WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 Okay, well, we have a quorum so we can get started. 00:07.000 --> 00:16.000 You have to what? 00:16.000 --> 00:22.000 I get beat box or something. 00:22.000 --> 00:29.000 I get beat box if you'd like. 00:29.000 --> 00:31.000 Good, we're good. 00:31.000 --> 00:37.000 Good evening, everyone and welcome to the Port Washington Planning Commission meeting for July 16, 2026. 00:37.000 --> 00:43.000 Roll call, we have one member is Nate coming. 00:43.000 --> 00:48.000 Nate is excused and Mr. Strum is on his way. 00:48.000 --> 00:54.000 So as roll call, is there anyone willing to make a motion to approve the previous meeting minutes? 00:54.000 --> 00:56.000 There's a motion and a second. 00:56.000 --> 00:59.000 Any questions or concerns on the minutes? 00:59.000 --> 01:02.000 Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 01:02.000 --> 01:03.000 Aye. 01:03.000 --> 01:04.000 Opposed? 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 All right, motion carries. 01:05.000 --> 01:07.000 That brings us into public comments and appearances. 01:07.000 --> 01:13.000 Is there anyone willing to make or wanting to make public comments this evening? 01:13.000 --> 01:14.000 Public comments? 01:14.000 --> 01:15.000 Public comments? 01:15.000 --> 01:20.000 All right, we're going to move into item number four, then extra territorial plat review. 01:20.000 --> 01:30.000 The consideration possible action on a proposed certified survey map to redivide two lots in the town of Port Washington, 4322 County Road, L.L. John closing and L and closing of the applicants. 01:30.000 --> 01:38.000 Planning Commission is being asked to approve the subject CSM located in the town of Port Washington as per its extra territorial plat review authority. 01:38.000 --> 01:41.000 The staff is recommending approval of the certified map. 01:41.000 --> 01:43.000 Mr. Harris. 01:43.000 --> 01:49.000 So that is kind of the summary of that agenda item kind of just kind of takes up what I have here. 01:49.000 --> 01:56.000 This is the city's using its extra territorial plat review for a proposed CSM here on the screen. 01:56.000 --> 02:04.000 And in your packet, you do see the existing lots along County Highway LL just to the east of 43. 02:04.000 --> 02:06.000 These are the two existing lots. 02:06.000 --> 02:12.000 And then we just have the reconfiguration and the creation of the new lot for the closings. 02:12.000 --> 02:16.000 This has been all approved by the town of Port Washington. 02:16.000 --> 02:22.000 And just the city's signature is remaining for its extra territorial review. 02:22.000 --> 02:24.000 And staff recommends approval. 02:24.000 --> 02:30.000 And if anyone has any questions, Mr. Pinkwitz is here to field them. 02:30.000 --> 02:33.000 Any questions? 02:33.000 --> 02:35.000 There's a motion to approve. 02:35.000 --> 02:36.000 Is there a second? 02:36.000 --> 02:37.000 Second. 02:37.000 --> 02:38.000 Second. 02:38.000 --> 02:39.000 All in the numerator. 02:39.000 --> 02:41.000 Any questions on the motion? 02:41.000 --> 02:44.000 Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 02:44.000 --> 02:45.000 Aye. 02:45.000 --> 02:46.000 Aye. 02:46.000 --> 02:47.000 Opposed? 02:47.000 --> 02:48.000 All right. 02:48.000 --> 02:49.000 Motion carries. 02:49.000 --> 02:51.000 You guys have a good night. 02:51.000 --> 02:52.000 Thank you. 02:52.000 --> 02:53.000 All right. 02:53.000 --> 03:01.000 That brings us to the second agenda item, which is the consideration and possible action on proposed 1800 square foot industrial building edition located at 1151 Mineral Springs Drive. 03:01.000 --> 03:04.000 Oliver construction company is the applicant. 03:04.000 --> 03:10.000 The plan commission is being asked to approve an application for a building site and operation plan for the proposed. 03:10.000 --> 03:22.000 For the purpose of constructing an 18,000 square foot addition to the KMC stamping facility located at 1151 Mineral Springs Spring Drive in Port Washington's industrial park. 03:22.000 --> 03:26.000 Staff recommendation is approval of the building site and operation plan subject to the following conditions. 03:26.000 --> 03:29.000 A civil plans approval by the city engineer. 03:30.000 --> 03:32.000 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 03:32.000 --> 03:40.000 So some of you probably know, some may not know, KMC stamping has two facilities in the important industrial park. 03:40.000 --> 03:50.000 The one facility on South Park Street and then the facility that's part of our discussion tonight is on mineral Springs Drive. 