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Questioning common council meeting for August 4th, 2026.

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All council members are present.

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Please join with me for the Pledge of Allegiance,

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which tonight will be led by the United States

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as newest Eagle Scout will.

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Come on up, Will.

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Right here is good.

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And tell us when to start.

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Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Will.

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All right, this time we have public comments and appearances.

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Individuals wishing to speak to the common council

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have up to three minutes per speaker

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and the council will hold it to a maximum

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of 30 minutes this evening.

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Is there anyone who is here to make public comments?

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Name and address.

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My name is Dean Wiegert.

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My address is 3708 East Northport Drive

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in the town of Port.

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The Sierra Club is suing the Wisconsin DNR,

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claiming that the DNR issued permits for the data center

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without fully evaluating the project's

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environmental consequences.

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The lawsuit comes after emails obtained

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through a public records request revealed

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that the DNR staff initially informed

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data center representatives

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that a detailed environmental impact statement

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and EIS would be required due to the scope

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and scale of the project.

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After the data center representatives complained

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that an EIS would quote,

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kill the project, the DNR reversed course

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and decided to conduct a more limited environmental analysis

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summary.

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The agencies never publicly explained that decision.

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According to the DNR website,

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the purpose of an EIS is to inform decision makers

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and the public about the anticipated environmental

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and socioeconomic effects of a proposed action or project

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and alternatives to the proposal.

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Those who were involved in these discussions

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and decisions may try to minimize the issue,

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but the fact is that vantage themselves said

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an environmental impact statement would quote,

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kill the project.

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Ask yourself what our governor did,

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what our DNR did, what the mayor did

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when told that an environmental impact statement

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would kill the project.

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Did they try to convince vantage

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that Wisconsin law requires environmental review

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and public input and that Port Washington residents

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deserve this level of scrutiny?

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Hopefully the lawsuit will reveal what they did.

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Text messages between vantage employees

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and the mayor were released.

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This is one brief exchange documented.

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September 23rd, 2025, unidentified vantage employee

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quote, have you heard anything from the WDNR this week?

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We got a request from the governor's office

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for more information about why an EIS

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would kill the project.

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Seemingly they're not convinced, end quote,

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response from the mayor, quote,

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I'm meeting with them on Thursday, Secretary of DNR, unquote.

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Let's hope we get some transparency about that meeting.

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Environmental review is about transparency

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as much as it is about science said an attorney

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for the group representing the Sierra Club.

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When a data center developers aren't forthright

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with the public and regulators aren't willing

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to hold them accountable,

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it's difficult to understand the true environmental impact

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of a single project must less the combined impact

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of multiple hyperscale data centers.

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The EIS process exists for moments exactly like this.

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It requires government agencies to step back,

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examine the whole picture and explain its decisions.

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Instead, regulators abandoned environmental review

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without ever telling the public why.

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Thank you for your time.

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APPLAUSE

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Any other speakers?

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Namin address please.

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Tracy Finch, Port Washington, Wisconsin.

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I'm speaking tonight because residents deserve honesty

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and basic protection.

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And right now we're getting either from Vantage

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or from other city leadership.

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Vantage is asking to run three private wells

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during construction, we keep hearing it's a temporary

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and low impact, but 12,000 gallons a day is not small.

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That's the daily water use of 12 to 6 to 12 family farms

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pulled straight out from Port Washington's groundwater

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every single day up to two years refill.

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And no, anyone else who knows groundwater

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doesn't magically refill.

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When a corporation draws that much water,

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the risks are real.

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Low water tables, pressure changes

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and long-term impacts on neighbors' private wells.

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And if something goes wrong, residents pay the price,

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not Vantage.

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The DNR already reduced Vantage's pumping request

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because the original plan raised concerns.

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That should make our city slow down

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and take a hard, independent look.

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Instead, we have watched the mayor

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prove whatever Vantage is asked for,

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almost automatically, grants it.

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That's careless.

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And it's not how you protect a community's water.

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Residents have been asking the same basic questions

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for months.

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Why is a private corporation allowed to tap our groundwater

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at all when municipal water is available?

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Why weren't independent hydrolysts brought in

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before permits were even considered?

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Why are temporary requests retreated like guarantees

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when temporary infrastructure often becomes permanent?

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And why is Vantage simply running a temporary piping

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from the south end of their property

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to bring municipal water to the north end along Lake Drive?

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We're told these wells will be abandoned in 18 to 24 months,

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but that's no enforcement plan.

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No penalties, no monitoring

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and no guaranteed residents will be notified

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if problems show up.

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That's not oversight.

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That's wishful thinking.

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And let me end with this.

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Vantage keeps saying that they care about the neighbors,

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but their actions show the opposite.

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They pushed ahead with plans

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to put our ground waters at risk.

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They ignore residents' concerns.

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They treat this community like box to check,

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not people whose waters are well-being matter.

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And what's this up then for buying more town property

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for more data centers or even housing workers?

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Their pattern is clear.

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They didn't just overlook poor Washington residents.

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These steam rolled us.

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Poor Washington residents are not an obstacle to development.

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We are the people who live with the consequences.

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We deserve leadership that protects our water,

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our safety and our trust.

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And we deserve a city that stops rubber-stamping bandages,

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requests under independent experts,

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confirm our ground water and our community are safe.

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Thanks.

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Next speaker.

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Hi, I'm Amanda Bell, and I'm at

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Passion Road in Partyville, Wisconsin.

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Good evening.

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My name is Amanda Bell.

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I'm a hydrologist, and I spent 24 years

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with the U.S. Geological Survey,

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serving as the deputy director of the Upper Midwest Water

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Center and overseeing the groundwater science

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in Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

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I'm here because the well-permitting on this site

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raises big documented questions.

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And the people in this room

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deserve straight answers before you vote on anything more.

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From the public record,

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Vantage is asked to pump 60 gallons a minute

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out of old residential wells.

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Some over 60 years old,

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they were only ever tested at 12 to 20 gallons per minute

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when they were built.

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DNR approved those lower numbers,

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but still well above what those wells were tested to handle.

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Where is the updated engineering data showing

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that these wells can actually sustain

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that level of pumping safely?

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The combined system comes out to just over 100,000 gallons a day,

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which is the exact legal limit

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that defines a high-capacity well.

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That's not close to it.

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That's the limit.

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Why that number and not any

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with real regulatory investigative teeth?

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State rules require high-capacity wells

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to be sealed with neat cement ground.

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The construction record on file for these wells

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show they were sealed with bed-night, clay, and drill cuttings,

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the standard for an old farmhouse.

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Not what's required for high-capacity use.

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Has anyone, anywhere,

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confirmed that these wells actually meet

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that high-capacity standard?

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Right now, who's checking?

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As it stands, Vantage reports its own well-usage data

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to the state once a year.

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I've not found any independent monitoring

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built into this approval.

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Why not?

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You were elected to represent the people in this room.

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Last month's residents brought these same questions

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to your Board of Public Works

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and were told to be quiet or leave.

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That's not listening,

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and that's not the promise you made

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because you asked for their votes.

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So here's my ask to you.

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Before any well permit moves forward,

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direct staff to get written answers

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from the DNR and from Vantage.

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We need well-construction standards,

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the actual approved capacity for each of the wells,

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real monitoring, and a firm end date

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when these wells will be decommissioned.

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Share those answers with the public before you vote again,

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and don't approve what you can't yet explain

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to the people that you were elected to represent.

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Are there any other speakers?

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Yes, sir.

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Name and address?

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Good evening.

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I'm John Janssen, 5939,

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Osaki Road, West Bend, Wisconsin,

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and I'm a local hydrogeologist.

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I've got just about 50 years of experience

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managing groundwater in high-capacity wells.

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So I was asked by some of the local residents

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to take a look at the wells that are being operated

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on the Vantage site,

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and what I found was some conflicting information

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on the pumping rates and the well construction.

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I think it's important that the city be sure

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about the conditions and operation of the wells

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before they make any decisions on these wells.

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Specifically, I'm concerned that two of the three wells

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do not appear to be grouted to current high-capacity standards.

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That increases the possibility that these wells could be a conduit

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for surface contamination into the aquifer.

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One of the wells is over 60 years old.

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I'm also concerned about past permit applications

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that I've seen to increase the capacity of three of the well pumps

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to 60 gallons per minute with no testing

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or discussion of the potential impacts.

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This particular permit was never signed or dated,

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so it's not really clear if the work was ever conducted.

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Currently, two of the wells are permitted at 20 gallons per minute

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and a third is permitted at 30 gallons per minute.

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That makes this a high-capacity well property.

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A fourth well is permitted at 20 gallons per minute,

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but it's been abandoned.

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So it's really not clear how much advantage plans to pump

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and how well the pumping will be monitored.

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So I'm not sure what authority the city has over these wells,

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but I think it would be critical to ask the DNR advantage

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for clear information on the pumping rate of each well,

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the monitoring of daily pumping that will be going on,

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and confirm that the construction of the wells

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are up to current capacity for high-capacity well properties.

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I think it would be wise for the city to make this information public.

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It's already public information, regardless of whatever NDA you have signed.

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It would serve the citizens to have this information made public.

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It would reduce the degree of fear of some of the neighbors in the area,

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and it would possibly begin to restore some of the lost trust in local government.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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APPLAUSE

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Next speaker, name and address.

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Sebastian Elicher, poor Washington, ward 1.

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I want to offer a comment on the appointments of members to boards.

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I believe the public should be informed not just about individuals that did get appointed,

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but also about individuals that did not get appointed.

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We gain an insight into whose expertise got appointed

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and whose expertise did not get appointed.

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I also want to offer a comment about the capital plan that is on today's agenda.

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This is a great document.

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It offers a lot of transparency.

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Transparency triggers questions as it should.

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That's why people are asking for transparency, so they can ask follow-up questions.

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Several things stand out about this document.

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First of all, there is a $10 million shortfall when it comes to the Creek Restoration Project.

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The capital plan says, grand not secured.

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That strikes me as administrative language for we don't have the money.

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The document makes a distinction between funds that are generated from bonds,

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so the city getting into debt, and funds generated through property taxes.

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The total number of funds generated from property taxes is left blank in the document.

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It's red, and there is no number.

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It's just access.

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My question here is, what are we going to do?

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What are the ideas about the $10 million shortfall for the Creek Restoration Project,

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which has become a bit of an image project, I guess?

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It's further unclear in Appendix A and B which items are infrastructure

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and which items are heavy equipment projects.

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That has direct implications for the plan and for the generation of funds.

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In fact, the separation of the two is not straightforward when you zoom into individual projects.

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And finally, some of the costs for individual items does not add up.

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So just one example is Project 6.2.

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That's the control building down the marina.

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So the overall cost for that project is $110,000.

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Looking at the Excel spreadsheet, the cost listed there is $65,000.

