WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 So I assume we keep the food barrel is always going to be there. 00:05.000 --> 00:06.000 Sure. 00:06.000 --> 00:08.000 It's actually almost full now. 00:08.000 --> 00:09.000 Excellent. 00:09.000 --> 00:10.000 Pick up. 00:10.000 --> 00:12.000 And by the upstairs door. 00:12.000 --> 00:15.000 I'm actually it's in that no carry where the coffee is. 00:15.000 --> 00:17.000 Okay. 00:17.000 --> 00:18.000 No. 00:18.000 --> 00:19.000 Oh, the bear. 00:19.000 --> 00:20.000 I'm. 00:20.000 --> 00:21.000 Yeah. 00:21.000 --> 00:22.000 I'm thinking of the bear. 00:22.000 --> 00:23.000 I'm thinking of the bear. 00:23.000 --> 00:25.000 I'm thinking of the bear. 00:25.000 --> 00:27.000 I'm thinking of the bear. 00:28.000 --> 00:29.000 Oh, the bear. 00:29.000 --> 00:30.000 Yeah. 00:30.000 --> 00:33.000 I'm thinking of the other one where they can people in this coming and pick up food. 00:33.000 --> 00:35.000 So there's actually two. 00:35.000 --> 00:36.000 Oh. 00:36.000 --> 00:39.000 And then the lines now are collecting glasses. 00:39.000 --> 00:40.000 Okay. 00:44.000 --> 00:45.000 Ox. 00:45.000 --> 00:46.000 Yeah. 00:46.000 --> 00:47.000 Container. 00:47.000 --> 00:48.000 It's a big one. 00:48.000 --> 00:50.000 I should do that. 00:50.000 --> 00:51.000 I've got some. 00:52.000 --> 00:54.000 But. 00:54.000 --> 01:05.000 I'm part of. 01:05.000 --> 01:05.500 Okay. 01:13.000 --> 01:14.000 Can I. 01:14.000 --> 01:24.000 Okay, then we move on to the 01:24.000 --> 01:28.000 minutes from the August meeting. 01:28.000 --> 01:29.000 Thank you. 01:29.000 --> 01:30.000 Second. 01:30.000 --> 01:31.000 Thank you. 01:31.000 --> 01:32.000 All those in favor. 01:32.000 --> 01:33.000 All right. 01:33.000 --> 01:34.000 Let's see. 01:34.000 --> 01:41.000 Invoices for August. 01:41.000 --> 01:43.000 The first question is. 01:43.000 --> 01:49.000 There is now a fee for the new phones. 01:49.000 --> 01:55.000 The voice over IP and. 01:55.000 --> 01:58.000 Well, it looks like charter has. 01:58.000 --> 02:02.000 Really reduced their price, which is a good thing. 02:02.000 --> 02:05.000 And then the. 02:05.000 --> 02:10.000 The dino dino link communication phones. 02:10.000 --> 02:15.000 And the telephone system has been working totally fine. 02:15.000 --> 02:19.000 Other than that. 02:19.000 --> 02:21.000 Nothing. 02:21.000 --> 02:24.000 You may say the reasons of the University of Minnesota. 02:24.000 --> 02:27.000 Go golfers. 02:27.000 --> 02:30.000 That's where we get our fight. 02:30.000 --> 02:35.000 To the organization called many texts. 02:35.000 --> 02:38.000 Any questions. 02:38.000 --> 02:40.000 Move to approve. 02:40.000 --> 02:42.000 Thank you. 02:42.000 --> 02:45.000 All those in favor. 02:45.000 --> 02:48.000 Revenue and expense report. 02:48.000 --> 02:49.000 Nothing surprising. 02:49.000 --> 02:53.000 We're right on track. 02:53.000 --> 03:00.000 Any questions. 03:00.000 --> 03:02.000 I'll move to approve. 03:02.000 --> 03:03.000 Second. 03:03.000 --> 03:04.000 Thank you. 03:04.000 --> 03:05.000 All those in favor. 03:06.000 --> 03:09.000 Director's report step update. 03:09.000 --> 03:12.000 So we do have two new. 03:12.000 --> 03:14.000 Shelters. 03:14.000 --> 03:17.000 Two high school students. 03:17.000 --> 03:19.000 They're very good. 03:19.000 --> 03:20.000 And. 03:20.000 --> 03:23.000 They take their job very seriously. 03:23.000 --> 03:26.000 It's kind of fun to watch. 03:26.000 --> 03:28.000 But they're excited. 03:28.000 --> 03:29.000 They're very excited. 03:29.000 --> 03:32.000 This is both of the I believe their first jobs. 03:33.000 --> 03:35.000 And so. 03:35.000 --> 03:40.000 Things are going really well. 03:40.000 --> 03:45.000 I think that's about it for staff. 03:45.000 --> 03:47.000 Building update. 03:47.000 --> 03:50.000 So. 03:50.000 --> 03:53.000 We're coming to the end of the grant. 03:53.000 --> 03:58.000 Just got an email today with all these different types of reports. 03:59.000 --> 04:01.000 Poor Roger. 04:01.000 --> 04:03.000 He's going to be busy. 04:03.000 --> 04:05.000 But we'll be helping him out as well. 04:05.000 --> 04:08.000 There's only a few things that we need to do. 04:08.000 --> 04:11.000 We have to. 04:11.000 --> 04:14.000 Get the book locker installed. 04:14.000 --> 04:17.000 So we know how the electricity and the networks. 04:17.000 --> 04:19.000 It's not in the. 04:19.000 --> 04:22.000 It doesn't look very pretty on the outside, but. 04:22.000 --> 04:25.000 So we had to do to get the job done. 04:26.000 --> 04:28.000 Hopefully locker. 04:28.000 --> 04:32.000 Three weeks and be an optimistic, but it's already been paid for. 04:32.000 --> 04:35.000 So it's just for them to come. 04:35.000 --> 04:38.000 And install. 04:38.000 --> 04:44.000 We are having problems with the grand avenue door again. 