and I don't want to muddy the water

2073
02:59:35,040 --> 02:59:41,600
but I think his preference would have been to have a small section of his store to sell

2074
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:47,280
packaged liquor for people to take away because he couldn't do that then he went to plan B which

2075
02:59:47,280 --> 02:59:54,560
was this little restaurant to be inside the store. So I don't want to muddy the water.

2076
02:59:55,440 --> 03:00:07,440
Yes I have a question for the attorney but first I wanted to make another comment when that property

2077
03:00:07,440 --> 03:00:14,320
is vacant I have to deal with neighborhood enhancement because a lot of people come and dump their

2078
03:00:14,320 --> 03:00:22,160
garbage there and then the city has to go and clean it out. So to have an owner there would be a lot

2079
03:00:22,160 --> 03:00:30,480
better and my question for the attorney is with the application that they put in for the little

2080
03:00:30,480 --> 03:00:39,280
small liquor license to drink inside and the grocery and deli if they don't go with their plan

2081
03:00:39,280 --> 03:00:45,440
then what what would be the alternative. I mean if we granted them the license and then they just

2082
03:00:45,440 --> 03:00:53,280
kept that but I mean you said they don't have to open the store. Well if a liquor license

2083
03:00:54,560 --> 03:01:01,600
we're talking about a big class B license here if that's issued they could operate that kind of a

2084
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:12,560
business consistent with this zoning district which is in in store on premises sale of alcohol by the

2085
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:21,840
class. But the business plan says seating for 12. Well that's true I mean would have

2086
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:27,040
consistent with the business plan that's presented. So they'd have to be consistent with that.

2087
03:01:27,760 --> 03:01:34,880
At least with respect to the restaurant part of it. Thank you. I just want to

2088
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:38,640
there's no guarantee with granting this liquor license that there will be a grocery store in

2089
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:46,240
this establishment. Right because they would not with this license and the

2090
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:51,840
zoning be able to sell packaged goods to go off premises and I guess I think that's

2091
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:55,520
one thing a grocery store might do but there wouldn't be a lot to do that.

2092
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:01,600
There's also discussion at the community level about whether or not you could have

2093
03:02:01,600 --> 03:02:07,600
and still have food stamps at a grocery store that serves liquor in a restaurant capacity.

2094
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:13,280
Did we get clarity on that? Sure. Attorney Poplin researched it. There's no reason that

2095
03:02:13,280 --> 03:02:19,440
we're aware of it would not be able to otherwise qualify for that but it's up to the business

2096
03:02:19,440 --> 03:02:27,760
to apply to get qualified as a federal program. Other questions? Comments? Again what is before

2097
03:02:27,760 --> 03:02:35,360
us is not the motion itself. It is an emotion to defer this item when the order drove into.

2098
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:41,040
I guess I would I would just ask if Alderland yields to a question. Alderland will yield to a

2099
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:48,080
question. She says yes please take your question. With my intent of doing this would you are you

2100
03:02:48,080 --> 03:02:53,200
in favor of deferring or would you rather there be a final decision tonight on it? I would rather

2101
03:02:53,200 --> 03:02:59,360
the final decision come tonight. Okay then I will be voting no on the motion. Does your

2102
03:02:59,360 --> 03:03:06,640
seconder withdraw? Sorry are you with? Okay.

2103
03:03:15,280 --> 03:03:20,800
All right so the motion has been made and seconded it belongs to the it is on the the floor right

2104
03:03:20,800 --> 03:03:27,040
now to vote on that item so the motion before us is to defer this item when the clerk calls your

2105
03:03:27,040 --> 03:03:36,480
name please vote as you wish. Sure again so it is before us is the item to defer so this is not

2106
03:03:36,480 --> 03:03:42,000
the motion on whether or not to grant the license only whether or not we would defer the item until

2107
03:03:42,000 --> 03:03:48,880
a future date when more clarity is granted on permits or grocery stores or whatever clarity

2108
03:03:48,880 --> 03:03:52,880
people are looking for. So when the clerk calls your name all we're voting on isn't whether or not

2109
03:03:52,960 --> 03:03:56,880
to grant the license what we are voting on is whether or not to defer this item and tell a

2110
03:03:56,880 --> 03:04:02,240
future date to get more information. When the clerk calls your name please vote as you wish.

2111
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:05,440
Alderland. Alder DeMark.

2112
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:22,080
Alder Harmon. Alder Pabone. Alder Frazier. No. Alder Weiss.

2113
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:33,840
Alder Jorgensen. No. Alder Widener. No. Alder Horton. No. Alder Hodges. No. Alder Allen. No. Alder Pete.

2114
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:46,960
Ten nose two eyes. The motion to defer fails. This now brings us back to the main motion which was

2115
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:51,920
whether or not to grant the license at this location. We had more people in the queue before on that

2116
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:58,720
if you would like to speak to that primary motion now would be the appropriate time to do that.

2117
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:08,720
Alder Pabone. Thank you Mr. Mayor. So I would support Alderland in this particular instance

2118
03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:13,360
because it is her district but I would say more that we can get into hypotheticals about whether or

2119
03:05:13,360 --> 03:05:17,520
not I mean does this guarantee that there's going to be some type of grocery store in that area or

2120
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:22,160
not but I also do think that there's something to be said that this particular person has been

2121
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:27,040
in this community for a really really long time. I mean I've been in Cristianos I've been around

2122
03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:34,320
that area friends you know that go way way way back. So I think that any of the businesses that

2123
03:05:34,320 --> 03:05:41,440
present a dual you know purpose for their business could do something like that hypothetically but I

2124
03:05:41,440 --> 03:05:46,400
also think that there are things in place that we can do to rectify situations like that so

2125
03:05:46,400 --> 03:05:51,120
I would support the Alder and in her wish for us to approve this license. Thank you.

2126
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:55,280
Alder Frazier.