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So how does this end up for the overall capital plan over a duration of 10 years?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker and name and address.

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My name is John Grinwald.

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I live at 1864 Terrace Drive.

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I already know some of you, but I wanted to simply introduce myself and my situation to the rest of you.

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For about the past year, my neighbors and I have been asking questions about the construction plan near our neighborhood

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related to the data center and the Valley Creek Project.

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Our concern has never been whether the data center should or shouldn't be here.

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That's all fine.

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We voted for representatives to make these decisions and you're working on that.

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But our concern has always been much simpler, that the planning be thorough and that existing neighborhoods

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and the people that live here not be negatively impacted.

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On February 20th, that concern for our neighborhood became personal.

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My home, which has never experienced this before, suddenly began taking on water at a level required

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are some pumps to run continuously.

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They have not stopped since.

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We have taken on significant mitigation measures and continue to work on the situation.

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Then last week, our family experienced a sanitary sewer backup that caused significant damage to our basement

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and further turned our lives upside down, as well as several others in our neighborhood.

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Those events have changed how we look at our home.

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Instead of feeling secure, we're asking questions we shouldn't have to ask right now.

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How do we rebuild?

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How do we know this won't happen again?

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How do we regain confidence that our home is safe?

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I appreciate that the city and everyone involved is investigating what's happened.

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And I hope that the investigation is thorough, transparent and focused on understanding both why this occurred

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and what changes are needed to make sure this doesn't happen again.

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My concerns also extend beyond my own property.

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Today, it may be my family and a few of my neighbors.

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But I worry about everyone else on Terrace Drive and all the nearby streets and neighborhoods

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that could experience similar problems in the future.

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I understand you're considering the city's capital plan tonight and in the near future.

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I would simply ask that as you prioritize these projects, as we've been asking for a year,

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you give serious consideration to the infrastructure serving our neighborhoods

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and identify the cause of our problems and invest in the solutions we're needed

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so that none of this happens again.

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Appreciate the urgency of the matters.

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I'll be continuing to attend these meetings, asking a lot of questions and staying engaged

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because this isn't just politics for me.

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It's about protecting my family, my home, my neighbors.

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Yeah, thanks for your time.

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And thank you very much for Roger.

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I think I saw him in here for helping save my Christmas tree out of my flooding basement.

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That was really great.

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So, thanks.

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Mr. Grumold, thank you for your comments tonight and I do appreciate you working with Roger

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and the team and vantage on that issue as we will continue to do everything we can.

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Next speaker, name and address.

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Kim Tydrick, 4, 4, 6, 5, Wilders Way, town of Port, so excuse me.

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There seems to be a recurring theme here and it's about transparency.

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And I know you guys are tired of me being here and bitching.

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I'm tired of becoming here and bitching, but I'm also tired of the lack of respect from

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all of you.

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If you're tired of us, you're tired of us, then give us some answers.

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Make vantage, give us some answers.

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The first sign of good governance I saw was a month ago at the Board of Public Works meeting.

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Two Aldermen actually asked questions related to some of the public comments that people had made.

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The first questions I'd heard anyone ask in the year and a half, almost two years,

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that I've been coming to these meetings to try to get answers.

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Why is that?

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Why are you guys all just rubber stamping whatever data center, whatever vantage says?

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It's sick.

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You were elected by the people to represent them, not to represent vantage and the mayor.

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Let's be real.

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You're working, acting more like minions than you are like Alderpeople.

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You wanted this job.

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You stood for election.

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Now stand for the people who did elect you.

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Ask questions and don't move forward with things until you get answers.

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And you know what I'm tired of hearing?

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Well, vantage says, vantage is going to.

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Vantage lies.

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They've lied about just about everything that has affected our area.

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They've lied about being a good neighbor.

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They are anything but good neighbors.

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They're subcontractors and contractors drive like maniacs.

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Everyone in my neighborhood has an example of almost being hit by a dump truck or even just a pickup truck from someone that's tired of working and wants out of there.

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I literally can't leave my home anymore without being on camera, which no one warned us about.

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Why shouldn't I be able to drive out of my neighborhood without being on those goddamn flock cameras?

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That is an invasion of everything that Americans hold dear.

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Kim, I appreciate your comments.

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Please stop swearing.

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Thank you.

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Then please give us answers.

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It's really pretty simple.

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Give us answers.

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Respond to our questions both verbally and in writing.

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And we expect answers from you and from Vantage as you should expect answers from Vantage.

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The other thing I have a concern about, and I'm not a citizen of the city anymore.

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However, I find it very concerning that you're basically giving up crime property in the downtown area for nothing.

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Everyone should turn about that too.

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Thank you.

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Any other public comments?

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Okay, we're going to move into the agenda then.

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The consent agenda is for the approval of the minutes from the previous meeting.

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Is there anyone willing to make such a motion?

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So moved.

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Motion and a second.

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Any questions or concerns on the motion?

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Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye.

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Opposed?

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Okay, the motion carries.

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That brings us into Mayor's business.

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Before we get into the proclamation, I do want to address some of the things said this evening during public comments.

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First of all, to the hydrologists and the people who came tonight.

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The Council is not taking action on anything with the wells this evening or foreseeable future that stays with the Board of Public Works.

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We do appreciate that work.

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There was never an NDA signed Vantage and we can put this out on our Facebook page in the next day or two.

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We can give you exactly what the utilization plan is, how much they will use.

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I will ask our team to look into the well containment issues that you brought up this evening.

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Those are good questions that were asked.

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They asked for temporary use of those wells because they do not have city water and they were looking to use two of the wells to

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the documents here say water from the two wells will feed two holding tanks that will be used for temporary uses in the offices that are set up there.

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So the draw, etc.

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So we can put those facts out for you to see.

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And if the hydrologists want to email the city, we can get you all that information.

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We'd love to have another opinion on that.

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And then finally, as we move into the agenda this evening, again, please watch for those postings so that when you do drive here,

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that you know what we are and we are not taking action on and we do appreciate your comments.

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With that, Will, if you could come on up to the front here, please.

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Council and community, I'd like to introduce you to Will Diamond.

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Will is a scout with the best pack in Port Washington 855.

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Will is an eagle scout.

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If you're not familiar with what an eagle scout is, an eagle scout is a young man, woman or person who dedicates themselves to a long journey of personal fulfillment,

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growth and empowerment.

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You can see across Will's chest there, all the patches that he has to earn in order to get himself through the ranks.

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Starting, I'm guessing, as a cub scout, we below to a boy scout, correct?

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And Will Howell, are you?

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I am 15.

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And what's the youngest you can become an eagle scout?

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Thank you.

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15.

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Your badges require each.

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Which is virtually impossible at 13.

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15 is pretty impressive.

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We've had eagle scouts here who showed up the day before their 18th birthday.

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So I'm very proud of you for not procrastinating, making that commitment at 15 years old.

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You can't drive, but you can represent scouts in an amazing way.

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So we're very proud of you for that.

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Will worked with the City of Port Washington for his eagle scout project,

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and I'm going to read his proclamation into the record to ensure that the community knows what this young man has given to the city.

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So whereas the rank of eagle scout is the highest and most prestigious award a young person can achieve with the boy scouts of America,

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representing years of discipline, effort, leadership, and a steadfast commitment to the scout oath and law.

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Whereas Will is a dedicated member of Port Washington's own troop 855 and has successfully completed the rigorous requirements for his rank,

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joining an elite group of individuals, historically representing only 4% to 6% of all scouts,

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who possess the character and perseverance to reach this summit.

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Will has demonstrated exceptional personal initiative by studying for and earning the extensive array of merit badges required to become an eagle scout,

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proving his proficiency in diverse fields ranging from environmental science to citizenship in the world.

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Will has further distinguished himself with through his eagle service project,

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a lasting contribution to our local environment and community, which involved the beautification of a nature trail.

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His hard work in preparing trail paths, constructing quality bench seating for weary hikers,

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and adding birdhouses to support our local wildlife has enhanced the natural beauty for outdoor enthusiasts to enjoy.

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Whereas as a proud former member of 855 myself, it brings me immense personal joy and scout spirit

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to see a fellow brother from our troop continue the legacy in service and leadership that has defined our community for generations.

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Now, therefore, I, Mayor Ted Nitsky of the City of Port Washington,

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do hereby proclaim my heartiest congratulations to Will on achieving the rank of eagle scout,

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and I commend him for his dedication to his troop, and we're honored to call him a citizen of Port Washington and our own.

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Congratulations, Will.

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Will, could you go over the microphone?

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I have two questions for you that I wanted to ask.

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You were not prepared for this, but you are an eagle scout, so you are ready for everything.

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So, Will, one of the questions that I enjoy hearing is of all of your merit badges,

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which merit badge was the most difficult for you to earn?

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That would be the cooking merit badge.

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Two years to complete.

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Two years to complete?

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And why is that?

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Mostly because it was hard to get all of the cooking done for an entire camp out.

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I'd have to go to multiple summer camps.

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I'd have to cook for every single person on an entire weekend camp out.

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So, I'd be the only one cooking, and that was hard to do.

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That is excellent.

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And then my second question, which was the most rewarding merit badge for you?

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The most empowering that you learned and grew the most from?

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One of the four citizenship merit badges.

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Now there's three, but all four of them I learned a lot from, because they each have different aspects.

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They cover a lot, and they each took time, and I learned a lot of really cool stuff with it.

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And what was your favorite part of your Eagle Scout project?

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I was working with all of my friends and buddies to make the benches, cut down all the grass to lay the mulch, and set everything up.

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And do you go up there often now?

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If I have the chance to, sometimes I'll bike downtown, and then I'll go check on it.

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Yeah.

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If anyone's used it.

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Well, on behalf of myself and the council, we're very proud of you.

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We're very grateful for your commitment and for your energy and effort in becoming an Eagle Scout.

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So congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We'll come right over here so you can come and take a picture of us.

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Okay.

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You go first.

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Your family.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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All right, under the next agenda item for the mayor's business is the appointments of members of boards committees and commissions.

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Under the public works board, we have an applicant in my recommendation of Ross Brooks and then under the Board of Zoning and Appeals, Doug McManus and Dave Peeringer.

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Any questions or is there someone willing to make a motion for their approval?

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I'll move to approve.

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Motion is there a second?

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Second.

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Moved and seconded. Any questions or concerns on the motion?

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All right, seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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All right, motion carries.

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Brings us into officer and staff reports and anything for this evening.

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Just a couple things.

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The last chance for the pool is closed this month on the 23rd.

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So if you haven't been to there, get out there and enjoy the nice pool with this weather.

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I wanted to also remind everyone that this zoning code rewrite is continuing on.

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So check that out on the website.

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Bob has, I think, almost all of the drafts there.

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That'll be going to plan commission in September.

