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Our of six o'clock having arrived on this 21st of July, 2026.

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It is my honor to call to order the City of Racine Common

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Council.

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First part of our business is to ask all of you to rise

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as you are able and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance

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to the flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I will not ask the council president

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if there are any absences, since everyone

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is in attendance this evening.

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But I will ask the council president,

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if he would like to make a motion to approve the minutes

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or record proceedings for July 7, 2026.

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I move to approve.

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Motion to approve.

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Multiple seconds.

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Any discussion on said minutes?

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Seeing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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That motion carries.

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We do have Alder Kelley joining us remotely tonight,

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so just procedure of that means we

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will be doing verbal roll call votes this evening.

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We'll move on to proclamation.

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We do have one proclamation this evening,

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which is anticipation of National Night Out.

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Just from a scheduling reminder,

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reminder everyone, we are meeting on August 5th,

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the first week of August, because National Night Out

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is on Tuesday, August 4th.

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So we usually meet on Tuesdays.

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Obviously, that particular week, we will be meeting on Wednesday.

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And we have a proclamation here in anticipation of this.

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And it reads, whereas, proclamation 5219,

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issued by President Ronald Reagan,

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pursuant to Senate Joint Resolution 298 in July 1984,

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declared, oh, I'm sorry, this is the wrong item on the agenda.

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I apologize, this is the wrong proclamation.

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We will read the National Night Proclamation

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at the actual event on August 4th.

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Let's move on then to public comments.

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The public comment segment is opportunity for citizens

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to speak directly to the comment section.

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Speakers will limit their remarks to three minutes.

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There shall be no dialogue or interaction

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between the speaker and elected officials or staff.

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This time is not intended to be a debate or discussion.

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The Common Council shall not hear personal complaints

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or attacks against any city, employee, or elected official

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or any matter related to individual claim,

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citation, appeal, or lawsuit, profane, destructive,

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threatening, or conduct that otherwise impelate

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and pizza safety, or effective conduct

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of the Common Council meeting is equally unacceptable

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during the public comment period,

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as it is during all other portions of city meetings.

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Candidates for public office may not use this opportunity

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to campaign for office.

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Speakers during the public comment period shall follow all the rules

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of the comment council in rulings of the chair,

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including decisions to terminate the remarks

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if the speaker does not adhere to these rules.

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Public comments shall be limited to ideals or concerns

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regarding the city we're seeing.

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We encourage you to submit any detailed concerns

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in writing to the city clerk's office or your alderman,

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where they can be properly documented directly for response.

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There will be 13 speakers this evening.

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First one will be Tyler Richards from 1821 Superior Street.

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This is the first speakers coming up.

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Just know there is a three minute clock

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that will come down on the screen here.

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And when that three minutes is up,

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the microphones are turned off.

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That is not a commentary or reflection

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of anything you're saying,

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where there is an effort to treat everyone equally,

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everyone gets up to three minutes to say their piece.

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So soon we get the clock up and now you may begin.

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Hello, my name is Taylor Richards, 1821 Superior Street.

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Thank you all for hearing me today.

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I'd just like to show my support

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for the Shoe Renovation Project.

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I think in the grand scheme of things,

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it would be a benefit not only to the community,

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but to wildlife as well, with the wetland restoration

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and the shoreline protection.

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I think it's really, you got to look

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at the big picture for it.

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So I think that would be pretty beneficial.

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Not only that the Johnson Leopold family

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has done so much for the community,

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the Kaiser family is known for doing a lot

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for public courses in Wisconsin,

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as well as throughout the nation.

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Keeping it affordable, but also making it a high end

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want to be placed to golf.

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I think it would bring in a lot of potential.

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Thank you all very much for hearing me out.

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Second speaker today will be Wendy Kuo from 2319,

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West High Street.

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Hi, my name is Wendy Kuo.

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I am here to speak about some of the public safety

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and tavern situations.

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I own a couple of the taverns in the city of Racine.

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Other owners and myself have gotten together

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to discuss a few situations

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between our establishments and the city.

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I've been watching or ongoing,

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I've been watching or going to public safety

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and licensing meetings for the last 10 to 12 years.

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The board is always changing and so are the opinions,

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which is not, so are the opinions,

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which is necessarily not a bad thing.

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The problem is there are no guard lines for us

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or the board that are put in place.

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We are trying to follow the city ordinances

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and state laws as we know and understand them.

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The public safety and licensing board

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spends eight minutes of training when the board switches.

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Eight minutes of training is not enough

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to hold our livelihood in your hands.

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Five years ago, we were told to police

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what was going on outside and around our establishments.

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Two years ago, when a tavern owner was shot,

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we were told not to, but instead to call the police,

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if there was a problem due to we are not trained

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to handle all situations.

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We are also told if the establishment owner

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or if the employees call or ask for helper assistance,

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it would not be hold against us.

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As long as complete cooperation was given to police,

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now it seems we are being asked again

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to police our businesses.

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All we are asking for is a list of guidelines for us

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and anyone who may end up on the public safety

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and licensing board for there is no confusion

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on either side about what is expected

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and no more inconsistency.

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A few of the tavern owners would like to meet up

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with the few of you, if possible,

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who have a meeting at some time.

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Thank you, I appreciate your time.

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Our next speaker will be Jeff Neubon from 1145 Main Street.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the council.

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Thank you for this opportunity to be with you.

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For those of you who are on the executive committee,

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you heard me last week,

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who have apologies to all of you.

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This is for everyone who wasn't here at that time.

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I'm a fourth generation resident to the city of Racine

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and I come here to express my strong support

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for the proposal to move forward with Shoop Park.

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Shoop is a wonderful asset for our community.

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It has very extensive deferred maintenance as you know

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and we'll probably hear tonight.

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Under this proposal for no cost to city residents

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and I am one of them, as is my family.

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This is an opportunity to greatly enhance that asset

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with a fabulous investment of $10 million.

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This work will be done extremely well.

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The plans are impressive, but most importantly,

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the Leopold Johnson group will do this right

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because everything they do, they do well.

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Every Johnson Leopold project is done with excellence,

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with beauty and with integrity.

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And from a multi-generational perspective,

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the Johnsons have been investing in this community

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for six generations with another generation now on the way.

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They have always invested with a multi-generational

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perspective, this will not solve all of our city's problems

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but it will avoid $1.8 million in expense to the city

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which the city does not have the resources to invest,

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greatly enhance the property to the tune of $10 million,

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generate new revenue to the city itself,

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bring significant new money to the city

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from restaurants, hotels and visitors who will come

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to now utilize this beautiful asset even more

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than they do now, which will then create jobs

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and which we would otherwise not receive.

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I've been walking at this site and enjoying it

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since our children were little and I have to say

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we would go there with my mom, my daughter Greta

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and her sisters and my mom would have to sit up

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on the bluff and watch us, which she enjoyed,

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but she couldn't climb over the trees

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and all the obstacles that have accumulated over the years.

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So I can't wait to walk on this beach

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and on this site on these paths with Greta's new

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six-week-old daughter when I'm of the age

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when I won't be able to climb over trees

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and stumps and other obstacles.

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So I look forward to the opportunity that we have before us.

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Thank you for your service on the council

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and for your, hopefully your support for this proposal.

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Next speaker will be Don Horne, 6317 Taylor Ave.

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Hello, my name is Don Horne and I'm here tonight

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just to talk a little bit about public safety and licensing.

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I want to thank Alder Kelly for proposing

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to review the loitering ordinance.

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I think that's going to be great.

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I'm hoping that what I have to say starts here.

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We appreciate public safety and licensing so much

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in what they do for us.

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We would like to see more consistency

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in what the decisions are that we are held to,

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the standards, this is our livelihood.

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We're being held accountable for knowing all the ordinances

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for our businesses and we would like to see them the same.

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So we would like some more, them did get more education.

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I hope that after review of the,

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I hope that after reviews are made,

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that tickets are actually going to be cited

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to those people that are loitering

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and causing our businesses stress.

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We haven't seen that in the past.

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So we're really looking forward to that.

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We appreciate the police liaisons

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that's on the public safety and licensing board.

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He has done a lot for our businesses

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as far as giving us details, outcomes,

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and then also evidence.

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I'm sad to say that lately,

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I've been watching public safety and licensing

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for about four or five years.

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And lately, our social media has been,

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I feel, affecting the decisions that are made.

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And I hope that changes.

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Let's see where my hands are.

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So tonight, I just, I'm hoping that it starts here

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with common counsel to hold everybody, not only us,

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but also the alderman that sit on the board

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for public safety and licensing,

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and hopefully the inconsistencies stop,

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and so does the bias.

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I know the owner too.

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Next speaker will be Colin R.

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Next speaker will be Colin McKinley, 724 Crabtree.

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I'm leaving.

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Dr. Shoop had plenty history in Racine.

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Back in 1917, Dr. Shoop donated 52 acres along the shore

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of Lake Michigan to the people of Racine

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to be used as a public part in Poon unity forever.

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And two parts should not become a larger golf course.

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Johnson, Leopold, and Caser Group.

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Their plan is harmful to the environment.

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Because it's going to cut down all the trees on the shoreline.

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And it's going to take green space

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and more parking at the Racine Lighthouse,

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which is important to have that green space

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for the Racine Lighthouse.

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I'm sure Dr. Shoop would not approve

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a private investor using the land he donated

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as a public part to make a profit.

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So not only will golf be taking up every square inch of shoe,

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their plan, they want to enroach the lighthouse ground.

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Dr. Shoop gave the land to everyone,

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and he signed a deed.

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And it says that the land should be used as a public park.

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And it does it says anywhere about a golf course.

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And one other thing, the City Council, in agreement,

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you signed a 10 year lease with members of the Johnson family.

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The agreement calls for a 10 million new clubhouse

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installing a 10 year lease,

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which they will donate 2 million offset of construction.

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And I think that's a bribe.

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Because why I think it's a bribe?

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Because they want you to vote for this.

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So I hope you vote no for the people in the community vote no.

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Next speaker will be Melissa Warner,

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3-3-3, late gap.

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Good evening, council.

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Thank you for the opportunity to meet with you once again.

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You have a hard decision to make tonight.

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It's hard because you can't see the future.

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None of us can.

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And this decision will have consequences far into the future.

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We can't know whether Racine youth will think a Caddy school is a good idea.

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We cannot know how far away people will come,

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and in fact golfers will come.

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You can't know that.

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We can project it.

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We can think about it, but we can't know it.

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We want more certainty than is available.

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However, there are some things I know, or at least I think I know.

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First, the bluff along our lakefront is built mostly of glacial debris

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and very susceptible to erosion.

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Two, water levels in Lake Michigan vary sometimes by a lot.

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And they will be much higher than they are now at some time.

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The storms we get seem to be increasing in fury and intensity and frequency.

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What does all of that mean?

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It means there will be a storm that will take out the bluff.

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So your decision is more sooner or later than yes or no.

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Do we know when?

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Of course not.

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Another thing I think I know, the industry and manufacturing that we had in Racine

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is not coming back in anything like the level it was when we moved here some 45 years ago.

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What can take its place?

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Tourism.

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I don't have the data, but I'll bet you visit Racine does

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on what tourism is already bringing in to Racine.

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And we are ideally suited as a tourist vacation hotspot.

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We have the lake, the beach, the marinas, the zoo, good theater, music, lots of music,

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and museums, a thriving art community.

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But this project is an opportunity to add something that is uniquely Racine

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and not found elsewhere in our area.

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So if I were sitting in your seat tonight, I would grit my teeth and vote yes.

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Next speaker will be Mary Gardiola, 5100 Charles Street.

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Hello.

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I sent you all an email earlier today.

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I hope you had a chance to read it.

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There's so much more detail.

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I just want to cover just what was on the top of my head.

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If this proposal passes as written, we will be left with a sand dune style golf course,

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a large putting green cafe and parking lot to include a rough surface walking path

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and trail open to the public.

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The plan simply would not include any public park space for our community to use

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for various other park interests.

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My point is that we can have a park and a park for park goers

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and a world-class golf course for the golfers as well.

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We don't need to have one or just the other.

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There are too many open ends still existing to move forward.

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But putting a delay on the current proposal we have here today taking a pause

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to consider and reconsider including both groups of interest

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makes the most sense of the changes that will be happening going forward.

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I'm asking you to please pause on the vote.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker is Michael Burke, 1232, Florence Avenue.

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Hi.

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As president of Hoi Audubon Society, I must voice our opposition

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to the proposed redevelopment of Shoe Park Golf Course as we understand it.

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Birds are in steep decline in the U.S. and Canada.

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Nearly 3 billion breeding adults gone since 1970 according to Cornell University,

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the absolute experts on North American birds.

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Shoe Park has been a place where they find safe harbor.

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Frankly, it has been very challenging for us to clearly grasp

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what will happen to Shoe if the redevelopment is approved.

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On one hand, I and a few other board members have heard some encouraging things

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from members of the redevelopment team.

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However, the pretty pictures we see of their vision

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leaves us with the impression that Shoe could become a very barren place.

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At least closest to the lake, where big changes would do the most harm to birds.

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Windpoints and Shoe Park are so critical to birds because the area lies along

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a major north-south migratory route.

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Because windpoint is a promontory, it is a natural place for migrating birds

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to stop, rest and refuel during their journey.

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There are very few dark, relatively safe areas for birds to stop along that migratory route.

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But that area is a premier one.

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Shoe provides the underbrush, the cover right along the lake

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that migrating birds need to avoid predation.

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The farther they fly without being able to rest and find nourishment,

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the more are likely to perish along the way.

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With Shoe Park's location and rich natural habitat,

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more than 270 bird species have been identified at Shoe and Windpoint,

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making the area one of the very top areas for birds in our entire state.

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For those reasons and more, Hui Audubon Society opposes the redevelopment plan as proposed.

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The Wisconsin Ornithological Society has just weighed in on the Dunes golf course plan as well.

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In a letter that begins, quote,

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we urge the city of Racine and project planners to preserve Shoe Park golf course's natural shoreline,

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mature trees and bird habitat while using targeted bird-friendly management practices

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to address safety, erosion, lighting and course maintenance needs.

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Still quoting, removing large numbers of trees would cause significant harm to the habitat used by migrating birds.

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During migration, birds need cover of trees, shrubs and brush to rest, hide from predators and find food.

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I encourage planners to find the WSO's letter containing numerous suggestions for ways that birds and golfers could coexist on its website.

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I will end by adding my own opinion that the redevelopment proposal has some merits,

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but I believe there would be many ways to accomplish these with less impact on Shoe's natural environments.

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If approved, I plead with the developers to proceed with some moderation and with utmost respect for Shoe's benefits for birds in wildlife. Thanks.

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Our next speaker is Fantasia Edwards, 332621st Street.

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Hello. I'm here to discuss the proposal for the Shoe Park.

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I personally think that there can be both golfers and birds in leaving wildlife as it is.

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I believe that if it's done in good faith, the private investors will donate to the golf course,

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but then they also will donate to the city to ensure that the coastline, the shoreline is restored to its natural habitat or left as it is.

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I think that, I'm going to nervous.

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I personally think it's also a deep violation. If someone gave you a gift, are you going to then give it to someone else?

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The park was donated to the people, so it should stay for the people.

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Also, how does the golf course present day contribute to the community?

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That's food for thought.

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Also, I wanted to know if we're really concerned about the shoreline and wildlife, how come now it's a discussion?

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How come it wasn't a discussion beforehand when the people came in to donate the money?

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If that makes sense, why would everyone say, yes, renovate it, but how come everyone cares now about the shoreline and the dunes and the birds, unless it's something personal gain?

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If your job is to be for the people, you need to listen to them, and this will also instill trust that we can trust you with our lands and the safety of our city.

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If you want us to trust you, you have to show us that we can trust you by doing the right thing, which is leaving the shoreline as it is, but given the golf course, the opportunity to be renovated.

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If they decide to take, I just don't think that you can restore the shoreline, but don't think that you can take parts of other land.

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Restore the clubhouse, do what's on that land, but don't think you're going to touch the park, because that's off limits.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker will be Phil Politi, 15522, 73rd Street, Kenosha.

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Good evening. My name is Phil Politi, and I'm the executive director of the Caddy and Leadership Academy of Southeast Wisconsin.

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Our mission is to develop outstanding young men and women into excellent and exceptional students and to qualify these students for the Evan Scholarship.

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For the committee members that aren't familiar with that, the Evan Scholarship is the largest privately funded college scholarship program in the world.

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Currently, there are 1,300 students in college with a full four-year tuition and housing scholarship at 28 different universities.

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Here in Wisconsin, Evan's has a presence at University of Wisconsin-Madison, and also Marquette University.

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And our goal, partnering with the SHU project, is to use SHU as a training ground for middle school students to get them trained up and graduate into full-scale Caddy programs in the area.

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Currently, we have a program at Meadowbrook Country Club in Racine, and since 2021, we've had nine students pictured here received the full Evan Scholarship.

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Most of those students have gone on to the University of Wisconsin. They live in the Evan Scholarship House with other students who have caddied.

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These students were awarded the scholarships based on their outstanding academics, their Caddy record, and a demonstrated family financial need.

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We target recruit students who have excellent academics, but I would say at risk.