04:44.000 --> 04:48.000 So I have to call for repair. 04:48.000 --> 04:52.000 But all the doors are getting to the point where. 04:53.000 --> 04:55.000 They're going to have to be totally replaced. 04:55.000 --> 04:58.000 I mean, it's been 25 years. 04:58.000 --> 05:05.000 And those kids love pushing that button for the handicap access. 05:05.000 --> 05:09.000 We're waiting on. 05:09.000 --> 05:14.000 I asked for the shed to get repaired so we can open it. 05:14.000 --> 05:16.000 I made that request. 05:16.000 --> 05:18.000 Several weeks ago. 05:19.000 --> 05:24.000 And some landscaping needs to be done to stop some ponding by the. 05:24.000 --> 05:27.000 Community room door. 05:27.000 --> 05:31.000 And so, but I've had. 05:31.000 --> 05:33.000 I've already submitted those requests. 05:33.000 --> 05:36.000 And we're still looking. 05:36.000 --> 05:40.000 Getting the clock repaired. 05:40.000 --> 05:44.000 There's not many people who do that anymore. 05:44.000 --> 05:46.000 It's been difficult. 05:47.000 --> 05:50.000 To find someone. 05:50.000 --> 05:55.000 But I was hoping that. 05:55.000 --> 05:59.000 I could have Steve do it, but. 05:59.000 --> 06:01.000 He doesn't have the time. 06:01.000 --> 06:04.000 Because it's, you know, the hours for the library. 06:04.000 --> 06:07.000 That's saving cut, but I asked Robin. 06:07.000 --> 06:10.000 I said, we need those back by October 1st. 06:11.000 --> 06:13.000 Because we are. 06:13.000 --> 06:15.000 There are things that. 06:15.000 --> 06:17.000 They're not getting done because he's not there. 06:17.000 --> 06:20.000 Just because he spent all the time cleaning. 06:20.000 --> 06:22.000 And we're getting in. 06:22.000 --> 06:24.000 To. 06:24.000 --> 06:26.000 I'm sorry to say. 06:26.000 --> 06:28.000 Winter is around the corner. 06:28.000 --> 06:32.000 So we need, you know, we're going to need him for shoveling and. 06:32.000 --> 06:33.000 And. 06:33.000 --> 06:37.000 It gets a lot more messier with all the leaves. 06:38.000 --> 06:40.000 Coming in and. 06:40.000 --> 06:43.000 And so there's a lot more work that needs to be done. 06:43.000 --> 06:48.000 And so we need him back to his 20 hours. 06:48.000 --> 06:52.000 So hopefully I'll get an answer this week. 06:52.000 --> 06:57.000 I'm going to bring it up tomorrow at the finance committee meeting. 06:57.000 --> 07:00.000 I think there's. 07:00.000 --> 07:02.000 Sometimes people. 07:02.000 --> 07:06.000 Forget that we are a busy public building. 07:07.000 --> 07:11.000 And we have to keep it clean. 07:11.000 --> 07:15.000 Unfortunately, we have a lot of. 07:15.000 --> 07:20.000 It's not enough kids that come in and they like to write stuff all over the way. 07:20.000 --> 07:22.000 We just have to do a better job of. 07:22.000 --> 07:24.000 Keeping things clean. 07:24.000 --> 07:28.000 And one of the great things is our community room is just being used all the time. 07:28.000 --> 07:32.000 And, you know, we have to be good hosts. 07:33.000 --> 07:35.000 Make sure things are clean. 07:35.000 --> 07:38.000 To the best of our ability. 07:38.000 --> 07:42.000 This year only cleaner like the CSE maintenance and. 07:42.000 --> 07:44.000 Yeah, he hasn't been doing anything. 07:44.000 --> 07:45.000 Everything vacuuming. 07:45.000 --> 07:46.000 Yes, he's not doing maintenance. 07:46.000 --> 07:47.000 Every square inch. 07:47.000 --> 07:49.000 Yeah, he's just for cleaning because he's. 07:49.000 --> 07:51.000 The hours are right. 07:51.000 --> 07:53.000 They've taken away five hours. 07:53.000 --> 07:55.000 And you may not say, saying, well, that's not a lot. 07:55.000 --> 07:57.000 It actually it is. 07:58.000 --> 08:03.000 So I don't know if they made a decision of what they're going to do with the new. 08:03.000 --> 08:06.000 Public service building. 08:06.000 --> 08:08.000 But we need them back. 08:08.000 --> 08:16.000 And, you know, I did this all in good faith that, you know, we'd get them back. 08:16.000 --> 08:18.000 And. 08:18.000 --> 08:20.000 I. 08:21.000 --> 08:22.000 We can. 08:22.000 --> 08:27.000 Get them back full time, not full time, but to his regular hours in October. 08:31.000 --> 08:33.000 You just statistics. 08:33.000 --> 08:35.000 You know, it's. 08:35.000 --> 08:38.000 You know, we're being used. 08:38.000 --> 08:40.000 It's really great. 08:40.000 --> 08:44.000 I mean, we're definitely seeing an increase. 08:44.000 --> 08:48.000 Just in usage and people coming in and just. 08:49.000 --> 08:51.000 Working on a laptop. 08:51.000 --> 08:56.000 And so it'll be interesting to see our end of your statistics. 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 But it will show that the library libraries are changing. 09:01.000 --> 09:03.000 You know, we're that third space. 09:03.000 --> 09:05.000 We're the gathering place. 09:05.000 --> 09:11.000 And the study rooms are being used that conference room is being used. 09:11.000 --> 09:15.000 And so. 