2127
03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:08,560
Alder Frazier you have the floor. Yeah so I this is this is a weird moment for it's not a weird it

2128
03:06:09,440 --> 03:06:17,680
it's very how can I say I'm troubled because I want to be consistent I want to be fair I want

2129
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:23,360
to support Alderland because I respect her and she knows her district best. However Kamo

2130
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:32,560
wanted the biggest things that one of the biggest issues that I consistently almost two years being

2131
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:41,360
on the council get beat up on is the amount of places in our city that sells beer alcohol

2132
03:06:41,360 --> 03:06:50,720
packaged on package you name it people are upset and or people are concerned and you know we

2133
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:58,240
you know the reason why I voted not to defer is because the issue still stands on where

2134
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:08,320
on the amount of places in our city that sells liquor and I think that that is a question

2135
03:07:08,320 --> 03:07:15,760
and a conversation that really needs to be had as to how are we permitting these places

2136
03:07:16,480 --> 03:07:23,920
and so I'm really conflicted with this issue I want to see the development I want to see the

2137
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:29,440
grocery store I want to see the deli all of the good things I come with it is just do we actually

2138
03:07:29,440 --> 03:07:37,840
need another place considering there are multiple places around that area that that readily have

2139
03:07:37,840 --> 03:07:44,560
alcohol available do we want to see another place in close vicinity that sells the same thing

2140
03:07:44,560 --> 03:07:51,200
and so that's what I'm wrestling with I agree with the development I just having a hard time

2141
03:07:51,200 --> 03:08:00,480
agreeing and supporting the license itself otherwise um is it within the thousand feet

2142
03:08:02,080 --> 03:08:06,320
you know the proximity you mentioned that and I know that that's one of the criteria you we use

2143
03:08:06,320 --> 03:08:16,320
as a committee it's just the geographic limitation applies to class a licenses this is a class b

2144
03:08:16,400 --> 03:08:20,640
we don't have a geographic limitation the ordinances for class bs thank you

2145
03:08:20,640 --> 03:08:25,840
oh just as a point of information I know we've been working on the zoning code rewrite we did the

2146
03:08:26,480 --> 03:08:31,360
comprehensive plan with the city pulled over a thousand members of the community and the things

2147
03:08:31,360 --> 03:08:36,640
that they said they wanted to see less of were more bars liquor stores and payday loans and so

2148
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:42,720
in the draft of that rewrite both classifications of liquor of liquor licenses would fall within

2149
03:08:42,720 --> 03:08:47,280
that geographic restriction although it does not currently. Alderman.

2150
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:57,840
Thank you uh in Kenosha on at the intersection of 22nd in Washington there is

2151
03:09:00,480 --> 03:09:06,880
there is a restaurant it is a restaurant convenience store with you know the sales chips and things

2152
03:09:06,880 --> 03:09:12,640
like that but they have a hot cold deli which surprisingly has really good food and good portions

2153
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:19,520
and then it does sell some alcohol that is not packaged you know you drink it there so

2154
03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:28,880
I've seen this mixed use space in real time but it does not advertise itself as a grocery store

2155
03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:38,320
and I think you know what really again attracts me is anything that works to combat our food

2156
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:45,200
deserts in the city every scene so just try I don't want this to be a place that says

2157
03:09:45,840 --> 03:09:52,960
you know I can make this be more palatable to the people that have to vote on this if I say

2158
03:09:52,960 --> 03:10:00,080
I'm going to attach some food to this license and so when you say that there isn't any guarantee

2159
03:10:00,080 --> 03:10:05,760
that kind of concerns me because the guarantee would come from the person who's asking for this

2160
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:11,600
license and they would be able to stand in front of us and say this is what this grocery store is

2161
03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:16,560
going to look like and how it is going to serve the community and then oh by the way they can

2162
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:22,080
sit while they shop so I'm not seeing that and I don't know if we've seen anything that you

2163
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:27,920
would suggest that it will be that so that there is my concern because I always am going to

2164
03:10:28,480 --> 03:10:35,840
respect the other in the district but I would hope that someone would be able to give this

2165
03:10:35,840 --> 03:10:41,600
information because if this is just cosplaying gaslighting then the community would not be

2166
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:48,240
best served especially in the community location where it is going to be you've heard that it's

2167
03:10:48,240 --> 03:10:53,200
going to be in a very vulnerable part of our community it should lead first with the things

2168
03:10:53,280 --> 03:10:58,640
that are going to best serve the community and anything else after that would be an add-on.

2169
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:11,760
All right. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I would say that the altar of the district does have a petition

2170
03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:16,640
that has been signed by people. We have seen numerous people here tonight speak in favor of this

2171
03:11:16,640 --> 03:11:22,720
which has been the guiding line for some of my colleagues with past issues with how many people

2172
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:28,560
show up to speak as well whether that be a committee and or here in the council. I will say

2173
03:11:28,560 --> 03:11:35,280
that to all their Allen's point we do have in the business plan where it says Mr. Patel intends to

2174
03:11:35,280 --> 03:11:40,000
operate a combination grocery store in tavern that sells groceries deli sandwiches hot food and

2175
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:46,160
alcohol by the glass which is in the old location of Ace Hardware on Taylor Avenue. So there is

2176
03:11:46,160 --> 03:11:51,680
some stuff in there especially with the with the business plan that has been approved or at least

2177
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:56,320
you know gone through. So I do think that's a distinction to make there as well as

2178
03:11:57,680 --> 03:12:02,560
again back to my earlier point they've been here they've they've shown that they're going to be

2179
03:12:02,560 --> 03:12:08,960
invested and I know that doesn't always have to come with a license to sell alcohol but again I

2180
03:12:08,960 --> 03:12:13,200
have to go back with with all the land and the work that her and her constituents have done

2181
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:20,480
to to try to plead their case. So I know that the we are speaking right now on the motion to deny

2182
03:12:20,480 --> 03:12:24,240
but I would like to make a motion to approve the license.