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Since I started this program, I founded this program in 2014. We got real serious with it in about 2019, and since then we've had 32 of our students receive this scholarship.

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Just to give you an idea of the kind of impact they can have on these young people, if they were to go to Marquette University and pay full force, that scholarship is worth $320,000 over four years.

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The value of an Evan Scholarship at University of Wisconsin is about $150,000.

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We look to use SHUP as an opportunity to find these students, recruit them, train them, and get them in the pipeline for the Evan Scholarship.

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It is the most successful scholarship program in the country, and partnering with the folks, the Leopold, the Johnson family, to provide this opportunity to truly life-changing opportunities for these young people.

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I urge you with all my heart and for the benefits of the young middle school students in Racine, please approve this project so we can use it as a platform to change these young people's lives.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Christine Kern, 4115 Leopold House Drive.

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Hi, my name is Christine Kern, and thank you for letting me speak. I'm actually reading for Abigail King information that she sent to the council.

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So, the concern here is not that SHUP Park should be left exactly as it is, it shouldn't.

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The bluff is eroding, the buildings are a passer service life, and the grounds have been neglected.

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The concern is the specific decision in front of you tonight, a 50-year private lease approved before the science of permits.

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The deed questions have been answered.

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This vote commits a park before any permit exists, your own briefing memorandum states that the developer will be required to obtain approvals for the City Planning Heritage and Design Commission, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, the Army Corps of Engineers, and all other legally required authorizations.

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In plain terms, none of these approvals exist yet.

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The Department of Public Works report says the same of the shoreline.

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Final approval of the revetment plans rests with the DNR and the Army Corps.

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If you are being asked to sign a 50-year commitment first and to learn whether it is even permitable second.

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If those permits are later denied or heavily conditioned, the city is already bound.

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On the wetlands, the state has already ruled against this project.

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On November 14, 2025, the Wisconsin DNR denied the developer's request to treat six of the sites wetlands as artificial.

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The DNR found that all six carry a natural wetland history predating 1991 and remain protected under state law.

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That is not a hurdle the applicant has cleared.

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It is one the state has already raised.

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The plan still speaks of managing the existing wetland and regrading the course into Dune and Prairie.

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Any impact to those confirmed wetlands now requires full individual permitting, including proof that harm was avoided

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and that real alternatives were studied.

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That analysis has not been placed before you.

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The word restoration does not match the plan.

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The project is presented as environmental restoration,

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but it calls for the select clearing of golf course trees, more than half a mile of engineered stone revetment

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and rip rap along the Lake Michigan shoreline and the regrading of landform into Dune and Fescue course.

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Windplain and Shoe Park are a recognized birding area as we have heard.

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This would be altered.

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The developer's own reputation is described in this presentation,

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which is a very important process on choosing remarkable natural settings and letting the land lead the design,

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armoring a living shoreline in rock and clearing mature campy is the opposite of that philosophy.

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It is fair to ask why the plan contradicts the very brand it offered to justify it.

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The 1917 deed question should be answered first.

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We're really asking that you delay the vote and think about this for a while.

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Thank you so much.

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Our next speaker tonight will be Greg Mankie for Spruce Wood.

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Good evening.

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I'm Greg Mankie.

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Thanks for allowing me to speak.

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I'm a lifelong Racine and 20-year wind point resident.

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I'm actually here to speak in favor of the Shoe Park development.

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I've played Shoe Park many times over the years and have always wondered how we could have this beautiful piece of land

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on Lake Michigan with this iconic lighthouse but have this subpar golf course that's always been poorly maintained

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and for those reasons underused.

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It has so much potential.

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I go by Shoe most every day either walking or driving and rarely see more than a few golfers here and there.

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I believe in the Johnson Leopold family and what they've already done for the city of Racine speaks for itself.

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I don't believe the developers will be reckless.

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I believe they will take people's concerns seriously.

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I have personally met Craig Halton from the Kaiser group.

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I've listened to him speak and believe he and they are genuine and will do a fantastic job as they have on their many other projects.

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I think people driving by just to drive along the lake shore or go see the lighthouse may not even recognize

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it's a golf course but they will be amazed at how beautiful the property is.

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This will give people a reason to come to Racine and when they're here maybe they will stay at our downtown hotel

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or eat at a restaurant or stop at a bakery and pick up a cringle or two

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and then go home and tell their friends how nice it was.

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Give them the reason to come.

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I think as a resident to pay $24 to play on a beautiful golf course that two hours north would cost $500.

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That would be a gift to local golfers.

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I think people will be amazed at how beautiful it is when it's finished and what a gem it will be for our city.

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I'm just asking you to think of moving forward and not backwards.

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I think if we pass up this opportunity we will be moving backwards.

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Shoop has never been utilized to its potential by the city and there's no reason to believe that it can be in the future.

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I believe this project will benefit our entire community moving forward and I ask that you vote in favor.

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So thank you for listening.

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Speaker will be Karen Johnson 5062 Hunt Club Road.

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Mr. Mayor, members of the Common Council and distinguished guests, my name is Karen Johnson

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and I stand before you today not just as a resident but as someone whose families go back generations in Racine.

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To you Mr. Mayor and to the alderman, I am here to offer some ideas that I think will offer a compromise with the Lighthouse Dunes.

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Through the chair to the developer present today, like you I have deep roots in the community and a connection.

476
00:34:54,720 --> 00:35:02,720
My father Bud Nelson knew your parents very well and my grandfather and great-grandfather built the Johnson-Wankstower for your grandfather.

477
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:08,720
As a lifelong recipient I do appreciate the many things your family has done to give back to this community.

478
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:17,720
In regards to the new venture Lighthouse Dunes, I do believe on its surface it can and will be a wonderful asset and will bring a lot of new people to our village.

479
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,720
But I don't think it should be at the expense of other important things that will be taken away.

480
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:30,720
First of all our 3000 foot wild shoreline is home to a critical migratory flyway with over 270 bird species recorded.

481
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:37,720
Hoiata Ban in Wisconsin Society for Ornithology are the leading voices in the preservation of these critical habitats.

482
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:43,720
They both have scientific evidence that migratory birds cannot survive in a prairie dune habitat.

483
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:48,720
Moving the sanctuary across the street won't work because the birds need everything on the shore.

484
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:53,720
I hope you will compromise your plans and install a living shoreline into your plans as they suggest.

485
00:35:53,720 --> 00:36:00,720
I do have a letter that the Wisconsin Society of Ornithology asks that I deliver to the council and to Helen and Craig today.

486
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:11,720
Second on the subject of discount fees I am certain that this was an oversight on your part but written into the proposal is a statement that only city of Racine residents will receive discount.

487
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,720
I just found out that wind point will too.

488
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:21,720
I would hope that the Lighthouse Dunes develop different tiers of discounts so that all Racine residents can enjoy the benefits of the course.

489
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,720
Of course, charge as much as you want to out of towners but make it affordable for our residents.

490
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,720
Again, thank you to everyone who has worked very hard, saved the trees.

491
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:41,720
Hoiata Ban in the Wisconsin Society of Ornithology and to the Johnson Leopold family for listening to our ideas and hopefully including them into our plan. Thank you.

492
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,720
And the last speaker for today will be Kevin Zilber, five cedar board.

493
00:36:52,720 --> 00:37:01,720
Good evening. I'm Kevin Zilber, lifetime Racine resident and now living in the wind point area adjacent to the shoe golf course.

494
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,720
And I'm here to speak on behalf of the proposal and its passage.

495
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:16,720
I won't pull out my prepared remarks only because it would be somewhat repetitive but I do think that, first of all, very impressed by the engagement on both sides.

496
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:25,720
And while any project has pros and cons, it is my judgment that the pros far outweigh the cons in this case.

497
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,720
We do have a great, great piece of land there.

498
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,720
I have done homework on the Kaiser group and looked at some of the other projects they've done.

499
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:46,720
All of which have been done with respect to the communities and honoring the wishes of those communities and have been generally rated very, very high and productive.

500
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:54,720
We do need to move forward. We have a declining infrastructure at Shoops and I do think it would be great for the community advancement.

501
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,720
I've also used some of the caddies at Metalbrook. I know the program.

502
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:07,720
I've helped advance some of the people of the Evan scholarship. I know what an impact it has on people's lives.

503
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:17,720
And so there's a lot of, again, when I look back at the pros and cons, is much, much more positive and I think it's going to be a great way to advance our community.

504
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:23,720
Put us on the map and allow us to move forward together. So thank you for your time.

505
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,720
This concludes the public comment section.

506
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,720
Thank you. We'll then move on to a presentation by the Leopold Johnson Golf Group.

507
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:44,720
Many of you were here to see the presentation at executive committee.

508
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:55,720
So we've asked the Johnson and Leopold group to maybe give an abbreviated presentation that they did last time and then offer the opportunity for elders who were there or not there to ask any additional questions they might have.

509
00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:00,720
So if you'd like to come up to the DS, Greg.

510
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:15,720
Good evening. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. Thank you very much for listening to what we have to say.

511
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:23,720
It obviously is a very, it's a topic that there are people that have a high level of interest in.

512
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:30,720
I will keep my remarks much shorter than I did previously.

513
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:43,720
And as I sit here, I think I want everybody to appreciate what we're trying to do.

514
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:49,720
This is something that we're not doing to make a profit. We never will make a profit.

515
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:59,720
I think it was Alderman Mack that asked at the executive committee meeting, you know, when will you get your $10 million back?

516
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:04,720
And I think my answer was never. We will never get it back.

517
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:12,720
This is something that Helen and I drive by this course, except there's construction going on right now.

518
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:20,720
But we drive by it twice a day. And I can tell you, if you drive by, you cannot see the lake.

519
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:33,720
We drive on the lighthouse drive. We cannot see the lake. It is overgrown with bushes and trees that are invasive trees.

520
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:41,720
And I understand the concern that a lot of people have.

521
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:54,720
I think what I would merely ask is when we're referred to as developers, we are not developers.

522
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:02,720
All right, we're trying to do this because we are a generational family.

523
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:08,720
We will always be in this city. This is our home. This is where our kids all work now.

524
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:22,720
And they're getting involved in, you know, what our family companies and they understand that you do things sometimes because it's the right thing to do.

525
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:31,720
And this is one of those things. I think it's going to be an awesome thing for us to do.

526
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:42,720
And when I use the term investment, I'm talking about investing in that property to bring it back to where it should be.

527
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:51,720
It is iconic. And one of the very first people who recognize that was a gentleman named Mike Kaiser.

528
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:58,720
And I have spoken a number of times and certainly with the mayor about the Kaiser group.

529
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:06,720
They care about the environment. They care about the communities that they do golf courses in.

530
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:15,720
They care about the trees and the birds and they care about golf and they care about having an unbelievable experience.

531
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,720
So that's who the Kaiser's are.

532
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:29,720
When I was first aware of the Kaiser group, I knew them because I've been to a number of their golf courses, but I didn't really know them.

533
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:45,720
Okay. So I investigated and someone gave me a book that was written by the elder Mr. Kaiser, the patriarch of the Kaiser family who started the family golf course, the family business.

534
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:58,720
And he is a spectacular human being who cares more about what goes on in the communities that they do business and how they treat their employees and how they treat their customers.

535
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:05,720
And it kind of reminded me of another person that lived in this community and passed away about 15 years ago.

536
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:14,720
And so when I met the son, Mike Kaiser, he was great.

537
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,720
We spent so much time on the shoe property, walking, everything.

538
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:24,720
Well, it wasn't walking. I've had four hip replacements, so I was in a golf cart.

539
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:31,720
And, but we went all around to see it and to understand what it could be.

540
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:44,720
And he had the vision for this property and the vision is to make this one of the top nine whole golf courses in America.

541
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,720
And he should know because he's got the actually in the world.

542
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:55,720
He's got number three right now, a nine whole course that is number three on the list.

543
00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:03,720
And he said, he'll never be one or two because those are there for a reason.

544
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,720
He said, but maybe you'll be four because you'll never be three either.

545
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:17,720
And, you know, it's, you know, this is a project that Helen and I are, you know, we want to do it.

546
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,720
You know, we're not doing it. We don't throw money away. All right.

547
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:28,720
We, you just don't do that. And we do care about our environment.

548
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:36,720
And you mentioned the, I'm sorry, I couldn't help, but you mentioned the ornithology department at Cornell.

549
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:47,720
And it's, it was built by the Johnson family. So it is the imaging Johnson ornithology building at Cornell.

550
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:54,720
So Helen has a little bit of the bird lovers and the tree and I think that's awesome.

551
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,720
So I can, I can assure you, you will be represented at the table.

552
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:07,720
And, and of course, as you well know, because you spent a couple hours with Jen's Jensen walking the property.

553
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:13,720
We've hired Jen. So some of you may recognize that name. He's a very iconic.

554
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:19,720
Racinean that did most of the parks that we have in our city.

555
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:26,720
And this is his grandson that now is carrying on the ecological environmental.

556
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:36,720
Business that his grandfather started. So, so what, so what we want to enter into is a, is a 50 year agreement.

557
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,720
And well, you see, well, that sounds like a long time. And.

558
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,720
For some people, it is a long time for us. It's not. We know our family is going to be here in 50 years.

559
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:55,720
And, and our, you know, our kids are going to be in this community and they're going to be involved.

560
00:45:55,720 --> 00:46:03,720
And, you know, 50 years is just, you know, it's just 50 years. So, but there are outs.

561
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:17,720
I mean, if we aren't performing like we should be performing, you know, maybe your children will be the mayor and will call my grandkids in and, you know, they'll have a conversation.

562
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:28,720
And, and I only say that because I want you to feel comfortable that, that we will do the right thing.

563
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:35,720
I want to say all the time, but we're going to do it most of the time.

564
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:43,720
All right. So, so I just, you know, rather than getting into everything and all the details, I just, I think it was even more important.

565
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:53,720
At least make me feel better and Helen as well that I wanted to share with you that we are listeners.

566
00:46:53,720 --> 00:47:01,720
We will, we will listen. In fact, there was a gentleman here last week at the executive committee meeting. He was a kayaker.

567
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:11,720
I talked to them afterwards and we're working on a way that he can, you know, that kayakers that want to bring their kayaks in can access down to the lake.

568
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:26,720
And they were put a little parking spot. If we could get the city to be able to help us to say for kayakers only, we'll probably put the sign up anyway, you know, in hopes that it'll, it'll, it'll be understood that is for kayakers to take their kayaks down.

569
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:32,720
So I'm saying that we're going to listen to you. And that's kind of the, you know, that's, that's who we are.

570
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:47,720
So I did a little bit different format rather than kind of go over all the issues and things going on, which I'm more than happy to discuss anything going on in the, in the lease.

571
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,720
But I wanted you more than anything.

572
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:59,720
I wanted to share with you who we are and, you know, if this is a very important project for us.

573
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,720
We have a few questions on all the Jordans.

574
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:13,720
Thank you. So you answered most of my questions last week, but in talking with residents, they, they liked the idea that it would be matching Johnson Park.

575
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:18,720
After the two years of $24.00 is up and they thought that was a great idea.

576
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:28,720
They did have a question and I didn't have the answer. So I wanted to ask you, they were worried that caddies would be mandatory that they would have to pay the caddy fee and do a caddy.

577
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:33,720
Even if they just wanted to go do it for the $24.00 and without a caddy.

578
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:43,720
Absolutely. No caddies are not. There was never any thought process that we had that would have caddies as a, as a requirement to play golf.

579
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:55,720
You can walk. You can take your pool caddy. We are pool cart. We will not have electric carts or gas carts. So it's, it's still a walking course.

580
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,720
Thank you so much. That was, oh, that's right.

581
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,720
Well, there we go. Just for anyone who didn't hear it, there wasn't with the microphone, but the caddies will be free themselves.

582
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,720
So not even a issue of cost.

583
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:15,720
I need to keep the conversation between the presenter and the alders and not have commentary from members of the public.

584
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,720
Okay. Please continue.

585
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:23,720
Well, in hearing that the caddies are free and they're not required, that satisfies my question of that some residents brought up of cost.

586
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:28,720
It sounds like that's been taken care of as well. So it would just be the $24 for two years.

587
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:36,720
And then after that, it would be the highest price for nine holes at nine holes, right? Perfect. Thank you so much.

588
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,720
Yep.

589
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,720
Other Davis.

590
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,720
Thank you.

591
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:51,720
One item that's come up a few times is about the restoration of the shoreline.

592
00:49:52,720 --> 00:50:04,720
Where are you at in the process with the DNR to ensure that they will grant you permission to move forward with that part of it.

593
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,720
Okay. Good question.

594
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:18,720
The request to do all of the rocks on the shoreline will actually the request will come from the city because the city will continue to own this property.

595
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,720
So it will always be the city's property.

596
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:27,720
But we have had conversations with the DNR and the Corps of Engineers.

597
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,720
They are very aware of what we want to do.

598
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,720
We live on Lake Michigan and we had to put in a ton of these rocks. So we know the people.

599
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:53,720
And so that's really where we are right now. I think one of the, one of the questions that I heard before was, was, gosh, why did we go to the DNR, the Corps of Engineers, you know, all these people.

600
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:05,720
But the final lease agreement is subject to those approvals occurring. So if we don't get the DNR approval and they say, no, you can't do it.