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 We really appreciate the support with the renovation because. 09:20.000 --> 09:23.000 It's worked. 09:23.000 --> 09:24.000 People using it. 09:24.000 --> 09:26.000 Community room is very popular. 09:26.000 --> 09:28.000 We're getting great comments. 09:28.000 --> 09:30.000 And so. 09:30.000 --> 09:34.000 I think we should be proud of the statistics. 09:34.000 --> 09:40.000 We're all like every other public library. 09:40.000 --> 09:43.000 It's very interesting just to compare the usage and. 09:44.000 --> 09:47.000 How libraries we in use. 09:51.000 --> 09:53.000 Okay, on to new business. 09:53.000 --> 09:58.000 So update on the friends of the library. 09:58.000 --> 10:01.000 We will have new leadership. 10:01.000 --> 10:04.000 The leaders current leadership have both. 10:04.000 --> 10:06.000 She has resigned. 10:06.000 --> 10:10.000 As well as. 10:11.000 --> 10:13.000 Her husband, he was acting. 10:13.000 --> 10:15.000 Kind of a secretary. 10:15.000 --> 10:17.000 So there will be new leadership in October. 10:17.000 --> 10:19.000 That's when they're having. 10:19.000 --> 10:22.000 Elections. 10:22.000 --> 10:26.000 Kathleen and Tim did a great job. 10:26.000 --> 10:30.000 And they worked really hard in the position. 10:30.000 --> 10:32.000 And but. 10:32.000 --> 10:36.000 I think the friends group is going to do things a little bit differently. 10:37.000 --> 10:40.000 And some of the members have some really great ideas. 10:40.000 --> 10:44.000 And I said, go for it. 10:44.000 --> 10:48.000 And we'll still have the ongoing friends. 10:48.000 --> 10:52.000 Book sale, which staff will be helping for the next month, 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 month and a half. 10:54.000 --> 10:57.000 And so we wish. 10:57.000 --> 10:59.000 Tim and Kathleen. 10:59.000 --> 11:02.000 Well, and you know, I hope to see him in the library. 11:03.000 --> 11:05.000 Okay. 11:05.000 --> 11:07.000 Yeah. 11:07.000 --> 11:11.000 So I included the center summer reading program. 11:11.000 --> 11:15.000 It was a tremendous success. 11:15.000 --> 11:19.000 It was. 11:19.000 --> 11:22.000 It was so great to see all the kids participating. 11:22.000 --> 11:25.000 And they're when they turned in their. 11:25.000 --> 11:28.000 Their final hours to get their prizes. 11:29.000 --> 11:33.000 And it's. 11:33.000 --> 11:36.000 Staff did a tremendous job. 11:36.000 --> 11:37.000 Everyone was involved. 11:37.000 --> 11:39.000 Everyone was signing up. 11:39.000 --> 11:43.000 It was everyone wanted that Amazon gift card. 11:43.000 --> 11:45.000 It's going to be a little bit of changes. 11:45.000 --> 11:49.000 It was so funny how packed that box was. 11:49.000 --> 11:54.000 But so next year its theme is mysteries. 11:55.000 --> 12:00.000 So they're already thinking of some pretty cool ideas. 12:00.000 --> 12:05.000 I'm going to take advantage of the mysteries of Port Washington. 12:05.000 --> 12:09.000 And get local businesses involved, hopefully. 12:09.000 --> 12:13.000 And they have all kinds of ideas. 12:13.000 --> 12:16.000 So I'm excited to see what happens. 12:16.000 --> 12:22.000 Any questions about the other summer reading program? 12:23.000 --> 12:33.000 I would just add a celebration for all the staff's work in pulling that off and bringing all those young readers into the library. 12:33.000 --> 12:37.000 So we're getting close to the end of. 12:37.000 --> 12:40.000 Budget talks regarding the 27 budget. 12:40.000 --> 12:44.000 So tomorrow there is a meeting at 9 30. 12:44.000 --> 12:48.000 Here in City Hall, I believe it's the lower level. Correct. 12:48.000 --> 12:50.000 It's right here. 12:51.000 --> 12:52.000 Okay. 12:52.000 --> 12:56.000 I must have missed where they didn't say anyway. 12:56.000 --> 13:03.000 So we are really not asking for a lot and a lot of extra money. 13:03.000 --> 13:10.000 Just ask for a few more dollars for the materials. 13:10.000 --> 13:17.000 And that's to help cover some of the things in the grant that we would continue. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.000 To have Wi-Fi hotspots for checkout. 13:21.000 --> 13:25.000 Did ask for. 13:25.000 --> 13:28.000 Having the. 13:28.000 --> 13:31.000 Children's library in position be full time. 13:31.000 --> 13:34.000 I probably will find out tomorrow. 13:34.000 --> 13:37.000 If that's a go, I'm not sure yet. 13:37.000 --> 13:41.000 But other than that, you know, there are the increases with. 13:41.000 --> 13:44.000 Unfortunately, electricity. 13:45.000 --> 13:48.000 Still don't have numbers regarding health insurance. 13:48.000 --> 13:52.000 That I'm aware of that always usually is to the very end. 13:52.000 --> 13:55.000 But I think it's a, it's a fair ask. 13:55.000 --> 13:57.000 It's, you know, it's nothing. 