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So if you are interested in that, please take a review of that because it's a substantial

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amount of work and it very much matters.

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And then next meeting, Mark will be doing a 10 year financial outlook.

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And then later on the agenda, we'll be talking about the CIP, the 10 year.

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This is not a document that's in stone.

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This is a living, breathing document that we're bringing forward much earlier in the process.

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So that council committees, the community are able to see where we are and provide input.

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That's all I have.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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Any questions of concern for staff?

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All right.

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Seeing none, that takes us into the next agenda item.

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I'm sorry.

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Oh, Susan.

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I just wanted to take a minute to remind everyone that if you're interested in personally voting

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by absentee ballot that continues this week through Friday, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. here at

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City Hall in this chambers.

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On Friday, it is extended till 5 p.m.

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We also are doing voter registration for new voters coming to the city at the same time.

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And the election, which is the partisan primary, will be conducted this coming Tuesday and

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that will open at 7 a.m. for the polls and close at 8 p.m. on Tuesday, August 11th.

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So if anybody has any questions, they can always contact City Hall and ask for the City Clerk

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and I'd be happy to help you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you to your team and all the volunteers.

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Okay.

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That takes us to the next agenda item, which is consideration and possible action on safe

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built contract for building inspection services.

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The issue is should the City contract with safe built for building inspection services

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and the staff is recommending that we do.

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Melissa.

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Thank you.

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And the what comes up on the screen is for the next agenda item.

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So disregard that for right now.

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Many of you already heard this at personnel in GGF.

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Our building inspector left in July.

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We did a search.

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It's difficult to find a building inspector that can do all of the things that a city

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our size needs to.

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So tonight we're asking for approval for a one year contract to work with a company

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called safe built who works with Menominee Falls, Germantown, other things, other organizations

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that have given them positive feedback to take on the role of building inspector.

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Right now we have like three inspectors still in town that help us with commercial properties

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and they've been extremely helpful, especially to get us through this, but over the years.

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And this service will be sort of a full service to the community on building inspections for

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plumbing, electrical, the whole gamut.

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So that's what this is.

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It's fee based and we intend to bring it back probably eight months from now we talked about

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it at GGF.

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I'll be bringing it back just updates on how things are going, feedback from the community.

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But this is more of a one stop shop for the community that is developing and or doing

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projects for permitting.

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So I'm asking for permission to enter into a contract with them for that one year with

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the understanding we'll review, make sure it's right for the community, make sure it's right

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for the city and go from there.

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Thanks for clarification.

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Our building inspector retired.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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He hung on long long time for us.

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So we appreciate him.

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Good old Gary.

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Any questions or concerns?

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Mr. Gasper.

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So does this replace electrical and plumbing inspected inspecting as well that this will

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replace those inspectors or there are those individuals staying on too?

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Those individuals are working with us to get us through this transition period and

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then also all of our current projects that are going on right now.

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We are keeping that outside of that contract.

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If they will continue to help us, we will continue to use them.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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But I honestly think it's more of them helping the city.

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It's not lucrative for them and their trade is the lucrative and they've been helping us

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out immensely.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Ben, I'll just add it to GGF.

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We went through this in quite a bit of detail.

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And I think the biggest challenge that we've had is trying to find candidates.

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It was advertised.

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We had no candidates that applied for it.

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I think this is going to be a good solution to carry us forwards to help with all the

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permitting and inspections that we need to do.

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So with that, I'll make the motion to approve the agreement.

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There's a motion to approve.

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Is there a second?

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I'll second it.

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Second?

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Yes.

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Any questions or concerns on the motion?

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Well, the only reason why I feel confident seconding it is because I sat through GDF.

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It would have been nice if that would have been televised because everyone would hear

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what they all talked about, which was quite intense.

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And I think it would have answered a lot of people's questions that they have them out

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in the audience.

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So, but I'm still...

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Second.

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Okay.

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With the editorial.

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Yeah.

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There's a motion and a second.

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Any other questions on the motion?

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All right.

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Seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Okay.

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Motion carries.

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It brings us to the next agenda item, which is consideration and possible action on a 10-year

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capital improvement plan, 2027 through 2036.

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The issue is should the Common Council approve the planning, direction and framework for

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the 10-year capital improvement plan as presented?

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And the staff is recommending approval of the planning direction proposed in a 10-year

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capital improvement plan as presented.

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Melissa, before you begin, I just wanted to say thank you to you and the staff who are

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here tonight and all staff who participated in this.

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This is something that we asked for when you were hired and prior so that the city could

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act with great stewardship moving forward in the future to understand what potential

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liabilities were still ahead and are ahead so that all future councils can plan for that

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as we shift our taxation and our budgets in the future.

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This is a very comprehensive report and I really, really appreciate everything from the

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photographic evidence to the detailed pieces in there.

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There's public comment this evening about some of it being incomplete because, again,

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it's a 10-year plan and we don't have a forecast for those different pieces or those funding

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pieces.

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So I really, really appreciate you, the team, the time and effort as well as the council

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members who participated in the development of this and the expectations.

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So thank you for that and the floor is yours.

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Thank you.

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Eric, can you help me get that up on the screen?

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This one, yes.

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I might have a Rob computer.

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I have some commentary before so I can let you do that.

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So like the mayor said, this document, the fear is always to put out a piece of a document

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that's not perfect because you get feedback and the purpose of the CIP tonight is to not

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say this is set in stone and this is not a perfect document.

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We are in the process of the budget process.

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The purpose of tonight is to show the 10-year plan and to get a consensus of this is the

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direction we're going and this is the way we want to move forward in our next 10 years.

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We have a substantial amount of projects.

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I think we have 35 projects or 30 projects this year and I think we have another 30 next

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year.

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So it is important that we're all aligned on where we're moving forward to.

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So again, we appreciate feedback and questions along the way and I know some of the council

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members want their committees to get more involved and we appreciate that so we're trying

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to get out ahead of when the budget is due.

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So I want to also recognize the fact that we went from planning one year at a time maybe

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six, seven years ago to where we are now and that's a substantial improvement for the city,

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for the city residents, for staff planning and that's been driven by this council and

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the staff has done an immense amount of work.

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Seamark here, he's put in hours and hours on this 10-year plan process.

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Then I also wanted to just note this, what we don't have accounted for tonight and I know

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I've talked to some of the council members about, this does not account for City Hall,

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the future of like the City Hall, future of a library, senior center and what's the

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community pool recreation.

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These, we're in maintenance mode on those but we don't have a large capital plan for

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any of those facilities and we are working on how much those facilities will cost us

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and we're doing everything we can for preventative maintenance on the facilities that we have

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so we can keep them as long as we can, that's the better use of resources, it doesn't

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like me.

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It's just not, it's not allowing me to clone to share the screen, it's for some reason

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there's a large delay on it.

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But I will tell you that there is, Rob did an hour presentation at Public Works so I

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think five of you through committees have already seen this plan and it was included

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in the packet and it's an update from last year so we don't actually have to go through

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the spreadsheet, it's unfortunate but we have a few things in here that like the pebble

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house, the price, the cost of that project is about doubled and so we're going to be

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seeking some feedback from the council on what we would like us to do to manage some

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of those costs and if that's still where we want to go with the projects.

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And then lastly, I mean we have to really think about the priorities of the, you know,

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in the next ten years, yes we have this TID 5 but we also have our own projects and the

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Valley Creek project I know has come up a couple times and there's several questions

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about that project and that's a later agenda item.

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So does anyone have any questions on the actual plan?

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Like I put in my memo, you can link to that Public Works meeting where it was and I mean

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I think you did about an hour of all of these so if anybody from the community goes to just

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this memo that's right on the agenda, you can watch the, I call it the show but watch

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the video on it and it's very comprehensive on what the ten year plan is and they have

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all the materials for all these projects that's about this thick.

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We do actually have all of the department heads that are with the, with Public Works

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if any of you have specific questions about specific projects, we ask them to attend in

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case you did have questions.

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Are there any questions or comments for the?

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No, I just echo what Melissa said.

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We've gone through this.

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I know Rob went through it with Board of Public Works because the majority of the projects,

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not all of them, but a majority of them fall under the Board of Public Works and as you

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alluded to, this has been an evolving process over the last five plus years to actually

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have this, have the planning put together.

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The thing that's neat on the end is we now have an equipment list and a vehicle list

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and know when those things need to be replaced so that again we can look out ten years and

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see what has to come in years past.

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I know when I first started in council it was all surprised we needed to replace this truck

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or it was surprised we needed to replace that truck.

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Now we've got the information for ourselves but also future councils.

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Rob, first of all, yes.

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This list is great but as Melissa had mentioned, there were what, 35 projects this year and

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30 more next year, that's a lot of money.

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But I can't, I'm having difficulty seeing how these projects can be managed successfully

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in this volume.

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I guess this is a question for the Director of Public Works.

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What is your opinion on managing these projects, this volume of projects for the rest of this

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year and next year?

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Sure, it's a lot.

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We're used to having a lot of projects so, but a number of them we do, you know, we

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do hire outside help for instance on, well, I should say inspection wise, we have Ross

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Krager on staff so he will inspect our street projects and our sidewalk projects.

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We also have going down the list.

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So if we do do the work on the Pebble House next year, we'll, part of the contract with

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them would be to hire legacy architects to manage that project.

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If we go ahead with the garage expansion and renovation, we would look to hire a owner's

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representative for that again since we had great success with that on the public safety

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building, Valley Creek construction.

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We would work with a stand tech to make sure that we had full-time oversight on that project.

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And I'm trying to think of some of the, any other ones specifically that?

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No, I guess what I'm trying to get at is if there are large projects that are approved

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by Council and they move forward, I could use the new safety building as the perfect example

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of checking all of the boxes of everything that I learned for project management.

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The charts, constant updates, it was, it's being completed before schedule, ahead of

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schedule and under budget.

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Other projects don't have that level of success and I guess that's my expectation going forward

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is for these big projects to have that level of oversight, that level of project management

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and to be able to do that with this number of projects, who is the man behind the curtain

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that is going to make sure that all of these are running smoothly?

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So Roger and I, of course, are responsible for seeing that all the projects remain on

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schedule and are going as planned and they do have Gantt charts like the public safety

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building.

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So when we have a, when we kick off a project, the contractors required by the contract itself

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requires him to provide a Gantt chart.

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So at the pre-construction meeting, he provides it to us so we don't share it with the Council

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or the Board of Public Works, but it's something that we refer to often in a project to make

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sure that it's, you know, staying on schedule.

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So we do have that, we just, there's been a, because of the size of the project with

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the public safety building, there's been essentially more information provided on others, but we

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do have that for all our projects.

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If I may offer an expectation, Ms. Gossett, for your team is, I think what would be really

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helpful because of the volume of projects we take on a year and then how many projects

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get carried into the next year.