03:50.000 --> 03:53.000 And we see the facility highlighted on the screen. 03:54.000 --> 04:08.000 KMC is experiencing some some good business and they are requesting to add that 18,000 square foot addition to the south side of their facility. 04:08.000 --> 04:14.000 It meets all zoning. They are adding the landscaping. 04:15.000 --> 04:18.000 And this has been two design review board Tuesday night. 04:18.000 --> 04:25.000 The recommendation from the design review board was to approve as requested. 04:25.000 --> 04:34.000 And staff recommendation is to approve the building site and operation plan subject to the condition that the mayor noted. 04:35.000 --> 04:45.000 Final civil plans by the city engineer. I want to amend that and actually include a revised updated site plan. 04:45.000 --> 04:50.000 As we learned of additional site improvements on the parking lot and designer view board. 04:50.000 --> 04:55.000 But overall staff recommends approval with that condition. 04:55.000 --> 05:01.000 We have representatives from KMC that are here. If you have any further questions. 05:01.000 --> 05:05.000 I don't I'm just really excited that KMC is expanding in Port Washington. 05:05.000 --> 05:12.000 So we are very grateful that you're staying and continuing to be a great local business and provider of good jobs in Port Washington. 05:12.000 --> 05:14.000 Anybody else have anything? 05:14.000 --> 05:18.000 No, I would just like thanks for investing in Port Washington. 05:18.000 --> 05:23.000 And I hope I hope you're successful for a long, long time. 05:23.000 --> 05:25.000 Is that a motion? 05:25.000 --> 05:28.000 Yeah, I'll move to approve. 05:28.000 --> 05:34.000 So the motion to approve would be a staff recommended that the building site and operations plan subject to the following conditions. 05:34.000 --> 05:38.000 The civil plans approved by the city engineer and revise an updated site plan. 05:38.000 --> 05:39.000 Correct. 05:39.000 --> 05:41.000 So that is the motion. Is there a second? 05:41.000 --> 05:42.000 Second. 05:42.000 --> 05:43.000 Second. 05:43.000 --> 05:45.000 Any questions or concerns on the motion? 05:45.000 --> 05:48.000 All right, seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 05:48.000 --> 05:49.000 Aye. 05:49.000 --> 05:50.000 Opposed? 05:50.000 --> 05:51.000 Motion carries. 05:51.000 --> 05:54.000 It brings us to the third agenda item number six. 05:54.000 --> 06:04.000 Consideration and possible action on a concept plan for a 20-unit townhome development located at 104 West Washington Street and 365 North Wisconsin Street. 06:04.000 --> 06:06.000 Next sudden door is the applicant. 06:06.000 --> 06:18.000 Plan commission is being asked to review and approve a conceptual plan for the redevelopment of the current city police and fireblock into a 20-unit single family townhome development and the staff recommendation is to approve the concept plan. 06:18.000 --> 06:19.000 Mr. Harris. 06:19.000 --> 06:31.000 All right, so as many of you know, this block was highlighted as a key redevelopment site in the city's downtown and lakefront plan. 06:31.000 --> 06:35.000 So we see that in the slide in the image below. 06:35.000 --> 06:39.000 And so an RFP was put out. 06:40.000 --> 06:44.000 We received three responses to that RFP. 06:44.000 --> 06:58.000 All three reflected the city downtown plan vision of wrapping that block around with townhomes once we have completion of the public safety building and they have vacated the premises. 06:59.000 --> 07:01.000 We have been directed. 07:01.000 --> 07:12.000 Council has directed us to work with a fine line development to come to an agreement on the property that Council approved and offer to purchase. 07:12.000 --> 07:23.000 And now we are going through developer agreement finalization along with starting to tee up the entitlement process for his proposal. 07:23.000 --> 07:39.000 So we're starting with that tonight with the concept plan and I know you've seen this, but I think we'll just walk through it one more time. So it's a 20-unit townhome development. 07:40.000 --> 07:50.000 There's, I think there's one, two, three, four buildings, mostly, you know, side by two unit side by sides with a four unit in the rear of the lot or the west part of the lot. 07:50.000 --> 07:59.000 And a lot of this was taken to a point taken to account kind of the funky curving topography of the site. 08:00.000 --> 08:10.000 This is a view of the concept designs looking to the northwest with Wisconsin Street labeled in Washington Street's finish. 