13:57.000 --> 14:00.000 Out of the ordinary. 14:00.000 --> 14:03.000 We are increasing our revenue due to. 14:03.000 --> 14:05.000 Used by town of Grafton. 14:05.000 --> 14:10.000 And we have seen a little bit of increase from others. 14:11.000 --> 14:14.000 And so that is a good thing. 14:14.000 --> 14:17.000 Because what's happening, those communities. 14:17.000 --> 14:19.000 I don't have a library. 14:19.000 --> 14:23.000 Those people are looking at the library as a way of cost savings. 14:23.000 --> 14:28.000 You know, to check out the DVDs, the CDs books, audio books. 14:28.000 --> 14:33.000 And so that will add a little bit to the revenue as well. 14:33.000 --> 14:36.000 Was children's full time not too long ago, correct? 14:36.000 --> 14:38.000 Yes, it was two years ago. 14:39.000 --> 14:42.000 We did look at, we moved it to part time. 14:42.000 --> 14:44.000 So we have to cover the. 14:44.000 --> 14:48.000 Head of circulation going full time and actually to have. 14:48.000 --> 14:50.000 For have benefits. 14:50.000 --> 14:51.000 Yes. 14:51.000 --> 14:53.000 Because we don't want to lose Dave. 14:55.000 --> 14:57.000 And well as. 14:58.000 --> 15:00.000 Kate has really earned it. 15:00.000 --> 15:03.000 She has done a tremendous job in her position. 15:03.000 --> 15:06.000 I love her interaction with kids. 15:07.000 --> 15:10.000 And the parents, she really. 15:11.000 --> 15:15.000 She has a gift, you know, and you can see it. 15:15.000 --> 15:17.000 And the like tonight they're having family being all night. 15:17.000 --> 15:19.000 I hope they have a great turn up. 15:19.000 --> 15:22.000 And just some of the programs is just. 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 They're very creative. 15:24.000 --> 15:25.000 And they're. 15:25.000 --> 15:29.000 One of the things we're still pushing is that literacy. 15:29.000 --> 15:35.000 I don't know if you have seen the headlines, but literacy for both children and adults. 15:35.000 --> 15:38.000 Are way down. 15:38.000 --> 15:40.000 And so. 15:40.000 --> 15:43.000 We should be able to. 15:43.000 --> 15:47.000 Create programs that help help the community increase that. 15:47.000 --> 15:50.000 So like adults, it's like 20%. 15:50.000 --> 15:54.000 And this is for casual reading. 15:54.000 --> 15:58.000 And so we gotta help change that. 15:58.000 --> 16:01.000 Thank you for making that priority because I think it's really important. 16:01.000 --> 16:02.000 Absolutely. 16:03.000 --> 16:13.000 And she's also to it's been working really hard on the nonfiction collection, making sure it's all up to date. 16:13.000 --> 16:17.000 And we are. 16:17.000 --> 16:21.000 I always get the name of the device Tony. 16:21.000 --> 16:25.000 We're buying more Tony's. They're very popular. 16:25.000 --> 16:30.000 Tony's are the little box. 16:31.000 --> 16:34.000 Where kids can listen. 16:34.000 --> 16:38.000 And they really enjoy them. 16:38.000 --> 16:44.000 So. 16:44.000 --> 16:51.000 So any questions about the budget. 16:51.000 --> 16:59.000 Is it possible to add in the, but in the, in your ask that you ask if you can't get Steve back. 16:59.000 --> 17:05.000 For 20 hours that you asked for like a cleaning lady or a clean service for a couple hours. 17:05.000 --> 17:11.000 Well, technically they have to ask the library board. 17:11.000 --> 17:16.000 You guys really have the final say regarding his position. 17:16.000 --> 17:22.000 And the person didn't realize didn't under know that. 17:22.000 --> 17:24.000 And so. 17:24.000 --> 17:29.000 I've explained to her, whatever happens, it has to go through the library more. 17:29.000 --> 17:31.000 More likely. 17:31.000 --> 17:36.000 I think we're going to get those hours back. 17:36.000 --> 17:41.000 I don't know what they're planning on doing with the new public safety building. 17:41.000 --> 17:47.000 And city hall, but I know we need, we need that person back. 17:47.000 --> 17:57.000 Because if not, a lot of stuff is not getting done and then we're going to have to spend more money to hire someone who can do the things that Steve does for it. 17:57.000 --> 18:02.000 He hasn't been able to fix an electrical problem. So then we got to spend. 18:02.000 --> 18:09.000 It's going to be like four to $500 to bring someone in and some other things as well. 18:09.000 --> 18:15.000 So I'm just going to stay positive and, and it will all work out. 18:15.000 --> 18:18.000 But if not, we're going to have to find funding. 18:18.000 --> 18:21.000 Because we have the place has to be kept clean. 18:21.000 --> 18:26.000 And staff are doing their part. They're. 18:26.000 --> 18:29.000 Trying to clean when it's quiet. 18:29.000 --> 18:35.000 Which is difficult to do. The showers have been trained for cleaning. 