2183
03:12:31,520 --> 03:12:37,120
I don't think that's an order. I think what we have it is an order to do is not. Yeah it's not

2184
03:12:37,120 --> 03:12:43,120
an order at this time. So if the motion to deny the license fails then a subsequent motion after

2185
03:12:43,120 --> 03:12:46,000
that to approve would be in order. Okay thank you.

2186
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:48,640
I'll go to Mark.

2187
03:12:53,680 --> 03:13:03,200
Again this is this is going to be a grocery store slash deli with some alcohol. I can understand

2188
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:09,680
if it's like Michelle the bar down the street or my wife first bar I get that I understand that

2189
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:17,520
but this is a thing. The plan that they put together is a well thought plan.

2190
03:13:18,480 --> 03:13:23,440
It's better than other plans that were presented to the council in the past where it was handwritten

2191
03:13:24,640 --> 03:13:29,600
where my seven year old niece would have done a better job of writing it.

2192
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:38,640
I'm still going to be voting for this so I'm going to be voting no for denial.

2193
03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:54,400
All right thank you. I have always said that I will support the

2194
03:13:55,440 --> 03:14:03,920
order on a decision that they made because they should understand their district

2195
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:11,280
and I've also always said that I'm going to follow policies that are written because as

2196
03:14:11,280 --> 03:14:18,240
soon as we go out start going outside of policies and what we have voted on and established by

2197
03:14:18,240 --> 03:14:26,080
people then we get in a situation that at a federal level people are just doing what they

2198
03:14:26,080 --> 03:14:31,200
want to do and I'm following any rules and got people putting people into positions.

2199
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:42,640
So I love this deep and rich energetic conversation. I'm stuck between a rock and a

2200
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:52,160
hard place because both of those things I really do support but I think that a business plan can

2201
03:14:52,240 --> 03:15:07,120
be well-meaning and I believe that an owner can have the best public business attitude vibe

2202
03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:16,480
energy at where they are for years and years but they haven't been in a situation where they've

2203
03:15:16,480 --> 03:15:23,600
been in that location serving alcohol with people who will drink it at that location

2204
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:33,360
get in a car and leave and people within that area come in and drink it at silly and have

2205
03:15:34,320 --> 03:15:44,000
and a lot of different things in that location that is close to other alcohol selling places

2206
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:53,760
and schools and halos where there are people who are actually in halo doing programs to prevent

2207
03:15:53,760 --> 03:16:00,240
addictions to alcohol and addictions to other drugs and then to be within a vicinity that they

2208
03:16:00,240 --> 03:16:10,480
could actually get that with a dinner and a sandwich you know it kind of you know I support the

2209
03:16:11,440 --> 03:16:19,680
committee and the reasons behind why they said that that that this license should not be granted

2210
03:16:19,680 --> 03:16:24,000
at this time.

2211
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:30,720
Alder Jorgensen and then we'll go to Alder Frazier. I guess I just have a question to

2212
03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:36,320
I think this may be the city attorney but maybe the committee who talked with the owner on it

2213
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:43,120
looking through the business plan it looks like it's $50,000 a month estimated sale from alcoholic

2214
03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:49,680
beverages and 30,000 from food is that consistent with what the proposal was for like a sip and

2215
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:55,040
shop or I just I know what's been described as like a sip oil shop kind of a thing is that what

2216
03:16:55,040 --> 03:17:03,680
we see from like other applications. Are you directing a question at the city? Yeah I guess

2217
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:06,720
I will go to the city attorney unless somebody from the committee could give a little more

2218
03:17:06,720 --> 03:17:11,360
background and I just the reason I'm going through the business plan is it sounds like if that's

2219
03:17:11,360 --> 03:17:14,800
what we're relying on doing sure that there's a grocery store I just want to make sure that

2220
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:21,200
we're all set with it that it be 50,000 a month in alcohol and 30,000 from food is that is that

2221
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:27,920
consistent with other. If it's all right other Jorgensen I'd like to direct your question to

2222
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:35,200
the city clerk. This is a unique application and that typically when we get the sales it is

2223
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:43,280
either a class A convenience store or a class B bar. I'm not aware of any full class Bs in the

2224
03:17:43,280 --> 03:17:51,120
city of Racine that have a grocery store and a bar so is it typical of other establishments?

2225
03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:56,800
I don't really have any data to go off of. And so then I guess this portion of it would be for

2226
03:17:56,800 --> 03:18:01,280
the city attorney because it sounds like everyone has agreement that we'd love a grocery store there.

2227
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:08,880
If this main motion were to fail in a subsequent motion were to be made, is there anything that

2228
03:18:08,880 --> 03:18:14,960
can be made in that subsequent motion to somehow ensure that there would be a grocery store

2229
03:18:14,960 --> 03:18:28,720
component with this?

2230
03:18:30,480 --> 03:18:36,960
The premise of the description anticipates there will be a grocery store. That's always an issue with

2231
03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:48,720
liquor licenses to make sure. The alcohol beverage part of this is just a small bar

2232
03:18:50,400 --> 03:18:57,920
according to the description, a small bar along the back wall of the grocery store. There will

2233
03:18:57,920 --> 03:19:04,560
be a small bar with seating its tools for 12 people, four top tables, two couches, alcohol,

2234
03:19:04,560 --> 03:19:11,760
B store and served in the front of the bar. The alcohol beverage part of the premises is

2235
03:19:11,760 --> 03:19:22,560
just this deli counter that's at the back. The city clerk had something she wanted to add here.

2236
03:19:23,760 --> 03:19:30,480
If the council so wished you could limit the premise description to only allow the sales

2237
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:35,920
storage and serving of alcohol to be within a certain location of the floor plan.

2238
03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:40,880
That might get to the point of what the council is attempting to do.

2239
03:19:43,680 --> 03:19:54,000
I guess I think the intent was more of to ensure that there is the grocery store

2240
03:19:54,000 --> 03:20:01,600
component to it. I think it's more so reading the room that there's a high interest in getting

2241
03:20:01,600 --> 03:20:08,640
this approved for the grocery store component but there's some hesitancy on making sure that that

2242
03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:13,760
would be a part of it. To ensure that we can get this approved I'm just trying to see if the city

2243
03:20:13,760 --> 03:20:19,200
attorney has something that can be included in a potential subsequent motion to maybe alleviate

2244
03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:24,720
those concerns around it no longer having the grocery store component to it.

