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To order the August 25th, 2026 meeting of the City of Port Washington Board of Public Works.

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Roll call, Mr. Polly is absent tonight, but we will welcome our new member,

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Ross Brooks, who is here for his first meeting. So congratulations on joining our board.

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They'll bring us on to item two, approve the minutes of the previous meetings.

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We have two sets of minutes and we will be approving them separately.

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So are there any questions or changes to the first set of minutes which would be for Wednesday,

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July 22nd meeting? Seeing none, is there a motion to approve?

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A motion to approve.

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We have a motion by Alderman Miller. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Second by Mr. Sundorff. All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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That brings us to the second set of minutes, which is for the Tuesday, July 27th, 2026 meeting.

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Are there any questions or comments on those minutes?

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If not, I will entertain a motion to approve them.

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Make a motion to approve.

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So we have the motion by Alderman Miller. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Second by Mr. Sundorff.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries.

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That brings us to item three, public comments and appearances.

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Please make sure if you're going to make a public comment or appearance that you state your name

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and address and that you sign in with your name and address.

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We will have 30 minutes for public comments and you will have three minutes.

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Are there anyone who has a public comment or appearance?

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My name is Dean Wigert. I'm at 3708 East Norport Drive in the town of Port.

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The fact sheet from the city dated August 7th states anticipated well usage for the construction

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trailer office area. I assume this is the same trailer area that was referred to as housing at

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the last public works meeting is 12,000 gallons per day, roughly what 35 residential homes use.

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What are they doing in the trailers to use that much water?

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The same fact sheet starts by explaining that nobody is or will be living in the construction

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trailer area. So if no one lives there, what is all the water for?

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I don't think it's unreasonable to ask since that we were told there wasn't going to be use of

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groundwater. The timeline specified on the well utilization plan from vantage says

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only for the duration of the construction or until the city gets water to Lake Drive.

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That timeframe is expected before the end of summer 2027. That seems pretty wide open.

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Who thought this was a good idea? A 15 billion dollar development that comes in starts construction.

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The land is now unrecognizable. The buildings are huge already visible from miles away and yet

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they still don't have the water that they need from the city and no one can say for certain

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when that will happen. They say the wells are for the construction phase, but what are they

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going to do when they need water for their cooling system? Who's going to guarantee that

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they have municipal water by then? As we all know, they don't have the electricity to run the place.

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The ATC was told to go back to the drawing board for the power lines needed. One of the

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planned routes was going north to Kelly McCounty where there isn't even a power plant yet.

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Who plans on powering this mammoth data center by running lines to a non-existent, yet to be

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built power plant? Why was none of this necessary infrastructure of water and electricity nailed

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down before now? This isn't somebody's bait shop on Lake Drive setting up a tent and running

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on an extension cord and a hose from the house. Are we expected to believe that this is the

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planning that goes into a 15 billion dollar data center? I guess the same person planned out the

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use of the roads, closing Highland, closing LL for a while, closing Lake Drive and then expecting

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all of us to put up with the dump trucks, the cement trucks, the workers vehicles in and out

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of the site while not creating complete havoc for local residents and our roads.

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What's really going on here? It seems so poorly conceived and realized I have no faith in anything

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vantage says or the city reports. The August 7 fact sheet states water meters on the wells

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will measure actual water usage and quote, vantage must provide monthly water usage totals to the

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city. How is that going to be reported, verified, documented? If someone doesn't nail that down,

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I'm afraid it's going to be like all the other planning from vantage except that they'll already

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have permission to use the wells. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comments or appearances?

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Tracy Finch, 1142 West Porphy Drive. I'm here to urge you to deny vantage data center requests

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for access to the wells. Because the people living around this project already carry more

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than their share of burden. For months, residents in the town have lived through relentless noise,

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shaking, dust, disruption. Families have watched their daily routines break apart. Parents have

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to comfort their children by the construction vibration. People who were left safe in their

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homes now feel like they're living in a construction zone. Granting vantage access to these wells

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would add yet another layer of instability to the neighborhood already pushed to its limits.

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Environmentally, the decision matters. When this land became part of the city of Fort Washington,

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those wells should have been sealed right away to protect the groundwater, integrity, and nearby

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wells that this close to residential foundations can influence groundwater pressure, soil movement,

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and long-term stability. These are not theoretical risks. They are real environmental impacts that

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fall directly on the families who live just outside from the site. Inventage has alternatives. They

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can route through water from the south end of their property to the north end without touching

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the wells near homes. This is a design challenge that they can solve internally. Residents should

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not be asked to absorb environmental risks simply because vantage wants the easiest option.

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But accountability issues just says important. Vantage has already used these wells without a

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permit, acting first and expecting forgiveness later. That is not how responsible partners behave.

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When a company repeatedly ignores process, the consequences land on the people living next to

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them. The board has a duty to protect the residents from the pattern. Tonight you have a choice. You

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can add to the strain of residents already living under. Or you can draw a clear line that

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their well-being comes first. Denying this permit is only the decision that protects families,

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protects groundwater, and protects stability of this neighborhood.

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All right. Thank you. Any additional public comments or appearances?

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Good evening. My name is Catherine Gardner. I live at 3689 East Northport Drive in the town

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of Fort Washington. My comments are related to the Vantage well permit application.

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I do not know whether the water use requested on this application will damage the water supply.

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My town neighbors and I depend on. What I do know is Vantage has a consistent pattern

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of stretching the limits of starting with a reasonable sounding request and then returning

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with greater demands and offering token donations when the natural consequences of a hyperscale

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construction project play out. Throughout this discussion I well usage we hear much the same

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language as we've heard in the past referring to plans and intentions, not commitments.

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Vantage's town neighbors already bear a disproportionate share of the burden

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from this city project. So tonight I'm asking you board members to be good neighbors.

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Please view the decisions you make as if what's at stake were your investment in your household

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well, your property values, and the availability and the quality of the water your family drinks.

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Because that's what's at stake for those of us in the town who are the unwilling and unhappy

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neighbors of this city business. I urge you to put responsible and enforceable limits on the

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amount and length of water use to establish frequent and effective monitoring reporting and

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inspection requirements to define meaningful penalties for violations and to hold firm

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when Vantage comes back to you for more. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any additional?

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Kim Tydrick, town of Port Washington. Please give your address.

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Town of Port Washington. I'm not a resident. You guys tell me that all the time.

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The requirement is that you have to give your street address.

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You guys all have it already. It's 4, 4, 6, 5, Wilder's Way.

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Thank you.

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I've been here before. I've been to the Common Council meetings. I keep harping on the same things.

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Today is about the wells. So let's start with the fact that the mayor, the city, and the DNR

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have no credibility anymore. After skipping the environmental impact statement that was

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required by state law and waived by whomever at Ted Nitsky's request and Vantage's behest,

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there is no credibility here. So when you people speak to us, we have no reason to believe you

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anymore. When the mayor speaks to us, there's absolutely no reason to believe them. When Vantage

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says that they're going to be good neighbors, there's been not one iota of good neighbor.

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So I just want to remind each and every one of you here

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that we as town of Port residents will be holding the city liable

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when something happens to our wells. Water is a basic building block. It is the most basic thing

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that you need to survive. So you're actually affecting the basic building blocks of our lives

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by playing with the water here. As some of these other people have said, you have already given them

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water. They just have to run a bigger hose. If I need water at the back of my property,

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I run a hose. They could be using the trucks from the fountains or the, excuse me, the

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hydrants in the city like they've been doing in the past. Why all of a sudden

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is groundwater in play when it never was at the beginning. We were promised that it would never

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be a part of this whole situation. There is nothing that they have said that they have stuck to as far

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as our neighbors. They are not good neighbors. They don't listen to us. They don't respond to our

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questions. Neither does the city. The specialized website hasn't, I've never gotten an answer to any

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questions or complaints that I've sent there. We still don't have answers as far as we know

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what chemicals are going to be used in this closed loop system. What happens when there's a leak?

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What kind of containment is there? What happens for recycling when they have to recharge the

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closed loop? Still so many unanswered questions. And I honestly don't think that any of you are

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prepared to answer those questions or take steps to approve anything until you have these answers.

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So we're asking you once again to pay attention, to think for yourselves,

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don't just be vantiges, shills, and to do some research and do what's right for people.

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Okay. Thank you. Anyone else have a public comment or appearance?

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Hi. I just, Barb Wooten, 4876 Upper Forest Beach Road, town of Port. I just have a question

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about the roads, and I don't know if this is the right form, but when

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vantiges acquired the property of the roads and they have shut down Highland Road, which is, I guess,

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part of their property now, I don't understand why all the trucks have to go all the way around

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up Lake Drive or up LL and KW and go across into the various little inlets. Why can't they just use

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their Highland Road, which would cut down on the dust, the rocks, the broken windshields, the rocks.

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I mean, to me, you know, that's their road. They could route all of those gigantic trucks

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through there, and it would make it a lot better for the residents. And that is just the comment

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I wanted to make for people to think about. So thank you very much.

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Great. Thank you. Are there any other public comments?

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Hi, Chris Karnish. Make sure you sign in on it. Okay, thanks.

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878 Weiler's Way, Port Washington. I also wanted to address the water situation.

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So they put in, you're calling it trailer city, like it's really a cute thing.

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Why they put it in when they didn't have any water.

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If they weren't going to get water for a year, why would they build their trailer city

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in a place where there's no water for them to access? Now they want to tap into the wells,

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which is going to affect my wells. I guess I would have encouraged the city to have them,

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if they need water, truck it in like they're going to truck out their sewage.

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There's absolutely no reason for them to use our aquifer for their trailer city.

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And if you approve them doing this, okay, now you get up to Lake Drive and their next phase

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is to go up to Dixie Road in east of Highway LL. Are you going to continue to allow them to

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just keep tapping into more and more and more wells? Because they won't have water

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up to Dixie Road, and they won't have water east of Highway LL, unless they use wells or

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truck their water in. So please keep that under consideration. It makes no sense for them to tap

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into our aquifer for their poor planning of where they were going to put their trailers.

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Thank you.

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Great. Thank you. Are there any other public comments or appearances?

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I'm Anna Mueller for 488 Lilac Lane, town of Fort Washington.

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I live in the town of Fort Washington. My house is a half mile from the data center.

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I live in a subdivision of over 30 houses located on the east side of the data center.

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Every single house relies on well water from the aquifer.

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Since construction started, we have been forgotten, ignored, and abused,

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having to deal with the brunt of your decisions on a daily basis.

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The very lack of planning and practical logistics in every stage of this construction process is

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an every day reminder of your incompetence and lack of control over vantage.

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Regarding our water, we have been advised over and over by experts in the industry to get baseline

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water testing now. They started $1,000 for comprehensive and accurate testing, and that

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can be over $2,500. This is entirely status shot as we have no idea what chemicals will be

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introduced into the aquifer by vast land displacement and construction chemicals

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leaching. This is concerning and alarming as mercury will be leached from all the cement,

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not only in the aquifer, but the runoff in our tributaries and beloved lake.

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Where was the impact study? Oh, yeah. It was waived for van itself reporting.

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We have been told repeatedly that the data center would use municipal water

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which is why you have millions of dollars at 7% interest

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so that we would be it would be metered and charged on a daily basis. We thought we were

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potentially free from fear of having lowered water pressure that will effectively kill our

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appliances and plumbing or lose water completely due to a lowered aquifer deaths. 17 home use wells

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were supposed to have been permanently capped on the job site. Water is now being brought in by

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service water trucks that hold 4,000 gallons to tamper dust clean equipment and fill the holding

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tanks you dug in February for office use. Why are you allowing advantage to jeopardize

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another facet of the quality of our lives by allowing them free unmetered access to our aquifer

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that we rely on? They said they need 12,000 gallons a day. That's three trucks crossing over

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43 to latch on to one of their immediate hydrants and then the city makes some money.

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To allow advantage to access any well unmetered is a total betrayal and beyond acceptable.

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We will not stop with public comments. Everything you do since I'm only a half mile away from the

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data center is monitored and I will amplify it all over the state everywhere I can to tell

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them what we are being abused and neglected and ignored and I will use my voice as much as I can

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to make sure that everything they do is recorded. Okay thank you. Are there any other public comments

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appearances? No seeing none then we will move on to item 4. Consideration and possible action

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on well permits for the data center. Okay I will kick it off and then we also of course have Roger

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Stromer, city engineer can answer any technical questions and our city attorney is here to answer

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any legal questions regarding the permitted needs wells and so in your packet you have the

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permits that have been granted by the DNR for the private wells that we're speaking of on

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the vantage property this evening and so what staff did in analyzing the well applications that we

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received are or to essentially review them in line with our city code which is guided by chapter

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4.15 of the municipal code so in paragraph B so that's the I guess the last attachment to

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this information packet talking about private wells. The first requirement is that a private

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well existed and was in operation before May 19th 2023 and the three wells for which we have

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permit applications all were in operation before that date. Prior to the expiration of the then

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current permit property owner shall file a written application on a form supplied and filed by

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that with the director of public works that was received. The common counsel upon the recommendation

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of the Board of Public Works may grant such private well operation permit and so that's

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what we're discussing here tonight and such permit shall be for a term of five years throughout

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which period the private well and pump shall comply with following conditions.

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Well and pump shall meet all requirements for well construction and pump installation under NR 812

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Wisconsin administrative code and you'll see on Roger's cover memo the the answer to that is

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yes they have that requirement. A well constructors report relating to the private well

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and pump shall be on file with the Department of Natural Resources or certification of approval

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of the private well and pump has been issued by the Department of Natural Resources so

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that is also a yes the Department of Natural Resources has

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has the well constructors report. The existing private well shall have a history of producing

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safe water and presently produces bacteriologically safe water is evidence by water sample analyzed

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by a certified laboratory so those those analyses were conducted by our own water utility lab

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and have passed their bacteriological tests. No physical connection shall exist between the

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piping of the public water system and the existing private well that is also true.

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Fees for the treatment of water from an existing private well that is are likely to be discharged

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to a public sewer shall be determined based upon the fees established by this ordinance and so

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that again is is true the the discharge of sewage after usage of the water is is being

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hauled down to the wastewater plant and they are are to the applicable fees

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that are established by other chapters in our municipal code.

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And then lastly section F now with standard provisions of this subsection B the owner of

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a property which includes any building use for human habitation and served by an existing private

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well shall comply with the requirement. Chapter 342-1 of this code relating to compulsory

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connection to public water mains use of public water services penalties for failure to comply

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after notice and post connection compliance and so what that is saying is once city water is

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is constructed to this property that they are required by our city code to make that connection.

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There are currently plans out forbid that will be opened on Thursday for construction of that

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water main serving that property which is anticipated to be completed sometime next summer and so at

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that time when the waters brought constructed out to Lake Drive they would be required to connect

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to that water and they would be required to disconnect the well. So they would they would

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still have the permit is still good for five years so if they wanted to use it for watering

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the lawn or something like that they could but they would not be allowed to use it for any

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service for a building of human habitation once water was brought to that property they have

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vantage has told us that their intent is to cap the wells upon receiving the water next year.