601
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:12,720
Then we would have to come back and say, okay, as, you know, we're not going to do the shoreline because we weren't able to.

602
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:18,720
But, but the lease will be subject to getting those approvals.

603
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,720
Thank you. You answered my follow-up question as well.

604
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:24,720
Okay.

605
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,720
I'll do that one.

606
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:34,720
Thank you. Thank you for coming and speaking with us again.

607
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:46,720
At the last meeting, I expressed interest in connecting with students for future. And I'm very excited to hear the piece about the scholarships.

608
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:56,720
I'm very aware of that program. I'm also hyper aware of how much it costs to go to Marquette. That is where my personal law journey is taking me.

609
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,720
So which I was a golfer.

610
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:09,720
Also with the restoration, I am a member of the citizens since climate lobby.

611
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:30,720
My law professor focuses his law interest in environment. So I'm very focused and aware of all of the pros and cons that go into whether or not we address what is happening at shoe park, including the shoreline.

612
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:56,720
The necessity to replenish our trees and remove the trees that are not healthy right now. I know that it sounds painful, but if people could imagine the one rotten apple in the barrel for analogy, leaving those trees there would have the opposite effect

613
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:17,720
instead of saving any of our ecosystem or environment, it would have the exact opposite. So I am very happy that you are coming in and donating time and energy and money and putting the family values into that your family has into the shoe park.

614
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:19,720
Thank you very much.

615
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:40,720
Thank you. I don't know if you're the right person to answer this. There was a comment that the DNR denied a wetland permit back in November. Is that something you had applied for?

616
00:53:50,720 --> 00:54:04,720
Okay. I'm not aware of it. But again, we will need to get those permits in order for all of this to actually occur.

617
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:11,720
Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for Mr. Leopold?

618
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,720
Other whites?

619
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:20,720
I think I know the answer to this, but I just want to ask it because I've had a lot of people mention it.

620
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:33,720
I'm under the assumption that wind point, Caladonia, those are all going to be received discounts because their drivers license says we're seen. So I'm assuming that's how you would assess a city overseeing resident when they come in to golf.

621
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,720
We will make the determination based on what their driver's license says. Thank you.

622
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,720
Any other questions or comments?

623
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:55,720
Seeing none, thank you, Mr. Leopold. The other presentations that we've had, or do you want to say anything?

624
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:56,720
No. Okay.

625
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:05,720
The other presentations we had in this, we've had Commissioner Rooney present to us twice. He's not here this evening, but he did send out his comments to all of you again today.

626
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:16,720
He made an assessment about whether or not the proposed plans in his estimate would do the work of protecting the shoreline into the future, which it was his assessment that it is.

627
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,720
We also do have Director Kepnick from Parks, Recreation and Cultural Services here as well.

628
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:27,720
We can ask him to give an abbreviated presentation regarding the trees and the shoreline.

629
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:34,720
And again, I think this will be a more abbreviated version because I think some of you have heard this at least once, some of you twice, some of you.

630
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:43,720
This will be the first time we'll be hearing some of his comments, but if there were additional questions for him regarding that space, you have the ability to ask those questions now.

631
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:49,720
Mr. Kepnick. Thank you, everyone. As noted, for some of you, this is the fourth time you've heard me.

632
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:54,720
So I'm kind of recycling the same information, so I'm going to keep it brief.

633
00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:01,720
This is the process that I went through when I first heard about this project so that I could better understand it for my own needs.

634
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:08,720
The first thing I did was research the area and determined that a wind point in shoe park is, in fact, I recognize birding area.

635
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,720
You heard some information before showing there over 270 species that have been documented in the area.

636
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:22,720
I also then looked into what type of habitat those birds use and basically broke it down into four major habitat groupings.

637
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:29,720
There's the open water, the lake habitat, the shoreline beach habitat, open land and metal habitat, and then trees and woodland habitat.

638
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:38,720
So this was just an acknowledgement that shoreline work won't necessarily impact every type of habitat that's present.

639
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:49,720
I broke this project down into two pieces, one being that shoreline stabilization and bluff resiliency, and then the golf course redevelopment separately,

640
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:54,720
because these have different environmental considerations and are for different purposes.

641
00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:06,720
The shoreline bluff work I determined was a resiliency and an infrastructure issue dating back to the January 2020 storm with the record high water levels and a lack of shoreline ice.

642
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:21,720
There was some bluff damage along the area, entire trees were lost into the lake, and at this point the unstable areas are the damages exacerbating simply due to the fact that the trees are contributing to it rather than preventing it.

643
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,720
The tree and shrub removal along the bluff is tied to the repair work.

644
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Essentially, in order to stabilize the bluff, we need to have access by equipment, there need to be changes made, and trees need to be removed as part of that project.

645
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,720
I then looked into the tree canopy on the course itself.

646
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:58,720
As the former city forester, I have access to our GIS-based tree inventory consisting of 40,000 public tree sites and all their attributes, so I did a query of the golf course, the trees that are on the golf course.

647
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:06,720
I determined that the majority of the species are silver maple, green ash, white ash, or we maple and honey locusts.

648
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,720
I take it back actually, 40% of the species are made up of those five.

649
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:18,720
And then in addition, 55 of 184 trees on the course were under 10 inches in diameter.

650
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:24,720
That's important because the smaller trees provide less benefit than the large mature trees.

651
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:32,720
And then lastly, looking at those common trees on the property, several of them do have management and ecological limitations.

652
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,720
Norway maple is one of those species that's present.

653
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:44,720
It is considered undesirable, recognized by the DNR as a species with invasive tendencies and the ability to spread into natural areas.

654
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,720
Some communities have gone so far as to ban that species.

655
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,720
We have not yet here.

656
00:58:50,720 --> 00:59:06,720
There were the green ash and white ash on the course, and they provided canopy historically, but because they are highly vulnerable to emerald ash borer and they require ongoing pesticide treatment, they do not present long-term habitat.

657
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:20,720
Silver maple does support a reasonable amount of insect activity compared to some of the other species, but silver maple is a short-lived and prone to decay and storm damage, which limits its long-term reliability.

658
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:30,720
And then last, honey locust is a native species, but compared to some of the higher value species, it supports relatively low insect diversity.

659
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Any questions for Director Kepnick?

660
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,720
Seeing none, thank you very much.

661
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,720
We now move on to communications introduced to council.

662
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Older land, would you like to make a motion regarding items to be referred to finance and personnel?

663
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,720
I would like to refer the following item to the finance and personnel committee.

664
00:59:52,720 --> 01:00:02,720
Item 0659-26, communications sponsored by Mayor Mason requesting to allow the mayor and the clerk to enter into a development agreement with the CDA,

665
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:09,720
and numinum regarding the Geezy School property located at 5120 Bird Avenue.

666
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,720
So motion and a second to refer these items to finance and personnel.

667
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,720
All those in favor of please say aye.

668
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Aye.

669
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,720
Opposed? That motion carries.

670
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,720
All there are harm and would you like to make a motion regarding the items to public works and services?

671
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Thank you, Mayor.

672
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,720
I'd like to make a motion to refer the following items to public works and safety.

673
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,720
I mean, public works and services.

674
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:46,720
Item 063626, communications sponsored by Alda Allen to discuss household items that are no longer picked up at the Pearl Street and transfer station.

675
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:56,720
Item 063726, communications sponsored by Alda Widener requesting a four-way stop to be placed at the intersection of Carmel Avenue and Graham Street.

676
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,720
Item 063826, communications sponsored by myself.

677
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:09,720
Root Pike Watershed Initiative Network to present the Root River Watershed Presentation.

678
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:14,720
Item 064526, communications sponsored by myself.

679
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:26,720
Submitting agenda two to contract 2025187 for state municipal financial agreement.

680
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Regarding the bridge over the root river.

681
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:39,720
0662-26, communications sponsored by Mayor Mason requesting permission to close Main Street from State Street to 7th Street.

682
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:51,720
6th Street from Lake Avenue to Grand Avenue and Wisconsin Avenue from 4th Street to 7th Street for party on the pavement on September 19th, 2026.

683
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Item 0646-26, communications sponsored by myself.

684
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,720
Submitting change order.

685
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:05,720
Number two to contract 2025181, racing uptown green infrastructure project.

686
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,720
AW Oaks and Sun Incorporated contractor.

687
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,720
Item 064726, communications sponsored by myself.

688
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:20,720
Submitting final payment for contract 2025181, racing uptown green infrastructure project.

689
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,720
AW Oaks and Sun Incorporated contractor.

690
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:39,720
Item 0664-26, communications sponsored by Alda Jorgensen requesting to allow the farmers market to place signs below the welcome to racing signs at the city entrances.

691
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,720
Use a motion and a second to refer these arguments to public works and services.

692
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,720
All those in favor please say aye.

693
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:47,720
Aye.

694
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:48,720
Opposed?

695
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,720
That motion carries.

696
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:58,720
We'll now move on to Aldered Peath and ask them to make a motion on referring the items to public services and our public safety licensing.

697
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,720
I would like to refer to the following items to the public safety and licensing committee.

698
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,720
I would like the motion to do that.

699
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:13,720
Item number 64826, communications sponsored by myself for the license premise report.

700
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,720
Item 64926, communications sponsored by myself.

701
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:25,720
Requesting any consideration and formal expression of concern or other actions pursuant to the police report.

702
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Item 65026, communications sponsored by myself.

703
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,720
Requesting the appearance or aye.

704
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,720
Ramirez for a new operator's license.

705
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,720
Item 065-126, communications sponsored by myself.

706
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:47,720
One application for a massage establishment license, sunflower therapy, LLC.

707
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:54,720
DBA sunflower spa, which is located 906 State Street.

708
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,720
Zo Daizu.

709
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,720
On.

710
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,720
District 1.

711
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:11,720
Item 65226, communications sponsored by Aldered Kelly for discussion and possible action on the law ring ordinance.

712
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:17,720
The schedule and possible signage with RPD and the attorney's office.

713
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,720
Item 65326, communications sponsored by myself.

714
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:26,720
Submitting a new application for a class B retail fermented malt beverage.

715
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:35,720
And intoxicating liquor license for Marano's Hospitality Group, DBA marinos.

716
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Little Italy, which is located 1238 Lake of Avenue.

717
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Logan marino agent 13th district.

718
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,720
Item 65426, communications sponsored by myself.

719
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:55,720
Submitting a change of agent application for a class B retail and fermented malt beverage and intoxicating liquor license.

720
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,720
For 0s LLC, DBA 0s LLC.

721
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,720
Located at 211 6th street.

722
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,720
Howard Brown, junior agent first district.

723
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Item 65526, communications sponsored by myself.

724
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Submitting a new application for a class C online license.

725
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,720
For 0s LLC, DBA 0t room.

726
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Which is located 2096 street.

727
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,720
Howard Brown, junior agent.

728
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:31,720
Item 065626, communications sponsored by myself.

729
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,720
Submitting a new application.

730
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:40,720
For a retail fermented malt beverage and intoxicating liquor license.

731
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,720
Esquita, LLC, DBA.

732
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:44,720
Law Esquita.

733
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,720
Located at 2005 Taylor Avenue.

734
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,720
Raymond Adela's agent.

735
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,720
Third district.

736
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,720
Item 65826, communications sponsored by myself.

737
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Submitting an application for a second hand.

738
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720
Article Diller license.

739
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,720
Salt Commons, LLC, DBA.

740
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,720
Salt Commons, LLC.

741
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Located at 2224, Northwestern Avenue.

742
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,720
Unit 308.

743
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,720
Item 066026, communications sponsored by myself.

744
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:25,720
Submitting a new application for a class B retail, fermented malt beverage and intoxicating liquor license.

745
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:31,720
For best do'sery, ink, DBA, dannies, grocery and lounge.

746
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,720
Located in 1950 Taylor Avenue.

747
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Dixie Patel, agent.

748
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,720
Left hand district.

749
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,720
Item 66126, communications sponsored by myself.

750
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,720
Submitting a new application for a cigarette tobacco and electronic vape device retail license.

751
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,720
For most of the market, LLC, DBA.

752
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:52,720
Most of the market.

753
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,720
Which is located at 1949 Racine Street.

754
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Side, applied agent.

755
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,720
Second district.

756
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,720
There's a motion and a second to refer these items to public safety and licensing.

757
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,720
All those in favor please say aye.

758
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:08,720
Aye.

759
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:09,720
Opposed?

760
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,720
That motion carries.

761
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,720
Referral to the executive meeting.

762
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,720
Would you like to make a motion regarding this item?

763
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:27,720
Yes, I would move to refer item 0665-26, communications sponsored by Mayor Mason.

764
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,720
Presenting proposed ordinance 004-26, immigration enforcement.

765
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,720
So motion and a second to refer this item.

766
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,720
Thank you.

767
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:43,720
I would make a motion to receive and file this communication of ordinance 002-4-26.

768
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:44,720
That's it.

769
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,720
The motion and a second to receive and file this item.

770
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,720
We've put it straight to the ground.

771
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,720
There's still about five minutes.

772
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Kelly, if you can mute your.

773
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:03,720
So I will make, I'm sorry, just unmuted and apologize.

774
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,720
I can't be there.

775
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,720
I'd like to second that just for discussion sake, please.

776
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,720
The motion has been seconded to receive and file.

777
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,720
Just you do have some background noise in the space that you're in.

778
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,720
So just wanted to let you know that.

779
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,720
And then we will look for your hand if you want to participate moving forward.

780
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,720
There's a motion to receive and file this item.

781
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:32,720
We will be voting electronically or we will not be voting electronically today.

782
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,720
So people know all the writing would like to speak further to your motion.

783
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:36,720
I would.

784
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:37,720
Thank you very much.

785
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,720
This motion is not a statement about immigration.

786
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:47,240
It is a statement about legal exposure, fiscal responsibility and what this body actually

787
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,800
has the authority to do.

788
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,240
Start with our own city attorney's memorandum.

789
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:59,120
It tells us in writing that enforcement of this ordinance may be limited and that communities

790
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:05,120
passing similar measures have done so knowing that they may be unenforceable.

791
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:11,520
When our own council recommends approval and that caveat is attached, this council should

792
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,800
hear it as a warning that it is.

793
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:22,360
The Department of Justice has filed 27 lawsuits against more than 20 jurisdictions over ordinances

794
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,920
like this one.

795
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:30,520
In particular section 63-5, the mask provision is precisely the piece being struck down.

796
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:37,120
A federal judge black philadelphia's version, the night circuit, black california's, and

797
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:42,000
right now 30 miles up the road, Milwaukee is in a standoff with the justice department

798
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,640
over an identical mask ban, a federal demand letter, a deadline that has already passed

799
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,440
and a lawsuit almost certainly coming.

800
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,880
If Milwaukee's ordinance cannot survive, ours won't either.

801
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,160
We would not be taking a stand.

802
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,480
We would be joining a fight that already is being lost at our taxpayers expense.

803
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:09,280
Second, much of this ordinance regulates business that is not ours.

804
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,560
Immigration detainers are directed to jails and the city of Racine does not operate a

805
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:14,960
jail.

806
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:22,640
Any one of our officers arrest is booked into the Racine County Jail under the authority

807
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:30,000
of the county sheriff and independently elected constitutional officer over whom this council

808
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,600
has no power whatsoever.

809
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,240
The legislature understands this, the bill the governor vetoed the spring targeted county

810
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,480
sheriff's not city council.

811
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:45,360
The detainer provisions before us regulate something that the city does not do.

812
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,640
The third, what remains largely restates discretion we already have.

813
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:57,520
No federal law requires we're seeing to spend its resources on civil immigration enforcement

814
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,520
today.

815
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:04,400
We do not need this ordinance and the litigation that comes with it to keep doing what we already

816
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,000
are free to do.

817
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:11,960
And finally and most importantly, consider what this vote actually asks of us.

818
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:20,520
It forces every member of this body and every resident watching into a four or against camp

819
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:26,960
on federal immigration policy over provisions that are unenforceable that govern the county's

820
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,680
business or that changed nothing about how the city operates.

821
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,800
That is the worst trade a council can make.

822
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,320
Some division for minimal effect.

823
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:45,600
And we make it while facing a projected operational deficit in 2027.

824
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,880
Receiving and filing accepts this communication into the record, respects the concerns that

825
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:56,320
motivated and protects the taxpayers of the city of Racine from paying into litigation

826
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,040
a question other cities are already losing.

827
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,400
I ask for your support to receive and file this ordinance.

828
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,400
Thank you.

829
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:11,400
When the clerk calls your name, the motion before you is to receive and file this item,

830
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:15,120
if you vote yes, it will receive and file and essentially end moving the item forward.

831
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,040
If you don't know, it would be referred to the potentially be referred to the executive

832
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,040
committee.

833
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:26,240
When the clerk calls your name, please vote as you wish.

834
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,240
Elder Kelly.

835
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,240
Hi.

836
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,240
Elder Harmon.

837
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,240
Aye.

838
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,240
Elder Harmon.

839
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,240
Elder Pobon.

840
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,240
Elder Frazier.

841
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,240
Elder Weiss.

842
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:36,240
Elder Davis.

843
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,240
Elder Mack.

844
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,240
Elder Durbinson.

845
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:39,240
No.

846
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Elder Weiner.

847
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Elder Horden.