08:10.000 --> 08:19.000 So we see kind of the idea for the architecture and design of the townhomes and the earth tones that they're going to be going with, at least in this rendering. 08:19.000 --> 08:29.000 Again, looking at some of the, the main design theme on each, there is different tweaks to that, kind of the variation of that theme. 08:29.000 --> 08:36.000 And moving along and here we see a Washington Street, those are more of the walkups and with kind of the pitched roofs. 08:36.000 --> 08:45.000 And then we kind of see the, you know, looking at Jackson Street and then again, just kind of a tweaking of those designs. 08:46.000 --> 08:59.000 And that is the concept plan. I think that was, it was well received as part of the one that we received the RFPs and we are looking at a concept plan approval. 08:59.000 --> 09:12.000 Mr. Sutton Dorf is here. If you want to have any questions or comments for him, but starting tonight, we plan to roll out, you know, all the entitlements going forward and hopefully by the end of September, we've buttoned a lot of this up. 09:12.000 --> 09:16.000 But at the matter of hand, we have this concept plan for approval. 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 Thank you, Mr. Harris. Any questions? 09:20.000 --> 09:23.000 Mr. Ehrlich. 09:23.000 --> 09:32.000 So, first of all, I really, I love this concept. I think this is going to fit right in very well. 09:33.000 --> 09:42.000 I do have a question about the, why did you go with flat roofs for a portion of it? 09:42.000 --> 09:52.000 You know, I would have, I would have thought that something that would have fit a little bit for residential would have been more of the pitched rough a little steeper, pitched rough and do more of the lofty. 09:52.000 --> 09:56.000 Is it, you just lose the square footage or? 09:56.000 --> 10:02.000 It really had to do with the neighbors to the West and the views over top the development. 10:02.000 --> 10:11.000 So the Washington Street and Jackson Street buildings, they have dimensional shingles and pitched roofs, but as you can see, they're shallow. 10:11.000 --> 10:12.000 Yeah. 10:12.000 --> 10:13.000 Yeah. 10:13.000 --> 10:18.000 And that was to keep the overhaul height down across the being kind to the neighbors. 10:18.000 --> 10:19.000 Okay. 10:19.000 --> 10:20.000 Okay. 10:21.000 --> 10:24.000 The Wisconsin Street buildings are closer to. 10:24.000 --> 10:29.000 The downtown, which is on the east side, more commercial. 10:29.000 --> 10:33.000 So even across our site, we were sort of trying to transition from. 10:33.000 --> 10:39.000 That feel of the downtown area to the more residential to the West, which. 10:39.000 --> 10:40.000 Okay. 10:40.000 --> 10:44.000 Okay. Yeah. I mean, I love the way you've addressed the street and. 10:45.000 --> 10:53.000 And how you've kind of worked that pushed that closer to the Wisconsin Street, pushed the buildings closer to Wisconsin. 10:53.000 --> 10:57.000 And then in the back is you have a little bit more of the parking and you have. 10:57.000 --> 11:00.000 And I like the idea that you have a little bit of a yard back there too. 11:00.000 --> 11:02.000 And it's not all just asphalt. 11:02.000 --> 11:04.000 I mean, I think you could do some really cool. 11:05.000 --> 11:13.000 Communal things within there, you know, such as a pergola or fire pits or things like that. 11:13.000 --> 11:17.000 We're, we're kicking around all those ideas right now. 11:17.000 --> 11:20.000 It's kind of shown with the two walks in that center. 11:20.000 --> 11:21.000 Space. 11:21.000 --> 11:22.000 Yeah. 11:22.000 --> 11:24.000 Yeah, we are going to incorporate something. 11:24.000 --> 11:25.000 Sure. 11:25.000 --> 11:26.000 Sure. 11:26.000 --> 11:27.000 No, I think it's. 11:27.000 --> 11:28.000 Final. 11:28.000 --> 11:30.000 It's really well done. 11:31.000 --> 11:32.000 Yeah. 11:32.000 --> 11:34.000 I agree with what Mike said. 11:34.000 --> 11:35.000 It's really nice. 11:35.000 --> 11:39.000 I like the way that you're differentiating the appearance of the buildings. 11:39.000 --> 11:42.000 It's nice that it's not all completely uniform. 11:42.000 --> 11:43.000 It's really good. 11:43.000 --> 11:47.000 I think the only thing that stuck out to me is. 11:47.000 --> 11:50.000 If the rooftop. 11:50.000 --> 11:55.000 Step back on the West Hill design. 