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And I think all of them are impossible as we've discussed this over the years, you know,

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we assess and we tax for those projects, they don't get completed, they then carry over

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into the next budget, those dollars carrying over the next budget.

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And I think the fiduciary responsibility we have is to create a process where, as a Council

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and then the committees are in the loop as to the progress monitoring of those different

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projects.

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What I'd ask you if we can do, and you said two of my favorite words are Ganttchart.

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But if we could, if we could create a project map and then every month, it just shows those

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project maps and the, you know, green, yellow, red, are they on track, off track, are they

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in progress?

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And then I think the other piece is the financial delta, if it's above or below budget.

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And just to see that every month for a compile of the projects, I think that would help

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the executive team as you guys meet, but then most importantly, us, and the last thing

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is in that process, if we could have milestones like what to expect and when, so that the

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community can see as well as us, like if we're on track, off track and if we're hitting

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those targets, and then we can learn if not, why not?

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Just so there's a greater level of accountability to the Council and then the community can see

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where we're at in those different pieces.

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Yeah.

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Other questions or concerns?

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Mary Lou?

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I'm very happy with the capital improvement plan and I'm delighted with Mark.

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Thank you, Mark.

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I don't think you get enough recognition of all the work that you do, all the hours

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that you spend doing this.

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I know at Public Works, it may seem to announce that we talk about this stuff ad nauseam,

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but I can tell you with great confidence, I feel good about the Valley Creek project,

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only because I heard it so much, presented and repeated.

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I'm sure as educators, you know how students learn and you can't expect anyone to know

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anything the first time and only given it to them once.

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So the more information we get, the more repetitive information we get, the better we are to make

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better decisions on behalf of the city and our community as a whole.

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So I do want to thank Melissa, Rob, Mark, all the other department leaders to make

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this happen.

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Even with Park and Rec, another committee I'm on, we had not seen any budget consideration

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in the past and I think this will help make that committee a better advisory committee.

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So I thank you all for your time and are we moving on or can we make a motion at this

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point?

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You can make a motion wherever you want.

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I'll make a motion to accept as presented.

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There's a motion to approve.

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Is there a second?

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I have a comment first.

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I'm sorry, there's a motion on the floor.

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So I need a second.

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I'll take the second.

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Oh, there's a second.

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All right, Mr. Beaster, is it about the motion or do you want me to back up?

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No, I just wanted to reiterate some of the other things that were said here.

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I appreciate seeing this as a new guy who has to have a little bit of humility and apologize

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sometimes for where I'm still learning.

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This is really helpful as one of the public commenters mentioned to see this level of

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transparency and understanding of what we're spending money on.

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So just like others have said, I appreciate all the work that went into it.

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Thank you.

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All right, so there's a motion and a second on the floor.

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Are there any other questions on the motion?

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All right, seeing none, all in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Okay, motion carries.

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Staff, you guys can go home.

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No, you can seriously go home.

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You don't have or do they have to stay for the next part because it's garbage, right?

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It's not a really garbage.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right, so the next agenda item is, I'll give you guys a second.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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The next agenda item is consideration and possible action on a five-year contract for

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collection of garbage and recyclables.

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The issue is should the city of Port Washington extend its current five-year agreement with

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Harder's Lakeside's disposal for another 60 months by addendum to the original agreement.

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The staff recommends extending the current five-year agreement with Harder's Lakeside

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disposal by addendum for another five years.

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Rob?

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Okay, so five years ago, you may recall that waste management began failing in their duties

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and so the city went out and hired a new contractor for five years of garbage and recycling

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collection and that was Harder's Lakeside disposal.

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In those five years, and I've seen a lot of garbage collectors in 35 years of doing this

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and Harder's is done as well or better than anyone and I can't recall the last

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complaint I got about them.

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I've talked to the people who answered the phone here and they don't get any complaints

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either and unreached me, so we've been very happy with them.

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We did receive another proposal from GFL that's green for life, right, yes, anyhow, and so

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but Harder's was just a little bit lower and so this often happens when you renew contractors

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they're able to find some savings in their contract and so as a result of this we're

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going to actually cut our costs for the next couple of years over this past year so we're

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very excited to have Harder's back for another five years and again the cost savings to the

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city is approximately $50,000 next year and even $13,000 this year so like doing this

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here from Harder's and if there's any questions but otherwise I just feel that this is really

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good news for the city.

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I just want to compliment them when I've had to call you folks, you're very receptive,

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people were very friendly, neighbors garbage didn't get picked up, you came right back

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that day, thank you very much, it was a big thing for the neighbors.

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Other comments or questions?

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Question Rob, does this contract include provisions as we extend an annex property on the west

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side, the north side, south side, is there provisions in there because our service area

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is expanding out and it's quite a distance out on the north side where those residences

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are still on LL?

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You know, we're expanding all the time and so there's we are continuing to add customers

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every day and every year and so there's nothing prohibiting that, there's no concerns, I mean

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because just literally the distance, I'm not, I mean you want to address this at the

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microphone sir, yeah, Chris, there's no issues we've actually met, I believe a year and a

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half ago or two years ago that talked about the growth of the city and potential changes

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to the route and those conversations will continue to happen, right?

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Also those are ways that we can help reduce costs, is adding days, sometimes losing a

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day but with the growth of the city that is one thing we will be coming forth within the

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next three to four months as a different routing plan which potentially would add at a day.

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So we understand the growth of the city and where it's happening and those are things

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that we just, you know, you work through them all the time as waste haulers.

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Before emotional, I just, I too want to say thank you, I mean, I've lived in my whole life,

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I've never seen the level of customer service that your drivers and haulers provide, just the

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own experience of living in my neighborhood and seeing, you know, when they pick up a

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cannon it drops or flies off and gets out of his truck, goes and fixes it. Again, when I first

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became mayor I think every week, every couple weeks we'd get a phone call about something in

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a ward or to myself and that has dried up. So I hope that you will continue that just,

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and please share with your team that we're very pleased and very proud of you guys so

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you can tell small business mindset, community driven, and we're very grateful for that.

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So and thanks for all the extra stuff you do with festivals and helping out our nonprofits

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as well. Yeah, we appreciate the relationship. Yeah. Okay, any other comments otherwise

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is someone willing to make a motion to approve the new contract? I'll move to approve the

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new contract. There's a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. We moved and seconded.

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A little slow on the button there. All right. So all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?

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All right, that motion carries. That brings us into the next agenda item. Consideration

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and possible action on the proposed, you're welcome sir. Consideration and possible action

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on the proposed Valley Creek scheduling and project cost estimates, the city's being asked

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to review this proposal. The staff is recommending approval. Mr. Vanden Hoven.

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Again, some questions came up after our June meeting where we requested approval to seek

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some grants to support the Valley Creek project. And so I have Stantec with us here tonight

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to answer some of the questions regarding scheduling and financing.

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I also have a PowerPoint presentation, which I'm going to cross my fingers will work.

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All right, so far so good.

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Okay, so I'm going to start off with just a hopefully quick recap of how we've got to where,

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why we're here, why we've been talking about Valley Creek.

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Pretty much non-stop for the last six years, or eight years really.

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And then after I make this presentation, we have Erin from Stantec who will make a short

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presentation on the effect of some of the stormwater controls that are upstream of the Creek.

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And then Sarah Majoris is here who will talk about again timeline and budgeting. So,

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anyhow, so many of you who have been living here for 30 years will remember that June 18th.

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And I wasn't here yet when this occurred, but the flooding was massive and I heard about it and

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had seen some pictures and the Ozaki Press documented well the some of the devastation that

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was caused. And so if you don't recognize this, this is the box cover that goes through

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Veterans Park and that's the outfall in the Lake Michigan. And so the of course,

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the amount of water was too great for the size of the culvert. And so that's why we're recommending

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upsizing the culvert and adding a daylighting component to it to increase the capacity.

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And then in 2008, there was a storm that affected the high rise, which unfortunately took a couple

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storms for them to recognize that they actually had a problem with their storm drainage system that

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drained the storm water from the the city street into their structure. And so once we discovered

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that and brought it to their attention, they corrected that issue and then put in some features

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in their in their parking lot that prevents the water from from getting down the driveway.

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So in 2019, we had already been working with Stantec has been handling the city's stormwater

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stormwater issues since since even before I arrived in 2001. And so they provided a list

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of alternatives that we considered, which included reprofiling the street, which turned out to be

59:52.820 --> 01:00:02.500
unworkable, a parallel culvert of a 100 year sizing, one of 500 year sizing, and then a daylighted stream.

01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:13.220
So the 100 year, the 100 year parallel culvert still was not high enough capacity to handle

01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:22.580
handle the storms that we were getting. In the parallel 500 year culvert would still

01:00:23.860 --> 01:00:29.380
result in backwater. And of course, the problem with the culvert that we've been experiencing

01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:35.540
is that all the debris in Valley Creek is washing down the creek and and either overwhelming the

01:00:35.540 --> 01:00:45.460
opening of the box culvert or the the debris rack that we had installed. And so again,

01:00:46.180 --> 01:00:52.420
that's the value of this project that we're proposing is that it not only increases the size of the

01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:59.860
culvert, it increases the capacity of the stream by daylighting it and clears up all the debris

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:05.940
in the creek. And so if that debris isn't in the creek, it's not going to wash down and and

01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:13.060
and plug the plug the culvert downstream. So and then what I like about this picture here and that

01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:20.740
next to the us in the Ozaki press, that's where we have that emergency spillway that we we built in

01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:28.740
in 2011 on Lake Street when we reconstructed Lake Street using a community development block grant.

01:01:30.260 --> 01:01:38.500
So that has been functioning in order to reduce flooding, but we're continuing to have flooding

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and this one is from 20 these pictures are from 2025. So you may remember back in early August of

01:01:44.740 --> 01:01:51.700
last year, again, we not only had flooding and veterans park, but it it entered our water

01:01:51.700 --> 01:01:58.660
filtration plant. Of course, it was highly concerning to us and and again, a great motivation for this

01:01:58.660 --> 01:02:08.340
project. So I mentioned earlier the the debris that's upstream. So not only are we experiencing

01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:16.260
washouts that's that's loading sediment into the stream and and and knocking down armored

01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:25.140
barriers to to to the creek banks. But again, we have massive amounts of debris building up

01:02:25.140 --> 01:02:31.380
every time we have erosion trees fall into the creek and and of course with just even the natural

01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:39.780
die off of ash trees. Another species debris continues to be a problem. And of course,

01:02:41.220 --> 01:02:46.020
then that localizes additionally erosion and pushes the banks back and we're getting very

01:02:46.020 --> 01:02:55.460
worried about the the stability of the creek banks, which just beyond the creek banks, we have our

01:02:55.780 --> 01:03:03.140
sewer and water transmission and collection system. So some of the renderings that that

01:03:03.140 --> 01:03:11.860
we've seen previously, this is kind of small. But this picture here, this is this is a photograph of

01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:20.020
Valley Creek just south of Norport. You can see that heavily eroded banks and down cutting to the

01:03:20.020 --> 01:03:27.620
stream. And so how that will be repaired is that the the natural floodplain will be restored.

