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To order the August 25th, 2026 meeting of the City of Port Washington Board of Public Works.

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Roll call, Mr. Polly is absent tonight, but we will welcome our new member,

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Ross Brooks, who is here for his first meeting. So congratulations on joining our board.

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They'll bring us on to item two, approve the minutes of the previous meetings.

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We have two sets of minutes and we will be approving them separately.

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So are there any questions or changes to the first set of minutes which would be for Wednesday,

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July 22nd meeting? Seeing none, is there a motion to approve?

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A motion to approve.

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We have a motion by Alderman Miller. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Second by Mr. Sundorff. All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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That brings us to the second set of minutes, which is for the Tuesday, July 27th, 2026 meeting.

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Are there any questions or comments on those minutes?

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If not, I will entertain a motion to approve them.

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Make a motion to approve.

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So we have the motion by Alderman Miller. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Second by Mr. Sundorff.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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That brings us to item three, public comments and appearances.

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Please make sure if you're going to make a public comment or appearance that you state your name

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and address and that you sign in with your name and address.

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We will have 30 minutes for public comments and you will have three minutes.

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Are there anyone who has a public comment or appearance?

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My name is Dean Wigert. I'm at 3708 East Norport Drive in the town of Port.

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The fact sheet from the city dated August 7th states anticipated well usage for the construction

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trailer office area. I assume this is the same trailer area that was referred to as housing at

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the last public works meeting is 12,000 gallons per day, roughly what 35 residential homes use.

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What are they doing in the trailers to use that much water?

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The same fact sheet starts by explaining that nobody is or will be living in the construction

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trailer area. So if no one lives there, what is all the water for?

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I don't think it's unreasonable to ask since that we were told there wasn't going to be use of

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groundwater. The timeline specified on the well utilization plan from vantage says

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only for the duration of the construction or until the city gets water to Lake Drive.

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That timeframe is expected before the end of summer 2027. That seems pretty wide open.

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Who thought this was a good idea? A 15 billion dollar development that comes in starts construction.

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The land is now unrecognizable. The buildings are huge already visible from miles away and yet

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they still don't have the water that they need from the city and no one can say for certain

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when that will happen. They say the wells are for the construction phase, but what are they

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going to do when they need water for their cooling system? Who's going to guarantee that

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they have municipal water by then? As we all know, they don't have the electricity to run the place.

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The ATC was told to go back to the drawing board for the power lines needed. One of the

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planned routes was going north to Kelly McCounty where there isn't even a power plant yet.

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Who plans on powering this mammoth data center by running lines to a non-existent, yet to be

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built power plant? Why was none of this necessary infrastructure of water and electricity nailed

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down before now? This isn't somebody's bait shop on Lake Drive setting up a tent and running

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on an extension cord and a hose from the house. Are we expected to believe that this is the

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planning that goes into a 15 billion dollar data center? I guess the same person planned out the

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use of the roads, closing Highland, closing LL for a while, closing Lake Drive and then expecting

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all of us to put up with the dump trucks, the cement trucks, the workers vehicles in and out

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of the site while not creating complete havoc for local residents and our roads.

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What's really going on here? It seems so poorly conceived and realized I have no faith in anything

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vantage says or the city reports. The August 7 fact sheet states water meters on the wells

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will measure actual water usage and quote, vantage must provide monthly water usage totals to the

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city. How is that going to be reported, verified, documented? If someone doesn't nail that down,

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I'm afraid it's going to be like all the other planning from vantage except that they'll already

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have permission to use the wells. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comments or appearances?

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Tracy Finch, 1142 West Porphy Drive. I'm here to urge you to deny vantage data center requests

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for access to the wells. Because the people living around this project already carry more

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than their share of burden. For months, residents in the town have lived through relentless noise,

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shaking, dust, disruption. Families have watched their daily routines break apart. Parents have

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to comfort their children by the construction vibration. People who were left safe in their

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homes now feel like they're living in a construction zone. Granting vantage access to these wells

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would add yet another layer of instability to the neighborhood already pushed to its limits.

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Environmentally, the decision matters. When this land became part of the city of Fort Washington,

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those wells should have been sealed right away to protect the groundwater, integrity, and nearby

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wells that this close to residential foundations can influence groundwater pressure, soil movement,

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and long-term stability. These are not theoretical risks. They are real environmental impacts that

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fall directly on the families who live just outside from the site. Inventage has alternatives. They

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can route through water from the south end of their property to the north end without touching

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the wells near homes. This is a design challenge that they can solve internally. Residents should

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not be asked to absorb environmental risks simply because vantage wants the easiest option.

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But accountability issues just says important. Vantage has already used these wells without a

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permit, acting first and expecting forgiveness later. That is not how responsible partners behave.

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When a company repeatedly ignores process, the consequences land on the people living next to

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them. The board has a duty to protect the residents from the pattern. Tonight you have a choice. You

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can add to the strain of residents already living under. Or you can draw a clear line that

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their well-being comes first. Denying this permit is only the decision that protects families,

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protects groundwater, and protects stability of this neighborhood.

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All right. Thank you. Any additional public comments or appearances?

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Good evening. My name is Catherine Gardner. I live at 3689 East Northport Drive in the town

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of Fort Washington. My comments are related to the Vantage well permit application.

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I do not know whether the water use requested on this application will damage the water supply.

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My town neighbors and I depend on. What I do know is Vantage has a consistent pattern

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of stretching the limits of starting with a reasonable sounding request and then returning

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with greater demands and offering token donations when the natural consequences of a hyperscale

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construction project play out. Throughout this discussion I well usage we hear much the same

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language as we've heard in the past referring to plans and intentions, not commitments.

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Vantage's town neighbors already bear a disproportionate share of the burden

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from this city project. So tonight I'm asking you board members to be good neighbors.

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Please view the decisions you make as if what's at stake were your investment in your household

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well, your property values, and the availability and the quality of the water your family drinks.

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Because that's what's at stake for those of us in the town who are the unwilling and unhappy

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neighbors of this city business. I urge you to put responsible and enforceable limits on the

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amount and length of water use to establish frequent and effective monitoring reporting and

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inspection requirements to define meaningful penalties for violations and to hold firm

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when Vantage comes back to you for more. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any additional?

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Kim Tydrick, town of Port Washington. Please give your address.

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Town of Port Washington. I'm not a resident. You guys tell me that all the time.

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The requirement is that you have to give your street address.

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You guys all have it already. It's 4, 4, 6, 5, Wilder's Way.

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Thank you.

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I've been here before. I've been to the Common Council meetings. I keep harping on the same things.

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Today is about the wells. So let's start with the fact that the mayor, the city, and the DNR

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have no credibility anymore. After skipping the environmental impact statement that was

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required by state law and waived by whomever at Ted Nitsky's request and Vantage's behest,

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there is no credibility here. So when you people speak to us, we have no reason to believe you

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anymore. When the mayor speaks to us, there's absolutely no reason to believe them. When Vantage

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says that they're going to be good neighbors, there's been not one iota of good neighbor.

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So I just want to remind each and every one of you here

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that we as town of Port residents will be holding the city liable

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when something happens to our wells. Water is a basic building block. It is the most basic thing

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that you need to survive. So you're actually affecting the basic building blocks of our lives

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by playing with the water here. As some of these other people have said, you have already given them

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water. They just have to run a bigger hose. If I need water at the back of my property,

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I run a hose. They could be using the trucks from the fountains or the, excuse me, the

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hydrants in the city like they've been doing in the past. Why all of a sudden

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is groundwater in play when it never was at the beginning. We were promised that it would never

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be a part of this whole situation. There is nothing that they have said that they have stuck to as far

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as our neighbors. They are not good neighbors. They don't listen to us. They don't respond to our

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questions. Neither does the city. The specialized website hasn't, I've never gotten an answer to any

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questions or complaints that I've sent there. We still don't have answers as far as we know

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what chemicals are going to be used in this closed loop system. What happens when there's a leak?

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What kind of containment is there? What happens for recycling when they have to recharge the

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closed loop? Still so many unanswered questions. And I honestly don't think that any of you are

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prepared to answer those questions or take steps to approve anything until you have these answers.

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So we're asking you once again to pay attention, to think for yourselves,

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don't just be vantiges, shills, and to do some research and do what's right for people.

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Okay. Thank you. Anyone else have a public comment or appearance?

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Hi. I just, Barb Wooten, 4876 Upper Forest Beach Road, town of Port. I just have a question

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about the roads, and I don't know if this is the right form, but when

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vantiges acquired the property of the roads and they have shut down Highland Road, which is, I guess,

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part of their property now, I don't understand why all the trucks have to go all the way around

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up Lake Drive or up LL and KW and go across into the various little inlets. Why can't they just use

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their Highland Road, which would cut down on the dust, the rocks, the broken windshields, the rocks.

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I mean, to me, you know, that's their road. They could route all of those gigantic trucks

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through there, and it would make it a lot better for the residents. And that is just the comment

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I wanted to make for people to think about. So thank you very much.

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Great. Thank you. Are there any other public comments?

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Hi, Chris Karnish. Make sure you sign in on it. Okay, thanks.

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878 Weiler's Way, Port Washington. I also wanted to address the water situation.

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So they put in, you're calling it trailer city, like it's really a cute thing.

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Why they put it in when they didn't have any water.

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If they weren't going to get water for a year, why would they build their trailer city

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in a place where there's no water for them to access? Now they want to tap into the wells,

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which is going to affect my wells. I guess I would have encouraged the city to have them,

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if they need water, truck it in like they're going to truck out their sewage.

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There's absolutely no reason for them to use our aquifer for their trailer city.

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And if you approve them doing this, okay, now you get up to Lake Drive and their next phase

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is to go up to Dixie Road in east of Highway LL. Are you going to continue to allow them to

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just keep tapping into more and more and more wells? Because they won't have water

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up to Dixie Road, and they won't have water east of Highway LL, unless they use wells or

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truck their water in. So please keep that under consideration. It makes no sense for them to tap

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into our aquifer for their poor planning of where they were going to put their trailers.

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Thank you.

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Great. Thank you. Are there any other public comments or appearances?

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I'm Anna Mueller for 488 Lilac Lane, town of Fort Washington.

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I live in the town of Fort Washington. My house is a half mile from the data center.

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I live in a subdivision of over 30 houses located on the east side of the data center.

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Every single house relies on well water from the aquifer.

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Since construction started, we have been forgotten, ignored, and abused,

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having to deal with the brunt of your decisions on a daily basis.

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The very lack of planning and practical logistics in every stage of this construction process is

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an every day reminder of your incompetence and lack of control over vantage.

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Regarding our water, we have been advised over and over by experts in the industry to get baseline

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water testing now. They started $1,000 for comprehensive and accurate testing, and that

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can be over $2,500. This is entirely status shot as we have no idea what chemicals will be

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introduced into the aquifer by vast land displacement and construction chemicals

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leaching. This is concerning and alarming as mercury will be leached from all the cement,

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not only in the aquifer, but the runoff in our tributaries and beloved lake.

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Where was the impact study? Oh, yeah. It was waived for van itself reporting.

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We have been told repeatedly that the data center would use municipal water

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which is why you have millions of dollars at 7% interest

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so that we would be it would be metered and charged on a daily basis. We thought we were

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potentially free from fear of having lowered water pressure that will effectively kill our

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appliances and plumbing or lose water completely due to a lowered aquifer deaths. 17 home use wells

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were supposed to have been permanently capped on the job site. Water is now being brought in by

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service water trucks that hold 4,000 gallons to tamper dust clean equipment and fill the holding

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tanks you dug in February for office use. Why are you allowing advantage to jeopardize

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another facet of the quality of our lives by allowing them free unmetered access to our aquifer

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that we rely on? They said they need 12,000 gallons a day. That's three trucks crossing over

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43 to latch on to one of their immediate hydrants and then the city makes some money.

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To allow advantage to access any well unmetered is a total betrayal and beyond acceptable.

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We will not stop with public comments. Everything you do since I'm only a half mile away from the

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data center is monitored and I will amplify it all over the state everywhere I can to tell

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them what we are being abused and neglected and ignored and I will use my voice as much as I can

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to make sure that everything they do is recorded. Okay thank you. Are there any other public comments

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appearances? No seeing none then we will move on to item 4. Consideration and possible action

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on well permits for the data center. Okay I will kick it off and then we also of course have Roger

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Stromer, city engineer can answer any technical questions and our city attorney is here to answer

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any legal questions regarding the permitted needs wells and so in your packet you have the

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permits that have been granted by the DNR for the private wells that we're speaking of on

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the vantage property this evening and so what staff did in analyzing the well applications that we

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received are or to essentially review them in line with our city code which is guided by chapter

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4.15 of the municipal code so in paragraph B so that's the I guess the last attachment to

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this information packet talking about private wells. The first requirement is that a private

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well existed and was in operation before May 19th 2023 and the three wells for which we have

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permit applications all were in operation before that date. Prior to the expiration of the then

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current permit property owner shall file a written application on a form supplied and filed by

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that with the director of public works that was received. The common counsel upon the recommendation

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of the Board of Public Works may grant such private well operation permit and so that's

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what we're discussing here tonight and such permit shall be for a term of five years throughout

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which period the private well and pump shall comply with following conditions.

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Well and pump shall meet all requirements for well construction and pump installation under NR 812

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Wisconsin administrative code and you'll see on Roger's cover memo the the answer to that is

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yes they have that requirement. A well constructors report relating to the private well

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and pump shall be on file with the Department of Natural Resources or certification of approval

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of the private well and pump has been issued by the Department of Natural Resources so

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that is also a yes the Department of Natural Resources has

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has the well constructors report. The existing private well shall have a history of producing

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safe water and presently produces bacteriologically safe water is evidence by water sample analyzed

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by a certified laboratory so those those analyses were conducted by our own water utility lab

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and have passed their bacteriological tests. No physical connection shall exist between the

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piping of the public water system and the existing private well that is also true.

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Fees for the treatment of water from an existing private well that is are likely to be discharged

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to a public sewer shall be determined based upon the fees established by this ordinance and so

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that again is is true the the discharge of sewage after usage of the water is is being

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hauled down to the wastewater plant and they are are to the applicable fees

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that are established by other chapters in our municipal code.

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And then lastly section F now with standard provisions of this subsection B the owner of

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a property which includes any building use for human habitation and served by an existing private

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well shall comply with the requirement. Chapter 342-1 of this code relating to compulsory

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connection to public water mains use of public water services penalties for failure to comply

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after notice and post connection compliance and so what that is saying is once city water is

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is constructed to this property that they are required by our city code to make that connection.

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There are currently plans out forbid that will be opened on Thursday for construction of that

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water main serving that property which is anticipated to be completed sometime next summer and so at

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that time when the waters brought constructed out to Lake Drive they would be required to connect

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to that water and they would be required to disconnect the well. So they would they would

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still have the permit is still good for five years so if they wanted to use it for watering

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the lawn or something like that they could but they would not be allowed to use it for any

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service for a building of human habitation once water was brought to that property they have

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vantage has told us that their intent is to cap the wells upon receiving the water next year.

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So if there are any questions the staff recommendation is to

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approve is to recommend approval of the permits to the common council.

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I guess so we do have meters on them on these wells now right they just the

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in our or do we have our own well they are required to to report their usage based on the

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meters that are on the wells that they and they installed they reported to the city or just the

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in our they are required to they're recorded they are required by the permit to sorry by the DNR

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permit to report it to the state annually. The city's permit is not does not have that stipulation.

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Sorry go ahead I'm just going to ask do we have any data past metering data as far as how much

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water they've been using or currently using right now.

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All right we do have some representatives from Vantage here with us tonight I don't know if you

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do have the answer to that question you can step up to the microphone.

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Good evening the two wells that are in question one at one three seven four lake drive well

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since November of 2025 that well has been used for six thousand gallons

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the second well which is located at one two three four lake drive has used two thousand four hundred

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and twenty one gallons since November 25th 2025 and that is through six thirty of twenty six

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so that is the current usage of those two wells which will be connected together serving

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the system that will be feeding trailer city.

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And do you anticipate that going up to 12,000 gallons a day or is that's that's like the max.

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That is a permit code requirement and when you look at the code as far as an office facility that is

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engineered for 20 gallons per person per day we are currently well under the allowed it a

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lot of amount of people in the trailer. Complex so we are well shy of 12,000 gallons a day

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to fill the system we have transported in through pool water tank systems through

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brinkman and prairie transportation 29,000 gallons to partially fill the system the other

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half came from the city of Port Washington through the hydrant south at 24,000 gallons

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so the system is now complete and and hydro statically tested so we are ready to turn it on

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when granted permission. Do you know how many wells have been abandoned south of lake drive

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just in the general instruction area or footprint of the site from my understanding an approximation

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of about 20 wells have been kept.

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So I'd like to offer an amendment if that's okay. There's no motion on the board to offer an

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amendment to so okay you you could make a motion if you if you so desired.

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Question so this is more for our city attorney so we have an agreement with

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vantage that we would supply them water should we fail to deny their well grant which may be

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moot because they really don't need our permission they have the DNR's permission or am I wrong

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about that? The the wells really fall under the DNR's authority and the DNR has granted them

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authority to use those wells you're correct in that in the development agreement we have agreed

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to provide water to the site if the city were to deny the permits at this point it's arguable

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whether or not vantage would still be permitted to use those wells given that the DNR's already

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granted them permission. So it's an open-ended question but I think that certainly it's

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I think that it's likely that they would already have essentially they're already

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granted permission to use those wells. And therefore we would be in default of our

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agreement that we develop an agreement. That's correct because essentially we would be denying

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something that the DNR has authority over it which we really don't have the authority to do.

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Thank you and they then could sue us. Correct we would be liable for any any damages.

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For city taxpayers that's not yay.

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Can you clarify so my understanding is the DNR issues the well permits this permit is

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mostly to avoid cross-contamination from a residence or a property that's tied into a well

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and city sewer and water. Right cross-connections yeah and we don't have to worry about that

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because there's no city water there.

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As far as the monitoring goes somebody had a question about the city

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so a vantage will report to the DNR annually but the city can request that we get metering data on

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a monthly basis. And how is that going to be handled and what if it is over?

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To answer the I guess can we question legally yes we are able to require additional

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requirements by vantage such as requiring monthly updates on the meter any requirements would have

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to be not arbitrary and reasonably related to the purpose of it which is the permit.

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So you'd have to keep that in mind that any requirements would be but that is

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legally possible and that Rob handled logistical questions.

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Excuse me sir. Excuse me sir. You are not member of the board. Thank you.

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So yes if that were if that were a recommendation from the Board of Public Works to the Common

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Council it would be legal and reasonable to do so and we have spoken with the advantage and they

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are willing of course to provide that information on a monthly basis and if we need to go out there

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and check the meters themselves we have the ability to do that as well.

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I have one final question so should the vantage fail to be under the minimums as

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required by DNR. They would be the official agency that would be the one that would

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issue a citation or any other financial or liability they would be the one not the city.

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The city would have no ability to in essence punish them for violating the terms of the well.

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That's more or less correct since the DNR is the permitting agency they would be the

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enforcement authority here theoretically are the city's code requires that all well is permitted

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abide by the DNR's administrative code so theoretically they would be in violation of the city code

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by violating the DNR's rules and procedures as far as the well goes but the DNR's enforcement

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mechanism would be much more stringent than the cities would be on this on this particular topic.

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Any other questions or discussion?

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So I think this might be for you. So of the 20 or so wells that you've already abandoned in the

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area do you have any idea how many gallons per day on average those wells were pumping?

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I do not have that data in front of me as far as what the usage were

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through those wells at the time that they were active.

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I'll just add on to that those those wells are rated 10 to 20 gallons per minute each I

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doubt any of them was running 24 7 but um so like that might give you an estimate of how much.

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As stated earlier I would guess somewhere on each of them is probably three to 500 gallons a day.

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Yeah for domestic use assuming that they're not using them for

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there's irrigation of the lawn or anything else. Yeah if they had farming operations with those

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wells then that would be all right any other questions or discussion?

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If not I will entertain a motion on this matter.

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I'd like to make a motion to amend the permit term to 18 months.

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So while you're free to make any motion you so choose under city code the city the Board of

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Public Works and Common Council does not have authority to issue a permit well or well permit

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excuse me for any period other than five years. We can't issue it for 10 years we can't issue it

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for one year. City's code strictly limits that the issuance of a well permit is for a period of

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precisely five years. All right so we have a motion on the floor unless you want to amend that.

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I guess I won't make that motion then.

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I withdraw my motion. All right so if there's any other questions or comments otherwise I will

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entertain a motion on this matter.

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Well I will make I move to recommend the come to the Common Council approval of the well operating

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permits. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second by Mr. Brooks. Is there any discussion on the

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motion? Seeing none all those in favor say aye aye opposed. We have one no motion carries.

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All right that moves us to item five consideration and possible action on awarding

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twenty twenty six dash two sidewalk maintenance project.

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Roger.

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All right we have we bid out our our sidewalk project for this year if you'll recall we had

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one earlier this year which was really carry over from twenty five.

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Anyway we received two bids on this project both of them are under our budget they they pretty

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much straddled our our estimate for the work. The little bidder is somebody we have not worked

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with before. I called several the references they two of them responded back to me with very good

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references. The remainder I did not the other two did not I did not hear back from.