11:55.000 --> 11:59.000 I imagine that's just so that those people have a view. 12:00.000 --> 12:01.000 Yeah. 12:01.000 --> 12:05.000 And you'll notice we only did the rooftop on the center two units. 12:05.000 --> 12:09.000 And that was to kind of maintain the view. 12:09.000 --> 12:14.000 From the people that are on Milwaukee street at the top of the hill. 12:14.000 --> 12:19.000 Looking over that had we done the rough tops on the two end units that really blocks. 12:19.000 --> 12:21.000 The people who are there now. 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 Their view to downtown. 12:23.000 --> 12:26.000 Yeah, that would be my only feedback is just. 12:27.000 --> 12:28.000 I'm a. 12:28.000 --> 12:30.000 I'm a height person and. 12:30.000 --> 12:32.000 That would be the only thing that. 12:32.000 --> 12:34.000 Maybe reconsider that. 12:34.000 --> 12:37.000 But overall, I think it's a really, really nice project. 12:37.000 --> 12:38.000 It's. 12:38.000 --> 12:39.000 Great with the. 12:39.000 --> 12:41.000 Green space in the middle. 12:41.000 --> 12:43.000 Looks super nice. 12:43.000 --> 12:45.000 Thank you. 12:45.000 --> 12:48.000 Yeah, just for context for the other commissioners. 12:48.000 --> 12:51.000 Nick did a nice job with his team. 12:51.000 --> 12:54.000 I mean, they went and met with almost the entire area. 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 Made sure to demonstrate what they're doing. 12:56.000 --> 12:57.000 They did his diligence. 12:57.000 --> 12:58.000 Showed them. 12:58.000 --> 13:00.000 I mean, we had even seen. 13:00.000 --> 13:05.000 Kind of digitally created views from all of the different elevations to ensure that. 13:05.000 --> 13:08.000 You know, we didn't nothing there would disrupt it. 13:08.000 --> 13:11.000 That was really important to the council as well to ensure that. 13:11.000 --> 13:13.000 You know, we didn't put. 13:13.000 --> 13:15.000 Another mistake on the lake. 13:15.000 --> 13:20.000 You know, 14 story building right there and then just destroy the opportunity for other people to see those pieces. 13:20.000 --> 13:22.000 So you had to bring that up. 13:23.000 --> 13:24.000 What's that? 13:24.000 --> 13:25.000 Well, I've. 13:25.000 --> 13:26.000 I will. 13:26.000 --> 13:27.000 That old house. 13:27.000 --> 13:30.000 Anyways, that's just a bad thing for that. 13:30.000 --> 13:31.000 Yeah. 13:31.000 --> 13:38.000 I just want to thank Nick too, because I've heard a lot of pushback on previous ideas in that area there. 13:38.000 --> 13:40.000 And I have not heard one word from any of the residents. 13:40.000 --> 13:44.000 So thanks for giving that a lot of thought to appreciate that. 13:44.000 --> 13:46.000 I support the project. 13:46.000 --> 13:47.000 Thank you. 13:47.000 --> 13:49.000 Any other wonderings? 13:50.000 --> 13:51.000 Was that a motion then? 13:51.000 --> 13:53.000 That would be a motion to staff recommendation. 13:53.000 --> 13:54.000 All right. 13:54.000 --> 13:57.000 And again, the staff recommendation is to approve the concept plan. 13:57.000 --> 14:00.000 So any questions or concerns, otherwise looking for a second? 14:00.000 --> 14:01.000 Second. 14:01.000 --> 14:02.000 There's a second. 14:02.000 --> 14:04.000 Any questions or concerns on the motion? 14:04.000 --> 14:05.000 All right. 14:05.000 --> 14:06.000 Seeing none. 14:06.000 --> 14:07.000 All in favor signify by saying aye. 14:07.000 --> 14:08.000 Aye. 14:08.000 --> 14:09.000 Opposed? 14:09.000 --> 14:10.000 All right. 14:10.000 --> 14:11.000 Motion carries. 14:11.000 --> 14:12.000 Good luck, Mr. Sundorf. 14:12.000 --> 14:16.000 Happy fish day. 14:17.000 --> 14:22.000 I have a group of people in town and people were walking around wishing everybody a happy fish day. 14:22.000 --> 14:23.000 Totally. 14:23.000 --> 14:25.000 If you don't live here, not relevant at all. 14:25.000 --> 14:27.000 Do we just have 4th of July? 14:27.000 --> 14:30.000 Listen, if you don't live here, then don't worry about it. 14:30.000 --> 14:32.000 Happy fish day. 14:32.000 --> 14:33.000 Okay. 14:33.000 --> 14:42.000 Next one is special exemption consideration, possible action on a request for a residential shed to exceed the maximum square foot requirements located at 1027 West Third Avenue. 14:42.000 --> 14:44.000 Taylor Curtis is the applicant. 14:44.000 --> 14:52.000 The commission is being asked to approve a special exemption to allow for a backyard shed that exceeds the maximum square footage requirements and the staff recommends approval. 14:52.000 --> 14:53.000 Mr. Harris. 14:53.000 --> 14:54.000 All right. 