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So if there are any questions the staff recommendation is to

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approve is to recommend approval of the permits to the common council.

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I guess so we do have meters on them on these wells now right they just the

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in our or do we have our own well they are required to to report their usage based on the

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meters that are on the wells that they and they installed they reported to the city or just the

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in our they are required to they're recorded they are required by the permit to sorry by the DNR

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permit to report it to the state annually. The city's permit is not does not have that stipulation.

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Sorry go ahead I'm just going to ask do we have any data past metering data as far as how much

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water they've been using or currently using right now.

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All right we do have some representatives from Vantage here with us tonight I don't know if you

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do have the answer to that question you can step up to the microphone.

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Good evening the two wells that are in question one at one three seven four lake drive well

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since November of 2025 that well has been used for six thousand gallons

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the second well which is located at one two three four lake drive has used two thousand four hundred

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and twenty one gallons since November 25th 2025 and that is through six thirty of twenty six

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so that is the current usage of those two wells which will be connected together serving

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the system that will be feeding trailer city.

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And do you anticipate that going up to 12,000 gallons a day or is that's that's like the max.

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That is a permit code requirement and when you look at the code as far as an office facility that is

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engineered for 20 gallons per person per day we are currently well under the allowed it a

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lot of amount of people in the trailer. Complex so we are well shy of 12,000 gallons a day

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to fill the system we have transported in through pool water tank systems through

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brinkman and prairie transportation 29,000 gallons to partially fill the system the other

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half came from the city of Port Washington through the hydrant south at 24,000 gallons

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so the system is now complete and and hydro statically tested so we are ready to turn it on

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when granted permission. Do you know how many wells have been abandoned south of lake drive

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just in the general instruction area or footprint of the site from my understanding an approximation

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of about 20 wells have been kept.

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So I'd like to offer an amendment if that's okay. There's no motion on the board to offer an

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amendment to so okay you you could make a motion if you if you so desired.

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Question so this is more for our city attorney so we have an agreement with

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vantage that we would supply them water should we fail to deny their well grant which may be

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moot because they really don't need our permission they have the DNR's permission or am I wrong

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about that? The the wells really fall under the DNR's authority and the DNR has granted them

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authority to use those wells you're correct in that in the development agreement we have agreed

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to provide water to the site if the city were to deny the permits at this point it's arguable

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whether or not vantage would still be permitted to use those wells given that the DNR's already

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granted them permission. So it's an open-ended question but I think that certainly it's

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I think that it's likely that they would already have essentially they're already

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granted permission to use those wells. And therefore we would be in default of our

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agreement that we develop an agreement. That's correct because essentially we would be denying

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something that the DNR has authority over it which we really don't have the authority to do.

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Thank you and they then could sue us. Correct we would be liable for any any damages.

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For city taxpayers that's not yay.

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Can you clarify so my understanding is the DNR issues the well permits this permit is

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mostly to avoid cross-contamination from a residence or a property that's tied into a well

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and city sewer and water. Right cross-connections yeah and we don't have to worry about that

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because there's no city water there.

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As far as the monitoring goes somebody had a question about the city

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so a vantage will report to the DNR annually but the city can request that we get metering data on

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a monthly basis. And how is that going to be handled and what if it is over?

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To answer the I guess can we question legally yes we are able to require additional

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requirements by vantage such as requiring monthly updates on the meter any requirements would have

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to be not arbitrary and reasonably related to the purpose of it which is the permit.

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So you'd have to keep that in mind that any requirements would be but that is

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legally possible and that Rob handled logistical questions.

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Excuse me sir. Excuse me sir. You are not member of the board. Thank you.

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So yes if that were if that were a recommendation from the Board of Public Works to the Common

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Council it would be legal and reasonable to do so and we have spoken with the advantage and they

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are willing of course to provide that information on a monthly basis and if we need to go out there

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and check the meters themselves we have the ability to do that as well.

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I have one final question so should the vantage fail to be under the minimums as

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required by DNR. They would be the official agency that would be the one that would

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issue a citation or any other financial or liability they would be the one not the city.

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The city would have no ability to in essence punish them for violating the terms of the well.

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That's more or less correct since the DNR is the permitting agency they would be the

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enforcement authority here theoretically are the city's code requires that all well is permitted

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abide by the DNR's administrative code so theoretically they would be in violation of the city code

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by violating the DNR's rules and procedures as far as the well goes but the DNR's enforcement

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mechanism would be much more stringent than the cities would be on this on this particular topic.

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Any other questions or discussion?

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So I think this might be for you. So of the 20 or so wells that you've already abandoned in the

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area do you have any idea how many gallons per day on average those wells were pumping?

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I do not have that data in front of me as far as what the usage were

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through those wells at the time that they were active.

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I'll just add on to that those those wells are rated 10 to 20 gallons per minute each I

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doubt any of them was running 24 7 but um so like that might give you an estimate of how much.

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As stated earlier I would guess somewhere on each of them is probably three to 500 gallons a day.

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Yeah for domestic use assuming that they're not using them for

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there's irrigation of the lawn or anything else. Yeah if they had farming operations with those

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wells then that would be all right any other questions or discussion?

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If not I will entertain a motion on this matter.

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I'd like to make a motion to amend the permit term to 18 months.

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So while you're free to make any motion you so choose under city code the city the Board of

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Public Works and Common Council does not have authority to issue a permit well or well permit

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excuse me for any period other than five years. We can't issue it for 10 years we can't issue it

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for one year. City's code strictly limits that the issuance of a well permit is for a period of

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precisely five years. All right so we have a motion on the floor unless you want to amend that.

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I guess I won't make that motion then.

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I withdraw my motion. All right so if there's any other questions or comments otherwise I will

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entertain a motion on this matter.

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Well I will make I move to recommend the come to the Common Council approval of the well operating

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permits. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second by Mr. Brooks. Is there any discussion on the

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motion? Seeing none all those in favor say aye aye opposed. We have one no motion carries.

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All right that moves us to item five consideration and possible action on awarding

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twenty twenty six dash two sidewalk maintenance project.

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Roger.

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All right we have we bid out our our sidewalk project for this year if you'll recall we had

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one earlier this year which was really carry over from twenty five.

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Anyway we received two bids on this project both of them are under our budget they they pretty

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much straddled our our estimate for the work. The little bidder is somebody we have not worked

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with before. I called several the references they two of them responded back to me with very good

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references. The remainder I did not the other two did not I did not hear back from.

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Anyways with with that in mind as as

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little bidder they they are able to provide a bid bond they'll be required to provide

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performance and payment bonds with with contract execution with insurance

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and their recommendations I recommend awarding the project.

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All right your question no I just you you feel good about this.

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I guess maybe I shouldn't ask it that way.

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It's a little bit and we that's what we should do.

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Yes I am.

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There's no reason.

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There are no bidder to our our our city here too and have not worked otherwise in

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Ozarki County to my knowledge but I see no reason to reject them that one

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exposes to a liability.

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Okay.

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Yeah this won't be the first time we've had someone who's not worked in Port Washington or even Ozarki

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County before and with okay not kind of wood we've never had a problem.

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Okay thank you.

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You have you have spoken with other communities who have used them in the past and gotten their

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recommendation correct.

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Yes like yeah I'm actually very very high praise.

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Okay all right any other questions or discussion.

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Otherwise we'll entertain a motion on this item.

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I'll move to approve the staff recommendation.

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We have a motion by Mr.

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Sudendorf is there a second?

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I'll second.

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Second by Alderman Miller.

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Any questions on the motion?

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Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries.

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That brings us to item six consideration and possible action to install bollards around the

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water treatment plant.

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Dan.

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I'm in a picture quick kick it off before Dan speaks so so some of you on the board I know

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we have some new members may recall and honestly I don't know if it was a full two years ago

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between a year and two ago we had approved at this board an agreement with the essentially

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the paint on port people to to use their services for painting murals and creating

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sculptures at the water utility.

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We did this essentially before the building was designed so I guess it's more than two years

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ago because at the time of design I think our objective was to make sure that we had an attractive

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building that was worthy of its location on Lake Michigan.

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In my opinion for building a building that has no windows because it's a tank.

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I would say that it has turned out to be a fairly attractive building and so we are no longer

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pursuing murals on the building at this time.

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That's not to say there couldn't be something in the future but we are not pursuing that.

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And we are not pursuing sculpture artwork around the building rather than is recommending the use

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of essentially what are our planters that he will that he will maintain year round and try to keep

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the grounds attractive and his intention is to essentially beautify the area and but also

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and the intended end result of protecting our investment from a vehicle either

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errantly or intentionally driving up over the curb.

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So with that I think I've stalled enough.

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It's all set up for you but yep thanks Rob.

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These are photos of existing planters that we're looking to purchase that have been purchased and

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placed in other scenarios although the color would be different but this is the 4x4

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square planter that we would like to put on the terrace ways on the west side of the building

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in the south side by the public parking spaces and then the rectangular planters would go against

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the west and south portions of the building.

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Here's kind of an overview of where each would go.

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The purpose of the larger planters on the south side would be to block any potential car from

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going over the curb and straight into the tank.

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So just for reference this giant rectangular structure is the new Clearwell.

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So this entire structure is our finished water tank and then obviously this is

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North Lake Street and then the public parking in Newport Shores.

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So because we have had vehicles before this was all built we have had vehicles skip the curb and

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end up in this property before. We really would like to protect this corner and this tank.

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So putting some large concrete planters and being able to beautify the area

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throughout the seasons to us would be the best best way forward.

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So what we would like to do is purchase the actual concrete planters and they would be delivered.

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Staff would unload the planters with our machinery and then staff would be responsible for

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installing the planters just similar to the flower planters downtown.

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We would have like a four foot concrete base that we would attach each planter to.

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So if something did hit the impact wouldn't let the vehicle go through it.

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So staff would take care of all the installation hopefully by winter this year.

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We are in the process of filling our tank right now for testing and hopefully within the next

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month or so we will be using this tank. So it really is important to us to have this protected

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as soon as possible.

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So would we be working with park and rec to have it planted?

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As far as like planting flowers or are you thinking large trees in there or what was your

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thought about what objects would be in those? I would say in the short term we would go with

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talking with park and rec and they seem to have very lovely flowers put together so we'd work

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with them and then it'd be open for you know whatever we thought down the road to change.

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And during the winter they would just be empty or would you leave again up to them to think

425
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,840
it's similar to yeah similar to downtown how they kind of change with the seasons is what we would

426
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,240
want to go to. It is considered really windier down there by us so we'd have to keep that in mind.

427
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,200
And they don't the way you have them situated on the photo though they do seem like a car could

428
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,360
get through the middle of them. They'll be measured out so they're exactly yeah so

429
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:20,000
this is just a rough picture just to show you guys kind of what we're looking at yep okay

430
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,640
and what's the thing on the corner is that a down here yeah that green thing that's a small

431
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:32,480
electrical box there is a light pole over right here too that X that will act as a a block too

432
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,280
a hindrance yep okay thank you.

433
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,360
So for the planters by the street they're 48 by 48 inch planters how wide is the

434
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,560
distance between the back of curb and the sidewalk roughly there.

435
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,720
I'd be about 12 to 18 inches.

436
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Sorry say that again.

437
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,400
In feet how wide how wide is it currently from the back of

438
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,880
or from the face or whichever this year I'm on lake they're this wider.

439
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,000
This.

440
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Roger says nine feet.

441
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,360
Oh right here this yeah this is about six feet.

442
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Okay so we're yeah okay yeah because I was just considering lateral clearance concerns

443
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,520
in the F 48 by 48 fits in.

444
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Okay I just I figured it would be tight yep yep I just want to point at this out and I've

445
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,560
said this many times we are one of the only water plants around that is not fenced.

446
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,240
So protection is needed.

447
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:42,960
And like in the pictures you'd be putting trees in the 48 by 48 ones.

448
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,520
That's open for discussion but no not right away we would potentially look at

449
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,640
planting trees between each planter on the south side and potentially on the west side down the road.

450
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Any other questions comments?

451
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Otherwise oh go ahead I guess you guys can figure it out but 48 by 48 without a tree or

452
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:23,600
something substantial and it seems like a a a big bed to fill with flowers or other stuff but

453
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,640
I trust you guys will do a nice job.

454
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,600
John yeah John and we'll be a great lead.

455
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,120
All right any other questions comments on this item?

456
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,440
If not I will entertain a motion on this item.

457
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,400
I move to approve this staff recommendation.

458
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
We have a motion by Alderman Beaster is there a second?

459
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,000
I'll second.

460
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,200
I can buy Alderman Miller.

461
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,960
Any questions on the motion?

462
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,880
Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

463
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Aye.

464
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,880
Opposed?

465
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,760
Motion carries.

466
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,480
That brings us to

467
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:10,720
that brings us to item 7 presentation on Aqua Hawk software to enable customer login to track

468
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,880
and or receive alerts of water usage.

469
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,800
This is a discussion only item.

470
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,480
Okay so this has been a long time coming.

471
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:30,160
Back in November of 2025 we received approval from GGF and then this board to purchase the

472
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,720
Aqua Hawk system for our customer customer portal to monitor water usage.

473
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:45,040
The website is now live and we have the link on our web page so this is kind of our kickoff

474
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:50,000
just to get it out to the public that we are able to sign up.

475
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,160
My intent here is just to go over some basics.

476
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:00,000
I plan on taking this presentation as well to the council and then we will have other

477
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,480
information on the website as far as how to's and potentially a video that could be

478
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,160
linked to our website is also available on potentially YouTube.

479
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:19,360
So as of right now the best probably easiest way to get to the customer portal is to go

480
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,280
to the city website and then there's two ways but this is the way I'm going to show you right

481
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:34,400
now is going to the water utility page and then going to the top left tab monitor water usage

482
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,280
Aqua Hawk and then you can click on the Aqua Hawk for Cityport Washington water utility link

483
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,160
once you do that that takes you to the actual customer facing portal.

484
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:54,480
So this portal has just the basic information what Aqua Hawk offers to each customer.

485
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,800
Obviously in the top left we want to show that this is free so this doesn't cost

486
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,840
well this doesn't cost customers anything to sign up for we are paying for the service.

487
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:14,880
And then this is also the same portal you're going to want to go to if you do register and

488
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:21,840
then you want to sign in otherwise some people can bookmark this so they can go right to this

489
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:28,080
actual webpage. So if you're going to register you're going to click on the green register tab

490
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:35,200
on the right here and that's going to take you to this page. To register you're going to need

491
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:42,080
a valid email address password your first and last name phone number your mailing address and then

492
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:49,040
you can click how you want to be contacted if you set up any alerts with this system so you can

493
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:58,320
get an email text message or cell phone or home phone. Once you register you'll see that the

494
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:07,840
registration was successful then it will prompt you back to the beginning main page that's where

495
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:14,960
you'll sign in with your email username and then the password you created. Once you do that then

496
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,960
add account is going to pop up so this is where it's specific to you as a customer.

497
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,160
Every customer has their own account number that account number can be found on your utility bill

498
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,000
on the top right corner of the bill the same with your account name.