18:35.000 --> 18:41.000 But you know, they only have so many hours as well. So. 18:42.000 --> 18:46.000 It's just that our building is used. 18:46.000 --> 18:49.000 Practically the most out of any city. 18:49.000 --> 18:52.000 Service for open the most. 18:52.000 --> 18:55.000 And we get used. 18:55.000 --> 18:57.000 Tom, are we. 18:57.000 --> 19:09.000 Documenting or creating an artifact in any way of time or hours that other folks are spending doing things that would typically fall within those five hours or things that aren't getting done because somebody's not there. 19:10.000 --> 19:15.000 Well, I'm kind of keeping track of what's not getting done. 19:15.000 --> 19:20.000 Robin has sent out some things. 19:20.000 --> 19:24.000 And decided on what some of our staff should be doing. 19:24.000 --> 19:26.000 Which. 19:26.000 --> 19:28.000 We should be. 19:28.000 --> 19:30.000 Communicating to first. 19:30.000 --> 19:35.000 So I've just been following along to. Hopefully this is just temporary. 19:35.000 --> 19:38.000 But it may be something we may have to fight for things. 19:39.000 --> 19:44.000 We have to have a clean building. We get used credit. You know, we are gathering place. 19:44.000 --> 19:47.000 And I will tell you. 19:47.000 --> 19:51.000 Working with contract cleaning companies. 19:51.000 --> 19:56.000 In my 32 years of experience now. 19:56.000 --> 19:58.000 Never works. 19:58.000 --> 20:00.000 Because what happens. 20:00.000 --> 20:04.000 I'm not saying the city does this, but every city they go. 20:04.000 --> 20:07.000 They try to find the cheapest. 20:07.000 --> 20:08.000 And. 20:08.000 --> 20:10.000 It never works out. 20:10.000 --> 20:11.000 It just. 20:11.000 --> 20:13.000 Things don't get cleaned. They don't show up. 20:13.000 --> 20:19.000 They have to keep in mind cleaning companies have a difficulty of keeping employees too. 20:19.000 --> 20:22.000 So that's why. 20:22.000 --> 20:27.000 We've been so fortunate to have Steve. 20:28.000 --> 20:33.000 I just, I think if this is a conversation we do need to continue having after tomorrow's meeting. 20:33.000 --> 20:34.000 And if it doesn't. 20:34.000 --> 20:36.000 Our optimism is not met. 20:36.000 --> 20:41.000 I think it would be helpful for us to see some, some hours or minutes or what, 20:41.000 --> 20:42.000 what's going on. 20:42.000 --> 20:47.000 Undone because of that. I think time Steve has written out of it. 20:47.000 --> 20:48.000 He. 20:48.000 --> 20:52.000 He wrote down everything he does and how much time he has spent. 20:53.000 --> 20:56.000 On each duty. 20:56.000 --> 20:59.000 The HR director has seen that right Robin has seen that document. 20:59.000 --> 21:03.000 Yes, she's one who made him fill it out. 21:03.000 --> 21:07.000 I did think there's a different. 21:07.000 --> 21:10.000 Mindset. 21:10.000 --> 21:12.000 Because of. 21:12.000 --> 21:15.000 We are a public building. 21:15.000 --> 21:21.000 And I think we owe it to our citizens that when they come on, they expect a clean. 21:22.000 --> 21:25.000 Building. So I mean, we. 21:25.000 --> 21:28.000 I'm not talking white glove treatment. 21:28.000 --> 21:33.000 But, you know, we need to write down the tables more and the chairs more and keep up. 21:33.000 --> 21:36.000 With the study rooms, because we are heading into. 21:36.000 --> 21:39.000 I call it disease season. 21:39.000 --> 21:41.000 And it's how those little kids fall. 21:41.000 --> 21:46.000 Because they go out of school and then they all get together and. 21:46.000 --> 21:48.000 So. 21:49.000 --> 21:54.000 So yeah, so I'm just it's just it's important. 21:54.000 --> 22:00.000 I have just one more budget question and I think I know the answer, but I more just want to clarify my thinking. 22:00.000 --> 22:05.000 Things like potential door replacements or I know windows. I believe is something we've talked about in the past. 22:05.000 --> 22:09.000 That would show up in the facilities long from planning rather than the budget for next year. 22:09.000 --> 22:10.000 Yes. 22:10.000 --> 22:15.000 Now there was an announcement this week. 22:16.000 --> 22:18.000 That Rob Vanden Oven is stepping down. 22:18.000 --> 22:22.000 He's retirement. He's retiring now. 22:22.000 --> 22:25.000 I have talked to him about. 22:25.000 --> 22:28.000 Deciding needs painting. 22:28.000 --> 22:33.000 I mean, we can't wait three years. It's only going to get worse and worse. 22:33.000 --> 22:37.000 So I have sent him. I did get a quote. 22:37.000 --> 22:39.000 From a painting company. 22:39.000 --> 22:42.000 And I just got to sense it. 22:42.000 --> 22:43.000 To get an idea. 22:43.000 --> 22:47.000 And yes, it's really really high. 22:47.000 --> 22:53.000 But the doors I reminded that they need to put that in with the windows. 22:53.000 --> 22:56.000 Because if not, we're just going to be. 22:56.000 --> 22:59.000 Pain someone to come in. 22:59.000 --> 23:01.000 And. 23:01.000 --> 23:04.000 Just to walk in our buildings now. 23:04.000 --> 23:07.000 It's 300 bucks. 