14:54.000 --> 14:55.000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 14:55.000 --> 15:01.000 So this is one of the we haven't had a shed special exception and not many of them. 15:01.000 --> 15:03.000 In fact, I went back and looked. 15:03.000 --> 15:11.000 This is probably this is we've had two in the last 10 years as far as shed size or special exceptions of this of this kind. 15:12.000 --> 15:14.000 So just a little context there. 15:14.000 --> 15:17.000 So here's a request for a special exception. 15:17.000 --> 15:19.000 This is on West Third Avenue. 15:19.000 --> 15:26.000 It is this triangular lot kind of tucked away off of Third Avenue and the alley. 15:26.000 --> 15:35.000 And you see the location of the existing and you see the exist the location of where the new one will be. 15:35.000 --> 15:38.000 So it'll be similar. 15:39.000 --> 15:40.000 Same location. 15:40.000 --> 15:41.000 Not too much different. 15:41.000 --> 15:43.000 It'll just be a taller shed. 15:43.000 --> 15:50.000 We're going from whereas 150 feet is the standard and the request is 288 feet. 15:50.000 --> 16:02.000 And some of that rationale is just due to the notation in the zoning code where you can only have two accessory structures on your in the property. 16:03.000 --> 16:04.000 This will be the only one. 16:04.000 --> 16:14.000 And so they're they this is kind of remaining within the realm of reasonableness per the zoning code in the criteria for the special exception. 16:14.000 --> 16:19.000 So I didn't have too much to say on this. 16:19.000 --> 16:29.000 I think it is a reasonable request given the zoning code language along with the criteria that the commission can consider for granting such a special exception. 16:30.000 --> 16:33.000 And therefore my recommendation is to approve. 16:33.000 --> 16:38.000 And if you do have questions, Mr. Curtis is here for any questions. 16:38.000 --> 16:43.000 Any objections from your neighbors? 16:43.000 --> 16:51.000 So I'm sorry, you have to step up to the microphone. 16:52.000 --> 16:56.000 I haven't had any anything from the neighbors. 16:56.000 --> 17:02.000 I will say I have not spoken with the two that where the shed would be located. 17:02.000 --> 17:08.000 I guess really the only one would be the lot that backs up right to where the shed would be placed. 17:08.000 --> 17:11.000 I have not spoken with them. 17:11.000 --> 17:19.000 However, they do have a 10 foot fence already separating between the yards and then additional on our side. 17:19.000 --> 17:24.000 There's about 18 foot arbor vites that make a natural fence line as well. 17:24.000 --> 17:25.000 Thank you. 17:25.000 --> 17:28.000 Looks like there's a little shed community there anyways. 17:28.000 --> 17:32.000 Yeah, really hard to see from this illustration. 17:32.000 --> 17:38.000 But like I said, from where their shed is to where our, you know, we would like to put that the shed. 17:38.000 --> 17:44.000 And even where our existing shed is half of it would be blocked by their shed. 17:44.000 --> 17:47.000 But really the bulk of it's where those are varieties. 17:47.000 --> 17:53.000 So from a neighboring standpoint, I doubt they would even be able to see once it's done. 17:53.000 --> 17:58.000 Any other wonders, Mr. Ryer? 17:58.000 --> 18:04.000 I can understand the logic behind having one big one instead of two small ones. 18:04.000 --> 18:07.000 But for me, this is just like a ball and strike type thing. 18:07.000 --> 18:12.000 So no offense. 18:12.000 --> 18:15.000 Is there someone willing to make a motion to approve? 18:15.000 --> 18:17.000 I will make that motion. 18:17.000 --> 18:20.000 All right. Is there a second? 18:20.000 --> 18:21.000 Second. 18:21.000 --> 18:24.000 Seconded. All right. Any questions or concerns on the motion? 18:24.000 --> 18:27.000 All right. I'll never signify by saying aye. 18:27.000 --> 18:28.000 Aye. 18:28.000 --> 18:29.000 Opposed. 18:29.000 --> 18:31.000 All right. The motion carries. 18:31.000 --> 18:35.000 Okay. That brings us to the last agenda item or the second. 18:35.000 --> 18:43.000 Yeah, the last agenda item, the zoning rewrite staff update and discussion item only on a draft appendix A. 18:43.000 --> 18:50.000 Mr. Harris is going to give us a review of the draft use tables with the commission and follow up on previous discussion items. 18:50.000 --> 18:56.000 I will. Thank you. So let me just give you an update real quick. 