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Anyways with with that in mind as as

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little bidder they they are able to provide a bid bond they'll be required to provide

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performance and payment bonds with with contract execution with insurance

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and their recommendations I recommend awarding the project.

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All right your question no I just you you feel good about this.

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I guess maybe I shouldn't ask it that way.

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It's a little bit and we that's what we should do.

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Yes I am.

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There's no reason.

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There are no bidder to our our our city here too and have not worked otherwise in

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Ozarki County to my knowledge but I see no reason to reject them that one

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exposes to a liability.

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Okay.

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Yeah this won't be the first time we've had someone who's not worked in Port Washington or even Ozarki

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County before and with okay not kind of wood we've never had a problem.

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Okay thank you.

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You have you have spoken with other communities who have used them in the past and gotten their

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recommendation correct.

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Yes like yeah I'm actually very very high praise.

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Okay all right any other questions or discussion.

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Otherwise we'll entertain a motion on this item.

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I'll move to approve the staff recommendation.

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We have a motion by Mr.

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Sudendorf is there a second?

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I'll second.

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Second by Alderman Miller.

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Any questions on the motion?

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Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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That brings us to item six consideration and possible action to install bollards around the

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water treatment plant.

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Dan.

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I'm in a picture quick kick it off before Dan speaks so so some of you on the board I know

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we have some new members may recall and honestly I don't know if it was a full two years ago

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between a year and two ago we had approved at this board an agreement with the essentially

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the paint on port people to to use their services for painting murals and creating

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sculptures at the water utility.

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We did this essentially before the building was designed so I guess it's more than two years

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ago because at the time of design I think our objective was to make sure that we had an attractive

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building that was worthy of its location on Lake Michigan.

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In my opinion for building a building that has no windows because it's a tank.

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I would say that it has turned out to be a fairly attractive building and so we are no longer

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pursuing murals on the building at this time.

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That's not to say there couldn't be something in the future but we are not pursuing that.

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And we are not pursuing sculpture artwork around the building rather than is recommending the use

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of essentially what are our planters that he will that he will maintain year round and try to keep

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the grounds attractive and his intention is to essentially beautify the area and but also

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and the intended end result of protecting our investment from a vehicle either

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errantly or intentionally driving up over the curb.

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So with that I think I've stalled enough.

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It's all set up for you but yep thanks Rob.

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These are photos of existing planters that we're looking to purchase that have been purchased and

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placed in other scenarios although the color would be different but this is the 4x4

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square planter that we would like to put on the terrace ways on the west side of the building

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in the south side by the public parking spaces and then the rectangular planters would go against

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the west and south portions of the building.

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Here's kind of an overview of where each would go.

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The purpose of the larger planters on the south side would be to block any potential car from

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going over the curb and straight into the tank.

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So just for reference this giant rectangular structure is the new Clearwell.

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So this entire structure is our finished water tank and then obviously this is

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North Lake Street and then the public parking in Newport Shores.

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So because we have had vehicles before this was all built we have had vehicles skip the curb and

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end up in this property before. We really would like to protect this corner and this tank.

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So putting some large concrete planters and being able to beautify the area

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throughout the seasons to us would be the best best way forward.

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So what we would like to do is purchase the actual concrete planters and they would be delivered.

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Staff would unload the planters with our machinery and then staff would be responsible for

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installing the planters just similar to the flower planters downtown.

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We would have like a four foot concrete base that we would attach each planter to.

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So if something did hit the impact wouldn't let the vehicle go through it.

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So staff would take care of all the installation hopefully by winter this year.

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We are in the process of filling our tank right now for testing and hopefully within the next

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month or so we will be using this tank. So it really is important to us to have this protected

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as soon as possible.

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So would we be working with park and rec to have it planted?

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As far as like planting flowers or are you thinking large trees in there or what was your

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thought about what objects would be in those? I would say in the short term we would go with

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talking with park and rec and they seem to have very lovely flowers put together so we'd work

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with them and then it'd be open for you know whatever we thought down the road to change.

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And during the winter they would just be empty or would you leave again up to them to think

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it's similar to yeah similar to downtown how they kind of change with the seasons is what we would

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want to go to. It is considered really windier down there by us so we'd have to keep that in mind.

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And they don't the way you have them situated on the photo though they do seem like a car could

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get through the middle of them. They'll be measured out so they're exactly yeah so

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this is just a rough picture just to show you guys kind of what we're looking at yep okay

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and what's the thing on the corner is that a down here yeah that green thing that's a small

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electrical box there is a light pole over right here too that X that will act as a a block too

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a hindrance yep okay thank you.

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So for the planters by the street they're 48 by 48 inch planters how wide is the

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distance between the back of curb and the sidewalk roughly there.

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I'd be about 12 to 18 inches.

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Sorry say that again.

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In feet how wide how wide is it currently from the back of

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or from the face or whichever this year I'm on lake they're this wider.

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This.

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Roger says nine feet.

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Oh right here this yeah this is about six feet.

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Okay so we're yeah okay yeah because I was just considering lateral clearance concerns

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in the F 48 by 48 fits in.

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Okay I just I figured it would be tight yep yep I just want to point at this out and I've

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said this many times we are one of the only water plants around that is not fenced.

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So protection is needed.

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And like in the pictures you'd be putting trees in the 48 by 48 ones.

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That's open for discussion but no not right away we would potentially look at

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planting trees between each planter on the south side and potentially on the west side down the road.

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Any other questions comments?

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Otherwise oh go ahead I guess you guys can figure it out but 48 by 48 without a tree or

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something substantial and it seems like a a a big bed to fill with flowers or other stuff but

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I trust you guys will do a nice job.

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John yeah John and we'll be a great lead.

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All right any other questions comments on this item?

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If not I will entertain a motion on this item.

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I move to approve this staff recommendation.

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We have a motion by Alderman Beaster is there a second?

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I'll second.

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I can buy Alderman Miller.

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Any questions on the motion?

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Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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That brings us to

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that brings us to item 7 presentation on Aqua Hawk software to enable customer login to track

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and or receive alerts of water usage.

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This is a discussion only item.

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Okay so this has been a long time coming.

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Back in November of 2025 we received approval from GGF and then this board to purchase the

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Aqua Hawk system for our customer customer portal to monitor water usage.

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The website is now live and we have the link on our web page so this is kind of our kickoff

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just to get it out to the public that we are able to sign up.

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My intent here is just to go over some basics.

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I plan on taking this presentation as well to the council and then we will have other

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information on the website as far as how to's and potentially a video that could be

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linked to our website is also available on potentially YouTube.

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So as of right now the best probably easiest way to get to the customer portal is to go

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to the city website and then there's two ways but this is the way I'm going to show you right

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now is going to the water utility page and then going to the top left tab monitor water usage

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Aqua Hawk and then you can click on the Aqua Hawk for Cityport Washington water utility link

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once you do that that takes you to the actual customer facing portal.

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So this portal has just the basic information what Aqua Hawk offers to each customer.

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Obviously in the top left we want to show that this is free so this doesn't cost

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well this doesn't cost customers anything to sign up for we are paying for the service.

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And then this is also the same portal you're going to want to go to if you do register and

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then you want to sign in otherwise some people can bookmark this so they can go right to this

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actual webpage. So if you're going to register you're going to click on the green register tab

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on the right here and that's going to take you to this page. To register you're going to need

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a valid email address password your first and last name phone number your mailing address and then

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you can click how you want to be contacted if you set up any alerts with this system so you can

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get an email text message or cell phone or home phone. Once you register you'll see that the

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registration was successful then it will prompt you back to the beginning main page that's where

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you'll sign in with your email username and then the password you created. Once you do that then

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add account is going to pop up so this is where it's specific to you as a customer.

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Every customer has their own account number that account number can be found on your utility bill

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on the top right corner of the bill the same with your account name.

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So the account number and account name and the street and the sorry the service address has to

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be entered in here exactly it is appears in the billing system because that's how it's been entered

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into the program. So there could possibly be questions of can I login and try to see somebody

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else's home usage you definitely would not be able to do that because you don't have their account

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number. Once you do that you'll be logged in this is what the basically the customer page looks like

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in the top left you'll see that we're using the senior center as an example

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but this would be specific to your address or account. In the middle you're going to see a date

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says July 1st 2026 to August 31st that is the billing period and then today is bill

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today is day 56 of 62 for this billing period. You'll see that the current balance is zero

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the bill has been paid if this was after a billing period and bills have been issued you would see

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a dollar amount for the bill for the actual bill issued right below it is an estimated bill amount

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and what that does it takes the water usage from July 1st to August 31st and estimates what the

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bill would be off of the usage for the first 56 days so tomorrow might be something different

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if you use more or less water. This is a 30 day snapshot you can zoom in if you want to do 24

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hours 48 72 or if you want to zoom out you can go 45 or a full year. This is what a 24 hour day

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would look like on the bottom of the the graph is times on the right side of the graph would be

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gallons so if you were to look at four o'clock which is a very right bar it's estimated that 15

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gallons were used at four o'clock so we read and see CF cubic feet so one cubic foot is 7.48 gallons

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so that's how the meters turn over so every seven gallons and 48 7.48 gallons the meter reads

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one so two CFs would be 15 gallons so that's why you're seeing 15 intervals 7 15

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as I said this estimates the bill so you can click on the estimate bill and then this little graph

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pops up it shows you the base charges for say water public fire protection sewer and then

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your usage so how many gallons you use then is what determines what the water use and sewer use

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so that's how you get your total bill. So a threshold an alert right you can see it says my

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thresholds if you click that this is where you have the opportunity to get alerted set your

54:39.200 --> 54:45.280
custom alerts on either a dollar amount for your bill if you want to be alerted say you're a larger

54:45.280 --> 54:51.440
user and you want to be alerted when your bill potentially could reach $500 you could type in

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$500 and it would then send you however you clicked get preferenced notified it would send you an

54:59.200 --> 55:06.000
email or a text that your bill is approaching the $500 limit if you want to be notified about

55:06.000 --> 55:13.600
gallons used per hour or per day or per month the the specific amount you would then be alerted so

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underwater use thresholds say you wanted to you wanted to know if you used 500 gallons in a day

55:21.120 --> 55:25.920
so you type in 500 and hit apply and then if your household went over 500 gallons you would

55:26.160 --> 55:33.520
receive a text or an email if you wanted to use it to determine if you left like a hose on outside

55:33.520 --> 55:42.400
and do a duration you could do one gallon for eight hours straight at the bottom here that would

55:42.400 --> 55:47.760
give you an alert after eight hours if water had been flowing through the meter so that kind of

55:47.760 --> 55:52.800
helps you determine if something was left on I foresee that one being used the most by people

55:53.680 --> 56:00.000
but again it's up to you however you want to use this to be alerted or if you just want to log in

56:00.000 --> 56:08.000
to see where your water is at for the billing period it's the water you said when you sign in

56:09.280 --> 56:15.600
historical data or is it only going forward from the moment you sign in it is current to your

56:15.600 --> 56:23.680
actual login so the meter is read four times a day every six hours so if you log in just past

56:23.680 --> 56:27.600
the six one of the reads you'll get that exact usage up to that time

56:36.960 --> 56:41.040
but it won't give me last month's billing cycle you can

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search as my next slide you can you can search specific dates so for instance it's I don't know

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it's hard to read on here but I entered July 1st 2026 and then today because we can't go in the

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future I can specifically search those dates so if I wanted to search from January to February

57:08.240 --> 57:14.880
I would type in here and then it could then it would export a file showing you your hourly usage

57:14.880 --> 57:24.400
for that two month period if you wanted so yeah so if you can export through excel into a nice

57:24.400 --> 57:35.200
spreadsheet where it breaks it down hour by hour if wanted for landlords or people who own multiple

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houses you can register more than one accounts that you have on your singular login so if you

57:42.000 --> 57:48.160
manage multiple properties you would click the register accounts button and then this just like

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how you started it you would add your account count name and service address exactly how

57:53.840 --> 58:01.440
it's on the bill and then you can toggle between each account at your login so this

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will be beneficial to the people who own multiple properties in the city to check in on multiple

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accounts without having to log in multiple times

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oops

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also on the main page there is a link if you click the pay online it takes you to the bsna

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home page to pay water bills online if you so choose

58:25.440 --> 58:35.200
and that's it so the very top is the actual link port w i dot aqua hawk dot us slash login

58:35.920 --> 58:44.560
and like I said you can save that specific link as a browser as a favorite on your browser or

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just continue to go through the city website to to get into it

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does the payment page have a feature where you can set up auto pay um

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through bsna you would have to do auto pay so the aqua hawk is just linking you to the bsna site

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good say i use auto pay so it works um just note that if you use credit card it does charge you

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an extra fee with it so it prefers you a bank link to it

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just curious it says 95 percent of the residential meters have been changed out

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what are the remaining five percent that just places that are difficult to get to and

59:34.560 --> 59:38.000
in the nicest way yes so we've had multiple attempts to

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enter these homes the remaining homes some are empty some have been sold and abandoned

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not abandoned but are have been empty and then some just don't answer our letters or door hangers

59:54.880 --> 59:59.760
but we are relentless and we are going to get everyone

01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:08.000
so um since the system is now live what percentage of customers do we expect to register

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:13.840
and how we measure whether or not aqua hawk is providing enough benefit to justify fourteen

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:22.160
thousand dollars annually yes so it's going to be hard to tell at first how many customers will sign

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:28.480
up um there's going to be a large portion of the customers who don't know this exists so

01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:32.560
it's really on us to get this out there to everybody so that's why i'm going to do my best to

01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:40.320
promote this for the next year um and really push it we're going to get some great tools on the

01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:46.480
website so people can sign up as easy as possible once they realize how easy and good it is um

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:54.160
if they choose to use it past then that'll be on them um the percentage uh we will work with

01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:58.880
aqua hawk they do provide numbers so we can get into the account data to see you know

01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:01.840
what percent has actually signed up and is using it

01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:09.760
and then um do we have an estimate of how much water loss or property damage could potentially

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:17.760
be prevented because of the system i can't give an actual gallon amount right but i can tell you that

01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:30.000
um we have a a weekly um spreadsheet that gets delivered to kim that shows potential leaks and

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:39.440
high usage amounts um through our census system and we've had multiple multiple people not know

01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:46.800
that they had a toilet running or left the hose open and we catch that usage in in a seven-day period

01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:52.320
sometimes they catch it you know and you get five days of high usage and we contact them and

01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:58.080
they're like oh i left a hose on we we know okay but this gives the customer almost you know real

01:01:58.080 --> 01:02:06.640
time abilities to catch their own usage sure sure lastly will you be very reporting back to the board

01:02:07.680 --> 01:02:13.520
your success rate i guess that wasn't really my last question yeah go ahead um yeah no the plan

01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:18.160
is to to come back after six months okay to give a number and then obviously we'll do a year just

01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:23.680
to show you know where we're at um but that also will give us the opportunity to promote it more

01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:30.080
are you going to go to the library like and one of the other that is a very good uh suggestion

01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:37.360
yeah because lots of people are computer illiterate and this would benefit for them yep and the

01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:43.760
goal would be to work with tom and reach out to him and see you know what methods work best thank you

01:02:48.160 --> 01:02:56.640
any other questions no all right thank you then we'll move on to item eight consideration and

01:02:56.640 --> 01:03:01.440
possible action on the proposed valley creek street crossings and bridge treatments

01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:09.840
and

01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:28.080
oh

01:03:28.080 --> 01:03:35.080
that we're trying to get a

01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:38.080
little bit of guidance on

01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:42.080
of course there's three stream

01:03:42.080 --> 01:03:46.080
crossings for Valley Creek.

01:03:46.080 --> 01:03:49.080
They go across Northport and

01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:52.080
Hales Trail and Lake Street.

01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:57.080
And we touched on briefly in

01:03:57.080 --> 01:04:01.080
the last six months what those

01:04:01.080 --> 01:04:02.080
bridges would look like.

01:04:02.080 --> 01:04:03.080
So there's two things we want to

01:04:03.080 --> 01:04:04.080
talk about today what the bridges

01:04:04.080 --> 01:04:07.080
will look like and what the

01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:09.080
and what the street over the top

01:04:09.080 --> 01:04:10.080
of the bridges will look like.

01:04:10.080 --> 01:04:12.080
So these are essentially bottomless

01:04:12.080 --> 01:04:13.080
box culverts.

01:04:13.080 --> 01:04:15.080
They're arch culverts I should say.

01:04:15.080 --> 01:04:17.080
But they serve as bridges we're

01:04:17.080 --> 01:04:19.080
going to build the roadway back

01:04:19.080 --> 01:04:20.080
over the top.

01:04:20.080 --> 01:04:26.080
The crossing at Northport we are

01:04:26.080 --> 01:04:28.080
recommending to keep that crossing

01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:32.080
as it is today.

01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:37.080
So let me quickly bring that one up.

01:04:37.080 --> 01:04:40.080
So here's a crossing at Northport.

01:04:40.080 --> 01:04:44.080
The roadway is I believe 40 feet wide.

01:04:44.080 --> 01:04:46.080
So I don't have that off the top of my

01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:51.080
head 39 feet wide.

01:04:51.080 --> 01:04:54.080
So our recommendation is to keep

01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:58.080
that with the sidewalk we're

01:04:58.080 --> 01:05:00.080
recommending to keep in the location

01:05:00.080 --> 01:05:02.080
that it's in now we're recommending

01:05:02.080 --> 01:05:04.080
the sidewalk to be on the south side

01:05:04.080 --> 01:05:07.080
of Northport going through Antoine

01:05:07.080 --> 01:05:09.080
Park.

01:05:09.080 --> 01:05:12.080
But that's the recommendation to

01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:14.080
simply there was there was no

01:05:14.080 --> 01:05:17.080
advantage to narrowing the street.

01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:20.080
And so we recommended keeping it

01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:23.080
the width that it's at.

01:05:23.080 --> 01:05:25.080
Is there any objection to that

01:05:25.080 --> 01:05:29.080
recommendation or any need for further

01:05:29.080 --> 01:05:30.080
discussion.

01:05:30.080 --> 01:05:32.080
We can go back to it if you'd like.

01:05:32.080 --> 01:05:34.080
And hails trail.

01:05:34.080 --> 01:05:37.080
So this the street crossing is at a

01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:40.080
much higher elevation than at

01:05:40.080 --> 01:05:41.080
Northport.

01:05:41.080 --> 01:05:46.080
And so if we look at the sorry this

01:05:46.080 --> 01:05:48.080
is a little bit of a technical

01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:49.080
drawing.

01:05:49.080 --> 01:05:52.080
So if we look at the street up here

01:05:52.080 --> 01:05:57.080
and I'll blow it up a little bit.

01:05:57.080 --> 01:06:00.080
So this is a this is an earlier

01:06:00.080 --> 01:06:01.080
drawing.

01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:04.080
So it has a 15 foot roadway.

01:06:04.080 --> 01:06:07.080
But if 15 foot half roadway.

01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:10.080
So 30 30 foot roadway from flange

01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:11.080
to flange.

01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:17.080
So it's if we construct that road

01:06:17.080 --> 01:06:18.080
way.

01:06:18.080 --> 01:06:21.080
The current roadway is 36 feet wide.

01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:23.080
With the recommended.

01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:24.080
Colvert.

01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:26.080
It's a three to one.

01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:29.080
Slope which is pretty steep.

01:06:29.080 --> 01:06:32.080
We would consider that the maximum

01:06:32.080 --> 01:06:34.080
and we would need a railings here

01:06:34.080 --> 01:06:36.080
on the sidewalk to protect people

01:06:36.080 --> 01:06:39.080
from tumbling down over the top of

01:06:39.080 --> 01:06:40.080
the culvert.

01:06:40.080 --> 01:06:42.080
So the recommendation that we're

01:06:42.080 --> 01:06:45.080
making as staff is to narrow this

01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:48.080
a bit more so that we can have

01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:50.080
something a little flatter than

01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:54.080
three to one.

01:06:54.080 --> 01:06:56.080
And let me go back to the drawing

01:06:56.080 --> 01:06:59.080
here.

01:06:59.080 --> 01:07:01.080
So here's the way the roadway

01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:02.080
exists now.

01:07:02.080 --> 01:07:06.080
The recommendation.

01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:08.080
Let me go back.

01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:10.080
So you can see so we've we've

01:07:10.080 --> 01:07:13.080
already narrowed this section of

01:07:13.080 --> 01:07:15.080
hills trail to 24 feet wide.

01:07:15.080 --> 01:07:19.080
There's of course no parking here.

01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:22.080
And so the recommendation to continue

01:07:22.080 --> 01:07:27.080
that cross section to the east would

01:07:27.080 --> 01:07:30.080
be contingent on continuing to

01:07:30.080 --> 01:07:32.080
restrict parking so there'd be no

01:07:32.080 --> 01:07:35.080
parking in that area.

01:07:35.080 --> 01:07:37.080
So that would allow us again by

01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:40.080
tightening up the roadway.

01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:43.080
We could have flatter slopes down

01:07:43.080 --> 01:07:45.080
to the top of the culvert.