23:07.000 --> 23:10.000 And that's the norm. 23:10.000 --> 23:17.000 I mean, all the vendors, it's, you know, it's just electrician and plumbers are not that bad yet. 23:17.000 --> 23:21.000 But, you know, the building has been used. 23:21.000 --> 23:23.000 I mean, it's being used. 23:23.000 --> 23:27.000 And so. 23:27.000 --> 23:30.000 We have to keep up with the maintenance. 23:30.000 --> 23:36.000 And I think the city, you know, they have done a good job the last couple of years of, you know, getting the heating replace. 23:36.000 --> 23:38.000 The HVAC. 23:38.000 --> 23:41.000 So it's just, it's just a. 23:41.000 --> 23:46.000 Continuing, you know, we're part of the plan. That's the most important thing. 23:46.000 --> 23:50.000 Did I answer your question. 23:50.000 --> 23:54.000 And Tom, is that 2028 that the windows are supposed to be. 23:54.000 --> 23:59.000 That in the plan for the 10 year planner, I think it's 29. 23:59.000 --> 24:00.000 29. 24:00.000 --> 24:01.000 Okay. 24:01.000 --> 24:07.000 And, you know, actually right now, because of terrorists and other things, this may not. 24:07.000 --> 24:12.000 Not the best time to be buying windows because a lot of them come from Canada. 24:12.000 --> 24:17.000 And, you know, all these added prices. So maybe by the time. 24:17.000 --> 24:24.000 It's the plan in the plan when they're ready to implement. 24:24.000 --> 24:28.000 The prices will be more affordable. 24:29.000 --> 24:38.000 So next item. 24:38.000 --> 24:41.000 Is this is just a discussion. 24:41.000 --> 24:43.000 So. 24:43.000 --> 24:50.000 And we, it's called the discussion of map monopolization and abuse of service policy. 24:50.000 --> 24:53.000 You might say, what is that? 24:53.000 --> 24:56.000 Well, we have people that manipulate our system. 24:57.000 --> 24:58.000 And. 24:58.000 --> 25:03.000 We're going to be soon getting ready to offer Wi-Fi hotspots. 25:03.000 --> 25:06.000 And the last time we had Wi-Fi hotspots. 25:06.000 --> 25:10.000 We had about four families trying to monopolize. 25:10.000 --> 25:13.000 The use of the Wi-Fi hotspots. 25:13.000 --> 25:19.000 They'd have their children check it out, the wife check it out, grandma check it out, grandpa. 25:19.000 --> 25:23.000 So sometimes they'd have it, you know, for a month. 25:23.000 --> 25:27.000 The two months and they. 25:27.000 --> 25:31.000 They were getting their free broadband. 25:31.000 --> 25:33.000 So. 25:33.000 --> 25:38.000 I talked to Beaver Dam about it and they have this policy. 25:38.000 --> 25:40.000 And. 25:40.000 --> 25:44.000 From what I hear from tonight. 25:44.000 --> 25:48.000 If you're okay with us. 25:48.000 --> 25:51.000 Looking at this policy, we'll come back. 25:51.000 --> 25:55.000 With the policy that we have come up, come up with. 25:55.000 --> 26:01.000 You know, we have people who manipulate the new books who, you know. 26:01.000 --> 26:03.000 Sometimes. 26:03.000 --> 26:06.000 Because we're quote free. 26:06.000 --> 26:11.000 You know, we have people that will check in and check out the same book for a year. 26:11.000 --> 26:15.000 I mean, they, they, it's, it's. 26:15.000 --> 26:18.000 It's a challenge for them. 26:19.000 --> 26:23.000 And so this just gives us. 26:23.000 --> 26:26.000 A policy we can hand. 26:26.000 --> 26:28.000 Get to them and say, look. 26:28.000 --> 26:31.000 After reading the Beaver Dam, like. 26:31.000 --> 26:34.000 Policy, I guess it's still fairly vague. 26:34.000 --> 26:35.000 Right. 26:35.000 --> 26:37.000 And that's. 26:37.000 --> 26:38.000 Okay. 26:38.000 --> 26:39.000 Like it's still very vague to me. 26:39.000 --> 26:41.000 I mean, I, I interpret this to me. 26:41.000 --> 26:44.000 I couldn't check out the same item more than once. 26:44.000 --> 26:47.000 Or even broadly that I could check out things for a year. 26:48.000 --> 26:50.000 Like would you put more guardrails in? 26:50.000 --> 26:52.000 I guess it's one of my questions. 26:52.000 --> 26:54.000 Yeah, I had some. 26:54.000 --> 27:00.000 I think as this current policy is written, there's an opportunity for some unintended consequences. 27:00.000 --> 27:01.000 I think off of this. 27:01.000 --> 27:09.000 And so I would, I would agree in more detail or some more clarity around what we mean here. 27:09.000 --> 27:10.000 Talk to them, Tom. 27:10.000 --> 27:12.000 What's the enforcement policy? 27:12.000 --> 27:13.000 What's the repercussions? 27:14.000 --> 27:19.000 What's a book on it or so when I talked to the one guy, this was like five years ago. 27:19.000 --> 27:22.000 And I tried to explain. 27:22.000 --> 27:24.000 That, look, the. 27:24.000 --> 27:29.000 We want everyone in the community to have an opportunity to use these. 