848
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,240
No.

849
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,240
Elder Hodges.

850
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:44,240
No.

851
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:45,240
Elder Allen.

852
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,240
No.

853
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:47,240
No.

854
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,240
No.

855
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,240
No.

856
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:51,740
Elder Weiner.

857
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:53,740
No.

858
01:12:53,740 --> 01:12:54,740
Mateo.

859
01:12:54,740 --> 01:12:55,740
No.

860
01:12:55,740 --> 01:12:56,240
No.

861
01:12:56,340 --> 01:12:57,240
No.

862
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,440
Aldere Harlan.

863
01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,440
No.

864
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:00,940
Aldere Enchmann.

865
01:13:00,940 --> 01:13:01,940
No.

866
01:13:01,940 --> 01:13:02,940
No.

867
01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:03,940
onda D.

868
01:13:03,940 --> 01:13:04,940
Mark.

869
01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:05,940
No.

870
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:11,660
Motion to receive and file fails, but what is now before us is the motion to refer this item

871
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:13,480
to the executive committee.

872
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,360
All those in favor of referring to the executive committee please say aye.

873
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,320
Opposed?

874
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,240
the ayes appear to have it we will now move on to committee reports taking the

875
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:28,280
unusual step of the executive committee item to the to the front of the calendar

876
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,400
for action today given the interest on the shoe part issue if other jorgons I

877
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,000
assume you have at least one request for separate consideration on the items

878
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,920
before the executive committee today I didn't receive any officially if there's

879
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,240
anyone who would be requesting it I guess now would be the time and nothing came

880
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,160
beforehand so I'm seeing all the wider not her head that she'd like separate

881
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:57,240
consideration and so if you would read the item for separate consideration which

882
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,680
one is she requesting

883
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:06,160
separate consideration zero six zero nine dash two six zero six zero nine

884
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,280
dash two six communication sponsored by Mayor Mason requesting to authorize the

885
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,040
mayor and city clerk to enter into an agreement with Leopold Johnson Gulf

886
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,080
group for shoreline stabilization habitat restoration clubhouse construction

887
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:24,400
and a long-term lease for the operation and meetings of shoe park the recommendation

888
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,340
from the executive committee was to approve is there a second from Alderman

889
01:14:29,340 --> 01:14:33,800
bone all the jurgons would you like to speak to the notion yeah I mean it was

890
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:41,960
very very lengthy meeting so I won't try to rehash everything from it but since

891
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,760
we're pulling it out for separate consideration it's been something that

892
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:50,360
I've had many many discussions with residents on I've had many discussions

893
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:56,040
with non-residents quite a few of them as well and one thing that I think is

894
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:01,560
really coming through with this is it's really not perfect for anybody one of

895
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:09,520
the comments that was made in the in committee actually by Mr. Leopold was

896
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,760
that he wasn't super thrilled that it was tied to a course that he didn't own

897
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:19,960
or manage the rates for and that would be putting it out of their control it

898
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,400
made him a little uncomfortable I know there's some city residents who are

899
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:28,240
uncomfortable with this moving forward however when you really boil it down to

900
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:34,520
what it is is this is an opportunity to get out of the hole that's been dug here

901
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:41,400
the clubhouse is in desperate need of replacement we continue to hear over

902
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,600
and over and over again of things that aren't working the irrigation system I

903
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,880
received an email today from someone who worked there who wanted to tell me

904
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,800
that they're currently hand watering large portions of the course to keep it

905
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:58,800
going as you can imagine that's probably not the most sustainable practice for a

906
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:05,120
golf course he went on and on about how all of the things of him working there

907
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,640
and being there for many years has led to him being in favor of it he had just

908
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,560
shared some concerns that he had but he had full trust in the Leopold Johnson

909
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:18,000
group to do what they say they're going to do and make sure that it's truly a

910
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,280
gem for the community and I believe that they've really earned that trust they've

911
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:28,520
done many projects in the community it's okay to be nervous and it's okay to want

912
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,360
to make sure that we hold them accountable to it and we've heard tonight

913
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,520
that they they welcome that accountability that they know what they're

914
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,520
getting into they want to make sure that what they're doing is going to be

915
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:44,280
right because if we do nothing that's the most important part I think if we do

916
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:52,440
nothing we're going to lose large portions of it we received a report in

917
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:57,360
2020 detailing that the question raised was raised tonight of why didn't we do

918
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,560
this before why wasn't this done previously why wasn't their discussion on

919
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,720
it there was it maybe didn't reach the level of media attention that this has

920
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,680
but there was a report that was done we received information that if we don't

921
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:15,960
do bluff stabilization that the bluff is potentially going to fall into the lake

922
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:21,960
and so the idea that there's nothing that we could do if we just sit tight the

923
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,260
further that goes along we actually at one of the other things that I think is

924
01:17:25,260 --> 01:17:28,900
important is our city forester and director of parks or former city

925
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:33,500
forester excuse me and director of parks made the comment that it's been brought

926
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,740
up about doing a living shoreline but the erosion has progressed so far at this

927
01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:42,260
point that that really isn't an option for the vast majority of it and I fear

928
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:46,980
that if we continue to do nothing how much more will be lost or how much more

929
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:51,060
of a drastic option are we going to have to do in the future as it continues to

930
01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:56,940
deteriorate because the other question that's been brought up is if we do you

931
01:17:56,940 --> 01:17:59,940
know maybe we vote this down and we'll fund it somewhere else I can confidently

932
01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:05,500
say the city does not have money to fund this ourselves and this is something

933
01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:10,700
that I also can't imagine being that we hear all the time about the cost of

934
01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:16,060
property taxes can't imagine that the average resident is okay with funding

935
01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:20,500
this through property tax increases to repair a park that's not even in the

936
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:27,500
city limits so all of that's to say before before us today is an opportunity

937
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:31,860
to really start a partnership on moving this part forward there's going to be

938
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:37,300
many many conversations in the future about the Huyapodown society with the

939
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:42,500
Leopold-Johnson's and others to make sure that this truly works for everybody we

940
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:46,620
heard it tonight everyone's got to see at the table on this around the trees and

941
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:53,580
the birds and so I really view that this is something that in the future really

942
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:59,100
has the opportunity to truly define our area and what we want it to be known

943
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:03,460
as the last thing I'll leave you with on where I got to here because it was no

944
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:08,580
easy decision to make for me was I got the thinking of bringing my daughter to

945
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:13,220
this park and what do I want to show what that I did on my time on the

946
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:17,620
council why I want to show her where there used to be a clubhouse but we did

947
01:19:17,620 --> 01:19:21,620
nothing in a deteriorated and it's gone and there's no clubhouse there now do I

948
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:27,940
want to bring her to a potential mudslides spot where there used to be a

949
01:19:27,940 --> 01:19:31,780
bluff here used to be able to walk out close to the lake that's all gone now

950
01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:37,580
there's no there's no longer a bluff there I want to bring her to areas on the

951
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:41,620
beach where you can't really access them anymore because so many down trees have

952
01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:48,900
continued to pile up it's inaccessible or do I want to bring her to a place that

953
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:53,380
as we've heard tonight clubhouse is welcome to anybody grab a cup of coffee

954
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:56,780
come out there and set at the picnic tables enjoy the lake shore go to the

955
01:19:56,780 --> 01:20:00,900
new public beach that is totally public open to everybody that sounds like

956
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:09,100
potential kayak launch point now as well go along the new walking trail I think

957
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:12,740
that's the future that I want to have when I bring my daughter of what we did

958
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:17,860
on the council together it's an opportunity for for growth and redevelopment

959
01:20:17,860 --> 01:20:23,700
and preservation as opposed to getting caught up in how it used to be or what

960
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:27,620
it should have been which results in a lot of these things haven't deteriorated

961
01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:32,140
beyond repair and so I think this is our opportunity tonight to move start

962
01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:37,700
forward and and go along the long track of repairing and restoring this beautiful

963
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:41,100
area. Thank you.

964
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:47,460
Thank you. I asked that this item be pulled out for separate consideration

965
01:20:47,460 --> 01:20:52,500
because I thought about the courage that it took for the board members in

966
01:20:52,500 --> 01:21:01,700
windpoint to make a unanimous public vote on this agreement this arrangement and I

967
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:07,340
think that we this city council should have the opportunity to have our voices

968
01:21:07,340 --> 01:21:16,820
be heard by watch it's tithing me our voices be heard in our vote when we

969
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:21,660
vote on this item I thought it was much worthy not just being passed along to

970
01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:25,780
the consent agenda rather a separate vote and I also want to take an

971
01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:30,860
opportunity to think that Leopold Johnson family for their generous generous

972
01:21:30,860 --> 01:21:36,700
offer to replenish our beloved shoe park and a golf course out there and

973
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:43,260
having spent over 50 years out in that area I know how much it needs the work

974
01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:48,900
to be done and I know that we have not had the resources to put into it and we

975
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:54,220
appreciate the gift that you are giving the city receipt we also appreciate and

976
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:59,300
want to thank you for your very generous gift of 1.9 million as a

977
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:04,420
contribution toward the Lincoln King Center and the annual gift of $25,000

978
01:22:04,420 --> 01:22:09,340
it was very very generous for you to offer to do that for the city ever seen

979
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:15,740
and we are very grateful for that and I want the opportunity to say that so that

980
01:22:15,740 --> 01:22:21,580
is the reason why this called up so we can vote separate on this item and show

981
01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:27,500
our support for this generous gift we have two other members in the queue I do

982
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:33,260
know we we did have several people ask the city attorney to make comment on

983
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:39,660
whether or not this having a golf course was in in accordance with the deed that

984
01:22:39,660 --> 01:22:44,020
we received from Mr. Shoop more than a century ago I'd have a golf course on

985
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:48,020
that space so if it unless there are any objections I'll ask the city attorney

986
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:52,500
to to render that opinion now just for information as we move into the

987
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:59,460
conversation thank you Mr. Mayor I'm addressing the specific part of Dr.

988
01:22:59,460 --> 01:23:05,940
Shoop's deed that requires that the property shelf forever be held maintained

989
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:11,940
and improved by the city for public park purposes so the issue is not really

990
01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:15,460
whether shoe park would continue to remain a public park of course it would

991
01:23:15,460 --> 01:23:20,700
the real question is whether a publicly accessible municipal golf course is a

992
01:23:20,740 --> 01:23:25,980
legitimate public park use and in my opinion based upon the law the answer

993
01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:32,620
clearly is yes ultimately though whether the proposed use is a legitimate public

994
01:23:32,620 --> 01:23:37,060
park use is the decision for the common council and only the common council to

995
01:23:37,060 --> 01:23:41,620
make for nearly 100 years shoe park has included a golf course throughout that

996
01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:47,140
time the property has remained a public park owned by the city of Racine this

997
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:51,380
proposal does not change that fundamental character it does not sell

998
01:23:51,380 --> 01:23:55,900
the land it does not remove the land from the park system it does not convert the

999
01:23:55,900 --> 01:24:00,660
property into a private country club it continues a long-standing public

1000
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:05,180
recreational use while creating an opportunity to improve improve the

1001
01:24:05,180 --> 01:24:10,180
facility through private investment rather than taxpayer dollars Wisconsin

1002
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:15,300
law has long recognized that municipalities may acquire develop maintain

1003
01:24:15,340 --> 01:24:19,660
and improve parks and recreational facilities for the benefit of their

1004
01:24:19,660 --> 01:24:24,540
residents our statutes do not treat recreation as something separate from

1005
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:30,660
park purposes recreation is one of the principal reasons parks exist that has

1006
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:35,380
that understanding is guided Wisconsin municipalities for many generations

1007
01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:39,660
courts and other Midwestern states have reached the same conclusion they

1008
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:44,740
recognized that public park purposes are not limited to passive green space but

1009
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:49,140
include facilities devoted to public recreation including municipal golf

1010
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:53,500
courses as one court observed the public golf course serves the same public

1011
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:58,100
recreational purpose as other park facilities another recognized that

1012
01:24:58,100 --> 01:25:02,860
municipalities may include golf courses within public parks because they provide

1013
01:25:02,860 --> 01:25:07,740
recreational opportunities for the public that reasoning is entirely

1014
01:25:07,740 --> 01:25:14,140
consistent with how parks have developed in Wisconsin the Racine the Racine

1015
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:18,300
Park system also reflects that understanding Racine's parks contain

1016
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:22,900
baseball diamonds football field soccer fields basketball courts tennis courts

1017
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:28,700
pickleball courts in 1800 foot a square foot skate park splash pad dog parks

1018
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:33,540
and two other golf courses every one of those facilities occupies parkland

1019
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:38,980
everyone is designed for a particular recreational activity I'd recommend

1020
01:25:38,980 --> 01:25:43,140
that you set aside any argument that some people make that this proposal that

1021
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:47,300
opponents of this proposal will seek redress from the attorney general or the

1022
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:52,460
courts it's my opinion that any such claim would not be successful some of

1023
01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:57,300
express concerns this proposal somehow privatizes shoe park respectfully I

1024
01:25:57,300 --> 01:26:03,140
characterize find that characterization inaccurate municipalities routinely

1025
01:26:03,140 --> 01:26:06,980
contract with private entities to operate public facilities throughout

1026
01:26:06,980 --> 01:26:11,420
Wisconsin across the country and in the city Racine private companies manage

1027
01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:16,100
concession stands campgrounds restaurants municipal golf courses located on

1028
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:20,780
public land contracting for professional management does not transfer ownership

1029
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:25,940
or alter the public character of the property the city retains title the city

1030
01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:29,980
establishes the terms the lease the city of restraint retains oversight and

1031
01:26:29,980 --> 01:26:35,180
enforcement authority and most importantly the land continues to serve the

1032
01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:40,780
public the city will continue to own shoe park the golf course will remain open to

1033
01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:44,500
every member of the public it will not become a private club it will not be

1034
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:49,700
restricted to members or invited guests Racine residents will receive discounted

1035
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:56,020
green fees reinforcing this is a city municipal recreational facility intended

1036
01:26:56,020 --> 01:27:01,260
to benefit the community any claim that resident discounts violate the concept

1037
01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:06,500
of a public park is plainly incorrect municipal resident non-resident fee

1038
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:10,420
differentials are common throughout Wisconsin and nationally frankly this

1039
01:27:10,420 --> 01:27:15,140
common council in its annual budget has approved differing fees for residents and

1040
01:27:15,140 --> 01:27:20,580
non-residents for kickball softball pickleball basketball boat launch soccer and

1041
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:25,220
baseball field rental and the purchase of graves among other things the operator

1042
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:29,660
will redesign and improve the course at its own expense and then manage it on the

1043
01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:34,780
city's behalf much as a private management company has done for years

1044
01:27:35,060 --> 01:27:40,140
shoe park will remain a public park called shoe park it's golf course will remain a

1045
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:44,540
public course the public will continue to join the property just as it has for

1046
01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:48,860
nearly a century this proposal preserves that tradition while improving the

1047
01:27:48,860 --> 01:27:54,300
facility in my judgment that is entirely consistent with the concept of public

1048
01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:59,180
park purposes and with the city's long-standing stewardship of one of her

1049
01:27:59,180 --> 01:28:04,900
scenes most treasured public spaces as a matter of public policy whether to

1050
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:09,220
accept this proposal it's an issue for the common council as a legal issue and

1051
01:28:09,220 --> 01:28:12,660
38 years of practicing law more than half of which has been represented the

1052
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:17,300
city of Racine I've rarely seen a clearer case approving this proposal is

1053
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:22,920
consistent with Dr. Shubes gift to the city thank you all the

1054
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:29,960
people thank you Mr. Mayor so I've heard a lot had a lot of constituents we

1055
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:34,560
tell both for and against and I've heard a lot of the issues but I've also heard

1056
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:40,440
a lot of those issues addressed here Forrester has indicated that what is

1057
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:45,360
currently there is not conducive to keeping said things there erosion means

1058
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:50,200
to erode so means goes away so if we do nothing like we have been for the past

1059
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,960
longer than I've been alive it's going to continue to do what it's doing so this

1060
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:01,120
plan gives us a path an opportunity forward without having the city taxpayers

1061
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,800
be on the on the dime for that because we've we've seen that we've we spend

1062
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,440
what $100,000 a year currently to maintain that area is that enough it won't it

1063
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,480
will never be enough because we don't have the money to redo the

1064
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,200
infrastructure that's there we don't have the money to stabilize the shoreline we

1065
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,480
don't have the money to maintain the park and anyone who's played that can tell

1066
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:27,680
you it is there is something to be said because you know the Johnson family has

1067
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:32,680
been in this community forever generations upon generations upon

1068
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:37,240
generations and for them to partner with Leopold group and to come to the city

1069
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:42,440
when they could have gone to Kaudou and Yomawaki Oak Creek anywhere else really

1070
01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:46,800
and said hey well you want ten million dollars we'll give you ten million

1071
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:51,000
dollars to do this they decided to do that here just like they have their

1072
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,760
world headquarters for their company here just like they've invested throughout

1073
01:29:54,760 --> 01:30:01,160
the centuries yeah centuries here so when they come to you and they say hey we'll

1074
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,720
give you ten million dollars we're gonna do it we'll do this here we'll also give

1075
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,000
you another one time one plus million dollars for your Lincoln King Center and