01:07:45.080 --> 01:07:47.080
So the only other way to alleviate

01:07:47.080 --> 01:07:49.080
from that is to build up the height

01:07:49.080 --> 01:07:51.080
of the wall on the end wall.

01:07:51.080 --> 01:07:53.080
And so then it would be a lesser

01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:54.080
slope as well.

01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:57.080
But it's a more expensive bridge.

01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:03.080
So shown here are a couple of the

01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:06.080
options essentially kicking the

01:08:07.080 --> 01:08:09.080
sidewalk in and then back out or

01:08:09.080 --> 01:08:12.080
keeping it where it is on both sides.

01:08:12.080 --> 01:08:14.080
Our recommendation is just to keep

01:08:14.080 --> 01:08:17.080
the sidewalk where it is we would

01:08:17.080 --> 01:08:19.080
lower it in elevation.

01:08:19.080 --> 01:08:22.080
And so it wouldn't have an impact

01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:25.080
on the slope so we could still pull

01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:28.080
it away from the curb so the

01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:30.080
pedestrian has a feeling of that

01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:32.080
separation from the roadway.

01:08:33.080 --> 01:08:36.080
And again the reason we had

01:08:36.080 --> 01:08:38.080
narrowed the section of roadway to

01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:40.080
begin with is we had gotten

01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:42.080
complaints because cars in both

01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:44.080
directions they're going down

01:08:44.080 --> 01:08:45.080
hill.

01:08:45.080 --> 01:08:47.080
And so they tend to speed and

01:08:47.080 --> 01:08:49.080
pedestrians crossing at the inner

01:08:49.080 --> 01:08:51.080
urban felt that it was unsafe

01:08:51.080 --> 01:08:52.080
there.

01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:54.080
And so that's why we narrowed it

01:08:54.080 --> 01:08:55.080
to begin with.

01:08:55.080 --> 01:08:57.080
And so that's why we're

01:08:57.080 --> 01:08:59.080
recommending to continue to

01:09:00.080 --> 01:09:01.080
continue that.

01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:03.080
The reports I'm getting that is

01:09:03.080 --> 01:09:05.080
not and by my observation not a

01:09:05.080 --> 01:09:07.080
heavily parked area and so losing

01:09:07.080 --> 01:09:10.080
the parking would not have a big

01:09:10.080 --> 01:09:13.080
impact on people who want to

01:09:13.080 --> 01:09:14.080
park their cars.

01:09:14.080 --> 01:09:17.080
Are there any questions or

01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:20.080
comments about the choices that

01:09:20.080 --> 01:09:21.080
we have for the roadway?

01:09:21.080 --> 01:09:22.080
Sure.

01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:24.080
Lowering the road there because

01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:26.080
we are going uphill and

01:09:27.080 --> 01:09:29.080
up hill to the northeast there

01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:32.080
I guess east there or south

01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:34.080
depending on how you're

01:09:34.080 --> 01:09:35.080
considering this road.

01:09:35.080 --> 01:09:38.080
Is there any problem with

01:09:38.080 --> 01:09:40.080
keeping under 5% grade to match

01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:42.080
the existing sidewalk elevation

01:09:42.080 --> 01:09:44.080
or is this still flat enough

01:09:44.080 --> 01:09:46.080
that it really doesn't extend

01:09:46.080 --> 01:09:48.080
that long of a distance to have

01:09:48.080 --> 01:09:50.080
the sidewalk lower than the road

01:09:50.080 --> 01:09:51.080
through there?

01:09:52.080 --> 01:09:53.080
Oh.

01:09:53.080 --> 01:09:57.080
You know, good question.

01:09:57.080 --> 01:10:00.080
Yeah, I don't think just from

01:10:00.080 --> 01:10:03.080
being out there and extending

01:10:03.080 --> 01:10:05.080
the sidewalk as we did on

01:10:05.080 --> 01:10:07.080
Hills trail and the work we've

01:10:07.080 --> 01:10:08.080
done.

01:10:08.080 --> 01:10:10.080
I don't think it's going to have

01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:12.080
a big impact on the sag for the

01:10:12.080 --> 01:10:13.080
sidewalk.

01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:14.080
Okay.

01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:15.080
Yeah.

01:10:15.080 --> 01:10:16.080
That was your question.

01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:17.080
Okay.

01:10:17.080 --> 01:10:19.080
I think my question is kind of

01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:21.080
the same and I'm just not

01:10:21.080 --> 01:10:22.080
understanding it fully.

01:10:22.080 --> 01:10:25.080
So rather than kicking the

01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:28.080
sidewalk in, like the one sort

01:10:28.080 --> 01:10:30.080
of path shows you're going to

01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:32.080
keep the sidewalk where it is

01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:34.080
but you're lowering the sidewalk

01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:36.080
to.

01:10:36.080 --> 01:10:38.080
Yeah, the sidewalk would be

01:10:38.080 --> 01:10:41.080
lower, would be lower than the

01:10:41.080 --> 01:10:42.080
curb.

01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:44.080
I see what you're getting at.

01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:47.080
You're saying having to walk

01:10:47.080 --> 01:10:49.080
downhill and then uphill versus

01:10:49.080 --> 01:10:51.080
having to walk in and out?

01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:53.080
Yeah, and it also seems kind of

01:10:53.080 --> 01:10:56.080
awkward to be lower than the

01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:58.080
curb.

01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:01.080
Usually your sidewalk is higher

01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:04.080
than the curb but it's not

01:11:04.080 --> 01:11:06.080
always that way.

01:11:06.080 --> 01:11:09.080
It doesn't have to be.

01:11:09.080 --> 01:11:11.080
The reason sidewalk is usually

01:11:11.080 --> 01:11:13.080
above the curb is because of

01:11:13.080 --> 01:11:14.080
snow melt.

01:11:15.080 --> 01:11:17.080
I don't know if there's any

01:11:17.080 --> 01:11:18.080
other reason.

01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:20.080
I guess traffic safety, but I

01:11:20.080 --> 01:11:22.080
mean depending on the speed of

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:24.080
that vehicles but otherwise

01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:26.080
mostly just for run-off purposes.

01:11:26.080 --> 01:11:28.080
Yeah, you just would have to

01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:30.080
change the slope of the sidewalk

01:11:30.080 --> 01:11:31.080
so it slopes.

01:11:31.080 --> 01:11:32.080
Right.

01:11:32.080 --> 01:11:33.080
It would slope downward.

01:11:33.080 --> 01:11:34.080
Yeah.

01:11:34.080 --> 01:11:35.080
Yeah.

01:11:35.080 --> 01:11:38.080
How much lower are we talking?

01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:39.080
Yeah.

01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:45.080
How much lower are we talking?

01:11:45.080 --> 01:11:47.080
I don't think we're talking more

01:11:47.080 --> 01:11:49.080
than a couple of feet.

01:11:49.080 --> 01:11:52.080
Probably not even that much.

01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:53.080
Yeah.

01:11:53.080 --> 01:11:55.080
If the sidewalk...

01:11:55.080 --> 01:11:57.080
I would say pretty minimal.

01:11:57.080 --> 01:11:59.080
Yeah, you're right.

01:11:59.080 --> 01:12:02.080
It's probably more like a foot.

01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:03.080
Lower.

01:12:03.080 --> 01:12:04.080
Yeah.

01:12:04.080 --> 01:12:06.080
So I don't think you're going to

01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:08.080
feel like you're going down

01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:09.080
into a major dip.

01:12:09.080 --> 01:12:10.080
They haven't...

01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:12.080
The design's not that far

01:12:12.080 --> 01:12:14.080
advanced but we're not going to

01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:16.080
design anything that is

01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:18.080
unusual.

01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:21.080
If we move the sidewalk in, is

01:12:21.080 --> 01:12:24.080
there any potential savings in

01:12:24.080 --> 01:12:26.080
the length of the culvert or

01:12:26.080 --> 01:12:28.080
because it comes in standard-sized

01:12:28.080 --> 01:12:30.080
segments, would it be the same

01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:31.080
length?

01:12:31.080 --> 01:12:37.080
I think there may be...

01:12:38.080 --> 01:12:40.080
Well, if we lower the sidewalk

01:12:40.080 --> 01:12:43.080
so that it's on the grade

01:12:43.080 --> 01:12:45.080
down from the curb head to the

01:12:45.080 --> 01:12:50.080
end wall or to the head wall,

01:12:50.080 --> 01:12:51.080
I don't think it should make

01:12:51.080 --> 01:12:52.080
much difference in the length

01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:53.080
of the culvert.

01:12:53.080 --> 01:12:54.080
I mean, that's something

01:12:54.080 --> 01:12:57.080
certainly during their final

01:12:57.080 --> 01:12:59.080
design process, which is going

01:12:59.080 --> 01:13:04.080
to be over the next three weeks.

01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:06.080
And they know that we want the

01:13:06.080 --> 01:13:08.080
culvert as minimal as possible

01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:12.080
because, yeah, it's several

01:13:12.080 --> 01:13:15.080
thousand dollars a foot.

01:13:15.080 --> 01:13:17.080
And taller head walls are more

01:13:17.080 --> 01:13:19.080
costly than the extra length on

01:13:19.080 --> 01:13:20.080
the...

01:13:20.080 --> 01:13:21.080
Right.

01:13:21.080 --> 01:13:22.080
Yeah.

01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:29.080
So if there are no

01:13:29.080 --> 01:13:31.080
strong opinions, and I'm not

01:13:31.080 --> 01:13:33.080
trying to wrap it up.

01:13:33.080 --> 01:13:34.080
We're just...

01:13:34.080 --> 01:13:36.080
I'm trying to get, yeah,

01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:39.080
opinions so that we can make

01:13:39.080 --> 01:13:42.080
this so we know that if there's

01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:44.080
something that is not liked,

01:13:44.080 --> 01:13:46.080
then we won't go that route.

01:13:46.080 --> 01:13:47.080
Sorry to cut you off.

01:13:47.080 --> 01:13:48.080
No, it's okay.

01:13:48.080 --> 01:13:49.080
Are you done, Mike?

01:13:49.080 --> 01:13:50.080
Yeah, I'm done.

01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:51.080
Yeah, you can.

01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:53.080
So, and we talked to police

01:13:53.080 --> 01:13:54.080
and fire and they have no

01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:56.080
concerns about the past

01:13:56.080 --> 01:14:01.080
narrowing of the bridge at...

01:14:01.080 --> 01:14:03.080
No, I can't think of hails trails.

01:14:03.080 --> 01:14:05.080
They're okay with that.

01:14:05.080 --> 01:14:07.080
That's not been an impediment

01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:08.080
previously.

01:14:08.080 --> 01:14:11.080
No, you know, I only spoke to

01:14:11.080 --> 01:14:12.080
Chief Hinges.

01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:13.080
I'm sorry.

01:14:13.080 --> 01:14:14.080
Chief...

01:14:14.080 --> 01:14:15.080
Is there an F key?

01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:18.080
And mostly about the parking.

01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:20.080
So this is 24 feet wide.

01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:21.080
There would be no...

01:14:21.080 --> 01:14:22.080
with no parking.

01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:23.080
You know, it would actually be

01:14:23.080 --> 01:14:24.080
wider than a typical...

01:14:24.080 --> 01:14:25.080
Right.

01:14:25.080 --> 01:14:26.080
Then a wider street if there were

01:14:26.080 --> 01:14:27.080
cars parked on both sides of

01:14:27.080 --> 01:14:28.080
the street.

01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:30.080
And if you're asking what flavor

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:32.080
we like, I would vote for a field

01:14:32.080 --> 01:14:33.080
stone.

01:14:33.080 --> 01:14:34.080
Okay.

01:14:34.080 --> 01:14:35.080
Yeah, of course.

01:14:35.080 --> 01:14:36.080
It's the most expensive,

01:14:36.080 --> 01:14:38.080
which would probably be true.

01:14:38.080 --> 01:14:40.080
No, they're all about the same.

01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:41.080
Yeah.

01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:42.080
Okay.

01:14:42.080 --> 01:14:44.080
I'm done, then.

01:14:44.080 --> 01:14:46.080
I really don't mind the

01:14:46.080 --> 01:14:48.080
narrowing of the road.

01:14:48.080 --> 01:14:50.080
And, you know, I walked by

01:14:50.080 --> 01:14:52.080
there two times a day.

01:14:52.080 --> 01:14:57.080
And most people park on...

01:14:57.080 --> 01:14:58.080
What's the street?

01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:59.080
Yeah.

01:14:59.080 --> 01:15:00.080
I mean, for the community garden

01:15:00.080 --> 01:15:02.080
and people park over there,

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:03.080
it's...

01:15:03.080 --> 01:15:04.080
I can't remember the last time

01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:05.080
somebody was parked on Hill's

01:15:05.080 --> 01:15:07.080
trail on that curving area.

01:15:07.080 --> 01:15:09.080
I kind of like that.

01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:12.080
I guess my only concern would be

01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:17.080
the sidewalks and how that feels.

01:15:17.080 --> 01:15:20.080
You know, being lower,

01:15:20.080 --> 01:15:23.080
but it sounds like you've got it

01:15:23.080 --> 01:15:24.080
handled.

01:15:24.080 --> 01:15:25.080
Yeah.

01:15:25.080 --> 01:15:27.080
You know, honestly,

01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:31.080
and the only thing that I want to

01:15:31.080 --> 01:15:33.080
make sure that I bring to your

01:15:33.080 --> 01:15:35.080
attention is so, of course,

01:15:35.080 --> 01:15:37.080
the inner urban bike trail goes

01:15:37.080 --> 01:15:38.080
through here.

01:15:38.080 --> 01:15:40.080
And so I'm sure some people use

01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:42.080
Hales trails as an access to the

01:15:42.080 --> 01:15:43.080
bike.

01:15:43.080 --> 01:15:47.080
So, so in our bike bed plan,

01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:49.080
this is recommended as what they

01:15:49.080 --> 01:15:50.080
call a bike boulevard,

01:15:50.080 --> 01:15:52.080
so it's not a dedicated lane,

01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:53.080
but it's just an area that people

01:15:53.080 --> 01:15:55.080
can feel comfortable riding

01:15:55.080 --> 01:15:56.080
their bicycles.

01:15:56.080 --> 01:15:59.080
I think there's a trade-off.

01:15:59.080 --> 01:16:04.080
A wider street means faster cars,

01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:07.080
which means less safe for bikes,

01:16:07.080 --> 01:16:09.080
but not, you know, not having a

01:16:09.080 --> 01:16:12.080
dedicated area, the presumption is

01:16:12.080 --> 01:16:14.080
that is going...

01:16:14.080 --> 01:16:16.080
That is going to cause a driver to

01:16:16.080 --> 01:16:19.080
slow down if he has to share a

01:16:19.080 --> 01:16:21.080
lane with a bicyclist.

01:16:21.080 --> 01:16:23.080
So, I mean, that's something to

01:16:23.080 --> 01:16:26.080
consider as well, but they have

01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:28.080
to go through that narrow section

01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:29.080
anyway.

01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:31.080
It's just longer.

01:16:31.080 --> 01:16:34.080
So, that would probably be...

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:35.080
That would be something to take

01:16:35.080 --> 01:16:37.080
into consideration as well.

01:16:41.080 --> 01:16:44.080
So, currently there's inlets that

01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:45.080
are not...

01:16:45.080 --> 01:16:47.080
They don't look like they're over

01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:49.080
the culvert, but they come on

01:16:49.080 --> 01:16:50.080
either side.

01:16:51.080 --> 01:16:53.080
Are we regrading the profile

01:16:53.080 --> 01:16:55.080
through there to move them to one

01:16:55.080 --> 01:16:58.080
side or the other then?

01:16:58.080 --> 01:17:00.080
That's probably more detailed

01:17:00.080 --> 01:17:02.080
than what you're concerned with

01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:03.080
right now.

01:17:03.080 --> 01:17:05.080
That's more of a final design

01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:06.080
type detail.

01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:07.080
But...

01:17:07.080 --> 01:17:09.080
Yeah, we talked about that.

01:17:09.080 --> 01:17:11.080
I mean, we've talked about it.

01:17:11.080 --> 01:17:13.080
Yeah, the plan was not to have

01:17:13.080 --> 01:17:15.080
the on top of the culvert.

01:17:15.080 --> 01:17:16.080
Okay.

01:17:16.080 --> 01:17:18.080
It's kind of a sag there now,

01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:20.080
but would the new profile

01:17:20.080 --> 01:17:22.080
tend to be a little bit, I would

01:17:22.080 --> 01:17:24.080
guess, the same or higher slightly

01:17:24.080 --> 01:17:25.080
than the current road?

01:17:25.080 --> 01:17:27.080
Or would we try to come down

01:17:27.080 --> 01:17:29.080
a little bit to make the

01:17:29.080 --> 01:17:31.080
grading a little bit easier,

01:17:31.080 --> 01:17:33.080
which might make more of a weird

01:17:33.080 --> 01:17:34.080
low spot.

01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:37.080
But right now, are we just

01:17:37.080 --> 01:17:39.080
assuming basically the existing

01:17:39.080 --> 01:17:40.080
profile?

01:17:43.080 --> 01:17:44.080
We're assuming...

01:17:44.080 --> 01:17:45.080
Yeah, I think we're assuming the

01:17:45.080 --> 01:17:46.080
existing profile.

01:17:49.080 --> 01:17:50.080
Because...

01:17:50.080 --> 01:17:51.080
I know report it will change a

01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:52.080
little bit because right now

01:17:52.080 --> 01:17:54.080
I know report the inlets are

01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:55.080
over the top of culvert.

01:17:55.080 --> 01:17:57.080
So they'll slide off and I think

01:17:57.080 --> 01:17:58.080
the little...

01:17:58.080 --> 01:17:59.080
the sag will end up being on the

01:17:59.080 --> 01:18:00.080
east side of the culvert.

01:18:00.080 --> 01:18:01.080
Okay.

01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:05.080
Yeah, I...

01:18:05.080 --> 01:18:08.080
I guess on here at Hales,

01:18:08.080 --> 01:18:10.080
I have no problem with if it

01:18:10.080 --> 01:18:11.080
would make sense to bring the

01:18:11.080 --> 01:18:13.080
sidewalk in, that's fine with me

01:18:13.080 --> 01:18:15.080
or to keep it out and lower it

01:18:15.080 --> 01:18:17.080
as long as it works grading-wise

01:18:17.080 --> 01:18:18.080
and isn't a problem.

01:18:27.080 --> 01:18:28.080
Anyone else?

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:29.080
No?

01:18:29.080 --> 01:18:30.080
No.

01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:32.080
I think having the sidewalks

01:18:32.080 --> 01:18:33.080
further from the street actually

01:18:33.080 --> 01:18:35.080
kind of gives it more of a

01:18:35.080 --> 01:18:36.080
park-like feel.

01:18:36.080 --> 01:18:37.080
I know it's not going to be that

01:18:37.080 --> 01:18:39.080
big of a difference anyways,

01:18:39.080 --> 01:18:41.080
but it kind of ties it with the

01:18:41.080 --> 01:18:42.080
inner urban trail there.

01:18:42.080 --> 01:18:43.080
Okay.

01:18:43.080 --> 01:18:45.080
And if we're narrowing it

01:18:45.080 --> 01:18:46.080
anyways, I mean you're just going

01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:48.080
to slow traffic down sooner.

01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:50.080
My only concern with having the

01:18:50.080 --> 01:18:52.080
narrower road there anyways is

01:18:52.080 --> 01:18:54.080
that you are putting bikes and

01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:56.080
pedestrians closer to traffic,

01:18:56.080 --> 01:18:58.080
but if it's narrowed anyways,

01:18:58.080 --> 01:18:59.080
it's irrelevant.

01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:03.080
Okay.

01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:08.080
I can move on to...

01:19:08.080 --> 01:19:10.080
if everyone's okay to move on to

01:19:10.080 --> 01:19:11.080
Lake Street.

01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:12.080
Yeah.

01:19:12.080 --> 01:19:14.080
And then we'll talk about the

01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:15.080
treatments.

01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:20.080
And so this is

01:19:22.080 --> 01:19:24.080
schematic of,

01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:26.080
which is in your packet.

01:19:29.080 --> 01:19:31.080
So essentially the

01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:33.080
current box culvert

01:19:33.080 --> 01:19:35.080
ends about here,

01:19:35.080 --> 01:19:37.080
and of course goes all the way out

01:19:37.080 --> 01:19:38.080
to Lake Michigan.

01:19:38.080 --> 01:19:41.080
This would be a much reduced

01:19:41.080 --> 01:19:43.080
box culvert we've talked about

01:19:44.080 --> 01:19:47.080
in March is when the board

01:19:47.080 --> 01:19:50.080
recommended daylighting the

01:19:50.080 --> 01:19:52.080
culvert on both ends and

01:19:52.080 --> 01:19:55.080
essentially eliminating the

01:19:55.080 --> 01:19:58.080
off street parking on the

01:19:58.080 --> 01:20:00.080
on the west side of Lake Street

01:20:00.080 --> 01:20:02.080
and then replacing it with

01:20:02.080 --> 01:20:06.080
parking all along the

01:20:06.080 --> 01:20:10.080
street and then in

01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:12.080
Veterans Park.