18:56.000 --> 19:07.000 So I've received all of the draft articles for the zoning code as of just a couple of weeks ago. 19:07.000 --> 19:25.000 And it is my intent to see if you'll see the project website probably get changed tomorrow and go from just how it's rolled out by the dates into just wrapping all of the draft articles just into here is the draft zoning code. 19:26.000 --> 19:42.000 Working with the consultants and myself as we as I got the final materials and I'm reviewing and giving them feedback is to really bring this to a close in front of the commission in September. 19:42.000 --> 19:54.000 I think there's a number of things that they have to do on their end, including their own legal team to review and just getting myself because I'm still getting feedback and kind of. 19:54.000 --> 20:08.000 You know, kind of soliciting some parts of the code that I think may want to get a heads up on it for certain folks. And so if I can get that done, I think I'm really ready to get this out in September. 20:08.000 --> 20:11.000 There's a lot to it. I'll show that in a second. 20:11.000 --> 20:18.000 But I think in the end, you know, I could we could just be going around in every little tiny thing, but I think it's time to. 20:18.000 --> 20:23.000 I think it's pretty much time that we have all the drafts pretty much all lined up now. 20:23.000 --> 20:28.000 And I don't need before I get this out the door before the stress eats me up. 20:28.000 --> 20:37.000 So let me just give you a little bit of where I am and some of the feedback I've continued to get in how I'm addressing it. 20:37.000 --> 20:40.000 So on the larger scale of things. 20:40.000 --> 20:45.000 You know, you've seen this. This is the land use table that's been out there for a few months now. 20:45.000 --> 20:48.000 We've been slowly tweaking it just to. 20:48.000 --> 20:59.000 It started off a little more expansive on the allowance of multifamily into a lot of the districts, particularly the R five districts. So. 20:59.000 --> 21:07.000 Let me just say that the R one are two and the R five that 10 that makes up all pretty much all of the cities. 21:07.000 --> 21:13.000 One and two family districts that brown are five is, you know, the older neighborhoods. 21:13.000 --> 21:18.000 The single family neighborhoods and two family neighborhoods around downtown and the older parts of towns. 21:18.000 --> 21:26.000 The R ones are kind of those larger lots up by the up by the bluff on the north side and spinnaker west. 21:26.000 --> 21:34.000 And then R two is the is the most common single family neighborhood is kind of those relatively older subdivisions. 21:34.000 --> 21:41.000 And then I mean 70s and 80s and continuing on and all the newer subdivisions that we just had. 21:41.000 --> 21:48.000 And so we've been trying to roll back some of that more expansive multifamily because we're not here to make draconian changes to these districts. 21:48.000 --> 21:54.000 We're not here to, you know, try to get too expansive with multifamily. 21:54.000 --> 21:59.000 We want to maintain pretty much these single and two family neighborhoods as they are use wise. 21:59.000 --> 22:06.000 So we've been rolling them back, including the kind of the older R five district, which is now the CCM. 22:06.000 --> 22:21.000 And just allowing, you know, to continue the single to two family units and introducing some smaller scale townhomes and come up with some of those two residential districts that's been the update and the feedback. 22:22.000 --> 22:26.000 I received and just my own, you know, guiding my own self. 22:26.000 --> 22:31.000 So I think we're firming up these, these large, some of these larger use questions. 22:31.000 --> 22:39.000 Two remaining items that we just recently discussed, particularly with, you know, plan commissioner commissioner, 22:39.000 --> 22:49.000 Ryer's questions is we're looking at, you know, some of these care facility uses these CBR of larger 15 units, hospices, nursing homes. 22:49.000 --> 23:02.000 Right now, a lot of them are, you know, we see them in a long more of the commercial areas or just kind of separated off, you know, from like a subdivision. 23:02.000 --> 23:17.000 So I have, you know, my, I want to look into say if, you know, can we kind of get back to that and, you know, can we, these uses, can we have them more concentrated in more the multifamily and commercial, rather the single single and two family district. 23:17.000 --> 23:20.000 So that's the issue remaining issued address. 23:21.000 --> 23:26.000 And the last one is really, I just, this is, I'm just want to bring this to your attention. 