1076
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,880
then we'll give you twenty five thousand dollars a year toward that purpose over

1077
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:16,720
the course of 50 years it's one other one point two five million dollars I don't

1078
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,000
have that I don't have that lying in my couch or anything I mean I know we get a

1079
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,160
wealthy salary here as as elders but none of us have that but for them to think

1080
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,360
about hey you know what this is an issue how could we fix this but one of the key

1081
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:35,360
things here I think people need to just give more light to an understand is that

1082
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:41,080
they have been receptive they have helpless and in sessions they have come

1083
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,600
before this council before different committees several times all open to the

1084
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:51,520
public to receive input and they're gonna continue to do that just like they have

1085
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:58,440
for all of ever for the city so I think there are a lot of concerns that were

1086
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:04,600
raised but that would be exacerbated by doing nothing and continuing it to let

1087
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,360
it be what it is now and so we we also have to it's not about it they're not

1088
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:15,120
out of town developers that are coming in from Madison or Utah or somewhere you

1089
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,800
know they they have their roots here they've proven their commitment to the

1090
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,920
community and I think that should be worth something so I am in favor of this

1091
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:32,160
motion thank you thank you as in the executive committee meeting I find

1092
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:39,080
myself coming behind some excellent comments from my fellow colleagues so

1093
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:44,680
I'll keep it brief and say that after I was out at the park this past Sunday

1094
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:54,440
and I saw for myself firsthand and I want to thank the Johnson group for making

1095
01:31:54,440 --> 01:32:00,680
the offer I will be supporting it but as the speakers before me already pointed

1096
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:07,400
out the pros outweigh the cons where or we're going to just take a negative

1097
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:13,920
side up perspective and leave it do nothing or we're gonna move forward but

1098
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,040
more but on the other side of that I took an opportunity to speak to some of

1099
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:24,360
the parkers and they expressed most of the same sentiments that we've heard

1100
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:29,080
here tonight as well as at the executive committee meeting and I feel confident

1101
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:36,800
that those questions and concerns will be addressed and that as we move forward

1102
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:42,320
I think we're doing a bit making a decision if we are you like to go

1103
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:50,640
up accept that I think we've given a gift for generations to come thank you

1104
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,680
there are no other members of the council in the queue to speak on this

1105
01:32:54,680 --> 01:33:01,160
item when the clerk calls your name please vote as you wish

1106
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:05,600
Elder Kelly yes

1107
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,160
Elder Harmon

1108
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,160
Yes

1109
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,160
Elder Poem

1110
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,160
Elder Frazier

1111
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,160
Elder Wise

1112
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:14,160
Elder Davis

1113
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,160
Elder Mack

1114
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,160
Elder Jorgensen

1115
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:19,160
Elder Weiner

1116
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,160
Elder Horton

1117
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:22,160
Elder Hodges

1118
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,160
Elder Allen

1119
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:25,160
Elder Pea

1120
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:26,160
Elder Lan

1121
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,160
Elder Demer

1122
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:35,160
There are 15 ayes and zero nos it is passed unanimously

1123
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:51,160
Moving on to finance and personnel

1124
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:52,160
Elder Lan

1125
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,160
Do you have any items for separate consideration?

1126
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,160
Yes

1127
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,160
I have one item

1128
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:04,160
Item 0610-26

1129
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,160
Communications sponsored by myself

1130
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:13,160
Requesting approval to enter into a three-year contract with passport labs

1131
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:18,160
to move away from the old coin meters and transition to a fully

1132
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:22,160
digital platform for parking payments and enforcement

1133
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:26,160
The recommendation of the committee was at the mayor and city clerk

1134
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:31,160
Be authorized to execute and sign the contract with passport labs

1135
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,160
aimed to implement and maintain their system

1136
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:43,160
Fiscal note this is a three-year contract with the total cost of $24,255 for implementation

1137
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:49,160
This includes a one-time cost of $12,255 for hardware and equipment

1138
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:54,160
and a $12,000 annually for system licensing

1139
01:34:54,160 --> 01:35:03,160
The funds are available and MIS account 70113-57800 for fiscal year 2026

1140
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,160
and recurring system licensing for subsequent years

1141
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:11,160
will be appropriated during the annual budget processes

1142
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,160
Move to approve

1143
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:18,160
There's a motion and a second to approve this item

1144
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:23,160
Mr. Frazier, did you want to make a motion regarding this item?

1145
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,160
Yes

1146
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:31,160
Why don't we just hold for just one minute to let the enthusiasm in the hallway move down

1147
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:35,160
just a little bit so we can hear not only what's in the chamber

1148
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:40,160
and not what's outside the chamber

1149
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,160
All the Frazier, please continue

1150
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:48,160
I'd like to make a motion to refer this back to the committee

1151
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:52,160
There's a motion to refer this item back to finance and personnel

1152
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:57,160
Is there a second on referring the item back? All their winders

1153
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,160
All their Frazier, would you like to speak to your motion to refer back to committee?

1154
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,160
Yes, so I'm not against this

1155
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,160
I think that there are some outstanding questions

1156
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,160
that have to be answered

1157
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,160
I've met with my business owners in my district

1158
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:18,160
over the last three weeks that I've been back

1159
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:23,160
and they've expressed concerns about how this would be implemented

1160
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,160
where I think the bigger question is going to be

1161
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:28,160
where are these going to be placed

1162
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,160
Several business owners express concerns of elderly people

1163
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:36,160
not being able to use these systems

1164
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,160
namely an app

1165
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,160
so what's the work around for that?

1166
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,160
The location of these

1167
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:47,160
I have no to call them the boxes for people to use

1168
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,160
and some other questions

1169
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:55,160
but I think sending this back to the committee allows those questions to be answered

1170
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,160
It allows some of my business owners in the downtown area

1171
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,160
who this pretty much affects

1172
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,160
to come to the meeting

1173
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:07,160
and really voice their concerns to see if some answers can be

1174
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:11,160
to see if answers to their questions will be had

1175
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,160
so that's my motion

1176
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,160
otherwise

1177
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:19,160
Thank you, I do have a question for the police chief

1178
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:23,160
I support this motion but I'm also wondering if this should

1179
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:27,160
also go to public works and services committee

1180
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:31,160
because of some of the comments that

1181
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,160
from the discussion that I had with the police chief

1182
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:39,160
If you could state your question

1183
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,160
we'll ask the police chief to approach the DS

1184
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:46,160
I would just point out we are in the midst of a motion to refer the item back

1185
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:50,160
not to debate the item so if it's a procedural question on that

1186
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,160
I think that would be fine but I think what we have before us

1187
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,160
is a motion to refer the item back

1188
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,160
Chief Ramirez

1189
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,160
Good morning

1190
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,160
Good question is

1191
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,160
It's a little bit afternoon

1192
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,160
Good afternoon, sorry

1193
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,160
I'm here all the time so it doesn't matter

1194
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,160
The question is

1195
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,160
this was referred by you to finance committee

1196
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,160
because of what your role will be in this

1197
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:20,160
but there's also another role to this project

1198
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,160
that falls under another department

1199
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:23,160
are am I incorrect?

1200
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:24,160
That's correct

1201
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,160
My role is the parking enforcement piece

1202
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:28,160
It's a software upgrade for us

1203
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:32,160
There's any changes to the citation procedure

1204
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,160
where this court time changes things like that for us

1205
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,160
It's a software upgrade for us

1206
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,160
Whether there are kiosks, apps

1207
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,160
that falls on a different department

1208
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,160
So I think what the concern is

1209
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,160
is moving away from the parking meters

1210
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,160
to just an app or kiosk

1211
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,160
is creating some angst for individuals

1212
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,160
So I would ask you, Chief, is it appropriate for this

1213
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,160
to go back to the finance committee

1214
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,160
or should it possibly go to public works?

1215
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,160
I would leave that up to the council member here

1216
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,160
which committee goes to

1217
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,160
but for us it's a software upgrade

1218
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,160
on the parking enforcement piece

1219
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,160
whether how it gets paid

1220
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,160
whether it's through a kiosk, QR code

1221
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,160
kiosks, I may accept coins

1222
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,160
I think a question for the other department to answer

1223
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,160
If you'd like to refer your question

1224
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,160
to the finance director

1225
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,160
we could potentially ask it again

1226
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,160
but again referrals typically done

1227
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,160
for a number of reasons

1228
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,160
particularly contracts that we enter into

1229
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:33,160
and the financial impact of it

1230
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:37,160
Yes, thank you for that

1231
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,160
I think it's a very valid question

1232
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,160
I just want to clarify a couple of things

1233
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:48,160
So the changes associated with the public work side of this

1234
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,160
and kiosk and ABM

1235
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:54,160
and going away from parking meters

1236
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:57,160
that actually went to public works and services

1237
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,160
in the fall of 2025

1238
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,160
so in October of 2025

1239
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:05,160
this common council approved a change in that process

1240
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,160
it was actually under item 0924-25

1241
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,160
but having said that the Chief was absolutely right

1242
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:14,160
in what he said

1243
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,160
what's before you tonight in finance and personnel

1244
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,160
is just a software upgrade

1245
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,160
we already use passport as a software

1246
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,160
as you see out in the community

1247
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:28,160
this is a software upgrade to allow the police department

1248
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:32,160
to use that software versus what was a homeroom software

1249
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:37,160
for enforcement so that we're using the same software city wide

1250
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:41,160
that's why it went to finance and personnel for this particular thing

1251
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:45,160
the operational piece of kiosks, no kiosks

1252
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:49,160
that type of thing that would be more public works

1253
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,160
in the implementation of the program

1254
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,160
thank you for that

1255
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,160
and that clarifies things a lot

1256
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,160
so I would ask the maker of the motion

1257
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:01,160
if he would consider withdrawing the motion

1258
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:05,160
and submitting a separate motion

1259
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:08,160
it does

1260
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:11,160
yes

1261
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:15,160
yes

1262
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:19,160
I don't know that you can amend the motion before us to a joint referral

1263
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,160
I think you'd have to make this motion first

1264
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,160
and then if it failed you can make a subsequent motion after it

1265
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,160
but what we have right now is an item for referral

1266
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,160
to a particular committee

1267
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,160
otherwise you have the floor

1268
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:34,160
thank you

1269
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,160
so I would withdraw my second

1270
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,160
can I withdraw my second?

1271
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:43,160
I don't believe that you can withdraw my second

1272
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:47,160
well then I'm going to speak against the motion that I seconded

1273
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,160
and the reason for that I think the appropriate action would be

1274
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:53,160
is to vote down setting this back to finance

1275
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:56,160
for the reasons that were stated by the chief of police

1276
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:58,160
and our finance director

1277
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,160
and then later have a separate communication

1278
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,160
to the public works committee in regards to the concerns

1279
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,160
that many of us had heard from people

1280
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,160
in regards to how are they going to pay for their parking?

1281
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,160
all their drugs

1282
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,160
so

1283
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,160
I'm failing to understand why we wouldn't want to

1284
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,160
if there's questions on the item

1285
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:25,160
the item itself is specific to finance and personnel

1286
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,160
if we want to talk about the operation of it

1287
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,160
it was mentioned tonight of

1288
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,160
maybe we do a separate item

1289
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:32,160
you can do both

1290
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,160
you can put in a communication to talk about the operation component of it

1291
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,160
but the software upgrade piece to it

1292
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:41,160
does have financial implications behind it

1293
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,160
so you can move this forward

1294
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,160
you can send it back

1295
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,160
I'm in favor of sending it back

1296
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,160
if the alder from the first

1297
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,160
I received an email from one of his

1298
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,160
a business owner in his community

1299
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,160
they were not able to come to the first meeting

1300
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,160
if there's additional comments

1301
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,160
that would like to be made at a finance and personnel community

1302
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,160
to discuss it there

1303
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,160
around this specific item

1304
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,160
I think that's more than a good place to do it

1305
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:14,160
there was one resident that did come and speak on it

1306
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,160
we heard her concerns the committee discussed it as well

1307
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,160
when we were talking about the software that we're using

1308
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,160
and the cost of the software

1309
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:24,160
and what the software is supposed to do

1310
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,160
that's what the item before us is

1311
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,160
all related to the software

1312
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,160
the actual operation of it

1313
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:34,160
was a separate item that was already taken up previously

1314
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:38,160
so to hold up this software for something that

1315
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:42,160
I guess somebody missed when it was discussed last year

1316
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,160
for the actual operation of it

1317
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,160
I would throw a caution to it

1318
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,160
mainly because one of the big implications of this

1319
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,160
and why this is such an important piece of software

1320
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,160
is this isn't just parking meters

1321
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,160
this is also how tickets are written for parking

1322
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,160
there's been discussions around

1323
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,160
one of the things we've talked about

1324
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,160
actually in committee on it is

1325
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,160
this software allows the future

1326
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,160
for a potential ordinance change

1327
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,160
that supports progressive parking tickets

1328
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,160
if you have one

1329
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,160
it's one price if you write up six in a week

1330
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,160
it's a separate price

1331
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,160
once you get to the higher amounts

1332
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,160
so the piece of software if we want to send it back to discuss it

1333
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,160
absolutely but if we're sending it back

1334
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:27,160
to talk about a different topic that was done last year

1335
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,160
it's a totally different item

1336
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,160
I'm just failing to see how that makes sense

1337
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,160
so if we want to send it back

1338
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,160
have a discussion with residents

1339
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,160
around the software component all for it

1340
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,160
but if it sounds like there's maybe

1341
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,160
another alder that wants to submit a new communication

1342
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,160
to talk about what was done in 2025

1343
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,160
that would be a separate item

1344
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,160
Alder Davis

1345
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:53,160
My comments

1346
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,160
is the debate so

1347
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,160
I pass

1348
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,160
Alder Mack

1349
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,160
Thank you

1350
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,160
I originally came here

1351
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,160
prepared to make

1352
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,160
the same motion after receiving

1353
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,160
numerous calls from residents

1354
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,160
in my district

1355
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,160
I don't get a lot of calls

1356
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:21,160
but this one seemed to have triggered

1357
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,160
some interest

1358
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,160
and then also

1359
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:29,160
a business owner that has

1360
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,160
businesses in both the downtown area

1361
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,160
and my district although my district

1362
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,160
isn't affected by metered parking

1363
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,160
we do

1364
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,160
approve things that

1365
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,160
impact other districts as

1366
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,160
Aldermen

1367
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,160
I also

1368
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:49,160
thought the idea of

1369
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,160
jointly referring it

1370
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,160
to another

1371
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,160
committee might be appropriate

1372
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,160
because while there's

1373
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,160
the financial piece

1374
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,160
to this and that's what

1375
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,160
I voted on based on

1376
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,160
the information given

1377
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,160
last week

1378
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:09,160
however

1379
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,160
what people are saying

1380
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,160
is maybe this is

1381
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,160
the time

1382
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,160
with the parking meters

1383
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,160
becoming obsolete because

1384
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,160
they can't be fixed

1385
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,160
that we have a broader discussion on

1386
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,160
whether or not this is

1387
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,160
the time to get rid of

1388
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,160
metered parking

1389
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,160
so sending it

1390
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,160
back to the finance committee

1391
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,160
for more detail on the software

1392
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,160
if we got rid of

1393
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,160
metered parking as a software

1394
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,160
still needed

1395
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,160
or is it a different

1396
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:45,160
program I think would be

1397
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,160
appropriate but I still think

1398
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,160
maybe now is the time

1399
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,160
before we invest in

1400
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,160
kiosks and all that other stuff

1401
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,160
whether or not

1402
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:57,160
this is the time to get rid

1403
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:59,160
of metered parking and

1404
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,160
other municipalities

1405
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,160
have done it

1406
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,160
others maintain

1407
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,160
it and what is the right fit

1408
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:09,160
for Racine

1409
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,160
and what this kind of came

1410
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,160
about

1411
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:15,160
I'm sure there's a number of

1412
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,160
business owners

1413
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,160
that feel they have a stake in it

1414
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,160
there's residents that feel they

1415
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,160
have a stake in it

1416
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,160
and now I'm torn whether or not

1417
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,160
to vote no on the

1418
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,160
motion to refer it back

1419
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,160
to finance committee

1420
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,160
so that it

1421
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,160
can be jointly referred to

1422
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,160
public work so that

1423
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,160
it can be done

1424
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,160
so thank you

1425
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,160
thank you

1426
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,160
Mr. Mayor

1427
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,160
I'm going to speak in favor of just

1428
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:49,160
referring it back to finance because I

1429
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,160
distinctly remember having a

1430
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,160
conversation very similar to this

1431
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,160
and even having it brought up on

1432
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,160
I wasn't on public works and services

1433
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,160
when this originally came but

1434
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:01,160
I'm on it now and I know we had a

1435
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,160
conversation with Commissioner Rooney

1436
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:05,160
about this and he did say eventually we

1437
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,160
had a lot for people that don't

1438
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,160
can't get the app because that was a

1439
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:11,160
concern several of my colleagues

1440
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,160
that are here now brought up then

1441
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,160
was that that would be a concern

1442
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,160
however I do think if

1443
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,160
other others still feel there's more

1444
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,160
to the conversation that we can put

1445
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,160
a referral into the next public works

1446
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,160
and services committee to talk

1447
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,160
about this specific thing with the