01:03:27.620 --> 01:03:35.700
And there'll be a series of pools and riffles, which will take energy out of the the stream and

01:03:35.780 --> 01:03:49.220
heavy rain events and essentially function better for for to to for planting animal life.

01:03:51.220 --> 01:03:57.140
So this is just downstream of of hails trails. This is that if you've ever looked over the edge of

01:03:57.140 --> 01:04:04.100
the bank that city in the past again, this is before I was here, had stabilized this bank with some

01:04:04.180 --> 01:04:10.740
gravity blocks. And those have washed away a couple of times now. And so again, we're looking

01:04:10.740 --> 01:04:19.540
to stabilize the channel with green infrastructure solutions, which will again, stabilize the bank

01:04:19.540 --> 01:04:29.060
and restore its natural flow. So and then just some recent highlights and this all

01:04:29.620 --> 01:04:37.380
this really came together in 2022 with started with a grant from Fund for Lake Michigan is $150,000.

01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:45.460
We ultimately initially we looked at applying that towards just targeting some areas where

01:04:45.460 --> 01:04:53.140
the banks were most heavily eroded and that we were in the greatest fear of perhaps it cutting

01:04:53.140 --> 01:04:58.740
into our sewer and water mains. But then took another look at it. We felt if we didn't treat

01:04:59.140 --> 01:05:05.140
the creek holistically, we're constantly going to be chasing the problems caused again by downcutting

01:05:05.140 --> 01:05:16.180
and erosion. So so we turned that $150,000 grant into more of a of a universal plan for the entire

01:05:16.180 --> 01:05:24.100
watershed. With that, we were able to secure a $915,000 grant from the National Fish and Wildlife

01:05:24.100 --> 01:05:33.860
Foundation, which prompted the the award of another $500,000 from Wisconsin Coastal Management,

01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:39.060
who's taking a great interest in the project. And so that's brought us up to where we are now,

01:05:39.060 --> 01:05:47.060
where we're actually beyond the 90% design. Last year, we had a visit from Senator Baldwin,

01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:52.180
who's also shown great interest in in the project and has

01:05:55.140 --> 01:05:59.780
recommended that we make requests for congressional direct,

01:05:59.780 --> 01:06:07.140
congressionally directed funding for this project. So again, her and her staff are very

01:06:08.180 --> 01:06:13.300
supportive of this project. And so we're hoping that that could be another source of project funding

01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:20.100
in the future. So in 2025, we had in December, we had a public information meeting for stakeholders

01:06:20.100 --> 01:06:25.780
and repairing owners. And then we followed that up in February of 26 with another one targeted

01:06:25.780 --> 01:06:32.900
specifically for people just north of of Northport Drive. And then we've been submitting a number

01:06:32.900 --> 01:06:40.980
of grant applications recently, including to the DNR and NIFWIF, and I list those here.

01:06:41.380 --> 01:06:46.420
And those have all come in front of this council because they

01:06:48.100 --> 01:06:56.100
to either get a motion to approve the grant applications or in the case of the DNR,

01:06:56.100 --> 01:07:04.980
they require resolutions by the council. And so if you've missed anything or can't get enough of

01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:10.420
Valley Creek, go to our webpage. And so all the presentations that I shouldn't say all of them,

01:07:10.420 --> 01:07:16.180
but many of the presentations that we've made in the past are up on the website. You just click on

01:07:16.180 --> 01:07:22.980
it and you can see them over and over again. And we also have a story map that we hope people

01:07:22.980 --> 01:07:31.540
are finding very informative. There's drone footage of the entire basin. And so just a lot of information

01:07:31.540 --> 01:07:38.100
out there. And of course, if anyone has any questions, they can certainly send them to us any

01:07:38.100 --> 01:07:44.500
time. So that's the background. Rob, thank you very much for that comprehensive piece. And I also

01:07:44.500 --> 01:07:48.900
appreciate the website component, the historical context that you brought tonight and why this is

01:07:48.900 --> 01:07:56.500
so important for the for the sustainability of our downtown. I appreciate also, I'm just on my

01:07:56.500 --> 01:08:00.340
personal behalf that we're going to daylight the creek again and restore that back to its original

01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:04.180
piece so we don't create that bottleneck. And I think it's also important. Over time,

01:08:04.180 --> 01:08:09.540
you know, the last three major rains that we've had, you can just you go up to the

01:08:10.180 --> 01:08:15.300
bluff now and you can see the muck line that comes out of South Creek and how there's barely anything

01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:20.100
coming out of Valley Creek now. So this is ideal for us to be able to restore this and

01:08:20.900 --> 01:08:25.060
especially working all the way up to where the headwaters are and bringing that back. I think

01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:28.340
that's going to be beautiful for a really, really long time and stop a lot of the problems that

01:08:28.340 --> 01:08:33.460
are occurring. I also like the fact that the plan does not have a lot of man-made solutions

01:08:33.460 --> 01:08:38.500
like we have tried in the past. I remember as a kid, they would dump chunks of asphalt and

01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:43.300
sidewalks down there to try to stabilize the sides as well as the beach. So to see that we're using

01:08:43.300 --> 01:08:47.860
as much nature or natural processes is really, really appreciated. So thank you. Thank you.

01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:54.900
So Sharon, you're again, Aaron Volkineen and Sarah Majoris are

01:08:55.460 --> 01:08:58.020
with us. And do you want to plug into your computer?

01:09:08.580 --> 01:09:14.740
We've got a couple slides to share here, which we'll get fired up. I'm Aaron Volkine with

01:09:14.740 --> 01:09:22.020
Stantec. I'm a Water Resources Engineer and my colleague Sarah Majoris is here,

01:09:22.580 --> 01:09:24.820
Project Manager and Scientist with Stantec.

01:09:26.580 --> 01:09:31.460
Sir, if you just open up your PowerPoint and then hit Begin Program or Begin Show,

01:09:31.460 --> 01:09:34.580
it'll, it should take you to your show instead of the background. There you go.

01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:37.940
Sorry for the technology roulette.

01:09:39.220 --> 01:09:40.660
Oh, it looks like it's working good here.

01:09:40.980 --> 01:09:46.340
So we just wanted to bring forth a little bit more information about, you know,

01:09:46.340 --> 01:09:54.260
the watershed and some of the flooding conditions and how that relates to watershed conditions,

01:09:54.260 --> 01:09:59.860
past development, future development, so forth, and then, you know, have an opportunity if

01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:05.860
there's any further questions. So there's a map here of the Valley Creek watershed.

01:10:05.860 --> 01:10:11.140
The approximate boundary is shown in yellow there. The overall area of the watershed is about

01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:18.740
two and a half square miles or about 1,600 acres. You know, I've always sort of roughly

01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:25.780
conceptualized the watershed is approximately being cut in half by Interstate 43. You know,

01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:34.260
the northern part of the watershed is north of 43, you know, obviously up until recently,

01:10:34.340 --> 01:10:40.020
you know, has been mainly undeveloped, you know, some larger, you know, rural development,

01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:44.580
farming, of course, the data center is being built up there in a portion of that now.

01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:51.780
This, you know, flatter ground up there also. You get south of 43, you know, first of all,

01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:56.420
the terrain starts to get steeper. And it's also, you know, most mostly developed,

01:10:56.420 --> 01:11:01.380
there's a few parcels left and Birchwood Hills is in there, but, you know, mostly developed.

01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:08.020
There's, you know, approximately 700 acres of city area south of 43 that's in the Valley Creek

01:11:08.020 --> 01:11:16.260
watershed. It's important to note that there's not a lot of stormwater management in that area

01:11:16.260 --> 01:11:25.300
south of 43. You know, newer areas of the city, we have stormwater management, we have detention

01:11:25.300 --> 01:11:29.860
ponds, infiltration basins, green infrastructure, stuff like that. So if you go, you know, for

01:11:29.860 --> 01:11:36.660
instance, kind of the western portion of the city or, you know, southwest along 32 or the

01:11:36.660 --> 01:11:44.100
industrial park to the south, you know, you'll see, I think the city has something like 60 stormwater

01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:51.140
ponds and facilities or something like that now of varying sizes. You know, those really started

01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:57.460
being built, you know, probably in the 1990s, partly driven by regulation. There were some

01:11:57.460 --> 01:12:03.380
federal and state laws that required stormwater treatment. Also a recognition that, you know,

01:12:03.380 --> 01:12:09.220
stormwater, what was causing flooding was causing erosion and stuff like that. You know, a lot of

01:12:09.220 --> 01:12:15.620
the Valley Creek watershed, the southern half of it, you know, it's not all super old development,

01:12:15.620 --> 01:12:22.340
but a lot of it, you know, developed before we really, you know, knew or required to build stormwater

01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:29.940
management. So there's a lot of, you know, undentained urban stormwater runoff from existing city areas

01:12:29.940 --> 01:12:34.500
that, that, you know, as a substantial contributor to the flooding and the erosion problems that have

01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:45.140
been seen. We had some interesting reports, actually, from last week's rain, just wanted to show you

01:12:45.140 --> 01:12:52.100
a couple pictures. It kind of points out the flashy nature of the watershed, you know, because of

01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:58.020
some of these urban areas that have storm sewers that go right into the creek, which were making

01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:04.180
some efforts to address that as part of this project. So we had, there are various groups that do

01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:10.500
monitoring and assessments out there. One of them is the State or the University Sea Grant Institute.

01:13:11.220 --> 01:13:19.540
Dr. Titus Sealheimer with Sea Grant is part of the monitoring crew. He was out there last week on

01:13:19.540 --> 01:13:26.580
July 27th. And they started their sampling in the morning before it rained. And you can see a

01:13:26.580 --> 01:13:32.020
picture on the left there. They're doing some sampling at the outlet of Valley Creek to Lake

01:13:32.020 --> 01:13:37.940
Michigan. Then, you know, I think midday it rained. I looked at some rain gauge totals, you know,

01:13:37.940 --> 01:13:44.340
it's somewhat variable, but the rain gauges I saw we got, you know, a little over an inch to an

01:13:44.340 --> 01:13:49.380
inch and a half of rain, I think on average, you know, so a good rain, you know, nothing like 100

01:13:49.380 --> 01:13:54.740
year storm or anything like that, like some of the events that Rob showed pictures of. And you can

01:13:54.740 --> 01:13:59.060
see, you know, the water, you know, came up pretty quickly. And that's the influence of that urban

01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:07.140
hydrology. Just another picture. Titus didn't didn't close in exactly where this was. I think it's

01:14:07.140 --> 01:14:13.140
somewhere between Lake Drive and Hales Trails or somewhere in the Hales Trail vicinity, you know,

01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:18.660
another location where on the left there before the rain, they're in the stream to do their sampling

01:14:18.660 --> 01:14:21.460
after it rained. It, you know, came up pretty quickly.