27:29.000 --> 27:31.000 And he just shot back. 27:31.000 --> 27:33.000 Well, you don't have a rule about it. 27:33.000 --> 27:35.000 And. 27:35.000 --> 27:40.000 You know, so this is our attempt. 27:41.000 --> 27:46.000 We can come back next meeting with a more in detail. 27:46.000 --> 27:48.000 We can check with. 27:48.000 --> 27:54.000 There's not many libraries that have this or if they do, they have it in the procedure. 27:54.000 --> 28:00.000 But I'm preparing for us offering Wi-Fi again and we're going to have these. 28:00.000 --> 28:05.000 People that are going to manipulate it and that's not what they're intended for. 28:05.000 --> 28:10.000 You know, that's why we were hoping to limit to like four uses a year. 28:10.000 --> 28:13.000 You know, so that's four weeks a year. 28:13.000 --> 28:15.000 Because they say, well, I don't have it. 28:15.000 --> 28:18.000 I don't. Well, we have it right here in the library for you to use. 28:18.000 --> 28:21.000 We're open till eight o'clock every night. 28:21.000 --> 28:24.000 You can actually sit in your car and get Wi-Fi access. 28:24.000 --> 28:25.000 I mean, 28:25.000 --> 28:31.000 does our current system allow us to put blocks on people's cards for a certain item or can you. 28:31.000 --> 28:32.000 That's sophisticated. 28:32.000 --> 28:35.000 Like I check it out the fifth time that it brings me right. 28:35.000 --> 28:36.000 I'm blocked. 28:36.000 --> 28:39.000 No, not that sophisticated. 28:39.000 --> 28:44.000 We have reports. 28:44.000 --> 28:49.000 We can run essentially to see who's doing this and excessively checking out an item. 28:49.000 --> 28:55.000 And it's, I agree that, you know, this is just a rough draft where we could add more specific language. 28:55.000 --> 29:00.000 So we're not talking about like, let's say I check out a switch game for my son and it's on his card. 29:00.000 --> 29:05.000 The next time I check it out and it's on my card and now it's multiple accounts to get that same item. 29:05.000 --> 29:11.000 Like we're on the black list is not not that type of example would be if he checks it out returns it. 29:11.000 --> 29:12.000 I checked out return it. 29:12.000 --> 29:14.000 My husband checks it out return it. 29:14.000 --> 29:15.000 He checks it out. 29:15.000 --> 29:20.000 All of a sudden we have it like three months and it's intended to be used by other people in the community too. 29:20.000 --> 29:23.000 Right. So this is kind of more excessive cases. 29:23.000 --> 29:28.000 And I think it's left broad on purpose so we can apply it to different collections too. 29:28.000 --> 29:30.000 Because we've got the adventure passes same thing. 29:30.000 --> 29:32.000 Sometimes people try and mooch those. 29:32.000 --> 29:41.000 So I kind of think of it as a just don't be a moocher policy and covering it in general for it applies to study room usage too. 29:41.000 --> 29:42.000 Like we have that policy. 29:42.000 --> 29:48.000 But if we find that somebody is doing that like, oh, can you check out the study room for me and then I'll come in and use it. 29:48.000 --> 29:50.000 And they're, you know, skirting around the policies. 29:50.000 --> 29:55.000 So I think it's just a safeguard to cover our bases for all of our collections and services. 29:55.000 --> 30:01.000 But we can certainly add more specific lingo to make it a little clearer. 30:01.000 --> 30:09.000 And we can run reports too that show kind of those top extreme cases of who is maybe checking out those same items. 30:09.000 --> 30:14.000 So it won't block you at checkout, but we can kind of see it on the back end later and then talk to those people. 30:14.000 --> 30:17.000 Yeah, whatever helps you guys to do your best. 30:17.000 --> 30:22.000 Yeah, I was just going to say clarity around language like excessive and what do we mean by excessive. 30:22.000 --> 30:33.000 The last bullet point that they have on here that to me makes sense that first bullet point makes makes me worried though I think and if I got when we need it, we use it. 30:33.000 --> 30:39.000 But if we're going to have a policy on the books, I want to make sure it's a good policy that we want to be enforcing. 30:39.000 --> 30:44.000 So I think some language like you just used there, Rosalia would be really helpful in the next draft we look up. 30:44.000 --> 30:48.000 And even that last line is a good cover, you know, CYA clause. 30:48.000 --> 30:54.000 We'll review this and watch for abusive services on a case by case basis. 30:54.000 --> 31:03.000 You know, it's not like your example of, you know, oh, one person returns it and you check it out and then it gets checked that maybe three times that's not an abuse. 31:03.000 --> 31:06.000 Monopolization is just. 31:06.000 --> 31:12.000 Yeah, I read this policy and thought boy I've broken this policy. 31:12.000 --> 31:17.000 Thank you. 31:17.000 --> 31:27.000 Yeah, I mean, we want all the materials to be used. You just want to try to have some type of fairness for everyone and fair access. 