1448
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,160
Commissioner even though this has

1449
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,160
already been sort of hashed out so

1450
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,160
I'm not in favor of a dual referral

1451
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,160
but I'm not in favor of any

1452
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,160
personnel as it pertains to the

1453
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,160
software thank you

1454
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,160
thank you

1455
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,160
just a quick question either for

1456
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,160
the finance director or the police

1457
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,160
chief regarding if there's a timeline

1458
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,160
required for this contract

1459
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,160
please take your question and

1460
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,160
while she's in transit hopefully she

1461
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,160
can so my question is

1462
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,160
is it going to interrupt

1463
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,160
the contract timeliness if we

1464
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,160
refer back to committee

1465
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,160
so no not necessarily

1466
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,160
it was

1467
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:07,160
envisioned within 2026

1468
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,160
for this already to be in operation

1469
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,160
it's why it was approved by

1470
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,160
public works and services in

1471
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,160
2025

1472
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:17,160
it took us a little while to make

1473
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:19,160
sure that the police department was

1474
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,160
properly equipped with the equipment

1475
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,160
that they needed to implement

1476
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,160
passport which is why we're so

1477
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,160
late in the year so we're already

1478
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,160
about six months behind

1479
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:31,160
however I understand the concerns

1480
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,160
obviously that have been addressed

1481
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,160
I do want to mention just one thing

1482
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,160
if a discussion is

1483
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,160
going to be had about eliminating

1484
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,160
parking meters

1485
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,160
that is a very very heavily

1486
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,160
fiscal decision

1487
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,160
so I want to be really

1488
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,160
careful if we're talking about

1489
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,160
taking this back to public works and

1490
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,160
services that item

1491
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,160
and that type of implementation

1492
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,160
or taking away parking

1493
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,160
meters would be about a

1494
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,160
$450,000

1495
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,160
item okay we

1496
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,160
receive about $450,000

1497
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,160
a year in revenue from parking

1498
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,160
meters alone

1499
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,160
that would just go

1500
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,160
boom that pays for parking

1501
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,160
structures it pays for parking

1502
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:17,160
lots being repaved it pays for

1503
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,160
public infrastructure

1504
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,160
that we have no other funding

1505
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,160
source to pay for so

1506
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,160
again it is

1507
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,160
it's definitely two departments or

1508
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,160
three at this particular

1509
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,160
instance I just want us to be

1510
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:33,160
really really careful about having

1511
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,160
that level of discussion about a

1512
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:37,160
very very heavily fiscal item

1513
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,160
only at public works and services

1514
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,160
can I just clarify

1515
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,160
with the finance director

1516
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,160
I don't proceed

1517
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,160
that the discussion was to remove

1518
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:51,160
parking meters

1519
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,160
well he brought

1520
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,160
and all the brought it up

1521
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:57,160
I understand that

1522
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,160
there are a lot of people

1523
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,160
out there right now saying those

1524
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,160
types of things and you know

1525
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,160
referring to other communities

1526
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,160
because of it it just those types

1527
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,160
of conversations again have an

1528
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,160
extreme fiscal impact that

1529
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,160
I would prefer to discuss a

1530
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:15,160
finance and personnel because it is

1531
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,160
a huge fiscal impact

1532
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,160
I just want to bring this back to

1533
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,160
the discussions that

1534
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,160
Elder Mack on the drop link

1535
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:25,160
does this software upgrade

1536
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,160
suddenly lead to an existential

1537
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,160
revisiting of all things

1538
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,160
related to parking and parking

1539
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,160
related fees apparently in this

1540
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,160
window it has however as several

1541
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:37,160
people have said if someone wants

1542
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:39,160
to put in a communication

1543
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,160
to revisit the entire

1544
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:43,160
regime that we use on parking and

1545
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,160
parking fees that would be a

1546
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,160
separate matter to be

1547
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,160
a software upgrade

1548
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,160
back to finance and personnel

1549
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:53,160
to clarify some related issues

1550
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,160
so Elder Hodges do you have the

1551
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,160
floor?

1552
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,160
Yeah I think I just need

1553
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,160
clarification as far as

1554
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:03,160
which department should be involved

1555
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,160
my main question is

1556
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,160
I think more of the

1557
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,160
operational standpoint

1558
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,160
what is the rollout strategy

1559
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,160
I want to understand the

1560
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:15,160
educational components for elders

1561
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,160
who may not know how to use

1562
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,160
this technology

1563
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:23,160
and also

1564
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:27,160
I believe in the proposal

1565
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,160
we are considering removing

1566
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,160
coin meters in its entirety

1567
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:33,160
is that correct?

1568
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,160
Yeah

1569
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:45,160
Elder Max points

1570
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,160
well taken so

1571
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,160
Elder Hodges this would be a great

1572
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,160
question if the motion to

1573
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:53,160
refer back failed and we were

1574
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,160
having the general debate on the

1575
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:57,160
floor of the council here today

1576
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,160
or if the motion to refer would be

1577
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,160
successful the time to bring it

1578
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,160
back to the full council but what is

1579
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,160
before us right now is a motion

1580
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:07,160
to refer the item back to the

1581
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,160
committee not to short circuit the

1582
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,160
debate on it but the motion is

1583
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,160
to refer the item to a committee

1584
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,160
to answer and clarify those questions

1585
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,160
in a more deliberate way than I

1586
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,160
think it was more people at least

1587
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:21,160
one potentially two additional

1588
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,160
venues to answer those questions.

1589
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,160
I don't mean to cut off your questions

1590
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:27,160
they are good questions but

1591
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,160
Elder Max point of order is well

1592
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,160
a discussion on the motion before

1593
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,160
us with just as a reminder is to

1594
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,160
refer this item back to

1595
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:37,160
finance and personnel.

1596
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,160
Seeing none when the clerk calls

1597
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,160
your name the motion before us is

1598
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:43,160
to refer this item back to

1599
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,160
finance and personnel when the

1600
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,160
clerk calls your name please vote

1601
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:49,160
as you wish.

1602
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,160
Elder Kelly

1603
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,160
Aye

1604
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,160
Elder Harmon

1605
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,160
Elder Bhavon

1606
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:59,160
Elder Mack

1607
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,160
Elder Jorgensen

1608
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:03,160
Elder Weiner

1609
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,160
Elder Horden

1610
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,160
Elder Hodges

1611
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:09,160
Elder Allen

1612
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:11,160
Elder Peay

1613
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,160
Elder Lan

1614
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:14,160
The motion referred to

1615
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,160
finance and personnel has passed

1616
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:17,160
unanimously.

1617
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:19,160
Elder Lan did you have any other

1618
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,160
requests for separate consideration

1619
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:23,160
on the items on your committee

1620
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:25,160
report?

1621
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:27,160
We will be placed on the consent agenda

1622
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,160
and we will move on to

1623
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,160
Elder Harmon for the public works

1624
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:33,160
and services committee report.

1625
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,160
Did you have any items for separate

1626
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,160
consideration?

1627
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:39,160
Then without objection the public

1628
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,160
works and services committee report

1629
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,160
will be placed on the consent agenda

1630
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,160
and then we will move on to public

1631
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:47,160
safety and licensing where I

1632
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,160
believe all the fees have one item

1633
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:51,160
for separate consideration.

1634
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,160
Elder Peay would you please read

1635
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,160
that item?

1636
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,160
The appearance of Natasha Evans

1637
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,160
agent for select 627

1638
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:00,160
located at 1111

1639
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:02,160
Watson Avenue

1640
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:04,160
pursuant to a formal expression

1641
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,160
concerning also a request and

1642
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,160
consideration of rescinding the

1643
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,160
formal expression of concern

1644
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:12,160
based on the committee report

1645
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,160
moved to approve.

1646
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,160
There's a motion

1647
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,160
and a second to approve this item

1648
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,160
I'll repeat.

1649
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,160
Did you want to speak further?

1650
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,160
I will not be supporting

1651
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,160
this motion

1652
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,160
and I would like to turn it over

1653
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,160
to all the Kelly first.

1654
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,160
I'm sorry, Elder Kelly.

1655
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,160
I did not see a virtual hand

1656
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:36,160
raised there.

1657
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,160
Elder Kelly, you have the floor.

1658
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:40,160
Thank you.

1659
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:42,160
As the maker of the

1660
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:44,160
motion at the committee

1661
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,160
I also, you know,

1662
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,160
I've had a lot of people

1663
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:50,160
reach out to me

1664
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,160
constituents business owners

1665
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:54,160
since our public safety

1666
01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:56,160
and licensing meeting

1667
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,160
last week

1668
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:00,160
and in good faith I cannot

1669
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:02,160
support the decision that

1670
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,160
I made or we made at

1671
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,160
the committee level.

1672
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,160
And, you know,

1673
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,160
I think the right thing

1674
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:12,160
is to

1675
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,160
receive an

1676
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:18,160
file or however

1677
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,160
the city attorney

1678
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,160
is advising us

1679
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,160
but I'm not going to

1680
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,160
support the committee's

1681
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,160
decision at this point.

1682
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,160
So, I'm just going to ask the

1683
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:32,160
city attorney to comment on

1684
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:34,160
where we are proceeding to be here

1685
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:36,160
because we do have a motion

1686
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:38,160
that was made to approve the

1687
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:40,160
item with the maker of the motion

1688
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:42,160
is now saying that he's against it

1689
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:44,160
and Elder Kelly is asking

1690
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,160
what the appropriate motion might

1691
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,160
be.

1692
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,160
So, I asked the city attorney to

1693
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,160
comment on procedurally what's

1694
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,160
the appropriate stance here?

1695
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,160
Well, I mean, right now the

1696
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,160
motion is to approve unless

1697
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,160
Elder Kelly wants to make an

1698
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,160
amended motion to receive a

1699
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,160
file.

1700
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:06,160
I will say the discussion with a

1701
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,160
few orders I've had about this

1702
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,160
wouldn't have had it received

1703
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,160
and filed, it would have had it

1704
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:14,160
referred to the city attorney's

1705
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:16,160
decision.

1706
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,160
It would be a motion that

1707
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:20,160
for their disciplinary

1708
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,160
proceedings as exists pursuant

1709
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:24,160
to Racina ordinance 627 B1

1710
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:26,160
but it's the council's decision

1711
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:28,160
to make.

1712
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:30,160
Elder Kelly, did you hear that?

1713
01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:32,160
Yes.

1714
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,160
So, if I'm understanding you

1715
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:36,160
correctly, I could make a motion

1716
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,160
to have this move to the

1717
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:40,160
attorney's office.

1718
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,160
If you don't mind, Elder Kelly,

1719
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:44,160
I would say that the attorney

1720
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:46,160
repeat the potential motion

1721
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:48,160
that he stated before and if you

1722
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:50,160
want to be the maker of that

1723
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,160
motion, that would be appropriate

1724
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:54,160
at this time.

1725
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,160
Okay.

1726
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:58,160
So, the motion would be to

1727
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:00,160
refer the licensee to the city

1728
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,160
attorney's office for consideration

1729
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,160
of further disciplinary

1730
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,160
proceedings as contemplated by

1731
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,160
Racina ordinances.

1732
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,160
So moved.

1733
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:12,160
I would like to speak any further

1734
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,160
to this motion.

1735
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:16,160
You know, I went back a little

1736
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:18,160
bit in the archives and

1737
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:20,160
the original license came

1738
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:24,160
before us January of 2024.

1739
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:26,160
And a couple of the items that

1740
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,160
really stick out to me is

1741
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:30,160
in the license application.

1742
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:32,160
It stated that, you know,

1743
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,160
that this would

1744
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,160
be a betterment for the city

1745
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:38,160
of Racine residents.

1746
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,160
I have not yet seen that

1747
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,160
happen.

1748
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,160
You know, the

1749
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:48,160
lack of working with our

1750
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:50,160
police officers who are

1751
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,160
dispatched there quite often

1752
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,160
is very concerning to me.

1753
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:56,160
And this has been going on

1754
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,160
for quite some time now.

1755
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:00,160
Um, you know, the, you know,

1756
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,160
the, um,

1757
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,160
you know, like I said, the

1758
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:06,160
application was January of

1759
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,160
2024.

1760
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,160
So we've kind of been going

1761
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:12,160
around and around with this.

1762
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,160
So, um, I think this is the

1763
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:16,160
right direction that we need to be

1764
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:18,160
headed.

1765
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,160
Thank you.

1766
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,160
All the Davis.

1767
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,160
Thank you.

1768
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,160
Um, tonight I want to speak about

1769
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,160
something that's bigger than

1770
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,160
licensing.

1771
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:32,160
It's bigger than one

1772
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:34,160
establishment.

1773
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:36,160
Bigger than one incident.

1774
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:38,160
And I like to talk about

1775
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,160
community accountability.

1776
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:42,160
Every time an incident occurs

1777
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:44,160
at one of our local

1778
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:46,160
establishments, the conversation

1779
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:48,160
quickly becomes, what should

1780
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,160
the owner have done?

1781
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:52,160
Now, that's a fair question.

1782
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,160
But I believe it's an

1783
01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:56,160
incomplete question.

1784
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:58,160
We should also be asking

1785
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,160
what responsibility belongs to

1786
02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,160
the patrons?

1787
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:04,160
What responsibility belongs to

1788
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,160
law enforcement?

1789
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:08,160
What responsibility belongs to

1790
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,160
us as a community?

1791
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:12,160
Because accountability

1792
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,160
doesn't just begin in with a

1793
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:16,160
business owner.

1794
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:18,160
Business owners have

1795
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:20,160
responsibility.

1796
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:22,160
Law enforcement has

1797
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:24,160
responsibilities.

1798
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:26,160
City leaders have

1799
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,160
responsibilities to.

1800
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:32,160
If an individual chooses violence,

1801
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:34,160
if someone carries a weapon,

1802
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:38,160
if someone starts a fight,

1803
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:40,160
if someone refuses to walk away,

1804
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:44,160
those are personal decisions.

1805
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:46,160
Accountability should

1806
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:48,160
follow the person who made

1807
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,160
that choice.

1808
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:54,160
Too often we ask business owners

1809
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:56,160
to answer for decisions they

1810
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:58,160
did not make.

1811
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,160
That doesn't mean

1812
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,160
owners shouldn't be held accountable.

1813
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:04,160
When they fail to meet the

1814
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:06,160
obligations, they absolutely should.

1815
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:08,160
But it also means that we

1816
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,160
cannot ignore the role

1817
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:12,160
individual choices play in

1818
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:14,160
creating safe and unsafe

1819
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,160
environments.

1820
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:18,160
Every person, every person

1821
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:20,160
deserves to enjoy a night out

1822
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,160
and return home safely.

1823
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:24,160
Every person that includes

1824
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:26,160
the customer,

1825
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:28,160
the bartender,

1826
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,160
the DJ,

1827
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:32,160
the security guard,

1828
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:34,160
the server,

1829
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:36,160
the business owner,

1830
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:38,160
and the police officers

1831
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:40,160
responding to the call.

1832
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:42,160
A neighbor who simply want

1833
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:44,160
peace in their community.

1834
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:46,160
Every single person

1835
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:48,160
deserves to be held

1836
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:50,160
safely.

1837
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:52,160
These places are places

1838
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:54,160
where people celebrate their

1839
02:01:54,160 --> 02:01:56,160
birthdays,

1840
02:01:56,160 --> 02:01:58,160
where old friends we connect,

1841
02:01:58,160 --> 02:02:00,160
where families gather,

1842
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:02,160
where music is shared,

1843
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:04,160
where entrepreneurs

1844
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:06,160
invest their dreams.

1845
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,160
Many of these owners

1846
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:10,160
have poured years of

1847
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,160
hard work,

1848
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:14,160
sacrifice, and hope

1849
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,160
is building something

1850
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:20,160
positive for our community.

1851
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,160
If we truly want to

1852
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:24,160
support local businesses,

1853
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:26,160
support must be more than

1854
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:28,160
showing up.

1855
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,160
Support means protecting

1856
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:32,160
them, protecting them

1857
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,160
with our choices,

1858
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,160
protecting them with our

1859
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,160
words, protecting them by

1860
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:40,160
walking away instead of

1861
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:42,160
escalating, protecting them by

1862
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:44,160
looking out for one another

1863
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,160
because one moment, one poor

1864
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:48,160
decision, one unnecessary

1865
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,160
act of violence

1866
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:52,160
can change someone's life

1867
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,160
forever.

1868
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,160
I believe we can do better.

1869
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:58,160
I believe we should expect more

1870
02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:00,160
of ourselves, not because

1871
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:02,160
someone is watching, but

1872
02:03:02,160 --> 02:03:04,160
because we choose to be

1873
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:06,160
less become known as a community

1874
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:08,160
that values respect over

1875
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:10,160
retaliation, peace over

1876
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:12,160
pride, responsibilities

1877
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:14,160
over excuses.

1878
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,160
Let's create spaces where

1879
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:18,160
people feel welcome, where

1880
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,160
businesses can thrive, and

1881
02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:22,160
where families know they can

1882
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:24,160
gather safely, because at the end

1883
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:26,160
of the day, everyone deserves

1884
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:28,160
to enjoy themselves, and

1885
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:30,160
everyone deserves to return

1886
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:32,160
home safely.