499
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,240
So the account number and account name and the street and the sorry the service address has to

500
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,640
be entered in here exactly it is appears in the billing system because that's how it's been entered

501
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:48,400
into the program. So there could possibly be questions of can I login and try to see somebody

502
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,760
else's home usage you definitely would not be able to do that because you don't have their account

503
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:05,440
number. Once you do that you'll be logged in this is what the basically the customer page looks like

504
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,160
in the top left you'll see that we're using the senior center as an example

505
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:18,080
but this would be specific to your address or account. In the middle you're going to see a date

506
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:24,560
says July 1st 2026 to August 31st that is the billing period and then today is bill

507
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,960
today is day 56 of 62 for this billing period. You'll see that the current balance is zero

508
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,480
the bill has been paid if this was after a billing period and bills have been issued you would see

509
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,960
a dollar amount for the bill for the actual bill issued right below it is an estimated bill amount

510
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,480
and what that does it takes the water usage from July 1st to August 31st and estimates what the

511
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,280
bill would be off of the usage for the first 56 days so tomorrow might be something different

512
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:02,720
if you use more or less water. This is a 30 day snapshot you can zoom in if you want to do 24

513
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:12,240
hours 48 72 or if you want to zoom out you can go 45 or a full year. This is what a 24 hour day

514
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:19,760
would look like on the bottom of the the graph is times on the right side of the graph would be

515
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:28,000
gallons so if you were to look at four o'clock which is a very right bar it's estimated that 15

516
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:37,200
gallons were used at four o'clock so we read and see CF cubic feet so one cubic foot is 7.48 gallons

517
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:43,920
so that's how the meters turn over so every seven gallons and 48 7.48 gallons the meter reads

518
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:53,360
one so two CFs would be 15 gallons so that's why you're seeing 15 intervals 7 15

519
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:05,600
as I said this estimates the bill so you can click on the estimate bill and then this little graph

520
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:15,120
pops up it shows you the base charges for say water public fire protection sewer and then

521
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:22,480
your usage so how many gallons you use then is what determines what the water use and sewer use

522
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:33,600
so that's how you get your total bill. So a threshold an alert right you can see it says my

523
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:39,200
thresholds if you click that this is where you have the opportunity to get alerted set your

524
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,280
custom alerts on either a dollar amount for your bill if you want to be alerted say you're a larger

525
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,440
user and you want to be alerted when your bill potentially could reach $500 you could type in

526
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:59,200
$500 and it would then send you however you clicked get preferenced notified it would send you an

527
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:06,000
email or a text that your bill is approaching the $500 limit if you want to be notified about

528
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:13,600
gallons used per hour or per day or per month the the specific amount you would then be alerted so

529
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:20,160
underwater use thresholds say you wanted to you wanted to know if you used 500 gallons in a day

530
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,920
so you type in 500 and hit apply and then if your household went over 500 gallons you would

531
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:33,520
receive a text or an email if you wanted to use it to determine if you left like a hose on outside

532
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:42,400
and do a duration you could do one gallon for eight hours straight at the bottom here that would

533
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,760
give you an alert after eight hours if water had been flowing through the meter so that kind of

534
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,800
helps you determine if something was left on I foresee that one being used the most by people

535
00:55:53,680 --> 00:56:00,000
but again it's up to you however you want to use this to be alerted or if you just want to log in

536
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:08,000
to see where your water is at for the billing period it's the water you said when you sign in

537
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:15,600
historical data or is it only going forward from the moment you sign in it is current to your

538
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:23,680
actual login so the meter is read four times a day every six hours so if you log in just past

539
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,600
the six one of the reads you'll get that exact usage up to that time

540
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,040
but it won't give me last month's billing cycle you can

541
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:54,640
search as my next slide you can you can search specific dates so for instance it's I don't know

542
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:02,160
it's hard to read on here but I entered July 1st 2026 and then today because we can't go in the

543
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:08,160
future I can specifically search those dates so if I wanted to search from January to February

544
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:14,880
I would type in here and then it could then it would export a file showing you your hourly usage

545
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:24,400
for that two month period if you wanted so yeah so if you can export through excel into a nice

546
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:35,200
spreadsheet where it breaks it down hour by hour if wanted for landlords or people who own multiple

547
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:42,000
houses you can register more than one accounts that you have on your singular login so if you

548
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:48,160
manage multiple properties you would click the register accounts button and then this just like

549
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,960
how you started it you would add your account count name and service address exactly how

550
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:01,440
it's on the bill and then you can toggle between each account at your login so this

551
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,000
will be beneficial to the people who own multiple properties in the city to check in on multiple

552
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,320
accounts without having to log in multiple times

553
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:11,200
oops

554
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:20,800
also on the main page there is a link if you click the pay online it takes you to the bsna

555
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,560
home page to pay water bills online if you so choose

556
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:35,200
and that's it so the very top is the actual link port w i dot aqua hawk dot us slash login

557
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:44,560
and like I said you can save that specific link as a browser as a favorite on your browser or

558
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,240
just continue to go through the city website to to get into it

559
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:57,600
does the payment page have a feature where you can set up auto pay um

560
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:07,040
through bsna you would have to do auto pay so the aqua hawk is just linking you to the bsna site

561
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:14,960
good say i use auto pay so it works um just note that if you use credit card it does charge you

562
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,320
an extra fee with it so it prefers you a bank link to it

563
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,960
just curious it says 95 percent of the residential meters have been changed out

564
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,360
what are the remaining five percent that just places that are difficult to get to and

565
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,000
in the nicest way yes so we've had multiple attempts to

566
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:44,880
enter these homes the remaining homes some are empty some have been sold and abandoned

567
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:53,120
not abandoned but are have been empty and then some just don't answer our letters or door hangers

568
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,760
but we are relentless and we are going to get everyone

569
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:08,000
so um since the system is now live what percentage of customers do we expect to register

570
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,840
and how we measure whether or not aqua hawk is providing enough benefit to justify fourteen

571
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:22,160
thousand dollars annually yes so it's going to be hard to tell at first how many customers will sign

572
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:28,480
up um there's going to be a large portion of the customers who don't know this exists so

573
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,560
it's really on us to get this out there to everybody so that's why i'm going to do my best to

574
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:40,320
promote this for the next year um and really push it we're going to get some great tools on the

575
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:46,480
website so people can sign up as easy as possible once they realize how easy and good it is um

576
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:54,160
if they choose to use it past then that'll be on them um the percentage uh we will work with

577
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,880
aqua hawk they do provide numbers so we can get into the account data to see you know

578
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,840
what percent has actually signed up and is using it

579
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,760
and then um do we have an estimate of how much water loss or property damage could potentially

580
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:17,760
be prevented because of the system i can't give an actual gallon amount right but i can tell you that

581
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:30,000
um we have a a weekly um spreadsheet that gets delivered to kim that shows potential leaks and

582
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:39,440
high usage amounts um through our census system and we've had multiple multiple people not know

583
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:46,800
that they had a toilet running or left the hose open and we catch that usage in in a seven-day period

584
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,320
sometimes they catch it you know and you get five days of high usage and we contact them and

585
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:58,080
they're like oh i left a hose on we we know okay but this gives the customer almost you know real

586
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:06,640
time abilities to catch their own usage sure sure lastly will you be very reporting back to the board

587
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:13,520
your success rate i guess that wasn't really my last question yeah go ahead um yeah no the plan

588
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,160
is to to come back after six months okay to give a number and then obviously we'll do a year just

589
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,680
to show you know where we're at um but that also will give us the opportunity to promote it more

590
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,080
are you going to go to the library like and one of the other that is a very good uh suggestion

591
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:37,360
yeah because lots of people are computer illiterate and this would benefit for them yep and the

592
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:43,760
goal would be to work with tom and reach out to him and see you know what methods work best thank you

593
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:56,640
any other questions no all right thank you then we'll move on to item eight consideration and

594
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,440
possible action on the proposed valley creek street crossings and bridge treatments

595
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,840
and

596
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:28,080
oh

597
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:35,080
that we're trying to get a

598
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,080
little bit of guidance on

599
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,080
of course there's three stream

600
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,080
crossings for Valley Creek.

601
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,080
They go across Northport and

602
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080
Hales Trail and Lake Street.

603
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,080
And we touched on briefly in

604
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,080
the last six months what those

605
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:02,080
bridges would look like.

606
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,080
So there's two things we want to

607
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,080
talk about today what the bridges

608
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,080
will look like and what the

609
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,080
and what the street over the top

610
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,080
of the bridges will look like.

611
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,080
So these are essentially bottomless

612
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,080
box culverts.

613
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,080
They're arch culverts I should say.

614
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,080
But they serve as bridges we're

615
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,080
going to build the roadway back

616
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,080
over the top.

617
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:26,080
The crossing at Northport we are

618
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,080
recommending to keep that crossing

619
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,080
as it is today.

620
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:37,080
So let me quickly bring that one up.

621
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,080
So here's a crossing at Northport.

622
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,080
The roadway is I believe 40 feet wide.

623
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,080
So I don't have that off the top of my

624
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:51,080
head 39 feet wide.

625
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,080
So our recommendation is to keep

626
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,080
that with the sidewalk we're

627
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,080
recommending to keep in the location

628
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,080
that it's in now we're recommending

629
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,080
the sidewalk to be on the south side

630
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,080
of Northport going through Antoine

631
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,080
Park.

632
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,080
But that's the recommendation to

633
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,080
simply there was there was no

634
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,080
advantage to narrowing the street.

635
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,080
And so we recommended keeping it

636
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,080
the width that it's at.

637
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,080
Is there any objection to that

638
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,080
recommendation or any need for further

639
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,080
discussion.

640
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,080
We can go back to it if you'd like.

641
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,080
And hails trail.

642
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,080
So this the street crossing is at a

643
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,080
much higher elevation than at

644
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Northport.

645
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:46,080
And so if we look at the sorry this

646
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,080
is a little bit of a technical

647
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,080
drawing.

648
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,080
So if we look at the street up here

649
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:57,080
and I'll blow it up a little bit.

650
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,080
So this is a this is an earlier

651
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,080
drawing.

652
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,080
So it has a 15 foot roadway.

653
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,080
But if 15 foot half roadway.

654
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,080
So 30 30 foot roadway from flange

655
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,080
to flange.

656
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:17,080
So it's if we construct that road

657
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,080
way.

658
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,080
The current roadway is 36 feet wide.

659
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,080
With the recommended.

660
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,080
Colvert.

661
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,080
It's a three to one.

662
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,080
Slope which is pretty steep.

663
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,080
We would consider that the maximum

664
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,080
and we would need a railings here

665
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,080
on the sidewalk to protect people

666
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,080
from tumbling down over the top of

667
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,080
the culvert.

668
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,080
So the recommendation that we're

669
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,080
making as staff is to narrow this

670
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,080
a bit more so that we can have

671
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,080
something a little flatter than

672
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,080
three to one.

673
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,080
And let me go back to the drawing

674
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,080
here.

675
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,080
So here's the way the roadway

676
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,080
exists now.

677
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,080
The recommendation.

678
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,080
Let me go back.

679
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,080
So you can see so we've we've

680
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,080
already narrowed this section of

681
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,080
hills trail to 24 feet wide.

682
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,080
There's of course no parking here.

683
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,080
And so the recommendation to continue

684
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:27,080
that cross section to the east would

685
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,080
be contingent on continuing to

686
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,080
restrict parking so there'd be no

687
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,080
parking in that area.

688
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,080
So that would allow us again by

689
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,080
tightening up the roadway.

690
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,080
We could have flatter slopes down

691
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,080
to the top of the culvert.

692
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,080
So the only other way to alleviate

693
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,080
from that is to build up the height

694
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,080
of the wall on the end wall.

695
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,080
And so then it would be a lesser

696
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,080
slope as well.

697
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,080
But it's a more expensive bridge.

698
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,080
So shown here are a couple of the

699
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,080
options essentially kicking the

700
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,080
sidewalk in and then back out or

701
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,080
keeping it where it is on both sides.

702
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Our recommendation is just to keep

703
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,080
the sidewalk where it is we would

704
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,080
lower it in elevation.

705
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,080
And so it wouldn't have an impact

706
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,080
on the slope so we could still pull

707
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,080
it away from the curb so the

708
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,080
pedestrian has a feeling of that

709
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,080
separation from the roadway.

710
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,080
And again the reason we had

711
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
narrowed the section of roadway to

712
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
begin with is we had gotten

713
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,080
complaints because cars in both

714
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,080
directions they're going down

715
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,080
hill.

716
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,080
And so they tend to speed and

717
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,080
pedestrians crossing at the inner

718
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,080
urban felt that it was unsafe

719
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,080
there.

720
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,080
And so that's why we narrowed it

721
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,080
to begin with.

722
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,080
And so that's why we're

723
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
recommending to continue to

724
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,080
continue that.

725
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,080
The reports I'm getting that is

726
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,080
not and by my observation not a

727
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,080
heavily parked area and so losing

728
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,080
the parking would not have a big

729
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,080
impact on people who want to

730
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,080
park their cars.

731
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,080
Are there any questions or

732
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,080
comments about the choices that

733
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,080
we have for the roadway?

734
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,080
Sure.

735
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,080
Lowering the road there because

736
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,080
we are going uphill and

737
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,080
up hill to the northeast there

738
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,080
I guess east there or south

739
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,080
depending on how you're

740
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,080
considering this road.

741
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,080
Is there any problem with

742
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,080
keeping under 5% grade to match

743
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,080
the existing sidewalk elevation

744
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,080
or is this still flat enough

745
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,080
that it really doesn't extend

746
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,080
that long of a distance to have

747
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,080
the sidewalk lower than the road

748
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,080
through there?

749
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,080
Oh.

750
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,080
You know, good question.

751
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,080
Yeah, I don't think just from

752
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,080
being out there and extending

753
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,080
the sidewalk as we did on

754
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,080
Hills trail and the work we've

755
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,080
done.

756
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,080
I don't think it's going to have

757
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,080
a big impact on the sag for the

758
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,080
sidewalk.

759
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Okay.

760
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:15,080
Yeah.

761
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,080
That was your question.

762
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,080
Okay.

763
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,080
I think my question is kind of

764
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,080
the same and I'm just not

765
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,080
understanding it fully.

766
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,080
So rather than kicking the

767
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,080
sidewalk in, like the one sort

768
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,080
of path shows you're going to

769
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,080
keep the sidewalk where it is

770
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,080
but you're lowering the sidewalk

771
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,080
to.

772
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,080
Yeah, the sidewalk would be

773
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,080
lower, would be lower than the

774
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,080
curb.

775
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,080
I see what you're getting at.

776
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,080
You're saying having to walk

777
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,080
downhill and then uphill versus

778
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,080
having to walk in and out?

779
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,080
Yeah, and it also seems kind of

780
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,080
awkward to be lower than the

781
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,080
curb.

782
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,080
Usually your sidewalk is higher

783
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,080
than the curb but it's not

784
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,080
always that way.

785
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,080
It doesn't have to be.