01:20:15.080 --> 01:20:18.080
I know there's some concern

01:20:18.080 --> 01:20:20.080
coming down the hill.

01:20:23.080 --> 01:20:25.080
By my observation being out

01:20:25.080 --> 01:20:27.080
there, it looked like there should

01:20:27.080 --> 01:20:31.080
be stopping distance for

01:20:31.080 --> 01:20:33.080
for a car coming down the hill.

01:20:33.080 --> 01:20:34.080
If someone's coming out,

01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:35.080
they'd naturally would have to

01:20:35.080 --> 01:20:36.080
for any of these,

01:20:36.080 --> 01:20:38.080
a car would need to stop if

01:20:38.080 --> 01:20:41.080
somebody were pulling out and

01:20:41.080 --> 01:20:42.080
taking their time making that

01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:43.080
maneuver.

01:20:43.080 --> 01:20:46.080
But

01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:48.080
floor traffic in this areas,

01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:50.080
I would say not a bad thing.

01:20:50.080 --> 01:20:53.080
It's a fairly confined area.

01:20:53.080 --> 01:20:55.080
And the number of parking spaces

01:20:55.080 --> 01:20:57.080
now that are would be on the

01:20:57.080 --> 01:20:59.080
street would match the number of

01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:01.080
parking spaces that are out there

01:21:01.080 --> 01:21:02.080
now.

01:21:02.080 --> 01:21:06.080
So this is the recommended

01:21:07.080 --> 01:21:10.080
layout and you can see the

01:21:10.080 --> 01:21:12.080
sidewalk comes in quite a bit,

01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:14.080
but there's really no

01:21:14.080 --> 01:21:16.080
preventing that unless you're

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:18.080
to extend the culvert substantially

01:21:18.080 --> 01:21:19.080
longer.

01:21:23.080 --> 01:21:25.080
My opinion here is this is the one

01:21:25.080 --> 01:21:27.080
that I think we probably would

01:21:27.080 --> 01:21:29.080
want to feel most bridge like

01:21:29.080 --> 01:21:31.080
just because of the park

01:21:31.080 --> 01:21:32.080
environment there.

01:21:32.080 --> 01:21:34.080
Because having the having a

01:21:35.080 --> 01:21:37.080
great slope graded over top of

01:21:37.080 --> 01:21:39.080
it with grass that really isn't

01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:40.080
cuttable.

01:21:40.080 --> 01:21:41.080
I'm not sure how well that

01:21:41.080 --> 01:21:43.080
really fits into that park,

01:21:43.080 --> 01:21:45.080
which is all, especially on the

01:21:45.080 --> 01:21:47.080
east side of the road, all

01:21:47.080 --> 01:21:48.080
manicured grass.

01:21:48.080 --> 01:21:50.080
So I also don't know.

01:21:50.080 --> 01:21:52.080
I didn't have a profile in here

01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:56.080
showing how or I should say

01:21:56.080 --> 01:21:58.080
profile works.

01:21:58.080 --> 01:22:01.080
A profile view showing just how

01:22:01.080 --> 01:22:02.080
high the road is compared to

01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:03.080
the culvert here.

01:22:03.080 --> 01:22:06.080
I'm just saying this might be

01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:10.080
the spot where if we were going

01:22:10.080 --> 01:22:12.080
to do the extra expensive

01:22:12.080 --> 01:22:15.080
having a larger head wall and

01:22:15.080 --> 01:22:17.080
the skew, it might make the most

01:22:17.080 --> 01:22:18.080
sense here.

01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:20.080
It would fit the park a little

01:22:20.080 --> 01:22:22.080
better, particularly on the

01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:23.080
east side.

01:22:23.080 --> 01:22:25.080
I think that's the intention.

01:22:26.080 --> 01:22:32.080
Are there any questions about

01:22:32.080 --> 01:22:33.080
this?

01:22:33.080 --> 01:22:35.080
This is the drawing we've

01:22:35.080 --> 01:22:36.080
essentially been looking at each

01:22:36.080 --> 01:22:39.080
time we've looked at this.

01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:42.080
Then we can go back to it if

01:22:42.080 --> 01:22:43.080
you'd like.

01:22:43.080 --> 01:22:46.080
So as far as treatments go,

01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:49.080
this is a very interesting

01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:51.080
scenario.

01:22:51.080 --> 01:22:55.080
This is a very generic

01:22:55.080 --> 01:22:59.080
schematic of the crossing up at

01:22:59.080 --> 01:23:00.080
Hales trail.

01:23:00.080 --> 01:23:03.080
So this is the proposed bike

01:23:03.080 --> 01:23:05.080
path as you can see.

01:23:05.080 --> 01:23:07.080
This one provide the necessary

01:23:07.080 --> 01:23:08.080
clearance.

01:23:08.080 --> 01:23:10.080
So again, this is just a

01:23:10.080 --> 01:23:11.080
schematic.

01:23:11.080 --> 01:23:13.080
And I think what this is trying

01:23:13.080 --> 01:23:15.080
to represent in terms of stone

01:23:15.080 --> 01:23:19.080
and you can do just about anything.

01:23:19.080 --> 01:23:23.080
But I had

01:23:23.080 --> 01:23:29.080
I should have

01:23:29.080 --> 01:23:30.080
it here.

01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:35.080
Let me see if I can

01:23:35.080 --> 01:23:40.080
see if I can

01:23:41.080 --> 01:23:42.080
see it.

01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:43.080
Hold on.

01:23:43.080 --> 01:23:46.080
Well, the other option that I

01:23:46.080 --> 01:23:48.080
was sent is the

01:23:48.080 --> 01:23:49.080
here.

01:23:49.080 --> 01:23:51.080
Let me pull out of here for a

01:23:51.080 --> 01:23:52.080
second.

01:23:52.080 --> 01:23:53.080
Find it.

01:23:53.080 --> 01:23:54.080
I can.

01:23:54.080 --> 01:23:57.080
And download.

01:23:57.080 --> 01:24:00.080
This was.

01:24:00.080 --> 01:24:03.080
Oh, I did have it on there.

01:24:03.080 --> 01:24:04.080
All right.

01:24:04.080 --> 01:24:06.080
Oops.

01:24:06.080 --> 01:24:09.080
Sorry here.

01:24:10.080 --> 01:24:11.080
I'm back up.

01:24:11.080 --> 01:24:12.080
Okay.

01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:14.080
So this is this is the

01:24:14.080 --> 01:24:16.080
treatment that we put on the

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:19.080
on the end wall at

01:24:19.080 --> 01:24:24.080
on layer B.

01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:26.080
I like the way it turned out

01:24:26.080 --> 01:24:27.080
a lot.

01:24:27.080 --> 01:24:29.080
So this isn't really anything

01:24:29.080 --> 01:24:31.080
under the sun is the option.

01:24:31.080 --> 01:24:32.080
So.

01:24:32.080 --> 01:24:35.080
But yeah, this is

01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:38.080
we can do anything.

01:24:38.080 --> 01:24:40.080
So we're not limited to either

01:24:40.080 --> 01:24:43.080
this option or even the other three

01:24:43.080 --> 01:24:45.080
options that are.

01:24:45.080 --> 01:24:49.080
Kind of laid out for us here.

01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:52.080
I mean, this one, I guess,

01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:54.080
might be the most similar to

01:24:54.080 --> 01:24:56.080
to layer B street.

01:24:56.080 --> 01:24:59.080
And then there's a field stone.

01:24:59.080 --> 01:25:01.080
And.

01:25:02.080 --> 01:25:04.080
And.

01:25:04.080 --> 01:25:07.080
Kind of a rough sandstone.

01:25:07.080 --> 01:25:09.080
It looks like to me.

01:25:09.080 --> 01:25:11.080
But.

01:25:11.080 --> 01:25:13.080
You can vote for one.

01:25:13.080 --> 01:25:14.080
None.

01:25:14.080 --> 01:25:15.080
All.

01:25:15.080 --> 01:25:18.080
I guess I can't I have an

01:25:18.080 --> 01:25:21.080
opinion for the one by down at

01:25:21.080 --> 01:25:22.080
Lake Street.

01:25:22.080 --> 01:25:24.080
And that is the structures down

01:25:24.080 --> 01:25:26.080
there, which are include the

01:25:27.080 --> 01:25:29.080
young club building.

01:25:29.080 --> 01:25:32.080
The the ban shell, the.

01:25:32.080 --> 01:25:35.080
The Legion Hall are all the

01:25:35.080 --> 01:25:37.080
Gunther cream city brick.

01:25:37.080 --> 01:25:40.080
And something that replicates

01:25:40.080 --> 01:25:42.080
that down there, I think, would

01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:44.080
fit in with the rest of this of

01:25:44.080 --> 01:25:46.080
the environment and would more

01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:48.080
give that appearance that it is

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:50.080
that, you know, built, you know,

01:25:50.080 --> 01:25:53.080
120 years ago or, you know, I

01:25:53.080 --> 01:25:55.080
guess the ban shell is only

01:25:56.080 --> 01:25:58.080
one by two years ago.

01:25:58.080 --> 01:26:00.080
And so I figured years ago.

01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:01.080
Type structure.

01:26:01.080 --> 01:26:03.080
Although you could argue a

01:26:03.080 --> 01:26:05.080
contrasting type thing might work

01:26:05.080 --> 01:26:07.080
better too, but that's just my

01:26:07.080 --> 01:26:09.080
opinion would be the consider

01:26:09.080 --> 01:26:11.080
like a cream city style looking

01:26:11.080 --> 01:26:13.080
brick down there just that it

01:26:13.080 --> 01:26:15.080
matches everything.

01:26:15.080 --> 01:26:18.080
Not to get into it, but we have

01:26:18.080 --> 01:26:20.080
a cream city brick home.

01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:23.080
And without any other trim

01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:26.080
city brick.

01:26:26.080 --> 01:26:28.080
So I think it'll look washed if

01:26:28.080 --> 01:26:30.080
we and I love cream city brick

01:26:30.080 --> 01:26:32.080
don't get me wrong.

01:26:32.080 --> 01:26:34.080
But without something else, it

01:26:34.080 --> 01:26:37.080
really is just beige.

01:26:37.080 --> 01:26:39.080
Even with the arches.

01:26:39.080 --> 01:26:41.080
It's just beige.

01:26:41.080 --> 01:26:42.080
All right.

01:26:42.080 --> 01:26:44.080
Beige on beige.

01:26:44.080 --> 01:26:45.080
Oh, excuse me.

01:26:45.080 --> 01:26:47.080
Beige on gray.

01:26:47.080 --> 01:26:50.080
Rob, would it be possible to get

01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:52.080
photos of these actual

01:26:52.080 --> 01:26:54.080
samples?

01:26:54.080 --> 01:26:56.080
Yeah.

01:26:56.080 --> 01:26:58.080
Ask to weigh in.

01:26:58.080 --> 01:27:00.080
I mean, the renderings give us

01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:02.080
an idea, but that's a little

01:27:02.080 --> 01:27:04.080
different than the actual samples.

01:27:04.080 --> 01:27:06.080
Sure.

01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:08.080
And then I think we should be

01:27:08.080 --> 01:27:10.080
mindful, isn't there going to be

01:27:10.080 --> 01:27:12.080
a small pedestrian bridge on the

01:27:12.080 --> 01:27:14.080
east side of the water treatment

01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:16.080
facility?

01:27:16.080 --> 01:27:18.080
Yes.

01:27:18.080 --> 01:27:20.080
That should all.

01:27:20.080 --> 01:27:22.080
That should be similar.

01:27:22.080 --> 01:27:24.080
And we should keep in mind of the

01:27:24.080 --> 01:27:26.080
water treatment building that is

01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:28.080
there.

01:27:28.080 --> 01:27:30.080
Because, you know, you have your

01:27:30.080 --> 01:27:32.080
blue, which is lovely with the

01:27:32.080 --> 01:27:34.080
cream trim.

01:27:34.080 --> 01:27:38.080
It only pops because of the

01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:40.080
contrast between the two.

01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:42.080
Yeah.

01:27:42.080 --> 01:27:46.080
The one at the outfall is going to

01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:48.080
won't be a cover like this.

01:27:48.080 --> 01:27:50.080
It'll be a bridge that's more

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:52.080
similar to like in Coldock

01:27:52.080 --> 01:27:54.080
Park.

01:27:54.080 --> 01:27:56.080
Not with the high walls on it,

01:27:56.080 --> 01:27:58.080
but a stream bridge that's more

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:00.080
similar to that.

01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:02.080
Rest down abutments.

01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:04.080
Yeah.

01:28:04.080 --> 01:28:06.080
And that one, if it has exposed

01:28:06.080 --> 01:28:08.080
abutments, we probably should

01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:10.080
keep stylistically that it matches

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:12.080
the other one, too.

01:28:12.080 --> 01:28:14.080
Okay.

01:28:15.080 --> 01:28:17.080
Okay.

01:28:17.080 --> 01:28:19.080
Have we taken this at all to

01:28:19.080 --> 01:28:21.080
Park and Rec for to ask their

01:28:21.080 --> 01:28:24.080
opinion, particularly down at

01:28:24.080 --> 01:28:26.080
Veterans Park since it is in a

01:28:26.080 --> 01:28:28.080
park?

01:28:28.080 --> 01:28:30.080
Good.

01:28:30.080 --> 01:28:32.080
The chair.

01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:34.080
The chair would like that.

01:28:34.080 --> 01:28:36.080
Okay.

01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:38.080
Sure.

01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:40.080
I was just going to say

01:28:40.080 --> 01:28:42.080
do you remember how we picked

01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:44.080
the facade for that wall in

01:28:44.080 --> 01:28:46.080
Laribbean?

01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:48.080
Was it a public works preference?

01:28:48.080 --> 01:28:50.080
Well, it wasn't Parks department.

01:28:50.080 --> 01:28:52.080
You weren't here.

01:28:52.080 --> 01:28:54.080
I don't remember if we picked it

01:28:54.080 --> 01:28:56.080
as a committee or I just picked

01:28:56.080 --> 01:28:58.080
it quite honestly.

01:28:58.080 --> 01:29:00.080
So.

01:29:00.080 --> 01:29:02.080
It was all I can tell you.

01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:04.080
I think it looks a lot nicer

01:29:04.080 --> 01:29:06.080
back there than they used to.

01:29:06.080 --> 01:29:07.080
Yeah.

01:29:07.080 --> 01:29:09.080
I don't remember it.

01:29:09.080 --> 01:29:11.080
Coming to committee.

01:29:11.080 --> 01:29:13.080
So it might have been that you

01:29:13.080 --> 01:29:15.080
just picked it, but you made a

01:29:15.080 --> 01:29:17.080
good choice there.

01:29:17.080 --> 01:29:19.080
Thank you.

01:29:19.080 --> 01:29:21.080
I thought it turned off nice.

01:29:21.080 --> 01:29:23.080
If we, I mean, if we try to ask

01:29:23.080 --> 01:29:25.080
for additional opinions on this,

01:29:25.080 --> 01:29:27.080
is this just going to hold this up

01:29:27.080 --> 01:29:28.080
too?

01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:30.080
And we are kind of on a tight

01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:31.080
timetable with the season

01:29:31.080 --> 01:29:33.080
anyways?

01:29:33.080 --> 01:29:35.080
You know, we're, um, it's

01:29:35.080 --> 01:29:37.080
getting a little tighter.

01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:40.080
But.

01:29:40.080 --> 01:29:42.080
You know.

01:29:42.080 --> 01:29:45.080
Are there any want to rule out?

01:29:45.080 --> 01:29:46.080
I mean, personally, they're all.

01:29:46.080 --> 01:29:48.080
I mean, there's an argument for

01:29:48.080 --> 01:29:50.080
all of them, and I don't feel

01:29:50.080 --> 01:29:52.080
like holding it up and debating

01:29:52.080 --> 01:29:54.080
it is really a valuable use of

01:29:54.080 --> 01:29:55.080
our time.

01:29:55.080 --> 01:29:56.080
Sure.

01:29:56.080 --> 01:29:58.080
You know, because I think they're

01:29:58.080 --> 01:29:59.080
all there.

01:29:59.080 --> 01:30:01.080
They're all appealing to one

01:30:01.080 --> 01:30:03.080
degree or the other and the rest

01:30:03.080 --> 01:30:04.080
of it's going to be personal

01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:05.080
opinion that everybody that

01:30:05.080 --> 01:30:07.080
drives through the city and

01:30:07.080 --> 01:30:09.080
everybody that's in the city is

01:30:09.080 --> 01:30:11.080
going to have an opinion on.

01:30:11.080 --> 01:30:13.080
And we're not going to please

01:30:13.080 --> 01:30:14.080
everybody.

01:30:14.080 --> 01:30:16.080
You know, so I would rather make

01:30:16.080 --> 01:30:18.080
a decision sooner than later on

01:30:18.080 --> 01:30:20.080
it personally.

01:30:20.080 --> 01:30:24.080
What's your preference?

01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:27.080
I'm fine with any of them.

01:30:27.080 --> 01:30:29.080
I just personally think the

01:30:29.080 --> 01:30:31.080
fieldstone that I have concerns

01:30:31.080 --> 01:30:33.080
about it looking a little bit

01:30:34.080 --> 01:30:36.080
different.

01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:38.080
Just because it looks a little

01:30:38.080 --> 01:30:42.080
overdone, maybe.

01:30:42.080 --> 01:30:47.080
I like the rectangular cutstone.

01:30:47.080 --> 01:30:50.080
I agree with this one here.

01:30:50.080 --> 01:30:52.080
Option number three.

01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:54.080
That was the first one I

01:30:54.080 --> 01:30:59.080
gravitated towards as well.

01:31:00.080 --> 01:31:02.080
Yeah.

01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:05.080
So we have no consensus for you.

01:31:05.080 --> 01:31:07.080
Yeah.

01:31:07.080 --> 01:31:09.080
I wouldn't even I'm not sure if

01:31:09.080 --> 01:31:11.080
we want to say that we want to

01:31:11.080 --> 01:31:13.080
do them all the same or not either

01:31:13.080 --> 01:31:15.080
or if like what's we do in the

01:31:15.080 --> 01:31:17.080
park is different than what we

01:31:17.080 --> 01:31:20.080
do up by Northport and hails.

01:31:20.080 --> 01:31:23.080
I think the third one is kind of

01:31:23.080 --> 01:31:24.080
an in-between.

01:31:25.080 --> 01:31:27.080
I think the third one is kind

01:31:27.080 --> 01:31:29.080
of an in-between though of the

01:31:29.080 --> 01:31:30.080
first and second one.

01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:32.080
And I think it's a compromise

01:31:32.080 --> 01:31:33.080
either way.

01:31:33.080 --> 01:31:35.080
But again, we can sit here and

01:31:35.080 --> 01:31:37.080
talk about it for God knows how

01:31:37.080 --> 01:31:39.080
long.

01:31:39.080 --> 01:31:42.080
I'm satisfied with either one

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:44.080
honestly, but.

01:31:44.080 --> 01:31:47.080
Could we do a prize?

01:31:47.080 --> 01:31:49.080
Vote online.

01:31:49.080 --> 01:31:51.080
Well, make the boys happy.

01:31:52.080 --> 01:31:54.080
We can.

01:31:54.080 --> 01:31:57.080
It'll be ready to be installed in

01:31:57.080 --> 01:31:59.080
twenty twenty nine.

01:31:59.080 --> 01:32:00.080
Yeah.

01:32:00.080 --> 01:32:01.080
Right.

01:32:01.080 --> 01:32:03.080
Let me.

01:32:03.080 --> 01:32:06.080
Let me talk to Stantec and

01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:09.080
John Crane and see what our time

01:32:09.080 --> 01:32:12.080
table is for their next meeting

01:32:12.080 --> 01:32:15.080
and see if if you'd like us to

01:32:15.080 --> 01:32:17.080
get an opinion from Parks and

01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:19.080
Rec.

01:32:19.080 --> 01:32:20.080
We can certainly do.

01:32:20.080 --> 01:32:22.080
It's not until October.

01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:23.080
Okay.

01:32:23.080 --> 01:32:25.080
That might be late.

01:32:25.080 --> 01:32:26.080
I'll have to.

01:32:26.080 --> 01:32:28.080
I still want Parks and Rec thinking

01:32:28.080 --> 01:32:30.080
that we're making a decision for

01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:31.080
what their park looks like for

01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:33.080
them because we kind of are when

01:32:33.080 --> 01:32:35.080
we said this is we're opening up

01:32:35.080 --> 01:32:36.080
the culvert and everything.

01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:38.080
And we don't get to make

01:32:38.080 --> 01:32:39.080
decisions on anything.

01:32:40.080 --> 01:32:41.080
So.

01:32:41.080 --> 01:32:43.080
But if time if time doesn't allow

01:32:43.080 --> 01:32:45.080
it, then yeah, time doesn't allow

01:32:45.080 --> 01:32:46.080
it.

01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:48.080
So there's none of these that

01:32:48.080 --> 01:32:50.080
are so objectionable that you

01:32:50.080 --> 01:32:51.080
would want to throw them out if

01:32:51.080 --> 01:32:52.080
we.