23:26.000 --> 23:37.000 I wanted to point out with retail sales, it originally had 15,000 square feet or less of retail sales, or it had an unlimited size amount. 23:37.000 --> 23:44.000 So what I asked for is to have retail sales uses up to 50,000 square feet. 23:44.000 --> 23:57.000 And the intent of that was really to keep kind of what I see as the commercial districts in port as still relatively smaller scale, relatively speaking. 23:58.000 --> 24:03.000 I think, you know, the big box uses that we see, I think those have a home over in Grafton. 24:03.000 --> 24:10.000 And so I kind of think it should, it kind of keeps, you know, the smaller port commercial intact. 24:10.000 --> 24:16.000 So I'm, I'm, you know, we have that now and I'm just bringing that to your attention. 24:16.000 --> 24:20.000 I'm also same similarly with warehousing uses. 24:20.000 --> 24:28.000 Again, I'm, you know, and I have general here, the suggestion is they have general warehouse, no more than 50,000 square feet. 24:28.000 --> 24:32.000 The largest warehouse is under construction at the data center district. 24:32.000 --> 24:45.000 That's 50,000 square feet. And again, similarly, I think the idea was that, you know, poor Washington is not, you know, it's not the type of community is going to have the large. 24:45.000 --> 24:53.000 100, 200 half a million million square foot distribution center. So I think this kind of keeps it intact of where we are now. 24:53.000 --> 25:03.000 And that's what I wanted to bring to your attention. Again, this is a discussion item and just giving you a heads up and initial feedback. 25:03.000 --> 25:12.000 And again, you know, getting, I'm getting the, you know, follow up and inquiries, you know, offline. 25:12.000 --> 25:19.000 So that is kind of the larger one, just a smaller scale one, just to give an example of just the breadth of, you know, what we're all dealing with. 25:19.000 --> 25:31.000 And I'm a little sheepish to bring it up to begin with, but I just want to point out, you know, the idea, the suggestion was, you know, is we've seen these special uses. 25:31.000 --> 25:35.000 And again, we're not getting a decision tonight. I just want to bring it to your attention. 25:35.000 --> 25:42.000 You know, are these side driveway pads? These are in some zoning codes. 25:42.000 --> 25:59.000 Should we go in that direction or keep it as, you know, kind of the just in front of the garage doors or, you know, special exception, or just keep them as or just have the idea, have them available as a matter of right. 25:59.000 --> 26:02.000 And I just want to bring this up. It's a small. 26:02.000 --> 26:06.000 But wait, before you move on to the galvanized. Yes. Yeah, just, yeah. 26:06.000 --> 26:13.000 Is there a way in the zoning code to write it so it's discriminatory in the, in like the age of the home? 26:13.000 --> 26:22.000 So if it's a home built before 1990, you can have the side garage piece homes built after 19 or homes built after 2020. 26:22.000 --> 26:29.000 The only reason I ask is, you know, I think up to like the first home we lived in when we were kids up on Barry Avenue. 26:29.000 --> 26:32.000 Single car garage offset off the house. 26:32.000 --> 26:37.000 I mean, today you wanted to try to put a suburban in that thing. 26:37.000 --> 26:44.000 You're going to rip the mirrors in the roof rack off. So like, what do we do to accommodate older homes, et cetera? And can you can you have that? 26:44.000 --> 26:53.000 You couldn't separate out. We haven't our current zoning code. It says something built or developed after adoption of a certain date. 26:54.000 --> 26:56.000 Okay. And I'm just, I don't know what that date would be. 26:56.000 --> 26:57.000 Yeah, exactly. 26:57.000 --> 26:59.000 That would look like, I just, I don't even know if the other commissioners would like that. 26:59.000 --> 27:07.000 I just, I think if you build, if you, if you built a home or you bought a home that was built kind of in the last 15, 20 years, 27:07.000 --> 27:12.000 usually garages are appropriate in size with, et cetera. 27:12.000 --> 27:13.000 Okay. 27:13.000 --> 27:14.000 Yeah. 27:14.000 --> 27:19.000 It's, it's what I wanted to put on these little things. And yet it's the, they're the, they're the most common. 27:19.000 --> 27:23.000 Trump to goes back to Mr. Ryan bringing up a fort like we want to call balls and strikes. 