01:14:25.380 --> 01:14:32.180
The city, you know, has a comprehensive stormwater management ordinance. And one of the things it

01:14:32.180 --> 01:14:38.900
does is it requires new land development to build facilities such as detention-based and stormwater

01:14:38.900 --> 01:14:47.540
ponds to manage the runoff. And there's some numeric requirements in there. And the way the

01:14:47.540 --> 01:14:55.860
numeric requirements read is that, you know, in hydrology, we have ways of analyzing the severity

01:14:55.860 --> 01:15:00.900
and the frequency of rain events and flood events. You know, you'll hear terms like the 10 year storm

01:15:00.900 --> 01:15:08.180
or the 10 year flood, the 100 year storm or the 100 year flood, you know, and the bigger the number,

01:15:08.180 --> 01:15:13.780
the more severe the event. You know, so the city ordinance requires a land developer to

01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:20.500
look at the 100 year flood flows from their development, you know, after development,

01:15:20.500 --> 01:15:25.620
accounting for the impervious area and the grading they'll do and so forth. And when that runoff

01:15:25.620 --> 01:15:34.900
leaves the site, that has to be reduced to what they calculate as the two year pre-development

01:15:34.900 --> 01:15:42.100
flow. You know, so looking at that land, you know, before urban development conditions

01:15:42.100 --> 01:15:50.100
and make that make that reduction. The primary reason for those numeric requirements is that,

01:15:51.460 --> 01:15:58.980
you know, modeling is not an exact or, you know, completely precise thing. And those of you that

01:15:58.980 --> 01:16:03.780
might, you know, work with scientific models or engineering models, you know, know that there's

01:16:03.780 --> 01:16:10.340
different sources of uncertainty or limitations they have. And so, you know, as engineers and

01:16:10.340 --> 01:16:15.620
scientists, we introduce factors of safety. Structural engineers have, you know, loading

01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:22.100
factors of safety. Hydraulics, we have what we call free board, you know, where we try to cite

01:16:22.100 --> 01:16:28.500
things above a flood level. We have this sort of factor of safety where we say, okay, we don't know

01:16:28.580 --> 01:16:34.420
that we can precisely calculate these things like a two year flow and a hundred year flow.

01:16:34.420 --> 01:16:39.780
So we're going to make sure there's enough of reduction that we're confident that those flood

01:16:39.780 --> 01:16:44.740
flows are not going to increase after development. So that, you know, that's the purpose of

01:16:45.460 --> 01:16:53.380
this ordinance requirement. It's not a requirement to, you know, really try to solve existing flooding

01:16:53.380 --> 01:17:00.100
problems. It's difficult to predict what the, you know, hydrologic change is going to be,

01:17:01.140 --> 01:17:07.460
you know, a ways down in the watershed where, you know, confident that, you know, as designed,

01:17:08.580 --> 01:17:13.860
this is going to, you know, not increase peak flood flows that land development. It's,

01:17:13.860 --> 01:17:19.380
it's, you know, likely going to result in some, some kind of reduction. It's challenging to

01:17:19.380 --> 01:17:23.860
calculate that exactly what that is. You know, we're moving forward using

01:17:25.220 --> 01:17:32.260
some flood hydrology that was done by DNR and FEMA for the floodplain, the official floodplain

01:17:32.260 --> 01:17:40.500
mapping. You know, the, the upstream development has to follow these stormwater rules to avoid

01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:45.620
any increases to that. But, you know, the stormwater ordinance is, is not really intended to

01:17:46.180 --> 01:17:53.620
make watershed wide flood management reductions. And, you know, I could talk for hydrology about

01:17:53.620 --> 01:18:01.060
an hour, but I don't know if anyone else wants that. So, you know, happy to answer questions on that.

01:18:01.060 --> 01:18:07.620
I think Sarah has some more information on phasing and scheduling and other updates.

01:18:08.500 --> 01:18:14.900
I do have a quick question for you backing up to the most recent measures that were done.

01:18:14.900 --> 01:18:22.740
How far back do you have data sets for that? As far as like when we have 1.6 inches or 2

01:18:22.740 --> 01:18:29.700
inches of rain, how far back can you go to show the flow, the depth of how much water is running

01:18:29.700 --> 01:18:39.220
through that creek area? We don't have a lot of data on flows. You know, I know it's been what

01:18:39.220 --> 01:18:46.500
the last year or two that, that, you know, Sea Grant Institute has been making some observations.

01:18:46.500 --> 01:18:52.020
And, you know, anecdotally, or, or, you know, sort of qualitatively, we have things like the

01:18:52.020 --> 01:18:58.580
pictures that Rob showed, you know, they can provide us with a, you know, an approximation of flows

01:18:58.580 --> 01:19:07.300
and stuff like that. Rainfall data is, you know, generally available more, you know, more historical

01:19:07.300 --> 01:19:13.460
rainfall data is available. I'm just asking more in the context of how that creek

01:19:14.580 --> 01:19:22.660
can so violently shift, you know, in how it has historically opposed to, like, what it is now

01:19:22.660 --> 01:19:26.020
and then what will be in the future. So if there's no baseline, I understand. So thank you.

01:19:26.020 --> 01:19:31.060
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, urban development without stormwater management in general, you know,

01:19:31.780 --> 01:19:36.820
the kind of rule of thumb is that it, you know, can potentially increase flood flows by,

01:19:37.780 --> 01:19:43.060
you know, an order of magnitude or more. So, you know, anytime you have a situation where we've

01:19:43.060 --> 01:19:47.780
got these storm sewers that are going right into a creek without stormwater management, that

01:19:47.780 --> 01:19:52.980
has played a big part in kind of what we've seen. Okay. Rob, moving forward is that data that will

01:19:53.060 --> 01:20:02.260
be kept. Like erosion, you know, like, will that entire area be mapped so that there's, there's

01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:13.300
base? Okay. Yeah. So as part of the grant, we need to, we do need to track quantitative data,

01:20:13.300 --> 01:20:21.060
but I'm going to let Aaron or Sarah talk more about some of the reporting that is required to

01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:27.860
show that the the creek work that we're doing is having, you know, the desired effects.

01:20:29.140 --> 01:20:36.260
Yeah. The the dollars that have been applied for from grant granting agencies funding

01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:46.660
require metrics to be reported long term. So we have a pretty comprehensive spreadsheet of metrics

01:20:46.660 --> 01:20:54.340
that will be tracked pre and post construction to monitor the changes over time. Does that help?

01:20:54.340 --> 01:20:58.340
And we can share that with the city. If you're interested, it went in with an IFWIF application

01:20:58.980 --> 01:21:02.980
that was submitted last month. Yeah. And I guess what I'm looking for is,

01:21:02.980 --> 01:21:07.220
I don't know the depth of like, if there will be a 3D model that will be run from the headwaters

01:21:07.220 --> 01:21:12.340
all the way down so that over time in different eras, we can measure that. One of the accountability

01:21:12.340 --> 01:21:17.860
pieces that we want to hold the northern development to is, you know, leave it better than you found

01:21:17.860 --> 01:21:23.860
it in the retention water or the the land easement that with the conversation con for con.

01:21:25.060 --> 01:21:28.100
I just lost the word conservation. Yeah. Thank you. Conservation easement,

01:21:28.100 --> 01:21:32.900
we asked them or made them put on the 120 acres up there just to see that and then all the money

01:21:32.900 --> 01:21:38.580
we're spending here to ensure that we're not back 10 years from now talking about like, well,

01:21:38.580 --> 01:21:42.660
they shouldn't have done this like we did in the past. So thank you for letting me know that.

01:21:42.660 --> 01:21:46.260
Yeah, absolutely. In addition, the the FEMA flood maps will be updated

01:21:46.980 --> 01:21:53.780
pre to compare pre and post construction. So that'll be a nice baseline to have on a map as well.

01:21:55.140 --> 01:21:58.980
I'm also considering thinking of the homeowners who live in that area and then along that creek

01:21:58.980 --> 01:22:02.980
who's insurance now have gone up because of the new mapping and etc. So if we can create

01:22:02.980 --> 01:22:06.820
historical documents for them and reduce their costs over time, that'd be important. So thank you.

01:22:08.820 --> 01:22:17.700
Yeah. Okay. So my understanding is that a hundred year flood doesn't mean that it only happens

01:22:17.700 --> 01:22:23.460
once every hundred years. It means that any given year you have a one in 100 chance of having

01:22:23.460 --> 01:22:32.020
that flood and same thing with a one in 500 for the 500 year flood and every year it's the same

01:22:32.020 --> 01:22:38.100
regardless of what happened last year or the year before. So explain to me how this two year

01:22:38.100 --> 01:22:45.860
pre development flow. How is that calculated? What data are you getting for that?

01:22:47.700 --> 01:22:57.540
Yeah, it's it's based on rainfall in in stormwater management design.

01:22:58.340 --> 01:23:07.220
The the systems are modeled and designed for certain rainfall. So there's there's statistics about

01:23:07.780 --> 01:23:17.140
you know what a hundred year rainfall is of a there's durations of factor into it too and

01:23:17.140 --> 01:23:22.420
there's statistics on you know what a two year rainfall is and a 10 year and stuff like that.

01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:31.380
Those are also periodically updated you know so the the rainfalls that you know the developers

01:23:31.380 --> 01:23:36.020
and the city years they're using now for projects are different than they were 15 years ago.

01:23:36.740 --> 01:23:41.860
You know in a lot of cases those depths have gone up a little bit. So yeah there's

01:23:43.460 --> 01:23:51.060
you know in stormwater modeling it's pretty rare to have you know lots of data for calibration

01:23:52.020 --> 01:23:57.700
you know in others of water like if you live on a a big river like the Milwaukee River

01:23:57.700 --> 01:24:04.100
the USGS has been running stream gauges for 50 or 100 years. You know a lot of like individual

01:24:04.100 --> 01:24:10.820
sites or you know really small drainage areas you know there's just not necessarily the monitoring

01:24:10.820 --> 01:24:17.940
data that's out there. So a lot of it is based on what we know about rainfall you know updates

01:24:17.940 --> 01:24:23.860
to rainfall data and then models about how runoff is generated from that rainfall and

01:24:23.860 --> 01:24:28.100
stuff like that. So we have that information and we do not have that we're making assumptions

01:24:28.100 --> 01:24:33.620
or we have actual data. We have we have design rainfall information

01:24:35.940 --> 01:24:42.820
we for individual sites you know for for like designing stormwater systems there's no

01:24:43.780 --> 01:24:51.940
monitored stormwater data it's it's computer models and and you know using you know the best

01:24:51.940 --> 01:24:59.220
available data sort of you know these models are are based on observations and you know other

01:24:59.220 --> 01:25:03.380
areas like you know other areas of the state or in the country where they have done some

01:25:03.380 --> 01:25:08.020
monitoring of stormwater flow but you know there's there's thousands of developments that happen

01:25:08.020 --> 01:25:13.060
even in Wisconsin every year so you know yeah yeah not everyone is monitoring so yep.