01:32:52.080 --> 01:32:54.080
It doesn't sound like.

01:32:54.080 --> 01:32:56.080
Maybe not for the chair, but

01:32:56.080 --> 01:32:58.080
for me, there is, but that's

01:32:58.080 --> 01:32:59.080
fine.

01:32:59.080 --> 01:33:01.080
I guess as long as you know,

01:33:01.080 --> 01:33:03.080
it doesn't sound like.

01:33:03.080 --> 01:33:04.080
Maybe not for the chair, but

01:33:04.080 --> 01:33:06.080
for me, there is, but that's

01:33:06.080 --> 01:33:07.080
fine.

01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:09.080
I guess as long as the field

01:33:09.080 --> 01:33:11.080
stone doesn't look fake when

01:33:11.080 --> 01:33:13.080
it's built, and it's really hard

01:33:13.080 --> 01:33:15.080
to tell from a rendering, but I've

01:33:15.080 --> 01:33:17.080
seen them where they've done them

01:33:17.080 --> 01:33:19.080
and they usually look pretty

01:33:19.080 --> 01:33:21.080
good when you when you see those.

01:33:21.080 --> 01:33:23.080
Especially if you're not if you're

01:33:23.080 --> 01:33:25.080
not two inches from it, it looks

01:33:25.080 --> 01:33:26.080
better than if you're right up

01:33:26.080 --> 01:33:28.080
against them, obviously, but

01:33:29.080 --> 01:33:31.080
usually they look pretty good.

01:33:33.080 --> 01:33:35.080
Rob, you can kick me under the

01:33:35.080 --> 01:33:37.080
table if I'm talking too much.

01:33:37.080 --> 01:33:41.080
But just a thought.

01:33:41.080 --> 01:33:44.080
We'll choose one so we can get

01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:45.080
the design finished.

01:33:45.080 --> 01:33:47.080
We can get BID docs out.

01:33:47.080 --> 01:33:50.080
I don't believe we have a

01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:52.080
bidding schedule for this project

01:33:52.080 --> 01:33:53.080
yet.

01:33:53.080 --> 01:33:55.080
We're still looking for some

01:33:55.080 --> 01:33:56.080
funding.

01:33:57.080 --> 01:33:59.080
We'll get we can get things

01:33:59.080 --> 01:34:00.080
finished up.

01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:01.080
That'll give us time.

01:34:01.080 --> 01:34:03.080
We can go to park and rack and if

01:34:03.080 --> 01:34:05.080
if they if they have a

01:34:05.080 --> 01:34:07.080
recommendation of something

01:34:07.080 --> 01:34:09.080
different, I don't think it'll

01:34:09.080 --> 01:34:12.080
we can swap it out then in the

01:34:12.080 --> 01:34:14.080
final specs.

01:34:14.080 --> 01:34:15.080
I agree.

01:34:15.080 --> 01:34:17.080
I think it should be easy to

01:34:17.080 --> 01:34:19.080
kick the can a little bit on

01:34:19.080 --> 01:34:20.080
this decision.

01:34:20.080 --> 01:34:22.080
I think the specifications will

01:34:22.080 --> 01:34:24.080
be such that you can swap them

01:34:24.080 --> 01:34:26.080
out like Rogers

01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:27.080
indicating.

01:34:27.080 --> 01:34:29.080
If Rogers wrong,

01:34:29.080 --> 01:34:30.080
we'll play Roger.

01:34:30.080 --> 01:34:32.080
Were you looking for a vote from

01:34:32.080 --> 01:34:34.080
us or just a sense of the board?

01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:38.080
I think I have an off unless

01:34:38.080 --> 01:34:40.080
someone wants to.

01:34:40.080 --> 01:34:43.080
I'll make a motion that we

01:34:43.080 --> 01:34:46.080
accept the parameters of the

01:34:46.080 --> 01:34:48.080
dimensions of the bridge and

01:34:48.080 --> 01:34:50.080
specifications with the

01:34:50.080 --> 01:34:52.080
exception of perhaps maybe just

01:34:52.080 --> 01:34:54.080
the final

01:34:54.080 --> 01:34:56.080
beautification of the process.

01:34:56.080 --> 01:34:58.080
No, I appreciate that.

01:34:58.080 --> 01:35:00.080
Is that appropriate motion?

01:35:00.080 --> 01:35:01.080
Sure.

01:35:01.080 --> 01:35:02.080
You got it.

01:35:02.080 --> 01:35:04.080
Sorry, Madam Secretary.

01:35:04.080 --> 01:35:07.080
Is there a second on the motion?

01:35:07.080 --> 01:35:08.080
I'll second.

01:35:08.080 --> 01:35:09.080
All right.

01:35:09.080 --> 01:35:11.080
We have a motion by all the

01:35:11.080 --> 01:35:13.080
Roman Miller and a second by

01:35:13.080 --> 01:35:14.080
Mr.

01:35:14.080 --> 01:35:15.080
Sundorf.

01:35:15.080 --> 01:35:17.080
Any discussion on the motion?

01:35:17.080 --> 01:35:19.080
Seeing none, all those in favor

01:35:19.080 --> 01:35:20.080
say aye.

01:35:20.080 --> 01:35:21.080
Aye.

01:35:21.080 --> 01:35:22.080
Opposed?

01:35:22.080 --> 01:35:23.080
Motion carries.

01:35:23.080 --> 01:35:24.080
Thank you.

01:35:24.080 --> 01:35:25.080
All right.

01:35:25.080 --> 01:35:29.080
That should bring us to item

01:35:29.080 --> 01:35:31.080
nine consideration and possible

01:35:31.080 --> 01:35:33.080
action on a task order from

01:35:33.080 --> 01:35:35.080
Strand Associates to improve the

01:35:35.080 --> 01:35:37.080
sanitary sewer crossings of

01:35:37.080 --> 01:35:38.080
Mineral Springs Creek.

01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:39.080
All right.

01:35:39.080 --> 01:35:42.080
I'll kick this off and then we

01:35:42.080 --> 01:35:44.080
have Phil here from Strand.

01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:46.080
He can answer some more

01:35:46.080 --> 01:35:48.080
detailed questions for you.

01:35:49.080 --> 01:35:51.080
But we have two sewer crossings

01:35:51.080 --> 01:35:53.080
on Mineral Springs Creek that

01:35:53.080 --> 01:35:55.080
have been exposed by previous

01:35:55.080 --> 01:35:57.080
flooding events and we want to

01:35:57.080 --> 01:35:59.080
get those crossings protected

01:35:59.080 --> 01:36:01.080
before they get completely

01:36:01.080 --> 01:36:02.080
undermined.

01:36:02.080 --> 01:36:04.080
And then the pipe essentially

01:36:04.080 --> 01:36:06.080
acts like a bridge and it's

01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:08.080
not structurally designed for

01:36:08.080 --> 01:36:09.080
that.

01:36:09.080 --> 01:36:12.080
Or a rock or some other large

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:14.080
object gets rolled down the

01:36:14.080 --> 01:36:16.080
creek bed into these

01:36:17.080 --> 01:36:19.080
sanitary sewers and we end up

01:36:19.080 --> 01:36:21.080
with spills in the creek.

01:36:21.080 --> 01:36:24.080
We looked at three options.

01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:26.080
Armoring the pipe.

01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:28.080
Maybe a simple as putting a

01:36:28.080 --> 01:36:30.080
larger size pipe over the top of

01:36:30.080 --> 01:36:32.080
it or concrete in case it.

01:36:32.080 --> 01:36:34.080
And then play it in that

01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:36.080
in combination with some work in

01:36:36.080 --> 01:36:38.080
the stream bed to create some

01:36:38.080 --> 01:36:41.080
riffles and pools to keep the

01:36:41.080 --> 01:36:43.080
energy at those locations low

01:36:43.080 --> 01:36:45.080
enough that we're not going to

01:36:45.080 --> 01:36:47.080
get undercutting or scouring.

01:36:47.080 --> 01:36:50.080
We looked at relocating the

01:36:50.080 --> 01:36:53.080
sewer line and we looked at

01:36:53.080 --> 01:36:56.080
just installing siphons at both

01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:57.080
these locations.

01:36:57.080 --> 01:36:59.080
You don't know basically a

01:36:59.080 --> 01:37:01.080
siphon is just a pipe that

01:37:01.080 --> 01:37:03.080
will seg underneath the creek and

01:37:03.080 --> 01:37:05.080
then come back up.

01:37:05.080 --> 01:37:09.080
Just our preliminary thoughts

01:37:09.080 --> 01:37:12.080
is really that we feel that

01:37:12.080 --> 01:37:16.080
armoring the pipe and

01:37:16.080 --> 01:37:18.080
adjusting the creek bed is going

01:37:18.080 --> 01:37:20.080
to be the least cost.

01:37:20.080 --> 01:37:23.080
First cost and least cost

01:37:23.080 --> 01:37:26.080
long term.

01:37:26.080 --> 01:37:28.080
With the caveat is probably the

01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:30.080
more expensive one to design

01:37:30.080 --> 01:37:32.080
because you have to do some

01:37:32.080 --> 01:37:34.080
flood study work which is now

01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:38.080
would be typical for any of the

01:37:38.080 --> 01:37:40.080
other options.

01:37:41.080 --> 01:37:45.080
So I guess our recommendation

01:37:45.080 --> 01:37:48.080
here is that we hire Strand to

01:37:48.080 --> 01:37:50.080
proceed with armoring the pipe

01:37:50.080 --> 01:37:52.080
and I'll kick it over to Phil

01:37:52.080 --> 01:37:54.080
here if he's got anything else to

01:37:54.080 --> 01:37:56.080
add.

01:38:04.080 --> 01:38:06.080
If you have any other additional

01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:08.080
questions in the proposal?

01:38:09.080 --> 01:38:11.080
I guess I would have to ask

01:38:11.080 --> 01:38:13.080
how does this fit in with the

01:38:13.080 --> 01:38:15.080
projects the county has been doing

01:38:15.080 --> 01:38:17.080
on the creek in recent years and

01:38:17.080 --> 01:38:19.080
what they have done here?

01:38:19.080 --> 01:38:22.080
We did do a site visit with the

01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:24.080
county to talk through what would

01:38:24.080 --> 01:38:26.080
be provable to them.

01:38:26.080 --> 01:38:29.080
So it fits in fine I guess with

01:38:29.080 --> 01:38:30.080
what they're doing.

01:38:30.080 --> 01:38:32.080
They have a Hack Ross model

01:38:32.080 --> 01:38:34.080
which is a model used for the

01:38:34.080 --> 01:38:36.080
evaluating the stream flow

01:38:36.080 --> 01:38:38.080
that they will provide to us

01:38:38.080 --> 01:38:40.080
that we can essentially build on

01:38:40.080 --> 01:38:42.080
for these more upstream

01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:44.080
portions of the channel.

01:38:44.080 --> 01:38:46.080
So all their work has been

01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:48.080
downstream and they have also

01:38:48.080 --> 01:38:50.080
have some details and things

01:38:50.080 --> 01:38:52.080
that they said they'd share with

01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:54.080
us to kind of incorporate into

01:38:54.080 --> 01:38:56.080
this design to make it more

01:38:56.080 --> 01:38:58.080
uniform.

01:38:58.080 --> 01:39:00.080
So we'll continue to coordinate

01:39:00.080 --> 01:39:02.080
with them as part of the design

01:39:02.080 --> 01:39:04.080
to make sure everything's

01:39:04.080 --> 01:39:06.080
done.

01:39:06.080 --> 01:39:08.080
Okay.

01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:12.080
Any other comments, questions?

01:39:12.080 --> 01:39:14.080
Just curious, does the city own

01:39:14.080 --> 01:39:16.080
that old railroad bridge that's

01:39:16.080 --> 01:39:18.080
east of Park Street?

01:39:18.080 --> 01:39:20.080
Is that like where this pipe

01:39:20.080 --> 01:39:22.080
crosses?

01:39:22.080 --> 01:39:24.080
I don't know the answer.

01:39:24.080 --> 01:39:26.080
Do you know that one right off

01:39:26.080 --> 01:39:28.080
hand though?

01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:30.080
Yes.

01:39:30.080 --> 01:39:32.080
It doesn't really matter.

01:39:32.080 --> 01:39:36.080
I think it's we energy's right

01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:38.080
away.

01:39:38.080 --> 01:39:40.080
I don't believe it is.

01:39:40.080 --> 01:39:42.080
All right.

01:39:42.080 --> 01:39:44.080
How old are the pipes, sewer

01:39:44.080 --> 01:39:46.080
pipes?

01:39:46.080 --> 01:39:48.080
They've got to be on the

01:39:48.080 --> 01:39:50.080
order of 50 years old I would

01:39:50.080 --> 01:39:52.080
think.

01:39:52.080 --> 01:39:54.080
More like 70.

01:39:54.080 --> 01:39:56.080
If we armor it, is there a risk

01:39:56.080 --> 01:39:58.080
that we could still have

01:39:58.080 --> 01:40:00.080
after a place in the 10 or 15

01:40:00.080 --> 01:40:02.080
years?

01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:08.080
It'll maybe maybe feel can add

01:40:08.080 --> 01:40:10.080
into that, but generally at that

01:40:10.080 --> 01:40:12.080
point, if we had it armored and

01:40:12.080 --> 01:40:14.080
protected, our next step, if we

01:40:14.080 --> 01:40:16.080
felt the pipeline was deteriorating

01:40:16.080 --> 01:40:18.080
would be to line it and

01:40:18.080 --> 01:40:20.080
essentially that converts it to a

01:40:20.080 --> 01:40:22.080
plastic pipe and we'd expect to

01:40:22.080 --> 01:40:24.080
get 100-year life out of it.

01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:26.080
That's a good idea.

01:40:26.080 --> 01:40:28.080
That's a good idea.

01:40:28.080 --> 01:40:30.080
I'm sorry.

01:40:30.080 --> 01:40:32.080
This includes the area where we

01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:34.080
had armored with concrete in the

01:40:34.080 --> 01:40:36.080
past.

01:40:36.080 --> 01:40:38.080
Correct?

01:40:38.080 --> 01:40:40.080
Or has that already been

01:40:40.080 --> 01:40:42.080
resolved?

01:40:42.080 --> 01:40:44.080
We had essentially poured what

01:40:44.080 --> 01:40:46.080
almost made a dam in the

01:40:46.080 --> 01:40:48.080
creek there.

01:40:48.080 --> 01:40:50.080
That has been resolved with the

01:40:50.080 --> 01:40:52.080
county's project.

01:40:52.080 --> 01:40:54.080
That's why we're bringing

01:40:54.080 --> 01:40:56.080
Strand on to figure it out.

01:40:56.080 --> 01:40:58.080
I would want to know if we

01:40:58.080 --> 01:41:00.080
didn't do anything for another

01:41:00.080 --> 01:41:02.080
year or two, what's the worst that

01:41:02.080 --> 01:41:04.080
could happen?

01:41:04.080 --> 01:41:06.080
The worst that could happen is

01:41:06.080 --> 01:41:08.080
they could continue to lose

01:41:08.080 --> 01:41:10.080
material around the pipe and

01:41:10.080 --> 01:41:12.080
then the pipe would be

01:41:12.080 --> 01:41:14.080
more likely to be able to do it

01:41:14.080 --> 01:41:16.080
or not.

01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:18.080
That's why we're bringing

01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:20.080
Strand on to figure it out.

01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:22.080
That's why we're bringing

01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:24.080
material around the pipe and

01:41:24.080 --> 01:41:26.080
then the pipe would either

01:41:26.080 --> 01:41:28.080
break and you'd have sewage

01:41:28.080 --> 01:41:30.080
spilling into the creek and

01:41:30.080 --> 01:41:32.080
then you'd have to get in there

01:41:32.080 --> 01:41:34.080
and repair it in an emergency

01:41:34.080 --> 01:41:36.080
situation.

01:41:36.080 --> 01:41:38.080
That's probably the worst case

01:41:38.080 --> 01:41:40.080
scenario.

01:41:40.080 --> 01:41:42.080
If we end up doing something

01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:44.080
there as an emergency repair,

01:41:44.080 --> 01:41:46.080
the DNR does tend to charge a

01:41:46.080 --> 01:41:48.080
price.

01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:50.080
That would have to do to

01:41:50.080 --> 01:41:52.080
a tone for having done

01:41:52.080 --> 01:41:54.080
something it didn't like in the

01:41:54.080 --> 01:41:56.080
creek.

01:41:56.080 --> 01:41:58.080
And then your pipe's still

01:41:58.080 --> 01:42:00.080
going to be exposed because

01:42:00.080 --> 01:42:02.080
the stream bed is not going to

01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:04.080
raise up during that period.

01:42:04.080 --> 01:42:06.080
That was the transfer of

01:42:06.080 --> 01:42:08.080
Oakland Avenue Green to the

01:42:08.080 --> 01:42:10.080
county and making that in the

01:42:10.080 --> 01:42:12.080
prairie was part of what the

01:42:12.080 --> 01:42:14.080
DNR demanded as some of the

01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:16.080
price for what we had done when

01:42:16.080 --> 01:42:18.080
we were able to get into the

01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:20.080
stream from there.

01:42:20.080 --> 01:42:22.080
Yeah.

01:42:22.080 --> 01:42:24.080
So, yeah, we experienced this in

01:42:24.080 --> 01:42:26.080
2019, I believe.

01:42:26.080 --> 01:42:28.080
So we've had experience with

01:42:28.080 --> 01:42:30.080
this type of project before

01:42:30.080 --> 01:42:32.080
and the results of ignoring it.

01:42:32.080 --> 01:42:34.080
Well, we didn't ignore it.

01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:36.080
We didn't know it existed until

01:42:36.080 --> 01:42:40.080
the 2018 storm undermined

01:42:40.080 --> 01:42:42.080
one of our crossings and we

01:42:42.080 --> 01:42:44.080
discovered it, you know,

01:42:44.080 --> 01:42:46.080
a year later, essentially.

01:42:46.080 --> 01:42:48.080
And so, when we

01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:52.080
took action to

01:42:52.080 --> 01:42:54.080
protect the pipe, it became a

01:42:54.080 --> 01:42:56.080
dam on the creek.

01:42:56.080 --> 01:42:58.080
And so, this is, yeah, again,

01:42:58.080 --> 01:43:00.080
this is more proactive than

01:43:00.080 --> 01:43:02.080
reactive.

01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:04.080
So, when that happened, it

01:43:04.080 --> 01:43:06.080
called our attention to other

01:43:06.080 --> 01:43:08.080
creek crossings that we needed to

01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:10.080
examine.

01:43:10.080 --> 01:43:12.080
And so, these are deep in the

01:43:12.080 --> 01:43:14.080
way that they had been

01:43:14.080 --> 01:43:16.080
eroded.

01:43:16.080 --> 01:43:18.080
All right.

01:43:18.080 --> 01:43:20.080
Any other questions or comments?

01:43:20.080 --> 01:43:22.080
Otherwise, so entertain a

01:43:22.080 --> 01:43:24.080
motion on this item?

01:43:24.080 --> 01:43:26.080
I guess it just feels like a

01:43:26.080 --> 01:43:28.080
relatively small investment to

01:43:28.080 --> 01:43:30.080
prevent all the really large

01:43:30.080 --> 01:43:32.080
much bigger problem in the future.

01:43:32.080 --> 01:43:34.080
So, I moved out to city except

01:43:34.080 --> 01:43:36.080
the proposal from Strand Associates

01:43:36.080 --> 01:43:38.080
to design protection of the

01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:40.080
sanitary sewer within the

01:43:40.080 --> 01:43:42.080
city.

01:43:42.080 --> 01:43:44.080
All right.

01:43:44.080 --> 01:43:46.080
We have a motion by

01:43:46.080 --> 01:43:48.080
Alderman Beaster.

01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:50.080
Is there a second?

01:43:50.080 --> 01:43:52.080
I'll second that.

01:43:52.080 --> 01:43:54.080
Second by Mr. Brooks.

01:43:54.080 --> 01:43:56.080
Any questions on the motion?

01:43:56.080 --> 01:43:58.080
Seeing none, all those in favor

01:43:58.080 --> 01:43:59.080
say aye.

01:43:59.080 --> 01:44:00.080
Aye.

01:44:00.080 --> 01:44:01.080
Opposed?

01:44:01.080 --> 01:44:02.080
Motion carries.

01:44:02.080 --> 01:44:04.080
That brings us to

01:44:04.080 --> 01:44:06.080
item 10,

01:44:06.080 --> 01:44:08.080
consideration and possible

01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:10.080
motion.

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:12.080
All right.

01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:14.080
All right.

01:44:14.080 --> 01:44:16.080
People have been on the board

01:44:16.080 --> 01:44:18.080
for a while.

01:44:18.080 --> 01:44:20.080
The spring street interceptor,

01:44:20.080 --> 01:44:22.080
that's a project to enlarge

01:44:22.080 --> 01:44:24.080
that interceptor to help

01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:26.080
alleviate some

01:44:26.080 --> 01:44:28.080
basement backups that we

01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:30.080
know are occurring now and

01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:32.080
also then to facilitate future

01:44:32.080 --> 01:44:34.080
growth that will have pipe

01:44:34.080 --> 01:44:36.080
capacity.