1887
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:34,160
So tonight, I just leave

1888
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:36,160
you with this challenge.

1889
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:38,160
Protect the people, protect the

1890
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:40,160
place, and help everyone get

1891
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:42,160
home safely, because the thing

1892
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:44,160
is, as I brought up in

1893
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:48,160
committee, we have to look into

1894
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:50,160
accountability for all the

1895
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:52,160
characters, especially the

1896
02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:54,160
patrons who are coming

1897
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:56,160
and interrupting folks'

1898
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:58,160
business in their livelihoods.

1899
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:00,160
So if you watch the committee

1900
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:02,160
meeting, I brought up the

1901
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:04,160
concern of ordering.

1902
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:06,160
What does ordering look like?

1903
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:08,160
How do we move forward with law

1904
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,160
and how do we take it in?

1905
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:16,160
So I'm speaking against

1906
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:18,160
the motion that was put forward

1907
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:20,160
by Arthur Kelly to move forward

1908
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:22,160
with City Attorney, because

1909
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:24,160
the conversation is deeper than

1910
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:26,160
just one spot.

1911
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:28,160
It's about this community, and we

1912
02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:30,160
need to dive deep in the

1913
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,160
Lordering ordinance, our

1914
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:34,160
disorderly conduct ordinance, and

1915
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:36,160
actually stick it to the people

1916
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:38,160
that are coming in, and

1917
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,160
interrupting folks'

1918
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:42,160
businesses.

1919
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:44,160
I'm completely.

1920
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:46,160
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1921
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,160
I'm going to speak in favor of

1922
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,160
sending this to the City

1923
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:51,160
Attorney's office.

1924
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:53,160
I recognize this particular

1925
02:04:53,160 --> 02:04:55,160
business from my time on public

1926
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:57,160
safety and licensing, and I'm

1927
02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:58,160
the sergeant there that provides

1928
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:00,160
the licensed premise report does

1929
02:05:00,160 --> 02:05:02,160
a fantastic job of explaining

1930
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:04,160
what is going on, just because

1931
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:06,160
sometimes it's the bartender's

1932
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:08,160
calling for a disruptive patron,

1933
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,160
what have you, and that's what

1934
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,160
the committee considers.

1935
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:14,160
I do think that we're talking

1936
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,160
about accountability, and I think

1937
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:18,160
the police department does a great

1938
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:20,160
job of responding to these.

1939
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:22,160
Are there ordinances and whatnot

1940
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:24,160
that could be enforced better

1941
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,160
absolutely, but that is a

1942
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:28,160
conversation that's being preferred,

1943
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:30,160
actually, to have that conversation.

1944
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:32,160
And I think accountability

1945
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:34,160
is that yes, this particular

1946
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:36,160
establishment is at this point

1947
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:38,160
where I believe this is just

1948
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:40,160
justified, but there are some

1949
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:42,160
other establishments that are to

1950
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:44,160
that point as well.

1951
02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:46,160
So we need to apply that equally

1952
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:47,160
in my opinion.

1953
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:49,160
I'm no longer on the committee, but

1954
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:51,160
I can express my opinion as an

1955
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,160
alder, and I am in support of this

1956
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:55,160
because this is an issue that needs

1957
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:57,160
to be addressed, but it's the same

1958
02:05:57,160 --> 02:05:59,160
way as we ask citizens to take

1959
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:01,160
accountability for speeding,

1960
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:03,160
changing the behavior.

1961
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:05,160
It's understanding that you are

1962
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:07,160
part of this giant ecosystem

1963
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,160
that supports our local community,

1964
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:11,160
and you have to do your part.

1965
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:13,160
People don't, but that's what the

1966
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:15,160
police department is there for,

1967
02:06:15,160 --> 02:06:17,160
to enforce the laws.

1968
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:19,160
And if they're not, then that's

1969
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:21,160
the separate conversation we need

1970
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,160
to be having, but if we've already

1971
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,160
given business owners the

1972
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:27,160
opportunities, the resources, and

1973
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:29,160
they've already had good neighbors

1974
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:31,160
and they've given them the

1975
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:33,160
particular few establishments that

1976
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:35,160
are always on that premise report

1977
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:37,160
because it is an issue.

1978
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:38,160
So it's not everyone.

1979
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:40,160
So there is something unique to

1980
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,160
those situations where we've

1981
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:43,160
given them the resources and the

1982
02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:44,160
tools.

1983
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:45,160
It's up to them to utilize, and

1984
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:46,160
now we're at the point where I

1985
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:47,160
believe we have exhausted that.

1986
02:06:47,160 --> 02:06:48,160
We've done our diligence and it's

1987
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:50,160
up for them to deal with the city

1988
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:52,160
attorney's office to come up with

1989
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:53,160
an understanding.

1990
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:55,160
So I will support it to send it

1991
02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:56,160
to the city attorney's office.

1992
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:57,160
Thank you.

1993
02:06:58,160 --> 02:07:00,160
I just wanted to say that I'm

1994
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:02,160
in support of Elder Kelly's

1995
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:04,160
motion to refer it.

1996
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:06,160
Obviously, I'm a newer member of

1997
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:08,160
the committee, so I didn't have

1998
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:10,160
some of the background that was

1999
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,160
later shared from previous years.

2000
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:15,160
Basically, for me, it came down

2001
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:17,160
to two establishments that were

2002
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:18,160
called in.

2003
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:20,160
One took ownership, one didn't.

2004
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:22,160
One talked about collaborating

2005
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:24,160
with the police, the cop house

2006
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:25,160
downtown.

2007
02:07:26,160 --> 02:07:28,160
One talked about being on site

2008
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:30,160
during these times that they knew

2009
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:32,160
were troublesome being in the

2010
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:34,160
establishment to be a presence,

2011
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:36,160
putting things in place to try to

2012
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:38,160
curb some of the behavior.

2013
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,160
And I just really felt like the

2014
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:42,160
other just talked about not even

2015
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:44,160
being there, what our bartenders

2016
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:46,160
are telling her, and also just

2017
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:48,160
the blocking the law enforcement

2018
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:50,160
when they're coming in to try to

2019
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:52,160
respond to calls.

2020
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:54,160
I know that we've had some

2021
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:56,160
public speakers tonight, and we've

2022
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:57,160
had some discussion at committee

2023
02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:58,160
about consistency.

2024
02:07:58,160 --> 02:08:00,160
That is definitely something that

2025
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:01,160
I want to be a part of.

2026
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:03,160
I want to be a part of fairness.

2027
02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:05,160
I want to be a part of consistency.

2028
02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:07,160
And when I left the meeting, I

2029
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:09,160
felt like the consequence for

2030
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:10,160
these two establishments didn't

2031
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:11,160
feel fair.

2032
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:13,160
I felt like one was really

2033
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:14,160
collaborating and working.

2034
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:16,160
I also agree that the

2035
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:18,160
conversations about loitering and

2036
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:20,160
what we can do to support when

2037
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:21,160
they're implementing strategies

2038
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:23,160
and people are continuing to just

2039
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,160
stay in the area.

2040
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:26,160
I really appreciate those conversations

2041
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:28,160
too, how we can support those

2042
02:08:28,160 --> 02:08:30,160
business owners, but I also feel

2043
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:32,160
that just the one establishment

2044
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,160
didn't seem to take the ownership

2045
02:08:34,160 --> 02:08:36,160
or even just be in the vicinity

2046
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:38,160
when things are happening.

2047
02:08:38,160 --> 02:08:40,160
And so I would support all

2048
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:41,160
of this motion.

2049
02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:43,160
All of the Frazier.

2050
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:46,160
I have a question for the city

2051
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:47,160
attorney.

2052
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:49,160
Please take your question.

2053
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:52,160
So this gets referred to your

2054
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:53,160
office.

2055
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:56,160
Can you just explain what the next

2056
02:08:56,160 --> 02:08:59,160
steps are so that we're all on the

2057
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:02,160
same page of what the next steps

2058
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:04,160
could possibly look like?

2059
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:05,160
Sure.

2060
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:09,160
Formally it's referred for potential

2061
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:11,160
disciplinary proceedings.

2062
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:15,160
Again, the formal process would be

2063
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:18,160
for a complaint initiated by my

2064
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:19,160
officer.

2065
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:21,160
It can be a sworn complaint from

2066
02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:25,160
other people that gets found

2067
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:27,160
with the city clerk's office and

2068
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:29,160
it proceeds potentially to a due

2069
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:30,160
process hearing.

2070
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:32,160
A due process hearing, frankly,

2071
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:35,160
would be to consider whether or not

2072
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,160
to revoke the alcohol beverage

2073
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:39,160
license.

2074
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:41,160
And as you've heard me talk about

2075
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:43,160
all of you, alcohol beverage

2076
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:45,160
licenses once they are approved,

2077
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:47,160
once they're granted our property

2078
02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:49,160
right there, constitutional

2079
02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:51,160
rights piece of property that

2080
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:53,160
people have and it cannot be

2081
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:55,160
non-renewter revoked without

2082
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:56,160
process.

2083
02:09:56,160 --> 02:09:58,160
That's why there is a due

2084
02:09:58,160 --> 02:09:59,160
process board.

2085
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:01,160
So just because that process is

2086
02:10:01,160 --> 02:10:03,160
initiated does not mean

2087
02:10:03,160 --> 02:10:05,160
necessarily that a due process

2088
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:08,160
hearing will take place with the

2089
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:11,160
mind of having the license

2090
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:12,160
revoked.

2091
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,160
Quite frankly, more often there's

2092
02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:15,160
probably some sort of

2093
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:18,160
negotiations that take place in an

2094
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:20,160
attempt to settle whatever the

2095
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:22,160
issues are and we certainly would

2096
02:10:22,160 --> 02:10:24,160
involve the police department.

2097
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:26,160
If there's other, and I'm just

2098
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:28,160
making this up right now, if there's

2099
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:30,160
building coal violations or health

2100
02:10:30,160 --> 02:10:32,160
department violations, those

2101
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:34,160
departments would be involved as

2102
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:35,160
well.

2103
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:37,160
Sometimes there's a suggestion of

2104
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:39,160
more security or more cameras or

2105
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:41,160
changing of hours or any number of

2106
02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:42,160
things.

2107
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:44,160
Whatever we might come up with and

2108
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:46,160
it's attorney poplin that

2109
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:48,160
would go back then to the public

2110
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:50,160
safety and licensing committee.

2111
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:52,160
For consideration, if that committee

2112
02:10:52,160 --> 02:10:54,160
didn't like whatever that was,

2113
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:56,160
the either tell us to go try again

2114
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:58,160
or I suppose potentially say we're

2115
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:00,160
not going to be happy with anything

2116
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:02,160
just move forward with the due

2117
02:11:02,160 --> 02:11:03,160
process hearing.

2118
02:11:03,160 --> 02:11:06,160
But again, that becomes a matter of

2119
02:11:06,160 --> 02:11:08,160
prosecutorial discretion essentially

2120
02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:10,160
in the city attorney's office to

2121
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,160
then move forward to that hearing.

2122
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:14,160
And there is a due process board,

2123
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:16,160
of course, you know, that the city has.

2124
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:18,160
And then my follow-up question,

2125
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:20,160
this is kind of putting the car

2126
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:22,160
before the horse, but I think it's

2127
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:24,160
important to ask is, if there is

2128
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:26,160
some type of agreement that's

2129
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:28,160
reached, are there checks and

2130
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:30,160
balances in place for that business?

2131
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,160
There are conditions, compliance

2132
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:34,160
conditions, generally speaking.

2133
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:36,160
There could be, you know, a lot of

2134
02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:37,160
things.

2135
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:39,160
There are conditions, you know,

2136
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:41,160
compliance conditions, generally

2137
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:43,160
speaking, there could be, and again,

2138
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:44,160
I'm just making this up.

2139
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:46,160
I don't know if it exists in this case,

2140
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:48,160
but there could be requirements of

2141
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,160
inspections, certainly the

2142
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:52,160
requirements of cooperation with

2143
02:11:52,160 --> 02:11:54,160
police and other city authorities.

2144
02:11:54,160 --> 02:11:56,160
So there would be a requirement to

2145
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:58,160
comply with whatever the agreement

2146
02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:00,160
is and failure to comply with the

2147
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:02,160
agreement, then could result in

2148
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:04,160
immediately being sent to a due

2149
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:06,160
system.

2150
02:12:06,160 --> 02:12:08,160
I have a question for the chief.

2151
02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:12,160
Sorry to make you walk.

2152
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:14,160
So while you walk, I know you can

2153
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:16,160
hear me.

2154
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,160
So I'd just like to get your

2155
02:12:18,160 --> 02:12:22,160
feedback on this particular issue,

2156
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:24,160
just so, again, there is full

2157
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:26,160
disclosure and we're all on the

2158
02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:28,160
same page and hearing the same

2159
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:30,160
information.

2160
02:12:30,160 --> 02:12:32,160
When it comes to certain

2161
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:34,160
concerns, I'm not sure where

2162
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:36,160
the

2163
02:12:36,160 --> 02:12:38,160
report is.

2164
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:40,160
Obviously, public safety is

2165
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:42,160
our number one concern.

2166
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,160
What we do is on the reports that

2167
02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:46,160
we give to the public safety and

2168
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,160
license committee are factual

2169
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:50,160
incidents that happen.

2170
02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:52,160
We leave it up to the community

2171
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:54,160
to vote to continue.

2172
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:56,160
Sometimes it does get referred to

2173
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:58,160
the city attorney's office.

2174
02:12:58,160 --> 02:13:00,160
When we spend a lot of resources

2175
02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:02,160
that we still got to protect the

2176
02:13:02,160 --> 02:13:04,160
city with 15 square miles.

2177
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:06,160
It's a lot.

2178
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:08,160
This particular location demands our

2179
02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:10,160
resources.

2180
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:12,160
We've had some extreme violence over

2181
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:14,160
there.

2182
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:16,160
When we had a young lady get killed

2183
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:18,160
just for doing a tick-tock.

2184
02:13:18,160 --> 02:13:20,160
Maybe we had a shooting a couple

2185
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:22,160
weeks ago over the weekend, but

2186
02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:24,160
two people got into it.

2187
02:13:24,160 --> 02:13:26,160
They know each other and decided to

2188
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:28,160
bring out firearms.

2189
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,160
They know each other.

2190
02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:32,160
They know each other.

2191
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:34,160
Everything that all of their

2192
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:36,160
Davis said, 100 percent accurate.

2193
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:38,160
There's a balance that we have to

2194
02:13:38,160 --> 02:13:40,160
have.

2195
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:42,160
I'm struggling because it is

2196
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:44,160
my district.

2197
02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:46,160
I want to be supportive

2198
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:48,160
and a voice for

2199
02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:50,160
everyone in my district.

2200
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:52,160
However, the accountability piece

2201
02:13:52,160 --> 02:13:54,160
as Audra Pobon

2202
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:58,160
hit on is major.

2203
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:00,160
With this, we don't know what's

2204
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,160
going to happen next.

2205
02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:04,160
If this motion passes by other

2206
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:06,160
Kelly, I do think that this is

2207
02:14:06,160 --> 02:14:08,160
an appropriate step.

2208
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:10,160
Considering, you know,

2209
02:14:10,160 --> 02:14:12,160
it was initially agreed to go to

2210
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:14,160
a good neighbors meeting.

2211
02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:16,160
I think this puts a little bit

2212
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:18,160
more onus on the business owner.

2213
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:20,160
A little bit more pressure to

2214
02:14:20,160 --> 02:14:22,160
rectify some of the issues.

2215
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:26,160
I will support this motion

2216
02:14:26,160 --> 02:14:30,160
in hopes that we can come to

2217
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:32,160
some sort of agreement.

2218
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:34,160
In addition to what other

2219
02:14:34,160 --> 02:14:36,160
Davis eloquently put out,

2220
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:38,160
have a broader conversation

2221
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:40,160
about support for these businesses

2222
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:42,160
and holding these

2223
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:44,160
I'm not to call them,

2224
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:46,160
but the participants

2225
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:48,160
or the people who attend these

2226
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:50,160
businesses, holding them accountable.

2227
02:14:50,160 --> 02:14:52,160
I think that that's a broader

2228
02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:54,160
conversation.

2229
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:56,160
Thank you.

2230
02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:58,160
We do have four more people in the

2231
02:14:58,160 --> 02:15:00,160
queue.

2232
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:02,160
Again, if you were more than welcome

2233
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:04,160
to offer your comments on the item,

2234
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:06,160
but if you feel like the comments

2235
02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:08,160
have already been made,

2236
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:10,160
we could also move the conversation

2237
02:15:10,160 --> 02:15:12,160
along Audra Machia before.

2238
02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:14,160
Thank you.

2239
02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:16,160
On my prior

2240
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:18,160
tenure with the council,

2241
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:20,160
I was very interested in

2242
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:22,160
licensing.

2243
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:24,160
Chair of that committee

2244
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:26,160
for a couple of years

2245
02:15:26,160 --> 02:15:28,160
and became very familiar with

2246
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:30,160
bars that were frequent

2247
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:32,160
flyers.

2248
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:34,160
And yet there are bars out there

2249
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:36,160
that you never hear from.

2250
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:38,160
And so

2251
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:40,160
one has to ask the question

2252
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:42,160
why is that?