2245
03:20:28,400 --> 03:20:35,440
Well the premises description includes a grocery store so I think if you approve this

2246
03:20:35,440 --> 03:20:42,960
on the condition that a grocery store is also opened that is what is anticipated in the application.

2247
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:50,960
So I guess to hear that right for those that may be concerned around approving it that the

2248
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:57,280
grocery store may not come to fruition. Any subsequent motion could be made approval with

2249
03:20:57,280 --> 03:21:02,560
the condition that the business plan be followed requiring a grocery store.

2250
03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:12,000
Yes. So I think that there hopefully should alleviate a lot of the concerns around this because

2251
03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:16,400
we have someone who's in the community we can require that the grocery store component be there

2252
03:21:16,400 --> 03:21:20,960
and so the fear that it would just basically become a bar and there'd be no longer any food

2253
03:21:20,960 --> 03:21:26,880
there that would go against what the new motion would be and so we would be requiring that there

2254
03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:34,720
be a grocery store as part of this. I think if you make the motion conditioned upon that that can

2255
03:21:34,720 --> 03:21:40,960
be enforced. Well so since we're still in the main motion I guess we'll hold off on that but

2256
03:21:40,960 --> 03:21:44,400
I'm seeing some heads-knot of that may be a route to go with this.

2257
03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:54,320
All right, did you want to speak? Did you want to speak one more time? You were in the queue and

2258
03:21:54,320 --> 03:22:04,160
then it disappeared. Kel, I think I'll reserve my comments for the next motion. Should there be one?

2259
03:22:04,160 --> 03:22:13,360
I'm going to do something that I don't usually do which is yield the chair to the

2260
03:22:14,160 --> 03:22:20,080
council president to make comments on the motion.

2261
03:22:34,160 --> 03:22:51,440
The chair recognizes the maker. All right, thanks very much. It's an unusual thing for me to come

2262
03:22:51,440 --> 03:22:56,720
down and offer comments on a particular application but I did want to put it in a larger context

2263
03:22:56,720 --> 03:23:01,440
and express concerns about it and where it came through for the planning heritage and design

2264
03:23:01,440 --> 03:23:06,240
and I just don't want to confuse the desire that all of us have for grocery stores to address

2265
03:23:06,240 --> 03:23:11,120
the food deserts as being the same thing as granting a liquor license because they're not the same

2266
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:16,640
thing. Again this came through planning heritage and design for a variance on a specific site to

2267
03:23:16,640 --> 03:23:22,000
do this. I will just reiterate when we look at conditional use permits and we look at zoning

2268
03:23:22,000 --> 03:23:26,400
changes one of the things we consider under the statutes is whether or not the activity would be

2269
03:23:26,400 --> 03:23:32,000
this is the statutory language injurious to the neighborhood. This is already an area with a

2270
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:37,680
lot of density for liquor license as it is. It is also the same neighborhood that Halo is in

2271
03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:42,480
at the workforce development center is in and at the new mental health facility which is built

2272
03:23:42,480 --> 03:23:46,960
to address mental illness a big part of which or a substantial part of which will be mental

2273
03:23:46,960 --> 03:23:52,880
health but also alcohol and other drug abuse related issues. So I am concerned about the number

2274
03:23:52,880 --> 03:23:57,440
of liquor licenses we have in the city broadly. Again if you look at the comprehensive plan

2275
03:23:57,440 --> 03:24:02,720
and serving members of this community they want fewer bars they want fewer liquor stores and they

2276
03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:06,960
want fewer payday loans and pawn shops. They want more quality of life things like what we're doing

2277
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:10,960
with the King Center like what we're doing with the parks at Lakeview and less of those things.

2278
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:16,960
There is no shortage of places to go to buy alcohol in this community and in this particular

2279
03:24:16,960 --> 03:24:21,760
neighborhood you do not have to go far to find several places to buy alcohol so people will not

2280
03:24:21,760 --> 03:24:28,400
go without if their desire is to purchase alcohol. So adding one more liquor license in a highly

2281
03:24:28,400 --> 03:24:33,840
dense area that already has a number of liquor license already in a community where we get many

2282
03:24:33,840 --> 03:24:40,240
complaints on an ongoing basis on how the Halo residents interact in the community and what

2283
03:24:40,240 --> 03:24:46,560
happens during the day and the concerns about alcohol consumption already to me one more liquor

2284
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:51,440
license would be one more injurious additional concern that I would have about putting this

2285
03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:58,160
particular location in that space. I'm a hundred percent for the grocery store and the deli that

2286
03:24:58,160 --> 03:25:04,480
sounds amazing. At PS&L when the applicant was asked would you still open the grocery store if

2287
03:25:04,480 --> 03:25:11,680
you can get the license he said yes then he was asked again by one of the elders and then he said

2288
03:25:11,680 --> 03:25:16,400
well that's not a fair question that's not a fair question. I'm sure he would prefer the liquor

2289
03:25:16,400 --> 03:25:21,360
license to help with sales. I don't put grudge him as a small business owner wanting to do that

2290
03:25:21,360 --> 03:25:25,760
but I want to be really clear about the concerns that I have. I debated about whether or not to

2291
03:25:25,760 --> 03:25:29,680
even come down here because people that I usually agree with I think you're going to vote against

2292
03:25:29,680 --> 03:25:34,960
me on this and that's okay but as the mayor who's been trying to turn some of these issues around

2293
03:25:34,960 --> 03:25:39,520
around homelessness and around density in the neighborhoods and big areas of concern that we

2294
03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:44,240
hear in this place is I just feel like I would be remiss if I didn't raise those issues. I don't

2295
03:25:44,240 --> 03:25:48,160
enjoy disagreeing with people I usually agree with. I certainly respect the alder of the district