01:44:36.080 --> 01:44:40.080
So, we've attempted this

01:44:40.080 --> 01:44:44.080
railroad crossing two times.

01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:46.080
The first time we hit what we

01:44:46.080 --> 01:44:48.080
believe is the abutment for

01:44:48.080 --> 01:44:50.080
the old inner urban railroad

01:44:50.080 --> 01:44:52.080
tracks.

01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:54.080
This time we hit

01:44:54.080 --> 01:44:56.080
some other unknown

01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:58.080
obstruction,

01:44:58.080 --> 01:45:00.080
despite the fact that we had

01:45:00.080 --> 01:45:02.080
gone through and

01:45:02.080 --> 01:45:04.080
did some vertical soil

01:45:04.080 --> 01:45:06.080
crossings.

01:45:06.080 --> 01:45:08.080
We've moved the alignment

01:45:08.080 --> 01:45:10.080
as far north as we can.

01:45:10.080 --> 01:45:12.080
And we're going to go

01:45:12.080 --> 01:45:14.080
horizontal, essentially

01:45:14.080 --> 01:45:16.080
through the full road of the

01:45:16.080 --> 01:45:18.080
alignment to see if there's

01:45:18.080 --> 01:45:20.080
anything in there.

01:45:20.080 --> 01:45:22.080
Test drill.

01:45:22.080 --> 01:45:24.080
Test drill.

01:45:24.080 --> 01:45:26.080
Yeah.

01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:30.080
And if that works, then we'll

01:45:30.080 --> 01:45:34.080
come back with a full design

01:45:34.080 --> 01:45:36.080
of the sewer.

01:45:36.080 --> 01:45:38.080
I'm curious, what is this

01:45:38.080 --> 01:45:40.080
sentence, this new alignment

01:45:40.080 --> 01:45:42.080
as far north as we can push

01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:44.080
the sanitary sewer

01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:46.080
if an obstruction is found

01:45:46.080 --> 01:45:48.080
what exactly is it?

01:45:48.080 --> 01:45:50.080
So, we're going to go back

01:45:50.080 --> 01:45:52.080
with this new alignment as

01:45:52.080 --> 01:45:54.080
far north as we can push

01:45:54.080 --> 01:45:56.080
the sanitary sewer if an

01:45:56.080 --> 01:45:58.080
obstruction is found.

01:45:58.080 --> 01:46:00.080
What exactly does that mean?

01:46:00.080 --> 01:46:02.080
What do we get into if we go

01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:04.080
further north?

01:46:04.080 --> 01:46:06.080
The biggest thing if we go

01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:08.080
more north than what we're

01:46:08.080 --> 01:46:10.080
proposing is we're off

01:46:10.080 --> 01:46:12.080
land that we have reasonable

01:46:12.080 --> 01:46:14.080
access to.

01:46:14.080 --> 01:46:16.080
That we get in the land

01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:18.080
acquisition.

01:46:18.080 --> 01:46:20.080
So, we're going to go back

01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:22.080
to the

01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:24.080
$10,000 change order.

01:46:24.080 --> 01:46:26.080
How many test drills does that

01:46:26.080 --> 01:46:28.080
get us?

01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:30.080
Phil, you have an answer?

01:46:30.080 --> 01:46:32.080
That gets us two-thirty

01:46:32.080 --> 01:46:34.080
inches apart, which is the

01:46:34.080 --> 01:46:36.080
diameter of our casing pipe.

01:46:36.080 --> 01:46:38.080
You know,

01:46:38.080 --> 01:46:40.080
it's working with the railroad

01:46:40.080 --> 01:46:42.080
we thought because we asked

01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:44.080
if we hit this, can we slide

01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:46.080
over a little bit and do

01:46:46.080 --> 01:46:48.080
another one for verification?

01:46:48.080 --> 01:46:50.080
And if you do that, they say

01:46:50.080 --> 01:46:52.080
no, we need to submit a whole new

01:46:52.080 --> 01:46:54.080
plan, a whole new permission.

01:46:54.080 --> 01:46:56.080
You know, they don't just let

01:46:56.080 --> 01:46:58.080
you go out there and work for

01:46:58.080 --> 01:47:00.080
a day and get a ton.

01:47:00.080 --> 01:47:02.080
Yeah, and

01:47:02.080 --> 01:47:04.080
Union Pacific is not the

01:47:04.080 --> 01:47:06.080
most cooperative railroad

01:47:06.080 --> 01:47:08.080
to work with.

01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:10.080
All right.

01:47:10.080 --> 01:47:12.080
Any other questions?

01:47:12.080 --> 01:47:14.080
I would move to approve the

01:47:14.080 --> 01:47:16.080
staff recommendation.

01:47:16.080 --> 01:47:18.080
All right.

01:47:18.080 --> 01:47:20.080
We have a motion by

01:47:20.080 --> 01:47:22.080
Alderman Beaster. Is there a

01:47:22.080 --> 01:47:24.080
second?

01:47:24.080 --> 01:47:26.080
Second by Alderman Miller.

01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:28.080
Any questions on the motion?

01:47:28.080 --> 01:47:30.080
Seeing none, all those in favor

01:47:30.080 --> 01:47:32.080
say aye.

01:47:32.080 --> 01:47:34.080
Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

01:47:34.080 --> 01:47:36.080
That brings us to item

01:47:36.080 --> 01:47:38.080
11,

01:47:38.080 --> 01:47:40.080
Consideration and

01:47:40.080 --> 01:47:42.080
Aye.

01:47:42.080 --> 01:47:44.080
He's the next item.

01:47:44.080 --> 01:47:48.080
All right, so we're nearing

01:47:48.080 --> 01:47:50.080
completion of the wastewater

01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:52.080
treatment plan.

01:47:52.080 --> 01:47:54.080
A lot of these change orders

01:47:54.080 --> 01:47:56.080
here are clean up.

01:47:56.080 --> 01:47:58.080
We have a lot of allowance

01:47:58.080 --> 01:48:00.080
items on our contract that

01:48:00.080 --> 01:48:02.080
we're now returning back to

01:48:02.080 --> 01:48:04.080
us.

01:48:04.080 --> 01:48:06.080
And really to kind of just

01:48:06.080 --> 01:48:08.080
kind of go through the line

01:48:08.080 --> 01:48:10.080
item, everything in the change

01:48:10.080 --> 01:48:12.080
order.

01:48:12.080 --> 01:48:14.080
I'll have Phil do that as

01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:16.080
our construction engineer

01:48:16.080 --> 01:48:18.080
and owner's rep.

01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:20.080
Okay.

01:48:20.080 --> 01:48:24.080
Just step through the

01:48:24.080 --> 01:48:26.080
memo here.

01:48:26.080 --> 01:48:28.080
So the first item

01:48:28.080 --> 01:48:30.080
is electrical conduit

01:48:30.080 --> 01:48:32.080
and wiring.

01:48:32.080 --> 01:48:34.080
So there's an

01:48:34.080 --> 01:48:36.080
electrical conduit and

01:48:36.080 --> 01:48:38.080
wiring.

01:48:38.080 --> 01:48:40.080
So there's at the treatment

01:48:40.080 --> 01:48:42.080
plan.

01:48:42.080 --> 01:48:44.080
Does anyone want me to run

01:48:44.080 --> 01:48:46.080
through kind of how the

01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:48.080
treatment plant works at all

01:48:48.080 --> 01:48:50.080
or just run through these

01:48:50.080 --> 01:48:52.080
change orders?

01:48:52.080 --> 01:48:54.080
Items.

01:48:54.080 --> 01:48:56.080
Okay.

01:48:56.080 --> 01:48:58.080
So there's the treatment

01:48:58.080 --> 01:49:00.080
plant produces digester gas

01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:02.080
and that gas is burned in a

01:49:02.080 --> 01:49:03.080
waste gas burner.

01:49:03.080 --> 01:49:05.080
And as they replaced it,

01:49:05.080 --> 01:49:07.080
there was buried electrical

01:49:07.080 --> 01:49:09.080
conduit that nobody knew about

01:49:09.080 --> 01:49:11.080
right above the pipe.

01:49:11.080 --> 01:49:13.080
So that's what the first item

01:49:13.080 --> 01:49:15.080
was for is to replace that

01:49:15.080 --> 01:49:17.080
conduit because that wasn't

01:49:17.080 --> 01:49:19.080
included in the bid itself.

01:49:19.080 --> 01:49:21.080
The second items,

01:49:21.080 --> 01:49:23.080
there's add spool pieces,

01:49:23.080 --> 01:49:25.080
thick and waste-activated

01:49:25.080 --> 01:49:27.080
sludge pump piping.

01:49:27.080 --> 01:49:29.080
This came up because the

01:49:29.080 --> 01:49:31.080
existing, one of the existing

01:49:31.080 --> 01:49:33.080
pipes was a through bolt

01:49:33.080 --> 01:49:35.080
connection.

01:49:35.080 --> 01:49:37.080
So we needed to put on a

01:49:37.080 --> 01:49:39.080
spool piece to make that

01:49:39.080 --> 01:49:41.080
connection.

01:49:41.080 --> 01:49:43.080
And then also the existing

01:49:43.080 --> 01:49:45.080
piping was not level or

01:49:45.080 --> 01:49:47.080
straight in alignment.

01:49:47.080 --> 01:49:49.080
So a stainless steel like

01:49:49.080 --> 01:49:51.080
offset fitting was added to

01:49:51.080 --> 01:49:53.080
straighten that pipe up.

01:49:53.080 --> 01:49:55.080
So with that item was

01:49:55.080 --> 01:49:57.080
add supports to elevated

01:49:57.080 --> 01:49:59.080
walkway to headworks building.

01:49:59.080 --> 01:50:01.080
So some stiffeners were added

01:50:01.080 --> 01:50:03.080
to restrict any

01:50:03.080 --> 01:50:05.080
sort of swing.

01:50:05.080 --> 01:50:07.080
Removal of conduit embedded

01:50:07.080 --> 01:50:09.080
in wall, which conflicted with

01:50:09.080 --> 01:50:11.080
new door installation.

01:50:11.080 --> 01:50:13.080
So a previous change order added

01:50:13.080 --> 01:50:15.080
a new door on the second floor.

01:50:15.080 --> 01:50:17.080
And when they put the door in

01:50:17.080 --> 01:50:19.080
or cut the wall for it,

01:50:19.080 --> 01:50:21.080
they found a conduit that

01:50:21.080 --> 01:50:23.080
was embedded in the wall.

01:50:23.080 --> 01:50:25.080
So that was to replace that

01:50:25.080 --> 01:50:27.080
conduit, modify HVC open

01:50:27.080 --> 01:50:29.080
enclosure above raw wastewater

01:50:29.080 --> 01:50:31.080
pumps.

01:50:31.080 --> 01:50:33.080
So there was an existing

01:50:33.080 --> 01:50:35.080
openings there that had a exhaust

01:50:35.080 --> 01:50:37.080
fan and a loover.

01:50:37.080 --> 01:50:39.080
We thought that the loover was

01:50:39.080 --> 01:50:41.080
separate from the exhaust fan,

01:50:41.080 --> 01:50:43.080
but they were actually attached.

01:50:43.080 --> 01:50:45.080
We were planning to use that

01:50:45.080 --> 01:50:47.080
loover as kind of a back plate

01:50:47.080 --> 01:50:49.080
for a piece of stainless

01:50:49.080 --> 01:50:51.080
steel to close that opening up.

01:50:51.080 --> 01:50:53.080
But when they demoed it,

01:50:53.080 --> 01:50:55.080
they were connected.

01:50:55.080 --> 01:50:57.080
They were put in a modified piece

01:50:57.080 --> 01:50:59.080
of stainless steel plate

01:50:59.080 --> 01:51:01.080
that was more extensive

01:51:01.080 --> 01:51:03.080
than what was planned.

01:51:03.080 --> 01:51:05.080
That was that cost.

01:51:05.080 --> 01:51:07.080
The next one

01:51:07.080 --> 01:51:09.080
is a larger one

01:51:09.080 --> 01:51:11.080
for the digester.

01:51:11.080 --> 01:51:13.080
So the digesters are

01:51:13.080 --> 01:51:17.080
these three tanks here

01:51:17.080 --> 01:51:19.080
and they have covers on them

01:51:19.080 --> 01:51:21.080
that have a coating on them

01:51:21.080 --> 01:51:23.080
that wears out over time.

01:51:23.080 --> 01:51:25.080
So the part of the project was

01:51:25.080 --> 01:51:27.080
to repaint

01:51:27.080 --> 01:51:29.080
these covers.

01:51:29.080 --> 01:51:31.080
And yeah.

01:51:41.080 --> 01:51:43.080
Okay, I have to go in.

01:51:43.080 --> 01:51:45.080
Okay.

01:51:45.080 --> 01:51:47.080
So the digesters

01:51:47.080 --> 01:51:49.080
that required painting

01:51:49.080 --> 01:51:51.080
are the larger circle

01:51:51.080 --> 01:51:53.080
and then the one to the right of it.

01:51:53.080 --> 01:51:55.080
And the contractor

01:51:55.080 --> 01:51:57.080
had planned to remove those

01:51:57.080 --> 01:51:59.080
with a crane.

01:51:59.080 --> 01:52:01.080
But when they brought in

01:52:01.080 --> 01:52:03.080
the crane company,

01:52:03.080 --> 01:52:05.080
they were concerned

01:52:05.080 --> 01:52:07.080
that they were going to crush

01:52:07.080 --> 01:52:09.080
some of the sewers that run along

01:52:09.080 --> 01:52:11.080
in the entrance road

01:52:11.080 --> 01:52:13.080
to the treatment plant,

01:52:13.080 --> 01:52:15.080
because they were only two to three feet

01:52:15.080 --> 01:52:17.080
deep in spots.

01:52:17.080 --> 01:52:19.080
And with the weight of the crane

01:52:19.080 --> 01:52:21.080
they were not comfortable doing it.

01:52:21.080 --> 01:52:23.080
So they had

01:52:23.080 --> 01:52:25.080
to, the contractor

01:52:25.080 --> 01:52:27.080
had to sand blast and paint

01:52:27.080 --> 01:52:29.080
the two covers in

01:52:29.080 --> 01:52:31.080
place.

01:52:31.080 --> 01:52:33.080
And that cost was pretty much the same.

01:52:33.080 --> 01:52:35.080
The bigger cost was

01:52:35.080 --> 01:52:37.080
that they had to do everything

01:52:37.080 --> 01:52:39.080
became a confined space now.

01:52:39.080 --> 01:52:41.080
So they had to have somebody

01:52:41.080 --> 01:52:43.080
on top of those covers

01:52:43.080 --> 01:52:45.080
look ready to pull people out

01:52:45.080 --> 01:52:47.080
if there was any sort of

01:52:47.080 --> 01:52:49.080
space that gas detection

01:52:49.080 --> 01:52:51.080
or anything that went off.

01:52:51.080 --> 01:52:53.080
So that's what the major cost

01:52:53.080 --> 01:52:55.080
for that work

01:52:55.080 --> 01:52:57.080
ended up being this

01:52:57.080 --> 01:52:59.080
additional 76,000

01:52:59.080 --> 01:53:01.080
was for the most part

01:53:01.080 --> 01:53:03.080
the confined space

01:53:03.080 --> 01:53:05.080
watchdog.

01:53:05.080 --> 01:53:07.080
And then there was also

01:53:07.080 --> 01:53:09.080
we had an allowance

01:53:09.080 --> 01:53:11.080
to do work

01:53:11.080 --> 01:53:13.080
inside the attic space.

01:53:13.080 --> 01:53:15.080
So these covers are actually a dual deck

01:53:15.080 --> 01:53:17.080
and there's an attic space

01:53:17.080 --> 01:53:19.080
and then another piece

01:53:19.080 --> 01:53:21.080
below that.

01:53:21.080 --> 01:53:23.080
So in that attic space

01:53:23.080 --> 01:53:25.080
we were unsure of the condition.

01:53:25.080 --> 01:53:27.080
So when they opened those up

01:53:27.080 --> 01:53:29.080
and inspected them

01:53:29.080 --> 01:53:31.080
there were some areas that needed

01:53:31.080 --> 01:53:33.080
new painting or

01:53:33.080 --> 01:53:35.080
additional steel that was

01:53:35.080 --> 01:53:37.080
above and beyond the allowance amount.

01:53:37.080 --> 01:53:39.080
So that's also

01:53:39.080 --> 01:53:41.080
lumped into this

01:53:41.080 --> 01:53:43.080
$76,000

01:53:43.080 --> 01:53:45.080
so that makes sense

01:53:45.080 --> 01:53:47.080
to everyone.

01:53:47.080 --> 01:53:49.080
Next item replaced the

01:53:49.080 --> 01:53:51.080
sparking rod and the gas waste

01:53:51.080 --> 01:53:53.080
gas burner so that just wore out

01:53:53.080 --> 01:53:55.080
and required replacement.

01:53:55.080 --> 01:53:57.080
And then the last item

01:53:57.080 --> 01:53:59.080
this one already came to you

01:53:59.080 --> 01:54:01.080
in a previous change order

01:54:01.080 --> 01:54:03.080
is the die store cover

01:54:03.080 --> 01:54:05.080
so that's the

01:54:05.080 --> 01:54:07.080
bottom of the circular

01:54:07.080 --> 01:54:09.080
tanks.

01:54:09.080 --> 01:54:11.080
And that cover at some

01:54:11.080 --> 01:54:13.080
point

01:54:13.080 --> 01:54:15.080
the cover was deflated

01:54:15.080 --> 01:54:17.080
so that they could do the work

01:54:17.080 --> 01:54:19.080
and when it was deflated

01:54:19.080 --> 01:54:23.080
a wind must have caught it and moved

01:54:23.080 --> 01:54:25.080
it off, moved the cover

01:54:25.080 --> 01:54:27.080
along with

01:54:27.080 --> 01:54:29.080
this stairway

01:54:29.080 --> 01:54:31.080
and then there's some supports.

01:54:31.080 --> 01:54:33.080
It's hard to see but there's a cage

01:54:33.080 --> 01:54:35.080
above that cover

01:54:35.080 --> 01:54:37.080
and that was damaged in spots.

01:54:37.080 --> 01:54:39.080
And that was not planned to be

01:54:39.080 --> 01:54:41.080
replaced as part of the project.

01:54:41.080 --> 01:54:43.080
It is 35 years old

01:54:43.080 --> 01:54:45.080
and it's aluminum so it wasn't

01:54:45.080 --> 01:54:47.080
noticeably corroding or anything

01:54:47.080 --> 01:54:49.080
like that but because

01:54:49.080 --> 01:54:51.080
of the damage to it

01:54:51.080 --> 01:54:53.080
it required replacement

01:54:53.080 --> 01:54:55.080
and that the previous change order

01:54:55.080 --> 01:54:57.080
we had gotten a quote from the

01:54:57.080 --> 01:54:59.080
original dome manufacturer

01:54:59.080 --> 01:55:01.080
to replace it but

01:55:01.080 --> 01:55:03.080
they are out of Canada

01:55:03.080 --> 01:55:05.080
and the cost they included

01:55:05.080 --> 01:55:07.080
did not include a tariff

01:55:07.080 --> 01:55:09.080
and then it also

01:55:09.080 --> 01:55:11.080
one of their terms was they wanted

01:55:11.080 --> 01:55:13.080
100% payment up front

01:55:13.080 --> 01:55:15.080
without any delivery

01:55:15.080 --> 01:55:17.080
of any material, any shop drawings

01:55:17.080 --> 01:55:19.080
or anything.