31:27.000 --> 31:32.000 99% of the patrons are really good. 31:32.000 --> 31:36.000 There's just that 1%. 31:36.000 --> 31:39.000 Try to take advantage. 31:39.000 --> 31:42.000 Like we're going to have a couple of laptops you can check out. 31:42.000 --> 31:46.000 That's not for you to that becomes your personal laptop. 31:46.000 --> 31:47.000 Yeah. 31:47.000 --> 31:53.000 You know what I mean? It's just because we're actually going to have software on it that wants to come. 31:53.000 --> 31:55.000 The computer shuts down. 31:55.000 --> 31:59.000 It's erased everything you've done on it. 31:59.000 --> 32:06.000 We've been libraries when using the software software for decades now. 32:07.000 --> 32:12.000 And so we'll come back with a. 32:12.000 --> 32:15.000 Hopefully more clear. 32:15.000 --> 32:20.000 Policy and, you know, if you have anything. 32:20.000 --> 32:26.000 Do you like to share or provide, you know, just send us an email and we'll be happy to. 32:26.000 --> 32:29.000 And, and, and cooperate. I mean. 32:29.000 --> 32:33.000 It's, it's, it's difficult when you see people just taking advantage. 32:34.000 --> 32:36.000 And, and. 32:36.000 --> 32:41.000 You know, this is, you know, some of these resources are available for people who can't afford them. 32:41.000 --> 32:46.000 And, you know, it's hard when. 32:46.000 --> 32:52.000 When you see people take advantage. 32:52.000 --> 32:56.000 I just like to share. 32:56.000 --> 33:00.000 A story that took place last week in the library. 33:01.000 --> 33:05.000 And Rosalia can jump in. 33:05.000 --> 33:12.000 But we had Rosalia received a call from a hospice worker. 33:12.000 --> 33:15.000 And a gentleman. 33:15.000 --> 33:20.000 One of his last wishes was to come and stay in the library for a while. 33:20.000 --> 33:26.000 So it's, it really shows you what a public library means to people. 33:27.000 --> 33:31.000 They rented, they checked out a study room and had lunch. 33:31.000 --> 33:36.000 You know, we didn't know when how to them or, you know, we didn't ask for more information. 33:36.000 --> 33:40.000 But it's just to remind you. 33:40.000 --> 33:46.000 That you're part of a board that provides these great services to the public. 33:46.000 --> 33:47.000 And. 33:47.000 --> 33:53.000 We still play such a critical role as a gathering spot in our community. 33:53.000 --> 33:57.000 And where people have equal access. 33:57.000 --> 33:59.000 To materials. 33:59.000 --> 34:01.000 To learning opportunities. 34:01.000 --> 34:04.000 And it just. 34:04.000 --> 34:07.000 It really, it should make you feel really good. 34:07.000 --> 34:09.000 And. 34:09.000 --> 34:12.000 And I appreciate the staff and all the hard work they do. 34:12.000 --> 34:17.000 And trying to make the library a comfortable safe space. 34:17.000 --> 34:22.000 And, and we will continue to do that. 34:23.000 --> 34:28.000 Oh. 34:28.000 --> 34:31.000 We have a chipmunk story. 34:31.000 --> 34:32.000 So. 34:32.000 --> 34:33.000 A chipmunk. 34:33.000 --> 34:34.000 I saw it. 34:34.000 --> 34:37.000 It was when I was leaving and I said, hey, Dave, that's you. 34:37.000 --> 34:39.000 You could take care of that chipmunk. 34:39.000 --> 34:41.000 And. 34:41.000 --> 34:44.000 Well, then I happened upon it. 34:44.000 --> 34:48.000 So it's between the staff entrance in the back and then we have a second door. 34:48.000 --> 34:50.000 So there's like the back staircase. 34:51.000 --> 34:52.000 You know, leaves blow in. 34:52.000 --> 34:54.000 It's kind of. 34:54.000 --> 34:56.000 Dim and basementy feeling. 34:56.000 --> 35:00.000 So when I heard a wrestling, I didn't think that much of it because there's leaves and like the air vents let Aaron. 35:00.000 --> 35:03.000 But then I heard it again and I looked down and I see the chipmunk. 35:03.000 --> 35:05.000 He goes down the stairs. 35:05.000 --> 35:09.000 So I came back up the other way, you know, trying to scare it up. 35:09.000 --> 35:15.000 So then eventually Dave and I together ushered it out gently with brooms to the back to the great outdoors. 35:15.000 --> 35:19.000 But yeah, even the chipmunks want to access the library. 35:20.000 --> 35:23.000 There's a children's story in there somewhere. 35:23.000 --> 35:27.000 There's a children's story in there somewhere. 35:27.000 --> 35:32.000 Okay, somebody else have anything. 35:32.000 --> 35:37.000 Okay, now entertain a motion to adjourn. 35:37.000 --> 35:38.000 Motion. 35:38.000 --> 35:39.000 Thank you. 35:39.000 --> 35:40.000 I'll sack it. 35:40.000 --> 35:41.000 Thank you. 35:41.000 --> 35:42.000 All those in favor. 35:42.000 --> 35:43.000 Hi. 35:43.000 --> 35:44.000 We are adjourned. 35:44.000 --> 35:45.000 Thanks everyone. 35:45.000 --> 35:46.000 Thank you. 35:46.000 --> 35:47.000 Thank you.