2296
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:54,080
in her assessment that this would be a good addition but I really think we've got to separate

2297
03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:58,880
the request for a grocery store which we all love which I think would pass unanimously and

2298
03:25:58,880 --> 03:26:04,080
whether there's a necessity for yet another liquor license in a neighborhood that is saturated

2299
03:26:04,080 --> 03:26:10,080
with them already and has people with real risk issues in that space. So my plea to you all is

2300
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:16,000
to reconsider doing the liquor license let's let's get them going with the grocery store and if

2301
03:26:16,000 --> 03:26:21,280
it's actually open and running maybe we want to look at it another year and reconsider but I don't

2302
03:26:21,280 --> 03:26:26,000
think this is the space where we should do another liquor license and I think we've got to stop

2303
03:26:26,000 --> 03:26:30,880
equating liquor licenses with grocery stores if it's a real grocery store and it opens and it's

2304
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:36,160
that way let's let's look at it but I feel like it's the justification for another liquor license

2305
03:26:36,240 --> 03:26:40,640
that I don't think that we need in that neighborhood again I may lose on this but I feel like I would

2306
03:26:40,640 --> 03:26:44,640
be really remiss given the issues we're dealing on on redevelopment and tension points in the

2307
03:26:44,640 --> 03:26:59,440
community to not say that out loud thank you alder whitener thank you I guess if you're wrong long

2308
03:26:59,440 --> 03:27:04,720
enough history does repeat itself the comments I was going to make earlier was in regards to

2309
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:12,480
another initiative just like what is being proposed at 1950 Taylor Avenue and that was the market

2310
03:27:12,480 --> 03:27:18,960
the historic district market that was on 6th Street where the Indian motorcycle shop is now I remember

2311
03:27:18,960 --> 03:27:27,920
when they developed they had a liquor license in that they had a grocery store they had a small

2312
03:27:28,480 --> 03:27:34,880
area where they served wine and that went with the deli they had a big farmers market the back

2313
03:27:34,880 --> 03:27:42,400
they had a butcher shop they had the deli and that business failed because there is such a small

2314
03:27:42,400 --> 03:27:48,880
margin of profit on just a grocery store if you look at any of the grocery stores in and around

2315
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:56,880
we're seeing every single one sells liquor to go which this operation first wanted to do but wasn't

2316
03:27:56,880 --> 03:28:06,240
able to so then he went to plan B it's great to say yeah we we just want a grocery store but

2317
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:13,120
it's almost impossible to have a business with just a grocery store you have to make a profit

2318
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:22,800
and you can't make a profit with just a a grocery store I hope that the council will vote down

2319
03:28:23,760 --> 03:28:33,200
denying this license and reconsider there are enough protections in place and and we know

2320
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:38,640
dandy he's been in operation for 15 years he's got a grocery store a block and a half away from

2321
03:28:38,640 --> 03:28:44,320
halo he's not had any incidents whatsoever the grocery store he intends to open as a block away

2322
03:28:44,320 --> 03:28:49,760
and this is exactly what we want for our immigrants when they come to our country they start a small

2323
03:28:49,840 --> 03:28:58,320
business and then they expand so I hope that the council will vote down the denial of this license

2324
03:28:58,320 --> 03:29:04,240
and support him in support business he is the one that's taking the financial risk and it's great

2325
03:29:04,240 --> 03:29:08,560
the things that the mayor talks about what the government is doing what the city is doing to

2326
03:29:08,560 --> 03:29:13,680
improve things it's a different story when it's your own money that that you're putting out there

2327
03:29:13,680 --> 03:29:20,000
investing in risking like mr. Patel is doing with this business so I hope the council will

2328
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:27,920
support and encourage other businesses in receipt because believe me our reputation as not being

2329
03:29:27,920 --> 03:29:37,120
business friendly it has a ripple effect and like I said I hope we support this man being able to

2330
03:29:37,120 --> 03:29:41,840
expand his business and treat it like any other grocery store that we would

2331
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:54,320
I thank you the chair recognizes all their Allen okay thank you so I did make the comment earlier

2332
03:29:54,320 --> 03:30:03,280
about new deserts shopping and sipping and you know the vulnerability of the place in the city

2333
03:30:03,280 --> 03:30:10,880
where this license is going to exist we cannot look at this like apples and oranges I don't know

2334
03:30:11,520 --> 03:30:18,240
if the business that all the wider was describing earlier you know even I'm familiar with the Indian

2335
03:30:18,240 --> 03:30:24,000
motorcycle place and the bar that's on top of it now all of what you've described but if it was on

2336
03:30:24,000 --> 03:30:30,480
6th Street that is not where we're talking about right now so that community is completely different

2337
03:30:31,280 --> 03:30:36,320
the vulnerability over there is completely different and access to food is different

2338
03:30:36,320 --> 03:30:43,680
so I guess while we have grocery stores that are grocery stores determined by the square footage

2339
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:50,560
that is allowed for food and the square footage in the store that is allowed for alcohol we know

2340
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:57,440
that that is what really determines that it is a grocery store we have quick trips now that are

2341
03:30:57,440 --> 03:31:04,480
in existence that are just as little mini they're doing the best in your little spaces right now

2342
03:31:04,480 --> 03:31:09,760
they've grown actually from just a little yogurt that you could purchase to now you go in there

2343
03:31:09,760 --> 03:31:15,200
and actually get a shopping cart and you can do actual grocery shopping so in my mind when I'm

2344
03:31:15,200 --> 03:31:21,360
looking and hearing you know we're going to have a grocery store I'm really looking for the grocery

2345
03:31:21,360 --> 03:31:27,520
store and someone's saying well we're going to have alcohol not again trying to just tag on

2346
03:31:27,520 --> 03:31:35,680
grocery store because it sounds good we do really have to be cognizant of the people that we are

2347
03:31:35,680 --> 03:31:41,680
serving and yes if if that person is really interested in having a grocery store they will

2348
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:47,120
just like other businesses that I've said this about if that's really what you want and you really