786
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,080
The reason sidewalk is usually

787
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,080
above the curb is because of

788
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,080
snow melt.

789
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,080
I don't know if there's any

790
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,080
other reason.

791
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,080
I guess traffic safety, but I

792
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,080
mean depending on the speed of

793
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,080
that vehicles but otherwise

794
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,080
mostly just for run-off purposes.

795
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,080
Yeah, you just would have to

796
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,080
change the slope of the sidewalk

797
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,080
so it slopes.

798
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,080
Right.

799
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,080
It would slope downward.

800
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:34,080
Yeah.

801
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,080
Yeah.

802
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,080
How much lower are we talking?

803
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,080
Yeah.

804
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,080
How much lower are we talking?

805
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,080
I don't think we're talking more

806
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,080
than a couple of feet.

807
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,080
Probably not even that much.

808
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,080
Yeah.

809
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,080
If the sidewalk...

810
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,080
I would say pretty minimal.

811
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,080
Yeah, you're right.

812
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,080
It's probably more like a foot.

813
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,080
Lower.

814
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,080
Yeah.

815
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,080
So I don't think you're going to

816
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,080
feel like you're going down

817
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,080
into a major dip.

818
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,080
They haven't...

819
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,080
The design's not that far

820
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,080
advanced but we're not going to

821
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,080
design anything that is

822
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,080
unusual.

823
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,080
If we move the sidewalk in, is

824
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,080
there any potential savings in

825
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,080
the length of the culvert or

826
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,080
because it comes in standard-sized

827
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,080
segments, would it be the same

828
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,080
length?

829
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:37,080
I think there may be...

830
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,080
Well, if we lower the sidewalk

831
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,080
so that it's on the grade

832
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,080
down from the curb head to the

833
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:50,080
end wall or to the head wall,

834
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,080
I don't think it should make

835
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,080
much difference in the length

836
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,080
of the culvert.

837
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,080
I mean, that's something

838
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,080
certainly during their final

839
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,080
design process, which is going

840
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:04,080
to be over the next three weeks.

841
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,080
And they know that we want the

842
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,080
culvert as minimal as possible

843
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,080
because, yeah, it's several

844
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,080
thousand dollars a foot.

845
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,080
And taller head walls are more

846
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,080
costly than the extra length on

847
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,080
the...

848
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,080
Right.

849
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,080
Yeah.

850
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:29,080
So if there are no

851
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,080
strong opinions, and I'm not

852
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,080
trying to wrap it up.

853
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,080
We're just...

854
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,080
I'm trying to get, yeah,

855
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,080
opinions so that we can make

856
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,080
this so we know that if there's

857
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,080
something that is not liked,

858
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,080
then we won't go that route.

859
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,080
Sorry to cut you off.

860
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,080
No, it's okay.

861
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,080
Are you done, Mike?

862
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,080
Yeah, I'm done.

863
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,080
Yeah, you can.

864
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,080
So, and we talked to police

865
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,080
and fire and they have no

866
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,080
concerns about the past

867
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,080
narrowing of the bridge at...

868
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,080
No, I can't think of hails trails.

869
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,080
They're okay with that.

870
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,080
That's not been an impediment

871
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,080
previously.

872
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,080
No, you know, I only spoke to

873
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,080
Chief Hinges.

874
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,080
I'm sorry.

875
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,080
Chief...

876
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,080
Is there an F key?

877
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,080
And mostly about the parking.

878
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,080
So this is 24 feet wide.

879
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,080
There would be no...

880
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,080
with no parking.

881
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,080
You know, it would actually be

882
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,080
wider than a typical...

883
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,080
Right.

884
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,080
Then a wider street if there were

885
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,080
cars parked on both sides of

886
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,080
the street.

887
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,080
And if you're asking what flavor

888
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,080
we like, I would vote for a field

889
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,080
stone.

890
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,080
Okay.

891
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,080
Yeah, of course.

892
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,080
It's the most expensive,

893
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,080
which would probably be true.

894
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,080
No, they're all about the same.

895
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,080
Yeah.

896
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,080
Okay.

897
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,080
I'm done, then.

898
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,080
I really don't mind the

899
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,080
narrowing of the road.

900
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,080
And, you know, I walked by

901
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,080
there two times a day.

902
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:57,080
And most people park on...

903
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,080
What's the street?

904
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,080
Yeah.

905
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,080
I mean, for the community garden

906
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,080
and people park over there,

907
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,080
it's...

908
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,080
I can't remember the last time

909
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,080
somebody was parked on Hill's

910
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,080
trail on that curving area.

911
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,080
I kind of like that.

912
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,080
I guess my only concern would be

913
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:17,080
the sidewalks and how that feels.

914
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,080
You know, being lower,

915
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,080
but it sounds like you've got it

916
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,080
handled.

917
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,080
Yeah.

918
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,080
You know, honestly,

919
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,080
and the only thing that I want to

920
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,080
make sure that I bring to your

921
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,080
attention is so, of course,

922
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,080
the inner urban bike trail goes

923
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,080
through here.

924
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,080
And so I'm sure some people use

925
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,080
Hales trails as an access to the

926
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,080
bike.

927
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,080
So, so in our bike bed plan,

928
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,080
this is recommended as what they

929
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,080
call a bike boulevard,

930
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,080
so it's not a dedicated lane,

931
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:53,080
but it's just an area that people

932
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,080
can feel comfortable riding

933
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,080
their bicycles.

934
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,080
I think there's a trade-off.

935
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:04,080
A wider street means faster cars,

936
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,080
which means less safe for bikes,

937
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,080
but not, you know, not having a

938
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,080
dedicated area, the presumption is

939
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,080
that is going...

940
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,080
That is going to cause a driver to

941
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,080
slow down if he has to share a

942
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,080
lane with a bicyclist.

943
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,080
So, I mean, that's something to

944
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,080
consider as well, but they have

945
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,080
to go through that narrow section

946
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,080
anyway.

947
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,080
It's just longer.

948
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,080
So, that would probably be...

949
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,080
That would be something to take

950
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,080
into consideration as well.

951
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,080
So, currently there's inlets that

952
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,080
are not...

953
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,080
They don't look like they're over

954
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,080
the culvert, but they come on

955
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,080
either side.

956
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,080
Are we regrading the profile

957
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,080
through there to move them to one

958
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,080
side or the other then?

959
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,080
That's probably more detailed

960
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,080
than what you're concerned with

961
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,080
right now.

962
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,080
That's more of a final design

963
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,080
type detail.

964
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,080
But...

965
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,080
Yeah, we talked about that.

966
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,080
I mean, we've talked about it.

967
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,080
Yeah, the plan was not to have

968
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,080
the on top of the culvert.

969
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,080
Okay.

970
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,080
It's kind of a sag there now,

971
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,080
but would the new profile

972
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,080
tend to be a little bit, I would

973
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,080
guess, the same or higher slightly

974
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,080
than the current road?

975
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,080
Or would we try to come down

976
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,080
a little bit to make the

977
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,080
grading a little bit easier,

978
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,080
which might make more of a weird

979
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,080
low spot.

980
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,080
But right now, are we just

981
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,080
assuming basically the existing

982
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,080
profile?

983
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,080
We're assuming...

984
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,080
Yeah, I think we're assuming the

985
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,080
existing profile.

986
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,080
Because...

987
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,080
I know report it will change a

988
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,080
little bit because right now

989
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,080
I know report the inlets are

990
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,080
over the top of culvert.

991
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,080
So they'll slide off and I think

992
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,080
the little...

993
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,080
the sag will end up being on the

994
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,080
east side of the culvert.

995
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,080
Okay.

996
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,080
Yeah, I...

997
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,080
I guess on here at Hales,

998
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
I have no problem with if it

999
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,080
would make sense to bring the

1000
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,080
sidewalk in, that's fine with me

1001
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080
or to keep it out and lower it

1002
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,080
as long as it works grading-wise

1003
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,080
and isn't a problem.

1004
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,080
Anyone else?

1005
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,080
No?

1006
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,080
No.

1007
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,080
I think having the sidewalks

1008
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,080
further from the street actually

1009
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,080
kind of gives it more of a

1010
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,080
park-like feel.

1011
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,080
I know it's not going to be that

1012
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080
big of a difference anyways,

1013
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,080
but it kind of ties it with the

1014
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,080
inner urban trail there.

1015
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,080
Okay.

1016
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,080
And if we're narrowing it

1017
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,080
anyways, I mean you're just going

1018
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,080
to slow traffic down sooner.

1019
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,080
My only concern with having the

1020
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,080
narrower road there anyways is

1021
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,080
that you are putting bikes and

1022
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,080
pedestrians closer to traffic,

1023
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,080
but if it's narrowed anyways,

1024
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,080
it's irrelevant.

1025
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,080
Okay.

1026
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,080
I can move on to...

1027
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,080
if everyone's okay to move on to

1028
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,080
Lake Street.

1029
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,080
Yeah.

1030
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,080
And then we'll talk about the

1031
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:15,080
treatments.

1032
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,080
And so this is

1033
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,080
schematic of,

1034
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,080
which is in your packet.

1035
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,080
So essentially the

1036
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,080
current box culvert

1037
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,080
ends about here,

1038
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,080
and of course goes all the way out

1039
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,080
to Lake Michigan.

1040
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,080
This would be a much reduced

1041
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,080
box culvert we've talked about

1042
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,080
in March is when the board

1043
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,080
recommended daylighting the

1044
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,080
culvert on both ends and

1045
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,080
essentially eliminating the

1046
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,080
off street parking on the

1047
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,080
on the west side of Lake Street

1048
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,080
and then replacing it with

1049
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,080
parking all along the

1050
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,080
street and then in

1051
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,080
Veterans Park.

1052
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,080
I know there's some concern

1053
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,080
coming down the hill.

1054
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,080
By my observation being out

1055
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,080
there, it looked like there should

1056
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,080
be stopping distance for

1057
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,080
for a car coming down the hill.

1058
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:34,080
If someone's coming out,

1059
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,080
they'd naturally would have to

1060
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,080
for any of these,

1061
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,080
a car would need to stop if

1062
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,080
somebody were pulling out and

1063
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,080
taking their time making that

1064
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,080
maneuver.

1065
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,080
But

1066
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,080
floor traffic in this areas,

1067
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,080
I would say not a bad thing.

1068
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,080
It's a fairly confined area.

1069
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,080
And the number of parking spaces

1070
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,080
now that are would be on the

1071
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,080
street would match the number of

1072
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,080
parking spaces that are out there

1073
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,080
now.

1074
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,080
So this is the recommended

1075
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,080
layout and you can see the

1076
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,080
sidewalk comes in quite a bit,

1077
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,080
but there's really no

1078
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,080
preventing that unless you're

1079
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,080
to extend the culvert substantially

1080
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,080
longer.

1081
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,080
My opinion here is this is the one

1082
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,080
that I think we probably would

1083
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,080
want to feel most bridge like

1084
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,080
just because of the park

1085
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,080
environment there.

1086
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,080
Because having the having a

1087
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,080
great slope graded over top of

1088
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,080
it with grass that really isn't

1089
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,080
cuttable.

1090
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,080
I'm not sure how well that

1091
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,080
really fits into that park,

1092
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,080
which is all, especially on the

1093
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,080
east side of the road, all

1094
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,080
manicured grass.

1095
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,080
So I also don't know.

1096
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,080
I didn't have a profile in here

1097
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,080
showing how or I should say

1098
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,080
profile works.

1099
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,080
A profile view showing just how

1100
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,080
high the road is compared to

1101
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,080
the culvert here.

1102
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,080
I'm just saying this might be

1103
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,080
the spot where if we were going

1104
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,080
to do the extra expensive

1105
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,080
having a larger head wall and

1106
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,080
the skew, it might make the most

1107
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,080
sense here.

1108
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,080
It would fit the park a little

1109
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,080
better, particularly on the

1110
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,080
east side.

1111
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,080
I think that's the intention.

1112
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:32,080
Are there any questions about

1113
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,080
this?

1114
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,080
This is the drawing we've

1115
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,080
essentially been looking at each

1116
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,080
time we've looked at this.

1117
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,080
Then we can go back to it if

1118
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,080
you'd like.

1119
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,080
So as far as treatments go,

1120
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,080
this is a very interesting

1121
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,080
scenario.

1122
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:55,080
This is a very generic

1123
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,080
schematic of the crossing up at

1124
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,080
Hales trail.

1125
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,080
So this is the proposed bike

1126
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,080
path as you can see.

1127
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,080
This one provide the necessary

1128
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,080
clearance.

1129
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,080
So again, this is just a

1130
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,080
schematic.

1131
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,080
And I think what this is trying

1132
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,080
to represent in terms of stone

1133
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:19,080
and you can do just about anything.

1134
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,080
But I had

1135
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:29,080
I should have

1136
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,080
it here.

1137
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,080
Let me see if I can

1138
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:40,080
see if I can

1139
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,080
see it.

1140
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,080
Hold on.

1141
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,080
Well, the other option that I

1142
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,080
was sent is the

1143
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,080
here.

1144
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Let me pull out of here for a

1145
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,080
second.

1146
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,080
Find it.

1147
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,080
I can.

1148
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,080
And download.

1149
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,080
This was.

1150
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,080
Oh, I did have it on there.

1151
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:04,080
All right.

1152
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,080
Oops.

1153
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,080
Sorry here.

1154
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,080
I'm back up.

1155
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,080
Okay.

1156
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,080
So this is this is the

1157
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,080
treatment that we put on the

1158
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,080
on the end wall at

1159
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:24,080
on layer B.

1160
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,080
I like the way it turned out

1161
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,080
a lot.

1162
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,080
So this isn't really anything

1163
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,080
under the sun is the option.

1164
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,080
So.

1165
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,080
But yeah, this is

1166
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,080
we can do anything.

1167
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,080
So we're not limited to either

1168
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,080
this option or even the other three

1169
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,080
options that are.

1170
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:49,080
Kind of laid out for us here.

1171
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,080
I mean, this one, I guess,

1172
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,080
might be the most similar to

1173
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,080
to layer B street.

1174
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,080
And then there's a field stone.

1175
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,080
And.

1176
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,080
And.

1177
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,080
Kind of a rough sandstone.

1178
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,080
It looks like to me.

1179
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,080
But.

1180
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,080
You can vote for one.

1181
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,080
None.

1182
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,080
All.

1183
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,080
I guess I can't I have an

1184
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,080
opinion for the one by down at

1185
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,080
Lake Street.

1186
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,080
And that is the structures down

1187
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,080
there, which are include the

1188
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,080
young club building.

1189
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,080
The the ban shell, the.

1190
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,080
The Legion Hall are all the

1191
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,080
Gunther cream city brick.

1192
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,080
And something that replicates

1193
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,080
that down there, I think, would

1194
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,080
fit in with the rest of this of

1195
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,080
the environment and would more

1196
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,080
give that appearance that it is

1197
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,080
that, you know, built, you know,

1198
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,080
120 years ago or, you know, I

1199
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,080
guess the ban shell is only

1200
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,080
one by two years ago.

1201
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,080
And so I figured years ago.