27:23.000 --> 27:31.000 That's part of driving it. And one, here's one thing. I originally, I think on fencing materials, I think, 27:31.000 --> 27:39.000 I think chain link was like not a, was a prohibit, it was prohibited material, but it's a pretty common material. 27:39.000 --> 27:47.000 It's a pretty common fencing in particular in commercial and industrial areas. So I think it's, it'd be a bit much to say. 27:47.000 --> 27:53.000 And again, I'm just, just throwing this out there for feedback or your attention. 27:53.000 --> 27:59.000 You know, I think it would be a bit much to make that a such a common type of material prohibited. 27:59.000 --> 28:07.000 What I, you know, what is a suggestion is sometimes these galvanized chain link fences and commercial or industrial areas get a little, 28:07.000 --> 28:10.000 shall we say, challenging in appearance. 28:10.000 --> 28:18.000 And one suggestion is to, and these are becoming more and more common is just go with the, the black coded chain link. 28:18.000 --> 28:24.000 And perhaps that's a, the type of chain, if you're going to use commercial chain link, industrial change link. 28:24.000 --> 28:32.000 That's your option to get away from more of that, that industrial almost penal look. 28:32.000 --> 28:38.000 That's all. It's just a suggestion. It's a small thing, but it's a very common thing that would affect a lot. 28:38.000 --> 28:42.000 So I just wanted to bring that to your attention. 28:42.000 --> 28:46.000 I'm, I'm actually really good with that. 28:46.000 --> 28:52.000 I mean, in 2026, if you're throwing up a galvanized chain link fence around your yard. 28:52.000 --> 28:58.000 Unless you're looking for that retro, you know, 50s aluminum backdoor look. 28:58.000 --> 29:02.000 Yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this little thing up because I think it's. 29:02.000 --> 29:07.000 Those are good catches a little catch. Yeah. 29:07.000 --> 29:11.000 Well, that, that would indeed be confirmed. Yeah. 29:11.000 --> 29:15.000 Because sometimes people can't afford to go to the need to go together. 29:15.000 --> 29:17.000 Correct. 29:17.000 --> 29:23.000 But I think for at least in a minimum, if it's industrial or institutional or commercial user. 29:23.000 --> 29:25.000 Yeah, yeah. 29:25.000 --> 29:26.000 No. 29:26.000 --> 29:30.000 Yeah, so that's the breath for dealing with. 29:30.000 --> 29:32.000 I guess I would agree on. 29:32.000 --> 29:40.000 I would not want not want to see a galvanized chain link fence in residential. 29:40.000 --> 29:44.000 I guess I'm going to, you know, start again in the balls and strikes things. 29:44.000 --> 29:50.000 You know, somebody has a dog run or something. 29:50.000 --> 29:54.000 I guess same thing. I guess we make them put up wood. 29:54.000 --> 30:00.000 But it's just kind of going back to driveway pads that that's when we're doing road reconstructions. 30:00.000 --> 30:03.000 That's our most common question that we get. 30:03.000 --> 30:08.000 Hey, can you make my driveway wider? Can we get a bigger entrance? 30:08.000 --> 30:12.000 So it is a definite need in the older neighborhoods. 30:12.000 --> 30:13.000 Yeah. 30:13.000 --> 30:17.000 We have so many houses built with a one car mindset, right? So. 30:18.000 --> 30:20.000 I would comment on the wider. 30:20.000 --> 30:26.000 When they redid Milwaukee Street, I requested not the widest driveway possible because at the time I had. 30:26.000 --> 30:28.000 Five cars. 30:28.000 --> 30:35.000 Three kids looking at home and trying to get my boat out of the garage and getting around people and the older neighborhoods. 30:35.000 --> 30:38.000 I do understand that. 30:38.000 --> 30:41.000 I wouldn't want to restrict that too much. 30:41.000 --> 30:43.000 So that's my thought. 30:43.000 --> 30:44.000 Okay. Yeah. 30:44.000 --> 30:49.000 Do these two little things? I thought, you know what, I'll take them to plan commission and get some feedback. 30:49.000 --> 30:50.000 Awesome. 30:50.000 --> 30:51.000 Yeah. 30:51.000 --> 30:53.000 Any other wonders or worries, friends? 30:53.000 --> 30:55.000 Is it for me? 30:55.000 --> 30:58.000 All right. Well, Mr. Reyer, take us home. 30:58.000 --> 30:59.000 Move to adjourn. 30:59.000 --> 31:01.000 Is there a second? 31:01.000 --> 31:04.000 I was like, what was the pause for? 31:04.000 --> 31:05.000 All right. 31:05.000 --> 31:09.000 Any questions or concerns on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye. 31:09.000 --> 31:10.000 Aye. 31:10.000 --> 31:11.000 Opposed? 31:11.000 --> 31:13.000 All right. This meeting's adjourned. 31:13.000 --> 31:14.000 Go pirates.