2349
03:31:47,200 --> 03:31:51,360
want to preach to the choir about how you want to be the answer to the food desert then you're

2350
03:31:51,360 --> 03:31:58,320
going to have a grocery store no matter what it's sort of like how johnson's is using their money to

2351
03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:04,400
do their golf course and they say they're not going to receive anything back from that that is

2352
03:32:04,400 --> 03:32:10,800
something you're doing for the community so we really have to be aware of how we are serving

2353
03:32:10,800 --> 03:32:19,280
different areas in our community and what that means and when you go into a poor challenged

2354
03:32:19,280 --> 03:32:25,840
neighborhood and you introduce things that are easy addictions you have to be responsible for

2355
03:32:25,840 --> 03:32:32,320
those outcomes and we are responsible for finances we are responsible for what the city looks like

2356
03:32:32,320 --> 03:32:38,720
we are responsible for how we message to our children and to our families and so it doesn't

2357
03:32:38,720 --> 03:32:42,960
mean that everyone that comes along says they want to spend money in our community

2358
03:32:42,960 --> 03:32:48,320
that we have to say all gold is not good gold so we have to be aware and this is a very hard

2359
03:32:48,320 --> 03:32:53,920
struggle for me because what really is holding me back is I can't really see this as a grocery

2360
03:32:53,920 --> 03:33:00,720
store because I see this as a tagline and that's why i'm asking what does the grocery store portion

2361
03:33:00,720 --> 03:33:06,800
look like because if it's leading with that that takes away from some of the sting in that location

2362
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:13,840
if it's leading with alcohol with a banana then it's not serving the community in a specific way

2363
03:33:18,320 --> 03:33:22,080
there are people in the queue but there has been a motion to call the question is there

2364
03:33:22,080 --> 03:33:28,320
there's a second to call the question um I will say all their pobon was the only other one in the

2365
03:33:28,320 --> 03:33:34,400
queue so it sounds like he's he's taking himself out so that does empty the queue um so with that

2366
03:33:34,400 --> 03:33:41,040
we're back to the main motion now which is to approve the recommendation from the committee

2367
03:33:41,040 --> 03:33:48,880
which was to deny so a yes vote denies the application a no vote would bring us right back here again

2368
03:33:48,880 --> 03:33:54,640
where we would be in search of a new motion then so with that i'll have the clerk open the roll

2369
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:57,040
oh yes

2370
03:33:59,280 --> 03:34:00,000
alderland

2371
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:02,560
alder demark

2372
03:34:04,000 --> 03:34:04,800
alder harman

2373
03:34:06,320 --> 03:34:07,120
alder pobon

2374
03:34:08,720 --> 03:34:09,520
alder frasier

2375
03:34:10,480 --> 03:34:10,960
he died

2376
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:12,640
alder wyse

2377
03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:17,200
alder jorgensen apologies you're chairing

2378
03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:19,760
alder wydener

2379
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:22,480
alder horton

2380
03:34:23,280 --> 03:34:24,800
alder hodges

2381
03:34:27,280 --> 03:34:28,080
alder alan

2382
03:34:36,320 --> 03:34:36,960
alder peep

2383
03:34:43,920 --> 03:34:47,600
that would be four eyes six nose one abstain

2384
03:34:52,480 --> 03:34:53,440
i see you are you

2385
03:34:55,280 --> 03:34:59,280
point of information is what okay if you want to push your button i can recognize you

2386
03:34:59,520 --> 03:34:59,840
oops

2387
03:35:01,120 --> 03:35:04,400
would you state your point of information please thank you sir just want to clarify an

2388
03:35:04,400 --> 03:35:10,320
app set and i'm being abstain well abstaining also counts in the negative right

2389
03:35:11,600 --> 03:35:12,320
so like a no

2390
03:35:15,520 --> 03:35:17,520
it's on but i'm not sure

2391
03:35:19,040 --> 03:35:20,960
mine oh mine's not on oh there we go okay

2392
03:35:21,920 --> 03:35:26,720
the microphone lights we're on but we uh i would ask the city attorney i think to weigh in on that

2393
03:35:27,920 --> 03:35:30,000
if you have you push your button

2394
03:35:35,040 --> 03:35:38,000
in this instance it does have the effect of a no-boating

2395
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:48,880
all right so that means that the the motion then fails

2396
03:35:50,320 --> 03:35:57,520
and so we are on the search then for a new motion i see alder pebone practically leaping

2397
03:35:57,520 --> 03:36:04,080
out of his chair to be next yes thank you mr chair i would motion to approve conditionally

2398
03:36:04,160 --> 03:36:09,280
upon them following the business plan that they'll have a grocery store as the attorney alluded to

2399
03:36:09,280 --> 03:36:18,800
earlier second you have the the clerk i would like to ask a quick question i just want to clarify

2400
03:36:18,800 --> 03:36:25,600
because there is such thing as a conditional license yes are you approved you're approving a

2401
03:36:25,600 --> 03:36:29,600
or significant making on the condition that they have the grocery store as follow the business plan

2402
03:36:29,600 --> 03:36:34,880
at the grocery store okay so under the condition that they have it before they are issued their

2403
03:36:34,880 --> 03:36:40,160
liquor license or under that it is a conditional permit and they have six months before they have

2404
03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:46,160
to come back to the psl committee to approve or deny the form of liquor license sorry the term

2405
03:36:46,160 --> 03:36:51,760
it the verbiage means two things so i want to make sure could the attorney advise on the best sure

2406
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:59,280
so there is by ordinance a conditional grant of license that require it gives the applicant six

2407
03:36:59,280 --> 03:37:04,080
months to complete work obtain all necessary permits and start operating under the license

2408
03:37:04,080 --> 03:37:11,200
okay the council may also impose reasonable conditions for the issuance of a license

2409
03:37:11,920 --> 03:37:17,280
so you could do either or both well i guess i wouldn't suggest both if you're going to grant