1202
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,080
Type structure.

1203
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,080
Although you could argue a

1204
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,080
contrasting type thing might work

1205
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,080
better too, but that's just my

1206
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,080
opinion would be the consider

1207
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,080
like a cream city style looking

1208
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,080
brick down there just that it

1209
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,080
matches everything.

1210
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Not to get into it, but we have

1211
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,080
a cream city brick home.

1212
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,080
And without any other trim

1213
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,080
city brick.

1214
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,080
So I think it'll look washed if

1215
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,080
we and I love cream city brick

1216
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,080
don't get me wrong.

1217
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,080
But without something else, it

1218
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,080
really is just beige.

1219
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,080
Even with the arches.

1220
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,080
It's just beige.

1221
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,080
All right.

1222
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,080
Beige on beige.

1223
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,080
Oh, excuse me.

1224
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,080
Beige on gray.

1225
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,080
Rob, would it be possible to get

1226
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,080
photos of these actual

1227
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,080
samples?

1228
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,080
Yeah.

1229
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,080
Ask to weigh in.

1230
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,080
I mean, the renderings give us

1231
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,080
an idea, but that's a little

1232
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,080
different than the actual samples.

1233
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,080
Sure.

1234
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,080
And then I think we should be

1235
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,080
mindful, isn't there going to be

1236
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,080
a small pedestrian bridge on the

1237
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,080
east side of the water treatment

1238
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,080
facility?

1239
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,080
Yes.

1240
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,080
That should all.

1241
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,080
That should be similar.

1242
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,080
And we should keep in mind of the

1243
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,080
water treatment building that is

1244
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,080
there.

1245
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,080
Because, you know, you have your

1246
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,080
blue, which is lovely with the

1247
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,080
cream trim.

1248
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,080
It only pops because of the

1249
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,080
contrast between the two.

1250
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,080
Yeah.

1251
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,080
The one at the outfall is going to

1252
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,080
won't be a cover like this.

1253
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,080
It'll be a bridge that's more

1254
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,080
similar to like in Coldock

1255
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,080
Park.

1256
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,080
Not with the high walls on it,

1257
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,080
but a stream bridge that's more

1258
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,080
similar to that.

1259
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,080
Rest down abutments.

1260
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,080
Yeah.

1261
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,080
And that one, if it has exposed

1262
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,080
abutments, we probably should

1263
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,080
keep stylistically that it matches

1264
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,080
the other one, too.

1265
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,080
Okay.

1266
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,080
Okay.

1267
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,080
Have we taken this at all to

1268
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,080
Park and Rec for to ask their

1269
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,080
opinion, particularly down at

1270
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,080
Veterans Park since it is in a

1271
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,080
park?

1272
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,080
Good.

1273
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,080
The chair.

1274
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,080
The chair would like that.

1275
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,080
Okay.

1276
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,080
Sure.

1277
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,080
I was just going to say

1278
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,080
do you remember how we picked

1279
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,080
the facade for that wall in

1280
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,080
Laribbean?

1281
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,080
Was it a public works preference?

1282
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,080
Well, it wasn't Parks department.

1283
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,080
You weren't here.

1284
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,080
I don't remember if we picked it

1285
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,080
as a committee or I just picked

1286
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,080
it quite honestly.

1287
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,080
So.

1288
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,080
It was all I can tell you.

1289
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,080
I think it looks a lot nicer

1290
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,080
back there than they used to.

1291
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,080
Yeah.

1292
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,080
I don't remember it.

1293
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,080
Coming to committee.

1294
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,080
So it might have been that you

1295
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,080
just picked it, but you made a

1296
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,080
good choice there.

1297
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,080
Thank you.

1298
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,080
I thought it turned off nice.

1299
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,080
If we, I mean, if we try to ask

1300
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,080
for additional opinions on this,

1301
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,080
is this just going to hold this up

1302
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,080
too?

1303
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,080
And we are kind of on a tight

1304
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,080
timetable with the season

1305
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,080
anyways?

1306
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,080
You know, we're, um, it's

1307
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,080
getting a little tighter.

1308
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,080
But.

1309
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,080
You know.

1310
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,080
Are there any want to rule out?

1311
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,080
I mean, personally, they're all.

1312
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,080
I mean, there's an argument for

1313
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,080
all of them, and I don't feel

1314
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,080
like holding it up and debating

1315
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,080
it is really a valuable use of

1316
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,080
our time.

1317
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,080
Sure.

1318
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,080
You know, because I think they're

1319
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,080
all there.

1320
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,080
They're all appealing to one

1321
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,080
degree or the other and the rest

1322
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,080
of it's going to be personal

1323
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:05,080
opinion that everybody that

1324
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,080
drives through the city and

1325
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,080
everybody that's in the city is

1326
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,080
going to have an opinion on.

1327
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,080
And we're not going to please

1328
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:14,080
everybody.

1329
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,080
You know, so I would rather make

1330
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,080
a decision sooner than later on

1331
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,080
it personally.

1332
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:24,080
What's your preference?

1333
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,080
I'm fine with any of them.

1334
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,080
I just personally think the

1335
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,080
fieldstone that I have concerns

1336
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,080
about it looking a little bit

1337
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,080
different.

1338
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,080
Just because it looks a little

1339
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,080
overdone, maybe.

1340
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:47,080
I like the rectangular cutstone.

1341
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,080
I agree with this one here.

1342
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,080
Option number three.

1343
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,080
That was the first one I

1344
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:59,080
gravitated towards as well.

1345
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,080
Yeah.

1346
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,080
So we have no consensus for you.

1347
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,080
Yeah.

1348
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,080
I wouldn't even I'm not sure if

1349
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,080
we want to say that we want to

1350
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,080
do them all the same or not either

1351
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,080
or if like what's we do in the

1352
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,080
park is different than what we

1353
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,080
do up by Northport and hails.

1354
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,080
I think the third one is kind of

1355
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:24,080
an in-between.

1356
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,080
I think the third one is kind

1357
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,080
of an in-between though of the

1358
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,080
first and second one.

1359
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,080
And I think it's a compromise

1360
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:33,080
either way.

1361
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,080
But again, we can sit here and

1362
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,080
talk about it for God knows how

1363
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,080
long.

1364
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,080
I'm satisfied with either one

1365
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,080
honestly, but.

1366
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,080
Could we do a prize?

1367
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,080
Vote online.

1368
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,080
Well, make the boys happy.

1369
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,080
We can.

1370
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,080
It'll be ready to be installed in

1371
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,080
twenty twenty nine.

1372
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,080
Yeah.

1373
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:01,080
Right.

1374
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,080
Let me.

1375
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,080
Let me talk to Stantec and

1376
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,080
John Crane and see what our time

1377
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,080
table is for their next meeting

1378
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,080
and see if if you'd like us to

1379
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,080
get an opinion from Parks and

1380
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,080
Rec.

1381
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:20,080
We can certainly do.

1382
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,080
It's not until October.

1383
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,080
Okay.

1384
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,080
That might be late.

1385
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,080
I'll have to.

1386
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,080
I still want Parks and Rec thinking

1387
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,080
that we're making a decision for

1388
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,080
what their park looks like for

1389
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,080
them because we kind of are when

1390
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,080
we said this is we're opening up

1391
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,080
the culvert and everything.

1392
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,080
And we don't get to make

1393
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,080
decisions on anything.

1394
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,080
So.

1395
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,080
But if time if time doesn't allow

1396
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,080
it, then yeah, time doesn't allow

1397
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:46,080
it.

1398
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,080
So there's none of these that

1399
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,080
are so objectionable that you

1400
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,080
would want to throw them out if

1401
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:52,080
we.

1402
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,080
It doesn't sound like.

1403
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,080
Maybe not for the chair, but

1404
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,080
for me, there is, but that's

1405
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,080
fine.

1406
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,080
I guess as long as you know,

1407
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,080
it doesn't sound like.

1408
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,080
Maybe not for the chair, but

1409
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,080
for me, there is, but that's

1410
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,080
fine.

1411
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,080
I guess as long as the field

1412
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,080
stone doesn't look fake when

1413
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,080
it's built, and it's really hard

1414
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,080
to tell from a rendering, but I've

1415
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,080
seen them where they've done them

1416
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,080
and they usually look pretty

1417
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,080
good when you when you see those.

1418
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Especially if you're not if you're

1419
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,080
not two inches from it, it looks

1420
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,080
better than if you're right up

1421
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,080
against them, obviously, but

1422
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,080
usually they look pretty good.

1423
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,080
Rob, you can kick me under the

1424
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,080
table if I'm talking too much.

1425
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:41,080
But just a thought.

1426
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:44,080
We'll choose one so we can get

1427
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,080
the design finished.

1428
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,080
We can get BID docs out.

1429
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,080
I don't believe we have a

1430
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,080
bidding schedule for this project

1431
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,080
yet.

1432
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,080
We're still looking for some

1433
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,080
funding.

1434
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,080
We'll get we can get things

1435
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:00,080
finished up.

1436
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:01,080
That'll give us time.

1437
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,080
We can go to park and rack and if

1438
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,080
if they if they have a

1439
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,080
recommendation of something

1440
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,080
different, I don't think it'll

1441
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,080
we can swap it out then in the

1442
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,080
final specs.

1443
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,080
I agree.

1444
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,080
I think it should be easy to

1445
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,080
kick the can a little bit on

1446
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:20,080
this decision.

1447
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,080
I think the specifications will

1448
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,080
be such that you can swap them

1449
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,080
out like Rogers

1450
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,080
indicating.

1451
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,080
If Rogers wrong,

1452
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,080
we'll play Roger.

1453
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,080
Were you looking for a vote from

1454
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,080
us or just a sense of the board?

1455
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:38,080
I think I have an off unless

1456
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,080
someone wants to.

1457
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,080
I'll make a motion that we

1458
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:46,080
accept the parameters of the

1459
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,080
dimensions of the bridge and

1460
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,080
specifications with the

1461
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,080
exception of perhaps maybe just

1462
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,080
the final

1463
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,080
beautification of the process.

1464
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,080
No, I appreciate that.

1465
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,080
Is that appropriate motion?

1466
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,080
Sure.

1467
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:02,080
You got it.

1468
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,080
Sorry, Madam Secretary.

1469
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,080
Is there a second on the motion?

1470
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,080
I'll second.

1471
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,080
All right.

1472
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,080
We have a motion by all the

1473
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,080
Roman Miller and a second by

1474
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:14,080
Mr.

1475
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,080
Sundorf.

1476
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:17,080
Any discussion on the motion?

1477
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,080
Seeing none, all those in favor

1478
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,080
say aye.

1479
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:21,080
Aye.

1480
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:22,080
Opposed?

1481
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,080
Motion carries.

1482
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:24,080
Thank you.

1483
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,080
All right.

1484
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:29,080
That should bring us to item

1485
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,080
nine consideration and possible

1486
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,080
action on a task order from

1487
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,080
Strand Associates to improve the

1488
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:37,080
sanitary sewer crossings of

1489
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:38,080
Mineral Springs Creek.

1490
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,080
All right.

1491
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,080
I'll kick this off and then we

1492
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,080
have Phil here from Strand.

1493
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,080
He can answer some more

1494
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,080
detailed questions for you.

1495
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,080
But we have two sewer crossings

1496
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,080
on Mineral Springs Creek that

1497
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,080
have been exposed by previous

1498
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,080
flooding events and we want to

1499
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,080
get those crossings protected

1500
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,080
before they get completely

1501
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,080
undermined.

1502
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,080
And then the pipe essentially

1503
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,080
acts like a bridge and it's

1504
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,080
not structurally designed for

1505
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,080
that.

1506
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,080
Or a rock or some other large

1507
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,080
object gets rolled down the

1508
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,080
creek bed into these

1509
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,080
sanitary sewers and we end up

1510
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,080
with spills in the creek.

1511
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,080
We looked at three options.

1512
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,080
Armoring the pipe.

1513
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,080
Maybe a simple as putting a

1514
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,080
larger size pipe over the top of

1515
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,080
it or concrete in case it.

1516
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,080
And then play it in that

1517
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,080
in combination with some work in

1518
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,080
the stream bed to create some

1519
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,080
riffles and pools to keep the

1520
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,080
energy at those locations low

1521
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,080
enough that we're not going to

1522
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,080
get undercutting or scouring.

1523
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,080
We looked at relocating the

1524
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,080
sewer line and we looked at

1525
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,080
just installing siphons at both

1526
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,080
these locations.

1527
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,080
You don't know basically a

1528
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,080
siphon is just a pipe that

1529
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,080
will seg underneath the creek and

1530
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,080
then come back up.

1531
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:09,080
Just our preliminary thoughts

1532
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,080
is really that we feel that

1533
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:16,080
armoring the pipe and

1534
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,080
adjusting the creek bed is going

1535
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,080
to be the least cost.

1536
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,080
First cost and least cost

1537
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,080
long term.

1538
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,080
With the caveat is probably the

1539
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,080
more expensive one to design

1540
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,080
because you have to do some

1541
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,080
flood study work which is now

1542
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,080
would be typical for any of the

1543
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,080
other options.

1544
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:45,080
So I guess our recommendation

1545
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,080
here is that we hire Strand to

1546
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,080
proceed with armoring the pipe

1547
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,080
and I'll kick it over to Phil

1548
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,080
here if he's got anything else to

1549
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,080
add.

1550
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,080
If you have any other additional

1551
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,080
questions in the proposal?

1552
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,080
I guess I would have to ask

1553
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,080
how does this fit in with the

1554
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,080
projects the county has been doing

1555
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,080
on the creek in recent years and

1556
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,080
what they have done here?

1557
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:22,080
We did do a site visit with the

1558
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,080
county to talk through what would

1559
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,080
be provable to them.

1560
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,080
So it fits in fine I guess with

1561
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,080
what they're doing.

1562
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,080
They have a Hack Ross model

1563
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,080
which is a model used for the

1564
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,080
evaluating the stream flow

1565
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,080
that they will provide to us

1566
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,080
that we can essentially build on

1567
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,080
for these more upstream

1568
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,080
portions of the channel.

1569
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,080
So all their work has been

1570
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
downstream and they have also

1571
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,080
have some details and things

1572
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,080
that they said they'd share with

1573
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,080
us to kind of incorporate into

1574
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,080
this design to make it more

1575
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,080
uniform.

1576
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,080
So we'll continue to coordinate

1577
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,080
with them as part of the design

1578
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,080
to make sure everything's

1579
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,080
done.

1580
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,080
Okay.

1581
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:12,080
Any other comments, questions?

1582
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,080
Just curious, does the city own

1583
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,080
that old railroad bridge that's

1584
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,080
east of Park Street?

1585
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,080
Is that like where this pipe

1586
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,080
crosses?

1587
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,080
I don't know the answer.

1588
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,080
Do you know that one right off

1589
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,080
hand though?

1590
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,080
Yes.

1591
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,080
It doesn't really matter.

1592
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:36,080
I think it's we energy's right

1593
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,080
away.

1594
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,080
I don't believe it is.

1595
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,080
All right.