01:55:19.080 --> 01:55:21.080
So the contractor was uncomfortable

01:55:21.080 --> 01:55:23.080
that city staff were uncomfortable

01:55:23.080 --> 01:55:25.080
that I was uncomfortable

01:55:25.080 --> 01:55:27.080
that so we reached out to other

01:55:27.080 --> 01:55:29.080
dome manufacturers

01:55:29.080 --> 01:55:31.080
who we've worked with in the past

01:55:31.080 --> 01:55:33.080
and the contractors worked with

01:55:33.080 --> 01:55:35.080
and we got quotes from them

01:55:35.080 --> 01:55:37.080
in higher than

01:55:37.080 --> 01:55:39.080
the original manufacturers but

01:55:39.080 --> 01:55:41.080
they have the typical payment

01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:43.080
terms that were more custom to

01:55:43.080 --> 01:55:45.080
so that's what that item is

01:55:45.080 --> 01:55:47.080
and then I think it's

01:55:47.080 --> 01:55:49.080
also an insurance claim

01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:51.080
just due to the nature

01:55:51.080 --> 01:55:55.080
of what happened

01:55:55.080 --> 01:55:57.080
any questions on that item

01:56:01.080 --> 01:56:03.080
and then the last item is just

01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:05.080
credits for unused allowances

01:56:07.080 --> 01:56:09.080
so these are

01:56:09.080 --> 01:56:11.080
most of the remaining changes

01:56:11.080 --> 01:56:13.080
there are a couple outstanding

01:56:13.080 --> 01:56:15.080
changes on here that the contractors

01:56:15.080 --> 01:56:17.080
got pricing for and a couple of

01:56:17.080 --> 01:56:19.080
outstanding allowances that they

01:56:19.080 --> 01:56:21.080
haven't given us final

01:56:21.080 --> 01:56:23.080
invoices for but

01:56:23.080 --> 01:56:25.080
those items are all pretty small

01:56:25.080 --> 01:56:27.080
so that the final change order

01:56:27.080 --> 01:56:29.080
is expected to be under

01:56:29.080 --> 01:56:31.080
$10,000 for everything

01:56:31.080 --> 01:56:33.080
so

01:56:33.080 --> 01:56:35.080
just kind of a financial

01:56:35.080 --> 01:56:37.080
and we're with this change

01:56:37.080 --> 01:56:39.080
order and

01:56:39.080 --> 01:56:41.080
I guess the remaining

01:56:41.080 --> 01:56:43.080
outstanding items we expect to be

01:56:43.080 --> 01:56:45.080
underneath our five percent

01:56:45.080 --> 01:56:47.080
contingency amount that that we

01:56:47.080 --> 01:56:49.080
received

01:56:49.080 --> 01:56:51.080
on our DNR loan for the project

01:56:55.080 --> 01:56:57.080
all right are there any

01:56:57.080 --> 01:56:59.080
questions or comments

01:56:59.080 --> 01:57:01.080
if not

01:57:01.080 --> 01:57:03.080
I will entertain a motion

01:57:03.080 --> 01:57:07.080
on this item

01:57:07.080 --> 01:57:09.080
I move to approve the staff

01:57:09.080 --> 01:57:11.080
recommendation

01:57:11.080 --> 01:57:13.080
we have motion by Alderman Beaster

01:57:13.080 --> 01:57:15.080
is there a second?

01:57:15.080 --> 01:57:17.080
I'll second

01:57:17.080 --> 01:57:19.080
second by Mr. Sudendorf

01:57:19.080 --> 01:57:21.080
any discussion on the motion

01:57:21.080 --> 01:57:23.080
seeing none all those in favor say

01:57:23.080 --> 01:57:25.080
aye aye opposed

01:57:25.080 --> 01:57:27.080
motion carries

01:57:27.080 --> 01:57:29.080
all right thank you

01:57:29.080 --> 01:57:31.080
that brings us to item

01:57:31.080 --> 01:57:33.080
12 consideration and possible

01:57:33.080 --> 01:57:35.080
action on construction change

01:57:35.080 --> 01:57:37.080
order six at the water

01:57:37.080 --> 01:57:39.080
treatment plant

01:57:47.080 --> 01:57:49.080
all right so

01:57:49.080 --> 01:57:51.080
just like the waste water

01:57:51.080 --> 01:57:53.080
change order we just went through

01:57:53.080 --> 01:57:55.080
we have

01:57:55.080 --> 01:57:57.080
a project engineer for

01:57:57.080 --> 01:57:59.080
from SCH on the phone

01:57:59.080 --> 01:58:01.080
he's going to help kind of

01:58:01.080 --> 01:58:03.080
go over these change orders and

01:58:03.080 --> 01:58:05.080
answer any questions that we can't

01:58:05.080 --> 01:58:07.080
Brad are you on?

01:58:07.080 --> 01:58:09.080
I am can you folks hear me?

01:58:09.080 --> 01:58:11.080
yep we can hear you

01:58:11.080 --> 01:58:13.080
all right thanks thanks for having

01:58:13.080 --> 01:58:15.080
me tonight

01:58:15.080 --> 01:58:17.080
do you want do you have

01:58:17.080 --> 01:58:18.080
anything more to say or do you want me to

01:58:18.080 --> 01:58:19.080
lead him?