01:25:15.460 --> 01:25:20.820
Mary Lou I appreciate your questions because I mean global warming is real we're a harbor

01:25:20.820 --> 01:25:24.900
community we're going to see everything rise we're going to continue to see these historic

01:25:25.860 --> 01:25:29.780
floods more and more I mean they're not 100 I mean like you pointed out one in 100 but

01:25:30.900 --> 01:25:35.220
we've been winning the lottery for flooding in that valley for too long so this is this is

01:25:35.220 --> 01:25:47.380
excellent work okay shall we move on to phasing budgets dollars okay here you can see the

01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:52.740
that the valley creek construction project was designed all as one project but we're

01:25:52.740 --> 01:25:57.700
broken we've broken it up into three separate phases there are multiple reasons for this

01:25:59.140 --> 01:26:04.660
one it's uh we wanted to break it up from a budgeting standpoint so that that's a little

01:26:04.660 --> 01:26:10.180
bit of a lighter load when we go and ask for grant funds um and then any city contributions

01:26:10.180 --> 01:26:18.260
along the way uh the second reason is because of natural resources construction windows this is

01:26:18.260 --> 01:26:24.580
a tributary to lake michigan and any fish that are spawning uh from lake michigan are active for

01:26:24.580 --> 01:26:30.260
most you know most of the year we have an exclusion so we need to limit our construction from the

01:26:30.340 --> 01:26:38.820
mouth of the project up to the first fish barrier uh to dune 15th to september 15th we only have

01:26:38.820 --> 01:26:45.940
three months to work within that zone so that's another reason why we break why we are breaking

01:26:45.940 --> 01:26:52.180
it up so you can see uh and I guess the third reason that it's phased this way from upstream to

01:26:52.180 --> 01:26:59.220
downstream is because typically stream engineers prefer to work from upstream to downstream

01:27:00.020 --> 01:27:07.300
from an erosion control perspective for stream flow bypass reasons there are multiple reasons

01:27:07.300 --> 01:27:11.540
why we do this so that's why we're recommending these three phases it's the first phase

01:27:12.820 --> 01:27:18.740
for which we've applied for funding that could be approved as early as 2027 is from bircuit

01:27:18.740 --> 01:27:24.100
to downstream of hails trail that would allow us to replace both bridges not at the same time

01:27:24.100 --> 01:27:30.260
of course because of traffic flows um and then all of the stream corridor upstream of that

01:27:30.820 --> 01:27:37.860
phase 2a is downstream of hails trail to upstream of lake street and then the third phase would

01:27:37.860 --> 01:27:44.420
or to to be is upstream of lake street to lake michigan there's a chance that both phase twos

01:27:44.420 --> 01:27:51.540
could get constructed during the same period all will depend on funding sources and constructability

01:27:51.620 --> 01:27:57.060
there are still some unknowns with phase 2b because of utility corridors but we're working

01:27:57.060 --> 01:28:03.380
with various engineering firms to confirm the all of the variables with respect to utility

01:28:03.380 --> 01:28:09.620
upgrades in the next couple of years so that we can finalize designs and decisions in those areas

01:28:11.620 --> 01:28:17.300
so the for phase one we have a little bit more detailed gantt chart laid out here

01:28:18.020 --> 01:28:23.700
this was submitted with the most recent niff with grant application so if all goes well we could

01:28:23.700 --> 01:28:30.420
start some project kickoff um the bidding and some of the clearing in q1 and q2 of 2027

01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:36.740
and then move forward toward construction in q3 which is you know when we would

01:28:37.620 --> 01:28:43.940
begin outside of the the exclusion windows for fish there's a more limited window for those

01:28:43.940 --> 01:28:48.340
this portion of the stream that's downstream of hails trail which we which is our first

01:28:48.340 --> 01:28:53.700
fish barrier technically but all inland streams in wisconsin can only be worked in

01:28:53.700 --> 01:28:59.780
from march 15th to september 15th so we're still limited there um so that's why you see the

01:28:59.780 --> 01:29:07.300
construction major construction uh window between q3 and q1 and then we would work toward

01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:12.740
revetation and restoration uh really throughout the entire project to make sure that the stream

01:29:12.740 --> 01:29:19.620
banks stay stabilized and uh following that would be education and outreach and post-construction

01:29:19.620 --> 01:29:26.740
monitoring um and the subsequent phases would look a lot like this they would just be phased out

01:29:26.740 --> 01:29:34.740
differently uh we haven't broken the the future phases up quite yet so construction budgets we

01:29:35.380 --> 01:29:40.100
i don't won't go into the details at this point i think everyone on the council has a detailed

01:29:40.180 --> 01:29:46.740
copy of this for the nitty gritty pieces here but uh for phase one we're looking at a total

01:29:46.740 --> 01:29:54.420
cost of about seven million five hundred and seventy five um thousand dollars for this first

01:29:54.420 --> 01:30:01.220
phase for phase two a we are looking at a really similar amount dollar amount

01:30:02.420 --> 01:30:08.260
right around seventy four or seven million four hundred thousand um you'll notice that there is

01:30:08.260 --> 01:30:14.340
one line item that's highlighted here and that's for gunther pond uh we're still working with

01:30:14.340 --> 01:30:22.980
engineers who um are finalizing the alignment of the sewer through that area we are hoping to

01:30:22.980 --> 01:30:29.380
avoid any intersection of our project with the the new interceptor so waiting on that alignment

01:30:29.380 --> 01:30:36.740
and that's why this is a question mark dollar amount for now and then phase two b would be the

01:30:36.820 --> 01:30:42.100
daylighting of lake street and rebuilding of the lake street bridge and a pedestrian bridge at the

01:30:42.100 --> 01:30:50.820
mouth of of the creek and the totals here come in at about two and a half million um with a grand

01:30:50.820 --> 01:30:56.820
total of seventeen and a half million dollars uh and i also want to note that there is a

01:30:56.820 --> 01:31:04.180
twenty percent contingency added to this total cost um kind of as a safeguard as we plan ahead

01:31:07.620 --> 01:31:14.660
so here we uh rub covered a lot of the design funds that were that were required for the

01:31:14.660 --> 01:31:20.260
project you can see here that the phase one budget that was proposed as part of our recent NIFWIF

01:31:20.260 --> 01:31:27.060
proposal includes a vantage donation to lnrp which would allocate one point eight million to the

01:31:27.060 --> 01:31:31.940
project uh the NIFWIF application that was recently submitted and we should know about in

01:31:31.940 --> 01:31:38.420
October for three point eight million a targeted runoff management grant from dnr for two hundred

01:31:38.420 --> 01:31:46.980
eighteen thousand and then if approved that did five two point one million as match for the

01:31:46.980 --> 01:31:55.940
various grants and then moving forward for phases two a and two b the remaining donation from vantage

01:31:55.940 --> 01:32:03.300
del nrp would be utilized uh there are there's an national park service recreational trails

01:32:03.300 --> 01:32:10.260
program grant um that was applied for to support the pedestrian bridge at the mouth near um

01:32:11.220 --> 01:32:18.580
veterans park a sogel application for walter street ravine i believe that has been submitted

01:32:18.580 --> 01:32:26.500
that pre or will be shortly and the NIF a second application to NIFWIF the benefit of a lot of

01:32:26.500 --> 01:32:33.620
these grant uh funds is that they can be applied for repetitively in subsequent years so this is

01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:41.860
we do intend to support an additional grant application to NIFWIF in next year to support

01:32:41.860 --> 01:32:47.060
future phases and then as Rob mentioned earlier discretionary congressional allocations

01:32:47.700 --> 01:32:54.900
and remaining did five allocations uh this is a little bit separate from what we're talking about

01:32:54.900 --> 01:32:59.540
with valley creek but there's a concurrent project at upper lake park to put in by our

01:32:59.540 --> 01:33:03.940
retention basins of course this has a direct impact on the valley creek project because we

01:33:03.940 --> 01:33:11.380
are reducing stormwater inputs into the system uh there have been there's already been funds

01:33:11.380 --> 01:33:16.740
awarded for to finalize design and move into construction for these and you can see them listed

01:33:17.060 --> 01:33:25.460
up here on the screen and that I believe wraps up my presentation it does thank you

01:33:26.180 --> 01:33:29.060
any questions comments for the team

01:33:31.620 --> 01:33:37.300
so I guess all the person to pass still oh sorry um all of these funds are not confirmed yet

01:33:37.940 --> 01:33:45.060
and if you phase this in what if you get phase one done and the funding just dries up is there

01:33:45.060 --> 01:33:52.740
a detriment to downstream um is does it make it worse or would we be okay

01:33:54.980 --> 01:34:00.500
let me speak to that there's still a benefit to to constructing a portion of this project

01:34:02.340 --> 01:34:07.300
so the way the project map is designed it's not funding dependent to your point of

01:34:07.460 --> 01:34:16.260
we're just left with half of something done and done okay mr. Pointer me for the interruption

01:34:17.220 --> 01:34:21.700
um what does the recommended staff motion do for us this evening because I you know we had

01:34:21.700 --> 01:34:26.500
talked about this at GGF talked about this at public works like we're not committing future

01:34:26.500 --> 01:34:31.780
councils the city to money in the future are we by this motion we're just thanks most

01:34:32.660 --> 01:34:38.580
that's a great question so tonight we we're bringing this forward for education purposes

01:34:38.580 --> 01:34:43.940
to highlight the things that um might have been at public work some teen times but hasn't been

01:34:43.940 --> 01:34:50.820
here so that the community um everyone has the facts all in one spot um and also it is to move

01:34:50.820 --> 01:34:55.140
that we agree we want to move forward with the you know we're going to move forward with the

01:34:55.220 --> 01:35:03.620
projects we've applied for the grants and then that a train no that's a boat um that's a boat

01:35:03.620 --> 01:35:11.300
okay that's a boat sorry it's a boat um sorry um squirrel so the purpose is for us to move

01:35:11.300 --> 01:35:16.100
forward just like the cip none of those projects will move forward until they get approval

01:35:16.900 --> 01:35:22.020
so the ask tonight is that the direction of we're going to continue to move forward with this