2253
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:44,160
Alderman Davis raises some good

2254
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:46,160
questions.

2255
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,160
I'm going to ask back

2256
02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:50,160
20 years ago

2257
02:15:50,160 --> 02:15:52,160
with

2258
02:15:52,160 --> 02:15:54,160
some of the issues that we were

2259
02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:56,160
seeing because it is like a

2260
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:58,160
stool you have.

2261
02:15:58,160 --> 02:16:00,160
The business owner is one leg.

2262
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:02,160
The patrons are another leg.

2263
02:16:02,160 --> 02:16:04,160
The community or law enforcement

2264
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:06,160
said third leg.

2265
02:16:06,160 --> 02:16:08,160
We'd see 100 people spill

2266
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:10,160
out onto six street

2267
02:16:10,160 --> 02:16:12,160
and all the police department.

2268
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:14,160
The question was raised.

2269
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:16,160
Why aren't you citing

2270
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:18,160
the unruly patrons

2271
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:20,160
and, quite frankly,

2272
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:22,160
law enforcement had all they could

2273
02:16:22,160 --> 02:16:24,160
do just to try to maintain

2274
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:26,160
order and move them along.

2275
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:28,160
I would have loved to have seen

2276
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:30,160
law enforcement write, you know,

2277
02:16:30,160 --> 02:16:32,160
hundreds of citations.

2278
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:34,160
And, you know, that

2279
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,160
two prong approach there,

2280
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:38,160
but it wasn't feasible.

2281
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,160
So we trust the committee

2282
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,160
to do the heavy lifting

2283
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:44,160
to ask the serious questions

2284
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:46,160
to make the right decisions.

2285
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,160
This is kind of unusual that

2286
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,160
we are seeing

2287
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:54,160
an issue like this

2288
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:56,160
brought forth on the

2289
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,160
floor of the council

2290
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,160
for a

2291
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,160
um

2292
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:04,160
for action that

2293
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,160
is contrary to what the

2294
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,160
the committee saw.

2295
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,160
And it

2296
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:12,160
I did a quick glance

2297
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:14,160
and the fact that

2298
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:16,160
this bar appears to be a frequent

2299
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,160
flyer. This is not the first time

2300
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,160
they appeared. I looked at

2301
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:22,160
what happened and it doesn't appear

2302
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,160
that this is a situation

2303
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:28,160
where the patrons are

2304
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:30,160
necessarily driving

2305
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,160
the action

2306
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,160
in two cases. You had

2307
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:36,160
bartenders or

2308
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:38,160
staff that were

2309
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,160
representing law enforcement

2310
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,160
from coming in. That there were

2311
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:44,160
patrons in there. I don't know if

2312
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:46,160
it was after hours. I don't have

2313
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:48,160
that level of detail.

2314
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:50,160
But the fact that

2315
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,160
one, you have an unlicensed bartender

2316
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:54,160
and the owner has gone home,

2317
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:56,160
that's unacceptable.

2318
02:17:56,160 --> 02:17:58,160
Two, you have the doors locked

2319
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,160
and you have patrons in there

2320
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:02,160
that's unacceptable.

2321
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:04,160
And I think the prudent action

2322
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:06,160
is to refer to

2323
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:08,160
for further action.

2324
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:10,160
And hopefully it's a wake-up call

2325
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:12,160
for the bar. I

2326
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,160
was a big advocate

2327
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:16,160
twenty years ago in

2328
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,160
negotiating settlements

2329
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:20,160
with taverns that were having

2330
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:22,160
problems coming up

2331
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:24,160
with a solution and

2332
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:26,160
holding them accountable

2333
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:28,160
for that to see if it

2334
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,160
helped. There was a bar in

2335
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:32,160
Alderman Widener's district, I

2336
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:34,160
believe, uh, Keckel Jax

2337
02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:36,160
and we were

2338
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,160
coming pretty close to shutting

2339
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:40,160
them down and

2340
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:42,160
they, I think, got the message

2341
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,160
and implemented some

2342
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:46,160
things that prevented

2343
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:48,160
further problems like

2344
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:52,160
underage patrons,

2345
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,160
you know, through buying

2346
02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:56,160
equipment that helped the

2347
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:58,160
process. So I support

2348
02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:00,160
sending it to the city attorney's

2349
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:02,160
office. Thank you.

2350
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:06,160
Thank you. I will agree

2351
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:08,160
with Alderman Mack.

2352
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:10,160
It is unusual

2353
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,160
that the committee

2354
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:14,160
makes one decision and then

2355
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,160
we are asked to

2356
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:18,160
consider a different direction.

2357
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,160
I think, uh,

2358
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:22,160
also with

2359
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:24,160
Alderman Townsend,

2360
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:26,160
I'm sorry.

2361
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:28,160
I also agree with the consistency

2362
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:30,160
and the accountability piece.

2363
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:32,160
And I would like to

2364
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,160
see the committee

2365
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,160
work really

2366
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:38,160
intentionally

2367
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,160
to put together a

2368
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:42,160
relationship with the businesses

2369
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,160
and, um,

2370
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,160
design a, uh,

2371
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:48,160
a partnership

2372
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:50,160
of consistency about what

2373
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:52,160
the expectations are.

2374
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,160
How do they, uh,

2375
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,160
rise above

2376
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,160
what the patrons are

2377
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:00,160
possibly going to do,

2378
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:02,160
such as bring in weapons or,

2379
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:04,160
uh, you know, other things

2380
02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:06,160
that patrons would do in that space

2381
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,160
that would be held accountable for.

2382
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:10,160
What about the policing that

2383
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:12,160
they're supposed to do or not do

2384
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,160
all the questions that they have

2385
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:16,160
and have had over the past

2386
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,160
years come up with something that

2387
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,160
does not change

2388
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,160
from one committee of one year

2389
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:24,160
to the next that can travel

2390
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:26,160
and then maybe also we

2391
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:28,160
consider what actual training

2392
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:30,160
looks like for

2393
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:32,160
that particular committee.

2394
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,160
I appreciate the

2395
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,160
attorney's definition

2396
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:38,160
of what would happen going for.

2397
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:42,160
So, as Alderman Frazier said,

2398
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:44,160
being able to support

2399
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:46,160
the businesses and what they want

2400
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:48,160
to be able to accomplish down in

2401
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:50,160
his district is important.

2402
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:52,160
I would like to think that we are

2403
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:54,160
not going to put the foot on the

2404
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:56,160
desk and just say that

2405
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,160
they have to close right now

2406
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:00,160
that they're going to lose their

2407
02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:02,160
license, that we would put in

2408
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,160
place some directives that

2409
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:06,160
they would have to respond to

2410
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:08,160
and then see how we hold them

2411
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:09,160
accountable to deeds at

2412
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:10,160
our probationary time.

2413
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:12,160
And then that would also

2414
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:14,160
coincide with the initiative

2415
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:16,160
of the committee to start

2416
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,160
working on that list of

2417
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:20,160
requirements and requisites

2418
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:22,160
that all of the businesses

2419
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:24,160
would need to respond to

2420
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,160
and then bring that information

2421
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:28,160
to the full committee.

2422
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,160
Alderman?

2423
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:32,160
Thank you, Mr.

2424
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:34,160
I too would be in support of

2425
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:36,160
this going forward.

2426
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:38,160
Public safety is important.

2427
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,160
We've had multiple

2428
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:42,160
shootings throughout the city.

2429
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,160
We've had people shot and

2430
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,160
people killed in the city and

2431
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:48,160
they have not all been violated

2432
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:50,160
but some have.

2433
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:52,160
And so I think that this would

2434
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:54,160
not be the first bar that

2435
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:56,160
has to go through this process.

2436
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:58,160
I also set on PSL

2437
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:00,160
for about three years myself

2438
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,160
and there were a time that we

2439
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:04,160
had a bar on Douglas that had

2440
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:06,160
200 people taking over the street

2441
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,160
in Douglas and we had the

2442
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,160
entire force out there to make

2443
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:12,160
sure that everybody was

2444
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:14,160
out of the street and everybody

2445
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,160
got home safe.

2446
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:18,160
The other part of it is that

2447
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:20,160
once we got to this process

2448
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:22,160
the owner themselves said

2449
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:24,160
hey, we're going to close for

2450
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:26,160
60 days and he was working

2451
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:28,160
directly with the chief.

2452
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:30,160
And so basically, you know,

2453
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,160
this is just a wake-up call and

2454
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:34,160
not saying that this bar will

2455
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:36,160
close or the license will be

2456
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:38,160
taken but it's just the

2457
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:40,160
procedures that's going to

2458
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,160
put in place for the

2459
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:44,160
owner to be successful.

2460
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:46,160
Thank you.

2461
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,160
I would like to ask the city

2462
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:50,160
attorney to restate the motion

2463
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:52,160
before we go to a vote.

2464
02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:54,160
The motion was to refer the

2465
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:56,160
licensee to the city

2466
02:22:56,160 --> 02:22:58,160
attorney's office for consideration

2467
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:00,160
of further disciplinary

2468
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:02,160
proceedings as contemplated

2469
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:04,160
by Racina Ordinance.

2470
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:06,160
When the clerk calls your

2471
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:08,160
name, please vote

2472
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,160
as you wish.

2473
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,160
Thank you.

2474
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:14,160
Aye.

2475
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:16,160
Aye.

2476
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:18,160
Aye.

2477
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:19,160
Aye.

2478
02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:20,160
Aye.

2479
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:21,160
Aye.

2480
02:23:21,160 --> 02:23:22,160
Aye.

2481
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:23,160
Aye.

2482
02:23:23,160 --> 02:23:24,160
Aye.

2483
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:25,160
Aye.

2484
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:26,160
Aye.

2485
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:27,160
Aye.

2486
02:23:27,160 --> 02:23:28,160
Aye.

2487
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,160
Aye.

2488
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:30,160
Aye.

2489
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:31,160
Aye.

2490
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:32,160
Aye.

2491
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:33,160
Aye.

2492
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:34,160
Aye.

2493
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:35,160
Aye.

2494
02:23:35,160 --> 02:23:36,160
Aye.

2495
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:37,160
Aye.

2496
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:40,160
Motion carries unanimously.

2497
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:43,160
Android Peed, did you have

2498
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:45,160
any other items for separate

2499
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:46,160
consideration?

2500
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:48,160
Then without objections,

2501
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:49,160
the remainer of this report will

2502
02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:51,160
be placed on the consent agenda.

2503
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:52,160
We'll finally go to the

2504
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:53,120
office for the mayor,

2505
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:54,120
of report.

2506
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:55,160
Then without Objections, do you

2507
02:23:55,160 --> 02:23:56,160
have any requests

2508
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:57,160
for several considerations on

2509
02:23:57,160 --> 02:23:58,160
these appointments?

2510
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,160
I did not have them.

2511
02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:01,160
Then without Objections, these

2512
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:03,160
items will be placed on the

2513
02:24:03,160 --> 02:24:04,160
consent agenda.

2514
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,160
We'll move to the consent agenda.

2515
02:24:05,160 --> 02:24:07,800
would you like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda?

2516
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:10,200
I move to approve the consent agenda.

2517
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:13,560
There's a motion to approve the consent agenda with multiple seconds.

2518
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:16,600
All those in favor of the consent agenda please say aye.

2519
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:18,680
Opposed to that motion carries.

2520
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:21,320
We are on to announcements all to promote.

2521
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:30,520
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I just want to say thank you to my colleagues and also to a lot of my

2522
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:34,760
constituents members of the city that reached out during this time, difficult time for my

2523
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:40,360
family RPD. I mean just everything has been really supportive so I really appreciate that.

2524
02:24:41,000 --> 02:24:45,240
Also I said at the last council meeting we have a ton of July birthies and my family

2525
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:48,760
I'm not going to rehash that they got their moment in the spotlight so it'll be fine.

2526
02:24:48,760 --> 02:24:53,400
But I do want to say we had a chance to visit Sam and Aramah one of their days and it was

2527
02:24:53,400 --> 02:24:58,120
fantastic. My nieces had a lot of fun. My wife and I we got to tour the veterans outreach had

2528
02:24:58,120 --> 02:25:03,160
one of their veterans tiny homes there so it was really interesting to see and they had a lot

2529
02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:08,600
of great raffles and vendors just a lot of really great stuff also that kind of goes hand in hand

2530
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:13,800
with the farmers market that's down there still going strong doing really great things if you

2531
02:25:13,800 --> 02:25:21,720
haven't been please stop by and then Sam and Will's on three mile and Douglas at the intersection

2532
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:26,040
there we we had a chance to go there great food great staff great service they're just doing

2533
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:31,080
really well on that side so kudos to them pretty thank you aller to mark

2534
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:40,680
I just want to remind everyone that I hope everyone could come out to Italian fast at Romelage

2535
02:25:42,520 --> 02:25:49,160
and usually it's a good time out there. The other thing is the recent news that just came out

2536
02:25:49,960 --> 02:25:59,880
about the recent suicide over by the lake there's been a lot of issues with mental health across

2537
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the country not only in the city we're seeing and if you ever feel like you are

2538
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just anyone who's watching if you ever feel like you're down if you ever feel like you're in that

2539
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:23,720
road there is help all you got to do is just dial 988 that's the hotline and they're really helpful

2540
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thank you aller to mark aller mac thank you I need to give a shout out to my wife

2541
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her brother has ALS and for the almost the last year she's been helping to take care of him on

2542
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Saturday and Sundays goes over there helps put him to bed it's a five six hour process

2543
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and so she decided that she was going to take a CNA class to just help gain some skills as she's

2544
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helping him so I'd like to congratulate her on completing the class passing her first

2545
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:17,080
step in getting state certification in this Friday she goes for her final

2546
02:27:18,360 --> 02:27:27,400
practical exam or whatever it is for state licensing so give a shout out to her for taking

2547
02:27:27,960 --> 02:27:33,960
that initiative and I guess it means that when I reach that point of needing help she'll

2548
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:41,160
be able to help me so I'm getting older you know so anyway congratulations Amy

2549
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all around thank you first I'm going to publicly apologize to all their davis I'm so sorry to

2550
02:27:49,720 --> 02:27:56,520
add a brain verb when I was speaking earlier called our refer to her by the wrong name so I

2551
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do apologize for that I want everyone to mark their calendars for Friday July 31st

2552
02:28:04,920 --> 02:28:12,280
we are going to have our first hey neighbor it's family day at Lockwood Park we are going to be

2553
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showing the movie Lilo and Stitch the hours are six until nine thirty so the movie will actually

2554
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start at sunset you can bring your own grill and snacks there will be some food trucks over there

2555
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and then and some music so we're looking for a lot of fun for our community of course anyone

2556
02:28:33,800 --> 02:28:41,000
is welcome to come also mark your calendar for August the 8th it will be another hey neighbor

2557
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:48,840
it's family day event at Lockwood Park it will be the first back to school event at the park

2558
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and so we're looking forward to that as well okay thank you all the land yes I would like to

2559
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echo all their pebones sentiment about the farmers market the farmers market at festival park is

2560
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really fantastic and I try to get there every week now since I finally went and there's different

2561
02:29:09,880 --> 02:29:14,360
things there and it's a really really good farmers market I think they're going to have

2562
02:29:14,360 --> 02:29:20,440
pickle fest this weekend so if you like pickles they're going to have special pickle recipes and

2563
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:31,640
pickle tasting but it's a great farmers market other Davis thank you mark your calendars for

2564
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:38,360
July 30th main gallery is having their auction I always have to make sure I've mentioned about

2565
02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:45,240
main gallery it's their gallery and auction will take place at the branch July 30th at 6 p.m.

2566
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There will be student art gallery a silent art auction photography and videography creative writing

2567
02:29:55,160 --> 02:30:02,760
some I I had a chance to get a little peep at some of the work that they're the youth were working

2568
02:30:02,760 --> 02:30:11,240
on I was at John Bryan Center and put some money in your pockets or have your cash abs or your

2569
02:30:11,240 --> 02:30:18,120
vin moles open so that you can put participate in the auction and support these main gallery

2570
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:24,040
youth that's all thank you so our main gallery program is a a long-standing program the city is

2571
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funded it is one of a few places in the country where students are actually paid as a summer job

2572
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:33,080
to create art over the summer so it's a a long-standing tradition that we've had in this

2573
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:37,560
community and it's a really great program I'd encourage everyone to take it to the to the art

2574
02:30:37,560 --> 02:30:43,480
show it's a it's a great event I'll do Mac for a second time my apologies I've never done this

2575
02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:49,800
before I forgot to mention that this Thursday at noon my wife will be performing at music and

2576
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:55,880
more at first Presbyterian downtown Racine so if you don't have anything going on at lunch time

2577
02:30:55,880 --> 02:31:03,320
come out and see Amy and the rum boogie band they have some great tunes that they've been rehearsing

2578
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:11,400
including a very gritty version of sweet dreams by the urethmics and Ella Fitzgerald some Whitney

2579
02:31:11,400 --> 02:31:21,800
youth stand so should be a fun time for all I see no other members of the council in the queue

2580
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:25,160
all the Germans and at this time I entertain a motion to adjourn I move to adjourn

2581
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:31,080
multiple seconds to adjourn all those in favor of adjournment please say aye aye opposed we are