01:58:19.080 --> 01:58:21.080
you can lead in just so you know I have a

01:58:21.080 --> 01:58:23.080
a slide show going so yeah

01:58:23.080 --> 01:58:25.080
I can see it it's a

01:58:25.080 --> 01:58:27.080
nice looking building it is

01:58:29.080 --> 01:58:31.080
so this is

01:58:31.080 --> 01:58:33.080
our sixth change order

01:58:33.080 --> 01:58:35.080
that we are looking to process

01:58:35.080 --> 01:58:37.080
um there are

01:58:37.080 --> 01:58:39.080
ten items on it

01:58:41.080 --> 01:58:43.080
there are

01:58:43.080 --> 01:58:45.080
as far as construction progress

01:58:45.080 --> 01:58:47.080
goes we are

01:58:47.080 --> 01:58:49.080
in the process of

01:58:49.080 --> 01:58:51.080
working to start up plant

01:58:51.080 --> 01:58:53.080
one as well as

01:58:53.080 --> 01:58:55.080
the new clear well

01:58:55.080 --> 01:58:57.080
and equalization basins

01:58:57.080 --> 01:58:59.080
on the southern side of the

01:58:59.080 --> 01:59:01.080
plant the far the far right side

01:59:01.080 --> 01:59:03.080
that addition down there we're in the

01:59:03.080 --> 01:59:05.080
process of getting those pieces

01:59:05.080 --> 01:59:07.080
online

01:59:07.080 --> 01:59:09.080
but as we've been going

01:59:09.080 --> 01:59:11.080
you folks are all aware

01:59:11.080 --> 01:59:13.080
as we've been going we have been

01:59:13.080 --> 01:59:15.080
finding things

01:59:15.080 --> 01:59:17.080
in the building

01:59:17.080 --> 01:59:19.080
our thoughts

01:59:19.080 --> 01:59:21.080
have changed slightly on a couple of

01:59:21.080 --> 01:59:23.080
things and we're looking to

01:59:23.080 --> 01:59:25.080
bring some of these two folks here tonight

01:59:25.080 --> 01:59:27.080
so ten items

01:59:27.080 --> 01:59:29.080
here first

01:59:29.080 --> 01:59:31.080
some additional some

01:59:31.080 --> 01:59:33.080
roof drainage

01:59:33.080 --> 01:59:35.080
to drain

01:59:35.080 --> 01:59:37.080
additional portions of

01:59:37.080 --> 01:59:39.080
the plant to below grade

01:59:39.080 --> 01:59:41.080
piping or a blow

01:59:41.080 --> 01:59:43.080
grade storm so after the

01:59:43.080 --> 01:59:45.080
flood

01:59:45.080 --> 01:59:47.080
gotcha

01:59:47.080 --> 01:59:49.080
a little while ago now but after

01:59:49.080 --> 01:59:51.080
that we have been looking to improve

01:59:51.080 --> 01:59:53.080
how the building drains

01:59:53.080 --> 01:59:55.080
so this ties some of the roof drains

01:59:55.080 --> 01:59:57.080
into

01:59:57.080 --> 01:59:59.080
below grade storms

01:59:59.080 --> 02:00:01.080
or we've brought pieces of this

02:00:01.080 --> 02:00:03.080
to you folks previously

02:00:03.080 --> 02:00:05.080
um and

02:00:05.080 --> 02:00:07.080
we are of the belief

02:00:07.080 --> 02:00:09.080
that this is the last one here

02:00:09.080 --> 02:00:13.080
uh second item

02:00:13.080 --> 02:00:15.080
the door from the plant operator

02:00:15.080 --> 02:00:17.080
space to the

02:00:17.080 --> 02:00:19.080
uh plant one

02:00:19.080 --> 02:00:21.080
pump room mezzanine

02:00:21.080 --> 02:00:23.080
we change how the door

02:00:23.080 --> 02:00:25.080
swung

02:00:25.080 --> 02:00:27.080
um and the as bid

02:00:27.080 --> 02:00:29.080
it was a solid

02:00:29.080 --> 02:00:31.080
door no light kit

02:00:31.080 --> 02:00:33.080
added a light kit

02:00:33.080 --> 02:00:35.080
made it a bit more operator-friendly

02:00:35.080 --> 02:00:37.080
in in that

02:00:37.080 --> 02:00:39.080
regard if you haven't been over

02:00:39.080 --> 02:00:41.080
there that room is

02:00:41.080 --> 02:00:43.080
night and day difference from what

02:00:43.080 --> 02:00:45.080
it was four years ago a much

02:00:45.080 --> 02:00:47.080
better place for staff to work

02:00:47.080 --> 02:00:49.080
uh item number three

02:00:49.080 --> 02:00:51.080
there are several pieces

02:00:51.080 --> 02:00:53.080
uh of this

02:00:53.080 --> 02:00:55.080
this is uh the last of

02:00:55.080 --> 02:00:57.080
kind of the T&M processes that

02:00:57.080 --> 02:00:59.080
we had with august winter

02:00:59.080 --> 02:01:01.080
uh the process mechanical

02:01:01.080 --> 02:01:03.080
subcontractor to

02:01:03.080 --> 02:01:05.080
cd smith um there is a

02:01:05.080 --> 02:01:07.080
boiler room drain

02:01:07.080 --> 02:01:09.080
an ejector set that uh was

02:01:09.080 --> 02:01:11.080
replaced

02:01:11.080 --> 02:01:13.080
improved

02:01:13.080 --> 02:01:15.080
um the installation of

02:01:15.080 --> 02:01:17.080
a new chemical feed system

02:01:17.080 --> 02:01:19.080
and some field coordination

02:01:19.080 --> 02:01:21.080
of some pipe relocations

02:01:21.080 --> 02:01:23.080
uh small

02:01:23.080 --> 02:01:25.080
pipe pieces

02:01:25.080 --> 02:01:27.080
that need to be relocated

02:01:27.080 --> 02:01:29.080
for electrical runs

02:01:29.080 --> 02:01:31.080
and things like that

02:01:31.080 --> 02:01:33.080
um

02:01:33.080 --> 02:01:35.080
item four

02:01:35.080 --> 02:01:37.080
um

02:01:37.080 --> 02:01:39.080
uh we also see here a

02:01:39.080 --> 02:01:41.080
uh bulk sales

02:01:41.080 --> 02:01:43.080
flow meter uh some work

02:01:43.080 --> 02:01:45.080
to incorporate flow meter

02:01:45.080 --> 02:01:47.080
into here this would go towards a bulk

02:01:47.080 --> 02:01:49.080
sale uh point of sale

02:01:49.080 --> 02:01:51.080
uh type device where

02:01:51.080 --> 02:01:53.080
uh customers

02:01:53.080 --> 02:01:55.080
could come and

02:01:55.080 --> 02:01:57.080
make bulk sale purchases

02:01:57.080 --> 02:01:59.080
and have it be metered

02:01:59.080 --> 02:02:01.080
uh through an implant

02:02:01.080 --> 02:02:03.080
flow meter

02:02:03.080 --> 02:02:05.080
um

02:02:05.080 --> 02:02:07.080
um on the northern

02:02:07.080 --> 02:02:09.080
side of the plant

02:02:09.080 --> 02:02:11.080
uh adjacent to the park

02:02:11.080 --> 02:02:13.080
there we had a bit of uh

02:02:13.080 --> 02:02:15.080
underground utilities

02:02:15.080 --> 02:02:17.080
that traveled a bit outside

02:02:17.080 --> 02:02:19.080
of the limits of disturbance

02:02:19.080 --> 02:02:21.080
a bit of curb restoration

02:02:21.080 --> 02:02:23.080
and then here is

02:02:23.080 --> 02:02:25.080
a new curb cut

02:02:25.080 --> 02:02:27.080
for access to the generator

02:02:27.080 --> 02:02:29.080
on the north side of the plant

02:02:29.080 --> 02:02:31.080
so if you recall historically

02:02:31.080 --> 02:02:33.080
the plant has never had a

02:02:33.080 --> 02:02:35.080
generator this generator has been

02:02:35.080 --> 02:02:37.080
online for a couple of years

02:02:37.080 --> 02:02:39.080
now I want to say it went

02:02:39.080 --> 02:02:41.080
online

02:02:41.080 --> 02:02:43.080
late 24 early

02:02:43.080 --> 02:02:45.080
25 time frame

02:02:45.080 --> 02:02:47.080
provides emergency power for the

02:02:47.080 --> 02:02:49.080
entire plant this

02:02:49.080 --> 02:02:51.080
improves

02:02:51.080 --> 02:02:53.080
vehicle access

02:02:53.080 --> 02:02:55.080
for maintenance of the generator

02:02:55.080 --> 02:02:57.080
for refueling things like that

02:02:57.080 --> 02:02:59.080
it keeps fuel trucks off the street

02:02:59.080 --> 02:03:01.080
it keeps fuel trucks and maintenance

02:03:01.080 --> 02:03:03.080
trucks from having to out the curb

02:03:03.080 --> 02:03:05.080
so overall improved site access

02:03:05.080 --> 02:03:07.080
there

02:03:07.080 --> 02:03:09.080
um oddly enough

02:03:09.080 --> 02:03:11.080
when we go in and start up

02:03:11.080 --> 02:03:13.080
new systems old systems

02:03:13.080 --> 02:03:15.080
keep failing on us

02:03:15.080 --> 02:03:17.080
so flow meters

02:03:17.080 --> 02:03:19.080
existing raw water flow meters

02:03:19.080 --> 02:03:21.080
in plant one

02:03:21.080 --> 02:03:23.080
as we went to start up our

02:03:23.080 --> 02:03:25.080
new pumps in plant one

02:03:25.080 --> 02:03:27.080
the raw water flow meters

02:03:27.080 --> 02:03:29.080
that's a fairly key piece of

02:03:29.080 --> 02:03:31.080
infrastructure here at the water

02:03:31.080 --> 02:03:33.080
plant so we

02:03:35.080 --> 02:03:37.080
looked to

02:03:37.080 --> 02:03:39.080
replace those flow meters for

02:03:39.080 --> 02:03:41.080
accurate flow metering

02:03:41.080 --> 02:03:43.080
flow reading capabilities

02:03:43.080 --> 02:03:45.080
from our other raw water pump

02:03:45.080 --> 02:03:47.080
so this is

02:03:47.080 --> 02:03:49.080
item 68 is for raw water flow meters

02:03:49.080 --> 02:03:51.080
in plant one and plant two

02:03:51.080 --> 02:03:53.080
meter flow to both plants

02:03:53.080 --> 02:03:57.080
item seven is some additional

02:03:57.080 --> 02:03:59.080
controls for backwash

02:03:59.080 --> 02:04:01.080
flow control

02:04:01.080 --> 02:04:05.080
so we're at an interim point where we don't have

02:04:05.080 --> 02:04:07.080
a new backwash pump online

02:04:07.080 --> 02:04:09.080
that pump will live in plant two

02:04:09.080 --> 02:04:11.080
there's two of those

02:04:11.080 --> 02:04:13.080
but as we're looking to start up

02:04:13.080 --> 02:04:15.080
plant one

02:04:15.080 --> 02:04:17.080
we need a way to

02:04:17.080 --> 02:04:19.080
meter flow in the

02:04:19.080 --> 02:04:21.080
in the interim

02:04:21.080 --> 02:04:23.080
so this gives some additional controls

02:04:23.080 --> 02:04:25.080
to backwash

02:04:25.080 --> 02:04:27.080
supply valves in the plant one

02:04:27.080 --> 02:04:29.080
and plant two pipe galleries

02:04:29.080 --> 02:04:31.080
it helps us out in the short term

02:04:31.080 --> 02:04:33.080
allowing plant one to come online

02:04:33.080 --> 02:04:35.080
before some of our new pumps

02:04:35.080 --> 02:04:37.080
are ready to come online

02:04:37.080 --> 02:04:39.080
and it also greatly improves

02:04:39.080 --> 02:04:41.080
the redundancy

02:04:41.080 --> 02:04:43.080
in the backwashing system

02:04:43.080 --> 02:04:45.080
backwashing is

02:04:45.080 --> 02:04:47.080
one of the more critical pieces

02:04:47.080 --> 02:04:49.080
of water plant operations

02:04:49.080 --> 02:04:51.080
if we don't have that our filters

02:04:51.080 --> 02:04:53.080
eventually just stop working

02:04:53.080 --> 02:04:55.080
so having the improved

02:04:55.080 --> 02:04:57.080
reliability and improved redundancy

02:04:57.080 --> 02:04:59.080
on there

02:04:59.080 --> 02:05:01.080
is an added long-term benefit

02:05:01.080 --> 02:05:03.080
in addition to

02:05:03.080 --> 02:05:05.080
advancing some of the work now

02:05:05.080 --> 02:05:09.080
item nine is

02:05:09.080 --> 02:05:11.080
some additional HVAC changes

02:05:11.080 --> 02:05:13.080
on the last

02:05:13.080 --> 02:05:15.080
change order four or change order five

02:05:15.080 --> 02:05:17.080
that we brought to you folks

02:05:17.080 --> 02:05:19.080
I might recall which one

02:05:19.080 --> 02:05:21.080
but we made some changes

02:05:21.080 --> 02:05:23.080
to the garage

02:05:23.080 --> 02:05:25.080
in plant two

02:05:25.080 --> 02:05:27.080
to the chlorine room there

02:05:27.080 --> 02:05:29.080
and what you see here is we split the

02:05:29.080 --> 02:05:31.080
the old chlorine room

02:05:31.080 --> 02:05:33.080
we split it into two pieces

02:05:33.080 --> 02:05:35.080
there were HVAC pieces

02:05:35.080 --> 02:05:37.080
a part of that that was sent to the contractor

02:05:37.080 --> 02:05:39.080
and

02:05:39.080 --> 02:05:41.080
they were missed

02:05:41.080 --> 02:05:43.080
in the pricing so it's

02:05:43.080 --> 02:05:45.080
being approached

02:05:45.080 --> 02:05:47.080
now versus in the last

02:05:47.080 --> 02:05:49.080
change orders it was

02:05:49.080 --> 02:05:51.080
just generally missed

02:05:51.080 --> 02:05:53.080
all around in that pricing

02:05:53.080 --> 02:05:57.080
the last item here is item number

02:05:57.080 --> 02:05:59.080
ten as we put water back

02:05:59.080 --> 02:06:01.080
into the plant one filters

02:06:01.080 --> 02:06:03.080
we realized

02:06:03.080 --> 02:06:07.080
some leaks in the

02:06:07.080 --> 02:06:09.080
concrete wall so we

02:06:09.080 --> 02:06:11.080
approached that

02:06:11.080 --> 02:06:13.080
via some

02:06:13.080 --> 02:06:17.080
chemical crack injection methods

02:06:17.080 --> 02:06:19.080
pumping in a chemical

02:06:19.080 --> 02:06:21.080
grout that hardens upon

02:06:21.080 --> 02:06:23.080
contact with water to seal up

02:06:23.080 --> 02:06:25.080
wall leaks in the concrete

02:06:25.080 --> 02:06:27.080
historically the pipe galleries

02:06:27.080 --> 02:06:29.080
were all the filter face piping

02:06:29.080 --> 02:06:31.080
and valves are historically these

02:06:31.080 --> 02:06:33.080
have been

02:06:33.080 --> 02:06:35.080
much too wet to know

02:06:35.080 --> 02:06:37.080
that these were there

02:06:37.080 --> 02:06:39.080
I think the prevailing thought is

02:06:39.080 --> 02:06:41.080
these have probably been there

02:06:41.080 --> 02:06:43.080
for a number of years and

02:06:43.080 --> 02:06:45.080
we weren't able to know just because

02:06:45.080 --> 02:06:47.080
of the condition of what that room

02:06:47.080 --> 02:06:49.080
and space used to be

02:06:49.080 --> 02:06:51.080
now that that room is looking a lot nicer

02:06:51.080 --> 02:06:53.080
a lot cleaner

02:06:53.080 --> 02:06:55.080
we are starting to see some of these

02:06:55.080 --> 02:06:57.080
leaks and realize

02:06:57.080 --> 02:06:59.080
that they're there

02:06:59.080 --> 02:07:01.080
and really just look to address them

02:07:01.080 --> 02:07:03.080
as they come up

02:07:03.080 --> 02:07:05.080
this is for plant one

02:07:05.080 --> 02:07:07.080
address

02:07:07.080 --> 02:07:09.080
anything in plant two plan to a

02:07:09.080 --> 02:07:11.080
similar point where it's still just a

02:07:11.080 --> 02:07:13.080
little bit too wet not quite to the

02:07:13.080 --> 02:07:15.080
state that we can really look to realize

02:07:15.080 --> 02:07:17.080
or understand if there's anything

02:07:17.080 --> 02:07:19.080
there that needs to be addressed

02:07:19.080 --> 02:07:21.080
we have spent

02:07:21.080 --> 02:07:23.080
a good chunk

02:07:23.080 --> 02:07:25.080
of the last

02:07:25.080 --> 02:07:27.080
month or two assisting

02:07:27.080 --> 02:07:29.080
contractor

02:07:29.080 --> 02:07:31.080
staff with

02:07:31.080 --> 02:07:33.080
sequencing through the project

02:07:33.080 --> 02:07:35.080
in an effort to

02:07:35.080 --> 02:07:37.080
well we all want to get out of the

02:07:37.080 --> 02:07:39.080
plant and add that plant at

02:07:39.080 --> 02:07:41.080
its full functioning capacity there's

02:07:41.080 --> 02:07:43.080
certainly ongoing demands

02:07:43.080 --> 02:07:45.080
of the water system

02:07:45.080 --> 02:07:47.080
that weren't there two years ago

02:07:47.080 --> 02:07:49.080
when the project started right so

02:07:49.080 --> 02:07:51.080
anything we can do to

02:07:51.080 --> 02:07:53.080
bring the plant online faster

02:07:53.080 --> 02:07:55.080
is beneficial so

02:07:55.080 --> 02:07:57.080
myself

02:07:57.080 --> 02:07:59.080
SCH staff and city water

02:07:59.080 --> 02:08:01.080
staff along with

02:08:01.080 --> 02:08:04.080
Dan and plant staff

02:08:04.080 --> 02:08:06.080
had been working with

02:08:06.080 --> 02:08:08.080
CD Smith August winter the

02:08:08.080 --> 02:08:10.080
electrical sub

02:08:10.080 --> 02:08:13.080
J Miller the electrical

02:08:13.080 --> 02:08:15.080
subcontractor on this project to see

02:08:15.080 --> 02:08:17.080
where

02:08:17.080 --> 02:08:19.080
one helped them understand how we can

02:08:19.080 --> 02:08:21.080
move through the plant

02:08:21.080 --> 02:08:23.080
while maintaining plant operations

02:08:23.080 --> 02:08:25.080
what pieces can come online now

02:08:25.080 --> 02:08:27.080
what pieces need to come online in a

02:08:27.080 --> 02:08:29.080
bit when we can pull things off

02:08:29.080 --> 02:08:31.080
and then

02:08:31.080 --> 02:08:33.080
really to press them to understand

02:08:33.080 --> 02:08:35.080
okay we have a lot of work that will

02:08:35.080 --> 02:08:37.080
be happening in plant two

02:08:37.080 --> 02:08:39.080
how many people can you have on

02:08:39.080 --> 02:08:41.080
site there's a lot of places that

02:08:41.080 --> 02:08:43.080
you can work simultaneously

02:08:43.080 --> 02:08:45.080
how many places

02:08:45.080 --> 02:08:47.080
how many crews can you bring on

02:08:47.080 --> 02:08:49.080
site to do that

02:08:49.080 --> 02:08:51.080
so this is the

02:08:51.080 --> 02:08:53.080
schedule that Dan has here

02:08:53.080 --> 02:08:55.080
and I believe was in the board

02:08:55.080 --> 02:08:57.080
packet is the latest

02:08:57.080 --> 02:08:59.080
through

02:08:59.080 --> 02:09:01.080
plant one coming online

02:09:01.080 --> 02:09:03.080
plant two coming offline

02:09:03.080 --> 02:09:05.080
and the improvements in

02:09:05.080 --> 02:09:07.080
plant two pumping

02:09:07.080 --> 02:09:09.080
coagulation, flacculation,

02:09:09.080 --> 02:09:11.080
some chem feeds

02:09:11.080 --> 02:09:13.080
and the real big piece is

02:09:13.080 --> 02:09:15.080
the filter rebuilds

02:09:15.080 --> 02:09:17.080
those are all fairly

02:09:17.080 --> 02:09:19.080
simple

02:09:19.080 --> 02:09:21.080
in terms of sequencing the pumping

02:09:21.080 --> 02:09:23.080
and piping is where it gets a bit

02:09:23.080 --> 02:09:25.080
more complex and that's what we've

02:09:25.080 --> 02:09:27.080
been working through with them

02:09:31.080 --> 02:09:33.080
any questions on those

02:09:39.080 --> 02:09:41.080
I guess on item

02:09:41.080 --> 02:09:43.080
68

02:09:43.080 --> 02:09:45.080
for the flow meter

02:09:45.080 --> 02:09:47.080
I assume the old one was ancient but

02:09:47.080 --> 02:09:49.080
do you have a sense of like what the

02:09:49.080 --> 02:09:51.080
warranty on the new one is?

02:09:52.080 --> 02:09:55.080
we can follow up with

02:09:55.080 --> 02:09:57.080
that the project has an overall

02:09:57.080 --> 02:09:59.080
in one year

02:09:59.080 --> 02:10:01.080
workmanship warranty

02:10:01.080 --> 02:10:03.080
typical

02:10:03.080 --> 02:10:05.080
warranties are

02:10:05.080 --> 02:10:07.080
I'm one year from startup

02:10:07.080 --> 02:10:11.080
on these types of devices

02:10:11.080 --> 02:10:13.080
the old meter

02:10:13.080 --> 02:10:15.080
the meter that we pulled from

02:10:15.080 --> 02:10:19.080
plant one was a

02:10:19.080 --> 02:10:21.080
very venturi flow meter so everything

02:10:21.080 --> 02:10:23.080
that we've been putting in the plant

02:10:23.080 --> 02:10:25.080
are you see it on the right that's called

02:10:25.080 --> 02:10:27.080
a magnetic flow meter

02:10:27.080 --> 02:10:29.080
it's the modern

02:10:29.080 --> 02:10:31.080
kind of

02:10:31.080 --> 02:10:33.080
larger style meter

02:10:33.080 --> 02:10:35.080
now what like you'd see in your home

02:10:35.080 --> 02:10:37.080
but what you have

02:10:37.080 --> 02:10:39.080
well in process

02:10:39.080 --> 02:10:41.080
piping right basically

02:10:41.080 --> 02:10:43.080
4-inch and up flow meters are this new

02:10:43.080 --> 02:10:45.080
style the old flow meters

02:10:45.080 --> 02:10:47.080
worked on like pressure loss

02:10:47.080 --> 02:10:49.080
they were accurate if they were

02:10:49.080 --> 02:10:51.080
maintained but folks who know how to

02:10:51.080 --> 02:10:53.080
maintain and calibrate them are

02:10:53.080 --> 02:10:55.080
are running out

02:10:55.080 --> 02:10:59.080
and it was just an antiquated system that

02:10:59.080 --> 02:11:01.080
failed when we started it up

02:11:01.080 --> 02:11:03.080
these meters are tested annually as well

02:11:03.080 --> 02:11:05.080
thank you

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any other questions

02:11:11.080 --> 02:11:15.080
if there are no questions

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well versus this

02:11:17.080 --> 02:11:19.080
this has all been kind of presented to us

02:11:19.080 --> 02:11:21.080
before

02:11:21.080 --> 02:11:23.080
at least it was in the common console

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packet a few months back

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correct as part of the

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yes yes so nothing here is on it

02:11:29.080 --> 02:11:31.080
really unexpected at this point we've

02:11:31.080 --> 02:11:33.080
been made aware of this in the past

02:11:33.080 --> 02:11:35.080
all right

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so I will entertain a motion

02:11:37.080 --> 02:11:39.080
on this item

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or I'll make the motion

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I move to approve the staff

02:11:43.080 --> 02:11:45.080
recommendation

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is there a second

02:11:47.080 --> 02:11:49.080
second by Alderman Miller

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any questions on the motion

02:11:51.080 --> 02:11:53.080
seeing none

02:11:53.080 --> 02:11:55.080
all those in favor say aye

02:11:55.080 --> 02:11:57.080
aye opposed

02:11:57.080 --> 02:11:59.080
the motion carries

02:11:59.080 --> 02:12:01.080
all right

02:12:01.080 --> 02:12:03.080
that should bring us to

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item 13

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review staff monthly reports

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okay

02:12:09.080 --> 02:12:11.080
it's been a long meeting so I won't

02:12:11.080 --> 02:12:13.080
spend too much time on these

02:12:13.080 --> 02:12:15.080
I'll answer questions

02:12:15.080 --> 02:12:17.080
if anyone has questions

02:12:17.080 --> 02:12:19.080
but some

02:12:19.080 --> 02:12:21.080
great work by

02:12:21.080 --> 02:12:23.080
our division heads again

02:12:23.080 --> 02:12:25.080
putting these in

02:12:25.080 --> 02:12:27.080
and

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and

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and hopefully

02:12:31.080 --> 02:12:33.080
you find them

02:12:33.080 --> 02:12:35.080
also to be informative

02:12:35.080 --> 02:12:37.080
under my report

02:12:37.080 --> 02:12:39.080
for public works I've

02:12:39.080 --> 02:12:41.080
I've listed out

02:12:41.080 --> 02:12:43.080
this this isn't

02:12:43.080 --> 02:12:45.080
entirely inclusive but a pretty good

02:12:45.080 --> 02:12:47.080
representation

02:12:47.080 --> 02:12:49.080
of the the number of projects that

02:12:49.080 --> 02:12:51.080
Roger and I are working on

02:12:51.080 --> 02:12:53.080
together

02:12:53.080 --> 02:12:55.080
and just a couple

02:12:55.080 --> 02:12:57.080
of highlights from it

02:12:57.080 --> 02:12:59.080
the on the second page

02:12:59.080 --> 02:13:01.080
the utility extensions

02:13:01.080 --> 02:13:03.080
on KW and Lake Drive

02:13:03.080 --> 02:13:05.080
actually

02:13:05.080 --> 02:13:08.080
it's the bottom of the first page in the top of the second page but

02:13:08.080 --> 02:13:10.080
there'll be two projects

02:13:10.080 --> 02:13:12.080
for which we'll have the bid opening

02:13:12.080 --> 02:13:14.080
this week on Thursday

02:13:14.080 --> 02:13:16.080
and then those will be brought to

02:13:16.080 --> 02:13:20.080
Board of Public Works at our next meeting which is September 8th

02:13:20.080 --> 02:13:22.080
and then

02:13:22.080 --> 02:13:24.080
skipping down a bit

02:13:24.080 --> 02:13:28.080
Pear Street landing and I'm guessing most of you have noticed that they've

02:13:28.080 --> 02:13:30.080
broke ground and

02:13:30.080 --> 02:13:32.080
and

02:13:32.080 --> 02:13:36.080
have the foundation

02:13:36.080 --> 02:13:38.080
completely dug but they're making great progress

02:13:38.080 --> 02:13:40.080
and the sidewalk is closed

02:13:40.080 --> 02:13:42.080
and the signage is up but they

02:13:42.080 --> 02:13:44.080
anticipate you know completion

02:13:44.080 --> 02:13:46.080
around this time next year

02:13:46.080 --> 02:13:48.080
and the

02:13:48.080 --> 02:13:50.080
police and fireblock redevelopment

02:13:50.080 --> 02:13:52.080
the closing on that property

02:13:52.080 --> 02:13:54.080
is scheduled for September 30th

02:13:54.080 --> 02:13:58.080
the highway

02:13:58.080 --> 02:14:00.080
just keeping back up to the

02:14:00.080 --> 02:14:02.080
top highway or

02:14:02.080 --> 02:14:04.080
on the first page highway 33

02:14:04.080 --> 02:14:06.080
that paving is still

02:14:06.080 --> 02:14:08.080
scheduled to be completed in September

02:14:08.080 --> 02:14:10.080
they're working on

02:14:10.080 --> 02:14:12.080
still on on curb and

02:14:12.080 --> 02:14:14.080
and the city is

02:14:14.080 --> 02:14:16.080
paying for

02:14:16.080 --> 02:14:18.080
two turn lanes to be installed

02:14:18.080 --> 02:14:20.080
one for the police and fire building

02:14:20.080 --> 02:14:22.080
and one for the Shannon farm

02:14:22.080 --> 02:14:24.080
across from

02:14:24.080 --> 02:14:26.080
Sweetwater Boulevard

02:14:26.080 --> 02:14:28.080
and speaking of the police and fire building

02:14:28.080 --> 02:14:30.080
that of course is now occupied

02:14:30.080 --> 02:14:32.080
by our police and fire departments

02:14:32.080 --> 02:14:34.080
and

02:14:34.080 --> 02:14:36.080
I expect

02:14:36.080 --> 02:14:38.080
close out of that project sometime in

02:14:38.080 --> 02:14:40.080
October and it's also when

02:14:40.080 --> 02:14:42.080
the

02:14:42.080 --> 02:14:44.080
when the grand opening will be

02:14:44.080 --> 02:14:46.080
or the I should say that

02:14:46.080 --> 02:14:50.080
ribbon cutting and open house

02:14:50.080 --> 02:14:54.080
I don't know if there's any questions about any of the projects there's a lot of them there

02:14:54.080 --> 02:14:58.080
number of them we touched on tonight

02:14:58.080 --> 02:15:00.080
just that the

02:15:00.080 --> 02:15:02.080
buildings that the fire and the police are in

02:15:02.080 --> 02:15:04.080
are they're hosting a sale of

02:15:04.080 --> 02:15:06.080
unused old equipment

02:15:06.080 --> 02:15:08.080
and so

02:15:08.080 --> 02:15:10.080
those buildings are

02:15:10.080 --> 02:15:12.080
not yet cleared out completely

02:15:12.080 --> 02:15:14.080
correct correct yeah

02:15:14.080 --> 02:15:16.080
do we know when that

02:15:16.080 --> 02:15:18.080
is going to happen that sale

02:15:18.080 --> 02:15:20.080
or is it completely online

02:15:20.080 --> 02:15:22.080
I think it is known but I don't

02:15:22.080 --> 02:15:24.080
I don't know I don't have that you know

02:15:24.080 --> 02:15:26.080
Joe DeBore is

02:15:26.080 --> 02:15:28.080
it's something like

02:15:28.080 --> 02:15:30.080
September 18-23

02:15:30.080 --> 02:15:32.080
or something and I think it is just

02:15:32.080 --> 02:15:34.080
online that you would bid is my

02:15:34.080 --> 02:15:36.080
understanding

02:15:36.080 --> 02:15:38.080
right so there's the opportunity

02:15:38.080 --> 02:15:40.080
for the public to

02:15:40.080 --> 02:15:44.080
I left over chairs, tables, desks

02:15:46.080 --> 02:15:48.080
so yeah

02:15:52.080 --> 02:15:54.080
any other questions about any

02:15:54.080 --> 02:15:56.080
of the items under

02:15:56.080 --> 02:15:58.080
reports and then Roger

02:15:58.080 --> 02:16:00.080
has a quick report

02:16:00.080 --> 02:16:02.080
you may have noticed there's

02:16:02.080 --> 02:16:04.080
some work going on for traffic

02:16:04.080 --> 02:16:06.080
control up by the

02:16:06.080 --> 02:16:08.080
exit 100 interchange

02:16:08.080 --> 02:16:10.080
yeah so

02:16:10.080 --> 02:16:12.080
you can see the lights are all strong

02:16:12.080 --> 02:16:14.080
and everything's powered

02:16:14.080 --> 02:16:16.080
the new lights are having

02:16:16.080 --> 02:16:18.080
an issue communicating with

02:16:18.080 --> 02:16:20.080
the old lights

02:16:20.080 --> 02:16:22.080
our lights

02:16:22.080 --> 02:16:24.080
the lights that we own

02:16:24.080 --> 02:16:26.080
so that they're working through

02:16:26.080 --> 02:16:28.080
that process and they expect in

02:16:28.080 --> 02:16:30.080
about a week so like September

02:16:30.080 --> 02:16:32.080
2nd September 3rd that

02:16:32.080 --> 02:16:34.080
that all those signals will be

02:16:34.080 --> 02:16:36.080
talking to each other and

02:16:36.080 --> 02:16:38.080
communicating and operational

02:16:42.080 --> 02:16:44.080
I presume we have a fairly old

02:16:44.080 --> 02:16:46.080
controller in there at this point

02:16:46.080 --> 02:16:48.080
say it again I assume our

02:16:48.080 --> 02:16:50.080
controller is fairly old by

02:16:50.080 --> 02:16:52.080
the standards of what they're doing

02:16:52.080 --> 02:16:54.080
that's the problem it's our

02:16:54.080 --> 02:16:56.080
controller and we actually do have

02:16:56.080 --> 02:16:58.080
plans to upgrade our

02:16:58.080 --> 02:17:00.080
signals but at this point in time

02:17:00.080 --> 02:17:02.080
I kind of want to see if we can

02:17:02.080 --> 02:17:04.080
fit that in during a little

02:17:04.080 --> 02:17:06.080
traffic period that

02:17:06.080 --> 02:17:08.080
Vantage has or if they know about

02:17:08.080 --> 02:17:10.080
or certainly not during a peak

02:17:10.080 --> 02:17:12.080
traffic problem so

02:17:12.080 --> 02:17:14.080
and then we'll change from

02:17:14.080 --> 02:17:16.080
induction loop detection on our

02:17:16.080 --> 02:17:18.080
signals to cameras

02:17:18.080 --> 02:17:20.080
not flock cameras just

02:17:20.080 --> 02:17:22.080
regular old cameras

02:17:22.080 --> 02:17:26.080
Alright any other questions?

02:17:26.080 --> 02:17:28.080
The railroad is closing a couple

02:17:28.080 --> 02:17:30.080
of the crossings for maintenance

02:17:30.080 --> 02:17:32.080
do we know exactly what

02:17:32.080 --> 02:17:34.080
they're doing there

02:17:34.080 --> 02:17:36.080
or because I saw

02:17:36.080 --> 02:17:38.080
maritime drive is closed

02:17:38.080 --> 02:17:40.080
this week Oakland is going to be

02:17:40.080 --> 02:17:42.080
closed next week

02:17:42.080 --> 02:17:44.080
I would assume it's the

02:17:44.080 --> 02:17:46.080
both the same for both but they

02:17:46.080 --> 02:17:48.080
said they're doing a full

02:17:48.080 --> 02:17:50.080
rebuild of the crossing

02:17:50.080 --> 02:17:52.080
because I had asked about

02:17:52.080 --> 02:17:54.080
bicycle passage on Oakland and

02:17:54.080 --> 02:17:56.080
they'll have to set up a detour

02:17:56.080 --> 02:17:58.080
route for the inner urban

02:17:58.080 --> 02:18:00.080
because of that but

02:18:00.080 --> 02:18:02.080
they're also planning

02:18:02.080 --> 02:18:04.080
work on the KW crossing

02:18:04.080 --> 02:18:06.080
up by Dixie Road

02:18:06.080 --> 02:18:08.080
so not in our jurisdiction

02:18:08.080 --> 02:18:10.080
but if you're driving KW

02:18:10.080 --> 02:18:12.080
that's another

02:18:12.080 --> 02:18:14.080
barrier I guess

02:18:14.080 --> 02:18:16.080
hard to imagine

02:18:16.080 --> 02:18:18.080
being proactive on a

02:18:18.080 --> 02:18:20.080
crossing

02:18:20.080 --> 02:18:22.080
they must be trying to get

02:18:22.080 --> 02:18:24.080
favor for a merger or

02:18:24.080 --> 02:18:26.080
something

02:18:26.080 --> 02:18:28.080
Alright anyone else have any

02:18:28.080 --> 02:18:30.080
questions?

02:18:30.080 --> 02:18:32.080
No

02:18:32.080 --> 02:18:34.080
then that will move us to

02:18:34.080 --> 02:18:36.080
Chairman's business I do not

02:18:36.080 --> 02:18:38.080
have any so item 15 members

02:18:38.080 --> 02:18:40.080
liaison's business

02:18:40.080 --> 02:18:42.080
Any members of any business?

02:18:42.080 --> 02:18:44.080
I'll just throw one other item

02:18:44.080 --> 02:18:46.080
out that we had a meeting with

02:18:46.080 --> 02:18:48.080
some vantage staff this morning

02:18:48.080 --> 02:18:50.080
and they plan on having

02:18:50.080 --> 02:18:52.080
a community events

02:18:52.080 --> 02:18:54.080
open house

02:18:54.080 --> 02:18:56.080
open house wasn't the term they

02:18:56.080 --> 02:18:58.080
used but on September 10th

02:18:58.080 --> 02:19:00.080
that inventors

02:19:00.080 --> 02:19:02.080
so unfortunately a lot of people

02:19:02.080 --> 02:19:04.080
left but hopefully there's people

02:19:04.080 --> 02:19:06.080
still listening online

02:19:06.080 --> 02:19:08.080
if you have questions for

02:19:08.080 --> 02:19:10.080
them

02:19:10.080 --> 02:19:12.080
if you have any questions

02:19:12.080 --> 02:19:14.080
you need to talk to them

02:19:14.080 --> 02:19:16.080
Alright any other members

02:19:16.080 --> 02:19:18.080
business? Seeing none

02:19:18.080 --> 02:19:20.080
our next meeting is

02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:22.080
September 8th 2026

02:19:22.080 --> 02:19:24.080
at 530

02:19:24.080 --> 02:19:26.080
I will be out of town

02:19:26.080 --> 02:19:28.080
so Nick will have to take

02:19:28.080 --> 02:19:30.080
charge and wrangle the meeting

02:19:30.080 --> 02:19:32.080
so I'll bring

02:19:32.080 --> 02:19:34.080
item 17 adjournment

02:19:34.080 --> 02:19:36.080
we have a motion to adjourn

02:19:36.080 --> 02:19:38.080
motion by

02:19:38.080 --> 02:19:40.080
Alderman Miller as 0-2

02:19:40.080 --> 02:19:42.080
2nd

02:19:42.080 --> 02:19:44.080
All those in favor say aye

02:19:44.080 --> 02:19:46.080
Opposed?

02:19:46.080 --> 02:19:48.080
We are adjourned