01:35:22.020 --> 01:35:28.180
project um there is a little bit of dispute of the cost because like she said there's 20

01:35:28.180 --> 01:35:33.620
percent in there and like I think we need to dial that in and figure out what those numbers

01:35:33.620 --> 01:35:38.580
really truly are and then also figure out if we can do this in two years which I have a hard time

01:35:39.700 --> 01:35:44.820
imagining within the environment we can if we can great but this may be a three-year project

01:35:45.380 --> 01:35:52.500
so the ask is are you in general support of moving valley creek forward um and that's what

01:35:52.500 --> 01:35:58.580
was separate from the cip plan and then the mayor had asked in june for the actual rundown from

01:35:58.580 --> 01:36:03.140
this project does that make sense yes does i think it's helpful for everyone to understand the

01:36:03.140 --> 01:36:06.660
context that we're committing 20 million dollars we're not spending 20 million dollars this evening

01:36:06.660 --> 01:36:10.100
we're just wanting to move forward with the project we're securing some grants we're still

01:36:10.100 --> 01:36:14.980
waiting on future grants to come in we won't finish phase two a to b until there's money available

01:36:14.980 --> 01:36:21.540
to us um there's always a possibility of pausing if we're unreceptive to future dollars spent yeah

01:36:21.540 --> 01:36:26.580
so even so even if we're awarded the grants those come with agreements and so those agreements

01:36:26.580 --> 01:36:32.900
would come back to the council so everything is a and moving forward with construction

01:36:33.460 --> 01:36:39.220
construction contracts would come you know if if a contractor came and bid 20 million instead

01:36:39.220 --> 01:36:45.060
of 10 million obviously that you know that comes to the council so everything gets approved

01:36:46.020 --> 01:36:48.420
everything still comes back to the council but we want to

01:36:50.500 --> 01:36:55.940
yeah have that feedback from the council of a vote that indicates that this is

01:36:56.580 --> 01:37:03.140
this is the direct the direction of again implementing a sustainable valley creek is

01:37:03.140 --> 01:37:09.140
something we want to continue on and the proposed motion from staff as i move to

01:37:09.140 --> 01:37:13.700
approve the proposed phasing and cost estimates for valley creek so i appreciate that clarification

01:37:13.700 --> 01:37:20.980
mr benning yeah rob i think we were due to have 90 design completed in may is that where we're at

01:37:22.180 --> 01:37:28.980
we're we're beyond that for some phases of it we're not quite to that for other phases which i

01:37:29.060 --> 01:37:35.540
think are just the the bridges really is where we are a little bit behind on scheduling and so

01:37:35.540 --> 01:37:42.740
those are scheduled for september there should be an abogus and abogus so i guess

01:37:43.380 --> 01:37:49.780
do we expect the the dollar numbers to move i know the the gunther pan 300 000 is just a

01:37:49.780 --> 01:37:57.620
placeholder um based on what we know right now do we expect the numbers to change significantly and

01:37:57.620 --> 01:38:07.460
any portion of it no we're not no i think you put the numbers together but yes we've been talking

01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:12.260
about it at length and no they feel that they have enough information now to make

01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:19.540
good estimates of of the cost of the work okay yeah and they've been working you know as as

01:38:19.540 --> 01:38:25.860
design is progressed they've continued to refine their numbers okay and i guess the other question

01:38:25.860 --> 01:38:29.940
you know looting to what most mentions why 20 percent that seems higher than what we put

01:38:29.940 --> 01:38:40.980
in any other project for contingency oh i um i i guess it's i guess i wouldn't consider that

01:38:43.700 --> 01:38:46.820
i guess i wouldn't consider that excessive for a project like this

01:38:47.300 --> 01:38:52.900
and it includes construction oversight that 20 percent includes construction oversight

01:38:52.900 --> 01:38:58.740
and management as well and so if we i think we started at eight and then and bumped it up to

01:38:58.740 --> 01:39:05.140
20 because we wanted to make sure that there was a a representative a city representative there to

01:39:06.500 --> 01:39:10.900
monitor and manage the construction contractor throughout the project that would that would

01:39:10.980 --> 01:39:17.540
include the cost of an owner's rep for the overall project yes and responses to RFI's along the way

01:39:17.540 --> 01:39:22.260
things like that so that is not a true like traditional contingency that's your contingency

01:39:22.260 --> 01:39:27.300
in building the budget built-in yes okay thank you for that clarification both mmm

01:39:28.340 --> 01:39:36.100
this is your gasper now with the flooding that we've had out of valley creek i think a lot of the

01:39:36.100 --> 01:39:40.580
the public really isn't aware how close a couple times we came to the flooding

01:39:40.580 --> 01:39:45.620
knocking our water treatment plant offline and you know providing clean

01:39:45.620 --> 01:39:51.580
water is probably the most important service that the city provides and that

01:39:51.580 --> 01:39:55.900
really makes this project potentially the most important thing that any of us

01:39:55.900 --> 01:40:02.060
will do in our time on the city common console. We need to be able to guarantee

01:40:02.060 --> 01:40:08.060
that flooding from the creek is not likely to be knocking our water plant

01:40:08.060 --> 01:40:13.340
offline. You know we we have a city in Wisconsin right now that is going through

01:40:13.340 --> 01:40:16.980
the problem of having a natural disaster destroy their water treatment plant

01:40:16.980 --> 01:40:25.100
and it's and anything that we can do to alleviate that type of risk I think it's

01:40:25.100 --> 01:40:30.900
behooves us to take those actions and in this case this is a problem that's

01:40:30.940 --> 01:40:35.900
been mounting for years just because of development practices and how you know

01:40:35.900 --> 01:40:42.500
for most of the area south of I-43 as it's been developed along the creek we

01:40:42.500 --> 01:40:46.780
really didn't take into account the additional runoff that is produced by

01:40:46.780 --> 01:40:52.100
an urban environment versus when that was just farm fields north of north of

01:40:52.100 --> 01:40:58.140
the creek or north of downtown. So it's it's been a lot of different things

01:40:58.140 --> 01:41:02.780
have led us to this but I think it's it's important for us to go through it

01:41:02.780 --> 01:41:07.420
and carry this project forward. It's not just benefiting people who have

01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:11.140
personal property have been damaged by flooding or have had their cars flooded

01:41:11.140 --> 01:41:16.380
out but this is vital to the community as a whole that we need this to protect

01:41:16.380 --> 01:41:25.140
our water supply. Is that a motion? Sure I moved to approve the proposed

01:41:25.140 --> 01:41:29.020
phasing and cost estimates for Valley Creek. Is there a second?

01:41:29.020 --> 01:41:33.380
Moved and seconded. Any questions or concerns on that motion? All right seeing

01:41:33.380 --> 01:41:37.740
none all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? All right the motion

01:41:37.740 --> 01:41:41.220
carries. That brings us into the next agenda item which is consideration and

01:41:41.220 --> 01:41:44.100
possible action and approval of a collateral assignment of development

01:41:44.100 --> 01:41:47.340
agreement related to development agreement previously agreed upon between

01:41:47.340 --> 01:41:50.820
the City of Port Washington and Pear Street landing LLC related to the

01:41:50.860 --> 01:41:56.540
property at 120 East Washington Street in the City of Port Washington. The issue

01:41:56.540 --> 01:42:00.060
is should the Common Council approve the collateral assignment of development

01:42:00.060 --> 01:42:03.620
agreement and the staff recommends the city attorney the city attorney

01:42:03.620 --> 01:42:06.500
recommends Council approve the collateral assignment of development

01:42:06.500 --> 01:42:13.380
agreement. Mr. Nugent. Thank you. This is a fairly straightforward assignment

01:42:13.380 --> 01:42:17.620
here. You'll recall that the Council approve the development agreement for

01:42:17.620 --> 01:42:22.420
the Pear Street landing in March. What this document is and this is at their

01:42:22.420 --> 01:42:28.060
request is essentially in order to secure their loan. The bank needs this

01:42:28.060 --> 01:42:31.300
collateral assignment that essentially gives them the authority to take over

01:42:31.300 --> 01:42:35.620
the project if there's a default on the loan. I guess is that ultimately the bank

01:42:35.620 --> 01:42:39.380
wouldn't actually take on the project and would probably assign it to someone

01:42:39.380 --> 01:42:43.740
else and as part of the developing agreement this Common Council has to

01:42:43.740 --> 01:42:48.860
approve any assignment that takes place. So this assignment has to come to

01:42:48.860 --> 01:42:53.700
Common Council for approval. If for some reason the bank were to take over the

01:42:53.700 --> 01:42:57.060
obligations and want to assign it further this would have to come back for the

01:42:57.060 --> 01:43:00.980
Common Council again in order to approve that assignment as well. We have done

01:43:00.980 --> 01:43:06.180
similar things in similar developments in the past and I'm happy to answer any

01:43:06.180 --> 01:43:12.980
questions. Any questions comments or concerns? All in person possible? No

01:43:12.980 --> 01:43:16.980
questions. I'll move to approve the collateral assignment. Is there a second?

01:43:16.980 --> 01:43:20.480
Second. Second by Alderman Benning. Any questions or concerns on the motion?

01:43:20.480 --> 01:43:25.220
All right. Seeing none. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?

01:43:25.220 --> 01:43:30.340
All right the motion carries. Mary Lou did I miss you? Did I see your red

01:43:30.340 --> 01:43:33.140
blink blink over there? All right. Well that brings us to the next agenda item

01:43:33.140 --> 01:43:38.220
and convene into closed session. Per Wisconsin State Statutes 19.851E for

01:43:38.220 --> 01:43:40.780
the purpose of deliberating or negotiating the purchase of public

01:43:40.780 --> 01:43:44.500
properties. The investing of public funds are conducting other specified

01:43:44.500 --> 01:43:48.100
public business. Whenever competitive or bargaining reasons require a closed

01:43:48.100 --> 01:43:51.980
session to it discuss and formulate negotiating strategies regarding the

01:43:51.980 --> 01:43:55.500
potential development and developers agreement at 104 West Washington

01:43:55.500 --> 01:44:00.100
Street and 365 North Wisconsin Street in the city of Port Wash and Ozaki County.

01:44:00.100 --> 01:44:09.340
Wisconsin tax ID number 16-098-10-01-0.001. Is there someone willing to make

01:44:09.340 --> 01:44:13.740
that motion? There's a motion and a second. Any questions or concerns on that

01:44:13.740 --> 01:44:19.780
motion? This calls for a voice vote. District one. District two. District three.

01:44:19.780 --> 01:44:26.660
District four. District five. District six. District seven. The motion carries. We are

01:44:26.660 --> 01:44:30.500
now in closed session. Please clear the chambers. Dispel good luck in your

01:44:30.500 --> 01:44:32.860
election.