1596
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,080
How old are the pipes, sewer

1597
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,080
pipes?

1598
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,080
They've got to be on the

1599
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,080
order of 50 years old I would

1600
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,080
think.

1601
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:54,080
More like 70.

1602
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,080
If we armor it, is there a risk

1603
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,080
that we could still have

1604
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,080
after a place in the 10 or 15

1605
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,080
years?

1606
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,080
It'll maybe maybe feel can add

1607
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,080
into that, but generally at that

1608
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,080
point, if we had it armored and

1609
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,080
protected, our next step, if we

1610
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,080
felt the pipeline was deteriorating

1611
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,080
would be to line it and

1612
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,080
essentially that converts it to a

1613
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,080
plastic pipe and we'd expect to

1614
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:24,080
get 100-year life out of it.

1615
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,080
That's a good idea.

1616
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,080
That's a good idea.

1617
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,080
I'm sorry.

1618
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,080
This includes the area where we

1619
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,080
had armored with concrete in the

1620
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,080
past.

1621
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,080
Correct?

1622
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,080
Or has that already been

1623
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,080
resolved?

1624
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,080
We had essentially poured what

1625
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,080
almost made a dam in the

1626
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,080
creek there.

1627
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,080
That has been resolved with the

1628
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,080
county's project.

1629
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,080
That's why we're bringing

1630
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,080
Strand on to figure it out.

1631
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,080
I would want to know if we

1632
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,080
didn't do anything for another

1633
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,080
year or two, what's the worst that

1634
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,080
could happen?

1635
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,080
The worst that could happen is

1636
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,080
they could continue to lose

1637
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,080
material around the pipe and

1638
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,080
then the pipe would be

1639
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,080
more likely to be able to do it

1640
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,080
or not.

1641
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,080
That's why we're bringing

1642
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,080
Strand on to figure it out.

1643
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,080
That's why we're bringing

1644
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,080
material around the pipe and

1645
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,080
then the pipe would either

1646
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,080
break and you'd have sewage

1647
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,080
spilling into the creek and

1648
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,080
then you'd have to get in there

1649
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,080
and repair it in an emergency

1650
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,080
situation.

1651
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,080
That's probably the worst case

1652
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,080
scenario.

1653
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,080
If we end up doing something

1654
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,080
there as an emergency repair,

1655
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,080
the DNR does tend to charge a

1656
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,080
price.

1657
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,080
That would have to do to

1658
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,080
a tone for having done

1659
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,080
something it didn't like in the

1660
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,080
creek.

1661
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,080
And then your pipe's still

1662
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,080
going to be exposed because

1663
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,080
the stream bed is not going to

1664
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,080
raise up during that period.

1665
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,080
That was the transfer of

1666
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,080
Oakland Avenue Green to the

1667
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,080
county and making that in the

1668
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,080
prairie was part of what the

1669
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,080
DNR demanded as some of the

1670
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,080
price for what we had done when

1671
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,080
we were able to get into the

1672
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,080
stream from there.

1673
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,080
Yeah.

1674
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,080
So, yeah, we experienced this in

1675
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,080
2019, I believe.

1676
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,080
So we've had experience with

1677
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,080
this type of project before

1678
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,080
and the results of ignoring it.

1679
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,080
Well, we didn't ignore it.

1680
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,080
We didn't know it existed until

1681
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,080
the 2018 storm undermined

1682
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,080
one of our crossings and we

1683
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,080
discovered it, you know,

1684
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,080
a year later, essentially.

1685
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,080
And so, when we

1686
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:52,080
took action to

1687
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,080
protect the pipe, it became a

1688
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,080
dam on the creek.

1689
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,080
And so, this is, yeah, again,

1690
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,080
this is more proactive than

1691
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,080
reactive.

1692
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,080
So, when that happened, it

1693
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,080
called our attention to other

1694
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,080
creek crossings that we needed to

1695
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,080
examine.

1696
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,080
And so, these are deep in the

1697
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,080
way that they had been

1698
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,080
eroded.

1699
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,080
All right.

1700
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,080
Any other questions or comments?

1701
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,080
Otherwise, so entertain a

1702
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,080
motion on this item?

1703
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,080
I guess it just feels like a

1704
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,080
relatively small investment to

1705
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,080
prevent all the really large

1706
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,080
much bigger problem in the future.

1707
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,080
So, I moved out to city except

1708
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,080
the proposal from Strand Associates

1709
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,080
to design protection of the

1710
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,080
sanitary sewer within the

1711
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,080
city.

1712
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,080
All right.

1713
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,080
We have a motion by

1714
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,080
Alderman Beaster.

1715
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,080
Is there a second?

1716
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,080
I'll second that.

1717
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,080
Second by Mr. Brooks.

1718
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,080
Any questions on the motion?

1719
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,080
Seeing none, all those in favor

1720
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,080
say aye.

1721
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,080
Aye.

1722
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,080
Opposed?

1723
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:02,080
Motion carries.

1724
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,080
That brings us to

1725
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,080
item 10,

1726
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,080
consideration and possible

1727
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,080
motion.

1728
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,080
All right.

1729
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,080
All right.

1730
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,080
People have been on the board

1731
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,080
for a while.

1732
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,080
The spring street interceptor,

1733
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,080
that's a project to enlarge

1734
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,080
that interceptor to help

1735
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,080
alleviate some

1736
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,080
basement backups that we

1737
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,080
know are occurring now and

1738
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,080
also then to facilitate future

1739
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,080
growth that will have pipe

1740
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,080
capacity.

1741
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:40,080
So, we've attempted this

1742
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:44,080
railroad crossing two times.

1743
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,080
The first time we hit what we

1744
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,080
believe is the abutment for

1745
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,080
the old inner urban railroad

1746
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,080
tracks.

1747
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,080
This time we hit

1748
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,080
some other unknown

1749
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,080
obstruction,

1750
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,080
despite the fact that we had

1751
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,080
gone through and

1752
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,080
did some vertical soil

1753
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,080
crossings.

1754
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,080
We've moved the alignment

1755
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,080
as far north as we can.

1756
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,080
And we're going to go

1757
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,080
horizontal, essentially

1758
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,080
through the full road of the

1759
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,080
alignment to see if there's

1760
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,080
anything in there.

1761
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,080
Test drill.

1762
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,080
Test drill.

1763
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,080
Yeah.

1764
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:30,080
And if that works, then we'll

1765
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,080
come back with a full design

1766
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,080
of the sewer.

1767
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,080
I'm curious, what is this

1768
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,080
sentence, this new alignment

1769
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,080
as far north as we can push

1770
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,080
the sanitary sewer

1771
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,080
if an obstruction is found

1772
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,080
what exactly is it?

1773
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,080
So, we're going to go back

1774
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,080
with this new alignment as

1775
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,080
far north as we can push

1776
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,080
the sanitary sewer if an

1777
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,080
obstruction is found.

1778
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,080
What exactly does that mean?

1779
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,080
What do we get into if we go

1780
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,080
further north?

1781
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,080
The biggest thing if we go

1782
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,080
more north than what we're

1783
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,080
proposing is we're off

1784
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,080
land that we have reasonable

1785
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,080
access to.

1786
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,080
That we get in the land

1787
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,080
acquisition.

1788
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,080
So, we're going to go back

1789
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,080
to the

1790
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,080
$10,000 change order.

1791
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,080
How many test drills does that

1792
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,080
get us?

1793
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,080
Phil, you have an answer?

1794
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,080
That gets us two-thirty

1795
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,080
inches apart, which is the

1796
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,080
diameter of our casing pipe.

1797
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:38,080
You know,

1798
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,080
it's working with the railroad

1799
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,080
we thought because we asked

1800
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,080
if we hit this, can we slide

1801
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,080
over a little bit and do

1802
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,080
another one for verification?

1803
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,080
And if you do that, they say

1804
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,080
no, we need to submit a whole new

1805
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,080
plan, a whole new permission.

1806
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,080
You know, they don't just let

1807
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,080
you go out there and work for

1808
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,080
a day and get a ton.

1809
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,080
Yeah, and

1810
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,080
Union Pacific is not the

1811
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,080
most cooperative railroad

1812
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,080
to work with.

1813
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,080
All right.

1814
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,080
Any other questions?

1815
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,080
I would move to approve the

1816
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,080
staff recommendation.

1817
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,080
All right.

1818
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,080
We have a motion by

1819
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,080
Alderman Beaster. Is there a

1820
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,080
second?

1821
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,080
Second by Alderman Miller.

1822
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,080
Any questions on the motion?

1823
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,080
Seeing none, all those in favor

1824
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,080
say aye.

1825
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,080
Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1826
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,080
That brings us to item

1827
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,080
11,

1828
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,080
Consideration and

1829
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,080
Aye.

1830
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,080
He's the next item.

1831
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:48,080
All right, so we're nearing

1832
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,080
completion of the wastewater

1833
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,080
treatment plan.

1834
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,080
A lot of these change orders

1835
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,080
here are clean up.

1836
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,080
We have a lot of allowance

1837
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,080
items on our contract that

1838
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,080
we're now returning back to

1839
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,080
us.

1840
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,080
And really to kind of just

1841
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,080
kind of go through the line

1842
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,080
item, everything in the change

1843
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,080
order.

1844
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:14,080
I'll have Phil do that as

1845
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,080
our construction engineer

1846
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,080
and owner's rep.

1847
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,080
Okay.

1848
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:24,080
Just step through the

1849
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,080
memo here.

1850
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,080
So the first item

1851
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,080
is electrical conduit

1852
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,080
and wiring.

1853
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,080
So there's an

1854
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,080
electrical conduit and

1855
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,080
wiring.

1856
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,080
So there's at the treatment

1857
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,080
plan.

1858
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,080
Does anyone want me to run

1859
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,080
through kind of how the

1860
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:48,080
treatment plant works at all

1861
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,080
or just run through these

1862
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,080
change orders?

1863
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
Items.

1864
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,080
Okay.

1865
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,080
So there's the treatment

1866
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,080
plant produces digester gas

1867
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,080
and that gas is burned in a

1868
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:03,080
waste gas burner.

1869
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,080
And as they replaced it,

1870
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,080
there was buried electrical

1871
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,080
conduit that nobody knew about

1872
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,080
right above the pipe.

1873
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,080
So that's what the first item

1874
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,080
was for is to replace that

1875
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,080
conduit because that wasn't

1876
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,080
included in the bid itself.

1877
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,080
The second items,

1878
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,080
there's add spool pieces,

1879
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,080
thick and waste-activated

1880
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:27,080
sludge pump piping.

1881
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:29,080
This came up because the

1882
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:31,080
existing, one of the existing

1883
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,080
pipes was a through bolt

1884
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,080
connection.

1885
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,080
So we needed to put on a

1886
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,080
spool piece to make that

1887
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:41,080
connection.

1888
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,080
And then also the existing

1889
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,080
piping was not level or

1890
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,080
straight in alignment.

1891
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,080
So a stainless steel like

1892
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,080
offset fitting was added to

1893
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,080
straighten that pipe up.

1894
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,080
So with that item was

1895
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,080
add supports to elevated

1896
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,080
walkway to headworks building.

1897
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,080
So some stiffeners were added

1898
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,080
to restrict any

1899
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,080
sort of swing.

1900
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,080
Removal of conduit embedded

1901
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,080
in wall, which conflicted with

1902
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:11,080
new door installation.

1903
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,080
So a previous change order added

1904
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,080
a new door on the second floor.

1905
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,080
And when they put the door in

1906
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:19,080
or cut the wall for it,

1907
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,080
they found a conduit that

1908
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,080
was embedded in the wall.

1909
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,080
So that was to replace that

1910
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,080
conduit, modify HVC open

1911
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,080
enclosure above raw wastewater

1912
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,080
pumps.

1913
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:33,080
So there was an existing

1914
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:35,080
openings there that had a exhaust

1915
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,080
fan and a loover.

1916
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:39,080
We thought that the loover was

1917
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,080
separate from the exhaust fan,

1918
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:43,080
but they were actually attached.

1919
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,080
We were planning to use that

1920
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,080
loover as kind of a back plate

1921
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:49,080
for a piece of stainless

1922
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:51,080
steel to close that opening up.

1923
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,080
But when they demoed it,

1924
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,080
they were connected.

1925
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:57,080
They were put in a modified piece

1926
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,080
of stainless steel plate

1927
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,080
that was more extensive

1928
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:03,080
than what was planned.

1929
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,080
That was that cost.

1930
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,080
The next one

1931
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,080
is a larger one

1932
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,080
for the digester.

1933
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,080
So the digesters are

1934
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:17,080
these three tanks here

1935
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:19,080
and they have covers on them

1936
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,080
that have a coating on them

1937
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,080
that wears out over time.

1938
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,080
So the part of the project was

1939
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,080
to repaint

1940
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,080
these covers.

1941
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,080
And yeah.

1942
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:43,080
Okay, I have to go in.

1943
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,080
Okay.

1944
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,080
So the digesters

1945
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,080
that required painting

1946
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,080
are the larger circle

1947
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:53,080
and then the one to the right of it.

1948
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,080
And the contractor

1949
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,080
had planned to remove those

1950
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,080
with a crane.

1951
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,080
But when they brought in

1952
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,080
the crane company,

1953
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,080
they were concerned

1954
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,080
that they were going to crush

1955
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,080
some of the sewers that run along

1956
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,080
in the entrance road

1957
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,080
to the treatment plant,

1958
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,080
because they were only two to three feet

1959
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,080
deep in spots.

1960
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,080
And with the weight of the crane

1961
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,080
they were not comfortable doing it.

1962
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:23,080
So they had

1963
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,080
to, the contractor

1964
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,080
had to sand blast and paint

1965
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,080
the two covers in

1966
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,080
place.

1967
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,080
And that cost was pretty much the same.

1968
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,080
The bigger cost was

1969
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,080
that they had to do everything

1970
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,080
became a confined space now.

1971
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,080
So they had to have somebody

1972
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,080
on top of those covers

1973
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,080
look ready to pull people out

1974
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,080
if there was any sort of

1975
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,080
space that gas detection

1976
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,080
or anything that went off.

1977
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,080
So that's what the major cost

1978
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,080
for that work

1979
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,080
ended up being this

1980
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,080
additional 76,000

1981
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,080
was for the most part

1982
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,080
the confined space

1983
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,080
watchdog.

1984
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:07,080
And then there was also

1985
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,080
we had an allowance

1986
01:53:09,080 --> 01:53:11,080
to do work

1987
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,080
inside the attic space.

1988
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,080
So these covers are actually a dual deck

1989
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,080
and there's an attic space

1990
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,080
and then another piece

1991
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,080
below that.

1992
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
So in that attic space

1993
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,080
we were unsure of the condition.

1994
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,080
So when they opened those up

1995
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,080
and inspected them

1996
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,080
there were some areas that needed

1997
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,080
new painting or

1998
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,080
additional steel that was

1999
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:37,080
above and beyond the allowance amount.

2000
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,080
So that's also

2001
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,080
lumped into this

2002
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,080
$76,000

2003
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,080
so that makes sense

2004
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,080
to everyone.