2410
03:37:17,280 --> 03:37:22,880
a grant a conditional license so they have to complete work obtain permits and be operating

2411
03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:29,120
within six months that's one thing you could also issue the license upon the condition that

2412
03:37:29,120 --> 03:37:35,440
you follow the business plan including operating a grocery store that which one is number number

2413
03:37:35,440 --> 03:37:40,400
two adoption number two and so if i could i think just to clarify for everyone because there was

2414
03:37:40,400 --> 03:37:45,520
a second but if we can have the clerk just clarify what what that means to you then as far as when

2415
03:37:45,520 --> 03:37:49,680
it's being issued and and what the plan would be and then if somebody were to make a second on it

2416
03:37:49,760 --> 03:37:54,560
that would be it would be clarified we've two of them were combined i think thank you for the

2417
03:37:54,560 --> 03:38:02,720
question so defining a grocery store is extremely hard by anything that i have in the clerk's office

2418
03:38:03,360 --> 03:38:08,720
if you were to approve a conditional license it would go back before the public safety and

2419
03:38:08,720 --> 03:38:16,240
licensing committee to determine if what has been done is good enough so it takes the condition

2420
03:38:16,240 --> 03:38:22,080
off of me as the clerk to decide yes this is a grocery store or no it's not and puts it back in

2421
03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:28,320
the hands of the council okay legislative 101 so i like that i like the ability because i think

2422
03:38:28,320 --> 03:38:33,920
that kind of goes along with some of the concerns raised or if we're seeing these issues arise

2423
03:38:34,480 --> 03:38:39,200
more than at that time the public safety and licensing committee would have the ability to act

2424
03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:44,800
so i would motion to approve conditionally where they would have to come back in six months before

2425
03:38:45,120 --> 03:38:51,840
ps&l committee so make a motion to essentially approve a conditional license for the applicant

2426
03:38:51,840 --> 03:38:56,320
under the terms that they would come back before the committee in six months to see if it's being

2427
03:38:56,320 --> 03:39:02,320
extended approved or denied yes attorney let me can i clarify if that works from

2428
03:39:02,320 --> 03:39:07,600
that works and i think if we can also reference the particular ordinance section

2429
03:39:08,160 --> 03:39:13,360
which is section 6-41 of the receipt code of ordinances which provides for this

2430
03:39:14,800 --> 03:39:19,040
okay so if the so if the chair could just clarify for everyone because that's a lot

2431
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:25,920
I'm motioning to have a conditional approval of the license if i can state i think it would be

2432
03:39:25,920 --> 03:39:33,840
a motion to approve a conditional grant of the license pursuant to section 6-41 of the receipt

2433
03:39:33,840 --> 03:39:41,680
code of ordinances that has the six-month provision in some mode second all right so we have a

2434
03:39:41,680 --> 03:39:48,560
motion from alder pabone second from originally alder harman was so all their

2435
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:52,560
freezer she'll yield to all their freezer so motion from alder pabone second from alder

2436
03:39:52,560 --> 03:39:58,320
freezer the queue is empty if you were looking to speak on this new motion um now would be the

2437
03:39:58,320 --> 03:40:03,520
time otherwise we'll go back to alder pabone to speak to your emotion i have it just at this

2438
03:40:03,520 --> 03:40:07,920
point i think we've all said a lot so i would just call the question well alder

2439
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:12,480
freezer did raise his hand um as the maker of the motion though i would have the floor right

2440
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:16,880
so i would be have the ability to call question correct yes you can call the question i would

2441
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:22,720
call question that all right so the motion has been made uh to call the question by alder

2442
03:40:24,800 --> 03:40:30,080
alder harman did second day um so it's been motioned in second to call the question although i do see

2443
03:40:30,080 --> 03:40:36,400
alder freezer took his hand down um you know yeah it's fine i don't have to speak to it okay

2444
03:40:36,400 --> 03:40:41,440
then there was no one else in the queue so i think we can save a a round of yeses to do it um that

2445
03:40:41,440 --> 03:40:48,880
would bring us back to the motion and just to clarify it's a motion for a conditional license

2446
03:40:49,760 --> 03:40:54,480
that would grant it they would have to come back in six months with there's the specific

2447
03:40:54,480 --> 03:40:59,200
ordinance that was cited to do that but the the description of it is they would have to come back

2448
03:40:59,200 --> 03:41:04,480
and then it would be uh the public safety and licensing committee deciding if what was done

2449
03:41:04,480 --> 03:41:09,040
meets with their definition of the grocery store would be and then they would be at that time

2450
03:41:09,040 --> 03:41:15,360
deciding whether to extend it uh or not so i see a lot of head knots from both sides i think i

2451
03:41:15,360 --> 03:41:20,000
think it's something up good so with that the clerk will open the roll then alder land

2452
03:41:20,960 --> 03:41:33,120
alder demark alder herman alder pebone alder freezer aye alder wyce alder george alder whitener

2453
03:41:34,560 --> 03:41:46,640
alder horton alder hodges alder allen alder peat eleven eyes zero nose okay with that the

2454
03:41:46,640 --> 03:42:01,600
motion carries uh looks like we will do a little bit of musical chairs

2455
03:42:08,000 --> 03:42:14,640
okay um alder peat did you have any other items for separate consideration on your report

2456
03:42:14,720 --> 03:42:20,000
no i do not then without objection the remainder of these items will go to the consent agenda

2457
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:25,680
and then i will move on to president jorgensen on the final item which is a direct referral

2458
03:42:26,400 --> 03:42:31,920
due to timeliness um alder jorgensen uh have you had any requests for separate consideration on

2459
03:42:31,920 --> 03:42:37,280
this item i did not then without objection that will be placed on the consent agenda and we will

2460
03:42:37,280 --> 03:42:41,040
move to the consent agenda alder jorgensen would you like to make a motion regarding the consent

2461
03:42:41,120 --> 03:42:46,320
agenda i move to approve the consent agenda the motion is second to approve the consent agenda