2005
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,080
Next item replaced the

2006
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,080
sparking rod and the gas waste

2007
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:53,080
gas burner so that just wore out

2008
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,080
and required replacement.

2009
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,080
And then the last item

2010
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,080
this one already came to you

2011
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,080
in a previous change order

2012
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,080
is the die store cover

2013
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,080
so that's the

2014
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:07,080
bottom of the circular

2015
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,080
tanks.

2016
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,080
And that cover at some

2017
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:13,080
point

2018
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,080
the cover was deflated

2019
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,080
so that they could do the work

2020
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:19,080
and when it was deflated

2021
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:23,080
a wind must have caught it and moved

2022
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,080
it off, moved the cover

2023
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,080
along with

2024
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:29,080
this stairway

2025
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,080
and then there's some supports.

2026
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:33,080
It's hard to see but there's a cage

2027
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,080
above that cover

2028
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:37,080
and that was damaged in spots.

2029
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,080
And that was not planned to be

2030
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,080
replaced as part of the project.

2031
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,080
It is 35 years old

2032
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:45,080
and it's aluminum so it wasn't

2033
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,080
noticeably corroding or anything

2034
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,080
like that but because

2035
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,080
of the damage to it

2036
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,080
it required replacement

2037
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:55,080
and that the previous change order

2038
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,080
we had gotten a quote from the

2039
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,080
original dome manufacturer

2040
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,080
to replace it but

2041
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:03,080
they are out of Canada

2042
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:05,080
and the cost they included

2043
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,080
did not include a tariff

2044
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,080
and then it also

2045
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,080
one of their terms was they wanted

2046
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:13,080
100% payment up front

2047
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,080
without any delivery

2048
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,080
of any material, any shop drawings

2049
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,080
or anything.

2050
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,080
So the contractor was uncomfortable

2051
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,080
that city staff were uncomfortable

2052
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:25,080
that I was uncomfortable

2053
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:27,080
that so we reached out to other

2054
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,080
dome manufacturers

2055
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,080
who we've worked with in the past

2056
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:33,080
and the contractors worked with

2057
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,080
and we got quotes from them

2058
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,080
in higher than

2059
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:39,080
the original manufacturers but

2060
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:41,080
they have the typical payment

2061
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:43,080
terms that were more custom to

2062
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:45,080
so that's what that item is

2063
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,080
and then I think it's

2064
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:49,080
also an insurance claim

2065
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:51,080
just due to the nature

2066
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:55,080
of what happened

2067
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:57,080
any questions on that item

2068
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:03,080
and then the last item is just

2069
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,080
credits for unused allowances

2070
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:09,080
so these are

2071
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,080
most of the remaining changes

2072
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,080
there are a couple outstanding

2073
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,080
changes on here that the contractors

2074
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:17,080
got pricing for and a couple of

2075
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:19,080
outstanding allowances that they

2076
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,080
haven't given us final

2077
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,080
invoices for but

2078
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:25,080
those items are all pretty small

2079
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,080
so that the final change order

2080
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,080
is expected to be under

2081
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,080
$10,000 for everything

2082
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,080
so

2083
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:35,080
just kind of a financial

2084
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:37,080
and we're with this change

2085
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,080
order and

2086
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:41,080
I guess the remaining

2087
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:43,080
outstanding items we expect to be

2088
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:45,080
underneath our five percent

2089
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,080
contingency amount that that we

2090
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,080
received

2091
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,080
on our DNR loan for the project

2092
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:57,080
all right are there any

2093
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,080
questions or comments

2094
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,080
if not

2095
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:03,080
I will entertain a motion

2096
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:07,080
on this item

2097
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:09,080
I move to approve the staff

2098
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,080
recommendation

2099
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:13,080
we have motion by Alderman Beaster

2100
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:15,080
is there a second?

2101
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,080
I'll second

2102
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:19,080
second by Mr. Sudendorf

2103
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,080
any discussion on the motion

2104
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,080
seeing none all those in favor say

2105
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:25,080
aye aye opposed

2106
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,080
motion carries

2107
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:29,080
all right thank you

2108
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:31,080
that brings us to item

2109
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,080
12 consideration and possible

2110
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:35,080
action on construction change

2111
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,080
order six at the water

2112
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:39,080
treatment plant

2113
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,080
all right so

2114
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,080
just like the waste water

2115
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,080
change order we just went through

2116
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:55,080
we have

2117
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:57,080
a project engineer for

2118
01:57:57,080 --> 01:57:59,080
from SCH on the phone

2119
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,080
he's going to help kind of

2120
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:03,080
go over these change orders and

2121
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:05,080
answer any questions that we can't

2122
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:07,080
Brad are you on?

2123
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:09,080
I am can you folks hear me?

2124
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:11,080
yep we can hear you

2125
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,080
all right thanks thanks for having

2126
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,080
me tonight

2127
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,080
do you want do you have

2128
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,080
anything more to say or do you want me to

2129
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:19,080
lead him?

2130
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:21,080
you can lead in just so you know I have a

2131
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,080
a slide show going so yeah

2132
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,080
I can see it it's a

2133
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,080
nice looking building it is

2134
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,080
so this is

2135
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,080
our sixth change order

2136
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,080
that we are looking to process

2137
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,080
um there are

2138
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,080
ten items on it

2139
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:43,080
there are

2140
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,080
as far as construction progress

2141
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,080
goes we are

2142
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,080
in the process of

2143
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,080
working to start up plant

2144
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,080
one as well as

2145
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:55,080
the new clear well

2146
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,080
and equalization basins

2147
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,080
on the southern side of the

2148
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,080
plant the far the far right side

2149
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:03,080
that addition down there we're in the

2150
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,080
process of getting those pieces

2151
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:07,080
online

2152
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,080
but as we've been going

2153
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:11,080
you folks are all aware

2154
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,080
as we've been going we have been

2155
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,080
finding things

2156
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:17,080
in the building

2157
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:19,080
our thoughts

2158
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,080
have changed slightly on a couple of

2159
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:23,080
things and we're looking to

2160
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,080
bring some of these two folks here tonight

2161
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:27,080
so ten items

2162
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,080
here first

2163
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:31,080
some additional some

2164
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,080
roof drainage

2165
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,080
to drain

2166
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,080
additional portions of

2167
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,080
the plant to below grade

2168
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:41,080
piping or a blow

2169
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:43,080
grade storm so after the

2170
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:45,080
flood

2171
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:47,080
gotcha

2172
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,080
a little while ago now but after

2173
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,080
that we have been looking to improve

2174
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:53,080
how the building drains

2175
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:55,080
so this ties some of the roof drains

2176
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:57,080
into

2177
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:59,080
below grade storms

2178
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,080
or we've brought pieces of this

2179
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,080
to you folks previously

2180
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:05,080
um and

2181
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:07,080
we are of the belief

2182
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:09,080
that this is the last one here

2183
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:13,080
uh second item

2184
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:15,080
the door from the plant operator

2185
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,080
space to the

2186
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:19,080
uh plant one

2187
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:21,080
pump room mezzanine

2188
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:23,080
we change how the door

2189
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:25,080
swung

2190
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:27,080
um and the as bid

2191
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:29,080
it was a solid

2192
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:31,080
door no light kit

2193
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,080
added a light kit

2194
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:35,080
made it a bit more operator-friendly

2195
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:37,080
in in that

2196
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:39,080
regard if you haven't been over

2197
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:41,080
there that room is

2198
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,080
night and day difference from what

2199
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:45,080
it was four years ago a much

2200
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:47,080
better place for staff to work

2201
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:49,080
uh item number three

2202
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,080
there are several pieces

2203
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,080
uh of this

2204
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:55,080
this is uh the last of

2205
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,080
kind of the T&M processes that

2206
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,080
we had with august winter

2207
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:01,080
uh the process mechanical

2208
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:03,080
subcontractor to

2209
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:05,080
cd smith um there is a

2210
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:07,080
boiler room drain

2211
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:09,080
an ejector set that uh was

2212
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:11,080
replaced

2213
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:13,080
improved

2214
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:15,080
um the installation of

2215
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:17,080
a new chemical feed system

2216
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:19,080
and some field coordination

2217
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,080
of some pipe relocations

2218
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:23,080
uh small

2219
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,080
pipe pieces

2220
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:27,080
that need to be relocated

2221
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,080
for electrical runs

2222
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:31,080
and things like that

2223
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,080
um

2224
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:35,080
item four

2225
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,080
um

2226
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:39,080
uh we also see here a

2227
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,080
uh bulk sales

2228
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:43,080
flow meter uh some work

2229
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:45,080
to incorporate flow meter

2230
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:47,080
into here this would go towards a bulk

2231
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:49,080
sale uh point of sale

2232
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:51,080
uh type device where

2233
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:53,080
uh customers

2234
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:55,080
could come and

2235
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:57,080
make bulk sale purchases

2236
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,080
and have it be metered

2237
02:01:59,080 --> 02:02:01,080
uh through an implant

2238
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:03,080
flow meter

2239
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:05,080
um

2240
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:07,080
um on the northern

2241
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:09,080
side of the plant

2242
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:11,080
uh adjacent to the park

2243
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:13,080
there we had a bit of uh

2244
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:15,080
underground utilities

2245
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,080
that traveled a bit outside

2246
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,080
of the limits of disturbance

2247
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:21,080
a bit of curb restoration

2248
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:23,080
and then here is

2249
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:25,080
a new curb cut

2250
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:27,080
for access to the generator

2251
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:29,080
on the north side of the plant

2252
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:31,080
so if you recall historically

2253
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,080
the plant has never had a

2254
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:35,080
generator this generator has been

2255
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:37,080
online for a couple of years

2256
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:39,080
now I want to say it went

2257
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:41,080
online

2258
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,080
late 24 early

2259
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:45,080
25 time frame

2260
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:47,080
provides emergency power for the

2261
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:49,080
entire plant this

2262
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:51,080
improves

2263
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:53,080
vehicle access

2264
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,080
for maintenance of the generator

2265
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:57,080
for refueling things like that

2266
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,080
it keeps fuel trucks off the street

2267
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:01,080
it keeps fuel trucks and maintenance

2268
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:03,080
trucks from having to out the curb

2269
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,080
so overall improved site access

2270
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:07,080
there

2271
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,080
um oddly enough

2272
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:11,080
when we go in and start up

2273
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:13,080
new systems old systems

2274
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:15,080
keep failing on us

2275
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:17,080
so flow meters

2276
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,080
existing raw water flow meters

2277
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:21,080
in plant one

2278
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:23,080
as we went to start up our

2279
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,080
new pumps in plant one

2280
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,080
the raw water flow meters

2281
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:29,080
that's a fairly key piece of

2282
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:31,080
infrastructure here at the water

2283
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:33,080
plant so we

2284
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:37,080
looked to

2285
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,080
replace those flow meters for

2286
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:41,080
accurate flow metering

2287
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,080
flow reading capabilities

2288
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,080
from our other raw water pump

2289
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:47,080
so this is

2290
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:49,080
item 68 is for raw water flow meters

2291
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:51,080
in plant one and plant two

2292
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,080
meter flow to both plants

2293
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:57,080
item seven is some additional

2294
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:59,080
controls for backwash

2295
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,080
flow control

2296
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:05,080
so we're at an interim point where we don't have

2297
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:07,080
a new backwash pump online

2298
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:09,080
that pump will live in plant two

2299
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:11,080
there's two of those

2300
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:13,080
but as we're looking to start up

2301
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,080
plant one

2302
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:17,080
we need a way to

2303
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:19,080
meter flow in the

2304
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:21,080
in the interim

2305
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:23,080
so this gives some additional controls

2306
02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:25,080
to backwash

2307
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:27,080
supply valves in the plant one

2308
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:29,080
and plant two pipe galleries

2309
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:31,080
it helps us out in the short term

2310
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:33,080
allowing plant one to come online

2311
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:35,080
before some of our new pumps

2312
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:37,080
are ready to come online

2313
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:39,080
and it also greatly improves

2314
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:41,080
the redundancy

2315
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:43,080
in the backwashing system

2316
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:45,080
backwashing is

2317
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:47,080
one of the more critical pieces

2318
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:49,080
of water plant operations

2319
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:51,080
if we don't have that our filters

2320
02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:53,080
eventually just stop working

2321
02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:55,080
so having the improved

2322
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:57,080
reliability and improved redundancy

2323
02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:59,080
on there

2324
02:04:59,080 --> 02:05:01,080
is an added long-term benefit

2325
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:03,080
in addition to

2326
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:05,080
advancing some of the work now

2327
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:09,080
item nine is

2328
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:11,080
some additional HVAC changes

2329
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:13,080
on the last

2330
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:15,080
change order four or change order five

2331
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:17,080
that we brought to you folks

2332
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:19,080
I might recall which one

2333
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:21,080
but we made some changes

2334
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:23,080
to the garage

2335
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:25,080
in plant two

2336
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:27,080
to the chlorine room there

2337
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:29,080
and what you see here is we split the

2338
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:31,080
the old chlorine room

2339
02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:33,080
we split it into two pieces

2340
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:35,080
there were HVAC pieces

2341
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:37,080
a part of that that was sent to the contractor

2342
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:39,080
and

2343
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:41,080
they were missed

2344
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,080
in the pricing so it's

2345
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,080
being approached

2346
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:47,080
now versus in the last

2347
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:49,080
change orders it was

2348
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:51,080
just generally missed

2349
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:53,080
all around in that pricing

2350
02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:57,080
the last item here is item number

2351
02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:59,080
ten as we put water back

2352
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,080
into the plant one filters

2353
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,080
we realized

2354
02:06:03,080 --> 02:06:07,080
some leaks in the

2355
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,080
concrete wall so we

2356
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:11,080
approached that

2357
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:13,080
via some

2358
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:17,080
chemical crack injection methods

2359
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:19,080
pumping in a chemical

2360
02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:21,080
grout that hardens upon

2361
02:06:21,080 --> 02:06:23,080
contact with water to seal up

2362
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:25,080
wall leaks in the concrete

2363
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:27,080
historically the pipe galleries

2364
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:29,080
were all the filter face piping

2365
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:31,080
and valves are historically these

2366
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:33,080
have been

2367
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:35,080
much too wet to know

2368
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,080
that these were there

2369
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:39,080
I think the prevailing thought is

2370
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:41,080
these have probably been there

2371
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:43,080
for a number of years and

2372
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:45,080
we weren't able to know just because

2373
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:47,080
of the condition of what that room

2374
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:49,080
and space used to be

2375
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:51,080
now that that room is looking a lot nicer

2376
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:53,080
a lot cleaner

2377
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:55,080
we are starting to see some of these

2378
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:57,080
leaks and realize

2379
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,080
that they're there

2380
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:01,080
and really just look to address them

2381
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:03,080
as they come up

2382
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:05,080
this is for plant one

2383
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:07,080
address

2384
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:09,080
anything in plant two plan to a

2385
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:11,080
similar point where it's still just a

2386
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:13,080
little bit too wet not quite to the

2387
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,080
state that we can really look to realize

2388
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:17,080
or understand if there's anything