2462
03:42:46,320 --> 03:42:50,720
all those in favor please say aye aye opposed the motion carries we now move on to common

2463
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:54,480
council announcements which are limited to recognition of city residents and employees

2464
03:42:54,480 --> 03:42:58,560
memorials and non-political community events discussion matters related to governmental

2465
03:42:58,560 --> 03:43:05,440
business is prohibited alder alan will begin with you thank you last night was national night out

2466
03:43:05,440 --> 03:43:10,400
it was a wonderful opportunity to spend time with our community i want to thank

2467
03:43:12,080 --> 03:43:18,160
lutheran resurrection church and the mobile station on spring street for signing up to

2468
03:43:18,720 --> 03:43:24,640
participate i would like to thank all of our our service provider staff police fire

2469
03:43:25,440 --> 03:43:32,240
and everyone who coordinated the event once again it was a moment for community i also would like

2470
03:43:32,240 --> 03:43:39,600
everyone to know that on this coming saturday alder demarc and i are hosting the very first

2471
03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:45,360
back to school event that will take place in lockwood park and we will have a whole fun

2472
03:43:45,360 --> 03:43:51,280
and day i need everyone to kind of send out good to do energy to the universe so that it does not

2473
03:43:51,920 --> 03:43:58,720
rain on saturday but everyone is invited and again it's at lockwood park and we'll have most of the

2474
03:43:58,720 --> 03:44:06,640
afternoon depending on rain if it does rain we will be giving away gift cards to the schools

2475
03:44:06,640 --> 03:44:14,960
in the area to give to their students for school supplies after school starts thank you alder

2476
03:44:14,960 --> 03:44:26,640
hermit thank you i also want to give a very special thank you awesome job for everyone that

2477
03:44:26,720 --> 03:44:33,840
participated in national night out neighborhood watch committee and the cop house the cop

2478
03:44:33,840 --> 03:44:39,120
meet street cop house they always do a great job of including the community

2479
03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:46,880
regular neighbors people within the areas blocks but all over a scene can come and they always host

2480
03:44:46,880 --> 03:44:52,880
and do a really really good job so thank you meet street cop house and all the staff that

2481
03:44:52,880 --> 03:44:59,840
participate in the national night out there we're going thank you mr mare i would just like to say

2482
03:44:59,840 --> 03:45:06,640
that um well pre congratulations to my niece katana and her classmates they will be holding a production

2483
03:45:06,640 --> 03:45:11,120
of matilda park high school over the weekend friday saturday and sunday they're still tickets

2484
03:45:11,120 --> 03:45:17,280
available um also i went to the county fair that was a lot of funds a lot of familiar faces there

2485
03:45:17,280 --> 03:45:22,800
so that was great um tomorrow is my one of my nieces faith her birthday so happy birthday

2486
03:45:22,800 --> 03:45:28,160
to her my birthday is also this month but we'll skip past that and then um the national night

2487
03:45:28,160 --> 03:45:34,400
out was fantastic i was able to attend monument square and the one on by douglas park and it was

2488
03:45:34,400 --> 03:45:38,480
really great to see the community out and people actually smiling and laughing and just enjoying

2489
03:45:38,480 --> 03:45:44,480
themselves especially the kids um there was you know no fighting no no craziness that was going on

2490
03:45:44,960 --> 03:45:49,440
uh we had the you know first responders come out officer pits in particular with the pursuing

2491
03:45:49,440 --> 03:45:54,160
police department very friendly very accommodating like the kids put stickers on his car that he went

2492
03:45:54,160 --> 03:45:58,560
and promptly took off afterward but it was very great just to see that so thank you to raseenia

2493
03:45:58,560 --> 03:46:03,360
bird watch uh to make that possible and all the sponsors and everyone else that came out to make

2494
03:46:03,360 --> 03:46:10,240
it really special so thank you thank you all for going any other announcements under the mark

2495
03:46:10,400 --> 03:46:19,360
um i also want to echo uh for a night out yesterday um it was it was a great day it was beautiful it

2496
03:46:19,360 --> 03:46:26,320
was nice um it was a nice day for the community to come together as one uh that's what we really

2497
03:46:26,320 --> 03:46:34,560
need in this city is everyone to come together and celebrate the the us um the other thing that i

2498
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:44,800
want to put out there is the um market um the farmer market um over by festival hall uh it's

2499
03:46:44,800 --> 03:46:51,440
open every Saturday so hope to see you all there great uh i do you just want to give a shout out

2500
03:46:51,440 --> 03:46:56,160
to national night out it was a great event i started at monument square and then went over to gold

2501
03:46:56,160 --> 03:47:02,480
metal lofts uh in all the davis district um was luckily be joined by josh glessing who's the

2502
03:47:02,560 --> 03:47:06,640
president milwaukee bucks who actually grew up just by gold metal lofts and got to reconnect with

2503
03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:11,840
some of his old neighbors uh and just meeting with some of the constituents of ours who live in gold

2504
03:47:11,840 --> 03:47:16,800
metal lofts and how important uh that affordable housing opportunity is for them to be in that

2505
03:47:16,800 --> 03:47:20,640
neighborhood and how delighted they are met a couple people who went through our adult high school

2506
03:47:20,640 --> 03:47:25,040
program who are there and and now employed in nursing so it's really affirming to see some

2507
03:47:25,040 --> 03:47:30,400
of our government initiatives coming to fruit and just doing what national night is out is supposed

2508
03:47:30,400 --> 03:47:35,520
to do which is to connect police and firefighters and other city officials with neighbors uh and

2509
03:47:35,520 --> 03:47:40,400
celebrate our community so thanks to everybody who participated in the dozens events that we have

2510
03:47:40,400 --> 03:47:44,480
around the community there's no way you can get to all of them there's so many of them so thank

2511
03:47:44,480 --> 03:47:49,120
you to everybody who participated i see no other items so at this moment i would entertain a motion

2512
03:47:49,120 --> 03:47:56,720
to adjourn uh many motions and seconds to adjourn all those in favor say aye opposed ayes have it we are