2389
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:19,080
there that needs to be addressed

2390
02:07:19,080 --> 02:07:21,080
we have spent

2391
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:23,080
a good chunk

2392
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:25,080
of the last

2393
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:27,080
month or two assisting

2394
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:29,080
contractor

2395
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:31,080
staff with

2396
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:33,080
sequencing through the project

2397
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:35,080
in an effort to

2398
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:37,080
well we all want to get out of the

2399
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:39,080
plant and add that plant at

2400
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:41,080
its full functioning capacity there's

2401
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,080
certainly ongoing demands

2402
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:45,080
of the water system

2403
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:47,080
that weren't there two years ago

2404
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,080
when the project started right so

2405
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,080
anything we can do to

2406
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:53,080
bring the plant online faster

2407
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:55,080
is beneficial so

2408
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:57,080
myself

2409
02:07:57,080 --> 02:07:59,080
SCH staff and city water

2410
02:07:59,080 --> 02:08:01,080
staff along with

2411
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:04,080
Dan and plant staff

2412
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,080
had been working with

2413
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:08,080
CD Smith August winter the

2414
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:10,080
electrical sub

2415
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:13,080
J Miller the electrical

2416
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,080
subcontractor on this project to see

2417
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,080
where

2418
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:19,080
one helped them understand how we can

2419
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:21,080
move through the plant

2420
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,080
while maintaining plant operations

2421
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:25,080
what pieces can come online now

2422
02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:27,080
what pieces need to come online in a

2423
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:29,080
bit when we can pull things off

2424
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:31,080
and then

2425
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,080
really to press them to understand

2426
02:08:33,080 --> 02:08:35,080
okay we have a lot of work that will

2427
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,080
be happening in plant two

2428
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,080
how many people can you have on

2429
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:41,080
site there's a lot of places that

2430
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:43,080
you can work simultaneously

2431
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,080
how many places

2432
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:47,080
how many crews can you bring on

2433
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:49,080
site to do that

2434
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,080
so this is the

2435
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:53,080
schedule that Dan has here

2436
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:55,080
and I believe was in the board

2437
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:57,080
packet is the latest

2438
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,080
through

2439
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,080
plant one coming online

2440
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:03,080
plant two coming offline

2441
02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:05,080
and the improvements in

2442
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,080
plant two pumping

2443
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:09,080
coagulation, flacculation,

2444
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,080
some chem feeds

2445
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,080
and the real big piece is

2446
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:15,080
the filter rebuilds

2447
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:17,080
those are all fairly

2448
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,080
simple

2449
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:21,080
in terms of sequencing the pumping

2450
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:23,080
and piping is where it gets a bit

2451
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:25,080
more complex and that's what we've

2452
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:27,080
been working through with them

2453
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:33,080
any questions on those

2454
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:41,080
I guess on item

2455
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:43,080
68

2456
02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:45,080
for the flow meter

2457
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:47,080
I assume the old one was ancient but

2458
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:49,080
do you have a sense of like what the

2459
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:51,080
warranty on the new one is?

2460
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:55,080
we can follow up with

2461
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,080
that the project has an overall

2462
02:09:57,080 --> 02:09:59,080
in one year

2463
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,080
workmanship warranty

2464
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:03,080
typical

2465
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:05,080
warranties are

2466
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:07,080
I'm one year from startup

2467
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:11,080
on these types of devices

2468
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:13,080
the old meter

2469
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:15,080
the meter that we pulled from

2470
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:19,080
plant one was a

2471
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:21,080
very venturi flow meter so everything

2472
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:23,080
that we've been putting in the plant

2473
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:25,080
are you see it on the right that's called

2474
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:27,080
a magnetic flow meter

2475
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:29,080
it's the modern

2476
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:31,080
kind of

2477
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:33,080
larger style meter

2478
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,080
now what like you'd see in your home

2479
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:37,080
but what you have

2480
02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:39,080
well in process

2481
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:41,080
piping right basically

2482
02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:43,080
4-inch and up flow meters are this new

2483
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,080
style the old flow meters

2484
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,080
worked on like pressure loss

2485
02:10:47,080 --> 02:10:49,080
they were accurate if they were

2486
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:51,080
maintained but folks who know how to

2487
02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:53,080
maintain and calibrate them are

2488
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:55,080
are running out

2489
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:59,080
and it was just an antiquated system that

2490
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:01,080
failed when we started it up

2491
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:03,080
these meters are tested annually as well

2492
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:05,080
thank you

2493
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:11,080
any other questions

2494
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:15,080
if there are no questions

2495
02:11:15,080 --> 02:11:17,080
well versus this

2496
02:11:17,080 --> 02:11:19,080
this has all been kind of presented to us

2497
02:11:19,080 --> 02:11:21,080
before

2498
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:23,080
at least it was in the common console

2499
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,080
packet a few months back

2500
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:27,080
correct as part of the

2501
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,080
yes yes so nothing here is on it

2502
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,080
really unexpected at this point we've

2503
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:33,080
been made aware of this in the past

2504
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:35,080
all right

2505
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:37,080
so I will entertain a motion

2506
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:39,080
on this item

2507
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:41,080
or I'll make the motion

2508
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:43,080
I move to approve the staff

2509
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:45,080
recommendation

2510
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:47,080
is there a second

2511
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:49,080
second by Alderman Miller

2512
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:51,080
any questions on the motion

2513
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:53,080
seeing none

2514
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:55,080
all those in favor say aye

2515
02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:57,080
aye opposed

2516
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:59,080
the motion carries

2517
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:01,080
all right

2518
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:03,080
that should bring us to

2519
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:05,080
item 13

2520
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:07,080
review staff monthly reports

2521
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:09,080
okay

2522
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:11,080
it's been a long meeting so I won't

2523
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:13,080
spend too much time on these

2524
02:12:13,080 --> 02:12:15,080
I'll answer questions

2525
02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:17,080
if anyone has questions

2526
02:12:17,080 --> 02:12:19,080
but some

2527
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:21,080
great work by

2528
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:23,080
our division heads again

2529
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:25,080
putting these in

2530
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,080
and

2531
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:29,080
and

2532
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,080
and hopefully

2533
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:33,080
you find them

2534
02:12:33,080 --> 02:12:35,080
also to be informative

2535
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:37,080
under my report

2536
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:39,080
for public works I've

2537
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:41,080
I've listed out

2538
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:43,080
this this isn't

2539
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,080
entirely inclusive but a pretty good

2540
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:47,080
representation

2541
02:12:47,080 --> 02:12:49,080
of the the number of projects that

2542
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:51,080
Roger and I are working on

2543
02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:53,080
together

2544
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:55,080
and just a couple

2545
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:57,080
of highlights from it

2546
02:12:57,080 --> 02:12:59,080
the on the second page

2547
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:01,080
the utility extensions

2548
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,080
on KW and Lake Drive

2549
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:05,080
actually

2550
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:08,080
it's the bottom of the first page in the top of the second page but

2551
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:10,080
there'll be two projects

2552
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:12,080
for which we'll have the bid opening

2553
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,080
this week on Thursday

2554
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:16,080
and then those will be brought to

2555
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:20,080
Board of Public Works at our next meeting which is September 8th

2556
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:22,080
and then

2557
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,080
skipping down a bit

2558
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:28,080
Pear Street landing and I'm guessing most of you have noticed that they've

2559
02:13:28,080 --> 02:13:30,080
broke ground and

2560
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,080
and

2561
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:36,080
have the foundation

2562
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,080
completely dug but they're making great progress

2563
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:40,080
and the sidewalk is closed

2564
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:42,080
and the signage is up but they

2565
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:44,080
anticipate you know completion

2566
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,080
around this time next year

2567
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:48,080
and the

2568
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:50,080
police and fireblock redevelopment

2569
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:52,080
the closing on that property

2570
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:54,080
is scheduled for September 30th

2571
02:13:54,080 --> 02:13:58,080
the highway

2572
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:00,080
just keeping back up to the

2573
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:02,080
top highway or

2574
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:04,080
on the first page highway 33

2575
02:14:04,080 --> 02:14:06,080
that paving is still

2576
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:08,080
scheduled to be completed in September

2577
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:10,080
they're working on

2578
02:14:10,080 --> 02:14:12,080
still on on curb and

2579
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:14,080
and the city is

2580
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:16,080
paying for

2581
02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:18,080
two turn lanes to be installed

2582
02:14:18,080 --> 02:14:20,080
one for the police and fire building

2583
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:22,080
and one for the Shannon farm

2584
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,080
across from

2585
02:14:24,080 --> 02:14:26,080
Sweetwater Boulevard

2586
02:14:26,080 --> 02:14:28,080
and speaking of the police and fire building

2587
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:30,080
that of course is now occupied

2588
02:14:30,080 --> 02:14:32,080
by our police and fire departments

2589
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:34,080
and

2590
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:36,080
I expect

2591
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:38,080
close out of that project sometime in

2592
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:40,080
October and it's also when

2593
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:42,080
the

2594
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:44,080
when the grand opening will be

2595
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:46,080
or the I should say that

2596
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:50,080
ribbon cutting and open house

2597
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:54,080
I don't know if there's any questions about any of the projects there's a lot of them there

2598
02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:58,080
number of them we touched on tonight

2599
02:14:58,080 --> 02:15:00,080
just that the

2600
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:02,080
buildings that the fire and the police are in

2601
02:15:02,080 --> 02:15:04,080
are they're hosting a sale of

2602
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,080
unused old equipment

2603
02:15:06,080 --> 02:15:08,080
and so

2604
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:10,080
those buildings are

2605
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:12,080
not yet cleared out completely

2606
02:15:12,080 --> 02:15:14,080
correct correct yeah

2607
02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:16,080
do we know when that

2608
02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:18,080
is going to happen that sale

2609
02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:20,080
or is it completely online

2610
02:15:20,080 --> 02:15:22,080
I think it is known but I don't

2611
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:24,080
I don't know I don't have that you know

2612
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:26,080
Joe DeBore is

2613
02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:28,080
it's something like

2614
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:30,080
September 18-23

2615
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:32,080
or something and I think it is just

2616
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:34,080
online that you would bid is my

2617
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:36,080
understanding

2618
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:38,080
right so there's the opportunity

2619
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:40,080
for the public to

2620
02:15:40,080 --> 02:15:44,080
I left over chairs, tables, desks

2621
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:48,080
so yeah

2622
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:54,080
any other questions about any

2623
02:15:54,080 --> 02:15:56,080
of the items under

2624
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:58,080
reports and then Roger

2625
02:15:58,080 --> 02:16:00,080
has a quick report

2626
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:02,080
you may have noticed there's

2627
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:04,080
some work going on for traffic

2628
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:06,080
control up by the

2629
02:16:06,080 --> 02:16:08,080
exit 100 interchange

2630
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,080
yeah so

2631
02:16:10,080 --> 02:16:12,080
you can see the lights are all strong

2632
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:14,080
and everything's powered

2633
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:16,080
the new lights are having

2634
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:18,080
an issue communicating with

2635
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:20,080
the old lights

2636
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:22,080
our lights

2637
02:16:22,080 --> 02:16:24,080
the lights that we own

2638
02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:26,080
so that they're working through

2639
02:16:26,080 --> 02:16:28,080
that process and they expect in

2640
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:30,080
about a week so like September

2641
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:32,080
2nd September 3rd that

2642
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:34,080
that all those signals will be

2643
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,080
talking to each other and

2644
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,080
communicating and operational

2645
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:44,080
I presume we have a fairly old

2646
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:46,080
controller in there at this point

2647
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:48,080
say it again I assume our

2648
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:50,080
controller is fairly old by

2649
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,080
the standards of what they're doing

2650
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,080
that's the problem it's our

2651
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:56,080
controller and we actually do have

2652
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,080
plans to upgrade our

2653
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:00,080
signals but at this point in time

2654
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:02,080
I kind of want to see if we can

2655
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:04,080
fit that in during a little

2656
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:06,080
traffic period that

2657
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:08,080
Vantage has or if they know about

2658
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,080
or certainly not during a peak

2659
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:12,080
traffic problem so

2660
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:14,080
and then we'll change from

2661
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,080
induction loop detection on our

2662
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,080
signals to cameras

2663
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,080
not flock cameras just

2664
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:22,080
regular old cameras

2665
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:26,080
Alright any other questions?

2666
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:28,080
The railroad is closing a couple

2667
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,080
of the crossings for maintenance

2668
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:32,080
do we know exactly what

2669
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:34,080
they're doing there

2670
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,080
or because I saw

2671
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:38,080
maritime drive is closed

2672
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,080
this week Oakland is going to be

2673
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,080
closed next week

2674
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:44,080
I would assume it's the

2675
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:46,080
both the same for both but they

2676
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:48,080
said they're doing a full

2677
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:50,080
rebuild of the crossing

2678
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:52,080
because I had asked about

2679
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:54,080
bicycle passage on Oakland and

2680
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:56,080
they'll have to set up a detour

2681
02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:58,080
route for the inner urban

2682
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:00,080
because of that but

2683
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,080
they're also planning

2684
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:04,080
work on the KW crossing

2685
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,080
up by Dixie Road

2686
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,080
so not in our jurisdiction

2687
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:10,080
but if you're driving KW

2688
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,080
that's another

2689
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:14,080
barrier I guess

2690
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:16,080
hard to imagine

2691
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,080
being proactive on a

2692
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,080
crossing

2693
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:22,080
they must be trying to get

2694
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:24,080
favor for a merger or

2695
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:26,080
something

2696
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:28,080
Alright anyone else have any

2697
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:30,080
questions?

2698
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:32,080
No

2699
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:34,080
then that will move us to

2700
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,080
Chairman's business I do not

2701
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:38,080
have any so item 15 members

2702
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:40,080
liaison's business

2703
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,080
Any members of any business?

2704
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,080
I'll just throw one other item

2705
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:46,080
out that we had a meeting with

2706
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:48,080
some vantage staff this morning

2707
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:50,080
and they plan on having

2708
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:52,080
a community events

2709
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:54,080
open house

2710
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:56,080
open house wasn't the term they

2711
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:58,080
used but on September 10th

2712
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:00,080
that inventors

2713
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,080
so unfortunately a lot of people

2714
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:04,080
left but hopefully there's people

2715
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,080
still listening online

2716
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,080
if you have questions for

2717
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:10,080
them

2718
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:12,080
if you have any questions

2719
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,080
you need to talk to them

2720
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:16,080
Alright any other members

2721
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:18,080
business? Seeing none

2722
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:20,080
our next meeting is

2723
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:22,080
September 8th 2026

2724
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:24,080
at 530

2725
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,080
I will be out of town

2726
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:28,080
so Nick will have to take

2727
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,080
charge and wrangle the meeting

2728
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:32,080
so I'll bring

2729
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,080
item 17 adjournment

2730
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:36,080
we have a motion to adjourn

2731
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,080
motion by

2732
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,080
Alderman Miller as 0-2

2733
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,080
2nd

2734
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,080
All those in favor say aye

2735
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:46,080
Opposed?

2736
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,080
We are adjourned